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B
A
Okay,
so
the
october
28
2021
meeting
of
the
referrals
committee
is
hereby
called
to
order
council
member
rebel.
C
A
Robert
fleming
here
I'm
here
here,
mayor
buses.
Here
we
have
full
attendance,
a
full
compliment,
a
quorum
and
then
some
and
so
we're
ready
to
do
our
work,
especially
if
I
could
find
the
right
tab
on
my
spreadsheet.
A
Oh
yes,
so
we
begin
with
public
comments.
I
see
nobody
is
in
the
zoom
other
than
city
staff
and
council
members.
So
no
one's
here
for
public
comment,
which
brings
us
to
approval
of
the
minutes
of
our
most
recent
regular
meeting,
which
occurred
on
october
7th.
Is
there
a
motion.
B
A
I
also
on
about
three
to
zero.
The
minutes
are
approved,
so
this
brings
us
to
the
kind
of
the
sort
of
heart
of
our
agenda,
which
will
begin
with
a
bit
of
a
discussion.
So
just
as
a
as
a
reminder,
we've
now
passed,
although
I
believe
we're
in
the
process
of
passing,
because
I
believe
it's
some
ordinance
that
will
require
a
second
vote.
The
council
a
week
for
monday,
is
that
correct.
C
A
But
so
we're
in
the
process
of
passing,
you
know
sort
of
clean
up
to
the
rule
governing
this
committee.
A
The
purpose
of
the
rule
basically
is
to
give
people
some
comfort,
first
of
all
that
what
we're
doing
is
in
line
with
what
the
fuel
says
we're
supposed
to
do,
and
then
to
kind
of
both
clarify
the
fact
that
this
is
to
apply
for
all
public
policy
changes
that
occur,
irrespective
of
who
or
what
initiated
them
and
then
to
put
in
place
a
mechanism
to
actually
force
a
process
to
get
things
on
agendas.
So
things
don't
get
voted
out
of
here
and
then
sort
of
sent
into
purgatory.
A
I
I
think
I
think,
the
things
that
I
would
suggest
that
we
consider
changing
based
on
that
rule
is
that
I
think
there
was
some.
I
think
some
pretty
justifiable
complaining
in
the
rules
committee
about
the
sort
of
green
light,
yellow
light
red
light
system
which
I
think
generates,
I
think,
doesn't
help.
I
think
it's
a
little
a
little
confusing
and
and
doesn't
doesn't
help.
So
I
would
recommend,
in
light
of
that,
those
concerns
that
we
just
vote
things
out
or
not.
A
I
don't
know
that
we're
helping
matters
by
kind
of
adding
another
layer
of
complexity
that
then
sort
of
gets
ignored
is
is
that
are
folks
comfortable
with
that
approach.
C
A
I
think
we
can
so
like.
Actually
that's
a
good
prompt
to
do
what
council
member
fleming
suggested
and
and
then
we
can
talk
about
it.
So
I
won't
read
the
whole
paragraph
because
it's
a
little
long
I'll
read
the
changes.
So,
first
of
all,
it
clarifies
exactly
to
your
point:
councilmember
abell
if
it
says
that
we're
supposed
to
give
guidance
regarding
priority
so
because
I
think
people
sort
of
felt
like
well,
the
rule
didn't
say
that
you're
supposed
to
do
that
and
you
were
doing
that.
B
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
so
so
let
me
just
read
the
the
the
sort
of
chunk
that
we
added
there's
a
couple
sentences
in
a
row.
We
wrote
no
proposed
public
policy
change
shall
appear
on
another
standing
committee's
agenda
unless
and
until
it
has
been
approved
for
consideration
via
a
rule
called
referrals
committee.
When
the
referrals
committee
approves
an
item
for
consideration,
that
approval
shall
be
transmitted
in
writing
to
the
chair
of
the
relevant
committee
and
committee
staff
within
24
hours.
A
So,
like
we
vote
for
a
thing
and
then
immediately
it
gets
emailed
over
to
them.
The
committee
chair
shall
then,
within
one
week,
inform
the
referrals
committee
in
writing
of
a
date
by
which
the
approved
item
will
appear
on
a
committee
agenda.
So
basically
we
we
vote
something
out.
We
send
it
to
them
immediately.
Then
they
have
a
week
to
decide
when
it's
going
to
go
on
the
agenda,
and
I
think
I
guess
what
I
sort
of
have
in
mind
in
the
back
of
my
head.
A
Is
we
just
send
things
out
when
they're
really
ready,
but
I
think
you're,
right,
councilmember
revell
in
the
event
that
we're
sending
a
number
of
things
to
a
given
committee?
I
think
it
would
be
constructive
for
us
to
sort
of
give
a
hierarchy
so
that,
if
we
are
sending
them
more
stuff-
and
they
can
put
on
one
agenda-
that
we're
at
least
making
a
request
about
the
order
that
we
think
it
would
make
sense
for
them
to
do
it
in.
C
A
I
mean
I
would
say
I
mean
first
of
all,
if
we're
sending
it
to
a
committee,
chair
or
they're
sort
of
instructed
to
put
it
on
an
agenda
right.
So
even
even
if
we
give
it
the
lowest
possible
score,
it's
still
getting
on
an
agenda.
I
think,
if
we're,
if
we're.
A
I
I
just
think
you
know
like
if
we're
sending
one
thing
over,
that's
really
different
than
you
know
for
sending
six
things
over
and
I
think
if
we
send
six
things
over,
it
does
make
sense
to
to
say
something
about
priority.
Maybe
it's
not
here.
This
is
the
numerical
scores.
Maybe
it's
like
hey
this
one's
really
urgent.
Please
get
to
it
first
or
maybe
it's
these
three
seem
more
time
sensitive
than
those
three.
You
know
I
think
we
can
or.
C
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
the
whole
issue,
so
I
mean
what
the
what
the
rule
says
is.
The
committee
chair
has
a
week
to
say
here's
the
date
it's
going
to
be
on
the
agenda,
and
I
think
I
think
I
mean
the
failure
mode.
