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A
Of
the
city
of
evanston's
redistricting
committee,
I
am
councilmember
Jonathan
nusma
from
the
fourth
ward
chairing
the
committee
meeting
this
evening
looks
like
we
don't
have
that
many
participants,
so
we
should
be
able
to
make
expeditious
work
of
this
to
make
this
official
Council
Cummings
I
think
we
have
to
suspend
the
rules
to
allow
for
remote
participation,
so
I'll
move
suspension
of
the
rules.
A
Been
moved
by
council,
member
Reed
and
councilmember
burns
if
you
could
throw
a
thumbs
up
or
just
indicating
the
affirmative,
all
in
favor
aye,
we
are
now
have
said
the
magic
words
and
continue
this
can
continue
to
meet
remotely
here.
Next
on
the
agenda
is
approval
of
the
minutes
from
our
October
25th
meeting
councilmember
Burns.
If
you'd
be
surprised.
A
B
A
Seconded
by
councilmember
Burns,
all
in
favor
aye
aye,
any
opposed
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
October
25th
are
approved.
A
Okay
next
on
the
agenda
is
public
comment,
and
what
we
have
done
in
previous
meetings
is
what
I
would
like
to
do
in
this
meeting
is
rather
than
take
public
comment
up
front.
Let's
hold
open
public
comment
for
now
and
as
we
go
through,
each
Ward
in
in
turn
will
throw
open
the
microphones
for
public
comment
at
that
point,
and
I
do
I,
just
I'm
looking
at
who's
participating
online
I,
see
Cindy
Reed
and
Robert's
iPad
and
T,
which
I
am
guessing,
is
Miss
Payton.
A
B
I
think
Robert's
iPad
is
Bob
Seidenberg,
okay,.
A
I
think
Bob,
if
that's
you
thumbs
up
or
something
to
indicate
otherwise
feel
free,
feel
free
to
jump
in
so
all
right,
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen.
Also,
let
the
record
reflect
that
councilmember
Harry
cottas
is
joining
us
councilmember
from
The
Ninth
Ward,
since
the
ninth
award
is
on
the
agenda
this
evening.
So
give
me
one
second
here
to
close
that
to
share.
A
My
screen
here
and
can
everybody
see
this
see
this
presentation.
A
C
A
For
those
of
you
who
have
not
been
through
this
before
I'll
do
a
quick
overview.
This
will
be
repetitive
for
a
lot
of
folks
and
for
all
who
might
be
seeing
this
for
the
first
time
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
at
a
lightning
Pace.
We
do
have
a
more
in-depth
version
available
with
a
recording
of
our
town
hall
meeting
in
July,
there's
a
town
hall
in
English
and
a
town
hall
in
Spanish.
A
So
please
refer
to
the
committee
webpage
for
links
to
those
videos,
so
this
is
just
a
quick
overview
of
of
the
committee's
work
to
date
and
then
we'll
focus
in
turn
on
Ward
8
and
Ward
9.
yeah.
A
So
just
as
a
reminder,
the
committee
consists
of
council
members
win
newsma,
Burns
and
Reed
with
the
support
of
the
city
of
evanston's
legal
department,
and
we
are
governed,
of
course,
by
state
law,
which
in
fact
does
not
require
us
to
read
districts,
because
our
population
has
not
Fallen
below
70
000
or
above
90
000..
However,
we
can
redistrict
for
any
other
reason,
and
if
we
do
redistrict,
this
is
all
according
to
state
law.
A
The
wards
shall
be
as
nearly
equal
in
population
and
shall
be
as
Compact
and
contiguous
as
as
practicable.
So
that's
the
governing
state
law.
Of
course
we
have
federal
law,
which
is
worth
a
semester
or
two
of
graduate
level
classes.
I'll
condense,
this
into
a
couple
of
slides,
we're
of
course
governed
by
the
Constitution
and
the
equal
protection
Clause
of
the
14th
Amendment,
as
well
as
the
Voting
Rights
Act
of
1965
and
a
large
body
of
case
law.
A
When
state
law
says
we
have
to
keep
keep
the
if
we
redistrict,
we
want
the
populations
to
be
equal,
how
equal
is
equal
now,
according
to
the
the
federal
law
and
the
federal
guidelines,
anything
greater,
ideally
I
should
say.
The
population
deviation
between
the
smallest
district
and
the
largest
district
is
plus
minus
percentage
should
be
no
more
than
10
percent
total
swing.
We
can
justify
a
deviation
up
to
16.4
percent
if
it's
based
on
legitimate
considerations.
Anything
above
16.4
percent
is
considered
unconstitutional
for
the
14th
Amendment.
A
So
again,
here's
here's
state
law.
After
look
at
our
population
over
the
last
six
censuses,
we
have
not
Fallen
above
70
Fallen
below
70
we're
above
90
000..
