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A
A
The
city
of
evanston's
preservation
ordinance
empowers
this
body
to
safeguard
our
communities,
historic,
cultural
and
Architectural
heritage.
The
commission
encourages
public
participation
and
affords
due
process
through
public
hearings
on
proposed
Landmark
designations
and
applications
for
certificates
of
appropriateness.
A
A
A
The
Commissioners
will
then
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
following
the
questioning
period.
Members
of
the
public
may
speak
toward
the
application,
keeping
their
comments
to
three
minutes
or
less
following
public
comment.
The
applicant
will
have
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
any
evidence
or
testimony
against
the
application,
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
for
review.
A
A
A
Did
we
get
any
comments
in
writing
relating
to
the
discussion
agenda?
Okay,
all
right,
seeing
none
under
old
business,
we
will
start
with
1404
Judson
Avenue
Landmark
lhd
23
Prez
0098
could
staff.
Please
read
that
into
the
record.
B
The
applicant
further
requests
the
following
major
zoning
variations
to
expand
a
non-conforming
structure
as
it
relates
to
bulk
code,
section
6652,
a
rear
yard
setback
at
3.75
feet
where
30
feet
is
required
and
the
existing
legally
non-conforming
condition
is
2.75
feet.
Code,
section,
6828a4
and
building
that
coverage
of
33.25
percent
or
30
percent
is
the
maximum
permitted
and
31
is
the
existing
legally
non-conforming
condition
code
section
6827.
The
preservation
commission
is
the
determining
body
for
their
certificate
of
appropriateness
code.
C
C
They
were
submitted
first
in
writing
on
7
6,
then
the
renderings
for
the
changes
on
725
and
also
submitted
to
the
folks
in
the
neighborhood
who
were
concerned
and
spoke
at
the
last
session,
and
that
was
done
on
August
15th
to
those
participants.
C
Okay,
pardon
me,
the
sidewalk
entering
the
Adu
new
entry
on
the
north
wall
has
been
moved,
Southward
from
the
north
poverty
line
to
condense,
any
movement
on
the
site
from
that
property
line
on
the
North.
Second,
to
that
we
were
able
to
reduce
the
size-
the
length
in
this
particular
case,
not
by
much
but
a
foot.
E
C
F
C
F
C
C
On
the
picture,
we
also
lowered
the
height
of
the
canopy
over
the
Adu
entry
to
make
the
structure
feel
the
new
structure
more
consistent
as
a
singular
element,
as
opposed
to
a
combination
of
three
elements
on
the
facade.
I
think
that
particular
item
relates
directly
to
the
construction
standard
number
one.
Okay,
I
believe
that
we
have
reduced
the
height
we've
Consolidated
the
form
and
structure.
C
We
have
viewed
another
hunt
structure
in
the
community
and
there
was
I
think
a
comment
made
last
time
that
the
projection
the
roof
line,
the
flatness
of
that
roof
in
our
Edition-
might
not
be
in
keeping
with
the
original
structure.
Frankly,
it
is
in
keeping
with
this
structure
and
other
in
particular,
Hunt's
home
is
his
structure
battered
surface
and
flat
section
to
keep
the
profile
down.
C
C
C
She's
obligated
as
part
of
her
work
to
be
private,
and
at
this
time,
I'd
like
to
correct
an
error
of
mine,
I
indicated
in
the
certificate
of
need
that
the
public,
in
the
form
of
clients
coming
to
this
structure,
would
be
a
necessity.
That's
not
the
case.
All
of
my
clients.
Work
is
done
on
video
audio
and
in
private
she'll
detail
that
in
a
statement
she'll
make
to
you
tonight,
but
my
error
was
thinking
that
there
was
a
need
for
Public
Access.
C
Let's
move
on
if
we
will
to
the
Construction
standard
six
and
to
some
degree,
eight
I
think
we've
established
the
change.
If
you
will,
consolidation
of
the
structure
and
complying
with
Section,
6
or
standard
six
in
Section,
8
or
standard
number,
eight,
the
roof
slope
becomes
an
issue
and
that
same
consolidation
of
the
structure
is
also
referred
to
in
that
standard.
C
C
C
C
C
C
F
C
C
Because
the
original
qualities
I
think
go
without
saying
the
architect,
his
design
should
be
respected,
should
be
kept,
should
be
the
main
force
of
this
evaluation.
If
you
will
I
think
in
the
state's
review,
they
made
it
very
very
clear
to
duplicate
all
the
materials,
all
the
textures
and
the
slopes
of
the
roofs
we've
done.
That
I'm
not
sure
you
folks
are
aware
of
the
fact
that
we
could
have
put
this
addition
closer
to
the
front
of
the
existing
building,
so
would
have
eliminated
the
need
for
a
major
variation.
C
However,
I
think
we
all
have
to
make
a
commitment
to
respect.
What's
there,
okay,
not
just
take
it
down
when
it's
possible,
but
when
you
do
work
with
it,
give
it
it's
just
do
I
believe
we've
done
that
I.
Thank
you
for
your
patience
and
hearing
her
two
presentations,
I'd
like
to
ask
Miss
Harper
to
clarify
that
one
statement.
If
we
might
about
her
type
of
work
and
how
it
relates
to
the
building,
thank
you.
A
Okay,
if
you
would
like
to
just
go
ahead
and
come
up,
and
if
you
have
you
signed
in.
G
B
There's
one
there
there
is
please
and
then
also
state
your
name
and
address.
Please
thank
you,
of
course,.
A
There's
no
time
limit
since
you're
part
of
the
application.
Okay
proposal,
so
just
go
ahead
and
say
what
you
need
to
say.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
G
Good
evening,
members
of
the
commission,
Mr
Sterling
Mr
Ruiz
I'm
Brooke
Harper
I'm,
the
owner
at
1404,
Judson
and
Errol,
asked
me
to
briefly
explain
how
I'll
use
the
addition
and
why
it's
needed
I'm,
an
administrative
law
judge
for
a
state
agency,
I
work
primarily
from
home,
doing
hearings
by
phone
and
video
on
a
rare
occasion.
G
G
You
might
have
noticed
that
there's
a
space
designated
in
the
basement
as
a
workshop
and
Errol
referenced.
The
fact
that
I've
done
some
restoration
work
on
the
home
and
I
will
continue
to
do
that
and
I'll
need
to
participate
in
that
work,
to
make
to
make
it
possible
to
do
what
we
want
to
do
to
fully
sort
of
restore
the
inside
of
the
house
going
forward.
So
I
think
that's
all
I
really
need
to
say
at
this
point.
Think
of
your
time
and
I'll.
Thank
you
for
hearing
our
application.
A
So
does
that
conclude
your
presentation?
Do
you
have
any
yes,
okay?
So
now
the
Commissioners
will
ask
you
questions.
So
any
Commissioners
would
like
to
ask
the
applicant
some
questions.
Go
ahead.
H
I
I
have
a
question
and
the
I
guess
in
the
front
elevation
there
was
a
window
that
was
for
egress.
Is
there
now
a
staircase,
that's
leading
towards
that,
or
is
that
a
door
now
are.
C
I
neglected
to
make
a
statement
about
that.
I
noticed
on
our
original
presentation
to
you,
folks
that
our
recess
of
the
land
down
to
the
silhith
required
for
exiting
at
three
foot
above
the
basement
floor
went
over
onto
the
neighbor
of
the
adjacent
property
at
1400.
Judson,
we've
corrected
that
and
in
your
current
plans
we
honor
the
property
line
as
the
center
of
the
demising
wall
between
the
two
units
or
homes
and
therefore
made
that
correction.
C
H
C
A
A
I
I
I
I
In
fact,
now
that
I
see
that
it's
going
to
be
below
grade
part
of
it.
That
makes
it
feel
even
stranger
to
me
frankly,
I,
don't
understand
why
it's
necessary
to
introduce
these
multiple
elements
that
are
not
complementary
to
the
original
architectural
style
simply
to
achieve
putting
an
apartment
in
the
basement
which
can
be
entered
actually
from
an
existing
entrance
already.
I
I
would
respectfully
ask
that
the
Commissioners
take
a
critical
look
at
the
proposal,
which
I
believe
is
not
conforming
to
the
city's
own
preservation
standards.
Specifically,
it
would
seem
to
me
that
this
project
does
not
satisfy
items
one
two,
three
five
and
ten
of
the
standards
for
review
of
alteration
Additionally.
The
project
does
not
seem
to
satisfy
items:
one
two:
six
10
11
and
12.
I
J
Good
evening,
I'm
Dan
Hartnett
I
reside
at
1412
Judson,
which
is
the
property
immediately
to
the
north
of
the
subject.
Property
here
I
wish
to
raise
two
points
and
to
pose
a
question
as
well.
On
the
first
point,
both
of
Mr
Sterling's
reports
and
their
reports,
plural,
and
the
1978
statement
of
significance,
which
can
be
found
at
page
47
of
tonight's
packet,
identify
the
structure
as
a
identify
the
structures
exemplification
of
design
as
a
virtue.
The
statement
of
significance
lays
stress
on
the
discipline
of
horizontality
and
notes
that
the
horizontal
massing
approaches
the
prairie
style.