There
there's
two
potential
failure.
I
guess
there's
three
potential
failure
modes
there
one
is
they
ignore
that
requirement
one?
Is
they
say
something
that
then
doesn't
come
true
and
one?
Is
they
don't
ignore
the
requirement,
but
they
just
can't
do
it
there's
just
they
can't.
A
They
can't
think
that
far
out
in
advance
or
and
they're
just
sort
of
they
go
back
to
us
and
they're.
Like
I
don't
know,
I
can't
I
can't
fit
it
on
the
next
two
agendas
and
three
attempts
from
now
is
too
far
for
now
I
just
I
can't
figure
it
out,
so
I
would
say
the
second
failure
mode
where
they
just
put
it
on
the
agenda
and
then
change
their
mind.
A
It
doesn't
happen
is
easy
to
mitigate
against
right
that
we
just
need
to
be
tracking
things
and
that
that
seems
like
a
more
of
a
dystopian
fantasy
than
a
real
likely
problem.
I
think
the
first
failure
mode
of
they
just
they
ignore
the
email
they
don't
get
back
to
us
in
a
week.
They
say
I
don't
care
what
the
rule
says,
we're
just
not
going
to
do
it.
I
think
that's
what
we've
got
to
watch
out
for
and
if
that,
if
that
happens,
then
it
turns
out
this
rule
isn't
strong
enough.
A
We
got
to
come
back
and
and
figure
out
something
from
something
tougher.
I
think
the
the
they're
just
literally
unable
to
do
it
is
feedback
for
us
that
we're
sending
too
much
stuff
or
that
we're
otherwise
just
not
properly
attuned
to
the
workloads
of
the
committees,
and
I
think
that
that's
feedback
that
we
take
into
account
and
learn
from.
B
Well,
but
then,
then,
we're
back
to
needing
to
reach
to
change
the
whole
process,
because
I
think
we're
saying
right
now
we're
we're
going
to
do
our
best
to
process
all
these
referrals
and
get
them
off
to
the
committees.
And
if
the
committees
are
saying
whoa,
that's
too
much.
I
don't
think
we're
saying
that.
A
A
B
Okay,
I
was
understanding
that
we
were
gonna
diligently
work
our
way
through
every
referral
that
comes
to
us
as
as
soon
as
practicable
and
as
and
once
we've,
you
know,
got
gone
through
our
rating
process.
Then
then
they
we
would
send
them
off
to
the
committee
rather
than
having
reviewed
them
and
holding
them,
because
we
think
is
it
up
to
us
to
decide
whether
there's
too
much
being
sent
to
a
committee,
or
is
it
up
to
the
committee
to
say
we're
just
going
to
space
these
out.
A
Gap
between
what
we've
been
doing
so
far
in
success,
in
my
opinion,
is
a
lack
of
effective
communication
with
the
committees
and
that's
what
we
need
to
improve
and
I
think
we're
on
a
path
to
improve
that,
but
but
yeah
I
I
think
the
the
whole
point
here
is
to
not
give
them
more
than
they're
capable
of
processing.
C
Okay,
so
if
we
send
it
out
to
them
button
part
of
their
job,
be
to
say
all
right,
I
can
get
these
four
on
this
month
and
these
two
on
two
months
or
so
we
still
send
it
out
and
and
they're
still
kind
of
alive
and
in
queue
on
the
committee
side.
But
the
committee
chair
and
the
staff
need
to
manage
the
committee
schedule.
So
then
we
can
still
tell
the
referring
council
person
like
hey.
It's
done,
it's
been
referred
out.
C
B
C
That's
still
a
lot
more
manageable
for
us,
so
I
don't
so
maybe
we
try
it,
but
maybe
there's
another
piece
to
admirable's
point,
which
is
looking
at
a
suggestion
that
I
think
someone
brought
up
earlier
about.
People
need
to
have
a
co-sponsor
or
do
a
little
more
work
before
they
put
the
referral
in
or
even
after
they
put
the
referral
in
to
then
say
like
yeah.
I
have
five
people
want
to
work
on
this,
so
one.
B
C
Interest
in
the
item
in
the
first
place,
I
think
also
there
came
to
me
that,
and
I
have
been
trying
to
do
some
of
this
there
I
feel
like
there
can
be
some
discussion
between
what's
like
a
referral
and
what's
like
a
question
for
staff
right
yeah
and
I
don't
know-
I
mean
we
never
really
had
that
training
so
to
speak,
but
I
definitely
feel
like-
and
I
don't
know-
maybe
that's
the
city
manager's
office
like
something's
gonna,
start
with
the
questions,
the
city,
manager's
office,
or
questions
and
staff
to
get
some
answers
and
then
from
there
determine
like
okay.
A
Yeah-
and
I
mean
what
we've
seen
so
far-
has
been
some
practice
changes
and
some
just
requests
for
information
right,
which
also
you
know
almost
certainly
shouldn't
be
a
referral,
but
also,
in
many
cases,
probably
shouldn't
be
on
an
agenda
at
all.
They're
they're.
You
know
conversation
between
a
council
member
yeah,
sorry
kelly,.
F
Oh
no,
I
was
just
gonna
say
the
same
thing
I
mean
I
think
it's
always
helpful
to
start
first
with
staff
and
talking
to
staff
about
whatever
the
question
or
the
issue
is
because
there
might
already
be
something
a
mechanism
in
place
or
an
answer
readily
available.
It
doesn't
require
necessarily
city
council
action.
I
think
you
know
some
are
better
than
others
at
you
know
going
to
staff
first,
just
because
they
know
who
to
go
to
and
some
don't.
So
I
think,
however,
we
can
help
in
that
regard
would
be
better
right.
So.
C
Maybe
between
our
towns
with
kelly
and
you,
because
again
we
didn't
have
training
on
this.
