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B
A
D
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I'm
senior
vice
president
for
family
focus,
if
you
could
repeat
your
name,
katarina
of
our
Varro
senior
vice
president
for
family
focus
and
Bridget
O'keefe,
who
is
our
attorney,
was
not
able
to
attend
today,
which
is
why
she
had
requested
the
continuance
and
unfortunately,
Mary
X
who's,
our
executive
director
and
president
has
the
flu.
So
that
leaves
me
here
and
I'm.
Just
here
to
you
know,
represent
us.
Okay
before.
E
A
F
G
My
name
is
Michael
Finnegan
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
Beth
Emmitt.
As
you
know,
we
were
here
five
weeks
ago
and
we
had
almost
gotten
to
the
last
stage
of
the
zoning
process
when
the
Zoning
Board
came
up
with
another
proposal
to
subdivide
the
lot,
which
is
actually
even
cleaner
and
had
less
variances
and
wouldn't
require
a
curb
cut
or
a
parking
pad
or
driveway.
So
instead
of.
G
G
A
H
Madam
chair
members,
the
Commission
members
of
public,
the
the
change
essentially
since
the
last
time,
was
to
reconfigure
the
the
proposed
subdivision
a
lot
so
that
it
narrowed
the
the
frontage
on
Asbury
Avenue
and
then
connects
a
lot
all
the
way
back
to
the
alley,
as
you
can
see
here.
So
what
that
does.
Is
it
eliminates
the
need
for
a
new
curb
cut
off
of
Asbury
Avenue,
which
likely
would
have
removed
a
mature
tree?
That's
existing.
There
eliminates
the
need
to
create
that
curb
cut
an
additional
driveway
and
additional
parking
pad
or
garage
there.
H
So
it's
going
to
limit
the
impervious
coverage
slightly
and
then
does
have
connect
all
the
way
back
to
the
alley
so
that
the
existing
garage
that's
already
there
can
be
used
reused
for
this
property
and
in
general,
I
think,
is
as
the
applicant
and
the
Commission's
aware.
This
is
Aniston's
landmark
property,
so
it
does
have
the
benefit
of
preserving
that
property,
and
the
congregation
has
the
intent
to
then
market
the
property
for
a
for
use
as
a
single-family
residence.
Okay,.
A
Okay
with
that
is
the
Commission's
review
on
this
is
advisory
to
the
City
Council
and
the
major
variances,
though
I
assume
that
this
will
be
somewhat
cursory
but
our
advisory
to
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals.
So
the
applicable
standards
are
the
citation
from
the
ordinance
and
then
the
zoning
variance,
as
noted
on
the
agenda.
So
if
we
can
get
a
motion
to
approve
I.
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C
K
K
K
L
K
F
A
K
I
M
O
My
name's,
my
my
name's
Chris,
when
Tom
no,
no
homeowner
so
the
project,
we
did
a
family
room
addition
in
2007
with
Steve
Knutson
as
the
architect.
The
original
plan
called
for
a
first
floor
mudroom,
which
was
subsequently
not
built
but
was
sort
of
pre
built.
Actually,
the
foundation
was
was
there
in
the
floor.
Joist
in
the
mudroom
Wars
was
actually
built
so
that
we
could
eventually
add
it,
and
so
what
I'm
proposing
is
to
build
finish,
go
back
and
complete
the
mudroom
as
originally
planned
and
proof
by
mr.
Knutson.
M
A
M
Q
Q
So
so
initially
it
was
a
little
hard
for
me
to
figure
out
what
it
was,
because
they
were
I
see
that
you
just
didn't
put
the
one
piece
on
do
you
have,
and
this
is
just
a
question:
do
you
have
to
resubmit
for
the
permit
the
whole
set
again,
because
this
is
from
2007,
so
that
are?
How
does
that
worry?.
Q
M
F
O
We
have
two
full
sets
of
plans,
so
the
original
first
set
of
plans
was
with
with
the
mudroom
in
place,
and
then
we
went
and
deleted
it
from
the
project.
So
there's
a
second
set
of
plans
that
showed
that
was
without
the
mudroom
built
out,
but
showed
that
the
foundation
had
been
had
been
poured
and
is
existing
right
now
and
the
floor.
Joists
of
that
addition,
and
were
built
in
such
a
way
that
they
could
be
easily
braced
and
just
and
just
cut
so
there's
actually
two
full
sets
of
plans
at.
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F
A
Q
A
A
F
I
A
F
S
All
right,
so
we
had
refinishing
all
the
existing
windows
on
the
front
facade
we're
removing
some
of
the
windows
on
the
side,
facades
and
so
right
now
we
are
looking
at
the
front
facade
all
the
windows
will
be
refurbished
and
that
and
restored
on
a
side
elevation.
You
see
the
dashed
window
toward
the
right.
S
That
means
will
be
removed
and
closed
off,
with
a
siding
that
would
be
identical
to
existing
siding
and
one
of
the
windows
from
from
that
group
would
be
reused
in
the
same
room,
so
the
the
window
will
be
restored
and
shifted
over,
as
you
can
see,
I'm
right
also
at
the
upper
dormer
or
gable
I
should
say
the
the
new
being
well.
Upper
windows
will
be
restored
as
well,
but
one
window
would
be
replaced
from
double
harm
to
casement,
with
a
modified
colonial
grilles
to
satisfy
egress
requirements
from
from
the
bedroom
that
we're
creating
upstairs.
S
We
can
move
to
the
next
facade.
Alright,
this
is
a
rear
facade.
Again,
all
the
windows
are
being
restored
to
windows
at
the
top
at
the
Gable
will
be
replaced
with
slightly
larger
windows
to
satisfy
egress
requirement.
Also,
they
will
be
changed
from
double
and
from
existing
double-hand
to
casement
windows,
with
the
modified
colonial
drills
to
match
the
double
handbook
right.
Yeah
Eddie
knows
the
small
Raylan
in
the
back.
It
would
be
wrought
iron
railing
to
satisfy
our
Grail
code
requirements
because
that
balcony
is
accessible
from
the
office
and
you
don't
want.
S
M
S
And
another
spot
where,
because
in
some
windows
at
the
master
bathroom,
we
are
creating
a
new
layout
for
the
master
bathroom,
so
we're
close
enough
few
windows
over
there.
Also
on
the
side
facade
both
side
facades
are
hardly
visible
from
the
street,
except
especially
toward
the
rear
of
the
house.
We
cannot
see
them
from
the
street,
so
you
feel
that
it
will
not
change
their
essence
and
look
of
the
house.
S
S
This
is
a
view
at
that
from
the
front
at
that
upper
dormer.
You
can
barely
see
it
through
the
greenery
and
because
it's
served
behind
the
eave,
we
will
be
replacing
that
window
to
closely
match
the
trim
will
match
just
to
satisfy
egress
requirements.
We
feel
that
we
need
to
put
the
casement
in
there.
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P
F
S
Q
S
Q
F
F
F
Q
Q
Q
Q
A
Are
we
ready
to
entertain
a
motion
on
this?
One
and
Scott
has
recommended
that
when
we
do
both
that
we
use
a
voice,
vote,
saying
aye
or
opposed
or
nay,
if
we're
posed
the
standards
that
have
the
standards
that
apply
for
this
one
are
alteration
and
demolition,
and
then
we
have
a
couple
of
recommendations
regarding
the
wood
windows
and
the
muntins.
