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From YouTube: Social Services Committee - Mar. 10, 2022
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Finalization of applications not funded under case management or safety net services, support services discussion, and FY2021 report updates. Find the agenda, packet and more information on the committee's web page: https://www.cityofevanston.org/government/social-services-committee
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C
F
B
Perfect
and
we
have
a
quorum
present,
we
will
go
to
our
third
agenda
item,
which
we
will
s
jessica.
Did
you
want
to
do
an
announcement
now.
E
Yes,
I
did
thank
you
so
much
committee
members.
I
apologize
somehow
a
draft
of
the
february
10th
minutes
that
picked
up
in
the
packet.
This
was
not
at
all
the
final
version
of
the
minutes,
so
I
apologize
I
would
like-
and
I
realized
it
too
late
to
change
the
packet.
So
I
would
like
to
pull
those
minutes
because
they
are
not
the
finalized
minutes.
They
are
a
draft
version.
E
They
are
very
wrong.
So
if
we
could
please
skip
over
the
meeting
minutes
for
february
10th,
the
committee
could
approve
or
could
discuss
the
meeting
minutes
from
the
special
meeting
on
february
18th.
I
apologize
I'll
have
february
10th
meeting
minutes
for
approval
at
our
next
meeting
and
in
our
next
packet.
G
G
B
E
B
All
right,
wonderful,
we'll
be
keep
moving
along.
We
will
adapt
the
february
10th
meeting
minutes
at
our
next
meeting.
We're
going
to
start
with
our
first
period
of
public
comment
prior
to
further
discussion,
and
we
want
to.
Is
there
anybody
indicating
that
they
would
like
to
make
a
public
comment.
E
E
Thank
you,
okay.
So,
at
the
special
meeting
members
discussed
the
support
services.
Initially,
three
support
services
were
identified
by
agencies,
both
in
sort
of
town
hall
meetings
with
the
agencies
and
then
again
through
the
reports
submitted
in
zoom
grants.
E
B
Cut
diagnostic
services,
could
you
provide
that
feels
like
a
very
broad
overview?
Yeah?
Yes,
specifically
for
diagnostic
services,
what
were
they
looking
for.
E
Sure
so
oftentimes
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
deeper
services
within
an
agency
and
I'll
use
trilogy,
because
I
know
that
representatives
from
trilogy
are
hanging
out
as
attendees
in
the
meeting.
So
if
I
get
anything
wrong,
hopefully
they
can
offer
advice,
but
in
order
to
be
eligible
for
deeper
counseling
or
therapeutic
services,
participants
first
need
a
mental
health
diagnosis.
A
C
F
C
I
heard
certainly
part
of
it
and
I
remember
discussion
about
all
three
being
important
and
oh,
I
see
an
helpful
note,
the
better
way
to
say
it
would
be
assessment
services
rather
than
yeah
and
diagnostic.
So
maybe
we
should
change
that
term,
but.
C
I
don't
think
we
have
a
really
really
good
handle
on
exactly
numbers
for
anyone,
so
it
doesn't
mean
that
there
is
one
that
we
could
prove
is
absolutely
more
highly
needed,
but
we
really
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
pursuing
the
things
that
the
committee
wants
us
to
pursue
and
also
one
possibility
would
be
to,
even
if
we
want
to
do
all
three
to
perhaps
perhaps
sequence
them,
because
jessica
has
been
doing
quite
a
bit
of
looking
into
what
considerations
we
have
in
terms
of
developing
fee
for
services
agreements
and
all
of
you
who
are
practitioners
probably
know
this
way
better
than
we
do
and
we
went.
F
And
I
know
this
is
a
period
where
it's
it's
open
for
feedback,
but
I
just
wanted
to
be
clear:
I'm
I'm
reading
the
the
packet
right
after
the
discussion.
The
the
recommendation
is
that
we
create
a
working
group
to
help
with
these.
The
next
phase.
Okay,.
A
F
B
All
right
and
was
there
thought
process
between
the
fee
for
service
approach
or
the
rfp
approach.
G
I
was
just
gonna
talk
about
that
or
the
you
know
some
of
the
things
that
we
discussed,
but
I
think
the
question
was
around.
You
know:
there's
a
limited
amount
of
money
and
there's
the
three
sort
of
large.
You
know
categories
that
were
indicated
by
the
agencies,
so
we
kind
of
thought.
You
know
we
weren't
sure
how
you
know.
Should
we
focus
on
one
or
two
or
all
three.
G
If
we
did
would
we
want
to
sort
of
start
with
seeing
if
there,
if
any
of
current
agencies
around
town
could
expand
their
capacity,
but
we
also
know
that
that's
part
of
the
problem
is
that
waitlists
are
long
and
that
capacity
you
know
might
be
full
and
that's
why
we
sort
of
talked
about
having
doing
an
rfp
for
it.
We
also
talked
about
having,
and
maybe
a
criteria
in
that
would
be
having
an
agency
that's
willing
to
offer
on-site
services.
G
You
know
maybe
in
the
city
of
evanston,
building
or
somewhere
else,
so
that
transportation
isn't
an
issue
we
also
talked
about
in
terms
of
the
fee
for
service.
