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A
Good
evening
and
welcome
this
is
a
public
hearing
of
the
Zoning
Board
of
the
appeals
of
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
of
the
city
of
Evanston.
The
zoning
ordinance
directs
this
body
to
hear
applications
for
major
variations,
special
uses
and
appeals
from
decisions
of
the
Zoning
Administrator,
depending
on
the
type
of
matter.
This
board
will
either
make
a
final
determination
or
send
its
recommendation
to
City
Council
Mellisa.
We
call
the
roll
please.
C
A
D
A
With
five
people
we
do
have
a
quorum
tonight
also
present
tonight,
rezoning
planner,
Melissa,
Klotz
and
Planning
and
Zoning
Administrator
Scott
Mangum.
This
is
a
formal
meeting
and
there
are
rules
that
govern
our
proceedings.
Most
importantly,
only
one
person
speaks
at
a
time
so
that
all
testimony
may
be
accurately
recorded.
Anyone
who
wishes
to
address
the
board
regarding
any
matter
on
the
agenda
will
have
the
opportunity
to
do
so
at
the
appropriate
time.
A
Our
procedure
is
to
hear
from
the
staff
on
the
documents
file
and
then
receive
testimony
and
other
evidence
from
the
applicant
or
appellant
next.
Persons
who
wish
to
make
a
statement
regarding
the
matter
may
do
so
at
that
time,
any
person
with
a
legal
interest
in
property
located
within
500
feet
of
the
subject.
Property
may
present
evidence
reasonably
question
witnesses
or
seek
a
continuance
of
the
hearing.
When
all
supporting
and
opposing
testimony
and
statements
have
been
heard,
the
applicant
or
appellant
will
be
given
the
opportunity
for
rebuttal
or
a
closing
statement.
A
Then
the
board
will
close
the
record
and
begin
deliberations.
All
testimony
will
be
under
oath,
although
we
do
not
apply
the
strict
rules
of
evidence.
Please
limit
your
testimony
or
statements
you're,
not
to
your
personal
knowledge
when
you
address
the
board,
please
state
your
name
and
address
and
sign
in
on
the
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Our
meetings
are
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so
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All
proceedings
are
subject
to
broadcast
at
a
later
date.
A
Any
matter
not
concluded
at
tonight's
hearing
will
be
continued
to
our
next
regularly
scheduled
meeting.
There
are
four
items
on
the
agenda
tonight:
710
main
street
here
and
33
18
grants
and
a
whole
lot
of
addresses
on
Ashland
Payne
and
Dewey
and
Kedzie
okay.
So
everybody
is
here
since
can
I
have
anyone
who
is
going
to
speak
tonight?
Please
raise
your
right
hand.
A
D
A
F
Good
evening,
madam
chair
members,
the
board
members
of
the
public,
the
request
this
evening
is
for
a
special
use
permit
for
a
type
2
restaurant
reprise,
coffee
roasters
within
the
B
2
zoning
district
and
within
the
ODM
Dempster
main
overlay
district
city
staff
and
dapper
have
both
reviewed
this
request
and
are
recommending
approval
for
the
special
use
permit
enter
this
staff
report
along
with
attachments,
including
the
application
itself.
Business
summary
sustainability
practices
worksheet
apply
to
survey,
image
of
the
property
area,
Liu
the
property
zoning
map
and
the
dapper
meeting
minutes
excerpt.
F
A
G
Project
is
a
coffee
shop
cafe.
We
are
a
locally
roasted
coffee
cafe
provider
and
we
want
to
operate
between
Monday
to
Friday,
6
a.m.
to
7
p.m.
and
Saturday
and
Sunday
7
a.m.
to
6
p.m.
we're,
providing
locally
roasted
coffee,
sustainably
sourced
and
resale
of
items
such
as
bakery
and
wraps,
and
bowls
and
small
plates
like
that.
C
G
Everything
the
delivery
plan
is
we're.
Gonna
have
a
main
storage
downstairs
with
a
freezer,
but
our
bakery
could
be
kept
in
for
an
extended
period
of
time.
So
only
deliver
a
bakery.
Delivery
will
be
like
once
a
month,
they're
cutting
down
on
delivery
times
and
we'll
be
going
through
the
back
door
and
everything
will
be
delivered
to
Winnetka
and
distributed
out
from
there
or
if
it's
something
such
as
milk
will
be
delivered
once
a
week.
So
to
keep
everything
fresh
generally.
G
E
G
H
G
C
G
A
I
J
Evening
my
name's
Sean
schinsky
I'm
at
714,
Main
Street
I'm,
the
owner
of
Goods
of
Evanston,
so
in
addition
to
running
my
frame
shop,
I
also
own
the
building
that
Adam
will
be
moving
into,
so
he
will
be
a
tenant
of
mine,
assuming
this
project
moves
forward.
So
I'm
here
to
encourage
you
to
vote
for
the
project.
J
As
an
officer
I
was
part
of
the
TIF
Advisory
Committee
I've
also
was
on
the
committee
to
get
the
SSA
put
in
place,
so
I've
been
very
active
in
trying
to
do
things
to
keep
Main
Street
a
vibrant
area,
and
one
of
the
things
that
I've
done
I
think
has
the
most
impact
as
an
individual
is
I'm
very
selective
in
who
I
have
as
a
tenant
in
the
space,
and
so
the
space
was
empty
for
a
year
before
I
met
Adam
and
learned
about
his
plans.
I
said
no.
J
It
took
quite
a
few
people
before
I
said
yes
to
Adam,
because
I
think
that
our
neighbourhood
is
only
as
strong
as
the
collective
offering
of
what
we
have
and
in
fact
I
came
before
the
Zoning
Board
for
the
overlay
district.
I,
don't
know
if
we
folks
are
familiar
with
it
because
a
couple
years
ago,
but
to
prevent
office
use
in
retail
spaces,
because
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
good
retail
businesses.
So
the
his
product
is
phenomenal,
so
I
think
the
folks
in
the
neighborhood
would
really
enjoy
it.
I've
asked
my
customers.
J
What
would
you
like
to
see
here
and
quite
often
they
say
a
coffee
shop
because
for
all
the
coffee
on
the
other
side
of
Chicago
Avenue,
but
there's
really
not
much
for
commuters
traveling
from
the
West
and
the
other
thing.
I
think
that
it's
gonna
do
for
the
neighborhood.
Is
it's
gonna
provide
a
social
hub
that
we're
lacking,
so
people
during
the
day
will
have
a
place
that
they
can
congregate.
J
A
K
Good
evening,
I'm
Ellen
price
and
my
family
owns
the
property
from
700
to
700
eight
maids,
so
we
have
all
the
property
to
the
east
of
where
this
coffee
shop
would
go
and
we
have
been
active
landlords
on
that
street
since
1999
and
our
philosophy
has
always
been
to
find
good
businesses
that
will
bring
street
traffic
and
the
right
kind
of
clientele
people
who
will
enjoy
the
experience
of
being
on
Main
Street
and
we
I
think
what
we
really
need
is
a
facility
that
will
bring
more
street
traffic
to
Main,
Street
and
I.
K
Think
this
would
be
an
excellent
contributor
to
that.
So
I
would
be
very
much
in
favor
of
this
kind
of
enterprise
and
I
hope
that
you'll
cooperate
and
provide
the
rezoning
variation
to
do
that
and
I've
also
been
president
of
the
Main
Street
merchants.
That
was
president
for
five
years,
and
it's
it's
so
so
wonderful
to
see
with
the
Main
Street
dempster
organization,
the
SSA,
we're
finally
gaining
the
momentum
and
the
full
time
commitment
to
improving
the
commercial
health
of
that
district.
I
think
this
will
also
enhance
that.
A
You
is
there
anyone
else
last
call
all
right.
Mr.
paronto
did
you
want
to
have,
did
you
have
anything
final
you'd
like
to
say,
or
you
don't
have
to
it's
okay,
but
if
you'd
like
to
feel
free
to
come
up
and
say
something,
okay,
great!
Thank
you
very
much
and
with
that
we
will
close
the
record
and
thoughts
from
the
board.
This.
C
Is
a
garden-variety
special
use,
application
of
the
type
that
we
regularly
grant
with
conditions,
and
this
seems
like
to
me
a
an
excellent
project
for
a
neighborhood
that
seems
to
have
unanimous
support
from
the
business
owners
from
that
neighborhood
that
came
to
speak
tonight,
so
I
think
we're.
They
are
in
agreement
with
me
that
this
would
be
a
good
addition
to
the
neighborhood
and
I.
Do
think
the
point
that
the
other
neighbors,
the
other
business
neighbors
made
about
increasing
foot
track.
Foot
traffic
to
this
side
of
Main
Street
is
really
well
taken.
H
A
E
A
Okay,
so
everybody
into
that
fantastic,
let's
go
through
these
standards.
There
are
nine
standards
for
a
special
use
number
one.
It's
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zoning
ordinance.
It
is
so
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
two,
it's
in
keeping
with
the
purposes
and
policies
of
the
adopted,
comprehensive
general
plan
and
the
zoning
ordinance
as
amended
from
time
to
time.
A
Some
of
the
goals
of
the
Comprehensive
Plan
are
to
retain
and
enhance
of
diversity
of
businesses
in
areas
and
desirable
locations
of
economic
activity,
and
this
is
certainly
one
of
those
areas.
One
of
the
other
goals
is
to
promote
growth
and
redevelopment
to
strengthen
our
economic
base
and
certainly
getting
a
vacant
storefront
again
occupied
and
then
with
good
foot.
Traffic
is
a
key
component
of
what
we're
looking
to
do
in
evanston
to
strengthen
the
economic
base,
so
that
standard
has
certainly
been
that
number
three.
A
It
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
in
the
immediate
neighbourhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
upon
the
city.
As
a
whole,
this
is
I
think
one
of
the
only
special
uses
on
the
west
side
thereof,
main
so
I
do
I,
don't
believe
that
there
will
be
any
negative
cumulative
effect
in
this
particular
part
of
the
neighborhood
number
four.
It
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood.
A
In
fact,
it
will
obviously
increase
the
value
of
property
and
increase
the
value
of
property
in
the
neighborhood,
because
there
won't
be
an
empty
storefront
anymore
and
there
will
be
good
coffee.
So
there's
that
so
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
five:
it
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
It's
certainly
close
to
both
the
Metra
and
the
CTA
lines
and
is
can
be
reached
by
bus,
but
bus
routes
as
well
I
think
there's
a
divvy
stop
over
there.
A
So
there's
certainly
plenty
of
public
facilities
and
services
in
the
neighborhood,
so
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
six.
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
I
think
that
a
little
little
congestion
would
actually
be
pretty
good
on
that
section
of
the
street
getting
in
more
people
into
the
neighborhood,
and
why
up
and
down
the
sidewalks
and
going
into
the
other
businesses
would
be
a
great
thing.
So
I
think
that
that
standard
has
been
met
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources
which
isn't
applicable
and
number
eight.
A
A
C
I
move
in
the
matter:
710
Main,
Street
numbers,
EBA,
18,
zmj,
v
dash
zero,
zero,
five,
five
with
respect
to
again
the
property
at
710,
Main
Street
that
we
recommend
to
City
Council
that
the
special
use
permit
be
granted
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
that
hours
of
operation
be
limited
from
6:00
a.m.
to
10:00
p.m.
A
B
And
Marsha
Bickman
property
owners
apply
for
major
zoning
relief
to
enlarge
an
existing
1
car
garage
to
a
two-car
garage
in
the
r1
single-family
residential
district.
The
applicants
request
to
allow
32.1%
building
lot
coverage
where
30%
is
allowed.
Zoning
code
section
6,
8
to
7
a
rear
yard
setback
of
26.5
feet
where
a
minimum
of
30
feet
is
allowed
zoning
codes
six-eight
to
a
a
and
an
interior
side
yard
setback
of
0.8
to
feet
where
the
minimum
of
5
feet
is
allowed
sown
in
Code,
section
6
8
to
8
8.
