►
From YouTube: Reimagining Public Safety Committee Meeting - 08-03-2021
Description
No description was provided for this meeting.
If this is YOUR meeting, an easy way to fix this is to add a description to your video, wherever mtngs.io found it (probably YouTube).
A
So
we
can
get
started,
hey
everybody
thanks
for
joining
the
the
sorry.
I've
lost
my
agenda
already
there.
It
is
the
august
3rd
meeting
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
committee
meeting
will
come
to
order,
as
I
said
to
those
of
you
who
are
on
a
few
minutes
ago,
I'm
coming
to
you
from
my
first
cousin's
childhood
bedroom
in
in
maine.
A
So
if
I
look
like
an
unshaven
guy
with
a
map
of
the
us
behind
him,
that
explains
it
and
the
first
item
on
our
agenda
as
per
usual,
will
be
public
comment.
So
does
any
member
of
the
public
seek
to
give
a
public
comment?
If
so,
either
raise
your
hand
using
the
zoom
tool
or
just
unmute
yourself
and
start
talking.
B
B
A
We've
been
operating
with
a
tremendous
amount
of
legal
responsibility
in
a
non-constrained
legal
department
and
we're
all
incredibly
excited
to
see
michelle
with
her
really
really
sterling
background
and
qualifications
join
our
our
legal
department,
I
believe,
as
the
deputy
corporation
council,
so
welcome
aboard
and
again,
if
you're,
in
a
place
where
you're
comfortable,
immuting
yourself
and
introducing
yourself
to
the
group.
That
would
be
great,
if
not
I'm
sure,
there'll
be
lots
of
other
opportunities.
A
All
right,
well
technology's
doing
what
technology
does,
but
I
do
want
to
say
you
know
it's
really
really
exciting
to
have.
Somebody
of
michelle
michelle's,
like
I
said
background
and
qualifications,
join
our
legal
team,
which
has
been
doing
very
doing
an
awful
lot
with
without
enough
personal
power,
so
so
welcome
aboard
and
we're
all
we're
all
excited
to
work
with
you.
D
Oh,
can
you
guys
hear
me
now,
jericho
thanks
so
much
so
I'm
thanks
mira,
biz
and
thanks,
I'm
I'm
michelle
ozaribo
and
I'll,
be
deputy
city
attorney
and
looking
forward
to
working
with
all
of
you.
So
thanks
so
much
I'm
actually
in
the
office
right
now.
That's
why
you
can't
see
me,
but
because
there's
no
camera
on
my
office
computer,
but
yeah
thanks
so
much
for
having
me.
A
E
With
all
the
pressure
I
couldn't
find
the
virtual
hand,
but
thank
you
mayor
best.
I
wanted
to
touch
base
with
you
all,
because
I
think
we're
not
doing
what
we
promised
to
do.
The
mayor,
the
new
city
council,
this
committee
and
me
and
lots
of
our
community
have
all
expressed
a
commitment
to
reimagining
public
safety.
E
I'm
sorry
for
my
dogs,
you
know
what
why
don't
I
pause
and
let
my
dog
start
stop
barking,
so
we're
failing
to
live
up
to
our
commitment.
When
people
ask
me
how
we
can
defund
the
police
and
what,
if
we
defund
the
police,
what
do
we
do
about
sexual
violence?
What
do
we
do
about
rape?
Are
we
just
going
to
ignore
it?
I
tell
them.
No,
you
know
police,
don't
prevent
sexual
violence
and
they
don't
address
the
harm
that
it
causes.
E
If
we're
going
to
reimagine
public
safety,
we
need
to
be
building
different
ways
to
achieve
those
goals.
We
need
to
be
working
as
a
community
to
examine
and
eliminate
the
misogyny
and
the
patriarchy
that
make
rape,
culture
and
sexual
violence
expected
and
accepted
when
it
occurs.
We
need
to
immediately
identify
the
harm.
E
E
E
E
A
I
think
it's
a
really
really
important
point.
So
it's
something
I
take
seriously.
