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From YouTube: Gov Hol PC 20210524
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Hollister Planning Commission Special Study Session
Hollister General Plan
May 24, 2021
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Thank
you,
commissioner.
Maura
here
president
thank
you
chairperson.
He
boy
yeah,
thank
you,
and
I
will
note
that
commissioner
munster
is
absent.
He
called
in
earlier
and
indicated
that
he
had
a
prior
engagement
today
and
would
not
be
able
to
join
us
to
the
in
this
meeting.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Abraham
you're
welcome.
G
C
I
did
receive
the
notice
of
the
meeting
and
got
the
request
of
the
print
out,
so
the
material
read
it
over
the
weekend
and
since
I
have
announced
that
I
am
a
member
of
two
committees
are
especially
taking
a
vested
interest
in
the
general
plan,
the
public
art
review
committee
and
the
san
benito
county
chamber
of
commerce
green
committee.
I
sent
the
notices
out
to
those
organizations
subsequent
to
that.
I
received
a
phone
call
from
david
earley
and
he
suggested
that
we
highlight
certain
eight
out
of
these
items.
I
C
Great
and
then
I
received
two
emails
this
afternoon
that
I
would
bike
to
just
to
just
take
a
minute
to
read
for
the
record
and
one
is
from,
and
I
think
as
a
response
to
the
emails
that
I
sent
previously
to
the
green
committee,
and
one
respondent
was
her
name
is
emily
renzel
and
she
her
email
is
states
as
as
as
follows.
Dear
david,
I,
like
the
topics
you
and
david
earley
came
up
with.
C
I
cannot
attend
the
meeting,
but
I
note
that
the
agricultural
background
report
for
the
last
comprehensive
plan
stated
that
farms
of
fewer
than
10
acres
are
not
really
viable
for
egg
production.
Yet
the
county
has
five
acre
minimum
lot
size
on
most
of
the
prime
egg
land.
Maybe
you
could
consider
an
ordinance
for
10
acre
minimum
lot
size,
but
allowing
one
or
two
five
acre
lots
to
be
divided
off
for
estate
purposes
and
then
freezing
the
larger
remaining
lot
for
viable
egg
production
with
no
further
subdivision.
C
It
might
be
very
complicated,
but
with
computers
such
things
could
be
simplified
and
tracked
emily,
and
I
also
received
an
email
from
christina
chavez-wyatt
she's
affiliated
with
the
sam
viniel
business
council.
Thanks
david.
She
just
had
some
comments
on
these
eight
topics.
New
school
funding
need
to
engage
rivas,
caballero
crystal
sean
to
farmland
mitigation.
The
city
should
engage
in
the
counties
hcp.
I
believe
that
stands
for
habitat
conservation
plan.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
where
is
lafco
on
this
sensitive
habitat?
The
city
should
engage
in
the
county's
hcp
growth
management.
C
The
special
planning
areas,
yes
supported
by
ambeg
cog
housing
sites,
yes
supported
by
ambed
cog,
inclusionary
zoning,
yes
supported
by
ambeg
and
cog,
so
bear
in
mind
all
of
these
28
elements.
Subcategories
are
important
and
the
general
virtual
audience
has
opportunities
to
comment
on
any
of
these
categories
and
elements
regardless,
if
they're
on
the
highlighted,
eight
items
or
not
so
without
further
any
further
ado,
I
asked
for
the
normally
I
ask
for
a
staff
report,
but
yes,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation.
Yes,.
E
Great,
thank
you
very
much
abraham
and
thank
you
chair
hugh
boy.
I'm
david
early
with
place
works,
and
I
am
the
consultant
working
with
you
as
the
principal
in
charge
here
with
me.
This
evening
is
also
kerry
stone
from
our
office
and
she
is
our
project
manager.
I
see
that
the
presentation
is
already
being
shared
with
you.
I
don't
know
if
it's
possible
for
it
to
be
made
full
screen,
which
would
be
nicer
to
look
at
if
that's
possible,
that's
closer
to
full
screen.
E
E
The
general
plan
consists
of
a
series
of
seven
required
elements.
The
law
calls
them
elements
instead
of
chapters,
because
it's
not
necessary
that
they
be
arranged
in
individual
chapters,
although
in
the
case
of
hollister,
the
existing
general
plan
has
six
chapters
that
cover
these
seven
required
elements,
and
let
me
say
it's
a
very
good
general
plan
already
the
one
adopted
in
2005..
E
It
has
a
circulation
element,
a
housing
element,
a
natural
resources
and
conservation
element,
an
open
space
and
agriculture
element,
and
then
it
combines
two
elements
that
are
otherwise
required
by
law
in
a
single
health
and
safety
element,
and
that
includes
both
safety
and
noise,
which
are
the
two
other
required
elements
required
by
law.
This
hollister
general
plan
also
has
one
more
element
in
it.
That's
called
an
optional
element.
Any
community
can
add
any
additional
element
that
it
likes.
E
The
general
plan
update
that
we're
engaged
in
right
now
is
based
on
seven
overall
goals
that
you
see
listed
here.
The
first
is
to
engage
a
very
broad
spectrum
of
the
community
and
we've
been
working
diligently
to
engage
all
the
members
of
the
hollister
community
in
this
process.
Some
of
you
may
have
heard
that
we
actually
just
recently
had
a
spanish
language
workshop
with
about
40
people
in
attendance,
with
the
workshop
conducted
entirely
in
spanish
by
our
staff
and
yours.
I
think
that
was
a
really
important
milestone
in
that
broad
community
engagement.
E
We've
also
had
a
number
of
english
language
meetings,
with
good
participation
as
well.
Our
other
goals
here
are
to
establish
the
community's
vision
for
hollister
in
the
year
2040
and
we'll
be
looking
at
that
vision.
Tonight,
we've
understood
that
you
want
to
maintain
your
small
town
agricultural
air
character
that
you
want
to
manage
growth
consistent
with
community
goals.
You
want
to
ensure
high
quality
development
support
economic
development
and,
of
course,
you
need
to
respond
to
state
mandates
that
have
arisen
since
the
last
adoption
in
2005.
E
E
You
can
see
on
this
map
and
I
I
know
it's
a
little
hard
to
read
if
you're,
probably
in
the
audience,
but
hopefully
you
can
I'm
on
your
on
a
computer.
You
should
be
able
to
see
it
pretty
well
that
we're
looking
at
the
area
inside
the
city
limit,
which
is
shown
as
the
black
line
on
this
document,
as
well
as
the
sphere
of
influence,
which
is
the
yellow
line,
and
is
the
area
that
lafco,
the
local
agency
formation
commission
has
already
designated
as
possibly
subject
to
future
annexation.
E
But
we're
already
we're
also
looking
at
what's
called
the
urban
service
area,
which
is
an
area
that
the
city
agreed
several
years
earlier
before
now.
That
is
a
possible
place
where
sewer
and
water
service
might
be
extended,
and
then
we
also
have
a
planning
area
which
is
the
largest
of
these
areas,
with
the
purple
dash
line
around
it,
and
that's
the
area
that,
although
the
city
likely
would
never
annex
it,
that
the
city
recognizes
as
possibly
relevant
to
the
city's
future
planning
decision.
E
Making
this
process
has
a
lot
of
opportunities
for
public
involvement.
We've
been
holding
a
number
of
workshops
and
events,
as
well
as
online
activities,
undercover
19.
Unfortunately,
many
most
of
those
workshops
have
been
connected
conducted
via
zoom,
but
we
still
have
had
very
good
participation,
as
I
mentioned
both
in
english
and
in
spanish.
I
hope
we'll
be
able
to
switch
back
to
live
events
before
we
do
the
actual
adoption
and
without
with
live
events.
Hopefully
in
the
fall,
we
have
had
a
large
number
of
gpac
meetings
as
well.
E
The
gpec
actually
met
five
times,
just
in
the
last
couple
of
months
to
review
the
work
you're
seeing
this
evening.
We'll
have
several
meetings
here
before
the
planning
commission,
including
this
one
tonight
and
we'll
have
several
city
council
meetings
as
well.
Next
slide,
we
do
have
a
very
robust
website
as
well.
This
is
a
picture
of
the
home
page
of
the
website,
which
is
located
at
hollister2040.org.
E
E
I
I
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
schedule
for
the
project
we're
right
now,
at
the
end
of
the
third
of
the
lines
on
this
chart,
we
have
already
documented
baseline
conditions
and
future
trends.
We've
prepared
a
draft
vision
which
we're
showing
to
you
this
evening,
and
we've
also
prepared
a
series
of
policy
assessments
with
draft
policy
language.
That's
coming
to
you
this
evening
as
well.
I
will
wrap
up
this
third
part
of
the
process
with
the
city
council
meeting.
E
That's
scheduled
now
for
june
22nd,
and
that
will
be
the
end
of
the
third
line
on
this
chart
from
there.
We
will
go
into
preparing
both
the
draft
general
plan
itself,
as
well
as
the
other
work
products
that
are,
I
mentioned,
there's
the
climate
action
plan,
the
emergency
plan
and
the
environmental
impact
report
and
those
will
all
be
published
in
the
fall
of
this
year
and
then,
after
from
the
fall
until
early
next
summer,
we
anticipate
a
six
to
nine
month.
E
I
wanted
just
to
mention,
as
I
already
said,
that
we
do
have
a
general
plan
advisory
committee
or
gpac.
It's
functioned
really
well.
It
did
not
have
a
full
complement
of
members
until
just
recently,
but
both
before
its
membership
was
full
filled
out
and
now
afterwards,
it's
really
done
a
great
job
in
doing
both
of
these
two
things,
one
to
review
and
make
recommendations
to
your
commission
and
the
city
council
about
the
work
products
and
also
to
serve
as
project
ambassadors,
to
spread
the
word
about
the
general
plan,
update
and
encourage
participation.
E
So
the
gpac
members
are
doing
all
those
things.
If
we
have
the
next
slide,
you'll
see
a
list
of
the
members,
and
those
do
include
the
two
council
members
mayor
valesquez,
as
well
as
council
member
resendez,
two
of
your
commissioners,
commissioner,
hugh
boy
as
well
as
commissioner
stevens
and
three
members
of
the
public
chris
evans,
carol,
johnson
and
larry
robecki.
E
So
that
concludes
my
presentation.
Just
about
the
general
plan
I
did
say
already.
I
think
you
should
just
take
one
round
of
public
comment
after
I
finish
my
presentation,
but
I've
been
talking
quite
a
bit
here.
How
about?
If
I
stop
for
a
minute
and
through
the
chair,
we
could
ask
just
if
any
planning
commissioners
have
questions
about
any
of
the
information
I've
presented
so
far.
C
E
Yes,
you're
absolutely
right
about
that
and
I
apologize
that
slide
is
a
little
out
of
date,
but
you're
right
that,
just
in
the
last
few
weeks
the
gpac
did
make
a
recommendation
that
we
should
have
a
standalone
environmental
justice
element
and
we
are
planning
to
do
that.
