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C
A
With
four
people
present,
we
do
have
a
quorum
tonight.
Also
present
tonight
is
Melissa
cots
zoning
planner.
This
is
a
formal
meeting
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time,
so
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
board
regarding
any
matter
on
the
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
staff
on
the
documents
on
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellant
next.
A
Persons
who
wish
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
may
do
so
at
that
time,
any
person
with
a
legal
interest
and
property
located
within
500
feet
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
question
witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
When
all
supporting
and
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard,
the
applicant
or
appellant
will
be
given
a
nap
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
Then
the
board
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations.
All
testimony
will
be
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
those
strict
rules
of
evidence.
A
Please
limit
your
testimony
or
statement
to
your
personal
knowledge
when
you
address
the
board,
please
state
your
name
and
address
and
sign
in
on
the
provided
sheet.
Our
meetings
are
audio
and
video
recorded.
Please
make
sure
that
you
are
at
a
microphone
when
asking
questions
or
making
statements
so
that
you
can
be
properly
recorded.
All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
There
are
three
items
on
the
agenda.
A
A
First
of
all,
I'd
like
to
ask
anyone
who's
going
to
speak
tonight,
to
raise
your
right
hand
and
swear,
and
do
you
swear
or
for
everybody
who's
ever
is
going
to
speak.
Raising
your
right
hand,
do
you
swear
or
affirm,
to
tell
the
truth
throughout
the
court,
of
course,
of
these
proceedings
antastic
all
right,
Melissa
we're
going
to
start
with
512
Main
Street
Melissa
will
read
the
case
into
the
record,
an.
B
Availa
Plessy
applies
for
a
special
use
permit
for
a
type
2
restaurant,
a
manastir
taco
shop
in
the
c1,
a
commercial
mixed
use
district
and
the
odm
Dempster
main
overlay
district
zoning
code,
section
610,
3
3,
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
makes
a
recommendation
to
City
Council
the
determining
body
for
this
case.
Documents
included
as
part
of
the
record
include
special
use.
B
D
Hi,
my
name
is
Anna
Zilla
and
I'm
owner
of
a
our
taco
shop.
We've
been
her
address,
please
I'm!
Sorry,
our
address
will
be
a
512
Main
Street.
Thank
you.
D
Greg
go
ahead.
We
have
been
mobile
business
in
Evanston
for
two
years
now,
so
we
have
a
food
truck
and
catering
business.
We
have
we
work
out
of
an
off-site
commercial
kitchen,
so
during
these
two
years
people
have
been
requesting
for
us
to
have
a
physical
location,
so
we're
finally
ready
to
try
to
do
that
as
well.
D
This
is
a
very
really
a
really
really
tiny
retail
space.
I
think
it's
the
tiniest
retail
space
on
Evanston
and
the
way
it's
going
to
operate
is
that
there's
no
kitchen,
it
is
really
a
taco
shop,
so
all
of
our
food
will
continue
to
be
prepared
out
of
our
off-site
commercial
kitchen
and
delivered
to
this
location
all
times
each
day
to
have
fresh
product
in
so
everything
is
really
prepackaged
ready
to
go
our
core
target
audience
our
commuters.
D
So
we
think
it's
a
great
location
for
people
who
are
on
their
way
to
the
train
stations
and
the
bus
to
pick
up
taco
some
tacos
coffee
pastries.
We
are
planning
to
be
open
for
breakfast
and
lunch
time.
So
as
early
as
6:30
7:00
a.m.
we're
going
to
kind
of
test
that
and
be
open
till
2:00
3:00
4:00
in
the
afternoon
will
also
be
open
on
the
weekend
similar
times
at
some
point
down
the
road
we'd
like
to
be
open.
Late
night,
Friday
and
Saturday
nights.
D
C
D
Have
a
back
door
and
alley
access,
so
all
our
deliveries
will
be
done
through
the
back,
not
through
the
front.
So
all
the
deliveries
will
come
in
through
the
back.
Nothing
happens
to
the
front
door,
any
food
deliveries
if
we
schedule
anything
else
outside
of
what
we're
doing
we'll
also
be
done
through
the
back.
What.
C
D
D
A
D
And
it's
being
made
in
odd
and
that
it's
hot.
F
C
D
Long-Term
plan,
we
don't
have
permission
for
that
yet
because
it's
such
a
small
space
and
we're
trying
to
put
as
much
equipment
and
food
and
stuff
possible,
we
will
only
really
have
space
for
about
four
people
to
sit
also
capacity
for
the
restroom.
You
know
it's
a
small
capacity,
so
we
hope
to
take
advantage
of
the
sidewalk
cafe
next
year.
Okay,.
D
So
Sam
on
yes,
so
we
are
part
of
the
Evanston
Latin
X,
Business
Alliance
or
both
members
I'm.
Actually,
president
of
that
group,
and
so
we're
looking
to
always
come
up
with
opportunities
to
work
together,
different
businesses
together.
So
because
they
are
around
the
corner
and
they
don't
have
access
their
customers,
don't
really
have
access
to
a
lot
of
food
options.
We
would
like
to
stay
up,
stay
open
late
on
Friday
and
Saturday
night
and
work
with
them
to
have
a
dedicated
taco
run
between
their
brewery
and
our
topic.
So
what
does.
A
A
A
C
B
A
E
I
agree
with
Scott's
comments:
I
think
this
is
a
good
use
of
a
vacant
space
I
think
it
makes
sense
for
the
commuter
traffic
and
I
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
a
business.
You
know:
that's
been
in
the
community
for
a
couple
years
and
working
out
of
a
mobile
location
to
be
able
to
find
a
bricks
and
mortar
location,
I.
H
A
C
Sorry
one
thing
I
wanted
to
point
out
that
probably
is
I'm
not
sure
I've
heard
other
practices,
for
example,
with
temperance,
which
doesn't
have
a
permit
itself
to
be
making
food
on-site
and
having
some
issues
with
permanent
or
semi-permanent
food
establishments
operating
effectively
out
of
their
space.
So
I
don't
know
that
anything.
We're
deciding
would
weigh
in
on
the
propriety
of
that.
But
I
would
caution
the
applicant
as
well
as
SketchBook
to
make
sure
that
that
kosher
with
temperent
without
sketchbooks
permissions,
I.
A
A
It
certainly
is
in
keeping
with
that
purpose,
which
is
to
promote
growth
and
redevelopment
and
strength
in
our
economic
base
and
a
use
in
that
particular
location,
which
it
would
be
hard
to
press
to
find
any
other
applicant
a
lure
something
else
to
go
into
that
space
certainly
will
strengthen
that
whole
strip
on
Main
Street.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
A
Number
three:
it
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered
in
conjunction
with
a
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
in
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
upon
the
city
as
a
whole.
I,
don't
believe
that
this
will
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect.
I
think
the
bulk
of
their
their
business
is
going
to
be
local
and
neighborhood.
Based
I
also
don't
believe
that
there
are
other
type
twos
on
that
particular
block.
A
Oh
sorry,
there's
a
coffeehouse,
so
there
aren't
that
many
on
that
Street.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
that
number
four
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood.
In
fact,
it's
going
to
do
the
opposite
by
bringing
more
vibrancy
to
the
neighborhood
and
bringing
more
customers
to
the
neighborhood.
So
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
five:
it
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
A
It
is
down
the
street
from
both
from
public
transportation
and
it
will
not
be
causing
undue
stress
on
any
other
services
from
the
city.
So
I
believe
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
six.
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion,
I.
Think
again
that
the
primary
the
primary
customer
is
someone
who's
already
in
the
neighborhood
and
he's
already
walking
down
the
street
or
driving
down
the
street.
So
I
don't
think
that
traffic
congestion
will
increase
substantially.
So
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
seven.
A
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources,
we're
at
least
reusing
some
architecture.
That's
there
so
we're
preserving
that
I.
Don't
believe
that
there's
anything
historical
about
that
building,
so
I
do
believe
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
eight
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
features,
which
is
not
applicable
and
number
nine.
It
complies
with
all
the
other
applicable
regulations
of
the
district
in
which
it
is
located
and
other
applicable
ordinances,
except
to
the
extent
such
regulations
have
been
modified
through
the
plan,
development
process
or
the
grant
of
a
variation.
A
E
A
H
H
A
A
A
C
A
B
Dobson
Plaza
Inc
property
owner
applies
for
a
special
use,
permit
to
expand
an
existing
retirement
home
Dobson
Plaza
and
to
request
major
zoning
relief
for
one-story
addition
and
patio
in
the
are
four
general
residential
district.
The
applicant
proposes
to
expand
an
existing
retirement
home
where
a
special
use
is
required
for
a
retirement
home
zoning
code,
Section
six,
eight
five:
three
major
zoning
relief
for
46.8%
building
lot
coverage
where
a
maximum
forty
percent
is
allowed
zoning
code
Section
six,
eight
five,
six
and
where
40.1%
currently
exists.
B
Eighty
five
point:
four
percent
impervious
surface
coverage
where
a
maximum
fifty
five
percent
is
allowed.
Zoning
code
section
six,
eight,
five,
nine
and
seventy
seven
point:
four
percent
currently
exists:
a
one
point:
two
foot
front
yard:
Dobson,
Street
setback,
where
twenty
seven
feet
is
required:
zoning
code
section,
six,
eight,
five,
seven
b1
and
twenty
six
point
five
feet.
Currently
that
exists:
a
point:
nine
foot,
Street
side,
yard
setback,
dodge
Avenue,
where
15
feet
is
required.
B
Zoning
code
section
six,
eight,
five,
seven
B,
2
and
5.9
feet
currently
exists
and
a
patio
in
the
front
yard
Dobson
street,
where
patios
are
only
permitted
in
rear
yards
zoning
code,
section
six,
four
six
three
table
for
a
ten.
The
requested
special
use
and
similar
major
zoning
relief
was
previously
approved
in
ordinance.
B
I
Charlotte
Cohn
I'm,
the
administrator
adapt
implies
a
nursing
home
I
live
at
65,
21
North
Trumbull,
and
were
here
this
evening
to
present
what
we
had
already
presented
once
before.
However,
we've
updated
the
plans
to
be
I
think
a
little
bit
more
attractive,
which
will
improve
the
looks
of
the
building
and
improve
the
neighborhood
as
well.
I
think
that
the
the.
I
Writing
here
is
a
little
bit
confusing
we're
not
adding
one
story,
we're
adding
we're
expanding
the
dayroom
that
we
have
the
living
room
for
the
patients
and
the
reason
that
this
day
room
needs
to
be
expanded
is
because,
as
the
patients
are
aging
in
place,
they
are
in
need
of
more
adaptive
equipment
which
takes
up
more
room.
Should
you
explain
what
the
adaptive
equipment
is?
There
are
wheelchairs,
there
are
Gerry
chairs,
there
are
recliners,
there's
all
type
of
things
that
residents
need
once
they're,
not
as
ambulatory
as
they
were
when
they
first
were
admitted.
I
E
J
Dobson
has
been
Evelyn's
for
over
50
years
and
has
provided
outstanding
care
over
the
time
the
patients
have
been
Aging
in
Place
or
living
to
an
older
age,
so
room
for
adaptive
equipment
is
needed.