When
I
came
on
board
and
part
of
my
push
for
referrals
was
that
some
things
I
asked
about
just
never
went
anywhere,
and
so
I
think
the
communication
from
your
from
you
to
say
you
know
if
you
have,
if
you're
interested
in
something
I
have
a
question
about
something
like
maybe
in
your
one-on-ones
with
people
or
you
can
help
people
navigate
that,
because,
even
if
going
to
staff,
you
know
some
staff
are
more
responsive
than
others
right.
Some
staff.
C
There's
no
way
we
can
do
that,
whereas
other
staff
might
kind
of
have
a
longer
conversation.
So
maybe
you
can
help
with
that
piece
with
the
edu.
You
know
just
kind
of
helping
council
members
navigate
that
side
and
then,
if
it,
if
it
is
something
that
they've
gone
to
staff
like
hey,
I
want
to
pursue
this.
This
is
a
policy
change
and
it
kind
of
comes
to
us,
but
we
know
that
at
least
they've
had
an
access
point
with
staff
or
with
your
office.
First.
F
Yeah,
I
think
that's
really
been.
The
problem
too,
is
is
there's
just
not
been
a
lot
of
internal
research
before
something
gets
referred,
maybe,
and
I
think
like
not
to
get
ahead
of
ourselves.
What
allison's
trying
to
do
with
the
new
form
is
to
maybe
like
make
a
check
box
or
a
checklist
of
like
hey.
Have
you
have
you
done
all
these
things
before
the
referral
actually
goes?
Because
you
know
you
may
have
your
answer
already
available
to
you.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that's
not
getting
ahead
of
us
at
all.
I
actually
wanted
to
call
on
alison
and
just
ask
both
for
an
update
on
some
of
the
stuff
that
you've
been
working
on
regarding
all
this,
but
also
just
kind
of
your
your
thoughts
about
the
role
that
you
can
play
to
solve
some
of
these
problems
before
they
before
they
become
painful.
E
Great
thanks
and
for
anybody
who
may
be
watching
this
later,
allison
leipziger
policy
coordinator.
So
on
page
six
of
your
packet
you'll
see
the
form
you've
all
been
given
the
opportunity
to
give
feedback
and
that's
all
been
incorporated.
E
The
new
form
really
is
intended
to
answer
a
lot
of
these
questions
ahead
of
time
and
so
the
ones
that
are
the
aspects
of
the
form
that
are
required.
In
addition
to
who
you
are
what
department.
So
this
is
going
to
be
for
both
staff
and
for
the
council,
and
then
you
know
general
policy
changes
and
the
reason
for
the
policy
change
and
then
other
things
that
are
required.
Are
things
like?
How
does
this
relate
to
or
affect
other
city
policies
or
ordinances?
E
But
you
know
I
also
will
serve
as
another
stop
gap.
So
if
somebody
submits
a
referral-
and
you
know
we
look
at
it-
we
think
like
no
way,
there's
not
enough
information
here,
or
this
is
just
something
that
staff
can
do.
Research
on
it
doesn't
need
to
go
straight
to
the
council.
That's
where
I
can
step
in,
and
you
know
see
what
kind
of
background
research
we
can
do
and
information
gathering
we
can
do
before.
E
We
make
it
into
a
referral
because,
as
you've
all
said,
I
think
that
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
referrals
have
tended
to
be
like
research
and
and
that
doesn't
need
to
actually
take
up
the
council's
time
and
so
putting
in
things
like
these
required
questions,
plus
additional
ones
like
you
know,
have
you
discussed
this
proposal
at
a
public
meeting
yet
or
which
staff
or
council
members,
if
any,
have
been
working
with
you?
We
also
ask
like:
are
there
any
time
constraints?
E
But
if
that
context
isn't
there
even
with
all
of
those
questions,
then
that
sort
of
as
a
red
flag
for
me
and
then
I
can
step
in
and
try
and
get
that
information
before
it
even
sort
of
comes
to
your
plate,
so
that
they're
actually
like
ready
to
discuss
the
policy
change,
as
opposed
to
say,
like
you
know
what
this
is
actually
not
baked
yet
or
this
is
actually
a
research
request
and
we
can
do
those
things
kind
of
offline
in
terms
of
an
update,
I'm
still
waiting
to
work
with
luke.
E
Who,
like
was
here
and
then
is
maybe
not
here
again.
I
don't
know
he
seems
to
be
out
of
the
office
again.
So
there's
a
we're
waiting
for
the
tech
update
on
that,
but
I
don't
think
it'll
be
a
complicated
process.
E
E
Nuance
such
as,
like
this
referral
was
submitted
to
a
subcommittee
like
our
status
thing,
doesn't
really
work,
so
there
are
sort
of
some
back-end
things
that
we
want
to
work
on
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
really
track
the
legislation
once
it's
you
know
in
the
process,
so
I
hope
to
do
that
as
soon
as
luke
is
back
and
that's
about
it.
C
C
You
know,
as
I
see
things
coming
into
referrals,
I
take
the
liberties
to
call
our
peers
and
they're
like
hey.
Have
you
thought
of
this?
Not
that
anyone
cares
about
my
opinion,
but
just
to
try
to
see
if
we
can
steer
like
there's
several
of
these,
that,
I
think,
should
just
be
budget
memos,
but
you
know
they're
not.
That
was
my
suggestion
and
maybe
just
assuming
people
hadn't
thought
about
that.
I
don't
really
know.
F
C
C
I
think
again,
there's
not
been
great
training
for
council
members,
but
yeah,
because
we
just
started
talking
about
the
budget
memos,
but
there
was
never
any
public
conversation
about
what
budget
memos
are
and
even
for
the
citizens
like
what
budget
memos
are
where
they
can
find
them.
I
think
maybe
kelly
you
or
daniel
did
say
something
after
we
started
the
conversation,
but.
A
As
an
untrained,
new
council
member,
it
probably
wasn't
me
yes,
yeah
allison
did
your
hand
up,
and
then
you
didn't.