So
that
list
should
be
expanded.
K
Just
one
comment:
this
is
commissioner
mora.
I
I
see
that
we're
going
to
add
the
economic
development
as
an
element
as
part
of
the
update,
which
I
think
is
great,
because
it's
very
important,
especially
for
the
for
the
city
of
hollister,
I'm
just
curious
as
to
how
eager
the
mayor
and
council
member
resendez
are
and
actually
participating
in
economic
development,
considering
that
they
don't
really
participate
or
communicate.
K
Much
with
the
adc
so
and
and
and
the
economic
development
corporation
is
very
big
in
bringing
businesses
opportunities
to
not
just
the
county
but
the
city
of
hollister.
So
I'm
glad
to
see
that
we're
going
to
focus
on
the
that
part,
but
I'm
just
I'd
like
to
see
a
little
more
involvement
from
some
of
our
elected
officials
here
in
the
city
and
work
with
the
the
organizations
that
are
helping
attract
businesses
and
job
job
creations
here
to
the
city.
D
J
C
C
Although
there
we
have
different
opinions
on
some
of
these
subjects,
finding
the
commonalities
and
and
working
together
and
being
productive.
I
I
find
that
we're
really.
You
know
my
my
hats
off
to
everyone
involved
that
we
really
made
a
lot
of
progress
to
this
point.
Thank
you
very
much
so
with
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
planning
commission
I'll
open
up
the
public
hearing.
Now
it's.
E
E
All
right
so
I'll
continue
with
the
vision
statement.
I
will
stop
again
simply
for
questions
from
the
planning
commission.
I
encourage
member
of
the
public
to
hold
questions.
If
you
have
any
questions
about
what
I
already
presented,
they
could
be
asked
during
the
public
comment
period.
Any
comments
on
what
I
already
presented
and
then
comments
or
questions
about
any
of
this.
Next
two
parts
could
all
come
from
the
public
at
once,
but
let
me
dive
in
then
with
the
vision
statement.
E
If
we
could
have
the
next
slide
just
wanted
to
give
a
little
background
about
the
vision
statement.
First,
what
is
a
general
plan
vision
statement?
It's
interesting.
A
vision
statement
is
not
actually
required
in
the
law
when
place
works.
Does
a
general
plan.
We
really
encourage
communities
to
have
a
vision
statement,
but
your
current
general
plan
doesn't
have
one,
but
I
think
your
current
general
plan
actually
shows
a
lot
about
what
what
the
community
wants
and
what
its
vision
is.
E
The
entire
general
plan,
as
you
know,
is
several
hundred
pages
long,
so
it's
a
little
bit
much
to
wade
through,
but
the
vision
statement
is
just
a
one
or
two
page
statement
that
hopefully
summarizes
all
the
ideas
that
the
general
plan
is
trying
to
support,
and
so
in
that
sense
it
describes
the
future
of
hollister,
as
the
city
hopes
to
see
it
in
the
year
2040.
It's
expressing
shared
community
values
relating
to
all
the
topics
in
the
general
plan,
and
it
is
already
providing
guidance
for
our
preparation
of
general
plan
goals
and
policies.
E
So
you
can
see
in
this
graphic
that
the
vision
statement
sits
at
the
top
the
goals
flow
from
it,
and
the
policies
flow
from
the
vision
statement
and
from
the
policies
flow
from
the
goals.
So
here's
an
example,
the
vision
statement
might
and
actually
does
have
a
statement
something
to
the
effect
that
residents
can
both
live
and
work
in
hollister.
E
So
one
of
the
goals
that
would
that
would
that
would
support
that
vision,
that
specific
part
of
vision
would
be
a
goal
of
increasing
local
jobs
and
some
examples
of
policies
and
actions
that
would
be
intended
to
achieve
that
goal
would
be
a
policy
to
designate
new
land
for
commercial
uses
at
the
airport
or
an
action
to
develop
a
program
to
attract
new
businesses
to
the
industrial
park.
Now
these
are
just
examples,
but
they
do
give
an
idea.
E
E
So
if
we
could
have
the
next
slide,
we
did
do
quite
a
bit
of
visioning
work
with
the
community
that
was
actually
almost
a
year
ago.
Last
june
and
july
we
had
four
virtual
workshops
on
the
vision
statement.
You
can
see
some
pictures
of
them
here.
We
had
an
online
survey
and
other
engagement
tools
active
on
the
website
in
june
and
july
of
2020.
We
then
drafted
the
general
plan,
the
general
plan,
vision
statement
and
review
reviewed
it
with
the
gpac
in
october
of
2020..
So
it's
been
around
for
quite
a
while.
E
We
did
not
bring
it
to
you
as
a
planning
commission
until
we
have
our
other
work
on
policies
done,
because
we
wanted
to
make
this
meeting
as
efficient
as
possible,
but
this
vision
statement
has
been
available
and
guiding
our
work
for
some
time
already
next
slide.
So
the
vision
statement
has
two
parts.
E
Third,
innovation
and
fourth
sustainability,
and
you
can
see
the
text
about
each
of
them.
I
won't
read
it
all
out,
although
it's
been
available
to
you
in
the
packet
and
in
a
number
of
other
places
over
the
last
few
months,
but
the
equity
obviously
is
ensuring
that
everyone
is
treated
fairly.
Diversity
means
respect
for
diverse
cultural,
religious
and
political
backgrounds,
innovation,
thinking,
bolder
and
fostering
new
ideas
and
sustainability,
ensuring
that
our
actions
contribute
to
social,
economic
and
environmental
well-being.
E
It
does
talk
about
the
beautiful
surrounding
agricultural
landscape,
the
historic
past,
the
small
town
charm,
the
architectural
character
of
historic
hollister.
It
talks
about
hollister
as
an
innovation
hub
with
its
industrial
park
and
airport,
with
shopping
with
tourism
related
to
both
pinnacles
national
park
and
the
state
curriculum
recreation
area
and
the
availability
of
high
quality
jobs,
allowing
residents
to
both
live
and
work
locally,
freeing
up
time
that
might
otherwise
be
spent
traveling.
E
It
talks
about
transportation.
It
talks
about
community
life,
the
vibrant,
historic
downtown.
It
talks
about
arts
on
both
arts
programs,
as
well
as
arts
in
public
places,
and
it
talks
about
coordinating
with
the
county
of
san
benito
and
other
local
agencies
to
ensure
orderly
and
well-planned
growth
into
the
future.
So
those
are
some
of
the
key
points
in
this
vision
statement
we'll
be
happy
to
take
additional
comments
about
it
from
the
public
tonight
or
public
members
that
already
commented
on
it
before
the
gpac
and
then
we'd
like
to
hear
from
you.
D
E
C
And
also
david,
thank
you
for
that,
and
going
back
to
the
2005
update,
we
did
have
a
visioning
session
or
visiting
workshops,
but
we
never
did
get
anything
down
on
in
writing
in
terms
of
a
statement
and
we
look
at
the
volume
of
materials
subjects
to
discuss.
Really.
The
vision
statement-
and
I
agree,
is
the
foundation
for
where
everything
else
is.
C
E
Right
so
this
will
for
better
or
worse,
be
the
longest
part
of
my
presentation.
But
I
do
want
to
talk
about
the
policy
recommendations
that
came
out
from
the
gpac
and
then
we
could
take
the
next
slide.
Let
me
just
say
again
that
the
gpac
met
actually
five
times
from
march
23rd
through
april
27th,
and
that
was
preceded
by
three
pub
well
preceded
by
two
public
workshops
that
held
were
held
in
early
march
march,
9th
and
10th,
as
well
as
a
spanish
language
workshop
on
may
6..
There
was
also
a
policy
options.
E
This
is
a
list
of
the
24
topics
that
the
gpac
did
consider
consider
you'll
see
that
one
of
them
is
actually
crossed
out
and
that's
number
12
cannabis,
which
was
an
economic
development
topic
and
the
economic.
The
gpac
did
decide
that
although
they'd
considered
it
that
the
general
plan
did
not
need
special
cannabis
policies
within
it,
and
so
that's
crossed
out,
because
it
won't
be
moved
forward
as
a
subject
for
separate
policy
making.
E
But
there
are
23
other
items
here:
1
through
11
and
13
through
24,
all
of
which
have
policy
recommendations
for
you
and
the
city
council
from
the
gpac
tonight.
We're
going
to
focus
on
the
eight
items
that
are
shown
here
in
orange,
school
funding,
farmland,
mitigation,
sensitive
habitats,
level
of
service
growth
management,
special
planning
areas,
residential
land
use
designations
and
inclusionary
housing.
The
reason
we've
chosen,
those
eight
is
that
number
one
that
they
were
all
of
the
most
concern
and
interest
to
both
the
gpac
and
the
members
of
the
public
and
number
two.
E
So
I
would
suggest,
perhaps
after
you
discuss
these
first
eight,
that
I'm
going
to
be
talking
about
tonight-
that
if
you
all
want
to
talk
about
other
items-
and
we
can
make
time
for
that
as
well,
so
I'm
going
to
dive
in
now
on
new
school
funding
and
I
believe
that'll
be
the
next
slide
so
in
new
school
funding.
The
issue
here
is
that
existing
school
impact
fees,
which
are
capped
by
state
law,
are
insufficient
to
construct
new
school
facilities
and
senate
bill.
50
is
the
name
of
the
state
law.
E
It
limits
the
amount
of
impact
fees
that
the
city
can
collect
and
additional
school
funding
is
needed
to
be
generated
in
some
other
way.
If
there's,
if
in
order
to
close
that
gap,
I'm
really,
I
would
say
for
a
new
school,
the
impact
fees
probably
only
cover
somewhere
between
20
or
maybe
30
or
40
percent
of
the
cost
of
building
such
a
school,
the
other
80
percent,
or
at
least
60
or
70
percent,
is
not
covered
through
those
fees
and
needs
to
be
found
in
some
other
way.
E
There
are
statewide
funding
sources
available,
but
those
are
quite
competitive.
It
is
possible
to
have
the
voters
pass
bond
measures,
and
that
has
happened
in
the
past
in
hollister,
but
hollister
voters
more
recently
failed
to
pass
such
a
bond
measure,
and
so
funding
options
are
not
that
broad.
In
the
next
slide.
I
can
show
you
the
recommendations
that
came
from
the
general
plan
advisory
committee.
E
E
E
E
The
city
of
hollister
is
surrounded
by
sensitive
habitats
for
red-legged
frog
and
tiger
salamander,
and
I
said,
surrounded,
but
that's
really
a
misrepresentation.
I'm
sorry
for
that.
It's
on
it's
land
on
the
east
side
of
the
city,
east
of
fairview,
and
you
can
see
it
in
the
cross-hatched
area
on
the
map
on
the
screen.
