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From YouTube: Social Services Committee - Jan. 19, 2023
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Discussion and Approval to recommend FY2023 allocations for Case Management and Safety Net Service applicants and Support Services funds to City Council. Find the agenda, packet and more information on the committee's web page: https://www.cityofevanston.org/government/social-services-committee
B
C
D
A
Kathy.
You
we've
just
suspended
the
rules
to
meet
virtually
and
adopt
a
minute,
so
you
have
missed
just
the
technical
stuff
so
for
public
comment,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
all
those
in
attendance
know
that
now
is
the
time
for
public
comment
or
later
in
the
meeting.
When
we
provide
some
opportunity
for
public
comment
as
well,
it
is
so
much
harder
as
a
Committee,
Member
and
and
for
all
of
our
committee
members
to
make
informed
decisions.
A
If
we
hear
public
comment
a
week
from
now
after
we've
already
made
decisions
or
sort
of
after
we've
already
had
a
discussion
so
as
we
go
through
this
discussion,
both
sort
of
prior
to
but
then
after,
please
make
sure
that
that
if
you
have
concerns-
or
you
want
to
voice
something
now
really
is
the
time
with
regards
to
FY
23
allocation.
So
please
no!
It
is
so
much
harder
for
us
if
we
get
it
after
the
fact
that
we've
already
made
a
vote.
A
A
Okay-
and
we
did
have
I
mean
we
met
I
I,
just
we
met
until
past
11
our
last
meeting.
So
there
were
a
lot
of
public
comments.
A
lot
of
discussion,
I'm
gonna,
try
my
best
to
have
our
committee
meetings
more
family
friendly,
meaning
that
they
end
at
a
more
reasonable
hour.
So
all
of
us
can
sleep
so
I'm
gonna
do
my
best.
A
However,
I
do
want
to
continue
to
say
that
every
member
of
this
committee
values
very
much
the
public
input
and
your
comment
and
your
feedback
and
we
make
better
decisions
when
we're
informed
by
your
guys's
position.
So
we
value
public
comment,
but
we
will
at
this
moment
because
we're
seeing
no
one
raise
their
hands
to
provide
additional
public
comment
beyond
what
they
provided.
Last
meeting
till
11
o'clock
at
night.
We're
going
to
move
to
our
discussion
and
funding
guidelines
for
FY
23,
Public
Services,
and
there
is
an
attachment.
D
A
A
All
right
so
I'm
seeing
no
objection,
so
we
will
move
to
five
b,
which
is
the
allocation
recommendations
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
we
all,
as
individual
members
scored
these
applications
and
when
you
you
look
at
that
distribution
and
we
see
just
great
diversity,
which
I
think
is
wonderful.
It
really
means
that
all
of
our
committee
members
are
coming
from
this
with
really
different
perspectives
and
I.
You
know
I
think
I.
Think
that's
wonderful.
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
a
really
productive
conversation
today.
D
A
A
For
that.
So
I
think
this
was
a
very
hard
exercise
for
me.
I'm
seeing
folks
not
so
I
suspect
it
was
very
hard
for
them
to
kick
off
discussion.
I'm
gonna
be
brave
and
walk
through
sort
of
what
my
initial
thoughts
were
and
fully
acknowledge
that
they
may
or
may
not
have
been
right,
but
it
was
sort
of
how
I
started
the
prop
the
very
hard
process
of
making
very
large
reductions
to
necessary
services
and
I'm,
hoping
that
that'll
help
us
sort
of
start.
A
The
discussion
of
where
we
land
on
the
various
allocations,
because
there's
I
think
if
everybody's
viewed
the
spreadsheet
there
are
ranges
on
every
single
line
and
I
suspect
that
really
stems
from
the
difficult
task
that
was
before
us
as
a
committee,
and
so
some
of
the
logic
I
used,
though
imperfect
was
we
last
year,
stepped
up
as
oh
go
ahead.
Jessica.
D
A
My
thought
again
imperfectly
was
to
provide
stable
funding
to
our
existing
services
that
we
were
currently
funding
so
that
we
to
the
which
obviously
we
still
couldn't
do.
We
still
had
to
provide
reductions
from
that,
but
to
sort
of
prioritize
our
existing
funding
and
organizations.
We
are
currently
funding
so
that
they
could
continue
to
the
best
of
their
ability
to
to
do
what
they
did
at
least
last
year.
So
that
was
sort
of
some
of
my
logic.
A
The
other
things
I
did
as
and
we'll
walk
through
each
line,
but
I
looked
through
the
budgets
and
I
suspect.
All
of
you
did
their
very
thorough
review
of
their
applications
of
their
budgets,
and
so
some
of
the
things
that
I
that
jumped
out
at
me
is
if
an
organization
had
a
lot
of
other
funding,
they
saw
large
funding
growths
from
other
sources.
I
thought
they
might
be
better
positioned
to
absorb
a
reduction
from
the
City
of
Evanston.
A
Then
an
organization
that
necessarily
didn't
necessarily
have
that
same
increase.
So
I
I
made
some
tweaks
there
and
it
wasn't
from
again
in
my
imperfect
allocation.
It
wasn't
because
I
didn't
value
those
services,
but
rather
I
thought
that
that
organization
could
absorb
the
reduction
where
others
might
not
be
able
to.
So
those
were
some
of
the
things
that
I
thought
through
and
then
I
also
didn't
want.
Last
bid
was
I
tried
my
best,
because,
even
if
you
did
all
of
that,
you
still
had
to
make
reductions.
A
A
Thank
you,
and
so
those
were
some
of
that
was
some
of
the
logic
I
made
in
my
draft
allocations
and
I'll,
just
open
it
up
to
other
committee
members,
and
we
can
just
walk
through
case
management
first
and
and
and
then
safetynet.
So
we
can
discuss
it
sort
of
high
level
as
I
just
did
and
then
walk
through
both
together.
I'll
pause
for
comments
from
committee
members.
C
C
So
let's
I'm
I'm
interested
in
knowing
how
we
move
ahead
with
with
allocating
what
we
have
and
then
the
question
that
I
have
is
that
I
I
know
that
the
that
the
amount
available
for
these
requests
will
not
will
not
be
fully
settled,
I
believe
until
May
or
June.
