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A
B
A
Councilman
burns
is
president
council
member
wynn
here,
and
I
council,
member
nussma
and
president
we're
expecting
council
member
reed
in
just
a
few
minutes.
Our
first
order
of
business
this
evening
is
to
approve
the
minutes
of
our
last
meeting.
If
somebody
would
like
to
make
a
motion
that
was
the
the
june
meeting.
C
I
move
approval
of
the
june.
A
redistricting
committee
mean
it
minutes.
D
A
It's
been
properly
moved
by
council
member
nguyen
seconded
by
council
member
burns,
all
in
favor,
please
say:
aye
aye.
C
A
Any
opposed
the
minutes
of
the
june
meeting
are
approved
by
unanimous
vote
and
let
the
record
reflect
the
council.
Member
reed
has.
E
A
Us
as
well
so
full
contingent
of
committee
members
is
present
and
we
will
continue
with
our
discussion
tonight.
A
As
I
had
said
earlier,
we
are
going
to
spend
this
meeting
and
the
next
several
meetings
going
through
the
wards
kind
of
one
by
one
to
consider
factors
that
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
for
when
we
do
redraw
the
map.
The
intention
for
the
meeting
tonight
and
for
the
next
several
meetings
is
not
to
redraw
the
map
in
real
time,
but
just
take
a
look
at,
for
example,
tonight
we're
looking
at
wards
two
and
four
ward.
Two
is
a
little
bit
big
ward.
Four
is
a
little
bit
small.
A
So
as
we
compare
those
two
awards
with
other
adjoining
awards,
you'll
and
keeping
in
mind
our
commitment
to
kind
of
keep
this
process
simple
we're
going
to
be
thinking
about
the
border
areas
of
the
wards
and
and
factors
to
consider,
as
we
eventually
get
to
the
point,
we're
going
to
be
where
we're
going
to
be
redrawing
some
lines
here.
A
Okay,
do
you
see
the
presentation
mode,
or
do
you
see
there?
We
go
that
might
be
a
little
bit
easier
for
folks,
yep,
that's
good,
okay,
good!
So
just
a
quick
look
at
the
big
picture
here,
our
ward
populations
are
out
of
balance.
The
total
deviation
is
20.4
percent
and
our
intent
in
that
pro
in
this
process
is
to
get
that
number
down
as
close
to
zero
as
possible
by
federal
guidelines.
A
It
has
to
be
below
10
percent,
but
ideally
we
would
like
that
to
be
close
to
zero
and
again
that's
the
difference.
Percentage-Wise
between
the
largest
above
average
ward
and
the
smallest
below
average
ward,
that
total
swing
needs
to
be
as
close
to
zero
as
possible,
and
so
factors
that
we
are
considering
as
we
go
through
this
process
were
enumerated
in
the
ordinance
ordinance
in
2003..
A
As
we
have
discussed
in
previous
meetings.
We
are
not
limiting
ourselves
to
this
list
for
this
process,
and
so
we're
certainly
able
to
take
other
factors
into
consideration
in
this.
The
2023
process
here,
but
this
list
you
know,
serves
as
a
as
a
good
starting
point
for
discussion,
at
least
if
we
want
to
add
to
this
list
for
the
the
ordinance
that
will
be
coming
out
of
this
process.
A
We
are
certainly
able
to
do
that,
and
so,
let's
now
get
down
to
brass
tacks
and
and
start
to
have
the
the
interesting
conversations
that
we're
gonna
get
into
starting
with
the
second
ward.
The
second
ward
is
oversized
by
by
five
percent
2010's.
A
A
So
this
is
not
going
to
be
a
simple
solution
of
just
shifting
some
population
from
the
second
ward,
to
the
ninth
ward,
for
example,
which
is
why
we're
not
going
to
get
into
redrawing
the
map
tonight,
because
if,
since
we're
looking
at
just
one
ward
at
a
time,
it's
not
a
holistic
perspective,
but
it
does
allow
us
to
have
to
have
a
reasonable
conversation.
A
Looking
at
the
second
ward,
demographics,
the
population
of
the
second
ward
has
increased
by
actually
more
than
10
percent.
It's
up
978
people
since
the
2010
census,
that's
total
population.
If
we
look
at
the
demographics,
the
the
black
population
is
shrinking,
but
the
number
of
residents
who
identify
as
two
or
more
races
is
significantly
increasing.
A
And
I
will
repeat
at
this
point
our
commitment
that
we,
you
know
confirmed
in
previous
committee
meetings,
that
we
intend
our
desire
to
after
we
do
this
redistricting
process.
We
we
desire
to
have
three
wards
which
are
majority
non-white
and
so
we'll
keep
that
in
mind
as
we
as
we
go
through
this
process
as
well.
A
So
here
are
the
numbers:
here's
what
it
looks
like
here's,
what
it
looks
like
graphically
and
just
as
a
point
of
information
here,
oops
as
a
point
of
information
here,
it's
not
as
if
we
have
some
people
living
on
the
eths
campus
here,
the
way
this
map
was
prepared,
each
dot
represents,
I
believe,
three
people
and
the
algorithm
goes
by
census
block,
and
you
know
it's,
the
the
number
of
dots
for
each
census
block
are
randomized
with
it.
A
You
know
geographically
within
that
census
block,
so
I
was
confused
by
that
at
first,
but
but
that
makes
sense
if
you
think
about
it,
so
so
here's
here's
where
we're
at
you
know,
ward
two
is:
I
gotta.
Do.
F
A
A
There
we
go
second
ward.
Second
ward
is
oversized
by
432
people.
The
boarding
awards
are
all
smaller.
So
what
I
would
like
to
do
now,
if
it
makes
sense
to
the
committee,
is
just
to
kind
of
go
through
in
ward
order
like
if
we
were
going
to
ship
some
population
from
ward
2
to
ward
1.
A
C
Yeah,
I
think
it
makes
sense
as
long
as
we
recognize
that
this
is
that
this
is
a
an
exercise.
That's
not
being
that's
a
bit
in
isolation.
Yes,
you
know.
Obviously,
if
you
looked
at
ward,
one
or
ward
three,
you
know
we'd
have
slightly
different
solutions
exactly
that
balance.
Eventually,
this
is
going
to
be
a
melding
of
all
of
the
solutions
that
we're
looking
at.
A
Exactly
and
that's
the
intent
here
guys
so
we're
like
we're
not
going
to
be
redrawing
the
map
in
real
time
here,
because
what
we
do
for
ward
2
is
going
to
have
a
domino
effect
on
other
wars
and
in
order
to
have
you
know,
a
kind
of
cohesive
conversation
we'll
limit
it
to
just
you
know,
for.
