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A
A
A
B
A
D
C
All
right
and
apologies
for
the
high
volume
of
materials
for
a
twenty
by
twenty
garage
I
didn't
know
how
to
tell
the
story
so
recapping
I'm,
not
sure.
If
all
the
members
were
here
when
I
came
before,
don't
need
to
recap
or
should
I,
you
should
okay,
so
we
seek
to
build
a
garage
and
it
requires
a
variance
because
it
is
in
a
side
yard
and
one
dimension
is
only
five
feet
from
the
house
rather
than
10
feet
required.
We
previously
received
permission
to
have
the
garage
permitted
at
the
very
very
back
of
the
garden.
C
So
we
provided
more
materials
on
all
of
those
items
go
to
the
next
page.
So
this
is
a
neighborhood
diagram
and
I've
highlighted
the
four
houses
that
surround
us.
So
we're
the
only
house.
It's
not
highlighted
it's
12:10,
Michigan
there
and
and
in
the
dashed
red
zone,
is
where
we're
proposing
to
put
the
garage.
My
note
here
is
that
everyone
else's
garage
is
actually
closer
to
the
street
than
the
one
we're
proposing
and
that
all
the
houses
have
a
garage
close
to
the
street.
C
C
D
C
There's
no
actual
backyard
for
them,
but
they
had
some
they've
told
me
also
they
moved
it.
It
was
moved
forward
before
their
time
in
the
house.
It
had
at
one
point
been
in
the
corner
pocket
and
was
moved
closer
to
the
street.
I
can't
verify
whether
that's
true
or
not,
but
that's
just
what
the
they
said
this
by
the
way.
There's
some
this
Google
Maps
picture,
their
house
is
closer
to
the
street
than
pictured
here.
So
it's
not
perfectly
accurate,
but
I
thought
it
was
useful
for
just
giving
the
relative
location
of
these
these
houses.
C
C
Now
we
move
to
our
next-door
neighbor
on
the
other
side
and
again,
mine
is
the
yellow
house
there
and
our
garage
would
be
located
behind
its
porch.
So
here
we
have
the
house
next
to
us
in
the
garage
is
integral
to
the
building
and
it's
right.
There
and
then
the
next
one
is
around
the
corner
at
220
to
burn
in
place.
C
There's
a
set
a
little
bit
further
back
next
to
them
is
the
also
the
garage
of
the
the
the
folks
that
face
out
on
forests
and
then
finally,
another
house
that
faces
out
on
for
us.
This
is
the
derrick,
their
backyard.
So
I
don't
know
if
this
one
counts
or
doesn't,
but
it's
also
just
right
there
they're
all
right
in
in
a
u-shape
around
our
house,
everyone
has
a
garage
and
it's
closer
to
the
streets
and
the
one
we're
trying
to
to
to
do
so.
I
think
you
know
I
thought
it.
C
C
So,
moving
on
from
the
question
of
the
situation
of
the
garages,
the
other
things
we
wanted
to
do
were
address
some
of
the
stylistic
questions.
The
thing
we
didn't
do
is
ditch
Dan
Lee's,
which
might
have
been
more
popular.
We
are
using
their
best
materials,
we're
using
wood,
siding.
It
should
look
like
the
house
and
I
guess.
The
the
concern
I
had
was
for
me
to
go
ahead
and
invest
in
another
builder,
put
a
deposit
down
where
I
still
might
get
to
and
know
at
the
end
of
it.
C
It
was
just
a
little
bit
too
much
to
spend
to
not
know
what
the
outcomes
gonna
be
if
there
was
a
world
that
was
more
certain
that
if
I
only
had
another
builder
than
we'd
be
in
like
Flynn
I
wasn't
sure
that
was
the
case.
I
couldn't
see
putting
down
a
deposit
with
yet
another
company,
so
we
went
for
a
couple
more
upgrades
or
improvements
to
bring
the
the
garage
in
keeping
with
the
house.
C
C
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
so
we
updated
the
3d
rendering
with
and
the
plans
with
those
updated
features
we
also
somebody
mentioned.
You
know
you
better
make
sure
you
want
to
have
a
garage
there.
The
in
my
you
know
something
of
a
unpleasant
eyesore.
So
we
did,
we
went
ahead
and
staked
it
out.
You
know,
put
stakes
in
the
ground
checked
it
up
put
our
cars
there
and
I
was
quite
comfortable
at
the
end
of
that
that
doesn't
mess
with
any
trees.
C
It
doesn't
mess
with
the
neighbors
views
it's
set
pretty
far
back
and
our
homes
views
are
away
from
the
garage,
so
I
was
left
thinking.
It's
actually
a
pretty
good
location
for
the
garage,
in
my
opinion,
if
we
go
to
the
next
page,
this
reminds
us
of
the
site
plan.
So
the
front
is
Michigan
Avenue
there
and
if
we
go
to
the
that's
the
existing
plan
and
we're
proposing
to
put
the
garage
in
that
location
behind
the
porch.
E
C
C
The
side
road
requirement
would
we
need
a
variance
to
be
able
to
build
in
a
side
yard,
and
then
we
were
5
feet
from
the
border,
the
properties
where
the
garage
can
begin.
So,
if
you
see
the
bottom
of
the
plot,
that's
5
feet
from
the
fence.
The
end.
The
controversial
dimension
is
the
one
that
is
marked
in
the
upper
left-hand
corner
of
the
garage
to
that
little
out
put
out
structure
of
the
house.
That's
a
5
foot
dimension.
C
C
E
C
So,
and
you
see
that
in
the
lower
left-hand
corner
elevation
the
street
facing
elevation
and
I
believe
the
next
page
is
the
rendering.
So
again,
the
colors
are
a
little
bit
off
here
in
terms
of
the
match
of
the
door
and
the
door.
We
would
make
that
happen.
This
does
include
the
concept
of
the
fence
as
well
and
shows
the
updated
features.
C
I'm
not
sure
if
there's
anything
else,
that's
new
in
the
package.