A
Q
No
I
do
this.
If
I
make
a
motion
that
we
approve
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1625
Judson
and,
let's
see
how
we'll
do
alterations
one
through
ten,
first
and
I
would
recommend
a
ssin
that
we
do
the
new
windows
as
wood,
simulated,
divided
light
windows
and
I.
Guess
the
bottom
to
mimic
the
double-hung
that
the
bottom
mutton
would
be
wider.
That
Elliott.
M
Q
A
J
A
A
J
Q
I
A
V
A
E
A
U
Essentially,
we're
gonna
remove
the
existing
deck,
which
is
a
hazard
at
the
moment
and
we're
gonna,
replace
it
with
a
new
new
deck.
That'll
create
an
opportunity
for
better
visibility
from
the
house
out
to
the
backyard
they've
got
a
nice
nicely
landscaped
backyard
and,
as
such,
we're
gonna
remove
the
there's,
a
prefab
fireplace
and
a
bookcases
on
that
you're
right,
where
you're
pointing
remove
that
and
replace
that
elevation
with
some
French
doors
review
out
to
the
yard
and
to
access
the
deck
and
then
in
that
that
same
room,
which
is
all
mighty
go
back,
see.
H
U
U
U
U
M
E
F
U
U
Q
Q
Q
U
Q
M
Q
U
U
A
F
F
F
C
M
C
The
house
and
it
seems
very
odd-
to
introduce
kind
of
dividing
it
into
thirds
just
for
these
two
windows
in
one
room
on
one
wall.
When
nothing
else,
the
original
house
has
the
double
hung
where
it's
four
over
one
and
all
the
new
in
the
wood
back
wing
they're,
all
just
single
large,
open,
open,
sashes
I
think
it's
a
mistake
to
to
introduce
yet
a
third
that.
F
Also,
no
alignment-
and
you
can
see
it
on
that
elevation,
though
those
you
know
that
the
vision
in
the
thirds
doesn't
in
any
way
align.
I'm
Julie
asked
about
what
happened
at
the
bottom
of
the
window,
but
even
if
we
we
somehow
you'd
have
to
make
it
smaller
if
it's
gonna
be
above
it
and
I'm,
not
quite
sure,
if
you're
using
a
standard
size
but
then
you're,
two
horizontals
that
subdivide
it
into
thirds,
don't
seem
to
align
with
anything
either.
F
So
it's
a
combination
of
not
having
the
mullions,
which
I
think
ken
is
referencing
and
a
completely
different
window,
and
you
know
you're
introducing
that
element
and
and
I'm
gonna
segue
right
into
the
stainless
steel
railings
as
something
that's
also
I
can
understand.
Then
it's
the
hot
new
item
to
some
extent
for
a
lot
of
people,
but
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
appropriate
to
this
particular
home
or
at
least
to
the
original
design
of
this
house.
I
mean
we.
F
R
F
F
U
F
F
V
V
Did
the
windows
as
French
doors
in
order
to
keep
I,
want
to
respect
the
exterior
of
the
house?
The
exterior
the
house
is
beautiful
and
we
did
the
windows
as
French
doors
to
keep
in
in
line
with
it.
I
didn't
want
to
do
like
a
big
open
like
black.
What
you
know
black,
you
know
whether
it's
all
windows
I
wanted
to
keep
it
so
that
it
it
kept
in
line
with
the
house
and
that's
why
I
also
do
the
side
as
it
was
I
felt
like
it
kept
in
line
with
the
house.
V
More
so
I
understand
what
you're
saying
definitely
about
the
the
lining
the
lines
on
the
window
I,
they
shouldn't
be
there
and
they
won't
be
there
and
I
understand.
Also
yeah
like
it
doesn't
make
sense
that
that
we
would
have
Molly
answer.
If
that's
what
they're
called
in
the
windows,
they
should
not
be
there
and
I
also
understand
what
you're
saying
about
the
window
above
I
mean
I
like
having
the
access
light
for
inside
on
the
other
elevation
going
back.
V
Sorry,
I
also
understand
what
you're
saying
that
you
feel
like
it
keeps
off
like
you
want
to
keep
the
lines
of
the
house,
and
I
can
I
can
understand
both
those
things,
but
as
far
as
having
the
metal
railing
I,
don't
think
that
it
detracts
from
the
exterior
of
the
house.
I
feel
that
it
opens
up
the
exterior
of
the
house.
V
Really
if
you
look
at
what
the
metal
at
what
the
wood
railings
look
like
right
now,
that's
really
more
of
a
detraction
from
the
house,
because
they're
falling
apart,
the
stairs
are
half
down
and
the
metal
will
be
will
be
lighter.
Looking
so
that
you
can
see
the
house
as
as
we
wanted
as
we
want
it
to
be
seen.
My
fear
with
doing
all
wood
is
that
it's
just
gonna,
look
like
a
big
ward
thing
and
that's
not
what
I
wanted
at
all.
I
wanted
to
I
wanted
to
look
light.
V
F
F
F
To
avoid
there
yeah
I
think
the
the
the
thing
that
I'm
looking
at
when
I
look
at
that
railing
is
that
if
you
look
at
the
old
one
and
it
had
these
fairly
large
I
guess
stucco
posts,
they
seem
a
lot
more
appropriate
to
that
kind
of
home.
I
mean
we
see
a
lot
of
these,
where
we
have
porches
with
some
fairly
large
element
at
the
corners
where
stairs
begin,
where
stairs
end
where
railings
occur,
and
you
can
see
it
on
that
opening
photo
that
we
have.
F
You
know-
and
that's
that's
what's
lost
here
with
these.
You
know
they're,
not
just
the
horizontal
wires,
but
also
you
know
just
the
the
single
4x4
6x6
posts
or
whatever
is
you
know,
something
very
delicate,
which
is
really
not
what
you're
seeing
with
this
kind
of
a
stucco
home
with
you
know
what
are
almost
punched
openings.
A
Q
I
know
I
do
I,
don't
I
think
you
can
transform
the
railing,
but
I
do
think
that
those
the
stucco
posts
actually
ground
it,
and
so
I
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
some
synthesis
you
can
make.
So
you
don't
have
these
little
wood
posts
with,
because
it
is
part
of
it's
sort
of
like
a
wall.
That's
pierced.
You
know
with
this
with
the
whatever
the
wood
railing
is
infill,
but
so
I
would
agree
with
Eliot
on
that
that
those
seem
to
be
features
that
it
would
be
a
shame
to
to
lose.
I
could.
C
U
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C
A
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M
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C
C
J
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C
M
C
J
P
M
A
E
G
A
W
We'll
start
with
the
plans,
or
we
could
go
around
the
photos
and
get
a
general
overview
and
come
back.
Let's
share
that.
There's
the
rear
of
the
house
as
it
exists
now
I'm
proposing
to
do
two
separate
dormers
on
either
side
of
the
central
green
door
in
the
rear
and
then
add
a
new
mudroom
onto
the
back
below.
W
P
W
W
In
order
to
get
the
appropriate
square
footage
for
a
couple
of
the
bedrooms
at
the
rear,
I
needed
to
overhang
the
masonry
bearing
wall
at
the
rear
of
the
house
about
three
feet
and
I'm,
proposing
to
use
some
steel
brackets
at
the
rear
of
the
house,
four
of
them
to
each
each
dormer
and
those
brackets
will
match
the
existing
rafter
ties
at
the
house.
