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Hollister City Council Special Meeting November 13, 2021
Redistricting
C
C
C
Thank
you
to
tracy
horgan
from
caliber
for
helping
to
get
the
magnitude
going.
Thank
you
to
robin
merrell,
shelley,
lapkov
and
janine
gobley,
and
a
huge
thank
you
to
information
systems
and
technology
director
paul
dasilva
for
making
sure
that
everything
was
up
and
going
and
now
I
will
go
ahead
and
introduce
either
robin
or
shelley
or
both.
D
Thank
you
christine.
I
I
believe
the
order
is
that
I'll
go
over
the
powerpoint
and
then
robin
will
go
over
the
online
mapping
software.
Is
that
what
you
would
like
us
to
do?
Thank.
A
D
A
D
Yeah
they're
sort
of
in
order
shall
I
share
my
screen,
then
I'll.
Do
that.
E
D
See
all
that
okay
good
great,
so
this
is
the
title
slide.
Is
that
what
you're
seeing
now?
Okay,
so
here,
is
our
first
public
official
public
hearing
number
one?
I
talked
with
the
city
council
a
couple
weeks
ago
and
gave
you
an
orientation,
but
this
is
the
official
public
hearing
that
one
of
four
that
you
will
need
to
have
during
this
process
in
terms
of
our
qualifications.
D
D
What
your
current
council
districts
look
like
the
legal
requirements
that
that
everyone
needs
to
follow
and
that
we
follow
and
the
schedule
a
little
bit
about
the
schedule
and
then
end
with
communities
of
the
interest,
because
really
we'd
love
to
hear
from
the
public
and
from
yourselves
about
communities
of
interest.
That's
important
piece
when
we
start
drawing
lines.
D
So
what
is
redistricting
every
10
years?
Cities
must
redistrict,
which
is
to
adjust
their
city
council
districts,
to
make
sure
that
the
council
district,
total
populations
are
relatively
equal
and
we
have
to
use
the
new
census,
counts,
federal
and
state
laws
apply.
You
have
to
be
done
by
april,
17th
and
you're.
D
Now
here
are
your
current
council
districts
district
one
is
very
elongated
and
that's
just
because
of
the
shape
of
your
city
and
all
the
others
are
fairly
compact
and
we
could
zoom
in
if
we
wanted
to
to
see
a
better
view
of
what
your
current
council
districts
are
and
as
you'll
see
in
a
moment.
Three
and
four
are
too
small.
I
believe
that's
the
case,
and
one
and
two
are
too
large.
D
D
Here
are
some
legal
requirements
we
have
to
follow.
There
are
federal
laws,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
council
districts
have
to
be
equal
in
population
relatively
equal
in
population.
You
have
some
leeway
which
I'll
go
over
there's
the
voting
rights
act.
D
Members
of
protected
minority
groups
must
be
considered
when
drawing
lines
and
I'll
show
you
how
we
consider
them
and
there
should
be
no
gerrymandering
just
on
the
basis
of
race
alone.
So
you
can't
have
really,
oddly
shaped
districts,
just
to
maximize
the
the
electoral
power
of
some
protected
groups
and
then
I'll
go
over
the
california
fair
maps,
act
which
is
new
and
gives
very
directive
directives,
give
strong
directives
on
how
this
process
should
proceed.
D
D
Ideally
the
council
districts
would
be
one
fourth
of
that
which
would
be
ten
thousand
four
hundred
and
eighty
four
people,
but
you
get
some
leeway
and
you
get
a
10
leeway
on
your
ideal
district
size.
So,
with
the
ideal
district
size
of
10484,
you
have
a
leeway
of
1048
persons,
and
what
that
means
is
the
difference
between
your
smallest
and
largest
district
or
the
least
or
most
populated
district
cannot
be
more
than
1048
people.
D
Now
here
are
the
population
numbers
for
each
of
your
council
districts
and,
as
you
can
see,
districts
one
and
two
are
too
large
and
district
three
is
a
little
little
smaller
than
normal
than
ideal,
but
but
actually
it's
sort
of
within
the
range.
But
council
district
4
is
way
too
small
at
10
below
the
size
it
should
be,
and
this
gives
you
a
planned
deviation
of
16.5
and
we
are
aiming
for
under
10.
D
One
way
is
by
looking
at
the
percent
deviations,
so
district
four
is
minus
ten
percent
and
council
district
two
is
a
plus
six
point,
five
percent
and
we
add
those
deviations,
and
that
gives
you
the
16.5
percent.
D
D
Percent:
okay,
there's,
as
I
said
earlier,
this
is
40
people
more
than
what
I
had
shown
you
earlier
a
couple
weeks
ago.
C
D
Okay,
thank
you
christine
and
then
there's
overly
concentrating
the
population
or
packing
where
you
you
put
two
minority,
you
put
the
minority
population
together,
so
much
that
they
don't
have
influence
in
another
district
when
they
could
have
so.
Ideally,
you
would
have
in
this
case
to
the
minority
populations
would
be
in
two
districts
and
they
would
have
the
ability
to
elect
representatives
or
at
least
influence
the
election
in
districts,
one
and
four.
D
This
area
12
this
red
here
line
here,
was
a
district
and
what
they
were
trying
to
do
was
maximize
the
african-american
population,
and
this
made
its
way
up
to
the
supreme
court.
The
supreme
court
said
no
do
not.
This
is
not
how
you
should
interpret
the
voting.
Rights
act,
do
not
go
and
gerrymander
just
on
the
basis
of
maximizing
the
ability
of
that
group
to
elect
representatives
of
its
choice.
So
we're
left
demographers
are
left
without
much
direction
about
that.
We
have
to
take
the
protected
groups
into
account,
but
we
can't
do
it
too
much.
D
We
can't
gerrymander.
We
can't
make
oddly
shaped
districts,
which
is
sometimes
in
the
eye
of
the
beholder
but
clear.
This
one
was
clear
and
that's
why
it
made
it
up
to
the
supreme
court,
okay,
so
more
information
than
what
I've
given
you
last
time.
This
is
information
on
the
race,
ethnic
distribution
in
your
district
and
when
we're
concerned
with
making
sure
members
of
protected
minority
groups
have
the
ability
to
elect
representatives
of
their
choice
or
their
electoral
power.
It's
a
little
hard
to
measure
that
so
there
are
five
measures
and
they're
all
imperfect.
D
So
I
just
want
to
go
over
these
measures
with
you.
So
obviously
there's
the
total
population
that
comes
from
the
census
bureau
and
there's
the
voting
age
population
again
from
the
census
bureau.
This
is
your
census
count,
and
these
these
are
excellent
numbers
I
mean
there
may
be
under
counting
and
overcounting,
but
they're
they're,
pretty
they're
fabulous
numbers
from
a
demographer's
perspective.
D
But
we
don't
have
good
data
on
citizens
a
voting
age.
