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This Video Shows the conversation between the Law Enforcement Action Partnership, and the Rethinking the Organizational Structure working group of the Reimagining Public Safety Committee.
A
A
To
9-1-1
and
I
think
in
a
little
bit
of
time,
they've
been
on
on
board
and
again
this
is
still
really
fresh
and
they
understand
that
we
understand
they're,
going
to
continue
to
expand
their
hours
of
operations
and
and
make
adjustments
as
needed.
But
I
think
what
we've
noticed
is
the
main
concern
and
dr
king
spoke
to
this
is
right
now
it
really
isn't.
A
First
response,
you
know
they,
I
think,
tops
need
about
60
minutes
to
respond
and
then
even
on
slow
days,
they
might
need
about
20
minutes
to
respond,
and
we
know
you
know
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
but
lineup,
but
but
emergency
response
really
is,
I
would
say
you
know
what
five
minutes
or
less.
Maybe
even
you
know,
and
so
I
don't
think
right
now.
It's
set
up
to
be
first
response.
A
Right
now
it's
not,
they
don't
employ
people
from
our
local
evanston
community,
which
I
think
we
should
have
an
element
of
that
that
one
that
aligns
with
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
terms
of
local
hiring,
but
in
sensitive
matters
such
as
this,
I
think
it
is.
It
can
be
extremely
powerful
and
to
have
a
someone
responding
to
cause
that
people
are
familiar
with
and
someone
who's
familiar
with
the
city
so
wow.
I
think
it
it's
it's
a
benefit.
A
I
think
it's
a
good
good
start
and
it
will
certainly
play
a
role
in
helping
us
respond
to
mental
health
cause.
I
think,
there's
still
some
work
to
be
done,
so
I
just
wanted
to
try
to
stitch
that
all
together
and
if
anybody
has
any
questions
really
quickly,
we
got
five
more
minutes
with
dr
king.
Now
that
you
have
a
bit
more
context
on
on
on
their
role,
feel
free
to
to
unmute.
D
C
D
So
there
was
like
the
ceasefire
model
where
they
had
individuals
who
were
from
the
community
to
kind
of
go
in
and
mentor
to
take
those
same
individuals
and
properly
train
them
and
conflict
resolution
mediation
and
also
send
them
into
the
community
to
handle
again
very
low
level
calls
disturbances
between
neighbors
intoxicated
persons.
Suspicious
persons
calls
because
we
often
know
that
the
suspicious
person
calls
the
description
of
a
suspicious
person
is
often
a
six
foot
tall.
D
Incredible
messengers
may
have
the
the
relationships
to
kind
of
resolve
conflicts
to
know
that
this
individual
is
not
a
suspicious
person
he's
just
the
brother
working
and
he
got
off
late
from
work
and
he's
that's.
Why
he's
walking
down
the
street
so
that
I
don't
know
if
I
explain
fully
what
what
what
the
credible
messenger
is,
but
just
to
in
brief
it
is
they
they
would
be
individuals
who
have
social
capital
within
the
community
who
are
trained
in
mediation
and
conflict
resolution
who
are
unarmed?
E
F
Thank
you,
I
would
just
say
just
for
purposes
of
recording
that
you
know.
Trilogy
does
have
a
peer
responder
model
too,
so
it
was
really
important.
I
think,
to
evanston,
and
thankfully
the
pritzker
administration,
our
governor,
that
the
mental
health
alternative
to
9-1-1
be
a
pair
of
very
similar
what
you
said,
dr
king,
a
social
worker
and
a
peer
support
specialist,
because
we
have
seen,
in
other
municipalities
a
social
worker
being
accompanied
by
a
police
officer
and
and
our
community.
F
I
think
quickly
recognized
that
that
would
defeat
the
purpose
of
this
truly
being
an
alternative,
and
thankfully
our
governor
did
too.
My
question
is
about
this
community
responder
model
being
utilized,
and
I
apologize.
