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A
Let's
do
it
so
it
is
past
nine
o'clock,
so
the
october
7th
meeting
of
the
referrals
committee
shall
come
to
order.
I
think
in
the
interest
of
not
making
this
ridiculously
complex
I'll.
Just
do
the
roll
call
council.
Member
fleming.
A
Revell
here
I'm
here
too
we're
all
here
we
have
a
quorum,
we're
prepared
to
do
our
work.
The
first
next
item
on
our
agenda
is
public
comment.
Does
any
member
of
the
public
seek
to
give
comment
this
morning.
A
Okay,
hearing
none
next
item
of
on
the
agenda's,
approval
of
minutes.
The
minutes
are
still
in
in
production,
so
my
understanding
is.
We
will
be
able
at
our
next
meeting,
to
to
vote
to
approve
minutes,
but
that
that's
still
still
on
the
way.
And
that
brings
us
to
the
actual
item
on
our
agenda,
which
is
items
for
consideration.
A
We
do
have
one
one
new
referral
to
talk
about
a
referral
from
council
member
fleming,
but
I
thought
before
we
did
that,
both
just
in
light
of
the
fact
that
we
haven't
met
for
a
little
bit
that
we've
been
sort
of
at
this
for
a
while,
and
especially
because
we
had
a
discussion
about
this
at
the
rules
committee.
I
thought
it
might
be
useful
to
just
talk
a
little
bit
about
where
we
are
where
we
want
to
go
and
what
needs
to
to
change
to
enable
us
to
get
there.
A
C
Well,
I
guess
I'd
be
interested
in
kind
of
a
summary
or
assessment
of
where,
where
are
where
the
referrals
are,
that
we
have
actually
passed
on
to
the
various
committees?
How
are
we
doing
in
terms
of
getting
of
getting
those
those
referrals
that
we
actually
moved
along?
How
are
we
doing?
How
are
the
committees
doing
in
addressing
those
issues.
A
Yeah
I
mean
so.
Let
me
let
me
give
a
sort
of
short
off
the
cuff
answer,
but
I
think
the
longer
answer
is
that
I
think
we
need
our
the
spreadsheet
and
form
that
we
have,
I
think,
needs
a
bit
of
an
overhaul,
but
the
answer
is
sort
of
not
great.
There
are
some
referrals
that
were
made
and
then
just
I
think,
just
literally
not
acted
upon
one
that
comes
to
mind,
which
is
in
row.
A
A
Wasn't
what
you
mean
or
no
they
just
didn't
at
all.
That's
my
understanding.
My
understanding
is
that
the
the
replacement
solution
was
to
have
in
a
memo
presented
to
council
a
sheet
that
included
some
historical
information
about
property
tax
levies,
but
there
was
not
at
a
committee
discussion
about
this
issue,
so
I
think-
and
if
I'm
mistaken
about
that,
someone
should
jump
in,
but
that
was
that
was
my
understanding
based
on
a
bunch
of
email
traffic
that
that
I
saw.
C
A
B
One
necessarily
so
one
I
I
think
I
have
the
only
referral
to
review
which
which
we
can
do,
but
I
was
gonna
actually
say,
like
maybe
spend
all
of
our
time
on
how
to
actually
get
this
process
moving
a
little
more
than
my
referral,
because
I
can
also
just
kind
of
talk
to
staff
about
that
one
for
now,
but
I
will
give
an
example,
so
I
went
back
to
check
my
email
and
on
august
24th
I
sent
an
email
to
councilmember
braithway
and
then
the
corresponding
staff.
Regarding
the
you
know
things
we
had
moved
out.
B
I
guess
at
the
august
20th
meeting
or
something-
and
you
know
as
best
I
can
tell
I'm
not
on
apw.
I
don't
think
those
things
went
anywhere.
I
did
follow
up
with
sharon
johnson
this
morning
about
one
of
the
things
that's
on
here
from
the
20th,
the
disaggregating
mwe
data
by
race.
B
B
I
think
all
of
them,
maybe
but
one
we've
already
gotten
to
human
services.
But,
as
I
looked
back
on
this
chart
on
the
22nd
I
think
of
july,
and
actually
before
we
actually
had
a
rules
committee,
I
mean
referrals
committee.
