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From YouTube: Social Services Committee - Apr. 14, 2023
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Discussion of case management and safety net services measures and criteria. Find the agenda, packet and more information on the committee's web page: https://www.cityofevanston.org/government/social-services-committee
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Thank
you
and
we'll
pick
up
right
where
we
left
off,
which
was
our
initial
public
comment
period
again.
We
will
have
additional
public
comment
opportunity
later
in
the
meeting,
but
this
is
our
initial
public
comment
offering
just
because
there
are
anyone
from
the
public
indicating
they
would
like
to
make
comment.
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Sorry,
all
right,
so
we've
gone
through
our
agenda
and
public
comment,
I'm,
going
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
our
best
practices
and
assessment
measures.
So
the
case
management
best
practices
were
lifted.
Generously
from
the
National
Association
of
Social
Workers
they've
got
10
standards
for
client
systems
and
case
managers,
and
those
standards
are
summarized
in
this
slide
and
in
the
packet
oops.
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Okay
and
so
in
grants,
our
goal
is
really
to
let
agencies
interested
in
applying
for
Case
Management
Services.
No,
what
what?
How
will
be
measured
so
we
do
provide
a
description
and
zoom
grants.
The
25
questions.
Applicants
are
asked
to
complete
those
questions.
Do
touch
on
these
standards
in
terms
of
enrolling
in
Outreach.
Description
of
the
population
served
case,
management
practices
caseloads
all
of
the
above
the
zoom
grants.
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Application
also
provides
space
for
the
budget,
and
we
hope
that
this
is
sort
of
the
program
budget,
but
we
recognize
that
in
some
cases
for
some
smaller
agencies,
they're
total
agency
budget
really
is
their
program
budget.
But
agencies
have
the
option
to
distinguish,
or
let
us
know
or
provide
narrative
excuse
me
around
the
budgets
that
they're
submitting
and
then
we
do
ask
for
additional
documentation,
including
intake
and
enrollment
forms.
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Yes,
so
what
staff
has
tried
to
do
in
this
sort
of
template
summary
form
is
this
form
would
be
used
for
applications
as
well
as
reports,
and
this
is
a
condensed
version
of
with
some
slight
modifications
of
hopefully,
what
the
committee
is
is
used
to
seeing
when
we've
summarized
applications
and
reports
in
the
past
and
these
this
template
for
case
management
is
open
to
suggestion
and
any
additions
or
changes.
But
we
do
try
to
cover
all
sort
of
the
major
topics,
including
the
award
prior
Year
award
and
current
request.
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We
also
want
to
keep
an
eye
on
agency
budgets.
Agencies
do
let
us
know
how
they're
applying
funds,
but
if
they
were
to
like
lose
a
major
brand
or
need
to
shift
funds
around
we'd
want
to
have
a
document
of
that
as
agencies
submit
quarterly
reports
or
excuse
me,
they
submit
reports
now
two
times
a
year,
and
then
we
do
talk
about.
You
know
any
findings
on
audits.
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If
those
come
up
and
and
as
agencies
report
staff
looks
at
the
financial
information
agencies
provide
to
show
how
funds
are
are
applied,
so
this
could
be
staff,
timesheets
and
paychecks
time
and
activity
tracker
for
staff
who
work
with
Evanston
and
non-evenston
residents,
mileage
and
expense
reports
supplies.
If,
if
that's
needed,
we
do
not
pay
for
overhead.
Basically.
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I
apologize
so
what
we've
tried
to
do
to
to
make
this
a
lot
of
information
is
sort
of
more
streamlined
and
comparable
and
more
palatable
that
the
committee
and
for
the
public
is
Define.
Some
key
performance
indicators
and
group.
The
zoom
grants
scoring
questions
that
that
members
have
filled
out
in
the
past
or
or
that
numbers
have
used
in
the
past
under
these
key
performance
indicators
for
Case
Management
Services,
and
we
can
talk
about
those
in
more
detail.
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Although
we
recognize
that
safety
net
services
are
a
little
bit
less
defined,
so
with
case
management,
we
have
our
standards
and-
and
we
have
some
key
things-
that
we
we
look
for
with
safety
net
Services
we're
really
assessing
how
quickly
those
services
are
provided
to
Residents
how
they're
able
to
prevent
residents
from
falling
into
crisis
or
falling
into
greater
crisis
or
how
those
casement
or
those
safety
net.
Services
excuse
me
address
a
hardship.
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When
this
was
brought
before
the
rules
committee
at
city
council,
we
added
another
layer
that
safety
net
would
also
help
support
recovery
from
the
pandemic.
We
know
that
our
bypoc
residents
and
people
who
are
like
limited
English
proficiency
speakers
or
recent
immigrants
and
a
lot
of
the
target
populations
who
are
historically
marginalized,
are
also
most
negatively
impacted
by
covid.
So
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
in
these
populations.
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We're
looking
at
some
similarities
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
funds
requested
and
the
population
served,
but
our
differences
are,
of
course,
the
number
of
service
hours
or
the
number
of
services
provided,
and
we
don't
measure
agencies
based
on
this.
But
we
do
hope
to
understand-
or
we
do
ask
agencies
to.
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Let
us
know
in
reports
if
there
are
services
that
participants
need
to
further
achieve
self-sufficiency,
or
if
there
are
other
services
that
the
safety
net
service
provider
connects
participants
to
whether
they're
external
services
or
Services
outside
of
the
agency
or
whether
they're
services
that
are
offered
we.
We
think
that
we
call
them
deeper
Services
as
an
example:
North
Shore,
Senior
Center
accepts
phone
calls
from
Seniors
and
they
do
a
lot
of
benefits
enrollment
and
that
is
sort
of
their
main
safety
net
service.
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But
we
also
know
that
within
North
Shore
Senior
Center
they're
able
to
provide
housekeeping
services
once
a
month.
They
connect
people
to
Meals
on
Wheels
or
different
meal
programs,
they're
able
to
connect
people
to
caregiver
support
groups
or
support
groups
for
seniors
to
combat
depression
and
basically
like
a
whole
host
of
deeper
services,
but
really
the
initial
safety
net
service
that
City
funds
support
would
be
the
benefits
enrollment
Specialists,
who
spends
time
either
at
the
Civic
Center
for
covid
or
at
the
Levy
Center
or
out
in
the
Community
Focus,
specifically
on
Evanston
residence.
D
So
that's
just
an
example
of
a
deeper
service
that
an
agency
could
provide.
But
if
you
know
sometimes
people
just
need
food.
Sometimes
they
just
need
the
basic
service
that
they're
calling
for,
which
is
why
we
don't
want
to
necessarily
penalize
agencies
or
if
agencies
provide
deeper
Services.
That's
great
and
we'd
love
to
know
about
it,
but
if
they
don't
and
they're
providing
the
service
that
that
they
agreed
to
provide
in
the
application.
That
is
also
good
with
us.
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Hi
Jessica
I'm,
Eric
I
have
a
question
for
you
on
this,
so
I
noticed
we
are,
as
part
of
the
narrative
section,
we're
inviting
agencies
to
provide
information
on
demographics
population
served.
Is
there
a
reason
why
we
wouldn't
mandate
it
is
there
some?