So
there
may
be
a
possibility,
am
I,
correct
on
this
or
in
my
office,
some
other
tangent
that
there
may
be
a
possibility
of
other
funding.
C
Again,
it's
a
possibility
and
I'm
wondering.
If
then,
at
that
point
do,
does
that
potentially
extra
funding
then
get.
Do
we
revisit
that
in
terms
of
this
with
this
list
you
know
and
and
possibly
add
to
some
of
these
requests,
some
of
these
organizations
budgets
with
those
funds.
That's
a
question.
I
guess
a
long
question,
but.
D
F
D
A
bit
of
a
formula
there,
but
the
short
story
is
that
that
the
city
does
not
yet
know
how
much
we
will
be
awarded
in
cdbg
funds,
so
we
might
have
once
we
do
get
our
final
amount.
There
may
be
additional
money
for
public
services,
and
if
that
is
the
case,
this
it
would
come
before.
The
committee
and
committee
members
can
note
applications
that
you
would
perhaps
like
to
revisit
when
we,
when
we
do
have
that
information,
so
you've
nailed
the
process.
Okay,
thank
you.
D
D
At
our
last
meeting
we
did
identify
Mental,
Health
Providers
and
the
funds
allocated
to
support
services
would
go
to
renew
that
program
and
in
Prior
meetings
the
social
services
committee
identified
like
a
loose
award
structure,
so
50
of
the
award
for
safety,
net
Services
30
for
case
management
and
20
for
support
services,
and
this
is
just
a
guideline
and
and
what
committee
members
are
seeing
here
in
yellow
this
is
incorrectly
labeled
committee
allocations.
But
but
these
are
just
the
average
allocation
recommendations
from
everyone
who
submitted
award
suggestions.
These
are
not
final.
A
Thank
you
Jessica,
and
thank
you
Ken
for
your
comments
and
raising
that
very
important
issue
that
this
is
all
this
has
always
been
an
iterative
process
just
because
of
timing.
We
want
to
get
these
organizations
as
much
time
as
possible
with
funding
and
in
sort
of
some
predictability,
but
the
federal
government's
timeline
is
not
always
our
timeline.
G
H
G
Was
very
difficult,
so
my
process
was
a
little
bit
different,
though
I
do
like
what
you
were
saying:
Samantha
as
well.
Her
chair
as
well,
but
I
just
did
kind
of
an
across-the-board
percentage
off
of
everyone,
because
I
felt,
like
everyone,
you
know,
really
did
have
a
valid
request.
So
mine
was
a
little
bit
different
but
but
I'm
open
to
you
know
whatever
we
settle
on
so.
A
You
know
if
it
would
have
been
a
5
and
I'll.
Just
you
know
in
my
thought,
process
was
if
it
had
been
a
five
percent
cut
across
the
board
from
everybody's
request.
I
would
have
done
that
and
called
it
a
day
and
sent
the
spreadsheet
in
and,
like
you
know,
in
two
seconds,
but
it
was,
it
was
just
a
really
deep
cut,
and
so
then,
once
that
happened,
I
started
to
really
think
about.
A
Well,
what
would
that
mean
for
organizations
that
had
already
employed
staff
using
this
funding,
and
so
that
was
sort
of
when
I
started
to
think
about?
Okay,
I
I
will
just
say:
I
think
you
know
one
and
it's
really
unfortunate,
but
one
of
an
organization
came
to
us
because
they
got
one-time
funding
from
a
different
funding
source,
and
you
know
they
they
that
organization
that
funded
them
gave
them
one
year
and
I.
Remember
when
I
found
out
about
that,
I
got
really
frustrated
like.
H
C
A
A
I
We
have
relationships
with
many
of
these
organizations
as
far
as
working
with
them
over
the
year
or
years.
The
work
that
they've
done
in
the
community
is
highly
valuable
and
I
hope
they
understand.
This
is
the
issue
for
us,
or
at
least
for
me
of
we
don't
have
enough
money
to
fund
to
the
full
amount.
It
is
not
a
reflection
on
the
quality
of
work
that
they
do
and
the
impact
that
they
provide
in
the
community.
I
am
extremely
grateful
for
the
impact
and
the
services
they
provide.
I
I
A
A
And
I
would
just
say
you
know:
I
know
that
our
council
member
committee
members
can't
be
here
today
and
I
hope
that
they'll
that
the
whole
Council
will
recognize
I
think
the
very
thorough
discussion
this
committee
has
had
and
obviously
we'll
continue
to
have.
But
once
we
get
to
the
point
of
figuring
out
what
our
allocations
are,
I
suspect
they'll
recognize
they
were
very
painful
and
if
they
want
to
send
them
back
for
further
discussion,
I
think
we
welcome
further
discussion
and
more
pennies
to
Kathy's
point.
A
A
Hopefully,
you
know
I
think
thoughtful
discussion
will
continue
to
have
it,
but
the
issue
comes
down
to
pennies,
not
to
process
for
the
value
of
these
amazing
organizations
and
the
work
and
that
they
do
for
our
neighbors
all
right.
Other
committee
members,
or
we
can
just
sort
of
start
with
some
logic
around
case
management
and
see
where
we
land.
A
A
D
A
D
So
if
we
wanted
to-
and
this
spreadsheet
is
interactive-
thank
goodness
thank
goodness
and
I've
got
Marion
here
in
case
I
messed
everything
up,
I'm
here:
okay,
oh
yeah,
no
I!
Thank
you,
but
so
that's
what
it
would
look
like.
If
we
did
not
fund
the
new
agencies
and
committee
members
can
see,
then
we
would
be
under
our
allocation
amount
for
the
case
management
category
by
59
929
dollars.
D
A
J
A
A
little
under
sixty
thousand
dollars
to
potentially
allocate
to
organizations
that
were
previously
funded
and
my
instinct
is
looking
at
this
allocation
based
off
the
averages
we
are
at
about
94
we're
at
94
of
Cook,
Counties,
22
award
and
then
67
and
70
for
the
other
three
organizations,
and
my
thought
is
using
some
of
that
again.
This
is
an
imperfect
thought
process.
A
H
G
Just
maybe
gets
a
little
bit
less,
but
there
are
two
other
organizations
that
are
providing
something
now
what
we
end
up
offering
them
or
what
the
percentage
of
their
request
is
I
guess
we
have
to
decide
but
I
mean
I.