If
you
did
cover
it,
I
was
a
little
late.
Is
it
this
model's
been
utilized
for
traffic
enforcement
purposes
anywhere,
because
that's
another.
D
E
Oh
sure
yeah,
so
that's
that's
a
great
question
in
my
mind.
There's
sort
of
three
buckets
so
community
responders
address
a
large
range
of
issues
ranging
you
know:
mental
health,
addiction,
homelessness
and
then
sort
of
you
know
conflicts
juveniles,
those
those
types
of
issues
where
it's
like
trying
to
kind
of
manage
a
situation
and
and
resolve
it,
and
no
formal
action
needs
to
be
taken.
But
maybe
referrals
to
services
things
like
that.
E
And
I
know
that
evanson
has
done
a
bunch
of
research
on
traffic
stops
and
I
don't
know
if
there
are
specific
recommendations,
but
when
we've
worked
with
other
cities,
our
recommendation
is
just
to
you
know:
change
police
policy
to
stop
doing
these
low-level
pretext.
Basically,
pretextual
stops
where
police
will
do
kind
of
fishing
expeditions.
E
A
lot
of
the
the
issue
with
traffic
stops
is
not
that
you
want
somebody
different
doing
the
traffic
stop,
but
it
doesn't
need
to
be
done
at
all,
and
so
that's
that's
sort
of
the
the
easy
answer
for
a
lot
of
those
situations
and
sort
of
the
you
know.
Oh
I'm
gonna
pull
somebody
over
for
not
using
a
turn
signal
and
then
try
to
get
them
to
agree
to
a
consent,
search
or
hunt
around
for
some.
E
You
know
probable
cause,
that's
something
we
just
try
to
have
nobody
do
that
because
yeah
as
lionel
said
in
general,
the
pulling
somebody
over
is
not
generally
allowed
for,
like
a
a
civilian,
you
know,
non-police
would
not
be
able
to
do
that.
That's
I
believe
it's
you
know.
It
relates
to
law
enforcement
powers
and
may
be
considered.
You
know
some
sort
of
kind
of
use
of
force
or
detention
that
just
a
regular
person
can't
can't
do
so.
D
D
F
I'll
jump
in
I'll
jump
in
and
just
say
that
so
I'll
I
didn't
introduce
myself.
My
name
is
patrick
and
devlin,
and
I
am
the
executive
director
of
evanston's
legal
aid
organization,
and
I
will
say
this
is
something
that
moran
center's
been
pushing
for
for
a
number
of
years.
So
we're
really
excited
to
have
this
alternative
to
to
9114
for
crisis,
calls
and
and
really
excited
that
evanston
laid
the
groundwork
for
what
is
now
a
statewide
initiative.
A
F
The
state
that
flick
came
through
with
with
the
dollars
in
order
to
to
make
this
dream
a
reality.
So
I
I'm
thrilled
by
it
and
I'm
thrilled
also,
though,
that
alderman
burns
brought
leap
to
the
conversation,
because
I
think
that
the
model
that
trilogy
and
also
we
haven't
mentioned
thresholds.
But
this
living
room
model
that'll
accompany
mental
health
crisis,
calls
that
what
you're
talking
about
is,
as
I
often
refer
to,
is
a.
F
Like
it's
not
in
exclusion
to
this
concept
of
a
mental
health
crisis
call,
but
I
really
appreciate
what
you've
laid
out
tonight,
which
is
further
accompaniment
to
to
this
alternative
model
and
and
as
mayor
our
mayor
mayor
bis,
has
said
during
many
reimagining.
Public
safety
calls
it's
it's
trying
to
think
through.
How
can
we
limit
as
as
much
as
possible
to
utilize
law
enforcement
for
what
they
are
special,
their
specialty.
C
F
D
You
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
so
much
patrick
everyone
on
the
call.
I
again
apologize
at
6
35,
but
I
do
have
to
go,
but
the
brilliant
amos
will
be
here
to
answer
any
further
questions
and
to
continue
this
dialogue
councilman
burns.