A
A
Then
once
we
have
all
that
input
in
hand,
we
will
then
look
at
the
whole
map
and
and
and
draw
some
new
lines
and
come
up
with
some
a
map,
two
maps,
maybe
three
maps
that
we
will
consider
and
then
present
to
the
public
for
additional
comment.
A
Since
I'm
sharing
screen
here,
I
can't
see
anybody
else,
but
the
intent
here
is
to
have
just
kind
of
an
open
conversation
with
committee
members
and
and
members
of
the
public
as
well
and
so
kena.
If
you
could,
if
I
could
ask
for
your
help
and
if
people
are
raising
their
hand
or
if,
if,
if
it's
a
small
number
of
community
participants
at
this
point,
just
feel
free
to
jump
in
and
we'll
we'll
do
it
that
way,
if
it
it,
if
it
if
it
remains
manageable,.
C
I
think
one
of
the
values
that
we
that
that
we
have
one
of
the
valuable
aspects
of
our
board
maps
that
we
have
right
now,
is
that
there
are
three
three
council
members
who
who
whose
wards
can
contain
portions
of
the
downtown,
and
I
think
that
that's
proven
over
time
to
be
a
very
good
balance.
F
C
It
has
always
been
valuable
to
have
the
second
ward
alderman
council
member,
be
involved
with
the
downtown
issues,
just
like
the
first
ward
and
the
fourth
ward
counter
had
been
over
time.
Now
I
mean
if
you,
if
you
shifted
some
of
that,
to
become
the
fifth
ward
into
the
fifth
ward.
That
would
retain
that
third
council
member
who's,
who
has
who's
ward,
who
has
some
portion
of
their
award,
be
the
downtown.
C
H
Like
darlene
tina
peyton,
oh
hey,
tina
hi,
so
the
area
that
you're
discussing
right
now
would
be
my
house.
I
H
And
I,
from
years
ago,
the
council
has
never
addressed
even
that
it's
still
called
the
research
park.
H
H
Have
you
thought
about
this?
Yet.
A
Yes
and
no
yeah,
we
are
aware
that
there
are
other
maps
like
school
district
maps
and
cdbg
maps
and
other
boundaries
in
town
that
may
or
may
not
currently
be
contiguous
with
ward
boundaries,
but
we
have
acknowledged
in
previous
meetings
that
those
kind
of
things
are
something
that
we
will
think
about
as
we
go
through
this
process.
A
In
answer
to
your
specific
question
about
property
taxes,
you
know
whether
this
just
to
take
an
example
here
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
my
my
mouse,
but
this
block
right
here
of
the
second
ward
north
of
emerson.
If,
if
that
moves
to
the
fifth
ward,
is
that
gonna
have
any
impact
on
their
property
taxes?
A
A
H
Because
that
those
have
very
specific
guidelines
and
a
lot
of
the
things
aren't
research
park
like
e2
and
a
lot
of
those
buildings
are
not
research
park
anymore,
right
and
so
we'll
have
to
see
how
that's
gonna
work.
And
then
I
know
that
there's,
I
think,
there's
a
portion
of
ward
1.
That
is
that
as
well,
but
this
part
just
passed
emerson.
H
H
Well,
go
ahead.
I
I
just
you
know,
are
very
concerned
when
you're
moving
things
around
how
it's
gonna
affect
the
voting
and
taxes
and
everything.
A
Yeah
got
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
miss
payton.
So
if
we're
looking
again
we're
looking
at
ward
two
compared
to
the
first
ward
here,
council
member
wynn
has
made
the
point
that
it's
desirable
to
keep
downtown
to
have
downtown
continue
to
be
represented
by
three
council
members.
J
Thank
you,
yeah.
Looking
at
the
map,
my
concern
is
with
the
the
lineage
of
numbers
of
census
of
black
residents.
Why
is
the
second
ward,
extending
north
of
church
street
in
that
area
between
the
railroad
tracks
up
here,
especially
since
yeah?
We
already
have
a
large
population
of
new
residents
in
church
street
village
that
are
in
the
second
ward
already,
and
I
just
don't
see
the
benefit
other
than
diminishing
the
effectiveness
of
the
black
boat
by
adding
that
area
in
purple
north
of
church.
J
A
J
But
now
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
right
there!
Okay
and
if
you
go
to
lion
street,
which
is
a
fifth
ward,
it
stops
there
yeah
that's
what
I'm
talking
about
that
area
there
on
church
street
all
the
way
over
to
ashland.
So
there's
wesley
and
right.
J
Asbury
right
that
area,
like
I
said
it's
already
enough
new
residents
on
church
street
village.
So
basically
I
would
like
the
fifth
ward
boundary
to
extend
or
continuous,
extend
down
to
church
street
to
the
south
right
being
removed
to
the
second
ward.
J
Because
lion
street
on
the
1700
block
is
already
second
ward
and
the
east
side
of
daryl
in
the
1700
move
there
over
a
little
bit
to
the
right.
There
is
already
in
the
second
wheel,
so
our
ward
is
split
in
half
on
daryl
street
yeah
1700
block
west
is
fifth
and
second
is
east.
So
I
would
like
to
have
that
included
into
the
fifth
ward
for
purposes
of
equal
representation,
since
we
are
we're
the
only
group
that
I
see
in
your
statistics-
blacks
that
are
losing
population.
A
Each
other
to
each
other,
you
can't
have
yeah
yeah.
You
need
to
be
able
to
get
from
in
any
place
in
the
second
ward
to
any
other
place
in
the
second
ward,
without
leaving
the
second
ward.
A
So
yeah,
that's
that's
a
possibility
yeah!
Rather
we
theoretically,
we
could
drop
this
border
down
to
right
there,
theoretically,
mm-hmm,
and
so
I,
if
we're
kind
of
summarizing,
you
would
like
to
see
we're
jumping
ahead.
I
was
gonna
just
to
keep
on
track.
Go
through.
You
know
the
borders,
one.
Four,
five
and
nine
we're
talking
about
the
fifth
ward
border
right
now,
no
big
deal,
but
you
would
like
to
see
at
least
some
of
this
remain
go.
Go
to
the
fifth
ward.
A
Nobody's
transferring
anybody
anywhere.
Yet,
oh
okay,
right!
That's
what
we're
that's
what
we're
talking
about
here,
but
we
know
one
way
of
of
getting
this
ward
2
number
down
from
plus
432
and
balancing
this
minus
seven
of
five
and
the
fifth
ward
is
to
move
some
of
these
blocks
here
into
the
fifth
ward.
D
That's
what
your
point
is,
I
think
one
of
the
issues
is
some
somewhere.
It
got
out
there
that
the
fifth
ward
would
be
diminished.
