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A
We
did,
we
did
send
out
a
memo.
Technical
memorandum
regarding
bridge
avenue,
I'm
not
going
to
go
through
the
whole
thing,
I'm
going
to
highlight
a
few
of
the
points
why
we
are
doing
this
project
and
what
is
the
reason
for
it?
Rip
revenue
is
a
major
arterial
in
the
city.
The
traffic
varies
from
16
to
23
000.
A
A
How
can
we
improve
the
safety
along
ridge
avenue,
so
most
of
the
improvements
that
we
are
suggesting
are
operational
improvements,
I'm
going
to
go
through
that
later.
What
is
operation?
What
is
physical,
operational
improvements
are
basically
most
of
the,
as
you
can
see
along
ridge
avenue.
We
have
the.
If
you
look
at
oakton
main
and
lake
along
ridge,
you
have
the
left
turning
traffic
that
can
go
first
from
either
northbound
or
southbound
and
then
the
other
side.
A
A
So
only
two
vehicles
can
make
the
left
from
the
cross
streets
under
rage
during
the
peak
hours
for
the
most
part,
because
the
traffic
is
so
heavy
and
there
is
traffic
keeps
going
through
traffic
along
east
west,
so
only
two
traffic
only
two
of
the
vehicles
can
get
through.
So
what
we
are
trying
to
do
is
install
the
exist.
There
are
existing
post-op
signals,
so
we
are
going
to
increase
the
height
by
two
feet
and
then
we
are
going
to
have
a
forehead
signal
so
that
we
will
let
the
left
turn
signals
cross
fast.
A
By
doing
so,
the
whole
operational
efficiency
of
the
intersections
will
improve.
So
that
means
when
there's
a
turning
vehicle,
where
there
is
an
east-west
street
or
ridge,
they
go
fast.
Then
the
through
traffic
goes.
So
by
doing
so,
we
can
get
more
cars
go
through
in
a
safe
manner.
The
bottom
line
is:
how
do
we
increase
the
safety?
How
do
we
make
sure
the
pedestrians
can
cross
these
intersections
safely?
A
A
A
The
ada
has
to
stay
within
certain
distance
like
three
feet
from
the
crosswalks,
so
we
will
be
adding
some
post,
which
is
about
10
feet
high,
which
will
have
a
pedestrian
push
button
at
all
these
locations.
To
con
to,
we
need
to
confirm
with
the
federal
guidelines
that
is
also
an
another
operational
improvement.
There
are
posts
will
be
adding
couple
of
posts
where
needed.
We
will
try
to
see
if
we
can
manage
those
pedestrian
push
buttons
on
the
existing
posts.
A
We
will
try,
but
we
need
to
meet
certain
guidelines,
so
that
will
be
part
of
our
phase
two
design.
So
in
brief,
these
are
the
improvements
along
ridge
avenue
in
order
to
improve
the
safety
of
the
vehicles
as
well
as
the
pedestrians.
If
rajiv
wants
to
add
anything,
please
go
ahead.
Otherwise
I'll
be
happy
to
discuss
your
questions.
A
B
I
just
have
one
more
thing
to
add:
there's
a
bus
stop
on
southbound
ridge
at
dempster
and
we
do
not
meet
the
ada
guidelines
over
there,
where
the
bus
stop
is
so
we're
proposing
to
move
the
bus,
stop
from
the
north
side
of
dempster
to
the
south
side
of
dempster
body
defeat.
A
C
C
For
each
matter,
we'll
give
members
of
the
public
an
opportunity
to
speak
for
a
maximum
of
two
minutes.
If
anybody
is
there,
anybody
who
would
like
to
speak
to
this
city
project.
C
Oh
all
right
are
there.
Is
there
any
commissioner
who
would
like
to
give
any
comment
to
the
city
to
consider
incorporating
any
recommendations.
C
All
right,
kate,
is
there
any
action
for
formal
action
or
resolution?
We
need
to
pass.
E
You
don't
yeah,
you
don't
have
to
take
a
formal,
any
formal
action.
You
don't
have
to
take
a
vote
on
it.
It
just
says
to
provide
comment
on
city
projects,
so
it
sounds
like
due
to
it
only
being
in
the
intersection.
So
there's
no
comment.
F
C
F
C
C
You
know
that
that's
your
prerogative
you're
welcome
to,
but
you're
going
to
have
to
whoever's
presenting
is
just
going
to
have
to
take
us
through
the
most
important
part
of
the
the
plans
and
show
them
to
us
if
you're
prepared
to
do
that.
That's
fine!
Well,.
C
Yeah,
no
we're
we're.
We
understand,
and
you
know
we
very
much
understand
that
we
just
need
somebody
to
present
more
the
you
know
the
architectural
plans.
Why
don't
we
come
back
to
you
and
you
know
be,
I
I
don't
think
it'd
be
more
than
like
15
minutes
mark.
C
We'll
come
back
to
in
a
few
minutes
what
we'll
come
back
to
next
call.
H
C
All
right,
the
next
matter
of
new
business
was
707
sheridan
road
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district.
I
C
I
Okay,
I'm
the
architect
for
707
sheridan
road.
The
project
is
on
a
is
a
two-part
addition
to
the
rear
of
a
residence
to
the
side
of
a
residence.
It
is
on
sheridan
road
and
we
are
not
looking
for
any
kind
of
variants,
etc.
I
The
so
this
house
was
renovated
extensively
in
2003
and
it
is
the
same
owner,
but
there
is,
you
know,
just
an
evolution
of
use
for
the
house,
and
these
two
moves
that
we're
proposing
here
today
are
really
just
to
maximize
the
use
of
the
of
the
house
and
better
align
it
with
the
with
the
current
owners
use
patterns.
I
I'll
start
with
the
northern
edition.
That's
the
central!
What
you're
looking
at
here
in
the
middle
of
the
drawing
on
the
top
is
the
existing
conditions
it
has.
On
the
second
floor,
there
is
a
small
deck
that
is
accessible
through
a
small
bedroom,
and
that's
really
the
impetus
for
this.
This
part
of
the
project
is
to
make
that
room
more
functional.
I
To
give
it
some
more
elbow
room
right
now,
the
room
is
10
feet
a
little
over
10
feet
in
the
dimension
that
we're
increasing
by
bringing
that
door
wall
the
the
wall
that
you
see
behind
the
balustrade
there
up
to
the
plane
of
the
lower
level,
we're
repeating
a
lot
of
the
same
details
that
are
common
for
material
use
and
some
of
the
relationships,
including
the
the
flared
water
table.
We've
got
window
pattern
and
type
repeated
up
above
from
what's
below.
I
This
is
partially.
You
know
in
response
to
the
rest
of
the
house,
which,
in
to
the
in
the
turret
to
the
right
you'll,
see
that
you
see
the
same
approach
where
there's
windows
just
stacked
up
on
top
of
each
other,
so
we
have
a
little
bit
different
roof
proposed
for
this.
It's
not
a
segmented
turret
like
like
the
original,
but
it's
a
just
a
gable
that
makes
use
of
some
of
the
more
interesting
siding
patterns
up
above
the
circular
window.
I
There
is
repeated
you
know,
on
the
right
hand,
side.
This
is
kind
of
an
echo
of
that
and
the
the
roof
itself
actually
has
a
squared
corner.
So
you
would.
This
will
be
more
more
evident
in
the
three-dimensional
drawing
when
we
look
at
that.
I
The
addition
at
the
back
of
the
house
and
that's
the
one
that's
looking
at
the
lake-
has
a
similar
agenda,
which
is
to
enclose
a
deck
that
is
not
being
used
and
is
not
being
optimized
by
the
owners.
They're.
Looking
to
turn
this
into
a
conservatory,
it's
off
the
master
bathroom
the
main
bathroom,
and
this
is
actually
something
that
we're
seeing
up
and
down
the
the
the
coast.
I
I've
seen
a
couple
of
houses
that
have
that
are
taking
the
same
approach.
I
This
we're
working
with
town
and
country
right
now.
We've
got
some
details
provided
for
that,
but
it
would
be
an
aluminum
structure
with
operable
windows
in
the
middle.
It
would
mainly
be
the
the
the
conservatory
would
mainly
be
visible
only
in
the
roof.
I
Well,
it's
only
visible
you'll
see
in
the
three-dimensional
at
the
back
of
the
house
and
below
that
gutter
line.
We're
gonna
repeat
some
of
the
same
window
types
in
that
language,
so
that
one
we
can
look
at
the
three-dimensional
also,
but
with
the
addition,
that's
to
the
north
that
we
spoke
of
earlier
that
the
the
work
in
the
back
becomes
even
less
visible
from
from
sheridan
road
cade.
I
Can
we
go
to
the
yeah
there
we
go
so
these
are
on
the
right
hand,
side,
you
see
the
front
elevation
front
and
back
are
sorry
proposed
below
and
existing
above
and
then
on
the
left
hand,
side
is
the
rear
elevation
proposed
on
the
bottom
and
existing
above,
so
you
can
see
how
we're
we're
continuing
the
structure
up
to
a
two-story
height
and
repeating
the
windows
and
enclosing
that
area
that
is
currently
the
deck
on
the
right
hand,
on
the
on
the
right-hand
side,
so
that
the
lake
is
visible
from
the
bedroom
itself
and
that
you
don't
have
to
go
out
onto
that
deck
to
see
the
lake
the
the
main
bedroom,
though
there
will
still
be
a
small
deck
off
of
that,
which
is
that
curved
area.
I
That's
on
the
far
east
side
of
the
house.
Can
we
go
to
the
three-dimensional.
I
I
You
can
see
how
that
that
roofline
works
and
the
repeated
windows
you
can
also
get
a
sense
of
how
the
easternmost
edition
sort
of
fades
from
view
and
is
blocked
by
the
the
work
that
we're
doing
on
the
north,
the
materials
I
did
not
render
these
you
know
directly,
but
you
can
see
the
in
the
pictures,
some
of
the
siding
patterns
that
we're
looking
to
repeat
and
then
on
the
right
hand,
side
is
a
close-up
of
the
conservatory
and
how
that
would
work.
I
I
do
think
it's
important
to
point
out.
Those
windows
are
rendered
too
close
together.
There
is
a
five
inch
separation
between
the
double
lungs.
That's
a
that
rendering
is
not
correct
with
that
detail
and
then,
on
the
lower
right
hand,
side.
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
little
rounded
deck
that
you
see
that
will
remain
the
two-story
component,
which
is
the
conservatory
in
that
picture,
would
be
behind
that.
What
you're
seeing
there
as
the
rounded
balustrade,
I
believe,
that's
that's
the
gist
of
it.
I
I
I
D
I
Sorry,
the
roof!
What
on
the.
I
Right
so
I
am
looking
at.
I
J
Yeah
I
have
a
question
for
the
north
porch
or
for
the
north
extension
for
the
for
that
bedroom
and
the
the
new
roof
line
there.
Can
you
just
walk
me
through
what
the
thinking
was
to
introduce
the
new
roof
form,
rather
than
kind
of
just
extend
the
roof
form
that
was
there
since
the
same
footprint
is
still
there.
I
Sure,
well,
part
of
that
is
functional
for
an
interior
space
for
mechanical
and
some
storage
that
was
was
off
of
a
it's
off
of
a
bedroom
that
could
be
used
a
little
bit
more
than
the
the
current
roof
structure.
I
But
you
know
that
we
walked
through
a
couple
different
designs
and
I
think
the
you
know
the
the
segmented
turret
we
were
looking
to
get
away
from
that.
Actually
in
proximity
to
the
to
the
rounded
turret
right
in
front
of
it.
We
thought
we
would
echo
more
of
what
was
going
on
in
the
front
and
that
sharp
peak
that
you
see
on
the
in
the
picture
on
the
left-hand
side.
G
Oh
yeah,
I
want
to
complement
you
on
a
nice
job.
I
I
think
the
the
work
with
the
conservatory
and
the
fact
that
you
still
have
a
balcony
there
works.
Thank
you
for
including
the
floor
plans,
which
are
not
a
requirement
but
help
us
understand
what
you
what
you've
done.
I
would
agree
with
a
previous
comment.
I
think
that
the
the
introduction
of
the
gable,
and
rather
than
simply
repeating
the
forms
of
the
faceted
hip
roof,
I
actually
give
the
that
bay
element
on
the
north
facade.
G
A
really
heavy
look.
I
think,
that's
emphasized
in
your
detailed
views
where
you
look
up
at
the
flat
underside
of
the
soffits.
I
think
that
the
design,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
would
be
greatly
improved
by
being
quieted
down
and
simply
having
a
hip
roof.
That
was
like
the
one
that
you
won
on
the
original.
J
Yeah
yeah,
I
would
agree,
and
I
think
what
would
help
there
is
just
removing
the
you
introduced
some
new
corners
on
the
corners
that
had
been.
You
know
that
are
not
part
of
that
original
footprint
and
yeah.
I
guess
you
know
stuart's
use
stuart's
use
of
the
word
heavy
yeah.
I
think
that
applies
here.