Is
there
a
potential
concern
that
they
might
not
be
able
to
collect
that
information
regularly
or
might
not?
Have
it
I?
Guess
someone
thinking
behind
that.
D
You
know
I
appreciate
that
question,
because
agencies
are
required
both
for
safety
net
and
case
management
to
report
demographic
and
household
information.
I
did
not
mean
in
the
wording
to
imply
that
that
was
optional
yeah.
If
there's
a
better
way
to
capture
that
information
in
a
chart
form
or
in
a
different
section.
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Right
perfect,
thank
you.
My
thought
is
on
the
narrative
also
and
then
on
a
few
other
things
that
I
think
I'm
hoping
to
save
till
the
end.
But
should
we
tell
or
suggest
to
applicants
roughly
a
paragraph
or
two
paragraphs,
or
you
know
sometimes
like?
Should
we
give
them
a
Target
on
some
of
that,
because
I
I
could
see
organization
some
organizations
doing
three
paragraphs
since
I'm
doing
three
pages,
and
that
is
is
quite
the
difference.
D
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Sorry
so
each
application
process,
each
application
question,
is
structured
and
there
are
character,
limits
or
format
limits
to
the
application
questions.
And
then
the
reports
are
also
very
structured.
When
agencies
are
reporting,
the
participants
served
service
plans,
demographic
information,
household
information,
special
needs,
race,
ethnicity,
I,
said
demographic
and
age.
Those.
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Have
both
of
those
pieces
of
information
together
for
a
Committee
Member
to
get
the
basics
of
what
the
applicant
is
provided
and
how
they've
performed
in
the
past
year,
all
together,
I
think
the
narrative
spot
is
especially
good
for
staff
to
be
able
to
provide
any
specifics
or
characteristic
that's
very
applicant,
based
anything
that
is
slightly
different,
and
it's
really
like.
We
don't
have
a
way
to
standardize
it,
because
it's
not
there's
no
spot
because
it's
it
might
be
slightly
different.
G
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A
Thank
you,
I
might
have
a
a
few
questions,
just
sort
of
pulling
back
from
this
process
and
the
questions
and
so
forth.
I'm
I'm
wondering
is,
is
much
of
this
unique
to
to
our
I'm
going
to
call
it
our
grant.
Making
our
out
allocation
process
or
is
this
or
you
know
is
this?
Is
the
information
the
the
responses
to
the
questions
that
we
ask?
Is
it
the
same
information
that
applicants
can
apply?
Can
you
know
do
submit
to
other
funders
or
to
agencies?
A
D
So
that's
a
great
question.
Actually,
some
of
the
information
is
not
unique,
although
it
is
specific,
there
is
information.
Obviously
that's
specific
to
Evanston
I
have
not
I
have
heard
from
some
agencies
that
that
they
report
very
similar
information
to
a
lot
of
their
funders
and
donors
and
that
it
would
be
helpful.
I
had
a
conversation
with
books
and
breakfast.
Actually
it
would
be
helpful
to.
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E
A
A
more
so
a
follow-up
thought
on
that
is
that
so
I
I
don't
have
the
the
applications
in
front
of
me
where
I
was
able
to
go
through
them,
but
if
I
recall
a
number
of
the
agencies,
a
good
number
of
them
have
large
budgets
that
and
they
they
receive
I,
think
their
contracts
or
their.
You
know
from
government
sources
right,
whether
they
be
state
or
federal
programs,
around
housing
or
mental
health,
mental
health
care
or
something,
and
so
I'm
just
wondering
what
is
it
that
it
is?
A
A
A
Think,
there's
only
a
few,
for
instance
of
our
of
our
of
the
grants
we
made
that
that
we
were
like
the
prime
or
the
only
you
know
the
major,
if
not
the
only
source
of
money,
resources
for
that
agency
or
for
that
program,
but
for
most
of
the
agencies,
if
I
recall
they
they
have
multiple
sources
of
money
and
I
would
assume
they
are.
They
are
and
which
is
the
name
of
fundraising.
A
I've
been
on
both
sides
of
this
of
this
table
for
50
years
so
I
know
I,
know
the
pain
on
both
sides
just
to
throw
that
in
there,
but
it
I,
don't
know
it's
it's
it's
like.
What's
the
common
story,
then
that
that
is
that
and
the
common
need,
therefore,
that
we
are
allocating,
you
know
75
50
000,
maybe
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
toward
the
work
of
that
patients
in
so
that's
kind
of
what
I'm
I'm
wondering
is:
where
is
there
so
I
like
I,
wonder?
A
Does
the
Community
Foundation
they
Everson,
Community
Foundation,
receive
applications
from
the
same
I
would
suspect
that
a
number
of
our
the
agencies
and
organizations
that
we
fund
also
receive
or
approach
them.
Like
is
there
some
coordination?
I
don't
but
I
want
to
stay
away
from.
Is
the
coordination
among
funders
that
I
well
know
of
where
a
funder
can
deep
six,
an
organization
by
a
negative
word
or
by
a
negative
assessment?
On
the
other
hand,
I
I
know
of
how
funders
talk
to
each
other
and
help
bolster
the
case
of
organization.
A
I
just
want
to
want
to
make
sure
there's
not
that
kind
of
collusion
that
that
that
that
I
as
a
ground
Seeker
faced
a
lot.
So
that's
one
set
of
I'm,
just
you
know
kind
of
noodling
around
on
that
the
other
the
other
thought
I
had.
Is
that
do
the
I
I
noticed
in
the
in
the
notes?
You
know
that.
Well,
first
of
all,
you
start
out
with
the
NS
nasw
sort
of
guidelines
or
the
I'm
going
to
call
them
assessment
of
of
what's
the
right
work,
you
know.
A
What's
the
nature
of
the
work
for
these
agencies
and
and
a
reference
to
whether
or
not
agencies
are
eligible
for
CBG
or
fall
within
that
I?
Don't
know
that
I,
don't
know
the
right
word
here
that
that
assessment
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
doesn't,
if
that's
just
not
a
very
good
starting
point
for
us
and
and
we
don't
need
to
put
people
through.
A
D
D
D
For
this
committee
we
could
staff
could
work
with
agencies
moving
forward
to
assess
if
we
could
reach
a
common,
a
more
common
application
that
would
capture
the
information
that
the
social
services
committee
would
like,
but
also
not
be
as
onerous
and
and
I
take
full
blame
for.
For
the
many
many
many
application
questions,
I
love
every
single
one
of
them,
but
but
it
is
tedious,
I
think
without
having
that
common
application
form.
D
The
way
staff
has
tried
to
address
that
burden
on
agencies
is
by
moving
away
from
yearly
application
cycles
and
moving
more
toward
two-year,
or
maybe
three
or
five
year,
application
cycles
and
that's
aspirational
and
something
that
I
hope
to
that.
The
committee
would
have
the
appetite
to
consider
in
future
meetings,
because
those
best
practices
are
out
there
and.
E
E
D
I,
don't
have
any
definitive
answers
right
now,
other
than
to
say
yes,
the
agencies
appreciate
your
perspective
and,
where
you're
coming
from
there,
there
has
been
talk
of
of
a
universal
application,
but
it
would
take
a
lot.