The
same
project
received
a
special
use
permit
in
February
of
2006.
At
the
time
the
project
was
not
able
to
be
realized,
but
they
need
for
the
additional
still
remains
for
the
addition
still
remains.
The
existing
lounge
spaces
are
very
minimal
and
need
to
be
expanded
to
improve
quality
of
life
for
the
residents.
J
The
building
would
like
to
provide
additional
lounge
and
recreation
areas.
The
addition
that
is
being
added
provides
this
area
the
residents
enjoy
to
watch,
people
come
and
go
and
the
activity
of
the
town.
The
addition
has
been
designed
to
provide
views
of
the
outside
and
landscaped
areas
on
the
property.
With
this
design,
they
will
be
able
to
watch
the
happenings
on
that
Avenue
and
depth
on
Street.
The
storefront
glass
system
will
allow
them
to
feel
much
more
part
of
the
outdoors
while
remaining
in
a
safe
environment.
J
The
Octagon
portion
of
the
additional
our
views
of
the
street
plus
have
views
of
an
access
to
the
landscape
side
yard
along
the
option
street.
The
extensive
landscaping
area
will
also
be
of
benefit
for
the
neighbors
across
the
street.
On
that--some,
by
providing
a
more
beautiful,
streetscape
adjacent
to
their
homes,
skip
area
will
provide
a
fully
integrated,
hardscape
and
planting
area.
The
residents
will
be
able
to
access
this
through
the
addition.
The
existing
building
is
a
three-story
24,000
610
square
feet
facility
and
is
attached
to
a
construction.
J
It
has
a
big
veneer
and
a
standing
seam
metal
roof.
The
new
addition
remains
unchanged
in
the
area
from
the
previous
model.
It
retains
the
identical
footprint
from
the
2016
model
of
1785
square
feet.
The
elevations
are
revised
from
the
2006
and
middle
to
update
and
enhance
the
building.
The
roof
has
been
revised
from
16
and
1/2
feet
to
15
feet
in
height.
Excuse.
C
I
I
I
C
A
H
C
A
But
engineering
won't
allow
them
to
cause
water
problems
on
any
adjacent
property.
So
if
engineering
city
engineering
determines
that
additional
measures
are
necessary,
they
will
require
that
as
a
as
a
condition
of
the
permit,
and
they
won't
give
them
the
apartment
without
seeing
that
engineering
so
I
think
we're.
F
J
We
will
match
the
existing
sites,
brick
on
the
Octagon
portion
of
the
addition
and
provide
a
standing,
seam
metal
roof
that
relates
the
existing
building
as
well.
All
the
addition
will
also
provide
an
area
of
surface
glass
to
provide
the
residents
with
a
connection
to
the
other
activity.
Why,
while
remaining
in
a
safe
environment,
the
portion
of
the
addition
of
the
storefront
windows
will
have
a
flat
roof
protected
by
a
single
ply
membrane
system.
The
area
of
storefront
windows
will
also
provide
a
modern
update
to
the
look
of
the
building.
J
The
two
adjacent
buildings
to
the
south
both
have
a
significant
amount
of
certain
windows.
The
portion
of
storefront
windows
on
our
project
will
provide
continuity
and
harmony
with
architecture
in
the
immediate
Sara
surrounding
area.
In
addition
to
providing
the
residents
with
unobstructed
views
for
aesthetic
enhancements
intended
for
the
for
the
renovation,
we'll
be
painting
the
existing
standing,
seam
roof,
a
warm
gray,
color
and
refurbishing
the
existing
canopy
element
over
the
main
entrance
to
the
building,
the
comma
P
will
be
retrofitted,
with
architectural
aluminum
panels
that
shall
be
painted
gray
to
match
the
new
roof.
Color.
J
The
hard
scape
for
the
landscape
area
on
the
side
of
the
building
will
be
constructed
of
pavers
and
will
benefit
the
residents
of
the
building
by
allowing
them
to
have
a
place
to
sit
outside.
Currently
they
have
the
existing
patio
area
on
dodge
Avenue
side
of
the
building,
but
this
patio
will
need
to
be
illuminated
to
create
the
necessary
addition.
We
would
like
to
locate
this
other
space
to
the
nicely
landscaped
side
yard.
J
F
J
E
I
I
E
I
A
Have
a
technical
question
for
you,
because
I'm
trying
to
figure
out-
and
you
want
to
look
at
the
elevation-
it
seems
as
though
the
first
floor
is
three
steps
out
of
grade.
So,
if
you're
at
that
first
floor
level
and
you're
going
through
the
sunroom
into
the
recreation
room,
all
at
the
same
level.
How
are
you
getting
down?
How
is
that
handicapped
accessible
out
there
because
I'm
not
seeing
a
ramp
on
the
plans?
And
you
didn't
give
us
a
an
elevation
of.
I
F
I
I
A
I
E
I
A
A
You
know
you're
giving
this
to
me
permanently
right,
you
are,
you.
Are
its
applicants
exhibit
a
oh
okay,
so
what
you're
showing
me
is
what's
existing
right,
so
you
have
a
patio
where
the
new
sunroom
is
going
to
be
that's
raised,
and
then
there
is
a
sloping
down
to
the
sidewalk,
but
that
whole
north
area
is
all
at
the
sidewalk
level
and
in
the
proposed
do
you
plan
on
having
that
at
the
sidewalk
level
to
what.
A
A
A
A
I
A
A
Any
other
questions
give
any
you
guys
it
anymore.
Okay,
do
you
guys
have
anything
you
want
to
sum
up
with
okay,
fantastic,
go
ahead
and
have
a
seat?
Is
there
anybody
else,
who'd
like
to
comment
on
120
Dobson
come
on
up
dodge
wherever
I
am
sorry.
If
I
can
have
your
name
and
your
address,
please
good.
K
Afternoon,
good
evening
my
name
is
Joseph
Whiteman
and
I
live
in
2004,
Dobson
and
I
have
resided
there
for
40
years,
okay,
first
of
all,
the
variance
that
they
are
trying
to
achieve
they're
already
out
of
compliance,
because
we
as
the
square
block
committee
back
in
1984-85,
allowed
them
to
get
a
variance,
and
at
that
time
they
told
the
city,
and
we
came
together
that
they
would
were
able
to
put
the
addition
on,
but
nothing
else
because
they
don't
have
the
space.
And
if
you
came
out
there,
you
see
what
I'm
talking
about.
K
But
that's
not
the
thing
that
really
bothers
us
is
that
we
asked
when
they
first
came
in
if
they
would
not
have
their
employees
Park
on
our
street,
and
we
pretty
much
came
to
an
agreement
that
no
employees
would
Park
on
our
street
and
it's
just
been
a
nightmare
on
Dobson
they'll
leave
their
cars
I,
don't
know
whether
they
work
12
hours
a
day
or
what
they'll
leave
their
cars
in
front
of
your
house
all
night.
If
you
say
anything
to
them,
they
will
get
belligerent
with
you.
So
I.
K
Don't
think
that
they
knew
the
variance
and
as
this
is
Conan
I
spoken
with
her
many
times,
I've
been
there
and
spoken
and
have
spoken
with
her
and
I've
gotten
really
nowhere
with
her.
But
she
wants
to
take
and
give
a
different
appearance
to
the
community
in
the
neighborhood,
and
that's
not
going
to
happen
because
she
has
a
shipping
container
that
sits
on
that
property.
That's
been
there
for
20
years
and
that's
an
eyesore
in
itself.
Now,
after
20
years,
you
want
to
beautify
our
neighborhood
I.
K
Don't
think
so,
and
the
rest
of
my
neighbors
will
speak
the
same
thing
because
they're
here
with
me
tonight,
we've
had
nothing
but
problems
from
the
people
that
work
there.
They'll
eat,
drink
their
beer
or
whatever,
when
they
get
off
some
work
and
leave
their
bottles
do
their
garbage
or
whatever
on
our
street.
They
care
nothing
about
our
neighborhood
and
then
they
take
and
they
push
these
elderly
people
down
the
middle
of
the
street
on
Dobson,
because
the
city
has
in
terms
of
trees
and
20
years,
their
limbs
hanging
in
the
trees.
K
A
L
I'm
Ivan
Carter
in
1924,
Dobson
I'll,
agree
with
every
word
he's
saying:
perfect
close
that
container
they
have
there.
Yeah,
skunks
and
stuff
live
under
it,
rats
under
the
so
it's
like
I
mean
we
live
there,
we'll
pay
in
tax.
So
you
know
the
people
who
work
at
that
place
like
he's
saying,
right,
I
come
there
the
park
they,
like
you
say
you
know:
what
can
you
park
over
in
your
you
know?
Neighborhood
over
there
go.
Let
them
find
your
Park
that
leave
the
car.
Is
it
your
street?
That's
the
answer
we
get.
L
We
live
there
and
I've
been
there
for
22.
So
it's
like
an
eyesore
anyway
that
container.
When
they
come
in
the
alley
to
deliver
the
food,
what
they
do.
We
use
the
shop
block
the
alley
you
gotta
go
on
around
like
two
blocks
and
if
you
talk
to
the
drivers
that
curse
you
up
and
if
we're
paying
tax,
we
should
have
a
little
bit
of
say
you
don't
see
what
I'm
saying
I
do.
A
G
C
Want
to
hear
from
the
applicant
and
a
few
of
those
points,
but
I
also
wanted
to
hear
from
staff
about
the
assertion
that
the
1984
variation
that
was
granted
was
somehow
an
agreement
that
would
met
that.
That
would
max
out
the
development
on
the
space
and
whether
you've
looked
into
that.
Whether
we
looked
into
that
or
or
know
what
those
conditions
were
at
the
time.
B
I
did
look
at
it.
I,
don't
remember
the
exact
wording
at
this
point,
but
ultimately
because
this
addition
triggers
a
new
special
use,
since
it
is
considered
an
expansion
of
the
use.
This
is
the
opportunity
that
it
it
can
either
add
to
those
conditions
or
void
out
those
conditions.
However,
you
choose
to
condition
this
current
subtle
use.
C
F
I
Couple
of
weeks
ago,
Joe
came
to
speak
to
me
about
the
problem
of
parking
and
I
told
him
that
those
were
not
our
employees
who
were
parking
there,
because
we
have
over
23
spaces
that
will
provide
for
our
staff
and
especially
in
the
evening,
the
staff,
how
many
staff
do
you
have
on
on
the
evening
shift.
We.
F
I
C
I
And
thus
far
we
did
investigate
after
Joe
came
to
speak
to
me,
and
we
became
aware
of
the
fact
that
the
the
apartment
building
on
Howard
now
charges
their
people
rent
to
park
their
cars,
and
we
see
them
walking
through
the
alley
and
they
are
parking
on
Dobson
and
that's
been
a
big
problem
because
I
guess
they
don't
want
to
pay
the
additional
fee
they're
paying
their
rent,
which
is
high,
and
then
he
wants
to
charge
them
additionally
for
any
parking
spaces.
Let.
