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From YouTube: Hol CC 08 09 21 Special
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Hollister City Council Special Meeting August 9, 2021
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H
Council
member
burns
here-
city
manager,
miller
here,
city
attorney,
epperson
here,
police
chief
renoso
here.
Thank
you
posting
for
the
agenda.
The
agenda
for
the
city
of
hollister
city
council
meeting
of
august
9
2021,
was
posted
on
the
bulletin
board
on
august
5th
2021
at
4,
24
p.m.
For
government
code,
section
54956.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
mayor
the
first
one,
we'll
start
out
with
we'll
just
do
it
pretty
much
in
order
of
how
it
was
agendized.
Is
the
san
diego
county,
animal
control
contract
this
contract
just
extended
july
1st
for
another
two
years,
so
we
have
two
years
left
on
it,
so
in
june
of
2023
and
the
county
pays
50
of
our
animal
control
expenditures
if
there,
if
there
is
a
desire,
oh
whoops,
I
got
hand
signals
that
I
got
the
number
wrong.
What
was
that
again?
55
55?
A
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
whatever
that's
what
I'm
that's
what
I
had
written
down.
So
I
I'm
sorry
if
I
said
it
wrong
and
if
we
want
to
terminate
the
contract,
it
has
a
60-day
termination
clause
that
so
I
think
we're
just
open
for
questions.
I
don't
we
don't
have
any
really
set
style
on
this.
These
items,
okay,
councilman.
G
E
E
C
Thank
you
I'd
like
if
we
can
get
some
data
to
the
council
members
as
to
where
the
calls
are
coming
from
how
many
are
within
the
city,
how
many
are
within
the
county
just
to
ensure
that
you
know
that
our
data
represents
or
reflects
what
our
contract
is
stating
and
they're
paying
their
fair
share.
So
if
we
get
some
numbers
to
us,
that
would
be
very
much
appreciated.
G
G
A
There
is
no
number
of
days
or
years
associated
with
this
one,
but
currently
the
county
pays
50
of
the
of
the
expenditures
and
the
termination
clause
on
that
contract
is
90
days
and
that
person
has
been
50
with
us
for
housing
related
items
and
then
fit
fifty
percent.
What
the
the
county,
but
she
they
are.
The
person
is
a
city
employee
and
is
controlled
by
us.
E
A
Yeah
I
mean
we
do
have
our
our
timekeeping,
that
we
we
do
so
we
have
that
and
then
I
do
know,
because
the
person
monitors
the
or
housing
grants
or
loans
that
we've
done,
that
there
are
items
that
they
have
to
do
for
as
part
of
our
single
audit
for
our
federal
programs
that
they
have
to
do
so.
I
mean
I
do
know
of
the
items
that
they're
working
on,
but
abraham
is
that
person
supervisor.
If
you
had
some
additional
questions.
E
I
would
appreciate
that
the
purpose
for
my
question
is
I'm
wondering
if
we
wouldn't
just
simply
benefit
more
by
having
a
full-time,
employee,
sole
sourcing,
the
city
of
hollister,
I
mean
we
have
serious
needs,
correct
and,
and
I
would
rather
move
in
that
direction
if
the
council
supported
that
thought.
So
those
are
my
comments
and
questions.
Thank
you,
mr
city
manager.
Thank
you
mayor.
Thank
you.
C
Thank
you.
I
hope
100
wholeheartedly
agree
with
you
councilmember
burns
from
my
experience
being
here
the
last
few
years.
This
position
has
probably
lobbied,
I
would
say,
for
more
county
housing
aggressively.
We've
made
several
requests
to
address
some
pretty
critical
issues
such
as
an
inclusive.
You
know,
affordable
housing,
implementation
that
did
not
get
done.
C
It
was
kicked
down
the
road
and,
from
my
experience,
the
only
thing
that
I've
seen
out
of
this
position
was
the
grants,
but
I
would
rather
much
have
an
in-house
person
under
abraham
full-time,
focusing
on
that
and
possibly
with
some
other
things
in
planning
department.
This
just
is
not
a
good
contract
and
it
hasn't
worked
out
for
us
and
if
the
county
feels
differently,
then
they
can
take
on
the
contract.
So
I
100
agree
with
you
and
I
support
terminating
this
contract
and
hiring
a
full-time
person
within
for
planning
department
to
do
this
job.
G
Okay,
thank
you,
sir.
I
I
would
agree
also.
I
think
we
have
a
lot
of
needs
in
the
city.
I
was
pretty
disappointed
to
find
the
request,
year
after
year,
to
put
together
an
affordable
housing
program,
never
was
implemented
after
numerous
requests
and
to
find
basically
more
information
coming
back
as
far
as
what
the
county
wanted.
Instead,
I
was
like
you
know,
we're
we're
already
suffering
here
and
we
we
need
to
be
focused
on
our
own
community
here
and
implement
some
of
these
programs,
so
I
totally
do
agree
with
both.
A
G
A
A
We
provide
them
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year.
The
county
provides
another
hundred
thousand
and
the
termination
clause
on
that
one
is
180
days
and
the
idea
was
for
the
edc
to
help
bring
different
businesses
in,
and
I
think
all
the
council
members
have
seen
their
presentations
from
mark
fontes
from
edc,
so
just
available
for
questions.
E
E
Notice,
right
yeah,
my
my
my
recommendation
to
the
council
would
be
that
we
terminate
this
contract
in
six
months
and
I
would
like
to
explore
other
alternatives.
We
definitely
need
economic
development,
but
I've
not
heard
or
seen
anything
that
suggests
to
me
that
we've
gotten
our
value
for
our
investment.
Thank
you
right.
A
And
I'll
add
on
that,
abraham
and
myself
and
a
few
other
different
staffers
we're
having
conversations
with
different
players
and
their
big
thing
is
they
want
promises
from
city
staff
to
get
things
done
so
a
lot
of
them
that
are
coming
they've
already
have
their
plan
the
the
like
their
plan?
Is
they
want
promises
so
they
can
get
their
projects
done
panettone
doing
the
amazon
project,
they
came
last
november
and
said:
can
you
promise
to
do
everything
you
can
so
that
we
can
be
done
in
november
and
they're
going
to
be
done?
A
E
A
E
C
C
I
think
this
is
a
field
that
requires
some
type
of
specialist
or
a
specialty,
to
really
go
out
there
to
really
advocate
strongly
and
to
show
us
the
businesses
that
they
brought
in
to
to
help
generate
revenue
that
are
a
good
fit
for
our
community,
and
I
know
that
our
staff
is
is
very
accommodating
and
they
do
a
fantastic
job.
The
amazon
deal
was
just
was
just
one
thing
that
they
got
done,
but
I
think
we
can
do
more.