It
would
take
many
more
conversations
because
I've
only
heard
about
this
from.
E
A
Don't
really
like
to
use
this
term
but
vulnerable
communities
and
vulnerable
people,
and
they-
and
you
know
it's
it's
the
same
people
they're
talking
about
or
that
they're
seeking
to
serve
by
going
to
by
needing
to
go
to
multiple
sources
of
funds
right,
including
individual,
doing
and
so
forth
and
like
how
can
we?
How
can
we
help
tell
that
story?
A
So
they
only
have
to
say
it
once
or
or
have
a
you
know,
one
presentation
sort
of
that
we
that
we
as
one
of
the
funders
that
the
city
is
one
of
the
funders,
responds
to
that's
the
kind
of
where
I'm
coming
from
yeah
I
have
one
other
thought.
That's
maybe
more
again
it's
pulling
back
is
it
would
be
so
great
to
have
to
have
an
old
for
us
to
have
an
overall
sense
of
the
needs
of
this
community
right
of
Evanston?
And
you
know
we
have.
A
A
You
know
everything
from
Meals
on
Wheels
to
programs
after
school
programs
for
students
so
and
I
know
that
that's
asking
for
more
data
and
so
forth,
but
I
think
it
would
it'd
be
great
to
allocate
ten
thousand
dollars
to
some
researcher
to
put
together
a
you
know,
the
the
the
the
the
story,
the
picture
of
of
where,
where
our
most
vulnerable
people
in
this
community
yeah
anyway,
that's
my
I.
Don't
want
to
do
any
of
this
with
a
thought
of
giving
more
work
to
the
staff
I'm.
B
D
Yes,
actually
so
we
we
do
that
every
four
four
years
for
our
HUD
grants
we
put
out
the
community
needs
assessment
plan
and
we
survey
the
community.
We
went
through
this
process
in
2019
for
our
2020-2024
Consolidated
plan,
and
not
only
did
we
look
at
the
I
still
have
them
laying
on
my
desk.
Not
only
do
we
look
at
the
community
needs
assessment
of
the
hospitals,
but
we
also
partnered
with
District
65
and
202
yep.
D
D
D
An
effort
that
the
city
takes
on
regularly,
which
is
great,
and
we
also
don't
just
do
it
every
four
years.
We
do
have
questions
in
Zoom
grants
that
we
ask
agencies
to
complete
around
most
common
referrals
and
what
referrals
are
most
challenging.
We
ask
those
questions
in
the
applications,
but
we
also
ask
them
in
reports
so
for
the
case
management
reports.
D
It
would
be
great
to
know
how
agencies
are
working
together,
but
we
do
know
that
they
are
working
together.
They've
got
memorandums
of
understanding,
they
do
talk
about
agencies
that
they're
partnering
with
and
referring
to
so
a
lot
of
that
information
is
out
there,
but
we
could.
We
could
always
do
more.
We
could
always
do
more.
B
F
D
She
presented
to
the
Social
Services
committee
about
those
results
and
the
mental
health
task
force
does
have
a
gaps
in
assets
analysis
and
we
would
like
to
invite
them
back
and
and
hear
what
they
know
about
gaps
and
services
or
services
that
people
are
challenged
to
connect
with
that's
part
of
what
I
think
helped
the
committee
decide
to
apply
Support
Services
to
mental
health
funds.
So
just
thank
you
for
letting
me
add
that,
but
going
back
to
our
safety
net
summary
or
the
application
and
Report
summary.
B
D
C
C
C
You
know
thinking
about
college
application
essays
and
whether
it's
just
sort
of
broad
general
questions
to
the
applicant
of
like
what
do
you
think
the
state
of
needs
are
in
the
City
of
Evanston
today
and
why?
Maybe
just
starting
to
glean
some
of
those
responses
and
understand
some
Trends
and
analyzes
there
from
from
agency
responses,
could
be
worthwhile
doing.
It
could
be
a
low-cost
way
to
achieve
that.
D
One
of
the
benefits
I
think
to
come
out
of
covid
was
more
virtual
meetings,
more
roundtables
and
more
discussion
from
City
staff
with
agencies
with
Community,
Partners
and
I.
That
is
definitely
something
that
I
think
we
look
forward
to
carrying
over
as
we
go,
and-
and
this
is
why
this
conversation
is
so
great
and
so
needed,
because
I
do
think
that
there's
a
way
to
incorporate
that
information
or
incorporate
the
asking
of
that
information
in
our
applications
and
in
reports,
and
so
I
would
love
that
feedback
from
the
committee.
D
D
The
way
we
get
to
those
indicators
is
through
the
questions
in
Zoom
grants,
and
so
in
the
Public
Services
evaluation
for
safetynet.
You
see
the
zoom
Brands
questions,
and
now
these
are
the
zoom
grants
score
questions,
not
the
application
questions,
but
the
next
level
I
think
of
analysis
is
to
list
the
questions
that
provide
this
information.
Those
questions
are,
as
we
look
at
the
zoom
Grant
score
questions.
Each
score
question
indicates
the
application
question
that
corresponds
to
it.
So
the
hope
is
that
all
of
this
information
is
is
connected
and
accessible.
D
D
D
D
B
B
I
also
think
from
an
application
perspective.
I
don't
have
so
much,
at
least
at
the
moment,
thoughts
on
like
the
questions
or
standardizing
them
and
sort
of
adding
more.
You
know
simplifying
that
process.
I
think
that
makes
perfect
sense.
What
I
also
think
would
be
helpful.
I
hope
from
an
applicant
perspective,
is
sort
of
indicating
what
we
are
assessing
or
what
are
expectations
are
like
I
do
know.
B
We
told
agencies
in
the
budget
component
of
the
application
that
it
should
be
the
program
budget,
and
there
was
confusion
last
time,
because
agencies
maybe
didn't
submit
their
program
budget
and
submitted
their
whole
budget,
and
so
the
funding
of
the
grant
looked
like
it
was
two
percent
of
the
program
versus
thirty
percent
of
the
program
and
perhaps
have
this
committee
took.
That
was
maybe
different
than
how
it
was
in
the
past,
where
we
thought.
B
Although
I
wasn't
in
the
previous
committees,
that's
really
different
than
how
the
last
committees
sort
of
took
that
approach,
and
so
I
think
for
areas
where
we
know
what
our
I'm
going
to
just
call
it
our
scoring
metric,
but
not
necessarily
like
that,
but
just
sort
of
our
priorities
or
we
are
going
to
be
comparing
you
I'm
just
going
to
use
the
nasw
best
practices.
We
all
that
that
is
our
expectation
and
that's
what
we're
going
to
be.
Comparing
you
against
I
think
it's.
B
It
would
be
helpful
both
for
committee
members,
but
then
also
for
applicants.
For
us
to
be
really
transparent.
Of
this
is
what
we've
asked
for,
and
this
is
you
know
how
you
know
what
what
we
believe
is
a
successful
model
or
best
practices
and
in
some
ways,
I
think
the
application
questions
made.
That
really
clear,
like
you
know,
I
I,
remember
seeing
stuff
around.
You
know,
focus
on.
B
You
know
on
I
apologize.