You
know
maybe
looking
into
some
telehealth
agencies,
so
that
access
could
also
be
readily
available.
Also
choice
in
terms
of
you
know,
making
a
match
with
providers.
B
Thank
you
so
much
amanda
and
I
think
the
thought
of
I
like
for
on-site.
I,
like
that
concept
and
then
obviously
telehealth
has
that
availability
and
I
think,
we've
really
seen
through
the
past
two
years,
a
real
significant
uptake
in
telehealth
and
satisfaction,
especially
when
and
and
mem
our
patient.
B
Patient
satisfaction
in
that,
especially
for
behavioral
mental
health
and
substance,
use
disorder,
treatment.
B
And
we
do
have
a
comment
about
the
easiest.
B
The
easiest
way
to
do
this
would
be
to
reimburse
medicaid
rates
for
those
in
need
of
services
that
are
unfunded,
and
I
do
think
that's
something
that
we've
also
previously
talked
about
about,
though
you
know
providing
funds
for
those
that
are
services
that
are
unfunded,
not
necessarily
funding
when
there's
other
another
funding
source
like
medicaid
or
something
along
those
lines
we
wanna,
we
have
a
limited
pool
of
resources
here
in
evanston.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
efficient
and
ex
you
know,
expanding
services
in
that
manner.
E
Well,
if
I
may,
would
the
committee
like
to
vote
to
agree
whether
we
want
to
pursue
one
two
or
all
three
of
the
suggested
services.
E
And
maybe
not,
maybe
we
form
the
working
group
first,
the
working
group
considers
a
components
of
either
an
rfp
or
a
fee-for-service
agreement.
E
E
Okay,
so
you
know
some
components
of
the
basic
fee
for
service
agreements
were
included
in
the
packet,
but
as
professionals
in
the
field
know,
mental
health
services
are
are
unique
and
so
other
things
that
the
working
group
could
consider
would
be
like
the
duration
of
the
session.
E
How
long
would
each
session
last,
whether
it
would
the
sessions
could
be
in
person
or
over
the
phone
or
the
telehealth
option,
that
amanda
discussed
and
then
any
additional
services
that
again
would
be
incorporated
into
the
fee
for
service
agreement,
so
preparing
records
or
clinical
review
summary
consultation
with
other
professionals.
These
are
typically
services
that
take
up
a
lot
of
time
and
are
part
of
the
main
service,
but
that
aren't
covered
those.
The
hours
spent
doing
those
more
administrative
tasks.
If
I
can
say
that,
aren't
covered.
E
So
when
we
consider
like
the
the
medicaid
reimbursement,
that's
typically
for
the
therapy
session
or
the
counseling
session,
but
not
for
for
these
additional
services.
So
how
would
we
want
to
factor
that
in
and
then
again
any
what
would
we
do
about
cancelled
or
missed
appointments
or
contact
between
appointments
if
participants
are
contacting
their
their
providers?
E
E
Assessment
services
or
diagnostic
services,
or
if
those
that
would
need
to
be
a
component
of
counseling
or
if
that
would
only
be
a
component
or
if
that
would
only
be
a
component
in
counseling
and
but
not
necessarily
a
component
in
psychiatric
services
or
assessment
services,
and
then
we
would
hope
that
the
fee
for
service
agreement
would
potentially
flush
out
some
of
the
client
rights
and
and
the
client
roles.
E
So
we'd
want
to
look
at
grievance
policies.
For
example,
client
sobriety,
expectations,
confidentialities
goals
of
service,
and
these
lists
are
not
exhaustive,
which
is
why
we
would
appreciate
input
from
from
professionals
in
the
field,
whether
it's
from
committee
members
or
others.
Staff
has
certainly
done
some
some
research
into
this.
But
again
it's
not
exhaustive.
C
I
did
just
want
to
build
a
little
on
what
jessica
is
saying,
so
jessica's
done.
I
think
a
pretty
substantial
amount
of
research
in
this,
but
this
is
why
a
working
group,
we
think
is
so
important,
because
these
are
the
types
of
things
that
we
are
hoping
that
practitioners
can
say.
These
are
the
key
ones
and,
and
one
of
the
things
I
we
did
want
to
point
out
about
perhaps
providing
compensation
compensation
for
things
that
medicaid
doesn't
cover
like
the
paperwork.
That
is
a
pretty
major
part,
at
least
as
we
understand
it,
of
people's
work.
C
You
know
there
are
a
lot
of
practitioners
or
practitioners
are
very
busy,
and
so
I
think
we
have
to
try
to
make
this
appealing,
perhaps
and
and-
and
that
might
be
a
way
of
of
helping
make
it
something
that
people
would
be
more
willing
to
take
on.
Just
I'm
saying,
due
to
the
circumstances
of
we
know,
there's
a
shortage
of
practitioners
and
that
their
time
is
very
valuable.
E
Yeah,
some
other
components
for
a
request
for
proposals
that
are
specific
to
mental
health
could
include
defined,
expected
deliverables,
a
description
of
the
qualifications
we're
looking
for
in
professionals
who
would
answer
the
call
as
it
were,
and
then
perhaps
a
description
of
the
requested
response.
So
how
would
the
applicant
you
know,
provide
the
requested
services?