B
The
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
is
the
determining
body
for
this
case.
Documents
included
as
part
of
the
record
include
variation
application,
submitted,
June
5th,
2018
zoning
analysis,
plaintiff
survey,
site
plans
and
elevations
1999
variation,
summary
image
of
property,
aerial
view
of
property,
zoning
map
of
property,
dapper
meeting
minutes,
excerpt
of
June
27th,
2018
and
dapper
draft
meeting
minutes
excerpt
of
July
11th
2018
Thank.
A
L
You
Deborah
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals,
my
name
is
Bernard
Citroen
I'm,
with
the
law
firm
of
Thompson
covered
I'm,
representing
the
victims
here
today.
Sending
us
next
to
me
is
mr.
miss
Marshall
Pittman,
who
is
one
of
the
owners
of
the
property.
We
have
a
couple
questions
or
I'm
trying
to
do
this.
Expedia
Slee
as
possible.
L
What
we're
seeking
to
do
is
this
is
an
this
was
an
existing
garage
as
a
testament
would
indicate
the
garage
was
there
when
the
victims
bought
the
property.
So
had
this
been
a
brand-new
garage
and
we
wouldn't
be
in
front
of
you
today,
because
we
know
we
would
meet
any
of
the
standards
to
try
to
put
a
garage
here
today.
L
So,
for
instance,
the
side
yard
setback
existed
when
the
victims
bought
the
property,
they
did
seek
a
variation
in
99,
not
to
move
the
garage
any
closer
to
the
side
yard
or
into
the
rear
yard,
or
to
add
any
psycho.
Well,
they
had
a
little
bit
of
site
coverage,
but
basically
to
connect
it
with
the
existing
home.
L
What
they're
seeking
to
do
today
is
to
slightly
expand
the
garage
and
you'll
hear
the
testimony
from
the
architect,
but
to
slightly
expand
a
garage,
take
it
from
a
one-car
garage
to
two-car
garage
and
that's
basically,
what
we're
seeking
to
do
today.
The
alternative
would
be
to
tear
down
the
garage
and
rebuild
it
brand
new,
while
someplace
into
the
rear
yard,
which
also
has
some
issues
with
this.
But
that's
what
the
alternative
would
be
other
than
just
the
slight
enlargement
that
we're
seeking
here
today
can.
L
L
N
N
N
N
L
L
Having
attached
garage
is
not
out
of
character
with
the
neighborhood,
yes
correct,
okay,
a
question
was
asked
by
one
of
the
commissioners
as
to
why
this
is
important
for
you
and
as
opposed
to
tearing
down
the
scratch
and
building
a
two-car
garage
in
the
rear
yard.
What
makes
this
more
than
just
a
convenient
type
of
situation?
One.
N
Of
the
reasons
is
that
Grant
Street
is
a
fairly
busy
street
and
it's
a
snow
route,
so
we
have
the
snow
route
in
the
winter
and
in
the
summer
months
we
have
the
street
cleaning.
So
we're
constantly
shuffling
cars
over
the
fourth
of
July
holiday.
We
were
out
of
town,
we
left
a
car
on
the
street,
we
got
a
ticket
that
happens
periodically
because
we
can't
keep
track
all
the
time.
So.
L
L
N
The
the
preferable
location
for
a
detached
garage
on
our
lot
would
be
on
the
southwest
corner
that
the
southwest
corner
is
where
the
garbage
trucks
go
around
the
corner
of
the
alley
and
they
cut
across
our
property
and
they
keep
like
cutting
that
corner
even
more
and
more
onto
our
property.
Abdulla.
N
L
N
L
L
In
order
to
you
know,
in
order
again,
if
you
had
to
to
tear
that
first
of
all,
would
it
be
a
hardship
for
you
to
have
to
tear
down
the
garage
a
zipper
and
put
up
a
brand
new
one
someplace
in
the
alley
where
all
we're
doing
is
a
slight
enlargement
of
the
garage?
Yes,
would
it
also
require
taking
up
part
of
a
usable
rear
yard
which
is
smaller
than
normal,
based
on
the
size
of
the
property?
L
N
N
L
N
N
L
We
understand
that
those
aren't
determinate
of
again
I
recognize
that
the
neighbors
are
not
determine
of
of
whether
the
standards
are
met
and
everything
else
I
think
the
point
is,
is
that
we
don't
have
eleven
people
here
or
any
people
here,
I,
don't
believe
or
objecting
to
the
variations
that
are
being
asked
for
all
over
the
fact
that
this
had
been
there.
This
garage
has
been
there
since
sometime
before
1993,
because
it
was
there
prior
to
the
victims
buying
the
property.
Is
there
anything
else,
this
victim?
L
A
A
L
L
N
M
C
N
N
N
A
A
O
L
O
L
L
O
L
O
L
A
O
A
So
can
I
ask
you
a
question
about
that
from
from
a
cost-effective
standpoint,
there's
a
point
at
which,
when
you're
underpinning
that
foundation,
it
becomes
cost
prohibitive
and
frankly,
it
seems
like
it
would
be
less
expensive
to
just
tear
down
the
garage
and
start
over,
because
if
you
build
a
detached
garage,
you
can
just
have
that
turned
down
slab.
That's.
O
I
L
O
There
was
a
concern
that,
because
of
the
location
of
the
building
to
the
alley,
they
were
concerned
that
they
didn't
want
additional
water
draining
into
the
alley
and
we
modified
the
roof
plan
so
that
we
could
have
a
continuous
gutter
along
the
west
edge
with
downspouts.
Then
that
will
come
out
to
a
French
drain
in
the
rear
yard,
as
well
as
we
removed
the
walkway
in
the
driveway
in
the
front
and
did
a
similar
installation
in
the
front
yard
so
that
any
water
that
would
be
coming
off
this
roof
would
be
maintained.
L
L
O
L
I
L
O
A
O
O
A
O
A
N
N
C
The
just
going
back
to
something
he
testified
earlier.
You
said
that
knocking
this
one
down
and
putting
it
in
a
compliant
location
would
cause
you
a
hardship.
I
understood
that
in
the
moment
to
mean
a
financial
hardship
is
it
was
I
misunderstanding
or
is
there
some
other
hardship
that
would
cause
you.
N
We'd
have
to
walk
outside
through
the
elements
to
get
to
the
garage
plus,
but
we're
the
we're
that
garage
will
be
placed.
We'd
have
to
walk
out
the
door
of
the
west
of
the
house,
walk
all
the
way
around
the
alley
to
get
to
the
house.
The
garage
on
the
opposite
end
of
the
property
and
the
only
way
to
get
there
in
the
yard
would
be
to
take
a
walk
way
and
make
it
diagonally
all
the
way
across
the
yard.
N
A
A
P
My
name
is
hello:
my
name
is
Phil
Vic
Minh
I'm,
also
the
owner
of
the
property
yeah.
So
we
don't
have
a
rear
door
on
our
house
and
so
to
get
to
a
garage.
So
that
is
a
difference
between
the
other
houses
that
you
see
in
the
neighborhood,
but
behind
us
or
to
the
side
of
us
we
would
have
to.
We
would
have
to
create
a
rear
door
to
go
to
our
garage
right
now.
P
P
I
A
I
Q
O
That
is
actually
the
only
natural
light
into
the
dining
room
space
on
that
west
side.
So
we
didn't
approach
it
from
extending
at
North.
It's
it's
a
narrow
space.
You
would
to
be
able
to
drive
into
the
into
the
garage
from
the
alley
and
have
enough
depth.
You
would
always
have
to
either
park
on
an
angle
or
park
parallel
or
perpendicular
to
Grand
Street,
there's
just
not
enough.
It's
only
like
11
feet
well,.
Q
The
second
question
that
I
have
is
in
this
configuration
which
dumbledore
from
an
alley
that
is
16
feet
wide.
Only.
How
will
you
guarantee
the
safety
of
exiting
the
garage,
because
you
know
that
Evans
knows
own
importance
requires
three
feet
usually
set
back
for
detached
garages,
because
air
is
a
usually
16
feet,
but
we
need
about
18
to
take
the
turn.
Okay,
in
this
case,
with
a
60
feet
alley
and
the
garage
door
adjacent
to
the
area.
Q
E
O
O
L
Really
briefly
sure,
because
I
understand
this
is
just
a
garage,
but
a
garage
is
a
very
important
portion
of
how
people
live
in
their
houses,
as
I
indicated
before
and
I'm
very
serious
about
this,
as
this
was
being
started
from
fresh,
we
wouldn't
be
here
before
today,
because
I
don't
think
I
could
make
at
all
a
case
just
say:
let's
attach
this
garage.
The
fact
that
matter
is
is
we're
all
looking
at
it
and
I
can
see
where
we're
looking
at
this
is
in
two
different
matters.
L
We
didn't
create
this
condition
the
how
the
garage
existed
there
when
we
bought
the
house,
it
was
point
a
two
feet
off
of
off
of
that
property
line,
though
the
access
was
from
Grant
Street.
So
when
the
house
was
originally
enlarged
in
99,
it
was
then
that
it
was
connected
at
that
point
in
time.
So,
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
that
hardship
was
self
created,
the
house,
the
garage
existed
there,
we
didn't
create
that
that
issue
we
did
by
attaching
it
create
some
other
issues
because
of
the
variations
that
we're
needed
to
be
there.
L
L
It
is
the
minimum
that
we
can
enlarge
that
garage
and
and
fit
the
second
character
which,
by
the
way,
the
property
is
preexisting
non-conforming.
Today,
all
your
house
is
required.
Two
cars
garages
right,
two
car
park,
two
two
parking
spaces,
so
we
are
actually
solving
a
nonconformity
with
is
minimal
of
variations,
as
we
possibly
can.
The
variation
in
terms
of
building
coverage
is,
as
as
the
the
staff
report
indicates,
is,
is
caused
by
the
virtue
that
we
do
not
have
the
same
size
a
lot.
We
don't
have
the
standard
our
to
lot.
L
We
are
below
that
was
again
again,
the
that's
an
existing
condition
and
we
are
trying
to
respect
that
by
keeping
the
garage
as
small
as
possible,
now
again
grant
it,
and
it
was
pointed
out
in
staff
report.
We
do
have
what
was
what
is
now
a
parking
space,
we're
not
taking
down
that
ten
by
twelve
space
in
front.
That's
true,
you
can
make
a
point
on
that.
One
part
of
that
was
is
because
we
are
trying
to
save
as
much
of
the
existing
garage
as
possible.
L
Part
of
it
is.
It
doesn't
really
affect
everybody,
but
when
you
go
through
the
standards-
and
you
really
look
at
it,
we
haven't
created
the
hardship
other
than
the
fact
that
we're
trying
to
add
a
second
car
here
and
fit
it
into
this
garage
so
that
at
least
most
of
the
time
we
can
have
two
cars
on
the
property
as
your
owns
or
the
ordinance
in
requires
us
to
do
so.
So
we're
ameliorating
that
very
that
that
nonconformity
number
one
there
number
two.
L
We
are
in
fact
enlarging
the
garage
by
one
foot,
nine
inches
south,
that's
about
as
minimal
as
we
possibly
can
get
existing
garage
if
it
was
a
brand-new
garage,
different
story,
but
we
are
doing
that
in
terms
of
impact
to
the
neighbors.
We
have
no
adverse
impact
in
terms
of
light
near
or
development
to
the
neighbors.
In
fact,
the
only
neighbor
who
would
affect
generally
see
this
garage
already
has
a
two-car
attached
garage
next
to
us.
That's!
L
What's
there,
this
block,
maybe-
and
maybe
this
in
an
anomaly
and
evident
that
in
Evanston,
but
about
50%
of
the
houses
already
have
attached
garages
so
from
this
neighborhood.
That
is,
in
effect,
the
the
pattern
of
development
has
been
attached.
Garages,
which
is
what
we're
having
here
today,
we're
not
adding
something
that
isn't
already
in
the
neighborhood
in
terms
of
other
potential
impacts
that
there
could
be
on
neighbors.