C
I
I
C
I
C
F
C
Since
what
we're
discussing
includes
a
special
use
permit,
which
on
which
we
can
recommend
to
City
Council,
that
there
be
parking
conditions,
are
you
amenable
to
a
condition
that
ten
of
those
23
spaces
be
set
aside
for
employee
parking?
That
is,
visitors
not
be
allowed
to
use
those
time
spaces?
The.
I
C
I
I
C
I
I
Write
whatever
what
the
conditions
were
in
84,
we
agreed
to
and
we
complied
with
them
at
all
times.
The
pad
that
is
on
the
space
right
now
was
put
up
in
oh
in
when
we
originally
got
the
special
use
permit
that
we
put
the
pad
up
to
prepare
ourselves
for
the
addition.
Unfortunately,
my
mother
was
diagnosed
with
colon
cancer
and
I
didn't
proceed
with
the
project
at
that
time,
and
that's
why
we're
renewing
it
now,
because
the
need
has
become
so
great
what.
I
I
B
I
H
A
A
A
I
Seen
that
I
have
never
seen
that
we
have
family
members
and
if
somebody
goes
out
with
with
their
mother
or
dad
or
who
have
their
loved
one,
we
have
one
or
two
people:
there
isn't
a
parade
going
down
the
street.
You
have
one
person
coming
out
with
their
mother
and
going
down
dodj
for
a
walk
or
turning
and
absent
to
walk.
There
there's
never
been
a
problem.
Our
sidewalk
is
big
enough
to
accommodate
a
wheelchair
and
people
walking
by.
I
A
All
right,
do
you
guys
feel
do
the
neighbors
feel
as
though
your
questions
were
answered
because
keep
in
mind
right,
our
purview
is
doning,
we
don't
control
landscaping,
we
don't
control
parking,
we
don't
control
city
tree
trimming.
We
can't
do
any
of
that,
so
we
can.
We
can
try
and
cover
as
much
as
we
are
allowed
to
cover.
So
with
that
in
mind,
did
you
have
any
other
questions?
You
wanted
clarification
problem
while
we're
here
hang
on,
you
have
to
come
up
and
again
try
and
keep
it
to
a
zoning
issue.
Right
are.
A
L
G
I
There
twelve
hours
a
day
and
I'm
there
in
the
morning.
No
none
of
the
residents
go
out
in
the
morning.
First,
they
have
their
breakfast,
they
have
their
morning
gear,
they
get
their
therapy
and
if
they
go
out,
they
go
out
at
ten
o'clock
to
1
o'clock.
They
come
in
the
afternoon,
maybe
if
they
come
to
visit
at
4:00,
but
that's
it's.
It's
very
limited
amount
of
time
and
I'm
there
and
I
have
never
seen
anybody
pushing
residents
in
the
middle
of
the
street.
That's
that's
a
hazard.
C
This
seems
like
a
dialogue
that
should
happen
off
the
record
between
the
name
of
the
two
neighbors
I
will
just
say.
This
is
not
a
zoning
issue.
One
two.
It
strikes
me
that
the
facility
would
not
want
its
employees
walking
their
patients
down
the
middle
of
the
street
because
it's
a
potential
liability.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
ways
that
you
can
deal
with
this
outside
of
zoning.
All
right.
A
Sorry
I'm
going
to
have
them
sobs
I,
do
now
right,
we've
gone
beyond
we've
gone
beyond
what
we
consider
to
be
our
purview
and
our
purview
is
really
zoning,
but
I
would
encourage
you
as
an
employer
in
the
neighborhood
and
as
trying
to
be
a
neighbor
with
them
to
try
and
work
as
as
closely
as
you
can
with
them
to
address
their
concern
right.
It's
their
neighborhood
as
well,
and
you
guys
should
all
be
working
together.
So
we
encourage
you
to
make
it
a
good
environment
for
everyone.
That's.
I
If
the,
if
there
is
a
concern
about
them
sitting
in
the
front
and
walking
around
in
the
front,
I
think
that
the
new
garden
will
really
eliminate
that,
because,
instead
of
just
having
grass
and
bushes,
where
they'll
have
access
to
that
garden
and
they'll
be
in
the
garden
rather
than
in
whatever
they're
saying
is
happening
right
now.
I
think
it
will
be
incentive
and
an
impetus,
and
something
really
that
people
would
look
forward
to
sitting
in
the
garden
rather
than
sitting
on
the
sidewalk.
A
C
That's
how
I
feel
about
the
variation
yeah
with
respect
to
the
special
use,
I
again,
think
that
it
makes
sense
to
recommend
the
continuation
of
the
special
use,
since
it
has
expired.
It's
not
a
different
special
use
than
already
is
existing,
and
it
would
be
a
hard,
significant
hardship
to
not
recommend
it.
C
However,
we
have
an
opportunity
to
condition
that
and
a
couple
of
things
that
I
heard
that
I
think
are
approvals,
can
appropriate
conditions,
for
that
are
a
ton
of
the
23
spaces
that
the
facility
has
be
designated
as
employee
parking
spaces
for
use
by
employees.
Only,
and
the
second
would
be
that
the
storage
pod
must
be
removed
from
the
property
upon
completion
of
this
project
or
within
a
certain
amount
of
time.
Whichever
happens
first
I
agree
with.
F
A
Agree
with
that
as
well,
I
think
that
I
think
that
actually
creating
space
a
nice
space
for
the
residents
I
think
that
will
do
a
lot
to
get
them
off
the
sidewalk.
We
certainly
know
that
that
happens.
We
can
see
that
happen
at
other
similar
facilities,
so
I,
don't
doubt
that
it
happens
there
as
well,
so
I
think
they're,
giving
them
a
dedicated
place
and
a
pretty
place
would
be
a
much
nicer
environment
than
sitting
on
the
sidewalk.
E
Lisa
I
agree
with
the
comments,
your
comments
and
Scott's
comments.
It's
a
very
tight
site
and,
to
the
extent
that
improvements
can
be
made
for
the
residents
there
I
support
that,
to
the
extent
that
they're,
not
you
know,
unduly
and
krint
infringing
on
the
neighbors
I
think
that
makes
sense.
I
think
the
diaper
report
did
did
address
the
impervious
surface
issue
that
I'm
fine
with
including
it
as
some
sort
of
condition.
As
a
part
of
you
know
as
part
of
our
discussion
here.
A
Okay,
with
that
I'm
going
to
get
to
do
9
standards
of
major
variations
and
connectors
for
special
uses,
7
standards
for
major
variations.
So,
let's
start
with
that
of
the
7
standards
for
major
variations
number
one
is
the
requested.
Variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
youth
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
A
I
think
that,
given
the
testimony
that
we've
heard
about
residents
in
the
neighborhood
and
residents
on
sidewalks
I
think
that
actually
getting
the
residents
off
the
sidewalks
and
giving
them
a
nice
place
to
to
to
be
and
to
sit
outside
and
enjoy,
nature
will
substantially
help
with
the
neighborhood.
I
also
think
that
some
of
the
conditions
we're
going
to
put
on
this
application
will
actually
help
the
neighborhood
as
well.
So
I
think
that
we
have
met
those
standards
number
two.
The
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
A
The
intent
is
to
allow
for
modifications
to
properties
in
keeping
with
current
needs
of
homeowners
or
residents
in
this
case
and
I
do
think
that
the
need
for
additional
space
given
a
an
older
resident
and
one
who
is
less
ambulatory,
is
a
is
a
significant
factor
here.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
variation
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
three,
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty-
is
peculiar
to
the
property.
A
This
is
a
tight
property
and
they
don't
really
have
a
lot
of
space
to
be
able
to
change,
to
add,
to
make
improvements
to
their
property,
to
make
life
better
for
their
residents.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
four,
the
property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty,
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience
of
the
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out.
A
I
do
think
that
we're
what
if
we
don't
approve
the
variance
I
think
we
we
are
necessarily
affecting
the
quality
of
life
of
some
of
the
residents
and
I
have
a
particular
difficulty
with
that
of
not
allowing
for
a
better
quality
of
life
for
residents
based
on
giving
them
some
additional
space
to
to
be
able
to
live
in
so
I
believe
that
standard
has
been
met.
So.
A
Okay,
number:
five:
the
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
the
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property
or
that
there's
a
public
benefit.
So
there's
actually
two
of
those
in
this
in
this
case
in
this,
because
the
owners
can't
change
the
occupancy
of
the
unit
of
the
building,
they
can't
get
more
income
out
of
having
these
additional
spaces,
so
I
believe
that
portion
of
the
standard
has
been
met.
A
A
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property.
The
difficulty
is
given
the
lot
size
which
has
not
in
the
existing
building
and
existing
parking
on
the
Lots
lot
on
a
lot
so
I
don't
believe.
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met
and
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulations
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
but
some
of
their
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
I
do
believe
that
this
is
the
minimum
change
necessary.
A
These
are.
These
are
not
large
rooms,
they're
very
small,
quite
frankly,
and
I
think
that
the
occupancy
is
is
for
standing
people
and
not
for
people
in
wheelchairs,
so
I
think
the
occupancy
for
these
rooms
is
is
generous
and
I.
Don't
think
that
that
will
actually
be
the
case,
so
I
do
believe
that
this
is
the
minimum
change
necessary.
A
C
Ma'am
I'll
make
the
motion
since
we're,
since
this
involves
both
them,
even
though
we're
making
two
motions,
since
this
involves
both
a
major
variation
and
a
special
use.
We're
the
recommending
body
to
simple
console
on
both
motions
and
with
respect
to
the
major
variation,
therefore
requested
in
application.
C
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3
regarding
the
property
at
120,
Dodge,
Avenue
I,
move
that
we
recommend
to
City
Council
that
the
variations
be
approved
with
the
following
conditions,
one
that
the
applicant
provide
the
engineering
opinion
that
they've
already
obtained
with
respect
to
drainage
implications
of
the
increased
impervious
surface
and
2
2.
That
the
city's
civil
engineer
involved
in
the
permitting
process
provide
an
agreement
that
the
additional
water
flow
off.
The
property
caused
by
the
additional
impervious
surface
won't
have
a
negative
impact
on
the
adjacent
properties
and
3
that
the
property
otherwise
be
developed.
A
A
F
A
So
now
we
will
move
on
to
standards
for
special
uses.
There
are
nine
of
those
and
number
one
is
that
it
is
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
It
is
so
that
standards
were
met,
number
two,
it's
in
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
adopted,
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
as
amended
from
time
to
time.
A
A
Number
three:
it
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered,
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
in
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
upon
the
city
as
a
whole.
I
don't
believe
that
there
are
other
special
uses
in
the
near
vicinity
to
this
particular
property,
and
there
are
certainly
very
few.
A
What
are
you
calling
me
retirement
home?
Thank
you,
retirement
homes
in
the
city,
so
I,
don't
I,
don't
believe
that
there
will
be
a
negative
cumulative
effect
of
this
particular
use.
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
four:
it
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
the
property
in
the
neighborhood.