I
will
follow
up
in
the
email
and
I
believe
that
was
patrick
who's.
Recording
or
was
it
robert.
A
C
A
F
A
I
think
the
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
the
with
a
peer,
but
a
peer
doesn't
necessarily
need
to
be
a
local
person
with
the
way
dr
king
put
his
social
capital,
and
so
I
just
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I
understand
that
correctly
because
in
my
mind,
I'm
thinking
of
again
a
appearance,
someone
that
can
kind
of
speak
from
direct
lived
experience
and
it's
not
necessarily
a
mental
health.
You
know
mental
health,
professional
and
you.
A
To
to
but
but
can
speak
more
towards
their
lived
experience,
but
a
credible
messenger
is
when,
when,
when
dr
k
says
social
capital,
that
that
strikes
me
as
someone
who
and
it
doesn't
need
need
to
be
this-
it
could
be
their
social
capital
could
come
from
their
lived
experience.
But
I
kind
of
added
another
layer
to
it,
which
is
they.
They
have
social
capital
because
people
know
them
in
the
community.
So
maybe
you
could
talk
a
bit
about
how
other
places
have
kind
of
defined,
credible
messengers?
A
B
C
A
E
Yeah,
so
so
thank
you
for
asking
that,
and
you
know
really
the.
I
think
the
experts
on
this
topic
would
be
you
all,
because
this
is
different
in
each
community.
As
far
as
who,
who
is
going
to
be
really,
you
know
effective
in
this
role,
and
you
know,
evanston
is
very
different
from
newark
and
from
atlanta
and
from
many
and
from
many
other
jurisdictions.
E
You
know
from
all
backgrounds
on
their
on
their
calls
and
so
they're.
You
know
obviously
there's
a
lot
of
different
things,
you're
trying
to
balance-
and
you
know
you
want
some
level
of
of
expertise
on
certain
issues.
You
also
want
people
who
are
who
are
good
at
things
like
conflict
resolution,
de-escalation,
mediation,
you
want,
you
know,
people
who
can
really
connect
with
somebody
from
from
every
neighborhood,
and
you
know
that
it's
it's
a
lot
of
things
to
balance,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
was,
if
that's
a
helpful
explanation.
E
But
really
our
main
goal
is
to
kind
of
free
cities
from
thinking
about.
Oh,
it
has
to
be
a
mental
health
clinician
and
a
paramedic
which,
like
which
is
one
of
the
cahoots
model,
and
it's
like
okay,
no
free
your
mind
from
that
and
think
about.
You
know
what
would
be
what
would
be
most
helpful
to
allow
you
to
address
the
greatest
possible
range
of
calls.
A
This
is
something
that
I've
kind
of
suggested
early
on,
just
listening
to
them,
even
before
they
launched
and
just
hearing
that
they
were
going
to
take
60
minutes
to
get
to
a
call
again,
I
think
that's.
We
all
know
that
that
that's
not
quick
enough
to
be
a
first
response
and
they
said
with
some
additional
funding
and
and
they
need
they
need
to
do
this
for
a
few
months
to
get
some
data
in.
So
they
know
how
much
that
additional
cost
will
be
to
the
city,
but
I
think
for
additional.
If
we.
E
E
A
A
a
credible
messenger,
you
know
one
or
two
credible
messengers
who,
in
my
opinion,
should
you
know,
live
in
evanston
and
have
some
have
some
connection
to
evanston.
I
think
that
would
be
you
know
the
personally.
I
think
that
would
be
the
most
impactful
model
to
have
here
in
evanston
in
terms
of
our
community
responder
model,
so
I
just
wanted
to
offer
that
just
so.
You
know
where
my
head
is
that
I
had
a
meeting
with.
A
I
went
to
a
roll
call
with
our
evanston
police
department
and
what
they
expressed
in
the
room
you
could
tell
from
what
they
expressed,
that
they
didn't
have
confidence
that
this
could
be
a
first
response
right
now.