J
J
To
paraphrase
it,
for
additions
to
its
existing
structures,
the
distinguishing
original
qualities
or
character
of
a
property
or
structure
should
be
preserved.
I
submit
to
you
that
tacking
on
this
box
destroys
not
preserves
those
distinguishing
characters
of
horizontality
that
Myron
hunt
strove
123
years
ago
to
impart.
Finally,
the
question
I'm
confident
there
are
some
in
this
room
who
say
why,
should
this
owner
not
be
able
to
do
as
she
sees
fit
with
her
property?
J
J
A
E
In
short,
this
project
is
antithetical
to
my
interests,
my
husband's
interest,
our
family's
interests,
without
a
doubt,
the
potential
impacts
of
excavation
Demolition
and
construction
to
our
side
of
this
wood
frame
structure,
our
worrisome
and
I
believe
worthy
of
special
attention,
since
any
resulting
damage
to
the
structural
Integrity
of
our
home
would
be
a
consequence
not
of
our
own
actions
but
of
those
of
other
those
of
other
parties.
In
other
words,
our
property
would
be
involuntarily
subjected
to
potential
harm.
E
In
addition,
construction
of
the
proposed
Edition
would
likely
affect
the
value
of
our
attached
home,
adversely
and,
finally,
the
construction
of
a
basement
Adu.
There
would
preclude
us
from
ever
adding
an
Adu
to
our
own
home
permanently,
depriving
us
of
the
same
opportunity
to
earn
rental
income
that
Ms
Harper
wishes
to
capitalize
on.
E
With
the
added
presence
of
locks,
White
Noise
machines
and
other
features
could
meet
her
stated
privacy
and
security
needs
without
excuse
me,
without
compromising
and
architecturally
significant
structure,
the
double
house
at
1400
and
1404
Judson
is
one
of
over
30
residences
in
Evanston,
designed
by
Myron
hunt,
none
of
which
I
repeat,
none
of
which
has
had
its
exterior
altered
in
this
major
way.
That
is
up
until
now.
E
No
one
has
corrupted
the
architectural
Integrity
of
a
Myron
Hunt
building
in
Evanston
to
allow
such
a
degradation
now
would
be
highly
objectionable
in
its
own
right,
I
believe,
perhaps
even
more
importantly,
it
would
set
an
unfortunate
precedent
that
the
City
of
Evanston
could
regret
for
years
to
come.
Thank
you.
K
K
K
K
L
I
also
live
at
1412
Judson
I've
lived
in
Evanston
in
three
different
houses
in
several
historic
districts
for
57
years.
In
all
that
time,
I
have
never
objected
to
anyone's
plan
to
do
anything
inside
their
house
or
out
until
now,
but
this
is
not
removing
an
old
screen
porch
or
creating
a
backyard
space
or
expanding
a
kitchen
built
in
the
1800s.
Many
of
us
were
subjected
to
that
between
1966
and
2016.
L
I
was
a
friend
and
guest
many
times
at
1404,
Judson
and
I
know
that
there
are
rooms
easily
situated
for
security
privacy
soundproofing
that
can
be
used
as
an
office
space.
The
state
of
Illinois,
the
owner
stated
employer
does
not
require
its
employees
to
build
additions
to
their
homes
to
do
their
jobs.
The
owner's
been
using
existing
space
to
work
in
for
years.
It's
both
economically
unnecessary
and
unreasonable
to
expect
us
to
accommodate
this
addition
when
she
can
and
has
accommodated
herself
inside
the
house.
L
Her
architect
has
stated
on
a
number
of
occasions
that
this
is
in
the
rear
of
the
property.
It
is
not.
It
is
on
the
side.
There
is
no
rear
to
this
property.
Just
a
little
gangway,
so
there
will
be
no
outdoor
space
for
tenants.
There's
no
garages,
there's
no
parking
the
plans
with
the
entrances
and
additions
and
the
walkways
shrink
that
small
side
yard
even
further
and
constitute
an
incursion
on
our
side,
an
interruption
of
our
well-being
and
threats
to
our
safety.
L
There's
no
fencing
and
most
of
the
shrubway
pictured,
some
of
which,
on
my
side
is
a
century
old,
belongs
to
us
not
to
miss
Harper.
We
also
hear
that
nothing
can
be
seen
from
the
street,
but
we
don't
live
on
the
street.
We
live
next
door.
We
lose
privacy,
as
this
becomes
a
public
walkway
with
delivery
and
public
entrances.
On
our
side.
L
National
preservation
standards
are
to
preserve
and
protect
unique
structures,
not
to
allow
alteration
for
commercial
profit
in
a
residential,
neighborhood.
I
know
this,
as
my
parents
were
two
of
the
people
involved
in
the
founding
of
the
preservation
League
of
Evanston
everything
we've
gotten
from
the
owner,
the
architect.
The
assorted
plans
varies
each
time
in
the
telling
lack
of
consistency
does
not
promote
confidence.
L
We
cannot
trust
that
this
will
be
taken
care
of
with
due
diligence
during
construction
or
with
the
three
rentals
proposed
exchanges
between
us
over
the
last
months
by
email
by
texture
in
person
have
contained
no
mention
of
hardship,
just
a
determination
to
tap
into
a
secondary
income
Market.
We
should
not
be
the
unwilling
victims
of
her
desire
to
enhance
an
already
second
income,
which
she's
had
and
now
give
her
a
third.
The
only
re,
the
owner
recently
stated
she
needed
to
alter
the
historic
home
in
order
to
pay
to
preserve
it.
L
L
A
A
C
I
think
there
are
multiple
comments
being
made
negatively
against
the
project.
I'll
try
to
summarize
them
and
be
as
concise
as
I
can.
One
is
the
use
of
that
north
side
and
additional
traffic.
C
C
C
This
is
a
duplex.
There
are
many
other
examples
of
Mr
Hunt's
work.
I
cannot
attest
to
all
30
of
them
and
whether
they've
ever
had
any
alteration
on
the
exterior,
but
I
do
believe
that
what
we're
doing
here
is
consistent.
What
his
concept
of
massing
proportion,
scale,
texture,
color
and
form
would
be.
A
I
had
a
I
had
a
brief
question:
I
just
a
clarification.
This
Edition
is
on
the
applicant
side
of
the
building
correct.
She
owns
that
side
of
the
building
and
then
this
Edition
is
coming
off
of
that
side.
It
is
not
being
added
to
someone
else's
side
of
the
building
correct.
A
F
M
Kade,
can
you
put
up
page
41.,
okay,
I'm,
going
to
say
a
bunch
of
things,
and
not
all
of
them
are
going
to
be
appropriate
for
me
to
say,
first
of
all,
while
I
consider
Chris
hertzel
at
the
Historical
Center
to
be
probably
the
authority
on
Myron
Hunt's
work
here
in
Evanston,
a
book
I
wrote
a
couple
of
years
ago
does
have
the
only
published
biography
of
Myron
hunt.
So
I
know
a
little
bit
about
him.
Do
I
want
to
see
this
house
altered
in
the
way
in
which
he's
shown.
M
No,
we
ask
these
people
to
come
back.
The
addition
that
they're
showing
is
much
improved
over
the
last
time
they
were
here.
Our
purview
is
to
read
the
standards,
look
at
the
material
presented
to
us
and
decide
whether
it
meets
those
standards.
Having
said
that,
I
would
say
to
all
the
people
that
testified
tonight.
Is
that
we're
not
the
final
say
in
this
matter?
M
M
N
M
On
the
screen
is
the
room
in
the
basement
that
the
circular
stair
comes
down
into,
which
is
in
the
corner
of
the
existing
house,
is
actually
just
slightly
bigger
than
the
office
space
which
is
being
built
out
to
the
north.
So
my
question
is:
what
is
that
room?
And
why
isn't
that
room,
since
it's
slightly
bigger
than
the
addition?
A
N
M
Which
shows
a
door
onto
an
intermediate
Landing
which
I'm
assuming
is
one
step
above
grade,
and
then
there's
steps
up
in
to
the
kitchen
and
then
a
run
upstairs
that
go
down
to
the
basement
and
that
could
be
easily
reworked
to
serve
the
Adu.
If
you
wanted
to
eliminate
the
concrete
work
and
the
concrete
stairs
and
the
cover
that's
shown
on
the
North
side,
it
seems
to
me
that
that
would
give
you
the
rental
Adu.
M
It
would
make
all
of
your
neighbors
very
happy
and
it
you
would
be
remodeling
that
room
in
the
basement
and
that
would
be
your
office
I
think
it's
inappropriate
for
the
Commissioners
to
tell
people
how
to
do
things
or
to
tell
Architects
how
to
design
stuff,
but
this
seems
to
be
so
contentious
and
I
happen
to
think
that
Myron
hot
is
a
really
underappreciated
amazing
architect
and
that
the
building
would
be
better
without
an
addition
on
the
side
of
it.
