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A
Cord
right
now
and
I
will
share
my
screen
there.
We
go
okay
good
evening,
everybody.
Thank
you
for
joining
me
tonight.
My
name
is
Jonathan
newsma
I'm,
the
council
member
from
the
fourth
ward
here
in
Evanston
and
I,
am
the
chair
of
the
redistricting
committee.
So
it's
my
my
pleasure
and
my
honor
to
kick
off
the
redistricting
process
with
this
town
hall.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
tonight.
A
Give
me
one
second,
because
I'm
managing
the
it
here
there
we
go
good
all
right,
so
our
agenda
for
the
evening
I
will
run
you
through
a
presentation
that
you
know
shows
you
what
we've
been
thinking
so
far
and
it
outlines
the
process.
We're
looking
at
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
do
some
questions
and
answers
at
the
end
of
the
at
the
end
of
the
presentation.
We're
going
to
do
a
couple
of
you
know
quick
online,
real-time
polls,
as
we
run
through
the
the
program.
It's
an
experiment.
A
A
A
We'll
give
this
a
few
seconds.
Can
somebody
give
me
a
verbal
acknowledgment
that
they
see
this
I
see
Betty
waving
a
hand?
I
only
see
a
few
folks
on
the
screen,
Betty
and
Mary
Beth,
so
good
the
poll
is
live
I'm
not
seeing
any
results.
Come
in.
Luke
am
I
supposed
to
see
those
results.
B
Probably
not
until
they
complete
the
the
questions.
I
also
was
going
to
ask
just
make
sure
you
double
check
the
waiting
room
in
case.
Anyone
is
in
the
waiting.
C
A
Okay
well,
like
I
said
this
was
an
experiment
and
we
will
see
I'm
going
to
click
end
poll
right
now,
we'll
just
see
what
happens
we'll
go
with
that
and
I'm
going
to
say,
share
results
and
nothing's
coming
up
there.
So
all
right
lessons
in
the
process
of
being
learned
here,
sorry
go
ahead.
Luke
I'm.
A
Awesome
welcome
everybody
and
Luke.
Do
I
need
to
keep
tracking
the
the
waiting
room
here.
A
Okay,
stand
by
I'm
gonna
have
to
do
do,
find
you
and
Luke's
doe
make
co-host
there.
We
go
okay,
Luke!
You
are
now
co-host,
so
all
right
failed
attempts
to
do
a
quick
online
poll
and
see
who's
here
from
what
Ward,
but
hopefully,
we've
got
all
nine
Awards
represented,
so
we
will
charge
ahead
and,
like
I
said,
our
purpose
here
is
to
just
launch
the
process.
Go
through
some
initial
q.
A
A
get
some
preliminary
feedback
and
I
want
to
make
clear
that
this
is
not
going
to
be
the
only
opportunity
for
input
in
this
process.
We're
going
to
take
this
process
and
do
some
you
know
very
deliberate
and
intentional
public
engagement
we'll
get
to
those
details
a
little
bit
later.
So
this
is
just
just
a
kickoff.
Not
the
only
opportunity
to
weigh
in
I
want
to
thank
my
colleagues
on
the
redistricting
committee
in
numerical
order.
This
is
councilmember
Nguyen,
council,
member
Burns
and
council
member
Reed.
A
The
four
of
us
were
appointed
by
the
rules
committee
or
essentially
the
city
council,
to
this
special
redistricting
committee.
That
committee
was
created
in
December
of
last
year
and
we're
supported
by
the
city
of
evanston's
legal
department,
so
I'm
going
to
get
right
into
it
now
and
and
talk
about
why
we
are
redistricting.
Why
are
we
even
talking
about
this?
There
are
federal
guidelines
that
come
into
place.
There
are
State
guidelines
and
some
local
guidelines,
and
really
the
the
governing
law
of
the
land
is
the
most
important
here.
A
The
Constitution
of
the
United
States
and
most
especially,
the
equal
protection
Clause
of
the
14th
Amendment,
and
this
is
a
whole
semester's
worth
of
of
discussion,
or
maybe
even
a
graduate
degree's
worth
of
discussion
here,
I'm
not
qualified
to
teach
that
class.
So
we're
going
to
keep
it
really
short
and
to
the
point
here
and
just
point
out
that
the
equal
protection
Clause
is
that
part
of
the
Constitution
which
guarantees
us.
A
Section
two
of
the
Voting
Rights
Act
prohibits
denial
or
abridgement
of
the
right
to
vote
based
on
race
based
on
color,
based
on
you
know,
minority
language
status,
that
kind
of
thing
and,
as
with
any
kind
of
federal
policy,
this
has
been
informed
by
case
law
throughout
the
years
and
in
the
case
law
has
answered,
at
least
for
the
you
know,
Federal
congressional
districts,
the
question
of
how
equal
is
equal.
Now,
theoretically,
if
you're,
balancing,
Wards
or
districts,
they
should
all
be.
A
You
know
identically
equal
in
population,
obviously
in
Practical
reality,
that's
not
possible.
So
case
laws
said
that
anything
within
a
10
total
deviation
can
be
regarded
as
as
equal
enough.
10
deviation
means,
if
you
take
the
the
biggest
Ward
and
the
smallest
award.
If
the
biggest
award,
for
example,
is
five
percent
above
average
and
the
smallest
award
say
is
four
percent
below
average.
Five
plus
four
is
nine,
that's
nine
percent,
total
deviation
or
population
deviation.
A
Nine
is
less
than
ten
percent,
so
we
passed
that
Federal
test.
Anything
between
10
and
16.4
percent
is
okay.
Perhaps
if
it
can
be
justified
based
on
some
other
considerations,
anything
above
16.4
percent
is
regarded
as
unconstitutional.
This
is
at
least
for
Federal
congressional
districts,
so
a
little
bit
closer
to
home
state
law.
It
really
is
what
governs
us
here
in
the
City
of
Evanston.
State
law
includes
the
Illinois
municipal
code,
which
addresses
when
and
how
we
redistrict
yeah.
The
question
is:
are
we
required
to
redistrict?