A
With
these
particular
two
additions
with
the
addition
and
the
patio,
the
the
resident
patio
I
do
believe
that
it
will
increase
the
value
of
neighborhood
property
by
getting
the
residents
off
of
the
street
and
providing
a
nice
place
for
them
to
to
watch
the
world
go
by
as
long
as
we
have
solved
the
civil
engineering
issue
and
that
there
is
no
water
and
no
divot
erious
effect
on
any
of
the
neighborhood
properties.
So
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Assuming
civil
engineering
is,
is
appropriately
designed
number
five.
A
It
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
There's
been
testimony
that
there
will
be
no
change
in
resident
youth
and
no
change
in
employees
and
no
change
in
in
the
business
as
a
whole.
So
I
don't
believe
that
there
will
be
any
changes
to
the
way
the
public
facilities
are
used
in
services
or
so
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
six.
A
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion
again,
there's
no
change
to
the
actual
number
of
occupants
and
employees,
so
I,
don't
believe
we're
talking
about
adding
any
particular
traffic
to
this
location.
So
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources.
I,
don't
think
this
is
applicable,
but
it
is
trying
to
make
the
the
building
certainly
more
attractive.
So
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met
where
it
can
number
eight.
It
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
features.
A
I,
don't
believe
that
that
standard
is
applicable
and
number
nine,
it
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
of
the
district
in
which
it
is
located
and
other
applicable
ordinances,
except
to
the
extent
such
regulations
have
been
modified
through
the
planned
development
process
or
the
grant
of
a
variation,
and
given
that
we
have
just
recommended
approval
on
some
major
variations
that
will
certainly
meet
that
standard.
So
I
make.
C
F
A
Those
opposed
with
a
motion
it
with
a
vote
of
4
to
0.
Your
motion
carries
and
goes
to
City
Council,
with
a
recommendation
for
approval.
We
will
strongly
encourage
you
miss
cone
to
work
with
your
neighbors
and
to
address
their
issues,
because
you
are
only
as
successful
as
your
neighborliness,
and
so
it
would
behoove
you
to
really
work
with
them
to
solve
the
problems.
They've
been
there
a
long
time
and
they
they
deserve
to
be
heard
and
and
respected.
So,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it
all
right.
B
F
F
M
A
A
M
Data
and
zoning
meeting,
so
the
project
is
located
right
on
the
corner
of
Crawford
and
Cross
Point
Road,
which
at
the
moment
is
a
vacant
lot.
It
used
to
be
a
gas
station,
but
it's
been
empty
for
almost
a
decade
and
Nix
is
the
only
fully
organic
certified
fast-food
restaurant
in
the
nation.
And
what
we're
proposing
to
do
is
to
have
a
ground
floor,
which
is
approximately
1,800
square
feet
which
will
have
all
the
back-of-house
functions
and
the
front
house
with
a
bit
of
seating.
M
M
Of
the
corner
and
right
here
is
the
site
plan,
so
this
is
what
we're
proposing
to
do.
You
have
pedestrian
access,
both
from
the
parking
lots
and
as
well
as
from
Crawford.
There
are
bicycle
racks
that
we've
played
on
the
crawford
side,
which
is
closer
to
getting
across
to
drive-thru.
Access
in
and
out
of
the
site
is
only
from
Grosse
Pointe
Road,
and
this
was
based
on
studies
with
the
city.
M
M
That
is
probably
the
biggest
challenge
to
the
to
the
project
and
it's
difficult
to
work
with,
but
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
significance
to
our
client
to
make
Evanston
the
first
and
special
place
where
Knicks
organic
comes
up.
We're
also
proposing
a
small
green
roof
on
top,
which
will
be
visible
from
the
mezzanine
keeping
alignment
notion
of
the
organic
food
and
vision
of
the
clients.
And
there
is
a
queue
for
eight
cars
and
five
parking
spaces,
which
is
above
the
the
requirement
for
the
small
size
of
a
restaurant
for
this
area.
M
M
C
M
N
Rolling
Meadows
location
is
just
about
3,000
square
feet,
so
it's
much
larger
and
there's
also
more.
There
is
additional
part.
We
do
have
more
parking
in
Rolling
Meadows,
but
to
cover
the
parking.
If
there
is
an
overflow
from
our
lot.
I
have
been
in
communication
with
CBS
and
Starkey's
about
using
the
little
portion
of
their
lot
as
well.
To
take
on
that
overage
Thanks.
C
A
N
We
we
anticipated
that
well,
first
of
without
going
into
it
wasting
a
lot
of
time,
but
it
was
the
first
before
we
received
our
our
investment
from
the
West
Coast.
It
was
the
first
drive
through
that
we
saw
that
was
that
was
reasonably
built
out
in
Rolling
Meadows,
so
as
I
also
happen
to
be
our
partners
location,
so
we
actually
owned
that
location
now.
So
just
worked
out
that
way,
but
everybody's
responding
very
well
to
it.
People
in
Schaumburg
and
Inverness
and
all
the
surrounding
neighborhoods
are
coming
there.
It's
been
great
all
right.
C
M
No,
this
is
what
we're
proposing,
but
we
try
to
limit
the
amount
of
in
and
out
of
the
site,
because
there
was
a
concern
from
the
neighborhood
that
it
may
be
too
congested
to
be
going
in
and
out
of
Crawford
where
the
street
narrows.
So
that
is
the
reason
that,
even
though
it
would
be
probably
easier
for
everyone
to
have
a
who's
inside
to
go
in
and
out
of
Crawford,
it
would
may
cause
a
bit
of
a
backup
going
through
the
light.
M
E
C
M
E
M
E
N
Still
working
on
it,
CVS
corporate
seems
to
be
a
little
slow
in
responding
so
I'm
just
waiting
for
them
to
play
catch-up.
I.
Have
you
know,
I've
reached
some
sort
of
an
agreement
with
lasar
keys,
although
nothing
is
in
writing
yet
I'm.
Just
waiting
to
hear
back
from
CVS
to
know
what
the
situation
is
between
both
of
them.
N
C
I'm
a
little
confused
and
concerned
about
the
traffic
flow.
You
could
just
walk
me
through.
It
looks
like
somebody
who's
turning
right
from
Crawford.
That
would
be
making
sort
of
that
little.
You
shaped
turn
is
a
lot,
but
you've
also
got
cars
exiting
from
the
window
right
at
that
same
joint
in
the
lot.
M
Will
be
a
very,
very
favorable,
favorable
condition
for
neck?
Let
a
lot
of
people
there
I
think
that
a
lot
is
big
enough
to
handle
a
relatively
busy
day.
Well,
there
is
a
huge
queue
around
I.
Don't
think
it's
ever
going
to
happen
where
everyone
is
there
at
the
same
time,
parking
and
leaving
and
entering
and
going
in
from
the
other
side,
I'm
less.
C
C
M
M
A
A
F
C
M
A
M
A
A
N
A
A
F
A
It
also
made
me
worry
about
your
viability
yeah
and
that,
if
you're
really
getting
one
walk
in
in
the
morning
and
five
drive-throughs,
how
are
you
staying
in
business
and
how
do
we
not
end
up
with
a
two-story
empty
building
on
the
corner
in
two
years
right,
so,
do
we
not
end
up
with
an
empty
building
on
the
corner
in
two
years?
Well,.
N
N
N
Mean
there
we're
working
on
a
few
more
right
now,
but
this
is
yeah
one,
that's
important
to
me,
because
I
grew
up
them.
So
it's
a
lot
that
I've,
driven
by
many
many
times
realistic,
Hill
there
and
you
know
growing
up
as
a
Centennial
and
walking
over
and
stuff.
So
it's
kind
of
interesting
that
you
know
we're
considering,
but
regarding
the
traffic
this
could
possibly
be
over
over-ambitious.
I,
don't
know
if
we'll
hit
this
exactly
we'd
like
to
we'd
like
to
strive
for
this,
but
I,
don't
think
what.
A
N
The
app
we
were
hoping
because
of
how
small
this
lot
is.
We
were
gearing
this
more
towards
the
drive
through
operation.
Okay,
this
accessibility,
you
know
convenience
if
people
ride
their
bike
or
their.
You
know
there's
parking
spots.
There
me
personally,
if
I
couldn't
find
a
parking
spot
in
the
location,
I
was
going,
I'd
ordered
the
drive-through,
and
if
we're
talking
about
parking
that
sort
of
a
thing
and
traffic
you
know,
I
I
would
say
probably
about.
Seventy
percent
feel
slightly
more
than
Rolling
Meadows.
So
there's
a
lot
more
seating
in
our
location,
rolling.
A
N
And,
and
also
because
it
does
give
it
gives
away
just
a
little
for
a
little
bit
more
seating,
a
second
level.
It's
a
little
bit
bigger
a
little
bit
more
grand.
You
know
we
can.
We
can
spend
a
little
bit
more
on
our
second
location,
so
we
want
it
to
be
a
second
story.
This
is
the
model
that
we're
going
to
be
using
for
the
majority
of
our
of
our
builds
they're
not
going
to
be
big
locations.
Rolling
meadows
will
probably
our
biggest
drive
there.
So.
N
F
C
M
N
We'd
like
to
pave
it,
make
it
nice,
you
know
we'll
take
on
pretty
much
the
responsibility
for
that
alley,
especially
if
we're
able
the
what
I
was
discussing
with
Sarki,
so
that
we'd
also
help
her
with
that
parking
lot
as
well,
right
or
CVS.
You
know
we'll
try
and
we're
trying
to
work
something
out
where
it
can
be
good
for
the
city
good
for
everybody
good
for
us.
Ok,.
F
N
F
N
M
N
M
O
N
A
N
N
C
N
Well,
food
is
most
definitely
prepared
on
site
first
order,
so
wait
times
a
little
bit
longer
than
you
know,
typical,
fast-food
restaurants
or
sort
of
a
hybrid
fast-food
model,
if
you
will,
but
regarding
deliveries,
will
be
made
in
that
that
alley.
Our
current
deliveries
are
Tuesdays
and
Thursdays,
which
slow
probably
can.
M
It
dips
really
fast
the
alley.
It's
a.
F
F
M
A
M
N
F
N
M
E
N
Well,
so
are
purveyors
are
large
purveyors
as
well,
so
if
they
do,
if
they
deliver
to
restaurants,
they
can
except
semis
they
find
ways
because
they
want
to
make
money
too
right
so
they'll,
probably
okay,
the
semi.
We
also
pick
up
a
lot
of
our
stuff
as
well.
Until
we
get
to
that
commissary,
it's
been
very
difficult
sourcing
for
organic
concepts,
so
right.
I
N
N
N
N
F
N
F
C
N
F
C
M
We
have
not
seen
the
letter
no,
but
the
speaker
system
is
evolving
all
the
time
and
I
think
we
can
easily
argue
that
we
that
the
menu
board
is
going
to
focus
speaking
to
a
person
in
an
automobile,
and
it's
also
facing
the
blind
wall
of
Serkis,
as
well
as
a
fence.
That's
put
up:
it's
not
facing
any
of
the
open
directions
on
the
site,
so
I
don't
think
the
noise
will
be
an
issue.
It
has
to
go
through
the
car,
with
a
very
directed
sound
into
a
blank
wall.
Behind
can.