It
was
brought
up
under
dapr,
which
was
a
drainage
issue.
We've
solved
that
we've
we've
actually
taken
extraordinary,
it's
not
extraordinary,
but
we've
taken
additional
steps.
L
That
other
would
not
be
done
to
keep
that
drainage
on
our
property,
in
fact
we're
creating
a
better
situation
than
exists
today,
because
today
the
drainage
goes
onto
the
ally
period.
Just
goes
on
to
the
Le
washes
off
of
our
pride
and
there's
an
issue
with
that
and
that's
been
brought
up
to
us.
Well,
we're
now
fixing
a
situation
that
currently
exists
today,
so
we're
clearly
not
doing
this
to
make
more
money.
As
Ben
pointed
out
and
again,
you
can
approach
this
in
two
different
ways.
L
Is
we're
spending
more
money
to
keep
an
existing
garage
Vaness,
not
necessarily
ever
gonna,
get
that
additional
value
back
by
doing
the
underpinning.
That
was
pointed
out.
That's
not
you
know.
If
we
want
to
sell
the
house
tomorrow,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
charge
more
to
someone
or
to
sell
it
for
more
by
keeping
that,
but
to
keep
something.
That's
already
existing.
That's
part
of
the
family's
lifestyle
that
doesn't
affect
the
rear
yard,
which
is
part
of
the
other
thing
that
we're
asking
is,
since
that
garage
is
already
there.
L
Why
would
you
want
to
eliminate
even
more
use
of
that
rear
yard,
which
is
already
smaller
than
many
of
the
rear
yards
in
the
area?
Do
the
lot
size
and
do
the
way
this
oscillates
out?
Why
why
bird
in
that
backyard,
with
a
brand
new
structure
that
would
actually
take
away
use
from
that
where
we
are
with
all
due
respect,
I
understand
that
garbage
trucks
are
not
supposed
to
run
over
your
property,
but
it's
been
doing
it
for
15
years
or
more.
L
It's
actually
20-something
years,
they've
been
doing
it,
we
put
stuff
there
and
they
still
do
it.
So,
with
all
due
respect,
we
don't
trust
that
they
will
figure
it
out,
because
we
actually
put
stuff
there,
as
you
saw
from
the
picture
so
that
they
wouldn't
cross
the
property
and
they
still
do
it.
I
grew
up
in
the
city
of
Chicago.
L
That's
what
happens
you
know
Karen,
you
know
you
don't
have
those
setbacks
and
garbage
trucks
just
run
over
your
property
and
there
and
think
so
that
that
trust
factor
is
in
there
and
to
put
it
on
the
other
side
of
the
property,
which
is
I.
Think
what
mr.
bickerman
was
talking
about,
having
to
cut
across
the
property
we'd
have
to
take
down
the
few
trees
that
are
in
the
in
the
property.
In
order
to
take
that.
L
We
have
actually
met
the
standards
here,
because
we
are
asking
for
the
minimum
variations
that
are
necessary,
we're
ameliorated,
any
negative
impact
to
surrounding
properties,
and
the
code
doesn't
say
you
have
to
take
down
existing
structures
and
move
them
someplace
on
the
property.
That's
not
a
standard
in
in
the
code
to
do
that,
when
the
answer
was,
did
we
look
at
something
that
would
be
compliant
well?
That
is
the
only
thing
that
would
be
compliant.
L
A
E
I'm
sure
that
we're
all
familiar
with
Grant
Street,
it's
very
narrow,
and
it
is
very
heavily
traffic,
because
it's
a
main
thoroughfare
through
Northwest
Evanston
I
think
that
there's
public
benefit
in
getting
additional
automobiles
off
the
street.
I
think
this
is
a
very
small
addition
and
I
I,
really
don't
like
the
idea
of
tearing
down
a
structure
that
exists
and
all
the
waste
that
that
entails
in
order
to
follow
the
strict
letter
of
the
zoning
requirements.
I
think
that's
why
ultimately
dapper
voted
eight
and
three
in
favor
of
allowing
them
to
go
forward
with
this.
Q
All
the
streets
in
the
neighborhood
suffer
from
parking
on
the
street,
and
especially
the
snow
removal
and
the
cleaning
on
the
street,
and
my
neighbors
usually
have
tickets
and
I
know
this
for
sure,
because,
for
instance,
one
of
my
neighbors,
she
parked
her
car
in
my
yard
when
she
lives
down
for
vacation,
just
not
to
get
tickets.
So
this
this
is
important.
Q
I
am
Not
sure
that
you
will
save
money
if
you
build
it
on
you,
just
because
I'm
pretty
much
sure
that
you
have
to
almost
tear
it
down,
if
not
completely,
tear
it
down
to
make
the
new
foundation
and
a
new
roof,
because
I
don't
think
that
you
can
use
the
ridge
and
the
roof
as
it
is,
and
second,
you
have
really
to
take
care
of
the
safety
of
the
air.
This
is
it's
not
only
the
garbage
truck.
It's
all
your
neighbors
that
use
this
alley.
It
is
risk
eating.
So
you
have
to
be
careful.
M
Thank
you,
I
I,
appreciate
that
the
property
owner
is
trying
to
improve
the
property
and
make
the
property
more
livable
Carol.
If
I
understand
what
you
said
and
I
just
have
a
question,
it
sounds
like
you:
don't
believe
that
that
this
rises
to
the
level
of
a
hardship
or
no.
Let
me
correct
that
that
you
believe
that
some
of
this
issue
is
self-created.
Some
of
the
hardship
is
self-created
by
the
expansion
that
was
done
in
I,
believe
99.
Q
M
Certainly
advocate
for
property
owners
making
improvements
that
their
property
that
allow
them
to
stay
in
their
home
and
continue
to
invest,
but
I
think
there
are
standards
here
that
I,
don't
believe,
had
been
met,
and
that
would
lead
me
to
have
a
hard
time
in
supporting
this
project.
Specifically
the
practical.
M
You
know
the
hardship
or
the
practical
difficulty
based
on
the
the
evidence
that
I
heard
the
difficulty
is
being
exposed
to
the
elements
and
having
to
walk
from
you
know
from
the
house
to
the
garage
I,
don't
think,
that's
a
particularly
expect
by
living
in
Chicago
I,
don't
believe
that
we
heard
a
financial
hardship.
In
fact,
it's
going
to
cost
more
if
I
understood
correctly
in
doing
the
project
as
proposed
here.
M
So
there
is
the
issue
of
the
hardship
and
I
do
think
that
some
of
this
is
self
created
by
the
project
that
they
undertook
in
1999.
Certainly
you
can't
anticipate.
You
know
how
many
years
ago,
that
was
all
of
the
additions
and
needs,
as
they
change
and
I
can
understand
that
as
a
property
owner
at
the
same
time
as
as
my
job
is
to
look
at
these
projects.
According
to
the
standards,
I
don't
believe
that
all
the
standards
have
been
that
thank.
N
C
C
You
want
to
add
a
1.9
foot
addition
to
a
garage,
but
the
lot
coverage
issue
was
was
created
because
you
expanded
your
home
in
1999
and
if
you
hadn't
done
that
or
if
in
1999,
you
had
considered
the
size
of
your
garage
at
that
time
or
the
location
of
your
Raj
at
that
time,
perhaps
you
could
have
done
an
expansion
at
that
time
that
kept
a
lot
coverage
compliant
and
gained
a
second
car
garage,
so
I
do
think.
The
hardship
here
is
one
that
self
created,
at
least
with
respect
to
the
lot
coverage
issue.
C
I,
don't
think
it
necessarily
was
with
respect
to
the
side,
yard
setback
issue.
That
said,
this
is
a
substandard
lot
and
it
is
a
modest
extension
of
an
existing
structure
and
I
do
believe.
There
is
a
value
to
a
homeowner
in
having
aside
from
walking
across
aside
from
walking
across
the
yard,
as
the
hardship
I
think,
there's
a
value
to
the
owner
in
being
able
to
access
their
garage
from
their
home.
C
So
if
there's
a
package
of
paper
towels
that
they
want
to
store
in
their
mudroom,
which
would
have
to
go
away,
that's
something
they
have
here
that
they
would
lose
by
having
to
move
the
garage
and,
in
some
ways
the
substandard
lot
to
me,
and
the
fact
that
this
project
would
be,
which
is
a
modest
extension,
would
be
fine
on
a
standard
size.
Lot.
Also
sort
of
pushes
me
the
other
way,
so
I
am
a
little
bit
on
the
fence.
C
H
I
understand
that
this
is
not
the
minimum
variation
that
you
could
request
in
this
project
and
I
understand
that
most
of
this
board
feels,
like
you,
created
your
own
hardship
here.
We
are
today
and
you
would
like
to
take
another
car
off.
The
street
I
deferred
Sakura,
as
both
a
resident
of
the
community
and
an
architect
and
I
agree
with
this
project.
I.
E
C
E
Well,
there's
not
to
say
that
they
will
build
a
garage
if
it's
detached
if
you've
been
walking
through
your
house
to
your
garage
since
1999,
that's
almost
20
years
to
go
out
the
side
door
and
walk
all
the
way
around
your
house
to
a
corner
of
the
alley.
That
is
that's
a
significant
hardship,
I
think
and
there's
not
a
single
neighbor
who
objects
to
this.
It's
not
going
to
alter
the
view
front
of
the
house
from
the
street.
E
It
is
a
very
modest
addition
to
the
garage
and,
and
can
we
know
in
1999
when
you
put
the
addition
onto
the
house
that
that
you
know
it's
going
to
become
untenable
to
be.
You
know,
messing
your
cars
around
constantly.
You
know
some
so
many
years
later,
I
just
think
that
there's
a
real
benefit
and
and
I
know
that
we
have
standards,
but
I
think
that
this
is
so
minimal
that
these
property
owners
ought
to
be
given
the
relief
that
they're
seeking
is.
C
M
They
stated
that,
obviously
this
is
not
a
money-making
venture.
That's
not
why
they're
you
know
proposing
those
projects,
so
I'm,
not
even
clear
of
public
benefit,
as
is
some
are
describing
it,
and
removing
a
car
from
the
street
is
something
to
be
considered
as
one
of
these
standards
and
considering
the
standards
I.
E
A
A
Without
that
extra
three
feet,
you're,
never
getting
into
that
garage,
you
will
be
making
it
a
12-point
turn
to
get
in
and
out
of
that,
and
if
that's
not
more
frustrating
I,
don't
know
what
is,
and
if
it's
difficult
to
get
into
that
garage,
we're
not
getting
any
cars
off
the
street,
it
becomes
a
great
place
to
store
stuff,
which
is
a
delightful
which
is
a
delightful
benefit
anyhow.
So
I
really
I
fall
on
the
side
of
this
not
meeting
the
standards
for
this
particular
situation.
A
When
you
disagree
with
me
and
then
once
we
get
to
the
end,
I
think
I
know
where,
where
I
stand
in
this
in
the
voting,
what
I
would
like
to
say
is:
if
there
is
a
motion
to
approve
I,
would
like
there
to
be
a
condition
that
if,
in
any
circumstance,
the
foundations
cannot
be
underpinned
and
they
come
back
to
the
city
to
the
building
department
and
say
hey,
we
just
want
to
remove
them
and
pour
new
ones
in
their
entirety
that
that
that
this,
that
the
variance
is
no
longer
valid.
So.
I
A
If
they
cannot
underpin
it,
as
their
intention
is,
and
they
end
up
pouring
new
foundations,
what
need
to
pour
new
foundations
in
its
entirety,
then
its
new
construction
and
that's
completely,
then
you
got
to
put
it
where
it
belongs:
okay,
okay,
so
the
standards
for
major
variations
there
are
seven
of
them
and
the
first
is
the
requested.
Variation
will
not
have
a
substantial
adverse
impact
on
the
youths,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
properties.