What
we
have
is
a
very
small
survey
with
high
error
rates
and
some
inconsistencies
in
the
data,
because
we've
worked
with
this
data
and
there's
it's
not
great,
but
it's
the
best
that
we
have
for
measuring
citizens
a
voting
age
or
cvac
is
what
people
call
it
and
the
courts
use
this.
D
If
you
go
into
litigation,
the
courts
will
say
a
group
that
is
50
c-vap
plus
one
person
is
the
official
amount,
that's
required
to
consider
a
protected
group
to
have
the
ability
to
elect
representatives
of
their
choice.
So
it's
it's
as
important
from
a
legal
standpoint
and
also
when
people
look
at
these
data.
That's
what
they
also.
F
D
At
the
when
they
want
to
make
sure
that
their
district
is
strong
enough,
they
look
at
the
sea
back
the
other
measures
come
from
the
register
of
voters,
so
we
have
registered
voters
and
actual
voters
and
it's
a
full,
the
full
data.
So
that's
fantastic
data
that
we
have
the
full
population
of
voters.
D
The
bad
news
is
that
when
you
go
in
to
register
to
vote,
you're
not
asked
what
your
ethnicity
is.
So
what
we
do,
what
demographers
do
and
they've
been
doing
for
decades?
Is
they
take
the
last
names
of
people
and
they
match
it
to
a
list
and
they
estimate
how
many
have
spanish
surnames
and
how
many
have
asian
surnames-
and
these
can
be
have
the
problem?
Is
there
can
be
false
positives
and
false
negatives,
especially
for
women
who,
when
they
marry,
often
change
their
last
name?
D
So
if
they've
changed
to
a
someone
with
a
different
ethnicity,
then
that
has
that
that
can
often
put
them
in
the
wrong
category.
So
I
just
want
to
give
you
those
caveats
on
this
data,
but
those
are
the
five
measures
we
use
to
measure
the
electoral
power
or
influence
of
a
protected
group
and,
as
you
can
see,
if
you
look,
for
example
at
well,
let
me
just
say
the
total
population.
D
You
start
with
41
934
people,
30,
328,
we're
18
and
over,
but
only
24
808
are
actually
citizens.
D
So
these
are
the
ones
eligible
to
vote
of
the
that
we
have
another
measure
registered
voters,
21
349
registered
voters-
and
this
is
as
of
the
2020
presidential
election
and
then
in
your
city,
16
846
voters
actually
cast
ballots
in
the
last
election
and,
what's
of
note
here
is
the
hispanic
latino
hispanic
measures
drop
significantly
from
the
total
population,
while
hollister
is
69
latino,
it's
58
c-vac,
and
when
you
look
at
actual
voters,
52
of
the
voter
voters
are
estimated
to
be
latino.
D
Your
other
protected
groups
would
be
blacks
and
asians
and
they're
very
small
in
number,
so
they
would
not
meet
the
criteria
for
the
voting
rights
act,
but
in
the
spirit
of
the
voting
right
rights
act,
if
asians
and
blacks
were
concentrated
in
particular
neighborhoods
you
would.
You
may
want
to
make
sure
that
they're
not
divided.
D
Okay
and
these,
these
are
the
data
that
we
will
give
you
for
new
plans,
and
this
is
the
current
plan.
It's
a
lot
of
data
here,
but
it's
these
five
measures,
the
total
population,
the
18
plus
citizens
registered
and
actual
voters,
and
you
can
we're
going
to
give
you
the
total
population
and
then
these
percentages.
So
you
can
see
how
they
vary
by
a
council
district.
D
And
then
I
just
want
to
mention
something:
I'm
going
to
get
a
little
nerdy
on
you
about
the
population.
D
D
If
we
don't
manually
split
this
block
which
we're
not
going
to
do
for
new
plans,
it
would
have
come
out
to
17.7.
D
This
doesn't
really
matter
because
you're
above
the
deviation
that
you're
allowed
so
we're
going
to
have
to
do
new
plants.
But
in
these
new
plans
we're
not
going
to
be
splitting
the
census
block
between
council
districts.
Three
and
four-
and
I
have
more
information
in
the
appendix
if
anybody's
interested.
But
that's
why
this
number
is
a
little
different
than
what
I
showed
earlier.
C
Shelly,
I'm
sorry
I'm
going
to
interrupt
just
again
when
we
didn't
have
the
last
slide
or
any
slide
this
slide
or
probably
any
additional
slides.
We
only
had
one.
The
racial
gerrymandering
is
not
permitted
for
slide
14.
So
if
there's
any
way,
we
could
possibly
get
that
afterwards.
I
can
get
that
to
counsel.
D
D
Yes,
of
course,
I'm
sorry
that
it
didn't
work
out
to
that
you
don't
have
the
actual
copy.
Okay,
this
slide
is
an
interesting
one.
It
shows
your
council
districts
with
the
population.
D
D
Green
is
the
white
population
red
which
is
really
hard
to
see
on
here
would
be
africa,
african
americans,
light
blue
or
asians
and
brown
all
others,
but
really
it's
occasionally.
You
see
here's
some
asian
populations
here
and
in
four,
but
basically
you.
Basically
you
see
a
sea
of
blue
and
and
some
green.
D
So
you
can.
This
gives
you
an
indication
of
the
distribution
of
the
race
ethnicity
in
in
your
city,
and
these
are
the
five
measures:
total
population
voting
age,
c-vap,
registered
and
actual
voters
for
just
the
hispanic
latino
group,
because
they're
the
key
ones
that
are
large
enough
to
be
protected
under
the
voting
rights
act
in
your
district.
D
D
It
applies
to
cities
and
counties
that
does
not
apply
to
the
smaller
juris.
Smaller
groups
like
school
districts
or
special
districts,
but
it
does
apply
to
you
because
it
applies
to
cities
and
it's
first
to
encourage
residents
to
participate
in
the
redistricting
process.
You
need
to
maintain
your
website
for
10
years.
You
need
to
have
translation
services
upon
request.
D
D
However,
the
public
could
present
maps
if
they
have
them.
There
should
be
at
least
one
of
these
four
public
hearings
after
six
pm
or
on
a
weekend,
and
so
that
your
this
public
hearing
satisfies
that
requirement.
Your
meetings
should
have
definite
start
times,
so
you
don't.
If
you
do
embed
them
in
part
of
your
city,
council
meeting,
you
have
to
stop
and
start
at
the
particular
time
that
you
say
you're
going
to,
and
then
there
are
noticing
requirements.
Five
days
notice
for
public
hearings
and
the
adopted
plan
must
be
published.
D
D
The
other
thing
the
fear
maps
act.
Does
it
says
when
you
draw
lines?
Here's
what
you
should
pay
attention
to
here
are
the
criteria
that
should
be
used
when
you're
drawing
the
plans
and
in
the
order
of
this,
so
first
and
foremost,
you
have
to
follow
federal
laws,
and
second
things
have
to
be
geographically
contiguous,
so
they
have
to
be
touching.
D
And
the
last
tuesday
is
at
6
30
p.m
in
the
in
the
evening.