A
According
to
state
law,
we
are
only
required
to
redistrict
if
our
population
Falls
below
70
000
or
grows
above
90
000.
and
we're
still
in
that
band
right
now
so,
but
can
we
redistrict
if
we
want
to
anyway?
A
A
Is
to
say
on
the
topic,
so
what
about
our
local
law?
Having
some
city
code,
yeah
Evanston
city
code
specifies
nine
Wards,
at
least
it
does
now
it
didn't
always,
but
it
doesn't
offer
any
additional
explicit
guidance
into
how
to
redistrict
or
what
factors
to
take
into
account.
A
In
past
practice,
we
have
taken
additional
criteria
into
account,
so
as
an
example
of
our
most
recent
past
practice,
which
goes
back
to
2003
our
the
ordinance
which
which
formalized
the
new
districts
at
that
time,
explicitly
enumerated
these
criteria
that
were
considered
20
years
ago,
the
federal
and
state
criteria
that
we've
just
run
through
and
then
these
additional
local
criteria,
Geographic
boundaries.
Of
course
that
makes
that
that
makes
that
makes
Common,
Sense,
natural
and
man-made
and
woman
made
I
might
add
we're
allowed
to
consider
those.
A
We
also
want
to
at
least
in
2003.
It
was
important
to
minimize
voter
confusion
and
also
in
2003
communities
of
Interest
were
taken
into
account
when
drawing
the
ward
Maps
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
communities
here,
not
to
mean
neighborhoods
per
se,
but
kind
of
interest
group
type
communities,
so
residential
property
owners,
Municipal
taxpayers,
Etc.
A
What
you
see
listed
here
are
the
were
the
communities
of
Interest
explicitly
listed
in
the
2003
ordinance,
we're
not
limited
to
following
exactly
what
they
did
20
years
ago,
but
this
is
a
starting
point
for
a
discussion
anyway.
Also
in
2003,
traditional
Evanston
neighborhoods
were
taken
into
account,
as
was
protection
of
incumbency.
I
was
a
little
bit
surprised
to
see
that
explicitly
stated,
but
it
was
there
in
the
2003
ordinance
so
moving
forward.
One
of
the
things
that
the
committee
is
going
to
be
asking
for
input
on
is
what
should
these
additional
criteria
be?
A
This
is
a
good
starting
point.
If
we're
fine
with
this
great
we
can
move
on.
If
we
want
to
add
or
subtract,
we
have
the
opportunity
to
do
that
as
we
go
along
so
quickly
recapping.
Should
we
redistrict,
according
to
state
law,
we
don't
have
to
our
population,
remains
within
that
that
boundary
of
70
to
90
000
same
place.
We've
been,
you
know
for
the
last
50
years,
population
isn't
quite
back
up
to
where
it
was
in
1970,
but
state
law
does
not
compel
us
to
register.
A
If
we
look
at
the
Voting
Rights
Act
though-
and
this
is
what
gets
into
the
war
demographics
yeah
this
at
this
point,
the
the
discussion
gets
a
little
bit
more
interesting.
What
we're
looking
at
here
is
a
chart
that
compares
Ward
populations
and
demographics
from
the
2010
census
to
the
most
recent
census,
the
2020
census,
and
what
we
see
here
is
that
we
still
have
three
Wards,
which
are
majority
non-white.
The
second
Fifth
and
eighth
words.
A
The
exact
proportions
have
shifted
a
little
bit,
which
is
to
be
expected
over
time,
but
the
general
Trend
remains
the
true
today,
as
it
was
10
years
ago.
That
second,
Fifth
and
eighth,
are
our
majority
non-white
interesting
to
note
here
that
every
ward
has
increased
in
population
except
for
the
first
war,
which
shrunk
a
little
bit
and
it
doesn't
jump
out
at
you
by.
You
can't
add
up
all
these
numbers
in
in
your
head
quickly,
but
our
overall
population
has
increased
4.9
percent
in
the
last
10
years.
A
The
black
population,
however,
has
shrunk
by
almost
seven
percent.
The
white
population
has
also
shrunk
by
about
5.6
percent,
notably
the
Asian
population
has
increased
21
percent.
Somebody
might
be
looking
at
this
map
and
thinking
there
is.
There
is
a
demographic
group,
that's
missing,
and
so
I
want
to
shift
to
this
next
slide,
which
looks
at
Hispanic
in
in
the
latinx
population
which
the
census,
you
know,
counts,
Sim
that
counts
differently.
Since
we
can
have
White
Hispanics,
we
can
have
black
Hispanics,
we
can
have
Native
American
Hispanics.
A
A
A
So
I
am
showing
you
these
screens,
which
I.
A
Which
I'm
sorry,
if
anyone,
if
everyone
could
mute
themselves
here,
we'd
appreciate
that
I'm
sharing
this
this
map
with
you
I'm,
not
sure
how
easy
it
is
to
digest
and
then
I'm
not
sure
what
the
resolution
is
going
to
be
on
your
screen.
But
what
we're
attempting
to
do
here
is
show
graphically
how
the
demographics
of
abenson
have
shifted
from
2010
to
2020.,
and
we
can
see
that
that
the
second
Fifth
and
eighth
Wards
remain
the
most
of
the
most
diverse
Wars.
A
So
let's
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
move
forward,
but
I
think.
Maybe
the
most
compelling
argument
in
favor
of
redistricting
is
the
equal
representation
requirement
and
going
back
to
that
Federal
guidance
that
says
that
ideally
10
percent
or
less
total
population
deviation
is
is
acceptable
and
anything
above
16.4
percent
is
not
acceptable.
A
What
we're
looking
at
here
in
Evanston
is,
is
our
Ward
populations
have
grown
out
of
whack
over
the
years
and
our
total
population
deviation
right
now
is
20.4
percent.
The
Third
Ward
is
the
the
largest
Ward
about
11.7
above
average,
and
it's
the
ninth
ward.
That's
the
smallest
Ward.
At
this
point.
Eight
point:
seven
percent
above
average,
so
this
the
population
having
grown
out
of
whack
like
that
you
know,
does
really
seem
to
indicate
that
we
should
redistrict.