E
These
are
lands
that
are
thought
to
be
habitat.
For
these
two
critical
species,
the
red-legged
frog
and
the
tire
salamander-
and
there
is-
has
been
future
residential
development
planned
for
this
area,
both
under
city
and
county
auspices.
We
could
have
the
next
slide.
The
gpac
looked
at
this
and
considered
a
recommendation
to
prohibit
development
on
that
land.
E
So
if
those
conditions
were
to
occur,
then
the
land
would
be
precluded
from
development.
I
especially
wanted
to
call
this
to
your
attention,
because
this
is
a
slightly
less
restrictive
regulation
than
was
suggested
by
the
gpac,
but
it
is
in
keeping
with
input
from
the
u.s
fish
and
wildlife
service
next
slide.
E
The
fourth
item,
as
I
mentioned,
is
traffic
level
of
service.
I
already
reminded
you
that
state
law
now
precludes
using
level
of
service
in
environmental
impact
report
as
a
as
an
impact
assessment
tool,
but
the
city's
general
plan
can
still
require
a
level
of
service
goals
in
all
locations
and
in
fact,
the
2005
general
plan
uses
level
earth
service
and
establishes
los
c
as
the
desired
condition
throughout
town
in
2020
29
of
37
intersections
that
we've
studied
were
operating
at
these
adopted
standards.
E
But
that
means
that
eight
were
not
at
those
standards
and
so
there's
already
an
issue
that
you're
not
currently
being
able
to
maintain
that
level
of
service
c
goal.
If
we
could
have
the
next
slide.
Looking
at
that
issue,
the
gpac
did
are
decide
that
they
wanted
to
maintain
level
of
service
c
as
the
goal
in
mark
most
parts
of
the
city,
but
they
did
establish
a
suggested.
E
A
suggested
exception
for
the
downtown,
allowing
level
of
service
d
at
the
downtown
intersections
that
you
see
on
this
map
at
fourth
and
monterey,
san
benito
and
sally
street
and
south
street
at
san
benito
street,
all
other
downtown
intersections.
There
would
be
no
level
of
service
standard
at
all,
and
this
is
in
keeping
with
the
idea
that
I
can
just
explain
it.
That
level
of
service
in
a
downtown
area
often
does
deteriorate
precisely
because
we
want
to
have
a
lot
of
activity
in
the
downtown.
E
So
as
the
downtown
becomes
a
more
popular
place,
more
and
more
people
are
there.
There
are
likely
to
be
a
few
more
cars
in
the
area,
but
that's
really
part
of
creating
a
more
vital
downtown
and
it's
not
reasonable
to
think
of
wanting
a
very
vital
downtown
while
still
having
completely
free-flowing
traffic
through
the
area,
and
that's
the
reason
for
this
gpac
recommendation.
E
If
we
could
have
the
next
slide.
Our
traffic
engineers
kimberly
horn
have
suggested
that
the
industrial
area
on
the
north
side
of
town
should
also
have
a
level
of
service
of
d
instead
of
a
goal
of
c,
and
that's
because
there
are
somewhat
constricted
roadways
in
that
area
and
as
economic
activity
is
enhanced
in
that
area,
and
particularly
with
truck
traffic
and
large
numbers
of
employees.
E
We
did
do
already
a
very
extensive
analysis
of
likely
future
development
and
future
demand
in
and
around
hollister
and
the
city
of
hollister
does
have
a
fair
amount
of
housing
capacity
still
within
its
sphere
of
influence
and
its
city
limits.
But
it's
important
to
understand
that
that
housing
capacity
is
almost
entirely
in
the
form
of
higher
density,
residential
and
mixed
use,
development
and
very
little
of
it.
E
We
looked
at
three
possible
growth
scenarios
for
the
city
and
the
surrounding
area
in
the
unincorporated
county.
We
projected
future
development
demand
under
each
of
those
scenarios
at
about
two
thousand.
Excuse
me
two
thousand
units
at
a
baseline
case
about
almost
4
900
units
in
a
moderate
growth
case
and
almost
about
6
800
units
in
a
robust
growth
case
and
in
both
of
those
two
bigger
conditions,
it's
likely
that
additional
land
would
be
needed
to
accommodate
additional
development,
particularly
if
the
city
wanted
a
preponderance
of
single-family
homes.
E
You
can
see
here
on
this
chart
as
many
possibly
as
636
acres
of
additional
land
would
be
needed
to
accommodate
that
robust
development
scenario,
particularly
with
the
preponderance
of
single-family
homes.
The
gpac
looked
at
that
if
we
could
have
the
next
slide
and
decided
that
the
gpac
really
does
want
to
focus
on,
can
I
go
to
the
next
slide?
Actually,
let
me
just
see
here
yeah,
let
me
well
I'm
going
to
get
everybody
confused.
E
Let's
go
back
two
slides,
even
though
I'm
a
little
confused
sorry
about
that,
the
gpac
did
decide
that
it
was
perfectly
acceptable
to
focus
on
most
do
development
over
the
next
25
years
or
so
20
years,
I'm
in
the
higher
densities
and
mixed
use
categories.
The
gpac
therefore,
did
not
decide
to
add
a
large
amount
of
additional
lands
for
for
single-family
homes,
but
did
want
to
add
some
additional
lands
for
some
development.
I
mean
I'll
talk
more
about
that
in
a
moment.
E
Let's
go
on,
though,
to
the
next
slide,
and
let
me
mention
also
that
a
second
growth
management
issue
for
the
city
of
hollister
is
that
there
has
been
a
fair
sort
of
a
precedent.
That's
been
established
over
time,
but
the
city
not
only
was
approving
development
within
its
limits,
but
has
also
been
approving
wastewater
treatment
capacity
using
the
city's
wastewater
treatment
plant
for
new
development
in
the
county,
and
that
is
most
likely.
It
appears
in
violation
of
some
of
the
california
government
code.
E
If
future
annexation
is
expected
or
outside
the
sphere
of
influence,
only
to
address
an
immediate
or
pending
health
and
safety
threat-
and
that's
not
been
the
case
so
far
today,
the
city
has
actually
approved
service
sewer
service
to
lands
outside
of
its
soi
without
any
threat
of
impending
or
immediate
health
safety
issues,
and
in
fact
this
was
law
land
where
there
was
currently
no
no
development
in
place
and
hence
no
possibility
of
a
health
and
safety
threat.
So
those
agreements
are
of
some
concern.
Those
precedents
are
of
some
concern.
E
They
were
already
memorialized
in
a
couple
of
agreements
called
memorandums
of
understanding
with
the
county
with
the
san
benito
water
district
and
the
sunny
slope,
county
water
district,
and
so
we've
have
some
concerns
about
those
memorandums
of
understanding
as
well.
So
if
I
could
have
the
next
slide,
let
me
bring
this
all
together
and
talk
about
the
cheapex
recommendations.
E
If
we
have
the
next
slide
I'll
go
quickly
to
the
special
planning
areas,
the
city
does
have
three
new
special
planning
areas
that
we
were
asked
to
study
as
part
of
this
project,
and
these
are
the
buena
vista
corridor,
which
is
the
blue
area
as
well
as
we
expanded
it
to
include
the
pink
area
along
highway
25
at
the
northern
edge
of
this
map.
We
also
looked
at
the
meridian
road
area,
which
is
in
green
on
this
map
and
the
union
road
corridor
in
purple.
E
On
the
south
side
of
town,
we
worked
with
the
gpac
to
consider
how
land
use
designations
in
each
of
these
areas
should
potentially
be
changed,
and
the
gpec
meters
made
a
series
of
recommendations
which
I
will
show
you
now
next
slide
in
the
buena
vista
area.
The
gpac
did
decide
that
most
of
that
area,
even
portions
that
are
currently
inside
the
city
sphere,
should
be
designated
and
redesignated
as
agriculture.
E
You
see
that
here
in
this
green
color,
but
the
gpac
did
also
recommend
a
series
of
both
medium
density
and
high
density
housing
right
along
santa
ana
road
and
the
buena
vista
road
that
you
see
here,
as
well
as
some
additional
sites
along
highway
25
that
are
shown
further
up
on
the
map
as
well
and
those
are
in
the
kind
of
buff-colored
area.
The
pink
area
would
remain
as
north
gateway,
commercial
and
some
of
the
other
areas
are
particular
are
already
developed
with
medium
density
residential.
E
So
again,
for
this
plain
of
history,
you
can
see
primarily
agriculture
and
some
medium
and
high
density
residential
next
slide.
The
gpac
also
looked
at
the
meridian
road
area,
which
was
considered
perhaps
for
some
additional
single-family
development.
This,
of
course,
is
on
the
far
northeast
corner
of
town
at
santa
ana
road
and
fairview,
and
the
gpac
followed,
or
gave
a
recommendation,
on
the
one
hand,
that
it
would
be
advisable
to
put
meridian
street
through
as
a
true
street
in
this
area,
which
would
include
needing
to
build
a
bridge
across
the
water
course.
E
Lastly,
in
the
union
road
area,
the
gpac
had
a
very
considerable
discussion
about
that
area
on
both
sides
of
union
road,
both
north
and
south,
and
on
both
sides
of
south
side
road,
and
you
can
see
on
this
map
that
the
gpac
decided
that
a
portion
of
that
area,
roughly
the
the
lower
left
quadrant,
should
be
maintained
in
agriculture
and
should
not
be
designated
for
development.
However,
the
areas
on
both
sides
of
the
school
of
the
existing
school
would
be
designated
for
medium
density
development.
E
There
would
be
high
density
residential
development
along
north
of
union
road
and
approaching
highway
25
airline
highway,
and
then
there
would
be
a
mixed
use
node
that
would
be
both
higher
density
residential
as
well
as
some
commercial
that
would
be
between
south
side
and
airline
highway
and
I'm
south
of
union
road.
So
you
can
see
all
of
those
items
here
on
the
map.
E
Next
slides
we'll
talk
now
about
the
last
two
items
which
have
to
do
with
residential
development.
The
gpac
did
consider
high
density
residential
development
and
how
and
where
it
should
be
allowed
in
the
city.
State
law,
as
you
know,
does
require
the
city
to
have
areas
designated
for
higher
density
development.
E
E
The
gpac
also
asked
that
the
maximum
density
in
high
density
residential
go
up
from
45
up
to
65
dwelling
units
per
acre
and
then
in
the
downtown.
The
maximum
go
up
all
the
way
to
125
units
per
acre
to
allow
for
a
really
robust
apartment
building
in
the
downtown.
So
those
are
three
recommendations
to
you
this
evening.
E
Finally,
if
we
could
have
the
next
set
of
slides,
our
last
topic
is
an
inclusionary
housing
program.
The
gpac
did
direct
that
the
general
plan
should
have
an
inclusionary
housing
policy,
which
is
a
policy
that
would
require
a
percentage
of
new
market
rate
housing
be
reserved
for
low
and
moderate
income
housing
households.