So
again,
I'm
open
to
suggestions
we
either.
C
G
Thank
you,
sir.
You
know
I
agree.
I
did
not
support
this
originally,
I
was
had
my
concerns
and
it's
time
to
cut
this
contract
move
forward,
whether
it
be
someone
in
in-house,
as
was
mentioned
here,
to
process
some
of
these
applications
much
sooner
than
some
of
them
were
processed,
but
also,
I
think
the
biggest
part
is
the
commitment
a
business
wants
to
come
in.
G
J
Yeah,
I
would
just
like
to
understand
what
what
it
is
we're
going
to
be
replacing
them
with
before
they're
replaced.
I
you
know
we
if
it's
not
working,
let's
change
it
to
something,
but
we
just
I
just
would
have
liked
to
have
a
clearer
vision
of
what
it's
going
to
look
like
that
we're
having
in
place.
C
Thank
you,
that's
an
excellent
point.
I
I
just
think
that
the
one
setback
is
that
we
have
a
time
crunch
that
we
have
to
start
the
process,
and
I
can
just
tell
you
from
my
experience
that
we
haven't
been
getting
much
return
on
our
investment
either
way.
So
I
think
that
we
start
that
process
now
and
then
we
start
those
conversations
and
even
if
we
there's
like
a
little
bit
of
an
overlap,
I
think
that
the
benefit
far
out
outweigh
the
risk.
G
G
What
we
have
to
do
is
focus
on
filling
those
1500
acres
by
letting
firms
know
that
we
have
ability
to
move
them
in
quick
process
quickly
and
get
them
going
in
right
now,
in
today's
time
and
age,
it's
about
speed
of
processing
to
get
those
businesses
in.
That's
what
I
think
that's
why
these
other
firms
that
are
coming
in
now?
That's
why
they're
coming
in
and
if
we're
letting
the
people
know
that
more
than
we'll
follow,
and
I
I
don't
think
we
should
be
going.
G
As
I
said,
on
these
different
directions,
we
just
need
to
be
focused
and
bring
them
to
that
area
and
see
what
else
we
need.
We've
talked
about
this
also
making
sure
some
of
these
other
areas
are
prepared
plan
wise
zoning
wise.
So
when
they
do
come
through,
it's
all
ready
to
go
we're
not
held
up
any
longer.
That's
what
I
think
would
be
the
answer,
and
then,
of
course
it
was
mentioned.
I
think,
planning
what
the
the
staffing
requirements
are
going
to
need.
F
A
A
E
C
Thank
you.
I
respectfully
disagree
and
again
they
came
at
the
same
time
to
the
with
the
edc,
to
ask,
and
I
I
might
have
supported
this
contract.
I
believe,
because
I
had
hoped
that
we
would
see
a
good
return
on
our
investment,
so
I
do
not
support,
and
I
know
it's
very
taboo
to
say
that
that
we
should
not
have
a
chamber
of
commerce.
My
understanding
is,
I
think
I
could
be
speaking
not
correctly
here,
but
I
think
the
city
of
san
juan
batista
also
is
no
longer
contracting
with
them.
C
I
think
that,
in
my
opinion,
the
chamber
and
the
edc
do
a
lot
of
lobbying
for
the
county's
interests
and
needs,
but
I
don't
see
a
lot
of
return
investment
within
our
city.
So
if
we
do
choose
to
stay
with
them,
then
I
would
love
to
see
more
data
and
statistics
and
numbers
showing
that
we,
you
know
we
made
a
good
investment,
we're
getting
return
on
our
investment.
So
that
would
be
my
one
feedback
on
this
item,
but
I
do
not
support
staying
with
the
chamber
of
commerce
either.
J
Thank
you.
I
totally
support
the
chamber
of
commerce.
I
love
what
they're
doing
to
to
help
promote
our
business
downtown
and
also
the
counties,
the
wineries
all
these
different
things.
I
like
their
vision
that
they're
I've
sat
in
in
some
of
their
meetings
and
I
think
not
as
many
as
I
wanted
to,
but
they
I
truly
support
them.
I
think
it's
a
good
thing,
although
you
know
I
can
agree
with
you.
Vice
mayor
recently,
it'd
be
neat
to
see
exactly
what
all
these
contracts
are
doing
for
us.
J
A
G
A
G
G
I
see
it
as
an
arm
the
chamber,
I
see
an
arm
as
a
county,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
work
they've
been
doing
has
been
good
work,
but
it's
more
geared
towards
bringing
in
things
to
the
county,
and
I
I
want
to.
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
for
is
seeing
that
commitment
from
the
county,
not
just
through
us,
because
I
think
that's
really
important.
If
this
is
ever
going
to
work
as
far
as
a
partnership,
so
I
would
say
I'm
still
torn
on
this
one.
I'd
like
to
see
some
goals.
G
G
I
think
again,
if
we're
going
to
stay
here,
we
need
to
understand
what
that
means
with
the
county,
because
without
the
county's
partnership
it
doesn't
make
sense
for
us
again
to
be
promoting
county
issues
when
we
need
to
be
focused
on
again
bringing
business
here
into
our
own
downtown
or
our
own
community
first
and
then
working
with
the
county.
I
I
need
to
see
that
I
haven't
seen
that
yet
and
I
I
want
to
know
where
the
county
is
going.
That's
that's
where
I'm
torn
okay.
E
E
Thank
you,
and
did
I
hear
you
say
that
the
city
contributes
about
twice
as
much
as
the
county,
I
believe
so.
Well,
I
guess
I
I
would
change
my
perspective
to
a
certain
degree.
I
agree
with
both
the
mayor
and
vice
mayor,
but
if
we're
paying
two-thirds
of
the
money
that
is
contributed,
maybe
we
should
get
two-thirds
of
the
benefit
of
their
commitment
and
and
maybe
do
we
have
a
mou
with
them
that
clearly
defines
what
specifically
the
expectations
are
or
frames
that.
A
Yeah,
I
don't
believe
the
mlu
speaks
from
the
county's
perspective,
I'm
not
a
chamber
expert,
but
I
believe
some
of
their
other
funding
sources
is
from
their
membership
also
in
sponsors.
So
we're
not
we're
only
a
piece
of
their
their
revenue
source,
but
it
sounds
like
council's
somewhat
split
on
this.
So
what
what
I
can
do
is
try
to
see
if
we
can
get.
A
Sorry-
and
maybe
a
couple
council
members
in
the
chamber
to
explain
their
goals
or
the
goals
of
the
different
agencies
or
at
a
minimum
if
the
if
the
county
doesn't
want
to
participate
I'll,
do
a
special
meeting
with
the
chamber
and
the
council
to
at
least
maybe
have
a
a
good
sit
down
with
them
and
discuss
their
how
they're
funded
how
their
goals
are.