H
H
Yes,
I
do
understand
that
in
night
you
know
the
zoning
code
probably
didn't
exist
when
this
was
built,
but
zoning
codes
don't
create
lot
lines,
and
so
you
know-
and
then
it
also
did
say
here
that
that
it
was
an
alleged
hardship,
appears
self-created
and
so
I
guess
I
mean
that
kind
of
just
to
me
puts
into
you
know,
question
the
the
need
for
this
edition.
H
If,
if
it
can
be
feasibly
done,
like
Commissioners
Cohen
just
said
that
they
could
rework
the
basement
spaces
to
to
accommodate
the
edu
and
the
office
space
inside
the
basement.
Without
the
addition,
then,
thereby
you
know
not
requiring
a
major
variation
and
drawing
this
whole
neighborhood
contentious.
You
know
debate
over
if
it
is
needed
or
not,
and
so
I
think
that
I
I
mean
I
I
do
think
I
mean
we're
supposed
to
keep
to
the
standards,
but
this
is
tied
to
the
zoning
and
and
so
at
the
previous
meeting.
H
I
did
say
that
you
know
we
did
I
mean
other
Commissioners
cited
five
standards.
For
for
why
the
project
wasn't,
you
know,
didn't
meet
the
standards
and
I
do
applaud
the
architect
for
coming
back
with
a
better
design,
but
picking
you
know,
because
this
design
is
tied
to
this
zoning
I,
don't
I,
still
kind
of
don't
feel
comfortable
Kim.
M
Sarah
can
I
add
something
here.
I
think
that
you
should,
in
fact,
if
you
feel
strongly,
and
if
this
is
approved
by
us,
go
to
zoning.
M
My
understanding
is
that
you,
in
fact
do
have
an
argument
and
a
case
to
present
to
zoning
I've
argued
lots
of
cases
on
the
North
Shore
in
front
of
zoning
boards
of
appeal
and
the
hardship
that
you
have
is
not
the
fact
that
you
can't
get
some
income
from
finishing
off
your
basement
or
have
a
home
office.
M
Had
you
built
the
house
and
filled
up
the
zoning
lot
or
built
it
to
the
the
setback
lines,
then?
Obviously,
you
couldn't
go
in
and
argue
that
there
was
a
hardship
based
on
that,
because
you
would
have
created
it.
It's
it's
like
the
old
joke
about
the
guy
who
killed
his
parents,
throwing
himself
on
the
mercy
of
the
Court
as
an
orphan.
A
I'm
going
to
thank
you,
commissioner,
Cohen
I'm
gonna
I
I,
just
as
a
couple
of
reminders.
First
of
all,
the
the
zoning
situation
and
the
standards
review,
preservation,
standards,
review
are
two
separate
things
right
and
which
has
been
noted,
so
I
think
we
can
return
to
the
review
of
the
standards.
A
My
understanding
is
that
the
issue
of
need
and
stuff
is
not
part
of
that
conversation
yep.
So
I
would
like
to
encourage
the
Commissioners
to
talk
about
the
standards.
What
you
think
about
the
applicants,
new
proposal
go
ahead.
O
Yeah
I
have
a
few
things
to
say:
I
am
first
of
all
I'm
glad
the
neighbors
came
out
and
it
was
great
to
see
the
architect's
plan.
I
think
it
was
much
improved
from
last
time.
I'm
very
familiar
with
Myron
hunt.
I
live
next
to
a
Myron
hunt.
Home
I
live
across
the
street
from
Omar
and
Hunt.
Home
I
was
just
while
reviewing
this
considering
as
a
neighbor.
How
I
might
feel
if
one
of
my
neighbors
put
you
know
proposed,
you
know
a
comparable
type
of
addition
to
this
home.
O
I
I
do
feel
uncomfortable
with
this
addition,
I
do
feel
like
the
sub.
The
the
below
grade
fact
of
this
looks
unusual.
I
know
that
it
is
a
scared
somewhat
by
Landscaping,
but
I
also
know
as
part
of
our
job,
we're
not
supposed
to
take
into
consideration
landscaping
or
fences,
or
things
like
that
which
are
very
temporary,
because
those
can
be
removed
quite
easily.
So
we
can't
you
know
that
is
not
part
of
our
Factor.
O
When
we
look
at
the
addition
here
so
for
me,
I
think
it
doesn't
fit
the
standard
of
construction
for
height.
It
feels
I
mean
it
feels
awkward
to
me
like
the
the
low
height
piece
so
standard
one
for
me.
I
don't
feel
like
it
fits
and
then
Standard
12
for
review
of
construction.
O
12.
yeah
because
it
just
feel
it
feels
like
the
height
it's
it's.
It
start
sympathetic
to
the
overall
design.
The
Meyer
hunt,
design
in,
in
my
opinion,
I
also
just
want
to
say,
I,
know
we're
I'm
going
to
focus
on
our
job,
which
is
reviewing
our
standards,
but
since
zoning
is
something
that
is
brought
to
us,
I
just
want
to
mention
that
some
of
the
arguments
about
devaluing
your
home
that
isn't
something
that
we
look
at,
but
that
is
a
zoning
standard.
O
So
if
this
moves
forward,
that's
something
you
know,
people
should
be
familiar
with
the
zoning
standards
being
different
than
our
standards
and
then
I
also
just
wanted
to
mention
something
just
a
different
point
to
what
commissioner
Cohen
mentioned
about
a
hardship.
I
personally,
don't
think
it's
a
hardship
with
the
current
zoning
laws.
When
you
buy
a
house
knowing
the
zoning
laws
and
knowing
I
mean
the
zoning
laws
were
in
effect
when
you
purchased
the
house.
So
for
me
personally,
that's
not
something,
that's
a
hardship.
H
You
know
if
everyone
agrees
that
they've
improved,
so
I
mean
we've
addressed,
one
I
mean
so
there's
construction,
six,
eight
and
ten.
So
so
six
was
the
Rhythm
and
I
guess
that
was
because
there
at
now
it's
all
contained
kind
of
in
one
volume
or
appears
to
be
one
volume.
H
H
I
guess
it's
similar
in
size,
but
more
I,
guess
lower
in
height
right
I
mean
I'm,
just
wondering
if,
if
everyone
agrees
that
that
those
standards
have
been
met.
H
H
B
It's
not
obligatory,
but
I
think
what
you're
those
two
are
they're
very
much
separate.
They
would
be
separate
motions,
they
have
separate
standards,
you
do
have
a
set
of
standards
for
making
recommendations
to
the
land
use.
Commission,
the
one
that
you
seem
to
be
focusing
on
is
is
the
need,
whether
it's
needed
or
not.
The
other
is
just
whether
it's
appropriate
or
not.
B
H
H
Q
H
So
my
I
mean
I
do
understand
that
we
we've
asked
the
applicant
to
come
back
with
an
in
design
and
we've
all
seem
to
agree
that
it
has
met
the
preservation
standards,
but
personally,
I
think
that
we
we
could
do
that
and
say
also
make
a
recommendation
to
the
land
use
commission
that
has
designed
I.
Don't
think
that
it
should
be
approved
on
on
the
grounds
of
the
zoning.
A
So
I
would
like
I
would
like
to
suggest
that
if
the
deliberation
over
the
standards
review
has
concluded,
then
we
should
go
ahead
and
make
a
motion,
and
then
we
can
talk
about
the
land
use
part
zoning
part.
Thank
you.
Carlos
did
you
have
something?
No.
N
B
E
R
A
Okay,
seeing
none
hold
on.
H
O
So
does
anyone
have
anything
more
to
say,
I've
already
said
what
I
I
don't
think
it
means
it
I
mean
and
and
I
know
the
argument
is
they
came
back,
they
improved
it.
I
100
agree
with
that.
I
just
think
we
can't.
We
couldn't
have
necessarily
known
what
our
reaction
was
until
we
saw
the
revision
right.
A
A
Okay,
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1404
Judson
Avenue,
Landmark,
lhd,
23,
Prez,
0098,
Errol,
Kirsch,
applicant
and
architect
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
home's
North
elevation
fenestration
and
construct
a
single
story
Edition
in
covered
basement
entryway
at
the
rear
volume
of
the
home's
North
elevation.
A
The
applicant
further
requests
the
following
major
variations.
Let
me
I'm
going
to
step
that
back.
A
It
has
to
you,
can
stop
yeah
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna,
stop
there,
because
that's
a
related
to
the
certificate
of
appropriateness,
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen
in
code,
section.
A
6-15-11-5
A,
B
and
C
do
I
have
a
second
to
second
second,
okay,
yes,
I
think
we
should
take
a
roll
call
vote.
H
So
point
of
clarification
is
code,
section
six
related.
Q
B
A
A
H
M
A
B
M
B
A
T
Have
a
question:
so
if
you
know
there
there
are
ways
that
they
could
approach
adding
this
Adu
without
the
zoning
variants.
That
would
be
less.
T
That
would
in,
in
my
opinion,
be
less
agreeable
to
the
standards
Etc
and
then
it
wouldn't
come
back
in
front
of
us
right.
So
we're
saying,
or
would
it
I.
T
If,
if
the
zoning
board
says
no,
you
can't
do
this
because
it
doesn't
go
along
with
the
zoning
requirements
and
they
don't
grant
them
that
and
they
do.