A
There's
been
testimony
that
the
size
of
this
is
minimal
and
it
is-
and
it
is
a
a
minor
enlargement
of
the
existing
garage
and
so
I
do
believe
that
it
will
not
have
any
adverse
impact
on
on
any
of
the
neighbors.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
two:
the
requested
variation
is
in
keeping
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
A
It's
certainly
one
of
the
intents
to
allow
people
to
make
modifications
to
their
homes
to
make
changes
as
the
as
lifestyles,
change
and
those
sorts
of
things
so,
and
that
is
merely
what
the
applicant
is
requesting.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
three,
the
alleged
hardship
or
practical
difficulty-
is
peculiar
to
the
property
I
struggle
with
this
one
a
little
bit,
because
there
is
there's
nothing
in
this
particular
case
that
keeps
this
garage
from
being
put
in
a
compliant
location.
A
C
I'm
going
to
disagree
with
you
on
this
one
I
do
think
that
the
hardship
is
is
peculiar
to
the
property
in
as
much
as
the
property
is
substandard
and
the
hardship
of
having
a
two-car
garage,
which
is
in
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
zoning
ordinance
to
have
a
second
parking
space
on
the
property
is
a
direct
function
of
the
substandard
property
size.
That
said,
I
also
think
when
you
get
to
standard
six,
that
this
hardship
was
created
by
the
owner,
so
but
I
do
think
the
hardship
exists.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Number
four.
The
property
owner
would
suffer
a
particular
hardship
or
practical
difficulty
as
distinguished
from
a
mere
inconvenience
if
the
stricter
letter
of
the
regulations
were
to
be
carried
out
according
to
testimony.
What
I
heard
was
that
it's
it's
really
more
of
a
inconvenience.
A
E
A
You
number:
five:
the
purpose
of
the
variation
is
not
based
exclusively
upon
a
desire
to
extract
additional
income
from
the
property.
These
are
a
longtime
residents
who
have
lived
here
for
quite
some
time
and
their
their
goal
is
not
to
flip
the
property
or
to
sell
it
immediately.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
six,
the
alleged
difficulty
or
hardship
has
not
been
created
by
any
person
having
an
interest
in
the
property.
I
do
believe
that
they
created
their
own
hardship
in
this
particular
case.
A
With
that
major
edition
back
in
1999,
which
took
the
garage
for
being
a
detached
from
with
a
three-foot
side
yard
setback
requirement
to
an
attached
garage,
which
now
has
a
five-foot
side
yard
setback
requirement.
So
it
certainly
is
impacting
the
the
what
is
what
is
available
here
from
both
a
setback
issue,
as
well
as
from
a
lot
coverage
issue,
so
I
do
believe.
I
do
not
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
A
E
A
You
number
seven.
The
requested
variation
requires
the
least
deviation
from
the
applicable
regulation
among
the
feasible
options
identified
before
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
issues,
its
decision
or
recommends
to
or
its
recommendation
to,
City
Council
regarding
site
variation.
It's
it's
been
noted
by
staff
that
there
is
a
compliant
location
on
the
lot
for
this
garage
I'm
aware
of
a
compliant
location
on
this
lot
for
the
garage,
so
I
do
new
believe
that
this
is
the
the
minimum
change
necessary
since
there
is
a
compliant
location.
So
I
do
not
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
E
Once
again,
I'm
going
to
take
exception
and
say
I
think
that
this
is
the
least
variation
that
the
owners
can.
The
least
deviation
that
the
owners
can
make
in
and
simply
expanding
to
a
two-car
garage
without
having
to
tear
the
structure
down
completely
and
and
build
anew
and
have
to
add
a
back
door
or
add
more
impervious
surface
to
their
yard.
So
I
think
that
this
is
the
least
deviation
that
they
in
order
for
them
to
achieve
a
two-car
garage
on
their
property.
Thank.
E
So
I'm
moving
in
the
case
of
CBA
18cm
JV
0:05,
for
that
we
grant
the
variation
for
the
addition
to
the
garage
at
33,
18,
Grand
Street.
What's
that
condition,
but
with
the
condition
that
if
the
owners
elect
to
tear
the
garage
down
to
pour
new
footings,
instead
of
underpinning
the
footings
that
this
variation
will
be
voided?
E
A
A
A
B
Kathy
Liechtenstein
lessee
applies
for
special
use
permits
for
a
daycare
center
domestic
animal
in
a
kennel
Rex's
place
in
the
MXC
mixed-use
employment
district
zoning
code,
section
613,
4
3.
The
applicant
proposes
a
special
use
permit
to
expand
the
current
daycare
centre:
domestic
animal
at
2120,
Asselin
davon
ooo,
to
include
21
18
to
21,
20
and
Avenue,
and
to
include
2147
Dewey
Avenue
as
the
managers,
residence
with
outdoor
animals
face
and
21:49
Dewey
Avenue
as
the
business
owners
residents
without
door
animals
face.
B
For
this
case,
documents
included,
as
part
of
the
record,
include
specially
used
applications
submitted,
May
24th
2018
operations,
summary
2010
approval,
2011
approval
plants
of
survey,
site
plans,
letter
of
support,
image
of
property,
aerial
view
of
property,
zoning
map
of
property
and
dapper
draft
meeting
minutes
of
July
11th
2018.
Now
before
we
hear
from
the
applicant.
B
The
best
way
to
explain
this
is
a
chart
that
is
in
the
memo:
okay,
so
current
operations,
yet
for
each
address
and
then
proposed
operations
for
each
address
so
ultimately
2120
a
sh
'land.
There
is
no
change,
but
that
is
the
primary
location
of
the
business.
21:18
Ashland
Avenue
will
be
expanded
for
a
kennel
16:25
Paine
Street
is
currently
a
kennel
that
is
limited
to
accessory
use
only
and
limited
in
number
of
animals
and
how
often-
and
that
would
be
expanded
to
a
a
principal
use
where
it
would
not
have
that
limit.
Those
limitations.
B
O
B
H
R
Lichtenstein
2128,
lon
and
Evanston
and,
as
Melissa
said,
we
opened
the
business
in
2010
and
at
the
time
we
did
there
was
not
a
special
use
thing.
So
we've
had
a
daycare
since
March
1st
2010
that's
operated
there.
We
currently
do
cage
free
boarding
in
the
1625
Payne
Street,
building
it's
a
little
building
and
has
couches
and
chairs,
and
we
keep
about
15
dogs,
their
cage
free
during
special
times
of
the
year,
so
Thanksgiving
or
Christmas
or
Spring
Break,
or
something
like
that.
And
so,
when
my
project
is,
is
proposing
at
21
18.
R
We
actually
do
an
actual
kennel
for
non
daycare
dogs.
There
is
no
freestanding
kennel
in
the
city
of
Illinois
and
I
turn
away
about
ten
or
twelve
people
a
week
asking
me
to
board
their
dogs
and
I
can't
do
I
and
so
I
send
them
to
carry
tails
in
Glenview
or
Kenilworth,
kennels
and
Kenilworth,
or
loving
care
and
Northfield,
and
that
about
nine
years
ago
the
city
had
as
me
to
work
with
them
to
establish
some
regulations
for
building
a
kennel
and
I
did
and
I
thought
for
sure.
R
Someone
was
gonna
open
one
here,
but
nobody
ever
did,
and
so
this
space
became
available
and
it
will
be
perfect
to
have
a
very
small
kennel,
we're
not
looking
to
have
a
big
one.
It
would
have
about
40
kennels,
they
would
be
private
spaces
for
the
dogs.
I
actually
don't
know,
I
brought
you
pictures
of
what
the
kennels
would
look
like,
they'd
be
back
to
back
because
it
diminishes
the
noise.
We'd
have
rubber
on
the
floor.
That
too
diminishes
the
noise.
R
R
C
R
R
R
D
E
So,
as
you
know,
and
full
disclosure
I
own,
the
peacock
lofts
directly
across
the
alley
from
the
Arts,
we
hear
the
dogs
barking
okay,
all
day
long,
so
so
I
have
business
in
unit
number
seven,
which
is
in
the
back
it's
right
across
the
alley.
Yeah
and
when
the
dogs
are
out,
they
hear
them
a
lot
okay
and
they
have
remarked
on
that
to
me.
E
So
my
concern
is
so
that's
one
issue,
the
other
issue,
just
in
terms
of
volume,
if
you
walk
around
our
neighborhood
at
this
point,
you
will
see
burned
out
grass
spots
just
about
everywhere.
We
replace
the
sod
on
the
the
front
yard
at
1611
Simpson
every
year,
okay,
and
we
have
to
replace
it
every
year.
Okay,
that
being
said,
you
know,
kindred
spirits
is
right
next
door
to
that
property,
and
so
that's
another
dog
related
business.
So
there
is
a
huge
abundance
of
dogs
in
the
neighborhood
mm-hmm.
E
My
concern
is
twofold:
first,
the
the
barking
is
an
issue
and
I
know
it's
an
issue
when
the
dogs
are
outside
in
those
yards.
So
if
you
expand
from
your
current
one,
big
backyard
to
two
big
backyards
that
have
a
number
of
dogs
in
them
and
that's
a
big
space
behind
the
property,
that's
the
one
further
to
the
south.
I
am
concerned
about
the
level
of
barking
I'm,
also
concerned,
because
those
houses
abut
who
lives
in
the
house
on
end.
R
E
E
R
Was
rare
and
rare
occasion
we
might
walk
them
we
used
to
when
we
first
opened
we
we
did.
We
tried
to
walk
them
a
couple
of
times
a
day
we
found
that
it
didn't
work,
and
so
we
walked
them
to
the
yard
and
that's
where
we
do
it.
We
do
really
don't
have
the
staff
to
walk
them
a
bunch
of
times
a
day.
So
no
we
walk
them
to
the
arc.
We
that's
where
we
try
to
do
the
outdoor
play
well,.
E
You've
been
a
great
business
singing
in
the
neighborhood,
but
this
expansion
is
a
big
expansion
and
it's
a
big
step.
That's
adding
a
lot
more
dogs
and
there
are
a
lot
of
small
residences
in
the
neighborhood,
so
so
right
next
door
to
the
buildings
on
Ashland.
There
are
those
the
two
little
residences
between
that
one
and
the
the
Schulz
construction
company
and
then
across
the
street.
E
There
are
several
little
residences,
so
I'm
I'm,
voicing
concerned
because,
as
the
the
barking
from
the
dogs
has
created
an
issue
for
my
tenants
because
they're
there
during
the
day,
their
business,
tenants,
ops
and
there
are
residential
tenants
in
the
back
there
too.
I
just
want
to
know
what
you
can
do
to
address.
Those
concerns
about
noise
and
I'd
also
really
like
to
know
that
that
that
third
house
is
knows
what's
about
to
happen.
If
it
still
is
mrs.
Davis,
because
it's,
although
you're
you're
saying
it's
gonna,
be
principal
residents
right.
E
R
C
For
special
use
requests,
we
have
the
ability
to
condition
the
granting
of
a
special
use
or
the
recommendation
of
a
granting
of
a
special
use,
and
in
this
case
one
thing
that
occurs
to
me
is
that
a
condition
we
could
recommend
would
be
that
you,
in
addition
to
implementing
the
kennel
soundproofing,
that
you
mentioned
diminishment
techniques
that
you
mentioned
also
that
you'll
be
required
to
work
with
your
neighbors
to
to
minimize
the
extent
of
the
sound
to
them.
The
sound
effect
to
them
outdoors,
to
the
extent
possible,
is
that
a.
R
Condition,
I
will
be
absolutely
happy
to
do
that.
I
have
promised
one
of
my
neighbors
that
the
auto
dock,
which
is
right
down
the
street,
that
I,
would
put
soundproofing
in
the
back
of
the
daycare,
and
we
do
intend
to
do
that
part
of
doing
the
panel
is
that
we
will
expand
our
income
and
be
able
to
do
some
of
those
things.
So
we
can
certainly
look
at
putting
a
different
type
of
fence
in
there.
R
I
wish
that
we
I
wish
that
I
had
known
that
I,
don't
know
that,
there's
anything
we
can
do
about
it.