Guess
I
I'd
like
to
hear
what
other
committee
members
maybe
have
to
say
about
it
do
is
that
is
it?
Does
everyone
feel
strongly
that
we
should
eliminate
the
two
because
they
didn't
ask
last
year
or
do
people
want
to
you
know
I
guess
I'm
curious
about
that
and.
A
C
The
point
right
right,
that
is
my
I'm
sorry.
This
is
Ken
again
I.
That
would
be
my
thinking
as
well
that
that
both
of
those
organizations-
again-
it's
painful
for
me
to
say
this-
but
both
of
those
organizations
are
on
the
other
list
as
well,
so
that
they
and
I
think
so
to
me
that
they
will
at
least
be
funding
at
least
a
somewhat
significant
amount
for
each
of
those
organizations
in
the
other
category.
C
So
we
I
see
okay,
so
we're
we're
in
the
same
situation
again
I'm,
not
making
it
equivalent,
but
we're
in
the
same
situation
as
we
are
with
the
case
management
ones
that
were
over.
But
if
we
took
out
the
the
the
two
that
are
still
gonna
still
considered
for
funding
under
the
case
on
the
safety
net
services
and
had
not
applied
a
year
ago,
you
know
they're
new.
Therefore,
in
that
category,
well,
we
free
up
enough
money
to
to
add
to
the
other
other
other
organizations.
J
C
So
I
guess
I'm,
saying
I
would
stick
with
that.
My
opinion
would
be
to
stick
with
taking
the
the
the
the
the
two
organizations
connections
and
impact
Behavioral
Health
and
removing
them
from
this
category
for
funding.
At
this
point
and
in
reallocating
those
funds,
those
freed
up
funds
across
the
other
renewal
requests.
I
Worries
I
knew
this
was
going
to
be
a
an
emotional
discussion
for
all
of
us.
I
happen
to
agree
with
Amanda,
because
connections
to
cares
requests
is
so
specific
in
nature
to
youth
I'm
uneasy
with
eliminating
them
off
the
board
for
youth
behavioral
impact
I
understand
what
you're
saying,
but
because
at
the
end
of
the
math
we
are
thirty
thousand
over.
A
B
A
A
We
ask
these
organizations
to
come
before
this
committee
and
really
build
a
program
out
where
they
would
be
hiring
care,
coordinators
or
case
managers
specific
for
our
population,
and
so
when
you
get
to
a
significant,
a
30
or
more
reduction,
that
probably
is
going
to
start
to
impact
head
count,
and
so
that
was
sort
of
my
process
and
thought
process.
But
I
do
very
much
very
much
hear
you
on
the
need
for
especially
the
youth
program
from
connections
and
and
I.
A
C
A
C
C
Remember
there
were
three
organizations
or
companies
I
think
one
was
for
profit
who
received
that
the
special
mental
health
allocations
and
then
we
added
I
thought
we
added
impact,
Behavioral
Health
and
if
they
were
funded,
I
could
see
a
reason
if
they
were
funded
there.
I
could
see
a
reason
for
not
funding
them
under
this
category.
D
So
I
could
stick
to
that
impact.
Behavioral
Health
was
added
by
city
council
as
a
mental
health
provider
and
no
organization.
None
of
the
providers
have
received
funding
yet,
but
I
do
hope
to
have
service
agreements
out
for
their
review
by
February
and
I.
Do
anticipate
that
impact
will
receive
referrals
from
a
number
of
our
case
or
from
our
case
management
Partners,
including
connections.
J
Yeah
tie
it
up
here
we
go
so
for
me
connections,
especially
the
youth
program,
I'm
more
in
line
with
funding
them
as
much
as
we
can,
because
impact
Behavioral
Health
already
has
a
partnership
with
the
City
of
Evanston.
You
know,
even
if
we
didn't
give
them
as
much
money,
we
could
give
them
something
to
have
a
percentage
of
a
case
manager,
because
I
think
case
management
is
needed
throughout
the
community.
A
A
I
I
If
we
do
decide-
and
this
is
hypothetical
only-
it's
not
a
suggestion-
if,
if
we
did
decide
to
change
Behavioral
Health
amount,
will
we
not
given
the
affordability
crisis
that
we
are
having
that
everyone
is
having
all
through
Cook
County
regarding
affordable,
accessible
housing
for
seniors
for
families
for
individuals?
Would
we
be?
Would
it
be
an
opportunity
for
us
to
increase
the
funding
suggestion
for
them
at
that
point,
or
would
that
throw
everything
back
off
again.
A
Well,
I
think,
if
we're
adding
so
my
I
think
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
the
housing
authority
of
Cook
County
Senior
buildings,
that's
just
the
thresholds,
care
manager
and
I
think
it's
maybe
more
than
one
at
the
Housing
Authority.
But
it's
not
actually
like
the
you
know
like,
but
I
do
think
it
would
I
mean
I.
Think
if
we're
adding
money,
I
mean
I
think
this
is
why
we
probably
need
more
pennies.
A
B
One
other
dimension
Dimension
just
to
consider
with
this
is
the
percentage
of
the
program
budget,
that's
being
requested
to
the
agency's
own
program
budget
as
well,
so
I
think
some
with
some
agencies,
the
request
itself,
for
example,
with
Cook
County.
It's
it's
a
hundred
percent.
What
they're
asking
for
versus,
for
example,
infant,
Welfare
Society?
What
they're
asking
for
is
three
percent
of
the
program
budget,
so
I
think
we
probably
want
to
factor
that
into
as
we
try
to
modulate
these
numbers
to
fill
the
remainder.
A
A
D
So
the
connections
for
the
homeless
youth
program
request
is
five
percent
of
that
budget.
The
family
focused
case
management
request
is
15
of
the
budget.
The
hack
request
is
100
of
the
budget
and
88
of
the
service
agreement
with
thresholds.
The
service
agreement
with
thresholds
is
for
eighty
thousand
dollars
impact
Behavioral
Health.
That
request
is
eight
percent
of
the
budget
and
infant
Welfare
Society
for
their
case
management.
D
A
I
think
based
off
I'll,
just
throw
something
out
there.
Just
so
people
can
disagree
or
agree.
You
know,
based
off
of
sort
of
that
thought
process
are
not
Derek's.
Point.