Currently.
W
Yeah
yeah
the
first
floor.
It's
just
a
small
small
mudroom
addition
I'm
working
with
the
window
above
which
it
happens
to
be
at
the
landing
of
switchback
stair.
That
goes
up
to
the
second
floor,
so
trying
to
maintain
that
window
at
the
landing
and
do
it
just
a
small
room
below.
Currently
we
don't
have
we
just
walk
into
the
stairway.
So
it's
a
pretty
bad
situation
with
two
kids,
the
idea
being
that
we
just
pulled
that
out
a
little
bit
and
there's
you
know
bench
and
closet
in.
I
W
Currently,
it's
asphalt
shingles
on
the
side
of
the
existing
dormer.
The
plan
is
to
take
those
off,
obviously
they're,
not
original
and
replace
it
with
the
cement
shingle
that
will
be.
You
know,
color
match
to
the
new
asphalt
shingle
at
the
roof,
so
the
color
of
the
roof
and
the
dormer
walls
will
be
just
you.
I
W
W
I
F
W
F
Q
So
so
I
think
that
these
dormers,
like
just
engulf
the
house
and
they
destroy
this,
really
simple
character
of
this
gable
house
with
a
front
dormer
and
the
front
dormer.
Also
the
way
it's
treated.
The
windows
come
all
the
way
down
to
what
is
an
apron
and
your
dormers
are
so
different
in
character
and
they're,
so
large
and
they're
overhanging,
and
then
the
sort
of
scale
of
that
is,
you
know
it's.
Q
It
just
does
not
seem
in
keeping
with
this
sort
of
simple
house
and
I
guess
if
there
was
a
way
for
you
doing
and
I
understand,
you're
trying
to
expand
the
second
floor,
but
the
scale
of
those
dormers
on
the
back
with
this
mudroom
piece,
which
is
just
like
this
miniature
it
it's
it's
I
think
for
me.
It's
just
a
problem
of
the
scale
of
these
pieces.
I.
A
W
Really,
no
valley,
first
of
all,
from
a
construction
standpoint,
the
the
way
that
the
house
is
built
quite
odd,
the
rafters
I
sort
of
need
it
to
toe
hold
the
house
together.
That
helps
to
let
that
center
area
I
don't
need
a
two-story
stairwell
on
the
house.
That's
the
sort
of
a
ways
to
do
that
and
if
we
go
to
the
floor
plan,
I
can
kind
of
show
you
how
the
houses
was
originally
conceived.
W
W
Okay,
so
this
little
closet
here,
if
I,
do
extend
it.
This
is
the
edge
of
the
brick
wall,
the
existing
brick
wall
of
the
house.
That
bedroom
still
is
about
nine
by
11
smaller
than
that
actually
about
eight
when
I
the
thickness
of
the
walls
get
in
there.
It's
about
eight
by
ten,
which
is
a
barely
a
bedroom
and
that's
without
a
closet.
F
F
W
W
F
F
C
W
F
M
I
W
F
W
It
to
be
consistent
with
a
lot
of
homes
and
ovens,
stand
that
do
have
overhanging
rooms
off
the
back
of
the
house
that
are
cantilever
it
out.
I
mean
I've
lived
in
the
neighborhood.
You
know
ten
years
now
and
I've
walked
those
streets
a
lot
of
times
and
I
could
tell
you
house
to
house
to
house.
You
know
I'm
always
looking
at
this
kind
of
stuff.
I
F
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
examples
because
I
can
think
of
the
cantilevers,
but
they're,
usually,
homes
that
are
sort
of
squared
off
I
mean
we
even
saw
that
one
with
the
mudroom
that
came
in
earlier
today
had
a
slight
cantilever,
but
that
just
came
out
as
this
is
overhanging
as
part
of
the
roof
and
I.
Think
it's
the
it's.
The
loss
of
the
roof,
which
I
think
Ken
was
pointing.
A
I
guess
in
listening
to
everyone,
is
this
something
that
we
want
to
look
at
again?
Is
it
do
we
want
to
undertake
a
motion?
How
do
we
want
to
proceed
on
this?
One
yeah.
I
I'd
be
in
favor
of
I'm,
giving
the
applicant
a
chance
to
consider
the
issues
and
come
back.
I
mean
I.
We
we
usually
try
to
give
people
really
specific
guidance
to
be
helpful,
so
the
that
you
know
to
make
it
easy
as
they
come
back
and
everybody.
You
know,
you've
heard
people
have
ideas,
but
I
think
this
one
is
really
challenging
and
I
think
it's
probably
a
bad
idea
given
that
for
us
to
just
tell
you
what
to
do.
I
mean
I.
Think.
A
From
my
perspective,
is
you
know,
is
there
another
way
to
look
at
the
problem?
We
recognize
what
you're
trying
to
do
and
what
you're
trying
to
accomplish,
but
I
think
that
this
is.
You
know,
as
Mark
said
and
as
other
folks
had
said,
this
is
one
that
I
would
like
to
see
again
because
I
just
don't
feel
comfortable
with
where
it
is
right
now
and
I
think
I'm,
echoing
what
everybody
else
has
said
as
well.
So
would
you
be
willing
to
come
back
next
month?
Are
you
available
I
would.
W
I,
just
honored,
to
be
quite
honest,
I've
been
through
a
lot
of
different
schemes
mm-hmm.
Initially
we
started
out
and
just
got
seen
this
scheme
before
and
it's
a
tricky.
It's
a
tricky
spot,
so
I
either
utilize.
These
two
areas
in
the
dormer
or
I,
extend
and
just
below
the
back
part
of
the
house
Oh,
which
I'm
trying
not
to
do
because.
W
We
run
into
a
lot
of
issues,
lot
coverage,
pervious
surface
everything
else,
so
I'm
trying
to
keep
it
mm-hmm.
You
know
it's
tight
to
the
house
as
I
can
and
there's
really
not
a
lot
of
options
left.
You
know,
I
need
that
square
footage
size
to
put
a
button.
I
need
a
closet
right.
I
need
these
sort
of
basic
functions.
So
if
I
can't
get
that
extra
square
footage,
you
know
then
there's
ya.
A
Q
So
have
you
looked
at
I,
don't
know
the
zoning
on
this,
but
if
you
did
just
extend
the
back
of
the
house
because
I
think
it's
not
just
those
dormers,
but
it's
also
the
relationship
to
that
little
mudroom
and
you
know
you're,
it's
just
not
coming
together,
so
art
do
you
then
have
a
I'm
just
asking
that
you
then
have
a
problem
with
your
zoning
yeah.
W
A
X
M
A
M
A
That
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
and
I,
if
anyone
else
has
something
different
to
say,
is
to
give
you
the
opportunity
to
rethink
this
and
come
back
next
month.
We
can
table
this
and
and.
W
F
One
of
the
things
that
was
indicated
and
I
think
it
was
was
a
mark
indicated.
You
know
you
you.
You
said
that
you
thought
that
there
was
precedent
if
I
can
use
that
term,
sure
for
it
for
this
type
of
a
configuration
and-
and
it
seems
as
if
none
of
us
are
aware
of
of
those
examples
and
a
lot
of
it
would
really
help
the
combination
of
seeing
those
for
no
other
reason
to
say
that
you
know
there
is
some
some
way
of
dealing
with
this
issue.