They
may
meet
the
different
things
that
how
we
benefit
from
them.
E
I
appreciate
that
I
just
want
to
say
I'm
frustrated
by
the
fact
that
we
seem
to
always
pay
the
lion's
share
of
things
and,
if
we're
gonna,
if
we're
gonna
pay
for
it,
then
it
would
be
good
to
have
some
clearly
defined
expectations
framed
so
that
there
are
performance
measures
and
metrics
that
could
be
established
to
see,
because
again,
we've
got
another
three
years
to
go
on
this
correct
correct.
So
I
think
that
would
be
good
and-
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
what
what
comes
of
that.
Thank
you,
sir.
A
A
We
contribute
75
000
per
year
to
them
their
termination
clause
is
90
days,
but
hda
is
also
another
member
that
is
helping
us
with
our
planning
our
150
year
celebration.
They
helped
us
also
with
the
parklet
program
and
as
of
last
saturday
night.
They
also
helped
us
with
the
street
closure
and
working
with
getting
businesses
aware
of
the
activities
that
we
are
doing
downtown.
C
Thank
you
I'll,
be
the
first
to
admit
that
I
was
one
of
the
harshest
critics
when
the
when
the
hga
was
under
the
direction
of
the
past
two.
I
think
eds,
because
I
again
I
I
was
a
business
owner
at
the
time
and
then
I
became
a
council
member
and
I
did
not
see
them
living
their
mission
so
to
speak
right.
But
when
corey
came
on
board,
she
really
adapted
she
partnered
with
the
city.
She
was
so
flexible
during
covid
and
that's
what
I
want
to
see
from
our
partners.
C
I
want
to
see
return
on
investment.
I
want
to
see
numbers
and
I
want
to
see
the
businesses
I
I
just
I've
got
to
see
this
and
she
doesn't
meddle
in
my
opinion,
like
some
of
these
other
agencies
do
to
politically
on
measures
or
or
one
way
or
the
other,
which
I
really
appreciate.
She's.
You
know
she
stays
neutral
and
she
just
does
her
job
and
all
of
the
businesses.
I've
talked
to
are
very
happy
with
her.
C
You
know
all
of
the
events
that
I
see
are
just
fun,
uplifting,
positive
events
and
she
works
hard.
You
know
so
I
don't
know
if
you
guys
have
heard
or
not,
but
she's
planning
on
leaving
the
hd,
which
I'm
really
saddened
to
hear
about,
but
since
corey
has
been
there,
they
I've
just
seen
so
much
adaptability,
so
much
advocacy
so
much
flexibility,
I've,
just
I've,
really
been
happy
with
them.
Like
the
mayor
said,
I
feel
like
they
really
are
an
extension
of
the
city,
so
I
can't
say
enough
things
about
the
hga.
E
E
E
It's
starting
everything,
just
kind
of
feels
like
things
are
starting
to
come
together,
nice
and
I
think
they're
a
big
part
of
that
and
frankly,
I
wouldn't
mind
actually
giving
less
to
some
and
more
to
others,
and
maybe
maybe
we
look
at
giving
a
greater
amount
of
money
for
them
to
accomplish
the
missions
that
we
would
like
to
mutually
see
come
to
fruition.
Thank
you.
Those
are
my
comments.
Thank
you,
sir
sure.
A
J
The
I
hda
is
doing
a
exceptional
job
and
we
will
miss
corey,
but
you
know
what
the
thing
one
of
the
great
things
about
corey
is
she's,
set
a
process
and
and
not
only
a
standard
high,
but
she's
already
put
this
the
other
staff
corey's
done
a
wonderful
job,
but
I
think
all
the
other
stuff
that's
been
in
place
also
is
terry
jenn
and
all
the
other
are
new.
I
can't
think
of
their
names,
bree
and
and
her
they're
all
doing
a
wonderful
job
over
there.
J
G
G
If
they're
getting
to
the
point
of
endorsing
this
resource,
it
really
poisons
the
well
all
the
way
around,
and
I
think
we
should
make
that
a
policy.
If
any
of
the
groups
we're
working
with
get
involved
in
politics,
we
should
not
be
finding
them
it.
It
just
became
a
mess.
I
mentioned
several
years
back.
I
was
extremely
disappointed
with
the
downtown
association.
G
I
was
a
previous
president
of
the
downtown
association
and
I
can
remember
almost
20
years
ago,
trying
so
hard
to
bring
outdoor
dining
to
the
downtown
and
we
were
making
progress
and,
as
I
left
it
became
nobody
wants
to
eat
outside.
Are
you
crazy
and
year
after
year
I
pushed
and
pushed
let's
bring
outdoor
dine.
This
is
where
people
want
to
be,
and
it
just
became
worse
and
worse
and
worse
as
far
as
no
no.
No,
then
it
became
an
issue
of.
G
If
you
ask
the
business
owner,
have
you
spoken
with
hda?
The
answer
was
basically
who's,
the
hda
I
mean
they
forgot
about
their
membership,
but
in
the
last
year
I
have
to
say
I've
been
so
extremely
happy
with
the
downtown
association
omar.
You
might
be
part
of
that
all
those
times.
You
try
to
stop
me
and
have
conversations,
but
it
turned
around
and
it's
turned
around
in
a
way
that
I'm
just
absolutely
the
happiest
mayor
there
is
having
the
downtown
association
in
our
community.
A
G
G
So
we
had
all
the
ideas
ready,
but
we're
gonna
need
that
lead
person
that
can
help
us
through
it
that
partnership
that
just
happened
this
weekend
with
the
rec
department
hd
again
shows
what
we
can
do.
They
are
constantly
meeting
with
businesses
here
in
downtown
and
the
sense
I
get
from
most
businesses
are
they're
extremely
happy
right
now
in
our
downtown.
So
I
think
this
is
a
conversation
we
need
to
have
a
deeper
conversation
figure
out
how
we
could
give
them
the
support.
G
J
Actually,
if
I
made
the
because
I'll
go,
I
walk
through
downtown
and
I
like
talking
to
the
business
owners.
Also,
one
thing
I
find
is
that
they
are
all
informed
about
what's
going
on,
and
that
is
huge,
because
that
gives
them
an
opportunity
to
participate
and
to
make
it
that
much
better
of
bringing
people
downtown
to
generate
get
people
out
of
the
house
and
also
to
just
for
hollister
to
be
hollister,
it's
friendly
and
and
fun
and
yeah
so
great
job.
Mr
mayor.
G
G
A
Okay,
the
next
one
is
four
leaf.
