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A
Good
morning,
the
first
ever
meeting
of
the
referrals
committee
shall
come
to
order
with
the
city
manager,
slash
clerk.
Please
call
the
roll.
A
A
We
have
aquarium
and
are
ready
to
do
business.
As
I
understand
it,
no
one
has
sought
the
ability
to
give
public
comment.
I'll
pause
for
a
moment
to
allow
the
world
to
correct
me
about
that.
A
Seeing
no
online
or
in
person
requesting
a
public
comment,
we'll
move
on
to
item
four
on
our
agenda,
which
is
discussion
of
methods
and
processes
for
the
referrals
committee
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
I
want
to
explain
that
if
you
go
to
the
agenda
which
can
be
found
on
the
web
page
of
the
referrals
committee,
which
can
be
linked
to
from
the
city's
web
page
that
lists
all
of
the
committees
on
the
agenda,
you
will
see
a
link
to
a
spreadsheet,
a
publicly
publicly
accessible
google
document
called
the
referral
tracker.
A
A
So
the
the
way
the
agenda
is
structured
is
exactly,
as
you
said,
first,
it's
kind
of
a
meta
discussion
and
followed
by
an
actual
discussion,
but
I
would
say
that
the
meta
discussion,
which
is
item
four
on
our
agenda
for
me,
comes
in
a
whole
bunch
of
parts
as
well,
of
which,
honestly
the
the
last
part
might
be
the
criteria
or
a
middle
or
later
part
might
be
the
criteria.
A
A
Are
we
literally
putting
items
on
committee
agendas
which
I
think
we
were
not
empowered
to
do
frankly
or
are
we
doing
something
else
and
if,
if
we're
doing
something
else,
what
exactly
is
it
and-
and
I
have
a
proposal
that
I
want
to
float
by
you
if
that's
okay,
which
is
it
seems
to
me
that
we
have
a
two-step
process
that
we
might
contemplate?
One
is
pick
a
committee
so
like,
if
you
go
on
the
tracker.
A
Hwe
policy
and
you
go
to
column
f.
A
The
council
is
listed
as
the
counselor
committee
is
listed
as
tbd,
so
so
so
one
job
would
be
to
simply
literally
decide
where
the
thing
ought
to
go,
and
then
you
go
to
the
next
column
and
there's
the
scheduled
agenda
dates
and
obviously
we
don't
have
the
authority
to
fill
that
in
in
a
binding
way,
but
I
think
we
ought
to
do
something
there
and
what
I
would
propose
for
your
consideration
is
just
that
we
we
essentially
have
a
switch.
A
We
can
flip
that
declares
the
item
ready
for
consideration
and
at
that
point
we
would.
Our
expectation
which
may
or
may
not
be
met
would
be
that
hey.
Then
it
would
get
put
on
a
an
agenda
for
the
relevant
committee,
essentially
immediately,
so
that's
kind
of
how
I've
contemplated
it.
I'm
not
wedded
to
it,
but
I
thought
that
would
be
kind
of
an
approach
that
might
work
give
either
of
you
have
reactions
to
that.
D
A
Well,
and
that's,
I
think
that
is
the
question
that
council
member
ravel
raised
of
you
know
what
are
our
criteria,
but
you
know
it'd,
be
sort
of
some
combination
of
either
doesn't
require
much
of
a
memo
or
staff
has
done
like
work,
so
the
memo
is
close
to
ready,
plus
there's
room.
You
know
the
committee
has
time
to
consider
it
stuff
like
that.
D
A
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
would
not
to
be
too
technical
about
it,
but
I
would
probably
support
adding
an
additional
column,
because
I
don't
think
scheduled
agenda
date
is
something
that
we
ought
to
be
filling
in,
because
it's
just
literally
not
something
we're
allowed
to
fill
in.
So
I
would
say
a
different
column
that
would
include
you
know
our
advice
to
the
committee,
let's
say,
or
something
like
that,
so
that
so
that
we're
able
to
articulate
our
recommendation
without
sort
of
pretending
that
it's
something
it's
not.
D
B
May
I
interject
it
for
a
second
please,
so
my
understanding
of
one
of
the
purposes
behind
this
committee
and
why
why
it
was
thought
by
the
council
to
be
necessary
was
that
there
was
you
know
more
referrals
than
there
was
actually
time
available
to
hear
them
all
at
an
agenda.
So
the
the
goal,
I
think
of
this
committee-
is
to
prioritize
those.
B
We
may
have
10
that
are
ready
to
go
but
which
ones
are
the
most
important
to
get
on
the
agenda
first
and
while
the
committee
may
feel
like
it
doesn't
have
the
authority
to
actually
schedule.
I
think
that
you
know
having
me
here
in
collaboration
with
you
is
to
help
you
understand,
what's
currently
scheduled
on
specific
agendas
and
what
slots
might
be
available
for
those
that
the
committee
seems
to
be
the
ones
that
should
be
prioritized.
D
D
So
if
you
know-
and
it
says
not
scheduled
yet
I
don't
know
exactly
why
it's
not
scheduled,
but
if
we
said
okay
well,
just
because
this
one
has
been
on
the
agenda,
you
know
the
referral
was
made
so
long
ago.
We
think
that
one
should
go
in
the
next
into
the
you
know.
Next
human
services
meeting
is
that
what
you're
getting
to
like?
We
would
prioritize.
I
mean
we
would
have
other
criteria
to
prioritize,
but
something
that's
been
referred
so
long
ago.
It
seemed
like
it
would
be
worth
us
saying:
hey.
D
We
need
to
get
this
on
the
agenda.
Now
we
don't
know
what
else
just
from
this
sheet
here
is
already
on
the
human
services
agenda
and
it's
going
to
take,
in
my
opinion,
some
redundancy
to
say:
hey
city
manager,
hey
staff.
We
think
this
one
needs
to
come
up
for
at
least
discussion,
because
it's
been
referred
so
long
ago
and
then
have
you
guys
come
back
and
say
well,
we
can't
have
for
discussion
because
the
calendar
is
already
full
and
then
we're
kind
of
in
this
back
and
forth.