F
A
I
think
and
I
think
in
examining
you
know
those
other
options
that
are
out.
There
are
other
examples
that
you
were
talking
about.
There
may
be
some
potential
solutions
there
that
none
of
us-
or
you
have
thought
about
so
I-
think
that
you
know,
based
on
whatever
been
saying
at
this
point.
I
think
we'd
like
to
table
this
and
have
you
come
back
next
month
and
we'll
take
a
look
at
it
again.
Okay,.
W
I
R
R
M
R
You
go
okay,
so
the
majority
of
this
project
is
excuse
me,
I'm,
not
very
experienced
with
microphones
is
inside,
where
we're
renovating
the
sanctuary
and
the
crown
room,
which
is
an
event
space
in
there
and
as
well
as
the
lobby,
and
in
doing
so,
we
want
to
make
a
couple
of
changes
to
the
exterior
of
the
property.
These
are
the
existing
doors
that
this
area
you're,
seeing
the
new
plan
and
the
old
plan.
R
R
So
when
it
rains
the
the
water
runs
inside
and
the
doors
are
really
just
being
held
together
by
a
couple
of
stainless
steel
plates,
they've
added,
so
we're
proposing
to
replace
these
doors
in
kind
and
then
to
demolish
the
concrete
and
the
ramp
and
the
stair
and
install
them
in
a
configuration
that
that
is
accessible
and
also
there's
a
aesthetic
improvement
to
the
property.
Maybe
if
you
could
go
to
the
to
the
next
page.
R
R
These
are
the
existing
doors
that
are
severely
water
damaged
and
we're
going
to
just
fabricate
new
doors
and
attempt
to
reuse
the
existing
hollow
metal
frame
and
repair
it
within
installed
doors
that
look
just
like
these.
They,
these
plates
were
not
original.
They
were
just
installed
because
the
wood
was
starting
to
deteriorate.
R
So
on
on
the
East
elevation,
these
are
two
existing
doors.
They
are
used
to
provide
an
exit
from
both
the
sanctuary
and
the
event
space
that
I
mentioned,
there's
no
during
their
High
Holidays.
These
every
exit
to
the
spaces
are
used
and
there's
a
number
of
older
congregants
and
there's
no
accessible
egress
from
the
east
side
of
the
facility.
So
we
are
proposing
to
add
a
ramp
from
this
door
and
create
a
new
platform
that
connects
the
two
doors
and
then
the
ramp
continues
over
to
an
existing
sidewalk
on
that
side
of
the
property.
R
M
R
R
R
You
you
had
it
if
you
could
just
zoom
out.
Q
C
B
My
name
is
javi
Laurie,
with
cattle
camp
and
Cal
Camp,
where
the
landscape
architect
working
on
the
project.
We've
been
working
with
Beth
Emmett
for
several
years
and
we
were
involved
in
the
new
signage
at
the
northeast
corner.
So
we
understand
kind
of
the
look
that
the
building's
trying
to
achieve
go
into
Julie's
question
about
the
the
material.
We
know
that
the
building
has
got
sort
of
sandblasted
limestone
and
also
the
limestone
facade.
B
B
So
it's
here
we're
trying
to
draw
the
the
ramp
out
towards
the
sidewalk
and
when
using
the
topography
of
Dempster
here,
so
that
the
ramp
doesn't
have
to
zigzag
back
and
forward
or
be
extra
along
we're
taking
up
the
hill
and
using
the
sidewalk
elevations
to
kind
of
mix
around
for
short,
as
well
as
we
can,
but
still
makes
around,
welcoming
his
non-absorbent
entry.
That's
off
the
back!
B
So
making
the
walls
quite
a
strong
feature,
and
then
they'll
planting
itself
would
be
this
bald
texture
of
the
ornamental
grasses
that
were
planted
successfully
on
the
corner
now
continuing
that
down.
So
that
we're
maintaining
just
as
strong
swathe
of
landscape
that
the
walls
kind
of
act
as
us
or
the
backdrop
to
so
the
would
have
the
grasses
taken
somewhat
of
the
mass
of
the
walls
up,
and
we
just
have
this
over
the
tops
of
them.
Peeking
out
and
the
walls
offer
a
chance
for
spar
so
of
seating
as
well.
B
F
B
Another
item
is
Carlos.
If
you
go
to
one
of
the
existing
pictures,
I
think
it'll
be
up
before
this
before
this
beginning,
another
one
there
that
the
real
there's
existing
railings,
you
know,
which
are
got
really
nice
architectural
feature,
they're,
not
just
sound
rails
with
a
post
they've
got
some
nice
mounting.
Details
would
like
to
salvage
these
as
much
as
possible
or
replicate
them
for
the
stairway
handrails
and
the
ramp
and
rails
the
nice
of
mid-century
quality
to
them.
That
seems
to
be,
it
looks
cool
with
the
building.
A
F
When
I
saw
that
I
understood
the
idea,
I've
been
in
the
space,
so
I
can
understand
the
idea.
I
couldn't
tell
exactly
what's
going
on
and
planned
you're
adding
some
funny
little
room
in
the
corner.
That's
unlabeled!
So
I
don't
know
what
that
is,
but
and
it's
it
avoids
that,
but
those
windows
are
really
very
different
than
the
character
of
the
other
windows.
On
this
on
the
sanctuary.
F
I'm,
not
talking
about
the
school
edition
which
is
on
the
west,
which
clearly
has
rectangular
windows,
you
can
see
it
on
those
other
elevations,
but
all
of
these
other
windows
either
came
all
the
way
up
to
the
underside
of
the
roof
or
in
some
way
you
know,
let's
say
respected
the
roof
lines,
and
these
seem
to
be
punched
openings
from
something
else
and
and
I'm
just
curious
about.
You
know
that
that
decision
I
think.
F
Here
we
are
ok,
this
is
this
is
what
I'm
trying
to
say.
You
know
I,
look
at
the
windows
to
the
to
the
left
of
there
and
you
can
see
it
on
other
windows
on
this
building
and
all
of
them
end
up
somewhere
under
a
sloped
roof
and
died
into
the
bottom
of
the
sloped
roof,
and-
and
these
just
look
like
they
just
were
dropped
on
this
building
and
I'm
really
bothered
by
this
I
couldn't
even
tell
if
they
lined
up
at
the
bottom
and
I
suspect
they
do.
They.
R
Do
all
right,
we
didn't
extend
them
to
the
roofline,
because
the
ceiling
inside
the
sanctuary
were
bringing
the
edge
of
it
down
like
a
fold
that
played
a
little
bit
and
that
would
Goose
go.
It
would
be
extending
above
the
ceiling
at
that
point,
but
they're
also
that
they're
scale
is
somewhat
dictated
by
concerns
over
the
the
CMU.
All
that
we
would
have
to
cut
them
into
and
not
not
being
certain
of
what
size.
Openings
I
think
that
if
we'd
be
willing
to
probably
do
without
these
windows,
if
everything
else
was
acceptable,.
X
I
think
the
windows
respond
well
to
the
proportions
of
the
doors
that
are
just
to
the
left
of
them,
and
I'd
like
to
point
out
actually
on
that
elevation
that
you're
looking
at
right.