You
know
some
sort
of
addition
that
does
fall.
Q
A
Sentence,
commissioner,.
T
B
But
if
it
was
materially
different
at
all,
it
would
come
back
if
it
was
very
similar,
just
slightly
reduced
in
bulk
to
meet
the
standards.
It's
something
that
the
pre-review
subcommittee
would
probably
determine
whether
it
comes
back
or
not,
but
I
would
say
that
I
can't
see
a
way
that
they
would
reduce
it.
You
know
the
to
get
it
down
in
bulk
to
meet
the
code
requirements.
I
think
it
would
be
very
dissimilar
to
what
you're,
seeing
now
and
I
think
it
would
come
back.
S
So,
in
my
opinion,
whereas
I
do
think
the
addition
meets
the
standards
for
preservation,
I
do
not
think
that
it
meets
the
standards
a
where
it
is
necessary
or
appropriate
in
the
history,
in
the
interests
of
historic
conservation,
so
I
would
not
be
for
a
positive
recommendation
for
the
major
zoning
variants.
I
do
not
necessarily
feel
confident
that
it
is
absolutely
necessary
unless
that
can
be
shown
that
it
is
required,
but
in
my
opinion,
I
think
that
there
may
be
options
to
achieve
this
as
been
discussed.
S
Without
you
know,
altering
the
historic
property,
so
I
think
that
that
would
be
my
recommendation
either
to
not
make
a
recommendation
or,
if
it's
possible,
to
make
a
negative
recommendation
now,
whether
that
is
referencing,
the
setback
specific
or
the
building
lot
coverage.
I
will
leave
that
to
the
discretion
of
the
commission.
A
All
right
well,
I'll,
add
that
I
agree
that
I
am
not
convinced
that
it
is
necessary
or
and
or
appropriate,
in
the
interest
of
historic
conservation
number
letter
A
under
the
standards,
so
I
would
be
open
to
a
motion.
H
I
guess
I'll
make
a
motion
that
the
preservation
commission
makes
a
recommendation
to
not
approve
the
major
variation
of
zoning
citing
code
section,
six:
five,
six
fifteen
eleven
five
standard,
a.
B
H
Q
B
B
Klein
aye,
commissioner
Sullivan
aye,
commissioner
postcode
aye
motion,
carries
eight
to
zero.
Thank
you.
Mr
Kirsch,
we'll
see
you
tomorrow
evening.
Do
you
have
any
questions
for
us
right
now.
A
Okay,
that
is
the
end
of
old
business.
Moving
on
to
new
business,
1401
Ridge
Court
Ridge
historic
district
23,
Prez
0161
could
staff.
Please
read
this
case
into
the
record.
B
1041
Ridge
Court
in
the
ridge,
historic
district
case
number,
23,
pres0161,
Mark,
demsky,
architect
and
applicant
on
behalf
of
the
homeowner
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
home's
west
elevation
fenestration,
replacing
existing
jealousy
Windows
constructive,
bracketed,
Gable
overhang
at
the
home's
West
entryway,
and
construct
single
and
two-story
additions
to
the
home's
Northeast
volume.
The
applicant
further
requests
the
following
major
zoning
variations,
a
rear
yard
setback
of
six
feet
or
30
feet
is
required
and
building
lock
coverage
of
34.5
percent
or
30
percent
is
the
maximum
permitted.
B
E
F
U
This
diagram
that
you'll
see
demonstrates
that
the
the
site
is
a
difficult
one
in
terms
of
the
buildable
area
that,
because
it's
not
it's
a
corner
lot
and
because
it's
trapezoidal
in
shape
a
majority
of
the
building
as
it
currently
stands
as
non-conforming
and
is
outside
the
the
buildable
area.
U
So
it's
27
foot
setback
from
Ridge
Court,
a
30-foot
setback
from
the
rear.
It
does
meet
the
setback
requirements
from
a
green
leaf
and
from
the
interior
lot
line
that
a
butts
an
alley,
so
the
owner,
so
I'm,
joined
by
Amy
Demarco
is
here
this
evening
and
her
daughter
they
wanted
to
add
on
to
the
home.
So
we
entertained
a
couple
of
different
options
to
do
that.
This
home
is
a
ranch
home.
It's
very
Anonymous.
U
It
is
not
a
Myron
hunt
home
by
any
stretch,
but
it's
equally
as
dear
to
the
owners
and
they
wanted
to
respect
the
character
of
this
home.
So
we
looked
at
some
options
and
we'll
see
one
in
the
presentation
a
little
bit
later,
that
we
didn't
want
to
turn
the
house
into
something
that
it
wasn't
so
looking
at
the
volume
of
the
house,
it's
not
like
it's
neighbors,
so
the
The
Neighbors
on
either
side
of
it,
both
on
Greenleaf
and
on
Ridge
Court,
to
the
South
and
to
the
East
are
much
larger
homes.
U
So
we're
not
trying
to
match
that
volume.
We're
not
trying
to
to
match
the
fenestration
I
mean
this
is
a
you
know,
an
early
1950s
ranch
home.
They
would
like
to
add
two
bedrooms,
a
family
room
and
a
kitchen.
So
we
did
look
at
adding
purely
a
second
story
to
it
that
kind
of
knocks
out
the
ability
to
add
the
kitchen
onto
it,
and
it
would
still
require
variations
for
the
front
and
rear
yard
setback
because
of
the
buildable
area
and
really
not
conforming
to
the
existing
structure
so
Kate,
maybe
we
could
move
through.
U
U
Of
it,
it
would
conform
to
a
side
yard
setback,
the
addition
that
we're
proposing,
but
because
it's
on
a
corner
and
both
are
treated
a
little
differently.
It's
a
30
foot
setback
to
the
neighbor
to
the
east
on
Greenleaf.
U
So
what
we're
doing
here
is
showing
the
addition
we're
pulling
it
back
from
the
corner
a
little
bit,
obviously
with
some
of
the
material
change
and
things
on
the
addition
or
trying
to
be
sensitive
to
that.
But
the
the
idea
ended
up
being
to
try
and
keep
everything
that
we're
doing
to
the
east
of
the
ridge
of
the
house,
which
runs
north
south.
So
maybe
we
could
go
to
the
next.
U
So
this
is
how
the
roof
line.
The
idea
was
to
take
the
slope
of
the
roof
and
it's
basically
a
Gable
lens
slope
roof,
and
we
want
to
continue
that
slope
as
it
as
it
starts
from
the
West
to
the
East
and
create
a
new
Ridge
that
would
be
beyond
the
existing
Ridge,
but
as
it
turns
the
corner
onto
Greenleaf,
we
mimic
the
scale
in
the
exact
dimensions
of
the
Gable
that
is
facing
Greenleaf.
That
is
the
one
that
we
see
that
faces
due
east
in
the
backyard.
E
U
The
next
slide,
okay,
so
these
are
the
plans
you
can
see.
We've
got
a
bedroom
on
the
ground
floor,
we've
got
a
kitchen
and
family
room,
then,
on
the
ground
floor
it's
an
1869
square
foot
home
that
we're
adding
on
to
second
floor.
There
would
be
a
master
bedroom
suite
that
we're
kind
of
tucking
into
the
lower
Eaves.
U
U
These
are
the
neighbors,
so
you
see
the
ones
on
Greenleaf
here.
This
is
to
the
east
much
larger
home,
and
then
it
has
a
single
story
garage,
that's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
hardenstein's
property
line,
and
so
this
drawing
kind
of
shows
it
with
that
addition
on
from
from
Ridge
so
from
the
from
the
ridge
of
the
home
on
Ridge
Court
we're
going
up.
U
A
story
compared
to
the
to
the
home
next
door:
it's
a
much
smaller
home
and
same
with
green
leaf.
It's
a
much
taller
structure
that
the
garage
is
actually
more
the
scale
of
the
home,
that's
adjacent
to
the
rear
yard,
so
here
showing
the
existing
and
the
proposed
above
or
continuing
the
asphalt
shingle
roof.
That
is
the
canopy
over
the
front
door
that
we
can
see
that
we
want
to
add
right
now.
It's
just
exposed
to
the
weather,
there's
only
an
eight
inch
overhang
on
the
Gable
ends
of
the
home.
U
U
So
here's
from
Greenleaf
Street,
so
we've
taken
the
existing
Gable
that
that
same
volume,
same
Dimension
turned
at
90
degrees
to
extend
out
into
the
back
and
then
tuck
the
second
floor
up
into
the
volume
that's
created
by
those
two.
U
We
want
to
reclaim
as
much
brick
as
we
can
and
we're
thinking
at
least
use
it
as
a
base
course
there
that
would
go
below
the
windows
that
were
matching
and
then
use
a
different
siding
that
would
be
in
the
same
color
family,
but
we'd
distinguish
that
from
the
eight
inch
siding
by
maybe
using
a
three
inch
exposure,
siding
so
in
the
in
the
palette,
but
not
trying
to
mimic
the
eight
inch
siding
of
the
Gable
lens,
because
that's
kind
of
a
unique
condition.
U
U
E
U
And
then
the
side
view,
so
this
would
be
from
the
alley
which
really
isn't
visible
from
the
street.