Very
good
point
you
know
my
instinct
is
to
try
would
be
to
try
to
get
you
know,
hearing
members
of
the
committee
and
not
at
all
disagreeing
trying
to
get
connections
for
the
homeless.
J
B
B
Did
their
request
I
think
it's?
The
budget
itself
is
yeah
about
100.
Let
me
think
that's
my
thinking
and
then
the
brand
Center
I
would
at
least
bring
them
up
to
the
their
budget
from
the
year
before
I.
Don't
know
what
that
does
to
the
numbers
that
are
but
yeah,
so
maybe
okay,
maybe
potentially
went
a
little
too
far,
but
then,
what's
remaining,
we
Can
allocate.
B
A
I
A
G
B
A
I,
don't
know
what
you
know,
what
I
thought
Derek's
Point
last
time
Jessica,
it
was
very
helpful.
Could
you
walk
through
for
us
I
apologize,
keep
putting
on
the
spot,
but
on
the
percentage
of
the
budget
and
then
anything
that's
over
20.
If
you
could
just
like
kind
of
color
code,
the
cell,
since
there
are
a
few
more
organizations
that
way
we
can
keep
it
all
straight
and
by
we
and
mostly
me
that.
D
D
D
D
D
There
was
some
clarification
around
their
budgets:
James
B,
Moran,
Center,
the
request
for
social
services
or
excuse
me,
Legal,
Services,
Under
safety
net
is
seven
percent
to
the
budget.
Meals
on
Wheels
is
also
seven
percent
of
the
budget.
North
Shore
senior
centers
request
is
two
percent
of
the
budget.
A
B
D
The
top
sure
the
top
meaning
case
management,
books
and
breakfasts
books
and
breakfast
is
six
percent
of
the
budget.
Cnu's
learning
together
program
is
58
of
the
budget.
Yep
cne's,
Mental,
Health
Services,
is
64
percent
of
the
budget.
Yeah
connections
for
the
homeless
is
eleven
percent
of
the
budget.
E
B
B
B
A
E
A
E
D
B
But
I
think
Jessica.
Why
don't
we
try
just
for
the
three
right?
Was
it
Child,
Care
Network?
Why
don't
we
just
in
the
yellow
cell
for
them
I
think
chair,
Ultra,
I
heard
you
correctly.
You
want
to
do
90
multiplied
by
their
current
request.
Yes,
so
why
don't
we
just
do
equal
sign
0.9
times
that
cell
yeah?
So
let's
do
it
for
the
three
and
see
where
we
are.
B
B
A
A
A
J
A
B
F
B
A
A
J
B
I
A
F
A
F
A
A
We
didn't
do
it,
it's
that's
a
question
right.
Do
we
go
up,
I
mean
we
stopped
at
I?
Guess
the
highest
word.
There
was,
you
know
we
did
it
for
one
and
two
percent
and
three
percent.
We
stopped
at
four
percent
because
of
the
peer
Services
discussion.
Okay,
but
if
we're
going
to
reduce
you
know
where
we're
a
larger
portion
for
Meals
on
Wheels
I
think
we
need
to
probably
go
back
to
that
peer
Services
discussion,
yeah.
B
A
I
H
G
A
A
I
Well,
the
only
reason
why
I'm
concerned
about
looking
at
their
funding
from
last
year
is
because
we
had
a
different
International
Global
circumstance,
which
is
the
same
reason
why
I
didn't
hold
against
other
agencies.
The
fact
that
they
did
not
apply
for
last
year,
because
the
circumstance
was
so
dramatically
different
than
all
of
the
Arena's
Health
mental
health,
equity
and
Welfare
and
and
sustainability
I,
just
I
I
didn't
use
it
against
them,
because
the
situations
were
so
unique.
Last
year
and
the
year
before,
yeah.
A
L
A
I
I
A
G
A
A
D
D
B
I
E
A
F
A
E
M
Hello,
hello,
okay,
can
you
hear
me
we
can
hear
you
okay,
so
the
thought
I
had
was,
or
that
I
have
is.
Is
that
I'm
not
able
to
like
at
this
point
remember
all
of
the
budgets
and
the
projected
income
and
expenses
for
each
of
these
organizations,
and
that
would
affect
for
me
the
you
know
which
which
of
the
which
of
the
applicants
we
might
need
to?
We
might
we
might
reduce
right
or
which
of
these.
K
M
D
Maybe
what
is
the
saying
robbing
Peter
to
pay
Paul,
but
I
could
suggest
so.
The
support
services
category
currently
has
about
350
000
for
the
next
two
years,
and
the
support
services
awarded
in
2023,
combined
with
the
support
services
awarded
in
2024,
would
go
to
refund
that
that
that
category,
so
perhaps
I
know
that
we
are
under
the
category
estimate
for
Support
Services
but
I
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
I
think.
D
A
D
Current
amount
we
have
in
our
Support
Services
pot
is
350
000.,
so
150
is
carved
out
for
Individual
Services
and
200.
000
is
carved
out
for
group
services
over
a
two-year
period,
with
the
idea
being
that
any
support
services
allocated
in
2023
and
2024
would
go
to
renew
the
program
and
keep
it
running.
D
Challenge
on
my
end
is
I.
Don't
know
how
quickly
we're
going
to
go
through
funds
for
that
program,
but
believe
me,
I,
will
provide
plenty
of
updates
to
the
committee
as
as
Services
get
up
and
running,
but
if
we
now
have
roughly
122
and
change
to
renew
that
program
in
this
first
year
with
the
potential
of
additional
funding
in
2024.
M
J
D
A
I
D
A
I
I
A
E
So
what
you're
currently
discussing
what
I'm
seeing
is
that
with
the
current
numbers
on
the
screen,
it's
the
totals
with
all
three
categories
are
balancing
out
we're
over
around
74
000
in
safety
net
and
we're
under
around
Support
Services
you're,
not
necessarily
discussing
going
deeper
into
Support
Services,
even
lower
to
fund
more
in
safety
nets.
Right
we're
just
talking
about
the
balancing
of
the
two
correct.
G
Yeah
I
I
I
mean
I
agree
with
what's
been
said.
It
feels
like
a
tough,
a
tough
choice,
but
I
think
I
might
lean
a
little
bit
more
in
favor
of
hedging
hedging
a
little
bit
because
it
seems
like
we've
kind
of
reached
an
impasse
with
these
safety
net
services
and
like
it'd,
be
like
we're
sort
of
feeling
like
it'd,
be
hard
to
really
cut
much
more
and
I
understand.