I
just
think
it
would
be
kind
of
more
in
keeping
with
that
original
design
to
just
extend
that
on
out,
but
that
that's
just
for
consideration.
C
No
okay,
then,
back
to
a
discussion
among
the
commissioners
I
mean
are:
would
we,
like
the
you
know,
an
actual
change
in
design
and
for
the
applicant
to
return,
or
are
we
just
willing
to
proceed
with
the
recommendation
or
even
just
a
requirement
that
the
roof
line
on
the
north
elevation
be
more
consistent
with
the
original
roof.
I
I
can
definitely
look
at
that
more
I
if,
if
it
would
help
to
to
send
over
some
new
renderings
or
pictures,
you
know
that
maybe
we
could
work
in
a
small
group
is
that
is
that
an
option
or.
C
Yeah
I
mean,
if
that's
the
only
change
we
could
approve
subject
to
approval
just
of
that
of
that
one
area
and
then,
if
you
send
it
into
cade,
he
can
you
know
ask
maybe
maybe
about
the
stewart,
since
they
both
had
astute
observations,
yeah
sign
off
on
it.
So
then
you
wouldn't
have
to
come
back.
That's
a
that's
a
possibility
if
the
commissioners
are
all
on
board
with
that.
J
C
It
still
looks
it
looks
good
all
right.
Any
other
discussion
by
commissioners.
J
Yeah
yeah,
that's
right!
So
we're
going
to
do
kind
of
just
a
secondary,
a
follow-up
review,
just
with
a
cup
of
commissioner
cohen
and
myself
and
cade
correct.
C
J
G
C
Second,
so
it's
second
okay,
we'll
do
a
roll
call
vote.
Commissioner
reinhold
aye,
commissioner
bowdan.
H
H
K
H
C
M
C
M
C
C
M
Thank
you.
My
name
is
philip
coopers,
I'm
an
architect
and
the
architect
for
the
bermans
who
own
residents
at
1232
ridge,.
M
M
M
Okay,
the
residents
that
they
own
esther.
How
long
have
you
owned
this
building.
M
So
the
problem
is,
as
presented
to
me,
the
architect,
being
able
for
mr
berman
to
access
to
live
in
the
residence
first
of
all
and
to
access
the
main
level
of
the
building
and
the
second
floor,
which
have
the
bedrooms
and
access
the
building
from
the
exterior
and
the
slide
that
you're
looking
at
shows.
M
M
It
is
an
exceptionally
difficult
thing
to
negotiate,
especially
during
the
winter
time,
so
between
the
difficulty
of
a
ramp
access
just
simply
to
get
into
the
building
and
then
having
to
construct
interior
shafts
for
the
vertical
connections.
Between
the
first
and
second
floor,
we
thought
that
this
was
far
too
difficult
a
solution.
M
We
thought
there
is
a
much
easier
and
much
simpler
form
of
accessibility,
which
is
at
at
this
moment
the
design
that
I'm
proposing.
We
discuss
that
fits
into
the
conditions
for
a
building
in
the
historic
district.
What
we
decided
because
of
the
extreme
difficulty
to
use
this
residence
and
get
to
it
from
the
outside,
we
are
proposing
an
exterior,
lift
shaft.
M
Thank
you
and
what
you're
looking
at
is
a
volumetric
drawing
showing
what
this
would
look
like
in
volume.
I
will
show
you
shortly
another
slide,
but
this
slide
shows
you
another
important
aspect
of
the
lift,
and
that
is
when
the
lift
finally
gets
to
grade
level
that
instead
of
opening
directly
to
the
exterior
which
in
the
winter,
would
be
an
area
full
of
snow.
M
The
idea
is
to
provide
a
vestibule
which
is
enclosed,
which
is
a
transition
space
from
the
vertical
lift
out
to
the
outsole
outdoors.
M
M
M
This
particular
building
has
a
a
range
of
character
and
design
elements
that
are
related
to
its
design.
We
looking
at
the
back
of
the
building,
see
essentially
a
building
whose
elevation
has
been
remodeled.
Let
me
point
out
some
of
the
remodeling
elements,
we're
looking
at
primarily
the
west
face
of
the
building.
M
There
is
this
elevated
porch
that
these
steps
lead
up
to
that's
a
more
recent
constructed
element,
recent
meaning
prior
to
the
designation
of
the
district
being
his
designated
historic
and
the
left
side
is
the
north
elevation
of
the
building
and
to
the
left
is
actually
one
neighbor,
which
is
a
synagogue
and
the
driveway
exits
out
towards
the
background
onto
ridge
avenue.
M
The
idea
is
that
this
building
is,
if
I
could
use
this
metaphor,
it's
a
building
that
is
sort
of
like
a
lobster.
It
doesn't
have
a
pure,
simple,
formalistic
design
idea
behind
it.
Embedded
in
this
building
is
a
sort
of
palladian
front
element
that
has
a
central
stair
and
in
the
quadrants
of
the
square.
That
is
the
front
part
of
the
building.
M
You
have
rooms
that
all
have
different
types
of
bays
and
different
types
of
turrets
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
moment,
no
one
elevation
is
the
same
as
any
other
elevation.
This
is
not
a
building
that
has
anything
that
is
truly
distinctive
and
uniform,
except
for
the
following.
This
building
there's
a
more
romantic
version
of
earlier
residences.
M
It
has
for
the
primary
design
motif
a
major
roof
element
that
connect
connects
the
front
and
back
of
this
building.
M
So
at
and
above
the
second
floor,
there
is
a
roof
eve
that
you
can
see
prominently
in
this
photograph
below
which
is
a
fascia
and
curved
cove,
and
you
can
see
the
fascia
band
just
beneath
the
eve
line
and
then
the
fascia
band
then
for
two
stories
goes
down
and
it
is
covered
with
a
stone
veneer
and
over
time,
the
stone
and
mortar
veneer
has
been
painted.
M
So
what
you're
looking
at
is
a
building
that
has
many
faces.
Many
geometries
many
forms
one
of
the
one
of
the
forms
which
you
do
not
see
are
the
chimneys
forms
that
rise
above
the
eve
line
and
the
intent
is
for
this
edition
folks,
first
to
be
simplistic
in
its
volumetric,
shaping
just
to
follow
the
functional
aspects
of
it.
So
at
first
floor
there
is
a
foyer
lobby
through
which,
when
you
enter,
you
can
get
into
the
lift
which
carries
you
vertically.
M
The
ship,
the
element
above
the
ground
level
lobby
is
the
shaft
that
I'm
referring
to
the
lift
is
one
that
has
two
doors
to
it,
one
that
you
enter
through
from
the
lower
level,
the
vestibule
or
lobby.
M
When
you
get
to
the
first
or
the
second
floor,
you
continue
straight
on
through
the
second
door,
which
is
opposite
the
first
door.
That
then
gets
you
into
the
first
floor
or,
as
you
go
up
to
the
second
floor,
it
gets
you
into
the
second
floor.
So
what
you're
looking
at
is
a
minimalistic
volumetric
description
of
the
building.
The
idea
is
to
because
of
the
romantic
nature,
the
stone
covering
around
the
entire
residence
to,
at
the
end,
create
a
like
finish
in
this
case.
M
Hardy
board
white
to
be
painted
and
to
at
the
end,
be
painted
the
same
color
as
the
rest
of
the
lower
two
floors
of
the
building
and,
most
importantly,
and
consistent
with
construction
in
a
landmark
district.
All
of
this
construction
is
intended
to
be
temporary
in
nature
temporary
in
order
to
accommodate
the
handicapped
situation
that
mr
berman
finds
himself
in
the
idea
is
once
this
construction
serves
its
purpose
when
it's
no
longer
needed
for
accessing
the
residence.
M
M
Okay,
this
particular
picture
gives
you
a
clear
idea
of
what
the
north
face
of
the
building
is
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
So
what
you're
seeing
and
there
are
some
red
lines
in
front
of
it
to
suggest
where
we're
headed,
which
is
the
addition
to
this
part
of
the
building?
M
I'll
point,
those
out
in
a
moment
what
you
see
there
to
start
with
is
on
the
second
floor,
at
the
rear
north
portion
of
this
facade,
a
modification
that
had
been
made,
which
is
basically
where
the
bathroom
is
so
what
you're
looking
at
is
an
earlier
construction
where
they
used
a
plaster
finish,
and
that
window
you
see
is
the
window
for
that
health.
M
I'm
gonna
do
a
another
take
on
this
elevation.
Let's
go
to
the
next
picture,
please.
M
M
The
service
entrance
was
shut
down,
but
for
the
most
part,
what
you're
seeing
is
a
successful
to
the
extent
that
a
building
like
this,
with
its
romantic
and
arbitrary,
bumps
and
window
shapes
and
window
designs
and
all
of
the
other
arbitrary
things
that
have
been
used
for
this
particular
building
design.
What
you're
seeing
is
what?
Basically
I
am
talking
about
relative
to
the
proposed
lift
for
this
structure.
M
M
What
we're
looking
at
is
a
window
whose
sill
will
have
to
be
lowered,
which
then
will
become
a
doorway
after
the
lift
arrives
from
grade
up
to
the
first
floor,
we
are
going
to
reuse
that
opening
to
access
and
enter
into
the
first
floor
of
the
building
we
don't
have
to
with
the
end,
interrupt
any
of
the
major
mechanicals
which
are
in
the
basement
just
below
this
condition,
and
that
was
again
one
of
the
primary
reasons
for
trying
to
do
an
exterior
application
to
create
a
temporary
way
to
get
to
this
building
without
having
to
redo.
M
There's
some
major
electrical
panels
just
below
this
there's
the
steam
lines
for
the
radiators,
there's,
the
plumbing
horizontal
branches
and
all
that
are
just
beneath
this
location,
none
of
which
have
to
be
physically
tampered
with.
The
idea
is
to
modify
this
window
opening
and
modify
above
it.
The
window
opening
take
the
material,
the
stone
which
will
be
removed
from
these
windows
and
take
the
windows
intact
without
destroying
the
window
frame,
store
the
stone
and
the
window
frames
in
the
garage
which
is
to
the
right
about
50
feet
away.
M
What
you
see
is
a
broken
line,
a
graphic
line,
that's
broken
with
an
x.
If
you
can
look
more
closely,
that
was
the
line
I
was
referring
to
in
the
previous
slide.
That
was
the
demarcation
point
between
what's
to
the
right,
which
was
the
wall
and
to
the
left,
which
was
a
recessed
service
entrance
that
had
been
infilled
with
stone
and
mortar
used
as
veneer
and
painted.
M
The
idea
is
to
come
back
once
the
windows
are
reinstalled
using
the
same
windows
that
are
taken
out
temporarily.
Just
this
window
and
the
window
above
put
the
stone
back
put
the
original
windows
back
in
their
openings
essentially
successfully
return
this
building
to
its
current
visual
condition.
Next,
please.
M
These
next
few
drawings
are
the
drawings
that
were
done
originally
by
the
architect
for
the
construction
of
this
building
and
you're.
Looking
at
the
north
elevation
and
to
the
right,
you
see
these
windows
clearly,
which
are
the
windows
that
I
am
talking
about,
that
will
be
modified
or
edited
sufficiently
to
have
a
door
passage
through
them.
M
We
don't
have
to
remove
the
lentils,
there's
enough
height
and
generosity
in
the
construction
of
those
for
us
in
a
simple
way
to
add
a
vertical
exterior
element
that
will
be
simple
in
its
texture:
it'll,
be
hardy
board
a
plaster
board
painted
to
match
the
color
of
all
of
the
stone
and
mortar
stuff
that
is
throughout
the
base
of
the
building
to
at
the
end,
allow
us
to
match,
what's
here
now
and
fit
what
you
see,
and
let
me
point
this
out
the
the
romantic
nature
of
this
building,
one
that
doesn't
seem
to
have
a
primary
design
motif
other
than
the
eve
line
below,
which
is
the
stone
above,
which
is
the
roof.
M
M
We're
staying
below
the
eve
line,
we're
not
challenging
any
of
the
other
aggressive
romantic
gestures
of
bay
windows
and
turrets
and
roof
shapes
we're.
Keeping
the
geometry
of
this
minimally
within
the
volumetric
shapes
that
needed
are
needed
to
create
this
lift
next
slide.
Please.
M
This
elevation
is
the
opposite
of
the
elevation
we
just
saw.
This
is
the
south
elevation.
Oh
my
god,
I
see
a
few
new
shapes
and
a
few
additional
crazy,
wonderful
gestures,
throw
design
rules
away,
there's
a
greenhouse
there,
there's
a
tri
there's
a
pointed
conical
roof,
turret
shaped
and
then
you've
got
a
gable
and
so
on
and
so
on.
Next,
please.
M
M
We
have
put
together
a
design
package
and
we've
also
put
together
a
construction
set
of
drawings
separately.
I
have
uploaded
the
construction
set,
some
of
the
drawings,
I
will
show
you
in
a
moment
and
what
we
are
requesting
this
commission
to
do
is
to
approve
this
design,
which
is
for
the
addition
onto
the
building
on
the
exterior
of
a
temporary
construction
that
would
allow
for
a
full
handicap,
accessible
use
of
the
residence
that
will
be
removed
when
it's
no
longer
needed,
in
that
this
is
in
full
keeping.