So,
according
to
state
law,
we
technically
don't
have
to
redistrict
interesting
to
look
at
census
data
to
compare
2010
and
2020
Census
Data
here
Ward
by
Ward.
If
we
add
up
the
numbers,
we
see
an
increasingly
diverse
Community,
largely
in
terms
of
an
increase
to
our
Hispanic
population
and
Asian
population.
A
That's
a
this
slide
is:
is
the
the
racial
demographics,
as
the
census,
Bureau
defines
them
in
Hispanic?
Latino
is
broken
out
as
a
separate
demographic.
So
here
we
can
see.
You
know
word
by
Ward
a
growing
Hispanic
population
in
the
City
of
Evanston.
Here's
what
it
looks
like
graphically
again,
I'm
not
going
to
spend
too
much
time
on
this.
These
slides
are
on
the
city's
redistricting
web
page
and.
A
Numbers
when
we
are
making
the
decision
to
redistrict,
we
note
that
our
population
has
grown
in
the
City
of
Evanston
to
a
total
of
just
above
78
000.
Some
Wards
have
grown
more
than
others,
and
we
find
ourselves
now
with
the
largest
Ward,
which
is
Ward.
A
So
let's
look
at
very
quickly
the
local
guidelines.
The
last
time
we
redistricted
in
the
City
of
Evanston
was
after
the
2000
census.
That
process
was
accomplished
in
2003,
with
ordinance
103.003
at
that
time.
That
ordinance
enumerated
a
number
of
factors
that
were
taken
into
account.
You
know
some
federal
mandated
some
State
mandated
and
then
a
list
of
factors
that
we
were
taking
into
account
locally
and
we're
using
this
list
as
kind
of
a
jumping
off
place
for
our
discussion
after
the
2020
census.
A
We're
not
limited
to
this
list,
but
this
allows
us
to
at
least
start
the
conversation,
so
the
process
for
this
time
around.
In
contrast
to
previous
efforts,
something
we've
done
differently.
This
time
is
to
form
a
redistricting
committee
consisting
of
four
council
members
in
the
past.
It
was
done
a
number
of
different
ways.
This
committee
has
been
meeting
semi-regularly,
not
only
the
fourth
Tuesday
of
every
month
and
to
date
we
have
formally
confirmed
our
intent
to
redistrict.
A
We
have
confirmed
our
desire
to
continue
to
have
at
least
three
majority
non-white
wards.
We
have
also
decided
to
pursue
an
incremental
approach
rather
than
throwing
out
the
map
and
starting
over
with
a
blank
sheet
of
paper.
Our
desire
is
to
minimize
confusion
and
ideally
get
to
as
close
to
a
zero
percent
deviation
as
possible
by
just
adjusting
borders
on
on
the
margins,
and
that
is
part
of
this
process.
We've
developed
a
community
engagement
plan
which
we
have
spent
the
last
several
months
involved
in
I'll
stress.
A
At
this
point,
we
have
not
formally
considered
a
new
map.
Our
intent
is
to
go
through
a
public
engagement
process
here
from
each
Ward,
and
that
includes
at
redistricting
committee
meetings
as
well,
as
you
know,
conversation
at
award
meetings
to
get
that
public
input
first
before
the
committee
draws
several
new
maps.
So
here's
where
we
are
in
that
timeline-
you
know
from
you
know,
July
of
this
year
through
January
of
next
year,
we're
very
deliberately
going
through
kind
of
Ward
by
Ward
and
doing
this
public
engagement
process.
A
The
committee,
having
heard
the
public
engagement
by
the
end
of
January
well,
then
kind
of
retire
to
Chambers
and
draft
a
handful
of
new
maps
for
consideration.
One
two,
three
Maps,
we
don't
know
for
sure.
It's
certainly
something
less
than
last
time
around
when
there
were
more
than
15
maps
that
were
presented,
which
did
not
make
for
a
very
efficient
conversation.
So
we
will
release
you
know.
A
A
finalist
round
of
maps
in
February
do
another
round
of
public
engagement
on
those
proposed
maps,
and
then
this
committee
will
recommend
to
the
council
a
a
new
map
in
April
of
2023,
and
then
the
council
will
approve
that
map
in
May
of
2023..
This
is
our
plan
anyway
and
I'll
point
out.
A
This
is
well
before
our
legal
required
deadline,
which
would
be
you
know,
sometime
in
November
of
2024,
and
it's
almost
as
early
as
we
can
do
it,
because
there
are
two
Wards
up
for
a
special
election
in
April
next
year,
and
we
didn't
want
to
rush
through
this
process
and
try
and
at
the
very
last
minute,
with
regards
to
the
April
election,
put
a
new
map
in
place
and
people
leave
people
confused
as
to
who
their
who
they'd
be
voting
for
so
as
soon
as
the
new
council
is
or
the
two
new
council
members
are
sworn
in
in
May,
we
will
very
shortly
thereafter
approve
the
new
map
and
the
the
new
Awards
will
become
official.