I
made
this
referral
to
the
city
manager.
B
It's
a
council
member
nguyen
about
the
condo
deconversion
and
since
that
time
I've
had
a
building
which
I
was
very
concerned
about
that
has
been
purchased
by
you
know,
developer
or
whoever,
and
if
the
vote
was
to
deconvert
it
from
condos,
and
so
now
I
think
per
my
last
count.
B
I
have
eight
people,
eight
families
that
are
going
to
be
displaced,
including
three
singers,
who
had
paid
for
their
who
had
no
mortgages
on
their
condos,
and
I
have
no
idea
where
they're
gonna
go
because
our
threshold
of
a
vote
never
since
pretty
low
and
a
lot
of
people
who
are
in
the
building
were
renters,
and
you
know
the
property
owners
decided
to
sell.
But
that
was
the
kind
of
thing
that
I
you
know.
B
I
had
two
at
the
time
when
I
put
the
referral
in
which
I
think
was
back
in
this
calendar
was
in
july,
one
they
were
able
to
kind
of
the
owners
got
together
and
decided
to.
You
know
not
sell
or
what.
However,
the
model
goes,
but
anyway.
The
long
story
of
this
is
that
I
put
the
referral
in
because
these
things
were
happening
and
I
was
trying
to
kind
of
get
either
in
front
of
them
or
at
least
have
us
look
at
our
policy
and
we
did
not.
B
It
did
not
go
anywhere,
and
so
now
we
have
several
neighbors
who
are
going
to
be
displaced
pretty
soon
and
we
know
there's
nowhere
else
for
them
to
go,
and
so
it's
pretty
frustrating
from
that
standpoint
because
that's
a
real,
tangible
action
we
maybe
could
have
taken,
or
at
least
had
a
discussion
about
before
we
have
people
who
are
going
to
be
looking
for
affordable
housing
that
doesn't
exist
yeah.
A
Yeah
makes
sense,
kelly
had
her
hand
up.
E
Good
morning,
everybody
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
a
couple
of
the
items
off
the
referral
tracker
list
have
come
off
because
they
went
to
rules.
So
I
worked
with
council
member
reed
to
get
those
on
the
last
rules
agenda
and
a
few
more
we'll
be
going
to
the
so.
We
can
update
the
list
and
I
can
work
with
allison
on
that.
A
A
There's
things
that
sort
of
essentially
get
to
bypass
the
referral
process,
because
the
committee
chair
in
this
instance
the
chair
of
rules,
just
kind
of
plucks
them
plucks
them
out,
which
I
think
we
we
sort
of
reached
up
near
consensus
and
rules
on
monday
night
that
that's
something
that
else
that
I
think
we
don't
want
to
happen
and
then
there's
a
there's
another
another
sort
of
situation
that
I
think
we
want
to
at
least
ask
ourselves
whether
we,
whether
it's
problematic,
which
is-
and
this
is
just
I
happen
to
know
it
well
because
it's
my
referral.
A
A
I
showed
up
to
the
committee
meeting
and
was
kind
of
asked
to
present
my
own
thoughts,
but
it
really
wasn't
ready
and
because
it
wasn't
ready
there
weren't
any
concrete
next
steps,
and-
and
so
I
think
we
can
ask
ourselves
and
there's-
I
think,
there's
multiple
different,
reasonable
answers
here,
but
we
might
ask
ourselves
if
we
want
to
also
try
to
track
things.
To
that
extent
to
see
if
you
know,
even
though
they
got
on
an
agenda,
it
didn't
necessarily
facilitate
any
progress
on
the
issue
for,
for
whatever
reason.
D
A
A
You
know,
whenever
you're
ready
put
it
on
an
agenda,
it's
something
that
I'd
like
to
see
happen,
but
it's
not
urgent
and
then
that
was
for
whatever
reason
that
was
email
was
sent
late
in
a
week
and
it
wound
up
on
a
on
an
agenda
early
the
following
week
and
there
just
wasn't
time,
and
so
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
that's,
probably
not
the
hardest
problem
to
solve.
It's
probably
the
easiest
problem
to
solve.
I
just
wanted
to
name
it
as
something
that
has
has
has
occurred.