M
The
addition
to
the
building
is
in
full
keeping
both
in
terms
of
placement,
and
let
me
point
out
you
look
in
the
left
hand.
Side
of
this
drawing
you
will
see
a
site
plan
and
an
aerial
photograph
photograph
is
below
the
site.
Plan
is
above
to
the
right.
Is
ridge
avenue
to
the
north
is
up
or
vertical
relative
to
the
site
plan
in
the
photograph
on
the
north
side?
You
see
the
road
or
driveway,
and
then
you
see
that
darkened
element,
which
is
where
the
construction
for
the
addition
is
proposed.
M
That
driveway
continues
on
and
what
you
see
is
a
rectangular
element
parallel
to
the
rear
property
line
and
that's
the
garage
as
it
exists.
Currently,
when
you
look
below
at
the
photograph,
you'll
see
a
roof
again
that
is
varied
and
designed
in
its
complexity.
M
C
Mr
coopers,
I
think
you've
been
speaking
for
about
a
half
hour
and
I
think
you've
really
adequately
presented
your
materials.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
say
and
wrap
up
and
then,
if
any
commissioners
have
have
questions
that
they
don't
understand
aspects
of
the
plans
they
can
ask
you,
let's.
M
Move
to
one
more
slide
and
now
give
you
a
simple
answer
to
your
request.
What
you're
looking
at
is
the
floor
plan.
This
is
the
technical
drawing
showing
the
the
lift
as
it
is
added
to
the
exterior
of
the
building
with
the
lafayette
ground
floor
there's
another
drawing
for
the
second
floor.
I
don't
need
to
show
that
I
just
wanted
to
finally
give
you
a
more
objective
view
of
what
this
looks
like
in
in
actuality.
J
I
have
a
question
and
this
slide
is
perfect:
the
room
that
is
just
east
of
the
elevator
shaft
itself,
with
the
door
that
leads
outside.
L
M
M
No,
the
lift
all
of
the
machinery
is
contained
within
the
shaft.
It's
at
the
head
of
the
shaft
or
top.
H
M
That
was
intended,
and
we
subsequent
to
this
drawing,
have
made
a
slight
modification
that
was
intended
to
have
snow
shovels
and
things
like
that
to
clear
the
path
we're
going
to
relocate
that
door
to
within
the
lobby,
and
the
idea
is
to
actually
park
another
wheelchair
in
there,
so
that
we
have
that.
If
someone
is
brought
in
by
car,
not
a
limousine
that
accommodates
a
wheelchair,
the
person
can
be
a
wheelchair
can
be
brought
from
within
this
piece
of
construction
out
to
the
car,
to
bring
mr
berman
into
the
house.
N
M
M
This
is
not
to
scale
relative
to
the
distances
that
have
to
be
traveled
consistent
with
a
construction,
drawing
it's
a
dimensional
thing,
but
to
get
from
the
lobby
up
to
the
first
floor,
where
this
occurs
is
approximately
five
feet.
You
go
up
at
half
a
level,
and
you
see
that
to
the
left
and
poorly
delineated
is
the
number
one.
That's
the
first
floor.
M
M
We're
going
to
stop
the
basically
we're
stopping
the
shaft
at
that
fascia
band
that
I
pointed
out
earlier,
which
is
beneath
the
eve
line.
Roughly
a
foot
and
a
half
below
the
eve
line
is
a
plaster
band.
M
N
So
the
reason
why
I'm
asking
is
the
the
top
of
the
existing
window
at
the
second
floor.
There
is
basically
going
to
be
your
entryway
from
the
shaft
into
that
into
that
room
and
from
your
section
here
that
we're
looking
at
I'm,
I
think
I'm
looking
at
about
18
inches
to
two
feet
of
material
that
are
going
to
go
above
that
top
of
the
second
floor
window.
Is
that
correct?
N
M
M
It
could
be,
we
can
go
back
to
that,
but
the
intent
is
exactly,
as
you
say,
we're
not
touching
the
head
of
the
window.
You
see
this
particular
photograph.
M
The
measured
distance
that
we
need
is
seven
foot
from
the
floor
up
to
the
wood
trim
and
behind
which
is
the
masonry
backup
and
covered
by
the
stone
veneer.
We
do
not
have
to
change
the
head.
N
My
my
concern
is
that
I
don't
know
that
we're
seeing
an
accurate
reflection
of
how
high
this
shaft
is
going
to
be
relative
to
the
cornice
and
the
eve
construction
and
your
in
your
3d
sketch.
It
kind
of
looks
like
it
ducks
underneath
all
of
that
material.
The
the
beginning
of
the
wood
and
plaster
bands,
and
I
think,
in
reality,
you're
going
to
be
up
invading
that
material
and
getting
very,
very
close
to
the
actual
underside
of
the
eve.
M
I
respect
that
comment
again.
If
you
would
oblige
me,
can
we
go
back
to
the
very
first
slide.
M
What
we're
looking
at-
and
this
is
the
point
you're
making-
which
is
a
good
one
if
you
see
the
just
above
the
shaft
as
I
have
drawn
it,
that
volume
you
see
this
plaster
band
that
I
am
talking
about,
as
this
was
originally
drawn,
the
cope
the
fascia
for
this
roof
to
terminate
the
shaft
followed
the
head
of
the
window,
which
is
below
this
band
just
above
it,
which
is
the
if
anything,
could
be
identified
as
a
dominant
design
element.
This
band
it
does
have
plays
that
important.
M
N
Is
the
window
on
the
north
side
of
the
house
where
the
where
the
shaft
is
going
at
the
same
height
as
the
window
on
the
west
side
that
I'm
looking
at
right
now.
M
G
Can
I
add
something
here,
john,
thank
you
for
pointing
out
that
the
drawings
don't
correspond
to
one
another,
but
I
think
that
the
there's
a
few
important
things
that
need
to
be
said
here.
Firstly,
that
the
bermans
should
be
allowed
to
add
a
an
elevator
because
of
the
need
for
one.
G
G
The
phil
has
made
the
argument
that
he's
made
two
arguments,
one
one
that
that
the
house
is
so
varied
in
its
elements
that
it
really
doesn't
matter
what
he
adds
on
to
the
side.
It'll
just
be
one
more
element,
although
he
does
point
out
that
the
porch
on
the
back
is
in
addition,
where
the
architect
seems
to
have
made
some
effort
to
make
it
have
a
relationship
to
the
house.
G
Lastly,
twice
phil
has
said
that
that
the
addition
is
temporary,
that
it
can
be
removed
when
no
longer
needed,
I'm
guessing.
The
addition
is
over
is
in
the
range
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
more,
and
my
question
would
be
who's
going
to
remove.
It.
G
Are
the
vermins
going
to
remove
it
when
they
leave
the
house
or
sell
the
house?
What
assurance
do
we
have
that
somebody
will
come
and
spend
the
money
to
actually
restore
the
house
and
remove
it
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
that's
part
of
the
scope,
scope
of
the
work
or
what
the
germans
have
are
pledging
to
do.
G
Having
said
that,
the
the
drawings
and
the
three-dimensional
renderings
do
not
seem
to
meet
any
of
the
criteria
that
we've
established
for
additions
and
how
they
might
relate
visually
to
landmark
houses.
M
The
thing
I
would
assume
would
be
done
is
that
a
condition
for
the
issuance
of
the
permit
would
be
addition,
an
element
that
is
a
rider
or
an
amendment
to
the
permit.
M
That
requires
the
construction
to
be
removed
and
when
it's
no
longer
needed,
and
let
it
be
determined
at
that
later
time
who
it
is,
I
assume
it
would
be
removed
by
the
bermans
and
maybe
that's
a
condition
of
the
rider
or
amendment
that
would
be
connected
with
the
issuance
of
this
permit.
C
I
I
don't
think
we
have
any
mechanism
to
condition
a
permit
on
future
removal.
I
mean
we
can
certainly
include
included
in
our
resolution.
I
don't
think
that
I
mean
I
don't
think
that's
going
to
be
legally
binding
or
that,
but
it
it's
probably
a
good
idea.
I
mean
stuart.
I
I
I
well,
I
agree
with
your
issues
and
I
am
kind
of
mystified
by
the
plans
as
well
of
you
know
the
difference
between
the
actual
conditions
and
the
as
depicted
in
this
picture.
In
the
plans
I
mean.
C
I
think
this
is
something
that's
a
necessary
functional
element
to
the
rear
of
the
house.
That
is
not
you
know.
I
mean
it
obviously
from
a
preservation
point
of
view,
it's
not
desirable,
but
it's
a
necessity
for
the
bermans,
and
I
think
I
would
support
it
on
that
basis.
C
D
I
drove
through
the
alley
earlier
today
just
to
see
what
was
visible
from
the
public
way
and
due
to
the
size
of
the
garage,
the
fence
and
the
trees
on
the
property.
It's
really
difficult
to
see
this
spot
even
from
the
alley.
O
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
all
the
details.
We
wanted
to
add
that
this
this
suggestion
to
do
this
was
with
great
sensitivity
to
the
interior
of
the
house.
F
This
elevator
was
an
answer
to
because
it's
really
facing
only
a
building
that
no
one
really
accepted
janitor
see
it,
which
is
the
synagogue,
that's
the
back
side
of
the
synagogue
you
know,
and
also
from
the
alley
it's
not
too
visible
and
was
going
to
be
finished
properly.
F
We
felt
that
and
at
great
cost
much
beyond
what
we
ever
expected,
but
we
never
expected
roger
to
fall
on
the
sidewalk
and
have
this
disability
situation
now.
So
this
was
for
us
a
way
of
not
defacing
any
of
the
interior,
keeping
the
exterior
as
much
as
possible
as
it
was
and
being
able
to
stay
in
the
house,
we
love
and
to
live
here
for
a
long
time.
F
We
don't
know
what
other
answers
there
are,
and
I
don't
know
what
kind
of
cost
somebody
else
would
spend
on
in
a
situation
that
we
are
we're
really
trying
to
go
all
the
way
and
and
and
and
we
would
like-
the
preservation
league
to
be
also
sensitive
to
our
needs
and
us
as
human
beings
and
has
been
estonian
for
43
years.
We,
our
families,
lived
in
evanston
before
roger
graduated,
from
northwestern
his
mother
graduated.
We
have
had
a
history
with
evanston
for
many
many
years
our
son
graduated
from
evanston
high
school.
F
Please
don't
push
us
to
sell
this
house
and
work
with
us
because
we
would
like
to
live.
We
would
like
to
go
back
home
to
the
house
and
live
there
at
great
expense.
We're
now
at
davidor,
which
is
a
rental
building.
We
cannot
enter
the
house,
I
mean
we
cannot
live
in
it.
We
can
enter
it
now,
but
we
cannot
live
in
it
because
roger
has
no
access
to
the
bedrooms.
F
On
the
second
floor,
I
would
like
the
preservation
link
to
consider
all
that
and
all
the
trouble
we've
been
going
through
since
july,
to
make
this
the
perfect
way
of
keeping
the
house
still
beautiful
and
living
in
that
house
for
many
years.
So
I
hope
that's
what
the
preservation
league
will
committee
will
do
roger.
Do
you
want
to
say
something
but
being.
P
P
G
G
G
We
as
commissioners
have
been
asked
to
judge
additions
and
model
modifications
to
historic
buildings
by
further.
I
would
like
to
say
to
phil
that
the
purpose
of
the
three-dimensional
renderings
that
we
have
are
now
have
for
several
years,
have
asked
architects
to
submit,
or
three-dimensional
representations
is
to
for
the
non-architect
members
of
the
board
to
help
them
understand
visually.
What,
in
addition
to
an
existing
structure,
is
going
to
look
like
and
that,
sadly,
the
drawings
that
you
submitted
as
volumetric
representations?
G
Well,
maybe
they
do
do
that.
I
was
going
to
say
they
don't,
but
unfortunately
they
I
think
they
do
so,
if
the
boy,
if,
if
everybody's
in
agreement,
that
they
that
the
the
need
to
handicap
excess
to
make
this
house
handicapped
accessible,
overrides
all
of
the
criteria
we've
been
asked
to
judge
by
then
I
would
suggest
that
somebody
make
a
motion
to
to
approve
this.
E
If,
if
I
can
say
one
thing,
commissioners,
I
don't
know
that
there's
precedent
for
the
preservation
commission
to
do
this,
but
the
zoning
board
of
appeals
will
occasionally
condition
approvals
based
on
something
being
removed
at
point
of
sale
and
that's
recorded
on
on
the
title
for
the
property.
So
that's
something
you
can
consider
and.
J
Excuse
me
I'd
like
to
just
make
a
comment
about
that.
I
don't
know
if
we
want
to
do
that,
because
for
some
families
that
might
be
a
feature
that
they're
searching
for
to
find
a
landmark
house
that
is
accessible.