I
think
we
all
you
know.
I
didn't
want
to
go
past,
that
without
acknowledging
that
there
was
a
series
of
really
really
important
critiques
and
observations,
and
I
think
places
for
us
from
which
we
all
need
to
learn
and
plan
moving
forward.
A
The
first
is,
I
wanted
to
just
kind
of
make
folks
in
this
committee
aware
of
a
likely
item
that
will
be
on
our
agenda,
probably
in
one
of
the
next
two
meetings,
which
once
it's
once
it's
scheduled
I'll.
Let
folks
know
well
in
advance,
because
I
think
it
could
be
a
really
interesting
present
presentation.
The
the
aclu
has
been
partnering
with
municipal
governments.
A
A
A
Yeah
I
mean
I
should
say
in
I
mean:
could
he
invent
it
as
like
my
heroes?
So
it's
it's
done
in
discussion
with
a
sleuth
of
illinois
as
well,
but
but
there's
no
other
community
in
the
state
of
illinois
that
they've
done
this
work
with.
So
it's
really
done
with
aclu,
with
lessons
learned
from
places.
They've
worked
in
other
states
and
I
think
likely
the
presenters
would
be
someone
from
the
national
office
together
with
kadeem.
It
would
be
my
expectation,
though
I
can't
you
know,
that's
all,
pending
their
schedules
and
so
forth.
A
Who
could
help
be
leaders
of
community
discussions
on
on
these
issues?
And
so
I
I
don't
know
if,
if
patrick
wanted,
to
kind
of
follow
up
on
that
and
kind
of
report
back
to
the
group
at
all.
But
but
I
I
wanted
to
at
least
name
that
as
something
that
I
think
we
as
a
group
are
going
to
want
to
follow
up
on.
And
it
looks
like
patrick
unmuted
himself.
G
I'll
just
quickly
add
that
I
met
with
pam
today
at
one
o'clock
and
I've.
I've
been
away
on
vacation
for
two
weeks
and
I
strongly
encourage
everyone
to
go
on
vacation
for
two
weeks
because
it
was
really
nice.
But
I
I
finally
met
with
pam
today
at
one
o'clock
to
debrief
mayor
best,
your
conversation
with
her
and
she
shared
that
it
was
also.
H
G
Great
conversation-
and
I
think
my
main
takeaway
from
debriefing
with
pam
daniel-
is
that
we're
gonna
take
the
next
week
to
maybe
even
come
up
with
a
proposal
for
this
committee
to
to
look
at
and
entertain
and
dissect
and
say
you
know.
This
is
great.
This
is
horrible,
you
know
so,
as
you
have
something,
maybe
that
you
could
react.
D
G
Because
I
think
it's
easier
for
folks
to
have
something
to
react
to
that
kind
of
outlines
where
we
think
we
have
community
leaders
who
are
primed
ready
to
facilitate
restorative
conversations
and-
and
I
think,
to
betsy
wilson's
point
at
the
top
of
the
meeting-
could
facilitate
restorative
healing
conversations
on
many
fronts
that
intersect
with
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
reimagining
public
safety.
So
I
I
don't
have
anything
today,
but
my
hope
is.
G
A
G
A
I
to
make
sure
the
group
is
is,
is
really
thinking
together
about
about
how
to
do
this,
so
that
that's
phenomenal
and
we'll
just
make
sure
that
that's
an
agenda
item
and
will
reserve
time
for
it
for
two
weeks
from
today.
Thank
you.
The
second
related
item
is
that
council,
member
fleming
and
evangeline-
and
I
had
a
a
really
again
very
encouraging
discussion
with
marisa
arona
from
the
alliance
for
safety
and
justice,
whose
interest
is
offered
asj
to
do
what
what's
been
referred
to
as
the
train.
A
So
before
I
open
it
up
for
a
discussion
about
whether
folks
want
us
to
move
forward
with
scheduling
that
I
wanted
to
give
evangeline
a
chance
to
speak
to
how
that
conversation
went
and
kind
of
what
your
your
recommendations
would
be.