They
really
saw
the
trilogy
program
as
something
where
after
they've
already
went
to
the
call.
They
then
called
trilogy
in
either
to
respond
that
same
day
or
next
day
for
follow-up
right
and
and
that's
more
in
line
with
what
a
detective
would
do
in
certain
situations.
A
E
A
E
Yeah
well,
I
did
have
a
one
thing,
I
forgot
to
say
in
a
reaction,
because
that
was
that
was
really
helpful.
Thank
you,
councilman.
So,
first
of
all
one
thing
I
wanted
to
just
mention
briefly
is
that
you
know
often
the
way
people
generally
use.
The
word
peer
is
usually
when
people
use
the
word
peer
they're
talking
about
somebody
with
lived
experience
in
the
areas
of
mental
health,
addiction,
homelessness,
and
then
you
you
could
use
the
word.
If
you
were.
A
E
E
So
what
they're?
What
they're,
starting
out
with,
is
a
relatively
narrow
range
of
calls
that
they
will
be
responding
to
it's
pretty
what
I
would
call
sort
of
pure
mental
health
calls,
and-
and
and
it's
also
coming
in
through
a
specialized
number,
so
they're
not
getting
necessarily
referrals
from
like
9-1-1,
which
is
which
is
just
what
most
people
call
right,
and
so
you
can
end
up
with
a
system
where
they
have
the
bandwidth
to
respond
quickly,
but
they
aren't
getting
enough
calls
and
then
people
say:
oh
well,
see
we
didn't.
E
We
didn't
need
this.
I
was
like
well,
you
do
need
it,
but
you
just
didn't
connect
it
to
the
fire
hose
of
calls
coming
into
911
and
they're,
not
addressing
the
broader
range
of
of
calls
that
they
could
be
handling,
which
is
you
know,
someone
calls
the
police
because
or
911,
because
they
can't
get
their
kid
to
go
to
school
or
because
you
know
they're
having
a
dispute
with
their
neighbor
and
barking
dogs
or
whatever
you
know,
they're
not
going
to
handle
those
calls.
And
so
people
get
a
picture
of.
A
E
A
Going
out
and
doing
outreach,
I
think
at
some
point
we're
going
to
move
more
swords
either
connecting
to
911
or
having
a
separate
98
number
whenever
that
launches.
But
I
appreciate
that.
Thank
you
any
other
thoughts
about
this
community
responder
model
again,
where
right
now
we're
kind
of
looking
at
the
brooklyn
center
model,
where
what
they've
done
is,
is
they're
working
to
create
a
new
department.
A
A
E
A
F
B
Hey
thanks
for
acknowledging
me.
I
know
I've
been
a
little
unplugged
from
this
work
lately,
but
I
like
what
I'm
hearing
and
just
appreciate
you
all
continuing
to
bring
in
more
experts
to
kind
of
talk
us
through
this.
One
thing
I
was
wondering
is
just
have
we
done
anything
to
to
sort
of
begin
to
analyze
what
this
department
would
cost
or
kind
of
what
this
structure
would
look
like
and,
like
I'm
just
thinking
of
you
know
any
pushback.
We
might
want
to
anticipate
around
like
taking
this
in
a
direction.
B
A
Amos
I'd
love
to
to
hear
your
response
on
this,
but
I
do
want
to
say
you
know
again.
It
is
good
that
the
state
you
know
within
this
narrow
area
of
community
responder
and
mental
health
response
crisis
response.
In
particular,
I
think
the
state
the
state
of
illinois
has
gave
us
a
huge
gift
in
that
they've
provided
funding
to
support
you
know,
crisis
response
for
mental
health
related
calls.
A
But
it
still
costs
a
lot
less
than
if
we
were
to
create
like
our
own
team
entirely,
it
doesn't
mean
we
won't
have
some
employees
that
are
that
are
responding
to
different
disturbance
and
nuisance
related
calls.