There's
their
contract
is
ongoing,
there's
no
really
end
date
or
their
their
agreement
is
that
they
get
65
percent
of
our
or
planning
fees
that
that
sorry
they're
the
building
inspection
fees
that
they
bring
in
there's
a
10-day
clause.
I
will
say,
based
on
what
council
gave
me
direction
during
the
fee
discussion,
to
go
back
and
talk
to
four
leaf.
They
have
agreed
to
to
give
us
a
more
a
bigger
percentage.
They
would
requested
the
split
to
be
57.5
percent
for
them
and
42.5
to
us.
A
Like
I
say
in
prior
discussions
that
we've
said
when
it
comes
to
building
inspections,
when
the
residential
and
even
commercial
business
kind
of
goes
as
a
yoyo
there.
The
nice
thing
about
having
a
contract
service
is
they're
responsible
for
having
to
lay
people
off
when
the
development
industry
takes
a
nosedive.
I
know
when
I
was
at
before
here
butte
county.
It
was
during
the
great
start
of
the
great
recession
they
they
couldn't
lay
off
building
inspectors
fast
enough-
and
I
know
that's
what
happened
in
discussions.
A
That's
what
happened
here
and
that's
when
they
switch
over
to
four
leaf.
It's
they're
able
to
staff
up
quicker
than
we
can.
They
can
pull
from
different
cities
that
they're
providing
services
for
so,
if
it's
a
heavy
inspection
day,
they
can
bring
the
other
inspectors
in
or
if
it's
a
slow
day,
they
can
send
them
out
to
other
places
which,
if
we
had
a
staff
of
ourselves,
they
would
just
be
sitting
around
sitting
around
we'll
find
them
with
some
work,
but
but
basically
that
we're
not
having
them
do
what
we
need
them
to
do
so.
E
A
So
what
they
will
have
here
on
every
day
is
they
have
two
counter
people
they
have
their
lead
person,
and
so
that's
just
the
three
that
here
every
day
and
they
all
have
inspectors
from
say
two
to.
I
think
I've
seen
about
15
out
there
waiting
to
go
out,
so
there
there's
quite
a
few
inspectors
in
hollister
at
a
time.
I
think
I
can
get
that
information
from
you
too.
F
E
That's
really
the
conversation
to
to
figure
it
out,
because
I
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
I
prefer
full-time
employees
to
contracts
whenever
possible
and
so
it'd
be
helpful
for
me
to
understand,
but
but
I'm
not
sold
on
four
leaf
and
it's
got
nothing
to
do
with
them
or
their
quality
or
their
service.
It's
got
everything
to
do
with
650
000
bucks
a
year
is
a
lot
of
bucks
and
if
we
could
have
full-time
employees,
I
would
much
prefer
that.
Thank
you.
That's
my
comments
for
now
and
I
look
forward
to
additional
information
being
provided.
E
C
Thank
you
yeah.
I
support
your
position,
councilmember
burns.
I
think,
but
it's
important
if
we're
gonna
really
look
at
that,
we
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
comparing
apples
to
apples
or
just
oranges
so
to
speak.
I
don't
know
if
one
I
think
you
said
administrator,
then
one
person
under
him
is
enough
to
cover
the
amount
of
work
that
was
done
within
that
past
year.
C
So
I
think
we
really
need
some
more
information
to
get
a
good
look
at
that
and
to
make
that
that
decision
right,
how
many
people
were
actually
servicing
us
and
then
how
many?
How
much
calls
did
we
get?
So
I
think
that
we
need
to
in
order
to
make
a
more
informed
decision.
Then
we
should
probably
look
at
the
data
a
little
bit
better,
but
I'm
definitely
open
to
that
and
again
I
I've
got
nothing
against
ford
leaf.
I'm
I'm
just
simply
exploring
options
to
advocate
for
the
interests
of
our
citizens.
A
E
Using
that
perfect
what
I
would
as
it
relates
to
the
number
of
hours
per
year,
I
think
it'd
be
very
helpful
to
know
how
much
counter
time
for
a
for
a
permit
tech
a
how
many
hours
a
year
are
we
actually
using
a
building
official
and
then
plan
our
building
inspectors,
whether
it
be
a
standard
building
inspector
as
in
a
residential
or
a
combination,
or
I
think
that
would
just
be
helpful.
My
my.
F
E
E
The
other
thing
is
I'd
also
like
to
maybe
explore
other
companies
that
provide
similar
services,
because
they're
by
no
means
the
only
one
out
there,
and
maybe
maybe
we
find
that
there
are
better
deals
to
be
had
with
you
know,
same
level
of
service.
I'd
also
like
to
know
what
their
turnaround
time
is
for
a
permit
request
to
the
time
that
they
actually
come
rolling
in.
K
G
G
10
years
ago,
you
know,
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
building
departments
throughout
the
bay
area
and
what
I've
noticed
about
four
leaf,
and
some
of
these
other
companies
now
is
their
level
of
expertise.
They
can
sometimes
a
project
can
get
pretty
complicated
and
you're
going
to
need
some
different
people
on
staff
that
can
understand
some
of
those
different
plans.
G
I
I
would
think,
if
you're
going
to
be
trying
to
do
this,
if
we're
going
to
try
to
do
this
on
our
own
you're,
looking
at
a
staff
of
six
to
seven-
probably
eight
in
reality
to
make
it
work
from
what
I've
seen
what
I
see
out
there
in
different
cities,
and
that
makes
it
tough,
because
once
it
comes
down
it's
it's
it's
a
hard
thing
to
keep
people
working
and
the
last
thing
we
ever
want
to
do
is
lay
people
off.
I
never
want
to
do
that.
G
I
think
they've
done
a
good
job
and
I'm
not
opposed
to
by
the
way
making
sure
we're
we're
bidding
that
out
and
again
the
best
we
can,
but
I
think
the
what
sold
me
on
a
few
of
these
were
when
there
was
a
complex
issue.
They
had
staff
in
other
offices
that
they
would
get
those
answers
and
where
I
know,
if,
if
we
didn't,
we
would
not
be
able
to
do
it,
and
I
lean
more
towards
some
of
these
and
you're.
A
G
Yeah,
so
you
understand
it's
the
law.
The
codes
are
changing
so
fast,
now,
they're
getting
so
complicated.
It's
it's
getting
tough
to
keep
up
with
with
all
the
changes
that
are
being
required
out
there
and
for
good
reason.
I
you
know
not
everything.
I
agree
with
what
the
state
does
on
on
some
of
these
codes,
but
we
see
things
that
really
start
to
make
sense
down
the
road.
So
that's
where
I
sit
on
this,
but
we
should
have
conversation,
and
I
would
agree
with
that.
Okay,
do
you
have
any
speakers.