We
we
aren't
at
the
yard
that
opened
that
often
this
year,
particularly
we
haven't
been
because
it's
too
hot
and
the
dogs
get
heatstroke.
But
I
will
remember
that
woman.
Maybe
it
will
put
smaller
groups
so.
C
R
C
A
I
ask
a
couple
questions
just
because
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
your
we're
going
from
and
you're
going
to
and
so
right
now
you
have
fifty
dogs
in
daycare
between
50
and
90,
right
and
all
of
those
dogs
go
from
the
Ashland
Avenue
address
down
the
alley
over
to
the
Dewey
address
to
play
in
the
backyard.
Only.
R
A
All
go
at
once
no
take
50
to
90
dogs.
No,
how
many
do
you
take?
Maybe
20
25,
okay,
so
right
now,
you're
taking
20
at
a
time
they
go,
hang
out
have
a
good
time
come
back,
then
you
take
another
set
over
there.
That's
about
it!
Okay!
So
if
what
we
have
right
now
in
that
daycare
is
50
dogs
you're
doing
two
sets
of
that
right,
and
so
that's
been
happening
for
the
better
part
of
eight
years.
A
R
R
R
E
C
A
A
D
A
R
R
E
M
R
M
R
M
C
M
R
We
started
doing
that
because
we
have
some
dogs
who
we
have
a
white
Sam
I
had
a
couple
of
them
who
are
totally
white
and
if
they
go
the
yard,
they
turn
black.
So
we
we
have
ended
up
taking
groups
of
dogs,
we
have
some
dogs
that
gets
burn,
and
so
we
can't
take
them
out
there
or
some
dogs
that
just
don't
like
it
outside.
So
that's
what
we
tended
to
take
smaller
groups
some
days.
R
R
We
have
aromatherapy
going
and
the
soft
music
going
and
it's
filled
with
dog
beds
and
the
dogs
are
sleeping
on
the
beds
waiting
for
their
owners
to
pick
them
up.
So
it's
usually
fairly
quiet.
You
don't
hear
anything
during
the
day.
I
admit
that
they
could
be
noisy
but
they're.
It's
usually
when
a
new
dog
walks
in
that
they're
excited
that
they're,
seeing
somebody,
and
so
they
kind
of
sing
a
song
but
they're
days.
H
R
R
R
Thank
you.
I
haven't
gone
around
to
meet
the
this
happened
so
quickly
in
terms
of
buying
the
houses,
so
I
haven't
really
gone
round
and
introduced
myself
in
terms
of
that
I'm
buying
the
house.
Part
of
that
was
because
there
are
renters
in
those
houses
and
I
wanted
to
respect
them
and
I
they're
not
very
happy
about
moving
and
so
I
just
kind
of
waited.
But
I
won't
remember
that
when
I
go
over
and
meet
them,
yeah.
E
E
A
M
A
S
S
What
I
see
happening
with
more
and
more
dogs
coming
is
that
there's
no
order
to
when
they
pick
up
and
drop
off
and
she
has
no
control
over
where
for
a
client's
park,
but
they're
more
and
more
just
pulling
in
front
of
our
shop
and
throwing
the
current
park
training
flashers
on
and
I'm
like
this
is
my
place
of
business.
You
can't
park
it.
It's
okay,
I'll
only
be
here
for
a
couple
minutes
and
they
walk
away
and
I'm,
not
sure
what
what
we
can
do
about
that
right.
S
But
to
me
that's
one
of
the
bigger
concerns.
The
other
thing
is
that
people
pull
in
and
block
the
sidewalk
and
a
very
regular
basis,
particularly
in
the
morning
when
the
kids
are
walking
to
school.
I
think
that
that
poses
a
safety
thing.
You
know
I'm
fine
with
their
business.
It's
you
know,
it's
a
great
great
place
for
dogs
to
go,
but
I
mean
the
the
and
this
the
same
thing,
the
if
they're
walking
them
down
the
alley
to
the
yard.
They
can
go
to
the
bathroom
in
a
concrete
and
it's
not
gonna
grass.
R
Something
I
love
my
neighbor.
We
have
applied
for
a
loading
zone
permit
just
so
you
know
from
21
18
to
21
22
that
right
now
we
have
a
sign
on
our
on
our
garage
door.
That
says
don't
park
here,
but
we
put
that
sign
up,
and
so
we've
requested
a
loading
loading
zone
so
that
we
can
just
not
have
people
parked
there
and
just
have
them
part
load
in
those
spaces.
So
typically
that
will
take
care
of
some
of
that
can.
E
I
ask
about
that
loading
zone
that
loading
zone
would
be
in
front
of
your
garage
door.
Yes,.
R
R
R
Totally
agree
with
you
most
of
my
staff:
most
of
my
staff
takes
public
transportation
and
if
we
drive,
we
always
Park
in
the
Jehovah
Witness
parking
lot.
They
let
us
park
there
and
the
day
we
do
have
a
rec
swim
bill
and
we
park
that
in
the
back
of
our
place.
But
no
we
will
not
take
any
spaces
off
the
street,
it's
strictly
to
get.
Let
people
just
pull
in
and
pull
out
and
kind
of
free
up,
Charlie
right.
Okay,
thanks
thank.
A
S
Is
it's
really
annoying
in
the
back
of
our
building,
which
is
where
our
lunch
room
is
so
I
guys
go
to
take
a
break
and
there's
times
when
you
can't
turn
in
a
conversation,
so
as
long
as
she's
taking
care
of
that,
that's
good,
where
she's
planning
on
going
that
is
directly
next
to
our
office,
where
our
waiting
room
is
so
that's
a
huge
concern.
So
as
long
as
those
are
all
met
and
we're
not
going
to
get
part
parked
out
where
we
you
know,
we
can't
have
a
conversation
that
are
in
our
own
office.
C
I
I
C
T
Evening,
my
name
is
Dorothea
Patterson
I
live
in
Evanston
I
own
my
home
here
and
been
here
for
25
years,
and
what's
your
address,
1812
Rome,
oh
thank
you.
I
had
a
Chihuahua
mix
puppy
mixed
with
Jitsu,
so
he
has
a
lot
of
things.
Sticking
out
he
looks
ago
was
scary
sometimes,
but
he
saw
my
only
child
I
have
no
children
and
and
I
took
him
to
Pet
Smart
and
they
had
him
a
little
room
with
the
glass.
T
You
guys
seen
it
and
it's
like
somebody
just
sits
on
the
floor
and
plays
with
them,
and
he
would
shake
every
time
he
went
in
and
he
would
just
shake
and
he
was
shaking
I
knew
he
didn't
like
it
and
I
didn't
know
where
to
take
papi
and
Kathy
just
opened
up
her
place
and
I
went
to
Kathy
and
I
had
tears
in
my
eyes
and
I
was
like.
Can
you
can
I
bring
my
dog
here?
Papi
has
been
there.
I
was
her
first
customer
he's
been
there
from
day,
one
and
I
think.
T
T
I'm
surprised,
because
you
were
always
there
with
in
your
dog
but
walk
in
and
come
in
all
the
time
from
the
from
auto
doctor,
but
anyway,
papi
loves
to
go
there
and
I've
seen
Kathy's
business
grow
and
I
think
it
was
so
cool
that
there
was
just
woman
owned
business
that
is
growing
and
growing
and
I
remember
saying
to
Kathy:
how
was
it
going
and
she's
like?
Well,
I
can
pay
rent.
You
know
she
would
say
things
like
that,
so
they
have
grown
and
the
staff
is
amazing.
It's
clean!
T
The
dogs
come
in
my
dog,
he
barks
coming
in.
He
needs
the
other
dogs.
You
know
that
he's
on
his
way
in
he
thinks
he's
the
king
of
the
place
and
he
goes
in
and
then
everyone
gets
a
little
riled
up
and
they
calm
down.
They
don't
go
for
walks
every
day.
It's
only
on
nice
days.
They
might
take
them
to
the
yard,
but
you
guys
haven't
pretty
much
taken
all
summer.
They
haven't
gone
through
the
yard.
T
This
is
for
a
short
period
of
time
when
papi
gets
home,
he's
exhausted
and
that's
exactly
what
I
need
if
I
am
out
of
town
I
need
some
place
to
take
him
and
I.
Don't
want
to
take
him
to
Petsmart
where
they
have
the
cages.
I
think
that's
just
it's
just
not
right
and
that's
not
what
I
would
want
for
my
dog,
so
I
am
like
100%
for
this
business
and
I
am
just
so
proud
of
your
Kathy
for
everything
that
you've
done
and
I
think
we
should
keep
our
business
in
our
town.
U
Yep
I'm
Sally
Barnum
I
live
at
1111,
Church
Street,
it's
a
condominium.
Building
I've
lived
in
Evanston
for
49
years
came
to
go
to
grad
school
stay
raised
a
family
divorced,
bought
a
condo
got
the
dog
I
wanted.
Instead
of
the
large
hairy
dogs,
we've
been
having
for
the
previous
30
years,
he's
small
he's
tense.
U
He
gets
sunburned
and
he
is
not
a
happy
camper
when
he's
home
by
himself
I
retired
a
couple
of
years
ago,
but
before
that
for
about
four
years
before
that
Kathy
had
him
every
day,
and
now
he
goes
once
or
twice
a
week
to
keep
his
hand
in
and
I.
Don't
really
trust
I
have
one
other
set
of
people
that
I
trust
with
my
dog.
What
I
leave
town
and
those
are
people
that
I've
known
for
45
years.
U
This
is
a
great
place
and
the
fact
that
there
really
isn't
a
kennel
set
up.
My
dog
now
is
getting
dementia.
He
might
have
to
stay
in
a
cow
because
he's
getting
so
weird,
you
know
as
he
ages,
but
I'd
still
want
him
to
go
to
Kathy's
and
yeah.
I
totally
agree
with
the
folks
at
auto-doc.
Totally
it's
phrased
and
making
that
a
loading
zone
might
help
some.
U
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Is
there
anyone
else,
since
we
are
now
running
quite
late
and
we
still
have
another
one
to
get
to
if
you
I'm
happy
to
hear
you,
but
if
you'd
like
to
just
come
out,
if
you're
going
to
agree
with
everyone
else,
if
you
can
just
say
your
name
and
agree,
that's
fantastic!
Thank
you.
How
about
you
do
you
have
something
new
to
say:
okay,
we're
looking
for
new
data
and
if
you
can
keep
it
short,
please
I.
V
Think
just
humanly
possible,
you
promise.
Maybe
my
name
is
Rachel
tallit
I
live
at
21,
18,
21,
27,
Ashland
and
I'm
across
the
street,
from
21
18
and
I
work
part-time
at
the
auto
doctor
for
Charlie,
and
we
live
together
in
the
house
across
the
street.
So
I'm
in
the
neighborhood
I
also
have
a
professor
at
Truman,
College,
and
so
I
am
back
and
forth
at
strange
times
of
the
day,
often
times
with
night
classes,
weekend
classes
and
I
have
to
say
on
behalf
of
the
auto
doctor
and
myself.
V
We
definitely
don't
want
to
in
any
way
discourage
a
business
member
who's
been
such
a
wonderful
part
of
the
community.
It's
just
a
concern
that
things
are
arranged
in
a
manner
that
makes
sure
that
this
goes
off
smoothly
that
sounded
bateman
has
put
in
ahead
of
time
and
not
after
the
fact
and
I
think.
As
far
as
the
traffic
goes.
V
Where
people
lined
up
someone
came
out,
they
picked
the
dog
loose
leash
out
the
car.
They
walked
the
dog
in
the
person
drove
away.
They
never
had
to
leave
their
vehicle.
So
it
was
like
dropping
your
kid
off
at
daycare
except
you're,
dropping
off
your
dog
I'm,
an
avid
dog
lover,
I
love
the
fact
that
I
can
walk
out
of
my
house
in
the
morning
and
see
all
of
Cathy's
awesome
Docs.
V
E
A
R
C
M
Agree
with
Scott
I
am
a
dog
owner.
My
dog
has
been
directs
his
place
not
frequently,
but
I.