What
approaches
would
applicants
take
to
work
with
culturally,
socially
and
economic
to
economically
diverse
families?
E
So
so
it's
a
lot.
It's
a
lot
and
steph
is
happy
to
provide
you
know
more
research,
more
support,
but
but
again
for
those
of
you
in
the
field.
Sarah-
and
I
would
love
to
know
if
we're
on
the
right
direction
or
what
what
we're
missing.
D
Yeah,
thank
you.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
I'm
baselining
with
the
rest
of
the
group
here
and
I
understand
what
everyone
else
is
understanding.
So
if
the
fee
for
service
model,
the
services
that
would
be
provided,
there
would
be
a
fee
basis
based
on
what
is
provided
and
there's
different
modalities,
that
that
could
take
place
for
their
phone
or
in
person
or
telehealth.
D
Is
that
something
that
would
be
then
administered
by
the
city
itself?
That's
the
one
thing
I
wasn't
clear
on,
because
when
I
think
of
requests
for
proposal
on
rfps,
I
think
about
an
entity
like
the
city,
putting
out
a
proposal
for
third-party
agencies
to
then
pitch.
I
can
do
these
things
for
x
amount
of
dollars,
so
the
two
sound,
very
distinct.
I
just
didn't
that
didn't
come
across
to
me
in
the
in
the
two
slides
there,
though,
which
is
not
meant
to
be
a
critique
of
it.
E
Derek
yeah,
no,
that's
fair,
so
you're,
absolutely
right.
They
are
two
very
separate
ways
of
going
about
getting
these
services
and-
and
it
would
take
further
explanation
because
for
the
rfp
personally
and
sarah-
I
hope
you
speak
to
this.
I
do,
I
think
it
from
an
administrative
standpoint.
It
would
be
easier,
but
we're
happy
to
to
explore
the
the
fee
for
service
agreement
option.
Also,
if
the
committee
feels
like
that's
going
to
get
us
the
services
we
need
and
our
participants
need.
B
C
We
do
normally
we're
handling
a
a
response
to
an
rfp
like
here's,
the
services
and
who
is
you
know,
that's
a
different
they're
going
to
have
their
own
processes
for
that,
that's
basically
a
different
process
and
much
less
labor
intensive
and-
and
I
think
one
of
our
concerns
is
we
don't
want
to
try
to
do
something
as
a
fee
for
service
that
has
too
much
detail
that
we
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
manage
properly
and
appropriately
and
probably
is
usually
handled
through
electronic
systems
to
track
and
things
that
we
don't
have
so.
B
G
I
think
I'm
yeah
well,
I
can
just
say
quick,
I
think
I
think
the
fee.
If
I'm
remembering
correctly,
we
were
kind
of
thinking
about
the
fee
for
service
around
agencies
that
maybe
we
already
do
work
with.
Maybe
you
know
those
that
applied
for
this,
the
social,
the
safety
net,
so
that
they
are
established.
They
do
have
policies
in
place
things
like
that,
but
the
rfp-
and
I
you
know-
I
don't
know
enough
about
the
differences
myself,
but
it
sounds
like
you
know,
as
you
were
going
over
the
differences
jessica.
G
You
know
the
nice
thing
about.
That
is
that
you
can
have
some
quality
control
and
that
people
have
to
be
able
to
prove
that
they're
licensed
or
that
you
know
they
meet
certain
standards
and
that
sort
of
built
right
in,
but
perhaps
that
could
also
there
could
be
sort
of
a
hybrid.
If
we
end
up
going
with
the
fever
service,
where
people
have
to
prove
certain
things
in
order
to
and.
C
We
we
did
talk
about
also,
and
maybe
this
is
something
where
we
need
to
discuss
with
our
agencies.
Who
already
is
you
can
also
do
we
could
develop
a
fee
for
service
agreement
with
specific
agencies?
As
you
were
saying,
amanda
you're
absolutely
right.
We
talked
about
that
where
it
would
be,
but
we
wouldn't
have
that,
and
I
think
part
of
it
is
depending
on
the
number
of
people,
it's
hard
to
say
what
might
be
best,
and
it
is
one
of
the
challenges
so
we're
kind
of.
C
Trying
to
figure
this
out,
maybe
it
requires.
I
I
honestly
think
that
if
we
could
pick,
perhaps
there
may
also
be
differences
between
what
would
be
the
most
effective
method
for
different
services
like
psychiatric
services
might
be
different
from,
and
so
that
was
why
we
were
thinking
well.
Maybe
if
we
could
start
with
one
and
work
this
out,
because
it's
a
pretty
major
thing,
I
think
it
could
have
real
positive
benefits
to
our
people,
we're
trying
to
help
if
we
can
to
get
this
worked
out.
C
But
it
is
it's
a
pretty
major
undertaking
and
we
don't
want
to
enter
it
and
miss
something
or
end
up
not
doing
an
appropriate
job
and
because
it
is,
this
is
medical.
This
is
people's
health
and-
and
you
know,
and
it's
very
important,
that
we
have
all
the
proper
controls
and
proper
things
in
place
to
make
sure
that
they're.
You
know
that
confidentiality
is
retained,
all
that
all
the
types
of
things
that
are
so
much
part
of
the
of
the
medical
field,
whether
it's
mental
health
or
other
physical
health.