A
The
simple
question:
do
you
think
we
should
redistrict,
yes
or
no,
so
I
can't
see
everybody
on
the
screen
right
now,
but
either
throw
up
a
hand
or
a
thumbs
up
or
maybe
give
some
kind
of
indication
whether
you
or
not,
you
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
redistrict
I,
see
of
the
thumbs
I
see
it's
unanimous
put
it
that
way,
not
a
surprising
conclusion
before
I'm
going
to
leave
you
with
a
cliffhanger
and
and
before
I,
get
to
the
discussions
of
the
redistricting
committee
on
that
very
question.
E
Interesting
to
look
back
question
really
quick,
so
I
had
to
look
back
before
we
moved
forward
in
1924.
Yes,.
A
I'm
sorry
I
apologize
profusely
for
that
rude
Interruption.
Can
everybody
still
hear
me?
Betty
I
see
you.
A
And
and
Luke,
if
you
have
the
opportunity
there,
the
ability
to
make
sure
everyone
else
is
muted,
with
apologies
to
folks
who
want
to
be
an
intelligent
part
of
this
conversation.
Unfortunately,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
to
do
that
so
back
to
the
program
here,
look
back
before
we
move
forward.
This
is
because
it's
interesting
and
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
to
dino
Robinson
at
the
shore
front,
Legacy
Center,
who
helped
provide
this.
A
This
historical
perspective
here
and
Dino
might
be
able
to
shed
some
more
light
on
on
this
than
I
can
at
this
point,
but
back
in
1924,
we
only
had
seven
wars
forward
to
fast
forward
to
1945..
Evanston
is
now
up
to
eight
Wards,
starting
to
look
a
little
bit
similar
to
how
we
are
now
and
then
we
go
to
1980.
We
are
now
at
our
full.
A
And
the
map
is
starting
to
look
very,
you
know
close
to
it
to
where
we
are
right
now.
Let's
pay
attention
here,
though,
call
your
attention
to
the
fact
that
the
second
and
fourth
words
are
oriented
and
more
East
West
than
they
are
right
now
and
again
for
folks
who
weren't
on
the
on
the
zoom
at
the
very
beginning,
I
have
I've
wondered
since
I
moved
to
Evanston
why
the
wards
are
numbered
in
such
a
haphazard
order,
not
proposing
we
redo
it.
A
That
would
confuse
the
heck
out
of
everybody,
but
if
somebody
knows
the
answer
to
that
question,
please
email
it
to
me.
I'm
I'm,
super
curious
and
I
assume
other
people
are
as
well.
So
let's
move
away
from
ancient
history
and
into
more
modern
history
and
to
me
the
the
delineation
between
those
two
time
periods
is
when
I
graduated
from
high
school,
so
I'm
class
of
1987..
We
are
now
in
in
modern
history.
Looking
back
to
1992,
the
map
is
starting
to
look
closer
to
how
it
is
today.
A
The
issues
when
we
went
through
this
process
as
a
community
back
in
1992
were
minority
representation
and
the
Voting
Rights
Act,
and
making
sure
that
the
minority
populations
in
Evanston
had
adequate
representation
of
the
city
council
and
that's
one
of
the
reasons.
We've
we
saw
the
the
boundary
between
the
second
and
fourth
Wards
start
to
shift
there.
There
was
an
issue
with
student
or
a
concern,
I
should
say
with
student
representation
back
in
1992.
In
fact,
there
was
actually
a
Northwestern
student
who
was
running
for
city
council.
A
Back
then
at
the
issue
of
neighborhood
integrity
was
also
referenced
as
an
issue
and
I
suppose
that
you
know
might
be.
You
know,
kind
of
the
flip
side
of
the
minority
representation
question
also
on
the
table
in
1992
was
downtown
representation,
and
this
is
the
first
map
where
downtown
Evanston
was
split
between
three
different
aldermen.
So
it
wasn't
it
wasn't
the
purview
and
domain
of
only
one
member
of
the
city
council,
but
the
downtown
has
has
at
least
three
folks
looking
out
for
it
here.
A
The
process
back
then
seemed
to
be
largely
Community
Driven
Michael
peschkin,
professor
at
Northwestern,
was
deeply
involved
and
thanks
Dr
peschkin
for
providing
some
of
the
the
context
here
and-
and
he
gave
me
these-
these
press
clippings
from
back
then.
A
So,
let's
keep
moving
forward
to
2003,
which
is
actually
the
last
time
we
redistricted.
So
the
2003
MAP
should
look
identical
to
our
current
map,
because
in
fact
it
is
the
current
map
going
back
into
the
the
way
back
machine.
I
I
pulled
up
some
city
council
minutes
from
2001.
when
Lorraine
Morton,
who
was
still
Alderman
at
that
time,
was
wondering
about
what
that
process
was
with
the
redistricting
process
would
be,
and
you
know
said
it
was
problematic
last
time
and
wanted
to
avoid
those
problems.
A
This
time-
and
you
know,
I
thought
we
could
do
so
if
if
we
knew
who
was
going
to
do
it
and
what
the
legal
parameters
were
so
here,
I
am
20
years
later
trying
to
follow.
You
know
mayor
Morton's
guidance
from
2001..
A
What
happened
in
2003
was
that
the
responsibility
for
this
for
redistricting
was
assigned
to
the
rules
committee,
which
is
a
committee
of
the
whole.
Essentially
all
members
of
the
city
council,
the
nine
council
members
and
the
mayor.
The
rules
committee
met
at
least
five
times
to
discuss.
Redistricting
there
were
some
other
public
meetings,
some
unofficial
residents
committee
meetings,
this
process
created
15
different
Maps,
which
did
not
make
for
an
efficient
conversation.
A
So
I
understand
I,
wasn't
here
yet,
but
from
the
folks
that
I've
talked
to
who
are
who
were
you
know,
I
understand
the
process
was
fairly
fraught
and
nonetheless
we
made
it
through
to
the
end
and
approved
the
new
map.