E
I
I
just
one
thought:
is
that
one
sort
of
technical
thing
we're
going
to
have
to
think
about
is
we
do
we
are
going
to
want
the
referrals
to
still
come
to
you
as
they
come
in,
but
there's
a
sort
of
procedural
question
like
if
you
know
council,
member
fleming,
you
see
it
come
in
and
you
immediately
call
your
colleagues
which
is
great
like
keep
doing
that.
E
A
And
let
me
ask
kelly
a
question
just
because
again,
there's
a
little
bit
of
biologically
driven
urgency
here.
Is
there?
Is
there
somebody
else
I
mean
I
imagine
the
person
physically
building
this
wouldn't
be
the
director
of
administrative
services?
Is
there
somebody
else
in
the
in
the
kind
of
I.t
team
who
allison
could
be
talking
to
about
about
the
spreadsheet,
or
do
you
think
it's
better
to
wait
until
luke
is
back
in
the
office.
A
A
A
Great,
thank
you.
Okay,
so,
by
my
accounts,.
A
And
I
think
the
both
the
first
one
on
our
sheet,
but
also
the
one
we
ought
to
talk
about
first
anyway,
because
we
have
a
testimony,
it
looks
like
in
the
zoom
is
amending
section
1-7-2
of
the
city
code
general
duties
of
the
clerk,
which
I
think
was
submitted
with
proposed
language,
which
definitely
warmed
my
heart
clerk
mendoza.
Did
you
want
to
speak
about
this.
D
Yes,
so
the
referral
that
was
put
in
so
that
is
just
to
have
the
duties
of
the
clerk
actually
reflect
in
the
code.
What
we
do
in
the
office
we're
currently
we've
already.
We've
always
done
handicap
the
cards,
but
we
also
just
recently
started
doing
vital
records,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
include
that
into
the
code
to
ensure
there's
continuity
for
the
residents
of
evanston
and
and
for
the
office.
This
is
the
office
where
that
will
that
will
stay?
D
It's
not.
You
know,
and
I
just
think
that
it
it
should
stay
here
independently
of
who
is
here,
because
it's
a
vital
service
to
the
community
we're
just
in
week
one
and
we've
already
had
so
many
walk-ins
and
questions
and
which
means
that
the
service
was
really
needed
here
and
if
you
guys
have
any
questions
or
concerns,
I'm
happy
to
answer
them.
C
I
just
have
a
question
and
I
don't
I
don't
have
enough,
it's
only
one
screen,
but
did
we
think
about
adding
the
passport
language
in
there
stephanie
you're
working
on
getting
passport
services
back
to
the
clerk's
office?
Do
you
think
that's
something
we
should
look
at
or.
D
Unfortunately,
because
we
do
records,
we
cannot
do
passports.
Okay,
we
have
to
do
the
one
one
or
the
other.
If
we
had,
if
we
like,
for
example,
we
had
both,
we
could
create
a
whole
person,
so
we
could
right
now
that
person
could
the
social
security
advantage.
You
know,
like
you,
can
yeah
by
law,
you're
not
allowed
to
do
that,
and
the
reason
why
I
decided
to
go
with
vital
records
and
not
passports,
but
was
because
we
were
having
way
more
many
walk-ins
every
single
day.
D
While
center
was
closed
just
for
passports,
we
even
had
a
form
downstairs
printed
to
tell
people
to
go
to
skokie
so
and
we
had
very
few
employees
for
passports,
and
so
that
was
just
the
how
I
made
that
decision.
Okay,.
B
So
this
so
we
send
this
to
rules
committee.
Is
that.
A
And
obviously
this
is,
I
think,
important
and
uncontroversial,
and
also
totally
ready
to
go,
which
again
I
don't
know.
If
we're
we
send
flowers
to
refers
or
what,
but
we
should
just
just
you
know.
A
D
Yeah,
I
I'm
able
to
continue
to
do
what
I'm
doing.
The
only
thing
is
that
you
know
the
code
doesn't
necessarily
reflect
what
I'm
doing
in
the
office
and
although
the
service
has
lived
office,
but
not
necessarily
by
the
clerk
in
the
past,
I
you
know,
I
think
it's
important,
that
our
code
matches
what's
going
on
in
each
office,
because
then
people,
you
know
get
online
and
they
just
they're
confused
and
it
would
you
know
the
confusion
will
go
away.
It
just
depends
on
how
busy
the
agenda
is
for
for
rules.
D
You
know
the
ordinance
is
ready
to
go.
It's
been
looked
at
by
our
corporate
council
allison.
D
I
I
think
this
is
a
great
example
of
what
we
could
be
doing
as
elected
officials
with
with
allison
and
just
before
something
comes
to
you.
Something
is
you
know,
ready,
or
you
know,
at
least
in
my
opinion,
ready
for
from
my
viewpoint
to
go.
So
if
it's,
if
there's
room
I'd,
appreciate
it
if
it
could
just
move
along,
if
there's
not,
it's
not
necessarily
super
urgent.
A
A
Okay,
all
right!
Well,
I
think,
probably
for
reasons
of
consistency
we
ought
to
go
through
the
scoring
process
for
this
one
to
I
have
my
mine
in
front
of
me
to
council
members
fleming
and
ravel.
Do
you
want
to
share
your
thoughts
about
this.
A
Look
at
that
and
councilman
reflecting.
C
A
C
C
You
know,
okay,
so
the
people
who
are
watching
this
account
are
going
to
probably
fire
me.
I'm
going
to
write
a
note.
Low
numbers
are
better
on
my
issue.
Here,
I'm
serious.
I
can't-
and
I
was
anyway
so
so
then
it's
a
one
for
scope.
I
had
that
it
was
well.
So
it's
gonna
be
a
three
because
it
doesn't
look
like
I'm
using
the
staff
resources,
because
it's
ready
to
go
right
is
that
correct.
C
I
mean
I
begin
with
maybe
paying
attention,
but
I
think
this
is
good
for
the
community,
so
it'll
be
a
one
and
a
one
for
a
priorities.
So
then
it's
a
one,
two
three,
four
five
percent.