C
C
That
might
be
a
easier
to
manage
first
start,
but
we
also
could,
with
the
psychiatric
assistance
the
medicine.
The
medication
management,
for
example,
might
be
something
northwestern
excuse
me.
North
shore,
university
health
system
has
a
program
that
is
specifically
for
people
without
that
type
of
without
access
to
that
type
of
help.
C
As
I
understand
it,
maybe
jessica,
you
can
see
a
little
more
about
it,
because
something
like
that,
a
first
way
of
trying
to
get
that
service
might
be
more
like
a
sub-recipient
agreement,
at
least
to
start
and
say:
could
we
arrange
with
them
to
have
additional
time
if
we
were
to
fund
it
or
something
of
that
nature?
C
So
we're
really
kind
of
thinking
this
might
have
to
be
a
hybrid
or
different
methods
for
different
types
of
services,
because
I
don't
know
that
we
would
be
able
to
get
a
private
psychiatrist
to
say,
oh
sure,
I'm
going
to
have
a
day
or
whatever
that
you
know
I'll
be
available
for
whatever
you
need.
I
I
don't
know
the
reality
or
the
likelihood
of
that
sort
of
thing
working,
so
there
may
be
different
approaches,
as
I
say,
for
each
one
of
the
needs.
C
That
would
be
more
effective
and
to
a
certain
extent,
if
we
can
figure
something
out
and
get
started,
then
we
can
figure
out
how
to
improve
it.
I
think
is
one
of
the
ways
I'm
looking
at
it.
You
know
we
have
to
start
somewhere.
D
Yeah,
I
think
I
I
just
no.
This
is
helpful.
I
think,
setting
the
context
for
this
was
really
helpful
for
me,
and
it
makes
me
think
with
amanda's
comment
as
well,
where
there's
a
fee
for
service
engagement
with
existing
agencies,
and
I
sort
of
see
three
buckets.
I
see
the
one
book
it
is
be
for
service
evanston,
so
it's
essentially,
we
are
a
startup.
D
We
create
an
agency
within
the
resources
and
capacities
of
the
city
of
evanston,
and
then
the
middle
bucket
is,
is
fever
service
with
existing
agencies
that
we
contract
with
and
partner
with
that,
we
assume
have
the
capacity
and
resources
talent
to
do
what
we
want
to
achieve,
and
then
the
third
bucket
is.
Is
we
want
to
throw
an
rfp
out
there?
That
says:
hey
agencies?
D
Can
you
figure
out
a
way
to
do
something
for
us
based
on
these
outcomes
that
we're
trying
to
achieve,
and
what
does
that
look
like,
so
that
that
helps
me
frame
the
options
and
then
to
sarah
to
your
point,
it
sounds
like
a
hybrid
is
depending
on
what
we're
trying
to
accomplish,
and
I
think
I
think
I
guess
that's
my
my
last
question
really
for
this
part
of
the
discussion
is:
is.
E
Yes,
jessica,
so
you
know
you've
summed
it
up
beautifully
because,
yes,
it
the
process
would,
I
think,
be
different.
E
So
we're
going
to
push
it
back
to
the
committee
to
sort
of
shake
out.
Do
we
want
to
look
at
one
or
two
of
the
options,
or
perhaps
all
three
but
in
a
phased
approach?
And
if
that's
the
case
where,
where
would
the
committee
like
to
start.
B
I'll
start
with
some
initial
thoughts,
and
I
think,
if
I
recall
part
of
why
we
started
with
support
services
focusing
on
mental
health
services,
was
the
need
from
all.
It
was
a
collective
sort
of
high
priority
for
all
of
the
agencies.
B
In
both
buckets
of
it,
mental
health
services
were
needed,
and
so
my
instinct
is
that,
while
assessments
are
critical,
if
we
don't
have
the
actual
counseling
or
like,
if
we
can
assess
somebody,
and
then
we
can't
pass
them
on
to
the
next
piece
or
if
we
already
know
that
somebody's
been
diagnosed
and
they
don't
have
access
to
counseling
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
fill
having
another
assessment
does
not
fill
that
gap.
So
if
we
can
only
do
one,
I
I
would,
or
we
only
or
we
start
with
one.
B
My
instinct
would
be
to
start
with
the
actual
counseling
services,
because
assessing
and
not
having
somewhere
to
send
them
is
kind
of
what
we're
dealing
with
right.
Now,
right
I
mean
that's
the
problem
we're
trying
to
solve.
I.
A
B
But
other
jessica.
E
I'm
sorry,
I
also
wanted
to
bring
it
back
to
our
limited
pot
of
money,
and
so
the
committee
might
want
to
consider
if
we
want
to
set
an
amount
or
and
again
this
is
where,
because
I'm
not
a
practitioner
and
I'm
not
in
the
industry,
I
don't
know
how
far
our
dollars
are
going
to
go.
That's
that's
a
big
challenge.
E
Staff
could
come
back
and
do
more
research
and
maybe
present.
A
D
I
keep
on
forgetting
that
I'm
on
mute,
you'd,
think
two
years
into
this,
that
I
have
that
awareness,
yeah
jessica.
I
think
actually,
that
that
was
gonna.