The
city
council
approved
the
new
map
in
December
of
2003.,
so
census
happens
every
10
years,
we're
kind
of
obligated
to
have
a
look
at
this
every
10
years,
so
fast
forward,
another
10
years
in
2012.
A
A
We
can
do
some
questions
and
answers
at
the
end
of
the
presentation,
if
that's
all
right,
so
in
2010,
the
population
of
absent
had
only
increased
by
247
people,
so,
according
to
state
law,
we
did
not
have
to
redistrict
and
the
council
at
the
time
talked
about
this
and
recalled
the
2003
process.
As
being
you
see
the
words
here,
difficult,
painful,
unpleasant
and
expensive,
and
they
made
the
decision
back
then
not
to
redistrict,
so
that
finally
brings
us
to
where
we
are
today
here
in
2022.
A
and
in
2022.
The
responsibility
for
this
process
has
been
assigned
to
the
special
redistricting
committee,
which
I,
which
I
explained
at
the
beginning.
This
committee
is
meeting
the
fourth
Tuesday
of
every
month.
So
far,
we've
met
twice:
we've
met
in
May
and
June
and
that
Cliffhanger
I
left
you
with
you
know,
should
we
redistrict.
A
That
was
the
first
thing
that
that
the
redistricting
committee
discussed,
and
we
came
to
the
clear
conclusion
that,
yes,
we
do
need
to
redistrict
and
we're
launching
this
process
to
make
sure
we're
doing
that
properly.
We've
also
concluded
that
you
know
it's
important
to
continue
having
at
least
three
wards
that
a
majority
non-white
and
we
also
talked
about
a
philosophical
approach.
A
How
are
we
going
to
approach
this
you're,
going
to
throw
the
map
out
and
start
over
or
do
we
want
to
try
and
keep
it
simple,
and
just
some
adjust
some
borders
here
and
there?
So
we
can
make
those
numbers
match
as
evenly
as
possible
and
as
long
as
we're
emitting
our
demographic
requirements
and
the
other
requirements
that
we
have
yet
to
discuss.
A
You
know
we
can
maybe
get
to
where
we're
going
without
much
pain
and
and
angst,
and
that
is
certainly
My,
Hope
and
desire
here
that,
through
this
kind
of
deliberate
process
and
logical
approach,
that
of
getting
Community
input
that
we
can
get
through
this
with
a
minimal
amount
of
of
drama,
because
certainly
we've
had
enough
of
that
in
this
community
and
I
think
with
some
robust
and
productive
Community
engagement.
Here
we
can.
We
can
set
an
example
for
how
redistricting
can
be
done
in
other
communities
around
the
state
and
around
the
country.
A
So
you
know
thank
you
to
my
fellow
committee
members
for
being
part
of
this
process
and
I'll
share
with
you.
Here's
our
our
overall
plan,
we're
kicking
it
off
this
evening
with
with
this
town
hall
in
English
and
repeating
this
town
hall
in
Spanish
next
week,
city
clerk,
Stephanie
Mendoza,
is
going
to
be
hosting
that
one
and
then
for
the
next
five
months
we
are
going
to
host
a
coordinated
public
engagement
sessions.
A
Those
will
be
done
at
the
committee
meetings
on
the
fourth
Thursday
of
the
month,
I'm,
going
to
explain
a
little
bit
more
about
that
approach
on
the
next
slide.
For
now,
I
just
want
to
keep
I
want
to
highlight
the
overall
approach,
and
so
we're
going
to
take
the
next
we're
going
to
take
the
next
five
months
to
get
that
input
and
then
in
December.
The
plan
is
for
the
committee
to
take
all
this
input
into
account,
and
at
that
point
we
will
draft
several
Maps
based
on
the
input
we
received.
A
Is
it
going
to
be
one
map,
two
maps,
three
Maps,
maybe
kind
of
the
same
discussion
as
with
the
city
manager,
search,
we'll
see
how
the
process
where
the
process
takes
us
and
we
intend
to
release
at
least
one
proposed
map,
maybe
two
or
three
in
January
of
23.,
and
then
the
public
will
have
an
opportunity
to
review
those
Maps
along
with
all
the
demographics
that
go
with
them,
and
the
committee
will
take
input
on
those
you
know
semi-finalist
maps
in
February
and
April,
then
in
April.
A
The
committee
will
make
our
selection
as
a
committee
to
to
recommend
the
new
map.
That
would
then
go
to
the
city
council
for
approval
in
May
of
2023.
So
that's
the
overall
process,
and
this
is
actually
as
quick
as
we
can
do
it
reason
being
is.
We
do
not
want
to
publish
the
new
map
until
after
the
special
election,
which
is
going
to
happen
in
April
of
2023,
because
we've
had
some
resignations
on
the
city
council
and
the
second
ward
and
the
eighth
Ward
those
seats.
A
Second,
ward
has
been
filled,
the
eighth
Ward
I'm,
sorry,
eighth,
Ward,
Ninth,
Ward,
sorry,
Ninth
Ward
vacancy
has
been
filled.
The
second
ward
vacancy
will
be
filled
within
the
next
few
months,
but
both
of
those
council
members
will
have
to
stand
for
election
in
April
of
23
like
halfway
through
my
turn
and
everyone
else's
term,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
confuse
people
by
releasing
the
new
map
before
that
election,
because
the
new
map
will
not
really
go
into
effect
until
the
25
election.
A
Everyone
will
continue
to
be
represented
by
their
current
council
members
in
their
current
wards
through
the
election
of
of
in
April
2025
and
then
once
the
new
Council
takes
is
sworn
in
in
May
of
2025.
That's
when
people
who
have
shifted
Wards
will
find
themselves
in
a
new
Ward.
So
we
don't
want
to
confuse
the
23
election
by
publishing
that
map
too
soon.
We're
still
way
ahead
of
the
state
guidelines,
which
say
that
we
have
to
only
get
this
done
by
November
of
2024,
which
is
way
too
late
for
an
election.
A
That's
coming
up
six
months
later,
so
we're
well
ahead
of
our
our
state
guidelines.