I've
heard
that
as
well
and
as
the
chair
is
saying,
it's
the
opposite.
D
The
fifth
ward
needs
to
get
larger
and
what
mr
sutton
said
is
consistent
with
what
I've
what
I
said
earlier
on,
and
maybe
our
first
meeting,
that
there
are
some
obvious
areas
which
is
predominantly
or
really
exactly
what
mr
sutton
described,
where
the
fifth
ward,
I
think,
should
just
naturally
get
bigger
to
make
it
less
confusing,
and
he
described
those
areas.
I
C
So
that
that
might
be
a
little
bit
confusing
to
people
when
we're
looking
at
things.
A
Right
there
that's
a
that's
a
perk,
that's
not
the
fifth
award
a
little
bit
confusing,
but
yeah
point
taken
yeah.
You
know
the
challenge
the
committee
is
going
to
have
is
if
we
want
to
maintain
second
ward
representation,
downtown
somehow
making
sure
that
we're
not
cutting
off
that
portion
of
the
second
ward
from
this
portion
of
the
second
ward,
so
that
might
mean
changing
the
the
fourth
ward
border.
E
Hi,
thank
you
very
much.
I
I
understand
what
and
I'm
a
little
late
I
was
on
channel
16
and
it
never
came
on,
but
a
representation
downtown
in
the
fifth
and
fourth
ward.
I
I
agree
with
aldermen
when
I
do
think
is
important
to
that.
E
The
second
ward,
as
well
as
the
fifth
ward,
half
representation
downtown,
and
I
think
I
don't
know
how
we're
going
to
do
it,
how
that
can
be
done
so
that
the
second
ward
maintain
representation
downtown
or
unless
they
cut
into
well,
you
don't
want
to
cut
into
the
fourth
war,
but
and-
and
then
the
other
point
I
have
is
that
the
parks.
E
A
E
And
in
the
second
ward,
so
I
feel
that
my
represe,
the
representation
for
the
second
ward,
is
not
represented
fairly
in
this
meeting,
because
our
alderman,
we
do
not
have
a
councilman
yet,
and
I
don't
know
why
this
meeting
was
not
canceled.
Until
that
decision
is
made.
A
A
And
then
the
committee
is
going
to
take
the
feedback
and
draw
several
potential
maps
with
the
feedback
that
we've
received
and
we
will
share
those
maps
with
the
public
and
then
receive
some
public
input
on
these
proposed
maps.
A
And
this
takes
us
through
early
next
year,
and
it's
not
going
to
be
until
may
of
next
year
that
the
council
that
this
committee
formally
makes
a
recommendation
to
city
council
and
so
that
it
leaves
us
more
than
enough
time
for
the
second
ward
vacancy
to
be
filled
and
for
us
to
receive
some
input
from
from
whoever
our
new
colleague
is
going
to
be.
In
the
second
ward.
B
Yeah
come
to
chair.
If
I
can
jump
in,
I
I
one
just
yeah.
Thank
you
for
that
great
explanation,
but
I
do
also
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
to
miss
reid,
that
you
know
I'll
apologize
that
I
that
that
I
didn't.
B
I
didn't
think
of
that,
given
that
we
are
going
to
be
doing
this
process
over
the
next
several
months,
we
we
probably
should
have
held
off
on
this
meeting
until
you
know
later
in
the
year
later
september
or
early
november,
in
order
to
ensure
that
there
was
a
representative
in
the
second
ward
in
place
when
this
meeting
took
effect,
but
there
will
be
great
greater
opportunity,
as
councilman
bernie
sanders
said.
B
I
I
also
want
to
want
to
just
point
out
as
we're
discussing
redrawing
the
the
maps
and
particularly
what
downtown
may
look
like
and
how
that
may
be.
Divvied
up.
You
know
I
I
I
wonder,
you
know
how
you
know,
given
our
equity
lens,
and
you
know,
our
understanding
of
downtown
is
the
economic
core
of
the
city,
and
you
know
the
history
of
downtown,
maybe
not
being
the
most
welcoming
place
to
folks
of
color.
B
A
Needs
to
grow
just
oh.
B
I'm
sorry,
okay
and
the
fourth
one
also
needs
to
grow
yeah,
okay.
Well
I
mean
even
so
we
can.
We
can
move
the
boundaries
a
bit,
but
you
know
thinking
about
both
of
those
wards.
The
potential
of
that,
I
think,
could
really
shift
the
dynamics
in
the
city,
and
you
know,
put
us
in
a
stronger
place
with
achieving
our
equity
goals
and
making
the
city
more
inviting
for
all.
A
Okay,
I
am
I'm
taking
minutes
for
this
meeting,
so
I'm
writing
down
all
the
comments
as
we
go
through
them
here.
D
Let's
think
and
chair,
I
have
one
comment
that
again
I
have
you
know.
I
really
see
value
in
and
all
the
comments
people
are
making,
but
this
is
just
a
note
that
one
thing
about
the
second
ward
is
they
have
two,
maybe
three,
but
I
know
two
pretty
large
commercial
areas
or
business
areas.
D
You
know,
I
think,
about
themselves
and
along
main
street
and-
and
I
think
it
makes
it-
it
makes
sense
to
continue
to
have
the
second
ward
downtown,
but
I
think
if
we
had
to
choose
between
three
or
four,
especially
in
trying
to
keep
wars,
contiguous,
that's
just
something
to
keep
in
mind
that
the
second
war
does
have
quite
a
bit
of
businesses
and
business
districts
to
represent.
A
I
D
A
This
whole
process,
by
talking
about
the
one
ward
that
doesn't
currently
have
a
council
member,
but
what
it
could
have
should
I
yeah.
A
D
F
D
A
A
Let's
talk
about
ward
two
compared
to
in
in
ward
four
and
this
border
here,
which
it's
always
kind
of
bugged
me
that
it's
it's
kind
of
zigzagging
like
this,
and
so
I'll.
Just
put
it
out
there
that
I
wouldn't
mind
if
somehow
this
this
border
is
just
straightened
out
and
rationalized
a
little
bit
just
to
make
it
cleaner
and
neater.
C
That
I
mean
that
makes
sense.
It's
always
confusing
for
people
to
to
to
cross
the
street
and
discover.
I
C
That
they're
in
another
ward,
or
especially
like
that
block
in
particular,
is
that
block
of
the
second
ward.
There.
C
A
H
You
know
the
numbers,
so
the
population
of
the
areas
that
you're
talking
about.
A
H
A
I
A
A
Okay,
okay,
I
apologize
for
that
root
interruption,
but
thank
you
luke
for
for
taking
care
of
that.
I'm
sorry!