Be
my
next
question
too,
and
I
think
you
hit
it
on
the
head
is
at
the
risk
of
my
my
too
much
of
my
business
school
side
coming
out
here.
D
It's
it's
there's
a
there's,
an
axis
there's
the
x-axis
or
the
y-axis,
and
that's
the
amount
spent
and
what
you
get
for
the
amount
spent,
and
I
I
just
I
don't
think
this
meeting
will
be
able
to.
You
know
effectively
determine
that,
and
I
think
it
sounds
like
more
and
more
that
we're
talking
about
is
that
there
needs
to
be
working
group
on
this.
G
I
agree
this
more
discussion
in
the
work
group
would
be
great,
but
one
thing
that
I
think
would
be
really
important
for
this
group
is
to
really
define
who
who
is
eligible?
G
Who
are
we
thinking
of
as
the
clients
for
this,
and
I
mean
I
come
from
a
college
mental
health
background
where
we're
all
about
obsession
limits,
because
we
have
to
you
know
kind
of
manage
demand,
but
I
you
know
I
would
be
in
favor
of
considering
something
like
that
like
if,
as
a
way
to
manage
the
money
like
if
everyone
gets
10
sessions,
we
can
say
how
much
that
is.
You
know
in
college
mental
health,
most
people
don't
even
use
10..
G
So
if
people
are
using
like
evidence-based
treatments
depending
on
their
issues,
they
you
know
they
could
get
some
good
help
with
fewer
than
10
sessions.
So
that
might
be
something
for
us
to
consider
if
we're
trying
to
dole
things
out
in
an
equitable
way,.
C
And
perhaps
a
way
to
approach
that
would
be
say
to
to
define
the
number
of
sessions
and
things
like
that,
and
then
because
the
these
are
support.
Services
for
the
people
who
are
in
case
management
is,
of
course,
the
focus
of
the
group,
and
that
would
probably
be
something
because
we
could
out
on
doing
you
know
I.
C
I
honestly
think
that
maybe
this
could
be
our
best
first
thing
to
approach
from
that
standpoint,
and-
and
it
is
something
that
we
do
have
agencies
that
may
very
well
be
able
to
say
this
is
what
we
could.
C
This
is
what
it
would
cost
or
what
we
would
need
to
have
this
many
sections,
and
but
it
could
also
because
in
a
way
it
could
be
a
fee
for
service
which
could
also
allow
individual
practitioners
if
they
were
willing
to.
I
mean
I
keep
remembering
demeta
talking
about
how
they
had
people
who
they
specifically
helped
and
had
lower
fee
schedules
for
because
they
didn't
have
access,
and
so
you
know
there
are.
C
Obviously
there
are
a
lot
of
different
ways:
different
practitioners
approach
providing
assistance
to
others,
but
but
this
could
maybe
be
the
best.
C
You
know,
people's
areas
of
knowledge
might
be
stronger
in
some
areas
than
in
others,
just
based
on
what
they're
you
know
among
our
committee
members
and
also
if
we
would
need
to
pull
in
anybody
from
outside
for
a
working
group.
We
can
do
that
if
we
can,
if
we
need
to
get
expertise
on
some
of
this,
so
maybe
that
would
be
a
consideration
to
start
with.
A
E
Well,
and
just
to
provide
some
some
round
numbers,
the
illinois
fee
schedule
for
individual
counseling,
it's
about
29
per
quarter
hour,
so
without
taking
into
consideration
all
of
the
administrative
functions
that
that
fee
schedule
does
not
address
for
one
person
for
ten
sessions,
we're
looking
at
about
eleven
hundred
dollars.
So
again,
I
it
would
be
great
if
dimita
were
here,
I
have
a
feeling
she
could
provide
even
more
information.
E
But
if
we're
roughly
rounding
up,
you
know
it
could
be
that
we're
looking
at
2000
or
2500
dollars
for
10
sessions
for
one
participant.
If
that
gives
the
committee
an
idea
of
how
far
our
funds
are
going
to
stretch
and
again,
we
know
that
the
the
funds
we
have
are
never
going
to
match
the
demand,
but
just
in
terms
of
capacity
and
and
how
much
how
many
people
we
could
potentially
serve
effectively.
B
E
B
B
I
recognize
from
a
practitioner
standpoint.
That's
it
would
be
great
if
they
did.
I
think
that
does
add
another
layer
of
complexity,
especially
if
we
don't
have
something
to
model
after
and
how
do
you
monitor
that?
Like?
Is
it
15
minutes?
You
know
like
I
just
will
flag
that
it
just
adds
another
layer
of
complexity,
taking
into
account
that
admin
time
that
is
very
real,
but
also
like
you
know
it's.
I
don't
know
what
you
would.
C
I
guess
my
way
of
thinking
of
approaching
that
would
be
to
ask
practitioners
kind
of
what
type
of
time
they
spent
and
then
how
would
one
value
the
time
and
and
saying
there
would
be
a
flat
fee
or
something
in
other
words,
I
don't
think
it
would
be
something
if
we
were
to
do
that,
so
it
might
not
cover
everything
and
it
might
not
be
because
I'm
sure
there's
differences
between
clients
and
it's
not
like
we're
going
to
turn
it
into
legal
billing.
