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A
A
703
and
I
will
now
call
tonight's
meeting
of
the
Evanston
preservation
commission
to
order
we
have
a
quorum
of
eight
Commissioners
present.
A
The
city
of
evanston's
preservation
ordinance
empowers
this
body
to
safeguard
a
communities,
historic,
cultural
and
Architectural
Heritage.
The
commission
encourages
public
participation
and
efforts
do
affords
due
process
through
public
hearings
on
proposed
Landmark
designations
and
applications
for
certificates
of
appropriateness.
The
ordinance
requires
Commissioners
to
apply
specific
review
standards
and
includes
the
ability
to
consider
economic
hardship
and
special
Merit
as
needed.
We
ask
that
all
members
of
the
public,
as
well
as
the
applicants,
present,
be
respects
we
respectful
of
tonight's
proceedings
and
adopt
the
decorum
necessary
to
facilitate
impartial
discussion
and
debate.
A
We
ask
anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
to
sign
in
and
indicate
the
discussion
item,
designation
or
application.
They
will
be
addressing
the
first
order.
Business
tonight
will
be
public
comment
on
items
listed
under
discussion
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
old
and
new
business.
The
chair
of
the
commission
will
ask
staff
to
read
each
case
into
the
record.
Once
a
case
has
been
read
into
the
record,
the
applicant
presents
an
overview
of
The
Proposal,
including
evidence,
and
testimony
that
support
the
application
applicable
standards
being
met.
A
The
Commissioners
will
then
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
following
the
questioning
period.
Members
of
the
public
may
speak
towards
the
application,
keeping
their
comments.
If
you
please
to
three
minutes
or
less
following
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
the
opportunity
to
rebut
any
evidence
or
testimony
against
the
application,
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
for
review.
A
B
Excuse
me,
chairman
Stewart:
we
have
old
business,
2306
Harrison
Street.
However,
the
architect
would
like
to
see
the
next
applicant
on
the
new
business
1139
Sheridan,
because
he
has
another
project
under
new
business,
6
30
Central.
So
he
wants
to
go
after
a
new
business.
Okay,.
B
B
Architect,
an
applicant
submit
for
a
certificate
of
appropriate
to
remove
the
existing
raised
patio
and
existing
two-car
garage
construct,
new
modern
Edition
on
the
primary
structure
and
replace
the
existing
garage
with
a
new
detached
two-story
accessory
dwelling
unit
replace
existing
windows
at
the
rear
of
the
house.
There
are
several
exterior
improvements,
including
a
wood
parallel
attached
to
the
Adu
and
a
new
raised
wood
deck
with
a
Pergola
fireplace
an
appliance
pool
near
the
primary
structure.
Decide
on
rear
fences
will
be
adjusted
and
replaced
to
match.
D
Good
evening,
I'm
Brad
Leitner
from
Chicago
Illinois
I
am
the
principal
and
architect
from
Heidi
Lightner
architects.
Thank
you
for
your
time
and
the
opportunity
to
present
this
project.
This
evening
we
are
proposing
a
one-story
mudroom
addition
in
the
rear
yard
of
the
back
of
the
the
primary
residence
along
with
several
exterior
improvements,
including
a
raised
wood
deck,
plunge,
pool
wood,
pergola
masonry,
fireplace
and
outdoor
kitchen.
We
are
also
proposing
a
new
two-story
Adu
garage
structure
to
replace
the
existing
garage.
E
D
D
D
You
go
one
up
yep
there
we
go
up
there,
we
go.
Thank
you.
So
we
are
proposing
the
one
story:
mudroom
Edition,
the
two-story
Adu
and
then
in
the
rear
yard.
We
have
several
exterior
improvements,
including
a
raised
wood,
deck,
the
plunge
pool
and
then
two
pergola
structures,
one's
attached
to
the
Adu
and
then
another
wood
pergola,
that's
attached
to
the
primary
residence
and
is
connected
to
a
masonry
chimney
and
covering
an
outdoor
kitchen.
D
Here
we're
looking
at
our
roof
plan.
The
roof
plan
for
the
Adu
is
a
single
gable,
roof
structure.
It's
matching
the
roof
pitch
of
the
existing
garage
and
it's
using
an
ex
this
asphalt
shingles
to
match
the
existing
structure.
The
mudroom
Edition
is
a
flat
roof
with
a
pitched
Skylight.
D
The
gulf
or
the
mudroom
Edition
is
really
to
create
kind
of
more
of
a
conservatory
feel
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
you'll
see
here
the
existing
elevation
on
the
left,
which
shows
the
extension
and
then
kind
of
the
raised
patio
that
was
added
on
in
2006
and
then
now
we're
proposing
this
mudroom
Edition,
which
again
has
a
sense
of
more
of
a
conservatory
with
a
lot
of
glazing
and
Skylight
to
allow
natural
light
into
the
existing
kitchen.
We're
replacing
the
windows
from
on
the
existing
Edition.
D
This
is
the
existing
South
elevation
and
then
what
we're
proposing
here
is
replacing
the
windows
on
the
second
floor
and
then
replacing
some
of
the
windows.
Well,
all
the
windows.
On
the
first
floor
here,
three
of
those
windows
will
become
a
slider
door
unit
that
will
open
up
to
the
raised
deck
there.
The
windows
that
we're
proposing,
Are,
all
Marvin,
ultimate
aluminum,
clad
wood
interior
and
then
we're
using
similar
windows.
D
So
previously
they
had
casements
and
this
extension
and
we're
replacing
with
additional
casement
windows
they're
in
slightly
different
locations
just
to
provide
they
were
previously.
The
casements
were
kind
of
centered
within
the
grouping
and
we've
located
them
to
the
sides
purely
just
from
a
screen
application
that
we
want
screens
to
be
kind
of
off
to
the
sides
and
not
the
main
focal
point.
When
we're
looking
out.
D
This
is
the
north
elevation,
so
here
you'll
see
the
extension
and
then
the
raised
concrete
patio
that
was
added
that
has
steps
kind
of
going
up
and
down,
and
then
what
we're
proposing
here
is
again
the
conservatory
raised
decking
and
replacing
several
windows
in
the
in
the
basement,
which
is
the
existing
laundry
room.
D
So
here
you're
looking
at
existing
photos
again,
the
extension,
the
raised
patio
that
we'll
be
replacing
will
be
removing
the
two
windows
and
then
again,
the
idea
is
that
this
Conservatory
mudroom
becomes
kind
of
a
main
entry
into
the
house.
It's
kind
of
this
area
that
the
family
can
come
in
drop
a
lot
of
their
belongings
right
now,
there's
no
area
within
the
house.
This
is
kind
of
a
dining
room
and
kitchen
here.
So
this
becomes
like
a
key
focal
point
within
the
house
that
they
can
come
in
drop
their
stuff
off.
D
It
connects
the
basement
to
the
first
floor
and
also
connects
to
kind
of
the
extensive
outdoor
space
living
outdoor
space
and
then
the
existing
one-story
garage
we're
replacing
with
a
two-story
Adu.
So
this
is
looking
from
the
alley
side
again
trying
to
replicate
or
use
the
same
matching
materials.
So
stucco
finish
on
the
Adu
similar
trim
profiles,
aluminum,
clad
windows
and
asphalt
shingles
for
the
roofing.
We
have
added
kind
of
two
small
awnings
over
the
entry
for
the
Adu
and
over
the
garage.
D
So
you're,
looking
at
the
elevation
from
the
house,
which
is
the
west
elevation
again,
it
was
really
try
trying
to
Design
This
in
the
aspect
of
making
it
look
like
a
small
single
family
house
from
the
main
residence
we
kind
of
used
pool
house
Inspirations
to
make
it
feel
like
they're
looking
into
somewhere
that
it's
not
just
a
garage,
it's
something
that
people
are
habitating
habitating
in,
and
it's
welcoming
to
look
at
on.
The
south
elevation
you'll
see
a
pretty
large
extensive
grouping
of
windows.
Again.
D
This
is
the
idea
of
trying
to
get
as
much
natural
light
into
the
Adu.
It's
a
smaller
one
bedroom
unit,
and
we,
our
goal,
is
to
get
a
lot
of
natural
light
in
their
with
vaulted
ceilings
to
try
to
make
it
feel
as
large
kind
of
as
possible
and
inviting
for
their
families.
And
this
is
definitely
if
you
look
at
the
existing
Edition
that
was
done
in
2006.
There
were
large,
extensive
windows
that
we
kind
of
pulled
inspiration
from.
D
So
floor
plans,
we've
got
basement
laundry
room
here
and
this
is
our
mud
room
addition.
So
you
have
an
entry
kind
of
going
up
and
down
or
down
and
up
sorry
another
kind
of
drop
off
Zone
that
connects
to
a
series
of
kind
of
outdoor
rooms
or
Living
Spaces,
plunge
pool
and
kind
of
a
dining
area
over
by
an
outdoor
grill
and
chimney.
D
D
Fencing
we're
relocating
we're
going
to
use
the
same
type
of
fencing,
essentially
moving
it
up.
We
won't
be
reusing.
It
excuse
me,
but
moving
that
up
further
towards
the
West
to
allow
for
our
proposed
deck
off
of
the
dining
room.
So
there's
the
existing
fence
and
what
we're
proposing
to
match.
D
And
then
perspectives
lifts
is
looking
from
kind
of
the
southeast
corner
of
their
yard
and
I
apologize.
This
view,
I
feel
like
is
slightly
distorted
through
Revit
to
make
the
Adu
look
much
wider
than
what
it
actually
is,
but
in
order
to
kind
of
get
that
perspective
within
a
close
distance,
it
kind
of
like
distorted
it.
So
it
looks
a
little.
D
D
And
then
the
perspective
from
the
alley,
I
think
really
was
trying
to
use
very
similar
materials
to
the
existing
house.
Stucco.
The
windows
are
very
similar
in
design
as
well
in
terms
of
casement
double
hung
windows.
We
have
introduced
some
awning
windows
off
the
conservatory
and
then
similar
Roofing
Products,
staining
seam
or
asphalt,
shingles
and
I
think
this
is
you
know.
D
F
Just
just
one
high
the
the
form
of
the
conservatory
Edition
the
panels
above
the
doors
kind
of
reading,
like
a
like
a
classical
freeze.
D
A
I
have
a
question
about
the
windows
on
the
Adu.
The
windows
are
double
hungs
they're
three
over
one
Windows
and
I,
like
the
way
you've
actually
picked
up
the
Gable
and
windows
which
reflect
or
or
are
similar
to,
the
ones
in
the
porch
Edition.
The
porch
Edition
is
casement
windows
and
you're,
replacing
all
of
them.
A
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
considered
upscaling
those
slightly
from
the
narrow
ones
that
were
there
I
understand,
you're,
keeping
the
same
opening
and
the
same
headers,
but
going
to
three
over
one
double
hung
there
or
alternately
using
a
narrower
casement
in
the
Adu.
D
Yes,
we
I
would
say
we
had
not
considered
that
I
think
when
we
were
replacing
them
on
the
addition.
We
were
thinking
to
replace
them
in
place.
We
actually
have
not
done
studies
to
replace
those
I
think
those
windows,
although
they
were
I,
think
that
was
an
addition
from
2006
I
think
those
window
proportions
were
picking
up
on
the
proportions
of
the
gang
or
grouped
of
casement
windows
in
the
front
of
the
house
and
on
the
side
of
the
house.
