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A
A
The
city
of
evanston's
preservation
ordinance
empowers
this
body
to
safeguard
our
community's
historical,
historic,
cultural
and
Architectural
heritage.
The
commission
encourages
pardon
me,
encourages
public
participation
and
affords
due
process
through
public
hearings
on
proposed
Landmark
designations
and
applications
for
certificates
of
appropriateness.
A
The
ordinance
requires
Commissioners
to
apply
specific
review
standards
and
includes
the
ability
to
consider
economic
hardship
and
special
Merit
as
needed.
We
ask
all
members
of
the
public,
as
well
as
the
applicants
present
to
be
respectful
of
tonight's
proceedings
and
adopt
the
decorum
necessary
to
facilitate
impartial
discussion
and
debate.
We
ask
anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
commission
to
sign
in
and
indicate
the
discussion
item,
designation
or
application
to
be
addressed.
A
The
first
order
of
business
tonight
will
be
public
comment
on
items
listed
under
discussion
on
the
meeting
agenda
for
old
and
new
business.
The
chair
of
the
commission
will
ask
staff
to
read
each
case
into
the
record.
Once
the
case
has
been
read
into
the
record,
the
applicant
presents
an
overview
of
The
Proposal,
including
evidence,
and
testimony
that
support
the
applicable
standards
being
met.
A
The
Commissioners
will
then
ask
questions
of
the
applicant
following
the
questioning
period.
Members
of
the
public
may
speak
toward
the
application,
keeping
their
comments
to
three
minutes
or
less
following
public
comment,
the
applicant
will
have
the
opportunity
to
rebut
any
evidence
or
testimony
against
the
application,
as
it
relates
to
the
standards
for
review.
A
A
Oh,
actually
we're
going
to
start
with
public
comment.
Sorry!
Is
there
anyone
here
from
the
public
who
wishes
to
speak
on
the
discussion
item
tonight,
which
is
Chicago
Avenue,
multimodal
Corridor
improvements?
A
Did
anyone
sign
up
online
to
speak?
Okay,
seeing
none?
The
next
item
of
business
is
a
presentation
from
Evanston
rebuilding
Exchange.
Do
we
read
this
this
little
description?
If
you
would
please
come
and
introduce
yourself?
Thank
you.
So
much
for
being
here
tonight,
we've
asked:
we've
talked
about
roughly
10
minutes
for
a
presentation,
I.
B
Good
evening
my
minor
Gutierrez
I'm,
the
executive
director
of
the
rebuilding
exchange
I,
presented
a
few
slides
just
to
actually
share
more
pictures
than
anything
of
what
the
rebuilding
exchange
does
as
well
as
deconstruction
specifically,
and
how
that
intersects,
with
historic
preservation,
as
well
as
the
commission.
So
do
I
say
next
slide.
Is
that
how
we're
going
to
do
this.
B
B
We
have
two
stores
that
are
open
to
the
public,
one
in
Evanston,
we're
headquartered
in
Evanston
and
one
in
Chicago
in
the
Bucktown
neighborhood
that
are
full
of
salvaged,
donated
building
material,
and
we
divert
more
than
three
million
pounds
of
building
material
a
year
from
landfills.
We
do
tons
of
educational
and
Outreach
programs
and
Evenson.
Many
of
you
have
maybe
come
to
our
family,
build
programs.
B
We
are
piloting,
Middle
School
woodworking,
really
putting
tools
into
folks's
hands,
not
only
to
have
some
fun
and
to
work
with
reclaimed
material,
but
also
to
learn
more
about
your
home
and
to
have
a
safe
and
happy
home.
So
we're
piloting
also
workshops
on
like
intro
to
HVAC
intro
to
plumbing
and
electrical,
and
then
we
are
the
only
non-profit,
deconstruction
service
provider.
So
we
take
apart
houses
by
hand
for
recycling
and
reuse
and
it's
really
sites
for
work-based
learning.
B
Our
folks
that
are
in
our
Building
Trades
programs
are
overcoming
barriers
and
are
working
on
the
job
about
80
and
I'll.
Talk
more
about
that
in
a
moment,
and
then
we
have
two
Building
Trades
training
programs,
one
is
Transitional
employment
and
that's
how
our
deconstruction
services
are
done
and
then,
just
a
year
ago,
we
pilot,
we
started
a
Building
Trades
pre-apprenticeship
program
to
get
folks
into
the
Union
apprenticeships.
B
So
now
we
have
two
options
for
people
either
what
we
call
open
shop,
employment
or
Building,
Trades,
Union,
apprenticeship
programs-
if
you
know
us
in
our
early
years,
we
have
quadrupled
in
size
in
the
last
five
years,
and
so
we
are
a
new
and
growing
organization
and
speaks
I.
Think
a
lot
to
the
scale
in
which
we're
trying
to
address
these
complex
environmental
and
employment
issues
next
slide.
B
So
we
have
three
social
Enterprise
business
lines
and
deconstruction.
Services
is
one
of
them.
So
we
work
with
mostly
residential
homeowners
that
are
seeking
to
do
a
home
renovation
project
and
they
hire
us
and
we
can
deconstruct
their
kitchens
their
whole
homes
bathrooms.
We
do
all
kinds
of
things,
so
this
is
one
way
that
we
generate
Revenue.
Overall,
our
budget
is
about
45
earned
revenue
and
55
percent
raised.
So
we
do
all
the
things
most
nonprofits
do
plus
run
three
businesses
for
good
next
slide.
B
Our
deconstruction
Services
is
also
Workforce
training,
so
we
serve.
This
is
our
transitional
employment.
We
serve
folks
overcoming
barriers
to
employment
who
want
to
get
jobs
in
the
Building
Trades
and
most
the
time.
If
you
can
take
something
apart,
you
know
how
to
put
it
back
together,
so
our
graduates
go
into
everything
from
HVAC
repair,
handy,
Services,
painters,
bricklayers,
drywallers,
the
whole,
the
whole
gamut
next
slide.
B
We
do
what
we
call
Selective
or
partial
deconstruction,
which
this
is
an
example
of
a
kitchen
that
we
took
apart
for
recycling
and
reuse.
The
tax
benefit
to
homeowners
is
that
it's
a
non-cash
donation
to
a
501c3
non-profit.
So,
if
you're
interested
in
learning
more
about
that,
I
can
share,
but
the
value
of
materials
have
a
lot
of
value,
and
that
makes
the
cost
more
competitive
with
demolition
next
slide.
B
We
also
do
structural
complete
deconstruction,
so
this
is.
This
is
hard
to
see
on
the
screen,
but
this
is
a
house
we
took
apart
from
roof
down
to
Foundation
in
Highland
Park.
It
was
a
home
from
1890
that
had
come
to
the
end
of
its
life
and
we
salvaged
every
bit
of
it
using
the
folks
in
our
training
program.
You
could
see
a
lot
of
the
materials
and
kind
of
how
that
came
to
being,
and
you
can't
see
at
the
top,
but
that's
me
on
the
roof
with
a
hard
hat.
B
They
love
me
on
site,
sometimes
and
next
slide,
so
the
impact
there's
lots
of
impacts
to
deconstruction
the
obviously
the
waste
diversion
impact
is
huge
up
to
90
percent
of
our
projects
can
be
recycled
or
reused,
which
is
huge.
It's
really
talking
about
the
weight
of
material
that
we
stay
out
of
landfills
that
can
be
reused
which
helps
with
all
kind
of
environmental
issues,
from
lowering
embodied
carbon
emissions
and
really
maximizing
and
improving
Public
Health.
These
are
a
few
of
our
employer
Partners.
B
So
folks,
like
I,
said,
go
into
all
kinds
of
different
employment
opportunities
in
the
trades
and
then
probably
the
most
well-known
Hazard,
when
we're
taking
apart
demolishing
or
not
taking
apart
demolishing
properties
in
our
community
is
the
public
health
hazard
so
you're
putting
a
bunch
of
dust
harmful
dust
into
the
air
into
the
water
into
the
soil?
So
there's
a
lot
of
benefits
to
deconstruction,
but
this
is
one
that's
really
important
to
us.
B
Okay,
so
next
slide,
so
I
thought
I'd
show
some
pictures
of
some
things
we've
done
recently.
This
is
the
first
project
and
this
is
hyper
Evanston
and
I
thought
might
be
of
interest
to
the
historic
preservation
commission.
So
this
is.
We
were
hired
by
the
North
Shore
YWCA
Evanston
North
Shore
in
their
campus
renovation,
so
they
took
apart
two
houses
that
they
were
using
for
their
domestic
violence,
shelter
and
something
else.
I
can't
remember
to
create
their
beautiful
new
campus
and
we
were
hired
to
take
apart
the
interior.
B
So
if
you
can
see
on
the
next
slide,
we
took
a
bunch
of
laughs
like
more
laugh
than
I
have
never
seen
so
much
laugh
in
my
life
and
our
trainees
then
configured
it.
If
you
want
to
look
at
the
next
slide
and
they
made
it
into
a
counter
skirt,
that
was
all
pieced
together.
B
So
this
is
last
that's
probably
100
years
old
and
that
go
ahead
to
the
next
picture,
and
this
is
the
renovation
of
hewn
Bakery
in
Evanston,
and
if
you
buy
their
delicious
and
expensive
products,
you
will
see
the
corner
skirt
of
the
counter
skirt
of
that.