D
So
I
guess
my
other
question
is:
is
there
a
way
for
us
to
see
what's
already
pending
on
agendas?
Is
that
a
function
that
we
currently
have
in
the
city?
Where
you
can
you
know
someone
can
be
giving
us
that
information,
so
we
have
an
idea
of
what
we're
looking
at,
because
right
now,
if
we
make
these
suggestions
or
recommendations
for
where
things
should
be
placed,
and
we
have
to
wait
for
your
team
to
tell
us
what's
already
there
we're
kind
of
doing
double
work.
B
So,
yes,
we
have
a
schedule
that
has
the
tentative
agenda
items
for
future
committee
and
council
meetings.
We
could
do
a
couple
of
things.
We
could
bring
that
up
on
the
thing
over
there
and
look
at
it
while
you
guys
are
discussing
and
so
that
you
see
like
where
things
are
and
what's
sort
of
slided
out
or
the
other
thing
we
could
do
is.
B
If
you
look
at
this
referral
tracker,
we
could
add
a
second
column
that
allows
you
to
prioritize
the
ones
that
aren't
scheduled
one
through
ten
one
being
the
most
important
to
get
on
the
very
next
agenda
when
possible,
and
then
the
second
third
fourth
on
and
on
and
on
so
there's
like
two
different
ways.
I
think
we
could
look
at
actually
putting
these
in
where,
where
do
you
think
they
should
go?
And
maybe.
A
C
Right
well,
ranking
them
sounds
like
we're
putting
different
items
in
competition
with
each
other,
and
I
guess
I
would
say
we
would
say
you
know,
I'm
not
having
a
voice
this
morning
this.
This
is
a
high
priority
item
we
may
have
at
the
end
of
the
day.
At
the
end
of
the
morning,
have
five
high
priority
items.
C
It
may
not
all
even
be
for
the
right
same
committee,
but
and
then
and
then
we'd
have
sort
of
here's
a
second
level
priority,
and
it
may
be
second
level
because
we
acknowledge
that
it's
going
to
require
more
staff
time
or
something
it's
not
that
it's
not
as
important
as
a
first
priority
issue.
But
it's
not
it's
just
not
ready.
Yet.
A
C
Well,
I
guess
I
would
say
I
would
say
I'd
look
at
each
item
separately
from
it
all
the
others
and
we
get
through.
I
I'm
looking
at
the
first
item,
which
of
course
is
the
most
recent
one
from
mayor
biss
options
to
make
downtown
evanston
more
walkable.
I
would
say:
okay,
we're
going
to
look
at
this,
and
I
is
this
time
sensitive.
C
Does
this
to
me.
You
know
I
sent
I
sent
you
all
a
list
of
my.
You
know
draft
five,
five
criteria.
I've
would
I
used
as
I
looked
at
these
you
know,
is
it
going
to
require
a
lot
of
staff
resources
to
get
us
ready
to
talk
about
it?
Is
it
an
issue
that
relates
to
policies
we
already
have
here
in
evanston,
or
is
it
a
brand
new
area?
C
A
I
mean
I
I
would.
I
think
that
process
sounds
great,
I'm
not
sold
on
the
output,
because
I
want
the
output
to
be
simple
and
clear.
I
think
the
more
some
the
more
clarity
of
what
we
actually
generate
the
less
opportunity
there
is
for
all
of
the
things
we
don't
want
to
happen.
D
D
Also,
this
is
what's
already
on
human
services
agenda.
You
know,
for
example,
and
so
this
is
our
recommendation.
This
would
go
to
human
services
kind
of
in
two
months
versus
one
month.
You
know
it's
committed
only
meets
once
a
month,
so
it's
a
little
different
but-
and
you
know
kind
of
this-
is
the
rationale
for
that.
A
If
the
two
of
you
want
to
talk
that
through
first
that's
fine,
my
bottom
line
is,
I
don't
want
to
leave
this
meeting
without
total
clarity
on
what
our
product
is
right.
I
I
don't
want
to
walk
we're
going
to
there's
going
to
be
some
things
that
we
walk
away
today
from
sort
of
totally
clear
on
some
things.
We
walk
away
kind
of
still
needing
to
resolve,
and
I
want
one
of
the
things
that
we're
clear
on
is
when
this
committee
has
done
its
work
on
a
particular
referral.
D
D
It's
going
to
go
to
human
services
it
this
this.
You
know
memo
is
going
to
take
a
long
time,
so
it's
going
to
go
to
human
services
in
three
months
or
it's
going
to
be
three
months,
because
human
services
are
already
full
or
whatever
the
case
is,
and
that
would
be
the
product,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
product
is
in
the
form
of
I
mean
when
you
say
product
not
for
someone,
a
tangible
product,
that
we
would
then
be
able
to
tell
our
peers
like
no.
A
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
guess
that
was
my
assumption
of
this
committee,
but
you
but
then
you
also
said
we
don't
have
the
authority
to
put
the
date
on
there.
So
then
I'm
so
I'm
a
little
bit
lost.
I
mean
granted.
I
can't
say
on
the
june
22nd,
you
know
apnw
committee.
This
thing
is
going
to
be
on
that
agenda.
Guaranteed
item
number
five
for
discussion.
I
mean
right.
D
We
can't
do
that
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
come
into
play
on
every
agenda,
but
I
think
we
can
give
a
recommendation
like
this
should
go
in
the
next
month.
They
should
go
on
the
next
two
months.
This
should
you
know
this
is
a
discussion
item,
so
we
can
go
faster
because
we
don't
have
a
memo
to
reduce
yeah.
A
That's
the
thing
we
can
do,
I'm
just
all
I'm
saying
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
different
things
we
could
do
and
that's
one
of
them
and
if
that's
what
we
want
to
do,
we
should
say
that
and
and
put
that
question
to
bed
right.
That's
that's!