There
there's
a
window
that
has
that
band
across
the
top,
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
go
right
up
to
the
roof
line.
On
the
other
side,
right,
yeah,
left
of
the
end
I.
E
X
P
M
E
F
E
F
F
R
F
A
Q
F
I
I
Think
I'm
just
gonna
say
it's
described
in
the
proposed.
That's
fine
accordance
with
applicable,
seeing
this
for
alteration
one
through
ten
is.
M
I
I
Q
T
So
the
project
of
bringing
to
that
bringing
to
you
this
evening
is
is
a
landmark
house
in
the
lakeshore
district.
We're
asking
for
a
couple
of
things
here:
one
is
the
zoning
minor
zoning
variation
that
you've
seen
as
part
of
the
packet.
We
are
asking
to
replace
two
of
three
existing
skylights
on
the
roof
of
this
house.
To
be
clear,
this
is
a
landmark
according
to
the
granny
key
survey
that
was
done
of
the
lakeshore
district
in
part
due
to
the
simplicity
and
in
remaining
character
of
the
bungalow.
However,
it
has
had
several
significant
additions.
T
They
do
it
as
you
can
see
in
this
photograph.
The
windows
were
really
this
citation
that
Vicky
granny
Keys
office
had
made.
So
we
are
not
touching
any
of
the
existing
windows.
We
are
asking
to
replace
two
of
the
windows
on
the
kitchen
side,
which
are
non
original
windows.
They
were
salvaged
from
some
rear
section
of
the
house,
probably
in
the
80s,
when
the
kitchen
was
done,
the
skylights
on
the
existing
roof
have
failed.
They
were
part
of
a
kitchen
remodeling
done
in
the
80s.
T
T
So
these
are
the
existing
openings
for
the
two
windows
we'd
like
to
remove
to
create
the
kitchen
installing
two
awning
windows
below.
If
you
look
at
the
you'll
see
in
the
in
the
later
slide,
we
are
seeking
to
replicate
using
a
Marvin
Marvin
product,
the
grill
pattern
that
is
existing
on
the
house
today.
T
We
are
abandoning
and
filling
in
this
skylight
and
replacing
these
two
in
what
is
the
existing
vaulted
kitchen,
which
will
be
remodeled
as
part
of
this
project
Carlos,
if
you
could
go
to
the
next
slide.
For
me,
this
is
the
garage
we've
proposed
in
the
rear
yard.
The
existing
garage
is
a
barely
a
1
car
garage.
It's
made
of
beadboard
that's
been
installed
vertically
and
has
since
failed
along
with
the
slab
and
the
structure.
T
We
would
like
to
rebuild
this
as
a
two-car
garage.
One
of
the
reasons
we've
asked
for
a
minor
zoning
variation
is
because
this
is
a
non-conforming
undersized
lot
for
evanston.
We
have
a
few
carls
for
you
go
back
to
the
first
page.
That
shows
the
site
plan
for
me.
Please,
oh
there's,
the
first
page.
There
we
go.
We
are
removing
a
concrete
pad
at
the
top
of
the
Bilco
stair
and,
as
part
of
our
zoning
application,
we're
removing
almost
a
hundred
square
feet
of
concrete
along
the
side.
T
Our
proposal
requested
a
rain
garden,
because
this
is
a
this
is
a
drainage
Swale
between
the
two
houses.
There
might
be
about
eight
feet
between
these
houses.
Zoning
interpreted
that
as
a
as
a
as
an
impervious
surface,
which
we
disagree
with,
so
we're
going
to
request
when
we
resubmit
this
that
it
be
grass,
we
don't
think
grass
will
will
survive
over
there,
but
we
are
attempting
to
make
that
a
pervious
surface.
The
increase
in
lot
coverage
you're
asking
for,
is
about
three
percent
over
the
existing
condition.
T
However,
the
house
is
currently
over
over
the
required
i5
I.
Think
based
on
the
lot
size.
The
garage
we're
showing
in
the
back
is
now
a
two-car
garage
it
is
within.
It
is
included
within
the
within
the
lot
coverage
we've
mentioned
in
any
existing
we're
showing
here
that,
according
to
zoning
code,
we're
in
an
undersized
lot
without
parking,
we
have
a.
We
have
a
an
allowance
of
two
hundred
square
feet
to
park.
A
car
off
site
we're
not
asking
to
put
a
parking
pad
out
there.
T
Instead
we're
asking
to
build
a
smaller
garage
that
Nets
less
than
the
less
than
the
aggregate
of
a
two-car
garage.
So
in
consideration
of
that
minors,
ending
variation,
we're
doing
everything
we
can
to
decrease
the
impact
of
this
by
our
by
our
calculation.
During
the
zoning,
we
were
actually
improving
the
impervious
surface
calculations
by
installing
the
rain
garden,
so
we're
perfectly
happy
to
work
with
sustainability
and
Zoning
to
to
achieve
a
product
that
would
that
would
be
pervious
in
that
situation.
A
T
There
just
a
little
bit
Carlos,
so
these
two
windows
yeah
our
existing
yeah,
those
were
relocated
from
somewhere
in
the
house.
They
were
this
one
was
cut
up
and
reinstalled,
and
this
was
salvaged.
We
think
from
the
rear
of
the
house.
If
you
look,
you
can
see
the
addition.
The
second-story
addition
of
this
is
all
these
are
all
living
room
replacement
windows.
So
we
think
they
salvaged
windows
during
that
phase.
T
A
A
S
A
F
T
A
it's
a
pervious
rock
filled
garden
that
has
soil
underneath
it.
The
problem
in
between
these
houses
is
the
eaves
across
the
property
line,
so
there's
no
sunlight,
so
we'd
like
to
put
something
that
would
absorb
water
there.
There
are
some
some
plant
materials
little
grow
in
darkness
and
in
rocks,
but
we'd
like
to
have
something
that
captures
the
water
as
opposed
to
running
it
back
into
the
basements.
F
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
550
Judson,
for
the
removal
of
skylights
on
the
south
and
replacement
of
I,
believe
it's
two
windows
plus
the
construction
of
a
new
two-car
garage,
and
that
would
be
under
the
applicable
standards
for
alteration
one
through
seven,
nine
and
ten.
Okay.
A
F
G
F
I
A
F
Was
that
okay?
Finally?
Well
not
finally,
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
550
Judson,
think
the
only
demolition
might
be
the
garage
on
that
garage.
We
really
consider
removing
pieces
of
wall
for
the
windows,
but
for
the
demolition
of
the
existing
garage
and
any
assorted
demolition
for
the
rest
of
the
work.
Okay,
demolition
standards
are
one
through
five.
Okay,.
A
F
M
M
F
F
J
L
So
we
are
seeking
a
minor
variance
to
allow
a
building
lot
coverage
of
33.2%.
We
are
doing.
We
were
proposing
an
addition
on
the
south
side
of
the
home,
and
that
is
a
one-story
frame.
Addition
on
the
north
are
sorry
on
the
east
side
of
the
home
were
proposing
a
two-story
frame
addition
where
we
would
be
taking
down
the
existing
sleeping,
enclosed
porch
that
exists,
because
it's
not
structurally
stable,
currently
and
proposing
a
new
two-story
addition
there
and
expanding
to
the
building
a
lot
of
coverage
there.