The
space
is
full
of
one
more
than
100
year
old,
laugh
that
was
harvested
from
the
YWCA.
B
So
that
was
very
cool
and
actually
a
very
interesting
example.
We
don't
do
a
lot
of
making.
We
tend
to
take
things
apart
and
reuse
them,
but
we
can
make
things
and
we
do
make
things,
especially
if
there's
a
long
time,
partnership
and
an
opportunity
to
beautify
our
community
about
40
percent
of
the
folks
we
serve
are
Evanston
residents
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity.
B
People
want
to
be
a
part
of
projects
that
they
can
see,
that
they're,
proud
of
and
that
they
can
share
with
their
friends
and
family,
and
so
this
is
one
example.
The
next
example
I
thought
was
fun.
Was
the
Wilmette
Masonic
temple
a
couple
of
I
think
in
2021
the
developer
hired
us
to
do
an
interior
structural
deconstruction
because
they
created
apartments
for
seniors
using
the
space?
And
if
you
drive
past
that
space,
it
still
says
Masonic
temple
high
in
the
front.
B
If
you
look
to
the
next
slide,
you
can
see
the
space
before
we
deconstructed
it,
and
then
the
next
picture
is
a
space
of
what
it
looked
like.
As
we
were
doing
the
interior
deconstruction
tons
of
flooring,
tons
of
Architectural
Salvage,
the
lighting,
the
moldings,
there
are
so
many
cool
things
from
Masonic
temple.
B
We
even
took
they
had
like
an
auditorium
like
those
old
kind
of
velvety
movie
theater
chairs
and
were
able
to
resell
those
and
redistribute
those
in
the
community
next
slide,
and
then,
of
course,
the
fun
stuff,
the
the
organs
and
other
things
like
that.
So
just
giving
two
examples
of
the
work
that
we
do
in
the
community
that
has
a
real
preservation
and
historic.
B
They
tell
a
story,
it's
really
a
story
of
our
community
and
we
want
to
keep
that
story
within
our
community
and
to
come
up
with
new
ways
for
people
to
use
materials
next
slide.
So
there
are
a
couple
of
growing.
One
question
that
was
asked
of
me
was
to
kind
of
give
a
sense
of
the
landscape
of
deconstruction.
And
what
does
it
look
like
it's
a
very
Niche
thing,
the
number
of
times
where
I
explained
deconstruction
of
people
and
they're
like
that
makes
sense.
B
So
there
are
a
couple
growing
opportunities.
I'm
excited
about
the
first
one.
Is
that
more
cities,
not
many
so
there's
opportunity
for
leadership
there.
More
cities
are
looking
at
deconstruction
ways
to
incentivize
and
legislate
deconstruction,
the
one
that
is
probably
most
well
known
as
Portland
Oregon.
That
now
has
an
ordinance
that
requires
any
home
that
is
built
before
1940
to
be
deconstructed.
You
cannot
demolish,
you
have
to
deconstruct
and
has
built
an
awesome
Marketplace
of
both
deconstruction
contractors
and
Market.
You
know
Marketplace
for
Reeves
materials,
the
big
problem
with
deconstruction.
B
Is
you
take
the
stuff
apart
and
then,
where
does
it
go?
If
there's
no
market
for
it-
and
you
can
look
up
the
city
of
Milwaukee
for
an
example
of
how
it
may
not
go
right,
you
have
to
create
a
Marketplace,
a
reuse
Marketplace,
and
we
are
your
Marketplace
in
Evanston
and
in
Chicago.
Actually
so
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
opportunity
to
legislate
and
mandate.
More
of
that.
That
goes
well
beyond
our
walls,
of
what
we're
doing,
with
a
crew
of
six
to
eight
trainees
and
a
supervisor
year
round.
B
So
I'm
happy
to
talk
more
about
there's
a
lot
of
opportunities
around
folks
are
piloting.
Grants
bid
incentives,
all
kinds
of
different
ways
to
encourage
people
to
deconstruct.
The
second
opportunity
is
the
EPA
through
the
inflation
reduction.
Act
is
getting
funded
at
unprecedented
levels,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
conversation
right
now
about
how
reuse
and
deconstruction
and
Salvage
can
help
lower
carbon
emissions
and
contribute
to
the
climate
change
initiatives
that
are
all
over
the
country,
and
so
I'm
excited
about
that
for
folks
that
have
been
in
this
work
for
a
long
time.
C
B
Know
so,
I
don't
know
what
it
looks
like,
but
it's
happening
and
a
couple
weeks
ago,
I
was
on
a
call
with
60,
reuse
and
Salvage
leaders
from
across
the
country
to
give
EPA
feedback
on
what
we
think
the
potential
is
in
the
market.
The
biggest
challenge
we
have
is
we're
all
tiny
organizations
we
need
to
scale
if
any
commercial
construction
company
came
to
me
and
said,
I
need
structural
steel
for
a
high-rise,
we're
building
I'd
be
like.
B
Dead
people
would
use
it
and
then
next
slide,
and
there
are
some
challenges
to
deconstruction
and
some
of
this
I'm
sure
you
is
not
news
to
any
of
you.
The
first
is
just
people
knowing
about
it.
As
I
mentioned,
a
lot
of
people
know
what
demolition
is
and
they
assume
that
demolition
is
the
default
right.
So
if
you're,
a
homeowner
who's
renovating
your
kitchen
and
you've
never
renovated
kitchen
before,
because
not
many
people
do
it
more
than
once.
B
B
I
think
that's
a
good
thing,
we're
creating
an
industry
that
is
living
wage
careers
for
people
and
but
it
is
more
expensive
and
the
tax
benefit
helps,
but
until
it's
at
scale
it's
always
going
to
be
a
little
bit
more
expensive
and
then
also
time
there
are
for-profit
deconstruction
companies
in
Chicago
a
couple
they
are
faster
than
we
are.
We
have
the
added
Workforce
Development
training
component,
but
it
does
take
longer.
It's
a
lot
faster
to
smush
everything
up
into
a
machine
with
a
machine
and
throw
it
into
a
landfill.
B
If
many
of
you
have
heard
of
the
plot
of
land
at
Emerson
and
Jackson,
which
is
actually
half
block
from
my
house,
between
Asbury
and
Dodge,
there
are
seven
properties,
seven
homes
that
the
city
purchased
and
then
did
an
RFP
and
because
the
city
owned
the
land,
the
project
to
demolish
or
deconstruct
needed
to
be
prevailing
wage,
which
is
about
45
dollars
an
hour
for
labor.
So
if
a
deconstruction
job
is
seven
times,
seven
people
versus
one
person
in
demolition,
no
deconstruction
providers,
including
ourselves,
applied
to
the
RFP
because
we
wouldn't
be
cost
competitive.
B
However,
the
picture
on
below
and
above
is
the
barn,
and
there
is
an
Evanston
Barn
that
was
converted
into
a
garage
on
the
property
that
has
100
year
old
barn
wood
on
it
that
I
just
can't
give
up.
So
we're
going
to
take
it
apart
for
free
and
we're
working
with
Shore
front
Legacy
archive
to
tell
a
story
of
that
material
in
the
Fifth
Ward.
What
what
was
that
Barn
used
for
what
does?
What
does
it
mean
to
be
home
and
who
are
the
people
that
lived
in
that
neighborhood
and
used
that
space?
B
And
then
how
do
we
resellverage
that
material?
So
this
is
an
example
of
something
that
we
are
doing
for
free,
but
that
we
wouldn't
normally
do
and
so
I
think
there
is
a
challenge
for
City
owned
property
and
any
Public
Works
property
that
is
going
to
have
a
prevailing
wage
because
Workforce
training
wages
don't
count
as
part
of
the
bid
process.
So
just
to
give
one
example,
but
it's
up
now,
you
can't
actually
see
it
from
the
street.
So
if
any
of
you
drive
by
Emerson,
you
can't
see
it.
B
You
can
see
the
graffiti
house
which
I
can't
wait
for
that
thing
to
come
down,
but
behind
it
is
the
barn
in
the
garage
and
so
probably
at
the
end
of
May,
beginning
of
June
you'll
see
our
crew
out
there
and
we'll
be
in
the
round
table,
and
all
of
that
so
just
to
give
an
example-
and
that
was
my
very
fast
I-
have
no
idea
how
much
time
I
took.
But
that
was
my
very
fast
overview.
A
Thank
you
so
much
I
was
just
about
to
say
that
yeah.
So
that's
good
I
have
a
question
that
I
would
like
to
ask
and.
D
A
Which
is,
can
you
and
like
your
elevator
pitch,
for
what
is
the
difference
between
Demolition
and
deconstruction,
like
just
like
the
one
or
two
sentence
version
of
that.
D
Ahead
yeah,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
and
actually
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
between
what
you
presented
and
and
the
long
range
plan
that
the
commission
just
approved
because
part
of
The
Preserve
2040
plan
is
to
I,
guess,
work
on
and
advocate
for
a
deconstruction
ordinance.