A
A
A
A
B
A
Okay,
great
well,
so,
first
of
all-
and
you
know
there
was
this
sort
of
back
and
forth
that
happened
on
monday
evening
at
rules-
I
I
think
you
know
we
seem
to
agree
on
monday
evening
that
the
the
sort
of
cleanup
language
just
to
make
the
rule
officially
read
that
we
make
recommendations
about
timing
was
was
a
fine
thing
to
do.
I
think
we
we
sort
of
reached
agreement.
You
know
items
shouldn't
be
placed
on
agendas
without
the
approval
of
the
referrals
committee.
A
Referral
but
just
say
proposed
policy
changes,
don't
make
it
on
committee
agenda
until
they've
been
approved
by
the
referrals
committee,
and
so
that
clearly
applies
to
proposals
made
by
staff
proposals
made
by
elected
officials
and
it
doesn't
apply
to
the
kind
of
administrative
function
of
the
government
or
the
you
know,
kind
of
approval
of
the
executive
function
of
the
government.
A
I
get
it.
There
would
be
some
gray
area
there
that
would
have
to
be
litigated,
but
I
think
at
least
that
language
minimizes
the
likelihood
of
of
dispute,
and
then
I
think
what
we
ought
to
say
is
that
when
the
decision
of
the
rules
committee
that
something's
ready
to
go
is
made,
it
gets
immediately
transmitted
to
the
committee
share.
Who
then
immediately
gives
tells
the
rules
committee
what
agenda
it's
going
to
be
placed
on,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
immediately
need
to
put
a
timeline
in.
A
Could
be,
could
really
be
a
a
a
pretty
important
step
here.
I
do
think
if
we
want
to
if
we
want
to
do
that,
we
do
need
to
actually
start
voting
on
things.
I
think
it
you
know
it
probably
is
is
a
a
mistake
for
an
action
that
has
that
level
of
abidingness
not
to
come
with
a
vote,
and
so
I
would.
A
I
would
ask
that
we
in
that
world
start
voting
on
things,
but
then
I
think
the
other
piece
of
all
this
that's
really
important
is
both
that
we
clean
up
the
the
tracker
itself,
but
also
the
form
that's
utilized,
to
make
referrals
so
that
there's
really
enough
information
in
there
for
for
everyone
to
to
to
move
forward,
and
then
I
think
the
perhaps
the
most
critical
thing
about
all
this
is
that
that
I
think
someone
someone
just
needs
to
be
kind
of
looking
at
the
tracker
working
with
the
people
who
make
the
referrals
to
ensure
there's
enough
information
and
they're
working
with
the
committee
chairs
to
ensure
that
people
that
things
are
moving
forward,
and
this
is
where
again,
I
think
the
fact
that
we
now
have
a
policy
coordinator
in
our
shop
is
a
real
opportunity
here,
and
so
what
I
would
recommend
that
we
do
is
ask
alison
to
buy
our
next
meeting
two
weeks
from
today
have
a
kind
of
an
overhauled
referral,
form
and
spreadsheet
that'll,
be
easier
to
utilize
and
easier
to
track
and
then
and
then
really
assigned
to
her
the
responsibility
of
being
the
go-between
both
between
us
and
the
referrers,
as
the
referrals
come
in
and
then
more
more
critically,
probably
between
between
everybody
on
the
committee
chair
and
committee
staff.
A
After
the
referrals
go
out,
so
that
I
mean
what
I've
found
is
that
I'm
trying
to
track
all
this?
But
the
truth
is
that
I'm
sort
of
in
a
mad
scramble
the
day
before
the
referrals
committee
meets
to
sort
of
remind
myself
of
what
do
we
do
two
weeks
ago
and
how
much
that
got
followed
through
on,
and
I
think
I
think,
if
it's
really
a
specific
person's
job
on
an
ongoing
basis
to
keep
track
of
that.
We're
we're
gonna,
have
a
lot
less
risk
of
things
just
completely
falling
through
the
cracks.