D
So
you'll
see
kind
of
numerous
three
to
five
casement
windows
with
those
horizontal
proportions
they
did
have
muttons
that
broke
those
down,
but
for
whatever
reason,
when
they
did
this
addition,
they
did
not
include
muttons
on
those
windows,
so
that
was
kind
of
we
were
replacing
in
place.
So
so.
A
D
Haven't
no
I
think
our
clients
enjoy
kind
of
the
glass
and
the
visibility
and
the
views
outside
of
the
house,
so
we
didn't
really
consider
adding
muttons
to
all
those
windows.
At
this
point.
A
Anything
else:
okay,
do
we
have
the
room
is
sort
of
empty,
but
I
will
still
ask
if
there's
any
public
comment
on
the
project.
A
F
So
I
like
pretty
much
everything
about
this
proposal,
but
I'm
a
little
focused
on
the
what
feels
a
little
bit
of
a
different
style
on
the
addition
and
so
I.
Don't
know
what
a
what
a
early
prairie
style
Conservatory
would
look
like.
I,
certainly
don't
want
it
to
have
extended,
Eaves
and
and
take
on
a
character
that
it
doesn't
need
to
I
it's
I'm
kind
of
on
the
edge,
because
I
feel
like
it's
just
kind
of
playing
and
stayed
enough
that
it's
not
really
showing
up
the
the
beautiful
existing
home.
F
But
it's
just
got
like
it.
Kind
of
just
has
like
a
little
bit
of
the
classical
order
with
those
panels,
above
that
I'm
I'm,
not
perfectly
comfortable
with
right
now.
A
So
it
seems
like
the
net
result
is
that
we've
got
this
stuck
out
house
that
has
a
kind
of
Integrity
to
it
in
terms
of
what
it
what
it
looks
like
and
what
its
elements
are,
and
then
we've
got
this
somewhat
more
contemporary
Edition
that
was
done
previously
and
then
your
element
adds
a
third
piece,
so
I
mean.
Does
anybody
have
any
feelings
about
that?
One
way
or
the
other
I
mean
I
I,
don't
feel
that
any
of
these
pieces
are
incompatible
with
the
existing
house.
But
would
somebody
like
to
address
that.
G
I
I
understand
where
commissioner
Jacobs
is
coming
from.
I
do
think
that
the
conservatory
is
the
least
visible
from
public
way.
It's
it's
very
much
tucked
in
and
then
the
adjacent
house
is
kind
of
there
to
block
it.
So
it's
not
really
seen
from
the
alley,
and
so
that,
for
me,
doesn't
make
me
feel
like
it's
going
to
be
this
strong
element,
that's
going
to
really
cause
a
huge
problem
with
the
house
and
I
agree
with
commissioner
Cohen
I.
G
A
The
I
mean
the
choice
of
rendering
that,
as
a
conservatory
makes
sense
if
you've
all
looked
at
the
plans,
there's
an
existing
kitchen.
That's
behind
that,
and
when
you
build
the
mud
room
rather
than
walking
directly
into
the
house,
which
was
the
existing
condition,
you're,
basically
burying
the
kitchen.
So
the
idea
that
that
would
be
as
much
glass
as
possible
to
borrow
as
much
light
as
possible
in
the
kitchen
I
think
argues
for
the
conservatory.
A
So
the
question
I
guess
that
that
John
brought
up
is
you
know,
how's
it
done,
and
since
it's
an
element
that
doesn't
really
have
precedent
in
terms
of
the
fabric
of
the
house,
I
think
that
the
kind
of
choices
are
a
little
bit
more
open
should
be
a
little
bit
more
open-ended.
H
I
just
want
to
make
just
one
other
comment:
I'm
real
pleased
with
the
design
as
well
and
I,
just
kind
of
wanted
to
just
a
comment
for
fellow
Commissioners
I.
Think
it's
interesting
when
we
see
the
Edition
starting
to
take
over
kind
of
like
the
side,
part
of
the
lots
of
the
sites
that
are
there
I
feel
like
we're,
starting
to
see
that
just
a
little
bit
more
for
some
reason.
H
Instead
of
just
building
backward
they're,
building
to
the
side
as
well
and
kind
of
going
towards
that
shared
property
line,
and
so
at
first
I'm,
a
little
always
like
the
this
is
for
construction
yeah,
the
standard
for
construction
10
about
the
scale
of
a
structure
and
the
size
and
massing.
Then
it
kind
of
like
Peaks
up
I
think
we're
fine
here.
Personally
it
it
I,
read
that
again
and
I
just
kind
of
double
checked
it
for
myself,
because
they
are
outdoor
spaces.
H
But
it's
just
interesting,
seeing
that
and
like
when
we
see
more
heavy
integral
interior
spaces
roof.
You
know
full
built
out
structures,
I
think
it
has
a
different
feeling,
but
I
just
kind
of
wanted
to
just
bring
that
up
for
consideration
of
our
Commissioners
just
moving
forward
and
just
a
native
observation,
I.
A
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
If
you
look
at
the
at
the
site
plan
or
the
roof
plan,
the
rear,
the
dimensions
from
the
house
to
the
rear
yard,
or
actually
from
the
addition
of
the
rear
yard,
is
roughly
equivalent
to
the
side
yard
and
the
side
yard
faces
South.
So
putting
living
Outdoor
Living
Spaces
in
the
side
yard
is
actually
a
nice,
a
nice
development.
H
I
move
to
issue
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
Oh
do
I
have
to
read
the
property
again:
yeah,
okay
for
1139
Sheridan,
Road
and
Lakeshore
historic
district
23
pre
case
number.
H
I
A
Okay,
thank
you.
C
B
J
Okay,
my
name
is
Mike
Hauser
I'm,
the
architect
for
Rob
Berry,
who
is
the
homeowner
at
630,
Central
Street.
Thank
you
for
having
us
here
tonight.
J
Rob
and
I
have
been
working
on
this
for
a
couple
of
years
now
to
try
to
determine
the
best
way
forward
with
these
historic
windows
in
this
historic
house
we've
put
in
what
I
feel
like
is
quite
a
bit
of
work
in
investigating
replacement
strategies,
but
also
restoration
strategies
and
modification
strategies
and
I
believe
if,
if
you
don't
have
those
drawings,
there
were
a
couple
of
iterations
before
this
that
were
reviewed
casually
with
the
commission
to
explore
what
would
be
accept
an
acceptable
route
forward.
J
We
were
also
balancing
that,
of
course,
with
the
cost,
and
one
of
the
major
reasons
we're
here
tonight
with
this
strategy
is
cost,
so
we've
got
a
hardship
and
we've
got
about
triple
the
number
triple
the
expense
in
in
material
and
triple
the
expense
in
installation
for
the
strategy
that
would
be
to
restore
and
and
or
other
means
of,
maintaining
the
windows
as
opposed
to
replacing
them
full
fully.
J
Rob
is
going
to
speak
after
me
to
some
of
the
problems
that
he's
had
as
as
the
homeowner
that
strengthened
the
case.
Nobody
wants
to
replace
these
windows.
You
know,
we've
read
the
the
the
dossier
on
the
house
and
it
is
I
think
listed
first
as
the
defining
characteristic
of
the
of
its
historicness,
but
the
windows
are
have
several
strikes
against
them
in
their
practicality
and
in
their
construction
already,
and
the
invitation
is
open
for
anyone
who
would
like
to
come
see
those
windows
in
person.
J
Some
of
the
things
I'm
going
to
describe
are
difficult
to
imagine,
but
what
I
think
is
happening
I'll
get
right
into
it
is
that
the
art
glass
is
of
a
thinness
that
has
to
be
matched
by
the
glass
itself,
and
it's
very
spiderweb
like
in
its
in
its
malleability
and
the
glass
itself
flexes
when
the
wind
blows
flexes
when
the
doors
open
several
pieces
have
fallen
out
and
I
believe
these
are
windows
that
were
constructed
with.
J
You
know
the
best
of
intentions,
but
they're,
not
they're,
not
up
to
you,
know
up
to
par
as
serviceable
windows.
In
this
environment
there
is,
there
has
been
breaches
over
the
years
from
the
holes
and
the
gapping
that
have
caused
water
damage
on
the
inside
of
the
house
and.
J
You
know
this
is
you
know.
We
also
have
just
statements
about
Energy
Efficiency,
some
of
the
stories
that
Rob
has
point
to
Pieces
Of
The
Furnace
I,
don't
want
to
steal
your
thunder,
but
the
there
are.
There
are
other
evidence.
J
There's
other
evidence
of
this
issue.
Being
you
know
something
that
the
homeowners
need
to
deal
with
so
I'm
just
gonna
discuss.
You
know
some
of
the
things
that
we've
already
looked
at
and
why
we've
steered
away
from
them.
J
You
know
we
started
with
a
man
named
Jeff
Edinger
of
Oak
Brothers
Windows
who's,
a
restorer.
He
came
out
to
assess
a
strategy
of
either
replacing
the
windows
piece
by
piece
in
order
to
rebuild
them
or
to
remove
the
Sash
and
install
the
sash
as
a
storm
window
on
the
outside
of
in-swinging
casement
windows.
So
we
would
have
that.
You
know
that
the
security
and
functionality
of
a
real
window,
but
still
be
able
to
open
both
to
take
advantage
of
air
and
light
I,
should
also
add.
J
J
For
this
to
really
please
all
and
be
a
practical
solution,
so
with
Jeff,
going
back
to
Jeff
Jeff
is
was
unable
to
commit
to
a
timeline
also
unable
to
commit
to
a
price,
so
his
numbers
are
not
actually
even
included
in
the
triple
of
triple
cost
of
the
replacement
strategy,
but
his
strategy
would
be
to
take
them
down
one
by
one,
restore
them
over
an
unspecified
amount
of
time
and
put
them
back
up
now.
J
The
one
thing
you
know
several
several
things
that
he
could
not
speak
to
were
whether
or
not
this
strategy
or
the
one
where
the
strategy
where
we
would
hang
them
outside
of
real
windows
or
sorry
in
swinging
casement
windows.
He
could
not
speak
to
the
point
to
the
to
his
confidence
in
that
actually
being
a
solution.
You
know
and
solving
all
the
you
know,
thermal
issues
that
might
occur
with
two
two
actual
Windows.
J
So
the
other
thing
he
discussed
was
the
thinness
of
the
glass
and
what
that
would
mean
for
the
frame
of
the
window
in
order
for
that
glass
to
be
beefy
enough
for
it
not
to
spiderweb
and
bounce
bounce
around,
it
would
mean
pulling
the
entire
frame
of
the
window
apart
and
routing
it
bigger
whole
bigger
Groove
for
the
glass
itself,
so
at
some
level
we're
talking
about
a
strategy
that
basically
replaces
every
piece
of
the
of
the
window
itself
towards
the
end
of
you
know,
rest
restoration,
which
may
you
know
it
has
its,
has
its
value,
but
that's
just
something
that
we
were
wrestling
with
quite
a
bit.
J
So
then
we
came
up
with
the
solution
of
having
the
glass
the
art
glass
removed
from
the
the
circular
art
glass,
which
is
beautiful.
There
are
some
that
are
very
beautiful
and
applied
to
the
inside
of
the
windows
of
new
windows
that
have
the
lead
patterning
that
would
match
the
original,
and
the
issue
with
that
I
can
imagine
is
that
this
would
destroy
the
window
this,
the
original
sashes
and
there
would
be
nothing
left,
but
there
there
is
the
question
of
what
of
those
original
sashes
is
original.