Oh,
this
was
recent.
Now
we
go
into
a
long
sequence
where
he's
taken
garage,
not
sure
that's
LED
helpful
to
you.
It
was
helpful
to
us.
However,
so
I
highlighted
it
in
red
because
it
was
a
little
hard
to
see
the
yellow
tapes
and
the
photographs
that
we
took,
but
that
would
be
the
location
of
it
and
we
just
show
it's
kind
of
adjacent
to
where
the
two
neighbor's
garage
is
all
right.
C
Don't
think
that's
like
neither
here
nor
there,
but
we
staked
it
out
five
feet
in
this
upper
left-hand
picture
from
the
fence,
not
the
best
photograph
in
the
upper
right
to
show
you
how
close
it
is
to
the
fence.
The
lower
photograph
shows
you
the
five
foot
distance.
That's
that
requires
the
variance
to
the
part
of
the
house
that
sticks
out.
C
C
And
so,
when
we
discuss
the
last
time
the
the
issue
was
basically,
it
creates
an
almost
entirely
paved
backyard.
So
we
we
by
doing
this,
we
can
create
and
actually
yard
behind
it
and
not
have
to
shovel
that
length
of
distance
half
the
length
but
but
not
the
full
length,
and
that
was
why
we
were
seeking
this
variance
and
our
plan
in
the
event
that
we
don't
receive.
The
various
would
be
to
erect
a
non
permanent
structure
like
a
carport,
so
that
we
don't
have
to
go
all
the
way
to
the
back
of
the
garage.
E
I
do
have
a
question
so,
and
this
is
really
not
our
purview,
but
I
just
want
bring
it
up
that
you
know
if,
if
this
goes
through,
we
just
was
wondering
if
the
city
was
gonna
require
you
to
show
any
civil
work
or
anything
cuz
I,
don't
know
your
whole.
You
know
the
grading
is
going
to
change
in
terms
of
pushing
the
building
up
and
your
impervious
surface,
and
all
of
that
so
I
assume
that
just
just.
C
B
A
couple
things
first
of
all,
I
I,
think
it
was
inappropriate
to
even
bring
up
the
issue
of
then
last
time.
I,
don't
think
we
should
be
commenting
on
one
contractor
versus
another
and
so
I.
Don't
even
think
that
should
have
been
an
issue
and
you
shouldn't
have
been
either
shell
shock,
their
gun,
shy
or
whatever
other
term
we
can
use.
I
I
think
you're
alright,
with
where
you
put
it
in
terms
of
the
tape
but
I.
Don't
think
tape
replicates
the
three-dimensional
volume
of
the
garage.
So
it's
not
the
same.
B
You
know
it's
like
if
I
draw
it
on
the
ground.
It's
not
the
same.
I
do
have
a
question
about
why
your
windows
on
the
west
side
are
so
different.
I
know
what
you're
doing
in
terms
of
the
window
over
the
door.
Carlos.
If
you
go
to
that
you
ever
get
to
it,
yeah
it's
it's!
This
elevation
I
mean
once
you've
committed
yourself
to
a
proportion,
that's
similar
to
what
you
have
at
the
front
of
the
house.
Why
aren't
all
the
other
windows
I
think.
C
B
It's
almost
and
it's
curious
because
I
have
a
feeling,
looking
at
your
next
picture,
that
that
window
above
the
garage
probably
could
have
been
slightly
different
proportion.
I,
don't
know
if
it's
really
replicating
one
of
those
two
and
and
then
you're
suddenly
holding
that
vertical
dimension
and
making
it
fatter
as
we
go
back
and
I
mean
I
think
it
looks
like
the
vertical
has
been
held
and
they
suddenly
gotten
squished
out.
B
B
B
Could
you
have
once
you're
asking
for
a
variance,
and
maybe
you
were
avoiding
it
not
tried
being
closer
to
the
fence
and
being
further
away
from
the
house,
which
would
have
also
resolved
some
of
the
issues
of
how
close
you
were
to
the
house,
meaning
instead
of
the
five
living
with
the
five
feet,
going
the
three
feet:
I'm,
not
saying
zero
and,
and
that
would
have
given
you
eight
feet
or
more,
which
I
think
would
have
made
it
much
clearer
in
terms
of
the
relationship
to
the
house.
I.
C
Asked
a
question
about
that,
also
in
I
think
in
our
application,
but
I
you
know
I'm
not
sure
how
yeah,
obviously
not
that
experienced
at
doing
this
I,
don't
know
how
to
get
these
resolved.
One
of
the
thoughts
is
moving
it
forward
a
little
because
then
it's
what
is
closer
to
that
is
the
porch,
which
is
a
different
kind
of
structure
than
the
house
just
a
little
bit
moving
up
whatever
move
that
problem
as
well,
but
you
know
we
didn't
look
into
moving
over
in
the
other
direction.
C
B
C
True
they,
it
is
the
back
of
their
house,
and
we
they
know
that
we're
gonna
be
repairing.
The
fence
is
part
of
this.
The
fence
has
completely
fallen
down,
they
were
the
original
owners
of
the
fence.
It's
a
good
deal
from
their
point
of
view
as
well,
so
so
we're
we're
being
neighborly
on
the
fence
and
and
so
I,
don't
think
that
would
be
a
grave
concern
to
them,
but
I
would
need
to
check
with
them.
A
All
right,
I
guess,
I
I,
went
and
walked
around
the
neighborhood,
because
I
was
puzzled
by
the
the
the
placement
I
mean
most
of
the
houses
on
Michigan
have
le
access,
and
so
they
don't
I
mean
there
are
no
other
houses
with
equivalent
side
yard
garages.
The
house
immediately
to
the
north
has
an
attached
as
a
new
house,
the
attached
garage,
the
the
other
garages
that
were
not
on
the
Le
and
not
attached
in
the
neighborhood.