That's
like
a
that's,
a
very
different
approach
than
saying
we're
going
to
run
this
formula
and
then
spit
out
a
number
and
then
and
then
give
that
numerical
score
to
the
chair
of
the
a
pw
committee
right
like
there's
a
lot
of
different.
D
No,
I
think
we
give
them
a
recommendation
on
whether
it's
based
on
a
score,
a
you
know,
whatever
it
is,
we
say
to
apn
w
or
the
city
manager's
office
and
the
clerk's
office,
and
the
apw
chair
here
are
the
things
that
we
think
fit.
Whatever
criteria
we've
come
up
with
or
have
gone
through
whatever
process,
and
that
should
get
on
the
agenda
in
the
next
60
days.
Here
is
that
list.
C
A
A
D
A
A
So
I
think
it
would
make
sense,
then,
for
council
member
revell
to
describe
the
proposed
scoring
mechanism
that
she's
put
so
much
time
into
so
we
can
talk
about
it.
C
Sure,
well,
so
I
did
think
that
one
of
the
first
critical
things
to
look
at
is
is
how
time
sensitive
is
this
issue?
Is
it
something
because
we've
had
a
couple
of
new
items
that
have
come
to
the
council
unexpectedly,
but
they
were
time
sensitive,
because
the
idea
was
to
make
some
changes
this
summer,
so
I
would
say
you
know
so
that
would
get
a
one
on
my
you
know
the
lower
the
number
the
better
in
my
score,
so
that
would
get
a
one,
because
I
do
you
know.
C
If
we're
going
to
talk
about
it,
it
would
make
sense
to
talk
about
it
right
now.
Then
other
ish
items
on
here
are
not
really
not
at
all
time
sensitive.
They
may
be
important,
but
you
know
I
would
give
them
so
I
would
rank
them
from.
Is
it
time
sensitive,
somewhat
time,
sensitive
or
not
time
sensitive,
then
my
second
criteria
would
be
scope
and
by
that
I'm
thinking
of
staff
resources
that
would
have
to
go
into
research
or
drafting
a
proposed
ordinance,
or
you
know
some
kind
of
a
detailed
memo.
C
So
is
it
low
in
terms
of
the
demand
on
staff
resources,
or
is
it
moderate
or
is
it
high
demand
on
staff?
The
third
area
was:
is
it
something
that's
taking
an
existing
city
policy
and
saying
gosh?
This
really
needs
this
isn't
working,
we
need
to
amend
it
or
we
need
to
expand
it
or,
or
is
it
a
totally
brand
new
area
that
we
don't
have
any
anything
in
our
code
that
addresses
this
topic,
so
it's
either.
C
It
moves
from
modifying
an
existing
policy
all
the
way
to
a
totally
brand
new
policy
area.
The
fourth
one
is
sort
of
the
community
interest.
Is
it
something
that
we,
the
council,
are
going
to
be
able
to
just
kind
of
talk
among
ourselves
or
the
committee
etc?
With
some,
you
know,
public
comment
and
those
kind.
C
You
know
sort
of
a
normal,
pretty
contained
amount
of
discussion,
or
is
it
something
that
the
community
is
really
going
to
want
to
engage
in
and
and
we're
going
to
want
to
have
community
input
on
a
pretty
broad
scale,
a
detailed
basis?
C
So
I
would
say:
low
low
means,
not
not
anticipating
having
any
additional
kinds
of
community
meetings
other
than
what
happens
here
in
the
council
chambers
or
in
a
committee
meeting
all
the
way
to
high
community
interests
where
we'd
want
to
have
town
halls
or
or
something
like
that,
and
then
the
third
area
was
is
it?
Is
it
likely
to
generate
a
lot
of
not
only
community
interest
but
community
controversy,
and
so
is
it
because
that's
obviously
going
to
end
up
if
it's
high
on
the
community
controversy
criteria,
it
would
be.
C
You
know
something
that
would
be
pretty
time
time
intensive
for
council
members
and
for
staff.
So
those
were.
Those
are
the
ones
that
I
came
up
with,
as
I
was
trying
to
think
through
these
items.
D
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me.
The
only
thing
I
would
add
is
if
it's
something
that
someone
put
a
referral
in
this
for
discussion,
then
maybe
these
things
don't
I
mean
they
could
count,
but
maybe
they
don't
count
right.
A
discussion
item
probably
is
going
to
need.
It
has
no
memo,
usually
so.
D
It
through
theirs,
but
those
might
have
a
kind
of
a
different
score,
because
all
these
things
might
not
be
applicable
and
then
the
only
other
thing
I
thought
of
is
and
maybe
that
something
like
this
would
not
meet.
Even
this
wouldn't
get
to
this
point.
But
when
the
referral
comes
in,
is
there
clarity
for
us
to
even
make
a
decision
right?
Do
we
need
more
clarity,
but
that
that
then,
that
referral?
D
I
would
assume
we
as
a
committee,
would
tend
back
to
our
peers
and
say
we
just
need
more
information
to
even
kind
of
run
it
through
this
new
scoring.
So
then
that
wouldn't
matter
yeah
so,
but
that's
this,
I
think,
is
plenty
of
coverage.
I
think,
having
three
versus
like
a
scale
of
five
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Again.
People
can
debate
this
and
I
think
we'll
just
have
to
be
open
for
that
up.
A
A
One
thing
that
I
think
is
not
here
that
would
be
worth
contemplating
is
the
level
of
enthusiasm
and
support
on
council
you
know:
are
there?
Are
there
multiple
people
who
want
to
see
this
discussion
happen
and,
if
so,
how
many
and
with
what
intensity?
A
One
item
that
I
think
isn't
really
here
the
little
delicate
but
probably
worth
considering,
is
the
importance
of
the
issue
relative
to
our
stated
goals.
Right,
like
I
made
a
referral,
it's
something
I
care
about,
but
it's
not
really
about
carp
or
equity
or
housing
affordability.
So
maybe
that's.