We
may
have
to
face
some
really
tough
decisions
down
the
road
because
of
it,
but
I
think
I'd
be
okay
with
doing
that.
J
B
I,
don't
know
other
than
playing
around
with
the
80
70
percent
bet
that
ratio
that
we
applied
to
the
to
the
blue
agencies
there
colored
in
or
is
that
green
or
I'm,
not
sure
other
than
doing
that,
I,
don't
really
see
what
else
we
can
start
to
take
from
other
agencies
and
I
think
I
think
a
comment
I
believe
you
made
this
chair.
Somebody
made
it.
B
B
M
Yes,
I'm
hoping
you
can
hear
me:
okay,
we
can
so
so
so
just
one
other
I
I,
like
the
the
direction
of
the
of
the
conversation
I
too,
can
go
along
with
what
we
can
agree
on
I.
The
other
thought
that
hits
my
hits
me
is
that,
if,
if
indeed
we
find
out
in
later
this
year
that
there
is
more
money
available
than
not
we
can,
then
we
could.
If
there
is
more
money
available,
we
could
use
that
to
cover
this.
M
A
It's
a
good,
a
good
call
out
so
give
these
organizations
some
predictability
recognize
that
we
might
not
even
be
hedging
as
much
as
we're
hedging,
because
we
we're
using
a
conservative
estimate
for
our
federal
funding
sources
is,
am
I
understand
that
right,
Ken?
What
you're
saying
did
I
paraphrase
that.
M
Correct
yeah
yeah,
yes,
yes
and
I-
think
we
just
we
need
to
be
really
transparent
with.
Obviously
we
it's
not
that
we're
not,
but
I,
think
we
just
we.
We
need
to
communicate
to
everybody.
This
was
how
we
made
this
decision
and
or
this
is
this-
is
the
recommendations
we're
making
to
the
city,
council
and
they're
based
on.
M
F
D
J
A
A
A
A
I
have
no
additional
comments.
I
think
it's
an
imperfect
solution
to
an
incredibly
challenging
task,
and
it
is
you
know,
I
think
it
is
a
sound
logical
proposal
that
we'll
try
to
do
the
very
best
that
we
can
do
given
the
limitation
on
what
we
would
like
to
do.
I
think
we
would
like
to
provide
more
funding.
D
P
Thanks
so
much
Jessica,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
okay,
well,
first
of
all,
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
how
challenging
this
is
and
how
seriously
you
are
are
all
taking
this
decision.
So
I
really
appreciate
that
and
the
support
that
you
provide
to
all
of
our
organizations
in
Evanston
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
and
I
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
the
percentage
of
a
budget
I
think
is,
is
a
bit
of
an
apples
to
oranges
comparison.
P
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that,
so
the
four
percent,
for
instance,
does
not
reflect
the
amount
of
the
actual
program
budget.
Our
substance
use
treatment
specifically
for
the
City
of
Evanston,
for
sure
and
in
general,
that
peer
Services
provides
and
we're
providing
25
of
our
services
to
Evanston
and
the
Gap
that
we're
seeing
is
significant
between
reimbursement
and
and
actual
costs.
So
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
and
for
other
organizations.
My
guess
is
again.
The
program
budget
versus
org
budget
is
going
to
look
different
for
each
one.
P
J
P
A
A
It's
very
helpful
and
I
think
and
I
I
so
appreciate
you
calling
that
out
and
I
think
Jessica.
That's
something
to
be
clear
on
the
applications
next
year
organization,
budget
percentage
and
then
program
percentage
budget
just
to
make
sure
that
we
can
make
these
informed
decisions,
especially
if
we
are
we're
already
sort
of
preparing
for
some
hedging.
Q
Oh
great,
okay,
thank
you.
I
tried
not
to
ask
the
question
that
everyone
asked,
but
I
should
have
just
asked
it.
I
just
want
to
go
back
to.
There
was
an
earlier
conversation
when
this
all
got
started
about
the
connections
in
our
youth
programs
and
I.
Just
want
to
clarify
for
transparency,
sake
connections.
Youth
programs
is
an
existing
program
that
that
program
is
bare
and
running,
and
those
staff
are
in
those
roles.
Q
So
I
heard
folks
saying
the
seed
funding
and
Seed
funding
in
my
head
means
sort
of
like
initial
Investments
to
get
something
launched
that
doesn't
exist.
These
are
programs
that
are
in
operation,
so
I
just
wanted
to
be
transparent
about
that
that
this
isn't
something
that
is
something
we're
launching
from
the
ground
up.
That's
not
currently
in
place.
A
K
Yes,
hello,
everyone.
This
is
Sarah
from
thresholds,
as
stated
earlier,
I
definitely
have
so
much
respect
for
the
time.
The
effort
and
just
the
investment
of
emotion
and
just
to
pull
a
budget
like
this
together.
Definitely
the
need
is
there
and
I.
I
did
want
to
speak,
of
course,
specifically
relating
to
thresholds
and
providing
services
for
senior
buildings
through.
You
know
what
the
housing
authority
of
Cook
County,
so
we
are
and
I
don't
believe.
This
has
been
reflected.
K
We
are
currently
operating
our
program
budget
at
a
deficit
and
we're
pulling
funds
from
other
sources
to
help
keep
the
the
Staffing
in
place,
because
we
do
really
believe
in
the
services
and
the
Care
Management
provided
to
individuals
in
these
residences
and
with
a
reduction
a
further
reduction
we
would
have.
We
would
be
challenged
to
either
look
at
reducing
the
number
of
hours
or
services,
or
we
would
have
to
look
at
some
other
Alternatives
right
now.
K
The
way
things
are
structured
is
our
staff
already
have
a
large
caseload
and
there
are
still
many
individuals
in
these
buildings
that
are
still
being
outreached
and
engaged,
so
the
membership
is
larger
than
what
one
staff
can
perform.
So
our
goal
and
we'd
love
to
see
this
providing
more
services
available
to
more
individuals
and
love
to
see
it
grow.