E
M
A
M
N
A
C
N
C
12:00
I
will
just
caution
that
I
don't
know
if
I
don't
know
if
we
should
be
concerned
or
if
you
are
concerned
and
have
thought
about
it,
but
having
a
building
that
shields
a
drive-through,
that's
on
an
alley
creates
a
dark
space
late
at
night,
where
people
could
theoretically
be
and
I
don't
know.
If
you
want
to
have
that
lit
in
some
way
there.
M
Are
garages
are
lights
on
the
under
all
four
sides
of
the
building
they're
just
about
eight
feet,
high
and
down
down
lights
will
remain
lit.
I.
Imagine
if
that's.
If
the
safety
is
an
issue,
they
can
certainly
be
at
least
been
to
a
reasonable
level
and
they'll
be
on
the
three
sides
of
the
drive-thru.
That's.
E
M
So
we're
looking
at
as
much
the
window
wall
as
we
can
get
on
the
front
between
the
mezzanine
and
the
and
the
ground-floor.
We
have
essentially
we're
helping
a
Quay
storefront
system.
It's
going
to
limit
the
amount
of
millions
you
have
to
make
it
as
open
as
possible
and
there's
also
this.
Let's
call
it
a
double
height
glass
right
here
at
the
entrance,
so.
M
A
F
M
F
F
A
N
Only
differences
we're
just
serving
it
without
all
the
junk
all
the
chemicals
you
know
all
the
stuff
that
makes
you
feel
lethargic
and
nasty
after
eating
every
you
know
we're
or
the
real
deal.
It's
real
food
there's.
No
reason
why
fast-food
can't
be
certified
organic
there's
a
reason
why
organic
food
can't
be
fast-food
okay.
So
that's
what
we
did.
I
guess
from
try
smells.
M
M
A
M
There's
really
no
way
to
make
this
better,
normally
on
the
site,
to
have
a
drive-through
and
to
have
a
restaurant
on
this
type
of
a
condition.
So
everything
is
pretty
much
forced
where
it
is
and
we're
hoping
that
with
some
sensitive
landscaping
and
native
species,
we
can
at
least
address
some
of
the
property
side
of
the
whatever's
left
of
the
lot.
C
I'll
help
rescue
you
a
little
bit,
which
is
to
say
that
its
staff
concluded
that
the
30-foot
pedestrian
area
is
not
necessarily
in
the
character
of
this
particular
Street.
We're
required
for
this
particular
Street
with
such
heavy
traffic
and
therefore
it
may
not.
My
interpretation
of
that,
then,
is
that,
therefore,
it
may
not
be
as
big
an
impingement
variation
as
it
otherwise
might
be.
If
this
were
same
request
were
being
made
in
a
different,
but
similarly
zoned
area.
B
That
is
correct
to
comply
with
the
30-foot
pedestrian
area.
That
would
require
that
there's
hardscaped
areas,
starting
at
the
curb
of
both
streets
and
then
going
in
basically
into
the
parking
lot
and
the
the
drive-through
area
and
staff
feel
that
it
is
not
necessary.
Nor
is
it
safe
to
have
hardscaped
areas
of
that
much.
That
would
be
encourage
pedestrians
that
close
to
such
busy
streets.
F
A
A
O
I
O
O
So
I
I
did
submit
a
letter.
I
live
pretty
much
across
the
street
from
this.
The
26:30
crawford
and
we've
lived
there
for
30
years.
My
biggest
concern
is
parking,
although
after
looking
through
the
packet,
I
do
have
a
few
other
concerns
but
I
according
to
the
packet,
the
busiest
time
that
their
existing
business
is
11
a.m.
to
1
p.m.
and
having
lived
there
for
30
years.
I
can
tell
you
that's
also
the
peak
hours
for
Sarkis
and
Sarkis
does
not
have
adequate
parking,
but
a
lot
that
dailies
from
CVS
is
not
it's
full.
O
O
O
O
O
Well
at
least
a
kind
of
work
here
is
a
view
of
that
lot
at
that
time,
and
it's
full
that
the
lot
that
Sarkis
leases
from
CBS,
apparently
it's
full
the
only
time
you
see
if
you
see
one
spot,
somebody
just
pulled
out
and
somebody
else
is
about
to
pull
in
so
I
guess:
you'll
have
these
pictures
if
you
want
to
see
them
later
or
something
yep.
The
bottom
line
is
between
11:00
and
1:00.
Sarkis
already
doesn't
have
enough
parking
and
there's
a
little
bit
of
background.
O
I
was
here
a
few
years
back
the
developer,
who
did
owned
the
lot
where
this
proposal
is
had
the
idea
to
build
a
big
Chase
Bank
that
would
have
included
the
alley
they
would
have
gotten
the
alley
from
the
city
and
the
next
two
residential
lots,
and
a
lot
of
us
were
against
that
because
I'm
right
across
the
street
I'm
also
on
the
last
house
in
the
residential
zone,
then
there's
alley
next
to
me,
which
is
the
same
alley
that
crosses
there
and
then
there's
a
business.
O
O
There
they
were
drive-thru
banks
that
size,
and
so
actually
the
City
Council
removed
the
prohibition
on
drive-thru.
Just
for
that
one
watt
the
whole
rest
of
the
Central
Street
overlay
district.
You
can't
have
a
drive-thru
put
that
one
lot
now
you're
allowed
to
which
I
think
is
illegal-
to
zone
one
property
like
that
so
now,
because
they
were
thinking
about
a
bank
and
trying
to
make
a
deal
with
chase
that
prohibition
is
removed.
Now
these
guys
are
coming
around
and
asking
for
I.
Think
a
bunch
of
variation
is
a
bunch
of
special
uses.
O
So
what
what
I'm
worried
about
is?
First
of
all
they're,
they
don't
seem
like
they
really
have
their
plan
figured
out,
yet
they
don't
have
a
lease
for
parking,
but
if
they
were
able
to
get
a
lease,
if
the
applicant
able
to
get
a
lease
and
use
some
of
sargent
spaces,
that
means
that
many
more
of
sarkis
customers
who
will
be
looking
for
a
place
to
park
and
there's
no
parking
on
girl's
point
a
very
limited
parking
on
Crawford
and
no
sidewalk
on
that
side
of
the
street.
O
A
A
O
It's
far
enough
from
my
house
that
I
didn't
I
didn't
comment
when
it
was
proposed.
Even
though
I
got
a
letter,
I
I
walked
by
it
and
I
Drive
by
it
and
I
think
it's
I.
It's
a
mess
on
their
cars,
often
backed
up
into
the
street.
Sometimes
I.
Try
to
drive
down
Central
Street
and
cars
have
waiting
trying
to
turn
in
and
blocking
central
and
I,
don't
like
seeing
people
pulling
out
into
the
street
with
a
coffee
in
one
hand
and
the
phone
in
the
other,
but
I.
O
Let
me
if,
if
you
don't
mind,
I
meant
to
say
a
few
things
sure,
contrary
to
what
the
architect
said,
I
looked
in
the
packet,
it
says
they
can
have
35
indoor
seats
and
thought
they
said
minimal
outdoor
seating,
so
I'm
not
sure
what
minimal.
But
that's
you
know
roughly
40
seats.
So
if
there's
one
car
for
two
customers,
that's
20
cars
plus
the
employees
and
they
got
four
spaces
other
than
a
da.
So
where
are
they
going
apart?
O
I
mean-
and
you
know
one
of
the
possibilities
that
I
see,
which
I
think
you
mentioned
yeah.
If
people
see
a
mess,
they
don't
go
there.
Then
the
place
goes
broke.
So
then,
in
a
couple
years
we've
got
a
building,
that's
gotten
all
these
variances
and
it's
an
existing
drive-through
fast
food
place
and
we
start
seeing
other
people
saying
hey.
What
can
we
do?
And
you
know
you
can't
tell
me:
I
can't
have
a
fast
food
here,
because
you
told
somebody
else
they
could.
O
So
that's
a
concern
and
another
really
big
concern
which
I
mentioned
in
the
letter
is.
It
seems
like
it's
kind
of
a
slippery
slope.
What's
going
to
happen,
is
there's
going
to
be
a
huge
lack
of
parking
and
the
Sarkis
and
or
Knicks
going
to
come
back
here
and
say?
Well,
our
customers
can't
park.
We
need
to
be
able
to
park
in
the
residential
lot
and
then
the
business
you
know
one
way
or
another
starts
in
coaching
into
the
residential
lot.
So
it
only
hit
a
couple
of
points.
If
you
don't
mind.
O
They
mentioned
the
packet
at
page
77
that
the
nearest
house
is
a
hundred
feet
away,
I'm,
not
sure
if
that's
exactly
accurate,
but
that's
because
there's
a
there's
a
vacant
lot
and
the
owner
of
the
vacant
residential
lot
has
been
holding
out
for
a
high
price
because
he
wants
to
rezone
it.
So
he
bought
a
lot
years
ago
with
a
house
on
it
and
demolished
the
house
and
started
trying
to
get
into
a
business
development
asking
much
more
money
than
what
had
been
worth
with
the
house.
O
So
you
know
it's
I,
don't
think
it's
fair
to
assume
that
there's
not
going
to
be
a
house.
There
should
be
a
house
there,
but
if
you've
got
these
semi
trucks
coming
in
blocking
the
alley
and
you've
got
a
speaker
there
on
the
idea
that
there's
no
house
there
it's
going
to
make
it
even
less
likely
than
anybody's
going
to
put
a
house
there
I
think
because
he
knows
you
guys
go
by
standards
and
maybe
I
should
address
the
standards
a
little
bit.
O
C
Me
just
quickly,
let
me
just
quickly
I
think.
You've
made
some
really
good
points
so
as
this
board
we're
not
parking
enforcement,
so
we
can't
deal
with
illegal
parking,
but
what
we
can
do
to
the
extent
we
believe
the
standards
are
met,
is
condition
the
approval
of
the
special
use
requested
on
conditions
that
would
affect
the
employee
parking,
certainly,
and
that
would
prohibit
employees
from
using
from
using
residential
parking
and
we
can
impose
conditions
that
control
how
the
trucks
use
the
alley.
How
and
when
the
trucks
use
the
alley.
C
O
Called
they
don't
deal
with
parking
in
the
private
lot.
I
did
speak
to
Melissa
Klotz
about
this
recently
and
she
said
it
would
take
months
to
enforce
anything,
but
they
can
try.
I
also
know
from
personal
experience
that
the
police
and
the
parking
services
are
very
reluctant
to
do
anything
when
it's
around
a
business
and
I'll.
O
Just
give
you
an
example:
I
don't
know
if
you
ever
go
by
Green,
Bay
and
Livingston
there's
a
body
shop,
you
can
go
by
any
day
and
there's
many
smashed
up
cars
on
the
Parkway
and
there's
never
a
ticket
I
went
by
there.
Yesterday
they
were
towing
cars,
the
police
were
towing
cars
off
the
street
because
of
street
cleaning
and
completely
ignoring
the
cars
on
the
Parkway.
So
I
know
that
you
know
trying
to
get
the
police
to
do
anything
when
there's
business
as
well
is
very
difficult.