I
certainly
I
understand
the
need
first
somewhere
for
your
dog
to
be
if
you're
gonna
be
downtown
or
otherwise
all
day,
and
not
just
having
your
your
dog
untended
at
the
house.
I
do
think
there
are
conditions
that
we
should
be
thoughtful
about,
but
in
general
I
support
this
project.
M
I
C
I
heard
what
I
heard
was
the
sound
abatement
issue
obviously,
and
to
me
that
seems
to
be
not
only
for
the
new
kennel
building,
but
also
sort
of
for
the
business
generally
right.
I
also
heard
a
concern
about
the
pick-up
and
drop-off
and
I
do
think
it
would
be
appropriate
to
require
them
to
put
a
plan
in
place
or
to
work
with
the
city
to
put
in
a
plan
in
place
right
and
I.
Don't
think
we've
talked
about
hours
of
operation,
but
extending
whatever
they
are
seems
like.
That
would
be
the
right
condition.
Okay,.
E
A
I
think
one
of
the
clarifications
I'd
like
to
make
on
those
conditions
is
just
to
make
sure
that
it
happens.
The
sound
abatement
is
that
we
actually
have
staff
review
that
with
them
and
to
review
before
business
licenses
issued,
so
that
we
make
sure
that
it
happens
and
that
it's
in
place
ahead
of
time,
because
we
want
to
keep
everybody
happy.
A
Okay,
I
generally
agree
with
this
as
well,
and
there
are
some
concerns.
I
think
we
can
take
care
of
them,
I'm
also
of
the
mind.
You've
been
there
for
eight
years,
you're,
a
part
of
the
neighborhood.
Everybody
knows
there
are
dogs
that
bark
there.
So
if
I
didn't
want
to
hear
dogs,
I
wouldn't
move
into
the
neighborhood.
So
all
right,
so
let's
go
down
the
nine
standards
for
a
special
use
and
number
one.
It
is
one
of
the
special
uses
specifically
listed
in
the
zone
ordinance.
A
One
of
the
goals
is
certainly
to
retain
and
enhance
the
diversity
of
business
is-
and
this
is
certainly
one
of
those
businesses
we'd
like
to
keep
it
and
we'd
like
to
enhance
it.
We'd
also
like
to
strengthen
our
base
by
letting
you
be
successful
and
providing
more
more
room
for
people
in
Evanston
to
places
for
them
to
put
their
dogs.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
A
Number
three:
it
will
not
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect
when
its
effect
is
considered,
in
conjunction
with
the
cumulative
effect
of
various
special
uses
of
all
types
on
the
immediate
neighborhood
and
the
effect
of
the
proposed
type
of
special
use
upon
the
city
as
a
whole.
Now
I
don't
believe
as
a
special
use,
it
will
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect.
We'll
talk
about
traffic
in
another
issue
in
another
standard,
so
I
don't
believe
it
will
cause
a
negative
cumulative
effect.
A
You're
you're
modifying
this
to
a
minimal
degree
you're
in
just
enhancing
your
business
and
making
it
slightly
larger.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
four:
it
does
not
interfere
with
or
diminish
the
value
of
the
property
in
the
neighborhood
again
I.
Don't
I
think
that
your
your
neighbors
had
proven
that
they
they
love
you
and
they
like
having
that
business
in
the
neighborhood
and
so
increasing
that
in
the
neighborhood.
That
presence
in
the
neighborhood
certainly
won't
diminish
the
value
of
the
property.
A
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met,
number
five:
it
can
be
adequately
served
by
public
facilities
and
services.
As
you
said,
we
it's
heard
it
was
near
the
bust
line
and
then
there
it's
right
near
a
busy
intersection
and
we
certainly
have
public
facilities
and
services
that
already
go
to
that
part
of
town.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
Number
six.
It
does
not
cause
undue
traffic
congestion.
A
I
think
that
there's
been
some
heard,
testimony
that
there
are
some
concerns
about
traffic
congestion
with
the
various
other
businesses
in
the
in
the
immediate
area
and
I
think
that
although
there
will
be
some
traffic
congestion,
I
think
it
can
be
ameliorated
with
a
good
plan
and
working
closely
with
your
neighbors.
So
once
we
condition
that
I
think
we
will
have
that
will
be
met,
and
so
that
standard
gets
in
that
that
way
number
seven.
It
preserves
significant
historical
and
architectural
resources,
that's
not
applicable,
and
it
preserves
signet
number
eight.
A
It
preserves
significant
natural
and
environmental
features,
which
is
also
not
applicable
and
number
nine.
It
complies
with
all
other
applicable
regulations
of
the
district
in
which
it
is
located
and
other
applicable
ordinances,
except
to
the
extent
that
such
regulations
have
been
modified
through
the
planned
development
process
or
the
grant
of
a
variation,
and
that
is
specifically
related
to
your
business
license
and
getting
that
sound
deadening
and
the
sound
of
Bateman
in
ahead
of
time
before
you
get
your
business
license.
So
with
that,
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
will
be
met,
so
lots
of
conditions.
A
R
C
I
E
M
C
The
noise
ordinance
would
require
that
all
right,
I
make
a
motion
in
the
matter.
Zba
18
cm
JV,
0,
0,
5
8,
with
respect
to
the
many
properties
referenced
under
that
number,
that
we
recommend
that
City
Council
approve
the
special
use
requested
subject
to
the
following
conditions:
1
hours
of
operation
to
the
public
be
limited
from
6
a.m.
to
7
p.m.
C
that
the
properties
collectively
and
the
rexes
place
business
collectively
be
required
to
fit
and
or
retrofit
the
businesses
with
sound
abatement
measures
that
are
designed
to
minimize
the
amount
of
sound
audible
to
neighbors
and
to
work
with
the
neighbors.
To
the
extent
there
are
complaints
about
the
same
after
that.
C
Work
has
been
done
three
that
the
businesses
be
prohibited
from
walking
dogs
in
the
in
twigs
in
twigs
Park
and
the
grassy
areas
in
the
neighborhood,
for
that
the
applicant
put
in
place
a
cup
and
about
a
loading
zone
for
pickup
and
drop
drop-off
for
animals
that
takes
into
account
the
traffic
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
nearby
businesses
and
work
with
city
staff
for
approval
of
the
same
and
last
that
the
business
be
operated
and
developed.
Otherwise,
in
accordance
with
the
testimony
and
evidence
submitted.
Second,
it's.
D
A
D
B
Rogers
zoning
consultant
appeals
the
zoning
administrators
decision
to
deny
minor
zoning
relief
case
number
18,
ZM
n
B,
zero,
zero,
four
six
to
construct
a
six-foot
fence
in
the
front
yard,
where
six-foot
front
yard
fences
are
not
permitted.
Zoning
code
Section
six,
four,
six,
seven
F
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
is
the
determining
body
for
this
case.
W
The
reason
for
our
denial
related
to
a
number
of
issues
and
the
second
standard
offenses,
those
being
the
incompatible
uses
next
door,
which
we're
not
arguing
the
the
one
that
we
are
looking
at
is
the
increasing
and
safety
I'll
run
through
the
project
just
a
little
bit.
First
and
I'll
get
into
the
details
on
why
we're
appealing
the
decision.
W
The
homeowner
when
they
purchased
the
property,
was
looking
to
extend
that
existing
fence
into
the
rest
of
the
front
yard.
When
we
actually
got
the
plat
of
survey,
we
discovered
just
how
far
back
the
front
property
line
sits
from
the
sidewalk
and
realized.
There
was
a
little
more
room
there
than
we
initially
thought.
W
W
We
submitted
two
different
site
plans
for
this
depending
upon
whether
or
not
we
were
allowed
to
tie
into
the
front
fence
that
currently
exists
at
an
easement
that
was
granted
years
ago
and
then
expired,
it
was
leased
the
to
the
property
owners
by
the
city.
A
six
foot
fence
was
constructed
on
that
property
and
then
the
lease
expired
and
the
six
foot
fence
remained
and
that
property.
W
So
the
plan
that
you
currently
see
up
on
the
board
is
if
we
were
to
get
that
gray
area,
which
was
mostly
part
of
an
easement
in
the
1983
city
council,
granted
an
easement
for
that
we
would
just
be
seeking
to
basically
get
that
same
area.
We
also
extended
it
a
little
bit
further
to
the
west
to
include
area
for
a
double
gate
to
go
in.
So
this
was
option
number
one
that
we
presented
option
number
two,
which
is
on
the
next
page,
actually
follows
the
existing
property
line.
That
is
there
so
on
this
one.
W
W
W
They
have
expressed
some
concerns
about
the
height
of
landscaping,
about
the
debt
via
opacity
of
the
fence,
those
types
of
issues
we
are
pledging
to
keep
them
informed
as
we
finalize
any
fence
plan,
because,
obviously,
depending
on
whether
or
not
we
get
the
front
yard,
easement
will
change
how
the
fence
is
laid
out
as
well
as
moving
through
all
of
the
the
aspects
of
the
fence.
But
we
are
committed
to
doing
a
fence
that
is
meeting
with
the
opacity
that
we've
discussed
of
a
wrought-iron
variety
with
the
piers
in
the
front
yard.
W
W
So
what
I've
handed
you
is
a
list
of
fences
in
this
area,
front
yard
fences
in
this
area
of
Evanston.
A
number
of
them
also
are
along
parks.
Like
I
mentioned.
A
number
of
those
are
shorter
fences,
three
to
four
feet
tall,
and
we
are
aware
of
that.
We
feel,
though,
that
that
having
a
fence
in
the
front
yard
in
order
to
keep
children
and
the
dogs
in
as
well
as
protect
the
safety
of
the
persons
living
in
the
property,
is
paramount
and
a
six-foot
fence
would
be
more
appropriate
in
this
particular
location.
W
Most
often
the
fence
is
constructed
on
the
private
area,
not
the
public
area
and,
as
I
mentioned
under
previous
zoning,
actually
excuse
me
under
previous
ordinances,
passed
by
the
City
Council,
a
six
foot
wrought
iron
fence
was
constructed
and
allowed
to
stand.
Still
at
this
point
and
a
separate
three
and
a
half
foot
front
yard
fence
was
approved
by
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
back
in
1984.
A
W
But
if
you
look
at
the
ones
that
do
immediately
abut
a
park
and
are
not
across
the
street
from
a
park
or
adjacent
to
a
park,
those
tend
to
be
taller.
Fences
on
the
one
at
9:43
Edgemere
in
particular,
there's
one
on
Sheridan
square
that
abuts
another
park
there,
and
there
is
one
at
901,
Edgemere
Court
as
well
that
abuts
parks
where
a
park
so.
C
Why
can't
it
so?
Why
can't
a
three
foot
fence
properly
set
back
from
the
front
of
the
property
meet
meet
the
objectives
of
keeping
the
children
and
dogs
in
which
I'm
not
sure,
really
warrants
relief
anyway,
but
the
safety
issue
is
the
one
I'm
focused
on:
why
can't
a
3-foot
fence
at
the
correct
location
achieve
that
objective,
because.
W
It's
very
easy
to
get
over
a
three-foot
fence.
I
can
step
over
a
three-foot
fence
almost
depending
on,
what's
on
top
of
it,
and
we
are
looking
to
secure
the
property,
not
necessarily
from
being
people,
but
what
we
call
nuisance
intrusions
because
of
the
the
particular
celebrity
that
we
have
living
here.
It's
different
than
a
number
of
other
people.
W
W
C
C
C
W
Has
not
had
any
in
particular,
although
I
do
know
that
on
two
occasions
when
I've
been
at
the
property,
one
was
the
day
that
it
broke.
Who
was
there
news?
Crews
were
out
front
of
the
property,
were
you
the
leak?
I
was
not
the,
and
we
did.
We
have
heard
people
being
interested
in
the
fact
that
he
is
in
the
property
and
wanting
to
know
where
it
is
identifying
it
in
the
neighborhood.
C
W
M
W
Let
me
go
a
little
further
here,
so
behind
the
wood
fence,
yes,
is
actually
a
chain-link
fence.