K
But
again
the
challenge
comes
down
to
the
money
and
what's
available,
and
we
also
you
know,
do
have
to
keep
in
mind.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
can
keep
no
staff
retention
and
ensure
that
members
do
have
the
contact,
the
connections,
the
relationships
and
the
support
that
will
keep
them
engaged
and
supported
so
reduction
in
time
with
members,
rejection
and
services.
We
notice
results
in
disengagement,
and
that
would
be
our
primary
primary
concern.
F
A
A
D
D
L
Thank
you
so
much
I,
don't
know
why
my
camera's
not
on
but
I,
am
here
and
I'd
like
to
Echo.
My
my
colleagues
prior
comments
and
just
thank
you
I
know
tonight
was
a
challenging
discussion
and
I
actually
really
debated,
whether
to
say
anything
tonight,
because
I'm,
a
grantee
and
you're
a
grand
tour
and
there's
a
power
dynamic,
but
I'm
a
resident
of
the
city
and
I
felt
compelled
to
to
share
my
thoughts
and
to
be
in
just
relationship
as
I
believe
we
should
all
strive
to
be
I.
L
L
I
heard
the
committee
at
the
top
end
talk
about
how
all
of
us
provide
critical
needs
and
services
and
and
I
don't
know
if
the
intent
was
to
make
that
statement
up
front
so
as
rest
of
the
conversation
could
then
be
centered
on
program
percentage,
percentage
of
requests
of
programs
program
budgets
it.
It
seemed
that
that
sentiment,
got
got
lost
in
some
more
arbitrary
factors
and
that
I
have
to
admit
was
was
disappointing.
L
L
This
committee
has
an
obligation
to
Telegraph,
what's
coming
to
the
Social
Services
sector
and
I
did
not
realize
that
that
this
was
happening
tonight
and
and
I
would
admit
that
you
know
if
I
think
many
of
us
in
the
social
services
sector
knew
that
these
Cuts
were
coming
I,
think
more
advocacy
would
have
been
had
either
one
in
this
committee
or
at
city
council
demanding
additional
additional
allocations
in
the
budgeting
process.
So
I
I
realized
I've,
probably
gone
over
my
time
and
and
I
and
I
hope
that
my
comments
were
respectful.
L
They
were
not
meant
to
be
harmful
or
disrespectful
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
but
I
I
had
to
speak
and
be
transparent.
That
I
felt
that
the
centering
comments
at
the
top
were
lost
to
more
arbitrary
factors
going
forward
in
tonight's
conversation
and
I
also
want
the
committee
to
know
that
I
at
least
I
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
the
whole
Social
Services
sector.
I
was
really
taken
off
guard
by
tonight's
discussion,
not
recognizing
that
Cuts
were
impending
and
that
they
were
going
to
be
a
severe
as
they
were
tonight.
D
N
N
What
I
just
wanted
to
reflect
on
is
that
I
think
that
we
have
been
receiving
this
money
for
quite
a
while,
and
maybe
some
others
in
case
management,
and
our
request
was
the
same.
We
didn't
increase
our
requests,
even
though
it
costs
gone
up,
so
that
was
just
a
factor
to
consider
and
it
feels
like
if
I
misunderstood
it,
but
I
thought
the
cut
was
30,
so
we're
taking
the
full
cut
of
30
percent
where,
whereas
that's
not
the
case
across
the
board,
so
I
just
thought.
N
Maybe
you
had
initially
talked
about
looking
at
what
the
requests
were
last
year
or
what
what
you
had
funded
and
maybe
starting
from
there
so
I
just
thought
that
might
be
a
fair
way
to
look
at
it
as
well.
So
but
again,
I'm
I'm,
learning
about
the
process
and
and
how
you
all
allocate
I
appreciate
your
time.
I
just
want
to
make
those
comments.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
F
A
Cares
act
funding,
and
that
is
that
is
where
the
cuts
are
coming
from
is
we
did
we
knew
we
had
some
funding
that
that
would
not
continue
into
perpetuity,
but
I
do
think.
That
is
a
good
call
out
that
the
reductions,
because
we
did
the
percentages
off
of
the
requests
for
some
because
they
for
everybody,
even
though
there
could
be
some
differences
there.
So
that's
something
I
think
we
should
post
public
comment
potentially
just
discuss.
H
Oh,
yes,
hey
everyone
I'll,
be
brief,
because
I
know
we're
pressed
for
time
and
it's
getting
late,
but
I
just
want
to
go
ahead
and
thank
you
all
I
know
these
are
definitely
some
difficult
decisions
and
I
just
wanted
to
go
ahead
and
put
it
out
there.
We
do
appreciate
the
funding
and,
if
it
increases
a
little
bit,
we'll
definitely
appreciate
that
as
well,
but
I
just
want
to
say
a
valued,
a
relationship
that
we
have
with
thresholds.
H
Our
residents
really
really
love
the
service
that
they
provide
and
the
caregivers
that
thresholds
actually
has.
They
call
her
by
her
first
name.
So
we've
definitely
seen
a
lot
of
improvement.
So
I
know
this
was
a
difficult
night
for
you
all,
but
I
definitely
wanted
to
thank
you
for
the
funding
that
we've
received
thus
far,
because
it
has
made
a
significant
difference
and
we
really
do
appreciate
you
for
that.
So
thank
you
to
the
committee
and
thank
you
for
thresholds
for
partnering
with
us.
A
I
One
is
I,
obviously
misspoke
regarding
seeding
and
Seed
money
versus
seedling
as
in
developing
and
nurturing
on
so
I'm
glad
that
the
attending
cleared
that
up
regarding
connections
to
the
homeless
for
their
youth
program,
I
I
did
understand
they
had
a
youth
program,
unfortunately,
for
all
of
the
programs,
because
we
all
love
these
programs
very
much.
This
is
for
me
not
just
a
Reckless
random
act.
I
This
is
a
painful
Act
of
love
that
I
don't
dismiss
the
work
that
any
of
them
do
because
we
care
so
much
for
this
city
and
the
residents
in
it
as
most
of
us,
are
all
one
so
I.
This
is
not
easy,
though.
I
do
appreciate
the
comments
and
statements
that
organizations
have
made
and
I
understand.
I've
been
on
the
other
side
of
this
table.
I
truly
understand
that
this
is
very
hard,
but
I
hope
that
none
of
them
feel
that
we
make
these
decisions
lightly.