A
But
you
know
we
I
I
know
we
we,
I
think,
talk
regularly
about
how
maybe
we
could
afford
to
update
and
be
more
clear
and
and
persistent
and
sticking
to
our
our
council
goals,
but
you
know,
should
adhere.
Should
alignment
with
those
goals
be
be
an
issue
here?
The
next
question:
I
totally
understand
that
items,
d
and
e
community
interest
versus
community
controversy
are
identical,
but
they're
sort
of
similar
do
we
need
two
different
categories
for
those
and
the
final
question
is
to
to
react
to
counselor
fleming's
characterization.
A
A
D
So
I
do
think
d
and
e
could
could
be
one
thing.
You
know
the
council
goals,
I
think,
are
important.
However,
we
haven't
made
council
goals,
so
we
would
be
reacting
council
goals
made
from
the
last
council
that
I
would
even
say
I
don't
know
how
much
time
we
spend
on
those
council
goals
versus
sometimes
staff
bringing
us
the
goals,
because
so
I
think
that
is
important,
but
that
is
maybe
something
we
can't.
D
I
mean
I
don't
know
I
just
we
as
a
new
council
have
not
made
council
goals,
so
that's
just
something
to
consider
as
we're.
Judging
these
things
and
then
the
other
thing
is
how
much
support
it
has.
I
don't
really
know
how
we
gauge
that
right.
So
your
referral
about
sidewalks
or
walkability
that
I
didn't
even
know
until
I
looked
at
this
memo
like.
Are
you
going
to
be
the
one
who
put
the
referral
in
to
say,
like
this
says
yeah?
D
A
Let
me
answer
that
what
I'm
envisioning
is
just
giving
an
extra
tool
to
an
eager
council
member
who's
trying
to
trying
to
get
their
thing
heard
faster
is
if
they
they
have
the
opportunity.
If
they
feel
like
it
to
go
to
other
people
and
say
hey,
would
you
would
you
send
an
email
to
the
clerk
and
the
referrals
committee
seconding
this
particular
referral?
And
if
that,
if
we
get
several
of
those,
that's
an
indication
you
know,
rather
than
putting
the
onus
on
us
to
go
and
survey
people
and.
D
A
A
That's
where
you
get
the
hard
work
that
there's
competing,
I
mean
clearly
these
are
already
competing
criteria.
The
question
is:
does
having
the
support
of
five
people
on
council
count
as
another
competing
criterion
that
we
want
to?
We
don't
need
to
I'm
just
you
know
it's
a
it's
one
I
mean
other,
as
some
of
us
have
discussed.
A
I
think
offline
other
one
way
that
other
communities
deal
with
this
problem
is
to
say
your
issue
doesn't
get
hurt
until
you
have
a
certain
number
of
people
on
the
council
who
are
willing
to
say
it's
that
they
all
support
it.
I
think
we
don't
want
that
here
in
evanston,
because
we
know
that
each
ward
is
different
and
we
don't
want
to.
D
Answer
is
no,
that's
fine!
No,
I
think
it's
worth
being
on
our
list
for
sure
I
just
don't
know
how
we
waited
compared
to
something
that's
time
sensitive
or
you
know,
because
time
sensitive
could
be.
A
variety
of
things
could
be
like
a
budget
matter
that
we
need
to
solidify
pretty
soon
so
I
definitely
think
it
should
be
on
there.
I
guess
I'm
just
not
sure
yeah
I
mean.
A
I'm
going
to
weigh
in
as
a
mathematician
now
I
think
I
think
we
are
in
danger
of
landing
in
too
complicated
territory
already.
I
think,
like
it's
just
another
layer
of
complexity.
On
top
of
this
type
of
structure,
I
think
would
be
a
mistake.
I
think
we
we
don't
want
it
to.
We
don't
want
someone
to
need
to
get
a
phd
in
referrals
ology
to
be
able
to
understand
what
we're
doing
here.
I
I
worry
that
if
it's
okay,
here's
the
primary
criteria
and
they
give.
D
D
Okay,
so
what
if
we
combine
d
and
e
into
some
other,
you
know
just
community
interest
and
we
know
the
interest
could
be
positive
or
negative.
And
that's
we
understand
that
and
then
he
is
has
support
of
several
council
members
or
whatever
right
has.
Has
some
council
support,
or
you
know
something
very
vague
and
what
was
your
other
one,
daniel
yeah.
C
I'm
thinking
about
my
one
referral
on
here,
which
is
you
know
we
want
to
have
the
bird-friendly
provisions
into
our
when
we
update
our
building
code,
which
we're
doing
this
summer.
I
want
to
make
sure
there's
a
bird
friendly.
You
know,
but
that's
not
something.
That's
on
most
of
my
colleagues
radar
screen,
I
think,
do
I
need
to.
A
I'm
certainly
happy
leaving
it
off.
You
prefer
my
as
someone
who
I
guess
has
backed
himself
into
advocating
for
it.
I
I
would
say
the
rejoinder
to
that
is
number
one.
This
committee,
I'm
committed,
I
believe
all
of
us
are
committed
to
the
notion.
This
committee's
job
is
not
to
hold
things
up
period
and
number
two.
I
would
say
first
of
all,
you
just
explain
why
it's
time
sensitive
right,
so
then
it's
kind
of
case
closed,
but
even
if
that
weren't
the
case,
I
would
say
you
know
what
I
think.
A
D
I
also
feel
like
we're
humans
with
personalities,
and
so
the
person
who
gets
on
everyone's
nerves,
who
might
be
me-
and
I
get
support
from
my
thing,
because
people
just
don't
want
to
hear
me-
have
another
thing,
and
so
I
think
we
have
to
be
very
honest
about
that
being
another
layer,
when
my
items
being
heard
has
to
do
with
me,
potentially
getting
more
support
and
getting
that
support
might
be
hindered
based
on
people's
personal
feelings.
I'm.
B
D
A
D
A
Yeah
and
we're
comfortable,
at
least
for
now,
leaving
off
this
issue
of
council
support.