A
Okay,
well,
I
I
feel,
like
the
the
the
you
know,
tough
greater
here,
I
gave
it
two
one
one
one
and
three,
but
so
I
mean.
A
Well,
I
just
meant
it's
like
a
technical
thing:
it's
not
advancing!
It's
not
advancing
one
of
our
kind
of
priorities,
not
because
it's
opposed
to
them,
but
it's
just
sort
of
technical,
but
so
I
don't
know,
I
think,
if
we
average
that
it
comes
to
one
one,
one,
one,
two
as
council,
I
think
that's
exactly
what
councilmember
revell
did
in
the
first
place
and,
of
course
now
can't
find
the
oh.
I
see
this
is
my
referral
officially
because
of
the
spreadsheets
deficiency.
A
A
A
As
well,
and
do
we
just
want
to
say
asap-
is
that,
for
the
time
being,
at
least
enough
direction.
C
A
Well,
anyhow:
well,
okay,
great!
Thank
you
very
much
and
all
I
mean
you
know
I
I'm
not.
I
know
I
sounded
a
little
glib,
but
thank
you
clerk
mendoza
for
making
this
incredibly
easy
it
does.
It
does
really
really
really
help
the
process
all
right.
C
All
right
before
you
go
to
the
next
one.
I
have
a
question
because,
on
the
sheet
that
I
looked
at,
the
surefront
mou
did
not
have
a
score
and
I
had
a
conversation
with
councilmember
burns
about
that.
He
called
me
I'm
just
going
to
make
sure
I'm
looking
at
the
right
sheet
and
then
the
mwebe
data
referral,
I
think
also
was
on
there.
C
Which
I
did
send
over
to
the
staff
and
the,
but
I
think
on
here.
If
I
looked
on
when
I
looked
on
the
sheet,
I
think
it
either
didn't
have
a
score,
didn't
have
any
kind
of
information,
and
I
know
at
one
point
we
were
like
kind
of
splitting
up
the
referrals
and
you
know
between
the
three
of
us,
and
so
that
is
one
that
I
did
send
over.
C
A
C
A
Thoughts,
I
think
they
had
some
conversations
and
now
she's
gone.
C
C
C
His
statement
to
me
was
that
he
wants
the
city
to
go
into
an
mru,
a
short
front
for
a
variety
of
things
of
which
are
not
fleshed
out,
so
he
was
going
to
speak
to
dino
to
try
to
flesh
out
what
some
of
those
things
might
be,
but
he
also
felt
like
that
was
more
of
the
staff's
role,
so
he
wanted
to
give
the
direction
to
the
staff
to
work
with
forefront
to
flesh
out
of
mou.
C
A
Well,
I
think
I
mean
I
think
that
is
something
that's
really
I
mean,
I
think,
he's
right
that
that's
fundamentally
about
a
conversation
between
dino
and
city
staff,
and
I
mean
I
guess
if,
if
the
issue
is
that
there's
a
lack
of
certainty
about
whether
this
is
a
good
idea
and
staff
is
seeking
direction
from
council
about
whether
or
not
to
have
those
conversations,
then
maybe
we
want
to
have
a
vote
somewhere,
but
but
otherwise
it
doesn't
again.
It
doesn't
seem
like
a
thing
for
a
committee
to
work
on
so
much
as
conversations.
B
A
C
Yeah
he
said
he
was
going
to
speak
to
dino,
but
at
the
same
time
I
think
he
wanted
us
to
move
this
forward
to
somewhere.
So
the
council
would
give
staff
direction,
but
maybe
this
is
something
that
kelly
can
take
on,
not
to
give
you
more
work
kelly,
but
I'm
just
not
sure
like
we
brought.
If
we
put
this
on
like
the
ap
w
agenda
which
bobby
sits
on
so
then
maybe
at
apw,
he
can
verbalize
more
what
he's
looking
for,
but
I'm
still
like.
F
A
So
probably
he
is
you
know
if
he
wants
to
put
it
on
for
a
discussion
item
at
apw.
I
think
he
certainly
can
do
that.
But
would
you.
C
Send
it
forward
at
the
discussion,
but
we
do
that
and
not
ask
for
staff
resources
on
it
and
just
send
it
forward
for
a
discussion
item
and
then
he
can
so.
I
think
I
think
my
concern
is
sending
it
forward
for
staff
to
provide
some
direction,
and
I
don't
know
what
staff
you
know.
I
have
no
direction
to
give
staff
yeah.
I.
C
A
Yeah,
I
think,
if
folks
want
to
do
that,
that's
fine,
I
would
say,
as
a
general
rule
I'd
rather
that
we
not
have
a
practice
of
referring
things.
We
don't
understand,
because
I
think
that
really
does
put
a
burden
on
somebody
else.
That's
and
again,
in
this
case
it's
probably
okay
because
bobby's
the
chair
anyways,
but
I
just
think
as
a
rule.
If
we,
if
we
say
well,
we
don't
really
know
what
this
means
we'll
send
it
over.
There,
then
we're
we're
we're
just
moving
problems
instead
of
solving
them.
F
C
A
B
The
forum
would
just
be
empty,
I
mean
given
sicily,
that
I
mean
council
member
fleming,
that
you've
had
a
conversation
with
council
member
burns
and
you
still
are
not
really
knowing
what
the
purpose
of
all
this
is.
I
I
just
really
don't
think
it's
ready
for
even
the
commitment.
C
A
I
do
think
it's
appropriate
for
us
to
say
you
know
we
need
that
information.
You
know
it
doesn't
need
you
don't
need
to
write
the
mou,
but
just
something
about
what
it's.
What
it's
about?
What
the
purpose
is
what
what
the
city
would
be
committing
and
what
the
point
is,
and
we
just
that's
our
job
and
we're
not
able
to
move
forward
until
we've
done
our
job.
I
think
that's
appropriate.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
that's
you
know
we're
not
asking
we're.
A
Mean
frustrated,
there's
no
question,
and
I
get
that
and
I
appreciate
that,
and
so
I
think
that's.