So
you're
well,
in
the
spirit
of
the
fair
maps,
act,
conducting
all
your
meetings
during
the
times
that
they
recommend
doing
doing
so
so
the
public
can
participate.
D
Already
engaged
in
an
online
mapping
software,
so
members
of
the
public
can
submit
plans.
That's
great
and
your
city
must
continue
to
have
their
website
online
for
the
next
10
years
until
the
next
process
happens,
and
then
I
want
to
end
with
communities
of
interest,
because
this
is
where
you
would
like
public
testimony
if,
if
people
would
like
to
provide,
that
is
to
tell
us
what
their
communities
of
interests
are
so
in
in
particular,
that
should
be
within
a
single
council
district,
so
communities
of
interest
that
that's
also
geographically
compact.
D
So
we
would
say
to
the
community
what
is
your
community
of
interest
and
before
I
end
there,
I
just
want
to
mention
that
there
is
an
appendix
which
you'll
get
a
copy
of
where
I
talk
about
that,
get
nerdy
about
that
split
block
between
districts,
three
and
four,
and
also
some
definitions,
but
we
should
really
end
with
you
know
this
question:
what
is
your
community
of
interest,
and
with
that
I
will
stop
sharing
my
screen.
A
B
Thank
you,
mayor
shelly.
I
represent
district
four,
and
so
I
have
a
couple
questions
that
are
probably
very
simple,
but
I
need
your
your
comment.
So,
with
regard
to
district
four
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
increasing
our
communities
through
future
and
already
approved
development,
we
certainly
have
some
new
housing.
D
What
we
could
do,
if
your
fellow
council
members
agree,
is
to
make
district
4
smaller
than
the
others
in
anticipation
of
this
housing
growth,
but
you
have
to
stay
within
that.
10
deviation,
so
maybe
make
it
like
minus
four
percent
deviation
or
a
minus
five
percent
deviation,
or
even
a
minus
three
percent
deviation
and
hopefully
don't
make
it
larger
than
the
ideal
council
district
size.
B
Thanks-
and
so
I
presume
that
could
be
done
on
a
formula
last
time-
I
I
checked
if
I
understood
it
correctly,
for
any
typical
new
single-family
residence.
Isn't
it
there's
a
formula
where
it's
2.5
or
2.7
persons
per
household
at
a
minimum.
D
Well,
that's
not
relevant
actually,
because
we're
not
going
to
take
that
into
account.
We
have
to
take
this,
the
population
that
we
get
out
of
the
census.
What
I'm
saying
is
that
when
we
draw
the
plans,
we
can
keep
district
4
small,
a
little
smaller
than
the
ideal,
not
a
whole
lot
smaller,
because
you
only
have
a
little
bit
of
leeway,
but
just
keep
district
4
a
little
smaller
in
anticipation
that
there
will
be
housing,
growth
and
more
population.
There.
D
I
well,
it
would
be
good
if
your
fellow
council
members
agree.
I
could
try
and
do
that.
I
can't
promise
that,
because
there
are
a
lot
of
constraints,
but
we
can
try
and
do
that
if
people
want-
and
I
can
certainly
do
at
least
one
plan
like
that-
and
the
public
can
also
do
plans
themselves
that
put
four
slightly
smaller
than
the
other
council
districts.
B
I
can
tell
you
it
doesn't
feel
that
small
to
me
having
walked
it
off,
but
there
were
some
confusing
areas
as
I
try
to
walk
and
and
and
reach
out
to
perspective
residents
in
district
four
versus
other
districts,
and
and
from
my
perspective,
which
is
the
layman,
persons
and
simple.
B
Is
it
really
would
simply
make
most
sense
for
a
cleanness
of
of
redistricting
and
defining
the
district
would
be
to
simply
expand
district
4
north
of
hillcrest
road
over
to
whatever
the
street
is,
I
forget,
that's
margaret
maize
is
on,
but
that
that
neighborhood
right
there
and
then
to
expand
it
or
readjust
the
lines
west
towards
memorial
drive,
and
I
think
that
would
my
sense
is
again
a
layperson's,
but
my
senses
we're
going
to
have
to
expand
district
4,
north
and
west
and
of
course
under.
B
As
I
understood
you
say,
district
3
was
also
up
too
small,
and
so
that
would
again
have
to
move
those
boundaries
potentially
west
and
north
as
well,
because
it
doesn't
seem
like
there's
a
whole
lot
of
opportunity
to
go
south
and
there
certainly
is
no
opportunity
to
go
east.
So
those
are
just
my
initial
thoughts
and
comments
and
then
a
final
question
at
this
point
for
the
city
clerk
I'm
sitting
here
at
the
diocese
and
I'm
looking
out
in
the
audience
is
very
sparse.
B
B
One
of
the
reasons
this
council
chose
saturdays
was
to
try
and
engage
our
community,
and
I
do
know
I've
seen
some
noticing
go
out
for
this
meeting
and
and
I'm
a
little
disappointed,
to
say
the
least,
by
the
lack
of
participation
I'm
sensing
so
far,
but
I
do
think
it's
important
for
us
as
a
council
to
continue
to
do
these
things
at
our
inconvenience
for
the
benefit
of
the
community,
and
it
would
be
helpful
to
know
those
numbers
to
make
sure
that
we're
we're
hitting
the
target
that
we're
hoping
to
hit,
and
so
with
that
I
will,
I
will
be
quiet
for
now
mayor.
C
I
can
tell
you
that
cmap
is
here,
recording
this,
so
that
it
will
be
on
channel
17..
It's
on
facebook
live
on
youtube
and
zoom.
Is
there
a
way
to
be
able
to
tell
how
many
hits
we
get.
D
E
Yeah,
I
just
I
really
don't
have
much-
I
just
kind
of
kind
of
interested
in
seeing
how
this
is
going
to
play
out
when
we
must
comply
with
the
laws,
but
there
are
trade-offs
and
it's
kind
of
kind
of
mixed
up
for
me.
E
So
that's
that's
it
and
yeah,
and
I
know
that
it
was
a
just
a
slight
mishap
with
all
the
the
pages
and
everything
but
with
me.
F
F
A
I
have
a
few
couple
questions.
Can
you
please
clarify
contiguous
as
far
as
the
lines
boundaries
in
our
city.
F
B
A
The
north
side
of
a
street
is
one
district,
and
the
other
southern
side
is
another
district,
but
there's
gaps
in
between
heading
west
or
east,
which
side
would
take
that,
would
it
be
the
the
district
to
the
south
of
it
or
the
district
to
the
east
of
it?
How
would
that
work?
Because
a
lot
of.
A
A
One
is
across
the
street
closer
that
would
be
contiguous,
but
if
one
is
further
to
the
east,
but
on
the
same
north
side
that
would
not
qualify
as
contiguous
as
it
gets
filled
in
part
of
the
issue.
We.
A
We're
not
master
planned,
so
it's
there's
blocks
island
blocks
throughout
right.