A
At
that
point,
at
least
that's
our
intent
at
this
point,
so
public
engagements
schedule
we're
about
halfway
through
doing
award
date
of
nine
tonight.
First
and
third
Wards
are
up
for
January
2nd
and
then
a
Fifth
Ward
focus
on
January,
26th
and
again
to
any
council
members
on
this
Zoom
meeting
tonight,
as
chairman
of
the
committee
I'm
happy
to
come
to
award
meeting
and
have
this
conversation
with
members
of
your
award
directly.
A
So
with
that,
let's
go
through
Ward
by
Ward
and
if
any
award
is
going
to
be
fairly
easy
or
the
most
straightforward,
it
might
be
the
eighth
Ward,
given
that
it's
the
population,
has
not
deviated
very
much
and
it
only
borders
to
other
Wars.
So
focusing
on
the
eighth
Ward
for
the
next
few
minutes.
We
find
that
the
eighth
ward
has
increased
by
a
total
of
166
people,
and
that
puts
the
eighth
Ward
1.9
above
average.
D
A
At
the
third,
the
two
neighboring
Wards,
the
Third
Ward,
is
the
largest
by
that
should
be
a
comma
1021.
A
And
the
ninth
ward
is
one:
it
is
one
of
the
smallest
at
at
759
people
below
average,
actually,
the
smallest
at
759
people
below
average
or
8.7
below
average.
So,
logically,
it
would
make
sense,
for
you
know
some
of
the
eighth
Ward
to
go
into
the
the
ninth
ward
here,
but
I
don't
want
to
get
too
far
ahead
of
myself.
We
do
want
to
hear
some
take
the
the
public
feedback
into
account.
A
Taking
a
look
at
the
demographics
here
of
the
eighth
Ward,
comparing
2010
to
2020
Census
Data,
we
see
a
growing
Hispanic
population.
You
know
we
see
across
the
board
in
in
a
number
of
wards,
an
increase
in
the
number
of
folks
who
have
identified
as
two
or
more
as
two
or
more
races.
A
Eighth
ward
has
lost
white
people
and
lost
lost
some
black
people,
but
gained
overall
and
again
there
is,
if
you
want
to
focus
oops.
A
A
A
Closer
look
at
the
demographic
map.
That's
that's
what
it
looks
like
eighth
Ward
is
I
would
say,
probably
the
most
diverse
of
evanston's
words
at
this
point,
and
so
now
we
come
to
the
kind
of
the
meat
of
the
conversation.
A
If
we're
looking
at
the
eighth
Ward-
and
you
know,
taking
a
logical
and
kind
of
conscious
look
at
what
blocks
we
might
want
to
move
here
and
what
blocks
we
might
want
to
move
there,
and
so
at
this
point,
I
will
pause
to
see
if
any
members
of
the
redistricting
committee
would
like
to
weigh
in.
A
If
not
we
can.
We
can
entertain
public
comment.
B
Yeah
I'll
just
jump
in
since
I'm
a
member
of
the
committee
and
we're
talking
about
faith
ward.
You
know
certainly
I
think
it
makes
sense,
for
you
know
part
of
the
eighth
Ward
to
be
you
know,
allocated
to
the
ninth
ward
I
think
it's
important
for
they
Thor
to
maintain
its
diversity
and
as
the
war
that
I
think
now
has
the
largest
black
population,
despite
by
number
and
I,
think
it's
important
to
maintain
that
aspect
here
as
well.
A
Great
council
member
Burns,
do
you
want
to
weigh
in
here.
A
He's
in
the
car,
so
you
probably
can't
see
the
map
and
is
there
anybody
else,
any
member
of
the
public
that
would
like
to
weigh
in
yeah.
E
Hi,
this
is
Tina
Payton,
good.
E
E
E
There
so
I
know
that,
but
the
the
point
is,
is
you
want
to
see?
Yes,
that's
better,
because
then
I
know
we're
gonna
talk
about
nine
and
so
forth,
but
you
want
to
say,
try
to
maybe
put
certain
places
and
nine
and
then
look
at
the
other
ones.
C
E
A
Okay,
I
think
there
are
essentially
three
theoretical.
You
know
blocks
or
chunks
of
territory
that
we
could
move.
I'm,
sorry,
I'm
thinking
about
this
backwards.
B
A
B
A
It
yeah,
and
so
with
their
you
know,
councilmember
Reed,
if
you,
if
you're
you're,
moving
some
blocks,
if
you
had
to
make
a
choice,
is
there
any
reason
to
consider
one
of
these
sections,
rather
than
the
other
or
yeah.
B
Yeah
I
think
you
know
one
I
I
think
it
also
makes
sense
to
keep
like
communities
together.