A
A
I
think
it
would
be
much
less
visually
obtrusive
that
way,
and
therefore
you
know
more
fitting
with
the
the
rest
of
the
neighborhood,
which
doesn't
have
kind
of
really
visible
side
yard
garages
and
where
people
you
know
again
have
had
to
fit
them
in
somewhere
in
the
back
of
the
house
that
really
tucked
them
in
as
unobtrusively
as
they
could
so
I,
don't
know
if
other
people,
if
anybody
else
had
the
same
feeling,
but
that
was
my
perception.
I.
E
Think
the
I
just
think
you
I
don't
have
a
problem
actually
moving
it
up.
I
just
you
know
where
it
is
I.
Just
think
you
have
to
think
about,
like
you
drew
that
little
fence
there's
a
little
fencing
and
there's
going
to
be
a
direct
relationship
that
you're
gonna
see
between
the
existing
house
and
then
that
new
piece
and
then
you
know
so
having
it.
You
might
send
have
that
little
fence,
which
is
behind
the
other
thing,
which
is
why
I
mean
you
might
that
vocabulary
of
that
fence,
which
is
the
you
know?
E
Maybe
it's
just
not
even
there
I
mean
because
it's
kind
of
it's
not
set
in
line
with
anything
I.
Don't
personally
I,
don't
think
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
bringing
the
garage
up
like
that,
but
I
would
say
that
fence.
You
might
just
wait,
see
what
the
you
know,
what
it
really
went
where
it's
placed
and
because
it's
actually
behind
the
other
porch,
and
so
anyway.
That
was
my
just
my
comment
on
those
fences.
A
F
I
actually
would
agree
with
you
mark
that
I
I
went
around
the
area
and
I
went
around
some
other
areas
and
I
looked
at
the
garage
that
was
brought
up
at
the
last
meeting.
That
Mary
mentioned
that
was
pushed
forward
and
I
particularly
think
having
the
garage
in
the
side
yard.
Is
it's
just
not
something
that
I
would
prefer
and
I
think
that
they're
better
placed
in
the
rear
of
the
lot?
But
that's
you
know
just
my
my
opinion.
G
A
J
Yes,
before
you
bring
on
the
applicant
and
I
just
want
to
give
some
context
to
why
they're
here
today,
but
first
we
must
introduce
myself.
I'm
Kimberly,
Richardson,
deputy
city
manager
and
I
have
been
working
with
the
committee
of
the
committee
to
get
to
this
point
over
the
last
three
years,
and
so
I
wanted
to
give
you
a
little
context
of
why
they're
here
today,
as
the
committee
went
to
City
Council
in
November,
to
discuss
the
a
roof
project
expansion,
the
City
Council
refer
them
to
dapper
after
review
at
dapper
Dapper.
J
We
didn't
referred
the
committee
to
come
in
for
you
to
discuss
the
lakefront
property
area.
That's
looking
to
be
a
part
of
the
expansion
plan,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
context,
because
I
know
that
this
is
kind
of
out
of
nowhere
for
some,
and
so
with
that
discussion
that
has
been
occurring
over
the
course
of
the
last
couple
couple
of
months.
We
felt
that
it
was
important
to
come
the
preservation
that
gets
the
feedback
there
before
going
back
to
City
Council
with
any
changes
or
modifications
to
the
plan.
J
J
Is
correct?
It
seems
like
in
really
that
this
decision
really
needs
to
go
back
to
City
Council,
but
my
understanding
from
City
Council's.
They
want
to
get
the
input
from
staff
and
from
preservation
because
of
the
areas
for
where
the
poles
are
being
located,
and
so
before
any
further
action
is
taken.
We
wanted
to
make
sure
we've
have
done
some
of
that
background.
A
A
J
F
K
K
What's
really
wonderful
about
it
is
that
we
achieved
our
goals,
aesthetically.
It
blends
in
to
the
point
that
when
I
had
a
meeting
a
few
years
ago
with
staff
and
mentioned
how
we
had
some
polls
and
cable
aerial
cable,
a
number
of
the
people
who
haven't
been
there
in
1992
didn't
even
realize
it
was
there.
So
that
was
something
I
took
as
a
compliment,
because
that
was
our
goal
to
make
it
virtually
invisible.
Where
you
it
doesn't
stick
out.
The
a
roof
is
a
benefit
to
the
whole
community,
creates
community.
K
It
serves
a
number
of
benefits,
as
we've
mentioned
in
some
of
the
background
materials,
and
our
goal
is
to
bring
this
project
to
fruition,
to
better
integrate
neighbors
within
Evanston,
to
create
better
community,
to
facilitate
accessibility
for
those
who
are
unable
to
otherwise
get
out
and
go
places,
whether
they're,
disabled
or
infants,
for
instance.
It
provides
opportunities
for
visiting
the
sick
at
the
hospitals,
who
are
that
are
here
now
oftentimes
on
the
Sabbath,
a
relative
might
have
to
walk
to
a
hospital
on
a
hot
summer
day.
K
It
means
not
carrying
a
bottle
of
water,
something
people
take
for
granted.
It's
walking
for
several
miles
and
I
really
have
summer
day
without
a
bottle
of
waters.
It's
not
only
not
pleasant.
Sometimes
it's
dangerous
things
of
that
nature,
and
it's
it's
it's
something
that
we
found
in
in
other
communities
and
in
you
know,
cities
across
the
country
across
North,
America
and
other
locations
that
it
creates
stability
and
improves
the
value
of
community.
So
that's
the
premise
of
why
we're
here:
it's
something
good.
K
It
exists
in
in
hundreds
of
communities
not
just
in
Israel,
obviously,
and
and
if
anybody
here
has
ever
gone
to
Tel
Aviv,
it's
the
era
of
wire
in
Tel
Aviv
rights.
It
runs
right
along
the
beach
over
there
and
doesn't
detract
from
a
beach
that
attracts
people
from
all
over
the
world,
tourists
and
visitors
who
go
there
for
enjoying
it.