Okay,
we
the
homeowners
when
they
moved
in
told
us
they
wanted
a
fence
up.
We
were
given
about
ten
days
in
order
to
get
a
fence
put
in.
We
contacted
several
fence
companies.
It
was
impossible
to
get
a
fence
in
during
that
time.
So
what
we
had
done,
as
we
had
talked
to
city
staff
and
because
of
the
fact
there
will
be
construction
occurring
this,
this
fall
to
winter,
on
the
property
in.
W
Correct
there's
talk
of
putting
a
small
addition
onto
that
end
of
the
property.
Okay,
we
talked
with
the
city
staff
about
about
getting
basically
our
fence
up,
so
we
could
secure
the
property
for
the
dogs
and
children
at
this
time,
and
then
we
would
keep
that
up
through
the
construction
period.
For
the
for
the
addition
to
the
house,
the
wood
fence,
the
wood
fence
was
added
on
so
that
people
did
not
have
to
look
at
a
chain-link
fence
and
that
is
still
a
temporary
fence.
C
Q
W
Q
W
W
E
E
I
appreciate
that
that
the
public
park
you
know
I
know
that
they
don't
see
any
adverse
activity
because
it's
a
park,
but
there's
a
lot
of
activity
that
goes
on
at
Clark,
Square,
Park
and
I
can
understand
that
a
homeowner
who
was
the
park
there
would
want
some
additional
safety
and
privacy
because
even
late
in
the
evening
there
are
people
who
go
to
the
rocks.
For
you
know
something
on
the
rocks
but
anyway,
so
so
I
do
appreciate
all
event.
W
W
M
There
was
an
issue
raised
earlier
that
I
want
to
better
understand.
Is
there
an
opportunity,
through
landscaping
to
have
a
lower
fence
across
the
majority
of
the
front
of
the
property
line,
with
some
higher
fence
line
across
the
driveway?
That
would
still
keep
pets
and
children
in
and
give
some
measure
of
security
to
the
property
without
extending
a
six-foot
fence
across
the
entirety.
Entire
front
property
line,
I
think.
W
If
that
is
the
only
option
available
to
us,
we
would
consider
it.
We
would
still
consider
securing
a
fence,
probably
of
a
higher
of
a
six
foot
height
throughout
the
rest
of
the
property,
in
order
to
provide
what
we
can
there
and
build
by
right
with
the
exception.
I'm
sorry,
the
area
along
the
riprap
rock
along
the
lakefront.
We
don't
intend
to
put
a
six-foot
fence
there.
A
W
I
A
W
A
A
A
A
A
X
X
At
other
things,
that
own
many
properties
in
Evanston's
on
the
lakefront
I
have
a
fence
right
on
the
underwater
just
simple
question:
okay,
also,
what
I
can
say
is
you
know:
I've
been
at
7:47
Sheridan
Road
for
18
years
I've
been
trying
to
reclaim
the
spirit
of
our
then
Darin,
show
the
architect
of
the
house
and
I've
been
able
to
remove
the
house
and
with
the
previous
owner,
and
the
idea
is
to
keep
the
sense
of
openness
and
Here.
I
am
in
a
situation
and
we're
setting
a
precedent.
X
Also,
this
owner
is
going
to
leave
maybe
in
two
years
and
what
would
happen-
and
this
is
the
situation
I
don't
like,
because
here
I
have
never
been
able
to
meet
that
owner,
because
these
fields
is
so
important.
They
cannot
talk
to
neighbors
and
I
feel.
This
is
a
little
insulting
and
okay
wants
to
put
these
fences
and
all
that
I
hope.
You
understand
my
point
of
view.
It's.
I
Y
Y
Matt
gave
the
neighbors
and
me
the
the
image
of
a
wrought
iron
fence
with
the
6-foot
pedestals
and
described
it.
We
walked
it.
There
was
the
both
the
wooden
fence,
that
was
there
now
the
temporary
construction
fence,
and
there
was
a
pink
string
where
the
purpose
idea
of
the
proposed
fence
would
be.
We
discussed
at
great
length
the
easement
which
the
city
let
expire
but
has
been
the
homeowner
maintained
the
property
all
of
this
time.
Y
The
view
easement
was
it
was
going
to
be
followed
in
the
backyard
and
that
there
will
be
a
wrought
iron
fence,
all
the
way
around
the
property,
with
the
exception
of
the
4-foot
fence
along
the
rocks,
because
they
have
small
Joe
standing
in
the
driveway
there.
We
went
point
by
point
through
all
of
these
issues
and
there
was
consensus
from
a
large
group
of
the
neighbors
I
told
the
neighbors,
then
that
I
would
come
to
the
CBA
or
like
communicate
through
staff,
that
that
was
the
consensus
on
this
I
recognize
that
this.
C
Y
Agreed
they
understood
that
they
understood
what
this
the
six-foot
fence
brought.
Iron
fence
was
and
where,
where
the
homeowner
would
like
to
have
it
and
they
agreed
that
they
understood
the
reasons
and
that
they
agreed
that
that
would
be
acceptable
to
them.
As
long
as
the
landscaping
was
kept,
no
higher
than
the
fence
are,
you
know
approximately
and
the
view
easement
was
was
completely
recognized
and
that
the
materials
would
be
substantially
as
were
shown
here.
Y
You
know,
I
recognized
that
I
mean
I
was
on
the
council
when
we
rewrote
the
entire
fence.
Ordinance
I
saw
I
went
through
all
of
that.
I
recognized
issues
of
front
yard.
Fences
generally
I
know
that
we
do
have
some
times
when
we
do
permit
them.
If
there's
a
one
solution
that
was
suggested
by
a
neighbor
was
if
the
concern
is
I
mean
it's
somewhat
particular
lies
to
this
homeowner
that
the
CBA
could,
in
its
wisdom,
make
it
removable
cause
it
to
be
removed.
When
this
homeowner
sells
the
property.
Y
That
you
know
I
do
think
that
this
property
is
it's.
It's
the
only
one
now
facing
Clark
Square,
Park,
Clark,
Square
Park
part,
like
all
of
our
lakefront
parks,
gets
active
and
sometimes
active
in
an
anti-social
behavior
at
night.
Just
to
be
honest
with
you,
and
so
I
do
think
that
there
are
times
when,
if
I
were
a
neighbor
who
was
immediately
adjacent
to
a
park
ride,
one
offense.
C
Do
you
think
it
sets
a
good
precedent
for
the
city
to
make
an
accommodation
for
a
famous
celebrity
that
moves
into
one
of
our
homes
to
give
give
them
the
ability
to
put
things
where
they
want
on
the
property
of
no
matter
what
the
ordinances
say
about
it?
I
mean,
in
my
view,
right.
The
concern
here
is
a
safety
concern,
but
the
client,
the
applicant,
can
put
the
size
fence
they
want
to
in
a
different
location,
from
where
they're
asking
to
put
it.
C
I
had
to
me
that
to
me
that
alleviates
the
safety
concern,
so
what's
so,
I
guess
it
seems
to
me
we're
being
asked
to
do
something
different,
because
it's
a
celebrity
or
consider
something
different,
because
it's
a
celebrity
that
doesn't
really
change.
It
doesn't
really
affect
the
need,
that's
being
articulated
I.
You.
Y
Come
to
an
accord
on
I
mean
if,
if
you
all
decide
to
do
a
4-foot
fence
or
a
toe
grant
to
decide,
it
should
be
limited
to
a
four
foot
fence
that
would
be
fine.
I
just
wanted
to
fulfill
my
obligation
to
the
neighbors
I
recognize
that
we
want
to
be
as
fair
to
everybody
to
every
homeowner,
as
as
we
can
and
make
no
particular
exceptions,
one
way
or
the
other.
That's
why
they're
applying
to
a
variant
for
variance
to
you,
you
know
and
why
it's
not
as
it
right
great.
Thank
you
very
much.
X
I'm
on
the
park
and
I,
the
police
I
mean
there
comes
after
11
p.m.
and
except
during
the
fourth
of
July
Memorial
Day,
and
all
that
the
park
is
relatively
quiet
and
I.
Think
the
police
department
has
done
a
very
good
job
so
far
in
terms
of
the
groupies
I
haven't
seen
any
change
from
the
previous
owner
and
also
if
you
ran
that
fence,
why
shouldn't
I
get
a
single
offense,
because
if
there
are
dangerous
people
who
may
come
I
may
I
may
need
to
protect
myself
as
well.
X
C
X
Z
Z
I
mean
I've
lived
there
40
years,
I've
never
had
an
incident
at
all,
but
you
know
you're
talking
about
hardships,
he's
creating
a
hardship
for
himself
and
trying
to
change
the
rules
and
regulations
of
the
city
of
Evanston
and
I
just
feel
that
he
should
not
be
allowed
because
he's
a
special
to
have
an
exception
to
the
rules
of
the
city,
and
this
is
my
view
and
I
just
wanted
to
convey
that.
Thank.
K
I'm
Alan,
Price
and
I
live
in
the
same
house.
That's
Karla,
we've
been
there
for
40
years.
We
have
a
fence
and
we
had
to
replace
our
friend.
The
fence
has
been
there
since
1914,
it's
a
low
fence
and
the
entire
block
has
the
same
fence,
and
when
we
and
our
neighbors
decided
it
was
time
to
replace
the
fence
because
it
had
corroded,
we
were
required
to
replace
the
fence
with
one
that
looked
as
close
as
it
could
to
the
original
fence.
K
We
have
standards
in
our
neighborhood
because
it's
a
preservation
area
and
this
house
falls
into
that
category,
and
this
would
be
a
violation
of
the
preservation
standards
of
that
neighborhood
by
having
a
six-foot
fence
and
maybe
even
a
4-foot
fence.
That's
all
I'd
have
liked
to
say.
Thank
you.
Thank.
W
So
in
summation,
basically,
we
would
we
would
request
that
we
get
a
six-foot
fence.
That
is
what
we
specifically
requested.
We
would
like
to
have
that.
The
one
thing
I
would
like
to
clarify
an
all-women
one,
correct
me.
If
I'm
wrong,
we
had
agreed
on
landscaping
being
in
the
eight-foot
range.
Not
the
six-foot
range
is
that
correct.
Y
W
We
intend
to
landscape
the
front
one
way
or
another
in
order
to
try
to
blend
in
with
the
landscaping
that
currently
exists
in
mr.
Dorrance
side
yard.
To
continue
that
on
down
the
street.
Our
hope
would
be
that
the
Zoning
Board
of
Appeals
would
grant
us
a
six-foot
fence
which
would
not
be
extremely
visible
in
the
landscaping.
W
A
C
C
Do
but
in
but
but
what
we're,
but
what
we're
deciding
it
yeah
is
an
appeal
right,
so
we
don't
want
to.
In
my
view,
we
shouldn't
be
creating
a
procedure
where
hundreds
of
applicants
for
minor
variations
come
in
and
say
I
want
you
to
consider
anew
what
the
standards
are
because
I
don't
like
the
decision.
I
got
it's
really
the
whole
point
of
having
an
appeal
procedure
is
for
us
to
give
deference
to
the
Zoning
Administrator
in
a
way
that
says:
did
they
did
they
get
it
obviously
wrong?
C
E
C
B
B
One,
the
requested
variation
will
not
be
material
materially
detrimental
to
the
public
welfare
or
injurious
to
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
neighbors
to
the
additional
screening
additional
height
or
requested
location
achieved
through
the
variation
will
assist
in
reducing
noise
screening,
incompatible
adjacent
uses
or
increased
safety
to
the
owners
of
the
subject,
property
or
abutting
properties.
Three,
in
no
event,
shall
a
variation
be
granted
that
would
permit
a
fence
taller
than
30
inches
to
be
located
within
20
feet
of
the
corner,
curb
line
of
an
intersection.
Thank
you
very.
M
M
B
E
J
C
C
To
me
that
keeping
the
kids
and
the
dog
in
is
not
something
that
requires
the
relief
being
sought.