My
brain
is
not
clearly
there
today,
but
anyhow
I
know:
we've
done
that
to
some
extent
in
past
applications
like
for
I
think
it
was
four
Support
Services
where
we
talked
about.
You
know
proximated
public
transportation
and
some
of
those
other
things
like
these
are
the
priorities
of
the
committee
I,
think
where
we
can
make
that
and
document
it,
either
within
the
application
or
very
close
to
the
application.
D
Yeah
I
have
to
say,
I,
couldn't
agree
more
and
with
case
management
applications
with
Case
Management
Services.
As
you
pointed
out,
it
is
a
little
bit
easier
because
there
is
more
standardization,
but
safety
net
Services
yeah
really
benefit
from
more
definition
and
more
transparency,
and
it
to
your
point,
even
in
case
management.
We
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
disconnect
in
the
city's
message
to
applicants
in
terms
of
capacity
so
in
applications.
D
There
is
this
section
where
we
ask
about
the
number
of
unduplicated
people
served
in
the
prior
year
and
then
the
number
of
unduplicated
people
served
in
the
anticipated
to
be
served
in
the
OR
projected
to
be
served
in
the
upcoming
year
and
and
I
say
that,
like
it's
just
two
questions,
but
it's
really
not.
We
asked
for
like
low
mod
and
how
many
of
them
are
Evanston
residents
and
how
many
is
the
total
population
and
what
and
agencies
I
think
feel
the
need
to
point
out
like
well,
if
we're
serving.
D
D
But
that
is
challenging
for
the
agencies
and
we're
asking
the
the
city
is
asking
the
question
in
a
way
that
is
a
little
bit,
not
accurate.
What
we
mean
just
to
ask
is
we
know
people
are
going
to
cycle
out
of
Case
Management
Services
and
we're
just
wondering
if
they're
cycling
out
at
a
rate
of
like
yearly
or
two
years.
So
if
10
people
exit
the
program
are,
is
the
program
roughly
able
to
serve?
D
You
know
10
10,
more
Evanston
residents,
or
do
we
find
that
you
know
the
agency
has
the
capacity
to
serve
more,
but
maybe
you
know
they're
seeing
an
influx
of
people
from
Skokie
or
other
communities,
which
is
absolutely
fine,
we're
just
trying
to
understand
what
the
capacity
looks
like
and
we
have
not
done
a
good
job
of
defining
it.
That
question
to
agencies
applying,
but
we're
I'm
open
to
the
suggestion
and
we're
working
on
it
and,
if
that's
just
one
example,
Cheryl's
bride.
D
D
E
F
F
So
the
the
first
thing
I
wanted
to
talk
about
was
I.
Think
may
speak
a
little
bit
to
a
point.
Kim
made
earlier
I'm
trying
to
quickly
find
it
in
my
email
because
I
wanted
to
forward
it
to
the
chair
and
also
the
Jessica,
but
I
think
having
a
snapshot
either
of
on
individual
agencies,
which
may
be
kind
of
time
consuming
and
difficult
to
achieve.
But
at
the
very
least,
maybe
combining
information
from
all
the
agencies
would
be
helpful.
F
Cheryl
will
try
and
Jessica
sent
you
one
from
that
we
received
from
from
trilogy
who
provides
kind
of
on-demand
first
response
to
Alternative
crisis
and
in
Evanston,
but
also
in
surrounding
communities
and
including
Chicago,
I
think
Skokie
and
in
the
snapshot
they
talk
about
calls
received.
They
talked
about
unduplicated
clients
served
how
many
initial
crisis
mobilizations,
how
many
follow-up
appointments
they
break
down.
F
Kind
of
the
reason
for
the
call
which
I
think
for
what
we're
talking
about
could
apply
to
not
only
why
people
kind
of
initially
sought
services,
but
also
where
are
we
referring?
You
know
where
our
agencies
referring
people
out
to
other
third-party
agencies,
or
you
know
what
categories
are
we
finding
most
people
that
leads
to
most
people
on
waiting
lists?
There's
a
number
of
you
know
or
different
services
that
are
being
requested
that
aren't
offered
so
there's
a
bunch
of
different
ways.
F
So
that
was
the
thought
that
came
from
something
Ken
said:
I
haven't
fully
thought
it
out,
but
you
know
I
could
bring
it
up
between
meetings.
I'll
have
other
thoughts
about
it,
but
I
just
wanted
to
pass
that
along
as
a
reference
and
and
then,
if
you
can
share
that
to
the
rest
of
the
members
as
well,
for
whatever
reason
everybody
then
pop
up
in
my
email,
I
think.
F
F
I
think
my
my
my
primary
questions
comes
from.
It
seems
like
we're
collecting
a
lot
of
information
from
agencies,
but
I'm
not
seeing
where
I
it's
I'm,
not
clear
right
now
on
how
we're,
how
we're
tracking
the
quality
of
of
what
people
are
providing
and,
along
with
that,
if
we're
basing
future
funding
decisions
on
the
quality
of
what
people
are
submitting.
Whether
that's
you
know
I
talked
about
this.
F
In
the
last
the
last
meeting
like
service
plans,
it
seems
like
we're,
checking
the
Box
saying:
okay,
they
they
submitted
a
service
plan,
but
are
there
some
key
features
in
a
service
plan
that
we,
as
a
city
say?
Every
service
plan
should
have
this
right
and
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
about
it
with
case
management
that
always
Pops
in
my
head
is
I.
Think
a
really
important
key
feature
in
every
service
plan
for
case
management
in
particular,
might
be
like
Network.
Like
are
you
you
came
in.
F
Maybe
you
didn't
have
the
strongest
network,
but
one
of
the
things
you
want
to
make
sure
that
somebody
has
kind
of
a
network
and
a
support
system.
You
know
within
a
certain
amount
of
time
and
that's
something-
that's
really
important-
that
we
want
people
to
achieve,
but
the
I'm
trying
to
get
a
better
sense
of
if
we're
holding
people
accountable
to
a
certain
quality
of
services,
provided
that
we
don't
have
to
come
up
with
ourselves,
I'm
sure,
there's
some.
You
know
organization
that
can
help
us
understand
what
that
looks
like
in
different
areas.
F
Whether
it's
the
ratio
of
kind
of
case
managers
to
caseload
or
whatever
it
is
but
trying
to
get
more
into
the
quality
of
services
being
provided
and
I,
think
the
other
thing
is:
it's
not
clear
to
me
what
we
require
for
an
agency
to
be
eligible
for
funding
other
than
maybe
you
need
to
reach
a
certain
score
which
that's
not
even
that's,
not
clear
either.
So
that's
another
question.
It's
just
in
order
for
somebody
to
get
funded.
Do
they
need
to
reach
a
certain
score,
but
outside
of
that
it
seems
like
we.
B
I
really
like
that
and
I
just
couldn't
agree
more
council
member
that,
as
our
grantees
have
been,
and
especially
as
we
start
to
look
in.
If
we
look
to
longer
term
grants,
outcomes
are
really
critical
and
it's
one
thing
to
put
together
a
really
good,
Grant
application
that
it
scores
well
and
it's
another
to
put
together
a
really
good
program
that
drives
the
outcomes
that
we're
hoping
for,
and
so
how
do
we
make
sure
we're
both
monitoring
and
then
actually
capturing
that
and
then,
in
a
way?