O
Maybe
zoning
could
do
something
about
the
residential
lot,
but
if
this
place
goes
in,
it's
just
going
to
make
the
problem
much
worse,
and
even
if
you
say
that
none
of
their
customers
and
none
of
their
employees
can
part
illegally
or
on
the
street.
That
just
means
that
all
of
sarkis
customers
are
going
to
be
parking
illegally
and
on
the
street,
so
well
parking.
C
Is
it
is
an
economic
problem
right,
so
there's
a
number:
it's
an
economic
utilization
problem,
there's
a
limited
number
of
parking
spaces
and
to
the
point
that's
been
discussed,
people
either
will
they
will
decide
that
it's
economically
rational
to
wait
or
fight
for
a
parking
space
or
they'll
go
somewhere
else
where
they
can
park?
So
there's
not
there's
not
unlimited
overflow
for
parking
people,
people.
If
customers
don't
have
a
space
to
park,
they're
going
to
go
somewhere
else.
Well,.
O
A
B
If
a
future
restaurant
were
to
locate
at
this
property,
it
would
require
at
the
minimum
a
substitution
of
special
use,
which
is
an
administrative
process
that
is
determined
by
the
Zoning
Administrator.
It
does
include
a
public
notice
that
goes
out
to
all
property
owners
within
500
feet,
and
it
includes
the
ability
to
add
conditions
or
change
conditions
that
are
in
that
would
be
in
this
current,
especially
use
permit.
B
So
there
is
a
process
for
it
and
it
we
do
have
the
ability
to
deny
it
or
modify
it
if
necessary,
or
if
a
new
potential
restaurant
came
in
that
was
substantially
different.
Then
it
may
not
be
appropriate
for
a
substitution
of
special
use,
and
in
that
case
it
would
start
over
with
a
new
process
just
like
this,
which
would
again
come
to
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
and
then
City
Council
Melissa.
E
B
Would
ultimately
depend
on
their
details
typically
would
go
with.
That
is
a
type
2
restaurant,
which
is
also
what
NYX
is
requesting.
Therefore
it
could
do
the
substitution,
but
if
there
were
some
details
that
that
the
Zoning
Administrator
were
to
determine
our
substantially
different
prints
if
it
were
open,
24
hours,
that
may
be
enough
of
a
difference
that
we
would
instead
go
to
the
Zoning,
Board
and
City
Council.
O
You
know
we
had
the
same
discussion
last
time
about
the
bank,
that
is
it.
Some
of
the
older
men
were
saying
and
I
think
some
of
it
is
ABA
members
yeah.
We
were
removing
the
prohibition
on
a
drive-thru,
we're
talking
about
a
bank
project
they
couldn't
automatically.
You
know
people
were
asking
well
what
if
McDonald's
wants
to
go
in
there?
Well,
they
can't
just
take
over
that
automatically
get
a
drive-through,
but
it's
it
has
made
it
more
likely.
We
removing
that
prohibition
has
encouraged
us
to
get
to
this
point.
If.
E
O
The
biggest
issue,
honestly,
is
that
the
project
that
they
want
to
put
in
there
is
too
big
for
the
size
of
the
lot
and
I
think
they
pretty
much
said
that
up
here,
if
you're
going
to
have
40
seats
and
four
parking
places-
and
you
know
and
then
discussing
the
exits
and
entrances
I
think
the
architect
and
they
referred
a
few
times
to
the
size
of
a
lot.
You
know
it
and
it's
it's
own
b-1a.
O
A
O
A
O
O
O
O
O
Eighth
grade,
if
you
wouldn't
mind,
okay,
so
I
know
that
you
go
by
standards
and
I
noticed.
One
of
them
is
about
a
particular
as
a
particular
peculiarities,
or
something
like
that
of
the
lot
that
there
has
to
be
something
peculiar
about
the
lot
and
there's
nothing
peculiar
about
this
law.
It's
a
very
square,
normal
corner
lot,
it's
just
not
as
big
as
what
they
would
like
to
have.
Well,
so
they
don't
need
that
standard.
O
Another
sorry
another
standard
is
that
it
does
not
diminish
the
value
of
nearby
property,
and
their
answer
to
that
was.
It
increases
the
value
of
this
lot
because
it's
vacant,
but
I,
don't
think
the
question
was
about
their
lot.
It's
about
nearby
property
and
obviously
having
drive-through
fast
food.
Restaurant
is
not
good
for
the
value
of
nearby
residential
property.
That's
probably
why
it's
not
generally
allowed
in
this
overlay
district.
O
All
I
also
want
says
something
about
a
negative.
There
shouldn't
be
a
negative
cumulative
effect
and
between
Sarkis
and
hotdogs
I'll
enhance
Starbucks,
but
mainly
between
Sarkis,
and
this
on.
You
know.
You've
got
two
restaurants,
but
neither
one
has
anywhere
near
enough
parking,
so
that
is
a
negative
cumulative
effect,
and
then
they
said
that
this
design
was
made
for
this
lot
and
wouldn't
work
at
any
other
location.
But
I
was
at
the
dapper
meeting
last
weekend
and
the
mr.
O
Brittain
I
believe
said
that
they
plan
to
open
500
businesses
in
the
next
two
or
three
years,
and
so
tarts
believe
that
this
is
a
really
unique,
unique
design.
It's
not
going
anywhere
else.
If
they're
going
to
open
500
businesses,
they
need
to
come
up
with
a
design
that
they
can
use
over
and
over.
So
I
really
don't
think
they
need
the
standards.
I.
O
Also,
don't
think
that
they're
that
they're
ready
they
I,
don't
think
they
should
even
have
been
here,
because
they
don't
have
a
lease
I,
also
notice
in
the
packet
they're
supposed
to
have
information
about
the
corporation
that
owns
the
property,
the
shareholders.
None
of
that
is
in
there
there's
no
proof
of
ownership.
They
just
basically
aren't
ready
I.
G
A
Long
time
so
I
appreciate,
we
appreciate
all
of
your
input
and
your
concerns.
We
just
have
other
people,
and
so
we
do
need
shortly
at
Savannah
q.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Anyone
else
I
encourage
you
to
be
much
shorter.
Please
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
start
putting
time
limits.
I
got
five
minutes.
I,
don't
think.
I'll
need
one
fantastic,
much.
P
Name
and
address,
my
name
is
Megan
lutes
and
I
live
at
2637,
Crawford
Avenue,
which
is
on
the
same
side
of
this
Crawford
as
this
it
in
the
second
adjacent
residential
property.
It's
the
house,
that's
listed
as
the
closest
residence
since
our
neighbor's
house
was
torn
down
for
about
a
hundred
feet
away
and
I'm.
The
one
who
sent
the
letter
about
asking
for
conditions
about
noise,
not
going
off
the
lot
so
I
mean
I,
realize
we're
pretty
far
away
and
they're
going
to
put
up
a
fence.
P
But
our
house
is
two
stories
and
our
bedrooms
on
that
side
of
the
house
and
I
feel
like
they
are
asking
for
a
lot,
and
so
I
would
like
to
have
some
kind
of
enforceable
condition
attached
to
their
drive
through
permit,
so
that
you
know
they
are
held
to
not
having
any
noise
come
off
the
property
from
the
speaker's
from
the
drive
through
so,
and
there
is
a
precedence
for
that.
There
are
found
ordinances
like
there
was
a
Walgreens
that
went
in
in
1997.
P
At
dodging
mean
that
was
a
rezoning
from
a
residential
property,
and
there
were
conditions
that
said
they
wouldn't
serve.
Customers,
if
they
were
blaring
music
from
their
car
and
also
the
volume
had
to
be
at
normal
speaking
volume
for
any
speakers
on
that
property.
So
I
would
like
to
see
something
like
that
added
to
this,
just
because
not
just
protection
for
us,
but
protection
for
potential
neighbors,
who
may
only
be
across
a
16-foot
alley
in
the
future
on
that
residential
property.
P
That
was
kind
of
my
main
concern
before
coming
here,
but
I
read
through
the
packet
and
it
seems
like
things
that
are
in
the
packet,
have
been
changing
and
have
gotten
a
little
bit.
Loosey-Goosey
and
I
do
appreciate
your
questions
that
you're
asking
about
traffic
traffic
flow
parking
and
business
viability.
P
I.
Think
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
really
really
need
to
look
at
this
drive-thru
special
use
is
because,
as
Josh
stated,
this
is
the
only
property
one
address
is
listed
and
that's
been
changed
by
ordinance
in
the
Central
Street
master
plan
that
was
adopted
in
the
late
2000s,
and
you
had
asked
about
the
Starbucks.
The
Starbucks
went
in
place
and
I'm
also
a
board
member
of
Central
Street
neighbor's
Association,
which
is
the
group
that
was
instrumental
in
implementing
the
Central
Street
master
plan
and
getting
it
adopted
by
the
City
Council.
P
The
reason
why
drive
throughs
were
removed
through
them
from
the
master
plan
is
because
of
that
Starbucks.
It's
because
in
the
morning
you
say
people
go
of
elsewhere.
If
go
there
for
coffee
on
a
weekday
morning
and
you'll
see
what
it
does
to
the
traffic
all
around
that
intersection.
It's
a
constant
topic
of
discussion
on
the
health
side,
neighbors
message
board
on
you
know:
people
who
are
living
the
neighborhood
have
cells
on
Crawford
who
live
east
on
Central
who
live.
You
know
in
that
whole
area.
P
It
really
messes
up
to
traffic,
because
cars
are
turning
in
cars
are
turning
out.
Cars
are
blocking
the
street
traffic
as
they're
trying
to
get
in
and
out,
and
it's
that
way
every
day,
so
that
people
don't
avoid
a
business
just
because
it's
going
to
be
a
little
inconvenient,
it's
more.
If
you
build
it,
they
will
come
and
they're
coming
and
they
still
come
because
they
don't
want
to
get
out
of
their
cars,
so
they're
getting
Starbucks
there.
P
So
I
think
that's
why
we
need
to
look
a
lot
more
closely
at
this
drive-thru
and
then
just
a
couple
other
things
that
sort
of
came
up
in
this
if
they
are
leasing
spaces
from
sarkis.
Where
are
those
spaces,
because
in
the
packet
it
says
those
spaces
are
going
to
be
to
the
east
of
Sarkis
and
to
the
east
of
circuses,
Grosse
Pointe
Road,
so
do
they
mean
West?
Do
they
mean
North?
P
A
You
know
you
know
the
whole
neighborhood
can
get
together
and
all
agree
to
get
a
50%
to
pay
for
the
paving
of
an
alley.
So
my
guess
is:
if
they
wanted
to,
they
would
pay
for
some
components
of
the
alley
that
happened
with
Northwestern
when
they
needed
to
take
over
some
of
the
when
they
were
negotiating
with
their
neighbors,
and
so
they
offered
to
pay
for
a
portion
of
that
alley.
A
P
Wear
it.
Okay!
All
right!
Well,
then,
be
good.
If
you
guys
want
to
get
us
a
paved
alley
just
a
little
bit,
because
I
can
tell
you
it's
really
steep
yeah
I
urge
you
guys
would
go
by
there
and
look
at
it's
really
steep.