D
B
So
they
actually
did
as
an
example
a
multi-phased
project,
so
the
first
couple
years
of
their
project
was
actually
grants
and
incentives
for
homeowners
to
be
encouraged
to
deconstruct,
and
then
they
use
the
data
to
demonstrate
how
successful
it
was
to
then
introduce
an
ordinance
and
their
first
ordinance
that
they
passed
was
houses
built
before
19
deconstruction
of
houses
built
before
1916,
which
was
100
years
after,
like
the
the
ordinance
was
in
2016,
so
they
did
100
years
and
then
again
they
built
the
groundwork
and
said:
look
it's
working
now
we
have
this
marketplace
now
we
have
all
these
contractors,
and
so
the
1940
requirement
I
think
was
just
two
years
ago:
okay,
yeah,
so
multi.
E
Yeah,
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
so
many
questions
actually
I
have
used
you
before.
I
bought,
like
radiator,
covers
for
our
old
home,
but
recently
we
were
doing
Arena
I
feel
like
this
is
a
week
too
late
for
me
actually,
because
we
just
demoed
our
kitchen,
but
I
was
just
curious.
E
How
you
work
with
like
the
local
contractors
and
Architects
and
I
know
we
have
some
in
the
room,
I'd
love
to
hear
what
they
have
to
say,
because
I'm
not
sure
how
many
of
you
have
done
deconstruction
versus
demo,
but
I'd
love
to
get
like
a
little
feedback
here,
just
wondering
how
you
communicate
with
them,
since
I
think
for
homeowners,
they're,
the
ones
we're
talking
to
we're
getting
bids
from
them.
We're
taught
we're
asked
like
I
asked
the
question
like:
can
we
reuse
any
of
this
and
it
was
kind
of
like
not
really.
B
B
We
also,
you
know
we're
not
a
huge
organization,
but
we
would
come
out
and
give
bids
and
estimates
and
as
often
the
homeowner
who
needs
to
find
us
at
this
point,
so
I'm
excited
as
we
grow
this
business
to
get
more
connection,
but
yeah.
We
work
with.
We
work
with
folks
all
the
time
and
have
some
regular
architects
who
often
are
sharing
information
about
our
services
to
to
clients.
So
it's
always
about
time
and
money
though
so
it's
really
just
like.
Is
there
enough
time?
B
Is
there
a
flexible
budget
because
it
does
tend
to
be
more
expensive
is?
Is
it
really
the
what
the
what
the
homeowner
wants,
but
I
hear
your
story
all
the
time
people
are
like
if
I
had
known
you
know
and
for
us
they'll
they'll
they'll
donate
the
appliances
and
the
cabinet
sets,
but
not
realize
we
can
take
them
out
as
well.
Yeah
I
didn't
know
that.
E
C
E
F
F
F
A
Gary-
sorry
about
that,
so
they
can.
They
cannot
hear
when
they're
recording
this
meeting.
They
cannot
hear
people
in
the
audience
because
you're
not
so.
A
No
speak
well,
I
mean
we
know.
We
know
that
he's
going
to
be
making
a
presentation.
So
if
you,
if
you
wanted
to
repeat
what
you
just
really
quickly
what
you
said
when
you're
making
your
presentation
that
you're
welcome
to
do
that,
sorry,
but
they
can't
they're
not
they
can't
hear
it
for
the
recording
go
ahead.
Well,.
B
I
was
just
going
to
say,
I
I,
think
that's
that's
right
in
the
sense
of
like
the
costs
piece
of
it
I.
If
you
do
look
at
the
data
for
Portland
Oregon,
it
does
demonstrate,
though,
that,
as
the
ordinance
has
picked
up,
speed,
Steam
and
there's
been
a
Marketplace.
That's
been
built
around
deconstruction.
B
The
cost
between
Demolition
and
deconstruction
has
shrunk
considerably
and
so
I
think
there's
a
way
to
mitigate
some
of
that,
but
yeah
you're,
absolutely
right
and
I
will
say
that
part
of
why
we've
expanded
so
rapidly
and
with
two
stores
is
that
we
want
to
be
able
to
say
yes,
we'll
take
your
whole
kitchen
and
we
just
need
a
lot
of
room
for
that.
Space
is
a
real
it's
a
real
thing
and
reuse
Salvage
materials.
E
A
When
you
and
I
were
talking
about
this
presentation,
we
I
think
you
mentioned
San
Antonio.
A
B
Last
week,
yeah
yeah,
thank
you
for
reminding
me
of
that.
So
often
when
cities
are
taking
on
legislation
or
guidelines
or
incentives,
it
often
comes
from
the
environmental
space
and
not
necessarily
the
historic
preservation
space,
and
my
understanding
historically
is
sometimes
there's
been
a
little
bit
of
tension
there,
because
I
think
a
lot
of
your
intent
is
to
preserve
buildings
as
they
are,
which
is
the
best
way
actually
and
I
would
agree
with
that.
B
Deconstruction
is
when
the
building
reaches
the
end
of
its
life,
and
what
do
you
do
with
the
materials
to
be
able
to
preserve
them
at
that
point?
In
San
Antonio,
all
of
the
deconstruction
initiatives
come
from
the
office
of
historic
preservation,
which
is
the
only
city
that
I
know
of
that.
Has
that
particular
structure
and
they've
grown
quite
a
bit
around
it,
and
the
idea
is
and
I
don't
know
much
about
San
Antonio,
but
that
there's
this
Rich
history
and
really
preserving
their
cultural
heritage.
B
Very
much
aligns
with
historic
preservation
so
they've
and
it's
a
booming
City,
and
so
as
the
population
grows,
there's
been
this
movement
to
just
take
everything
down
and
build
up
new,
and
so
the
office
has
really
done
a
lot
of
work
to
be
able
to
develop
an
ordinance
and
actually
San,
Antonio
and
population
is
bigger
than
Portland,
so
I
think
currently
they're
the
largest
city
in
the
country.
That
has
a
deconstruction
ordinance
that
was
just
passed
last
year
and
it's
all
from
the
office
of
historic
preservation,
which
is
pretty
cool.
E
Yeah,
so
my
other
thought
on
this
is:
what
do
you
do
with
stuff?
That's,
like
I'm
thinking
of
our
house,
we've
gone
to
the
extent
to
restore
Windows,
but
what
do
you
do
with
a
lot
of
material?
I
would
imagine
that
you
get
has
lead
base
pain
in
it
as
most
of
the
old
homes
do,
and
so
there's.
Obviously,
some
risks
to
like
I
feel
like
having
that
and
like
giving
it
to
someone
else
who
might
not
understand
the
materials
like
the
hazards
around
those
materials.
B
Sure
they
have
it
yeah
I
mean
first
thing:
is
we
probably
only
accept
about
60
of
what
we're
offered?
Because
we
are
our
joke?
Is
you
know
it's
really
only
reused
until
it
comes
in
and
comes
back
out
if
we
keep
everything
in
our
store,
we're
just
a
landfill,
that's
nicely
merchandised,
which
is
not
the
goal.
So
it's
really.
We
aren't
able
to
accept
everything
that
we're
offered
and
a
lot
of
those
things,
especially
Windows
can't
be
they're,
not
energy
efficient,
there's
a
lot
of
issues
with,
for
example,
old
windows.
B
They
have
lead-based
paint.
There
are
some
things,
so
if
we
can
sell
it,
we
know
the
marketplace.
Is
there
and
we've
been
open
since
2010?
So
we
have
a
fair
amount
of
experience
of
knowing
what
that
market
looks
like.
We
know
what
we
can
accept
outside
of
that,
so
that
some
of
those
products
we
will
take
and
then
we'll
do
what
we
call
Creative,
reuse
and
so
we'll
use.
B
We
have
artists
who
use
antique
windows
for
all
kinds
of
things,
and
we
we
have
a
lot
of
people
who
come
in
in
that
space
and,
if
you've
been
to
our
store
recently
you'll
see
the
toilets
outside
that
are
being
used
as
flower
planters
there's
a
lot
of
fun
in
in
creativity
in
that
to
your
answer
about
lead
based
or
to
your
question
about
lead-based
paint.
B
Yes,
it
is
challenging
and
for
that
reason
our
staff
and
our
trainees
part
of
the
curriculum
of
our
transitional
Employment
Program
is
they
receive
three
marketable
certifications
and
one
of
them
is
the
EPA
RRP
certification,
which
is
the
lead-based
paint,
and
it's
really
for
people
to
know
the
dangers
of
lead
and
a
lot
of
those
types
of
things
and
to
be
able
to
mitigate
those
in
the
handling
of
the
materials.
We
also
have
laundry
at
our
facility,
so
people
don't
take
that
stuff
home.
B
So,
if
they're
on
a
construction
site
they're
not
on
public
transportation,
they're,
not
washing
their
clothes
with
their
kids
clothes.
All
of
that
is
a
real
challenge.
A
few
years
ago,
we
had
a
survey
done
by
a
researcher
at
Columbia.
University
on
kind
of
just
lead-based
paint
in
the
air
in
our
store,
because
we
do
have
so
many
materials
and
it
actually
wasn't
any
more
elevated
than
an
old
home,
so
our
general
rule
is
don't
mess
with
it.