A
So
those
are
my
thoughts
about
what
I
think
we
ought
to
do
and
I
I
would
be
happy
to
draft
you
know
well
in
advance,
in
advance
of
the
next
rules
committee
meeting,
a
draft
of
what
that
rule
would
look
like,
but
for
which
I
think
the
thing
that
was
in
the
packet
on
monday
evening
is
a
good
is
a
good
starting
point,
and
I
could
do
that
quickly
to
share
with
you
guys,
and
you
know,
allison
as
long
as
you're
as
long
as
you're
able
to
put
together
a
revised
referral,
form
and
spreadsheet
by
two
weeks
from
today,
then
then
I
would
just
say
I'm
curious
as
to
what
council,
members,
revell
and
fleming
think
about
this.
A
D
D
If
it's
an
item
for
discussion,
if
it's
a
policy
change,
if
it's
a
resolution,
if
it's
an
ordinance,
if
there's
a
budget
aspect
to
it,
really
be
able
to
gauge
through
that
form,
how
fleshed
out
that
idea
really
is,
and
if
it's
not
very
fleshed
out,
then
you
know
I
can
go
back
to
the
person
who's,
referring
the
idea
and
make
sure
that
we
get
a
little
bit
more
information
before
it
gets
in
front
of
you
all
so
that,
if
you
are
voting,
then
you
you
have
all
the
information
you
need
in
order
to
actually
vote
up
or
down
on
something.
B
You
know
for
introduction
in
action
at
the
meeting
or
you
know
if
they
write
policy
change,
they
still
need
to
understand
it's
going
to
come
first
for
discussion
or
introduction,
you
know:
does
it
just
go
on
as
policy
change
so
that
those
just
might
be
good,
like
robert's
rules
or
whatever
for
us
to
remind
folks
of.
E
Yeah
and
I
think
allison's
right
on
the
money
in
my
perfect
world
there'd
be
some
field
forms
that
would
have
to
be
filled
in
so
that
staff
could
be
very
clear
about
what
the
referral
is
in
total,
maybe
even
some
other
detailed
information
like
discussed
at
a
board
meeting
or
discussed
with
certain
stakeholders
whatever.
That
is
that
we,
we
all
know
the
information
behind
the
referral
as
well.
B
I
have
another
another
thought
because
right
now,
we've
been
trying
to
do
that
allison
and
it's
not
always
gone
so
well.
But
one
thing
I
think,
kelly
for
your
office
is-
and
you
know
nelson
obviously
can
figure
this
out.
But
even
once
it's
like
flushed
out
is
how
do
we
then,
like
make
sure
it's
on
an
agenda
which
I
mean
I
guess
is
I
don't
need
an
answer
to
that.
B
E
I
think
this
is
where
the
maybe
the
rule
kind
of
comes
in
as
well.
Mayor
bis
was
talking
about
looking
at
the
rule
and
revising,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
for
this
committee
to
have
a
vote
up
or
a
vote
down
and
vote
down,
meaning
not
down
like
it's
never
happening,
but
hey.
We
need
more
information
or
there's
some
information
missing.
E
That
needs
to
be
flushed
out
before
we
can.
You
know,
I
know
you
guys
all
have
the
green
light
orange
light
system,
but
I
think
in
just
discussing
the
agenda
with
council
member
reid.
That
became
a
little
confusing
too
because
he
plucked
some
items
off
the
referral
tracker
that
were
marked
like
orange
and
I
was
like
well.
E
Did
the
referrals
committee
give
that
a
green
light
he's
like
well,
I'm
just
gonna,
take
it
and
put
it
on
so
even
I
was
confused
and
it
ended
up
going
on
the
agenda
anyway,
but
I
guess
this
is.
These
are
the
things
that,
like
we
just
had
real
solid
like
yes,
this
is
approved
by
the
referrals
committee
to
move
on
to
the
next
standing
committee.
E
E
A
Thing
is
done
on
the
fly
by
me
and
was
not
a
great
idea,
and
we
should
just
should
just
be
honest
about
the
fact
that
sometimes,
when
I
do
things
on
the
fly,
they're
unwise-
and
I
I
do
think
it-
you
know
what
what
does
a
yellow
light
really
communicate
in
that
situation.
It's
just
a
weird
thing
and
I
I
think
it
was
just
something
that
I'm
happy
to
say:
oops,
let's,
let's,
let's
do
it.
B
B
We
have
another
thought,
so
I
am
happy
to
report,
though,
based
on
looking
at
the
referral
tracker.