But
again
it
just.
It
keeps
the
cost
down
a
lot
more
than
I
think
other
municipalities
may
be
experiencing,
who
don't.
A
E
E
We're
still
working
on
exactly
what
the
cost
is
of
like
kind
of
creating
a
new
department
as
far
as
the
cost
of
having
a
program.
So,
for
example,
amherst
did
not
like
create
a
new
department,
but
the
responder
program
is
under.
It
is
city
employees,
so
it
is,
I
guess,
under
the
town
manager,
I'm
actually
not
exactly
sure
how
it's
officially
categorized,
but
they're
city
employees
and
one
of
the
benefits
there
I'll
say
quickly
before
talking
about
the
budget.
Is
you
know,
as
we've
talked
about
like
with
trilogy,
you
know
there?
E
E
E
I
mean
it
would
that
would
probably
just
be
like
one
responder
team
operating
at
a
time,
and
so
you
might
have
like
five
teams
total
that
would
cover
24
7
every
day
and
that's
I,
it
might
have
been
patrick
who
mentioned
this
earlier,
that
you
know,
along
with
response
times,
police
have
a
lot
of
concerns
around
sure.
It's
great
that
this
is
happening
during
limited
hours.
But
what
about
you
know?
E
I'm
out
on
patrol
on
the
night
shift,
and
what
do
I
do
you
know
and
and
they
in
terms
of
getting
police
buy-in,
it's
also
important
to
have
something
like
like
they
will
actually
support
something
more
that
is
24,
7
or
or
close
to
it,
because
they
they
want
wanted
to
be
consistent.
They
wanted
to
be
there
for
it's
like
well
look.
A
Know
officer,
howard,
I've
probably
heard
him
say
that
you
know
a
bunch
of
different
times
during
our
war
meetings
and
it's
true
like
they
really
pride
themselves
on
it.
They
don't
skip
calls
if
you
call
9-1-1,
someone
will
show
up
and
I
think
that's
the
level
of
consistency
and
that
they're
looking
for
probably
in
other
programs,
I
would
imagine
kimberly.
Did
you
have
anything
else
on
this.
A
B
C
Okay,
my
question-
you
might
have
kind
of
already
answered
this,
but
I
was
curious
about
whether
you've
seen
cities
do
it
kind
of
contracting
out
to
local
organizations
or
whether
you're,
mostly
seeing
cities
set
up
their
own
departments
or
programs
fully
staffed
by
city
employees,
and
then
what
sort
of
evanston's
thoughts
are
on.
So
since
there
is
this
trilogy
program
that
has
been
created,
that's
more
contracted
out.
What
would
that
look
like
here.
A
I
could
speak
to
the
first
or
the
second
part.
I
think
it
was
but
yeah
I
mean
I.
What
I
will
say
is,
I
think,
someone
trilogy
plans
to
and
would
like
to
connect
to
9-1-1.
So
I
think
that's
a
good
thing.
Trilogy
is
transitioning
for
24
7
crisis
response
right
now,
they're
24-7
part
of
the
part
of
the
time.
I
think
until
I
don't
know
if
it's
five
six
seven
pm
is
christ,
you
know
in
person,
crisis
response,
but
they're
24
hours,
24
7
enough.
A
I
have
a
24
7
hotline
number
that
you
can
call,
but
they
plan
the
next
few
weeks.
I
believe
I
can't
remember
exactly
when
the
launch
is
to
to
be
24
7.
or
to
be.
I
don't
know
if
it's
24
7
or
if
it's
it's
still,
it's
probably
still.
It
ends
at
around
six
to
seven
p.m,
but
they
plan
to
do
that
seven
days
a
week,
maybe
I
mean.
F
A
I
think
there's
I
think
we
can,
because
of
that,
it's
a
really
good
start.