Let's,
let's
mute
that
person
as
well!
Apologies
for
that
rude
and
in
inappropriate
offensive
interruption.
Everybody
thank
you,
luke
and
kina
for
for
managing
that.
D
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
make
a
note
that
and
never
had
these
issues
on
google,
and
so
I
I
would
you
know
I
don't
know
if
city
manager
still
is
on
online,
but
I
almost
feel
we
should
fully
switch
to
to
google
me.
I
think,
for
whatever
reason,
it
seems
like
it's
much
easier
to
safeguard
from
these
type
of
situations.
So
how
are
you.
D
The
fifth
ward
meetings
have
been
meetings
that
I've
been
on,
have
been
zoom
bombed
a
lot,
but
since
we
switched
to
only
google
me,
we
haven't
dealt
with
it.
So
I
don't
know
what
that
means.
City
manager
stoke
can
speak
to
it
better
than
I
can
all.
A
Right,
thank
you
councilmember
burns
and
again
apologies
for
the
inappropriate
defensive
interruption
to
our
civil
discussion
here
so
back
on
track.
If
I
could,
if
luka
keen,
if
you
could
allow
me
to
share
my
screen
again,
we'll
continue
talking
about
the
second
and
fourth
ward
border.
A
All
right
there
we
go
all
right
so
yeah.
If
we're
going
to
clean
up
this
border.
It
sounds
like
there
is
not
any
objection
to
just
kind
of
smoothing
that
line
out.
If,
if
that's
what
it
takes
to
balance
the
numbers
and
kind
of
clean
up
the
map,
I'm
curious
councilmember,
when,
if
you
know
why
robert
crown
is
in
the
fourth
ward,
rather
than
the
second
ward,
because
geographically,
it
would
just
be
a
little
bit
cleaner
if,
if
this
whole
block
we're
in
the
second
one.
C
I
think
actually
believe
it
or
not.
The
second
and
fourth
ward.
I
think,
if
you
go
back
and
look
at
the
prior
map
yeah,
it
was
like
a
stair
staircase
down.
A
Yeah
two
times
yeah
it
second
and
fourth
ward-
have
moved
from
like
an
east-west
orientation
two
maps
ago
and
then
the
previous
map
to
this
one
was
kind
of
a
stair
step
and
it's
it's
kind
of
shifting
from
an
east
west
to
north
south
orientation.
As
history
unfolds
here,.
C
And,
and
so
I
think
that
in
that
stair
step,
robert
crown
ended
up
was
somewhere
in
that
stair
step
and
that
had
been
traditionally
for
in
the
fourth
ward.
C
Remained
in
the
fourth
ward,
because
the
fourth
ward
alderman
at
the
time
steve
bernstein,
had.
I
A
C
Crown
recreation
center,
but
you'd
have
to
get
him
on
the
phone
to
have
him
and
lionel.
You
know
steve.
A
A
C
A
Yeah
and
it
doesn't
help
the
knight
forward,
but
let's
talk
about
this
border
here
between
the
second
and
ninth
and
ninth-
is
going
to
have
to
get
a
lot
bigger
and
the
way
it's
going
to
work
out
is
probably
a
lot
of
that
is
going
to
come
from
the
second
ward,
and
so
we're
going
have
a
separate
meeting
to
talk
about
the
ninth
ward,
which
is
probably
the
more
appropriate
time
to
talk
about
which
of
these
blocks.
A
C
A
C
A
Okay,
we've
had
a
really
good
productive
and,
for
the
most
part,
civil,
with
the
exception
of
our
zoom
bombing,
a
good
conversation
here
about
the
second
ward.
Before
we
move
on
to
a
focus
on
the
fourth
order.
Anything
else
that
anybody
wants
to
add
about
about
the
second
ward.
E
This
is
cindy
reed.
I
have
my
hand
up.
E
The
last
the
ninth
ward,
it
starts
at
washington.
I
E
Talked
about
the
shopping
centers,
I
think
over
in
the
second
ward.
I
also
want
to
make
mention,
I
think,
on
howard
street
there's
a
shopping
center
as
well,
and
we
want
to
keep
that
in
mind.
E
I
think
we
have
two.
I
think
two
three
shopping
centers
and
I
think
on
howard
street,
that
we
have
jewels
and
other
stores
over.
A
All
right,
I'm
going
to
move
on
to
the
fourth
ward,
then,
and
we'll
have
a
similar
conversation
about
the
fourth
ward,
and
what
we're
looking
at
here
is
a
ward
that
is
undersized
by
2.4
total
of
206
people,
which
is
hasn't
really
changed
much
in
the
last
10
years.
Despite
the
fact
that
the
fourth
world
population
has
increased,
we
are
still
undersized
by
two
and
a
half
percent.
A
Just
over
200
people,
the
fourth
ward
popul,
has
lost
white
population
gained
a
small
number
of
black
evanstonians
and,
as
with
the
second
ward,
we
have
gained
significantly
a
number
of
residents
who
identify
with
two
or
more
races,
and
we
have
added
some
hispanic
population
as
well.
So
those
are
the
numbers
here.
A
That's
what
it
looks
like
graphically.
No
surprises
there
really,
but
you
know,
let's
talk
about
now,
how
we
can
make
the
fourth
ward
larger
and
again
we
will
go
through
this.
You
know
kind
of
in
in
numerical
order
of
bordering
wards.
A
Give
me
a
second
while
I
make
some
notes
here
so
for
talking
about
downtown
fourth
ward
and
first
ward.
I
agree
with
councilmember
nguyen
that
we
should
have
at
you
know
at
least
three
wards
representing
downtown,
and
I,
as
the
council
member
for
the
fourth
ward.
I
do
enjoy
and
appreciate
representing
a
portion
of
downtown.
A
Having
said
that,
I'm
not
necessarily
married
to
this
particular
arrangement,
which
strikes
me
as
a
little
bit
odd
and
if,
if
all
we're
doing
is
drawing
shapes
that
that
are
as
simple
as
possible,
we
might
want
to
consider
moving
putting
this
block,
and
maybe
this
block
into
the
fourth
ward
and
maybe
giving
this
block
to
the
first
award.
If
we
needed
to
do
that,
which
I
wouldn't
be,
which
I
wouldn't
be
opposed
to,
I
think
that's
something
worth
considering.
K
Good,
thank
you.
So
the
only
thing
I
see
with
that
is
that
if
you
remove
that
block
of
the
davis
to
church,
but
then
you
add
that
little
strip
we
still
end
up
with
kind
of
a
contorted
like
it
seems
to
me
either
just
I
mean.
Why
would
you
remove?
It
just
seems
like
we're
still
ending
up
with
sort
of
a
contorted
figuration.