Here
and
doing
it
as
quickly
as
we
can
given
our
local
constraints,
so
a
little
bit
more
on
our
plan
for
public
engagement
here,
like
I,
said
the
committee
meetings
are
going
to
be
the
primary
venue
for
that
engagement.
Committee
meetings
are
the
fourth
Tuesdays
of
every
month
at
7
pm.
We
are
in
person
at
the
Civic
Center,
but
they
will
also
be
broadcast
virtually.
A
So
if
you
can
make
it
in
person
great,
we
may
have
some
maps
up
on
the
wall
to
kind
of
facilitate
discussion,
but
if
you
can
only
make
it
online,
we
will
accommodate
you
as
best.
We
can
it's
important
to
get
input.
You
know,
however,
we
can
again
we're
requesting
input
early
on
two
things.
First,
the
criteria
we
should
be
taking
into
account
when
we're
redrawing
the
map
and
also
specific
input
on
where
to
draw
the
boundaries
yeah.
A
You
prefer
it
to
be
on
this
block
or
you'd,
prefer
it
to
be
on
this
block,
but
don't
put
on
this
block.
That
kind
of
input
is
also
what
we're
looking
for
now
in
order
to
have
a
an
efficient
discussion
here,
we
are
requesting
folks
to
follow
this
schedule.
According
to
what
Ward
you
live
in
we've
kind
of
arranged
this
to
balance
some
of
the
more
difficult
Wars
awards
that
we
anticipate
being
more
difficult
to
redistrict
with
some
of
the
ones
that
are
more
easy
to
redistrict.
A
So
we
can
have
enough
time
to
take
care
of
everybody
here.
So
we're
not
exactly
numerical
we've
switched
it
around
a
little
bit
to
make
sure
we
have
enough
time
to
accommodate
everybody
here.
So
the
request
is,
if
you
would
like
to
weigh
in
with
your
input,
you
are
certainly
invited.
The
request
is:
please
try
to
come
to
the
award
meeting
to
the
committee
meeting
at
which
your
award
is
scheduled
for
discussion.
A
That's
not
an
absolute
requirement
if
you're
on,
if
you
live
in
the
Fifth,
Ward
and
you're
on
vacation,
it's
on
September
27th,
you
could
come
to
one
of
the
other
Awards
or
one
of
the
other
committee
meetings.
You're
welcome.
There
you're
also
welcome
to
submit
feedback
directly
to
the
committee.
You
can
look
at
the
website
for
how
to
do
that,
so
that
is
our
overall
plan
for
public
engagement
and,
at
this
point,
I'm
going
to
stop
screen
sharing
and
see.
A
If
we
can
do
some
questions
and
answers
here
and
Luke,
are
you
still
online.
A
Great,
so
let's
do
it
that
way,
I
will
take
I,
know,
there's
somebody
who
has
very
politely
been
been
wanting
to
ask
a
question.
If
you
could
raise
your
hand,
I
will
take
that
question.
I,
don't
see
anybody
raising
anybody's
hands,
so
am
I.
To
conclude,
we
have
sufficiently
and
adequately
addressed
everybody's
concerns
at
this
point.
Damien
is
there.
I
will
call
on
Damien
to
unmute
or
do
I
have
to
unmute
Damien.
A
Damian
had
his
hand
raised:
damn
can
Damian
unmute
himself
or
can
he
request
there?
We
go
Damon
you're
on
muted
for
a
second.
If
you'd
like
to
go
ahead,
sir.
A
Okay,
I
do
see
that
Betty
has
Betty.
Hayford
has
her
hand
raised
so
Betty
over
to
you.
If
you
would
like
to
unmute
yourself.
C
I
had
a
question
about
well
Warren,
seven
I
mean
you,
you
mentioned
having
contiguous
connected
geometric
Wards
as
as
one
possible
goal,
one
possible
measure,
yeah.
E
C
Then,
in
my
looking
at
the
word
map,
Ward
seven
is
the
most
convoluted
Ward
and
I
wondered
whether
you've
had
that
same
thought
and
whether
you
think
that
Ward
7
is
the
most
likely
to
be
reshaped
or
or
whether
it's
too
early
to
even
make
that
comment.
A
I,
don't
want
to
jump
ahead
because
you
know
that's
why
we're
setting
up
the
process
to
receive
these
these
inputs,
so
I
can
offer
you
my
own
personal
opinion
as
a
private
citizen,
but
that's
not
a
that
wouldn't
be
appropriate.
My
job
here
is
to
ask
for
the
personal
private
opinions
of
of
all
the
other
citizens,
so
that
I
as
council
member
and
my
colleagues
on
the
committee
can
take
those
into
account.
A
I
will
say
that
the
Seventh
Ward
is
4.2
percent
above
average,
so
it's
likely
that
the
Seventh
Ward
will
shrink
in
population
knowing
that
ideally
we'd
like
to
get
to
a
plus
zero
minus
zero
percentage.
You
know
across
online
Awards.
Realistically,
that's
not
going
to
happen.
A
A
Jeff
Smith
had
his
hand
up
Mr
Smith.
You
could
teach
the
seminar
here
so
correct.
Any
misstatements,
please
and
and
and
I
think
you
need
to
yes,
you're
on
muted
now,
yeah.
D
You
may
not
realize
this
John,
but
when
you
try
and
unmute
yourself,
you
first
get
a
prompt
that
says:
you're
not
allowed
to
okay
you'll
have
to
allow
a
couple
seconds
for
people
thanks,
Jeff
yeah
I
have
taught
this,
but
that
doesn't
make
me.
You
know
the
be-all
and
end-all
of
of
of
this
subject:
they're
a
slight
correction
to
the
introductory
standards,
the
deviations
that
you
were
on
the
first
slide
saying:
that's:
okay
for
congress!
That's
that's
not
so!
D
Congress
the
courts
pretty
much
insist
on
nearly
mathematical
exactitude
and
then
there's
a
little
more
leeway
for
state
legislatures
with
10
being
presumptively
bad.
If
it's
more
than
10
percent
out
of
deviation
and
then
there's
sometimes
more
leeway
for
municipalities.