Like
I
said
it's
it's
something
that
I
don't
think
other
states
are
doing
it's
it's
it's
the
reason
why
I
believe
the
what
we
need
to
do
is
have
a
designated
trilogy
team
in
evanston,
headquartered
somewhere
here
and
then
hire
additional
employee
employees,
city
of
evanston
employees.
A
You
know
to
to
respond
to
calls
that
trilogy
can't
respond
to
at
this
moment
at
least,
and
I
can
see
those
two
teams
working
well
together
and
we've
we've
talked
about
it
with
trilogy.
I
think
they're
open
to
it.
They
just
again
they
want
they
just
started,
so
they
want
a
few
more
months
to
get
some
data
in.
C
A
E
I
can
tell
you
quickly
that
you
know
so
so
cahoots
is
that's
a
that's
a
third
party
agency,
the
white
bird
clinic
that
handles
it,
and-
and
so
you
know
they,
they
have
a
relatively
broad
range
of
calls
because
they've
been
doing
it
for
many
years,
but
there's
a
lot
of
calls
that
they
just
don't
you
know,
don't
don't
really
deal
with.
Also
a
third
party
in
denver
olympia.
E
Washington
is
also
one
of
the
longest
existing
programs
and
they
were
originally
a
third
party
like
they
contracted
out,
but
it
wasn't
working
out
very
well
and
so
they've
actually
transferred
to
be
transitioned
to
become
city
employees,
which
I
think
is
a
great
development
for
them.
There
yeah.
There
are
many
others
in
in
dayton
in
amherst.
A
lot
of
the
newer
ones
are
because
they
have
a
bit
of
a
broader
vision.
They
are
becoming
city
city
employees.
E
E
A
In
evanston,
which
most
cities,
I
think,
there's
only
one
other
city
in
the
state,
one
or
two
other
cities
in
the
state
that
have
a
health
department
we're
one
of
them.
We
also
have
a
fully
funded
youth
and
young
adult
development
team,
which
I
think
is
about
a
million.
That's
basically
where
our
million
is
right.
It's
in
our
existing
youth
and
young
adult
development
team,
and
they
have
outreach
workers
about,
I
think
at
least
six,
six
or
seven,
and
then
I
know
I'm
missing
something.
A
Then
we
also
have
a
victim
services
department
within
our
health
department.
So
there's
already
a
lot
that
the
city
does
in
investing
and
outreach
and
yeah
and
and
so
yeah,
and
if
we
wanted
to
create
another
another
program,
I
think
it.
It
benefits
us
to
try
to
use
the
state
funded
program
as
much
as
possible
and
then
maybe
you
know,
have
a
few
additional
hires
as
needed,
but
I
just
want
to
give
you
some
context.
This
is
a
city
that
does
a
lot.
E
Yeah,
I
should
have
been
more
more
clear
that
the
cities
haven't
necessarily
created
a
new
department
and
and
that
they
have
often
they
have
in
some
places
in
brooklyn
center
in
albuquerque.
I
think
in
ithaca,
but
in
in
others.
They've
just
found
a
home
for
the
program
within
the
city
somewhere,
so
in
in
rochester.
I
think
it's
in
the
department
of
parks
and
rec
people
have
been
creative
on
that,
but
it
would
definitely
be
worth
talking
to.
E
You
know
the
youth
services
department
and
some
of
the
other
ones
to
understand
their
work
because
it
does
sound
like
there's.
A
lot
of
you
know,
capacity
that
they've
built
in
that
area,
and
just
you
know
it
does
does
seem-
definitely
plausible
that
there
could
be
a
program
housed
within
one
of
those
city
agencies
if,
if
desired,
but
the
one
thing
I
was
going
to
add
that
I
forgot
was
this.
E
E
F
That,
with
additional
funding
from
the
federal
government
that
it
could
shore
up
support
the
state
level,
so
I
would
just
I
would
just
say
that
I
think
that
we
that
the
pritzker
administration
is
a
good
partner
in
the
biden
administration
in
this.
In
this
effort.