The
goals
here
would
be
to
increase
housing,
affordability,
to
reduce
housing
segregation
and
to
support
state
mandated
housing
targets.
E
E
E
They
are
first
that
the
program
would
require
that
20
of
units
be
made
affordable
to
moderate,
low
and
very
low
income
units.
State
law
says
that
you
can
do
such
a
requirement
as
up
to
15,
but
if
we
want
to
go
beyond
15,
the
city
will
need
a
feasibility
study
to
determine
that
the
program
won't
be
an
impediment
for
housing
production.
E
So
that
would
mean,
for
instance,
in
a
40
unit,
single-family
subdivision
you
could
actually
have
36
single-family
homes
and
you'd
have
to
build
one
four-plex,
and,
as
we
thought
about
that,
we
were
hopeful
that
that's
not
too
burdensome
requirement.
It's
not
a
requirement
for
hugely
multi-family
buildings.
They
would
not
have
to
be
apartment
buildings.
E
They
could
be
built
as
a
series
of
four
plexes
that
could
be
either
gathered
together
or
distributed
throughout
a
subdivision
as
fourplex
or
greater
units
that
I
believe,
if
we
could
have
the
next
slide,
you
guys
here
we
are
so.
This
just
comes
back
to
that.
Overall
listing
of
all
of
the
subjects
I've
now
gone
through
all
of
the
eight
subjects
that
are
shown
here
in
orange.
Those
are
the
ones
that
we
identified
as
possibly
the
ones
needing
the
most
discussion.
E
I
would
recommend
through
the
chair
that
you
now
open
it
up
for
any
questions
on
this
presentation
from
any
commissioners
and
then
open
up
for
public
comment
and
then
come
back
and
discuss
first
of
the
vision
and
values
and
then
discuss
these
eight
items.
It's
now
seven
o'clock.
This
meeting
is
intended
to
go
until
8
30,
so
I'm
hopeful
that
we
can
accomplish
that
agenda
over
the
next
hour
and
a
half
and
I'll
turn
it
back
to
you.
Mr
chairman,.
C
So
we
have
that
in
the
books,
but
then
we're
saying
that
we're
we
need
to
if,
if
we
have
a
a
development
that
the
gpac
recommends-
and
I
think
it's
it's
creative
and
interesting-
about
the
flexibility
of
the
zoning-
with
allowing
some
concessions
with
setbacks
and
building
heights.
But
what
I'm
pondering
here
is
that
we're
also
asking
for
a
specific
plan
that
includes
quote
adequate
developer
funding
as
a
precondition
for
development.
So
in
other
words
here
we
have
sb70.
C
C
That's
my
first
comment,
the
other
unsensitive
habitats,
and
I
I
thought
that
you
know
that
the
g-pack
was
was
pretty
adamant
about
having
some
showing
some
sensitivity
on
on
the
species
that
are
endangered.
But
now
we
have
against
the
wildlife
organization
is
saying
that
that
the
biologist
can
evaluate
potential
sites.
That
may
support,
I
want
to
say,
may
support.
C
So
it's
it's
just
a
little
bit
vague
there
on
what
land
may
be
supportive
to
sensitive
habitat
and
may
not
be
exactly
within
these
areas.
Mapped
that
we
know
of
I
know
the
county
has
some
of
those
areas
mapped
out
fairly
fairly
clear,
but
it's
a
little
unclear
to
me
what
area
or
surrounding
areas?
I
guess,
may
support
that
type
of
wildlife.
C
The
special
study
areas-
and
I
know
we
spent
quite
some
time
on
that-
I
just
I
just
want
to
say
that
referring
to
the
buena
vista
corridor,
where
we're
normally
we
on
the
books.
Today
we
have
north
gateway
commercial.
Now
we're
saying
high
density
residential,
which
I
think
I
think
it
that's
that's
very
intriguing.
I
think
that's
that
could
be
very
very
add
a
lot
of
invigoration
to
that
area.
C
Finally,
I
had
some
this
were.
These
are
my
main
points
of
topics.
Here
is
that
on
the
inclusionary
zoning
and
again
you
know-
we've
been
talking
about
this.
I've
been
on
the
planet
commission
for
quite
some
time.
We've
been
talking
about
inclusionary
zoning
for
quite
some
time
here
and
now
we
know
that
the
2016
housing
element
calls
for
a
strategy
and
calls
for
actually
it
from
what
my
understanding
of
the
2016
housing
element.
C
It
says
that
we
do
need
this
inclusionary
zoning
we're
going
to
be
put
beyond
the
we're
going
up
to
20
here,
which,
again
from
what
mr
early
is
saying,
is
that
it
requires
a
feasibility
study.
My
question
is:
that's:
that's
all
fine
and
good
for
me,
but
my
question
is:
when
is
that
feasibility
study
to
be
prepared?
E
All
right:
well,
that
is
actually
a
question.
I
can
try
and
answer
the
answers
simply
is
we
don't
know
we're
discussing
with
staff
two
different
options?
One
is
that
both
the
feasibility
study
and
creation
of
the
plan
of
the
ordinance
itself
could
be
done
now
during
the
time
that
the
general
plan
is
updated
and
the
other
possibility
is
that
it
would
be
an
action
for
implementation
after
the
general
plan
is
updated
and
would
be
funded
and
managed
separately.
E
Our
opinion
is
that
it's
not.
This
is
obviously
a
legal
issue
and
we
would
be
happy
for
the
city
attorney
to
opine
on
it.
There
are
a
number
of
other
communities
throughout
northern
california
that
do
have
similar
requirements
and
those
have
not
been
successfully
challenged
in
court.
So
we
believe
that
this
is
a
legally
defensible
way
to
proceed.
E
The
reason
is
that
the
city
does
not
have
a
duty
to
or
a
responsibility
to,
designate
new
parcels
of
land
for
residential
development
or
any
sorts
of
development.
That
is
a
voluntary
action
on
the
part
of
the
city
and
the
city
can
work
with
developers
to
make
whatever
voluntary
arrangements
that
those
those
developers
want
to
make.
So
if
developers
don't
want
to
move
forward
with
larger,
more
adequate
school
funding,
they
don't
have
to,
and
the
city
also
would
then
not
would
not
necessarily
need
to
redesignate
any
additional
lands
for
that
residential
development.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
I
did
have
a
general
comment
too,
and
that
is
that
it's,
you
know
it's
a
lot.
A
lot
of
the
recommendations
here
are
are
very
good,
and
I
and
I
really
appreciate
the
hard
work
that
we've
all
spent
on
this,
but
there's
going
to
be
questions
about
who
and
how,
on
these
implementation,
promote.
You
know,
for
example,
we
have
you
know
with
the
recommendations.
C
The
words
here
promote
incentivize
quote:
unquote
words
of
that
nate.
Of
that
nature
it
sounds
good,
but
am
I
correct
to
say:
is
that
once
we
all
are
a
concurrence
with
these
policy
recommendations
we're
going
to
get
into
the
lead
agency
whose
responsibility
is
it
a
time
frame
and
the
implementation
measures?
Am
I
correct
is
that
you're.
E
Correct
about
that,
yes,
that
will
there
won't
be
a
special
additional
work
period
on
that
that
will
all
be
included
in
the
draft
general
plan
itself
and
you'll.
Look
at
it
at
the
time
that
you
review
the
general
plan
itself,
but
you're
absolutely
right
that
there's
a
number
of
measures
in
here
that
need
to
have
more
meat
put
on
the
bone.
So
to
speak
and
you'll
see
that
when
you
see
the
general
plan.
K
F
E
Done
and
we
actually
have
a
slide
further
on
in
the
deck
that
has
the
numbers,
if
you
do
want
to
hear
them,
but
there's
pretty
significant
leakage
that
has
it's.
It's
people
shopping
for
a
number
of
items
that
include
particularly
larger
ticket
household
and
general
use
items,
clothing,
higher
end
clothing
appliances
and
so
forth.
K
K
I
want
to
see
how
we're
going
to
tackle
and-
and
you
know
the
leakage
that
that
the
retail
leakage-
so
it's
it's
great-
to
talk
about
it
in
theory
and
philosophy,
but
yeah.
I
want
to
see
that
that,
if
the
pl,
if
the
gpac
is
actually
going
to
make
recommendations
to
reduce
the
retail
leakage,
I
I
I'm
familiar
with
the
city
of
salinas
or
watsonville.
Excuse
me
watsonville.
K
They
created
they
did
a
study
on
retail
leakage
and
they
they
developed
a
pretty
good
plan
to
capture
some
of
that
sales
tax
that
they
were
losing
out
on
which
helped
their
city
revenues
significantly
increase
over
time.
Obviously
they
couldn't
capture
as
much
as
they
have
you
know
within
a
couple
years,
but
they
had
a
pretty
good
plan
with
over
a
five-year
six-year
time
frame,
they've
been
able
to
capture
that
sales
tax.
E
So
I
don't
know
if
it's
either
amber
who's
running
that
or
someone
else,
but
if
you
just
jump
a
long
ways
forward
to
slide
51,
I
can
show
you
that
there's
26
million
dollars
in
retail
linkage
there.
It
is
that's
annual
spending
outside
of
the
city
limits
it's
driven
by
several
factors,
as
it
says
here,
which
is
both
the
location
of
the
of
people's
workplace.
E
I
want
to
clarify
that
we
have
these
an
additional
40
slides
here
that
we
have
not
shown
you,
because
it
would
take
me
another
30
or
40
minutes
to
go
through
the
40
slides,
and
I
don't
think
it
would
be
a
good
use
of
our
time
but
they're
they're,
not
a
secret
they're
slides
that
are
available
if
the
subjects
come
up
just
as
this
one
just
did.
Mr
rodriguez
is
now
asking
why
I
don't
want
to
take
an
additional
40
minutes
to
go
through
the
40
slides.
E
I
think
that's
self-explanatory,
that
our
time
tonight
is
limited
till
about
8
30
and
we're
hoping
to
hear
from
the
public
and
also
from
the
the
commissioners
themselves.
So,
but
again,
if
questions
come
up
about
any
of
these
items,
we'll
be
very
happy
to
put
the
slides
up
and
show
them,
and
with
that
I'd
like
to
go
back
to
the
slide
we
had
up,
which
I
believe
is
about
slide
40.
That
has
the
list
of
items.
E
E
K
Very
good
well,
thank
you
very
much.
I
do
appreciate
that,
although
I
I
I
I
do
disagree
with
with
your
opinion
regarding
not
presenting
the
slides
that
we
do
have
available.
I
you
know
this
is
a
special
session.
This
is
a
special
meeting
and
this
is
for
the
the
public
at
large
and
we
should
be
going
over
all
of
the
slides
and
all
the
information
whether
it
takes
us
a
two-hour
meeting
or
a
four-hour
meeting.
K
I
I
would
expect
a
high
level
of
service
for
what
you
should
be
providing
to
us.