The
urgency
comes
more
from
the
sense
that
this
is
something
that
he
cares
about,
and
you
know
made
the
referral
a
long
time
ago
and
hasn't
seen
any
any
action
which
is
definitely
frustrating
rather
than
some
external
thing.
That
there's
like
a
deadline
in
the
world.
B
A
C
E
E
C
You
know
and
there's
more
information
now,
but
I
wanted
to
report
back
on
those
two
things.
I.
C
A
Think
I
mean
I
think
we
need
to
be
honest
about
the
fact
that
it's
not
only
staff
whose
bandwidth
is
limited.
It's
us
as
well
and
in
this
particular
instance,
the
council
member's
plate,
just
got
somewhat
cleared,
and
I
think
he
may
have
more
capacity
to
devote
attention
to
all
these
other
items
that
are
are
critical
for
his
ward,
but
that
you
know
maybe
had
to
figure
out
how
to
coexist
in
his
calendar
with
a
giant
project.
He
just
finished.
A
All
right
shall
we
move
to
the
next.
The
next
items.
C
A
Fact
that
it's
already
917.
okay,
thank
you.
I
point
ticket,
so
the
next
is
an
occupational
head
tax
for
employees
not
residing
in
evanston.
B
C
B
A
C
A
C
A
B
A
All
right,
so
why
don't
we
start
with
council?
Member
fleming,
since
you
were.
C
I
mostly
gave
it
a
time,
it's
my
thing,
but
I
gave
it
a
two
right,
so
I
thought
two
for
time.
Sensitivity
two
for
scope,
connection
to
existing
policy
actually
is
one
because
we
have
the
property
standard
stuff
already
two
for
community
interest,
and
then
I
had
it
for
one
for
goals.
The
priorities.
B
A
All
right,
so
we're
very
close,
so
I
think
we
can.
We
can
agree
quickly
on
the
on
the
number
so,
where.
A
A
C
A
A
Councilmember
fleming
moves
to
send
this
referral
to
pnd
to
be
handled
when
you
know
not
urgently,
but
when,
when
possible,
which
we
expect
to
be
soon
council
member
seconds
council
member
avail
hi.
Although.
C
A
I
also
got
r
so
three
to
zero.
That
passes.
One
little
note
about
the
spreadsheet.
The
there's
a
format
for
this
column,
which
I
didn't
even
know,
is
a
thing
that
you
could
do,
which
is
no
spaces,
are
allowed.
So
any
multiple
word
recommended
timeline.
It's
all
smushed
together.
So
sorry
about
that
all
right.
So
this
brings
us
to
the
occupational
head
tax
for
employees
not
residing
in
evanston
just
want
to
read
there.
C
B
C
B
B
C
That
was
mostly
based
on
with
devon's
piece
in
there
about
this
being
related
to
the
budget,
although
this
is
one
of
which
a
budget
memo
but.
C
C
Scope,
I
thought
it
was
high
demand,
and
so
that
will
be
a
one
right.
No.
B
C
It'll,
be
my
it'll,
be
our
last
meeting
connection
to
existing
policy.
I
had
that
as
a
tooth
community
interest.
I
had
that
as
actually
at
three.
I
thought.
C
Than
just
the
business
community
would
be
interested
in
that
I
thought.
We'd
have
citizens
who
and
then
two
for
priority.
A
B
A
The
past
and
then
I
gave
it
a
one
for
goals.
I
don't
know,
I
think
robin
is
important,
so
that
adds
up
to
a
12.
So
council
members,
we
all
we
all
added
up
to
11
or
12,
though
the
way
we
got
there
was
a
little
bit
different.
A
Sorry,
three
for
connection
to
existing
policy,
a
two
for
community
interest
and
a
two
for
alignment
with
goals
which
adds
up
to
12..
Yes,
that's
up
to
12.,
sorry,
and
so
I
think
I
mean
this.
I
don't
know
what
we
want
to
do
with
this
exactly.
A
That
seems
clearly
correct,
and
I
mean
I
don't
know
what
we
want
to
do
about
that.
I
mean,
I
think.
Obviously,
council
members
are
kind
of
a
package
of
revenue
related
ideas
that
we
could
all
refer
together.
We
could
make
the
choice
to
kind
of
parcel
them
out
and
if
we
were
to
do
so,
I
would
say
this
would
not
be
high
on
the
list.
I
think
this
is
a
pretty
complicated
one.
C
Mean
I
think
we
send
it
to
budget
of
finance
and
we,
you
know
with
the
disclaimers
like
we
know
it's
complicated
now
I
don't
know
how
they're
operating,
but
they
could
have
a
discussion
about
it.
I
understand
it's
complicated
and
start
asking
for
information
for
staff,
knowing
that
it's
not
going
to
like
move
along
fast,
but
part
of
the
complication
might
be
at
least
you
know
start
having
stop
look
at
some
material.
Knowing
that
there's
not
going
to
be
a
decision
made
for
a
while.
A
Yeah
they
just
had
their
first
meeting,
which
I've
had
sort
of
varying
reports
from
yeah.
I
think
we
can
certainly
do
that
and
just
and
then
you
know
again.
We
especially
since
I
mean
I
think,
if
we're
being
realistic,
these
suggestions
that
were
put
in
very
recently
are
not
going
to
impact
the
2022
budget
and
so
by
just
kind
of
putting
them
on
the
table
now
for
the
budget
and
finance
committee
to
kind
of
make
their
own
prioritization
decisions
about,
I
think,
is
probably
a
sort
of
healthy
compromise.
Yeah.
B
A
To
send
this
referral
to
the
budget
and
finance
committee
council
member
fleming
seconds
council
member
revell,
aye
councilmember
fleming.
B
A
C
A
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
write
the
sort
of
recommended
timeline
column.
I'm
just
writing
committee
can
prioritize
revenue
ideas.
C
A
No,
this
is
totally
complementary
to
that.