J
That
might
you
know,
I
would
like
to
put
it
to
the
commission
of
whether
taking
the
circular
art,
glass
out
of
the
windows
would
destroy
that
and
whether
it
would
be
a
better
solution
to
maintain
the
casement
sash
in
you
know
as
a
whole
and
have
them
donated
have
them.
You
know
stored
in
the
house,
for,
however
long
it
takes
to
find
a
home
for
them,
but
that
they
could
remain
part
of
The
house's
history.
In
that,
in
that
way,
so
with
that
you
know
I,
if
you
I
think
that's.
J
J
B
Please
you
know
sign
up
on
the
sheet
yeah.
K
So
Robert
Barry
thanks
Mike,
so
I'll
just
give
you
some
brief
backgrounds.
We
moved
here
a
couple
of
years
ago.
I
actually
lived
in
Evanston
about
20
years
ago,
because
I
went
to
Northwestern
for
grad
school
and
when
we
were
living
in
New
York
in
an
apartment
and
now
I'm
a
homeowner
in
in
front
of
you
folks
talking
about
the
windows,
so
it's
been
kind
of
an
interesting
process
and
you've
got
some
sense
of
it
from
talking
to
Mike.
K
But
when
we
were
thinking
about
or
listening
to,
Mike
speak
whenever
we
were
thinking
about
moving
back
to
the
Chicagoland
area.
You
know
Evanston
was
kind
of
on
the
top
of
our
list
because
we
had
or
I
had
been
here
at
Northwestern
before
and
we
came
and
fell
in
love
with
the
community
and
and-
and
you
know,
every
house
here
is
different.
It
has
incredible
character,
so
absolutely
appreciate
kind
of
the
work
and
the
objectives
of
the
commission
and
everything
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
and
whenever
we
first
asked
Mike
to
start
working.
K
Actually,
the
first
project
we
asked
Mike
to
start
thinking
about
was
the
mud
room,
so
I
may
be
back
in
a
year
or
two
that's
for
a
mud
room,
because
we
don't
have
one
either
and
they're
super
super
useful,
especially
if
you
have
kids
who
play
hockey
and
and
it's
it's
winter
and
slushy.
K
But
the
second
project
we
asked
Mike
to
do
is
to
to
think
about
the
windows
and
even
though
cost
ended
up
becoming
kind
of
a
key
driver
of
the
strategy
we
chose
it
wasn't
the
initial
kind
of
directive
like
we
just
need
to
get
this
done
and
I
want
to
spend
the
least
amount.
I
mean
we've
already
invested,
actually
quite
a
bit
of
time
and
resources
to
try
and
explore
all
the
options,
because
the
directive
was
to
really
think
about
like
what
can
we
do
to
kind
of
get
this
right?
K
I
mean
we
love
this
house.
We
love
the
windows,
we
love
the
character,
we
appreciate
the
character
of
it
all
and
so
I
guess.
The
the
first
point
I
just
wanted
to
make
was
that
we
spent
a
lot
of
time
and
resources
and
and
been
very
thoughtful
I
think
about
trying
to
come
up
with
a
solution
that
balances
you
know,
respect
for
the
home
for
the
community
and
the
street
and
which
it's
on,
but
also
our
needs,
as
homeowners
and
I.
K
Think
part
of
what
it
means
to
keep
Evanston
kind
of
this
cool,
vibrant,
unique
Community
is,
is
kind
of
balancing
preservation
with
Evolution
and
sustainability
and
I
guess.
K
If
you
want
to
see
the
house
close
up
and
kind
of
see
what
we're
dealing
with
I
think
it's
obvious
that
the
combination
of
the
inherent
factors,
plus
the
degradation,
leaves
us
with
a
product
or
a
a
situation.
Windows
that
are
just
not
viable
I
mean
the
house
is
incredibly
cold
and
drafty
I
mean
when
I
think
about
it.
From
an
environmental
perspective
running
the
furnace
running
the
air
conditioning
in
the
summer,
I
mean
it's,
it's
sad
actually,
I!
K
Think
from
that
perspective,
because
it's
so
drafty
I
mean
there
are
places
where
the
panes
of
glass
have
kind
of
pulled
away
from
the
lead,
and
so
air
kind
of
regularly
comes
in
in
the
issue
I
confronted
yesterday
was
that
Mike
was
alluding
to,
as
we
had
a
problem
with
the
furnace
cost
me
800
to
fix
a
blower
motor
on
our
furnace.
K
That's
only
four
years
old
that
the
technician
thought
well
was
probably
because
our
furnace
is
literally
like
running
non-stop
24
7,
doing
double
duty,
because
there's
like
air
slowly
like
constantly
coming
into
our
house
through
all
these
beautiful
but
very
drafty
Windows,
so
I
think
the
need
to
do
something
is,
is
obvious.
K
I
think
you
know
getting
to
a
point
where
we
can
have
a
solution
that
is
I,
think,
elegant
and
handsome,
and
looks
good
on
the
house
and
is
kind
of
true
to
the
origins
of
the
house
right
kind
of
replicating
the
pattern,
even
the
circle
and
the
glass
even
looking
into
potentially
removing
the
stained
glass
and
putting
it
back
there
we
thought
was
just
you
know,
a
good
balance
between
meeting
our
objectives
of
being
warm
and
comfortable
and
environmentalism
and
functionality,
and
still
having
an
eye
towards
preservation,
as
well
as
perhaps
me
being
able
to
still
send
my
son
to
college,
because
I
think
the
Jeff
Eldridge
approach,
which
is
dismantling
window
wipe
by
window
with
no
you
know,
time
frame
in
sight.
K
You
know
could
could
end
up
being
just
really
cost
prohibitive,
and
that,
of
course,
is
not
sustainable
or
viable,
so
and
kind
of
undermines
the
reason
we
want
to
preserve
in
the
first
place
so
I
know,
I
went
over
three
minutes,
but
those
are
my
thoughts.
Thank
you
and
I
guess.
I'll
turn
it
back
over
to
Mike.
K
A
Mike
before
you
get
up
I'm
going
to
say
something
that
perhaps
I
shouldn't
at
this
juncture,
but
I
would
not
know
how
to
either
discuss,
propose
or
vote
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
because
we
don't
know
what
you're
proposing
to
do
you've
outlined
a
a
few
different
possible
solutions.
Your
presentation
shows
a
new
Marvin
window
with
leading
on
it.
We've
done
that
they
look
great
from
a
foot
or
two
away.
A
This
is
why
I
don't
want
to
chair
this
Commission,
because
it's
inappropriate
for
me
to
say
this
now,
but
I
know
that
both
Pella
and
Marvin
make
triple
glazed
Windows,
which
is
a
double
glazed
window
with
clips
that
hold
a
storm
pane.
Okay,
if
you
took
these
windows
took
him
out
of
the
crummy
wood
falling
apart,
wood
sashes,
you
know,
and
you
actually
put
them
into
a
metal
frame
that
would
fit
into
the
storm
panel-
that
the
Marvin
Windows
accommodate
I,
think
you
could
make
everybody
happy.
A
J
Okay,
I
I
think.
The
proposal
which
is
you
know
in
this
in
the
sheets
is
to
replace
the
windows,
the
details
there,
the
question
you
know,
knowing
that
you
know
the
commission
might
have
a
different
opinion
on.
That
would
be
whether
it's
worth
it
to
remove
that
art,
glass
or
whether
maintaining
the
sash.
That
would
be
our
preference,
maintain
the
sash
put
them
in
the
put
them
in
the
basement,
lock
them
up
and
100
years
from
now.
You
know
if
they,
if
there's
a
better
technology,
restore
them.
L
J
J
It's
a
an
elaborate
sill,
it's
a
Unique
sell,
I
should
say,
and
the
casing
is
inlaid
into
the
stucco,
but
the
problem-
the
oh,
rather
than
do
a
replacement
window
strategy,
this
would
be
a
new
window
strategy
which
would
entail
removing
part
of
the
window
guts,
basically
maintaining
the
the
wood
trim.
That
is
around
that
is
kind
of
bleeding
into
the
stucco,
because
that
would
be
you
know
a
difficult
task
as
well,
but
also
maintaining
the
unique
sill.
J
The
dimensions
are
actually
very,
very
close
with
at
least
in
terms
of
the
frame
size.
Like
you
see
this
Frame
and
this
Frame,
those
are
practically
identical.
There's
a
subtle
difference
on
the
sides.
The
lead
tape
would
be
replaced
with
sorry.
The
lead,
the
leaded
dividers
would
be
replaced
with
lead
tape.
It's
a
an
applied
lead
to
the
glass,
but
this
would
allow
the
windows
to
be
double
paned.
This
would
allow
the
energy
conservation
to
take
place.
J
The
solution
that
we
that
I
was
talking
about
that.
We
that
we
looked
at
would
be
to
take
the
Sash
and
hang
it
on
the
outside,
and
that's
the
one
that
was
a
dead
end
solution.
It
was,
you
know,
three
times
the
expense
and
was
with
no
guarantee
of
whether
that
would
cause
more
problems
or
less.
So
that's
that
was
abandoned,
but
this
is
the.
This
is
the
strategy
this
is.
The
proposal
is
to
replace
these
with
Marvin
ultimate
clad
wood
windows.
A
Store
I'm,
sorry
I'm,
finding
this
incredibly
frustrating.
If
you
don't
want
to
buy
their
triple
glaze
window,
which
comes
prepared
to
receive
a
storm
sash.
You
know
just
one
at
a
time,
restore
the
goddamn
things
and
hold
them
in
place
with
butterfly
Crips
Eclipse,
as
if
they
were
a
removable
screen.
Okay,
I
think
that
it
would
change
the
character
of
the
house
for
you
to
put
these
in
the
basement
or
throw
them
away
or
take
the
decorative
part
of
the
leaded
glass
thing
and
glue
it
on
the
back
of
a
Marvin
window.
M
That
you
know
it's,
it's
a
landmark
structure
and
particularly
on
the
primary
facade,
I
mean
I
might
be
able
to
less
visible
areas
of
the
home.
But,
as
you
started
out,
it's
a
landmark
structure
and
one
of
the
primary
items
significant
about
it.
Are
these
windows,
and
so
I
I,
don't
I
I
can't
get
behind
sure
Mike.
A
M
A
Mike
I
I,
don't
mean
to
insult
you,
but
have
you
restored
lighted,
glass
or
stained
glass
windows
before
no
I?
Have
not
it's
actually
a
pretty
straightforward
process?
It
is
not
rocket
science.
The
caning
goes
all
the
way
around
the
edge
of
the
window.
You
just
take
it
out
of
the
wood
frame
if,
in
fact,
from
wind
load,
it's
deflected
they
flatten
it
out
and
they
add
a
little
reinforcing
bar
at
the
back
of
it.
I.
A
Don't
even
think
it's
a
wildly
expensive
thing
and
you
could
do
it
as
your
client
can
afford
one
window
at
a
time.
As
long
as
we
understand
that
they'll
be
put
back
in
the
Dilemma,
for
me
is,
do
they
go
on
the
outside
or
they
go
on
the
inside?
Well,
it
makes
no
sense
to
put
them
on
the
outside.
Even
though
that's
the
way
the
house
looks
now
because
then
they'd
be
subject
to
whether
you
know
to
weathering
again
and
wind
load.