So
I
I
agree
with
mr
rodriguez,
I
believe,
is
the
name
that
the
slide
should
be
presented.
Obviously
yeah.
It's
going
to
take
you
a
little
bit
longer,
but
I
think
we've
all
have
been
through
regular
commission
meetings.
K
You
know
it
happens
regularly.
You
know
not
just
here
locally,
but
you
know.
If
you
look
in
government,
you
know
federal
and
state.
You
know.
If
you
look
at
at
bills
and
the
language
they
have
thousands
of
pages
and
they
give
it
to
to
the
to
the
the
elected
officials
the
night
before
they're
supposed
to
vote.
So
how
can
people
make
an
informed
decision
and
also
give
their
feedback
if
we're
we're
not
giving
the
proper
information?
So
that
that's
my
comment
on
that?
K
C
Mr
cell
commissioner,
mora-
I
don't
know
if
you
were
at
the
beginning
of
the
meeting,
but
I
did
emphasize
that
all
these
elements
and
sub
categories
are
of
importance,
yeah
and-
and
we
do
really
want
to
bring
this
out
into
the
public
forum.
But
what
we
did
have
a
consensus
on
that
we
were
going
to
highlight
these
eight
topics.
I
don't
know
if
you
were
part
of
that
discussion
or
not,
but
that's
what
we
I.
C
But
we're
free
anyone
from
the
virtual
audience
can
comment
on
any
of
these
items
and
topics,
and-
and
I
encourage
that-
I
know
that,
for
example,
that
you
know
being
a
member
of
the
public
art
review
committee,
the
arts
and
culture
element
is
seems
to
me.
We
have
good
consensus
on
some
of
these
topics.
C
Other
ones
are
a
little
more
contentious
and
have
generated
more
interest
from
the
public
on
the
workshops
and
also
from
the
gpac,
and
that's
for
the
trying
to
focus
on
these
these
ones
that
show
the
most
interest.
I
I
can
understand
that
point
of
view
on
the
presentation
and
also
respect
you
know
that
we're
okay
we're
here
to
whatever
it
takes.
I
mean
I
I
don't
know
if
you
were
here
with
before
we,
we
would
have
planning
commission
meetings
that
go
beyond
midnight.
Oh.
K
C
C
K
K
C
That
we're
hiding
and
I
know,
is
as
as
being
part
of
the
gpa
committee.
You
know
I
I
saw
that
from
very
beginning
we're
supposed
to
be
ambassadors
to
get
the
word
out
yeah
I
I've
for
one
have
been
putting
on
my
facebook
page.
What's
going
on
in
the
hollister
we're
having
a
meeting
here,
you
know
we
want
everybody
to
participate.
C
C
N
K
When
it
comes
to
retail
leakage,
I
think
that
goes
hand
in
hand
with
economic
development,
job
creation,
all
those
things.
Yes,
it's
true
that
majority
of
our-
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
because
we
probably
haven't
studied
it,
but
the
majority
of
our
residents
here
in
hollister
do
travel,
or
at
least
at
one
point
did
travel
out
of
town
a
lot.
You
know
we're
starting
to
see
a
little
bit
more
people
go
back
to
work
to
the
office,
but
yeah.
It's
true.
You
know
you
know
we.
K
So
those
are
the
types
of
things
you
know
I
like.
Can
we
satisfy
everyone's
needs?
No,
but
we
could
do
a
better
job
as
a
city
and
and
try
to
get
some
of
these
retail
stores
to
open
up
here,
and
you
know
those
who've
been
involved
in
in
you
know:
city
business
knows
that
that
large
corporations,
you
know
big
business,
big
box
stores
that
there's
a
formula
they
use
to
determine.
If,
if
they're
going
to
open
up
shop
here-
and
you
know-
unfortunately
it's
rooftops-
you
know
so
we
have
to
decide-
you
know.
K
Where
do
we
want
to
go
as
a
community?
You
know,
I
hear
it
all
the
time
I
hear
you
know
when
I
was
campaigning
I
kept
hearing.
You
know
some
people
want
want
want
to
see
more
housing,
because
you
know
they
they
they
want
some
of
those
other
stores
that
they
love
to
shop
at
come
to
town.
They
know
how
how
those
businesses
are
going
to
get
here.
On
the
other
hand,
I
hear
so
you
know
a
lot
of
people
say.
Well,
no,
we
don't
want
more
houses,
but
we
want
all
these
other
businesses.
K
K
K
You
know
because
we
all
have
different
opinions,
but
we're
not
lawyers,
so
it'd
be
good
to
know
what
exactly
is
considered
legal
and
what
is
illegal,
because
I
hate
to
set
us
up
down
the
road,
because
if
every
development
that
does
not
set
up
a
voluntary
development
funding
gets
denied,
I
can
see
something
happen.
So
I'd
like
to
try
to
avoid
that.
Do
I
agree
with
it.
I
definitely
agree
with
it,
but
the
same
times
we
need
to
do.
What's?
K
What's
legal,
you
know
yeah
and
if
it
is
legal
and
if
there
is
potentially
case
law
out
there,
that
proves
that
it's
legal,
then
hey.
Let's
do
it,
let's
get
it
done
and
get
people
on
board
so
yeah,
it's
kind
of
it's
kind
of
tough,
because
you
know
even
the
state
says
yes,
there's
not
enough
funding
but
yet
restricts
what
the
cities
and
counties
can
can
collect.
K
C
And
also
the
state
getting
back
to
what
the
state
mandates
going
to
inclusionary
zoning.
We
used
to
have
a
redevelopment
agency
we're
talking
about
that
for
growth
management,
that
you
know
that
there's
there's
a
certain
requirement.
We
have
for
providing
housing
or
units
dwelling
units
in
whatever
capacity
for
people
of
lowering
incomes,
but
then
again
it
takes
away
what
we
had
prior.
We
had
a
redevelopment
agency
and
that
certainly
was
helping.
So
I
know
it's
a
very
difficult.
We
find
ourselves
in
a
very
difficult
position.
D
E
E
I
think
to
some
degree,
you
may
have
already
started
into
discussion
of
some
of
these
issues,
and
I
know
that
there
are
at
least
four
members
of
the
public
who've
raised
their
hands
wanting
to
speak.
So,
if
I
could,
I
would
suggest
that
you
right
now
try
and
wrap
up
any
questions
that
commissioners
have
of
me
or
staff.
E
Then
take
it
for
comments,
and
there
are
now
six
hands
raised
and
there
might
be
others
and
then
once
you've
heard
the
comments,
then
you
could
go
through
these
eight
items,
one
by
one
and
try
and
bring
closure
to
each
of
them
give
staff
some
guidance.
For
instance,
if
you
want
us
to
look
more
into
the
legalities
of
the
new
school
funding
or
if
you're
concerned
about
the
inclusionary
housing
program.
C
Would
be
happy
to
proceed
that
way
I
just
wanna
just
if
I
could
just
have
a
just
a
response
a
little
bit
to
what
commissioner
moore
was
referring
to
as
retail
leakage.
Only
take
me
a
second,
and
this
is
what
I
want
to
see
in
the
future,
with
the
gpac
recommendation,
for
example,
create
a
summary
of
demographic
and
economic
characteristics
include
strategies
to
make
hollister
a
more
appealing
location
to
those
business
types
identify
and
market
to
potential
businesses.
My
question
is:
who.
C
To
do
it,
an
implementation
mandate,
specific
ways,
responsibilities,
assignments
to
individuals.
I
think
that
is
important
to
encourage
proposed
projects
in
downtown
to
incorporate
experiential,
retail
and
entertainment
opportunity
opportunities
to
bolster
downtown
as
a
regional
destination
question.
How
so
I
mean
these
are
we're
going
to
still
have
time
to
deliberate
on
this
as
place.
Works
takes
this
to
the
next
step
when
we
define
what
the
implementation
measures
are.
That
was
just
wanted
to
finish
on
the
comment
that
mr
mora
brought
up
any
other
questions
or
comments
relating
to
the.
I
On
the
retail
leakage,
this
is
commissioner
fernandez.
I
have
lived
here
off
and
on
about
20
years,
I've
worked
in
salinas
san
jose
king
city.
I
never
want
to
buy
something
right
after
work.
I'd
like
to
come
home
and
shop,
but
really
the
only
thing
still
to
this
day
that
I
buy
here
on
a
regular
basis
is
groceries
at
lucky's
clothes
shoes,
anything
else
you
go
to
gilroy
or
you
go.
I
I
was
born
in
salinas,
so
my
preference
is
salinas
and
I
know
that
we
have
to
build
a
certain
amount
of
housing,
but
it's
one
of
those
things
where
you
do
need
some
other
stores,
because
if
my
daughter
wants
a
dress
for
the
prom
or
whatever
we're
going
to
salinas,
you
know
if
you
want
to
buy
a
really
good
pair
of
shoes.
You
have
big
five,
nothing
wrong
with
that,
but
if
you're
looking
for
something
in
particular
a
dress
shoe,
I
had
to
go
to
salinas.
Everything
you
want
is
better.
It's
amazon,
so.
F
I
Far
as
what
commissioner
mora
said,
I
understand
what
we're
trying
to
do
here,
but
I
think
we
do
need
to
acknowledge
the
public
if
someone
does
bring
up
something,
because
I
mean
look
at
the
way
it's
been
for
the
last
couple
of
years.
It
just
seems
like
everything
is
done
in
secret
or
you
know
it's
a
closed
meeting
and
I'm
still
new
to
all
this
and
I
get
to
listen
to
you
guys,
talk
and
go
okay.
I
had
a
question
but
you've
answered
about
10
of
them
that
I
was
thinking
about.
I
I
I
have
a
lot
of
friends
that
that
work
out
from
their
home.
Nobody
wants
to
get
off
at
work
at
five
six
and
then
go
to
target
or
the
pet
store.
My
cats
only
use
a
particular
food
that
I
can
only
get
in
gilroy
and
salinas,
because
our
pet
store
is
too
small.
We
should
get
a
pet,
smart
or
something
so
part
of
that.
Isn't
that
you
don't
want
to.
Is
that
you,
you
can't
you
can't
find
anything
yeah.
So
that's
true.
Thank.
J
However,
I
do
worry
when
we
put
an
announcement
out
to
the
public
that
a
meeting
starts.
It
ends
at
a
certain
time
that
we
go
past
that
time,
because
I
think
that
it
shows
maybe
it
shows
it
may
challenge
some
peop,
some
of
our
public
to
stay
longer.
I
know
that
the
comment
that
commissioner,
who
boys
said
earlier
about,
like
planning
commission
meetings
going
on
like
to
11
or
12
midnight.
J
I
know
that
when
we
did
that,
I
heard
a
lot
of
complaints
from
the
public
saying,
there's
just
no
way
that
they
could
sit
through
a
four
five
six
hour
meeting
after
having
been
at
work
all
day
and
then
dealt
with
kids
right
after
work
or
whatever
stuff
is
going
on
at
home.