C
You
know
I
mean
that
sort
of
thing
and
but
because
you're
absolutely
right.
How
would
we
do
that?
So
I
would
just
my
thought
if
we
were
to
try
to
do
that,
and
I
don't
know
if
that
would
work
would
be
to
somehow
come
to
a
you
know,
a
realization
I
mean
like
when,
for
example
when,
when
we
are
setting
fees
for
certain
things
here
at
the
city
like
if
there
is
you
know
or
a
question
about
it,
we
we
try
to
figure
out.
C
You
know
if
somebody
is
doing
an
inspection
of
a
property,
for
example.
How
long
does
the
average
unit
take
to
you
know?
We
have
to
try
to
some
of
them
take
much
longer
because
you
know
so,
but
we
come
to
something
that
is
sort
of
the
average
or
whatever
we
expect
or
or
or
what.
We
think
it
might
be.
Something
that
you
know
compensating
for
the
full
is
impossible,
but
at
least
just
something
to
sort
of
sweeten
the
pot
to
make
people
a
little
more
interested
in
and
maybe
is
something
amanda
please.
C
C
B
Got
a
question:
could
the
funding
be
allocated
for
position
in
an
agency
I.e
a
new
therapist
instead
of
a
number
of
sessions,
and
they
had
a
discussion
about
that
in
the
mental
health
task
force
today,
and
I
think
that
potentially
might
be
the
route
an
rfp
might
lead
to
a
solution
like
that?
Potentially
I
mean
the
issue,
of
course,
with
that
there
are
benefits
and
drawbacks
of
any
solution,
and
something
like
this.
B
Really,
it
seems
like
all
are
that
there's
consensus
that
a
working
group
is
needed
for
the
the
nuance
and
the
complexity
of
this
to
further
this
discussion.
Do
we
need
a
motion
to
form
a
working
group.
C
C
But
as
I
say,
we
could
also,
if
it
makes
sense,
ask
out
people
who
are
not
on
the
committee
who
are
providers
if,
if
that
is
a
benefit
to
to
or
or
have
knowledge
of,
this
could
be
part
of
a
working.
We
working
committees
were
never
required
to
be
only
members
of
the
committee
if
we
could
get
advice
and
stuff
from
outside
so
but
we
should
form
it
on
the
basis
of
the
committee.
Obviously
right
councilman.
A
F
Yeah,
that
was
actually
my
comment
that
I
I'd
love
to
see
if,
if
some
of
our
partners
from
the
different
agencies
would
be
interested
in
joining
that
working
group
specifically
because
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
these
services
would
only
be
for
clients
who
are
enrolled
in
case
management
at
one
of
our
at
one
of
the
agencies.
Right
who.
B
F
F
What
you
know
the
need
that
they're
seeing
and
so
yeah,
I
would
love
to
make
sure
we
set
aside
two
or
three
seats
for
them
or,
however
many
we
need,
but
I'd
love
to
get
some
input
from
them
and
and
then
the
last
comment
is
you
know
it's
not
a
lot
of
not
a
lot
of
money,
as
we
know,
and
so
I
think
I
said
this
during
the
last
meeting-
that
I
would
love
to-
I
mean
one.
F
You
know
I
brought
up
that
someone
brought
up
the
telehealth
which
I'm
really
supportive
of,
but
also
the
making
sure
that
we
can
provide
the
services
on
site.
Those
are
the
two
things
that
are
really
supported
and
so
no
matter
what
route
we
take
as
long
as
we
can
expand
services
in
those
areas,
I
would
you
know
personally
support
it,
but
you
know,
I
think
the
other
thing
is
just
trying
to
figure
out.
F
You
know
it's
not
a
lot
of
money.
So
what
are
we
trying
to
learn
from?
This
is
something
that
I've
and
I
can't
participate
in
the
working
group,
I'll
be
looking
for
the
recommendations
that
come
back,
but
I
would
love
for
the
working
group
to
explore
that
question.
You
know
we
only
have
a
limit
of
our
resources,
we're
not
going
to
make
a
huge
impact,
but
we
can
learn
something
from
this
and
that's
all.
Thank
you.
Chair.
A
B
Volunteer,
oh
good,
great.
D
D
Derek
I
I
think
you
know
the
question
should
be
asked
to
the
entire
committee,
because
obviously
right
now
we're
five
of
nine
five
nine
five
of
eight,
I
can
remember
the
exact
number
book,
so
I
think
the
question
should
be
asking
that
we
shouldn't
solidify
the
working
group
right
now.
This
is
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make.
B
Perfect
and
I
I
agree,
and
I
think
what
I
think
to
that
end,
having
another
practitioner
or
to
join
amanda
could
be
helpful
and
I'm
not
one,
and
I
I
do
not
believe
that
derek
you
are
either
that
that's
right.
So
we
will
ask
staff
to
to
ask
the
full
committee
for
volunteers.
E
If
I
could
say
there
are
several
community
partners
who
do
work
with
mental
health
practitioners,
I
believe
connections
does
have
a
social
worker
on
staff
and
cne
certainly
works
with
consultants.
E
B
And
I
actually,
I
think,
just
got
that
and
to
councilman
burns
point
that
we
should
actually
for
the
working
group
invite
representatives
from
all
of
the.