So
I
I
do.
D
B
That
you
know
for
the
areas
that
are,
you
know,
there's
half
of
my
ward,
that
is,
you
know
primarily
single-family
homes,
and
that
is
more
in
line
with
what's
going
on
in
the
Ninth
Ward
and
then
there's
another
half
of
my
award,
that
is
a
mix
of
single-family
homes
and
apartment
buildings
and
there's
a
lot
more
density
and
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
keep
those
folks
together
as
well,
and
so
if,
if
I
was
looking
at
it
I
think
you
know
I'd
say
the
blocks
not
at
Dodge,
but
you
know
Dewey
and
Florence
make
sense
to
be
looped
into
the
ninth
ward,
because
those
are
you
know
more
single-family
homes
aligned
with
the
ninth
ward
in
the
community,
but
the
area
that's
near
Dodge
actually
has
a
bit
more
density,
there's
more
Town
Homes,
it's
you
know
less
affluent
area
and
so
there's
I
think
more
commonality
between
the
rest
of
the
ward
in
that
area.
A
C
A
E
Well,
that's
what
I
was
suggesting
to
maybe
start
with
nine
first,
because
that
has
the
biggest
deficit.
A
How
about
we
do
this?
Let's
just
continue
to
talk
about
nine
and
part
of
the
conversation
about
word.
Nine
will
be
Ward
eight,
so
yeah
yeah,
let's,
let's
just
take
Tina's
advice
and
and
and
keep
cruising
up
through
here
so
without
repeating
most
of
what
I
just
said.
A
Ward
9
is
undersized
by
759
residents,
which
puts
it
8.7
percent
below
average
or
the
the
smallest
Ward.
And
so
we
do
I,
don't
division,
a
scenario
where
we
don't
make
the
ninth
ward
bigger
since
we're
shooting
for
a
total
swing
of
of
ideally
less
than
10
percent,
but
theoretically
as
close
to
zero
as
possible.
A
So
let's
keep
looking
at
the
ninth
ward
here
and
looking
at
the
ninth
War
demographics
total
population,
despite
the
fact
that
Ward
9th
is
the
smallest
by
percentage
population
on
Ninth
Ward
has
still
grown
by
318
people,
the
ninth
ward,
that
growth
has
come
from
Hispanic
and
residents
identifying
as
two
or
more
races
some
growth
in
the
Asian
population
and
Native
American
population
with
some
shrinkage
in
both
the
white
and
black
popular
relations.
A
So
there's
that
one!
If
you
want
to
take
a
quick
look
at
that
one
boom,
so
there
is
our
zoomed
up,
look
at
the
Ninth
Ward
and
we're
looking
for.
You
know,
ideally
some
way
to
get
to
to
add
759
people
to
the
ninth
ward.
A
This
would
be
a
logical
place
to
look.
I
would
think
that
the
data
that
we're
considering
tonight
doesn't
have
Block
Level
population
data,
so
it's
possible.
If
we
took
that
whole
chunk,
it
would
be
you
know
more
than
the
amount
we
would
need
to
add
to
the
ninth
ward,
but
that
is
certainly
some
place
to
look
be
taken
out
of
the
second
ward.
F
And
and
Jonathan
I
think
you
know
I
kind
of
echo,
some
of
the
things
that
Devon
said
about
kind
of
keeping
the
neighborhoods
and
using
kind
of
kind
of
the
feel
of
you
know
the
different
neighborhoods,
yeah,
I
I,
think
you
know
looking
at
Dodge
the
Dodge
and
Main
area.
F
You
know
there's
kind
of
already
that
four
block
area
that
seems
you
know
from
do.
Do
we
to
Dodge
in
Maine
to
I
think
that's
Cleveland
kind
of
seems
that
four
blocks
again.
F
G
F
This
data,
where
exactly
that
puts
us
but
I,
mean
that's
the
pre
in
in
my
discussion
with
residents,
it's
been
kind
of
because
we're
growing
and
not
shrinking
it's
it's
kind
of
an
easier
conversation.
Yeah
rather
than
you
know.
You
know
typically
yeah.
F
F
Yeah
there's
Deborah
jetzer
I,
don't
know
if
I
pronounced
that
correctly.
She
has
her
hand.
A
D
D
It
looks
to
me
unless
you
want
to
right
now.
Ward
3
has
this
natural
boundary
of
the
train
line.
So
if
you
don't
want
to
mess
with
that,
the
only
thing
that
I
can
see
is
going
to
need
to
happen
is
everything
from
Ward
8
up
has
to
shift
upward
North,
because
if
you
gave
what's
overage
in
eight
and
two
to
nine
you're,
still
short
about
a
hundred
and
I,
don't
see
the
other
numbers,
because
this
is
percentages
so.