But
that
is
the
view
from
the
south
looking
at
the
building
and
then
we
we
did
do
we
showed
an
example
of
what
we
could
do
if
it
were
a
little
more
conforming,
which
would
mean
no
lot
coverage
variance,
but
it
would
require
setback
variances
on
the
front
and
the
rear
that
would
be
if
and
again
function
of
it
doesn't
really
work,
because
then
the
kitchen
isn't
going
to
be
on
the
second
floor.
U
If
we
did
just
just
pop
it
up,
it
would
look
very
much
the
same
from
the
top,
but
it
it
really
starts
to
take
the
character
of
what
we
think
is
charming
about
a
post-war
ranch
home
and
it's
making
it
something
that
we
think
it
isn't
not
that
we
couldn't
make
it
nice
looking
but
I,
just
don't
think
making
it
maybe
more.
Colonial
is
is
kind
of
the
idea
that
that
the
owners
want
to
go
with.
Here,
too,
seems
to
be
some
of
the
similar
views
to
it.
U
U
So,
quite
frankly,
if
if
it
was
decided
that
the
second
floor,
Edition
would
really
be
the
direction
to
go,
I'm
not
sure
that
the
owners
would
agree
to
move
that
way.
It
doesn't
really
work
functionally
for
family
room
and
kitchen
addition
that
they
want
to
do,
but
we
did
want
to
want
to
show
that
that
option
does
exist.
B
U
U
Maybe
it
didn't
show
up
on
there.
I
think
I
hit
it
on
the
application,
but
I
think
it
adds
about
eight
feet
or
so
to
the
Ridgeline.
V
U
M
Did
you
so
it's
the
first
scheme
that
we're
supposed
to
vote
on
the
second
one
is
is
an
academic
demonstration
of
why
the
first
scheme
is
better
yeah.
B
The
second
one
is
how
the
zoning
code
is
currently
structured.
Did
if
that's
what
the
zoning
code
wants.
Someone
if
you
look
at
all
properties
is
just
a
commodity.
That's
what
it
wants
you
to
do,
but,
yes,
he
is
choosing
to
do
something
different.
A
But
this
is
questions
for
the
applicants.
Yeah
I
have
a
question,
but
I
want
to
let
other
people
ask
so
the
question
that
I
have
on
page
84.
Oh
that
one
right
there.
There
is
a
line,
the
ridge,
the
original
Ridge
line.
That
goes
so
we're
looking
at
the
proposed
here.
O
U
U
It
is
continuous,
it's
purely
a
graphic,
so
the
existing
home
I've
built
is
a
block
and
then
the
addition
is
a
block
and
where
the
two
blocks
come
together
as
much
as
I
tried.
I
could
not
eliminate
it
graphically,
but
it
is
meant
to
be
one
continuous
plane.
A
It's
just
so
you're
changing
it
from
a
a
roof
that
is
you're
you're
altering
the
the
depth
of
the
roof,
correct
in
a
sense
keeping.
A
A
A
V
I
think
this
is
exactly
the
kind
of
thing
I
want
to
see.
My
neighbor
do
I
mean
honestly
I
mean
you
see
lots
of
examples
in
Evanston
of
those
Second
Story
editions
and
they
don't
look
contiguous
and
they
look
a
little
awkward,
even
if
they've
been
there
for
60
years.
H
I
would
agree
because
I've
you
know,
after
going
through
the
Bungalow
belt
and
seeing
all
those
pop
tops
and
all
those
you
know,
incompatible
additions.
I
do
think
that
this
Edition
is
a
great
design
and
I
was
in
the
packet
that
it,
while
this
building
is
not
currently
contributing
to
the
historic
district
that
if
it
was
resurveyed,
it
probably
would
be
listed
as
contributing
due
to
its
mid-century
modern
design.
But
I
think
this
Edition
would
not
take
away
from
that.
P
I'll
be
a
third
voice
in
the
same
line.
I
think
the
original
house,
as
is,
is
absolutely
adorable.
I
think
that
the
addition
is
just
so
respectful
of
that
massing
and
to
take
the
step
to
go
forward
with
the
major
variants
that
you
know
might
be
more
difficult
just
because
it's
a
way
better
design
I
think
it's
very
successful.
Yeah.
M
I
think
the
addition
is
what
we
would
describe
as
sympathetic
to
the
original
and
I
think
we
should
actually,
in
this
case,
think
about
making
a
recommendation
to
the
zoning
Board
of
the
p.
A
positive
recommendation
is
only
word
of
appeals
as
well
as
our.
However,
we
vote
on
the
certificate
of
appropriateness.
We.
A
Can
do
it
the
same
way?
We
did
it
last
time
we
have
two
separate
votes.
I
I
wanted
to
add
to
commend
you
for
reusing
the
brick,
that's
not
something
that
everybody
does,
and
it's
I
hope
that
you
are
able
to
do
that
as
much
as
possible,
that
that
is
a
a
positive
thing
that
we
want
to
see.
A
People
doing
and
also
I
thought
that
the
a
slight
differentiation
between
the
addition
and
the
the
rest
of
the
siding
between
the
addition
and
the
original
is
also
very
much
in
keeping
with
the
way
things
way.
I
would
like
to
see
preservation
moving
forward
so
that
there's
just
a
little
bit
of
a
differentiation
between
the
original
and
the
new.
A
O
T
I
was
just
going
to
say,
and
this
might
come
into
play
more
in
the
when
we
talk
about
the
zoning
variants,
but
the
I
also
think
it's
sympathetic
to
the
historic
properties
around
it
in
terms
of
the
massing
and
the
patterns,
and
things
like
that.
So
I
appreciate
that.
A
Oh
so
just
go
ahead
and
read
the
first
part
of
it
that
that's
underlined
there
and
then
the
part
of
the
paragraph
that's
specific
to
this
COA.
V
Got
it,
this
is
my
first,
so
new
business
in
1041,
Ridge,
Court,
Ridge,
historic
district,
23,
Prez,
uh-0161,
Mark,
demsky
architecting,
the
applicant
on
behalf
of
the
homeowners
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
alter
the
homes.
West
elevation
fedestration,
replacing
the
existing
jealousy
Windows
constructed
constructive
bracket,
Gable
overhang
it
at
the
homes,
West
entryway,
and
construct
single
and
two-story
Edition
to
the
homes,
Northeast
volume.
Okay,.
A
Okay,
commissioner,
Cohen
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
and
just
do
a
regular
vote
rather
than
a
roll
call.
So
all
in
favor
say
aye.
E
A
Aye
all
opposed
anyone,
I'm
staying
okay
motion
carries
we
can
move
on
to
deliberating
on
the
if
we
want
to
make
a
motion
or
a
suggested
path
forward
for
the
land
use
variation,
I.
H
Just
just
have
a
a
quick
comment
in
terms
of
I
mean
thank
you
for
doing
all
the
extra
work
to
show
how
a
major
zoning
of
request
is
the
correct
way
to
do
it
visually,
seeing
both
I
think
would
have
would
help
the
land
use
commission
see
why
this
currently
proposed
a
design
is
the
one
that's
better,
even
though
the
zoning
code
says
is
directing
you
in
the
other
direction.
So
thank
you
for
that
word.
I.
M
Think
the
pass
out
that
you
gave
us
is
a
very
strong
argument
to
make
before
the
zba,
and
it
basically
demonstrates
that,
given
the
setbacks,
because
it's
a
corner
lot,
it's
impossible
to
alter
the
house
in
any
way.
Under
the
current
zoning.
A
I
would
I
would
like
to
add
that
I
do
think
that
the
case
has
been
made
for
the
the
the
sheet.
That's
the
determination
of
special
uses
and
variations
under
letter
a
necessary
and
appropriate
in
the
interest
of
historic
conservation.
So
I
would
be
in
favor
of
making
a
positive
recommendation
for
this
major
variance.
If
we
were
to
vote
on
that.
M
A
P
F
A
All
right
is
there
a
second
for
that
motion.
Okay,
second,
in
my
commissioner
Cohen
all
in
favor,
aye
aye
all
opposed
anyone.
I've
seen
all
right
motion
carries.
Thank
you.
A
We
are
approaching
nine
o'clock
and
in
the
past
we
have
taken
a
short
five
minute
break
at
nine,
so
we
can
continue
for
on
to
the
next
item
or
we
can
take
a
break
now
and
call
that
our
nine
o'clock
break.
How
do
you
guys
feel
about
that
five
minutes
to
stand
up?
I'm
sorry.
A
A
B
1231
Maple
Avenue
in
the
ridge,
historic
district
case
number,
23,
press,
0159,
Jeannie,
petrick,
architect
and
applicant
on
behalf
of
the
homeowner
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
the
home's
entry
Portico
and
construct
an
open,
roofed
front
porch
at
the
home's
primary
Street
facing
elevation
preservation.
Commission
is
the
determining
body
for
this
case
in
accordance
with
code,
section
288,
Genie.
W
Hi,
my
name
is
Jeannie
petrick
I'm
here
representing
Stephen
and
Sarah,
the
homeowners
of
this
beautiful
property
at
1231
Maple
Avenue.