A
So
if
you
put
them
on
some
sort
of
clip
system
or
in
a
triple
glazed
window
on
the
inside,
what
you
would
have
is
it
would
look
like
the
old
casement
window
that
you
had
simply
installed
a
storm,
a
clear
storm,
sash
in
front
of
which
is
the
way
a
lot
of
houses
in
Evanston
with
leaded
glass
or
wood.
True,
divided
light,
Windows,
look
right
now,
so
I
mean
I'm
I'm,
not
convinced
that
you've
come
to
us
with
a
solution
that
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
other
Commissioners,
but
that
I
can
approve.
J
So
certainly
we
can
come
back.
You
know
at
another
meeting
with
having
explored
that
idea.
That's
one
of
the
this
had
this,
for
this
job
has
had
to
be
very
dialogue,
driven,
there's
too
many
options
out
there
I.
Well,
there
are
a
lot
of
options
out
there.
There
are
a
lot
of
options
and
problems
that
are
unique
to
the
home.
So
I
appreciate
your
suggestion
of
the
triple
triple
pane
windows.
I.
Think
Rob
and
I
really
need
to
talk
about
that.
I
J
One
that
you
thought
we
was
I
had
just
email
exchanges:
oh
just
email,
okay,
that
was
the
intention
of
those
would
be
to
avoid
this
situation,
but
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
solution.
I
think
Rob
and
I
need
to
talk
about
that
and
come
back
with,
hopefully
a
solution
that
everybody
can
get
behind
and
one
of
the
you
know
it
might
not
be
not
next
month.
We
need
to
bid
those
out
and
see.
You
know
what
that
price
point
is
for
the
Triple
pain
Etc,
but
that's
I
think
a
good
way
forward.
K
E
Yeah
I
would
just
say
that
that
there
are
no
Provisions
in
the
in
the
ordinance
that
take
this.
These
economic
considerations
into
account.
So
basically,
what
I've
heard
is
that
the
commission
is
saying
that
the
solution
that
you've
offered
they
they
don't
think
that
meets
the
standards.
They
don't
think
it's
compatible.
E
There's
very
strict
adherence
in
the
ordinance
and
under
standard
six
of
how
that
might
look
and
I
think
that
they've
offered
a
good
solution,
but
I
think
that
the
difficulty
for
for
you
or
other
homeowners
is
that
the
economic
considerations
are
are
not
one
of
the
standards.
K
Well,
I
think
it
has
to
be
because
otherwise
this
is
not
sustainable.
You
know
everything
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
here,
which
is
preserving.
Evanston,
is
like
a
viable
place
to
live,
I
mean
to
force
an
incredible
burden.
On
me,
I
mean
it
would
probably
cost,
because
we
have
priced
out
some
of
these
other
Solutions
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
versus
the
solution
that
we're
proposing
which
from
the
street,
will
look
almost
identical
to
what
we
have
now
and
be
super
environmentally
friendly
and
highly
functional.
G
F
Before
we
get
to
far
and
defining
what
we
are
or
aren't
going
to
approve,
I
would
like
to
drill
down
a
little
bit
deeper
into
the
details
of
what's
being
proposed
and
and
the
storm
panel
energy
panel
solution
that
that
stored
chair
Cohen
mentioned
so
yeah
Mike.
F
If
you
could
so
when
I
read
the
the
the
description
of
what
you're
proposing,
and
so
it's
going
to
be
Marvin,
clad
wood,
ultimate
Windows,
what
I
think
wasn't
clear
was
and
I
think
you
purposely
left
it
open-ended
was
what
was
going
to
happen
to
the
stained
glass
portion
so
and
then
I
saw
the
lead
on
the
front
of
the
window
and
imagined
the
stained
glass
on
the
back
side.
I
think
that's
that
surface
four
in
a
window.
J
F
Yes,
in
order
to
grab
that
that
that
stained
glass
so
but
does
anyone,
can
you
can
you
radius
the
lead
around
the
circular
stained
glass?
Does
anyone
know
for
sure
I've
I've
done
this
lead
treatment
before,
but
I've
never
done
it
on
a
on
a
curve
right
and.
F
F
So
in
terms
of
where
the
either
the
existing
leading
and
glass
and
sash
gets
incorporated
into
that,
I
think
that
there
could
be
a
good
solution
and
probably
a
lot
more
economical
than
replacing
every
single
a
window
and
in
the
end,
gives
you
at
least
two
panes
of
glass
and
one
other
thing
I
want
to
mention
about.
That
is
I
understood
that
energy
panel
to
be
actually
something
that
you
put
on.
K
F
F
So
I
think,
like
everybody
else,
I
I
feel
similarly,
but
I
do
think
that
there's
a
good
solution
here
that
that
won't
require
you
to
replace
everything
and
I
am
definitely
sympathetic
to
what's
going
on
with
the
the
air
infiltration.
J
J
E
Depends
a
little
bit
on
the
timing
that
you're
considering
I
wouldn't
want
to
continue
it
and
then
just.
J
E
It
won't
take,
it
also
doesn't
have
to
be
continued
to
a
certain.
B
H
I'd
like
to
just
make
a
comment
about
the
standards
that
were
of
most
concern
for
me,
so
that
when
you
come
back,
then
you
might
be
able
to
address
those
and
so
I'm.
Looking
at
the
alteration
standard,
yeah,
the
alteration,
standards
and
standard
number,
one
talks
about
you're,
not
taking
every
reasonable
effort
to
adapt
the
property
structure
site
or
object
in
a
manner
that
requires
minimal
alteration
of
the
property.
I
I
definitely
understand
your
infiltration
issues,
however
I
I
do
want
to
emphasize.
H
It
sounds
like
there
were
a
lot
of
strategies
that
you
all
considered.
H
I
guess
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
all
the
due
diligence
was
done
and
that
you're
talking
to
more
than
just
one
art
glass
restorer
and
that
you're
getting
costs
that
you're
getting
schedules
to
before
you
would
rule
that
out.
You
know,
taking
every
reasonable
effort
is
standard
number
one
for
that
standard
number
two
talks
about
the
distinguishing
original
qualities
or
character
of
a
property
structure.
H
Cider
object
shall
not
be
destroyed
and
the
removal
or
alteration
of
any
historic
material
or
distinctive
architectural
features
shall
be
avoided
whenever
possible,
except
when
a
retention
represents
a
hazardous
or
dangerous
condition.
H
The
temperature
in
your
house
is
super
important
I
get
that
I
do
think
that
there
are
I
mean
the
windows
are
not
made
to
leak
air.
If
you
resubmit
the
windows
and
that's
one
option
of
going,
you
know
forward
with
that.
H
That's
a
standard
practice
with
art,
glass
windows
I
definitely
get
that
the
maintenance
has
been
deferred,
but
it's
not
a
huge
costly
thing,
as
I
think,
commissioner
I
think
commissioner
Cohen
mentioned,
and
so
again
just
retaining
that
original
material,
but
then
also
taking
the
responsibility
of
when
you
you
do
have
these
types
of
windows
in
a
landmark
house.
H
There's
a
standard
number
three
talks
about:
oh,
no,
not
number,
three,
five
and
six
five
talks
about
the
distinctive
stylistic
features,
materials
finishes.
Examples
of
skilled
craftsmanship
or
examples
of
distinctive
construction
techniques
that
characterize
a
property
structure
set
or
object,
shall
be
treated
with
sensitivity
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
highlight
the
art
glass
window
is
the
whole
window.
It's
not
just
a
little
Medallion,
it
is
that
quarter,
inch
glass
and
it's
the
whole
thing.
It's
not
just
so.
Saving
the
one
Medallion
part
all
right,
but
is
it
sensitive
I,
don't
know?
H
H
You
had
mentioned
that
earlier
and
so
I
again,
like
I,
just
want
to
make
sure
that,
because
it's
such
a
huge
window
program,
because
it's
on
a
landmark
that
we're
making
sure
that
all
the
due
diligence
has
been
done
and
presented
and
again
the
art
class
window
is
the
whole
window
and
one
option
I,
don't
know
if
you
all
have
already
considered
this
is
going
ahead
and
resementing
the
window.
It
means
taking
it
the
whole
thing
out,
take
it
to
a
studio,
flattening
it.
H
You
know
taking
off
the
canes
and
re-cementing
it
and
then
reinstalling
it
with
the
pain
of
protective
glazing.
That's
vented
the
operability,
then
that's
a
that's
another
thing
to
consider,
of
course,
whether
it's
casements
or
what,
but
again
it's
just
because
of
the
level
of
of
what
of
the
house
and
the
significance
of
the
house
itself,
but
it
really
needs
to
be
considered
carefully
all
the
options.
N
Just
wanted
to
make
a
comment
as
a
commissioner,
but
also
a
homeowner
I
also
have
a
landmark
home
built
in
1867..
We
are
currently
taking
windows
out
one
by
one
and
restoring
them,
and
it's
so
I
can
totally
I'm
sympathetic
to
this,
because
it's
can
be
expensive.
It's
hard
not
to
have
functioning
windows
that
either
leak
or
don't
open
or
whatever
and
I.
Don't
have
the
knowledge
of
some
of
these
other
folks,
in
terms
of
like
Solutions,
like
I,
can't
really
help
you
there,
but
I
will
say
like
just
from
personal
story.
N
We
also
we
have.
We
don't
have
the
same
windows,
but
we
do
have
stained
glass
windows
and
it's
part
of
the
house.
They
did
when
we
have
their
unusual
shapes,
they're
very
large,
so
the
very
pricey
to
do
things
to
we
have
like
a
storm
overlay
or
they
like
drill
them
in
just
I
mean
you
can
kind
of
see
the
Border
as
a
storm,
but
it
does
help
with
like
the
winterizing
of
the
house,
which
is
a
huge
issue
for
these
big
old
homes
with
leaky
windows.
N
So
I
just
wanted
to
say
I
totally
I'm,
sympathetic
and
but
I
also
want
to
see
your
home.
You
know
retain
some
of
the
historical
significance
and
probably
the
reason
you
bought
it
I'm
sure
it
was
very
charming
and
something
that
you
really
liked
when
you
saw
the
house
so
I
just
wanted
to
chime
in
and
say,
I
feel
a
little
conflicted,
but
I
do
want
you
to
get
the
best
outcome
in
terms
of
the
way
it
looks
in
the
end.
F
I
want
to
make
one
more
suggestion,
and-
and
that
would
be
if
the
storm
panel
energy
panel
solution,
maybe
isn't
working
for
one
reason
or
another
and
I'm
curious.
If
my
other
Commissioners
would
agree
with
this,
that
would
we
be
interested
in
it's
a
it's,
a
simple
double
pane
window
replacement.
F
Maybe
it's
an
all
wood
window
instead
of
a
clad
window,
because
what
I'm
going
to
suggest
is
that,
rather
than
repair
or
re,
furnish
every
leaded
glass
window
and
sash,
that's
on
the
house
now,
if
they're
in
good
enough
shape-
and
you
don't
need
them
to
block
the
wind,
did
they
just
simply
become
the
the
storm
panel
in
front
of
the
double
glazed
window
and
they're
clipped
into
a
wood
jam,
so
kind
of
simulating
the
energy
panel
solution?
And
maybe
this
is
a
less
expensive
solution.
I
I,
don't
know
just
throwing
it
out
there.
D
J
F
J
C
E
I'm
struggling
because
I
don't
know
that
I
necessarily
see
the
value
in
continuing
it,
Mike
versus
just
reapplying
and
there's
not
there's
not
like
addition,
there's
no
additional
fees
for
reapplying
I.