A
D
D
D
A
D
B
The
the
term
that
chair
Newsome
used
earlier
was
you
know
equally
how
equal
do
we
have
to
be?
Are
we
going
for
equal,
equal
or
just
equal
and
and
I
think
you
know
if
we
have
a
bit
of
over
at
your
underage?
That's
gets
us.
You
know
within
a
few
percentage
points
rather
than
this
large
swing.
I
think
we're
still
in
a
good
place
and
I
think
most
of
us
might
still
look
at
that
as
a
success.
F
I
I
think
it
another
thing
to
keep
in
mind
which
you
know
when
we're
you
looking
at
these
numbers,
you
know
one
large
apartment
building
or
you
know,
new
development
can
really
shift
the
numbers
and
so
I
think
you
know
I
I,
think
where
once
we
get
those
kind
of
block
by
block
numbers,
it's
going
to
be
a
little
bit
easier
to
figure
out,
because
there
is
some
uncertainty,
as
so
like
you
know,
because
obviously,
like
five
blocks
of
single-family
homes
is
going
to
have
a
much
smaller
population
impact
than
potentially
one
block
downtown
that
has
one
large
apartment
building.
F
So
once
we
get
those
kind
of
more
firm
census,
numbers
I,
think
things
will
things
will
come
to
light
a
little
bit
easier
than
right.
A
We
have
with
regards
to
multi-family
buildings.
We
have
had
some
discussions
along
the
lines
of
you
know.
We
know
there
are
some
new
multi-family
buildings
under
construction.
There
will
be
more
before
the
next
census
should
we
take
those
into
account
and
officially
the
answer
is
no.
You
know
we're
obligated
to
follow
the
2020
census
data
that
those
numbers
are
what
they
are
in
the
back
of
our
minds.
A
If
we
want
to
try
and
maybe
kind
of
future
proof
this
and
you
know
do
our
best
so
that
when
the
20
30
census
rolls
around
we're
still,
you
know
fairly
tight.
A
You
know
that's
something
we
might
want
to
think
of
when
the
committee
is
drawing
our
Maps,
but
we're
officially
obligated
to
balance
the
numbers
that
are
that
are
in
front
of
us.
A
So
councilmancodes
we
had
a
discussion
when
we
talked
about
the
fourth
ward
about
these
blocks
here
of
Main
Street,
which
are
now
in
the
fourth
ward,
as
as
you
can
see,
and
yeah
Fourth
Ward
needs
to
add
territory
as
well,
but
we
could.
Theoretically,
we
could
pick
that
up
elsewhere
and
since
the
ninth
award
needs
to
expand,
we
talked
you
know,
theoretically
about
what.
If
we
put
these
two
blocks
in
the
ninth
ward,.
A
I
tend
to
like
the
idea
of
keeping
those
Main
Street
businesses
in
one
Ward,
but
open
to
to
your
thoughts
on
the
matter
as
well.
F
I
mean
so
one
of
the
things
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
Jonathan,
the
you
know,
Ninth
Ward
is
pretty
unique
in
that
there's
not
a
main
like
business
district
and
so
I
think
it
kind
of
makes
sense
to
keep
those
in
the
in
the
fourth
ward.
F
You
know
kind
of
keeping
the
main
dumpster
mile.
You
know
kind
of
that
overview.
Again.
It's
and
I'm
trying
to
think
like
looking
at
the
map
like
the
new
multi-family
building
at
the
old
Vogue
Fabrics,
would
be
that's
in
the
fourth
board
right,
and
so
that's
that's
on
the
right.
H
H
F
Something
to
keep
in
mind
too,
as
as
we
and
I
I
off
the
top
of
my
head
I,
don't
know
how
many
units
that
that
is,
but
but
yeah
all
these
all
larger
developments
are
definitely
impactful
when
it
comes
to
this
type
of
work,
exactly.
B
Yeah
and
I'll,
just
on
that
same
sorry
to
jump
in,
but
on
that
same
note,
you
know
in
the
eighth
Ward
on
Howard
Street
it
to
factor
this
in
as
we're
thinking
about
the
ninth
ward,
you
know:
we've
got
the
new
senior
apartment,
Dan,
Rainey
senior
apartments,
we've
got
another
development,
that's
going
up
on
Chicago
and
Howard
and
hopefully
we'll
have
in
the
very
near
future,
pretty
large
development.
Also
on
Howard.
You
know
potentially,
but
we
have
two
definite
large
developments
that
are
that
are
one
online.
A
Was
the
Anne
Rini
building
inhabited
during
the
census?
No,
it
was
okay,
so
those
would
be
new
people,
yeah
yeah,
so
you
know
again.
We
we
can't
officially
count
those
people,
but
knowing
that
they
exist,
you
know.
Maybe
we,
you
know
undersize
the
eighth
Ward
by
just
a
smidge,
so
that
yeah
yeah
I
know
we're.