I
think
there
are
some
things
that
have
moved
off
of
here
that
we've,
maybe
just
not
updated,
and
maybe
everyone
was
aware
of
that,
but-
and
this
is
part
of
maybe
my
communication
right
because
as
chair
of
human
services,
I'm
probably
much
more
like
council
member
reid,
I'm
like
okay,
we're
gonna,
take
these
things
off
the
referral
tracker,
and
then
I
realize
I'm
probably
not
doing
my
part
to
communicate
with
the
mayor
like
that.
B
We
have
discussed
these
things
already.
So
you
know
I'm
pretty
sure
that,
like
the
crime
bulletin,
which
is
line,
nine
on
here
will
be
on
the
november
human
services
committee
meeting
and
I've
already
talked
to
the
police
about
that.
So,
but
on
our
little
page
here
it's
listed
as
not
scheduled.
So
you
know
my
bad
for
that.
One,
the
local
hiring
requirement
I've
also
sent
over
to
mwebe,
because
that
was
my
you
know
liaison
thing
I
can
check
with
sharon.
B
I
think
that
that
one
is
like
in
process
down
there
at
this.
The
property
standards
complaint,
which
is
line
number
20
we
have
definitely
like
bobby,
has
definitely
talked
about
it.
I
don't
know
if
it's
actually
been
scheduled
or
it's
come
back
as
part
of
like
other
conversations.
So
maybe
else,
and
that's
one
for
you
to
like
follow
up
on
specifically,
but
I
know
we've,
you
know
done
some
conversation
about
it.
Obviously,
my
my
number
twenty
year.
B
B
There
was
a
couple
more
though
that
I
know
did
happen
because
they're
again
in
human
services,
the
anti-displacement,
which
is
line
number
33,
we've
already.
We
had
that
last
week
for
this
week
I
guess
and
so
bobby's
going
to
start
his
or
he
wants
to
start
a
subcommittee
so
that
one's
in
process
the
same
thing
for
the
eviction
notice
and
process
that
human
service
has
already
been
talked
about.
B
As
I
reported
36
sharon
says
she's
already
working
on
an
mweve
victim
services
fund
has
not
come
to
human
services,
but
was
kind
of
in
my
mind
for
november.
If
we
have
time
because
there's
a
lot
of
police
stuff,
that's
coming
back
and
that's
it.
So
there
are
quite
a
few
things
that
I
was
feeling
pretty
down
about
before
I
looked
at
the
agenda
and
then
realized
that
some
things
are
actually
moving
along.
A
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
that's
both,
of
course,
true
and
really
really
positive
and
also
it
also
articulates
some
of
what
we
need
to
work
on.
But
it's
it's
a
much
better
kind
of
problem
to
have
right
like
if
we're
not
totally
updating
the
tracker
properly.
Like
that's
a
that's
a
solvable
problem,
if
we're
not
communicating
back
to
this
committee
about
what
progress
is
occurring,
that's
a
solvable
problem.
So
yeah.
I
mean
point
very
well
taken.
C
So
going
forward
so,
for
example,
yesterday
I
had
a
conversation
with
johanna
niden
about
some
of
the
items
that
have
gone,
that
are
that
we
have
sent
on
to
p
d
and
she
and
I
communicated
about
them
a
few
weeks
ago
and
then
I
followed
up.
You
know
to
get
a
little
update,
and
so
we
have
a
game
plan.
But
anyway,
so
in
this
new
model
going
forward,
I
would
report
to
allison
whatever
I
might
have
and
she
would
update
the
tracker.
Then.
B
A
Great
well,
I
am
let
me
put
on
my
homework
list,
putting
together
a
draft
rule
quickly,
because
if,
if,
if
the
rules
committee
is
going
to
meet
a
week
from
monday,
then
it
would
want
to
be
we'd
want
to
have
something
for
the
packet
you
know,
basically
by
month
by
this
coming
monday.
A
So
let
me
do
that
within
24
hours
and
allison
will
get
started
on
the
forum
and
spreadsheets.
So
you'll
probably
want
to
talk
to
luke
about
the
there's.
There's
some
technology
questions
as
well
as
some
substantive
questions
there.