But
the
goal
is
still
always
one
person
one
one
vote.
The
goal
of
Evanston
shouldn't
be
to
say
how
much
inequality
and
unequal
representation
can
we
get
away
with
and
still
and
still
you
know,
survive
a
court
challenge.
D
D
First
of
all,
the
the
history
kind
of
skipped
over
what
happened
in
2010
said
that
we
were
within
we
hadn't
increased
or
decreased
in
population
enough
to
Warrant
redistricting
under
state
law,
but
there
was
no
mention
of
where
we
were
at
with
regards
to
deviation
under
the
federal
standards
which
are
really
what
what
what
drive
this
and
I
think
it
would
be
good
if
those
numbers
were
made
available
and
If
the
census
tract
by
census.
D
Tract
information
was
generally
made
available,
yeah
with
regard
to
the
process
going
forward,
I'd,
say:
I,
I
really
disagree
almost
180
degrees,
with
the
idea
that
we've
got
special
elections
coming
up
so
we're
going
to
delay
this
process.
It
seems
to
me
that
would
compel
the
opposite
result.
You
we
currently
have
a
sitting
Council
that
was
elected
under
an
unconstitutional
map.
D
This
council
is
making
major
decisions,
including
on
say
the
next
city
manager,
the
next
city
manager.
We
we
found
out
on
June
1st
that
Mr
Fournier
was
was
not
going
to
take
the
job
and
my
understanding.
Reading
between
the
lines
from
what
mayor
Bess
said
last
night,
at
the
Town
Hall
and
from
the
rumors
around
town
is
that
the
council
has
largely
decided
on
a
new
candidate
in
less
than
six
weeks.
D
D
Council
members,
under
the
new
terminology
under
an
unconstitutional
map,
seems
to
me
with
we
have
the
technology
and
the
ability
to
have
a
map
that
meets
the
requirements
of
compact
contiguous
and
is
considerably
less
gerrymandered
than
the
map
we
see
right
now,
and
that
there's
compelling
reason
to
have
that
map
in
place
before
these
special
elections
are
are
are
held
in
April
I
would
redistrict
the
entire
City
a
ASAP
and
give
people
time
to
be
running.
D
As
as
one
of
your
earlier
sites
said,
you
don't
have
to
wait.
Four
years
you
can
redistrict,
you
could
read,
restrict
right
now
we
could
hold
a
special
election
for
everybody
in
April
and
be
assured
that
the
decisions
that
are
being
made
over
the
next
couple
years
are
being
made
under
the
standards
of
one
person,
one
vote
in
equal
representation
for
all
the
wards.
So
that's
that's
my
two
cents.
A
Thanks
Jeff
and
I
I
do
have
some
data
that
I'd
be
happy
to
share
with
you.
You
can
Luke
if
you
could
allow
me
to
share
my
screen
again
to
address
your
question
of
the
the
demographic
data.
A
Can
you
guys
hold
on?
Let
me
maneuver
around
and
put
this
in
presentation
mode.
Can
you
guys
see
this
okay?
So
this
is
we
I
won't
go
through
all
these
numbers
right
now
in
detail,
but
just
want
to
let
you
know.
This
information
is
here
as
kind
of
an
appendix
to
this
presentation,
and
this
presentation
will
be
posted
on
the
website,
so
the
data
will
be.
A
It
will
be
available
for
you
to
look
at
so
this
2000
census
data
is
right
there,
the
2010
census
data
is
right
here
and
specific
to
your
Point
Jeff.
The
total
population
deviation
at
that
time
was
16.3
percent,
so
I'm
not
here
to
defend
the
decision
or
or
comment
on
the
decision
one
way
or
the
other
that
was
made
in
in
2012
or
2013.
You
know
we
do
find
ourselves
here
in
2020
with
a
20.4
deviation
and
yeah.
A
Do
intend
to
make
that
number
as
close
to
zero
as
as
reasonably
possible,
so
I
just
wanted
to
call
your
attention
to
that.
The
fact
that
this
data
is
available
without
getting
into
those
weeds
right
now.
So
thanks,
Jeff
I,
see
that
Trisha
Connolly
has
a
question
and
is
there
anybody
else,
I
see
Trisha
so
and
I
guess
Trisha
you're
gonna
have
to
request
to
unmute
yourself
and.
F
You
good
I
guess
my
question
is,
and
maybe
I'm
thinking
too
far
forward,
but
when
we
have
these
breakouts
per
ward
in.
E
F
Meetings
down
the
road
is
there
going
to
be
access
to
data
that
you're
going
to
give
see
residents
in
terms
of
trying
to
put
several
things
together
here
on
what
makes
sense
you
know
you
talked
about
neighborhoods
you
talked
about
Community,
like
is
all
of
that,
going
to
be
parsed
out
so
that
we
can
start
thinking
about
those
things.
You
know
you
live
in
a
ward,
but
you
forget
some
things
and
you're
not
sure
what
the
implications
are.
How
is
that
going
to
work.
A
Yeah
so
we'll
start
I
think
with
a
review
of
the
demographic
data
that
I
just
flashed
on
the
screen
briefly
and
we'll
take
a
closer
look
at
the
war.
That's
under
consideration
at
each
meeting
and
look
at
those
demographics
look
at
those
borders
and
then
everyone
who's
in
the
room
can
look
at
the
map,
and
you
know,
for
example,
if
it's
the
Seventh
Ward,
which
is
a
little
bit
too
big.
A
Let's
look
at
areas
that
you
know
that
might
be
reasonably
moved
to
another
Ward
and
keeping
in
mind
that
at
the
end
of
this
process
we
want
everything
to
be
balanced
as
close
as
possible
to
zero.
So
we
can't
finalize
that
conversation
by
talking
about
one
word,
Alone.
A
The
point
of
you
know
having
kind
of
Ward
Centric
discussions
is
to
hear
concerns
related
to
that
Ward
and
the
residents
of
that
Ward
and
from
the
council.