Just
if,
if
you
don't
know
the
timeline,
I
think
it
does
make
it
difficult
to
continue
it
versus
just
just
reapplying.
B
Yeah
yeah,
so
there's
no
action
and
there
will
be
a
new
application
based
on
the
information
that
the
commission
was
able
to
share
with
the
applicant.
B
So
the
project
has
been
withdrawn,
correct,
so
we're
going
to
go
back
to
all
business
2306
Harrison,
Street,
landmark
building
case
number
23
press
zero,
zero
one
zero,
my
Hauser
architect
applicant,
submit
for
a
certificate
of
Providence
to
demolish
an
existing
single
story,
real
volume,
Edition
and
construct
a
new
two
and
one
half
story:
Edition
at
the
homes,
rear
and
side
volumes
and
alter
the
homes
fenestration
at
the
west
elevation.
J
My
only
point
on
this
was
that
we
pulled
this
back
from
the
side
yard
in
a
couple
different
ways.
The
primary
volume
came
back,
but
also
we
articulated
a
little
bit
of
the
program
with
just
a
simple
Bay,
which
I
think
helped
the
elevation
a
lot,
but
it
also
lets
us
keep
our
program
pretty
much
exactly
like.
It
was
that's
what
I
wanted
to
point
out
in
this
one,
so
we
can
go
to
the
exterior
elevations.
Now.
J
I
need
to
see
this
drawing
with
the
drawing
below
it,
so
maybe
a
little
less
so
one
of
the
you
know
some
of
the
comments
had
to
do
with
the
roof
line
here
the
Ridgeline
being
dominant
to
the
original
structure,
and
some
of
this
was
tied
into
you-
know
the
desire
of
the
homeowner
to
make
use
of
the
attic
as
a
as
a
much
more
of
a
functional
space.
So
we
had
maximize
some
Headroom.
We
looked
at
things.
J
You
know
a
lot
differently
through
the
LA
over
the
last
month
and
brought
that
Ridgeline
down
to
match.
So
what
this
is
a
lot
of
Fallout
from
the
plan,
but
we
were
able
to
I'll
just
say
we
were
able
to
make
it
work.
This
is
the
elevation
that
was
seeming.
You
know
too
large
too
too,
looming
relative
to
the
original.
J
J
We
get
some
additional
detail
in
the
form
of
a
bay
which
allows
us
to
utilize
some
more
of
the
design
features
from
the
original
house
like
the
scalloped
or
the
the
fish
scale
at
the
at
the
Eve
we've
got.
It
gives
us
opportunity
to
do
that
on
this
side.
I,
don't
think
I
want
to
go
into
this
side
yet,
but
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
page,
the
next
elevation
would
be
something
like
this.
J
This
is
that
that
bay,
that
we're
using
to
kind
of
break
down
the
massing
of
that
you
can
see
that
the
ridge
lines
will
match
in
the
back.
We
brought
this
Ridge
line
down.
We
also
looked
much
more
at
length
at
the
Victorian
stick
style
and
some
of
the
features
that
are
predominant
with
that.
We
also
looked
at
these
kitchen
windows
and
the
scale
shift
that
was
going
on
Stuart.
J
You
brought
up
the
and
brought
them
hopefully
much
more
in
line
with
the
rest
of
the
windows
when
I
think
we
had
three
pairs
of
Windows
here
before
we
brought.
Those
in
were
also
I
believe
from
the
last
presentation.
Work
we've
punched,
this
volume,
which
is
just
a
it's,
it's
a
little
bit
less.
So
what
it
does
is
it
just
brings
the
scale
of
everything
down,
and
this
projecting
Gable
doesn't
read
so
large,
but
it
also
gave
us
less
wall
space.
So
we
went
to
three
Windows.
J
Instead
of
a
pair
three
pairs,
we
got
rid
of
this
swoop
roof,
which
you
can
see.
That
was
not
something
we
ever
saw
with
the
Victorian
stick
style
and
instead,
with
the
ground
floor
entry,
we
went
with
a
smaller
Gable
there's
some
features
here
that
could
Echo.
What's
above,
we
have
a
simplified
Gable
truss.
J
We
also
have
the
the
clear
story
window,
which
will
keep
what
we
were
originally
after,
which
is
views
from
inside
into
the
yard.
So
this
window
right
here
is
actually
you
know
at
eye
level
when
you're
inside
the
house
the
second
floor
steps
back,
but
it
reads,
as
part
of
you
know
this
whole
volume
and
it's
articulated
with
some
of
the
trims
so
that
we
can
get
some
more
of
that.
J
That
feature
that
we
all
love,
which
is
this
the
fish
scale,
siding
it
meant
a
little
bit
different
roof
up
here,
but
that's
I
think
we're
all
good
with
that
on
our
on
our
end
of
things,
and
then
you
can
see
that
that
Gable
from
the
back
side
as
well.
That
would
just
help
to
kind
of
provide
more
more
visual
interest
in
the
back
of
the
house.
J
So
if
we
go
back
to
the
to
the
it's
the
west
side,
which
is
up
here,
what
we're
doing
here
is
really
trying
to
keep
a
consistent
gutter
line.
You
know,
one
of
the
comments
was,
you
know:
we're
real
strong
through
here
we're
real
strong
in
the
back.
Let's
bring
it
all
across
here
now
we
don't
have
that
big
Gable
that
was
over
here,
because
we
don't
need
it.
We're
not.
J
You
know
providing
this
staircase
basically
up
to
the
attic,
but
we
are
shifting,
it
doesn't
read
as
well,
but
the
this
is
a
shed
Dormer
that
allows
us
to
pitch
this
to
maintain
that
that
gutter
line
and
get
our
head
height
with
the
windows
on
the
from
the
inside
we've
done
some
other
stuff.
That's
just
sort
of
subtle.
J
We've
got
rid
of
some
detail
that
I
think
was
a
good
call
to
to
just
work
within
what
is
more
of
a
practical
set
of
design
tools
than
replicate
what
the
homeowner
had
said.
This
is.
This
was
a
later
addition.
They
don't
know
if
it's
original
to
the
house
so
rather
than
you
know,
repeat
it
over
here,
we're
just
going
to
bring
that
that
band
around
and
kind
of
work
with
a
more
simple
design
language,
and
so
those
were
the
those
were
the
big
changes.
J
Everything
else
is
just
an
interior.
Well,
not
just,
but
everyone.
Everything
else
was
an
interior
challenge,
but
I
think
we're
very
happy.
On
our
end
of
how
that
worked
out
and
I
look
forward
to
your
comments,
thanks.
H
H
No
I
just
wanted
to
comment
that
I
think
that
the
the
use
of
the
bay
and
the
minimizing
the
extension
into
that
side
yard
works
really
well.
I
think
that
bay
is
a
great
solution
thanks.
A
Looking
at
the
plans,
the
blank
wall
of
the
bay
is
the
bed
wall
in
the
bedroom
above
and
I
assume
we're
the
big
screen.
Tv
goes
that's
right.
Anybody
want
to
comment
on
the
horizontal
strip
windows
which
are
high
in
the
rooms.
A
F
So
if
we're
deliberating.
F
It's
not
uncommon
that
we
see
that
on
like
a
funky
Victorian,
particularly
on
a
bay
or
over
a
stairwell,
or
something
like
that,
given
the
functionality
on
the
on
the
other
side,
I'm
I'm.
Okay,
with
that.
B
So
we
television
you're,
referring
to
the.
I
J
N
J
No,
these
are,
this
is
an
awning
window.
Oh.
A
Any
other
questions
or
comments
from
the
okay
it
was
I've
lost
track.
Was
that
the
question
part
do
we
now
have
discussion
and
deliberation?
Okay
thanks.
F
So
I
I
think
this
is
a
is
a
markedly
better
solution.
I
really
like
the
the
shed
Dormer,
what
they
did
on
one
side,
I
like
what
you
did
with
the
with
the
bay
on
the
other
side
and
and
from
from
the
front,
and
even
at
oblique
angles.
F
I
Yeah
I
would
also
agree
with
I
mean
because
we
asked
for
Stan
what
was
it
standards,
8,
10
and
12
and
I
think
that
those
all
were
addressed
in
this
new
design
as
well.
So.
N
I,
just
I
I'm
supposed
to
stay
for
the
record.
I
wasn't
here
in
February,
but
I
did
read
the
deliberation
so
I'm
familiar
with
it
and
I
did
look
at
the
previous
plans
and
these
plans
and
I
also
think
it's
an
improvement
on
the
last
iteration.
F
Sure
regarding
2306
Harrison,
Street
Landmark
case
23,
pres
0010
I,
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
an
existing
single
story,
rear
volume,
Edition
and
construct
a
new
two
and
one
half
story:
Edition
at
the
home's
rear
and
side
volumes
and
alter
the
homeless
administration
at
the
west.
Elevation
applicable
standards,
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration,
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
G
A
Mike:
okay:
we
next
have
approval
of
the
minutes
of
February
15th.
Yes,
there's
discussion,
but
no
vote
will
be
taken.
B
Was
just
so
this
is
for
Action
the
commission
discussed
and
review
written
changes
to
the
rules
and
procedures
at
the
February
15
2023.
Meeting
action
is
required
at
this
meeting
per
article
10
of
the
current
rules
and
procedures.
B
E
They
can
make,
they
can
make
changes
to
them
and
I
mean
the
last
time
it
seemed
like
the
one
kind
of
discomfort
was
changing,
how
cases
or
processed
the
procedure
requiring
a
motion
before
deliberation.
I.
F
E
I
I
did
do
a
little
more
research
on
it.
There
is
there's
something
called
like
a
friendly
amendment
process,
which
is
something
that
we
we
kind
of
do
already
in
that
we
offer
Solutions
and
assuming
the
person
that
made
the
original
motion.
It
doesn't
object
to
that.
Then
that
can
just
become
the
motion
which
is
kind
of
the
norm
now,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
as
formal
as
making
motions
to
amend,
necessarily.
I
E
N
E
I
didn't
see
it
included
in
this
packet,
but
before
there
was
like
a
redlined
version
in
the
the
previous
packet,
but
some
are
really
benign,
so,
like
one
of
the
first
ones,
is
the
nomination
process
for
officers.
E
What
was
in
the
rules
conflicted
with
the
ordinance
of
the
ordinance
actually
spells
out
when
that
should
occur.
So
that's
just
making
sure
there's
a
line.
There
was
some
more
wholesale
changes
in
article
three
committees.
It
was
removal
of
all
the
previous
committees
that
had
been
relatively
inactive
and
then
incorporating
some
new
committees
that
are
intended
to
achieve
some
of
the
goals
and
objectives
of
the
of
the
long-range
plans.
E
So
that
kind
of
cleans
that
up
and
then
having
an
education
and
advocacy
committee
that
looks
at
specifically
moving
in
forward
or
advancing
the
specific
initiatives
so
that
we're
a
part
of
this
annual
work
plan,
which
was
I,
think
it
was
the
quarterly
newsletter
and
then
some
like
training,
Publications
and
then
also
this
diversity
committee,
which
would
look
at
actively
recruiting
Commissioners,
which
I
think
is
also
achieved.
Some
of
those
goals
and
then
look
at.
E
E
We
completely
struck
the
section
on
reconsideration
of
applications.
That
was
something
that
was
a
little
bit
messy.
Where
I,
don't
it
it
somewhat
conflicts
with
the
ordinance
and
the
process
that
an
applicant
is
is
supposed
to
go
through
or
a
case
should
either
be
continued.