W
Currently
they
have
a
front
Portico,
that's
somewhat
of
a
colonial.
If
we
did
a
little
research
with
the
Sanborn
Maps,
it
shows
an
existing
porch
was
there
originally,
the
house
was
built
in
1889
and
I
can't
speak
for
my
clients,
but
I'm
assuming
you
know
with
coven
stuff.
You
really
start
to
realize
the
importance
of
front
porch
and
the
connection
to
the
community.
W
Their
street
is
a
beautiful
street
with
front
porches
on
probably
about
at
least
80
percent
of
the
houses,
and
this
house
did
originally
have
one,
and
so
our
goal
was
to
bring
back
the
original
structure
with
respect
of
the
existing
house
and
the
style
and
structure
of
the
stick
Victorian
from
the
late
1800s.
W
So
as
the
I
guess,
let
me
see
let's
go
to
the
rendering.
Is
that
the
last
or.
B
M
A
F
W
Respect
to
similar
houses
on
the
street
we
kind
of
interpret
like
it
would
be
all
new
wood
structure
where
we
were
removing
all
the
brick
concrete
stairs
that
are
originally
there.
W
We
still
want
to
keep
the
pediment
at
the
front
entry
so
that
we
can
avoid
having
any
kind
of
gutters
or
whatever
to
pitch
the
water
away
from
the
front
entry,
and
then
the
the
detail
in
the
pediment
is
reflective
of
what
is
original
and
existing
up
in
the
eve
of
the
main
roof
line.
W
We
also
want
to
replace.
There
was
some
sighting
that
we
believe
was
probably
done
later
in
time.
If
you
look
at
the
side
existing
the
South
Side
existing
pitch
roof,
there's
shingles
and
on
the
North,
correct,
I,
think
just
the
South,
and
we
want
to
repeat
that
on
the
front
as
well
above
those
three
Windows
under
the
the
main
Ridge
and
then
the
style
of
the
columns
are
something
that
are
similar
on
the
street
as
well
as
would
be
more
reflective
of
the
stick
architecture
versus
what
was
original.
W
What
is
existing
right
now,
which
is
more
of
a
colonial
column,
that
we
have
were
taking
the
front
porch
to
the
maximum
that
it
can
within
the
zoning
restrictions
and
the
stairs
which
are
allowed
to
are
extend
into
the
front
yard
setback
there
is
this
rendering
doesn't
really
show
the
tree
and
the
size
of
it?
That
is
kind
of
right
in
front
of
where
we're
proposing
that
South
excuse
me
southwest
corner
post
is
but
we'll
propose
supporting
like
doing
a
false
support
underneath
the
framing,
and
so
that
we
wouldn't
damage
the
existing
tree.
W
W
All
the
detailing
is
very
similar
to
what
is
shown
in
the
neighborhood
All,
Wood
Construction
and
then
just
a
simple
one,
one
inch
square
post
at
three
inches
on
Center
and
then
Kate
I,
don't
know
where
my
are:
the
existing
drawings
yeah,
okay,
so
in
the
existing
it
has
impediment
with
columns
but
the
colonial
more
of
a
colonial
style
pediment
as
well,
and
then
it
has
a
concrete
structure
with
brick
adhered
to
it,
that
we
would
all
demolish
and
then
and
then
we'd
propose
the
new
wood
structure
in
front.
W
These
are
actually
on
Elmwood,
but
I
was
I,
took
these
photos
because
I
was
actually
in
particular,
looking
at
the
gridded
detail
over
the
pediments.
These
are
probably
a
block
away
north
of
Dempster.
F
W
Elmwood
and
then
I
showed
a
few
other.
Those
are
still
the
same
too
and
then
this
is
a
house,
that's
on
Chicago
and
Green,
it's
Greenwood
Greenwood,
but
you
can
notice.
They
have
the
simple,
similar
gridded
detail
on
the
face
of
the
main
home,
and
then
they
repeated
it
again
on
the
pediment
at
its
front
entry.
N
M
N
V
M
M
I
mean
yeah
I
mean
the
ionic
column
capitals,
if
remained
largely
the
same
for
centuries
and
centuries
and
centuries,
and
this
is
a
really
strange
version
of
it
and
I.
Don't
know
whether
it's
the
graphics
or
whether
this
is
some
Carpenter
making
one
up
on
his
own.
If
it
is
in
fact
a
carpenter
making
one
up
on
his
own,
it's
the
most
unique
thing
I've
ever
seen
so.
M
It's
a
limit
in
other
cat,
oh
okay,
so
I
guess
my
question
would
be
instead
of
constructing
the
square
columns
with
the
recessed
panels
and
then
a
square
rather
than
a
capital
that
has
any
kind
of
simarecta
curvature
to
it
on.
M
Why
didn't
you
think,
did
you
consider
reusing
these
columns
and
then
buying
a
Chatsworth
ionic
column
for
the
corner?
I
mean
they're
they're
made
out
of
materials.
Now
that
will
Outlast
the
wood
that
you're
homemade
following.
M
The
resin,
the
resin
ones,
yeah
I,
mean
the
thing
with
your
panelized
column,
with
the
stuff
wrapped
around.
It
is
that
in
five
years
after
moisture
gets
in
there,
it's
gonna
come
apart,
and
since
they're
ionic
columns
there
now
I'd
love
for
you
to
consider
just
going
out
and
buying
some
really
nice
ionic
columns
and
unless
you've
decided
it's
totally
inappropriate
to
the
redesign.
M
You've
done
so
I
mean
you're,
the
you're,
the
architect,
and
that
certainly
wouldn't
keep
me
from
voting
against
giving
you
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
because
I
think
you've
done
a
really
nice
job.
Thank.
W
You
I
did
actually
propose
us
to
use
a
column
by
a
Sarah.
Sarah
really
wanted
to
say
it
within
respect
to
the
Victorian
stick
architecture
and
there
are
some
houses
that
are
I'm,
forgetting
exactly
where,
but
that
have
a
very
similar
column.
I
think
one
is
adjacent
right:
oh
yours,
yes,
their
neighbors
and
then
I
believe
across
the
street.
There
might
be
squared
or
the
rectangular
ones
as
well.
A
R
And
just
say
your
name
I'm
the
homeowner
at
1231
Maple.
Unfortunately,
both
of
the
current
columns
are
rotten
and
have
been
bonded
by
prior
owners
already
and
so
I
I
feel
like
they
would
need
to
have
significant
work
done
to
them
to
reuse
them.
I
I
myself
am
in
an
environmental
science
teacher.
So
I
want
to
reuse
everything
that
we
can,
but
in
that
case
I
think
it
just
wouldn't
have
any
Integrity
left.
A
I
I
have
a
question
and
I
just
was
wondering
what
the
roof
of
this
porch
is
going
to
be
because
I
don't
see
that
called
out
on
the
plan.
I'm
sure
that
it
is
I
just
missed.
W
It
maybe
yeah
it
would
be
caught
out
on
the
elevation.
W
Section
it's
asphalt,
shingles
to
match
the
existing
roof.
A
All
right
seeing
none
thank
you.
Is
there
anyone
here
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak
on
this,
come
on.
B
Q
X
My
name
is
Jeff
hickey
and
my
wife
Annette
Remke
is
here.
We
both
live
at
1227
Maple,
it's
the
home
immediately
to
the
south
on
the
same
side
of
the
street,
so
I
have
just
a
few
very
brief
thoughts.
It's
late
and
I'm
sure
you'd
all
like
to
get
home.
X
You
know,
porches
are
a
connection
to
the
community
and
I
know
that
the
porch
we
have.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
connect
with
people
that
are
walking
down
the
street
that
we
know
from
the
neighborhood,
and
you
can't
do
that
from
Sarah's
home.
It's
a
stoop
and
one
of
the
things
that's
remarkable
is
they
took
a
beautiful
full
width,
porch
and
replaced
it
with
a
stoop
and
I
would
love
to
see
it
moved
back
to
the
way
it
once
was.
X
I
also
know
that
you
know
this
is
I
mean
we
could
conserve
what's
there,
but
my
preference
would
be
to
go
back
and.
X
Was
there
120
years
ago
to
me
that's
a
much
better
use
of
the
porch
and
finally,
you
know
I
think
the
the
the
look
of
the
porch
is
not
in
keeping
with
the
neighborhood.
It's
this
little
Colonial
tacon
sort
of
thing,
whereas
most
of
the
porches,
almost
every
porch
on
the
street
is
a
full
width.
Porch
with
columns
and
many
of
them
with
one-inch,
pickets
and
I
would
love
to
see
something
that
complements
the
neighborhood.
Rather.
F
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
anyone
else
here
to
speak?
Okay,
did
we
get
any
comments
in
writing?
No.
Okay,
no
comments
in
writing.
Would
you
would
the
applicant
like
to
respond
to
that
comment
or
no
okay?
In
that
case,
we
will
move
on
to
deliberation
any
comments
from
discussion
rather
from
commissioners.