E
B
B
A
Okay,
the
next
order
of
businesses
on
the
agenda
is
meant
to
be
new
business,
but
we
thought
we'd
move.
The
discussion.
No
vote
will
be
taken
item
to
the
top:
the
Chicago
Avenue
multinodal
Corridor
improvements.
That's.
A
H
Yeah
good
evening,
I'm
the
senior
project
manager
in
capital
planning
and
engineering
and
I'm
the
city
project
manager
for
the
Chicago
Avenue
Colorado
project.
So
the
this
is
a
multimodal
corridor
that
extends
from
the
scope
of
the
limits
of
the
project
are
from
Howard
Street,
all
the
way
to
Davis
Street.
In
the
last
three
four
years,
we
were
able
to
rebuild
Chicago,
Avenue
and
Sheridan
Road
from
Davis,
going
all
the
way
up
to
the
Village
of
dilmet
limits.
H
H
So
the
basically
this
is
the
agenda
where
we
are
here
is
the
Chicago
Avenue
between
the
limits,
the
the
Lakeshore
historic
district,
the
stuck
Chicago
Avenue,
three
locations,
one
at
Hamilton
and
one
south
of
dumpster
and
one
between
a
lake
and
Grove.
So
we
just
need
your
input
in
terms
of
the
we
are
not
basically,
we
are
staying
within
the
right
of
way
within
the
roadway
and
the
sidewalk.
We
are
not
doing
anything
outside
the
limits,
but
still
we
have
to
since
the
street
touches
the
historic
district.
H
We
are
here
to
make
the
presentation
and
let
you
guys
know
that
there
are
no
impacts.
So
the
purpose
of
this
pretty
much
the
project
is
how
we
are
going
to
make
Chicago
Avenue
more
user
friendly
for
all
the
users,
including
the
bikes,
as
I
said
we're
going
to
improve
the
roadway.
The
lighting
is
not
up
to
standards,
we're
going
to
update
all
the
lights
and
with
the
approved
you
know,
street
lights,
what
has
been
approved
by
the
city
council
and
then
activate
the
public
space
and
improve
this
streetscape.
H
Basically,
the
existing
concrete
sidewalk
is,
has
a
lot
of
undulations
and
not
safe,
so
we
are
going
to
provide
our
city
standard,
the
brick
paver
sidewalk,
with
the
concrete
and
have
the
trees
the
whole
length.
So
these
are
the
improvements
we
are
planning
along.
Look
at
the
next
slide,
so
what
we
have
done.
Basically,
in
terms
of
if
this
is
the
the
drawing
you
see,
shows
the
limits
of
the
projects
within
the
limits
all
the
way
from
Harvard.
So
we've
indicated
all
the
crash
States.
H
So
if
you
go
to
the
next,
this
is
just
a
card
or
context
map
showing
the
the
limits.
So
this
is
basically
what
we
had
done
is
we
had
taken
the
entire
Corridor
into
and
explained
into
four
different
sections,
how
we
are
going
to
improve
and
what
we
are
trying
to
do
as
a
part
of
the
project
so
from
Howard
to
South.
H
They
pretty
much
use
the
bike
lane
they
don't
ride
on
the
sidewalks
either.
So
when
we
provide
their
own
space
for
all
different
users,
the
roadway
and
the
sidewalk
becomes
more,
you
know,
stress,
less
and
more
safer
for
all,
you
know
all
types
of
modes
of
transportation
when
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
basically
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
what
we
have
been
doing
on
this
project
is,
we
have
tracked
several
different
organizations
throughout
Evanston
and
outside
the
Evanston
to
make
sure
this
is
the
project
what
we
are
trying
to
do.
H
So
this
is
a
list
of
the
stakeholders
that
we
have
contacted
so
far
since
2021,
so
we
have
been
doing
this
project
close
to
two
years.
This
is
the
phase
one
part
of
this
project.
When,
once
we
finalize
the
phase
one,
then
we
move
on
to
the
phase
two
where
we
are
going
to
do
the
real
construction
plans
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
next
slide.
So
this
is
a
list
of
all
the
stakeholders.
What
we
have
done
so
today
this
is
the
last
historic
preservation.
Is
our
last
stop?
H
So
basically,
we
had
two
public
meetings
and
we
have
several
advisory
meetings
with
the
aldermen
and
we
have
explained
what
we
are
trying
to
do
and
we
have
had
pretty
much
positive
input
input
from
all
of
them
so
far
yeah.
So
this
is
where
I
wanted
to
highlight
these
three
sections.
As
you
can
see,
Chicago
Avenue
from
basically
at
Hamilton
there,
you
can
see
that
yellow
this
comes
in
just
touches
there,
as
well
as
the
one
between
dumpster
and
Greenwood
and
then
basically
Greenwood
to
grow.
H
E
I
Good
evening
everybody,
my
name
is
Tim
Gustafson
and,
as
sat
mentioned,
I
am
the
project
manager
on
the
consultant
side
for
the
project,
and
we
wanted
to
provide
you
just
an
overview
of
what
is
the
scope
of
improvement
for
the
project.
So
while
it
does
travel
through
the
historic
district,
as
you
can
see,
based
on
the
boundaries,
we
are
staying
within
the
right-of-way
limits
for
the
project.
But
that
being
said,
it's
still
important
to
see
what
the
effects
will
be
of
the
project.
I
So
this
is
an
opportunity
to
show
you
what
the
proposed
improvements
will
look
like
if
you
move
ahead
to
the
next
slide.
There
are
two
typical
roadway
sections
within
the
area
of
interest
for,
for
this
conversation
tonight,
I'm
showing
the
existing
on
the
top
row.
So
the
roadway
varies
in
width.
The
right-of-way
varies
in
width
between
66
feet
and
68
feet.
I.
Think,
sorry,
it's
hard
to
see
it
at
that
distance.
I
However,
based
on
that
information,
what
we're
choosing
to
do
is
reallocate
the
existing
roadway
space
so
that
we
can
make
room
for
the
improvements
that
sat
describes.
So
this
just
gives
you
an
idea
of
what
it
looks
like
today,
up
top
and
then
reallocating
that
space
down
below.
One
of
the
things
that
I
did
want
to
highlight
is
that
in
the
block
where
the
historic
district
does
dive
across
Chicago
Avenue,
it
takes
into
account
those
buildings
located
at
607,
Lake,
1415,
Chicago
and
600
Grove,
which
is
the
the
Church
of
Evanston.
I
Currently
parking
is
only
permitted
on
Sundays
and
holidays
on
one
of
those
sides
of
the
street,
we're
on
both
sides
of
the
street
through
that
block
because
of
the
available
width
and
the
proposed
improvements.
This
project
will
allow
it
to
be
possible
to
park
permanently
on
one
side
of
the
street
after
the
construction
is
complete,
so,
instead
of
only
having
and
parking
one
day
a
week
and
occasionally
on
holidays,
this
will
actually
allow
you
to
park
on
one
side
of
the
street
seven
days
a
week.
I
So
that
would
be
the
only
substantive
change
to
the
performance
of
the
roadway
other
than
that.
All
of
the
other
improvements
that
sat
describes
would
be
included,
including
the
separated
two-way
bike
lane
on
the
east
side
of
the
street.
So
this
shows
you
kind
of
what
the
existing
and
proposed
is
for
each
of
those
conditions.
I
And
if
you
look
at
the
next
slide,
we
wanted
to
touch
a
little
bit
about
what
I'm
calling
the
only
vertical
element
in
the
entire
project.
But
I
did
want
to
draw
your
attention
to
it,
because
the
street
light
fixtures.
As
sat
mentioned,
the
roadway
is
not
up
to
the
city's
lighting
standard
and
I
know.
There
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
what
should
the
light
fixtures
look
like
city-wide,
so
that
they're
compatible
with
our
interest
visually
and
contextually.
I
So
there
are
two
types
of
light
fixtures
that
are
proposed
for
this
project,
which
are
pretty
much
consistent
with
a
lot
of
the
roadway
and
streetscape
projects
that
the
city
takes
on.
So
we
have
the
LED
David
arm,
which
is
the
very
basic
looking
swoop,
one
in
the
photo
and
then
closer
in
proximity.
You
can
see
this
example
from
Fountain
Square,
as
well
as
our
rendered
image
on
the
right
showing
what
the
Talmage
structure
would
look
like.
So
these
would
be
placed
in
an
alternating
pattern
throughout
the
corridor.
The
davit
gives
better
light.
I
The
talmudge
is
better
looking,
so
we
tend
to
share
a
little
bit
of
both
when
we
install
this
type
of
infrastructure
in
the
corridor.
The
image
on
the
right
shows
how
they
would
be
played
placed
in
front
of
these
buildings
that
are
located
in
the
Lakeshore
historic
district.
So
we
wanted
to
show
you
where
they'd
be
placed
relative
to
the
improvements.
The
only
thing
I
will
say
about
this
image
is
this
shows
an
older
version
of
the
bike
lane.
I
We
decided
to
put
all
of
the
bike
Lanes
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
so
there's
actually
no
bike
lane
in
front
of
the
churches
as
proposed,
then
I
wanted
to
show
you
on
the
next
slide.
What
the
proposed
roadway
plans
look
like
in
plan
view.