J
That's
like
a
diamond
in
the
rough
for
some
families
that
are
searching
for
that.
So
I
wouldn't
want
to
make
that
a
requirement,
maybe
a
suggestion.
J
If
that's,
I
don't
even
know
a
suggestion
like
I
just
wouldn't
want
to
predicate
that-
and
you
know
make
that
more
difficult
for
for
a
future
thing,
and
I
I
definitely
applaud
the
vermins
for
searching
out
this
project
to
to
find
ways
to
stay
in
this
house
that
they
have
loved
for
so
long
and
taken
care
of
for
so
long,
and
so
I'm
excited
that
they
have
found
a
way
to
stay
put
and
to
continue
enjoying
this
house
and
loving
it.
J
I
am
a
little
concerned
about
the
drawings
and
you
know
we
didn't
really
hear
about
what
steps
and
I
couldn't
tell
from
the
drawings
what
are
the
design
elements
that
are
making
it
temporary
and
making
it
possible
to
remove
versus
a
more
permanent
structure.
You
know
how
is
it
being
tied
into
the
wall?
How
is
how
are
those
penetrations
being
made?
I
saw
the
footings,
but
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
that.
J
M
May
I
just
add
a
comment:
this
is
phil
cooper's
yeah.
The
idea
behind
the
construction
of
this
lift
shaft
is
that
it
is
completely
autonomous,
structurally
structurally
separated
from
the
residence
okay.
There
is
no
mechanical
ties.
M
The
only
thing
that
has
to
be
done
is
the
repair
of
the
window
openings
to
return
them
to
their
current
geometric
shapes
and
dimensions.
Sure.
C
All
right,
we
we
could
stay.
F
I
would
like
to
comment
on
that.
Please.
This
is
mrs
berman.
The
project
will
cost
in
excess
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That
is
not
as
light
we're
now
living
in
an
apartment
that
cost
us
about
60
000
a
year.
All
these
expenses
were
not
something
that
we
expected.
We
have
a
caregiver
to
and
for
roger.
So
you
want
to
say
hello
arthur
to
wave
that
they'll
know
that
you're
here,
yeah
yeah
arthur
these
are
all
expect
not
at
our
age.
F
F
People
consider
it
an
addition,
so
I
would
say
that
to
force
anybody
any
party
or
to
add
that
as
a
legal
entity,
a
legal
addition
would
be
very
much
of
a
hardship.
It
would
be
pressure
on
us.
That
is
at
this
point.
F
We
don't
want,
and-
and
as
you
said,
you
know,
there
is
the
human
aspect
here
and
we
are
trying
really
really
to
keep
this
whole
house,
this
wonderful
house,
by
jennings,
as
dignified
as
we
can
and
believe
us
that
if
we
need
to
have
to
spend,
as
we
did
in
the
past,
with
anything
that
has
to
do
with
doubt,
if
we
need
to
do
something
additional
to
make
it
look
just
perfect.
We
will
do
that
because
it
is
our
home.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
it's
time
to
move
on.
If
I
mean
if
we
wanted
to
put
something
in
the
resolution
I
mean,
I
think
tying
it
to
forcing
removal
of
sale
is,
is
too
hard
edged.
I
mean
we
could
simply
include
in
the
resolution
that
you
know
we're
proving
on
the
understanding
that,
when
it's
no
longer
needed,
it'll
be
removed,
which
would
then
leave
it
in
the
discretion
of
future
owners
where
they
need
it.
It's
not.
C
G
Mark,
I
I
think
the
dilemma
is
that
what
mrs
berman
said
dramatically
undercut
phil
cupritz's
argument.
You
know,
and
I
agree
that
handicap
accessible
houses
and
houses
with
elevators
are
going
to
be
in
ever
growing
demand
and
that
doing
this
will
add
value
to
the
house.
And
that
brings
us
in
my
mind
around
full
circle
to
ask
whether
or
not
we
should
require
that
it's
better
visually
integrated
into
the
house
as
an
addition,
rather
than
something
that
the
architect
has
described
as
a
removable
expenditure.
N
Stewart
to
that
end,
what
I
was
wondering,
as
you
were
speaking
that
was:
can
we
approve
this
conditionally
in
terms
of
the
location,
the
size,
the
shaft,
the
function
and
place
a
condition
on
it
that
they
work
with
the
administrative
staff
for
a
few
tweaks
on
the
aesthetics.
C
G
C
Yeah
I
mean
we,
we
did
approve
a
house
in
north
evanston
on
sheridan.
That
was,
you
know,
definitely
done
that
matter,
but
it's
still
it
it's
not
a
slight
change
that
could
be
done.
Administratively.
I
mean
it's
a
dramatic
change
in
design
and,
I
think
probably
an
expense
would.
G
I
don't
know,
but
you
know
I
mean
if
somebody
wants
to
make
out.
If
somebody
wants
to
recommend
it
or
make
a
motion
that
it
be
approved
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
then
they
should
go
ahead
and
we
can
all
decide
how
we
want
to
vote.
Q
Mark
I
just
have
one
question
real
quick:
is
there
any
way
and
kade?
Maybe
you
know
the
answer
to
this?
Can
we
maybe
make
a
recommendation
that
they
document
the
existing
facade
before
they
do
any
of
the
work
just
so
that
it
can
be
put
into
a
doc
a
file
somewhere
in
case
somebody
wants
to
come
back
and
restore
these
elements.
E
Yeah
you
can,
you
can
add
that
condition.
I
think
that's
been
done
in
the
past,
not.
C
N
N
One
more
suggestion
to
my
fellow
commissioners:
is
it
possible
that
we
can?
First
of
all,
I
want
to
say
for
the
record
that
I
don't.
I
don't
take
any
issue
with
the
location,
the
massing.
I
think
it's
very
sensitively
located
to
not
be
on
on
the
main
elevations
of
this
house.
N
Can
we
make
a
motion
to
approve
this
in
terms
of
its
footprint
and
location
conditionally
so
that
they
can
get
the
a
partial
permit
going
on
the
foundation
and
the
excavation
and
the
and
the
main
body
of
this,
and
and
ask
them
to
come
back
on
the
the
real
aesthetics
of
this?
What
could
become
a
permanent
structure.
E
Yeah,
I
think
you
could
you
could
have
them
come
back.
I
guess
to
we
could
review
in
more
detail.
Perhaps
the
you
know
the
the
fenestration
at
the
first
floor
and
maybe
the
the
cladding
that
they're
using
and
and
what
that
might
look
like
and
maybe
some
details
at
the
roof
line
that
could
better
mimic.
E
I
guess
you'd
have
to
you'd,
have
to
somewhat
you'd
have
to
issue
a
certificate
for
just
the
structural
components.
I
suppose,
and
then
you
would
have
to
have
them
come
back
and
issue
a
separate
certificate
for
for
the
exterior
elements.
Yeah.
I
don't
know
if
there's
precedent
for
that.
It's
it's
somewhat
convoluted
and
complicated,
but
I
think
it
could
probably
be.
O
Done
can
I
ask,
I
mean
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
confused.
You
know
when
I
think
of
the
secretary
of
interior
standards,
something
that
is
removable
and
is
in
a
location
as
this.
That's
not
you
know,
that's
very
tucked
away
and
not
visible
on
this
landmark.
O
I
don't,
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
it
being
a
simple
massing
structure
that
is
obviously
an
addition
or
or
a
you
know,
a
removable
addition
to
the
structure.
You
know
that
goes
along
with
with
the
standards.
It's
going
to
be
a
simple
mask
that
in
a
color
that
blends
with
the
house,
I
I
guess
I'm
confused
at
what
more
we
want
to
see
in
this.
O
You
know
what
kind
of
embellishments,
or
whatever
do
you
want
them
to
to
put
on
this
to
to
make
it.
You
know,
I
think
we
might,
at
this
point,
be
making
it
a
little
bit
more
complex
than
need.
Be
I
mean
I,
you
know
I
guess.
Maybe
we
could
have
an
administrative
like
conditioning
on
an
administrative
final
buying,
a
look
or
something
like
that.
You
know
on
the
on
those
features
of
it
with
that.
Would
that
be
okay
with
people.
C
Q
Q
R
Q
Okay,
so
for
1232
ridge
avenue
the
landmark
located
in
the
ridge,
historic
district,
it's
application,
21
prez,
zero,
one,
zero
zero.
I
move
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
for
the
alteration
of
the
existing
north
elevation
by
removing
two
windows
and
constructing
a
two
story:
elevator
addition
to
provide
accessible
access
with
that.
We
also
would
like
to
make
the
requirement
that
the
existing
facade
is
documented
before
any
commission
or
any
construction
takes
place.
Applicable
standards
include
alteration
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
four
seven
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
C
Okay,
thank
you
we'll
call
about
commissioner
reinhold.
C
S
S
So
what
we
are
asking
for
is
to
replace
the
existing
windows,
not
all
of
them,
but
many
of
them
with
wood,
clad,
fiberglass
or
fiberglass,
clad
wood
and
currently
there's
three
different
kinds
of
windows.
There
are
all
vinyl
which
are
on
the
first
floor,
sun
porch
and
the
third
floor
side:
elevations,
that's
the
rear,
porch,
that's
not
if
you
could
go
back.
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you,
yeah.
So
the
side
elevations,
where
the
I
think
it's
the
letter
c.
S
Those
are
no
I'm
sorry,
it's
the
upper
ones.
In
the
third
floor.
It
says
vinyl
clad
on
the
side
up
at
the
very
top.
Then
there
are
in
the
front
on
there
on
the
third
floor,
there's
vinyl,
clad
wood
and
then
on
the
first
and
second
floor,
the
double
hungs
are:
they
have
aluminum
triple
track
storming
screens
over
the
existing
wood
windows,
which
may
or
may
not
be
original.
S
The
wood
windows-
I
think
they
are,
though,
from
the
condition
that
they're
in
the
vinyl
windows
that
are
all
vinyl,
we
believe
were
put
in
around
2014.
Those
are
the
ones
in
the
sun
front,
sunroom
on
the
first
floor
and
then
on
the
third
floor.
S
We
don't
know
when
those
final
flood
windows
were
put
in
so
because
there
are
different
materials
used,
we'd
like
to
unify
the
house,
the
presentation
of
the
house
by
using
one
material
which
is
wood,
plastic,
fiberglass,
fiberglass,
clad
wood,
which
is
a
really
it's
a
good
pro.
It's
a
better
product
than
what
the
vinyl
that
has
already
been
used.
The
replacement
windows
were
made
of
vinyl
it's
better
suited
to
the
house.
It's
it's
more
durable,
it's
impervious
to
decay,
insects
and
corrosion.
S
Fiberglass
is
more
energy
efficient,
in
that
it
has
low
thermal
conductivity
and
with
increasing
climate
change
issues.
The
variation
in
temperature
that
we
get
here
in
evanston
is,
you
know
it
ranges
from
very
hot
to
very
cold
and
there's
no
shrinkage.
The
glass
stays
sealed
because
the
fiberglass
is
not
impacted
by
the
temperatures,
they're
longer-lasting
they're
supposed
to
last
50
years,
they're
paintable
and
they
don't
dent.
There's
we.
S
There
was
a
lot
of
hail
damage
last
year,
which
we
experienced
and
had
repairs
to
make,
and
we
don't
believe
that
that
we'll
have
to
do
any
work
with
the
yeah.
L
With
the
increasing,
with
the
increasing
what
appears
to
be
increasing
rate
of
hail,
that's
occurring,
at
least
in
my
in
my
observation
that
and
insurers
are
no
longer
covering
hail
damage
in
a
lot
of
cases,
so
the
fiberglass
holds
up
better
against
that.
L
So
the
ask
is
obviously
for
this
permit
and
these
unification
of
the
windows
in
this
format
per
the
application
was
what
we're
asking
the
board
to
review
and
approve
we're,
not
architects.
So
any
guidance
you
can
give
us
as
to
what
we
need
to
talk
to
you
about.
We
would
greatly
appreciate
it
and
I
guess
I
would
leave
it
at
where
amy
walked
us
through.
C
I
think
our
our
main
issues
generally
are
being
able
to
view
the
windows
I
mean.
Generally,
we
ask
when
we're
meeting
in
person,
we
ask
people
to
actually
bring
in
the
window.
C
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
know,
I
know
there
were
a
ton
of
just
drawings-
of
kind
of
specks
of
windows,
but
I
think
that
concern
the
larger
concern
would
be
just
what
the
the
window
product
is,
and
you
know
exactly
what
the
windows
will
look
like
this
marvin
product.
L
S
Yes,
but
I
wanted
to
say
so
we
the
product
we
would
like
to
use
is
marvin,
it's
the
elevate
line,
I'm
not
sure.
If
you
can
see
you.
H
G
One
more
try
is
it
worth
saying
that
many
of
us
are
familiar
with
marvin
windows
that
it's,
that
you've
made
a
good
choice,
that
it's
a
good,
not
inexpensive
product
and
that
the
the
clad
lines
that
they
make
are
are
durable
and
that
for
us,
I
think
the
issue
is
really
what
what
the
replacement
window
looks
like
in
relation
to
the
window,
that
it's
being
substituted
for
and
for
the
most
part,
the
marvin
profiles.