There's
an
a
roof,
for
instance
in
Miami
Beach
that
runs
along
the
beach
there's
an
eruv
in
the
US
Capitol.
K
When
Joe
Lieberman
was
a
member
of
the
United
States
Senate,
he
was
able
to
use
that
a
roof
and
the
Vice
President
Al
Gore
followed
him
in
his
car
as
he
was
walking
back
to
his
apartment.
These
are
just
anecdotal.
It
also
exists
in
a
lot
of
college
towns.
I'm,
not
saying
that
Evanston
is
a
college
town.
Nor
would
I'd
say
that
New
York
is
but,
for
instance,
New
York
University
has
an
a
roof
in
that
portion.
Around
Washington
Square
Harvard
has
an
eruv
in
Cambridge.
K
Yard
UCLA
has
an
A
roof,
there's
an
a
roof
for
Penn.
These
are
all
great
cities
that
have
an
a
roof
and
that
helped
to
draw
a
broader
population
to
their
universities.
An
era
of
was
just
recently
built
last
year
for
the
University
of
Illinois
in
urbana-champaign.
Again,
this
is
all
just
background
information.
The
fact
is
is
that
Evanston
has
had
an
a
roof
since
1992.
K
It
connects
the
riprap,
for
instance,
which
creates
a
wall
to
the
point
where
then
you
have
a
nice
sandy
beach
and
you
have
to
figure
out
how
to
connect
the
walls
and
so
with
doorways.
So
the
poles
become
symbolic
doorposts.
The
cable
which
we're
proposing
to
run
on
top
is
the
header,
and
it's
tried
and
true
it's
been
done
before,
and
we
hope
that
you'll
be
able
to
support
us.
K
D
K
That's
what
I'll
refer
to
and
if
it's
all
right,
then
I'll
start
with
the
Clarke
Street
Beach
at
the
karke
Street
Beach.
There's
a
series
of
poles
and
there's
a
black
line.
That's
showing
there,
which
is
representative
of
the
path
of
the
aerial
wire
that
that
line,
if
it
was
to
scale,
would
be
invisible.
K
So
it
was
exaggerated
just
to
show
the
path
and
then,
at
the
end
of
that
line,
and
you
can
see
where
the
arrow
and
purple
points
we
proposed
installing
a
20-foot
black
pole,
which
is
similar
to
the
light
poles
that
are
there,
so
that
the
cable
could
run
to
that
location
at
that
location.
There's
a
gate
that
goes
to
dog
Beach,
the
gate
again
like
a
doorway
and
then
a
long
dog
beach.
A
K
I
K
K
Now
there
was
some
discussion
a
damper
as
to
whether
or
not
it
might
be
beneficial
to
have,
instead
of
just
a
light
pole.
I
have
one
that
was
actually
electrified
with
additional
light
again,
where
this
is
a
project
that
is
not
being
funded
by
the
the
city
of
Evanston
as
being
funded
through
private
donations.
I
have
no
authority
to
to
agree
to
start
putting
in
a
whole
series
of
new
electric
light
poles,
but
we
would
certainly
work
with
the
city
so
that
whatever
we
did
wouldn't
make
it
more
expensive
to
do
so.
K
I
was
trying
to
get
a
cost
figure
just
for
the
pole
itself,
not
for
electrification
or
for
the
light
head.
I
have
not
yet
gotten
it,
but
I
think
it
might
be
possible
for
us
to
be
able
to
to
share
in
that
cost
so
that,
if
putting
up
just
a
plain
pole,
we
we
had
something
that
was
exactly
the
same
as
what's
already
existing
all
along
the
lakefront
in
the
walking
path.
K
That's
just
a
depiction.
Rit
was
originally
the
photo
shop
of
how
he
showed
the
steel,
galvanized
steel,
pipe
fence
posts,
and
we
already
said
that
we
would
limit
those
that
they're
just
four
feet
above
grade
the
same
as
what
exists
there
and
just
use
the
same
installation
method
to
make
sure
that
the
fences
not
broken
and
properly
supported,
so
ignore
ignore
the
photo
shop
of
the
the
galvanized
pipe.
K
B
Confusing
when
I
was
reading
this
because
your
text
implies,
you
know,
reinforced,
etc.
Five
foot
high
fence
posts
post
should
be
spaced,
seven
and
a
half
feet.
Apart
is
if
you're
intending
to
put
in
five
foot
posts
in
space,
seven
and
a
half
feet
apart,
as
opposed
to
leaving
the
four
foot
fence,
which
is
it
we.
K
K
It's
absolutely
it's
absolutely
right.
This
was
submitted
before
the
damper
meeting.
I
I'm,
sorry,
I
didn't
have
it
modified
in
the
pictorial,
but
in
the
in
the
verbiage
of
the
submission
we
had
agreed
just
to
keep
it
the
same
standard
as
the
city
of
Evanston,
current
okay,
so
the
next
one.
Then
we
see
that
there's
again
similar
line
of
of
where
the
posts
would
be
now
at
the
boat
launch.
That's
a
motor
boat
launch.
K
There
are
currently
two
light
poles
at
the
center
of
the
boat
launch
and
at
the
south
end
of
the
boat
launch
they're
about
thirty
feet.
High
and
our
goal
over.
There
is
to
install
a
again
a
30-foot
high,
similar
pole
or
matching
tube,
because
those
are
tubes
over
there
so
that
we
can
run
the
cable
across
from
one
side
to
the
other
and
otherwise
the
there's
a
gate
just
to
the
north
side
from
dog
Beach.
K
That
gate
is
a
sufficient
door
within
the
the
fence
wall,
then
those
poles
across
the
boat
launch
would
constitute
again
two
interconnected
doorways
and
then
to
the
south
again
that
just
reinforced
some
of
the
existing
fence.
That's
there
till
we
get
to
a
point
all
the
way
at
the
south
end
over
there
when
it
it
picks
up
to
the
poles.