You
know
that
committee
took
a
vote
on
a
proposal
regarding
searches
that
I
think
will
be
a
really
significant
thing
for
the
full
council
to
discuss-
and
this
is
this-
is
sort
of
a
complimentary
direction
to
that,
so
that
I
think,
might
present
a
challenge.
Frankly,
you
know
how
many
different
sort
of
privacy
and
search
related
epd
issues
do
we
want
to
take
on
at
the
same
time,
but
no,
it
certainly
does
not.
It's
not
part
of
that
conversation.
C
E
A
A
A
Well,
I
think
that's
that's
where
you
really,
you
know
invite
you,
I
guess
I
mean
allison.
Would
you
know,
have
conversations
with
councilmember
reed
about
how
to
both
have
discussions
with
the
police
department
and
with
members
of
council
and
prepare
some
documentation
that
could
you
know,
create
a
conversation
that
people
would
then
be
comfortable
moving
forward
from.
C
C
B
C
B
A
The
interaction
with
the
state
law
is,
there
was
just
like
okay.
Well,
we'll
have
this
conversation
to
see
how
it
goes,
and
I
think
there
are
council
there
are
times
that
council
members
would
expect
a
greater
level
of
staff,
work
and
preparation
that
goes
into
these
committee
hearings.
Yes,.
C
B
B
A
I
think
this
is
something
where
like
we
can
send
it
over,
but
we're
just
sort
of
giving
we're
just
giving
somebody
else
our
problem
and
not
not
solving
a
problem,
and
I
think
I
think
this
is
a
place.
We're
having
more
conversations
with
councilmember
reid
on
the
front
end,
either
to
establish
an
expectation
that
it'll
be
like
what
would
occur
with
the
with
a
drug
referral
or
to
establish
a
different
expectation
and
then
learn
from
that
newly
established
expectation.
How
much
time
it's
going
to
take
to
do
it
and
then
make
a
decision
accordingly.
A
C
C
A
F
I
guess
the
question
I
would
have
in
my
mind
for
this
one
is:
is
there
some
sort
of
statistical
research
that
we
that
the
committee
should
know
ahead
of
time
and
who's
doing?
That
is
there?
Are
there
policies
created
in
other
cities
or
other
states
that
reflect
what
he's
trying
to
do
and
he
wants
to
do
something
similar?
F
C
A
C
Okay,
all
right
all
right,
so
then
I
gave
it
a
two
for
time
sensitivity.
I
gave
it
a
three
four
scope.
I
gave
it
a
one
for
existing
policy
because
we
already
have
a
policy.
I
gave
it
a
three
for
community
interest
and
then
I
gave
it
a
two
for
goals
and
priorities.
B
A
Well,
so
you
guys
were
almost
identical,
so
I'll,
just
the
one
place
you
differed,
which
was
goals
and
priorities.
I
was
a
two,
as
was
council
member
fleming,
so
we
can
use
me
as
a
tiebreaker
and
so
what
I've
dropped
in
to
is
two
plus
three
plus
one
plus
three
plus
two
equals
eleven
and
I've
selected
the
human
services
drop
down,
and
then
we
can
move
forward.
A
The
next
item
is
create
award
redistricting
committee,
which,
by
the
way,
I
think,
is
a
great
idea.
I
think
I
think
it's
really
important
for
us
to
have
words
of
the
same
population,
but
I
don't
think
should
be
a
referral.
I
think
something
the
rules
committee
can
just
do,
and
so
I
would
propose
that
we
encourage
them
to
do
it
if
they
want
to.
B
A
A
committee,
but
that
we
tell
the
chair
of
the
rules
committee,
who
in
this
instance
happens
to
be
the
person
who
made
the
referral
that
you
should
just
do
this
at
rules.
I
don't
think
this
requires
us
to
take
any
action.
You
know
in
the
past,
when
subcommittees
have
been
created
like,
for
example,
pnd.
We
didn't,
we
didn't
take
any
action,
we
just
sort
of
made
a
phone
call,
and
I
think
the
same
thing
would
reply
here.
C
That's
fine,
I
mean
what
I
have
written
down
is
I
mean
I
think
we're,
and
I
know
that
kind
of
disagrees
but
really
obligated
to
look
at
redistricting
and
look
at
the
senses.
So
the
only
question
I
had
on
here
is
the
time
sensitivity,
because
I
would
assume
we
need
to
do
it
in
the
next
couple
years
before
an
election.
A
Yeah
I
mean
in
case
anyone's
watching,
and
I
guess
we
do
have
the
league
here
now.
Welcome
charles
to
be
clear.
Nick
nick's
position
is
that
state
law
doesn't
mandate
that
we
do
it.
Whether
or
not
I
mean
there's
a
you
know,
really
significant
supreme
court
cases
that
were
decided
under
the
warren
court.
That
obligated
one
person,
one
vote
system
and
whether
those
apply
to
city
councils
is
not
something
that
nick
has
weighed
in
on
they
they
may
well,
but
even
even
if
we
don't
have
to,
I
still
think
we
should
it's.
B
I
think
I
I
I
wasn't
on
the
council
10
years
ago,
but
they're
pro,
I
think,
they're.
I
assume
there
was
some
conversation
and
a
few
and
people
decide.
Oh
well,
we
don't
need
to
do
it
or
you
know
we
don't
think
populations
changed
enough
to
warrant
or
doing
it
or
something.
But
now
it's
been
20
years
since
we've
done
it
and-
and
we
have
had
a
number
of
new
multi-family
buildings
built
in
evanston,
which
presumably
would
you
know,
need
some
adjustment
for
those,
so
so
yeah.
I
do
think
it's
time
to
to
do
it.
B
I
mean
now
we
can
get
a
computer
going
to
kind
of
do
some.
You
know
very
unemotional
boundary.
I
don't
know
anyway.
It's
it'll
be
interesting.
A
If
I,
if
I
have
my
history
right,
cheryl
was
not
on
the
council
20
years
ago
or
10
years
ago.
I
think
her
service
was
in
between
those
two.