My
question,
which
I
remember
is
amos.
Dr
king
spoke
about
training
for
either
the
community,
the
credible
community
partner,
potentially
even
the
social
worker
or
mental
health
responder
in
the
community
response
model
having
negotiation
training.
E
Well,
I'd
love
to
hear
that
so.
Okay,
first,
I
think
he
said
mediation
and
yeah.
So,
basically,
as
you
can
imagine,
if
you're
talking
about
the
broader
range
of
call
types,
that
would
include
calls
where
you
have
some
level
of
a
of
a
dispute-
and
I
mean
honestly
even
if
it's
just
what
you
would
consider
behavioral
health
calls
you
you
end
up
with
a
lot
of
situations
where
you
would
benefit
from
that
type
of
expertise.
We
have
we.
E
That's
a
little
bit
new
for
restorative
justice.
So
we've
been
talking
to
a
lot
of
restorative
justice-
practitioners
about
it
and
they're
very
excited
about
it,
and-
and
they
recognize
that
so
in
many
cases
it
would
be
great
to
for
for
the
responders
to
have
restorative
justice
training,
especially
so
that
they're
able
to
bring
things
into
a
restorative
justice
process.
It's
unlikely
that
you
know
right
on
scene.
E
You
wouldn't
go
straight
into
a
traditional
restorative
justice
or
mediation
process,
because
those
take
a
lot
of
preparation,
it's
more
about
using
a
lot
of
the
principles
and
then
setting
up
for
a
process,
but
both
of
those
processes
are.
You
know
it's
tremendously
important
to
have
those
types
of
skills
in
in
the
hands
of
the
responders.
E
Because,
frankly
I
mean
we
haven't,
looked
at
evanston
data,
but
in
in
other
jurisdictions,
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
calls
that
are
these
sort
of
low-level
disputes
that
you
know
you
want
to
be
able
to
try
to,
of
course,
de-escalate
the
tension,
but
figure
out.
Where
do
we
go
from
here
and
am
I
just
going
to
calm
things
down
and
then
go
away
and
then
come
back
next
week
when
it
flares
up
again
or
or
do
we
have
a
way
of
actually
bringing
this
to
some
sort
of
a
resolution.
E
Yes,
so
I
think
that
you
know
in
terms
of
things
that
we
that
we
can
bring
to
the
conversation,
I
mean
we're
happy
to
just
advise
and
provide
you
know,
information
about
what
other
cities
are
doing.
We
are
we're
very
interested
in
engaging
on
if
you
haven't
figured
it
out
already,
I'm
very
interested
in
kind
of
the
data
analysis
part,
partly
because
it
allows
you
to
demonstrate
look.
This
is
the
volume
of
calls
that
we're
talking
about
here.
E
They
just
take
things
much
more
seriously
when
you
have
the
details
and
you're
able
to
say
these
are
the
call
types
that
we're
talking
about.
You
know
these
are
the
types
of
calls
that
we're
talking
about
here's,
how
many
of
them
there
are
or
just
be
able
to
talk
about
the
the
dispatch
process
itself,
and
how
exactly
could
this
work?
E
So
those
types
of
questions
are
ways
that
we
can
come
in
and
be
helpful
and
for
most
of
the
conversations
where
we're
trying
to
be
helpful
with,
let's
say
the
police
or
dispatch,
we
bring
in
a,
for
example,
a
police
major
here
in
baltimore
who
ran
the
dispatch
center
and
things,
and
so
that's
he's
he's
our
credible
messenger
to
talk
to
the
police.
So
we
you
know
with
many
of
these
things.
What
we
found
is
it's
not
just
about
the
message.
E
It's
about
the
messenger,
and
so
we
we
really
believe
that
having
the
right
messenger
come
in
can
make
such
a
huge
difference
in
how
that
message
is
received.
So
those
are
the
kind
of
data
analysis
and
bringing
in
law
enforcement.