R
S
L
I
apologize
you.
S
Know
I
I
can
say
this,
but
the
windows
are
the
if
it's
a
double
casement
we're
replacing
it
with
a
double
creaseman
if
it
had
mullions
we're
replacing
it
with
with
the
exact
same
mullion
pattern.
If
it's
an
awning
window
we're
replacing
many
of
the
awning,
the
only
awning
windows
are
in
the
basement
and
then
there's
one
on
the
third
floor.
S
We
are
going
to
replace
the
and
they
have
a
two
or
a
three
over
two
pattern:
the
sashes
on
the
three
across
two
like
two
on
each
sash
for
the
basement
and
for
the
one
upstairs
and
then
so
we
are
going
to
put
some
casements
down
in
the
basement
for
egress,
in
which
case
it
will
look
exactly
the
same.
It
just
won't
it'll
just
open
differently,
because
the
way
the
awning
windows
are
right
now,
they're.
L
Yeah
these
lower
elevations
down
there-
sorry,
yes,
those
would
those
would
go
in
the
center
picture
there.
They
would
go
from
awning
to
sort
of
a
case,
yet
I
guess
exactly
to
a
case
in
style.
Otherwise
everything
is
matched.
The
other
big
difference
is
that,
as
these
are
proposed,
they're
in
black
and
so
there's
some
change
there,
although
actually
it
matches
the
the
existing
trim
and
the
storm
tracks
around
them
right
on
the
interior.
C
All
right
are
there
other
questions
from
the
commissioners.
Q
So
mark
I
don't
have
a
question,
but
I
know
windows
have
obviously
been
a
a
common
topic
that
we
see
with
applicants.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
kind
of
a
statement.
Since
these
are,
I
think,
some
of
the
first
fiberglass
clad
wood
windows,
we've
seen
the
the
property
is
a
contributing
structure,
but
it's
obviously
not
landmarked,
and
when
we
did
at
the
pre-review
we
noticed
kade.
Q
You'll
use
the
sdls
with
the
fiberglass,
so
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
effort
to
match
the
original
configurations,
but
also
that
there
are
a
lot
of
windows
on
this
home
that
are
not
original.
So
it
seems
appropriate
that
a
fiberglass
clad
would
work,
whereas
in
other
applications.
I
think
we
might
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
of
what's
used,
appreciate.
C
Yeah
I
mean
generally
in
the
past,
we've
required
wood
windows
to
be
replaced
by
wood
or
wood,
clad
windows,
and
that
seems
of
is
a
great
excuse
of
just
subliminal
applicability
in
this
case.
C
Any
other
discussion
by
the
commissioners
would
someone
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve.
C
Sarah,
I
see
you
at
the
top
of
the
screen.
Would
you
like
to
make
a
motion
to
approve.
R
All
right
so
mark
this
is
only
the
second
time.
I've
done
this.
So
just
let
me
know
I
would
like
to
what
say
it
that
there's
a
motion
to
I'm
sorry,
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion.
Thank
you
to
approve
the
project
at
1106,
judson
avenue,
lakeshore
historic
district,
21,
prez-0122,
amy,
demarte
owner
applies
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
a
plate
to
replace
existing
windows
of
various
materiality
and
vintages
on
all
elevations
with
fiberglass
windows.
C
R
P
C
And
I'm
an
I
thank
you.
C
It
so
you
know
we
had
basically
had
a
rule
change
a
few
months
ago
that
the
meeting
was
gonna
last
more
than
two
hours.
We
would
have
a
five
minute
break,
so
it's
8
49.
Why
would
we
come
back
and
restart
at
8
55.
L
C
C
C
All
right!
Well,
why
don't
we
get
going
so
our
last
manner
of
new
business
is
1217
michigan
avenue
in
the
lakeshore
historic
district,
and
I
saw
gary
schumacher's
name
up.
If
I
assume
gary
you're
presenting.
T
All
right,
thank
you.
My
name
is
gary
shoemaker,
I'm
the
architect
for
the
project
at
1217,
michigan
avenue.
Our
proposal
here
is
to
demolish
an
existing
two-car
garage
set
at
the
rear
of
the
property.
This
is
a
non-original
garage.
We
believe
it's
probably
the
second,
perhaps
the
third
garage
built
on
that
site.
It
was
part
originally
of
a
we
think,
probably
a
mid
to
late
80s,
kitchen,
remodeling
and
rear
facade.
Remodeling,
that's
not
currently
reflected
in
the
certificate.
The
statement
of
significance
for
this
particular
property.
T
Our
intention
here
is
to
to
take
a
number
of
details
in
this
shingle
style
house,
which,
in
its
statement
of
significance,
is
a
as
a
simple
but
grand
shingle
style
house.
There
are
a
number
of
whimsical
details
about
this
house
that
we'd
like
to
accentuate
and
expand
upon
the
first
of
which,
being
the
eyebrow
dormer
that
we
find
on
the
upper
section
of
that
roof.
T
The
clients
have
carefully
restored
this
dormer,
along
with
all
the
other
existing
wood
windows
throughout
the
house,
and
that
has
led
us
to
a
number
of
the
details
that
we're
going
to
talk
about
in
this
particular
garage
project.
Today,
what
we
have,
what
we
have
done
here
is
constructed
a
two-car
garage
just
beyond
the
rear
facade
in
the
rear
yard
of
the
house,
I'm
shortening
the
driveway
and
creating
a
quasi-port
cochair.
T
It's
connected
to
the
front
of
the
garage,
provides
some
cover
and
a
side
entrance
to
the
mud,
room
and
the
rear
porch
of
the
house.
If
you
look
in
the
statement
of
significance,
this
house
also
had
some
work
done
on
it
by
tallmadge
and
watson
that
that
involved
a
two-story
addition
off
the
back
to
be
clear.
Nothing
we're
doing
affects
the
tallmadge
and
watson
edition.
However,
it
does
provide
clearer
access
to
the
rear
entry
of
that
tallmadge
and
watson
edition
the
family
does
park
their
cars
in
the
side
yard.
T
I'm
sorry
on
the
side
in
the
side,
drive
and
use
the
garage
through
the
house
so
that
mud
room
entrance
is
critical
to
their
use
and
enjoyment
of
the
property.
T
We
have
also
made
an
effort
to
expand
the
rear
yard
currently
because
there
is
no
alley
access
to
the
rear
of
this
property,
pulling
this
garage
forward
to
the
degree
that
we
have
allows
us
to
expand.
The
green
space,
the
open
air
and
the
permeable
surface
in
the
on
this
property.
T
We
do
that
by
increasing
the
permeable
surface
by
about
three
and
a
half
percent
the
property
existing
is
an
exists
as
an
existing
non-conforming
lot.
It
is
over
on
its
on
its
building
and
impervious
surface.
We
improve
that
by
nearly
three
percent
toward
a
compliant
situation.
T
So,
as
you
see
here
in
the
in
the
site
plans,
the
covered
garage
extension
that
connects
to
the
open
patio
on
the
back
of
the
house
is
shown
clearly
at
the
top
and
on
the
bottom,
you
can
see
the
areas
of
concrete
drive,
apron
stone,
parking
pad
patio
and
garage
location
in
the
rear.
T
These
are
exam.
These
are
some
photographs
of
the
of
the
rest
of
the
house
that
encompass
the
balance
of
the
work
we're
doing.
This
is
a
shingle
style
house.
It
has
some
beautiful
details.
At
least
it
used
to
the
upper.
The
upper
gables
of
this
house
have
a
synthetic
shingle
on
it.
Those
are
replaced
at
some
point
by
a
previous
owner,
also
not
reflected
in
statements
of
significance
or
history.
T
Those
remain
in
fairly
serviceable
condition.
It's
not
our
intention
to
replace
them,
but
in
the
second
photograph
you
see
the
the
three
double
hung
replacement
windows
that
we
intend
to
remove
and
replace
with
pella
architect,
series
casement
windows,
which
are
landmark
series
windows.
I
think
stuart.
You
had
mentioned
that
earlier.
The
national
park
service
has
approved
a
line
of
le
of
pella
and
marvin
windows,
as
landmark
series
windows.
That's
what
we'll
be
using
those
styles
rails,
mutton
profiles
and
cuttings
all
match
the
existing
windows
throughout
the
house.
T
The
windows
we're
removing
do
not
and
therefore
are
not,
are
not
contributing
to
any
of
the
historic
fabric
of
this
house.
It
is
also
our
intention
in
that
photograph
to
remove
all
the
metal
panning
from
any
of
the
existing
windows
and
replace
it
with
newly
milled
moldings,
which
would
match
the
existing
house.
Some
some
were
original
and
some
were
taller
than
tallmadge
and
watson,
but,
generally
speaking,
all
the
wood.
T
All
the
wood
trim
on
the
exterior
of
the
house
is
similar
throughout
the
next
slide
on
the
upper
right
shows
the
vinyl
siding
that
covers
the
clobbered
siding
on
the
house,
we'll
be
removing
all
of
that,
including
all
the
edge
banding
and
corner
corner
trim
pieces
we'll
be
replacing
that
clapboard
siding
and
providing
new
cedar
painted
siding
throughout
on
those
aluminum
sided
areas.
T
The
bottom
the
bottom
left
image
you
see,
you
can
see
the
belly
in
the
in
the
vinyl
siding
all
that
comes
off
that
will
go
back
to
clapboard
siding.
There
is
shingle
on
the
dormer
you
see
in
that
bottom
left
image.
We
tend
to
retain
that.
We
believe
it
to
be
original,
we'll
patch
and
repair
it
as
we
need
to.
As
you
move
your
way
around
the
house
you'll
see
in
some
of
the
elevations
there
is.
There
are
areas
of
shingle
siding
that
are
not
original
and
they're
made
of
a
particle
board
synthetic
shingle.
T
We
found
that
to
be
mostly
rotten
and
unusable,
we'll
be
removing
that
and
replacing
it
with
shingle
to
match
what
you
see
on
that
front.
Dormer
on
the
bottom
corner,
the
middle
on
the
bottom
shows
you
the
trim
conditioner
on
the
house.
Those
are
windows
that
have
new
triple
track.
Storm
windows
that
have
been
custom
painted
to
match
the
exterior
trim,
color
and
the
windows
themselves
have
been
restored
beyond.
T
That's
not
part
of
this
project
that
was
done
previously
and
should
be
noted
that
this
homeowner
has
taken
great
care
to
restore
and
do
properly
all
the
work
that
we've
had
the
good
fortune
to
do
with
them.
Over
the
years
the
front
porch
railings,
we'll
be
restoring
those
as
well.
Most
of
the
porch
decking
will
be
replaced.
It's
failed
has
not
has
not
been
hasn't,
been
serviced
properly
and
hasn't
been
carried
for
us
will
be
rebuilding
and
restoring
the
porch
details.
T
We
will
replicate
what
is
up
there
as
we
take
it
apart,
we'll
uncover
it
and
put
it
back
together
as
it
should
be.
I
think
kade
made
a
note
in
his
staff
report.
Those
columns
are
not
original
and
they
do
not
match
the
original
columns
to
the
house.
There
is
one
engaged
column
to
the
north
of
the
existing
door.
That
is
original
looks
nothing
like
these.
These
are
probably
chatsworth
synthetic
columns
that
were
put
in
by
one
of
the
previous
owners
most
likely
during
a
1980s
kitchen
remodeling.
T
It
is
our
intention
to
retain
them
and
reuse
them
not
to
replace
them,
though,
in
the
middle
you
see
an
example
of
the
existing
basement
windows.
Sorry
go
back
there,
you
go
the
other
windows,
we're
placing
on
the
house.
Are
those
lower
level
basement
windows.
Those
are
all
in
fact,
wood,
pellet
windows
that
did
not
last
very
long,
so
we're
going
to
replace
them
with
architect,
series
pellet,
clad
windows
and
flash
them
properly
so
that
they
don't
fail
the
next
time,
but
fenestration
profiles,
fella,
hasn't
changed
that
so
there'll
be
identical
replacements
in
those
openings.
T
Now
you
can
go
to
the
next
slide
if
you
would
please.
Thank
you.
Kate
had
asked
us
to
provide
an
extra
photograph
of
that
garage.
These
are
details
of
that
garage.
You
can
see
that
there's
some.
You
know
some
wear
and
tear
some
damage
to
some
of
the
corner
structures.
This
is
effectively
a
danley
garage.
We
don't
know
that.
T
That's
who
built
it,
but
it
is
not
from
the
1920s,
which
is
the
last
recorded
garage
note
you
can
tell
from
the
slab
and
from
the
from
the
vinyl
siding
and
from
the
shape
of
that
garage.
That's
not
the
case.
So
if
there
was
any
question
there
is
no
intrinsic
historic
value
to
this
particular
garage.
It's
not
original,
nor
is
its
shape
or
architectural
detail,
have
any
real
relationship
to
the
existing
house.
So
if
I
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
thank
you.