B
B
B
D
Thanks
so
much
so
this
is
really
exciting.
Council
member
Burns
I
appreciate
all
of
your
comments
and
taking
notes
and
I
look
forward
to
Future
discussions,
but
you
were
leading
me
right
into
sort
of
the
next
section
of
my
presentation,
which
is
options
for
the
committee
to
assess
the
good
work
that
agencies
are
doing.
D
I've
mentioned
the
zoom
grants
tool,
the
zoom
Grant
score
tool
and
those
questions
are
provided
in
the
application.
We
also
have
included
in
the
packet
I'm.
Sorry
I
said
the
zoom
grants
score.
Questions
were
provided
in
the
application.
What
I
meant
to
say
was
the
zoom
grants
score
questions
that
members
Can
committee
members
fill
out
to
assess
applicants.
D
Those
questions
are
listed
in
the
packet
under
attachment
a
so
just
to
clarify.
You
have
the
questions
that
agencies
fill
out
and
then
you've
got
the
questions
that
committee
members
excuse
me
have
filled
out
in
the
past
to
assess
the
work
that
agencies
have
done,
and
then
we
also
I
I'm,
just
gonna,
let's
see
in
the
Public
Services
attachment
the
zoom
grants
sort
of
score.
Questions
are
listed
under
those
key
performance
indicators,
so
council,
member
Birds,
to
your
point
specifically.
D
So
I
mentioned
the
zoom
grants
score
tool.
We've
got
those
Public
Services
evaluation
sheets,
those
are
structured
similarly
to
the
arpa
score
sheets.
So
in
one
column
they
list
the
key
performance
indicator
for
each
in
the
next
column.
They
it
indicates,
or
it
lists
the
questions
and
criteria
that
used
to
to
assess
agencies,
and
then
we
can
also
include
sort
of
descriptions.
Should
the
committee
want
to
move
forward
with
with
this
are.
G
Could,
okay,
so
I
think
it's
it's
helpful
to
be
able
to
visually
link
like
what
you've
done
with
that
sheet?
Is
it's
helpful
to
be
able
to
visually
link
all
the
different
pieces
that
we've
been
you've
been
talking
about,
because
that
tool
is
talking
is
categorizing
the
scoring
question
that
we're
existing
under
those
kpis,
so
that
committee
members
can
really
understand
how
those
existing
questions
we're
organized
and
what
they
were
addressing,
which
I
think
was
one
of
the
question
that
came
up?
G
D
D
So
what
what
Marion
mentioned
and
what
we
are
looking
at
now,
like
I,
said
it
is
included
in
the
packet
for
meeting
attendees.
Should
you
also
want
to
review
this
information
that
this
one
is
for
the
Case
Management
Services,
so
under
our
key
performance
indicator,
for
example,
we're
looking
at
services
to
Target
populations
and
we
have
the
option
to
assess
those
Services
based
on
the
zoom
grants,
score
feature,
questions
which
include
you
know,
enrollment
process,
which
does
draw
from
a
wide
referral.
Network
that
reaches
reaches
people.
D
How
City
funds
would
expand
capacity
to
serve
new
Evanston
residents
program,
Services
targeted
the
demographic
we're
looking
for
or
their
our
key
population,
and
the
program
addresses
the
city.
Equity
goal
is
demonstrated
by
a
strategy
to
expand
services
to
Residents
who
experience
barriers,
so
this
is
specifically
like
residents
disengaged
from
government.
D
D
So
in
these
questions,
we're
assessing
like
caseload
comes
up.
We
know
that
for
Best,
Practices
caseloads
shouldn't
really
exceed
20,
maybe
maximum
25.,
and
we
also
know
that
for
people
who
are
involved
in
sort
of
long-term
Services,
there
can
be
people
who
have
just
enrolled
and
might
need
many
sessions,
and
then
there
are
people
who
are
established
and
may
need
fewer
meetings.
So
in
that
case
it
might
be
that
case
managers
carry
a
little
bit
of
a
heavier
load.
E
D
D
D
Anyone
who
completes
an
application
because
we
do
have
open
application,
an
open
application
process
so
technically
any
any
agency
could
fill
out
an
application
which
would
need
to
be
introduced
in
a
public
meeting,
but
this
would
give
staff
the
ability
to
immediately
sort
of
determine
if,
like,
if
an
agency
doesn't
there
like.
Ravinia
is
a
non-profit
right,
but
we
know
that
you
know
Ravinia
would
not.
If
Ravinia
requested
funds,
they
wouldn't
meet
any
of
our
income
or
service
eligibility.
So
we
could.
D
That
was
a
maybe
over-the-top
example,
but
it
does
highlight
that
this
tool
gives
gives
us
the
opportunity
to
rule
out
applications.
If
maybe
the
second
evaluation
form
for
public
services
has
the
similar
structure.
So
we
have
our
key
performance
indicators
and
then
we
do
identify
the
zoom
grants,
score
questions
that
fall
under
those
key
performance
indicators
and
a
description
of
why.
E
D
D
F
And
if
you
wouldn't
mind
that
she
was
helpful,
if
you
could,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
sharing
that
again
and
then
going
closer
to
the
top
of
it
around
I
think
it
was
case
under
case
management
and
case
load
and
while
you're
pulling
it
up.
I
guess.
My
first
question
is
right:
now
we're
scoring
we're
using
that
criteria
to
score
agencies
correct.
D
F
D
F
D
You
know,
even
with
that
past
practice
what
constituted
a
five
or
four
or
a
three
or
one,
but
basically
each
question
was
scored
by
each
Committee
Member
and
then
staff
compiled
sort
of
the
average,
the
average
for
each
question
and
then
an
average
score
for
each
application
and
those
scores
were
then
used
by
either
a
working
group
or
the
board
as
a
whole
to
determine
allocations
as
an
example.
Agencies
that
scored
you
know,
90
percent
or
above
would
receive.
You
know,
100
of
their
funding.
D
D
The
zoom
grants
tool
is
I,
think
really
really
nice
I
could
pull
it
up,
but
it
for
each
there's
a
split
screen
in
Zoom
grants
where
you
have
the
scores,
the
questions
that
that
the
committee
members
would
be
answering
and
then
you've
got
the
application
on
the
other
side.
So
when
we
say
in
the
score,
questions
I'm
just
going
to
use
safety
net
because
that's
what
I
have
in
front
of
me
as
an
example,
services
are
clearly
described
in
measurable
connection
between
services
and
stabilization
of
households
is
evident.
D
That
question
also
has
in
Brackets
q1
and
Q2,
meaning
someone
who
is
trying
to
answer
that
question
could
look
at
the
first
and
second,
the
answers
to
the
first
and
second
application
questions
to
see
how
agencies
answer
those
questions
and
then
based
on
the
agency's
answers
could
decide.
You
know,
yes,
I
think
this
application
does
an
excellent
job
of
describing
it.
You
know
a
measurable
connection
between
services
and
stabilization
of
households.
I
will
give
them
a
five
or
the
the
way
the
service
provided,
Maybe,
conditionally
stabilizes
people
or
stabilizes.
D
You
know
how
a
person
in
a
certain
area,
but
not
others,
they
still
have
other
needs.