F
A
Okay,
real
quick
I'll
run
through
the
next
three
kind
of
like
what
their
contract
is,
but
we
staff
was
going
to
recommend
that
the
next
three
actually
be
brought
to
the
ad
hoc
committee
to
discuss
but
they're
pretty
much
all
in
sync,
their
number
they're
a
six-year
contract
with
plus
three-year
extensions
allowed.
So
we're
about
four
and
a
half
years
left
on
the
contract.
It
ends
december
of
2025..
A
That
is
staff's
recommendation
is
to
start
with
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
have
them
discuss
everything
because
pretty
much
it
all
goes,
it
would
say
we
keep
the
contract
or
we
get
rid
of
the
contract.
It
all
depends
on
what
we
do
with
fire.
So
I
think
that's
where
it
kind
of
needs
to
go
in
the
hands
of
the
ad
hoc
committee
to
discuss
where
we're
going.
E
With
fire,
thank
you
mayor
city
manager,
I
I
agree
with
the
direction
to
take
it
to
the
ad
hoc
committee.
I
do
have
one
question
sure
in
regards
to
the
lease
for
41
000
a
year
for
the
fire
station
in
san
juan
batista
and
again
I'd
I'd.
Much
rather
look
for
a
piece
of
property
to
buy
to
build
a
state-of-the-art
fire
station
at
or
you
know,
by
this
property
negotiate
a
deal
to
own
the
building
versus
41k.
E
A
A
I
Hi
I'm
charlie
berdola.
I
am
your
acting
fire
chief,
mr
mayor
and
city
council.
Thank
you
for
having
us
up
here
yeah.
I
would
suggest
that
we
do
bring
it
to
the
addock
committee,
because
there's
a
lot
of
creativity
that
went
into
this
and
once
we
get
down
there
and
we
get
in
get
into
the
books
and
numbers
you'll
understand
what
the
rationale
was
on
the
thinking
of
how
we
did
what
and
how
we
did
this,
and
why
we're
doing
this
to
that.
G
B
I
Yeah,
I
mean
you'll
be
surprised
with
the
numbers.
We
have
a
lot
of
good
numbers
and
since
you've
been
coming
up-
and
you
keep
hitting
us
and
harping
us
on
the
justification,
we've
actually
created
some
good
numbers
and
we
have
some
good
charts
that
we
can
bring
to
you
and
some
justification
on
that.
As
far
as
call
wise
and
it's
called
inspection
wise
and
dollars
split
up
who's,
bringing
in
what
also
so,
I'm
actually
excited
to
bring
it
to
you
guys
to
to
the
ad
hoc
and
the
council.
J
I
Absolutely
I
mean
if
the
ad
hoc
is
open
to
I
mean
we
absolutely
have
to
get
buy
off
from
from
the
union
board
too.
So
if
we
find
out
who
it
is,
we
can
we
could
have
staff,
coordinate
that
meeting
and
we'll
we'll,
coordinate
and
schedule
it
as
soon
as
possible
as
soon
as
we
want
to
get
this
so
we'll
get
it
going,
coordinate
with
the
ad
hoc
committee
and
the
union
board
and
then
we'll
move
we'll
move
forward.
J
G
We'll
start
going
through
those
numbers
and
understanding
how
it
evolves,
how
it
was
created
originally
and
again
why
it
can
work,
but
how
it
can
fail,
and
that's
what
that's
again.
As
I
said
earlier,
it's
frustrating
the
worst
thing
we
can
do
as
a
community
have
to
lay
off
people,
because
we
don't
understand
long-term
projections
or
numbers
and
that's
how
we
got
into
trouble
in
the
past.
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
clear
and
not
end
up
in
a
bad
situation.
I
G
E
A
G
I
A
A
We
have
a
one
year
contract
with
one
year
automatic
renewal,
so
we
have
one
more
year
left.
So
it
ends
at
the
june
of
2022.
We
pay
approximately
76
000
a
a
year
for
it.
It's
180
days
to
in
the
in
the
least
or
in
the
the
agreement
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
the
chief
to
try
to
explain
this
kind
of
a
weird
thing
that
we're
paying
for
yes,.
B
B
The
original
dispatch
center
here
has
to
be
maintained.
It's
an
emergency
answering
system.
If
the
lines
are
ever
cut
or
severed,
dispatchers
from
santa
cruz
will
come
down
to
our
original
dispatch
center
and
operate
from
there.
They
actually
do
that
once
a
month
on
a
regular
basis
once
a
month
to
make
sure
everything's
operational
there.
I
discovered
this
contract
back
in
2014.
B
My
memo
is
attached
to
to
this
report
and
in
it
I
I
pointed
out
several
areas
where
I
thought
that
the
contract
was
not
was
not
equitable
for
the
city
and
among
them
was
the
fact
that
we
were
paying
for
a
percentage
of
well.
First
of
all,
we're
paying
65
percent
of
everything
and
that's
based
on
the
previous
contract.
With
the
county,
we
were
roughly
65
percent
of
the
radio
traffic
in
our
old
dispatch
center.
So
we
used
to
pay
65
of
the
cost
of
all
the
costs.
B
B
What
we
were
dealing
with
was
machinery
that
was
on
or
off,
and
the
the
county
sheriff's
office
needed
them
needed
that
machine
on
just
like
we
did
so
that
the
more
equitable
thing
would
be
to
50
and
in
addition
to
that,
they
had
staff
that
were
supposed
to
be
there
and
we
were
paying
65
percent
of
that
person's
staff.
The
the
cost
of
having
that
person
the
county
advised
us
that
santa
cruz
9-1-1
wanted
a
person
there
and
that's
why
the
cost
of
that
person
was
there
when
we
met
with
santa
cruz
one
one.
B
They
said
they
never
wanted
anyone
there.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
they
would
like
it
for
the
doors
to
remain
locked
and
nobody
to
go
in
there
at
all
similar
to
their
psap
in
watsonville,
where,
even
though
it's
at
the
police
department
they're
the
only
ones
with
the
key,
they
reported
that
they've
gone
in
there
several
times
and
finding
things
out
of
place,
and
they
would
prefer
nobody
to
be
in
there.
B
B
In
addition
to
that,
they
were
charging
us
janitorial
fees
for
that
room
when,
as
you
recall,
they
were
the
santa
cruz
dispatchers.
Were
there
only
one
day
out
of
the
month
and
only
for
a
few
hours,
and
they
advised
they
didn't,
need
anybody
to
go
in
there
and
clean,
because
they
would
take
any
trash
that
they
took
in
there
themselves.