T
This
is
an
enlarged
site
plan
of
the
garage
we're
proposing
from
the
from
the
front
views
that
we
showed
you
in
the
photographs.
There's
a
small
two-story
addition
off
of
the
rear
corner
of
the
house.
That's
that
that's
that
low
sloped
roof
and
the
rear
corner
that
we
connect
to
the
low
porch
below
where
the
skylights
are
is
part
of
a
kitchen
addition
that
we
believe
was
done
in
the
80s.
T
It's
not
part
of
the
talmud
watson
edition,
but
that
particular
edition
did
take
some
of
the
roof
shapes
from
the
front
of
the
house.
We
have
picked
up
on
that
roof
shape
and
continued
it
around
in
order
to
create
the
rear
yard
elevation
of
the
of
the
garage,
the
front
facade
of
the
garage.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide.
For
me
this.
This
is
the
front
elevation
as
we
just
talked
about,
so
that
gives
you
a
clearer,
clear
vision
of
those
existing
dormers.
T
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide
for
me,
please,
so
our
existing
garage
takes
the
slope
of
that
front
porch
and
the
transition
up
onto
the
side
walls
and
creates
that
surface
for
the
eyebrow
dormer,
which
is
in
keeping
with
that
large
high
gamber
asphalt
roof
in
the
front.
What
we
are
hoping
to
do
as
we
open
this
up
and
use
the
porch
air
is
to
mimic
the
open
porch
in
the
depth
of
the
front
of
this
house,
the
garage
and
the
and
the
porch.
T
This
is
a.
This
is
a
demolition
elevation
of
the
side.
You
see
that
we
are
removing
three
of
the
applied
chatsworth
columns
that
were
part
of
a
an
enclosure
of
that
side.
Porch
at
one
point,
previous
owners
had
done
that.
I
think
in
the
statement
of
significance.
It
implies
that
thomas
and
watson
might
have
had
that
as
an
open
porch.
T
It
is
currently
in
door
space
and
we
do
not
intend
to
return
it
to
an
open
porch,
but
the
porch
underneath
the
low
sloped
roof
in
the
rear
is
the
entrance
to
the
mudroom,
and
that,
in
fact,
is
what
we're
trying
to
create
a
new
entry
portico
to
achieve.
So,
if
you
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
here
you
see
the
extent
of
that
garage
in
that
sloped
roof.
T
You
see
that
we're
picking
up
on
the
same
slopes
in
the
same
proportions
from
the
front
of
the
house,
the
pork
cochair
setting
an
opening
which
creates
an
entrance
to
the
rear
yard
on
access
with
that
mud,
room
and
then
setting
the
face
of
the
garage
well
beyond
the
front
of
the
house.
T
The
other,
the
other
item
to
note-
and
you
can
see
it
reflected
here-
the
eyebrow
dormer
we've
created
is
a
large
barrel
vault
with
the
intent
of
putting
a
lantern
in
there,
so
that
we
can
create
a
dark
sky
lighting
condition
and
have
that
feel
much
more
like
an
entry
porch
rather
than
rather
than
a
garage
in
the
back
next
slide.
Please.
T
This
is
the
other
elevation.
As
I
mentioned,
the
we're
replacing
the
lower
windows,
we
have
a
number
of
areas
of
vinyl
siding
that
need
to
be
removed
in
the
rear
to
the
left
of
that
page.
Where
you
see
patch
and
repair
shingle
siding
to
match
existing,
we
have
found
that
material,
mostly
to
be
a
synthetic
siding
that
has
failed.
T
That's
most
likely
all
coming
off
to
be
replaced
to
match
the
shingle
siding
throughout
the
rest
of
the
house,
which
we
believe
to
be
original,
so
matching
the
thickness
the
exposure
and
the
shape
and
style.
Those
shingles
would
be
our
goal,
the
upper
section
where
it's
indicated
as
existing
siding,
where
the
arch
top
demi
loon
window
exists.
That
is,
that
synthetic,
that's
the
same
synthetic
shingle
that
we
see
on
the
south
side
of
the
building.
We
do
not
believe
that
to
be
original,
but
it
is
in
serviceable
condition.
T
It's
not
our
intention
to
change
it
right
now.
So,
if
I
could
have
the
next
slide,
please,
this
is
just
an
elevation
indicating
the
windows
that
we're
placing
along
the
bottom.
The
previous
was
the
demolitional
edition.
T
As
I
mentioned,
we've
taken
a
number
of
details
from
the
house
that
we've
we've
found
interesting
and
and
that
are
important
to
the
client,
the
notion
of
tapering,
the
columns
and
shaping
the
shingles
that
wrap
those
columns,
accentuating
the
stone,
columns
and
bases
that
exist
on
the
front.
T
Let's
call
it
inside
that
inside
that
pork
cochair,
so
that
we
can
then
break
down
that
screen
wall
and
have
the
open
front
facade
of
that
porkashare
be
the
primary
element
seen
from
the
street
and
dim
and
minimize
the
view
of
the
garage
in
the
distance.
T
T
The
next
slide,
please
rendering
showing
the
example
of
how
the
shingle
style,
the
shingles
and
the
textures
of
that
house
are
replicated
and
carried
through
you'll
notice
that,
on
the
top
edge,
the
leading
edge
of
the
of
the
roof
as
it
comes
up,
we've
created
a
copper
parapet.
T
T
The
other
reason
for
this
parapet
is
that
we
have
created
a
green
roof
on
top
of
this,
so
that
one
we
can
begin
to
absorb
a
little
bit
more
water,
provide
some
more
reflectivity.
Keep
this
garage
a
little
cooler
and
for
the
height
of
the
building
next
door,
provide
something
other
than
a
roof
for
them
to
look
down
on
into
this
backyard.
T
If
I
could
have
the
next
slide,
please
again
a
view
showing
the
openness
of
that
pork
cochere
and
how
it
would
have
both
visual
and
physical
access
to
that
rear
yard,
activating
the
access
to
that
mud
room
space
in
the
back,
and
you
can
see
that
that
two-story
space
with
the
flat
roof
adjacent
to
it,
while
that
part
of
that
may
have
been
part
of
the
tallmadge
and
watson
edition.
It's
every
indication
that
that
volume
was
not
part
of
thomas
watson's
original
edition.
It
was
part
of
a
subsequent
modification
of
the
house.
T
Look
at
the
next
slide,
please
here's
an
aerial
view
showing
the
proximity
of
the
of
the
garage
to
the
front
of
the
house,
as
as
I
mentioned
before,
our
goal
is
to
push
this
to
the
back
and
allow
it
to
be
to
read
as
a
per
share
and
a
side
entrance
to
the
house,
not
as
a
not
as
something
pushed
to
the
front
of
the
house.
You
can
also
see
the
extent
of
that
green
roof
above
go
to
the
next
slide.
We've
provided
the
window
specs,
but
I
think
stewart
mentioned
earlier.
T
T
They
have
determined
and
will
they'll
provide
a
document.
I've
already
forwarded
kate,
the
information
on
this.
That
is
not
a
healthy
tree.
It's
not
a
safe
tree.
It
is
clear
that
that
tree
has
been
struck
by
lightning
at
least
once
in
its
life.
There
is
a
20-foot
tall
infraction
down
one
of
the
stems
of
that
tree,
which
is
hollow
on
the
inside
meaning
it's
failed.
T
There
is
a
four
foot
scar
in
the
second
of
three
bifurcated
trunks
off
of
that
tree.
That
is
also
hollowed
and
hollowed
out
and
showing
signs
of
weakness,
and
a
number
of
the
a
number
of
the
main
limbs
on
that
tree
that
provide
the
majority
of
the
canopy
on
that
tree
are
all
coming
off
of
the
20-foot
scar
on
the
side
of
that
tree.
Nels
johnson's
arborist
has
indicated
that
in
his
opinion,
that
tree
should
be
removed.
It's
a
safety
hazard.
So
it
is
our
intention
to
remove
that
tree.
E
I
didn't
send
it
to
you
mark,
but
I
I
can
he
he
does
indicate
what
stewart
I
mean.
What's
what
gary
says?
It's
basically
a
safety
concern
and
he
recommends
removal
of
the
tree
with
relative
immediacy.
H
C
C
We'll
we'll
come
back
to
commissioner
discussion,
so
there
were
a
number
of
emails
received
from
members
of
the
public
which
have
been
distributed
to
the
commissioners
and
I
think
we've
all
read
carefully
and
read
the
concerns
expressed
kate.
Are
there
members
of
the
public
signed
up
to
speak.
C
Okay,
well,
we'll
still,
I
can
give
if
a
few
people
want
to
speak.
You
know
perhaps
limited
to
a
few
represented
people.
Then
again,
I
ask
that
nobody
speak
more
than
two
minutes,
so
we
can,
you
know,
try
to
let
others
speak
and
continue
with
the
program.
We
have
read
the
emails.
C
U
Live
at
1213
missionary,
michigan
avenue
apartment
one.
So
I'm
on
the
first
floor,
so
I
wouldn't
be
an
individual
looking
down
onto
a
green
roof
top.
U
I
would
actually
have
at
least
four
of
six
of
my
large
windows
obstructed
completely
without
having
light
or
the
breeze
that
I've
been
grown
accustomed
to
in
the
15
years
that
I've
lived
here,
yeah
it
I
I
don't
know
what
else
to
say
it
was
it
I'm
pretty
devastated,
and
this
completely
you
know
even
the
proposal
is,
I'm
is
offensive,
I'll,
be
honest,
but
yeah.
So
I
I.
U
I
hope
that
it
doesn't
happen
because
it
will.
It
will
greatly
affect
one,
probably
our
our
resale
value,
but
I
wasn't
intending
on
ever
leaving
this
place,
but
it
will
change
very
much.
The.
U
The
the
lights,
the
air,
the
energy
and-
and
it's
also
it
you
know
it's
it
it.
It
seems
more
like
a
compound,
and
it's
it's
just
a
very
unsettling
thing
to
imagine.
That's
all.
I
have
to
say:
okay.
K
Yes,
I
would
like
to
speak.
My
name
is
steve
steven
denenberg.
Can
you
hear
me
I'm
trying
to
get
the
video
going,
but.
K
Yeah,
I
I
sent
in
kind
of
a
fairly
lengthy
statement
about
this.
The
main
thing
I
I
have
to
say
is
that
I
I
think
that,
if
they're
looking
for
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
I
think
that
moving
the
garage
is
inappropriate
in
at
least
in
a
number
of
ways.
I
believe
a
garage
has
probably
existed
on
the
site
in
some
form,
a
garage
or
a
stable
or
a
coach
house,
for
the
entire
time
that
the
house
has
been
there.
The
building
next
to
it,
which
is
which
I
live
in
at
12.
K
13
was
built
seven
years
after,
and
it
appears
that
the
designer
integrated
the
placement
of
the
garage
by
putting
no
windows
in
our
building
facing
the
garage.
So
I
think
it's
just
inappropriate
to
move
it.
I
think
you
will
lose
that
sense
of
space
by
moving
the
garage
up
and
placing
it
further
up
towards
the
street.
You
lose
that
openness
that
usually
should
be
found
between
most
most
houses
and
most
residences
in
the
historic
district.
K
You
know
you
just
get
more
openness
and
you'll
be
enclosing
this
and
I
think
it'll
be
jarring
to
people
walking
by
to
see
it,
and-
and
I
do
agree
with
with
my
neighbor
paulie-
I
think
it's
just
disregard
of
the
neighbor
to
their
south
entirely
by
the
placement
of
the
garage,
but
I
just
think
it's
inappropriate
in
a
number
of
ways.
C
Thank
you
any
other
members
of
the
public.
U
You
know
I
might
just
chime
in
there's
actually
across
the
street
and
I
I
can't
speak
to
you
know
it
a
very
I.
I
don't
know
what
their
proposition
was
some
years
ago
to
have.
Maybe
their
garage
also
closer
to
their
house,
but
they
have
a
similar
setup
with
the
farm
house
kind
of
in
front
and
then
the
garage
in
the
back,
and
I
do
believe
you
know
that
that
was
you
know,
we're
preserving
some
of
what
was
constructed
100
some
years
ago.
C
C
B
C
Placement
it
it
actually
would
be
similar.
Are
there
other
people
haven't
spoken
yet
who'd
like
to
speak.
C
Kate,
I
know
what
you
know
that
the
setback
I
mean
the
application
says
that
no
zoning
there
is
needed
because
it's
within
the
setback-
and
so
I
think
it
would
just
help
everybody
to
if
you
could
bring
up
the
survey
showing
the
proposed
location.
The
improvements
relative
to
we
could
all
just
see
what
setback
might
be
there
and
what
the
proximity
is
to
the
next-door
building.
E
Yeah,
this
does
show
it,
so
it
meets
the
five
foot
setback
requirement
for
the
side
yard.
I
think
the
issue
which
makes
it
I
would
say
relatively
unique:
it's
not
it's
not
that
unique
in
the
historic
district,
but
the
building
to
the
south
is
built
on
the
lot
line
so
where
you
would,
in
theoretically,
under
the
zoning
code,
have
10
feet
of
separation
between
structures
you,
you
would
now
have
five.