Based
on
on
your
knowledge
of
of
the
both
the
organization
and
the
the
work
that
they
do.
H
H
I
wish
I
could
say
that
it
was
just
a
very
limited
experience
in
terms
of
survivors
feeling
harmed
by
the
city,
but
that's
not
just
limited
to
sexual
violence
survivors,
unfortunately,
and
so
we
have
a
bigger
conversation
that
we
need
to
discuss
in
terms
of
when
survivors
are
harmed
in
the
community.
How
does
the
city
lead
us
towards
a
healing
agenda
right?
H
How
do
we
make
sure
survivors
are
in
the
center
of
the
conversations
to
provide
feedback
and
to
provide
expertise
right
in
the
in
the
realms
that
we
know
too
intimately?
So
it
will
be
a
great
experience.
I
feel,
to
have
asj
as
a
partner
in
this.
They
do
this
there's
no
fee
right.
This
is
just
the
service
that
they
do
provide
to
communities
who
are
looking
to
have
these
conversations
and
to
move
survivors
to
the
center
of
the
work
for
imagining
public
safety.
A
A
A
Okay,
beautiful,
so
I
feel
I
feel
really
great
about
this.
You
know
I've.
It's
been
gnawing
at
me.
That's
that's
the
honest
thing.
It's
been
gnawing
at
me
that
you
know
I
think
we've
had
really
important
conversations.
I
think
we've
begun
to
make
some
progress.
I
think
the
working
groups
are
beginning
to
make
some
progress,
but
this
is
not
a
17
person
operation.
A
This
group,
as
well
as
the
members
of
the
public
who
have
been
generous
enough
with
their
time
to
to
join
these
meetings.
So
so
thanks
thanks
debra
for
for
being
enthusiastic
about
that,
and
thank
you
to
council,
member
fleming
and
evangeline
for
making
the
connection
with
asj.
Thank
you
to
patrick
and
the
moran
center.
I
think
this
is
a
you
know,
an
absolutely
essential
part
of
our
work.
A
A
That
was
on
the
agenda
because
we,
I
candidly,
I
think,
especially
with
notification,
coming
up
bit
off
a
little
bit
more
than
I
could
chew
in
terms
of
organizing
folks
to
to
put
together
a
draft
or
a
value
statement,
and
so
there
there
is
a
google
doc
that
has
a
few
notes
in
it
that
a
few
folks
have
had
a
chance
to
work
on.
But
it's
just
not
it's
not.
A
I
didn't
have
the
the
bandwidth
to
get
it
to
where
I
I
want
it
to
be,
so
we
could
actually
have
a
working
discussion
about
it.
So
if,
if
someone,
if
someone
wants
to
volunteer
now
in
the
moment,
to
kind
of
lead
that
process
over
the
course
of
the
next
two
weeks
and
again,
what
I
mean
by
that
process
is
putting
together
a
draft.
I
don't
mean
a
final
draft.
I
don't
mean
something
that
everybody
agrees
to.
A
I
mean
a
draft
to
which
people
can
react
and
that
can
be
used
as
a
as
a
as
a
basis
for
further
collective
work.
If
someone
wants
to
volunteer
that
right
now,
you're
welcome
to-
and
I
will
like
pause
for
an
awkward
second
in
a
minute.
But
I
also
acknowledge
that
that
may
not
be
something
anyone
wants
to
jump
in
and
and
volunteer
to,
because
it
can
be
a
difficult
and
stressful
project.
And
so,
if
no
one
jumps
in
we'll
we'll
communicate
via
email
to
figure
out
a
way
a
way
forward
on
this.
A
But,
but
for
now
is
there
somebody
who
wants
to
jump
in
and
basically
volunteer
to
take
point
during
the
course
of
the
next
two
weeks
to
to
make
sure
that
we
have
some
kind
of
let's
say
roughly
page
long
document
built
off
of
the
notes
that
already
exist?
That
could
then
be
enough
of
a
kind
of
clear
narrative
for
this
group
to
react
to
in
two.