So
maybe
I'll
give
that
you
know
a
three
again
recognizing
that
one
agency
providing
safety
net
Services
cannot
provide
sort
of
all
of
the
services.
It's
just
a
question
of
you
know.
If
the
agency's
goal
is
to
provide
services
to
domestic
people
between
the
best
of
violence
like
are
they
doing
that?
It's
not?
Are
they
doing
that
and
providing
housing
and
providing
food
and
providing
you
know,
enrollment
benefits.
D
Enrollment
I'm
gonna
pause
there,
because
I
tend
to
ramble
on
a
little
bit
but
I'm,
making
I
hope,
I'm,
making
clear
the
connections
between
the
application
questions
and
the
zoom
grants
who
are
questions,
and
also
we
did
not
have
a
way
of
ranking
or
or
weighing
excuse
me
specific
questions
they
all
kind
of
had
the
same.
It's
either
one
through
five
and
we
didn't
wait
by
category,
which
is
what
the
key
performance
indicators
sort
of
pulls
out
and
describes.
F
F
F
D
But
standard
nine
reads:
the
social
work
case
manager
should
carry
a
reasonable
caseload
that
allows
the
case
manager
to
effectively
plan,
provide
and
evaluate
case
management
tasks
related
to
client
and
systems
intervention.
So
I
will
just
share
from
my
own
background,
because
I
came
from
a
case
management
background
that
20
to
there
is
there.
It
is
difficult
to
put
a
set
number
on
it,
but
a
active
caseload
of
you
know
10
to
15,
and
you
know
Amanda,
please
weigh
in
or
any
I
wish
Cherie
were
here
to
to
weigh
in.
D
These
clients
tend
to
be
incredibly
vulnerable,
as,
as
you
guys
know,
and
need
not
just
put
her
shelter,
but
also
enrollment
in
in
SNAP
benefits
or
any
sort
of
benefits
that
they
can
find
help
obtaining
probably
state
ID
birth
certificate.
You
know
identification
documents,
they
need
housing,
they
need
Transportation,
they
need
job
health
support,
they
need
sort
of
everything,
everything
and
when
a
case
manager
is
working
with
a
participant
with
these
deep
needs,
you
could
be
meeting
with
that
participant
for
an
hour
or
two.
D
You
know
three
or
four
days
a
week
easily
to
help
that
individual
start
to
stabilize
and
to
your
point
council
member
Burns
connect
with
other
community
supports
that
are
available
no
case
manager
could
have
20
participants
like
that.
You
can
maybe
have
five
or
seven,
because
you
are
doing
so
much
Outreach
and
engagement
and
intense
work.
E
F
F
You
know
different
to
evaluate
and
apply
different
criteria
fairly
across
different
agencies,
which
hopefully
will
make
it
easier
for
us
to
determine.
You
know
if
someone
is
funded
or
perhaps
even
the
level
that
they're,
funded
and
I
know
the
last
go
around.
We
we
heard
from
agencies
who
are
concerned
about
how
the
committee
was
determining
funding
amounts
between
different
agencies
and
well
I.
Think
some
standards
are
hard
to
set
than
others.
You
just
described
one
I
think.
F
If
we
spend
enough
time
we
can
find
some
a
way
to
develop
those
standards
and
if
we're
using
a
point
system,
it
doesn't
mean
that
you're
ruled
out.
If
you
don't
meet
that
standard,
but
you
get
higher
scores
the
closer
you
are
to
that
standard,
so
I
think
there's
a
way
to
to
do
it
where
it
doesn't
rule
agencies
out,
but
it
helps
us
have
a
fair
and
transparent
evaluation
process
and
for
me,
I
think
what
I
would
appreciate.
F
Here's
our
standard-
it's
you
know
you
shouldn't
have
one
caseworker-
should
have
roughly
about
this
many
this
much
caseload
and
we
can
Define
that
by
the
amount
of
hours
that
us
total
hours
that
are
spent
with
clients,
we
can
Define
that
by
the
frequency
of
visits,
I
mean
we
can
think
about
the
way
to
do
that,
but
I
think
that's
what
I
would
appreciate
seeing
in
the
column
of
key
performance
indicators.
To
give
another
example,
I
think
under
service
plans
again.
What
is
that
outcome
that
we're
trying
to
achieve
so?
F
How
many
again
doesn't
rule
you
out?
If
you
don't
meet
this
standard,
it
just
means
the
close.
You
are
to
it
the
more
points
you
receive,
but
how
many
people
do
we
want
graduating
from
service
plans
and
and
again
within
those
service
plans,
we
don't
have
to
dictate
like
every
detail,
but
within
those
service
plans.
F
F
Think
overall,
that's
personally
what
I'm
looking
for
is
under
key
performance
indicators,
having
some
really
clear
standards
for
organizations
to
meet
and
and
gearing
it
towards
the
quality
that
we're
looking
for
the
outcome
that
we're
looking
for
and
again
just
to
close
I
think
it'll
help
us
guarantee
more
fairness
and
evenly
applied
system
of
determining
funding
and
funding
levels,
which
will
hopefully
then
also
lead
to
better
outcomes
overall
in
our
community.
So
but
thank
you,
Jessica
for
going
over
there.
D
D
D
D
F
More
effective
is
if
we
can
find
some
evaluation
processes
that
are
that
feature.
Some
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
today
and
and
I
know.
Ken
and
I
have
probably
taken
up
most
of
the
time,
but
maybe
in
between
the
meeting,
people
can
provide
any
additional
comments
as
to
what
they
would
like
to
see
included,
and
then
we
can
try
to
find
places
that
are
doing
similar
things
in
their
evaluation
processes.
F
I
think
it's
always
easier
to
start
off
with
with
something
that's
already
complete,
as
opposed
to
having
to
try
to
to
do
it
from
scratch.
You
know
where
we
need
to.
We
can
develop
a
new
way
of
doing
things,
but
I
think
where
possible
I
think
it
would
be
much
easier
if
we
can
find
something,
that's
close
to
what
we're
looking
for,
but
I
do
think
we
we
probably
need
to
forward
this
to
a
kind
of
working
group
where
we
can
probably
be
easier
in
person
can
meet
and
kind
of
noodle.
B
G
In
association
with
the
summary
sheet
that
Jessica
presented
earlier
in
the
meeting,
whether
it's
in
that
shape
or
in
the
shape
of
something
slightly
different
or
existing,
or
anything
like
that.
But
just
so
that
all
that
information
kind
of
carries
through
the
whole
process.
And
then
when
many
members
or
the
public
is
looking
to
understand
what
you're
evaluating
on
and
what.
That
data
looks
like
for
the
implication
that
it's
summarized
in
two
spots.
But
not
read.
No
more
than
that
to
give
that
kind
of
snapshot.
F
H
F
Guess
the
only
last,
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
ultimately
I
think
it
would
be
great
if
I
think
it
would
be
difficult
to
go
back
to
what
it
sounds
like
was
done
before,
where
individual
committee
members
kind
of
went
in
and
and
submitted
scores.
Hopefully
we
can
get
this
to
a
point
where
it's
very
clear.
What
we're
looking
for
and
so
staff
can
continue
to.