L
This
is
the
existing
first
floor
plan
and
this
is
the
existing
porch.
That
was
a
later
addition
and
when
we
look
at
the
exterior
photos,
you'll
be
able
to
determine
that
there's
a
masonry
structure
that
exists
here.
This
is
all
stucco,
and
that
was
a
later
addition
to
this
home
and
we're
proposing
to
add
on
to
that
existing
home,
which
is
here
and
do
a
new
two-story
addition
and
then
a
one-story
addition
along
here.
L
You've
got
the
existing
front
elevation
here
and
we're
proposing
a
addition
to
this
side
here,
which
is
a
one-story
addition.
A
couple
of
our
clients
really
like
the
traditional
details
that
are
on
the
existing
home
and
as
well
as
in
the
neighborhood.
We
have.
These
I
have
a
picture
of
it
here.
The
masonry
columns
have
this
detailing
of
the
brick.
That's
projecting
out.
We
really
like
that
detail,
but
it
doesn't
stand
out
currently.
M
J
A
A
M
L
A
L
L
So
in
the
porch
here,
there's
this
rounded
part
and
you
can
see
on
the
plan
as
well.
Those
are
the
existing
windows
there
and
that
we're
using
as
our
precedent
to
create
a
language
throughout
the
rest
of
the
home,
because
in
the
newer
stucco
edition
that
exists,
there's
some
that
have
divided
lights
on
both
panes
and
then
you
have
these
aluminum
double
hung
windows
right
now
that
are
there,
and
so
it's
just
kind
of
we're
using
these
I
am
just
yeah
as
kind
of
the
language
and
precedent
out
there.
E
M
G
Q
V
Q
F
Q
C
Houses
of
this
era
that
I
mean
my
own
house,
has
similar
trim
that
kind
of
cuts
into
the
second-floor
windows,
but
I
think
from
the
preservation
standard
point
of
view
right.
We
don't
want
to
see
decorative
details,
be
added
that
didn't
exist
on
this
house
in
the
past,
if
they're
not
serving
some
mm-hmm
necessary
functional
purpose,
so
just
to
kind
of
decorate
it
by
adding
more
trim
swapping
out
break
for
limestone.
We
don't
want
to
really
see
all
kinds
of
changes
be
made.
C
L
So
we
wanted
to
add
on
a
sunroom
porch
to
the
side
here
where
they
could
basically
put
plants
and
use
it
as
an
extra
living
space.
But
on
the
exterior
details
here,
we
wanted
to
still
make
it
something
that
was
interesting
and
a
new
still
not
just
replicate.
What's
going
on
on
the
existing
home,
but
still
add
something
that
is
unique
and
different,
but
follow
the
characteristics
so
we're
carrying
over
the
rowlock
details
at
the
base
here.
L
But
we're
using
a
wood
trim
to
call
out
that
detail
there
and
we're
using
the
character
of
the
masonry
columns.
But
just
adding
these
little
details
here
to
mimic
this
detail
in
the
column.
And
that's
our
client
really
likes
those
details
and
wants
to
see
that
I'm
on
this
new
portion
of
the
edition
as
well
and
we're
using
the
same
style
of
the
windows
that
you
saw
a
picture
of
earlier.
L
L
Q
I,
don't
really
you
know,
I
understand
that
there's
some
resemblance
in
the
drawing
to
those
brick
piers
that
those
would
very
narrow
columns
with
the
the
decoration
at
the
top.
A
it's
not
really
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
house.
It
doesn't
really
it's.
It's
not
gonna.
Look
like
those
masonry
piers,
it's
so
I.
I
just
feel
like
it's
foreign,
like
you've
kind
of
said
like.
Oh,
you
want
to
decorate
this
thing
and
you've
taken
kind
of
some
foreign
elements
and
you've
put
them
together
and
I
just
I.
M
A
M
F
And
I
realize
you're
trying
to
keep
the
proportion
of
the
windows
that
I
see
on
the
second
floor,
and
you
wonder
whether
and
I
realize
you
know
if
you
didn't
have
that
upper
transom,
that
you
actually
could
have
been
large
the
windows
and
he
had
the
same
proportion
without
the
extra
window.
And,
alternatively,
whether
you
widen
those
pilasters,
if
I
can
call
them
that
between
the
windows
and
then
you'd
be
able
to
do
it
with
two
windows
rather
than
that.
Third
one.
The
third
one
is
just
at
that
funny.
C
M
C
C
This
porch
is
to
emphasizes
to
minute
too
much
the
vertical
and
chops
it
up
into
too
many
vertical
bays,
I
think
the
the
brick
detailing
it's
very
nice,
but
again
it's
something
very
simple,
where
it's
just
sliding
a
brick
over
a
little
bit
to
give
it
a
little
bit
of
detail.
It's
not
meant
to
be
this
kind
of
elaborate
decorative
feature.
C
The
way
the
when
you
translate
it
to
wood,
what
it
turns
into
mm-hmm
and
I
think
having
the
sunroom
beaten
so
tall
relative
to
again
to
that
that
big
horizontal
division
at
the
top
of
the
first
floor
and
the
way
the
porch
roof
emphasizes
that
same
kind
of
horizontal
line.
I
think
that's
them
is
really
problematic
to
me.
Q
Q
Q
A
M
A
M
F
Interesting
and
maybe
it's
a
question
more
than
a
comment
in
looking
at
that
sheet-
that
was
floating
around
here,
which
was
the
precedence
that
worked
this
way.
You
know
what's
interesting
about
the
three
passivity
there
were
three
of
these
sort
of
rooms
attached
their
precedence,
but
none
of
them
appear
to
be
original
to
those
halls.
Those
all
appear
to
be
yeah.
F
Additions
that
someone
I'm
always
bothered
by
you
know
where
they
precedents
that
ever
went
even
through
this
process.
Where
do
they
predate
this
process
and
they're?
You
know
the
precedents
that
are
appropriate
to
your
to
where
you're
going,
but
not
necessarily
precedents
that
we
could
be
using
as
okay.
Somebody
did
it
before
and
it
was
approved
which,
to
some
extent,
is
the
argument
here.
Yeah.
A
I
guess
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
say:
Elliot
I
think
from
my
perspective,
it's
really
looking
at
this
project
in
the
relationship
with
this
particular
house,
and
you
know,
I
think
that
gets
to
some
of
the
comments
that
we
had
before,
but
invariably
they
likely
were
all
additions
that
may
or
may
not
have
gone
through
this
process.
That's.
L
Q
Here's
a
question
you're,
adding
quite
a
bit
of
house
on
to
the
site
and
tubes,
the
addition
and
the
garage
which
has
like
second
floors,
almost
12
feet
or
something
at
some
point,
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
we
all
that
we
have
to
also
address
that,
because
I
always
thought
it
was
really
hard
to
ask
for
more
lot
coverage
when
you're
adding
quite
a
bit
I.
Don't
you
know
so.
A
A
M
A
A
M
I
E
E
Roundhay,
yes,
but
what
I've
been
trying
to
do
is
to
do
the
what
they
call
action
minutes,
which
is
very
hard
when
you
have
a
case
like
12:39,
where
they
have
a
lot
of
detail
of
Hawaii.