These
are
difficult
to
read
at
this
scale,
but
this
shows
the
three
locations
that
we
highlighted
on
the
previous
Slide.
The
existing
roadway
would
stay
generally
in
the
same
exact
place.
I
All
of
the
automobile
travel
Lanes
would
shift
ever
so
slightly
to
the
west
to
make
space
for
that
two-way
separated
bike
lane
on
the
East.
This
image
shows
the
jewel
parking
lot
and
Hamilton
Street
and
does
not
go
beyond
the
right-of-way
line.
So
again,
just
to
reiterate
this
all
stays
within
the
existing
right-of-way
limits.
Sidewalk
remains
in
place.
Parking
remains
in
place.
The
travel
lanes
are
the
ones
that
are
skinnied
up
a
little
bit
to
make
room
for
everything
else.
I
The
only
other
thing
I
will
point
out
is
that
this
does
provide
the
opportunity
for
the
bus
boarding
Islands
very
similar
to
the
ones
that
you
see
along
the
front
edge
in
front
of
Northwestern
University,
so
that
will
also
be
included
in
the
project
on
the
next
slide.
You
can
see
what
the
proposed
plan
this
is
that
one
block
where
you
don't
have
parking
all
the
time,
but
now
we'll
be
able
to
for
a
few
spaces
on
the
west
side
of
the
street.
I
The
last
image
is
just
the
proposed
plan,
as
it
connects
into
Davis
I'm
personally
quite
excited
about
this,
because
you'll
no
longer
have
the
bike
lane
fishtail
swoop.
That
goes
through
the
intersection.
It'll,
actually
just
stay
on
the
east
side,
as
it
was
always
intended.
So
now
you
don't
have
the
tail
end
of
one
project
meeting
a
new
one.
It's
going
to
look
continuous
and
consistent
throughout.
So
that's
what
the
plans
are
showing
and
what
I
did
not
mention
is
as
part
of
our
research
we
identified
in
red
every
building.
I
That's
either
on
the
register,
has
potential
contributing
factors
or
was
identified
as
having
potential.
So
that's
what's
shown
in
call
outs
in
red
they're,
all
well
beyond
the
right-of-way
limits
in
each
case.
So
with
that,
the
final
slide
is
basically
me
thanking
you,
and
if
there
are
any
questions,
we'd
be
happy
to
answer
them.
E
I
just
want
to
say,
I
love
this
I
I.
There
was
recently
an
editorial
in
the
round
table,
I
think
about
protected
bike,
Lanes
more
of
them,
and
people
I
think
definitely
want
it.
I
used
to
be
many
moons
ago
student
at
Northwestern
before
the
protected
bike,
Lanes
I,
think
and
I
rode
my
bike
every
day
and
it
was
dangerous
in
the
street.
So
I
think
this
is
great
for
the
campus
and
to
extend
that
and
I
know.
E
This
isn't
necessarily
what
we're
talking
about
today,
but
that
addresses
the
north-south
corridor,
but
would
love
to
see
you
know
additional
plans
that
address
the
East-West
part
of
the
city,
because
there's
no
way
to
get
over
really
and
have
protect,
there's
a
lane
on
church,
but
it's
like
quasi-protected
for
some
of
it,
and
it's
not
that
some
of
those
other
ones
I
think
need
to
be
addressed
too.
It's
not
super
safe,
yeah.
I
There's
a
there's,
obviously
always
been
an
interest
in
improving
the
comfort
and
safety,
and
we
have
found
as
well
that
two-way
separated
bike
Lanes
tend
to
give
you
that
comfort
and
safety
that
you're
looking
for,
because
you
have
your
own
space,
you
can
do
your
own
movements,
make
your
own
decisions
and
your
own
terms
and
you've
got
enough
space
to
navigate
through
those
intersections.
So
there
is
a
pair
of
one-way
bike,
Lanes
on
Church
in
Davis,
respectively,
leading
into
and
out
of
downtown.
I
E
D
Park,
it's
more
of
a
comment.
I
just
appreciate
the
inclusion
of
the
Thomas
and
the
David
lights
along
Chicago
Avenue,
especially
because
it's
bordering
the
historic
district-
and
you
know
the
Tallmadge
light-
is
such
a
key
element
of
the
city
and
I
know
that
some
people
are
like
tree
huggers
and
some
people
in
the
city
apparently
are
are
Tallmadge
hungers.
You
know
and
they
really
appreciate
the
talmudge
lights.
D
So
I
I
do
appreciate
that
and
I
think
that
moving
forward,
it
would
be
great
to
have
that
inclusion
like
the
East
West,
because
I
know
that
your
city
is
eventually
going
to
be
discussing
Oakton
and
Main
Street
with
the
lighting.
So
it
would
be
good
to
have
that
cohesive,
look
of
the
debit
and
Tallmadge
lights.
You
know
wrap
around
to
like
Oakton
and
Maine,
so
that
you
have
that
cohesive.
Look
instead
of
because
Main
Street
right
now
has
those
lollipop
lights.
You
know
that
that
don't
really
fit.
I
I
Carl
I'm
actually
glad
you
mentioned
that
one
thing
that
we
probably
touched
on
is
that
the
lighting
fixtures
themselves
are
actually
what
is
recommended
in
the
city
street
light
master
plan
and
in
working
on
roadway
and
lighting
projects.
I
found
through
this
project
and
in
working
with
sat
is
that
that
alternating
between
the
davit
and
the
Talmadge
gives
you
the
illumination
you
require,
and
also
that
visually
aesthetic
pleasing
experience
with
the
architecture.
So
it
tends
to
work
really
well
too.
So
that's
that's
been
a
good
thing
that
we've
learned.
H
A
You,
okay,
we
are
going
to
return
on
the
agenda
back
to
where
we
had
been
to
new
business
and
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
under
new
business
is
1221
Hinman,
Avenue,
Landmark,
Lakeshore,
historic
district,
23,
Pres,
0064.
A
A
So
Gary,
you
can
start
when
you
are
ready.
F
F
Let's
see
there
we
go
so
if
you,
if
you
could
go
back
to
that
existing
plan
for
me
Kate.
Thank
you.
The
this
is
an
existing
Dutch
Colonial,
slash,
Queen
Anne.
This
was
built
in
the
late
1800s.
The
majority
of
the
front
of
the
house
and
the
screen
porch
is
all
original
relatively
well
cared
for.
Our
clients
are
I,
think
the
third
owners
and
have
tasked
us
with
remodeling
effectively
the
rear
half
of
this
house.
Most
of
what
we're
touching
has
been
previously
renovated.
F
So
we're
not
undoing
anything
that
would
have
that
was.
That
was
historic
and
fabric.
In
fact,
where
we
are
restoring
and
re
recreating
a
lot
of
the
work
in
this
screen.
Porch
on
the
side,
we
are
removing
this
existing
deck
and
Terra
system
that
was
constructed,
I,
don't
know
probably
10
years
ago.
Something
like
that
and
we
are
taking
apart
a
kitchen,
Edition,
reusing
the
foundation
and
expanding
that
just
a
little
bit.
We're
also
demolishing
this
garage
and
reconfiguring
some
of
the
paving
in
the
backyard.
F
So
if
you
could
give
me
the
next
slide,
please
Kate!
Thank
you.
So,
as
you
can
see
here,
the
the
three
hatched
areas
are
the
areas
of
the
addition.
Our
renovation
project
encompasses
much
more
of
this
you'll
see
that
in
the
elevations,
this
is
a
small
extension
of
the
first
floor
that
that
picks
up
an
overhang
on
the
existing
rear
of
the
house.
F
This
is
a
small
infill
Edition
beside
the
existing
mass
of
the
Edition
that
we're
modeling
and
reconfiguring,
and
then
a
one-story
Greenhouse
at
grade
we're
also
tearing
out,
as
I
mentioned,
the
existing
deck
structure
on
the
rear
on
the
rear
yard
and
creating
a
single
level
deck
with
some
Garden
Accent,
some
Garden
amenities
and
a
more
generous
stair
to
the
backyard
and
we're
creating
a
new
garage
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
But
it's
also
compatible
with
not
only
the
existing
fabric
of
the
house,
but
the
addition
that
we're
proposing
go
to
the
next
slide.
F
F
So,
as
I
mentioned
we're
this
section.
Actually,
if
you
would
go
back
to
the
first
two
slides
that
show
me
the
existing
the
images
existing
house
for
me,
I
think
they're,
the
first
two
slides
we
have
there
there
we
go
so
the
first
edition
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
on
that
section
is
this
small
infill.
You
can
see
this
little
corbled
section
under
this.
F
What
was
likely
a
service
quarters
for
the
back
of
the
house,
we're
infilling
this
section
to
complete
some
to
complete
a
chamfered
space
for
a
family
room
in
the
rear
of
the
house.
This
is
the
existing
Edition,
we're
not
tearing
all
of
this
down
we're
using
foundations
in
some
of
the
portions
of
this,
but
infilling.
This
section
and
you'll
see
that
in
the
roof
lines
before
you
can
see
pretty
clearly
that
this
structure
this
shape
is
original
to
the
house.
F
This
is
obviously
not
so,
if
you
could
now,
we
can
go
back
to
the
this
will
make
a
little
more
sense.