B
B
B
But
we'll
take
your
recommendation
and
only
charge
you
50
percent
of
that,
so
they
want
45
000
instead
of
the
75
or
that
we
were
paying
throughout
this
whole
time,
we've
been
asking
to
meet
together
to
come
to
a
more
equitable
contract
and
instead
of
meeting
with
us
and
discussing
this,
they
came
up
with
this
proposal
on
their
own.
They
included
a
memo,
an
analysis
from
the.
F
B
E
Thank
you,
mayor
chief.
What
would
it
take
to
create
our
own
communication
center?
I
know
a
number
of
years
ago
there
was
one
over
in
the
county
building
and
it
was,
I
think
it
was
a
shared
facility
but-
and
I
know
we're
a
small
police
department,
but
I
I
come
from
a
small
police
department
that
originally
dispatched
out
at
county
communication,
santa
clara
county.
Ultimately,
at
the
time
chief
todd,
as
I
recall,
pushed
forward
to
have
a
communication
center
established
for
the
town
of
los
gatos
and
it
was.
E
It
was
costly
to
start
with,
but
over
time
number
one.
It
gave
us
complete
control
and
number
two.
It
gave
us
24
7
dispatch
service
and
I
think
it
provided
a
higher
level
of
service
for
our
community,
and
I
would
be
real
interested
in
seeing
some
sort
of
a
of
a
study
to
see
if
it's
something
to
phase
into
feasibly.
E
E
B
Miss
mayor
of
council
member
burns,
we've
actually
been
thinking
about
that
thinking
ahead.
On
that
it's
one
of
the
things
I
was
going
to
bring
up
when
mayor
advised
that
we
report
to
you
on
a
more
regular
basis
having
our
own
dispatch
center
would
would
bring
a
tremendous
amount
of
benefits
to
our
services
to
our
community,
for
instance,
the
downtown
cameras
that
we
have
right
now.
Many
agencies
that
have
cameras
like
that
have
their
dispatchers
with
access
to
those
cameras.
B
So
when
there's
a
call
for
service
in
an
area
where
there's
a
camera,
they
can
turn
that
camera
on
if
they
don't
have
it
on
already
and
guide
our
officers
in
and
tell
our
officers
what
actually
is
going
on,
what's
being
captured
on
that
camera?
Currently,
our
dispatchers
in
santa
cruz
don't
offer
that
they
they
don't.
That's
not
one
of
the
services
that
they
have
agreed
to.
B
Currently
on
monday
mornings,
our
our
record
staff
are
busy
trying
to
complete
all
the
records,
all
the
reports
that
need
to
be
processed
to
go
to
our
da's
office
or
wherever
they
need
to
go
dispatchers
working
at
night.
After
perhaps
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
It
slows
down,
you
know,
statistically
it
slows
down.
They
can
work
on
that
and
those
reports
could
be
ready
to
go
in
the
morning.
B
There's
multiple
benefits,
especially
now
with
our
our
our
supervisor
for
records,
who
used
to
be
a
dispatcher
and
operate
a
dispatch
center,
she's
very
helpful
in
in
showing
us
all
the
benefits
of
having
our
own
dispatch
center.
You
are
correct.
It
would
mean
an
increased
cost
initially,
but
you
are
looking
at
potential
savings
on
a
yearly
basis,
moving
forward
similar
to
what
we
found
when
we
went
to
santa
cruz.
B
But
every
year
our
our
bill
for
santa
cruz
does
seem
to
be
going
up,
and
so
I
think
it
is
feasible.
We
are
looking
into
some
funding
because,
with
your
telephone
lines
for
your
cell
phone
and
your
home
phone,
you
see
that
911
tax,
that's
included
in
there
that
money.
If
we
qualify,
can
go
to
pay
for
equipment
to
to
pay
for
and
install
the
consoles
that
we
would
need
for
our
own
dispatching.
So
it
is
complicated.
B
B
C
Thank
you
first.
I
just
want
to
thank
the
chief
for
for
his
very
candid
report.
I
think
we
need
that
type
of
communication
and
because
we
wouldn't
have
known
all
of
that,
if
you
didn't
point
it
out,
so
I
appreciate
that
number
one
and
then
number
two.
It
just
sounds
like
there's
a
lot
to
unpack,
but
there
are
some
alternatives
and
there's
there
are
some
pretty
equitable
solutions
that
are
being
presented
by
the
chief
and
thrown
around.
C
So
my
suggestion
would
be
since
yourself
and
councilmember
burns
are
going
to
be
on
the
ad
hoc
for
the
fire
department.
I
would
imagine
you
guys
would
get
started
on
that
right
away.
Then
I
would
request
that
you
appoint
myself
and
councilmember
perez
to
partner
with
the
pd
to
look
at
some
unpack
this,
like
in
a
timely
fashion
and
come
back
with
some
more
options
for
the
council
to
to
consider
at
a
different
time.
G
F
G
B
Yes
and
we've
recently
contracted
with
one
of
these
services
for
language
lines.
I
think
I
signed
the
first
bill
this
last
goal
round.
I
think
it
was
nine
dollars
for
the
whole
month
any
language
if
we
encounter
anyone
that
speaks
any
language
that
we
don't
our
or
our
translators.
Don't
know
that
language
it.
We
could
do
it
through
a
phone
call.
We
can
throw
it
to
a
through
a
computer
or
we
could
do
it
through
an
app
on
a
phone
and
it's
instantaneous.
B
We
make
a
phone
call,
we
advise
them
who
we
are.
We
have
a
contract
with
them
and
what
language
they
want
to
talk
and
the
person
can
communicate
through
the
translators
through
the
phone,
and
we
can
get
all
that
information.
It's
the
same
service
that
santa
cruz
9-1-1
currently
uses
for
our
for
anyone
calling
their
their
dispatch
center.
That
can't
speak
with
someone
who
knows
the
same
language.
G
A
I'm
a
mayor
in
mind
for
the
last
about
three
budgets,
maybe
yeah
about
I'd,
say
about
last
three
budget
sessions
it
has
been.
The
conversation
is
we're.
We
are
now
starting
to
reach
that
time
when
it's
going
to
be
more
cost
effective
to
bring
it
in
house.
Santa
cruz
9-1-1
was
was
more
cost-effective
early
on
and
just
the
increase
in
costs
have
now
just
kind
of
flipped
it
so
it
it.
It
is.
I
think,
at
that
time
that
we
need
to
start
looking
at
what
what
the
future
of
our
9-1-1
system
is
going
to
be.
J
It's
awesome
to
see
you
still
got
your
detective
skills
to
pull
all
this
out.
It's
I'm
just,
I
think,
that'd
be
a
great
thing.
I
look
forward
to
working
with
vice
mayor
sanders
on
this
also,
but
like
the
hda
and
the
fire
department,
I
think
you
you're
doing
an
awesome
job
and
through
the
staff
also-
and
I
appreciate
all
you
guys.