We
just
make
them
calmly.
A
O
A
A
D
We
would
start
with
the
case
management
section,
read
each
one
vote
and
then
move
to
safetynet
read
each
one
and
vote
and
then
Support
Services,
with
the
understanding
that
if,
if
more
funds
became
available
through
cdbg
or
any
other
source
that
would
be
brought
back,
these
would
be
the
initial
allocations.
These
would
be
the
allocations
that
would
would
be
recommended
to
city
council.
O
No,
no
you're
fine!
My
reception
is
a
little
well
over
the
place.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
didn't
cut
anybody
off.
Why
and
this
I
guess
just
suggested.
Why?
Why
do
you
think
we
need
to
do
it
individually?
We
can't
you
don't
think
we
can
move
this
all
at
once
or
what's
the
is
that
a
requirement,
or
is
it
just
there's
a
it's
just
a
better
practice
to
vote
on
each
one
individually.
G
G
A
I
think
I
deserve
more
and
I,
don't
know
if
Sarah's
still
on
and
if
she
is
that
was
sort
of
my
you
know
they
made
a
request
of
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
and
I
did
sort
of
want
to
ask
what
it's
an
existing
program.
I
mean
we're,
not
funding
it
currently,
but
it's
an
existing
program.
What
would
that
20
000
it?
What
does
that
mean.
Q
Hey
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
respond
to
that
Jessica
and
Charles
fry,
so
I
heard
the
spread
up
in
other
contexts
at
connections.
Like
some
other
agencies,
we
had
lost
some
federal
funding
this
past
year.
That
has
helped
support
our
youth
programs
and
so
now
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
fill
that.
Q
Gap
and
part
of
this
feed
help
fill
the
Gap
in
that
youth
program
work
and
maintain
the
level
of
Case
Management
Services
that
we're
providing
to
young
people
in
our
housing
programs
that
18
to
24
18
to
26
year
old
range
and
really
provide
what
we
know
as
the
robust
Services.
They
need
to
successfully
exit
from
those
Housing
Programs
into
long-term,
sustainable
housing.
F
A
I
Yeah
I
was
just
going
to
comment
that
many
of
these
organizations,
due
to
the
the
ending
of
the
federal
funding,
have
lost
significant
amounts
of
funding.
That's
why
we're
in
the
position
or
the
the
the
painful
position
that
we
are
right
now
and
and
I
hope
they
understand
that
we
we
we
understand,
many
of
them
do.
Unfortunately,
this
is
the
path
that
we
have
of
funds.
I
We
again
I
know
I
sound
like
a
broken
record.
We
are
not
trying
to
we're
trying
to
do
what
we
can
to
to
help
nurture
along
a
lot
of
the
losses,
but
we
still
have
a
limited
amount
of
funds,
so
I
I
don't
know
I
I'm
willing
to
bend
to
the
will
of
the
committee,
but
I
beseech
you
that
we
still
have
only
so
many
funds
and
the
funds
that
we
allocate
are
the
funds
that
we
promise.
I
A
G
G
It's
not
proportional,
like
the
the
level
of
hurt
that
people
are
feeling
and
I
mean
obviously
I'm
coming
from
that
perspective,
because
I,
let
everyone
know
what
my
process
was
in
my
own
individual
determinations,
but
I
feel
like
we
ended
up
with
20
000
for
them,
because
we
had
kind
of
latched
on
to
that
notion
of
seed
money,
but
it's
actually
not
that
wasn't
actually
correct.
It's
not
a
new
agency
with
that
could
possibly
benefit
from
starter
money.
G
I,
don't
I
I,
don't
know
how
we
could
reshuffle,
because
I
think
the
other
agencies
are
also
really
deserving.
You
know,
you
know
we
heard
how
it's
not
it's.
You
know
what
we're
offering
here
isn't
going
to
help
some
people,
so
I
don't
have
any
solutions,
but
it
does
feel
a
bit
unfair
to
me.
That
connections
is
left
with
20
when
they
requested
75
and
other
agencies
requested
75
and
got
more.
G
I
mean
that's
not
how
we
did
it,
but
that's
when
I
had
to
offer
my
own
personal
suggestions,
that's
how
I
did
it,
but
that's
not
how
our
committee,
which
is
why
and
I'm
just
saying
to
me.
It
just
feels
more
fair
because
it
hurts
all
over
the
place
and
we're
kind
of
making
a
determination
on
like
who
should
bear
more
of
the
burden
than
others.
But
you
know
it's.
Okay,
I'm
just
saying
it
just
to
me
feels
unfair.
That
connections
I
mean
once
we're
sort
of
corrected.
You
know
with
what
we
were
thinking.
G
I
G
A
No
I
think
you
know
if
you're
uncomfortable
with
their
allocation
I
think.
Unfortunately,
the
only
alternative
is
that
we
find
you
know
we
find
additional
funding.
I,
don't
hope
we
want
to
take
a
look
at
I,
mean
I,
think
it
was
I,
think
it
was
Diana,
I'm
I,
now
I
realize
I
should
have
written
down
names,
but
with
infant
welfare,
Center
or
society
that
also
raised.
A
G
I
mean
honestly,
you
know
when
I
look
at
what
I
propose
to
people
get
I
just
I,
don't
think
we
can
like
reshuffle
it
at
all.
I,
don't
I
like
I,
said
I,
don't
have
an
answer,
because
that's
not
really
like
the
process
that
we
use
and
I
gosh
I
don't
want
to
like
fail
the
agency
either,
but
I
I,
guess
I,
just
I
think
we'd
have
to
reshuffle
everything
in
order
to
give
them
more
I,
don't
know.
If
folks
don't
want
to
do
that,
I
feel
like
it.
G
A
A
You
know,
I,
think
you
know
from
my
standpoint.
Every
one
of
these
organizations
does
amazing
work
and
it's
just
it's
it's
a
hard
hard
task.
I
mean
my
other
thought.
You
know,
as
we
sort
of
yeah
I
think
this
is
sort
of
underpinning
your
connections
for
the
homeless.
Piece
too,
is,
or
potentially
is,
is,
like
you
know
at
some
point,
giving
a
little
amount
to
a
lot
of
individual
groups.
You
know
it
unfortunately
leaves
them
trying
to
find
somewhere
else
to
plug
those
holes
right.