H
I'm
just
going
to
keep
it
short
I,
do
appreciate
what
you
were
saying:
I
mean
I've
blocked
this
block
again
after
walking
it
in
a
previous
time.
For
a
previous
application.
It
is
a
lovely
block
with
a
lot
of
landmark
buildings
and
you
were
right,
I
think
restoring
the
porch
would
would
add
very
nicely
to
that
community
community
feel
and
then
also
the
addition
at
the
top
above
the
three
Windows.
H
A
I
would
like
to
add
that
I
was
happy
to
see
the
fake
shutters
go
just
as
a
side
note,
since
we're
talking
about
what
we
like
about
this
project.
Does
anyone?
If,
if
we're
done
with
deliberation,
we
can
have
a
motion,
go
ahead.
O
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
1231,
Maple,
Avenue,
Bridge,
historic
district,
23,
Prez,
0159,
applicable
standards,
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration,
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
fourteen.
Do
you
want
me
to
read
the
description.
F
Yeah
Genie,
Patrick,
architect
and
applicant.
A
F
A
Okay,
moving
on
to
the
last
item
in
new
business,
1734
Asbury,
Avenue,
Landmark,
rhd,
23
or
rhd
Ridge
historic
district,
23,
prez0160
I
could
staff.
Please
read
this
case
into
the
record.
B
A
1734
Asbury
Avenue,
a
landmark
in
the
ridge,
historic
district
case
number
23,
pre-s-0160,
Charles,
Newhouse,
Hanson,
roofing,
contractor
and
applicant
on
behalf
of
the
homeowner
submits
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
remove
the
home's
existing
slate
tile
roof
install
an
asphalt,
shingle
roof
in
its
place.
Preservation
commission
is
the
determining
body
for
this
case
in
accordance
with
code,
section
288
Charles,
when
you're
ready.
D
Yes,
I
am
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak
tonight.
I've
been
with
Hanson
roofing
for
the
last
45
years
and
I've
won
it
for
most
of
that
time
and
I'm
here
to
represent
the
homeowners
at
the
property
and
to
let
you
know
that
they
really
it's
a.
It
would
be
a
big
burden
for
them
to
spend
an
additional
eighty
thousand
dollars
to
put
a
new
slate
roof
on
the
roof
right
now,
we've
taken
care
of
since
they've
owned
the
house
and
it's
just
dilapidated
and
it
needs
to
be
replaced.
D
It's
a
two-story
roof
and
it's
from
this
from
the
ground,
the
sight
lines.
You
don't
see
a
lot
of
the
tile
itself
and
we
were
proposing
to
put
you
know:
either
a
grand
man
or
a
real
nice
asphalt,
shingle
roof.
You
know
we
can
go
with
whatever
you
guys
would
like,
because
the
homeowner
would
just
wants
to
put
an
asphalt,
shingle
roof
on
and
on
this
roof,
which
it
has
a
slate
line
which
we
could
put
that
type
on
that
had
a
slate
roof
on
it.
In
the
neighborhood
there's
14
homes.
D
His
is
the
only
home
with
a
slate
roof.
On
it
right
now,
so
I
don't
think
it
would
detract
from
the
neighborhood
and
the
big
part
of
it
is
that
we're
changing
all
the
inlet
gutters
we're
fixing
all
the
carpentry
below
that
there's
a
lot
of
cornice
work
and
all
that
other
stuff.
So
we're
fixing
all
that
up
and
we're
restoring
it
and
we're
putting
new
copper
gutters
in
in
soldering
all
the
seams
and
such
new
downspouts,
and
he
just
doesn't
have
the
extra
eighty
thousand
dollars.
The
project
is
over.
D
A
Hi
Chuck
did
you
want
to
show
us
what.
A
You
want
to
just
speak
where
the
microphone
is
yeah
thanks.
D
Slate
line
roof,
which
is
actually
on
this
building
right
now,
it
used
to
have
a
Buckingham
slate
on
it
and
they
changed
it
maybe
20
years
ago,
or
so.
D
D
M
Chart
is
the
thicker
asphalt,
shingle
roof
that
has
more
profile
to
it,
a
more
expensive
roof
and
what's
what's
the
variation
there?
This
is
a
about
one
and
a
half.
D
D
H
D
D
Yeah,
yes,
he'll.
We
gave
him
a
place
for
the
Grand
Manor
and
we
gave
him
a
price
for
the
just.
The
standard
laminated
asphalt,
shingle
and
he
said
whatever
you
guys
would
approve,
would
be
great,
and
there
is
some
asphalt
shingles
on
this
roof
presently,
which
is
the.
E
D
D
A
T
Just
questions
yeah,
okay,
so
on
on
page
140
of
the
packet,
you
show
an
original
and
then
the
comparing
existing
and
proposed
conditions
with
with
the
grand
manner,
and
that's
the
one
that
you
said,
part
of
the
roof
has
Grand
mana
on
it.
Now
it's
not
one
of
these
right.
It's.
D
Q
P
A
I
have
a
question
about
what
is
visible.
Actually,
that
was
what
I
came
here
the
question
and
there
was
a
see
if
we
can
find
that
page.
It's
I
think
the
first
one,
it's
a
kind
of
blown
out
photo
copy.
So
can
you
help
us
understand
what
we're
looking
at
here?
Please
Chuck.
D
That's
a
aerial
view
of
the
home
and
it's
just
showing
you
the
pitch
and
the
Dormers
that
are
on
it
and
the
inlay
gutters
around
the
perimeter
is
hard
to
see
actually
but.
D
Okay,
let
me
show
you.
D
H
A
A
Of
the
roof
that
we're
actually
looking
at,
do
you
have
a
sense
of
that.
V
D
D
M
Manner,
yeah
and
the
same
thing
in
the
lower
image:
yes,
slate
and
Grand
manner.
Okay,
I
can
only
speak
for
myself
stuff
like
this
breaks,
my
heart,
but
we
can't
in
good
conch
I,
can't
in
good
conscience,
tell
somebody
to
spend
an
extra
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
on
their
roof
so
that
what
they're
going
to
do
is
to
match
the
Grand
Manor
site
that
we
see
in
the
place
in
the
upper
yeah.
A
P
D
D
New
copper
in
in
the
the
other
thing,
too,
is
what
I
was
going
to
say
was
that
you
know
they're
getting
older
and
they
they
sell
the
house,
and
if
somebody
wants
to
restore
it,
they
can
take
that
roof
off
and
put
a
new
slate
roof
on
if
they
so
desire,
and
that
the
the
sheet
metal
work
that's
done
on
the
gutters
and
the
downspouts
would
all
would
be
good
for
50
years.
So
they
could.
It
could
go
back
to
its
original
design.
A
Other
questions
for
the
applicant
all
right,
thank
you,
so
we're
going
to
deliberate
now.
Did
anyone
want
to
have
some
comments?
Commissioner?
Cohen
did
you
want
to
keep
saying
whatever
you
wanted
to
say.
V
I
mean,
in
addition
to
the
you
know
what
Mr
Cohen
said
about
saving
these
people.
Not
even
every
other
house
doesn't
have
slate,
and
that
seems
to
be
what
the
commission
usually
does
and
furthermore,
most
the
houses
that
I
saw
on
the
Block
have
the
more
traditional
style,
architectural
shingle,
rather
than
the
more
expensive
Grand
Manor.
So
it
would
seem
to
me
to
be
a
little
unfair
to
require
the
homeowner
to
take
the
more
expensive
route
unless
I'd
be
interested
to
hear
why,
if
that
was
the
case,.
N
B
A
I
was
just
going
to
note
for
the
record
that
we're
talking
about
standard
standards
for
alteration
number
six
deteriorated
architectural
features
shall
be
repaired
rather
than
replaced
Whenever
Wherever
possible
and
then,
in
the
event,
that
replacement
is
necessary.
The
new
material
should
match
the
material
being
replaced
in
composition,
design,
color,
texture
and
other
visual
qualities,
and
so
on.
That's
the
standard
that
that.
B
A
H
You
want
to
say
something:
just
you
know
I
the
way
I
I
see
it
is
if,
if
the
roof
is
such
a
big
contributing
factor
to
to
the
significance
of
the
home,
I
could
see
the
the
argument
being
made
for
for
something
that's
more
compatible
with
the
Slate.
But
since
after
hearing
you
know,
most
of
the
roof
is
probably
not
going
to
be
visible.
M
Yeah
I
move.
We
we
Grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
1735
Asbury
Avenue,
Landmark,
rhd,
23
Prez
0160
to
approve
the
replacement
of
the
slate
roof
currently
on
the
house
with
Grand
Manor
shingles.
To
look
like
those
Illustrated
on
page
141.
Q
M
The
submission
applicable
standards
for
alteration
one
through
ten.
A
I
think
he
was
our
second
second
okay,
I
think
we
can
do
a
voice
vote
unless
anyone
so
a
Voice
vote.
All
in
favor
aye
all
opposed
abstain.
Okay
motion
carries
thank
you.
A
Okay,
that
is
the
end
of
new
business.
We'll
move
on
to
approval
of
meeting
minutes.
Do
we
still
need
to
approve
them.