I
think,
okay,
so
this
section
is
our
addition
that
infills
that
what
is
currently
an
undermined
section
that
little
core
ball
that
you
see
has
failed.
The
house
needs
some
structural
repair
on
the
back
corner,
so
we're
in
filling
this
and
repairing
the
structure
and
bringing
the
wall
out
in
order
to
in
order
to
rectify
that
room
on
the
inside
from
a
planned
perspective.
This
is
our
addition.
F
The
infill
section
I
mentioned
to
you
here.
This
is
the
mass
of
the
old
of
the
existing
Edition
that
we're
reconfiguring,
reglazing
and
introducing
a
hip
roof.
If
you
remember
for
the
earlier
photographs
and
the
subsequent
renders
we'll
show
you
this,
there
is
a
hip
section
of
the
roof
up
here
and
there's
an
original
hip
section
of
the
of
the
existing
house
up
there.
So
what
we're
doing
is
really
picking
up
on
what
was
the
architecture
original
intention
for
these
secondary
roofs?
F
It's
a
large
gambrel
house
of
different
scales
and
different
proportions,
but
it's
supplemented
with
a
series
of
of
hipped
roofs
that
surround
the
secondary
volumes
on
the
house.
So
we're
continuing
that
philosophy.
As
we
run
around
the
house
yeah,
we
are
glazing,
the
entire
backside
of
this
house.
This
is
the
kitchen
Edition
in
the
back
all
the
windows,
all
the
fenestration
that
wrap
around
from
the
front
of
the
house
are
effectively
floor-to-ceiling
Windows.
Some
are
picture
windows,
some
are
Cottage
Windows.
Some
are
double
hung,
Windows
all
of
the
windows
in
the
existing
house.
F
We
are
Faithfully,
restoring
we've
engaged
TMC
to
rebuild
every
one
of
these
windows,
we're
already
on
our
schedule,
so
that
that's
happening.
These
will
be
Marvin
ultimate
Windows
they'll
be
Landmark
series
windows,
so
they'll
be
compatible
in
size,
scale
and
aesthetic
to
the
rest
of
the
windows
that
will
remain
in
the
house
and
our
Conservatory.
Our
Greenhouse
structure
will
be
a
Faithfully
constructed
winter
Greenhouse,
so
it
will
be
a
functioning
Greenhouse,
not
a
conservatory
or
a
Solarium,
the
porch
Edition
over
here
that
mentioned.
This
is
a
single
level.
F
It's
accented
by
three
three
Planters.
Our
clients
aspire
to
grow,
most
of
their
own
food,
on
the
property
herbs
and
and
garden
varieties
of
different
things
that
they'll
cultivate
through
the
year.
So
these
are
intended
to
be
raised.
Planting
beds
that
they
can
use
during
the
growing
Seasons
this
stair
that
comes
down
will
serve
as
a
trellis
for
an
espalier
that
will
grow
on
the
front
face
of
this
wall.
F
Indiana
Limestone
Paving.
That
will
connect
this
section
of
the
house
to
the
back.
Where
you'll
see
the
garage
in
just
a
moment
and
I
think
there
was
a
question
by
the
pre-reviewed
committee
about
the
materiality
at
the
Back.
Our
intention
is
to
use
cedar
fence
panels
to
let
these
weather
and
silver.
The
materials
that
we
have
proposed
for
the
deck
will
either
be
an
ePay
or
what's
called
what
is
now
becoming
a
bit
more
accessible
in
a
Koya
product
which
is
a
sustainable
hardwood.
F
So
the
idea
of
the
the
rendering
here
is
that
this
is
the
grade
aged
finish
of
the
natural
material
and
for
anyone
who
wants
to
touch
it,
not
a
piece
of
it.
Forget
of
the
next
slide.
Please
again,
another
another
image
of
how
this
structure
comes
comes
around
the
corner.
The
idea
of
the
hip
roof,
which
details
very
similarly
to
the
one
story
screen
porch
that
exists
on
the
south
side
of
the
house.
We've.
We
are
Faithfully
replicating
the
balustrades,
the
railings,
all
of
the
porch
columns
on
this
house
are
rounded
and
detailed.
F
We've
commissioned
Mill
workers
to
replicate
those
who
will
be
replicating
Faithfully
all
the
details
on
the
house,
including
the
Outriggers,
which
are
more
of
the
Queen
Anne
detailing
on
this
house.
We've
used
that
for
this
major
piece
of
the
Edition,
it
exists
on
the
screen
porch
on
the
side
and
on
the
higher
overhangs
of
the
house
as
well.
F
If
I
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
the
proportion
of
our
garage
in
the
back.
It
is
slightly
larger
than
the
than
the
existing
garage
we've
taken.
The
same
cues
from
our
hip
Edition
here
by
running
those
by
running
those
details
in
the
cornicework
around
we've
introduced
the
hip
roof
for
this
proportionally
the
window
openings
The
rhythms
of
these
things
are
all
compatible
with
the
existing
structure
and
with
the
additions
that
we're
proposing.
F
Again,
the
connections
between
these
things
coming
through
and
an
image
of
the
garage
as
it's
viewed
from
the
backyard
this
this
view
for
for
clarification
and
technically
this
one,
because
the
fence
aren't
visible
from
the
public
way,
but
to
give
you
an
idea
of
the
proportion
and
the
care
we've
taken
to
make
these
things
compatible,
we
wanted
to
show
you
that
how
about
the
next
slide
for
me,
Cade
again
as
I
as
I
mentioned
before
we
are
taking
this
section
off
we're
removing
this
roof
and
removing
this
fire
existing
chimney
of
the
next
one.
F
F
The
solar
panels
are
on
this
almost
flat
section
of
the
gamble:
roof
that
affords
us
an
opportunity
for
21
of
a
required
28
solar
panels
that
would
allow
the
owners
to
offset
a
significant
amount
of
their
utility
cost
in
the
house.
So
these
are
not
sloped.
They
are
on
four
inch
brackets.
They
will
match
the
slope
of
the
roof,
they'll
be
blacked
out,
so
we
believe,
after
our
solar
studies
and
visual
studies,
they'll
be
relatively
invisible
to
the
to
the
from
the
public
way
visible,
only
only
likely
from
the
alley
as
you're
looking
up
there.
F
So
it
could
be
the
next
okay
again
just
to
give
you
the
to
to
help
clarify
this.
Is
the
existing
slope
of
that
hip
proof
on
top
here
here?
Is
our
reconfigured
roof
for
this
section
and
our
addition
roof
below.
So
you
can
see
that
we're
picking
up
on
the
cues
from
the
existing
house
and
taking
away
what
was
a
bit
of
an
asymmetrical
roofline
for
this
house.
So
there
was
the
there's
that
Terrace
deck
that
we're
moving
and
introducing
this
the
openings,
the
brickwork
and
the
foundation
work
is
similar.
F
All
the
way
around
the
house
now
we're
replicating
the
the
paneling
of
those
as
well
with
the
next
slide
from
it.
Please
again,
a
flat
elevation,
less
flattering,
but
again
a
flat
elevation
is
not
up.
It's
not
a
true
experience
of
this,
so
the
the
renderings
and
the
position,
the
eye
position
we've
put
in
the
renderings,
we
think,
is
more
faithful
to
the
visibility
of
those
of
those
solar
panels
on
the
high
side,
that's
the
chimneys
being
removed.
F
This
is
just
a
boiler
fluid
it's
not
a,
not
a
working
chimney
in
the
house,
so
pick
it
up
to
the
next
slide.
Again,
the
other
side.
You
can
see
how
we're
we're
going
back
to
the
idea
that
we're
stepping
this
down,
trying
to
trying
to
make
the
proportion
of
this
house
from
the
rear
yard
a
little
more
pedestrian
and
I
think
the
next
slide
should
show
us
there
you
go.
F
If
anyone
wants
to
review
it,
so
I
think
I
think
that
addresses
all
the
all
the
issues
that
we've
we've
had
on
there
I
think
I
spoke
to
a
couple
of
the
items
that
came
up
in
your
pre-review.
So
if
you
have
anything
else,.
J
Go
ahead,
yeah,
just
a
quick
question
about
the
solar
panels.
You
mentioned
that
21
of
the
28
were
going
on
that
they're.
J
K
For
1221
Hinman
Avenue
Landmark
case
23,
Prez
0064
to
I,
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
construct
a
single
story,
rear
Edition,
construct,
a
single
story,
Greenhouse
Edition
at
the
rear
volume,
and
alter
the
structure's
real
rear
volume.
A
No,
no
we're
going
to
we've
already
had
our
deliberation,
but
I
was
just
rereading
this
and
I
have
a
question
for
Cade,
really
quick.
G
You
can
either
add
the
solar
installation
or
I
think
the
reason
I
left
the
solar
installation
off
is
that
component
can
be
done
administratively.
It
meets
the
guidelines
that
they
had,
but
I
think
the
motion
can
include
the
solar
installation
as
well
as
part
of
your
testimony
in
the
presentation.
So.
D
A
L
So
with
that,
we
have
a
proposal
for
our
project,
help
us
with
that.
So
Mr
O'neill
is
going
to
tell
you
what
the
project
entails.