The
numbers
still
are
what
they
need
to
be
for
2020,
but
we
position
ourselves
for
20
30
for
potentially
not
having
to
redistrict
at
all
foreign.
A
One
and
in
Define
as
well,
and
anyone
else
who
wants
to
weigh
in
for
that
matter.
Our
current
map
has
borders
that
are
on
streets
rather
than
alleys.
A
How
would
you
feel-
and
this
is
a
theoretical
discussion,
but
it
could
apply
right
here
about
drawing
an
award
map.
B
D
B
Yes,
the
idea
I,
like
the
idea,
you
said
right
here
and
I
just.
A
Don't
see
yourself
right
right
here,
the
between
Custer
and
Sherman,
for
example,
where
the
new
Vogue
project
is
going
in.
F
It
could
potentially
help
too
because
I
think
sometimes
there's
some
confusion
with
folks.
When
you
know
their
neighbors
across
the
street
are
in
one
Ward
versus
the
other,
potentially
using
the
alley,
and
it
depends
you
know
it
then
I,
don't
think
any
of
us
have
this
map
in
the
Alleyways
memorized
here,
but
it
could
be
a
useful
way
to
kind
of
keep
kind
of
the
neighbor
keep
the
neighborhoods
intact.
F
When
making
this
doing
this
work
and
also
also
give
a
little
bit
more
wiggle
room
with
picking
up
population
one
way
or
the
other,
but
I
I
think
that's
something.
We
should
definitely
consider.
A
Yeah
I
think
it's
kind
of
case
by
case
I,
live
on
Dempster
and
are
across
the
street
neighbors,
because
it's
a
busy
street-
and
you
know
we
don't
feel,
as
you
know,
much
of
a
community
with
them,
as
we
do
the
neighbors
across
the
alley
behind
us.
A
So
it
sounds
like
the
committee
at
least
devonna
myself
and
councilmember
says
a
temporary
Committee
Member.
If
we
could
Elevate
you
to
that
status
are
at
least
comfortable
with
with
the
idea.
A
H
F
Here
so
and
that's
a
good
point,
there
is
there's
kind
of
a
natural
like
border
here
with
the
Cleveland
hartree
like
it
does
not
go
through
right,
so
I
I
mean
I
think
that
those
I
would
I
would
be
less
likely
to
pick
up
those
blocks
there
plus
I'm,
not
sure
you
know
a
lot
of
this
like
this.
Is
you
know
the
Food
For
Less?
Is
it's
a
lot
of
businesses.
F
This
yeah,
it's
like
here,
yeah
so
I,
don't
think
that
would
move
the
needle
as
much
as
the
the
the
the
because
I
know
like
east
of
of
Dodge.
There
there
are,
you
know
the
single
single
family
homes
and
there's
a
couple
of
apartment,
buildings
and
I
see
Nick
has
his.
F
G
Just
wanted
to
ask
Mr
chair
if
the
committee
is
considering
taking
any
population
out
of
the
second
ward
for
the
Fifth
Ward
I
know
that
we
haven't
gotten
there
yet,
but
as
we
talk
about
which
blocks
to
consider
for
the
second
ward,
the
committee,
you
know
the
natural
I
guess.
Another
bordering
war
that
is
losing
population
has
lost
population
of
the
Fifth
Ward.
So
I
don't
want
you
to
snatch
all
the
the
population
for
The
Ninth
Ward
and
we
get
to
the
Fifth
Ward
in
January
and
we're
like
wait
a
minute.
E
H
Which
I
want
to
be
clear
and
I
will
talk
about
this
more
I
I
do
not
support
that
I
do
support,
however,
second
ward
into
the
Fifth
Ward.
They
will
I
don't
want
to
get
caught
up
on
this
because
we'll
have
a
yeah,
a
big
meeting
coming
up
in
January
I
believe
to
discuss
the
fifth
War,
but
but
but
Council
Cummins
I
appreciate
you
pointing
that
out
here.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
good,
that's
a
good
point,
and
that's
one
of
the
downsides
of
having
this
kind
of
Ward.
Specific
word
by
word
conversation.
Is
that
we're
not?
We
can't
draw
a
word
map
in
isolation
of
the
rest
of
the
of
the
rest
of
the
city
so,
but
we
did
have
a
discussion
about
the
second
war
several
months
ago
and
talked
about
moving
some
of
these
blocks
here
up
into
the
Fifth
Ward
and
to
the
point
that
Juan
made
earlier.
A
A
And
incidentally
the
software
we're
going
to
use,
allows
us
to
do
these
calculations
really
quickly
and
automatically
so
it'll
be
fun
to
do
that.
Work
when
we
get
to
it.
A
So
I
think
what
we're
green
is
that
it
probably
makes
sense
to
move
some
of
the
eighth
Ward
into
the
ninth
ward.