Member
of
that
Ward,
and
you
know,
make
sure
all
that
input
is
received
and
then
once
we
have
all
that
input
from
all
of
the
wards
will
make
an
attempt
at
drawing
a
new
map
which
is
going
to
involve.
A
Thank
you,
Trisha
Leslie,
Williams
I,
saw
your
hand
raised
next.
H
A
A
G
Sorry
I
couldn't
unmute,
so
one
really
simple
question
when
you
said
we'd
be
doing
it
incrementally
I'm,
not
quite
sure
how
you
would
do
this
incrementally.
So
if
you
could
maybe
explain
that
and
my
other
question
is,
if
you're
looking
at
any
other
models
of
other
cities
similar
to
us
in
size
or
demographics
that
have
done
this.
A
By
by
incremental
I
mean
you
know,
kind
of
a
light
touch
approach
in
getting
where
we
need
to
go
by
shifting
existing
borders
in
the
direction
that
Nate
they
need
to
be
shifted
in
order
to
get
that
numerical
balance,
as
opposed
to,
on
the
other
end
of
the
spectrum
throughout
the
map
and
start
over.
A
So
that
was
the.
It
was
the
the
clear
consensus
of
the
redistricting
committee
that
we
would
like
to
get
where
we're
going
with
a
minimal
amount
of
redistricting
and
without
putting
so
many
people
into
new
Wards
that
it
starts
to
get
confusing.
So
that's
what
that's!
What
I
meant
there
and
yeah
to
the
point
of?
Have
we
looked
at
other
communities?
We
haven't
taken
a
deep
dive.
You
know.
A
We've
all
may
have
heard
how
this
process
has
gone
in
Chicago,
we're
not
looking
to
them
as
a
model
for
sure,
but
we
haven't,
we
haven't
pulled.
You
know
Oak,
Park
and
and
other
communities
to
look
at
how
at
how
they're
doing
this.
I
Okay,
this
is
Renee
Payton,
Tina's,
sister
hi,
hello,
I
just
wanted
to
know,
because
there
were
competing
meetings.
If
you
guys
were
going
to
have
the
recording,
so
people
could
see
what
was
going
on
for
the
initial
Town
Hall.
Yes,.
A
That
is
absolutely
our
intent.
We
are
recording
this
meeting
and
it
will
be
posted
on
the
website,
assuming
all
the
it
works
out,
which
is
always
I,
guess
a
little
bit
of
a
question.
But,
yes,
it
is
being
recorded
and
will
be
posted.
Okay,.
A
Right
before
we
log
off
here,
I
I'm,
hoping
that
Luke
is
there
a
link
to
the
to
the
exit
survey
or
the
it's,
not
the
exit
server,
but
the
link
to
the
community
survey
that
is
kind
of
the
first
formal
input
to
this
process
and
we'll
post
this
link
online.
So
folks
that
are
watching
this
recording
can
respond
to
the
survey
as
well.
But
Luke
is
there
a
link
to
that
to
that
survey
that
we
can
post
I.
B
A
Okay,
that
sounds
good
yes,
I
would
encourage
everyone
to
have
a
look
at
the
redistricting
webpage
and
fill
out
that
survey.
It's
going
to
ask
you
what
Ward
you
live
in.
Currently
how
long
you've
lived
there?
It's
going
to
ask
you
for
some
input
on.
If
you
have
any
input
on
what
criteria
we
should
be
considering
it's
going
to
ask
you
for
your
thoughts
on
this
proposed
process
and
any
suggestions
we
can
have
to
make
it
better,
so
it
will
be
informative
and
useful
to
the
committee
to
hear
your
feedback.
A
So
please
have
a
look
at
that
survey
tomorrow
and
we'll
make
sure
that
the
survey
is
is
publicized
as
well.
A
All
right
other
any
other
questions.
J
A
J
Okay,
thank
you.
My
question
is:
does
the
city
currently
use
a
redistricting
software
to
make
the
maps.
A
We
are
using
some
online
software
that
uses
the
2010
or
the
the
the
2020
Census
Data
same
software
is
available
free
to
anyone
who
wants
to
wants
to
use
it.
One
of
the
things
that
hopefully
will
make
this
process
easier
than
in
past
decades
is
that
the
software
is
is
readily
available.
The
technology
makes
it
easier
to
test
hypothetical
maps
and
and
and
do
some
really
rapid
analysis.
So
we've
got
technology
work
in
in
favor
of
us
this
time
around.
Okay,.
J
A
Yeah
and
we'll
probably
I
anticipate
that
we
may
be
doing
some
playing
around
with
with
that
software
in
these
upcoming
committee
meetings,
where
we'll
be
looking
at
different
wards,
you
know
we'll
do.
A
In
mind
that
we're
not
the
intention
of
the
next
five
months
is
not
to
redraw
the
map
in
a
series
of
five
meetings,
but
to
take
some
input
that
would
allow
a
holistic
approach
to
return
the
map
so
Ms
Meadows.
Thank
you
for
waiting.
If
you
had
your
hand
raised
for
a
while
I
apologize,
you
were
on
a
different
screen,
so
I'm
just
seeing
you
now
thank.
K
You
no
I
did
not
thank
you.
I
really
appreciate
the
conversation
and
the
inclusivity
and
I
agree
with
Leslie
Williams,
who
asked
about
comparable
models
for
other
cities,
because,
as
a
newcomer
to
this
I
wonder
how
will
residents
here
in
Evanston
be
helps
to
understand
implications
of
redistricting
and
I?
Understand
that
the
committee
decided
this
was
a
good
idea
and
I
understand
the
you
know.
The
presentation
that
you
gave
but
I
know
too
that
the
14th
amendment
has
not
always
been
used
for
the
most
socially
just
purposes.
K
The
Constitution
can
be
used
for
purposes
other
than
actually
protecting
the
rights
of
residents
and
citizens
so
I'm.
What's
the
educational
process
going
to
be
for
these
I
understand,
you
want
input
from
residents,
but
how
will
residents
be
able
to
learn
the
pros
and
cons
of
different
practices?