If
you
don't
have
enough
information
or
if
it
doesn't
meet
the
standards
it
should,
it
should
be
denied
or
they
should
be
asked
to
come
back
with
revisions
or
they
can
appeal
if
it
is
denied.
E
So
there's
already
a
process
in
there
in
in
that
I
think
was
only
used
once
in
the
last
30
years
since
you've
been
here,
and
it
was
not
a
very
clear
process
that
we
had
to
go
through.
It
was
really
very
strange.
I
think
it
would
have
been
ideal
for
them
to
just
reapply
it
would
have
been.
It
would
have
been
easier.
So
getting
rid
of
that.
E
There's
a
section
under
certificate
of
appropriateness,
reviews
so
kind
of
the
rules
of
circumstance
for
the
commission
under
major
work
projects
that
allows
the
application
pre-review
subcommittee
to
defer
projects
back
to
staff
administratively,
which
is
something
that
we've
somewhat
done
in
practice
already.
It's
just
hasn't
been
in
the
in
the
rules.
There
was
one
change
in
the
rules
of
circumstance,
number
38
alteration,
Edition,
removal
of
exterior
building
materials.
E
It
was
listed
as
a
minor
work
only
and
that
was
changed
to
minor
work
or
Commission
review
and
then
there's
a
change
under
article
7
removal
of
a
property
from
Landmark
status
that
talks
about
in
instances
of
when
someone
proposes
demolition
of
an
individual
Landmark
that
they
would
also
apply
for
rescission.
E
Concurrently,
because
there's
been
instances
in
the
past,
where
demolitions
have
been
approved
in
the
landmark
Precision,
which
runs
with
the
property,
not
the
building
is
still
in
effect
and
there's
a
separate
set
of
Standards,
so
they
should
and
that
there's
a
separate
process
too.
So
rescission
is
a
public
hearing
which
is
a
whole
different
notification
procedure
where
a
demolition
is
just
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
so
including
that
I
think
clarifies
some
or
fills
some
holes
and
clarifies
aspects
of
the
ordinance
itself.
E
Wholesale
removal
of
the
solar
guidelines
from
the
commission,
as
there
are
from
the
rules
and
procedures
as
they're
adopted
in
the
ordinance
by
reference.
The
commission
has
the
ability
to
adopt
its
own
guidelines.
Various
guidelines
so
that'll
be
a
standalone
document.
E
And
then,
in
addition,
under
article
9,
no
no
article
10.,
which
I
think
I
change
article
11,
requiring
annual
report
in
by
the
commission
to
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
as
part
of
the
rules
and
procedures.
I
think
that's.
It.
N
Okay,
I
just
have
a
question
on
it's
page,
82
and
then
I
also
saw
it
on
the
annual
review
page
92.,
the
pre-review
subcommittee.
It
talks
about
some
major
work,
going
back
to
administrative
review
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
know
like
understand
more
about
that.
Has
that
already
been
happening
or
does
stuff
are
always
made.
Your
work
always
come
to
come
here,
or
has
it
been
bounced
back
to
you
before,
like
just
informally,
it's.
E
It's
happened
occasionally,
so
the
the
pre-review
committee
now
is
compressive,
like
the
officers
of
the
commission
right
now,
there's
been
instances
where
as
much
as
you
can,
as
you
can
try
to
make
that
list
and
that
matrices
be
like
include
every
scope
of
work
and
intensity
of
work
it
just
the
reality
is
that
there
are
things
that
are
triggered
in
that
Matrix
as
as
being
major
work.
That
should
go
the
commission
that
really
aren't
major
work.
N
Okay,
so
that
I
guess
was
my
concern
was
I.
Definitely
think
this
commission
should
be
doing
me.
The
major
work
review.
That's
the
point
of
it,
but
I
guess
you're
saying
that's
just
there
are
some
things
that
are:
maybe
not
they
fall
under
major
work,
but
maybe
don't
really
meet.
Aren't
large
enough.
Maybe
for
us
to
consider
in
a
way
like
is
that
yeah.
E
And
I
think
some
of
this
came
about
as
just
like
efficiency,
for
the
commission
is
how
many
things
do
you
bring
in
front
of
this
body
and
require
homeowners
to
come
before
this
body
and
pay
someone
to
prepare
the
application
when
it's
a
very
minor
change
and
I
think
that
that
discretion
has
been
I?
Think
that
whenever
something
is
endowed
at
the
subcommittee
like?
Is
it
or
isn't
it?
It's
always
gone
in
front
of
the
commission
and
I
think
that'll
move
forward.
G
Just
comment
on
that,
because
I've
been
on
that
pre-review
committee,
when
I
was
the
chair,
Stewart's
been
on
it
a
lot
Julie
was
on
it
before
when
she
was
a
commissioner.
It's
usually
related
to
window
projects
where
it's
like
a
very
small
change,
that's
very
sensitive
to
a
building
in
most
likely
an
area
that
is
not
highly
visible.
G
Anything
that's
like
an
addition,
or
anything.
That's
major
is
definitely
coming
to
this
commission.
We
did
not
take
that
Liberty
lightly
and
I.
Think
keg
can
agree
that
I
was
very
particular
about,
like
with
the
pre-review
I,
think
they're
particular
about
when
that
happens.
So
I
don't
think
in
any
way.
You
should
think
that
that's
being
abused,
it's
definitely
an
only
appropriate
circumstances
where
I
think
the
pre-review
Comm
committee
feels
that
we're
not
overstepping
anything
that
this
body
would
want
to
review.
N
That's
helpful,
I
guess:
is
there
a
way
or
maybe
I'm
not
reading
it
right
to
Define?
Maybe
those
types
of
projects
that
would
skip
major
review.
I
understand
people
have
been
really
careful
to
date,
but
just
to
set
sort
of
some
sort
of
standard
as
to
the
types
of
things
or
you
know
if
there's
a
way
to
define
or
clarify
like
those
things
that
go
to
administrator
review,
that
don't
come
here
like
I'm.
N
E
E
I
think
it
would
be
hard
to
say,
like
oh
there's,
a
percentage
of
like
the
window
program,
that's
being
replaced
that
isn't
or
something
that
would
draw
that
distinction.
I!
Think
that
we
could
separate
those
things
and
track
what
kind
of
cases
are
being
deferred
so
that
we
have
a
better
knowledge
like
next
year
when
we
look
at
it
like.
Oh,
it's
always
been
single
window
replacements
or
something,
and
then
that
might
be
an
occasion
to
actually
insert
something
or
revise
that
Matrix.
A
major
first
minor
work,
yeah.
A
Yeah,
the
other
thing
that's
been
routinely
referred
is
signing
replacement
and
the
commission
is
already
but
approved
the
use
of
Hardie
board
siding,
which
is
a
cement
board,
siding
so
that
the
only
thing
you
want
to
know
is
you
know
if
it's
a
four
inch
exposure,
are
they
replacing
it
with
four
inch
exposure
and
that's
something
that
can
be
looked
at
administratively
and
then
approved.
N
E
A
Is
there
anyone
who
has
never
done
it?
Who
would
like
to
do
that.
A
Yeah
I
mean
there
are
two
things
that
happen
in
the
process.
One
is
if
there's
missing
information
or
information
that
the
commission
should
have
that's
not
been
provided.
Then
it's
an
opportunity
for
Carlos
and
Kate
to
go
back
to
the
applicant
and
say
you
know.
Please
do
this.
If
there
are
drawings
that
are
obviously
missing,
then
it's
an
opportunity
to
identify
what
those
are
and
ask
the
applicant
to
submit
them,
and
it's
also
an
opportunity
to
say
you
know
that
you
know,
even
though
you've
referred
this
for
pre-review,
it's
something
that
the
commission
feel.
E
No,
they
they
look
at
each
okay.
So
three.
H
G
B
In
my
opinion,
it
also
helps
Commissioners
to
become
more
and
more
experts
in
the
field
by
looking
at
different
projects
and
between
conversation
with
staff
or
among
themselves.
You
know,
there's
things
that
could
be
clarified
easily
and
bring
that
to
the
applicant
to
make
sure
that
they
have
a
better
application.
So
that's
part
of
it.
G
I
would
just
also
just
stress,
though
anyone
that's
wanting
to
do
this.
It
should
be
solely
just
based
on
completion
of
the
application,
not
based
on
any
discussion
of
what
should
be
changed
or
what
which
is
harder
than
you
think,
when
you're
looking
at
an
application
with
fellow
Commissioners,
but
it
should
be
solely
on
completeness.
E
E
G
Commissioner,
hacker
and
I
used
to
do
it
virtually
with
staff
and
then
I
think
it
got
so
regular
that
we
then
started
doing
it
later,
just
via
email,
where
we
submit
our
comments
via
email,
Stuart
and
I
have
done
it
where
we
just,
then
we
both
see
each
other's
emails.
We
either
concur
with
or
ADD,
and
so
it's
a
fairly
straightforward
process.
N
It
sounds
like
a
few
people
have
been
doing
that
work
every
month
and
then
also
just
I.
Think
it's
nice
to
get
to
know
you
guys
on
a
just,
not
here
every
month,
like
the
smaller
group.
I
think
that
would
be,
you
know,
help
maybe
help
everyone
work
better
together
and
understand
how
everyone
works,
so
I'm
I'm
for
that.
If
I
don't
know,
if
we
put
it
in
here
or
we
just
informally,
do
it
but
I
like
that
idea.
B
H
B
I
think
we
did
that
before
the
pandemic.
We
actually
had
meetings
in
person.
We
had
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
have
more
than
is
allowed
without
having
that
meaning
so
I
think
initially
we
kind
of
learned
how
to
not
re
redesign,
or
we
just
had
to
tell
them
what
needs
to
be
completed
so
that
the
commission
can
review
it
with
information
that
is
going
to
help
them.
B
N
B
I'm,
sorry
and
I'm.
Sorry
about
that.
What
happened
was
that
I
was
losing
the
format
from
the
previous
meeting
and
I
forgot
to
delete
that
sentence
which
is
from
the
previous
one,
so
so
that
one,
including
Amanda,
so.
B
B
B
All
right,
so
the
next
item
is
discussion-
preservation,
Commission
on
the
report.
This
is
for
fiscal
year.
2022
and
I
will
ask
Kate
to
go
over
the
annual
report.
E
E
This
kind
of
goes
back
to
some
of
the
objectives
in
the
plan
and
providing
transparency
in
the
work
that
this
group
does,
and
also
kind
of
benchmarking,
its
its
activities
to
I
think
be
better
year
to
year
and
understand
really
how
we
function
as
a
body
I'll
run
through
this
really
quickly,
because
I
want
to
leave
some
time
for
for
questions,
and
a
lot
of
this
is
is
not
necessarily
important
for
you.
This
will
be
presented
to
the
Planning
and
Development
Committee
at
the
end
of
April.
E
That's
the
committee
subcommittee
of
city
council
that
we
report
to
directly-
and
it
is
somewhat
lengthy,
I
think
this
is
a
lengthier
annual
report
this
time
because
of
the
significant
work
that
this
group
has
done,
especially
over
the
last
two
years,
so
I'll
kind
of
skip
ahead.
I
won't
talk
about
the
structure
or
the
composition
of
the
the
body,
as
we
know
that
pretty
well
I
think
we're
well
aware
of
the
vacancies
we
have
two.
Currently.
We
also
have
two
upcoming
in
September
this
one,
how
many
meetings
were
held.
E
Last
year
we
held
11
regular,
scheduled
meetings.