A
Yeah,
the
idea
would
be
to
make
it
less
contorted,
but
we
might
not
we're
not
going
to
end
up
with
perfect
squares
here.
K
Right
but
I
wouldn't
then
remove
your
davis.
I
mean
it
just
seems
like
if
we're
looking
at
that,
you
would
just
fill
that
in
and
obviously
we're
going
to
need
to
shift
first
forward
more
into
northwestern
or
more
into
the
seventh
ward,
but
yeah,
I
wouldn't
say
it
just
seems
to
me
I
mean
I
don't
really
for
me.
I
don't
have
any
personal
preference,
but
if
you're
looking
to
kind
of
block
it
out
more,
it
would
just
be
to
fill
in
that
area
between
to.
C
A
C
And
it
actually
would
make
more
sense
not
to
have
that,
but
to
actually
have
it
be
contiguous,
and
I
think
there
are
other
ways
to
add
to
shift
population
from
like,
and
we've
discussed
this
many
times
from
the
third
word
into
the
first
word
so
that
the
first
word,
the
second
word
and
whatever
that
third
word,
whatever
second
or
fourth
second
or
fifth,
word-
represent
the
downtown
that
that
that's
not
jeopardized
by
dividing
up
the
the
downtown
pie.
I
C
I
think
there
are
ways
to
appropriately
balance
the
first
word
without
having,
without
necessarily
taking
from
the
second
ward
or
or
the
fourth
ward,
certainly.
K
K
There
to
relinquish
that
to
the
first
and
again,
we
see
that
boundaries
do
traverse
the
the
lines,
the
train
lines.
So
that's
not
so
we
can
look
at
that
in
terms
of
the
fourth
into
the
third,
the
third
that
exceeds
where
you
could
actually
take.
Perhaps
some
of
the
you
know-
third
ward
also,
I
mean
fourth
ward
already
occupies
it
does
have
as
exists
a
large
portion
of
downtown.
I
K
I
A
It
would
I
mean
it
would
makes
if
the
numbers
made
sense
to
essentially,
if
you
can
see
my
mouse
you
to
trade,
this
block
for
this
block.
You
know
that
would
clean
up
the
map
yeah,
but
you
know
I
don't
know
what
the
numbers.
You
know,
what
the
what
impact
that
has
of
the
numbers,
not
the
point
of
tonight.
A
I
C
A
And
one
most
first
and
both
first
and
fourth
ward
are
undersized.
So
you
know
we
need
to
be
moving
population
to
both
of
those
wards
and
it's
not
part
of
our
agenda
for
this
evening.
But
as
long
as
we're
talking
about
the
first
ward,
it's
probably
going
to
be
fairly
likely
that
this
section
of
the
third
ward
here
gets
shifted,
probably
to
the
first
ward.
K
A
There
yeah
it
it,
it
might
make
sense,
so
I
mean
the
my
takeaway
here
is
that
the
council
members
currently
representing
these
awards
are
expressing
a
willingness
to
draw
a
map
that
makes
sense
for
everybody
and
we're
not
feeling
particularly
territorial
about
anything.
F
Hi,
can
you
hear
me.
I
F
Okay,
I
live
in
ward,
one
hi
claire
and
just
to
point
out
the
the
yellow
on
davis
and
sherman
that
you're
pointing
to
is
actually
sherman
plaza
with
250
units.
I
think
it's
over
300
people.
I
F
I
had
was
fountain
square
with
the
map.
Currently,
it's
divided
down
davis,
so
two
alder,
two
council
members
represent
fountain
square
right
now.
Just
wondering
to
consider
is
that
a
good
idea
as
far
as
planning
purposes
and
things
that
happen
in
discussions
for
fountain
square?
Is
it
better
to
have
just
one
council
member
represent
phone
square.
A
And
that's
a
that's
a
good
question.
I
think
to
council.
Member
wins
point
like
having
multiple
council
members
represent.
Downtown
gives
downtown
a
little
bit
more
a
little
bit
more
sway.
F
A
K
A
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
would
completely
agree
if
circumstances
necessitated
all
found
square
going
to
one
or
the
other
ward
yeah.
If
that's
what
it
takes,
then
so
be
it.
But
I'm
not
I'm
not
opposed
to
keeping
fountain
square
split
as
it
is
currently.
K
A
Right
and
like
because
possibly
we're
not
getting
into
the
numbers
tonight,
otherwise
the
conversation
would,
it
would
take
way
to
would
get
way
too
deep.
But
that's
the
kind
of
thing
we're
going
to
have
to
take
into
account
when
we
start
drawing
the
maps
and
trying
to
balance
numbers.
A
Okay,
making
some
notes
here
all
right,
so
looking
at,
we
talked
about
the
border
between
ward,
4
and
ward
2
earlier
this
evening,
when
we
were
focused
on
ward
2.
So
we
don't
need
to
repeat
that
conversation
if
we
are
looking
at
the
border
between
the
fourth
ward
and
the
third
ward,
to
pick
up
and
just
to
reiterate
what
we
said
a
few
minutes
ago,
the
possibility
of
you
know-
maybe
some
of
these
blocks
here,
east
of
chicago
being
moved
from
the
third
to
the
fourth
yeah.
C
And
jonathan,
they
were
previously
in
the
fourth
war
that
that
that's
the
slice
just
south
of
lake
street
lake
down
to
what
is
it
greenwood
down
to
dempster
west
of
chicago
avenue?
That
was
that
was
fourth
ward.
So,
and
instead
of
you
know,
I
call
this
the
panhandle
yeah.
It
actually
used
to
be
more
of
a
top
hat.
A
C
Yeah
yeah
and
actually
that's
that
is
fairly
dense,
multi-family
housing
right
there
and
so
that,
if
you
I
mean,
I
don't
think
it's.
F
C
I
I
C
A
But
because
of
all
the
other
dominoes
that
are
falling,
you
know
it's
probably
not
going
to
be
quite
that
simple.
C
K
And
I
just
want
to
say:
I
also
think
that
that
makes
sense.
I
think
there
we
do
have
to
look
a
little
bit
in
terms
of
geography
and
creating
communities
for
wards.
I
think
that
is.
That
is
important,
so
I
mean
I
think,
first
does
kind
of
do
this
crazy
sort
of
stretch
really
far
south,
which
I
love
and
but
I
think
I
think
that
does
make
sense
to
keep
that
sort
of
block
of
the
fourth
ward
together
by
picking
up
that
lake
street
to
melissa.
K
C
Yeah
and-
and
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
in
the
past-
if
even
further
back-
it
was
more
than
that,
but
it
was
that
little
sliver.
A
C
It's
a
very
nice
that
that
boundary
is
not
that
it's
a
very
porous
one.