A
A
couple
things
can
this
committee:
can
we
establish
a
working
group?
Is
it
and
do
we
violate
the
open
meetings?
Act
or
or
would
the
working
group
need
to
be
an
open?
You
know
announced
and
then
be
an
open
meeting,
I'm,
not
sure
what
what
what's
permissible
under
our
under
our
open
meetings,
commitment
and
the
second
thought
I
have
it's
more
of
a
thought,
I'm
wondering
if.
A
Nsawasw,
has
you
know,
standard
kind
of
evaluation
processes
or
formats
or
something
that
could
be,
or
maybe
this
is
it
but
I
liked?
Your
suggestion
Bobby
that
that
we,
we
council,
member
Burns
that
we
that
we
start
with
with
some
template
or
some
format
some.
You
know
some
recommendation
and
not
try
to
cook
it
up
just
from
scratch.
G
So
as
far
as
a
working
group,
as
long
as
there's
only
two
committee
members,
then
you
can
have
a
working
group.
Oh
yeah
I
tried
to
reduce
the
number
of
meetings
to
be
reminiscent
of
Jessica's
time,
but
I
do
agree
that
maybe
in
this
case
that
might
that
might
be
helpful
to
have
even
a
couple
sessions
to
just
kind
of
iron
out
certain
things
and
make
sure
that
she's
able
to
move
forward.
F
And
I
just
want
to
quickly
speak
to
that
again.
I'm
happy
to
I
may
have
the
most
interest
in
this,
so
I'm
happy
to
participate
in
the
working
group.
I
will
say:
if
it's
more
than
two
that
you
know
I
know
we
are
trying
to
cut
down
on
the
amount
of
you
know,
meetings
we
have
to
notice
and
do
minutes.
It
creates
a
additional
work
which
I'm
sensitive
to
but
I
I
think
this
would
be
a
discussion
where
I
think
we
could
get.
F
E
B
I
I
agree:
councilmember
Burns,
just
the
idea
of
being
able
to
sort
of
move
forward
and
make
make
progress
since
I
do
think.
Both
Ken-
and
you
indicated
an
interest
in
that
working
group.
Are
there
others
that
have
an
interest
in
it?
Or
would
you
be
happy
to
have
Ken
and
council
member
Burns
bring
it
back
to
the
full
committee
which.
C
A
I
am
because
I
I
would
be
interested
in
people
with
with
more
knowledge
or
more
background,
and
this
kind
of
I
do
not
have
much
knowledge,
your
background
and
case
management
issues
and
and
all
of
that
and
I.
Just
if
anybody
else
on
the
committee
has
some
of
that
experience
or
interest
I
would
gladly
step
aside
and
have
somebody
else
do
it.
F
And
I
do
think
having
the
right
participation
is
important,
and
so,
if
the
only
way
to
get
that
participation
is
to
discuss
it
during
a
regular
Social
Services
committee
meeting,
then
I
would
personally
prefer
that
over
not
having
that
kind
of
expertise
in
the
meetings,
because
I
have
a
lot
of
ideas,
but
but
also
not
the
background.
So
I.
E
F
I
also
think
it's
important
to
note,
because
I
I
had
a
feeling
that
people
may
have
been
interpreted.
Some
of
my
suggestions
is
as
us
moving
towards
something
that's
too
rigid
and
can't
account
for
some
of
the
nuances
and
I
I
I
I.
Think
I'm,
looking
for
a
I,
think
I'm
looking
for
both
like
Nuance,
where
appropriate,
but
also
some
standards
were
appropriate
and
trying
to
see
if
there's
a
trying
to
see
if
there's
a
way
to
incorporate
a
bit
more
standards.
F
F
Yeah
I
think
so,
and
just
seeing,
if
those
you
know
some
of
the
NS,
whatever
was
called,
standards
may
be
appropriate
and
worse
kind
of
adopting,
but
for
some
of
the
criteria
we
may
want
to
look
to
other
references.
I
think
that's
some
of
the
work
the
working
group
could
do
is
to
look
at
what
we're
using
now
to
evaluate,
but
also
where
appropriate,
perhaps
looking
outside
of
those
as
well
but
yeah.
F
Whatever
we
end
up
coming
what
up
with
I
think
at
the
at
the
beginning
and
kind
of
throughout
the
application,
we
should
put
those
front
and
center
so
that
agencies
know
you
know
what
we're
looking
for
and
how
they
can
not
only
best
position,
really
not
any
position
themselves
but
position
the
organization
to
kind
of
meet
those
standards
of
those
expectations.
And,
ultimately
the
goal
is:
is
better
outcomes
overall
for
our
community,
so
I
think
I,
don't
I!
F
Don't
want
this
to
feel
like
it's
just
it's
a
it's
something
to
make
the
process
more
difficult
for
agencies.
I.
Think,
what's
in
the
front
of
my
mind,
is
how
do
we
lead
to
better
outcomes
so
that
people
receiving
the
services
from
the
agencies
and,
if
there's
a
way
to
do
that,
by
making
some
adjustments,
where
appropriate,
I'm
willing
to
explore
that.
D
D
D
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
it
was
it
was,
it's
always
been
a
process
that
has
been
part
of
the
public
conversation
ideally,
and
that
is
another
reason.
We're
posting
this
information
and
we
have
this
information,
and
so
I
just
want
to
say
that,
and
also
should
the
committee
decide
to
form
a
working
group
before
the
next
meeting.
D
D
F
F
B
G
Right
I
was
just
about
gonna
suggest
that
it's
always
an
option
as
well.
To
do
virtual
I
do
want
to
be
mindful
of
making
sure
we
get
input
for
people
from
people
that
are
in
the
field,
but
also
are
mindful
of
potential
conflict
of
asking
input
from
our
people
that
are
part
of
organization
that
would
potentially
receive
funding
or
apply
for
funding.
So,
depending
on
the
topic
of
what's
being
asked
yeah,
we
want
to
just
keep
that
in
mind.
D
F
D
So
if
you
don't
mind
me
saying
we
do
have,
we
do
have
conversations
with
agencies
both
that
we
fund
and
just
other
communities,
stakeholders
and
we've
had
Roundtable
discussions
about
Community
needs.
Mental
health
needs
referrals
that
agencies
needed
for
participants,
but
weren't
able
to
find
in
the
community
gaps
and
services,
and
we've
been
holding
those
conversations
virtually
since
since
covid
really
shut
us
down
and
the
pros
are
because
we're
all
able
to
meet
virtually,
we
can
meet
more
often,
we
can
use
tools
like
jam
boards
and
polls.
D
D
B
And
this
is
Sam
or
Samantha
I.
Think
part
of
it
could
also
be
just
you
would
have
to
include
you'd
have
to
really
open
it
up
to
everybody
as
opposed
to
a
small
group,
and
then
it
just
gets
it
can
get
complicated,
because
if
it's
not
open
to
everybody
then
did
those
that
participate
have
an
unfair
Advantage,
which
obviously
is
not
the
intent.
But
could
it
be
argued-
and
it
probably
could
be.
F
Yeah
I
mean
I,
look
back,
I'm,
pretty
sure
we
had
a
working
group
before
and
we
talked
about
something
related
to
evaluations.