If
you
want
to
show
the
next
slide,
the
next
slide
down
below
by
the
way
that
was
photoshop
of
just
what
a
30-foot
pole
would
look
like,
because
you've
got
those
other
poles
that
are
there.
K
K
To
that
point
right
over
there,
there
is
some
existing
black
chain-link
fence.
That
already
runs
almost
all
the
way
to
that
location,
and
we
would
just
extend
it
somewhat
again.
We
want
to
match
the
existing
materials.
We
don't
want
to
put
a
patch
on
it.
We
want
to.
We
want
to
keep
it
aesthetically,
similar
you're.
K
Of
that
fence,
the
the
fence
comes
to
a
point
right
near
where
it
curves
a
little
bit
right
around
there,
and
we
just
want
to
extend
it
a
little
bit.
To
the
point
of
that
pole.
It's
the
fence
is
running
all
along.
That's
the
Dempster
rest
Street
sailboat,
launch
area,
and
that
fence
is
already
all
there,
with
the
exception
of
the
last
few
feet
that
we
want
to
extend
so
that
it
connects
up
to
the
the
last
pole
at
the
end
of
the
black
line
on
the
south
to
the
right
hand,
side
there.
K
Any
questions
on
that
okay
next
slide,
then
this
is
Lee
Street
Beach
and
at
the
top
right,
the
way
that
was
the
Photoshop
that
showed
the
existing
fence
and
proposed
extension
of
it.
It
would
replace
some
of
the
the
snow
fence
with
the
the
matching
chain-link,
the
Lee
Street
Beach,
on
the
bottom
of
this
picture.
K
K
K
K
K
They
cleared
the
properties
that
they'd
have
this
unobstructed
view
all
the
way
down
the
lakefront
and
the
guys
who
were
doing
the
Photoshop
finally
came
back
and
said
they
couldn't
do
it,
and
they
actually
pointed
out
that
there
was
a
cable
existing
at
one
of
the
walk
areas
near
the
near
the
beach
and
when
they
took
the
picture
to
show
that
area
and
the
cable
was
close
in
proximity
to
her.
The
cable
was
proposed.
K
D
L
Okay,
William
McGrath
at
9:43
touch
Burkhardt
right
at
the
corner
of
Lee
Street
Beach
and
at
the
corner
of
the
wrought
iron
fence,
I
guess
I'm
kind
of
struggling
to
understand
exactly
what
we're
fencing
in
or
what
we're
fencing
out.
So
you
maybe
understand
the
concern
but
I'm
also
concerned
about
how
do
you
get
past
the
residential
areas
along
the
lakefront?
L
You
have
south
of
Kedzie
down
to
I
guess
it's
called
Park
Street
Beach
down
at
the
south
end
and
you
have
the
area
of
edge
Muir,
Clark
and
there's
a
picture
there
of
network
art
that
I,
absolutely
maybe
you
could
put
it
up.
I
absolutely
could
not
understand
it.
Maybe
you
could
explain
to
us
exactly
how
the
wire
works
in
that
area.
L
It
also
just
I'll
make
a
comment
that
these
snow
fences,
at
least
the
one
along
Lee
Street
Beach,
are
taken
down
and
moved
in
the
wintertime
and
they
become
snow
fences
and
in
the
summertime
they're
used
as
a
it's
a
barrier
for
beach
access.
You
know
it's
a
control,
the
beach
access
and
I.
Don't
know
if
that
matters
or,
if
that's
taken
into
account,
and
that
may
be
why
they
suggested
the
Runner
and
permanent
fence
along
the
Lee
Street
Beach
area.
K
With
the
exception
of
two
with
whom
we're
speaking
right
now
are,
are
all
close
enough
together
and
a
lot
of
them
with
with
side
yard,
fences
or
gates,
so
that
the
houses
themselves
are
the
walls.
The
walls
of
the
houses
are
the
house,
the
houses
themselves,
the
wall
for
the
neighborhood
becomes
the
house.
K
It's
not
specifically
the
beach
wouldn't
be
included
in
the
a
roof
boundary
it
would
be
outside.
That's
why
we
have
to
create
the
the
doorway,
the
interconnected
doorway
at
the
front
of
the
beach,
because
there's
no
wall
otherwise,
because
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
create
the
the
city
to
be
like
one
big
house,
one
big
neighborhood
of
a
house,
that's
all
interconnected
doors
and
walls.
The
beach,
unfortunately,
doesn't
qualify.
For
that.
That's
why
at
the
locations?
K
Pardon
me,
we
have
the
proposal
for
the
cable
on
top
of
the
poles,
because
that's
the
interconnected,
doorways
city
of
Chicago
in
Lakeview,
has
as
an
a
roof
and
I'm
sure.
Probably
most
of
you
have
never
noticed,
but
even
across
Lake
Shore
Drive,
beautiful
picturesque,
Lake,
Shore,
Drive,
there's
cable
that
runs
across
at
Irving
Park
and
at
diversity,
which
is
part
of
the
a
roof
foundry
there.
K
L
L
K
L
K
Though,
there's
a
little
bit
of
space,
the
little
bit
of
spaces
is
inconsequential
because
the
houses
are
are
doing
what
they
need
to
do.
Yeah,
there's
one
vacant
lot
right
and,
and
what
we
need
to
do
is
we're
going
to
talk
to.
Whoever
is
got
it
to
the
extent
that
it
doesn't
have
a
fence
which
I
think
is
required
by
code
construction.
K
M
A
N
A
K
The
proposal
for
20
feet
was
simply
because
the
existing
poles
that
are
there
are
20
foot
high
poles.
We
wouldn't
want
to
put
it
much
more
closer
to
the
ground
than
that,
because
we
want
to
have
clearance.
The
clearance
in
the
state
of
Illinois
for
vehicles
is
13
and
a
half
feet.
If
you
have
grading
equipment
that
they
has
to
run
through
and
work
at
the
beach,
we
wouldn't
want
it
to
interfere
with
the
accessibility
to
the
beach
for
the
grading
equipment.