They
wanted
to
subdivide
and
the
reasons
why
and
I
think
also
was
very
helpful
to
the
diaper
committee
to
have
that
information
and
ultimately
code
City
Council
when
they
they
approve
the
subdivision.
E
So
the
other
items
were
as
close
as
possible
to
action
minutes
I'm
still
working
on
it,
I
mean
I,
just
there's
a
gamut
of
ways
to
do
it.
I
prefer
to
be
more
factual
and
not
necessarily
the
random,
which
is
not
the
case.
But
there
are
some
comments,
for
instance
that
were
raised,
but
they
didn't
have
any
impact
on
the
motion.
I
didn't
include
those
comments.
We're
here,
I
thought.
A
I
think
you
know
I
think
you
do
raise
a
good
point
in
the
you
know,
perhaps
having
them.
You
know
with
the
packet
or
beforehand,
especially
from
your
position,
since
you
want,
since
you're,
going
to
be
reviewing
them
going
forward
if
he
can
get
them
a
little
bit
earlier
in
advance
of
the
meeting.
So
that,
because
just
because
you
know.
E
M
I
M
F
E
P
A
Q
Q
A
Q
E
Based
on
my
experience
with
projects
that
apply
for
permit
or
zoning,
very
zoning
ham,
analysis
or
preservation,
the
applicant
typically
is
the
architect
or
the
owner
or
a
contractor,
sometimes
particularly
for
zoning
variation
applications.
Excuse
me,
it
may
be
a
third
party
where
somebody
is
trying
to
buy
a
house
and
they
want
to
know
whether
or
not
they
can
put
an
addition.
In
that
case,
we
ask
the
person
to
have
a
letter
from
the
owner
that
will,
you
know,
agree
that
the
third
party
is
put
in
an
application
on
that
property.
F
Asking
because
it's
not
as
formalized
as
it
is
for
something
like
I,
want
to
be
a
nominee
I
want
to
nominate
something
for
a
district
or
I
want
to
nominate,
and
here
there's
really.
No,
you
know
it
is.
It
does
come
off
very
informally
and
I
didn't
know
whether
it
should
be
I'm
just
asking
this
because
I
didn't
know
if
it
was
discussed
or
not.
C
C
A
F
A
minor
thing
right
below
that
is
I'm
wondering
whether
application
should
be
a
should
say,
formal
submission
than
a
form.
That's
just
at
the
beginning
of
that
sentence,
a
form
under
application,
and
that
seems
I
mean
there's
more
to
it
than
a
form
I'm.
Talking
about
that.
You
know
the
definition
of
application,
yeah.
A
M
F
F
F
F
M
F
Item
14
Carlos,
if
somebody's
got
a
copy
there
yeah
well
at
the
end
of
it
all.
When
we're
talking
about
innovative
design,
it
says
innovative
new
construction
or
addition
shall
comply
with
the
standards
in
city
code,
section
two
eight
nine
beat
Richard
angel,
but
that
is
the
section
that
it's
contained
in.
So
what
are
we
actually
saying
when
we're
saying
it
can
comply
to
the
standards
that
this
thing
is
a
part
of.
A
C
C
F
F
Q
Q
T
M
A
F
F
F
I
I
A
N
A
You
know
what
what
I
would
say
is
they?
You
know
what
Elliott
brought
up,
there's
a
really
good
point,
and
if
there
are
others
that
people
have
noticed
I,
you
know
we
appreciate
the
fact
you've
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
sunny
way.
What
I
would
say
is
if
people
see
that
and
we
can
ask
Mario
to
go
through
it
again,
to
look
at
it
specifically
for
inconsistencies
that
we
found
well.
A
F
F
I
I
A
H
A
Know,
I
think
that
that's
that's
a
good
thing,
but
I
think
we'll
make
sure
that
we
work
with
Mario
to
get
those
things
taken
out
because
obviously
I
agree
with
mark
and
that
we
can't
have
those
in
there.
So
so
everybody
who's
taken
a
look
at
it.
I
know:
I
have
I've
found
a
few
things,
let's
get
it
and
get
it
to
to
Carlos
and
to
Scott
and
then
to
Mario.
At
the
same
you
know
they
can
forward
it
on,
so
we
can
get
it
cleaned
up
and
the
way
that
it
should
be.
F
Q
A
Q
So
it's
just
it
says
if
any
accompanying
the
ordinance
designating
a
landmark
or
district
and
the
standards
included
in
subsection
E
of
this
section.
So
when
you
go
to
subsection
E,
it
says,
in
addition
to
the
above
standards,
the
Commission
shall
also
consider
the
Secretary
of
Interior
standards
for
the
treatment
of
historic
properties
as
amended,
and
so
all
I'm
asking
is.
This
I
think
I
had
asked
Diane
you
this
in
a
email.
Q
A
Well,
I
guess
the
issue
is-
and
this
is
maybe
more
of
a
marked
question
than
a
question
for
me-
is
that
I
guess
at
least
maybe
I'm
missing
something
but
I've
not
seen
a
lot
of
links
and
ordinances
to
things?
Maybe
it
but
I
think
where
the
point
that
I
was
trying
to
make
to
you
is
that
fundamentally
that's
a
Mario
question
or
a
mark
type
question,
but
I
think
that,
from
my
perspective,
the
stuff
that
you
and
Elliot
Jack
have
been
working
on.
That's
where
the
links
should
be.
J
Q
A
C
M
A
And
I
want
to
thank
the
committee
again
so
for
all
of
the
time
that
they
devoted
to
it,
because
it
was,
let's
just
say
it
was
huge
and
mind-numbing.
A
So
I
really
appreciate
the
fact
that
everybody
showed
up
at
virtually
all
of
the
meetings
I
think
we
only
cancelled
one
and
I
just
really
appreciate
the
time
that
everybody
put
into
it.
It
was
great
and
I
think
we're
gonna.
Ultimately,
once
we
get
through
these,
you
know
this
sort
of
process
right
here.
We're
gonna
end
up
with
a
really
good
product,
so
anybody
else
have
any
other
big
kind
of
things
definitional
or
otherwise.
A
A
What
we're
gonna,
what
I
want
to
do
is
assemble
all
of
the
stuff
that
we
have
and
so
that
it
can
go
to
Mario
so
that
he
can
go
through
and
look
at
this
again
so
and
then
once
we
get
once
we
get
it
in
this
format,
and
maybe
that's
the
time
to
ask
you
to
take
a
look
at
it
again,
if
you
don't
mind
just
to
read
through
it,
I'll
read
it
again.
Now.
A
A
Q
Sorry,
Carlos
yeah,
we
have
been
really
waiting
for
it
to
to
get
online
and
so
I
guess.
My
question
is
now
that
there's
some
new
information
from
the
preservation
ordinance
that
probably
Elliott
and
Jack
and
I
have
to
get
together
to
just
figure
out
what
we
do
at
that.
First
page,
we're
gonna
that
you
sent
us
so
Diane,
but
anyway
there
was
a
so
everyone
there
Diane
sent
us
this
there's
like
a
basically
a
spreadsheet
that
says
what's
repair
worth
II.
It's.
Q
Q
E
Links
that
you
provided
to
Hillary
have
been
placed
in
the
format
that
you
wanted
from
a
grid
to
a
list,
so
that
has
been
done,
but
I
didn't
publish
it
because
I
wasn't
sure
if
we
were
ready
for
it.