B
The
agencies
that
we're
partnering
with
for
their
unique
perspectives,
their
expertise
and
maybe
they
don't
want
to
join,
but
if
they
do
want
to
join,
invite
them
sure
and
and
then
you
are
correct.
There
is.
C
Get
a
working
committee
formed
and
or
get
these
people
who
are
willing
to
be
on
it
and
I
don't
believe
we
have
to
have
an
official
approval
of
who
is
on
it.
I
don't
think
there's
any
reason
we
would
need
that,
but
we
could
certainly
do
that
if
you
think
it's
necessary
or
otherwise
we
can
just
sort
of
maybe
email
everyone
and
get
to
work.
Hopefully.
E
Can
I
ask
you
for
any
interest
in
selecting
one
category
to
look
into
first
or
do
do
we
want
to
hold
a
formal
vote
to
to
select
all
three
but
move
forward
with
one
first
or
that
would
really
help.
Please.
B
F
A
F
A
D
E
Sure
it
would
be
counseling
services,
psychiatric
services-
and
I
I
said
diagnostic
services,
but
we've
heard
feedback
in
the
meeting
that
maybe
assessment
services
is
a
better
way
of
labeling.
That.
C
And
I'm
just
heard
committee
members
saying
that
focusing
on
the
direct
services
which
to
me
would
be
the
I
mean
I
shouldn't
say
direct
services
but
the
well.
I
guess
maybe
it
is
direct
services
for
the
people
receiving
it
in
terms
of
getting
into
service.
The
counseling
and
psychiatric
services
would
probably
then
take
priority
over
assessment
services.
G
Yeah,
I
think,
if
I
could,
I
think,
counseling
as
a
first
priority,
but
I
know
you
know:
psychiatric
services
oftentimes
goes
hand
in
hand
and
depending
on
what's
going
on,
for
someone
could
make
a
really
significant
difference
for
them,
and
then
thinking
about
the
folks
that
we're
trying
to
work
with
are
not
insured
in
any
way.
So
you
know
it
might
be
difficult
for
them
to
get
in
with
their
a
primary
care
physician,
so
it
might
make
sense
to
do
psychiatric.
G
G
Maybe
if
there
was
one
to
not
do
would
be
the
assessment,
because
there's
probably
a
piece
of
that
just
built
in
anyways,
and
I
don't
know
if
the
idea
was
that
the
diagnostic
assessment
was
more
like
a
significant
assessment
like
a
neuropsychiatry
one
or
you
know,
or
if
it's
just
like
your
intake
and
sort
of
you
know.
You
know
the
general
assessment
that
you
would
do
to
figure
out
treatment.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
a
good
clout
amanda,
I'm
almost
wondering
if
the-
and
it
is
something
the
working
group
can
figure
out,
but
also
sort
of
that
connection
to
perhaps
a
community
provider,
perhaps
an
fqhc
or
something
along
those
lines
that
if
they
can't
you
know
counseling,
but
if
they
need
you
know
if
they
need
somebody
to
prescribe.
Or
you
know
that
there's
that
sort
of
like
connection
to
that,
a
potential
community
partner
that
that
serves
those
without
insurance.
B
E
So
there
were
four
agencies
that
applied,
but
are
not
eligible
under
case
management
or
support
services.
Those
agencies
are
the
job
center
shore,
community
services
trilogy
and
northwest
casa.
E
One
of
the
things
that
participants
of
the
special
meeting
discussed
that
that
I
think
is
important
to
highlight
is
that
all
applicants
or
any
agency
would
be
able
to
apply
through
the
rfp
or
fee
for
service
model
that
that
we're
talking
about,
but
because
we
have
these
applications
open
and
waiting.
E
We
we
would
like
to
and
and
open
in
waiting
for,
2021
funding.
We
would
like
to
give
them
some
more
information.
B
E
Recommendation
that
the
committee
vote
to
formally
decline
these
applicants
and
allow
those
who
are
eligible
to
move
forward
in
whatever
process
come
that
comes
out
of
the
working
group.
C
B
Brown,
I
will
vote
to
decline
these
but
highly
encourage
that
they
look
at
the
support
services
as
that
model
and
moves
forward
after
amanda's
great
work
in
the
working
group.
F
My
apologies
just
to
maybe
be
clear.
My
motion
is
to
to
deny
so
a
yes
vote
is
a
denial
for
everyone.
That's
coming
next.
E
Thank
you
vice
chair
honey,
hi,
amanda,
hey
councilmember,
reed,
aye,
okay
and
council
member
burns.
B
And
we
did
get
a
great
comment
jessica.
I
wanted
to
flag
that
oak
park.
Mental
health
board
has
a
similar
fee
for
service
type
arrangement
and
that
they
might
be
a
resource.
E
Yes,
okay,
so
agencies
were
able
to
submit
outcomes
for
the
2021
year.
Those
reports
are
in
zoom
grants
if
people
wanted
to
take
a
look
at
them,
but
in
addition
to
the
summary
of
information
included
in
the
packet,
I
also
just
wanted
to
share
a
quick
slide
around
this
bear
with
me.
Sorry.
E
Okay,
can
everyone
see
my
screen?
Yes,
we
can
oh
great.