A
Weeks
that
is
totally
fine.
If
I
were
in
your
shoes,
I
wouldn't
have
spoken
up
either
so
I'll,
we'll
we'll
we'll
do
a
little
bit
via
the
email
to
kind
of
get
this
project
moving.
But
again,
it's
really
on
me
that
we're
not
further
ahead
of
where
we
we're
not
we're
not
we're
that
we're
where
we
are
rather
than
where
we
hope
to
be
at
this
point.
So
my
my
apologies
for
that
the
next
item.
A
I
want
to
thank
our
interim
chief
of
police
aretha
barnes,
who,
as
you
may
imagine,
given
her
title,
has
an
enormous
set
of
pressures
on
her
time.
She
has
joined
us
today
to
speak
to
this
issue.
There
was
a
an
item
on
the
administration
public
works
agenda
last
monday
before
the
city
council
meeting
regarding
some
funding
for
essential,
essentially
partnership
between
epd
and
the
cta,
and
some
folks
on
on
that
committee.
Who
said
hey:
listen,
we
have
a
reimagining
public
safety
committee.
A
Let's,
let's
give
them
an
opportunity
to
to
hear
about
this
before
we
move
forward,
which
was
a
very
generous,
generous
step
taken
by
them.
So
so
that
is
therefore
been
kicked
to
us,
which
I
think
is
is
really
great
and
chief
barnes
has
agreed
to
kind
of
be
a
part
of
this
meeting
to
essentially
explain
what
the
deal
is.
What
is
the
nature
of
the
partnership
between
the
city,
the
police,
department
and
cta?
What
is
the
budgetary
impact
and
the
the
safety
impact
and
what
you
know?
A
C
A
I
And
I'm
going
to
call
on
patrick
to
explain
a
bit
more
about
what
his
specific
questions
were
to
his
law
clerk
at
the
moran
center,
because
there
they've
been
kind
enough
to
to
do
some
research
for
us
and
they
were
they
presentation
for
us
at
the
last
worker
group,
meeting
they're,
putting
together
a
memo,
a
final
memo
and
then
we'll
have
we'll
have
them
back
at
the
next
committee
meeting
to
continue
the
discussion.
So
patrick.
If
you
don't
mind
giving
a
little
summary
on
on
on
that
work.
G
Sure
so
I
have
to
give
all
credit
to
bobby
because
he
asked
the
question
really
bobby.
I
think
right
at
the
outset
of
the
working
group
meeting
of
our
first
working
group
meeting
and
the
question
basically
is
what
is
a
police
officer,
and
I
remember
bobby,
I
have
to
admit
when
you
first
asked
the
question.
I
thought
what
a
dumb
question
and
then
you
peel
back
the
onion.
G
So
what
I
can
quickly
say
without
reading
to
you
a
six-page
memorandum
is
that
it
is
really
unclear
what
a
police
officer
is
and
that,
unsurprisingly,
in
the
illinois
compiled
statutes,
which
many
of
you
know
is
voluminous,
the
word
peace
officer
is
used
repeatedly.
The
phrase
law
enforcement
officer
is
used
repeatedly.
G
The
phrase
police
officer
is
used
repeatedly.
Sometimes
these
phrases
are
defined.
Sometimes
they
are
not
defined
and
often
they
are
defined
in
opposition
to
each
other
and
un.
Unsurprisingly,
many
of
you
these
terms,
these
phrases
are
used
in
innocuous
sections
of
the
illinois
compiled
statutes.
So
you
know,
we've
had
to
do
a
lot
of
digging
to
find
all
the
ways
that
the
state
of
illinois
has
defined
these
these.
G
But
I
promised
council
member
burns
that
I
would
get
him
a
final
draft
by
the
end
of
the
week
and
now
that
we
have
michelle
on
board
whether
she
realizes
or
not,
I'm
going
to
send
it
to
her
too
to
see
if,
if
she
agrees
with
some
of
the
conclusions
that
we
made
and
if
she
also
has
additional
questions
based
on
anything
we've
presented
as
well.