G
Yeah
I'll
say
something
about
it.
You
know
I
mean
that
it's
unfortunate
to
lose
the
tree,
but
if
it's
in
bad
condition
it
should
come
down,
and
it
is
in
fact
the
people
who
own
the
property's
tree
and
their
purview
to
take
it
down.
Likewise,
the
the
new
frame
garage
is
set
within
the
zoning
setbacks.
G
The
zoning
issue
that
I
think
is
that
question
here
is
impervious
surface
and
I
think
that
by
moving
the
frame
garage
forward
and
building
it
over
what
is
already
counted
as
impervious
surface,
that
gary's
actually
done
something
that's
fairly
clever.
I
puzzled
over
the
green
roof
for
a
while,
and
I
don't
know
how
it
counts
or
doesn't
count
as
impervious
surface,
but
it's
I'm
sure
it's
the
way
that
they
got
to
asking
for
a
variation
of
only
three
percent
rather
than
greater.
G
Although
my
understanding
of
the
way
green
roofs
work
is
that
ultimately,
the
water
percolates
down
through
soil,
gravel
hits
a
drainage
plane
and
then
is
somehow
conducted
to
the
to
the
lawn
or
to
the
areas
around
it.
G
So,
having
said
that,
the
I
have
two
questions
that
deal
with
with
what
this
thing
looks
like
clearly,
the
flat
roof
makes
the
the
side
the
flat
side
or
against
the
building
kind
of
awkward
in
its
mass,
but
I
I
don't
have
a
great
problem
with
that.
I'm
wondering
why-
and
you
can
see
it
clearly
in
this
thing,
why
the
the
port
coach,
the
thing
that
gary's
been
referring
to
as
a
portfolio
or
the
the
covered
link
to
the
house
from
the
garage
is
so
deep.
G
I'm
looking
at
the
upper
plan
and
wondering
why
it
doesn't
align
with
the
dimension
of
the
area.
That's
called
covered
patio,
which
would
redu,
certainly
reduce
the
bulk
of
the
front.
I
think
that
the
eyebrow
window,
which
isn't
a
window,
it's
it's,
it's
open.
I
think
it's,
it's
a
very
clever
way
to
light.
How
dark
this
17
foot
deep
extension
would
be.
G
But
again,
I
would
argue
that
you
can
accomplish
the
same
thing
by
making
it
half
that
depth,
which
would
in
fact
be
much
closer
to
the
dimension
of
the
porch
on
the
front
of
the
house.
That
kerry
has
referred
it
to
and,
lastly,
while
again,
I
think
that
the
arch
or
eyebrow
shape
cut
out
is
a
clever
way
to
light
that
area
which
will,
because
of
its
depth,
be
dark.
G
I
think
that
it's
really
out
of
scale
with
the
features
on
the
front
of
the
house,
including
the
very
small
eyebrow
window,
that
its
shape
is,
is
referring
to.
E
I'll
just
make
one
comment:
the
green
roof
does
count
towards
impervious
surface
just
because
the
garage
counts
towards
building
lot
coverage,
which
then
translates
towards
impervious
surface.
So.
R
And
could
we
go
back
to
the
image
that
shows
the
garage
next
to
the
house
that
one
that
the
front
elevation
that
one
so
I
was
walking
around
here
today
and
I
was
looking
at
how
vertical
this
house
looks
it's
very
it's
much
more
vertical
in
person
when
you're
there,
it
rises
very
steeply,
and
so
many
of
the
details,
kind
of
accentuate
that
and
my
fear,
with
moving
the
garage
forward.
R
Is
that
we're
going
to
effectively
add,
say:
50,
more
horizontality
and
the
the
effect
of
wrapping
around
the
porch
even
actually
accentuates
that
it
really
makes
this
almost
feel
like
a
square
kind
of
massing,
and
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
in
keeping
with
what
this
house
is
trying
to
be
bringing
the.
R
C
All
right
gary,
do
you
want
to
say
any
last
response
as
to
placement
of
the
garage
before
we
move
on.
T
I
I
I
would
respectfully
disagree
with
you,
commissioner
dweller.
I
think,
as
you
stand
in
the
front
of
that
house,
that
house
is
extraordinarily
deep
and,
as
you
move
down
the
side
of
that
house,
there
are
lower
elements.
The
you
know,
our
the
horizontality
of
that
front.
Porch
is
something
that
was
important.
The
the
porch
doesn't
wrap
around
and
connect.
T
We
do
feel
that
pushing
that
garage
further
back
away
from
the
house
to
allow
light
to
sneak
in
between
and
backlight
that
porch
or
that,
as
I
call
it,
the
port
cochair,
the
covered
entries
section
will
help
to
alleviate
what
you're
considering
a
horizontality.
I
think
you
will
see
that
you'll
see
that
garage
door
backlit
with
daylight
from
the
back
of
that
and
and
it
will
not
feel
like
a
massive
horizontal
piece.
I
think
it
will
feel
like
a
delicate
section.
There.
C
N
I'll
do
it
with
respect
to
1217
michigan
avenue,
lakeshore
historic
district,
landmark
I'd
like
to
make
a
motion
to
issue
a
certificate
of
appropriateness
to
demolish
the
existing
detached
two-car
frame
garage
construct,
a
new
attached
garage
at
the
subject:
property
southeast
rear
volume,
replace
three
non-original
vinyl
windows
on
the
north
and
south
elevations
attic
and
basement
levels
replace
existing
vinyl,
siding
on
the
north
and
south
elevations
with
wood,
clabbered
siding,
replace
the
existing
window,
trim
to
match
original
conditions
and
construct
a
new
permeable,
concrete
driveway,
applicable
standards;
demolition,
one
through
five
alteration,
one
through
ten
construction,
one
through
eight
and
ten
through
fifteen.
C
Okay,
thank
you
all
right
are
we
all
called
out,
commissioner
reinhold,
nay,
commissioner
bowdan.
L
G
C
Commissioner,
dreller
nay,
commissioner
sullivan
and
I'm
an
I
all
right,
so
I
I
didn't
quite
count,
but
I
assume
it
didn't
pass.
E
C
T
I
would
like
a
reading
of
the
standards
that
are
not
met
so
that
we
can
respond
to
this
and
specific
standards.
Please
thank
you.
Q
I
would
say
that
standard
number,
one
for
alteration
for
every
reasonable
effort
shall
be
made
to
adapt
the
property
structure
site
or
object
in
a
manner
that
requires
minimal
alteration
of
the
property
structure,
site
or
object,
and
its
environment
would
be
the
one
I
would
say
would
not
be
met.
T
C
Yeah
you
know
gary,
I
I
don't
think
we're
required
to
give
you
a
reason
on
the
spot.
I
think
when
we
write
up
the
motion
we
have
to
document
it.
We
don't
have
the
standards
in
front
of
us
for
discussion
or
consideration,
but
I
think
you're
right.
We
have
to
include
that
in
the
report
chairman
simon,
that
that.
T
Would
be
unfair
to
the
applicant,
we
would,
as
commissioner
win
or
as
alderman
win
reiterated
to
this
commission
some
years
ago,
under
a
similar
situation,
a
full
denial
without
information
provided
to
the
applicant
to
be
able
to
come
back
and
rectify.
This
is
unfair
to
the
applicant.
Is
it
not.
C
Your
misunderstanding:
I
think
we
have
to
provide
you
a
written
report
which
includes
identification
of
standards,
not
met,
I'm
just
saying
we
don't
have
to
do
it
off
the
cuff
on
this
meeting
without
any,
you
know,
without
the
opportunity
to
review
this,
you
know
exactly
which
standards
aren't
that.
E
Q
I
mean
mark,
I
I
think
I
would
just
like
to
reiterate
the
comments
that
stuart
made
earlier
too,
that
I
do
believe
that
the
port
cochair
is
a
little
too
long.
It
moves
everything
forward.
It
creates
a
massing
that
that
doesn't
minimally
distur
or
alter
that
property
in
that
environment.
O
That
that
bothered
me
were
both
the
alteration
one
that's
already
been
referenced,
and
then
the
construction,
the
number
five
and
ten.
I
believe
it
is
the
rhythm
and
spacing
of
structures
on
streets
and
the
scale
of
the
structure
being
compatible
with
the
property
structure
sites.
O
I
believe
that
that
it
changes
there's
enough
of
a
change
because
of
the
size
and
scale
of
the
garage
and
movement
of
the
garage
that
I
believe
that
it
doesn't
meet
those
standards.
J
D
In
regards
to
construction
number,
five,
I
would
suggest
going
to
the
property
and
walking
by
because
this
street
is
a
hodgepodge
of
various
building
types
and
setbacks.
There's
a
house
right
across
the
street
that
has
an
integrated,
two-car
garage,
that's
flush
with
the
facade.
So
this
isn't
your
standard.
O
Yeah,
I
understand
that
I
was
I
was
there
today
also
and
spent
some
time
on
the
street
with
the
property.
C
C
L
E
The
the
ordinance
does
state
that
findings
of
fact
will
be
provided
to
the
applicant
within
five
business
days.
Okay,.
G
Mark,
I
would
concur
with
you.
I
I
think
that
the
applicant
could
certainly
come
back
again.
C
Okay,
well,
why
don't
we?
We
provide
the
findings
of
fact
cable
to
do
some
quick
work
to
circulate
a
report,
and
then
you
know
gary.
I
guess
I
would
encourage
you
rather
than
attacking
it,
to
try
to
come
back
next
month.
I
mean
it.
It
sounds
as
if
it's
you
know
it's
possible
you'll
be
able
to
get
approval
with
some.
C
C
E
I'm
sure
the
the
next
thing
we
should
do
is
just
approve
the
minutes
from.
I
believe
it
was
july.
13Th.
H
E
Okay
and
then
I
think
the
only
other.
Well,
I
guess
there
can
be
two
things,
but
the
next
thing
I'd
like
to
discuss
is
the.
E
If
there's
any
interest
in,
I
believe
it
can
be
up
to
four,
but
three
might
be
a
more
ideal
number
of
commissioners
to
form
a
subcommittee
to
work
on,
putting
together
a
work
plan
and
in
the
in
the
past,
I've
reviewed
some
of
the
work
plans
that
the
commission
has
put
together
and
they're
they've
basically
been
one
year
at
a
time,
and
I
think
it
may
be
beneficial
to
have
more
of
a
long
term
planning
process
where
we
at
least
look
maybe
five
years
in
advance
and
try
to
identify
some
clear
goals,
objectives
and
then
specific
initiatives
that
can
be
undertaken
and
try
to
give
a
timeline
to
those.
E
So
I'm
not
asking
necessarily
for
us
to
take
a
deep
dive
into
that
right
now,
but
I
was
wondering
if
there's
anyone
right
now,
who's
interested
in
that
and
if
not,
you
can
feel
free
to
email
me
at
any
time.
If
you're,
if
you're
interested.
R
E
C
I
think
the
emphasis
is
more
things
like
outreach,
sure,
yeah
community
relations
relations
with
city
council.
I
think
those
would
be
more
the
emphasis
rather
than
trying
to
expand
the
projects
we
review.
E
E
L
G
The
cases
that
we
reviewed
tonight
bring
bring
up
a
question
that
I
would
have
on
the
elevator
edition
to
the
landmark
house.
I
feel
in
no
way
deserved
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
although
I
think
perhaps
we
simply
need
an
alternate
which
is
a
certificate
of
approval.
G
As
I
tried
to
point
out,
I
think
that
the
owner
should
have
the
right
to
add
that
elevator,
the
presentation
was
the
worst.
I
think
I've
ever
seen
before
this
commission.
G
G
So
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
actually
have
issue
a
a
certificate
of
approval
and
versus
a
certificate
of
appropriateness,
because
that
thing
was
not
appropriate?
You
know,
I
thought
about
john's
suggestions
that
you
know.
Yes,
how
could
you?
How
could
you
make
better
integrated?
Well,
you
could
make
a
little
taller.
You
could
take
that
elaborate,
curving
outboard
cornice
and
wrap
it
around
the
volume,
which
is
what
the
person
who
did
the
porch
edition
did.
G
And
then
I
thought
to
myself:
that's
putting
lipstick
on
a
pig,
sorry
guys,
but
you
know
I
voted
for
it
because
I
couldn't
vote
against
it
in
all
good
conscience,
but
I
was
not,
in
my
opinion,
discharging
my
duty
as
a
commissioner
to
approve
or
disapprove
things
based
on
the
standards,
so
I
think
either.
We
need
to
agree
that
there
are
exceptions
or
we
need
just
another
term
for
something
we
can
issue
as
as
a
certificate
of
approval.
E
I
don't
have
any
specific,
I
guess
examples
to
point
to,
but
I
I
would
be
willing
to
do
the
work
and
look
at
some
commissions
and
some
ordinances
and
see
if
they
have
a
separate
set
of
standards,
perhaps
for
accessibility
or
mobility
that
can
be
reviewed.