Normally
it
would
be
contiguous,
but
it's
not
so.
D
Yeah,
I
think
it
would
default
to
your.
I
I
mean
I'm
assuming
it
would
default
to
your
closest
wherever
the
hole
is
where
whatever
would
be
closest
to
that.
But
I
guess
the
question
to
you
because
maybe
go
north
like
let's
say
you
had
a
hole,
you
could
go
up
rather
than
sideways.
A
B
A
So
can
you
please
clarify
that
so
we're
clear,
because
so
we're
we
set
the
ground
rules
early.
So
the
public
knows
how
this
works
and
we
don't
have.
D
Yeah,
I
don't
think
that's
an
issue
because
that
applied
if
you
had
a
commission
that
was
going
to
advise
you
or
be
independent
and
make
the
decision.
So
if
you
have,
if
you
had
set
that
up,
then
there
were
rules
about
who
could
be
on
that
commission.
A
C
I
have
no
speakers,
mr
mayor
ellia,.
A
G
Good
morning,
mayor
and
council
members
elia
salinas,
so
I'm
disappointed
that
we
didn't
have
the
whole
slide
given
to
the
public,
because
I
I
think
the
most
important
parts
were
missing
and
I
would
really
like
to
see
that,
but
I'm
I
know
that
I'll
get
a
copy
of
it
later.
G
If
it's
going
to
change
a
couple
of
blocks
and
those
are
the
blocks
that
you're
familiar
with
and
you
walk-
and
you
know
those
neighbors
don't
make
a
decision
that
you
want
those
blocks
back.
There's
an
issue
right
now
that
I'm
having
with
the
board
of
supervisors
is
that
they
came
up
with
the
and
it's
to
me.
In
my
opinion,
it's
self-serving.
G
They
literally
don't
want
to
change
anything
they
want
it
to
be,
but
that
is
what
the
census
is
all
about
is
because
it
brings
on
changes
every
10
years
and
one
of
the
things
that
councilman
burns
you
brought
up
is
that
it's
based
on
the
census
and
for
today
you
know
2020
and
not
for
the
population.
That's
going
to
come
in
a
couple
of
years
when
those
houses
get
filled
up,
you
do
have
a
very
small
leak.
You
know
margin.
G
I
would
definitely
want
that
margin
to
be
included,
because
that
that
is
a
large
population.
That's
going
to
be
coming
in,
but
it's
going
to
take
years,
and
we
don't
know
how
many
years,
because
also
again,
there
could
be
changes
in
the
economy
and
we
could
have
something
that
actually
stops
the
growth
for
a
while
based
on
the
economy.
G
You
know
certain
ethnic
groups
to
have
more
influence
or
power
or
say
so,
but
I
also
at
the
same
time,
I
personally
find
it
a
little
bit
of
keeping
that
keeping
that
group
together
and
not
being
able
to
combine
them
with
other
people.
I
think
you
can
you're
able
to
separate
and-
and
I
don't
want
to
say
that
it's
racist
to
keep
them
together,
there's
a
reason
why
people
have
to
live
in
certain
because
of
socio-economic
reasons.
A
C
D
My
next
step
is
that
your
us
team,
yes
yeah,
so
we
will
do
at
least
one
draft
map,
maybe
a
couple
draft
maps
and
the
computer
software
is
up,
and
so
anyone
can
draw
a
map.
So
if
people
have
submitted
maps,
we
will
present
that
also
at
the
next
meeting.
A
So
it's
it's
an
interesting
industry.
I
wish
you
well.
A
I
think
actually,
our
city
lays
out
pretty
well.
I
don't
see
much
of
an
issue
as
far
as
the
adjustments
you're
going
to
be
making
here,
and
I
I'm
looking
forward
to
working
with
you
in
the
near
future
here.
B
Thank
you,
mayor
mayor.
I
was
hoping
that
we
could
have
these
maps
put
out
I'll
I'll,
say
well
in
advance,
but
at
least
within
maybe
a
week
of
the
next
meeting,
so
that
the
community
has
time
to
digest
and
and
reflect
on
those
and
also
ample
time
to
submit
their
their
renderings
as
well,
and
so
that
that
would
just
be.
A
D
Well,
yeah
robin
merrell
is
here,
and
she
can
give
a
tutorial
on
how
to
use
the
online
mapping
software.
F
Yes,
thank
you
shelley
good
morning,
everyone,
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here
with
you
today
to
provide
an
overview
of
the
online
map,
drawing
tool
called
maptitude
for
on
maptitude
online
redistricting,
and
in
short,
we
call
it
more
albert
calls
it
more
I'll
go
over
exactly
what
the
demonstration
will
be.
So
you
have
an
idea
of
what
to
expect
we'll
start
with
how
to
create
an
account,
because
it
is
an
online
application.
F
So
users
using
it
for
the
first
time,
will
have
to
create
an
account
and
I'll
go
over
the
overview
of
more
including
the
tools
and
where
to
find
them
and
what
they
do
and
then
we'll
give
a
short
demo
on
modifying
districts,
and
then
we
will
go
to
q
a,
and
I
hope
you
have
lots
of
questions
I'll
share.
My
screen
with
you
now.
F
F
E
F
F
You
will
confirm
your
password
and
then
you
will
type
in
an
email
address
that
you
would
like
to
use,
and
the
email
address
is
important,
because
that
is
how
you
will
accept
your
own.
If
you
want
to
email
a
plan
to
yourself,
that's
where
it's
going
to
go-
and
this
is
the
email
address
that
you're
providing
to
the
city-
and
you
will
click
on
the
captcha
to
say
that
you're
a
real
person
and
then
you
will
create
user
click
on
create
user.
F
F
Second,
time's
a
charm,
okay.
Now
I
know
that
I'm
into
this
to
the
application
now
and
like
I
said
I
have
I've
played
around
with
this,
so
I've
already
got
a
couple
of
plans
in
here
when
you
log
in
for
the
first
time,
you
will
not
see
any
plans
right
here,
because
there
there
won't
be
any
plans
created
by
you.
However,
there
are
two
plans
already
in
the
system.
F
The
first
one
is
the
current
plan,
which
represents
your
current
council
districts
and
the
second
one
will
be
a
blank
plan
if
you
want
to
start
from
scratch,
so
I
want
to
open.
Let's
say
I
want
to
create
a
new
plan
if
you
create
a
new
plan.
This
is
the
two
plans
that
are
already
automatically
in
the
system.
The
current
plan
and
the
base
map
and
the
base
map
is
just
a
blank
slate,
so
you
can
start
from
scratch.
F
We
highly
recommend
that
you
start
especially
if
you're
getting
started
for
the
first
time
to
create
to
start
with
the
current
plan.
Until
you
get
familiar
with
the
how
the
program
works,
there's
a
lot
to
it.
It
can
be
overwhelming
if
you're
doing
it
for
the
first
time,
but
hang
in
there
with
it.