There.
I
A
Okay,
so
let's
talk
about
fourth
ward
and
the
ninth
ward,
both
of
which
are
undersized,
but
the
ninth
ward,
much
more
significantly!
So
so!
Theoretically,
if
the
fourth
ward
picks
up
some
population
from
up
here
somewhere.
That
puts
us
in
the
in
the
green.
You
know
we
might
have
some
some
territory
to
cede
to
the
ninth
ward
down
here.
A
I
will
say
that
I
do
enjoy
representing
the
businesses
on
on
both
sides
of
main
street.
Here
you
know
that's
a
it's
a
cohesive
business
community,
but
it
does
feel
a
little
bit
weird
for
the
residents
down
here
in
washington
that
they're
not
part
of
the
ninth
ward.
A
K
K
But
I
mean,
as
opposed
to
taking
as
opposed
I
mean
what
I'm
sorry
I
mean
the
ninth
ward.
What
about
the
the
fourth
word
extending,
but
then
the
ninth
ward,
also
extending.
I
pardon
me
we're
also
extending
to
the
east
side
of
the
tracks.
A
C
C
So
unlike
further
north,
where
that,
where
it's
only
one
set
of
tracks
it
that
feels
like,
like
you're,
really
trying
to
bring
two
very
different
entities
together,
and
I
think
there
are
other
solutions
to
the
ninth
ward
that
are
really
maintain.
Neighborhoods
and
communities.
D
D
I
understand
the
compromise
closer
to
downtown,
but
I
think
these
type
of
structures
are
really
good
opportunities
to
provide
clarity
to
voters,
and
if
we
really
want
to
encourage
people
to
understand
their
war
boundaries
a
lot
more
and
relate
to
them.
I
think
you
know
continuing
to
have
that
track.
Be
a
dividing
line
is
important.
A
To
me,
but
getting
back
to
the
the
ward
in
question,
if
we're
talking
fourth
ward,
ninth,
ward,
there
is
an
alley
that
doesn't
show
up
on
the
map
here,
yeah.
So
theoretically
we
could
draw
the
ward
boundary
on
the
at
least
right
here.
There's
an
alley
so
for
the
most
part
for
the
most
part,
ward
boundaries
are
are
on
streets
rather
than
alleys.
A
C
Yeah,
I
I
would
say
I
agree
with
with
that
jonathan
in
the
sense
of
you,
and
I
both
represent.
Excuse
me
that
the
main
dempster
mile
and
it
I
think
it
is
really
important
to
have
have
two
voices
on
that,
and
I.
F
C
Splintering
it
to
a
third
makes
it
a
little
bit
more
confusing
to
the
merchants,
but
also
it
having
two
of
us
represent.
I
C
I
A
Right
and
then
these
you
know
right
here,
it's
businesses,
but
in
washington
it's
it's
residents.
The
residence
is
like
kind
of
more
logically
fit
in
the
ninth
ward,
but
the
businesses
fit
in
the
fourth
ward.
So
that's
a
bit
of
a
challenge.
There.
C
A
Miss
rita,
if
you're,
muted,
if
you'd
like
to
unmute
yourself,
sorry,
okay,
there
we
go.
I.
E
Guess
I'm
a
little
confused,
I'm
trying
to
understand
how
war
three
is
that
such
a
high
number
and
how?
How
did
that
happen
in
the
first
place,
but
also
we
have
to
remember
that.
I
think
both
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
that
building
over
main
street
that
is
going
to
be
a
major
hub.
If,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
I
don't
know
if
they're
building
apartments
now
on
top
of
that
or
what
I
don't
have
the
details
about
that.
But.
I
E
I
wanted
to
say
that
since
I
don't
quite
understand
this,
and
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
I
would
like
to
know
at
some
point-
the
impact
in
making
these
changes.
What
are
the
impacts
to
the
residents
as
from
education,
perspective,
funding
perspective
and
representation,
and
where
would
we
eventually
see
that
information.
A
Just
the
best
place
to
follow
this
redistricting
conversation
is
on
the
city's
web
page.
The
city's
website
there's
a
web
page
for
the
redistricting
committee
and
hold
on
I'm
going
to
stop
sharing
here
and
as
far
as
representation.
What
we're
talking
about
here
is
only
for
city
council.
You
know
for
the
nine
wards
of
the
city
council
represented
by
the
nine
council
members.
You
know
we
we
need
to
balance
the
numbers
so
that
we
all
represent
as
close
to
the
same
number
of
people
as
possible.
A
What
we're
doing
here
has
no
impact
on
that
whatsoever,
to
the
extent
that
if
we
have
a
choice
of
drawing
a
border
here
and
or
drawing
a
border
here
and
a
ward
border
here
here
and
one
aligns
with
the
school
attendance
boundary,
that
would
to
me
kind
of
make
sense
to
to
keep
it
simple
like
that.
If
we
could
and
that's
one
of
the
things
that
we
kind
of
agreed,
that
we
would
kind
of
keep
in
the
back
of
our
minds
as
we
draw
this
map.
A
But
whatever
we
decide
in
terms
of
the
ward,
boundaries
has
no
impact
for
the
school
districts,
and
school
districts
can
redraw
the
school
attendance
boundaries
at
any
time,
depending
on
what
their
needs
are
as
well.
So
yeah
we're
not
going
to
try
and
get
overly
collaborative
with
the
school
district
and
drawing
our
ward
boundaries.
That
just
doesn't
make
sense,
and
you
made
a
good
point
about.
You-
know
ward,
three
being
kind
of
out
of
whack
now,
and
why
is
that
I'll?
Let
councilmember
win
address
that.
C
Well,
I
I
think
most
of
the.
I
think
the
reason
is
that
the
number
of
condo
buildings
that
have
been
built
in
the
third
ward
over
the
last
now.
C
20
years
and
and
the
growth
in
the
residents,
you
know
along
chicago
avenue
which,
before
this
wasn't
a
residential
corridor
at
all,
and
I
was
surprised
that
the
number
was
that
that
much
higher,
but
we
have
had
a
lot
a
lot
of
large
number
of
buildings
and
we
also
have
more
families
living
in
the
ward
than
we
had
before
we.
For
a
long
time,
we
were
kind
of
pre-nesters
and
empty
nesters.
A
Yeah
and-
and
mr
you
also
made
a
good
point
about
the
vogue
building
and
you
know
that
is
going
to
be
a
residential
building,
probably
small
families
singles
and
couples
for
the
most
part.
And
so
should
we
be
thinking
about
that
as
we
draw
this
map
yeah.