20
feet
high
is
is
way
above
whatever
we
would
need.
K
M
Will
okay,
thank
you
Kay,
and
this
is
completely
for
different
reasoning.
I
made
my
wife
and
I.
We
walk.
We
walk
a
lot.
We
walk
the
lake
all
the
time.
The
we
considered
the
so-called
snow
fence
is
a
true
eyesore
and,
and
mostly
and
the
worst
part
about
it
is
all
those
wonderful
benches
have
been
built
over
the
last
few
years.
M
You
can't
see
across
the
snow
fence,
that's
been
taken
down
here
and
there
there's
no
beach,
but
anyway,
I
shouldn't
make
a
comment,
because
since
a
possibility
would
be
the
wrought-iron
which
I
assume
would
be
aluminum,
probably
in
that
location,
but
nevertheless
the
look
of
our
lab
wrought
iron
aesthetically.
It
would
really
improve
li
Beach
and
people
sitting
in
the
benches
could
actually
see
the
beach
under
sitting.
So
I
don't
know
if
that's
worth
the
consideration,
but
as
a
person
who's
there
almost
every
day
and
all
up
and
down
the
beach.
A
B
K
As
far
as
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure
I
go
ahead,
I
know
when
we
met
with
dapper.
Well,
actually
it
was.
There
was
a
historical
conversation,
because
when
we
first
put
the
proposal
through,
we
had
suggested
replacing
a
lot
of
the
snow
fence
with
something
more
durable
like
chain-link,
and
that
was
shot
down
immediately
and
then
we
talked
about
maybe
some
places
doing
some
run
iron.
Why
they
focused
on
Li
I'm
gonna.
Let
the
rabbi
tell
you
okay,
so
the
civilan.
O
Okay,
when
we
were
at
the
dapper
meeting
so
when
we
came
to
the
least
feed
beasts
because
it
was
a
smaller
Beach,
so
the
civil
engineer
wasn't
sure
aesthetically
if
it
was
better
to
have
the
cable
boy
or
girl
cross
over
is
better
to
have
a
wrought
iron
fence
there
and
because
of
aesthetic
purposes,
and
they
didn't
feel
themselves
to
be
experts
in
aesthetics.
They
thought
that
was
your
your
your
expertise
and
therefore
they
deferred
it
to
you.
O
So
that's
the
only
location
that
they
felt
they
weren't
expert
enough
in
order
to
decide
whether
or
not
it
deserve
to
have
a
higher
fence
or
poles
or
the
cable
right.
So
that
was
the
reason
it
was
nothing
more
than
then.
What
is
the
best
aesthetically
and
they
were
going
to
defer
to
the
historical
so.
O
L
L
History
of
that,
when
we
moved
into
the
house
25
years
ago,
there
was
a
chain-link
and
barbed
wire
fence
there,
and
we
were
in
the
process
of
discussing
with
the
city
and
preservation,
replacing
the
chain-link
in
barbed
wire,
I,
didn't
particularly
care
for
living
behind
a
barbed
wire
fence
and
I.
Think
the
city
didn't
particularly
like
the
idea
of
having
a
barbed
wire
fence
there
and
the
city
asked
us
at
that
time.
L
If
we
would
consider
putting
because
I
said
I
wanted
to
put
in
the
wrought
iron
fence,
and
then
they
asked
us
that
we
would
consider
paying
for
it
and
extending
that
fence
all
the
way
out
on
the
breakwater,
which
we
did
so
aesthetically.
As
you
look
at
from
a
Street
Beach
you're,
looking
down
towards
downtown
Chicago
you're,
looking
at
a
wrought
iron
fence.
That
extends
the
entire
way
out.
Compliments
of
us,
but
we're
happy
to
do
it
because
it
aesthetically
it's
the
right
thing
to
do
so.
L
A
B
J
Is
yes
again,
Kimberly
Richardson?
It
is
an
option
that
we
are
looking
for
direction
from
you
to
provide
us,
as
it
was
one,
as
stated,
staff
had
requested
to
look
into
what
they
really
deferred
it
back
to
preservations,
to
provide
us
with
that
feedback.
If
we
should
move
forward
with
the
right
iron
or
with
their
original
proposal
of
a
wire
okay,.
K
E
Did
okay,
I
just
want
I?
Think
I
just
want
to
be
clear
about
something.
So
basically,
if
you
just
did
the
polls
on
Lee's
street
and
then
you
connected
the
wires
20
feet
up,
then
this
whole
fence-
you
don't
have
to
do
anything
right
because
you
still
have
is
correct
and
so
the
kind
of
the
fence.
That's
there
the
snow
fence.
That
would
just
be
there
as
it
is,
and
but
you
don't
need
anything
really.
J
E
J
A
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
just
making
sure
the
community,
even
though
we're
speaking
of
the
lakefront.
We
still
understand
that
that's
impacting
the
neighbors
in
that
area,
and
so
we
want
to
ensure
whatever
decision,
there's
some
options
that
we
can
look
at,
and
it's
not
steadfast
that
it
has
to
be
one
or
the
other.
It
was
more
of
just
understanding
the
community.
What
would
make
more
sense
in
that
location?
Would
it
be
a
poll?
Would
it
be
wrought
iron
fence
and
so
we're
looking
for
that
kind
of
direction?
J
A
I,
just
I
think
our
job
is
to
approve
what
the
the
applicants
requesting
and
obviously,
if
the
city
wishes
to
request
more
or
require
the
applicant
to
request
more,
we
can
do
it's
just
our
job
to
say
you
must
change
an
existing
fence.
I
mean
what
you
know.
The
defense
is
there
and
if
the
proposal
were
to
come
up,
we
could
do
it,
but
I
just
don't
know
we
could
should
decide
on
I
mean
it's
just
not
our
job
to
require
it.
I,
don't
think
we
would
object
to
it.
B
That
raises
the
other
question
which
came
up
during
the
presentation
about
light
poles
versus
mayor
poles,
because
the
applicant
didn't
propose
light.