So
that's
the
brief
update.
A
A
Thank
you-
and
that
is
my
fault-
that
I
did
not
model
that
properly
this
week
or
two
weeks
ago
or
two
weeks
before
that,
but
I'm
going
to
get
there
and
say.
Thank
you.
This
is
the
group,
that's
rethinking
the
organizational
structure
of
the
of
the
police
department
and
then
my
second
question,
which
maybe
maybe
there
may
be
less
less
certain
that
you
know
the
answer.
You
talked
about
these
three
different
phrases:
peace
officer,
police
officer
and
public
safety
officer
that
are
all
used
multiple
times
in
state
statute.
G
Well,
that
is
one
of
the
questions
that
I
actually
post
to
my
law
clerk,
because
it
it
is
unclear-
and
I
actually
failed
to
use
another
term
which
we
do
not
use
in
the
city
of
evanston,
but
is
also
incredibly
confusing
within
state
statute.
Sometimes
they
use
the
word
sheriff,
and
you
know
when
I
think
of
sheriff
right.
I
think
of
the
cook
county
sheriff
right
and
the
sheriff
police
department,
and
but
sometimes
they,
the
statutes
refer
to
sheriffs
within
local
municipalities.
G
So
I
failed
to
say
that
there's
actually
four
very,
very
commonly
used
words
and
or
terms
or
phrases
to
refer
to
a
police
officer
in
our
state.
So
the
quick
answer
to
your
question
daniel
is,
I
don't
know
and
and
we're
we're
going
to
have
to
do
some
bigger,
deep,
greater
deeping
god.
I
can't
greater
digging
into
that
question
there
we
go
and
I
actually
really
do
hope
that
the
city
law
department
will
help
us
clarify
if
we're
unable
to
dissect
that
they'll
help
us
answer
that
question
too
great.
I
I
Is
there
room
enough
to
create
new
positions
around
those
roles,
or
is
there
room
to
create
new
roles,
and
if
we
create
a
new
role,
would
they
have
the
authority
to
arrest?
Would
they
have
the
ability
to
bring
workmen's
comp
complaints,
and
so
this
is
what
we're
trying
to
figure
out
really
trying
to
determine
what
our
limitations
are
based
on
state
statute,
because
we're
talking
about
reimagi
reimagining,
we
want
to
see
what
the
limitations
and
restrictions
are.
So
this
is
the
place,
we're
starting
and
then
we're
also
looking
at
we're.
I
Also
looking
at
drug
enforcement
in
the
city
of
evanston,
so
councilman
marie
made
a
referral
for
the
decriminalization
of
all
drugs
in
evanston,
and
he
has
since
had
had
conversations
with
peer
services
and
task
and
aclu,
and
many
other
advocacy
organizations
that
work
around
these
issues
to
figure
out
in
their
terms
how
to
how
to
move
away
from
car
sore
approaches
to
drug
possession
and
move
more
further
towards
treatment,
and
what
we
found
out.
Maureen
from
peer
services
was
kind
enough
to
to
present
at
our
last
working
group
meeting.
I
I
think
what
we
figured
out
is
that
and
I'll
just
read
off
of
one
of
the
findings.
If
we
expect
that
a
new
policy
will
have
a
consequence
of
moving
more
people
to
treatment,
it
is
important
to
build
up
the
infrastructure
and
funding
for
treatment
providers
to
handle
an
influx
of
patients.
There
are
concerns
that
the
immediate
nature
of
oregon's
decriminalization
by
referendum
did
not
leave
enough
time
for
the
scaling
of
this
treatment
infrastructure,
and
there
are
concerns
that
treatment
providers
could
become
overwhelmed.
So
I
I
think
what
we.
I
What
we're
learning
is
that
if
we
are
to
direct
drug
related
issues,
especially
on
the
user,
in
away
from
our
car
industrial
system
and
into
our
health
system,
we
have
to
have
the
infrastructure
built
up
to
receive
them
same
day.
Right,
not
okay.