The
social
justice
matters
the
implications
and
such
of
the
questions
you're
asking
us
to
respond
to
in
terms
of,
for
example,
what
criteria
should
be
used
or
how
should
the
board
be
re-drawn
or
should
the
word
be
withdrawn,
I
hope
my
questions
making
sense
I.
A
Think
I
need
something.
Yeah
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
have
an
intelligent
discussion.
People
need
to
have
enough
information
to
be
able
to.
You
know
to
make
some
informed
contributions.
I
think
is,
is
where
you're
going
here
and
so
in
in
a
certain
sense,
it's
up
to
the
individuals
to
do
their
own
research
here,
but
we
will
also
I
think
I.
Think
your
request.
A
A
I
would
agree.
I
would
agree
all
right.
Looking
at
the
question
at
the
hands
raised
here,
is
there
anybody
else
that
has
not
been
called
on?
Who
wishes
to
speak?
If
not
I
see
Jeff
Smith
your
hand
is
still
raised.
Is
that
again
or
is
that?
Is
that
left
over
from
the
last
time.
D
Besides,
you
know
where
I'm
coming
from
I
cut
my
legal
teeth,
while
in
law
school
working
down
in
Texas
to
try
and
with
each
East
Texas
legal
services
to
make
sure
that
African-American
and
Latino
voters
had
a
fair
chance
to
elect
representatives
of
their
choice
in
cities
that
had
gerrymandered
away
the
ability
of
folks
to
do
so
and
ended
up
doing
an
enormous
amount
of
research
and
ended
up
writing
my
law
school
thesis
on
that
and
developed
a
election
law
curriculum
that
I
caught
taught
a
couple
times
that
began
with
a
focus
on
redistricting
and
I
believe
fiercely
in
the
right
of
everybody,
and
especially
those
who've,
been
discriminated
against
to
have
a
fair
chance
to
elect
representatives
of
their
choice.
D
I
also
know
and
like
and
respect
Michael
peschkin
and
I
was
actually
at
some
of
the
19
discussions
before
the
the
1990s
redistricting.
Probably
the
first
Evanston
city
council,
meeting
I
ever
attended.
D
I
disagree
somewhat
with
the
his
the
The
Narrative
of
that
as
being
driven
by
biracial
considerations,
because
the
law
was
and
is
that
you
don't
have
to
draw
lines
along
race.
In
fact,
you
probably
shouldn't
draw
lines
along
considerations
of
race
unless,
unless
there's
a
demonstrated
pattern
of
what's
called
racially
polarized
voting
such
that
doing
so
would
impede
the
fair
chance
of
a
group
to
elect
a
representative
of
its
own
choice,
which
doesn't
necessarily
mean
a
representative
of
the
same
racial
or
ethnic
background.
D
As
as
the
group,
it
means
it
means
choice
in
under
the
American
theory
of
democracy.
I
can
vote
for
a
person
of
color
to
represent
me
of
persons
of
color,
can
vote
for
a
white
person
represent
them
and
they
can
represent
their
interests
sometimes
better
than
somebody
of
who
has
more
similarity.
Pigment,
wise
and
the
problem
was
in
1992,
and
the
problem
with
that
narrative
was
that
there
was
not
then
a
such
a
demonstrable
pattern
of
racially
polarized
voting
and
there
certainly
isn't
now.
D
After
all,
the
intervening
elections
we've
had
since
having
had
elected
folks
of
color
city-wide
in
both
Municipal
and
School
Board
elections,
with
the
intervening
elections
for
Carol
Mosley
Braun
for
Barack
Obama.
D
A
lot
of
other
folks
that
I
that
I've
supported
so
I,
would
be
extremely
careful
if
I
were
the
City
of
Evanston
to
start
using
racial
boundaries
are
perceived
demographics
of
racial
groups
as
a
criteria,
unless
you
have
that
demonstrated
pattern
of
racially
polarized
voting
with
respect
to
particular
groups
and
particular
areas,
otherwise,
you're
really
starting
to
tread
on
something.
That's
the
opposite
of
what
is
of
what
is
constitutionally
mandated
and
I
I
recognize
that
there
are
some.
There
are
some
themes
in
modern
political
discourse
that.
D
That
aren't
as
enthusiastic
about
the
the
ideal
of
color
blindness
that
was
espoused
in
the
leading
cases
for
decades
on
redistricting,
but
nonetheless
those
remain
those
Remain,
the
law
of
the
land,
and
there
is
no
affirmative
duty
to
maximize
the
Power
of
any
particular
racial
group
when,
when
drawing
lines,
because
that's
a
zero-sum
game,
if
you're
maximizing
one
group
you're
minimizing
some
some
other
group-
and
that
is
constitutionally
forbidden.
D
So
that's
that
that's
my
that's.
My
only
comment
on
on
with
regard
to
that,
and
it
goes
back.
You
know
decades
at
this
point,
but
somebody
wiser
than
me
said
that
those
that
who
don't
study
history
are
doomed
to
repeat
its
mistakes.
A
Thanks
Jeff
thanks
for
that,
thanks
for
that
feedback-
and
you
certainly
are
one
who
could
teach
us
a
semester
on
this
for
sure
too
anyone
else
wishing
to
comment.
There
was
a
gentleman
who
was
attempting
to
ask
a
question
earlier
in
the
presentation
who
I
unfortunately
had
to
cut
off.
A
If,
if
that
gentleman,
I'm
not
sure
who
it
was
is
still
available,
they're
still
online
would
love
to
hear
your
question.
Maybe
you've
already
left-
or
maybe
your
question
has
already
been
answered,
so
all
right,
I,
don't
see
any
more
hands
raised.
So
I
will
at
this
point
say
thank
you,
everybody
for
participating
in
this
town
hall
tonight.
A
Please
look
for
that
survey
online
at
the
city's
website
tomorrow
and
provide
your
preliminary
feedback
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
at
the
upcoming
series
of
committee
meetings
and
we'll
get
more
into
the
Weeds
on
what
this
new
map
is
going
to
look
like.
So
thank
you
all
for
participating.
I
am
going
to
call
this
meeting
adjourned
thanks.
Everybody
bye-bye.