G
F
A
A
Back
yeah,
I'm
going
to
go
back
start
up
about
for
actually
just
really
the
rest
of
the
groups
are
the
different
attorneys
that
we
use
we'll
start
with
our
main
one.
The
the
epperson
law
group,
which
is
our
our
city
attorney
and
that
contract
is
ongoing.
So
there's
no
really
any
any
years
left
on
it.
The
contracts
10
000
the
base
is
10
000
per
month,
and
the
termination
clause
is
10
days.
A
A
We
use
acronyms
too
much
around
here.
We
use
they're,
especially
firm
and
for
our
labor
laws
and
also
as
a
recommendation
from
our
risk
pool
or
actually
one
of
our
upper
layer
groups
within
our
wrist
pool
for
using
them
then
best
best
in
krieger.
We
use
them
for
for
for
elections,
and
jrg
was
our
old
ones,
and
we,
I
think
we
used
them
for
a
pd
use
it
for
sorry
chief.
What
did
you
use
them,
for
it
was
for
the
badge
or
for
the
patches,
the
liberty.
B
For
the
yes,
yes,
we
recently
received
we've
been
working
on
a
trademark
of
our
patch
and
our
badge,
because
we
found
some
companies
reproducing
our
patch
and
trying
to
associate
some
kind
of
endorsement,
and
now
they
are
registered
trademarks.
So
our
next
step
is
to
reach
out
to
those
companies
and
advise
them
that
they
no
longer
can
use
our
patches
or
representation
of
our
patch
yeah.
A
E
Thank
you
mayor,
mr
city
manager.
Really
what
I'm
looking
for
is
a
total
amount
that
we
spend
for
legal
services
on
an
annual
basis
and
I'd
like
to
know
for
three
to
five
years
and
and
my
intent
is
it's.
You
know
it
has
nothing
to
do
specifically
with
mr
epperson,
but
I'm
wondering
if
we
looked
at
the
cumulative
total
of
all
the
legal
fees
that
we
spend,
if
it
wouldn't
make
sense
to
bring
a
full-time
city
attorney
to
the
city,
and
I
know
that
it's
again
there
would
be
more
than
one
individual.
E
C
A
B
C
C
So
I
would
be
very
reluctant
to
hire
somebody
in-house,
because
you
can't
expect
that
person
to
specialize
in
all
these
different
areas.
It
makes
sense
that
we
contract
with
epperson.
I
mean
everybody
calls
him
all
the
time
he's
our
you
know
our
in-house
quote-unquote
attorney,
even
though
he
doesn't
he's
not
entirely
in-house
right,
but
he
does
specialize
in
a
specific
type
of
law
that
helps
us
as
a
counselor.
C
G
G
Was
yeah
perfect?
I
know
they
had
a
good
specialty
on
that
they
had
some
information
as
far
as
trade
market
even
hollister,
there
was
a
quick
fight
back
in
the
day
about
hollister.
They
found
that
if
it
says
hollister
california,
we
can
do
and
there's
nothing
correct.
The
other
company
can
do
about
stopping
us,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
dealing
with
them
any
development
issues
whatsoever,
and
it's
one
of
the
reasons
that
I
think
we
chose
to
change.
G
Is
that
first
year
I
remember
being
here
and
asking
the
same
questions
about
how
much
cost
was
going
on
with
our
our
legal,
because
there
was
an
issue
that
had
happened,
and
I
had
asked
the
the
time
to
the
city
attorney
for
clarification
and
it
came
back
where
what
was
a
state
law-
and
I
said
okay
well-
show
me
that
state
law,
so
we
can
understand
how
to
counter
this
a
few
half
an
hour
later.
It's
like.
Well,
maybe
it
wasn't
a
state
law.
G
I
think
it's
county
and
then
it
was
like
county
and
a
little
while
later
we
found
out
no
such
thing.
Then
it
was,
I
think,
it's
a
city
law,
that's
what
it
was
and
then
once
that
didn't
develop
it
was.
I
think
it's
one
in
one
of
the
union
contracts
I
said:
look
we
just
went
from
state
law
down
to
a
union
contract.
G
You
know
if
I'm
asking
an
attorney
for
advice
on
something
I
want
to
know
an
answer.
If
you
don't
have
the
answer,
I
need
somebody
to
say
that
clearly
up
front,
because
with
attorneys
with
law,
you
can
lose
real
quick.
If
you
have
somebody,
that's
not
very
knowledgeable
and
what
we
ended
up
finding
out
after
some
more
investigation
was
the
in-house
attorney
alone
was
nearly
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
it
was
justified
to
say
well,
that's
cheap
until
somebody
went
back
to
look
up
all
the
attorney
fees
and
found
out.
G
I
think
I
remember
that
first
year,
when
we
went
to
a
contract,
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion,
a
lot
of
fear
that
we'd
have
problems
and
by
that
following
year,
I
think
everyone
on
the
council
at
the
time
said
wow.
This
is
much
better
deal
working
with
the
contract
because
they
have
their
specialties
within
their
firm,
but
they
also
know
who
to
contact
right
away
if
it's
not
their
specialty
and
I
think
with
again
with
law.
One
thing
you
find
out:
don't
try
to
be
a
specialist
in
area
you're,
not
a
specialist.
G
If
you
are,
you
are
if
you're
not
say
it,
and
I
think
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we've
had
really
good
results.
I've
been
very
happy
at
our
track
record
over
the
last
several
years
and
I
think
sometimes
people
will
say,
especially
in
the
public,
well
you're,
going
to
be
sued
for
this
this
and
that
and
then
we
hear
from
our
attorneys
some
really
sound
advice
that
what
the
realities
are
and
we've
been.
G
I
think,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
very
successful
as
a
city,
and
I
do
appreciate
not
only
the
work
that
your
firm's
done,
but
what
happened
even
with
the
previous
firm
and
we
found
that
it's
worked
well,
and
I
think
one
of
the
other
things
we
did
see
in
the
past
was
when
it's
in-house
there's
a
tendency
to
create
more
work
than
really
needs
to
be.
You
have
people
coming.
Oh,
I
got
a
question
for
you
on
this.
I
have
a
question
for
you
on
this
like
whoa.
G
These
are
our
attorneys
put
that
through
the
city
manager,
city,
clerk
or
chief,
if
it's
something
important,
but
it
should
never
be
where
ever
is
just
coming
in
and
asking
legal
questions,
because
that's
how
you
can
get
into
trouble
real
quick
is
somebody
walks
out
thinking
they
interpreted
something
and
it's
something
totally
different.
So
I
and
I've
said
this
about
our
contract.