You
can
come
back
in
and
we'll
schedule
something
in
a
week
or
we'll
schedule
something
in
the
month,
but
if
we
are
going
to
redirect
where
those,
if.
I
Clerk
of
the
moran
center
is
working
on
the
memo
which
patrick
described
and
then
also
maureen
is
working
on
a
memo
to
help
us
think
about
what
it
would
look
like
to
expand
our
same
day,
treatment
availabilities
here
in
the
city
and
once
we
have
those
memos
I'll,
send
that
out
to
our
working
group,
we'll
review
it
we'll
have
them
back
on
to
present
again,
I'm
sure
we'll
have
questions
and
and
then
we'll
move
from
there.
So
that's
that's
where
we're
at.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
so
much.
I
think
I'm
gonna
go
next,
just
because
it
dovetails
well
with
some
of
the
legal
questions
you
were
enumerating.
So
the
the
group
that
I'm
reporting
out
from
is
the
group
that's
going
through
data
around
patrol
and
traffic
and
thinking
about
alternative
mechanisms
of
traffic
and
pedestrian
enforcement.
A
A
School
he's
done
a
lot
of
research
and
writing
about
alternative
forms
of
traffic
enforcement
and
was
really
there
to
kind
of
answer
questions
that
arise
when
you
conceptualize
very
different
ways
of
doing
traffic
enforcement.
You
know.
So
how
do
you
address
questions
of
safety
of
officers
that
arise?
What
are
the?
How
do
you
enumerate
the
kinds
of
issues
that
are
perhaps
most
naturally
addressed
by
traditional
sworn
officers,
rather
than
some
kind
of
civilian
enforcement?
A
A
A
J
Hi
everybody
so
we're
the
violence,
prevention
working
group
and
we
had
a
fair
we're,
still
kind
of
reporting
back
to
each
other.
From
some
of
the
various
to
do's.
We
had
a
pretty
good
conversation
about
a
couple
of
key
issues
and
we
shared
some
resources
which
the
committee's
currently
looking
at
in
reading
and
some
of
the
resources
included
background
on
what
what
the
best
practices
within
offices
of
public
safety
also
some
best
practices
and
research
on
kind
of
data.
J
What
works
in
non-police,
violence,
prevention
initiatives,
just
as
a
reminder,
this
group
has
decided
to
focus
squarely
on
on
the
ground:
violence
prevention,
while
continuing
to
recognize
the
important
systemic
causes,
but
really
looking
at
sort
of
some
of
the
here
and
now
responses
to
violence
prevention
and
also
continues
to
try
to
center
a
victim-centered
approach.
So
lots
of
our
conversations
were
on
and
continue
to
be
thinking
about
what
are
the
assets
and
opportunities.
J
J
I
think
a
couple
of
things
that
we've
noticed
as
issues
we're
going
to
dig
into
center
on
coordination
of
these
efforts
and
how
that
gets
done.
You
know
our
ultimate
goal
is
to
come
up
with
at
least
some
recommendations
for
this
this
committee
to
think
about,
but
the
reason
we
were
looking
at
offices
of
public
safety
was
one
of
the
roles
they
are
doing
in
other
cities.
Are
coordination
of
these
things
making
sure
that
not
only
is
outreach
happening,
but
that
there's
directions
towards
appropriate
services
and
departments
and
entities
that
that
exist,
including
potentially
non-profits?
J
So
there's
this
coordination
issue
which
folks
are
starting
to
weigh
on
there's?
Also
this
important
differentiation
issue
conversations
around
what
a
27
year
old
and
what
a
12
year
old
need
are
quite
different,
and
we
should
recognize
that
the
resources
available
are
quite
different,
and
so
you
know
cutting
and
pasting
things
become
difficult
and
we
wouldn't
recommend
that.
J
But
seeing
that,
as
a
point
of
really
clarity,
I
do
want
to
come
back
to
one
thing
that
the
group
I
thought
was
feeling
strongly
about
is,
of
course
you
know
the
shifting
ground
or
or
the
evolving
in
different
ways
efforts
in
evanston
around
outreach.