It's
like
any
other
software
program
after
you've
been
in
and
out
of
it
a
couple
of
times,
you'll
start
to
feel
familiar
with
it
and
everything
will
go
a
lot
better.
F
So
that's
what
we
recommend
is
to
start
with
the
current
plan
and
what
you
want
to
do
is
cr
click
on
current
plan
and
then
hit
create,
and
now
this
is
another
important
feature.
If
I
just
go,
if
I
just
click
on
ok,
it's
going
to
open
the
current
plan,
but
what
you
want
to
do
is
you
want
to
create
a
copy
of
the
current
plan,
so
you
can
always
go
back
to
the
current
plan
as
a
starting
point.
F
So
I'm
just
going
to
give
this
a
name,
I'm
going
to
call
it
robin
and
today's
date
and
I'm
a
high
believer
of
using
dates.
So
I
can
go
back
and
say:
oh
yes,
this
is
my
first
one.
This
is
my
second
one.
You
can
say
plan
one
plan,
two,
you
can
call
it
anything.
You,
like,
whatever
makes
the
most
sense
to
you
and
I
click
on
ok
and
it's
going
to
open
your
current
council
districts.
F
Now
I've
been
on
this
site
several
times
already.
This
is
what
you
will
see
when
you
open
it.
For
the
first
time,
caliber
has
embedded
in
a
quick
start
guide
for
you
to
use,
and
it
will
be
your
best
friend,
especially
at
the
beginning,
any
time
that
you
have
a
question.
Oh
I'm
stuck.
How
do
I
do
this?
F
F
This
little
picture
here
with
these
red
highlighted
bubbles,
explain
and
demonstrate
what
the
tools
do
and
where
you
can
find
them
in
your
big
map
window
here
off
to
the
right
left,
where
your
map
is
actually
sitting
before
we
go
through
number
one.
I
just
like
to
point
out
that
this
dark
blue
ribbon
on
the
top
menu
has
some
additional
tools,
and
I
will
go
over
those
later
because
they
have
to
do
with
tools
that
you
will
use
after
you've
already
created
a
map.
F
F
So
that's
a
very
nice
feature
so,
for
instance,
this
first
one
on
the
left
displays
the
initial
map,
the
second
one,
the
plus
sign
you
can
draw
a
rectangle.
Let's
say
you
want
to
zoom
in
on
area
2,
and
it
brings
me
right
to
area
2..
Maybe
I
want
to
move
the
map
over
a
little
bit,
so
I
click
on
the
hand
to
pan,
and
now
I
can
see
more
of
area
2.
F
if
I
want
to
go
back
to
seeing
the
whole
map.
I
click
on
the
initial
display
button
and
it
brings
me
back
to
show
the
whole
map.
The
reason
why
this
map
looks
not
quite
centered
is
because
of
the
quick
start
guide.
So
if
we
were
to
hide
the
quick
start,
guide,
you'd
have
a
more
centered
map,
but
I'll
just
bring
it
over
here
and
then
open
up
our
quick
start
guide
as
we
use
it.
The
minus
button
zooms
out
and
the
I
button
is
like
every
I
button
that
you've
used
it's
an
information
tool.
F
If
you
click
on
anywhere
on
the
map
within
your
city
limits,
it
will
give
you
the
information
of
a
particular
census
block.
It
will
tell
you
what
elementary
secondary
school
that
you've
clicked
on
any
layer
in
the
map.
It
will
give
you
information
about.
It
will
give
you
the
street
name,
any
landmark
point
and,
of
course,
your
city
limits.
F
So
those
are
the
five
tools
that
you
will
use.
A
lot
number
two
three
four
and
five
are
the
tools
that
you
will
use
to
actually
modify
districts
and
I'll
go
over
each
one
of
those
they're
in
the
four
corners
of
your
map.
So
display
is
number
one.
Districts
is
number
two,
I'm
sorry
displays.
Number
two
districts
is
number
three
redistricting.
Four
and
changes
are
five.
F
F
F
My
session
has
expired.
I
have
not
seen
that
before
something
new
every
time.
Okay,
so
I've
turned
off
my
elementary
secondary
and
school
districts,
because
I
don't
need
them
to
show
right
now
and
I
can
come
back
later
and
turn
them
on
if
I
need
to-
and
I'm
done
with
this
layers
map
window
now,
so
I
click
on
the
cheeseburger
to
make
it
go
away.
F
Now
we're
going
down
to
tool
number
three,
which
is
called
districts
and
by
the
way
in
your
quick,
quick
start
guide,
I'm
jumping
ahead
of
myself
here.
It
will
give
you
an
explanation
of
all
of
these
tools
and
what
they
do
and
how
to
use
them.
So,
like
I
said,
your
help
button
is
going
to
be
your
best
friend
to
get
this
quick
start
guide
opened.
If
you
forget
anything,
and
you
need
to
go
back
and
refresh
your
memory,
just
follow
these
red
buttons
and
cursor
down.
F
So
now
we're
on
the
bottom
left
toolbox,
which
is
the
district's
box,
and
what
that
means
is
this.
Is
these
are
your
statistics
of
your
current
districts?
It
shows
each
council
district
number
one
through
four
and
on
the
very
top
here
in
tiny
letters.
It
tells
you
how
many
districts
you
have,
which
is
four
in
your
city,
and
it
will
also
give
you
the
ideal
population
that
you're
shooting
for
for
each
district
and
for
city
of
hollister,
it's
and
eighty
four,
and
it
will
tell
us
the
perc,
the
total
population
for
each
district.
F
The
deviation
the
percent
deviation
and
then
it
also
gives
you
all
of
the
other
additional
population
fields
that
are
included
in
each
district.
So
we
have
total
population
by
race,
ethnic
group,
and
then
we
have
also
the
voting
age,
population,
18
plus
total
and
by
race,
ethnic
group
and
then
cursoring
over.
We
can
see
that
we
have
cfap,
which
is
citizen
voting
age
population
by
race,
ethnic
group
and
then
we've
also
included
some
registered
number
of
registered
voters
and
number
of
total
voters
that
shelley
went
over
earlier
in
her
presentation.
F
If
you
don't,
you
there's
a
way
to
make
this
box
a
little
bit
more
manageable.
If
you're
only
looking
at
certain
population
fields,
you
can
click
on
this,
forget
what
you
call
it
anyway,
I'll
just
keep
going.
There
are
certain
fields
that
you
can
hide.
So
let's
say
I'm
not
really
interested
in
seeing
the
c
map
down.
I
can
click
on
all
of
these
fields.
F
F
F
F
You
have
your
source
district,
where
you
want
your
district,
your
census
box
to
be
moved
from.
So
if
I
want
to
now,
we
know
that
districts,
three
and
four
are
under
populated.
So
I
want
to
move
some
population
from
district
three
to
district
one.
I
would
click
on
my
source
as
I'm
sorry
from
one
to
three.
I
would
click
on
my
source
as
one
because
I
want.