Hillary
is
back
and
we
will
work
with
her
to
make
sure
that
is
in
place
the
way
it
should
be
because
she
plays
she
plays
it
and
sort
of
a
temporary
location
on
the
website,
and
so
you
have
more
work
to
do
so.
I
like
to
have
that,
so
we
can
actually
okay,
I
have
the
final.
E
Q
F
A
A
F
F
N
E
For
clarification
on
my
part,
when
you
submitted
the
material
to
Hillary,
there
was
a
she
put
together
on
a
great
form
and
I
believe
the
volunteers
decided
that
that
was
not
the
format
that
you
wanted
to
see
it.
You
wanted
to
see
a
list
which
is
separate
from
the
standards
or
the
the
grid
for
administrative
review
versus
Commission
review.
So
there's
two
type
of
grids:
one
is
no
longer
in
place.
The
other
one
is
in
the
through
some
procedures:
right,
okay,.
E
Being
in
touch
with
our
videographer,
when
talking
about
you
know,
timing
for
doing
the
video
for
the
council
presentation
and
he
was
concerned
mostly
with
the
weather
rather
than
you
know
the
ability
to
do
it
because
he
said
I
have
experience
doing
now.
My
concern
is
if
in
April
we
have
good
good
the
ice
for
shooting
in
the
video.
E
So
my
question
to
the
Commission
is:
do
we
still
want
to
pursue
the
main
meeting
for
the
video
with
the
Commission,
or
do
you
want
to
wait
until
even
the
applicants
wants
to
want
to
wait
until
you
know
they
have
better
weather
conditions
or
they
have
a
better
garden
or
landscape?
You
know
it's
always
been
an
issue
that
is
too
soon
to
get
to
take
the
photographs.
A
E
A
E
Because
we
are
going
to
be
calling
for
more
nominations,
these
are
citizens
from
the
Commission.
We
usually
put
out
a
newsletter
and
part
of
the
newsletter.
The
call
for
nominations
which
will
be
coming
out
soon
and
I
have
also
prepared
a
list
of
former
projects
from
2016
and
I
was
planning
to
do
it
for
2015.
So
you
also
have
a
list
of
former
projects
that
you
might
want
to
consider
for
nomination.
So
I
will
present
that
to
you
this
week.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
so
once
carlos
sends
the
list
out,
if
we
can,
you
know
make
any
suggested
nominees
for
the
preservation
awards.
That
would
be
great
as
far
as
the
CLG
grant
that's
something
I've
been
frankly
carlos
had
gotten
the
information
from
the
State
Historic
Preservation
Office
I've
been
taking
a
look
at
that,
there's
probably
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
to
follow,
though
it's
going
to
have
to
be
fast
because
the
deadline
is
in
March,
but
it's.
A
What
we
were
looking
at
is
the
possibility
of
getting
some
sort
of
grant
for
training
or
education
of
some
sort
for
the
Commission.
So
unfortunately,
I
wanted
to
talk
with
Rachel
Leibovitz
from
the
state
office,
but
we
haven't
been
able
to
our
schedules
that
we've
been
playing.
Phone
tag
is
really
what's
so
once
I
talked
with
her
I'll
have
a
better
sense
and
what
I
may
do
is
send
send
out
via
Carlos
a
separate
kind
of
communication
on
that
the
camp
training
was
one
issue
that
we
had
talked
about.
They
have
some
stuff.
A
I
was
talking
with
a
couple
of
folks
that
I
work
with
about
some.
You
know
potential
public
education
stuff
that
would
be
low,
cost
no
cost,
because
these
grants
require
a
match.
So
there's
there's
an
issue
fiscally
and
otherwise,
with
that,
so
we've
got
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
we
can
do
where
we
can
match
it
in
kind.
So
but
I'll
I'll,
let
you
folks
know
and
what
I'll
probably
do
is
once
I
finally
do
talk
with
Rachel
I
will
circulate
some
information,
so
okay.
So
thank.
E
You
yeah
well,
for
my
part.
I
will
prepare
the
application
for
the
camp
right
and
we
already
have
information
from
the
organization
and
I
already
at
least
contacted
our
staff
to
there's
a
number
that
the
city
should
have.
I
was
told
that
we
have
it,
but
I
need
still
still
need
to
find.
Who
who
can
provide
that
number
right.
N
C
C
Town,
it's
not
too
much
to
report.
There
are
there's
two
blocks
on
Seward
that
have
mock-ups
of
new
lights
installed
already
and
that's
the
blocks
between
Dodge
and
Dewey
and
Dewey
and
Florence
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I
think
the
difference
is
that
there's
two
different
color
temperatures
of
bulb.
F
F
C
Like
definitely
noticeable
okay,
because
it's
a
different
color
than
the
existing
one,
in
any
case,
they're
they've
kind
of
again
preface
doing
this
by
there's
no
money
and
no
intent
to
go
around
and
replace
all
of
the
streetlights
immediately.
It's
just.
They
want
to
have
a
standard
in
mind,
for
when
small
projects
come
up
or
a
streetlight
breaks,
they
are
replacing
them
in
a
consistent
way
and
there's
four
different
options
that
are
still
on
the
table.
C
One
would
be
just
putting
a
new
lamp,
a
new
bulb
inside
the
existing
streetlight.
That's
not
very
appealing,
because
it
doesn't
really
improve
things,
much
keeping
the
existing
light
post
as
is,
and
just
replacing
the
head
for
lack
of
a
better
word.
So
the
glass
portion
at
the
top
would
be
replaced
with
a
replica
that
matches
more
or
less
what
exists
or
it
would
be
rebuilt
I
should
say
so.
It
would
be
the
same
structure,
but
it
would
be
rebuilt
so
that
the
lamp
is
kind
of
up
in
the
crown
and
there's
not
a
glass.
C
The
top
of
it
is
in
glass,
the
top
would
be
solid
and
the
light
bulb
would
be
concealed
there
and
shining
down
more
and
then
there's
two
variations
of
total
replacement,
one
with
kind
of
cast
metal
matching
exactly
what
we
have
now
and
one
with
fiberglass.
That
would
be
more.
That
would
be
similar,
but
not
quite
as
precisely
matched
and
there's
some
problems
with
the
manufacturer.
There's
talk
of.
Do
they
buy
the
molds
from
the
manufacturer
who
is
making
the
metal
castings,
who
has
gone
bankrupt.
U
M
F
A
F
C
F
Make
it
brighter
yeah
the
basic
comments:
are
we,
like
it,
they're
worried
about
birds,
they're
worried
about
all
sorts
of
things?
They
all
feel
that
they're
more
than
bright
enough,
but
this
also
turns
out
to
be
a
fairly
vocal
group.
You
weren't
there,
but
when
they
had
the
public
meeting
in
the
parasol
room,
they
were
there
and
they
just
did
not
want
anything
done
to
these
notes.
F
Okay,
that's
good
to
know.
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
do
it
because,
as
I
said
there,
there
was
a
very
small
minority
at
the
public
meeting
and
then
they
solicited
comments
and
even
the
comments
were
fairly
minimal
and
you
could
almost
read
them
and
say:
I
know
who
said
it
at
the
public
meeting
I
now
wrote
it
again
and
and
I
think
those
who
don't.
This
is
another
of
those.
If
you
don't
vote,
you
get
what
you
get
I
won't
sounds.