My
answer
is
it's
something
we
can
kind
of
be
aware
of,
but
we
are
constrained
by
the
numbers
that
were
given
to
us
by
the
2020
census.
A
So
we
can't
draw
a
map
based
on
anticipated
growth
and
not
knowing
what
those
numbers
are
going
to
be.
But
it's
something
we
can.
You
know
kind
of
keep
in
the
back
of
our
our
minds
and
if
we
can
kind
of
future
proof
this
map
by
being
thoughtful
about.
You
know
where
new
development,
where
we
know
new
developments,
are
going
to
come
in.
That's
the
kind
of
thing
we
can
think
about.
A
A
I
think
that
in
and
of
itself
is
is
future
proofing
us,
and
if
we
do
this
job
right,
we
hopefully
will
not
have
to
redistrict
in
10
years,
because
the
population
will
still
be
fairly
similar,
but
yeah
find
me
in
10
years
and
and
and
see
if
that,
if
that
theory
still
holds,
I
see
two
hands
up
council
member
kelly
and
and
miss
payton.
K
Thank
you
I'll.
If
this
peyton
wants
to
go
first
I'll,
go
after
miss
payden,
I
think
her
hand
went
up
before
mine.
A
H
Well,
I
was
just
gonna
say
that
I
I
didn't
hear
in
the
first
ward,
if
you
considered
the
link
to
and
the
hack
building
those
are
coming
up,
those
are
fairly
large
projects.
H
I
don't
know
about
that,
but
if
you
I
didn't
follow
that
project,
but
I
know
they
had
come
up
again,
so
I
don't
know
if
you
passed
it
or
whatever,
but
I
do
know
that
those
projects
that
that
the
hack
building
is
16
stories
and
the
link
build
the
link
to
building
is
200
and
something
units
too.
So
you
need
to
also
follow
the
projects
that
have
been
approved
already
and
count
at
least
even
if
you
counted
one
person
per
unit,
you
should
have
to
count
those
two.
A
A
Nonetheless,
we're
obligated
to
follow
the
the
the
2020
census
numbers
and
bring
that
total
deviation
down
to
zero.
A
Now
what
your
suggestion
is
here
is
if
we
know
that,
there's
going
to
be
a
new
development
or
there
has
been
a
new
development
since
the
2020
census
that
looking
ahead
to
10
years,
if
we
want
to
potentially
keep
the
process
simple
10
years
from
now,
and
maybe
make
one
ward
a
little
bit
smaller,
then
the
2020
census
numbers
show,
because
we
know
the
population
in
10
years
is
going
to
be
greater,
that's
something
we
can
think
about.
But
it's
not
those
aren't
the
numbers
that
we're
legally
obligated
to
follow.
H
Well,
but
so
you're
you're
discussing
sometime
you're
discussing
sometimes
next
year,
but
these
projects
have
been
already
approved
in
different
areas
and
they
potentially
may
by
the
time
you
make
a
decision
on
the
map
they're
getting
ready
to
open
yep.
K
No,
that's,
okay!
I
just
well
for
one
thing,
the
link
to
is
currently
not
going
forward,
but
I
think
miss
payton's
point.
It's
really
important
that
we
keep
that
in
mind
because
it
does.
We
don't
have
to
have
all
wards
exactly
equal.
So
when
we're
looking
at
a
little
bit
of
leeway
between
numbers,
yes
downtown
words
where
they're
planned
developments
that
we
know
have
been
approved
and
they're
going
up,
we
should
absolutely
keep
those
in
mind.
K
We
can't
disregard
that,
but
the
link
to
has
not
is
looks
like
it
will
not
be
going
forward
and
but
but
but
again,
but
the
housing
authority
building
on
next
to
the
pearlman
on
on
sherman
avenue
there
in
1900
that
most
likely
will.
So
that
is
something
to
keep
in
mind.
I
agree.
A
Yeah,
yeah,
and
so
like,
like.
I
agree
that
we
can
keep
this
in
mind,
but
we
don't
know
what
the
numbers
are.
We
can't
predict
what
future
developments
might
happen
in
eight
or
ten.
You
know
eight
or
nine
years,
and
what
we're
doing
now
is
actually
forward
looking
10
years
down
the
road
when
the
2030
census
comes
in
right
and
you
know
what
we're
suggesting
is
that
if
we
do
a
perfect
job
this
year,
we
won't
have
to
redistrict
in
in
10
years.
K
K
So
I
think
the
income
is
really
important,
that
we
see
how
you
know
the
the
how
income
is
dispersed
throughout
the
wards.
I
think
that's
really
a
very
important
component
as
we
look
at
how
how
wards
are
composed
and
where
they're
composed
and
how
we
we
just.
A
Yeah,
I
see
kathy
hayes
and
then
cindy
reed
had
your
hand
up
and
it
just
went
off,
but
miss
hayes.
L
Hi,
thank
you.
So
much.
Could
you
please
express
to
me
what
is
the
legal
variance
that
these
numbers
must
be
at?
I
think
alderman,
council,
member
kelly
and
your
statements
are
very
valid
as
far
as
economics
and
income
and
so
forth.
But
what
are
the
the
legal
parameters
where
you
can
come
how
close
to
the
numbers
can
you
come
to
make
them
more
yeah?
Let
me
balance,
and
I
guess,
can
you
see
my
screen?
D
Right
all
right,
so
council,
member
news
before
you
answer
this
question,
I
also
want
you
to
answer
it
from
the
lens
of
I
thought
you
said
in
the
beginning
that
legally
we're
not
we're,
not
there's
nothing
requiring
us
to
do
anything
that
we've
decided
to
take
this
on,
because
we
you
know
from
a
local
standpoint.
We
believe
it's
important
to
try
to
get
these
numbers
a
lot
closer
than
they
are.
A
State
law
yeah:
this
goes
back
for
anyone
who
wants
a
deep
dive
on
this
I'll
refer
you
to
the
town
hall.
I
believe
a
recording
of
the
redistricting
town
hall
has
been
posted.
We
go
into
a
deep
dive,
but
state
law.
Technically
state
law
does
not
require
us
to
redistrict,
because
our
population,
our
total
population,
hasn't
shifted
enough
to
require
redistricting.
A
However,
federal
guidance
does
indicate
that
we
should
redistrict
and
that
federal
guidance
is
this.
Is
this
percent
swing
here?
It's
we're
talking
about
the
the
the
the
total
population
deviation,
which
means
you
look
at
the
largest,
the
largest
award
by
population,
which
is
in
this
case
11.7
percent,
above
average,
the
third
ward
and
the
smallest
ward
by
population.
In
our
case,
the
ninth
ward,
which
is
8.7
below
average.
A
That
gives
us
a
total
swing
or
total
population
deviation
of
20.4
percent
and
federal
case
law
provides
some
guidance.