Also
being
aware
that
the
pot,
the
current
population
of
the
eighth
Ward,
is
actually
larger
than
reported.
So
if
we
want
a
future
proof,
maybe
we
even
make
the
eighth
Ward,
you
know
slightly,
you
know
less
than
par
move,
at
least
some
of
these
blocks.
At
least
these
blocks
here,
east
of
Dodge,
from
the
second,
until
the
ninth,
potentially
some
other
territory
here
as
well.
A
A
And
having
this
you
know,
Main
Street
is
a
fairly
fairly
firm
kind
of
community
border
here.
So
to
move
everything
south
of
Main
Street
from
the
second
ward
into
the
ninth
ward,
doesn't
seem
like
like
a
bad
idea.
F
Could
like
geographically,
it
kind
of
makes
sense,
I'm,
not
sure,
without
seeing
the
the
the
actual
population
I
think
that
probably
put
put
it
as
as
too
big
I
would
just
that
would
be
my
initial
guess,
but
yeah
we
can
I
mean
all
this
I
think
will
come
a
little
bit
clearer
when
we,
when
we
see
the
block
by
block
numbers
but
yeah
yeah.
H
A
Okay,
this
was
a
fairly
quick
conversation.
Does
anybody
else
want
a
weigh
in
with
any
thoughts
or
comments
or
suggestions.
G
F
So
one
of
the
things
I,
I,
think
and
I'll
just
share
my
opinion.
It
it
at
least
for
for
the
ninth
or
it
it
seems
like
it
when
you're
looking
at
the
neighborhoods,
it's
kind
of
hard
to
like
know
like
that
scene,
like
the
other
side
of
the
tracks,
I
I,
don't
really
know
as
much
what's
going
on
like
me
personally
there
it
it
would
seem,
I,
don't
know
how
many.
F
How
many
buildings,
or
how
many
blocks
we'd
have
to
pick
up?
It
just
seems
like
it's.
It's
just
kind
of
like
a
natural
border.
That
would
be
my
kind
of.
G
G
Know
one
of
one
of
the
factors
the
committee
is
considering
is
you
know
continuity
and
Community
yeah
right?
So
so,
if
those,
if
those,
if
that
doesn't
make
sense,
it
doesn't
make
sense.
I
just
wanted
to
point
out,
because
obviously
the
Third
Ward
is
going
to
be
a
great
source
of
picking
up
people.
Yeah.
A
C
A
If
I
could
summarize
the
conversation
as
I
recall
it,
when
we
focused
on
the
Third
Ward
at
a
redistricting
committee
meeting,
it
was
fairly
clear
that
the
portion
of
the
Third
Ward
north
of
Dempster
would
have
to
go
somewhere
else
to
the
either
the
first
or
the
fourth
ward,
and
we
also
talked
about
in
these
I.
Don't
know
if
you
can
see
my
cursor,
but
some
more
of
the
Third
Ward
East
I'm,
sorry
west
of
Chicago,
going
to
the
fourth
ward.
A
But
again
this
was
all
part
of
kind
of
a
qualitative
discussion
award
by
Ward
we're
not
making
any
firm
decisions
until
we
take
all
the
input
in
and
and
are
looking
at
the
whole
map.
But
if
I
think
I
would
be
surprised
if
the
Third
Ward
maintained
any
territory
north
of
Dempster.
C
C
So
if
I'm,
not
mistaken,
I
think
of
when
Baptiste
was
saying
I
think
Robert
Crown
was
a
part
of
the
second
war.
I
have
no
idea
why
it
was
moved
into
because,
probably
because
of
redistrict
redistricting
it
was
moved
into
the
fourth
I.
Don't
I
have
no
clue,
but
I
is
there
are
no
residents
there,
but
I.
Don't
know
why
it's
not
a
part
of
the
second
ward.
It's
confusing,
because
I
live
over
near
the
area
and
you
get
right
across
the
street
is
the
second
ward
and
then
you've
got
yeah.
H
A
Yeah
we
have,
you
know
we
we've
talked
about
that
and
if
you,
if
you
look
at
the
census
map,
let
me
zoom
in
here,
can
we
get
the
census
map,
as
I
recall,
does
show
a
handful
of
people
in
this
block.
A
And
I
think
that's
just
kind
of
a
relic
of
of
how
the
government
computer
counts
things
and
how
it
randomly
distributes
population
because
of
privacy
concerns.
It
can't
pinpoint
people
in
exact
locations,
so
I
think
this
block
might
show
up
as
having
a
population
of
two
or
three
people,
even
though
we
know
no
one
actually
lives
there.
A
A
A
B
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
with
one
thing
we
were
talking
about
the
Third,
Ward
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
note.
You
know:
I
I
appreciate
Nick,
noting
that
we
don't
have
to
Focus.