C
Thank
you,
I'm
Tim
O'neill,
from
Coffin
real
architecture
here
in
Evanston,
The
Architects
for
Elizabeth
and
George
for
833
Michigan
Avenue.
C
It
looks
like
the
info
that
we
got
from
the
historical
society
was
that
it
was
the
building
was
built
in
1894
and
actually
Kate.
If
you
go
to
the
the
existing
photos,
that'd
probably
be
great
to
start
off
with.
C
Yeah
they're
at
the
end
there
you
go
right
there
yeah
so
on.
The
left
is
the
front
facade
on
Michigan,
Avenue
and
then
on.
The
right
is
the
rear
facade.
So
the
existing
home
is
a
Queen
Anne
with
a
hip
roof
with
lower
cross
Gables.
It's
definitely
on
the
simpler
side
of
the
queen
hands.
Definitely
Falls
within
the
right
period
and
the
massing
and
form
are
the
primary
aspects
that
are
of
the
Queen
Anne
period.
There's
very
spare
detailing
and
ornamentation
on
the
building.
Hardly
any.
C
If
you
go
to
the
first
floor
plan,
that'd
probably
be
the
best
way
to
describe
help
to
describe
one
sorry,
the
other
direction.
That's
basement
right
there,
one
more
back,
perfect,
okay!
So,
as
Beth
mentioned
the
project,
the
proposed
project
is
a
small
addition
to
the
interior
space
really
to
to
increase
the
size
of
the
kitchen
in
the
eat-in
kitchen.
So
at
the
the
bottom
kind
of
in
the
Middle,
where
there's
an
X
through
there
was
an
open
porch
that
has
since
been
enclosed,
all
non-original
materials.
C
So
the
first
part
of
the
project
would
be
to
enclose
this
porch
area
and
then
up
at
the
top
directly
above
the
the
stairs
in
the
kind
of
the
center,
where
the
kitchen
is
really
where
the
kitchen
sink
is.
There's
about
a
four
foot
extension
there
on
the
back
of
the
home
as
well
and
then
further
to
the
east
in
the
backyard,
is
a
new
screened-in
porch
with
kind
of
the
The
chamfered
Bays
that
move
around
there'd
also
be
new
stairs
that
go
up
and
a
covered
landing
on
the
rear
of
the
home.
C
C
So
the
addition
this
is
the
rear
elevation,
then
so
the
addition
would
be
a
single
story:
Edition
coming
off
the
rear
of
the
home,
so
that
would
keep
it
in
scale
with
kind
of
the
rear
yards
there
with
the
garages
that
are
back
there,
as
well
as
a
single
story
Edition
on
the
home
directly
to
the
north.
It's
a
similar
in
size
and
scale
to
what
we're
proposing
here.
C
C
The
for
the
the
exact
proportions
aren't
exactly
the
same,
that's
primarily
so
that
we
can
avoid
touching
any
of
the
other
windows
on
the
second
floor
on
this
facade,
we'd
love
to
have
that
be
the
exact
same
proportions,
but
it's
just
not
going
to
work
unless
we
start
to
affect
a
lot
of
other
windows
and
then
we're
also
doing
this
clip
the
clipped
Corners
underneath
the
Gable,
which
was
on
the
front
of
the
home
and
Kate.
C
If
you
could
go
back
to
sorry,
these
are
far
apart,
but
the
existing
front
facade
the
photo
is.
M
C
Yeah
on
the
left,
so
it's
got
what's
almost
like
a
bay
window
on
the
front,
but
then
the
Gable
goes
out
over,
so
we're
replicating
that
detail
and
that
massing
that
form
on
the
back
just
to
reference
on.
What's
going
on
in
the
front,
so
the
the
new
work
will
be
completely
on
the
east
side
of
the
home.
C
The
siding
that
we're
proposing
is
cementitious
fiber
boards,
like
a
Hardy,
Board
type
of
product
five
inch
exposure,
which
then
matches
the
existing
aluminum
siding
the
entire
home
is
not
being
recladed
at
this
point
in
time.
C
We
feel
like
this
will
be
a
a
really
good
solution
so
that
it
plays
well
with
what's
currently
up
on
the
home
and
then
also
would
position
it
nicely
to
be
from
when,
if,
in
the
future,
the
rest
of
the
home
gets
renovated
and
re-clad
may
be
a
great
material
to
do
that
and
replicate
the
original
wood
siding,
which
we
have
no
idea.
What
kind
of
state
it's
in
underneath
that
aluminum
or
how
much
of
it's
there.
C
As
I
said,
the
the
existing
roofing
is
asphalt
shingles,
the
new
Roofing
would
be
asphalt
shingles
to
match.
We
would
need
to
take
off
more
of
the
aluminum
siding
on
its
back
the
side
of
the
house.
The
way
that
we've
worked,
the
massing
is
we've.
We've
worked
hard
not
to
have
any
of
the
new
surfaces,
be
coplanar
with
the
existing,
so
they're
setbacks,
so
we've
got
good
good
places
to
start
and
stop
the
materials
either
inside
corners
or
outside
corners,
with
a
few
very
minor
exceptions.
C
The
base
of
the
new
addition,
as
you
can
see,
would
be
brick
and
again
brick
to
match
the
existing
home
as
well,
and
then
the
new
windows
that
are
part
of
this
Edition
would
be
double
hungs
and
aluminum,
clad
wood
windows
to
match
the
windows
that
are
not
yet
in,
but
already
approved
and
moving
ahead
with
a
replacement
of
other
windows
on
the
home.
C
So
we
feel,
like
we've
gone
through
all
the
standards
and
addressed,
we
believe
all
the
standards
and,
if
not
we're
happy
to
hit
any
of
them
that
anyone
has
any
concerns
about.
But
in
summary,
the
proposed
Edition
doesn't
destroy
any
of
the
distinguishing
characteristics
of
the
property,
primarily
it's
the
massing
in
form,
so
we're
trying
to
to
hold
back
a
little
bit.
C
It
minimizes
the
impact
on
original
materials
of
the
building,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
materials
that
were
we
are
impacting
were
not
original
to
begin
with,
especially
it's
primarily
the
aluminum
siding
the
way
that
we
structured
this,
especially
on
this
side,
we're
stepping
things
back.
It
would
allow
for
this
entire
structure
to
be
removed
in
the
future.
C
If
someone
did
want
to
restore
it
back
to
its
very
original
condition,
it
also
allows
this
Edition
allows
for
any
for
the
restoration,
especially
on
the
exterior,
to
take
place
in
some
logical
steps
and
sets
it
up
positions
it
in
the
future
to
for
that
to
be
done,
and
the
the
project
considers
the
features
and
character
of
the
existing
home
by
some
of
which,
by
replication
in
smaller
ways,
but
also
refers
to
the
Cross
Gables
and
the
clip
Corners
underneath
the
Gable,
but
still
allow,
tells
the
visual
history
of
the
home,
so
I
think
it'll
always
be
obvious.
C
What
part
of
this
home
was
the
addition
and
what
part
was
original
while
working
very
well
being
very
harmonious
with
it?
So
that's
our
presentation
and
thanks
for
your
time
and
if
there's
any
questions
so
happy
to
field
those,
especially
relative
to
any
of
the
standards.
J
Ahead
hi.
Thank
you.
Great
presentation,
I
appreciate
you
going
through
the
standards
that
you
were
just
referring
to
just
one
question:
the
new
addition
for
the
new
screen,
porch
I,
really
like
that
you
are
carrying
that
clip
Corner
bit
from
the
front
to
the
new
design
for
the
back
I
think
that's
a
great
reference
there,
but
just
wondering
it
looks
like
those
one.
C
Yeah
we
could
it
would.
You
know,
honestly,
it
was
a
little
bit
of
maximizing
the
space
that
was
out
there,
while
those
corners
and
not
clipping
them
back
too
far
and
having
the
usable
space
in
there.
Certainly,
if
so,
we
didn't,
we
didn't
feel
that
the
exact
replication
was
critical
to.
J
J
J
D
I'll
make
a
motion
to
approve
the
EA
certificate
of
appropriate
and
that's
for
833
Michigan
Avenue
22
pres
0067
to
enclose
an
existing
screen
porch
and
construct
a
new
one
story:
Edition
and
screen
porch
at
the
home's
rear
volume,
applicable
standards,
alteration
one
through
ten
and
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
A
A
Okay,
we
are
on
c
letter
C
in
the
new
business
1323
Elmwood
Avenue
Landmark
23
press
zero,
zero,
six,
eight
good
staff.
Please
read
into
the
record.
M
Hi
I'm
owner
of
1323,
Elmwood
and
I'm.
Actually
it's
a
small
project,
so
I
don't
have
any
pictures
I'm
just
looking
to
replace
the
existing
Cedar
signals,
shingles
with
asphalt,
shingles,
that's
the
extent
of
the
project.
I
had
some
other
work
that
was
going
to
be
done
on
the
rear
of
the
house
to
replace
an
existing
window.
That's
falling
apart
as
part
of
the
whole
effort
with
the
contractor,
but
the
main
portion
of
the
focus
is
to
get
the
shingles
redone
and
the
gutters
replaced.
M
M
Picture
so
the
contractor
after
inspecting
the
property
to
give
me
quotes
on
the
shingles
and
what
was
possible.