So
really
the
question
to
me
is:
is
there
a
safety
concern
and
I
find
persuasive
the
fact
that
the
appellant
purchased
the
property
knowing
the
safety
risk
existed,
has
moved
into
the
property
and
hasn't
experienced
any
of
the
safety
problems?
C
He
wants
to
feel
safer
in
his
home.
There
isn't
a
real
safety
concern,
at
least
at
present,
in
that
there
hasn't
been
any
actual
invasion
of
the
property
and
there
haven't
even
been
any
of
the
nuisance.
Related
appearances
I
forget
what
the
exact
phrase
was.
I
do
think
it's
out
of
character
with
this
neighborhood
to
have
a
six-foot
fence
running
but
running
the
length
of
the
property,
and
it's
out
of
character
with
the
lakefront
to
have
that
and
I
am
dead
set
against
granting
the
appeal.
For
those
reasons.
Thank.
H
With
you,
Scott
I
actually
stood
right
there
at
the
4th
of
July.
There
was
a
he
huge
crowd
and
it
was
not
a
safety
concern
to
this
property.
I
feel
like
the
police
closed
at
park
at
night,
and
they
patrol
that
Park
on
a
regular
basis
and
I
feel
like
it's
it's
just
this
celebrity.
That's
asking
for
a
special
variance,
I
think
we
should
uphold
the
zoning
administrators
decision
in
this
case.
Q
M
Thank
you,
I
would
commend
what
it
sounds
like
we're:
significant
efforts
in
meeting
with
the
neighbors
in
trying
to
use
tools
to
envision
how
the
property
would
look.
It
sounds
like
that
was
well
done
and
I
appreciate
those
efforts
to
engage
the
neighbors.
However,
that
said
I
do
agree
with
the
comments
generally
voiced
by
other
members
here.
E
The
only
comment
that
I
would
make
is
that
the
a
large
fence
along
the
the
former
easement
has
been
there
forever.
It's
kind
of
a
fixture
in
the
neighborhood
and
the
lot
line
being
18
feet
behind
that
it
seems
as
though
a
4-foot
fence
along
the
property
line
would
being
so
far
removed
from
the
sidewalk,
would
I.
E
K
E
K
I
A
A
I
also
think
that
the
additional
screening,
the
additional
screening
additional
height
or
requested
location
achieved
through
the
variation
will
assist
in
reducing
noise
screening
and
kaboodle
uses
or
safety.
None
of
that
has
to
do
with
who
the
owners
are
right.
There
is
additional
screening
given
by
the
additional
height
there.
All
of
those
things
get
met,
and
the
last
one
is
that
it's
not
too
tall
and
it's
not
too
tall,
so
I
guess
I'm
struggling
with
how
these
standards
weren't
mats,
because
even
even
staffs
notes
are
that
that
number
one
that
that
standard
wasn't
Matt.
A
It
didn't
say
that
standard
was
not
Matt.
There's
no
comment
on
it,
so
I
think
that
that
standard
was
not
so
that's
where
I
differ
from
you
guys.
Normally
I
am
the
hard
line
on
that.
The
hardship
goes
with
the
property,
not
with
the
heute,
not
with
the
human
who
inhabits
the
house.
Unfortunately,
for
a
fence
there
is
no
hardship,
but.
C
A
It
would
definitely
have
an
effect
on
the
25-foot
lot
on
Sherman,
where
the
front
yard
is
nine
feet
deep.
That
is
a
whole
different
thing.
This
is
just
it's:
the
house
isn't
right
there.
The
house
is
set
further
back
and
there
just
seems
like
there's
enough
space
that
it's
not
causing
anybody
any
issue
out.
A
A
I
heard
from
Alderman
win
that
a
lot
that
the
majority
of
the
neighbors
now
say
that
that's
okay,
that
they've
come
to
an
agreement
that
they
understand
that
six
feet
is
a
that
650,
the
agreement
that
six
feets
okay
and
that
the
landscaping
will
between
six
and
eight
feet.
That's
what
I
heard
but
sous-sous
again,
we've
closed
the
record.
So
we
can't
engage.
But
elderman
wind
came
here
as
a
representative
of
that
group
of
people
by
a
group
I'm
assuming
it's
more
than
one
and
somehow
less
than
50.
A
E
A
But
it's
never
just
the
one
right.
We
always
think
about
the
collective
and
the
collective
I
think
mr.
Duran
was
even
part
of
that
meeting
with
alderman
Wynn
and,
although
he's
here
to
to
voice
his
concerns
about
it,
I
believe
that
he
was
part
of
that
agreement
and
I
I'm
not
trying
to
convince
you.
It's
just
I
am
having
a
tough
time,
seeing
how
what.
A
C
But
in
deciding
whether
to
grant
a
variation,
I
thought
you
have
to
ask:
what
is
the
purpose
of
the
variation
being
sought?
And
here
the
purpose
of
variation
being
sought
doesn't
require
the
relief
being
sought.
So,
in
my
view,
it's
a
common-sense
question
to
say
you
don't
need
this
variation,
you
have
a
you,
have
a
concern
that
can
be
met
by
erecting
a
compliant
fence.
I'm.
E
Further
troubled
by
the
suggestion,
even
that
that,
at
this
the
group
meeting
there
was,
there
was,
shall
I
say
a
capitulation
to
the
neighbors
that
they
could
perhaps
have
the
fence
removed
when
this
particular
individual
moved
from
the
house
which
says
that
the
these
hardships
are
not
about
the
property
they
are
about.
The
ends.
A
But
again,
one
none
of
the
standards
are
for
a
hard
job.
None
of
the
standards
asked
for
there
to
be
in
hardship,
an
actual
hardship,
and
you
guys
know
that
I
am
a
stickler
on
that
darn
hardship.
None
of
these
variants
standards
say
that
there
has
to
be
a
hardship,
none
of
them,
and
so
it
may
be
that
the
variance
standards
are
poorly
written
and
there
should
be
a
hardship.
A
E
C
There's
also
nothing
about
the
lot
size
I
mean
in
your
I,
understand,
you're
reading
it
in
a
way
that
you
think
you
ought
to
read
it
and
I'm
saying
we
ought
to
be
reading
it
in
a
way
that
says
why
are
they
doing
this
and
there's
a
safety
concern?
That's
been
expressed
and
it's
not
addressed
by
the
relief
being
sought.
The
safety
concern
can
be
met
by
a
compliant
fence.
The
safety
concern
is
currently
being
met
without
a
fence.
I.
I
A
A
C
C
E
A
M
B
A
Okay,
luckily,
it's
only
three
standards,
so
we're
gonna
go
pretty
fast,
okay,
so
the
variance
standards,
the
first
standard.
There
are
three
variants
standards
for
a
fence
variation,
and
the
first
is
that
the
requested
variation
will
not
be
materially
detrimental
to
the
public
welfare
or
injuries
to
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
neighbors.
I've
heard
testimony
that
the
adjoining
neighbors
do
not
find
the
six-foot
fence
to
be
injurious
that
that
information
may
not
have
been
available
to
the
Zoning
Administrator
at
that
time,
and
so
I
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
A
Number
two:
the
additional
screening
additional
height
or
requested
location
achieved
through
the
variation
will
assist
in
reducing
noise
screening,
incompatible
adjacent
uses
or
increase
safety
to
the
owners
of
the
subject,
property
or
abutting
properties.
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met
because
there's
been
testimony
that
there
is
a
concern
by
the
applicant
by
the
owner
of
security
concerns
at
the
property
and
by
being
able
to
have
that
fencing,
go
across
the
full
width
of
the
property
and
and
not
just
from
behind
the
front.
A
C
A
Number
three
and
no
event
shall
the
variation
be
granted
that
were
permitted
offense
taller
than
thirty
inches
to
be
located
within
20
feet
of
the
corner,
curb
line
of
an
intersection
that
is
not
applicable.
So,
given
that
we're
not
doing
a
motion
right,
okay,
all
right,
so
then
I
need
a
motion.
Please
I.
C
A
A
moved
in
seconded
all
those
in
favor
say
aye
as
opposed
nay,
so,
with
a
vote
of
4
to
1,
the
decisions
owning
administrators
decision
is
upheld.
So
is
there
a
second
motion
that
we
want
to
entertain:
yeah
standards?
Ok,
sorry,
5,
1
I
can't
do
math
all
right,
so
the
variance
standards
for
the
second
option
we
were
considering,
which
is
to
allow
them
to
do
a
fence,
a
wrought
iron
fence
that
is
consistent
with
the
height
that
is
the
established
height
in
the
neighborhood,
as
determined
by
whom,
as
determined
by
preservation,.
C
E
E
F
M
E
Y
A
Cherdon
across
okay,
so
the
19
through
right
so
on
Matt's
list
of
19
through
24.
They
all
have
a
three-foot
wrought
iron
fence
and
masonry
piers.
There
is
a
three-foot
wrought
iron
fence
with
five-foot
masonry,
piers
and
there's
a
four-foot
wrought
iron
fence
with
masonry
piers,
and
there
is
a
three-foot
wrought
iron
fence
with
six-foot
masonry
piers.
So
the
preponderance
is
three-foot.
There
are
a
couple
of
four
foots
and
the
piers
or
taller
or.
C
A
A
Q
Q
They
had
previous
I
would
say:
preservation
requirement
that
they
keep
in
sync
between
them
with
the
fences
and
out
prefer
to
have
this
as
just
aesthetic
over
there.
So
I
really
don't
know.
What's
the
height
of
the
fences
that
is
predominant
in
this
neighborhood,
but
I
would
say
that
for
us,
it's
safe
to
say
the
predominant.
C
B
A
A
C
A
I
said
three
yeah
three
foot
fence
with
a
four
float,
pier
okay.
So
whoever
makes
the
motion
pick
one
of
those
two
depending
on
which
way
you
want
the
vote
to
go
all
right,
so
we're
gonna
go
through
the
standards
and
the
standards
is
based
on
one
of
those
two
options
number
one:
the
requested
variation
will
not
be
materially
detrimental
to
the
public
welfare
or
injuries
to
the
use,
enjoyment
or
property
values
of
adjoining
neighborhood
of
adjoining
neighbors.
A
My
thoughts
are
not
that
not
different
from
the
first
time.
We
said
this
right,
which
is
what
they
agreed
to
a
six-foot
fence.
However,
the
the
four
foot
or
three
foot
fence
the
the
lower
fence
is
more
consistent
with
the
style
in
the
neighborhood
and
with
the
the
style
and
scale
in
the
neighborhood.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
met.
I
will.
C
A
Number
two:
the
additional
screening
additional
height
or
requested
location
achieved
through
the
variation
will
assist
in
reducing
noise
screening,
incompatible
adjacent
uses
or
increase
safety
to
the
owners
of
the
subject,
property
or
a
button
properties,
offense,
lower
height
fence,
but
with
additional
landscape
screening,
we'll
still
be
able
to
assist
in
reducing
the
perception
of
security
issues
above
the
subject
property.
So
I
do
believe
that
that
standard
has
been
that
I.
Don't.
A
M
A
C
A
C
C
C
E
A
On
I'd
like
to
make
a
I'd
like
to
make
a
modification,
I
think
that
Melissa
and
I
have
come
to
an
agreement
on
a
way
that
we
can.
Let
staff
settle
this
in
a
way
that
I
think
might
be
amenable
to
Scott,
which
is
that
we,
the
height,
will
be
as
determined
by
a
Zoning
Administrator,
based
on
an
average
based
on
the
predominant,
the
predominant
height
on
Sheridan
Road
between
Main,
Street
and
Kedzie.
Z
A
F
A
C
I'll
make
the
motion
I
move
in
the
matter:
zba
18,
zmj,
v,
zero,
zero,
five,
nine
that
we
approve
the
zoning
relief
requested
at
a
height
to
be
determined
by
the
Zoning
Administrator,
that
is,
the
predominant
height
of
other
fences
on
the
block
of
Sheridan
Road
between
Kedzie
and
main.
Second,
it's.