So
in
the
winter
cars
get
stuck
in
there,
trying
to
get
out
onto
Crawford
and
earlier
we're
trying
to
get
up
out
of
there.
P
It's
in
really
bad
shape,
so
paved
alley
would
be
good
as
long
as
there's
no
like
quid-pro-quo
that
it's
their
alley
or
they
get
they're
going
to
get
a
vacation
for
it
for
the
city
vacating
that
alley
in
exchange
for
paving
it
or
that
it's
going
to
cross
into
the
residential
property.
So
that's
kind
of
where
the
battle
lines
are
for
the
for
us
and
for
a
lot
of
the
neighborhood
is
nothing
goes
across
the
alley.
Nothing
goes
into
residential
and
that's
five
minutes.
P
Okay,
let
me
just
like
two
other
things:
okay,
so
the
packet
says
they're
going
to
be
open
from
7
a.m.
to
8
p.m.
today
they
said
6
a.m.
to
8
p.m.
so
what's
involved
in
getting
ours
changed
for
business.
Can
they
say
this
is
their
hours
now
and
then
say
later
they're
going
to
be
open
till
11:00?
So
the
answer
is
no.
P
P
Yeah
because
I
mean
7:00
a.m.
to
8:00
p.m.
so
I'm
like
okay,
that
seems
okay,
but
I.
Just
don't
want
it
to
now-now
like
things
are
shifting
so
and
then
the
deliveries
in
the
alley.
The
packet
does
say
that
most
of
the
deliveries
are
going
to
be
happening
near
there.
When
of
there
the
dumpster
there
trash
can
well
I.
Think
it's
on
you're
there,
the
stairs
to
there
condiment
room
or
something
like
that,
which
is
on
the
front
side
of
the
building
on
the
Grosse
Pointe
side.
P
P
Okay,
so
conditions
I
would
like
to
see
and
I
know
how
do
we
get
them
is
on
speaker,
noise,
truck
deliveries,
timing
and
location
and
also
parking,
no
employee
parking
on
residential
streets.
They
have
to
secure
some
other
kind
of
offsite
parking
to
offset
either
where
their
employees
are
going
to
be
or
customers,
and
we
are
going
to
be
trying
to
work
with
the
city
to
enforce
people
not
parking
illegally
on
the
residential
lot.
That's
there
now.
F
A
Q
3307
Central
Street,
thank
you
and
so
I
do
agree
with
some
of
the
comments
that
were
already
said,
I'd
like
to
add
a
couple
more
things.
First
of
all,
I
really
support
an
organic
restaurant
opportunity
so
kudos
for
that.
But
I
do
think,
there's
a
lot
of
irony
that
it's
a
drive-through
organic,
so
you're
driving
to
be
healthy
and
there's
something
kind
of
weird
about
that.
Q
Not
enough
landscape.
There's,
a
huge
Parkway
and
I
didn't
say
anything
about
the
landscaping
and
my
really
big
complaint
about
the
whole
intersection.
There
I
lived
there
now
about
six
years
and
the
whole
intersection
really
lacks
landscaping.
It's
predominantly
the
lack
is
at
the
CVS
lot.
Of
course,
I.
Q
Our
problem
I
just
want
to
point
out
that
my
observation
of
people
delivering
for
Subway
and
Starbucks
the
delivery
trucks.
They
don't
fool
around
with
trying
to
turn
they
pull
in
as
quick
and
easy
as
they
can,
especially
these
big
semi
tractor-trailer
trucks.
They
will
just
pull
in
wherever
they
can
or
they
on
Central
Street.
They
just
stop
on
Central
Street.
They
leave
their
cars
or
big
trucks.
Q
Idling,
for
as
long
as
it
takes
could
be
20
minutes
same
thing
happens
in
CVS
parking
lot,
but
they're
in
the
lot,
but
still
they
idle
their
trucks
for
20
minutes.
We
do
call
the
police
that
please
come
it
works
for
about
two
months
and
then
they're
back
to
the
same
old
thing,
so
it's
very
hard
to
get
enforcement,
so
I
don't
know
how
they
could
handle
that
any
better.
Q
Let's
see
just
going
through
my
thoughts
here.
Basically,
those
are
my
comments.
I
think
any
additional
help
towards
so
much
pavement
to
be
an
impervious
type
of
a
pervious
type
of
pavement
would
be
appreciated.
It
just
looks
like
a
lot
of
pavement
on
the
already
needing
landscaping
environment
there.
So
those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there.
A
R
R
R
We
went
through
quite
a
battle
several
years
back
when
Chase
Bank
started
out
big
and
very
embarrassed
with
three
lots
and
the
two
years
and
a
lot
of
efforts
before
they
finally
scaled
back
to
now
or
at
the
time
to
that
gas
station
lot
went
on
leaks
is
proposing
I'm
just
glad
that
they
started
within
the
confinement
of
the
space.
That's
actually
there
if
they're,
first
trying
to
outgrow
and
then
come
back.
It's
probably
saved
a
couple
of
years
of
everyone's
time.
A
R
But
if
you
just
were
to
review
how
sarkis
is
taking
their
deliveries,
that
might
be
a
separate
issue
that
you
address
with
sakis
and
perhaps
but
assume
how
they
do.
It
learned
it
on
to
your
business.
I
would
encourage
that
discussion
aside
from
the
parking
all
the
things
that
I
can
only
do
this
if
I'm
allowed
to
look
at
my
coffee,
I
have
three
minutes.
R
As
far
as
noise
is
concerned,
I
think
that
is
something
that
should
be
given
that
both
the
committee
and
the
business
be
encouraged
to
to
work
within
the
restrictions
of
some
north
considerations.
That
would
limit
the
sound
systems
to
be
so
that
they're
audible
only
within
the
lot
of
the
drive-through,
both
for
the
pickup
window
and
and
foot
both
for
the
ordering
window
and
the
pickup
window,
and
in
that
regard,
I
just
want
to
point
out
the
vacant
residential
lot,
just
north
of
there
I
call
it
North.
R
Some
would
say
Northwest,
that
is
that
warehouse
still
sitting
there
by
the
willow
tree
that
still
there,
then
that
would
be
within
maybe
more
like
30
feet.
So
just
because
the
house
has
been
torn
down
would
mean
that
if
you
pretend,
from
from
a
distance
perspective,
a
real
house
built
back
up
to
the
way
it
was
the
Peterson
plumbing
house
was
there
for
years.
That
would
mean
that
they
had
to
work
carefully
with
audible
restrictions
and
I.
Don't
think
that's
really
a
technical
issue
that
can't
be
handled.
R
It's
just
need
to
be
guided
upon
that's
my
time,
so,
whereas
where's
the
gong
show
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
A
E
M
That
was
a
lot
of
questions,
we'll
try
and
address
them
as
much
as
we
can
first
things.
First,
mr.
Hubbard
I,
honestly
I
think
you
might
have
made
a
better
case
than
anyone
why
that
should
be
a
parking
lot
on
the
other
side
of
the
alley.
Honestly,
but
as
far
as
parking
goes,
if
you
look
at
it
right
now,
sar
case
is
the
only
thing
that
is
on
that
site.
M
Whitson
is
considered
the
site
and
knows
what
he's
doing
to
plan
to
open
a
business
there.
So
I
think
you're
speculating
quite
a
bit
of
what
will
will
not
happen
with
this
restaurant
and
as
far
as
the
the
speaker
for
the
menu
board.
Again,
this
is
the
least
offensive
place
that
we
could
put
it
it's
facing
inside
the
site
and
towards
a
wall
that
has
zero
windows
or
anything
else,
and
certainly
we
will
submit
whatever
is
necessary
to
show
that
the
noise
levels
will
be
kept
to
a
minimum.
M
It's
it's
channeled
towards
the
person
who
is
driving
and
placing
an
order.
It's
not
something
that
is
spread
across
the
entire
site,
which
just
uncontrollably,
but
certainly
we
can
provide
that.
And
yes,
the
deliveries
will
be
difficult
to
make,
but
I
think
mr.
Brittain
has
already
mentioned
that
we're
willing
to
work
with
whatever
we
can
to
make
it
work
with
the
existing
conditions,
with
the
alley
with
the
drive-thru
too,
to
have
as
little
disturbance
as
possible
to
the
neighborhood.
M
E
M
Yes,
we
had
a
bit
more
for
when
we
were
placing
more
tables
on
the
outside
and
it
was
quite
congested,
so
I
think
we're
hoping
for
maybe
12
to
16
people
on
the
outside.
At
best,
maybe
like
4
or
4
tops.
There
is
a
bar
on
the
ground
floor,
which
would
be
maybe
like
10,
11
people
or
so,
and
then
there's
reduced
the
tables
on
the
inside,
to
maybe
8
or
so
on
the
ground
floor
and
to
look
at
it
and
then
the
mezzanine
reduced.
Quite
a
bit.
M
You
see,
there's
like
six
chairs
right
now
on
the
top
and
we're
planning
to
add
an
office.
Maybe
do
some
shifting
around
so
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
be
the
40
witching
which
counted
for
everyone
sitting
inside
and
out
at
the
same
time.
So
we're
significantly
under
that
we
just
don't
have
a
solid
number
yet,
but
we're
reducing
the
tables
looks
too
congested
and.
E
N
Construction
outside
of
this
particular
lot,
we've
already
purchased
this
one.
Oh
thank.
E
N
This
will
be
an
owned
building.
So
I
know
that
there
are
some.
You
know
some
some
issues
with
you
know
what
happens
if
the
business
goes
under,
we'll
own
everything,
so
heaven
forbid
that
happens,
we're
committed
to
making
it
work.
So
if
it
takes
one
year,
it'll
take
one
year.
If
it
takes
three
years,
you
know
we'll
find
the
money
to
do
it,
so
nobody
really
has
to
worry
about
it.
A
restaurant
sitting
vacant
for
any
period
of
time,
so.
N
F
C
A
C
N
A
E
N
Well,
I've
grown
up
in
the
area.
You
know,
I
grew
up
in
Evanston,
moved
to
Columbia,
so
I
know
the
area
quite
well.
I
also
know
that
it's
really
the
only
drives
through
outside
of
you
know
the
majority
to
drive
throughs
in
Skokie.
You
know
that's
nearby,
so
Evanston
Skokie
Wilmette,
you
know,
can
all
come
up
and
eat
organic
food.
Not
only
that,
but
it's
a
perfect
size
lot
for
something.
That's
very
quaint
and
small
and
again
we're
not
looking
to
be
a.
N
C
C
C
N
Our
truck
drivers
are
pretty
nice,
but
we
have
a
very
tight
squeeze
as
well.
If
you
look
at
our
rolling
meadows
plan,
our
setback
is
quite
a
lot.
They
have
to
make
a
huge
right
turn
and
have
to
go
it's
it's
tough
for
them
as
well,
but
they
make
it
work
and
the
business
makes
them
do
it
so
that
they
can
make
the
delivery
make
the
drop,
but
we'll
figure
it
out.
However,
we
need
to
do
it
to
make
it
work,
we'll
make
it
work
and
maybe
I
can
get
a.
F
A
A
E
Love
the
business
concept
I
will
be
a
customer
of
your
business.