We
had
two
formal
subcommittee
meetings
with
more
than
three
Commissioners.
Those
were
for
development
of
the
long-range
plan
itself.
We
had
10
working
group
meetings,
I
think
three
of
those
were
for
the
long
range
plan
and
seven
of
those
were
for
the
Legacy
business
working
group.
A
Okay,
can
I
ask
a
question
going
back
to
two,
which
is
vacancies
and
pending
vacancies.
I
know,
appointments
are
for
two
terms.
Can
somebody
who
served
years
ago
that
might
be
interested
in
serving
again
come
back
to
the
commission.
E
So,
that's
that's
not
how
the
ordinance
is
is
written.
Oh
okay,
I
think
there
are,
you
know,
Carlos
might
be
able
to
speak
to
instances
where
that
has
happened
in
the
past,
but
that's
not
what
the
ordinance
says.
It
says
that
you
can
only
serve
too
okay,
two
terms.
B
We
have
some
Commissioners
that
were
active
in
the
80s,
come
back
in
their
late
90s
or
early
2000s,
and
they
were
appointed
again.
So
we
can
double
check
with
the
little
Department
if
that
would
be
feasible.
N
Kate,
have
we
had
additional
applications
for
the
we.
E
Have
one
application
that's
kind
of
pending
and
in
the
process
and
I've
not
been
made
aware
of
any
others?
Okay,.
E
Five
is
just
asked
if
this
commission
achieves
its
work
through
staff
support.
The
answer
is
yes.
Talks
about
the
commission's
budget.
I
had
to
do
some
research
on
this.
The
commission
used
to
have
a
budget
in
the
in
about
the
1980s
late.
1980S
was
the
last
time
it
had
a
budget
at
its
highest
point.
It
was
about
thirty
thousand
dollars.
It's
operated
without
a
budget
for
about
30
to
40
years.
Now.
What.
E
Primarily
for
it
for
Education
work,
so
it
was
a
preparation
of
like
Outreach
materials
brochures
for
homeowners,
how
to
navigate
the
application
process.
Technical
assistance
brochures
as
well
as
I,
think
to
support
staff
time.
There's
a
lot
of
education
and
advocacy
work,
especially
in
the
school
district
in
the
70s
and
80s
that
occurred
and.
E
E
This
one
I
think
is
always
interesting
for
people
number
two.
How
many
properties
of
commission
have
purview
over
the
city
really
has
a
remarkable
body
of
an
in
history
of
of
preservation
and
has
only
about
850
registered
local
landmarks.
I
think
about
830
of
those
are
individual
landmarks
outside
of
a
district,
and
then,
if
you
incorporate
all
the
local
districts,
the
commission
has
purview
over
about
2500
total
properties,
which
is
about
10
of
the
property
in
the
city.
E
The
next
steps
talked
about
what
the
commission's
objectives
are
for
the
upcoming
year:
I'll
skip
ahead
to
that
that's
or
I'm.
Sorry,
what
major
accomplishments
the
commission
undertook
in
the
previous
year.
E
It
lists
both
really
the
the
primary
one
was
development
of
the
2040
plan,
but
it
also
looks
at
various
initiatives
that
are
currently
in
progress
that
includes
adaptive
use
code,
the
Legacy
Business
program
in
partnership
with
the
Economic
Development
Division,
the
preservation,
Consortium
or
preservation
advisory
subcommittee.
That's
something
that
is
currently
in
effect
actively
recruiting
commissioners
advocating
for
adoption
of
a
city-wide
deconstruction
ordinance.
There's
been
some
progress
on
that
and
then
also
supporting
retention
of
significant
landscape
features.
There's
currently
a
city-wide
tree
preservation
ordinance,
that's
in
the
works
in
the
environment
board.
E
We
also
re-surveyed
the
downtown
that
lists
a
brief
summary
of
that
which
was
presented
previously
and
then
talks
about
upcoming
initiatives
which
are
reinstating
the
quarterly
newsletter
as
really
the
primary
kind
of
Outreach
platform
for
this
commission
and
then
also
preparation
of
training,
Publications.
E
And
then
I'll
skip
ahead
to
number
c
letter
C
performance
of
the
commission's
regulatory
framework.
I
think
this
includes
a
lot
of
data
and
interesting
features
for
the
commission,
so
I'll
start
with
2022,
which
there
were
243
preservation
reviews
that
was
down
from
the
previous
year,
but
as
you'll
see
on
a
on
a
similar
page,
it's
actually
been
relatively
steady
over
the
last
five
years
of
those
reviews.
27
were
brought
to
the
commission,
so
that's
about
well
I,
guess
29.
We're
brought
to
the
commission
two
with
Drew.
E
So
that's
about
12
of
total
cases
which
come
to
the
commission
and
then
of
those
none
were
denied.
19
were
approved
and
eight
were
approved
with
conditions.
Approval
with
conditions
is
something
that's
been
relatively
recent
and
I
think
it's
been
pretty
effective
instead
of
continuing
cases,
and
then
it
had
a
breakdown
of
the
types
of
work
of
those
29
cases
that
were
brought
before
the
commission.
E
This
chart's
a
little
misleading
in
that
there's
no
single
type
of
work
for
each
case,
often
cases
that
are
brought
before
you
include
various
scopes
of
work,
but
the
most
frequent
were
new
additions
and
then
alteration
to
the
fenestration
of
the
existing
structure
and
that's
been
mostly
related
to
the
addition
itself
and
then
the
corresponding
interior
renovation
that
that's
occurring
there's
also
been
a
decent
amount
of
demolition
of
existing
additions,
in
that
the
new
editions
that
are
proposed
often
replace
the
smaller
or
or
not
well-designed
future
of
the
home.
E
And
then
this
one
we
look
at
year-to-year
commission
case
review
comparison.
I
think
this
goes
back
to
some
of
the
the
changes
that
we
made
somewhat
recently
in
the
past
three
years
to
try
to
create
more
efficiency.
The
types
of
cases
first
that
are
that
are
brought
in
front
of
the
commission
and
then
the
number
of
cases
that
are
continued.
So
you
can
see
in
2017
through
2020.
E
Really
the
big
thing
to
look
at
here
is
a
number
of
cases
that
were
continued
and
that
were
reheard.
So
it
was
not
infrequent,
and
you
know
three
of
those
four
instances
either
very
close
to
or
over
100
cases
a
year
were
reviewed
by
the
commission
compared
to
2021
and
2022,
where
there
were
just
over
40
and
then
I
mean
just
under
40
and
then
just
under
30.,
so
39
and
29.
E
And
then,
when
you
look
at
the
year-to-year
overall
case
review
comparison
on
the
next
page,
you'll
see
that
it's
relatively
it's
been
relatively
steady
actually
over
the
last
five
years,
so
there's
some
spikes
in
in
2017
and
2020
and
then
a
low
Point
somewhat
in
2018.
But
the
overall
case
review
is
relatively
stable.
You'll
see
the
big
difference
here
is
the
percentage
of
cases
that
went
in
front
of
the
commissions
of
2017.
E
E
I
think
it
yeah
it.
It
aligns
with
some
changes
that
were
made
to
the
rules
and
procedures
in
2020
to
allow
more
administrative
reviews
and
then
also
kind
of
more
effective
facilitation
of
that
pre-review
subcommittee,
I.
Think
and
then
also
just
removing
the
amount
of
times
that
we
continue.
Cases
has
also
freed
up
some
space
at
the
commission
level.
B
Our
practice
is
that
if
we
have
any
doubt,
if
we're
not
sure
we
will
consult
with
the
chair
before
we
decide
one
way
or
the
other,
the
ones
that
are
necessarily
part
of
the
pre-review,
but
some
projects
that
are
sort
of
in
the
cusp
of
one
way
or
the
other.
So
we
definitely
take
it
very
seriously
seriously
because
we
want
to
maintain
the
Integrity
of
the
office
and
the
confidence
that
the
chair
of
the
commission
has
on
staff.
So
that's
a
very
high
priority
for
us.
E
I
think
another
kind
of
misconception-
probably
not
for
this
commission
but
for
the
public-
is
that
they
assume
the
administrative
review
has
a
separate
set
of
standards
that
we
use
or
separate
considerations
or
we
don't
apply
the
same
standards.
We
apply
the
same
standards
that
the
commission
applies
for
every
case
that
we
review.
E
This
is
something
that
was
specifically
asked
for
I
think
the
common
standards
of
concern.
So
we
were
able
to
look
at
out
of
the
number
of
cases
that
were
approved
with
conditions
in
the
in
2022.
E
What
standards
were
frequently
cited
to
enforce
those
conditions,
so
standards
for
alteration,
number
two,
which
talks
about
distinguishing
original
qualities
or
character
of
a
property
number
five,
the
distinctive
stylistic
features
materials
and
finishes
should
be
treated
with
sensitivity.
Number
six
was
the
most
frequently
used
deteriorate.
Architectural
feature
should
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
wherever
possible,
and
then,
when
we
look
at
standards
for
construction,
it
was
number
two
proportion
of
facades
number
three
proportion
of
openings.
E
Those
are
somewhat
related
number
four
rhythm
of
solids,
devoids
and
facades,
also
related
rhythm
of
entrance
purchase
and
then
relationship
with
materials
and
textures.
So
these
were
the
most
frequent
standards
that
were
cited
to
enforce
conditions.
No
cases
were
denied
in
2022
and
no
cases
were
repealed.
E
Yes,
this
section
e
adequacy
of
public
participation.
We
don't
receive
a
lot
of
in-person
testimony
at
this
commission.
That's
really
kind
of
related,
most
frequently
to
like
new,
freestanding
constr
construction
or
when
demolitions
are
proposed.
In
2022
we
had
40
written
comments
and
only
13
residents
have
provided
in-person.
Testimony
kind
of
what's
Happening.
Behind
the
scenes
is
that
staff
between
Colorado
Carlos
and
I,
we
we
fielded
400
requests
for
technical
assistance
in
2022.
E
Correct
yeah:
that's
just
someone
seeking
guidance
like
preliminary
guidance,
guidance
on
seeking,
like
restoration
professionals
or
seeking
you
know,
contractors
that
have
performed
work
successfully
or
Architects
that
come
before
the
commission.
Frequently
yeah.
It's
really
a
wide
array
and
that's
phone
calls
and
that's
emails
and
all
those
things
are
logged
separately
by
us.
B
So,
basically,
a
service
that
we
provide
to
the
community
answering
questions
from
you
know
the
Architects
or
the
homeowners
or
contractors.
Some
of
them
haven't
been
in
front
of
the
condition
they
want
to
know.
What's
the
process,
you
know
what
materials
are
necessary
for
an
application
things
like
that.
We
just
give
them
information.
E
I
thought
the
stat
was
a
really.
It
was
pretty
interesting
and
it'd
be
interesting
to
look
back
at
the
previous
years,
but
in
2022
the
commission
met
for
just
over
25
hours
between
the
11
regularly
scheduled
meetings
and
then
for
those
that
sat
on
the
subcommittees
in
the
working
groups.
An
additional
22
hours.
E
And
then
I'll
skip
down
to
the
Outlook.
This
is
something
really
I
think
this
is
a
very
important
section
if
you
wanted
to
add
input
when
this
goes
to
the
Planning
Development
Committee.
But
this
looks
at
what
concerns
the
commission
has
that
they
want
to
bring
to
the
city
council's
attention.
These
were
really
they
were
kind
of
broached
by
staff
and
then
kind
of
massaged
by
the
chair.