F
Blocks
to
be
taken
out
of
one,
and
I
want
them
to
go
into
district
three,
so
my
target
is
three:
your
selection
is
blocks
and
there
are
three
different
ways
you
can
select
blocks.
There's
the
pointer
tool,
the
circle
tool
where
you
can
draw
a
circle
around
blocks
all
at
once
and
then
there's
the
shape
tool.
So
let's
say
I
want
to
click
on
multiple
sentence
blocks
at
one
time.
I
click
on
my
shape
tool.
F
F
F
F
Great
robin
yeah,
it's
just
for
some
reason
hanging
up
here.
It
doesn't
like
it.
Okay,
let
me
go
back
to.
F
F
I'm
going
to
move
some
blocks
from
one
to
three,
so
I
already
have
my
sources
one.
My
target
has
three:
I'm
going
to
click
on
draw
shape
and
I'm
going
to
click
on
these
blocks
here
double
click
to
end
it
now
the
system
is
very
sensitive
if
it
if
it
touches
any
of
the
surrounding
blocks,
it's
going
to
select
those
two,
so
I
can
either
click
the
x
button
to
start
all
over
again,
but
it's
easier
for
me
to
deselect
the
blocks
that
I
don't
want
to
include.
F
F
And
now
I
want
to
move
these
this
set
of
blocks
from
one
to
three.
I
can
look
down
here
in
my
district
in
my
changes
box,
your
pending
changes,
and
it
will
tell
you
before
you
actually
make
the
change.
What
your
deviation
will
be.
If
you
make
that
change
so,
for
example,
my
district
3
will
be
2.2
percent
and
my
district
1
will
be
negative,
seven
percent.
That
is
going
to
make
my
district
one
too
small.
F
F
My
target
is
three
and
I'm
just
going
to
click
on
my
pointer
tool
here
and
click
on
a
couple
of
blocks
to
see
down
here
in
my
pending
changes
under
percent
deviation.
I
can
see
that
this
brings
district
3
now
to
negative
1.5
percent
and
district
2
to
3.8
percent,
and
I
think
yeah.
I
kind
of
like
that
looks
like
a
nice
clean
line,
I'm
going
to
click
the
check
mark
to
make
that
happen,
and
now
I
have
the
change
made
the
districts
so
going
back.
F
F
There
are
two
final
there's
a
final
process
that
you
need
to
go
through
when
you
think
that
you
have
the
plan
that
you,
like
you're,
happy
with
your
plan.
You
say
yes,
this
is
the
one
I
would
like
to
submit
or
print
before
you
do
that
up
here
in
the
blue
ribbon,
there's
a
planned
integrity
tool
and
before
I
do
that,
I
just
want
to
mention
that
there
this
is
included
in
the
quick
start
guide.
So
after
it
goes
through.
All
of
your
tools
down
here
is
verifying
and
submitting
your
plan.
F
It
walks
you
through
the
purpose
and
how
to
verify
your
plan.
So
basically
the
verify
tool
plan,
a
verify
plan
tool
is
just
telling
you
whether
or
not
whether
or
not
you
have
a
valid
plan.
There
are
two
measures
here
that
it
goes
through.
One
is
find
unassigned
areas
and
you
click
on
it,
and
what
that
means
is
it's
making
sure
that
you
have
included
every
single
census
block
in
in
at
least
one
it
is
assigned
to
a
district,
so
you
have
a
complete
plan
and
you're
not
leaving
out
any
census
blocks.
F
So
in
this
particular
plan,
if
you
start
with
the
current
plan
you're
going
to
you
will
see,
there
are
no
unassigned
areas.
So
you
click
on.
Ok,
if
for
some
reason,
you're
starting
from
scratch,
you're
building
your
own
districts
and
you
click
on
your
plan.
Integrity
find
unassigned
areas
and
it
shows
it
will
show
you.
F
The
second
plan-
integrity
tool
is
fine,
non-continuous
areas.
Now
this
is
a
little
tricky
with
the
city
of
hollister,
because
you
do
have
two
areas
that
are
non-contiguous
the
first
one.
If
you
click
on
the
first
line
here,
it's
saying
that
there
are
two
in
there's
one:
an
area
two
in
area
one
and
two
in
area
two.
You
really
have
one
in
each
district,
but
it's
it's
showing
you
the
non-contiguous
area,
and
it's
saying
here's
the
the
other
area
that
it's
supposed
to
go
to.
F
So
you
click
on
that
and
you
click
on
your
magnifying
tool
and
it'll.
Take
you
right
to
that
non-continuous
area,
and
we
know
that
this
is
a
non-contiguous
area
of
district
2
already
so
you're
always
going
to
get
this
report,
even
though
you
have
no
non-contiguous
areas,
the
other
one
is
in
district.
Two,
I'm
sorry
in
district
one,
I'm
sorry
it's
in
district
four!
F
There's
this
little
block
here
that
you're
probably
familiar
with,
and
it
is
always
going
to
be
a
non-contiguous
block.
It
has
zero
population
in
it,
but
it
is
part
of
your
within
your
city
limits.
So,
like
I
said
every
time
you
do
non-contiguous
check
your
non-continuous
areas,
you're
going
to
get
this
report,
it's
anything.
In
addition
to
that,
you
want
to
make
sure
that
you
don't
have
any
census
blocks
that,
for
instance,
might
be.
F
Assigning
to
number
one
over
here,
it's
not
contiguous.
It
will
tell
you
that,
so
those
are
the
four
main
tools
on
how
to
modify
districts
and
then
the
last
thing
I
want
to
share
with
you
is:
if
you
want
to
submit
your
plan
to
the
city,
there
are
two
ways
to
do
that.
You
click
on
the
share
plan
drop
down.
F
F
You
can
type
in
your
any
message
you
want
to
say
this
is
my
plan.
I'm
resident,
you
know
joe
smith,
in
district,
whatever,
whatever
message
you,
whatever
message,
you
want
to
convey
to
the
city
you
can
fill
in
there
and
then
you're
telling
it
what
to
add
what
geographic
files
and
the
geographic
files
are.
What
make
up
your
plan,
you
can
click
on
esri
shapefile
or
you
can
click
on
maptitude
for
redistricting.
F
But
when
it
is,
you
can
type
in
a
message
here
and
then
you
fill
out
all
of
your
information
and
I
will
tell
you
that
it
all
of
them.
We
tried
this
and
all
of
these
blanks
here
have
to
be
filled
in
they're
all
requirements.
F
And
then
you
click
ok
and
it
goes
straight
to
the
city
of
hollister's,
redistricting,
email
site
and
basically,
what
that
does
is
the
same
thing
as
emailing
it
and
going
back
to
the
email.
You
can
email
a
plan
to
yourself
if
you'd
like
or
you
can
share
with
all
users.
If
you
say
you
know,
this
is
a
great
plan.
I
want
everyone
on
the
site
to
see
it.
You
can
share
your
plan
and
click.