The
contractor
pointed
out
that
the
original
roof
work.
Wouldn't
there
wouldn't
need
to
be
a
lot
of
work
there,
because
it's
not
actually
set
up
for
cedar
shingles
to
start
with,
and
so
he
wouldn't
have
to
add
it's
most
likely.
They
wouldn't
have
to
add
the
additional
plywood
that
would
likely
be
needed
if
you
were
going
from
a
cedar,
shingle
roof
to
a
normal,
a
normal
roof
or
an
asphalt
shingle
roof.
M
So
it's
about
I
think
it's
well
I,
don't
actually
know
the
age
of
the
roof
at
this
point,
it's
well
over
10
years.
At
this
point,
so
the
one
of
the
things
that
started
the
whole
effort
or
started.
The
reasoning
for
looking
into
this
was
the
first
insurance
came
out
after
brief
lapse
in
the
insurance,
and
they
wouldn't
write
another
policy
for
the
for
the
house
with
the
age
of
the
shingles
and
on
the
wood
shingles.
M
And
then
my
insurance
went
up
quite
a
bit
when
the
next
insurance
policy
came
out
and
they
noticed
it
was
wood
shingles
of
10
years
or
older,
and
so
at
this
point
then
I
was
running
into
2016
2017
and
then
we
had
the
issues
with
getting
windshields
in
the
first
place,
so
it
was
like
extremely
expensive
and
that
other
houses
in
the
area.
You
can
see
the
house
just
to
the
north
of
me.
M
Basically,
all
the
houses
in
the
area
all
have
asphalt
shingles.
So
at
that
point
in
time
it
seemed
like
the
appropriate
thing
just
to
move
to
the
asphalt
shingles
I'm
going
to
be
replacing
the
windows
on
the
on
the
roof
at
the
same
time,
just
because
they're
getting
old
and
that's
a
recommendation
of
every
contractor
I
talk
to,
but
that's
all
in
kind
replacement
on
the
Lighting
on
the
on
the
roof.
So
that's
all
I'm
looking
to
do
at
this
point.
G
Yeah,
just
just
to
clarify
he
does
have
there's
two
aspects
of
The
Proposal
that
have
already
been
approved:
administratively
one's
a
non-original
window
and
Edition
at
the
rear.
It's
just
a
one
over
one
double
hung
window
and
then
the
skylights
replacing
the
existing
Skylight
same
kind,
same
profile,
same
location,.
A
All
sure
so
I
have
a
question
or
two
sure
one
is
that
I
see
that
there
are
multiple
roof
elements,
including
the
roof
on
the
porch
on
the
across
the
front
of
the
house.
Yes,
and
so
are
you
proposing
to
put
the
same
shingle
everywhere?
Yes,
okay,.
A
So,
could
you
talk
a
little
bit
about
what
you
proposed
to
use?
What
product
you
propose
to
use
I.
M
Have
examples
these
were
given
to
me
by
the
contractor?
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
pictures,
it's
Timberline
Timberline
was
the
name
of
the
product
from
GAF
I'm,
not
all
that
familiar
with
it,
but
these
were
all
provided
as
samples
from
the
contractor.
M
So
Timberline
hdz
was
his
recommendation
and
then
Kade
I
believe
in
the
same
catalog
I
provide
a
kid
with
the
catalog
and
and
the
recommendation
was
potentially
that
or
the
Timberline
as2,
which
I
believe
is
a
slightly
sturdier
model
of
the
same
design.
Oh
there
we
go.
A
M
J
M
G
I
mean
the
the
Timberline
hd's
use
like
a
pretty
standard,
architectural,
shingle
and
I.
Think
the
difference
with
with
the
as2
that
we
talked
about
is
that
it's
a
slightly
thicker
profile
that
somewhat
better
mimics
The
Edge
thickness
of
a
cedar
shingle,
and
then
we
had
also
talked
about
I
think
that
Grand
Sequoia
as
well,
which
is
also
a
thicker
profile,
shingle
and
I,
know
we.
Your
roofing
contractor,
had
originally
talked
about
this
Camelot
2,
which
almost
replicates
more
of
like
a
slight
roof
in
a
way
right.
M
M
A
G
Correct
that's
yeah,
I'd
say
the
as2
has
a
slightly
I
think
it's
like
a
double
or
triple
laminated
shingle
compared
to
the
the
normal
asphalt
shingle
and
then
the
Grand
Sequoia
is
a
little
bit
thicker
profile,
but
yeah.
The
The
Edge
thickness
is.
M
Right,
no,
not
at
the
moment
I
was
going
to
pick
something
that
was
probably
as
close
to
what
it
is
now,
but
that
was
all
I
was
looking
to
do.
I.
D
D
M
G
M
G
D
A
J
Got
a
question
yeah,
or
do
you
mention
something
about
with
the
contract
with
one
of
the
roofing
contractors
said
that
he
didn't
think
that
the
roof
I
had
originally
had
the
setup
for
cedar,
shingles
or
wood
shingles?
That's.
M
And
I'm
not
a
roofer
so
but
he
was
pointing
out
that
typically
with
the
wood
shingle
with
wood,
shingles
you'd
have
more
space
and
you
need
ability
for
the
shingles
to
have
more
ventilation,
and
he
looked
at
the
existing
roofing,
that's
here
and
and
between
the
cracks
is
asphalt
covering
and
he's
that
this
is
typically
not
what
you
would
see
on
a
on
a
wood
shingle
roof.
So
essentially
what
he
believes
was
done
was
they
went
from
an
asphalt,
shingle,
roof
and
then
put
on
the
cedar
shingles
to
qualify.
M
I,
don't
know
if
that's
exactly
why
they
did
it,
but
then
put
on
the
cedar,
shingles
and
now
on
portions
of
the
roof.
It
doesn't
breathe,
I'm,
getting
moss
growing
in
the
shingles
and,
as
you
can
see
in
some
of
those
pictures-
and
so
he
says
he
believes
without
knowing
the
entire
picture,
because
part
of
the
attic
is
covered.
You
can't
see
the
whole
thing,
but
he
believes
what
he's
going
to
discover
when
he
pulls
away
the
wood.
M
Shingles
is
a
roof,
that's
ready
for
asphalt,
shingles
and
you
won't
have
to
layer
the
entire
roof
with
plywood,
as
you
would
have
to
do
on
a
normal
cedar,
shingle
roof.
So
that's
the
expectation
right
now.
I
can't
you
know
we
haven't
done
the
full
inspection
or
anything
like
that,
which
would
happen
when
the
shingles
actually
come
off.
So
it's
sort
of
in
an
awkward
spot
in
the
sense
that
what
is
there
was
probably
a
roof
for
asphalt,
shingles
and
then
to
get
the
look
of
the
cedar
shingles.
J
Thanks
for
the
background,
I
was
just
looking
at
the
the
City
of
Evanston
survey.
Forum
here
do
we
know
a
date
of
this,
because
this
quotes
the
wood
shingle
roof.
I
was
just
curious.
Where
do
we
find
the
date
on
these
I'm
on
page
94.
J
G
Yeah-
and
this
was
done
in
2015.,
I
did
search
the
permit
record.
I
can't
find
it
looks
like
the
last
time
the
roof
was
replaced
was
sometime
between
40
and
50
years
ago,
which,
unless
it
was
replaced
in
between
otherwise
but.
J
G
Right
yeah,
they
probably
did
I,
don't
think
they
looked
at
like
to
try
to
do
a
deep
dive
on
what
the
original
material
was.
I'm
sure
that
was
just
a
you
know.
They,
when.
M
A
So
Kate
I
have
an
administrative
question
or
Logistics
question
I
mean
what
are
we
when
we
do
a
in
this
situation,
where
we
don't
have
like
a
fully
formed
proposal?
What
is
our
do?
We
just
say
we're
going
to
agree
that
he
could
do
asphalt
shingles
and
then
he
works
with
you.
We
just
say
that
he
he
needs
to
make
sure,
go
through
you.
How
can
you.
G
Explain
I
think
it
depends
I,
think
it's
unusual
where
there's
a
homeowner,
that's
receptive
to
the
commission's
feedback
on
you
know
in
the
range
of
replacing
it
in
Asphalt.
I.
Think
he's
he's
receptive
to
what
that
exactly
looks
like
in
order
to
be
slightly
more
complementary
to
the
existing
condition.
G
So
the
commission
could
make
a
motion
to
approve
one
if
they
feel
there's
one
that's
more
appropriate
than
the
other
if
they
feel
like
they're,
all
appropriate.
That
would
also
be
okay
or
if
you
would
like
to
say
that
you
are
comfortable
with
the
replacement
for
asphalt
and
you
would
like
you
know,
staff
to
come
to
an
agreement
with
the
owner
on
which
exact
material
that
would
be
fine
as
well.
A
With
any
sort
of
guidance
from
us.
N
A
J
I
will
okay
go
ahead?
Okay
for
the
property
at
1323
Elmwood
Avenue
case
number,
23
pres
0068
I
moved
to
Grant
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
to
alter
the
home's
roofing
material
from
cedar
shingle
to
asphalt,
shingle
applicable
standards
are
alteration
number
one
through
ten.