That
says
anything
less
than
10
percent
is
considered
to
be
a
one
person.
One
vote
compliant.
A
A
If
there
is
a
good
reason
to
you
know
to
do
so,
we're
at
20.4
percent,
and
so
according
to
federal
guidelines,
we
are
out
of
whack
and
therefore
should
be
redistricting,
even
though
technically
the
state
law
doesn't
say
that
we
have
to
the
state
law
allows
us
to
do
this,
based
on
the
federal
guidance,
and
so
our
intent
here,
as
confirmed
by
this
committee
in
previous
meetings,
is
to
get
this
number
down
from
20.4
percent
as
close
to
zero.
As
as
we
can
okay.
L
A
I
guess
these
the
suggestion
I
was
floating
would
be
to
keep
these
residences
on
the
residents
in
washington
street,
which
are
currently
in
the
fourth
ward,
if
we
could
move
them
to
the
ninth
ward
but
keep
the
businesses
on
main
street
in
the
fourth
ward,
that
was
the
suggestion,
like
you
know,
and
we're
not
again
we're
not
redrawing
the
map
or
making
any
definitive
decisions
tonight
we're
just
examining
possibilities,
and
once
we
have
gone
through
this
process
for
each
ward
individually
right,
then
the
committee
will
have
have
some
work
to
do
and
some
and
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
get
some
headaches
as
we
as
we
go
through
that
process.
A
You're
welcome
okay,
councilmember
kelly.
K
So
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
if
you
take
the
ward
that's
way
under
the
ninth
and
the
word,
that's
over
the
third
really
it's
those
two
words
that
if
we
could
resolve
those
two
words
alone,
we'd
be
done,
and
that's
where
I
just.
I
know
you
don't
you
know
everyone's
seems
opposed
to
jumping
around
the
tracks
for
the
ninth
ward,
but
that
would
incorporate
that
more
business,
district
and
and
this
whole
situation
would
be
resolved
because
we
would
then
reduce
our
numbers.
C
And
also
claire
it
violates
I,
you
haven't
been
in
our
prior
meetings,
where
we've
discussed
the
the
principles
that
we
have
established,
of
maintaining
neighborhood,
contiguity
and
and
recognizing
natural
borders,
and
not
disturbing
in
well-established
areas
of
wards.
And
you
know
those
are
things
that
we've
been
discussing
all
along
and
I
think
that
it
is
possible
to
get
down
to
as
close
to
zero
as
as
jonathan's
been
discussing
as
we
have
been
discussing
in
all
of
our
meetings
without
jumping
the
tracks,
like
that.
C
The
third
ward
has
a
very
strong
sense
of
itself
as
a
ward
east
of
the
tracks
and
jumping
over
the
tracks
and
across
chicago
avenue,
really
in
in
the
bottom.
Third
of
the
ward.
It
really
is
really
going
to
disrupt
things,
and
I
would
be.
I
would
be
very
strongly
opposed
to
that.
There
are.
There
are
other,
better
ways
to
do
this.
K
D
H
Name
of
that
correct,
go
ahead,
tina
hi!
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
this
is
going
to
affect
voting,
and
I
thought
also
that
this
committee
was
going
to
talk
about
putting
equity
as
far
as
race
and
into
the
map.
H
So
I
see
like
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
put
the
map
back
up,
but
like
the
fifth
and
sixth
award,
you
could
take
some
some
people
out
of
the
out
of
the
six
warders
3.3
and
take
some
people
out
of
the
seventh
ward
and
put
it
in
the
fifth
ward
or
because
those.
A
H
H
My
comment
is
because
of
this
I
will
say
I
I
don't
know
if,
okay,
so
in
general,
you
see,
the
sixth
ward
has
a
lot
of
white
people.
I
I
A
H
Some
of
that
fifth
ward,
that
way
too,
because
you're
discussing
because
what's
gonna
ultimately
happen
here-
is
that
this
is
gonna
affect
voting
and
everything
else
and
you're
talking
about
doing
this
to
be
fair
and
equitable.
H
But
as
you
see
from
your
own
chart,
there's
not
too
many
black
people
or
other
ethnic
groups
in
the
sixth
and
seventh
ward,
and
if
they
have
positive
numbers,
then
the
fifth
award
is
right.
There.
Then
you
need
to
put
some
sixth
and
seventh
ward
combined
with
the
fifth
ward
and
stop
going
to
other
wars.
Then
you
can
take
the
seventh,
the
second
ward
and
put
some
in
the
fourth
ward
and
then
put
some
in
the
ninth
ward.
So
let's
talk
about
the
sixth
and
seventh
ward,
combining
with
the
fifth
ward.
A
And
what
we're
going
to
address
each
ward
in
turn
when
it
comes
up
on
our
agenda?
A
But
I
will
repeat
what
I
I
believe
I
said
earlier
is
that
in
previous
meetings
of
this
committee
you
know
we
have
expressed
the
intent
that
we
will
continue
to
have
three
wards
that
are
majority
non-white
based
on
the
2020
census
numbers.
So
our
new
map.
You
know
we
are
going
to
be
drawing
that
with
that
in
mind
and
then
looking
at
that
as
an
objective,
I'd
like
to
wrap
up
here
fairly
quickly-
and
we
have
one
item
of
business
to
discuss
so
council
member
burns
I'll
go
to
you.
A
Okay,
in
that
case,
the
one
item
of
business
I
wanted
to
discuss
with
council
members
is
the
date
for
our
december
meeting.
A
If
we
met
on
the
fourth
tuesday
of
december,
that
would
put
us
at
december
27th
two
days
after
christmas,
which
is
might
not
be
the
best
time
for
everybody.
A
Yeah
and
community
members
as
well
is
as
committee
members,
so
I'm.
A
I'm
gonna
suggest
and
that
actually
this
would
be
according
to
our
new
schedule.
The
first
ward
and
the
third
award
are
going
to
be
on
the
december.
K
A
A
A
I
C
Is
there
anything
that's
not
economic
development?
Is
it
there's.
A
Nothing
on
the
calendar
at
this
point.
K
I'm
personally,
I
think,
avoiding
that
sort
of
period
of
time,
but
I
mean
that's
fine,
otherwise
I
would
say
even
if
it's
two
in
two
weeks,
there's
not
you
know
as
far
as
it's
not
like
we're
reading
lots
of
packets
beforehand,
I
mean
I
don't
see
anything
wrong
with
scheduling
two
in
january
during
a
two-week
period
of
time,.
A
A
Okay,
tuesday
january
10th,
okay,
so
no
december
meeting
we
will
pencil
in
for
now
january,
10th.