If
that's
right,
then
I'm
that
I'm,
the
only
person
in
this
zoom
who's
ever
been
a
part
of
redistricting
process,
and
let
me
assure
you
it
is
many
things,
but
it
is
not
unemotional.
A
In
rules
coming
in,
I
don't
think
we
need
to
do
anything.
I
think
we
should
just
have
a
conversation
with
devon
and
say
that
rules
you
know
can
make
create
a
subcommittee
okay.
So
next
is
the
tiff
advisory
board
issue
and
I
didn't
I'll
admit,
I'm
not
100
clear
on
how
this
differs
is
this?
Oh,
I
see
this
is
simply
codifying
for
future
tips.
What's
been
already
passed
for
the
five-fifths
tif.
A
C
All
right,
so
I
had
a
two
for
time
sensitivity
just
in
case
there
were
ever
some
tips
coming
up.
I
guess,
although
I
guess
we
don't
have
any,
but
anyway
I
had
a
two
for
school,
although
maybe
that
could
even
well
I'll
keep
it
as
a
two
connection
to
existing
policy.
A
Got
it
so
I
had
three
for
time:
sensitivity
three
for
scope,
which
I
have
no
idea
why
I
would
have
said
that
that
makes
no
sense.
So
I'm
going
to
change
that
to
two.
My
apologies,
two
for
connection
to
existing
policy,
three
for
community
interest
and
one
for
alignment
with
our
goals,
which
I
think
gets
me
to
the
same
number
as
council
number:
five,
which
is
11.
B
A
I
vote
I
so
on
a
vote
of
three
to
zero
that
passes
and
I
think
we
should
say
that
it's
not
urgent.
I
would
respectfully
suggest,
because
you
know.
A
Even
if
there's
another
tiff
relatively
soon,
which
I'm
not
so
sure
there
will
be-
oh
god
they
take
a
while
so
there'll
be
plenty
of
time
all
right.
So
this
moves
to
the
next
one,
the
required
declaration
of
a
tip
surplus.
I
sort
of
went
back
and
forth
on
whether
or
not
this
needs
to
be
a
referral,
but
I
think
ultimately,
if
we
want
this
permanent
practice,
I
think
it
probably
makes
sense
for
to
be
in
the
code,
so
sure
sorry
go
ahead.
Customer
reveal.
B
C
F
A
Yeah
we
have
the
corporation
council,
we
have
the
clerk,
I
mean
I
felt
very
uncomfortable
on
a
policy
level
with
this
idea.
I
don't
I
don't
like
it,
because
I
think
fundamentally,
if
we're
concerned
about
our
ability
to
over
see
ourselves.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
but
that's
what
the
attorney
general
is
for
and
to
create
another
internal
layer
to
try
even
harder
to
oversee
ourselves.
I
mean
that
doesn't
solve
the
problem.
The
problem
is
all
by
having
an
external
body.
A
A
C
Not
a
tip
expert,
I
guess
I.
C
F
Yeah
the
process
is
that,
if
there's
a
member
of
the
public
who
requests
something
through
foia
and
it's
rejected,
there's
an
appeals
process
which
is
pretty
expeditious
through
the
attorney
general's
office
and
they
usually
send
an
opinion
over
pretty
quickly
to
the
law
department
about
you
know
what
it
is.
You
know
whether
that
should
be
sustained
or
not.
A
B
A
So
if
what's
your
hard
stop
customer
reflection.
A
I
mean
the
next
one
is
the
mayoral
veto
announcement,
which
I
interpreted
this
as
I
had
never.
I
had
not
read
the
rule
carefully
about
mayoral
veto
until
I
had
to
issue
one
and
in
fact
the
rule
is
sort
of
a
mess,
and
so
I
interpreted
this
as
just
requesting
a
clean
up
of
the
rule.
A
A
Really
weird,
like
the
mayor,
must
explain
the
reasons
for
the
veto
in
writing
at
a
council
meeting
which
just
doesn't
make
sense,
and
so
I
I
sent
it
in
writing
in
advance
and
then
also
explained
it
at
the
council
meeting,
and
I
wasn't
I
mean
it
was
fine.
It
wasn't
hard
to
figure
out.
That
was
the
right
thing
to
do,
but
I
don't
think
there's
any
urgency
here,
but
I
think
it
makes
sense.
A
C
All
right,
so
I
had
a
one
for
sensitivity,
two
for
scope,
that's
a
little
bit
because
I
wasn't
exactly
sure
what
we're
doing
a
one
for
existing
policy,
a
one
for
community
interest
and
then
two
for
those
and
priorities.
B
I
set
a
three
for
time,
sensitivity
but
and
then
ones
for
the
rest,
because
it
seems
pretty
pretty
pretty
straightforward
to
just
take
care
of
it.
If
it's
just
clarifying
our
rule,
there.
A
So
I
also
said
three
for
time
sensitivity.
I
also
said
one
for
everything
else,
except
for
goals,
which
I
said
three
again,
because
it
seemed
like
a
technical.
It's
not
advancing
a
city
goal.
This
is
a
technical
tweak,
but
I
can
right
yeah
we
can.
I
can
call
it
a
two
there
as
a
compromise
and
then
and
again.
I
think
this
one
doesn't
need
to
take
much
of
our
time
or
much
of
the
rules
committee's
time.
C
B
A
Councilwoman
hi
I
go
to
I
so
it
passes
the
so,
let's,
let's
set
the
date
of
our
next
meeting.
So
we
do
that
in
a
way
that
we're
confident
about
before,
because
we're
flaming
us
to
leave
and
if
that
scheduling
conversation
leaves
us
time,
we
can
maybe
do
one
more,
but.
C
A
Yeah,
that
seems
right,
though,
of
course
the
drop
down
doesn't
seem
to
be
available,
but
anyway,
yes,
so
let's
do
that.
C
A
C
A
A
B
A
A
Okay,
so
our
next
meeting
and
do
we
want
to
do
a
30
or
nine
of
virtual
or
in
person
or
do
you
want
to
do
that?
Well,
let's
decide
a
time
now
we
can
decide
the
venue.