Just
on
you
know
the
train
track
being
a
natural
barrier,
I'm
really
interested
in
there's
a
you
know
again:
there's
keeping
areas
and
and
constituents
that
are
alike
together.
There's
the
new
development,
that's
happening
in
the
ninth
ward
right
near
the
cemetery,
just
off
of
Chicago
Avenue.
B
That
will
be
a
more
you
know:
lower
income
or
moderate
income
development-
and
you
know
I,
think
you
know
if
we
were
to
jump
across
the
tracks
and
to
make
some
moves
to
again
put
more
like
neighborhoods
in
the
Ninth
Ward
and
maybe
use
that
to
capture
a
bit
for
they.
If
we
drop
too
low
I
think
it
would
make
sense
to
get
that
block
where,
where
that
development
is
in
order
to
you
know,
make
sure
that
they're
you
know,
voices
aren't
deluded
amongst.
B
B
Going
to
be
right
at
the
corner
right
across
the
train
tracks
here
we're
at
South
Boulevard,
just
off
of
the
cemetery
near
South
Boulevard
in
Chicago
down.
B
F
A
D
Thank
you.
Just
going
back
to
I
am
a
resident
of
Ward
one
I
live
in
Sherman,
Plaza
and
I
recall
this
being
mentioned
at
a
previous
meeting,
or
maybe
even
at
a
council
meeting,
but
the
the
desire
perhaps
to
have
multiple
representation
in
the
downtown
area
and
right
now,
I
know
Ward.
Four
and
Ward
one
have
like
Fountain.
Square
is
split
in
half
between
one
and
four,
but
is
are
the
committee
members
still
looking
at
getting
more
award
representation
in
the
actual
downtown
area?
And
how
would
you
go
about
doing
that.
A
We
have
that,
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
and
maybe
I
should
have
mentioned
that
earlier.
We
have
discussed
that
in
kind
of
reconfirmed
our
desire
to
continue
having
the
downtown
represented
by
ideally,
three
council
members,
at
least
two
at
least
two.
You
know
right
now,
it's
represented
by
the
first
second
and
fourth,
but
the
second
is
oversize
and
needs
to
lose
territory.
So
we
we
don't
want
to
have
downtown
represented
by
just
one
council
member.
D
Okay,
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
Have
you
looked
at
which
other
Wards,
if
you,
if
it
was
still
one
in
four
and
I,
know
three
has
too
many,
so
that's
going
to
keep
getting
pushed
down
to
more
the
dumpster
mile.
A
D
A
A
But
yeah
because
this
section
of
the
second
ward
has
a
bit
of
downtown,
but
it's
not
kind
of
central
to
the
core
of
the
second
ward.
You
know
we're
not
quite
sure,
what's
going
to
happen
with
with
this
section
of
the
second
ward
here.
A
A
And
we
did
have
that
discussion
at
our
meeting
last
month
about
with
regards
to
749
First
Ward,
somehow
making
them
a
little
bit
more
compact.
D
Okay
and
back
to
Ward
one
my
concern
about
getting
more
representation.
There
is
because
there
are
so
many
significant
things
going
on
in
Ward,
one
in
the
downtown
area,
with
developments
and
possible
developments
or
redevelopments.
That
I
just
think
it's
critical
critical
to
get
much
more,
not
just
influence
in
ideas
but
actual
help
in
in
doing
planning
and
recruiting,
and
all
of
that
that
needs
to
go
into
revitalizing
the
downtown
area.
A
D
A
D
Makes
it
really
I'm
looking
at
Sherman
Plaza,
which,
when
I
ask
management
how
many
people
live
in
the
building
250
units
it
could
be
anywhere?
I
was
told
from
350
to
500
people
they're
not
even
sure
how
to
count
it
because
of
owners
versus
snowbirds
versus
Northwestern
students,
and
all
of
that
and
I
wonder
how
many
more
numbers
are
impacted
like
that
throughout
the
city
because
of
it
being
a
university
town,
and
is
there
a
way
to
get
numbers
that
are
more
accurate
than
just
the
census?.
D
A
But
in
fact
we
had
a
conversation
along
those
lines
last
time
when
talking
about
the
student
population
and
the
fact
that
the
pandemic
wasn't
full
swing
of
April
of
in
April
of
2020,
so
we
might
have
under
counted.
You
know.
In
a
normal
year
there
might
have
been
a
a
larger
student
population
in
town.
A
But
you
know
we
will
never
know
for
sure
and
we're
obligated
to
use
the
the
Census
Data
as
published.
A
All
right
well,
this
might
have
been
one
of
the
most
efficient
conversations.
You
know,
maybe
due
to
the
the
Simplicity
of
of
the
issues
at
hand
with
the
eighth
and
9th
Wards,
but
unless
there
is
anybody
else
who
wants
to
weigh
in
committee
members
or
members
of
the
public
going
once
going
twice
and.