If
there's
no
kids
at
home.
But
I
just
want
us
to
be
respectful
that
we
put
out
as
we
published
a
certain
time.
J
So
I
agree
that
we
have
to
be
available
and
I
think
we
need
to
balance
that
with
respecting
people's
time
and
and
just
being
realistic
that
our
general
public
cannot
sit
through
four
or
five
hour
meetings,
although
I
do
know
that
as
commissioners
there's
times
that
we
have
to
do
it,
but
we
do
that
knowing
that
on
that
third,
fourth
and
fifth
hour
we're
going
to
lose
a
big
majority
of
the
public.
So
I
just
want
us
to
keep
that
in
mind
as
we're
moving
through
this
and
we
try
to
be
more.
D
K
G
K
Yeah,
because
I've
never
seen
a
a
city,
council
or
commission,
meeting
or
board
of
supervisors
meeting
have
an
end
time
to
it.
I've
I've
always
only
seen
a
start
time.
So
I
do
understand
what
commissioner
stevens
is
saying,
but
I
I
I'm
that's
why
I
was
a
little
baffled
where
we're
coming
up
with
this
8
30
hard
stop
time
right.
J
J
I'm
saying
that
that's
kind
of
what
we've
been
doing
in
gpac-
and
I
just
just
want
to
caution
us
that
when
we've
had
those
marathon,
four
or
five
hour
meetings
that
we
have
lost
the
public
and
so
in
an
effort
to
try
to
be
as
transparent,
we've
kind
of
done,
the
opposite.
So
I
just
want
us
to
balance
out
the
need
to
be
open
with
also
respecting
the
public's
time.
C
C
G
G
Yes,
thank
you
for
that
david.
So
we
do
have
a
time
limit
of
three
minutes
that
again
the
planning
commission,
if
anybody
from
the
audience
does
require
additional
timing,
usually
that
that
is
up
to
the
planning
commission,
but
our
standard
timing
for
public
comment
is
three
minutes.
Thank
you
for
that.
D
M
M
I
only
know
this
meeting
and
that
it's
happening
that
these
these
the
public
input
is
allowed
because
david
hueboy
and
myself
are
a
member
of
the
green
committee
with
san
anito
county
chamber,
not
because
place
works,
sent
out
an
email
or
my
city
government
reached
out
and
said
that
this
this
is
happening
today.
I
think
these
meetings
are
far
too
important
for
our
community
to
overlook
and
I
think
that
that's
what's
happening
with
the
people
who
have
been
selected
to
to
represent
us
in
this
in
this
case.
Thank
you.
O
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
discuss
a
little
bit
this
time
concept.
I
wasn't
going
to
talk
about
it
initially,
however,
you're
allowing
me
three
minutes.
I've
sat
here
for
an
hour
and
43
minutes
just
listening.
I
sat
through
many
of
the
gpac
meetings
and
listened
and,
unfortunately,
not
understanding
necessarily
how
those
things
were
constructed.
I
did
not
get
a
chance
to
put
in
my
input,
although
there
was
time
later
for
me
to
put
input
in
through
the
websites
and
what
have
you
so
a
couple.
O
If
everybody
was
buying
stuff
here,
the
stores
would
have
the
things
folks
want
to
buy
under
arts
and
culture.
This
seems
to
blend
considerably
with
the
historical
and
cultural
resources.
I
think
those
things
should
be
combined
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
discussions
one
of
gpac
was
talking
about
an
arts
and
culture
center.
That
center
definitely
needs
to
include
both
the
library
and
the
historic
museum.
O
O
To
happen-
and
we
have
to
also
remember
that
this
is
for
20
years
from
now,
so
if
we
fill
it
up
with
a
lot
of
little
pieces
and
little
bits
and
those
mom
and
pops,
for
you,
know
eight
or
ten
people
yeah,
that
always
helps
with
the
taxes
and
everything
else,
but
it
isn't
the
kind
of
growth
industrially
that
we
need
to
put
people
to
work.
Thank
you.
G
G
P
P
As
such,
I
find
that
the
success
of
the
hollister
general
plan
update
to
be
very
important,
so
I
wanted
to
specifically
address
sensitive
habitats,
specifically
the
recommendations
provided
in
the
letter
dated
on
april
30
from
u.s
fish
and
wildlife,
and
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
a
few
key
aspects
of
that
ladder.
One
was
that
u.s
fish
wildlife
said
that
they
have
not
formally
assessed
the
cumulative
effects
of
development
on
the
california,
red
lake
and
frog
or
california,
tiger
salamander
in
the
critical
habitat
units
cross
planning
area.
P
In
addition,
they
noted
that
the
areas
of
the
planetary
area,
which
encompassed
critical
habitat
for
the
california
league
and
flock
in
california
tiger
salamander,
lie
completely
outside
of
the
current
city
limits
of
hollister
the
policy
options.
Miranda
does
not
address
how
these
policy
options
would
be
implemented
in
currently
unincorporated
areas
of
san
benito
county.
P
P
I
think
that,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
both
the
city
of
hollister
and
the
county
have
the
same
goals,
but
I
think
that
the
only
way
to
truly
achieve
dealing
with
critical
habitat
is
by
coordinating
across
the
jurisdiction.
So
I
asked
that
the
city
council,
please
have
before
anything
any
policy
recommendations
are
proved
that
they
have
to
coordinate
with
the
county
of
san
benito.
D
D
Q
Yes,
thank
okay,
so
good
evening,
I'm
back
again
to
discuss
park
hill.
I
should
I'm
hoping
that
you'll
put
it
in
the
historical
and
cultural
column.
Instead
of
the
multi-residential
column,
I'm
hearing
whispers
that
there's
a
talk
of
putting
apartments
up
on
top
of
park
hill
and
park
hill
should
be
saved
for
future
generations.
I'm
not
going
to
be
here
much
longer,
but
I
want
to
know
it's
protected.
Q
There's
I'm
hoping
this!
The
last
general
plan,
the
the
city
buildings
up
there
were
identified
as
a
and
we
rallied
folks
to
save
it
and
to
have
that
removed
and
40
people
went
down
at
the
draft
to
the
city
council
and
requested
that
that
not
be
multi-residential,
and
so
the
city
council
eventually
or
they
removed
it
from
being
multi-residential
and
said
it
was.
Q
N
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
abraham
and
commissioners
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
in
the
gpac
meetings.
I
have
attended
rail
transportation
has
been
touched
on
in
passing
with
the
general
planned
vision
extending
tonight
to
2040
should
should
passenger
rail
connection
to
gilroy
be
given
more
attention
and
consideration.
N
R
R
It
just
doesn't
work,
you'd,
be
better
off
letting
people
build
the
houses
there
and
have
a
definite
line.
Be
it
a
road
that
switches
and
and
you're
off
one
side
is
housing
and
one
side
isn't,
but
it
doesn't
work
and
you're
talking
about
keeping
the
orchards
over
there.
Well,
I
am
the
orchards
over
there
and
I
guarantee
you.
I
can't
make
a
living
on
them.
R
R
I
have
one
piece
of
property
that
the
line
for
the
north
gate
development
goes
right
through
the
20
acres,
which
makes
no
sense
at
all.
I
think
everybody
needs
to
pay
attention
where
the
lines
are
and
where
the
roads
are
and
structure
everything.
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
pushing
back
and
forth
at
planning
meetings
and
city
council
meetings
trying
to
get
things
cleaned
up
and
that's
a
lot
of
what
I
see
that
could
happen,
but
five
acres,
10
acres.
R
You
can't
make
a
living
on
ag
unless
you're
at
high
end
with
horses
or
something
like
that
racing
or
breeding
stock.
But
I'd
be
more
than
happy
to
talk
to
individuals.
One-On-One
feel
free
to
get
a
hold
of
me.
Some
of
you
know
how
to
get
a
hold
of
me
love
to
talk
to
you
about
these
areas.
Retail
water
is
your
other
big
issue:
how
you're
gonna
handle
it.
R
I
don't
know
it'd
be
nice
to
be
on
more
people
could
get
tied
into
the
sewer
plant
to
get
rid
of
the
septic
systems
in
this
county.
I
have
property
right
next
to
the
city
limit
that
I
can't
get
on
septic,
get
on
the
sewer
lines
and
I'm
on
septic,
which
doesn't
do
anybody
in
this
community,
any
good
I'll,
just
cut
it
right
there.
I
think
I've
talked
long
enough.
Thank
you.
S
Our
comment
letter
of
april
30th
proposed
that
as
one
potential
way
that
the
city
could
approach
development
in
the
california
target,
salamander
critical
habitat
area.
Our
general
approach
with
weighing
in
on
land
use
plans,
is
to
provide
sort
of
the
scientific
basis
and
some
potential
recommendations,
rather
than
to
endorse
a
particular
policy
option.
So
I
would
say
that,
and
perhaps
we
weren't
clear
in
our
letter,
but
I
would
say
that
in
general
we're
not
endorsing
an
avoidance
approach
like
this.
It's
we
appreciate
the
incorporation
over
input
very
much,
but
an
equal.
S
An
equally
valid
approach
could
be
to
permit
development
in
some
or
all
areas
of
critical
habitat,
again
in
collaboration
with
san
diego
county,
as
arielle
referred
to
earlier,
but
adjusting
the
mitigation
that
you
would
require,
depending
on
the
quality
of
the
habitat
as
assessed
by
a
qualified
biologist
who,
who
knows
the
species
and
who's
qualified
to
understand
the
the
quality
of
habitat
for
the
species
on
a
project
site.
So
I
would
just
recommend
that
that
you
consider
that
as
an
option
too,
I'm
happy
to
provide
additional
input.
S
You
know
offline
or
after
this
meeting
on
how
you
might
sort
through
those.
Maybe
you
could
consider
an
approach
whereby
a
project
applicant
could
choose
between
limit.
You
know
avoiding
the
most
sensitive
areas
of
habitat
on
a
parcel
or
completely
developing
the
parcel,
but
offering
higher
mitigate
level
of
mitigation
if
they
have
a
higher
quality
habitat
parcel,
and
the
last
thing
to
consider
is-
and
I
think
I
mentioned
this
in
our
letter-
protecting
habitat
in
critical
habitat
really
does
depend
on
a
site
assessment.
T
Yes,
good
evening,
chair
and
commissioners
pasa
with
via
bay
area,
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
address
you
this
evening
and
provide
comment.
I
wish
to
comment
on
the
new
school
funding
policy
that
is
before
you
this
evening
regarding
the
preparation
of
a
specific
plan
that
includes
adequate
voluntary
developer
funding
as
a
precondition
for
development
in
new
development
areas.
I
want
to
restate
that
bia
bay
area
has
significant
concerns
about
the
language
within
this
policy
and
the
intent
the
intent
of
the
policy.