There
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
you
know.
Are
we
currently
meeting
people
where
they
are?
You
know?
J
You
know
what
and
how
it
means
to
sort
of
connect,
people
that
have
been
locked
out
or
shut
out
or
disenfranchised
serving
these
spaces.
So
I
I
just
want
to
make
sure
for
those
that
for
the
committee,
if
I,
if
I
did
a
fairly
accurate
summary
of
that
before
I
missed
any
key
points,
plea
please
chime
in,
but
that's
kind
of
where
we
left
it
with
the
idea
of
coming
back
and
really
drilling
down
on
some
of
these
kind
of
three
things:
around
coordination.
A
K
K
K
F
K
Yes,
this
has,
I
don't
know
when
we
started
this
agreement
with
the
cta.
I've
been
with
the
city
for
18
years
and
it's
always
been
a
detail
for
police
officers
since
I've
been
here.
So
I
imagine
it
goes
back
much
longer
than
that,
but
I
I'll
have
to
find
out
the
exact
date
of
when
we
actually
started
this.
But
it
has
been
going
on
for
quite
some
time,
and
I
should
have
emphasized
that
there
are
two
shifts
that
the
officers
can
work.
K
A
K
Well,
the
there's
a
sign
up
for
it,
so
what
happens
is
every
month,
for
example,
the
next
month
coming
up
is
september
by
mid-august
officers
who
are
available
or
who
want
to
work.
It
will
sign
up
through
our
office
of
administration,
on
what
dates
that
they're
available
to
work
in,
so
that
would
be
their
assignment
during
their
time
off
so
say.
For
example,
a
cta
detail
is
open
for
me
to
work
on
monday
and
I'm
off
and
I'd
like
to
work
it
for
pay.
Then
I
can
go
ahead
and
sign
up
for
that.
K
G
A
Yeah,
that's
right
so,
but
it
sounds
like
basically
it's
it's.
It
sounds
like
it's
essentially
overtime
right,
so
so,
as
as
officers
are
kind
of
interested
in
doing
this
essentially
over
time
work
beyond
their
full-time
responsibility,
they
sign
up
and
then
they
get
and
then
the
city
pays
them
for
overtime
and
gets
reimbursed
for
it,
but
I'm
guessing
you
probably
can't
fill.
I
mean
I
presume
you're
not
able
to
fill
two
shifts
every
single
day.
K
K
There
are
two
officers
every
day,
usually
the
am,
and
then
the
pm
there
are
certain
times
when
certain
dates
can't
get
filled,
for
example,
holidays
or
sometimes
during
the
summer
months,
with
everybody
being
on
vacation.
There
might
be
anywhere
from
you
know:
one
open
shift
to
maybe
10.
It
really
just
depends
on
everyone's
personal
schedule,
but
usually
usually
at
least
half
of
the
month
is
filled
for
both
am
and
pm
shift.
A
And
I
guess
the
question
in
light
of
that
is:
does
the
city
does
the
department
feel
like
it's
like
really
good,
but
not
essential,
then
to
have
those
shifts
filled
because
it
sounds
like
tons
of
them
are
filled,
but
also
plenty
of
them
aren't
filled.
Is
that
viewed?
As
I
mean,
the
difference
between
having
someone
not
having
someone
seems
like
a
really
big
difference.
K
Well,
I
think,
generally
speaking,
we
like
to
have
the
train
detailed
there
and
for
officers
to
work
it
simply
because
it
is
a
lot
of
work
and
the
person
that
works
at
the
officer
that
signs
up
for
it
is
dedicated
solely
to
the
cta
activities.
For
that
day,
and
you
know
when
you
look
at
our
cta
system
within
the
city
of
evanston,
as
I've
stated,
we
have
eight
l
stops
from
howard
street
all
the
way
up
north
to
central
with
davis,
especially
being
center
city
and
with
a
lot
of
foot
traffic
there.