Poles
I
noticed
that,
as
you
went
through
the
pre,
if
you
keep
going
through
the
PowerPoint,
we
suddenly
see
all
these
factory
cuts.
They
show
up,
they
start
showing
up.
Suddenly,
it's
like.
B
J
Let
me
speak
to
that
I.
Think
I
think
this
would
be
more
clarity
to
the
discussion
is
that
it
wasn't
the
light
fixture
itself
that
they
were
looking
at.
The
staff
was
looking
at.
It
was
looking
at
the
pole
to
mimic
the
style
of
what's
existing
with
the
light
structure.
So
it's
not
looking
at
it
from
we
want
to
have
another
light
fixture,
that's
operational.
It's
we
want
to
make
sure
the
style,
so
it
won't
be
a
pole.
J
That's
just
sticking
up,
that's
just
a
black
pole
and
then
we
were
going
to
have
it's
gonna
then
be
very
noticeable.
We
wanted
to
have
that
consistency.
So
it's
looking
at
the
structure
of
the
pole
itself,
which
is
the
light
structure
Pole
that's
used
in
that
area,
so
it
was
until
to
electrify
the
the
beach
any
further.
It
was
looking
forward
to
to
just
have
that
consistency
as
to
that
being
a
part
of
the
application
it
was
at
it.
J
It
was
given
as
part
of
wanted
to
make
sure
we
had
consistency
of
what
the
specs
will
look
like,
probably
should
have
been
taken
out,
but
it
wasn't
but
again
we're
not
looking
to
electrify.
It
was
looking
more
to
the
fact
that
we
wanted
consistency,
so
it
would
not
look
at
a
place
when
you're
walking
you're
like
words
that
black
pull
therefore
versus
you
know,
you
see
it
somewhere,
pull
you're
not
going
to
look
up
to
see,
there's
a
light
fixture
attached.
Okay,.
A
L
Will
note
that
I
do
not
believe
that
any
of
the
neighbors
or
people
that
live
within
250
feet
of
these
proposed
improvements
was
giving
notice
of
this
meeting,
so
I
suspect
that
there
would
might
be
more
people
who
would
have
an
interest
in
saying
something.
From
my
perspective
as
someone
who
is
within
250
feet
of
the
proposed
possible
20-foot
pole,
we
would
have
no
objection
to
a
wrought
iron
fence
across
the
front
of
that
D
Street
Beach,
consistent
with
the
existing
aesthetics
of
the
area
and
I.
Think
that
is
the
preservation
of
preservation.
L
We
would
have
no
objection
to
use
of
the
snow
fence
fencing
there.
That's
historically
been
used
as
the
wire.
We
would
object
to
a
20-foot
high
pole
with
a
wire
across
the
top
of
a
cross,
B
Street
Beach
from
a
aesthetic
preservation.
I
think
it
does
offend
the
preservation
standards
and
would
be
inconsistent
with
the
preservation
district.
So
and
I
will
note
that
I
think
many
many
other
neighbors
would
feel
would
share
that
if
they
had
notice
of
this
meeting.
Okay.
Thank
you.
A
D
A
A
A
H
I'm
still
mulling
that
over
but
I
do
have
a
recommendation
or
a
suggestion
about
if
in
fact,
they
city
or
whoever
is
deciding
this
decides
to
go
ahead
with
the
wrought
iron
fence
at
least
read
beach.
I
would
like
to
at
least
see
it
being
a
finish,
that's
more
consistent
with
the
rest
of
the
beaches,
which
is
more
of
a
sand
or
wash
wood,
color
and
I
would
just
liked
it.
H
I
can
understand
the
visibility
and
how
it
might
be
easier
to
see
through
it
and
I,
just
as
a
person
who
uses
that
Beach
a
lot
I,
don't
think
just
because
there's
a
six-foot
or,
however
high
that
fences
that
goes
from
east
to
west
at
the
south
end
of
the
beach
that
it
necessarily
has
to
be
the
same.
Color.
D
E
I,
just
I
think
that
since
I
was
not
aware
of
any
rooms
like
anywhere
in
Evanston
that
the
wire
20
feet
up
above
your
head,
I,
don't
think
anybody
even
sees
it
so
I
think
having
personally
having
like
a
four
inch
pole
as
opposed
to
like
this
whole
fence
that
has
to
be
designed
and
I
just
I
think
there
you
know
III,
don't
think
the
end
of
the
day
it
sounds
I
mean
neighbors
might
get
upset,
but
I
think
it's
gonna
be
far
more
minimal
than
doing
this
whole
fence
and,
having
you
know
so,
I
think
the
idea
of
it
might
not
be
really
what
the
appearance
would
be.
E
H
I
It
seems
like
at
least
for
tonight
the
only
post,
that's
in
any
remote
proximity
to
anyone's
house,
is
this
one
at
added
post
at
the
south
end
of
the
Lee
Street
Beach.
Could
you
comment
a
little
more
about
like?
Where,
specifically,
is
that
post
relative
to
his
house
and
does
that
location
matter?
We.
K
Had
proposed
that
that
is
there
that
pole
at
the
south,
end
of
Lee
Street
Beach
go
adjacent
to
the
property
line
right
at
the
edge
of
the
city's
property.
I
had
an
opportunity
just
now
to
speak
with
mr.
grant
McGrath
for
a
minute.
Our
goal
is
not
to
create
divisiveness
or
dissension.
Our
role
is
to
create
community
to
bring
more
people
together
and,
if
need
be,
there's
a
at
that
location.
That's
hard
to
see
here,
but
there's
like
a
driveway
with
a
gate
that
goes
into
the
beach
at
that
area.
K
That's
used
for
equipment,
there's
a
small
section
of
snow
fence
that
goes
from
the
McGrath
property
line
towards
that
gate,
and
if
it
would
create
better
feel
for
neighborliness,
we
would
propose
to
install
an
additional
piece
of
wrought
iron
and
that
location
until
the
point
of
the
gate
and
at
the
south
end
of
that
wrought
iron.