I
think
council
member
fleming
was
concerned
about
a
kind
of
alignment
with
goals,
because
I
don't
really
have
clear
enough
clarity
in
that
to
be
to
be
confident
about
that.
No.
D
C
A
A
So
the
items
and
each
would
be
given
a
score
from
one
to
three
one
sort
of
puts
you
to
the
front
of
the
line
and
three
puts
you
to
the
back
of
the
line.
So
you
wind
up
with
a
score
between
five
and
fifteen,
where
five
means
we're
going
to
call
a
special
meeting
of
council
in
five
minutes
and
do
it
right
now
and
fifteen
means
good
luck.
The
first
item
is
time
sensitivity.
A
A
A
I
mean
the
danger
this
is
you
know,
there's
like
no
child
left
behind
the
danger
of
spitting
out
a
number.
Is
that
people
then
take
the
number
really
seriously,
and
so
I
guess
the
question
is:
how
seriously
are
we
going
to
take
the
numbers
that
are
the
outcome
of
this?
Knowing
that
we
can't
take
it
100
seriously,
because
sometimes
time
sensitivity
will
trump
everything
else?
So
how
do
we
want
to?
How
do
we
anticipate
working
through
that.
C
Well
so
maybe
I
mean
the
only
reason
I
tried
to
do.
Numbers
was
so
that
I'd
have
a
way
to
compare
the
different
items,
but
maybe
the
product
that
we
produce
is.
This
is
a
high
priority
issue.
This
is
moderate
and
this
is
low
priority,
and
then
that
gives
direction
to
staff
about
where
to
try
to
what?
What
meeting
to
try
to
put
it
on
the
agenda.
A
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
put
his
back
on
our
doom
loop
from
before,
but
I
I
I
thought
that
I
thought
the
council
member
fleming's
suggestion
of
like
no.
We
really
think
this
ought
to
be
on
an
agenda
the
next
60
days,
as
sort
of
the
you
know
as
the
level
of
specificity
that
felt
pretty
good
to
me.
A
D
Well,
so
what
if
our
numbers
scale
again,
we
I
understand,
we
don't
want
to
be
totally
held
to
that,
but
we
have
to
have
something
to
guide
us
right.
So
this
is
what
we've
decided.
People
could
could
hate
it,
and
if
it's
1
to
15
are
the,
I
think,
that's
what
you
said
are
the
options
one
to
five,
no
five
to
fifteen
got
it.
So
if
it's
one
to
five
is
priority
five
to
ten
right
they're,
not
that
many
numbers,
and
so
if
it's
one
to
five,
maybe
we
say
okay.
D
A
My
point
is:
we
can't
be
that
rigid
because,
for
example,
if
something
scores
poorly
on
everything,
except
for
time
sensitivity,
but
it's
truly
urgent.
We
can't
say:
oh
well,
this
got
a
13,
so
hopefully
you'll
do
it
in
the
next
three
months.
We've
got
to
say
this
has
this
is
urgent,
and
so
we
we
can't
be
willing
to
take
the
numbers
as
gospel.
We
have
to
have
some
a
judgment.
Call
at
the
back
end.
D
No
and
it's,
but
so
I
gave
that
to
say
this
can
be
our
kind
of
general
guiding
principle
but
yeah.
Just
like
anything
aside
from
the
sat
score,
there
is
going
to
be
some
flexibility
right,
so
yes,
the
score
of
this
score
to
12
because
of
all
these
other
criteria.
Yet
this
decision
needs
to
be
made
by
you
know
whatever
november
1st,
because
it
has
to
do
with
snow
plows.
D
Therefore,
even
though
it's
and
we
can,
as
a
committee,
I
think
say
that
right,
it
scored
a
13,
but
because
it's
dealing
with
snow
plows,
you
know
it
is
actually
needs
to
go
on
the
agenda
tomorrow.
So
we
can
pay
the
bill
and
people
will
just
have
to
understand
that
the
numbers
kind
of
are
guiding
us,
but
we
are
not
led
to
them,
but
we
need
something
to
guide
us.
A
I
think
that's
great
as
long
as
we
I
just
wanted
us
to
say
that
into
microphones,
yes
out
loud
in
advance,
to
establish
that
that
that
we'll
we'll
take
this
number,
this
scoring
exercise
seriously.
We'll
do
we'll
think
hard.
We'll
do
our
best
it'll
spit
out
a
number
and
then
we'll
use
that
number,
along
with
our
best
judgment,
to
determine
an
actual
official
recommendation.
D
Exactly
and
I
think
if
we
want
to
have
an
actual
product
which,
maybe
again
I'm
a
tangible
thinker,
we
have
that
you
know
we
add
that
extra
column
as
you've
mentioned
and
this
you
know
this
got
a
score
of
four
and
then
there's
another
column
that
explains
either
yeah.
It's
a
four.
So
it's
three
to
six
months:
it's
a
four,
but
it's
actually
time
sensitive.
It's
tomorrow,
it's
a
four
or
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
one,
but
it
needs
x,
y
and
z.
So
it's
actually
nine
months
out
or
you
know,
I
don't
know.
A
No,
I
think,
that's
and
so
we're
cutting
out
here.
I
personally
like
that,
a
lot
a
column
with
a
number
and
then
a
column
with
a
final
answer,
and
you
know
the
responsibility
on
us.
If
those
two
look
like
they're
out
of
whack,
we've
got
to
explain
it
right.
D
A
B
B
What
exactly
is
asked
and
then
a
lot
of
staff
time
is
devoted
to
something
that
may
or
may
not
move
forward.
So
if
there
is
a
common
understanding
or
an
agreement
amongst
the
council
that
all
referrals
come
as
discussion
first,
then
the
committee
that
receives
the
referral
can
review
it.
Get
feedback,
ask
staff
for
more
information
if
they
need
it
and
then
provide
a
direction,
whether
it
be
to
move
forward
or
not
to
bring
back
something
or
to
let
the
issue
quote:
unquote
die
that
maximizes
these
the
use
of
our
resources
going
forward.