E
E
These
issues
could
be
reviewed
under
a
separate
set
of
standards.
I
mean,
for
example,
the
location
was
certainly
appropriate
where
they
put
it,
and
that
might
be
one
of
those
standards
that
it's
that
it's
location
is
yeah
yeah.
G
We
we
did,
we
clearly
did
standards
a
couple
of
years
ago
for
solar
panels
and
the
issues
those
brought
up.
I
think
handicapped
accessibility
to
landmark
structures.
G
You
know
clearly,
wood
ramps
are
easy
to
take
away,
but
you
know:
we've
added
elevators
to
houses
not
outside
generally,
we
find
a
place
inside
but,
like
the
owner
said,
this
is
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
worth
of
work
that
they're
doing,
and
I
don't
think
we
have
the
right
to
say
no,
you
can't
do
it
because
you're
doing
it
to
a
landmark
house,
but
I
think
that
accessibility's,
their
accessibility
guidelines,
if
they're
met,
should
should
trigger
an
exception
to
the
you
know,
to
the
standards.
J
J
C
You
know
we
have
and
approved
quite
a
few
accessibility
projects
that
are
less
dramatic,
particularly
for
northwestern
that
you
know
has
to
comply
with
ada,
and
you
know
it
was
mostly
three
or
four
years
ago
when
northwestern
was
doing
a
great
deal
of
work,
but
they
had
several
projects
in
front
of
us
and
I
I
don't
think
we
want
to
accept
it.
C
I
mean
we,
you
know
those
projects,
there
was
some
mix
of
you
know,
design
elements
that
ameliorated
the
you
know
the
appearance
and
required
legal
compliance
and
functionality,
and
I
don't
think
you
can
abdicate
and
just
say
all
accessibility
projects
are
outside
the
ordinance.
It's
just
well,
you
know
it.
You
know,
I
think
it's
it's
real
life.
There
are
things
that
just
don't
fit
well
within
the
ordinance
and
no
amount
of
drafting
42
sections
is
going
to
make
them
fit
any
better.
G
Well,
then,
why
did
we
approve
this
thing?
I
mean
you
mentioned
northwestern
that
the
the
rebuilding
of
the
front
steps
and
the
handicapped
ramp
for
the
deering
library
is
as
good
as
it
could
be.
You
know
it's
beautifully
done.
The
the
the
terrace
and
the
handicap
accessibility
that
the
that
that
was
hbra,
that
the
handicapped,
accessibility,
that
the
wise's
whisper
provided
to,
and
I
don't
know
what
the
building
is,
but
you
see
it
when
you
come
around
the
curve
at
sheridan
road.
Just
before
the
stop
sign.
G
G
C
Yeah
I
mean
we,
we
have
to
make
those
decisions
about
what
we're
willing
to
make
people
to
spend,
and
but
you
know
I
don't
think
I
mean
I
don't
think
we
want
accessibility
simply
to
be
exempt
from
our
ordinance.
It's
just
a
reality
of
financial
issues
and
people,
issues
that
in
every
project
and
the
you
know,
this
one
is
particularly
jarring.
G
C
The
legal
structure
for
the
certificates
is
all
written
up
in
the
ordinance
which
we
worked
on
and
rewrote
a
few
years
ago.
That's
pretty
closely
modeled
on
other
ordinances,
and
obviously
you
know
it.
You
know.
If
you
want
to
look
at
you
know,
kade
was
talking
about
looking
at
other
ordinances
for
ideas
of
other
structures.
C
I
I
think
it.
It
may
not
be
the
time
to
redo
our
preservation
ordinance,
given
a
lot
of
the
political.
You
know
issues
right
now,
but
you
know.
Obviously
we
can
always
consider
if
there's
some
other
way
of
doing
it,
but
I
you're
not
gonna
have
a
separate
section
of
the
ordinance
to
deal
with
every
real
world
problem.
That's
going
to
come
up
and
they
come
up
frequently
and
some
of
them
just
don't
fit
very
well.
N
N
E
N
One
of
the
things
that
I
got
tripped
up
on
during
our
discussion
was
when
it
moved
towards
whether
it's
permanent
or
readily
removable,
and
when,
when
we
started
talking
about
it's
nice
amenity
to
have
for
future
folks-
and
maybe
this
will
become
permanent
and
stewart
made
some
some
good
points
on
that,
and
suddenly
it's
like
well
wait
a
minute
I
I
was.
I
was
happy
with
it
as
a
as
a
temporary
structure,
not
so
happy
with
it
as
a
permanent
one.
E
H
J
Think
whether
it's
you
know
temporary
or
permanent,
I
think
any
addition
like
that
it
has
to
be
removable.
I
mean
you
know.
I
want,
however
long
it
stays.
I
just
didn't
want
the
new
owner
20
whenever
it
happens,
to
have
to
to
see
some
legal
language
that
bound
them
to
do
something
that
maybe
they
were
drawn
to
and
wanted
to
keep
that
that's
my
that
was
my.
J
G
H
C
E
Yeah,
I
think
what
I
actually
thought
there
was
pretty
robust
discussion,
particularly
towards
the
end
of
the
conversation
that
should
give
a
lot
of
direction
towards
that.
So
why
don't
I
take
a
stab
at
writing
it
and
then
I'll
circulate
it,
and
if
anyone
has
additions
or
revisions
and
then
I'll
I'll
send
it
off
sounds
good.
Thank.
C
J
E
I
don't
see
anything
in
the
ordinance
that
says
specifically
that
you
have
to
say
on
the
spot.
Like
mark
said
what
standards
you
don't
feel
are
met.
I
think
when
we
continue
an
item
will
often
give
specific
standards
for
the
same
reason
that
he
was
asking
for
it.
I
think,
but
I
think
the
ordinance
is
pretty
clear
that
you
don't
have
to
do
anything.
R
E
J
A
C
No,
we
in
our
written
reports-
we,
you
know
always
have
more
time
to
consider
and
to
try
to
organize
our
thinking
and
make
it
more
formal.
I
mean
it
would
be
unfair.
I
mean
I
know
I
couldn't
do
it
just
on
the
spot
start
spouting
out
standards.
I
think
it'd
be
unfair
to
all
of
us
stuff
to
do
that.
N
E
It's
typically
more
of
a
consensus,
I
mean
so
if
you
know,
if
all
of
you
or
I
guess
you
know,
there's
five
of
you,
I
guess
if
five
of
you
say
that
you
know,
standard
xyz
wasn't
met,
and
then
three
of
you
say
that
another
one
wasn't
met.
I
mean
we'll
just
include
all
of
those.
G
E
Yeah,
if
you
feel
that
you
didn't
clarify
your
points
well
enough
during
the
meeting,
then
you
can
send
me
an
email
that
expands
on
on
anything
you'd
like
to
expand
upon
specific
standards,
why
they
weren't
met
and
how
you
think
they
could
be
met.
That
would
be
typical,
I
think,
there's
actually
a
it's
a
little
harder
virtually,
but
we
used
to
have
actual
physical
forms
and
sheets
that
that
you
could
fill
out
on
the
spot.
E
G
E
For
the
most
part,
I
don't
know
a
great
way
to
do
that
virtually,
but
I
think
when
we
meet
in
person,
that's
something
we
should
definitely
get
back
to,
but
to
yeah
and
to
commissioner
dreweller's
point
I
mean
yes,
the
best
practice
is.
E
If
you
vote
no,
I
vote
no,
because
I
don't
feel
like
this
standard
is
met,
but
then
you
know
like
mark
said
I
don't
you.
Don't
necessarily
have
to
do
that,
even
though
it's
the
best
practice
because
it
may
be
unrealistic
to
you
know
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it
meets
the
standards
for
these
various
reasons.
But
you
know
I
don't
I'm
not
going
to
review
all
37
standards
and
pinpoint
the
exact
ones
right
now,
especially
when
there's
other
business
to
conduct.
R
I
think
his
he,
I
understood
his
comment
to
be
that
he
expected
us
to
be
talking
about
standards
and
we
were
just
saying
we
just
took
a
vote
and
said
no
that
we
didn't.
Actually
I
mean
and
I'll
include
myself.
I
have
made
a
comment
without
referencing
the
standard
that
I
was
thinking
of,
which
was
the
which
was
number
one,
the
one
that
susie
read
out.
I
had
it
in
my
mind
and
I
didn't
reference
it.
So
maybe
we
just
are
a
little
bit
more
careful
referencing.
O
O
G
O
No,
so
you
know-
and
so
I
agree
that,
ideally
you
know
it's
not
always
possible,
but
ideally,
if
you
know,
if
you're
thinking
of
a
couple
standards-
or
I
often
will
try
like
if
there's
something
egregious
you
know
prior
to
coming
to
the
meeting
or
whatever-
and
I
think
it's
very
helpful
kade
that
you
put
you
know
list
out
the
standards
with
each
project
in
our
summary
or
whatever,
because
I
will
often
try
to
think
okay,
I
don't
like
this,
and
this
is
why
you
know
I
just
kind
of
do
a
quick
highlight
of
the
standard
that
I
want
to
discuss.
O
Or
you
know
the
concept
that
I
want
to
discuss
with
the
standard
in
mind
prior
to
coming
to
the
meeting.
G
E
Well,
so
in
the
in
the
distant
past,
my
understanding
is
that
the
way
we
operated
is
we
read
every
single
standard
and
you
had
to.
If
you
didn't
say
anything
you
were
saying
it
was
met
and
if
you
objected
to
it,
then
you
would
object
to
it.
So
the
problem
with
that
and
I
mean
that's
best
practice
for
all
the
boards
and
committees,
but
with
that
it's
four
hours
or
six.
E
Know
the
zoning
board
operates
that
way,
but
they
have
eight
standards
versus
you
know
50.
So
you
know
sometimes
so
it's
easier
said
than
done
and
I
think
to
be
expeditious
and
and
move
from
case
to
case.
We
got
away
from
that,
but
in
instances
of
denial-
and
it's
probably
maybe
a
good
idea,
then
to
say:
okay,
it
was
you
know
it's
a
five
to
three.
Let's
go
through
read
the
standards.
C
Yeah
you
know
before
the
pandemic,
carlos
would
always
pass
out.
You
know,
you
know,
suzanne
battle,
remember
actually
colored
yeah
needs
for
each
of
the
standards.
C
I
mean
you,
you
got
them
in
each
staff
memo,
but
I
do
think
we
should.
I
mean
I
know
just
with
the
ritual
meetings
it's
hard
to
have
too
many
things
on
two
different
too
many
screens
it
it.
We
really
probably
should
return
to
the
having
all
them
physically
in
front
of
us,
so
we
can
be
looking
and
more
mindful
as
we're
doing
it
and
try
to
adhere
to
the
standards
stewart.
I
I
don't
think
making
a
qualifying
statement
to
kind
of
limit.
Your
vote
is
a
good
idea.
C
H
G
When
I'm
on,
if
I
have
a
say
on
the
committee
for
what
things
we
want
to
do
in
the
future,
you
know,
I
think,
maybe
the
ability,
if
one
wanted
to
to
qualify
a
vote,
might
be
useful.
It
would
communicate
something
certainly
to
the
applicant.
N
I
still
felt
that
it
rose
to
the
to
the
level
of
the
standards
for
me,
but
in
this
follow-up
report
I
don't
want
to
be
the
one
who's
saying
it
meets
all
these
when
there
are.
There
are
areas
of
improvement.
I
could.
I
would
like
to
chime
in
on
so
I
I
get
the
the
legal
aspect
of
we're,
we're
supposed
to
say
yay
or
nay,
and
it
is
hard
and-
and
I'm
biting
my
tongue
in
a
lot
of
scenarios,
to
not
throw
out
some
more
suggestions
for
sure.
N
But
I
I
get
where
stewart's
coming
from.
J
N
G
Q
Kate,
I
have
a
quick
question
in
the
past.
We
would
have
probably
continued
that
and
asked
them
to
do
some
revisions.
I
know
that
we've
been
trying
to
steer
away
from
doing
that,
but
I
have
a
feeling
that
gary
probably
would
have
appreciated.
If
that
was
an
option.
Is
that
something
we
still
want
to
steer
away
from.
E
I
think
in
this
instance
you
could
have
continued
it.
You
know
it's
my
understanding
that
you
can
always
make
a
motion
to
reconsider
too,
so
you
could
have
denied
it
and
then
reconsidered
it.
So.
E
R
Q
H
Q
Probably
could
have
done
and
that
I
maybe
should
have
done
is
I
should
have.
We
should
have
maybe
asked
him,
I
mean
stuart.
I
think
you
kind
of
hit
the
key
points
that
I
had
concerns
with,
but
maybe
we
should
have
been
clear
and
asked
him
if
he'd
be
willing
to
revise
it
as
opposed
to
and
then,
if
he
wants
us
to
go
for
a
vote,
then
we
go
for
a
vote.
We've
done
that
in
the
past,
but
I
think
we've
been
trying
to
steer
away
from
continuing
applications.
D
E
C
No
will
somebody
like
to
make
a
motion
to
adjourn.