I
know
during
the
call
I
brought
up
like
how
you
know,
reporting
what
you
know.
Different
software
people
were
using
for
reporting
and
we
were
discussing
things
either
related
to
evaluations
are
certainly
very
adjacent
to
it.
F
B
B
No
council,
member
Burns,
I,
think
I,
remember
the
meeting
you're
talking
about,
and
it
was
very,
very
helpful
and
I
think
how
we
can,
if
I
recall,
I
think
we
just
invited.
Perhaps
it
was
I,
think
we
just
invited
anybody
who,
like
it,
was
almost
like
anybody
who
was
interested
in
applying
like
it
might
have
been
before
the
application
was
out,
but
it
was.
It
was
a
broad
invitation
if
I'm
recalling
that
meeting.
F
G
And
I
think
I
will
add
that
well,
yeah
I
would
definitely
depending
always
decided.
We
can
run
it
by
the
legal
department
and
the
city
probably
would
want
to
do
that,
and
it's
just
a
question
of
the
difference
between
getting
input
and
getting
insights
on
certain
things
and
the
difference
between
having
a
select
few
helping
and
setting
those
standards.
And
those
are
two
different
things
we
can
do
both.
G
We
can
have
people
that
are
in
the
field
and
agencies
and
are
working
and
have
them
provide
input
and
insight
without
them
being
participating
in
how
the
committee
decides
what
those
standards
would
be
or
how
we
evaluate,
because
even
if
they're
not
scoring
how
you're
going
to
decide
to
set
your
evaluation
tool
is
going
to
greatly
impact.
How
scoring
is
going
to
land,
and
even
if
this
you
know,
yes,
there's
different
people
that
are
going
to
score,
but
the
way
you're
going
to
set
it
up
the
questions.
G
You're
going
to
ask
the
categories
the
number
of.
However,
it's
set
up
that
that's
greatly
going
to
influence
where
you
land
during
application
time,
so
I
I
really
do
want
to
be
mindful
about
that.
But
there's
ways
to
do
that
absolutely
and
to
include
people
from
the
community
that
are
working
in
this
field.
B
F
Yeah
I
agree
with
that.
I
only
saw
it
as
I
think
the
committee
is
going
to
do
that
final
work
of
determining
how
things
are
scored,
I
think
we're
on
the
same
page,
I
I,
think
the
value
is
just
just
the
input
and
comments
around
certain
things
that
we
fill
our
program
and
then,
ultimately,
we
can
come
back
to
the
full
committee.
That'll
that'll
determine
what
scoring
and
everything
else
looks
like.
D
B
Around
your
schedule,
yep
I
can
participate
unless
there's
another
I
was
in
the
last
one.
So
I
do
want
to
just.
If
there's
somebody
mainly
I
think
Derek
is
you're.
The
only
other
account
member
that
we
haven't
heard
from,
but
if
you
would
prefer
I'm
I'm
free
to
give
up
my
spot,
but
if
not
I'm
happy
to
make
myself
available.
C
No
chair,
I
think
I'm,
okay,
seeing
the
end
product
of
it
when
it
comes
to
the
full
committee.
What
I
would
also
recommend
too
is
we
have
several
members
that
are
absent
tonight,
I
think
probably
three
or
four,
so
they
may
be
distilling
the
question
of
who
wants
to
participate
in
this
and
what
it
looks
like
and
maybe
saying
that
out
of
an
email,
Jessica
and
seeing
if
there
are
other
volunteers
too,.
D
D
Excuse
me,
I,
think
I
would
love
to
get
the
Committees
and
thoughts
about
third-party
ranking
system
and
and
possibly
discuss
the
pros
and
cons
the
two
most
viable
options.
If
we
decide
to
go
that
route
would
be
charity,
Navigator
or
great
non-profits,
but
really
I
I
see
sort
of
challenges
with
both
that
I
outlined
in
the
memo.
D
Ways
to
evaluate
organizations
through
great
nonprofits
charity
Navigator,
like
charity,
watch
and
guide
star.
These
are
very
geared
toward
Thunders
and
and
or
excuse
me
donors
and
getting
donors
and
funders
charity
Navigator
has
several
has
four
criteria
and
within
those
of
the
agencies
that
were
assessed,
they
weren't
all
assessed
under
sort
of
the
same
category.
So
there
was
that
differentiation
and
I
think
before
we
could
use
any.
C
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
it's
Jessica
with
these
when
I
was
thinking
about
this,
it
was
yeah
I
read
through
your
memo.
A
bigger
summary
of
these
organizations
was
helpful
and
highlighting
key
points
here.
What
they're
focused
on
I
don't
think
adopting
any
of
these
Charities
or
these
these
ranking
organizations
would
be
kind
of
what
the
final
decision
for
granting
agencies
funding
is
rooted
on.
I.
Think
it's
just
a
component.
You
know,
if
you
think
about
how
we
assess
agency
there's
a
mosaic.
C
B
B
H
B
H
A
A
You
know
from
one
of
these
rating
agencies,
but
I
could
see
if,
if
staff
or
somebody
wanted
to
just
run
names
through
through
their
database,
to
see
if
there
are
any,
you
know
Flags
Rays
about
about
questionable
questionable
things
that
we
might
want
to
look
at
at,
but
I
think
the
review
you're
doing
and
the
information
you
get.
We
get
from
all
of
the
input
that
we
get,
including
the
stats
knowledge
of
what's
going
on
in
the
in
the
organizations
locally.
I.
Think
that's
to
me
is
more
valuable.
D
You
know
I,
don't
but
I'm
taking
notes
and
somebody
would
be
happy
to
come
back
to
the
committee
can
something
you
said
also
reminded
me
that
whenever
the
city
provides
federal
funds
up
to
a
certain
amount,
we
check
agencies
and
contractors
through
the
sam.gov
site,
and
so
that
could
be
another
way
to
see.
If.
D
D
D
Bag
as
a
mosaic
tile
and
so
I
can
provide
more
information
at
the
next
meeting
or
at
a
later
meeting
about
whether
agencies
would
have
to
pay
to
participate,
and
if
the
agencies
not
represented
by
charity
Navigator
would
have
the
interest
capacity
ability
to
to
perhaps
be
included
and
and
the
committee
we
can
review
it
again
as
we
get
closer
to
analyzing
applicants
for
the
upcoming
application
cycle.
How
about
that.
F
F
Yeah
I
think
y'all
I
mean
I
hit
it
on
the
head.
It
seems,
like
you
said:
none
provide
program,
level,
information
about
outcome
or
finances,
I
think
that's
the
personally
what
I'm
most
interested
in
and
if
any
could
do
that
it
might
be
interesting
to
take
a
look
at,
but
or
do
we
know
if
there
are
agencies,
third-party
agencies
that
provide
program,
level,
information
about
outcomes
and
finances.
D
B
B
Seeing
none
I
believe
we'll
have
we
have
a
motion
to
adjourn
and
I
don't
need
to?
Actually
we
don't
need
to
vote
on
this
all
right.
Well,
thank
you,
guys.
We'll
work
on
a
working
group
we'll
see
you
in
May
time
to
enjoy
this
beautiful
weather
and
I.
Think
this
weekend
will
be
nice.
So
thank
you
all
have
a
great
day
and.