A
I
guess
my
reaction
to
that
is
I
I
strongly
agree
that
the
that
should
be
the
default.
I'm
not
sure
just
you
know,
as
we
talk
about
time
sensitivity,
I'm
not
sure
that
it's
practical
for
that
to
be
a
universal
rule,
and
I'm
wondering
what
the
two
of
you
feel
about
that.
D
However,
when
we
look
at
things
that
the
council
bring
forward,
if
they
always
only
go
for
discussion
and
then
we
look
at
things
that
you
know
that,
sometimes
you
know
whatever
happens
in
staff,
bring
something
forward
and
it's
for
introduction
or
it's
you
know,
suspension
of
the
rules
for
introduction
action.
You
know,
then,
that
I
think
here
and
lies
some
of
the
rub,
because
then
people
feel
like
well.
D
My
thing
has
to
go
for
discussion
and
85
steps
and
someone
else's
thing
gets
to
go
for
special
order,
business
or
whatever,
and
so
I
I'm
happy
to
have.
You
know
I
guess
a
different
discussion
about
what
goes
for
discussion.
What
can
go
for
introduction,
but
I
think
to
to
say
everything
goes
for
discussion
because,
as
we
know,
sometimes
discussion
depending
on
where
it
lands
is
not
clear
direction
for
the
staff,
and
so
then
it
might
be
discussion.
D
And
if
it's
my
referral,
I'm
very
passionate
and
maybe
eleanor
is
very
passionate,
but
the
rest
of
my
committee
might
be
like
yeah.
I
don't
really
care
either
way
and
if,
if
that's
the
way
it's
operating,
the
staff
is
unclear.
Like
did
we
move
forward
with
more
work
on
this?
Do
we
not
and
then
it
either
leaves
me
needed
to
make
another
referral
with
like?
D
I
want
this
to
move
forward
in
this
direction
or
just
kind
of
trying
to
work
the
crowd
a
little
harder
than
I
should
have
to
about
my
item
becoming
an
intro
like
eleanor's
bird
item,
not
something
that
I'm
up
at
night
thinking
about,
and
so
at
the
discussion
I
might
be
like
it's
fine,
but
that
that
doesn't
really
do
anything
for
our
staff.
They
don't
know
what
to
do
with
my
liking
and
if
eleanor
is
the
only
one
really
passionate
about
it,
would
it
then
move
to
action?
I
mean?
Would
it
then
move
to
introduction?
D
Would
that
be
like
enough
clarity
for
you,
as
a
city
manager
to
say,
okay
that
needs
to
go
for
introduction
next
or
that
kind
of
fail
flat
discussion?
I
mean
it's
kind
of
like
the
discussion
which
they
just
had
about
the
thing
that
I
was
really
passionate
about
the
sidewalks
right.
So
staff
made
this
whole
presentation
and
memo
and
the
committee
was
kind
of
like.
Oh
thanks
and
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
our
staff
knew
what
to
do
with
that
and
again
that
that's.
D
C
It
would
be
helpful,
though,
if
the
memo
for
the
that
we
we
do
need
a
memo,
even
if
it's
just
for
discussion,
it
would
lay
out
you
know
some
options
and
and
really
seek
direction
from
specific
direction
about.
Yes,
we
want
to
do
a
or
b
or
or
c
so
so
it
wouldn't
just
sort
of
feel
like
it
was
never
going
to
go
anywhere.
A
So
I
I
agree
that
this
is
an
important
issue.
I'm
not
sure
that
we're.
A
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
in
a
we
have
a
decision
to
make
about
this.
Frankly,
I
mean
I
I
unless,
unless
you,
unless
the
city
manager
disagrees,
that
we
that
we
shouldn't
have
a
binding
rule
right.
B
A
There's
a
proposal
to
say
everything
goes
on
for
discussion,
no
matter
what,
then
I
think
we
got
to
talk
about
that.
But
if,
if
the
view
is
a
lot
of,
things
should
go
on
agenda
for
discussion,
but
not
everything
we're
just
going
to
work
through
that
during
the
course
of
our
effort.
Is
everyone
comfortable
with
that
course
of
action?
A
I
do
want
to
flag
one
thing
that
council
member
fleming
mentioned
that
I
think
again
nothing
we
are
going
to
really
do
about
today,
but
it's
just
going
to
be
an
issue
for
us
to
track.
Is
the
question
about
staff
initiated
items?
A
We
had
a
sort
of
slightly
confusing
discussion
and
rules
about
which
staff
initiated
items
would
come
to
us
and
which
ones
wouldn't,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
obvious-
that
the
bills
list
wouldn't
and
the
idea
that
we
should
all
of
a
sudden
enact
sweeping
regulations
on
plantings
and
parkways.
Would
you
know
that
there's
that's
the
gap
between
kind
of
the
mechanical
operation
of
city
government
versus
a
new
policy
idea,
drawing
that
line
is
going
to
be
delicate
and
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
that's
just.
A
Are
I
feel,
really
good
about
the
discussion?
We've
had
about
assessment
criteria
for
referrals
or
is
everyone
comfortable
moving
on?
Are
you
okay?
So
the
next
item
that
we
ought
to
discuss
is
council
member
fleming,
prepared
a
draft
referral
form
and
that
we
were
which
is
similar,
but
not
identical
to
the
reform
that
exists
online,
which
I
guess
has
been
used
internally,
but
not
actually
by
council
members
making
referrals
so
councilmember
fleming
going
to
say
a
word
about
what
you
what
you
have
in
mind
here.
D
D
You
know
until
you
see
it
on
the
agenda
again,
so
this
would
allow
us,
as
a
council
member,
to
not
only
make
a
referral
but
also
push
us
to
provide
some
some
clarity
so
for
people
who
are
obviously
not
here,
it's
just
a
simple
form.
It
just
lists
who
made
the?