Thank
you
all
right.
The
reason
I'm
sharing
this
information
is
because
one
of
the
main
things
that
we're
doing
differently
this
year
is
trying
to
standardize
the
way
agencies
report
information.
So
I've
included
that
information
for
case
management
and
safetynet.
E
The
reports
should
include
information
about
the
number
of
evanston
residents
served
and
about
the
number
of
new
evanston
residents
that
that
were
seen
in
the
calendar
year
for
case
management.
You
know:
servant's
plans,
service
plans,
created
and
number
of
client
contacts,
referrals
and
additional
support
services,
outcomes
and
challenges
and
then
exits
very
quickly.
Safety
net
services,
in
addition
to
the
evanston
residents,
served
also
provided
information
about
service
hours,
the
types
of
services
and
the
services
provided.
E
Those
types
of
referrals
and
who
those
partners
included
and
staff
was
pretty
confident
about
asking
these
questions
in
the
reports,
because,
through
the
application
process
for
case
management,
agencies
provided
information
around
their
capacity
to
see
more
participants,
their
ability
to
create
service
plans
and
what
that
looked
like
what?
What
was
included
in
service
plans,
how
often
they
were
reviewed,
meeting
frequency
with
participants
and
and
metrics,
and
then
for
safety
net
services.
E
E
So
I
am
happy
to
answer
any
questions
about
the
information
included
in
the
report
outcomes
or
to
take
good
notes.
If
I
can't
answer
questions
and
get
back
to
the
committee
with
more
information,
but
again
committee
members
also
do
have
access
to
these
reports.
If
you
know
you
don't
want
to
take
my
word
for
it,
but
but
I'm
happy
to
address
any
questions.
E
I
also
wanted
to
mention
the
staff
report
that
at
the
last
meeting,
members
wanted
more
information
about
outcomes
for
cares,
act,
funding
and
that
information
is
available
in
our
draft
2021
paper,
which
is
up
for
review
it's
in
its
public
comment
period.
There's
our
15
day
public
comment
period
before
that
report
is
finalized
and
sent
to
city
council
for
approval
and,
ultimately
to
hud.
E
The
caper
is
quite
long
and
a
little
bit
cumbersome,
but
a
good
read
depending
on
what
your
interests
are,
but
just
to
sum
it
up
because
we
know
it's
lengthy
staff
does
include
a
list
of
narrative
bullet
points
at
the
back
of
the
report,
and
I
just
wanted
to
bring
people's
attention
to
the
five
programs
that
were
supported
through
cares,
act
dollars.
E
Those
programs
included
a
rent
assistance
program,
food
food
assistance
program,
the
violence
reduction,
youth
program,
a
child
care
scholarship
program
and
a
shelter
operations
program,
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
you
know.
I
know
I'm
just
going
over
those
titles
very
quickly.
I'm
happy
to
answer
questions
about
any
of
those
five
programs
in
more
detail.
C
Is
it
I
will
add
one
thing
that,
and
that
is
the
federal
government
originally
was
supposed
to
have
its
budget
by
the
18th
of
february,
but
of
course
they
did
not
and
they
extended
it.
The
continuing
resolution
through
the
11th
of
march
and
there
appears
to
be
a
likelihood
that
they
are
actually
going
to
pass
a
budget
by
midnight
on
friday
fingers
crossed
if
they
do.
C
Hud
will
then
have
45
days
to
rejigger
the
formulas
that
they
use
for
distributing
these
funds
and
then
so.
We
would
then
find
out
what
our
cdbg
grant
is
and
be
able
to
figure
out
the
public
services
portion
of
it
in
about
a
month
and
a
half.
C
So
we,
you
know
every
time
we
turn
around.
It's
been
pushed
back
later,
but
we're
hoping
this
will
actually
be
finalized
because
it
will
be
important
for
us
to
we
talk
about.
You
know,
get
a
better
handle
on
our
funding
so
that
we
can
look
at.
We
already
said
that,
because
we
had
the
additional.
C
2020
cdbg
that
we
reallocated
to
cares
act
uses
that
let
us
use
it
for
so
for
services
that
gave
us
that
extra
124
000
in
2021,
so
we
know
we're
going
to
have
it's
likely.
We
will
have
less
to
work
with
in
2022
and
so
looking
at
how
to
continue
our
you
know,
we
did
say
we
don't
have
enough
information
to
do
a
whole
new
rfp.
Are
we
going
to
change
things?
C
At
least
we
talked
about
perhaps
making
if
cdbg
gets
delayed
any
longer,
making
partial
allocations
with
the
local
funds
so
that
we
give
our
agencies
some
surety
that
they're
going
to
be
funded
at
some
level
and
also
so
we
can
help
their
cash
flow
and
those
are
things
that
jessica
and
I
will
be
working
on
for
the
next
meeting.
B
Wonderful,
thank
you
so
much
sarah
for
that
update
and
absolutely
will
want
to
continue
to
discuss
that,
as
you
have
more
information.
B
Wonderful
moving
to
the
next
item,
public
comment.
B
I
we've
received
some
very
helpful
chats
throughout
and
I
do
not
have
currently
anybody
raising
their
hand
to
provide
public
comment
I'll
give
it
one
more.
Second,.