A
All
right,
seeing
none
we'll
assume
those
to
be
approved
and
move
on
to
the
discussion
of
what
will
be
taken.
A
is
the
disaster,
recovery
and
debris
management
plan
staff.
You
wanna
the
lesson.
B
I'll,
keep
it
relatively
simple:
the
city
has
been
engaged
in
creating
a
disaster,
recovery
and
debris
management
plan.
It's
currently
a
draft
document,
so
I
wasn't
able
to
share
it
in
the
packet,
but
there
is
an
opportunity,
there's
a
whole
section
devoted
to
the
treatment
of
historic
resources,
both
within
the
districts
and
landmark
properties
and
I.
Think
the
purpose
of
putting
this
on
the
agenda
was
to
ask
if
there
was
a
commissioner
or
two
who
would
like
to
review
that
in
more
detail
and
provide
some
comments
on
what
that
section
might
look
like.
A
A
J
A
They're,
not
former
Commissioners,
yet
I'm
told
that's
true
now
is
there?
Is
there
are
any
of
the
architect
members
interested
in
having
a
look
at
this
disaster
recovery
and
debris
management
plan
when
it's
available
to
help
us
out.
B
B
It
tends
to
be
different
because
you,
you
might
want
to
leave
some
of
that
debris
on
site,
to
see
what
you
can
salvage
to
try
to
figure
out
what
material
belongs
to
what
house
allow
for
extensive
photo
documentation
of
those
properties
afterwards
and
also
disallow
demolition,
where
demolition
would
be
expedited
for
a
lot
of
properties
in
that,
in
an
instance
like
that,
and
and
specifically
in
our
region,
I
think
the
plan
is
focused
on
assuming
a
disaster
of
like
an
ef4.
You
have
five
tornado
that
comes
through
is
what
they're
looking
at.
M
Was
just
drug
commanding
that
perhaps
the
person
to
take
a
look
at
it
would
be
the
previous
mayor,
Steve
Hagerty.
He
has
a
company
that
does
disaster
management.
A
So
so
we
do
have
a
few
ideas
of
who
could
have
a
look.
This
came
up
because
we
were
just.
We
were
talking
about
what
happened
Hawaii
recently
and
how
some
of
the
folks
there
have
been.
You
know
struggling
what
to
do
with
their
historic
properties.
M
A
But
in
any
case
it
just
is
a
kind
of
coincidence
that
we
were
talking
about
whether
you
know
there
is
a
disaster
management
plan
in
Evanston
and
then
they
happen
to
be.
You
know
as
a
result
of
what
happened
in
Hawaii,
so
I
think
we've
covered
that
right.
So
we
can
move
on
to
be
upcoming,
October
historic
preservation,
newsletter.
B
This
again
is
relatively
simple:
we
did.
The
first
newsletter
was
very
well
received.
I
heard
that
many
council
members
included
it
in
their
board.
News
letters
as
well.
I
think
the
plan
or
intent
of
this
in
this
as
a
discussion
topic,
is
to
create
almost
a
schedule
to
try
to
keep
this
more
regular.
B
So
the
Commissioners
are
are
able
to
say
yes,
I,
have
an
interest
in
contributing,
but
also
understand
what
the
what
the
associated
deadlines
are
for
when
a
draft
would
need
to
be
received,
and
also
when
that
content
would
be
need
to
be
finalized
to
be
included
and
that
schedule
was
included.
I
also
included
a
series
of
which
we've
talked
about,
maybe
across
the
last
two
or
three
meetings,
but
a
series
of
different
topic
areas
that
people
throughout.
So
you
don't
have
to
stick
to
those.
B
Those
are
just
ideas,
but
if
you
have
any
any
ideas,
just
feel
free
to
reach
out
it'd
be
nice
to
I,
don't
know
what
do
you
think
have.
H
A
Know
I
I
think
that's
great.
The
Legacy
Business
program
has
come
up
a
couple
times
when
we
were
talking
about
our
newsletter,
which
I
think
I
feel
like
we
should
have
a
sentence
or
two
sort
of
you
know
bringing
Folks
up
to
speed
that
are
on
that
are
receiving
this
newsletter.
Are
you
available
to
offer
some
wording
on
that?
That
would
be
great,
so
he'll
give
us
a
little
bit
of
that,
and
then
we
were
I
was
just
thinking
about
the
timing.
So
if
it's
going
to
go
out,
October
20th
am
I.
A
Reading
this
right
Kate
it
would
go
up
so
then
the
draft
would
be
October
6
and
then
we
would
take
a
week
or
so
to
kind
of
look
it
over
yeah.
So
is
October
6,
okay,
for
you
to
provide
something
for
legacy
business,
okay,
other
thoughts
that
could
be
items
that
folks
can
contribute
by
October
6
to
Kate.
A
T
I
I,
unfortunately,
I
am
going
to
be
out
traveling
for
a
few
weeks,
so
I
definitely
can't
do
something
by
October
6th,
but
I
think
I
may
mentioned
to
you.
I
I,
like
it.
When
people
come
in
and
have
actually
looked
at
the
Sanborn
Maps.
You
know
when
yeah
and
I
think
it'd
be
great
at
some
point
to
put
that
in
there.
B
There's
also
a
really
nice.
It's
funny.
You
say
that
there's
a
really
wonderful
database
that
I,
don't
everyone
I've
shared
it
with,
has
been
like
oh
I've,
never
heard
of
this,
but
the
University
of
Illinois
has
this
Statewide
historic
aerial
photographs
that
were
taken,
so
they
photographed
the
entire
state
of
Illinois
between
the
1920s
and
1935.
B
It
took
about
15
years,
I
think
and
it's
a
it's
a
tremendous
resource
and
the
quality
of
these
aerial
images
are
phenomenal
and
it's
just
it's
a
GIS
supported
website
that
you
can
click
on
the
individual
images,
wonderful
resource,
the
University
of
Illinois
also
houses
a
lot
of
the
Sanborn
Maps
as
well.
That.
B
A
H
Appropriate
for
that
it
might
be
interesting
to
include,
is
how
to
research.
Your
house,
the
Evanston
History
Center,
has
building
files
on
on
a
lot
of
buildings.
I
know
that
it's
just
an
interesting
resource
that
people
are
interested
to
learn
more
about
their
house,
because
it
has
the
record
of
permits
and
and
whatnot
so
I
mean
it's
just
a
sentence
or
two
like
go
check
out.
The
archive
at
the
here.
V
A
So
so
we
would
have
the
Legacy
business.
We
would
have
some
some
blurb
about
what
we've
been
describing
here:
kind
of
re
available
resources.
A
few
quick
links
is
that
something
that
you
could
put
in
there:
okay
and
then
there
will
be
a
letter
for
me
and
perhaps
a
partner
Spotlight.
A
We
could
perhaps
remind
people
that
the
Aina
Gutierrez
was
here
a
few
months
ago
and
do
a
kind
of
Spotlight
on
her
really
quick.
That
was
in
the
last
one.
B
Is
a
good
point
if
anyone
knows
of
any
events
that
partner
organizations
in
Evanston
or
elsewhere
are
are
doing
that?
If
something
you
can
just
include,
it's
very
easy
to
just
kind
of
create
this
cross-pollination
between
other
organizations
that
have
similar
missions
to
our
own
Maybe.
F
O
A
O
Can't
see
this
I
need
glasses
clearly,
but
I
I
think
one
of
the
things
was
the
was
it
the
shippo?
Whatever
the
tax-free
thing,
I
think
it'd
be
lovely
to
have
something
like
that,
and
there.
A
A
I
think
actually
yeah
the
yeah
kind
of
an
overview
of
that
incentives.
Yeah.
F
V
We
do
need
space
I'm,
the
president
of
the
southeast,
Evans
Association,
and
what
we
do
is
advocate,
for
you
know
the
preservation
of
the
build
spaces
and
natural
spaces
so
like
it
would
dovetail
well
at
some
point
if
we
need
space-
and
it
would
be
very
easy
for
me
to
do
all.
A
O
Did
talk
to
them
because
I'm
trying
to
do
this
for
my
own
house,
but
they
offered
to
like
do
a
presentation
for
Evanston
or
I,
mean
I,
don't
know,
there's
maybe
an
opportunity
we
could.
They
know
there's
a
lot
of
historic
properties
here.
I
think
they
deal
with
a
lot
of
homeowners
here.
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
through
the
library
or
you
know
we
could
potentially
get
some
meeting
or
maybe
they
come
here.
I'm,
not
sure
we
advertise
that
I
don't
know,
but
it's
an
opportunity.
We
can
explore
yeah.
A
We
were
actually
going
to
have
a
speaker
the
way
that
we
had
before
a
few
months
ago,
but
when
we
saw
that
the
agenda
was
going
to
be
kind
of
long
tonight,
we
decided
to
so
she's
going
to
come
next
time
for
for
that's
a
landmarks,
Illinois
yeah.
A
So
so
we
can
invite
the
chefo
to
send
somebody
here
for
the
for
that.
You
know
kind
of
speaker
series
that
we're
trying
to
start
to
that's
great
well,
that's
did
anyone
else
have
anything
to
say
about
the
newsletter.