If
you
are
here
in
Evanston
I
am
your
target
market
I?
My
biggest
concern
is
the
deliveries.
I
think
that
some
of
these
other
issues-
you
know
the
the
speaking
volume
you
know,
sort
of
the
noise
and
light
pollution.
I
think
that
you
guys
have
you
know,
address
rather
thoughtfully,
given
given
the
sight,
I
think
the
deliveries
are
going
to
be
the
biggest
issue
to
handle.
E
C
Agree
completely,
that's
my
biggest
concern
also,
but
I
I
do
believe.
I
think
it's
telling
that
the
neighbor
that
I
apologize,
sir
I,
don't
didn't
catch
your
name,
but
no
I.
Think
it's
telling
that
the
neighbor
that
raised
the
suggestion
that
they
speak
to
Sarkis
about
how
those
deliveries
are
taken
specifically
said.
He
couldn't
say
how
Sarkis
takes
their
deliveries,
which
means
it's
being
done
in
some
way.
That's
not
obtrusive
to
the
neighborhood
well
to
the
neighbor.
That
spoke
he's
unaware
of
how
those
deliveries
are
made.
That's
my
two
cents
on
that.
C
C
It's
a
it
certainly
may
add.
It
certainly
will
is
a
use
that
will
involve
traffic
and,
however,
my
my
personal
view
is
that
the
economics,
the
microeconomics
of
the
limited
number
of
parking
spaces,
will
work
itself
out
and
people
will
not
come
to
the
restaurant
if
they
have
no
place
to
park
unless
they
intend
to
just
drive
through,
which
is
the
business
model
of
the
restaurant.
C
To
begin
with,
I
also
think
that
the
other
issues
can
be
accommodated
through
condition,
recommended
conditions
for
the
special
use,
requested
and
I
think
it
seems,
like
this
applicant,
in
my
judgment,
seems
willing
and
wanting
to
work
with
the
neighborhood
to
try
to
install
a
business
that
you're
happy
with
and
so
I
have
faced.
That
can
happen
and,
in
my
view,
between
the
applicants,
seemingly
honest
intentions
and
our
ability
to
impose
recommended
conditions
that
the
project
seems
like
a
good
use
of
a
space
that
needs
something
I.
E
Would
just
add
to
what
you're
saying
Scott
I
thought.
It
was
interesting
to
note
when
the
project
team
reminded
me
that
the
former
youth
here
was
in
fact
a
gas
station,
so
you
know
which
would
likely
have
a
lot
more
confusing
and
chaotic
circulation.
You
know
on
the
street
and
exiting
the
site,
whereas
you
know
the
circulation
is
proposed
on
this
site,
you
know
is
orderly
and
I.
Think
it's
been
thought.
E
A
H
A
A
So
your
your
willingness
to
modify
the
plan
and
to
make
changes
to,
for
example,
remove
one
of
the
variances
I
think
is
a
really
good
thing.
I
appreciate
that
sort
of
effort
on
your
behalf
on
our
behalf
of
getting
that
out
of
this
situation
and
I
do
think
that
the
way
that
the
current
ingress
and
egress
is
laid
out
is
is
the
best
option
for
that
lot.
I
happen
to
believe
in
micro
economics
as
well,
and
I
really
think
that
you
know.
A
If,
if
there's
not
enough
parking,
nobody
will
stop
there
and
with
any
luck,
that's
the
way
it'll
be
in.
That
will
get
you
your
1.2
million,
because
I
want
you
to
be
successful.
I
don't
want
an
empty
building
there
for
I
mean
don't
want
an
empty
lot
for
the
next
10,
so
I
think.
That's
all
so
I
think.
That's
good,
so
I
appreciate
your
efforts
on
that
on
that
in
that
direction.
F
A
C
C
A
C
A
C
A
E
A
C
F
C
A
C
F
A
E
C
H
A
Would
not
even
it
would
be
best
if
there's
landscaping
opposite
the
speaker
to
absorb
it
rather
than
to
have
the
echo
chamber
happen
so,
to
the
extent
that
there's
space
in
the
floor
plan
and
I
can't
remember
in
the
site
plan,
it
would
be
best
to
get
a
screening
wall
there.
Some
nice
arborvitae
suck
up
the
sound.
A
A
How
about
operation
hours
I
forget,
you
said
breakfast
wasn't
huge
right.
So
do
you
want
you
don't
want
to
be
open
at
6:00,
am
16
so
early
in
that
neighborhood.
But
how
opens
how
was
starbucks
hours
with
subways
hours
Subway's
serving
breakfast
god
I
think
they
got
big
hours
they're
using
a
late
hours.
I
believe.
A
F
R
A
F
C
I
A
To
alright,
let's
go
down
these
standards.
Four
major
variations,
alright
number
one:
the
requestor
variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
youth
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
This
property
is
zoned
as
a
commercial
use,
and
so,
in
the
past,
its
had
a
life
as
a
as
a
gas
station,
which
is
certainly
a
much
more
intensive,
high-intensity
use
than
what
were
what
is
currently
being
proposed.
A
C
A
Noted
number
two:
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
is
to
is
again
to
allow
for
businesses
to
be
developed
and
to
create
a
vibrancy
in
the
neighborhoods
and
a
an
economic
base
for
neighborhoods,
and
so
I
think
that
getting
in
income
producing
property
in
taxpaying
use
on
that
lot
will
create
that.
So
I
think
that
this
isn't
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
three,
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
is
peculiar
to
this
property
for
the
variances.
A
The
hardship
here
is
that
it
is
a
smaller
lot
and
that
it
is
a
corner
lot
and
corner
Lots
are
notoriously
difficult
for
getting
ingress
and
egress,
and
so
the
variance
is
primarily
coming
up
because
of
getting
appropriate
parking
levels
on
the
front.
So
the
option
is
to
not
get
a
variance
for
that,
but
then
get
a
variance
on
parking
and
I
feel
that
it
is
substantially
more
important
to
get
parking
correct
rather
than
a
side
or
a
rear
yard.
A
lot
line
so
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
than
Matt
I
agree.
A
Number
four:
the
property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience.
It's
a
strict
letter
of
the
regulations
will
be
too
carried
out.
I,
don't
in
looking
at
the
plans,
there's
not
a
lot
of
fat
in
the
building
size
and
so
I.
Don't
believe
that
there's
a
way
to
reasonably
shrink
of
the
building
size
and
keep
the
parking
at
the
size
that
it
is
at
that's
necessary
for
it
to
be
usable
parking.
A
A
I
think
that
the
public
benefit
standard
applies
here,
and
this
goes
really
to
the
idea
of
a
public
benefit
to
that
property
being
developed
and
having
a
vibrant
economic
use
on
that
corner
versus
an
empty
lot,
and
so
I
do
believe
that
that
is
the
primary
public
benefit
in
addition
to
a
pretty
nice-looking
building.
That
will
have
a
good
amount
of
landscaping.
So
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property.
A
A
A
Been
moved
and
seconded
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye
opposed
with
a
vote
of
four
to
zero.
You
go
to
City
Council,
with
recommendation
for
your
major
variations.
We
will
now
consider
the
standards
for
special
use.
There
are
nine
of
those,
and
the
first
is:
is
it
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance
and
it
is
number
two?
Is
it
in
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
adapted,
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
as
amended
from
time
to
time?
A
As
mentioned
earlier
tonight,
the
purpose
of
the
comprehensive
general
plan
encourages
promoting
growth
and
redevelopment
to
strengthen
our
economic
base,
and
this
is
certainly
doing
that
by
creating
a
new
development
that
will
drive
the
business
to
the
area
and
drive
customers
to
the
area
and
drive
steal,
tax
growth
and
property
tax
growth
and
all
that
good
stuff.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
A
Three,
it
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
in
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
on
the
purpose
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
on
the
city
of
the
whole.
Now
there
is
a
fair
amount
of
type
to
restaurants
in
that
on
that
particular
corner,
given
that
and
that
there
is
a
lot
of
traffic
in
that
corner
already,
I,
don't
think
we're
causing
a
negative
cumulative
effect.
A
I
think
the
bulk
of
traffic
to
the
site
will
be
from
people
who
already
pass
through
that
through
that
corridor
and
that
intersection,
so
I
don't
see
that
there's
going
to
be
a
negative
cumulative
effect.
So
I
think
that
standard
has
been
mad.
Number
4
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
the
properties
in
the
neighborhood.
A
Given
that
this
is
a
a
commercial
zoned
commercial,
some
commercial
use
of
some
sort
was
going
to
go
in
this
location
in
any
in
any
case,
and
so
I
don't
think
that
the
use
being
commercial
is
going
to
diminish
the
value
of
the
properties
in
the
neighborhood
and
in
fact
the
vacant
land
diminishes
the
value
more
than
a
thriving
business
that
is
well
taken.
Care
of
so
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
five:
it
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
A
I,
don't
think
that
they're
they're,
causing
any
undue
strain
on
the
sewer
water
and
certainly
the
site
engineering
will
be
required
for
a
permit,
and
so
any
water
runoff
will
certainly
be
addressed.
So
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
six.
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion
based
on
the
documents
on
file
which
are
the
traffic
engineering
study
from
Walt
Hamilton.
A
The
anticipated
increase
in
traffic
in
the
area
is
very
limited
and
will
increase
traffic
in
the
net
in
those
intersections
by
roughly
I
think
it
was
18
to
21
seconds
or
something
like
that,
which
I
think
is
a
minor
inconvenience
for
the
benefit
of
having
that
economic
engine
in
that
corner.
So
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources
that
is
not
applicable
number
eight.
It
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
features.
I,
don't
think
that's
applicable
either
number
nine.
A
A
C
C
So
it
can
be
considered
a
plan
regarding
the
timing,
location
and
truck
turning
diagram
for
all
deliveries
that
will
be
made
timing,
location
and
a
truck
turning
diagram
that
City
Council,
approves
of
for
that
noise
emanating
from
the
drive
through
speakers
will
be
limited
to
a
speaking
level,
maximum
necessary
to
be
heard
from
a
car
speaking
into
or
conversing
with
this
person.
On
the
other
end
of
the
speaker,
5.
C
With
respect
to
the
lighting
that
the
building
lights
will
automatically
dim
after
business
hours
and
that
the
property
will
maintain
a
balance
of
lights,
that
provide
for
safety
on
the
property
at
night,
but
also
a
minimum
amount
of
light
pollution
to
the
neighborhood
and
six
that
the
property
otherwise
be
developed
in
accordance
with
the
documents
and
testimony
submitted.
I
have.
A
C
C
A
A
F
A
F
A
Time,
yeah,
okay,
I
think
we
can
probably
do
that.
I.
Think
their
next
meeting
is
a
joint
meeting
with
Planning
Commission,
so
I,
don't
think
we'll
do
it
there,
but
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
so
I
may
not
be
at
that
one.
If
it's
in
September
it
just
got
the
eyes
I
get
to
go
on
vacation,
don't
I
it
was.
It
was
both
and
aside
I.
It
was
all
free
of
on
at
once,
alright.
So
we're
going
to
move
that
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting
I.