F
Ok
and
what
happens
when
you
do
that
is
when
somebody
goes
to
when
you
go
into
open
your
open
more,
you
can
go
to
the
share
plan
tab
and
you
can
see
if
anybody
has
shared
a
plan.
So
maybe
your
you
know,
neighbor
has
submitted
a
plan
and
you
want
to
see
their
they've
shared
a
plan.
You
can
open
their
plan
and
you
can
make
a
copy
of
it
and
adjust
the
districts
for
that
plan.
F
So
that's
another
way.
You
can
start
by
adjusting
districts
and
then
the
last
thing
I
wanted
to
show
you
is
this
really
cool
reports?
Tab?
If
you
click
on
reports
and
click
on
population
summary,
it
will
give
you
the
opportunity
to
include
all
of
the
population
statistics
that
are
included
it's
those
data
fields
that
are
included
in
each
block
and
summarized
by
district.
F
So
let's
say
I
want
to
see
all
of
these
and
I'm
going
to
put
them
in
my
selected
columns
and
click.
Ok,
and
it
will
give
me
a
report
of
my
plan,
so
you
can
see
all
of
the
data
statistics
for
each
of
the
four
districts
and
then,
if
you
go
down
to
here
to
what
we
call
percent
deviation,
total
percent
deviation,
it
will
say:
oh
your.
Your
plan
is
at
5.37.
B
Councilmember,
thank
you
mayor
robin.
First
of
all,
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
You
did
for
the
record
state
that
you
hope
there
are
a
lot
of
questions,
and
so
I'm
going
to
fulfill
your
request.
Thank
you.
B
So,
first
of
all,
can
you
confirm
for
me
that
there
is
no
cost
to
anybody
that
uses
a
plan
to
use
the
app
for
maptitude.
F
That
is
correct.
Yes,
anyone
that
wants
to
draw
a
plan.
There's
there's
no
cost
that
the
the
application
is
up
and
running
or
will
be.
I
don't
know
if
it's
published
yet,
but
it
will
be
plugged
published
soon.
If
it's
not
so,
yes,
the
only
infer
the
users
only
have
to
give
information,
they
have
to
create
an
account
and
then
they're
ready
to
go.
F
B
F
I
believe
the
the
information
is
only
stored
for
purposes
of
documenting
plans
as
far
as
caliber
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
I
understand
your
question
correctly
as
far
as
what
caliper
does,
with
the
information
or.
B
Well,
I
actually
what
anybody
might
do
with
it.
You
know.
Sometimes
you
you
go
to
an
app
and
you
start
using
it
and
all
of
a
sudden
you
get
all
kinds
of
additional
things.
You
didn't
really
ask
for
or
have
interest
in,
and
I'm
just
I'm
just
curious.
If
we
know
what
what
the
consequence
is
beyond
using
the
app
and.
F
C
Okay,
excuse
me
councilmember
burns.
If
I
may
just
add
to
that
too,
there
is
a
cost
for
analyzing
submitted
maps,
of
which
the
council
has
already
approved
20
to
be
submitted.
If
we
go
over
that
it's
250
dollars
per
map.
Just
so
you
know.
C
B
C
Approved
at
the
meeting
that
we
approved
that
you,
let
me
roll
the
money
over.
You
approved
20
of
them
to
be
submitted,
so
we
are
able
to
do
20
at
this
time.
If
we
go
over,
it'll
be
250
dollars
per
map.
B
Device
because
if
people
just
go
crazy,
which
I
kind
of
hope
they
do
honestly,
but
we
want
to
make
sure
that
it's
that
they're
complete
and
that
it's
just
not
somebody
just
playing
to
play
with
the
the
app
and
I-
and
I
could
be
that
guy,
incidentally,
because
I'm
going
to
mess
this
up
more
than
anybody
else.
C
F
I
think
it's
a
two-part
question.
The
first
question
is:
there's
no
limit
to
the
number
of
maps
that
you
can
create
and
when
christine
you
referred
to,
that
you
have
20
maps
that
lap
cough
and
goblet
are
going
to
analyze,
then
we'll
we
will
get
we'll
know
when
those
20
are
up.
F
So
those
are
the
20
that
you're
worried
about
not
the
unlimited
number
of
maps
that
people
submit
or
play
around
with
it's
only
the
maps
that
they
so
that
people
submit,
I
believe,
paul
and
his
team
can
tell
on
their
I.t
and
how
many
submissions
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
paul,
but
just
by
listening
to
other
clients,
conversations
about
this,
they
can
go
into
their
server
and
see
how
many
people
have
logged
in
how
many
people
have
submitted
a
plan,
and
it's,
I
believe,
tracked
by
ip
address.
F
F
B
Okay,
well,
then,
I
would
actually
ask
that
we
do
get
that
that
data
from
caliber
on
a
regular
basis.
I
I
won't
define
or
ask-
or
I
don't
really
know
what
regular
means
in
that
comment,
but
whether
it
be
once
a
week
once
a
month
or
whatever,
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
for
council
to
be
able
to
track
that
data
and
again
I
hope
that
we
we
do
spend
whatever
is
necessary
to
get
the
community's
participation,
but
it
would
be
good
to
track.
B
E
To
the
city
clerk's
office,
they
both
have
the
access
to
the
redistricting
email
and
also,
obviously
I
obviously
have
that
capability,
also
so
between
the
three
of
us.
Okay,.
B
E
F
Yeah,
yes,
part
of
them-
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
if
I
got
all
of
them,
but
that
that's
a
very
good
question.
It's
a
little
bit
different
with
the
city
of
hollister,
because
caliper
is
hosting,
and
this
is
the
first
jurisdiction
that
we've
done
this
with
with
caliper
hosting
so
okay
yeah.
Well,
that's
something
that
I
can
check
with
tracy
a
caliper
too.
D
Could
I
add
something
here:
two
things,
because
all
the
shared
plans
will
go
to
the
redistricting
email
address.
You
at
the
staff
will
know
how
many
submissions
there
are
of
actual
submissions
correct
and
then
you
will
send
that
to
us
when
you're
ready
to
do
that.
So
though
you'll
you'll
have
a
count
of
how
many
plans
we're
doing
so
far,
we're
checking
for
you
and
second
of
all,
if
you
want
to
do
acknowledgement
that
you
could
do
an
acknowledgement
from
that
email.
D
C
C
D
B
Think
that
would
be
a
good
parameter
regardless,
and
I
absolutely
think
it
would
be
something
that
staff
should
look
at
as
opposed
to
council,
because
obviously
we
could
be
perceived
as
having
an
interest
which
we
may
or
may
not,
and
so
to
have
an
independent
set
of
eyes
on
it.
That
understand
the
technology,
I
think,
would
be
very
helpful.
B
Okay,
moving
right
along
so
when
I
saw
the
demonstration
I
saw
where
it
talked
about
when
you,
when
you
move
blocks
that
it
it
would
show
a
percentage
of
the
change.
Well
that
actually
also,
I
couldn't
see
it
from
my
perspective
on
the
diocese,
but
well
that
also
show
the
the
number
of
actual
residents
or
registered
voters
that
are
in
that
block.