T
We
did
write
a
letter
march
30th.
I
know
it
is
in
the
packet-
and
I
appreciate
place
works,
including
that
in
the
packet
of
information
for
you
to
review-
and
I
stated
a
number
of
things-
also-
the
california
statute-
6595.,
I
want
to
reiterate-
we
have
serious
concerns.
We
will
continue
to
voice
those
concerns
we
see.
T
I
also
wanted
to
make
some
comments
regarding
inclusionary
zoning,
and
I
would
say
that
under
the
inclusionary
we
we
struggle.
All
of
us
are
struggling
in
providing
housing,
not
just
marketplace,
but
also
affordable
mitigation
fees
are
currently
being
paid
by
the
market
rate
home
builders
throughout
the
bay
area,
to
the
tune
of
millions
of
dollars.
T
The
issue
of
inclusionary
for
the
development,
the
market
rate
development
community
really
goes
beyond
just
the
simplistic
statement
of
it
impacts.
The
profit
margins
of
market
rate
developers
funding
today
and
financing
for
many
home
builders
is
through
public
public
corporations,
they're
no
longer
just
the
mom
and
pop
developers.
T
So
we
have
to
finance
these
projects
and
when
I
see
that
in
movies
are
being
recommended
to
be
denied
outright
in
single
family
development,
as
well
as
land
dedication,
which
we
all
know,
land
is
one
of
the
most
expensive
components
for
home
building
and
then
off-site
construction
really
ties
the
hands
for
providing
unique
opportunities
to
work
with
non-profit
builders
to
build
more
affordable
housing,
not
less,
affordable
housing.
So
we're
very
concerned
about
that
recommendation
as
well.
Thank
you
for
your
time
this
evening.
It
is
very
much
appreciated.
G
U
Hey
good
evening,
abraham,
I
hope
you
and
your
family
are
doing
well
planning
commissioners
staff.
Mr
early,
thank
you
so
much
for
everything
you're
doing
to
continue
the
general
plan
update
moving
forward
in
a
timely
fashion.
First,
I
do
want
to
thank
you
on
behalf
of
nino
real
estate
for
incorporating
our
our
sign
in
the
diversity
logo.
I
think
that's
tremendous
second,
and
it's
somewhat
off
the
eight
subject
topic,
but
it
is
very
germane
to
what's
going
on
right
now.
U
H
H
H
We
would
certainly
hope
that
if
such
a
sewer
line
is
extended
between
hollister
and
san
juan
batista,
that
would
follow
closely
along
the
lines
of
highway.
156
and
not
you
know,
cut
through
the
agricultural
lands
to
the
north
of
highway
156,
which
would
take
even
more
prime
agricultural
lands
out
of
production.
G
E
E
So,
ms
hall,
it
may
also
be
possible
for
you
to
type
into
the
chat,
and
certainly,
if
that
none
of
that
works
tonight,
we
would
welcome
comments
from
you
at
another
time
and
I
at
least
apologize.
I
think
all
of
us
do
that
we
can't
make
that
work,
but
I
do
see
that
ms
hall
is
able
to
type
into
the
chat,
so
this
hall,
if
you
wanted
to
you,
could
type
a
comment
at
this
time
and
we
could
read
it
for
the
record.
K
G
B
G
V
V
So
I
know
so
I
yeah
so
I
wanted
to
know
if
the
slides
would
be
available,
which
you
said
yes
and
then
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
discussion
about
multi-family
housing
and
what
how
it
could
be
encouraged
or
how
it
could
be
required
as
part
of
single
family
housing
projects
that
there
would
be
certain
requirements.
Such
a
percentage
has
to
be
multi-family.
V
Apartments,
the
the
building
fees
associated
with
apartments
are
equivalent
to
a
single
family
house
and
obviously
the
rate
of
return
on
an
apartment
is
much
less
than
a
single
family
house,
so
it
becomes
punitive
for
a
developer
to
build
multi-family
housing
and
again,
like
I
said
you
are
not
setting
fees,
but
it
seems
the
general
plan
could
maybe
recommend
to
the
city
that
they
re-look
at
how
multi-family
housing
is
assessed
fees
and
it
might
make
it
more
encouraging
for
developers
to
build
multi-family
housing.
That
was
my
comment.
G
W
Yes,
thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
commissioners
tonight.
My
name
is
jeffrey
small,
I'm
with
capital
public
finance
group.
We
are
a
financial
advisor.
We
are
here
on
behalf
of
the
san
benito
high
school
district
and
we've
been
working
very
closely
with
the
general
plan
advisory
committee.
Since
its
inception,
we've
had
plenty
of
notice
and
opportunity
to
provide
written
comment
and
participate
in
small
group
discussions.
W
I
think
we
provided
letters
in
march
and
then
one
in
may
sort
of
detailing
our
concerns
and
this
high
school
district
has
some
very
real
concerns
about
the
amount
of
growth
that
that
is
going
on
in
the
community.
They
simply
do
not
have
the
you
know
the
current
high
schools
at
capacity
and
I've
documented
this
quite
well
in
some
of
the
letters
that
that
you
can
look
at.
I
don't
know
that.
W
W
The
sb50
fees
only
pay
for
about
11
of
a
new
high
school,
and
you
know,
even
if,
even
if
the
you
know
local
constituents
were
willing
to
approve,
you
know
a
bond
for
a
new
school.
I
mean
that
that
would
be.
You
know,
grossly
unfair.
So
we
really
want
to
sit
down
and
work
with
everybody
and
see
if
we
can
come
to
a
good,
workable
solution.
So
with
that,
I
thank
you
for
your
time
and
effort.
We
look
forward
to
continuing
on
with
this
process
and
working
close
with
all
stakeholders
involved.
G
E
If
I
could,
while
we're
waiting
just
mention
quickly
that
sarah
steiner
just
wrote
and
mentioned
in
the
chat,
I
think
most
of
you
have
seen
that,
but
I'll
just
read
it
it's
fairly
short.
She
says
thank
you
for
the
presentation
very
informative,
important
to
keep
our
eye
on
the
prize.
Sustainable
rural
agricultural
community
that
maintains
its
diversity.
E
There
may
be
extensive
guidance
on
others
that
will
all
be
fine
and
then
once
you've
done
that
you
could
ask
if
other
commissioners
want
to
bring
up
any
of
the
other
15
items
and
or
16
items,
including
cannabis,
and
if
so,
have
a
discussion
about
each
of
those
as
well,
and
I
do
want
to
say
just
for
the
record.
I
of
course
am
willing
to
stay
as
long
as
this
takes.
We're
also
happy
to
come
back
for
another
meeting.
C
Very
well
so
we'll
start
with
the
new
school
funding
topic
had
some
discussion
on
that.
I
I
agree
with
what
the
commissioner
mora
was
saying
about
the
legality
issue.
I'd
like
to
to
see
if
we
can
get
a
legal
counsel
to
weigh
in
on
the
sp50
and
the
requirement
for
the
special
plan
and
see
it
make
sure
that
there's
not
going
to
be
any
black
backlash
or
or
conflicts.
Regarding
that.
E
And
if
I
could-
and
I
certainly
don't
want
to
monopolize
the
discussion-
I
really
appreciated
mr
smalls
comment
on
behalf
of
the
school
district
and
his
willingness
to
perhaps
have
a
meeting
between
the
school
districts,
consultants
and
the
bia,
and
perhaps
with
some
legal
counsel
there
as
well
to
see
if
we
could
get
a
consensus
about
what
is
legally
possible.
I'd
certainly
be
happy
to
be
part
of
that,
and
then
we
could
come
back
maybe
directly
to
the
city
council,
with
guidance
to
be
able
to
answer
those
questions.
D
E
No,
I
did
not
mean
to
say
that
I'm
not
aware
of
a
legal
challenge
to
this.
What
I
do
know
is
that
there
are
several
cities
in
northern
california
that
have
similar
policies
in
place
and
they
have
they.
They
have
not
been
successfully
challenged,
which
is
to
say
that
they
continue
to
stand.
I
do
not
know
if
they
have
ever
been
challenged
period
or
if
they're
simply
unchallenged
or
if
they
have
been
challenged,
and
the
court
has
ruled
in
favor
of
them.
E
K
Yeah,
definitely,
you
know
you
know
when
it
comes
to
new
school
funding.
Obviously
it'd
be
great.
If
you
know
the
state
would
would
chip
in
to
help
all
local
jurisdictions,
even
though
we
have
a,
I
could
have
the
figure
incorrect,
but
even
though
we
have,
I
believe,
a
75
billion
dollar
surplus
in
the
state
of
california.
K
You
know
that
it
was
a
hundred
percent
private
funding
by
the
christopher
family,
and
I
heard
it
was
part,
partial
private
funding,
some
public
funding
wondering
if
that's
something
that
gpac
has
discussed
to
say
you
know
how
have
we
looked
at
potentially
trying
to
acquire
some
private
funding
for
a
new
school
I
mean.
Obviously
the
high
school
is
is
is
large.
K
I
have
two
three
kids
that
have
gone
to
the
high
school
one
graduate
this
year
and
yeah.
It's
it's.
You
know,
but
unfortunately
you
know
I
I.
I
don't
believe
that
that
the
public
is
going
to
with
obviously
the
last
school
bond
that
that
got
shot
down.
I
think
people
are
tired
of
of
paying
for
for
school
bonds.
You
know,
even
though
it's
a
good
thing,
you
know,
can't
go
backwards
and
fix
some
of
the
errors.
K
K
Until
you
know,
we
either
get
more
people
to
support
bonds
or
we
can
figure
out
another
way
to
get
some
revenues,
but
hopefully
maybe
we
can
look
into
the
private
funding
part.
Maybe
we
have
like
a
generous
donor
out
there,
like
the
christopher
family,
you
know
you
know.
I
know
that
there's
some
long
time,
hollister
families
here
who
could
potentially
maybe
try
to
recruit
or.
K
E
Mr
christopher,
the
christopher
family,
on
top
of
that,
did
donate
75
000
towards
a
school
endowment,
but
that
is
by
no
means
enough
to
close
the
funding
gap
for
the
construction
of
a
school,
and
mr
small
perhaps
could
verify
this
if,
if
the
chair
desires,
but
I
believe
the
the
shortfall
is
more
on
the
order
of
10
to
30
million
dollars
and
while
75
thousand
dollars
is,
of
course,
a
very
generous
donation.
It
doesn't
come
close
to
closing
that
fund.
C
Again
and
when
it
comes
to
these
policies
requirements
as
versus
or
compared
to
incentives,
I'm
always
curious,
now
he's
more
willing
to
embrace
an
incentive
policy,
but
I'm
I'd
like
to
see
when
we
we
fine-tune
this
new
school
funding,
the
zoning
flexibilities.
When
we're
talking
about
setbacks,
building
heights
parking
flexibility,
maybe
density
bonuses,
can
we
can.