Attorney
too.
We
should
not
have
a
system
in
place
where
everybody
can
just
reach
out
and
and
ask
questions
because
again,
legal
advice
or
legal
issues
are
exactly
that.
G
They're
legal
issues
and
city
managers
should
always
be
involved
in
that
conversation
or
see
the
clerk
again.
I
understand
the
police
department
has
to
have
their
direct
line
to
their
firm
for
a
reason,
because
we
can
all
get
into
trouble
pretty
darn,
quick
with
with
legal
issues.
So
I've
been
very
impressed.
I
I
thought
it's
worked
really
well
and
I
can
say
without
a
doubt,
we
have
saved
a
ton
of
money
not
just
with
our
services
but
not
putting
ourselves
in
a
very
bad
situation.
G
So
I've
been
very
happy
with
it.
I
I
would
prefer
we
we
say
and
doesn't
mean
we
don't.
As
you
know,
contracts
up,
we
we
need
to
make
sure
we're
bidding
that
out
and
making
sure
we're
getting
the
best
bang
for
our
buck,
and
I
think
that's
what's
happened
in
the
past.
We
realized
it
was
time
to
shift
because
the
firm
was
doing
a
great
job,
but
they
were
too
heavily
involved
in
development
and
we
were,
it
was
causing
confusion
and
questions.
So
we
all.
E
E
Thank
you,
mayor
city
manager,
so,
as
I
understand
with
mr
epperson's
contract,
that
is
a
revolving
is
that
did
I
hear
you
say
that
there's
no
end
date
so
do
we
do
we
put
out
an
rfq
or
rfp,
or
has
it
just
continue
to
roll
over
okay?
So
I
I'm
actually
again,
I
want
to
be
real
clear.
I
have
no
bone
to
pick
with
mr
epperson
at
all.
It's
really
about
sound
business
decision
and
and
so
hearing
what
you've
said
mayor.
E
I
I
would
like
to
put
it
out
and
see-
maybe
maybe
maybe
we're
being
under
bill
and
there's
always
that
risk,
but
maybe
maybe
you
know
there
are
other
options
out
there
as
well,
and
so
I
would
like
to
see
something
move
forward
in
that
regard
to
put
out
an
rftr
or
rf
rfq,
rfp
yeah.
So
thank
you
absolutely.
A
J
G
I
would
say:
that's
how
you
get
into
trouble
not
too
fast.
I
would
say
mr
burns
you're
asking
a
really
good
question,
because
what
we
did
do
in
the
past
after
several
years
was
say:
okay,
let's
check,
let's
make
sure
and
we
did
and
the
firmware's
night
we
decided
to
keep
going
and
then,
after
a
while,
there
was
just
some
conflicts
that
came
up
and
said:
okay.
G
G
Attorney,
I
would
say
this
too:
it's
important
to
have
your
feedback
on
if
you
see
things
or
feel
that
something's
not
going
well
where
it
can
put
us
into
jeopardy
somewhere
or
input
is,
are
too
many
people
calling
you
hey.
I
got
a
question,
my
cat,
you
know
what
scared
off
by
the
dog
door.
You
know
we
want
to
make
sure
we're
doing
business
for
the
city
and
not
taking
you
off
on
a
tangent
in
different
directions.
C
Thank
you
so
yeah.
What
I'm
hearing
is
that
the
individual
specialized
legal
groups
are
are
not
really
up
for
a
discussion
because
we're
not
paying
a
again
a
monthly
retainer
and
then,
if
any
of
the
any
of
the
staff
that's
there
would
like
to
speak
as
to
their
experience
with
their
specialized
legal
services.
Like
the
city
clerk,
it
looks
like
best
krieger.
I
think
she
just
did
work
with
them.
C
You
know
the
plea
the
pd
if
they
want
to
speak
to
their
legal
and,
if
they're
wanting
to
look
for
change
and
I'm
totally
open,
but
I
haven't
heard
any
of
that.
So
it
looks
like
we're
just
looking
at
epperson's
contract
at
this
time
I
think,
or
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
did
we
just
with
the
last
council?
Was
this
brought
up
and
did
we
do
anything
to
address
that?
Mr
city
manager?
I'm
not
sure
if
you
remember
it
might
have
been
before
your
time.
C
K
C
G
I
think
maybe
we
look
at
a
year
three
year
or
four
year
point
and
say:
okay,
we
still
have
the
same
translate
but,
let's
make
sure
the
jet
ski
to
just
make
sure
and
because
you're
right
this
run
is
we
looked
at
that
as
a
council.
We
said
we're
all
pretty
happy
here.
Let's
keep
moving
forward
with
what
we
have,
but
I
do
think
after
so
many
years
we
always
need
to
check.
C
H
E
L
C
C
C
E
My
opinion,
mr
burns,
thank
you
mayor.
I
I
I
don't
completely
disagree
with
the
vice
mayor,
but
I
would
like
to
see
the
time
frame
less
if
it
was
done
in
may
of
2019
we're
a
little
over
two
years
now,
and
so
I
would
think
either
a
two
or
three
year
window
and
and
so
and
I
I
think
that
time
is
now
to
to
put
it
out,
because
you
know
by
the
time
three
years
comes
up.
E
G
H
C
G
C
A
C
Okay,
can
we
I
hate
to
put
more
work
on
you,
but
can
we
get
a
list
of
the
contracts
and
just
have
that,
like
maybe
a
total
list
of
all
the
contracts,
so
we
can
have
that
so
that
if
there
we
want
to
have
another
meeting
like
this,
I
think
it
was
very
helpful.
We
can
pull
together
some
other
contracts
to
look
at.
A
C
A
G
A
E
America
go
ahead,
sir.
Thank
you,
sir
city
manager,
one
that
comes
to
mind
immediately
for
me
again,
and
I
know
that
we're
11
months
away,
but
I
would
really
like
to
better
understand
the
rally
I'm
presuming
that
we're
going
to
be
through
covid,
but
I
presume
that
last
year
as
well,
but
my
understanding
was,
it
was
a
five-year
contract
and,
and
it's
been,
the
next
rally
would
be
three
of
five.
E
A
C
E
I
I'm
open
to
those
conversations
of
vice
mayor.
I
just
I.
I
would
like
to
understand
the
contract
in
its
totality,
and
I
don't
know
that,
there's
a
clause
in
there
to
extend
it
just
because
it
didn't
happen,
but
I
think
that's
why
we
need
to
have
a
broader
conversation
across
the
council
and
for
me
the
first
goal
is
to
seek
to
understand
it
first
and
and
then
move
forward
and
again.
This
is
where
I
think
an
attorney
is
a
very
valuable
asset
and
resource
for
us.