Primary
the
north
end
of
that
wrought
iron
Edition
put
the
20-foot
high
pole
so
that
it's
not
right
up
against
the
McGrath
property
line.
B
K
K
We
would
put
that
we
would
put
our
pole
at
the
at
the
south
end
of
that
gate
and
fill
in
the
gap
with
wrought
iron,
because
we're
sensitive
we're
here
to
create
community
to
to
have
good
feelings,
and
that's
a
small
piece
of
wrought
iron
that
hopefully
would
would
not
be
objectionable,
obviously,
will
be
black
and
it
would
be
made
to
blend
in.
It's
not
gonna
match
exactly
because
you're
talking
about
different
elevations
and
whatever,
but
something
that
that
aesthetically
blends
in
that
would
be
our
goal.
K
The
wire
above
will
just
terminate
at
that
pole
and
then
continue
going
north
to
the
other
existing
poles
that
are
there
so
that
the
the
gate,
the
the
gate,
that's
there
would
have
the
cable
above
it.
That
would
be
the
doorway
and
to
the
south
of
that
pole
would
be
a
fence
connecting
with
the
other
fence
which
our
walls.
G
If
I
can
remember,
I
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
or
are
we
doing
that
or
are
we
providing
a
recommendation
to
the
City
Council.
G
Yes,
okay,
I,
move
that
we
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
eruv
district
expansion
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district
section,
which
includes
reinforcing
along
the
lake
foot,
forefront
high
snow
fences
at
the
clerk's
teat
Beach,
the
installation
of
one
20-foot
black
pole
the
same
as
the
pole
that
exists.
There
then
install
area
aerial
wire
along
the
existing
poles
at
the
Arrington
lakefront
Lagoon,
the
installation
of
one
30-foot
high
square
tube
to
match
the
existing
light
pole
and
extend
the
aerial
wire
across
at
Greenwood.
G
Street
Beach
install
one
20-foot
black
pole
to
match
the
existing
one
and
install
aerial
wire
pole
along
the
existing
poles,
extend
the
existing
four
foot
high
chain-link
fence
up
to
the
light
pole
at
the
lease
street
beach
the
to
go
with
the
option
that
was
proposed
here
tonight,
which
would
be
the
installation
of
a
pole.
A
20-foot
black
pole
at
the
south.
A
O
G
D
B
A
B
B
A
A
B
J
D
You
have
any
question
from
that:
okay,
so
step
report.
E
D
You
so
we
have
the
grant
agreement
signed
finally
from
the
department
of
natural
resources
or
the
camp
workshop,
so
the
goal
is
to
have
the
workshop
in
the
spring
of
2018.
I
already
been
in
contact
with
the
camp
office.
Send
them
an
email
to
request
dates
that
they
can
suggest.
We
can
have
the
workshop.
We
will
prefer
to
have
it
on
a
Friday.
We
know
that
there
will
be
no
more.
We
can
have
no
more
than
30
people
attending
that
will
include
Commission
members
and
city
staff.
Any
available
seating
will
be
through
other
registrations.
D
Highland
Park
has
has
information
about
it
and
also
got
contact
from
line,
as
you
know
that
they
will
also
like
to
inform
their
members
and
the
the
North
Shore
Alliance
so
that
they
can
register
so
once
I
receive
the
information
from
camp.
As
far
as
the
dates,
then
I
will
transmit
that
to
you,
and
hopefully
we
have
a
majority
of
the
commissioners
even
at
all,
attending
the
workshop.
So
we
can
determine
the
date
on
that.
It.
D
G
Is
that
the
one
from
earlier
today
that
is
Carlos
yeah,
essentially
Lisa
D
Kara's,
getting
together
the
Chicago,
suburban
Preservation
Alliance
meetings
for
this
coming
year?
You
may
remember
that
I
went
to
a
lot
of
them.
Carlos
went
to
some
other
folks
went
to
some
as
well,
but
I
think
it
would
be
something
glowing
forward
that
it
would
be
good
that
when
they
do
meet
and
it's
two
or
three
times
a
year,
if
somebody
from
the
Commission
went
because
often
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
they
discuss
are
things
that
are
facing
other
Commission's.
G
That
I
think
can
help
inform
our
decisions
going
forward
and
I.
Think
I
thought
I
went
to
a
lot
of
them
and
found
them
very
useful
and
I
I
guess
it
was
just
a
recommendation
that
if
you
can
just
keep
it
going
once
you
know
the
dates
usually
they're
when
they've
identified
them,
you
usually
have
quite
a
bit
of
notice,
so
you
can
put
it
on
your
calendar
and
figure
out
who's
going
so
I.
D
I
have
attended
those
meetings
as
well.
It's
good
networking
and
also
to
understand
what
challenges
all
the
Commission's
yeah
cities
have.
Sometimes
you
get
some
ideas
from.
You
know
solutions
that
they
conceived,
and
then
you
also
make
Evanston.
You
know
relevant
for
the
other
communities
they
want
to
know.
You
know
how
are
we
operating
recently?
I
got
an
email
from
Commissioner
from
Winnetka
wanted
to
know
how
many
climbers
we
have
how
many
owner
honorary
llamas
we
have,
which
we
don't
that
and
she
was
impressed
with
the
number
of
lemurs.
B
G
G
That
maybe
it
was
less
than
that,
but
you
know
it's
been
in
a
number
of
different
communities.
It's
Lombard
Downers
Grove,
it's
Joliet,
it's
typically
all
over,
but
it's
limited
to
the
suburbs.
Park
Ridge
I
think
was
another
one
that
hosted
it.
So
it's
it
moves
around
all
the
time,
but
they're,
usually
they
usually
want
one
community
to
host
it,
and
then
some
of
their
issues
are
typically
highlighted
as
part
of
the
program
so
and
it
usually
is
a
morning
a
Saturday
morning.
That's
typically
when
the
meetings
are
usually.