What
is
the
referral
request?
Where
I
would
write?
You
know
dog
waste
removal
or
whatever
my
thing
is,
and
then
my
name
is
the
person
who
submitted
it
the
date
I
submitted
it
just
for
clarity
by
all
parties
and
the
ultimate
goal.
D
D
It
also
gives
the
referrer
an
opportunity
to
you
know
attach
any
links
or
materials
that
they
want
as
part
of
either
a
memo
or
staff
to
reference
or
whatever
research
they
might
have
done
on
their
own,
and
then
it
has
this
line
which
I'm
not
with
to
which
says
request
for
suspension
of
the
rules
for
introduction
and
action.
D
That
does
happen
quite
a
bit.
I
think
we
probably
later
on
can
discuss
when
that's
applicable,
but
that
also
would
just
allow
the
referral
committee
and
the
city
manager's
office
to
understand
again
what
the
what
the
goals
are,
what
the
requests
are.
But
if
you
want
suspension
over
rules
for
introduction
and
action,
it
has
the
space
here
where
you
need
to
provide
rationale
for
that.
D
So
it's
based
on
you
know
time
sensitive
or
finances
or
whatever,
so
that
again
we're
not
just
putting
things
up
there
that
are
going
to
rush
to
the
system
for
not
a
very
valid
reason,
and
then
it
has
this
kind
of
space
that
I
have
said
kind
of
for
internal
use,
which
is
just
verifying
that
the
referral
was
received,
and
I
would
assume
that's
done
by
the
clerk's
office.
D
So
if
we
use
this,
we
could
say
this
is
where
we
could
elaborate
on
60
90
days
whatever
it
is,
and
then
there's
this
just
piece
on
here
about,
and
maybe
this
is
redone.
Oh.
D
A
redundant
line
so
never
mind
my
last
line
here,
so
it's
just
a
very
simple
form,
but
I
think,
having
referrals
and
writing
either
on
a
paper
or
online
or
email
or
something
makes
a
lot
of
sense
just
for
tracking,
and
then
we
talked
about
using
some
kind
of
referral
tracking
system,
that's
open
for
the
public.
If
we
decide
to
go
that
way,
this
kind
of
just
helps
the
clerk
or
whoever's
going
to
manage
that
system
to
have
something
to
go
off
of.
But
so
that's
my
rationale.
C
I
I'm
I
like
all
of
this,
except
the
the
one
that
where
we
say
we're
actually
kind
of
encouraging
people
to
think
about
requesting
suspension
of
the
rules.
I
I
mean,
I
think
that's
got
to
be
such
a
rarely
used.
C
Action
process
so,
but
we
could
ask
for
something
that
asks
about
the
time
sensitivity.
We
ask
the
person.
Is
this:
how
time
sensitive
is
your
issue
if
we
wanted
to
kind
of
get
it
get
that
kind
of
information,
and
that
would
that
would
kind
of
get
at
the
suspension
of
the
rules
issue
without
but
more
indirectly,.
A
A
Great
so
then
I
mean
I
hate
to
get
all
technical.
Is
the
idea
to
have
a
web
form
that
feeds
into
the
tracker?
Is
it
would
that
be
your
intent
council,
member.
D
Yeah,
that's
fine!
I
you
know
the
tracker,
I
don't
know
exactly
who's
responsible
and
how
you
know,
I'm
not
a
tech
person,
so
yeah.
C
D
Had
a
google
doc
or
something
that
led
into
the
tracker
would
make
sense.
However,
we
want
to
do
it.
We
talked
about
this
going
to
the
clerk,
so
there's
a
record,
I'm
not
necessarily
way
to
that,
but
there
does
need
to
be
some
kind
of
record,
and
I
think
my
most
important
thing
for
me
or
for
us
is,
would
be
the
ultimate
goal
in
this
and
then
to
have
people
really
kind
of
lay
out
what
the
referral
list,
so
we
can't
just
say,
clean
sidewalks.
A
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
very
happy
with
all
this.
My
only
question
which
the
city
manager
might
be
in
a
position
to
answer
right
now
but
also
might
not
is,
is
the
security
question.
In
other
words,
if
it's
a
if
it's
an
open
web
form
where
you
just
type
in
the
name
of
the
council
member,
you
are
that's
problematic,
so
we
need
some
sort
of
authentication
system.
A
Even
if
there
were
an
authentication
system
given
the
output
is
public,
do
we
want
to
hold
things
in
in
an
embargo,
so
they
can
be
checked
for
profanity
or
vulgarity
or
something
like
is
there?
Is
there
anything
we
want
to
do
around
that
other
than
just
have
a
totally
open
web
form.
B
A
A
D
Yeah
I
hadn't
thought
that
much
about
internet
security,
so
I
mean
I
guess
I
should
be
in
the
recent
letters
I've
gotten
but,
and
I
also
would
think
that
if
someone
said
some
crazy
referral
in
under
whoever's
name
that
the
clerk
will
be
like,
that
is
a
little
bit
out
there.
Let
me
call
the
council
member
and
make
sure.
B
D
And
so
would
we
then
talk
to
our
peers?
Obviously,
when
we
figured
this
all
out,
if
I
gave
one
at
recall
of
the
wars,
I
also
have
the
responsibility
of
taking
upon
myself
and
then
putting
it
into
whatever
system,
so
they
would
understand
like
it
is
not
the
clerk's
responsibility.
If
I
verbally
give
a
referral
to
then
do
the
backhand
work.
B
Yes,
she
was
very
clear
on
how
the
referral
I
believe,
according
to
the
rules,
must
be
made
in
writing,
and
so,
if
you
make
it
a
call
of
the
words
and
you
don't
then
subsequently
fill
out
the
form,
it's
not
a
referral,
it's
not
a
referral.
Until
it's
been
submitted
to
the
clerk.
A
Great,
so
it's
ten
o'clock.
A
There's
some
immediately
concrete
things
we
need
to
handle
number
one.