A
A
Fact
of
whatever
it
is
a
temporal
temporal
biological
fact,
allison
will
be
on
parental
leave
relatively
soon.
So
I
think
one
you
know.
One
goal
that
we
should
set
is
to
kind
of
get
to
a
place.
B
B
Like
now,
you
know
if
we
didn't
have
all
the
other
stuff
to
discuss,
we
would
have
one
referral
today.
So
if
we
go
to
once
a
month
that
just
gives
you
a
little
bit
of
a
better
idea
like
their
things,
aren't
cranking
through
fast
fast
and
then
people
maybe
aren't
as
frustrated
either
yeah.
I
think.
A
I
totally
agree
I
mean
I,
I
think
I
think
we
you
know.
Our
initial
concern
was
that
we
didn't
want
to
be
seen
as
a
gatekeeper,
roadblock
entity
and
only
meeting
every
other.
We
only
meeting
every
month
might
just
slow
everything
down
a
way
that
would
irritate
our
colleagues,
but
of
course
the
thing
that's
irritating.
A
C
Right,
well,
I
hope
everyone
is
having
a
perhaps
a
more
realistic
picture
of
just
how
much
business
can
we
we,
as
a
council,
accomplish
in
any
given
meeting
so
part
of
the
problem.
Was
you
know
we
had
this
deluge
of
issues
that
everybody
wanted
us
to
talk
about
right
away
and
that's
you
know
just
not,
since
we
don't
work
24
hours
a
day
that
just
wasn't
possible.
B
Johanna
about
it,
because
it
might
just
be
something
that,
because
I
hear
from
several
seniors-
maybe
it's
just
my
ward
and
a
few
people
and
not
necessarily
a
city-wide
issue
so
and
I
have
been
trying
to
encourage
some
of
our
newer
colleagues
to
kind
of
talk
to
staff
first
before
we
make
a
referral
that,
maybe
isn't
you
know
something
that
can
be
kind
of
solved
offline,
so
I'll
so
we'll
hold
on
that
one
we'll
leave
it
in
the
spreadsheet.
That's
okay
and
I'll
talk
to
john,
and
she
can.
A
D
A
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
kelly
can
you
know
be
helpful
with
that
with
her.
You
know
new
role
in
communications
with
council
members
directly,
so
I
and
I-
and
I
shared
this-
you
know
a
lot
earlier.
My
first
term
information
flow
was
very
selective,
and
so,
if
we
can
get
past,
if
we
can
get
past
that,
then
I
think
people,
you
know,
have
more
faith
and
like
being
able
to
get
their
questions
answered
versus
feeling
like.
I
have
to
make
referral
in
order
to
get
information
right.
E
Yeah
absolutely-
and
I
know
just
for
the
record-
I'm
happy
to
put
everything
on
any
agenda
and
see
it
through,
but
that
you
know
I
think
what
we've
seen
is.
We
don't
get
to
all
of
it
anyway
in
the
committees
and
it
gets
left
over
and
then
there's
information
that
needs
to
be.
You
know
looked
at,
and
so
I
I
think,
like.
I
really
appreciate
you
all
talking
through
this
process
today,
because
I
think
this
sounds
like
this
will
be
way
more
efficient.
A
C
Are
we
going
to
meet
then
next
a
month?
Are
we
going
to
monthly
meetings.
A
B
C
D
E
A
And
I'm
obviously
not
dogmatic
about
this,
the
the
the
intent.
I
thought,
as
we
left
this
past
monday,
was
to
come
back
on
the
18th
and
basically
ratify
what
we
had
discussed
the
claim
at
the
time
being
that
it
wouldn't
take
a
lot
of
conversation,
which
is
always
an
ambitious
claim
to
make
with
the
city
council
these
days.
A
So
my
proposal
is
to
to
present
to
to
y'all
and
and
council
member
reed
and
and
and
dar
and
kelly,
very
quickly
of
you
know,
execution
of
what
we've
been
talking
about.
That
could
be
voted
on
on
the
18th
and
if
it
gets
bumped
up
the
agenda
of
the
agenda.
A
All
right
we'll
see
nothing
further
to
come
before
the
referrals
committee.
We
stand
adjourned.
Our
next
meeting
is
october
21st
at
9am
thanks
everybody.