So
one
was
commissioner
recruitment
in
just
limited,
volunteer
Capital.
E
So
how
much
you
know
effort
somebody
can
give
when
they're
already,
you
know
reviewing
caseload,
and
there
were
some
suggestions
here.
So
one
goes
back
to
what
commissioner
Cohen
was
saying
so
finding
a
way
to
allow
former
Commissioners
to
serve
again
opening
membership
to
those
who
don't
live
in
Evanston,
but
work
in
Evanston.
That's
something!
That's
pretty
frequent!
E
We
have
quite
a
few
members
that
have
architecture
offices
in
Evanston
that
they've
had
for
20
30
years,
but
they
don't
live
in
Evanston
and
they've
asked
to
serve
and
they're
not
able
to,
and
then
also
allowing
the
commission
to
appoint,
associate
Commissioners.
Who
would
be
non-voting
members
who
would
help
really
facilitate
some
of
the
working
group
and
subcommittees
and
that's
a
pretty
common
practice
across
the
country
that
that
we
actually
used
to
have
here?
E
N
E
Yeah
there's
a
there
was
a
recent
like
Roundtable
article
about
the
efforts
in
the
past
for
a
Northwest,
Evanston
historic
district
I
think
it
would
yeah
it
would
be
much
in
the
same
way
as
an
individual
nomination.
There's
there's
a
report,
that's
required
by
this
commission
and
that's
transmitted
to
city
council
but
I
think
in
the
past.
Sometimes
it's
just
been
really
passively
handed
off
to
them
and
it's
not
been
actually
presented
in
terms
of
like
testimony
or
actually
coming
before
that
body.
As
a
commission
is.
N
E
That
I
think
that's
I
think
the
only
reason
that
that's
the
only
thing
listed
in
there
is
that's
just
more
common.
We
haven't
had
a
local
District,
that's
been
created
since
the
Northeast,
which
was
2005,
but
that
could
be
amended
when
we
transmit
this
to
say
you
know
historic
districts
in
in
landmarks.
I
Well,
I
think,
following
up
to
that,
I
think
that
what
happened
was
I
wasn't
on
the
commission,
then,
but
I
think
the
commission
sent
to
city
council
a
recommendation
for
a
landmark
of
a
building
and
the
city
council.
Then
I
guess
got
the
report
from
the
commission,
but
then
they
denied
the
landmark
status
and
I
think
that
I
think
that
this
would
potentially
help
with
that.
I
A
You're
talking
about
the
herd,
Street
Church,
there
were
Commissioners
who
actually
prepared
testimony
and
were
not
allowed
to
testify,
so
it
was,
dare
I,
say
a
show
in
which
the
city
council
have
already
determined
what
they
wanted
to
do
about
the
desert
about
the
designation
of
that
structure.
I.
E
Think
it
yeah
it
made
it
difficult
to
rebut
some
of
the
testimony
that
was
provided
by
in
this
in
this
case,
attorneys
that
were
that
were
hired
because
they
don't
they
don't
have
any
other
contacts,
so
they're
sitting
in
front
of
a
room
and
someone
is
afforded
the
opportunity
to
give
them
testimony,
but
there's
no
one
else
there
that
can
say
well,
that's
not
exactly
accurate
or
that's
not
what
was
meant
by
our
report
or
so
I
think
just
allowing
that
space
is
very
valuable.
E
A
very
valuable
thing,
number
four,
is
that
the
the
ordinance
currently
there's
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
this
commission
and
in
the
2040
plan
about
finding
ways
to
diversify
the
the
resources
that
are
registered
to
be
more
even
like,
culturally
or
socially
based,
and
the
our
ordinance
is
not
easily
facilitate
that
at
all.
Right
now,
in
many
ordinances
across
the
country,
don't
some
of
that
is
tied
directly
to
requirements
for
integrity
for
certain
resources.
So
that's
something
to
look
at
if
those
goals
are
really
meaningful.
A
Okay,
to
go
back
to
the
the
interaction
with
with
the
city
council,
the
the
argument
that
was
made
against
designation
was
economic
hardship,
but
just
as
we
have
standards
for
evaluating
I,
don't
know
if
the
city,
if
there
are
standards
or
required
evidence
to
demonstrate
economic
hardship,
are
in
a
you
know,
other
than
somebody
getting
up
and
saying.
Well,
you
know
fact
that
it's
designated
makes
the
property
less
valuable,
because
there
are
restrictions
on
it.
E
Yeah
and
there's
a
there's
a
diff.
This
is
always
a
really
difficult
thing.
Arden
says:
have
an
economic
hardship
clause
and
the
difficulty
is
that
an
economic
burden
or
a
financial
burden
is,
is
not
what's
intended
by
that
Clause.
So
when
that
Clause
talks
about
economic
hardship,
it
talked
that
specifically
addressing
a
taking
that
would
take
place.
So
if
the
commission
were
to
Landmark
something
and
then
it
significantly
devalues
the
development
potential
or
income
producing
potential
of
that
property
as
a
result,
that's
when
that
would
be
enacted.
E
So
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question
necessarily,
but
there
there
are
very
specific
standards
for
that
and
required
documentation
that
that
the
commission
has
to
review
and
then
subsequently
the
city
council
would
review.
E
That's
also
a
very
good
point
about
where
in-person
testimony
would
have
been
helpful,
because
there
were
I
think
we
really
did
consider
the
Adaptive
use
potential,
the
income
producing
potential
for
that
property.
We
had
very
specific
guidelines
for
it
to
allow
for
additions
and
alterations
to
certain
elevations
to
accommodate
that.
So
I
think
we
were
very
careful
and
cognizant
of
that
and
it
just
didn't
that
wasn't
translated.
A
Yeah
I
mean
we
heard
an
economic
hardship
argument
tonight
and
you
know
I
resisted
the
overwhelming
desire
to
say
to
the
person
who
was
testifying.
If
you
can't
afford
to
maintain
the
house,
don't
buy
a
landmark.
E
And
that's
and
that's
some
of
the
incremental
changes
and
alterations
I
think
are
sometimes
appropriate
and
it's
not
that
those
things
those
considerations
aren't
real
and
that
they
should
be
considered.
I.
Think
any
reasonable
person
would
consider
those
things,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
they
are.
You
know
that
the
standards
are
secondary
to
those
considerations
and
then
the
last
one
is
just
that
historic
preservation
and-
and
this
commission
itself
are
in
under
leverage
tool
for
the
city
to
achieve
their
sustainability
and
economic
development
goals
and
objectives.
N
M
City
council,
using
the
preservation
commission
to
reach
some
of
the
green
and
environmental
tools
anybody
thinks
about
that
yeah
then.
The
other
thing
we
just
talked
about
talking
about
it's
like
that.
Maybe
even
tonight
I'm
using
incorporating
education
to
educate
people
about
maintaining
things
and
restoring
things,
and
you
know
really
useful
it's
hard
to
find
the
people
who
do
the
work
or
you
know
it
seems
daunting
when
it
really
wouldn't
be
that
hard
and
if
you
would
get
the
same
type
of
results.
Okay,.
M
M
N
Yeah
I,
just
to
add
to
that
I
think
you
may
have
mentioned
this
before,
but
I
would
love
to
see
a
list
online
of
I
know
you
don't
want
to
endorse
any
person,
but
I
will
say
for
myself.
Finding
someone
to
restore
our
Windows
was
super
hard.
Like
we
had
a
bunch
of.
We
had
a
few
people
come
out
and
I
don't
know,
I
found
it
very
daunting.
As
a
homeowner
and
I
sit
on
this
commission
with
access
to
some
of
people,
you
know
I
just
would
love
to
see
a
list
online.
N
Even
if
you,
if
you
say
like
we
can't
these
are
not
endorsements.
These
are
contractors
who
who
have
come
before
the
commission
and
have
had
approved
projects
or
something
like
just
some.
Some
I
don't
know
if
we're
able
to
do
that.
But
that
would
be
such
an
easier
thing
than
calling
you
too.
It
takes
some
of
the
burden
off
the
400
requests
that
you
get
every
year,
I'm
sure
half
of
those
are
like
phone
calls
or
emails
about
providers.
I
would
think.
C
B
Of
contractors
for
different
trades,
so
it's
it's
it's
limited,
but
it's
I
mean
if
the
larger
organization
on
the
state
has
a
limited
list
of
providers,
it
just
tells
you
how
difficult
it
is
to
get
them.
Yeah.
N
It
is
I
think
we
were
saying
to
just
now
was
like
it's
it's
hard,
but
it's
not
impossible
and
like
give
them
some
of
the
tools
like
because
I
do
agree.
It
was
really
hard
to
find
someone
that
would
restore
our
Windows
yeah.
We
had
a
whole
like
a
ton
of
Windows
and
they're
old
and,
like
it
really
took
a
lot
of
like
digging
to
like,
gets
someone
who
would
like
do
it.
E
A
L
Yeah
sure
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
a
lot
of
the
craftspeople
that
are
sort
of
the
experts
known
for
these
types
of
things
might
not
have
been
before
the
commission.
They
might
be
just
outside
of
our
community
a
little
bit,
which
is
why
the
landmarks
list,
and
if
it's
not
I,
mean
maybe
we
direct
people
to
call
someone
at
landmarks,
because
I'm
sure
that
they're
not
constantly
maintaining
that
list
to.
E
E
Yeah,
there's
there's
quite
a
few
around
I
think
the
difference
is
that
they
and
I
don't
know
how
they
give
people
on
that
list,
but
that's
a
preferred
vendor
list
so
I,
it's
not
it's
not
I!
Think
our
list
could
be
something
easier
over
it.
So
these
are.
These
are
people
that
successfully
do
this
kind
of
work
in
the
region.
K
A
Yeah,
you
know
if
we
wanted
to
pursue
that
I
mean
there
there's
really
maybe
half
a
dozen
architects
in
the
Chicago
region,
whose
practices
are
primarily
restoration,
work,
and
you
know
somebody
calling
them
and
asking
for
their
lists
of
recommendations
for
at
least
for
me,
would
be
a
pretty
reasonable
starting
point
and
also
an
endorsement.
A
B
So
I
think
it's
worth
exploring
and
see
how
we
can
provide
at
least
that
it
doesn't
necessarily
indoors.
But
it
says
these
are
people
who
have
been
in
front
of
the
commission
and
approved
because
that's
what
I
ask
people
to
do?
Do
you
know?
I
cannot
really
give
you
that
information.
But
if
you
go
to
the
packet
that
was
in
February
of
2022
there's
a
contractor
or
somebody's
listed
there,
you
can
it's
public
information.
N
A
Mean
the
the
other
thing
that
people
are
going
to
factor
in
is
that
it's
expensive,
because
that
kind,
because
the
work
involved
is
painstaking
and
time
consuming
it
costs
more
money,
and
you
can
find
we
I
mean.
We've
had
great
luck,
finding
good
Subs
through
good
General
Contractors.
They
will
have
those
resources.
A
N
One
more
comment:
sorry
just
really
quickly:
I
I,
don't
know
who
does
this?
Who
gets
this
annual
report?
Is
it
the
Planning
Commission?
It.
B
N
E
Always
yeah,
we
floated
the
idea
of
looking
at
like
before
and
after
successful
projects
that
kind
of
demonstrate
the
work
of
this
commit
like,
for
example,
2306
Harrison
is
a
good
example
of
I
think
the
standards
working
in
a
very
valuable
way
and
providing
a
better
product
to
his
client.