Messengers
are
two
things
that
we've
done
quite
a
bit
in
in
other
cities,
and
you
know
we're
happy
to
talk
more
about.
A
A
A
A
case
for
reparations
local
reparations
here
at
evanston,
so
I
think
similarly,
you
know
amos
and
dr
king
and
lee
can
help
us
make
a
case
for
our.
You
know:
community
responder
model,
as
well
as
just
the
kind
of
structural
change
that
we're
at
least
discussing
preliminary
right
now
that,
hopefully,
can
can
move
through
the
process
at
some
point.
A
If
that
sounds
good
for
everybody,
just
to
get
a
sense
again
of
what
types
of
calls
we're
talking
about,
so
that
we
can
prepare
ourselves
to
speak
in
a
much
more
detailed
manner
about
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
and
then
also,
I
think,
we'll
continue
the
series
of
kind
of
meeting,
partnering
or
organizations
that
partnered
with
brooklyn
center
minnesota
to
get
them
to
where
they
are
now
and
and
so
kadeen.
I
don't
know
if
we
could
potentially
meet
the
fuse
fellows.
A
G
A
G
A
They'll
give
us
a
sense
of
how
we
can
you
know
explore
getting
a
fused
fellow
of
our
own
here
at
evanston,
so
they
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
how
that
process
works.
So
if,
if
that
sounds
good
that'll
be
our
next
steps,
it's
kind
of
he's
trying
to
request
data
from
the
efficient
police
department
and
review
it
here
as
a
committee
and
then
inviting
the
mayor
of
brooklyn
of
minnesota
as
well
as
a
fuse
fellow,
that's
supporting
their
work
to
our
next
meeting.
A
A
F
One
point
of
interest
that
I
have
is
bobby:
I
think
we
we've
reached
some
level
of
consensus
around
restructuring
within
the
department
and
and
what
it
could
look
like.
I'm
just
curious,
I'm
just
thinking
out
loud
and
curious,
where
your,
where
your
head
is
at
bobby
as
to
whether
or
not
we're
at
a
stage
where
it
would
even
make
sense
to
start
drafting
an
ordinance
or
or
a
resolution
as
they
did
in
brooklyn
center.
A
A
You
know
that
would
be
a
detailed
draft
of
what
we're
trying
to
do,
and
I
I
guess
so.
The
question
is
that
my
response
will
be.
I
don't
know
if
we're
ready
for
an
ordinance,
yet
we
might
be
ready
for
a
resolution,
but
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
to
just
better
understand
the
model
that
we're
looking
to
adopt
here
in
evanston
first
and
then
run
that
by
the
community.
A
A
Unless
people
think
there's
another
course
of
action,
we
should
take,
and
kadeen
can
speak
to
this
much
better
than
I
can.
But
I
know
when
they
created
their
resolution.
There
was
a
really
an
outpour
of
kind
of
anger
and
frustration
as
a
result
of
of
a
police
related,
not
just
shooting
but
but
murder,
killing
in
in
brooklyn
center
minnesota.
A
If
I
understand
it
correctly,
and
so
I
think
they
had,
I
think
they
had
the
political
capital
they
needed
to
quickly
pass
the
resolution
right
to
do
the
work
of
drafting
a
resolution
to
quickly
pass
a
resolution,
whereas
I
don't
think
we
have
a
similar
event
that
would
make
me
feel
we
could
get
something
passed
right
now.
So
I
would
say:
let's
probably
do
the
work
making
a
case
for
it
and
and
when
we're.
A
Cool
all
right.
Well,
I'm
going
to
let
folks
go.
I
got
to
hop
on
first
to
another
meeting
and
but
but
I
want
to
give
one
more
opportunity:
if
anybody
has
anything
else,
they
they
want
to
say
amos.
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
for
coming
out
and
I'll.
Let
dr
king
know
through
email
that
we
appreciate
him
for
coming
out,
rose,
patrick
matthew,
of
course,
kimberly
dean.