B
F
Total
pop
cbap
voters-
yes
and
another
thing
I'd
like
to
mention-
because
I
forgot
to
do
so
earlier-
the
total
population,
the
label
in
each
block,
is
the
total
population
that
is
showing
so
that
you
can
see
if
you're
zoomed
in
and
you're
making
changes
to
a
district.
You
can
see
the
total
population
for
each
block.
B
Okay,
yeah,
yeah,
okay
and
then,
and
I'm
about
to
wrap
up.
I
promise,
I
guess
my
last
two
questions
and
maybe
a
comment
in
relation
to
this
process
is
have
we
I.
I
know
that
we've
scheduled
public
meetings
to
discuss
this
at
the
formal
level,
but
have
we
given
any
consideration
to
maybe
hosting
a
workshop
where
people
such
as
myself
are
technology
challenged,
and
it
could
be
helpful
to
actually
provide
people
with
hands-on?
B
I
know
I've
learned
a
lot
of
computer
programs
in
my
my
older
part
of
my
life,
but
it
was
through
a
lot
of
trial
and
error
and
it
was
through
a
lot
of
commitment
and
help
from
others
that
that
I
was
able
to
actually
accomplish
my
intended
goal
and
then
my
my
final
question
is:
is
there
a
process
whereby
potentially
some
people
don't
have
access
to
the
internet,
they
don't
have
access
to
a
computer.
B
C
C
This
would
kind
of
be
the
video
that
you
would
go
to
once
you're
on
your
computer
and
you
you
can
re-watch
it
and
it
will
walk
you
through
it,
but
I
know
that
there's
also
a
way
for
people
who
don't
have
a
computer
to
use
a
paper
process
and
shelly.
I
don't
know
if
you
could
maybe
explain
a
little
bit
more
on
that.
D
For
some
for
some
clients
we
have
done
that.
We
have
set
up
a
paper
what
we
call
pieces.
We
break
the
city
into
pieces
which,
where
we
think
people
might
be
interested
in
moving
around
pieces,
it
would
still
require
a
computer
though
we
could
also
have
it
printed
out
on
a
map
and
people
could
sort
of
draw
on
the
map
what
they
wanted.
D
That
was
not
an
election
that
you
all
chose,
because
that
was
an
additional
fee
and
you
chose
the
online
software,
but
we,
if
you
wanted
to
do
that,
there'd,
be
an
additional
theme
for
us
to
do
a
paper
map
with
pieces
on
it
where
people
move
around
those
pieces
which
actually
people
use
that
our
experience
more
than
they
use
the
the
mapping
software.
But
your
city
is
so
small
that
the
mapping
software
might
work
as
long
as
people
are
willing
to
invest
the
time
in
in
learning
the
software.
D
But
if
we
can
do
that
for
you,
you
know
the
paper
pieces
can,
if
you
like,
but
it's
for
an
additional
theme.
B
I
I'd
actually
like
to
explore
that
as
an
alternative
as
well,
and
then
I
guess
my
final
thought
actually
I'm
I've
extended
beyond,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
there
are
computers
at
the
community
center
that
could
be
used
for
this
process
potentially
and
so
I'll.
Just
throw
that
out
to
to
the
city,
manager
and
staff
to
consider
that
as
well.
I
I
for
one,
am
much
more
of
a
physical
guy.
I
want
to
be
able
to
see
it
touch
it
smell
it
play
with
it,
move
it
around,
and
I
like
the
pieces.
A
B
E
A
E
A
Wanted
somebody
is
to
show
up
and
say:
oh
I
just
want
this
for
whatever
reason,
but
to
really
spend
the
time
and
understand
how
this
really
works,
and
not
just
my
neighbor
lives
over
here.
I
want
them
in
that
district
because
they're,
my
friend
or
something
we
want
to
make
sure
this
is
really
making
sense
for
the
entire
community
and,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
a
small
city,
and
I
just
spending
the
time
here
today-
understanding
the
numbers,
I
think,
mr
burns,
you
said
it
right
from
the
very
beginning.
A
I
think
you,
you
were
correct
on
the
northern
part
of
the
boundary
that
you
were
talking
about
and
I
think
we
can
all.
As
we
know
our
district,
as
you
mentioned
too
you,
you
watch
your
district.
You
know
that
pretty
well,
mr
perez
knows
his
district
and
what
really
makes
the
most
sense-
and
I
think
we
can
get
to
that
point-
pretty-
I
think,
relatively
quickly
and
easy.
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
to
you
all
for
taking
the
time
this
morning
to
go
through
this
with
us.
E
Question
comments:
go
ahead,
yeah!
No!
I
just
want
to
make
a
comment.
Thank
you
for
your
presentation.
I
also
think
that
you
know
what
I
don't
think
our
numbers
are
way
off.
I
don't.
I
don't
anticipate
this
being
a
long
drawn-out
thing
I,
like,
I
think
simple,
is
best,
but
I
wanted
to
thank
you
again
and
thank
all
the
public
for
coming
in
on
your
saturday.
F
One
thing
I
I
it's
very
important
and
I
forgot
to
share
it
with
you,
so
I'm
just
going
to
open
up
share
my
screen
and
open
the.
F
Can
you
see
the
application?
Yes,
there's
a
way
to
change
it
from
english
to
spanish?
The
guide
comes
in
spanish
as
well,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
everybody
was
aware
of
that.
It's
very
important
that
it
comes
in
several
different
languages:
portuguese,
vietnamese
chinese
as
well
wow.
Thank
you.
A
C
G
So
my
only
question
with
regards
to
the
software
so
that
a
lot
of
people
don't
submit
if
the
numbers
are
off
like
someone's
just
joking
around.
You
know
not
that
I'm,
but
let's
say
that
they
really
is
there
a
way
that
you
cannot
submit
that
that
the
the
program
will
not
accept
it
as
a
as
a
a
map
for
submission,
so
that
someone
is
not
just
playing
games
and
just
you
know,
playing
a
puzzle
out
there.
G
That's
just
my
question:
if
the
software,
so
that
way,
I
understand
we
only
have
20,
but
is
there
a
way
for
the
software
to
to
stop
from
people
submitting
something
that
would
just
not
be
acceptable
either
way
on
this
on
the
program?
So
there
isn't
okay,
because
if
there's
only
20
and
it's
250
for
how
many
more
then,
because
we
did
this
with
the
the
county,
did
this
and
people
were
playing
with
the
maps
and
it
out
at
the
county,
fair,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
G
I
was
thinking
about
also
the
community
center
there's
there's
you
could
have
a
workshop
at
the
community
center.
I
think
there's
10
computers
out
there
available,
like
mayor,
said,
there's
also
going
to
the
library,
but
if
you
wanted
to
do
a
workshop,
the
committee
center
would
be
the
place
to
go
because
you
can
actually
have
a
large
volume
of
people
and
then
they
would
just
have
to
wait
around
to.