We
need
to
plan
to
to
finalize
in
writing
our
adjustment
to
council
member
ravel's
criterion
mechanisms,
so
we
can
send
it
to
the
whole
rules.
Committee
number:
two:
is
it
possible
for
someone
to
just
build
the
referral
form
right
now?
Okay,
so
this
is
that
you're?
You
can
take
that
in
your.
D
Can
we
give
some
language,
though,
for
the
time
sensitive
issue,
so
we're
going
to
scratch
out
city
amanda
sterling?
The
last
question
on
that
kind
of
internal
page
at
the
bottom
and
then
take
out
the
introduction
and
action?
And
then
what
do
we
want?
The
time
sensitive
language
to
be?
Because
if
someone.
A
Okay
and
then
council,
member
revell,
are
you
comfortable
making
edits
to
the
document
you
already
produced
and
then
emailing
it
to
us
for
agreement,
so
we
can,
which
we
can
then
transmit
to
the
whole
rules.
Committee.
C
A
B
C
So
so
there
were
two
or
three
items
on
here
where
I
felt
I
did
need
more
information
to
be
able
to.
You
know,
evaluate
them.
So.
A
A
A
Of
them,
I
will
follow
up
either
with
staff
or
council
members
to
ask
questions
so
that
I
feel
that
I
show
up
a
week
from
right
now
or
a
week
from
an
hour
ago
ready
to
speak
about
all
these.
But
you
know
just
to
be
realistic.
I
think
we'll
have
plenty
to
do
even
if
we're
not
fully
aware
of
every
detail
about
every
one
of
these,
because
there's
a
there's
a
long
list
still
to
be
dealt
with.
D
A
A
Thought
I
was
just
do
it
individually,
but
that
I
hadn't
I
mean
thought
is
maybe
a
generous
way
to
describe
what.
D
I
did
and
what
we'd
kind
of
be
talking,
so,
if
I'm
talking
to
I
don't
know,
council
member
kelly
about
property
tax
increases,
am
I
kind
of
working
with
her
using
the
scoring
mechanism
getting
more
information
or
even
even
using
our
form?
That's
not
quite
live
yet
saying
hey.
Can
you
help
me
kind
of
clarify
this
and
then
I'm
going
to
use
the
scoring
mechanism
to
score
it
and
bring
it
back
here,
ready
to
go.
A
I
would
say
that
you'd
come
back
feeling
ready
to
have
that
conversation
and
not
expecting
to
like
have
the
inability
to
talk
about
the
scoring
right
like
like
the
goal
would
be
to
come
back
next
week,
and
maybe
you
haven't
done
the
scoring
in
advance,
but
you
would
when
we
would
talk
about
it,
you
wouldn't
feel
like.
Oh
man,
I
didn't
think
about
it.
D
A
I'm
just
pausing,
because
I
I'm
trying
to
try
to
engage
in
my
mind
how
unbelievably
irritating
that
would
be
to
them.
I
think
it's
a
if
people
are
willing
to
do
it.
I
think
that's
a
good
idea.
Well,.
D
It's
going
to
be
irritating,
I
mean
I'm
thinking,
then,
if
I
so,
if
I
say
I'm
going
to
take
these,
you
know
number
one
through
eight
or
whatever
it
is,
I'm
having
several
different
phone
calls
still
trying
to
kind
of
fill
out.
This
form
myself
right
because
I
need
to
get
some
of
this
information
is
just
not
clear.
C
C
But
I
would
you
know
if,
if
the
mayor
is
going
to
talk
with
council
member
burns
about
the
hwe
policy,
which
I
don't
know,
what
that
is,
I
would
suggest,
could
he
else?
Could
you
also
talk
to
him
what
he
means
about
reviewing
the
landlord
tenant
process?
Since
you
know,
I
mean
there
are
a
couple
of
his
referrals
that
I'd
like
more
information
about
so.
A
Yeah
I'll
take
it
upon
myself
just
to
talk
with
councilmember
burns.
He
and
I've
had
some
discussions
about
these
things.
So
that'll
be
there's
a
good
foundation.
There.
A
So
yeah,
I
agree,
I
think
I
don't.
I
don't
think
it's
necessary
to
make
everybody
resubmit
everything,
and
I
think
that
if
we,
if
that
turns
out
to
have
been
a
bad
judgment,
we'll
still
have
plenty
to
do
next
week,
and
so,
if
we,
if
we
show
up
next
week
and
we
we
do
some
of
we
address
some
of
these
and
think
oh
man
there's
just
more
missing
information
than
we
had
anticipated.
Then
we
maybe
go
back
with
a
more
narrow
list
and
ask
folks
to
resubmit.
D
A
Or
you
know,
we
know
what-
and
I
should
just
say
this
out
loud.
We
are
a
committee,
so
we
have
an
open
meetings
act,
so
we
shouldn't
email,
the
three
of
us
about
this
stuff.
Now
that
we
exist
as
a
committee,
we
shouldn't
have
private
meetings
about
this
stuff,
so
I
would
say
instead,
council
member
revell,
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
hold
up,
but
not
much.
We
have
a
meeting
next
week.
A
I
would
say
that
councilmember
reveals
edits
should
be
in
the
packet
for
next
week's
meeting
and
will
vote
to
approve
it
and
then
send
it
to
the
rules
committee
at
that
point.
Does
that
work.
C
C
A
A
All
right
so
councilmember
revell
will
send
staff
provision
of
this
that
will
be
incorporated
in
the
packet
for
next
week's
agenda.
A
A
Responsibility
will
actually
be
to
put
that
information
into
this
tracker
by
the
way
that
will
require
a
modification
a
little
bit
of
what
what
the
columns
in
the
tracker,
the
the
tracker
will
also
have
a
score
column
pursuant
to
council
member
bell's
system
and
then
kind
of
a
whatever
you
want
to
call
it
recommended
agenda
date
or
recommended
time
frame
column
as
well,
and
our
next
meeting
will
be
9
a.m
on
thursday
july
22nd.