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
as
a
point
of
clarification
Kathy
if
I
can
go
first,
that
the
column
G
the
percent
of
request,
it's
the
percent
of
the
request
of
the
prior
Year
award,
not
the
ask
and
for
new
programs.
The
the
percent
of
request
is
only
for
new
programs
for
everyone
else.
It
was
based
on
prior
Year,
Awards
and
I.
Think
everybody
got
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
we'll
clarify
in
case
there
was
any
thought
it
is
not
based
on
the
2023
requests
for
returning
applicants.
A
A
B
A
Yeah
I
think
that's
a
good,
a
good
thought
and
I'll
just
share
I.
Think
I
feel
I
am
very
happy
to
work
through
again
Amanda
this,
like
I,
you
know
I'm
very
happy
to
reallocate
I
just
also
think
Derek's
not
wrong
in
the
sense
that,
given
the
test
before
us,
I,
don't
think
we're
ever
gonna.
I'm,
never
gonna
feel
really
great
about
where
the
allocations
are.
K
G
Move
on
I,
don't
think
that
what
I've
said
is
necessarily
support
in
the
committee,
not
that
people
don't
think
that
connections
deserves
more
money,
but
just
that
you
know
I.
So
it's
okay!
If
we
move
on
I
just
wanted
to
make
I
just
wanted
to
get
it
on
the
record,
but
that's
how
I
felt
and
it's
okay.
If
people
feel
differently
so.
J
A
A
Housing,
Authority
of
Cook
County,
Care
Management
for
senior
buildings
at
sixty
thousand
impact,
Behavioral
Health
clinical
service
case
management
at
twenty
thousand,
invent
Welfare,
Society,
Case,
Management,
Group,
we'll
just
case
management
for
fifty
two
thousand
and
then
the
James
B
Moran
Center
for
case
management
at
sixty
thousand
for
a
total
allocation
for
case
management
at
295,
000.
200.
A
M
A
B
A
Thank
you.
The
motion
before
us
is
to
fund
the
following
for
safety,
net
Services
books
and
breakfast
for
advancing
racial
Equity
at
42,
400.,
Child,
Care,
Network,
learning,
together
at
56,
000.,
Child,
Care,
Network
mental
health
services
at
forty
thousand
connections
for
the
for
the
homeless
drop
in
an
Outreach
Center.
Seventy
eight
thousand
eight
hundred
infant
Welfare
Society.
A
At
twenty
thousand
Interfaith
action,
cold
weather,
shelter
at
sixty
thousand,
the
James
B
Moran
Center
Legal
Services
at
thirty
seven
thousand
eight
hundred
Meals
on
Wheels
for
home,
delivered
meals
at
twenties,
six
I'm,
sorry,
I'm,
gonna
make
sure
I
get
that
right.
Twenty
five
thousand
North
Shore
Senior
Center
20
000.
peer
Services
substance
use
treatment
at
sixty
nine
thousand
nine
hundred
y
o;
u
safety
net
at
96
000
and
the
YWCA
Evanston
North
Shore
for
domestic
violence
at
twenty
thousand
for
a
total
subtotal
for
safety
net
service
allocation
of
565
900
dollars.
D
B
I
A
Thank
you.
The
motion
before
us
is
to
allocate
122
773
dollars
to
support
services,
and
it
should
be
very
transparent
that
this
is
a
reduction
of
74,
000
and
two
dollars
two
Council
in
order
to
avoid
further
reductions
in
safety
net
funding,
and
that
this
this
could
create
a
further
discussion
in
our
next
fiscal.
Our
next
allocation
with
that
Jessica
will
you
call
the
rule.
Thank.
D
B
D
So
I
don't
have
much
of
a
staff
report
in
February.
My
hope
is
to
review
the
process,
our
allocation
process
with
committee
members
and
and
no
I
hope
to
have
additional
updates
about
the
mental
health
provider
program,
but
but
staff
has
been
in
contact
with
some
of
the
providers
and
with
our
case
management
Partners
to
work
out
what
services
would
look
like
so
more
soon
and
that's
it.
A
All
right
before
we
journey
just
want
to
thank
all
the
committee
members
for
your
thoughtful
discussion.
I
know
that
I
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time.
Reviewing
all
of
these
reports
doing
my
best
to
come
up
with
allocations,
and
it
was
an
imperfect
and
felt
challenging
task,
and
with
that
I
think
somebody
had
the
time
to
click
their
button
for
additional
public
comments.
A
R
Hi
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
have
been
paying
attention
to
this
meeting
and
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
that
you
all
are
doing.
I
know
these
are
really
really
difficult.
Decisions
and
I
just
want
to
honor
the
the
people
who
spoke
from
the
agencies
that
are
looking
at
these
dollars
and
the
cuts
and
trying
to
figure
out
what
to
do
about
it
and
just
say
like
spreadsheets,
are
awesome
and
that
they
do
these
magical.
Math
manipulate
manipulation,
things,
but
we're
and
I
know.
R
You
know
this-
that
these
are
human
beings
and
and
critical
services
that
are
being
delivered
to
our
people
in
Evanston,
and
so
it's
hard
to
know
like
cutting
a
percentage
like
what
that
means.
When
say,
for
example,
an
agency
is
asking
for
the
amount
to
be
able
to
pay
for
a
staff
member,
they
can't
hire
likes
to
have
a
staff
member.
A
Great,
but
thank
you
Ali
I,
I,
think
all
of
us
in
various
ways.
You
know
work
with
these
organizations,
see
Great
Value,
whether
I'm
sure
folks
attend
the
land
meetings
and
there
are
other
ways
we
all
work
with
some
I
work
with
several
of
these
organizations
and
see
Great
Value
in
in
very
different
capacity,
see
Great
Value
in
everything
that
you
guys
are
doing
and
I
guess
I'll.
Just
Echo
I'll
end
from
my
standpoint
with
where
Alan
said
of
you
know.
D
S
Yes,
can
you
hear
me
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you.
We
all
of
us
all
of
the
non-for-profits
and
all
of
you
making
these
very
difficult
decisions
are
trying
to
achieve
the
same
goal
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you,
because
it's
a
very
hard
process,
we're
all
trying
to
reach
the
same
successes
for
others,
and
so
I
just
appreciate
all
the
time
and
thought
that
went
into
it.
Thank
you.