K
We
do
obviously
prefer
that
it's
filled,
but
there
there
are
days
that
it
that
there
aren't
and
two,
although
there
may
be
times
where
there
aren't
every
single
day
filled
in
the
month
depending
on
people's
personal
schedules,
there
are
certainly
times
where,
every
month
every
shift
is
filled.
For
you
know
several
months
at
a
time
it
just
it
just
depends
on.
You
know,
officers
availability
when
they
can
sign
up
for
it
if
it
fits
with
their
own
work,
schedule,
plus
personal
schedule,
et
cetera,
dc.
B
K
A
A
A
K
K
They
have
had
both
they've
had
both
at
howard.
You
will
see
a
lot
of
security
guards
that
are
there
and
also
cta
extra
cta
personnel.
That's
there
because
it's
a
it's
a
the
end
of
their
line
of
the
red
line
and
then
also
because
it's
a
bigger
stop
with
a
lot
of
traffic
and
then,
as
far
as
all
their
other
stops
you,
you
can
see
both
security
guards
as
well
as
uniformed
police
officers,
that
are
also
being
a
presence
at
the
various
l-stops.
C
C
C
K
We
as
part
of
the
beat
officers
duties,
they
will
patrol,
they
will
patrol
the
the
ctas,
but
it
depends
on
you
know
how
busy
the
day
is,
for
example,
in
our
downtown
area,
we
have
an
officer
that
works
our
downtown
area
and
they
have
both
the
metra
and
the
davis
I'll
stop
there
at
davis
that
tries
to
be
a
root.
You
know
we
try
to
have
that
to
be
a
routine
stop
for
patrol
officers
to
conduct
directed
area
patrols
at
but
depending
on
how
the
day
is.
K
K
So
the
the
the
nice
thing
about
having
the
detail
is
that
when
an
officer
is
signed
up
to
work,
those
details
for
the
train,
that
is
their
sole
activity
for
that
day.
That's
their
purpose
for
that
day
is
to
to
work
the
train
to
ride
it
back
and
forth
to
track
all
the
train
stops
to
check
in
with
the
people
that
are
working,
the
train,
stops,
etc.
A
A
E
Thank
you
I'll
be
faster
and
quieter
than
last
time.
I
hope
I
was
just
wondering
since
we
this
seems
like
a
good
opportunity
for
some
data
comparison.
What
do
we
know
about
reports
of
violence
on
shifts
when
there
is
a
epd
officer
on
duty
and
when
there
is
not?
And
what
do
we
know
about
the
kinds
of
incidents
that
they're
called
to
respond
to?
L
A
Great
thanks
that'd
be
really
interesting
to
see
because
as
you
as
as
she
says,
it's
very
it's
a
natural
experiment.
That's
been
created
by
this
weird
situation
that
lots
of
shifts
are
going
unfilled,
so
we
can.
We
can
see
if
they're
what
the
difference
that
generates
all
right,
so
we're
past
we're
past
five
o'clock.
I
think
I
said
six
before
I'm
on
the
eastern
time
zone.
I
apologize
we're
past
five
o'clock,
so
I'm
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
break.
A
A
Just
shoot
me
an
email,
let's
say
in
the
next
48
hours,
by
close
of
business
thursday,
and
we
can
I'll
make
sure
that
those
those
concerns
are
are
heard
and
addressed
before
the
city
moves
forward
and
obviously
not
one
option
is
to
like
be
concerned
and
try
to
stop
this
one
option
is
just
to
say
this
seems
great.
One
option
is
to
say:
let's
continue
doing
this,
but
monitor
it
carefully,
so
that
we
have
all
the
data
in
hand
next
time.
A
I
want
to
thank
the
chief
for
joining
us
and
and
for
your
for
your
help,
letting
us
see
this
data
that'll
help
us
better
understand
this
and
thanks
everyone
for
for
your
participation
in
this
meeting.
I
we
obviously
have
some
homework
that
came
out
of
this
I'll.
Send
some
emails
around
and
again
we'll
look
forward
to,
among
other
things,
hearing
from
the
moran
center
two
weeks
from
today.