We
can
be
a
little
more
specific.
C
C
Okay,
let's,
let's
talk
about
farmland
mitigation
and
I
think,
by
the
way,
though,
there
was
comments
from
carminder
brown
and
others
that
were
very,
very
productive
and
and
and
showed
some
insight
on
on
some
of
these
issues
and
the
the
other
person
that
forgets
his
name.
Who
was
saying
that
we
need
to
identify
the
mitigation
is
based
on
the
quality
of
habitat.
I
C
C
C
C
But
you
know
I've
got
an
open
mind,
I'm
not
the
one
who
who
have
to
take
care
of
those
trees
but
yeah,
but
I
mean
just
for
the
it's
a
scenic.
It
can
be
a
more
of
a
scenic
route
there.
Actually,
you
know
based
on
some
infrastructure
improvements
on
union
road,
but
going
back
to
the
farmland
mitigation.
Are
there
any
comments
from
my
fellow
commissioners
on
that
one?
D
K
K
I
think
that
that's
that's
wrong.
You
know,
you
know
if
you
own
something
you
should
be
able
to
not
say
do
anything
you
want
with
it.
But
if
you
want
to
sell
a
piece
of
land
that
you've
been
maybe
having
some
orchards
or
growing
some
agriculture,
then
maybe
it's
not
profitable,
because
I
I
keep
hearing
a
lot
of
people,
make
make
general
comments
about
how
they
want
to
keep.
K
K
And
you
know
it
it's
easy
for
us
who
that's
not
how
we
make
our
living
to
tell
somebody
how
they
should
run
their
business
or
take
care
of
their
land,
because
there's
no
financial
consequence
for
us,
so
I'm
very
sensitive
when
it
comes
to
that.
I
think
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
land
in
the
county
that
that's
dedicated
for
agricultural.
K
C
I
I
was
I'm
glad
you
brought
you're
mentioning
that,
because
that
was
one
of
my
first
comments
when
we
first
discussed
it
at
gpac
was
farmland,
that's
been
in
family
for
a
long
time,
and
and
when
we're
saying
two
to
one,
it's
almost
you're,
you
know
you're
you're,
asking
these
families
they've,
had
this
farmland
and
they're
looking
at
generations
to
come
and
you're
asking
to
pretty
much
give
up
development
rights.
You
know
to
preserve
this
land,
but
then
in
in
the
grand
scheme
of
things
you
know
it's
it's
the
common
good.
C
I
think
that
I'd
like
to
see
if
there
was
in
some
circumstances,
if
there
were
some
an
avenue
for
that
scenario,
to
be
respected
for
a
landowner
who
who's
had
this
farmland.
For
maybe
it's
gone
in
for
generations,
and
this
is
his
vision,
and
so
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
to
consider
that
at
least
give
consume
consideration
to
what
his
vision
is
for
his
family's
family
to
for
the
generations
to
come.
J
J
J
It
may
be
more
realistic
in
keeping
that
feel
is
really
about
what's
happening
in
the
county
lands
and
and
agriculture,
because
I
do
think
I
do
think-
or
I
can
say
I
can
understand
how
it
would
be
difficult
to
make
a
living
in
a
small
orchard
like
the
ones
that
are
on
union
road.
If
that
land
owner
wants
to
do
something
different
with
that
land
in
in
an
effort
to
you
know,
provide
better
for
their
family.
I
don't
know
that
we
should
stand
in
their
way
from
from
doing
that
right.
E
There
are
also
in
the
special
planning
area,
discussions
and
you'll.
Come
to
that
when
you
get
to
number
17..
There
are
two
areas
on
both
along
buena
vista
and
along
union
that
the
gpac
did
propose
for
maintenance
to
be
maintained
as
agricultural,
and,
if
you
want
to
to
address
that,
I
would
suggest
that
you
do
it.
When
you
get
to
number
17
and
not
here
under
farmland
mitigation,
when
it
comes
to
farmland
mitigation,
we
are
talking
about
lands
that
would
need
to
be
mitigated
that
are
prime
or
other
unique
and
important.
E
Farmlands
mitigation
would
be
required
if
those
were
inside
the
city
and
future
lands
might
be
annexed
into
the
city
as
well.
But
as
and
carminder
brown
has
just
put
this
in
the
chat,
also
any
lands
that
were
mitigated.
That
is
that
that
had
development
restrictions
put
on
them,
that
would
be
done
on
a
strictly
voluntary
basis
by
the
landowner.
E
The
landowner,
the
the
developer,
would
pay
for
those
development
rights
from
a
landowner
who
would
voluntarily
sell
the
development
rights
and
they
would
be
turned
over
to
in
this
case,
the
the
agency
that's
overseeing
the
program
who,
by
the
policy,
would
be
an
outside
nonprofit
agency.
They
would
then
own
the
development
rights,
but
the
development
rights
could
only
be
taken
so
to
speak
from
a
seller
who
would
sell
them
voluntarily
and
those
would
almost
certainly
be
outside
the
city.
We
will
have
to
work
out
the
details
of
exactly
where
they
need
to
be.
E
I
think
they
would
need
to
be
in
san
benito
county
and
perhaps
even
within
a
certain
distance
of
the
city
of
hollister,
but
they
would
be
voluntary
sellers
of
those
development
rights
who
would
be
outside
the
city
and
who
would
have
an
ongoing
agricultural
operation.
So
nobody
who
had
a
development
project
and
wanted
to
do
that
development
project
would
be
required
to
give
up
the
right
to
do
that.
And
I
think
that
I
hope
that
addresses
some
of
the
comments
from
some
of
the
commissioners.
J
K
K
D
K
D
C
Good
yeah,
I
I
do
know
that
there
there,
if
you
want
to
develop
an
in
an
area
where
there
is
sensitive
habitat,
that
it's
it's,
it's
not
an
easy
procedure
at
all,
there's
a
lot
of
approvals
and
takes
a
lot
of
time
and
study
and
survey
before
any.
You
can
even
consider
any
type
of
development
in
a
sensitive
habitat
area.
C
C
C
Yeah,
you
know
growth
management
and
wastewater
water
treatment.
You
know
again
that
they're
they're
related,
because
the
city
is
the
provider,
okay
for
itself
and
the
unincorporated
areas,
and
then
we
had
a
pre.
You
know
we
were.
We
were
shown
that
with
the
memorandum
of
19,
I
think
it
was
9
2
000,
oh
gosh,
2016.,
you
know
it
is
it
created
a
halster
urban
area
that
was
in
or
outside
the
sphere
of
influence.
C
So
we
were
thinking
that
if,
as
long
as
it's
in
the
host
urban
area,
you
know
we're
going
to
provide
your
waste
water.
Well,
that's
not
going
to
be
happening
anymore,
and
it
makes
to
me
it
makes
it
sense.
You
know
it
really
does
that.
We
really
need
to
be
concerned
about
that,
because
I
still
remember
the
moratorium
that
we
went
through.
C
So
now
I
think
we've
learned
from
there.
We
have
to
be
very
careful
with
our
waste
water,
who
are
we
going
to
how
we're
going
to
provide
it
and
the
sustainability
of
our
wastewater
treatment
plant,
because
I
know
we're
going
to
have
to
go
through
some
upgrades
in
the
future.
So
I
I
thought
that
you
know
the
presentation
on
growth
management
and
I'm
I
didn't
have
any
any
issues
with
that
other
than
the
comments
that
I'm
making.
I'm
just.
K
Do
my
homework
yeah?
No!
No!
It's
good!
You
know
and
that's
actually
something
that
I
didn't
take
into
consideration
regarding
the
growth
manager.
Was
the
waste
management
waste
water
treatment?
You
know,
services
that
we
provide
right
and
how
and
I
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
if
they've
come
to
an
agreement
yet
with
the
potential
of
of
letting
san
juan
batista
tap
in
you
know
and.
D
C
Mayor
has
some
some
insight
on
that.
I
wish
you
know
when
this
goes
to
the
city
council,
I'm
sure
he'll
he'll
have
some
insight
that
that
be
happy
to
he'll
be
happy
to
share
with
us
regarding
where
we
are
with
san
juan
bautista
and
cooperation
with
on
the
wastewater.
Did
you
you
remember
what
the
mayor
had
to
say?
Abraham
thank.
G
You,
mr
chairman,
yeah,
so
I
my
understanding
is
that
san
juan
motif
did
come
before
the
city
council
to
make
a
proposal
during
a
report
session
of
an
agenda
that
must
have
been
at
least
a
month
ago.
Yeah
and
the
you
remember
that
question
yeah
and
my
understanding
was
that
there
was
a
consensus
that
the
city
council
wanted
to
continue
exploring
this
this
possibility.
G
C
F
D
C
How
about
the
special
planning
areas,
I
think
we're
looking
pretty
good,
although
that
we
did
have
some
comments
on
the
union
road
with
the
orchards
there
that
were
kind
of
brought
that
into
the
the
arena
again
of
discussion
regarding
the
orchard,
land
and
housing.
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
look
into
that
some
more.
K
Yeah
you
know
in
and
the
one
thing
that
that
I
hope
that
we
take
into
consideration
not
just
us
up
here
but
gpac
and
as
well
as
other
stakeholders
is.
You
know
you
know
how
how
how
how
land
is
actually
used
if
it's
just
been
vacant
and
just
sitting
there
for
the
longest
time,
and
it
hasn't
been,
even
though
maybe
considered
agricultural
land,
but
if
no
one
has
been
growing
anything
there
for
for
a
long
time,
then
maybe
we
need
to
to
look
at
the
possibility
of
maybe
a
mixed
use.
K
You
know
development
there.
You
know,
you
know,
you
know
we
can't
just
be
focused
on
just
doing
things
just
one
way,
just
because
that's
the
way
we've
done
it
right,
but
you
know,
because
I
do
see
you
know
vacant
land,
it's
just
just
a
pile
of
dirt.
It
doesn't
do
anything.
I
don't
see
anything
grown
there
at
all
and
I've
been
here
for
almost
10
years
and
it's
like
well
how
come
they're
not
doing
anything.
K
So
I
think
we
need
to
really
make
sure
that,
even
though
it
may
be
in
that
area,
where
we
consider
agricultural,
that
that
we
don't
just
don't
put
like
a
blanket
statement,
you
know
a
policy
for
everything
because
then
you
know
I
I
don't
know
if
it's
going
to
happen,
but
I've
heard
a
potential
mixed-use
development.
You
know
possibly
on
on.
D
K
D
K
F
C
C
L
K
C
D
C
C
Well,
it's
good.
You
know.
Sometimes
it's
other
things
that
aren't
aren't
so
more
tedious,
but
I
want
to
hear
because
I
I
I
really
want
to
know
what
what
it
really
takes
from
the
people
that
actually
are
involved
in
the
process
of
agriculture
and
trees
and
orchards
and
and
making
sure
we're
on
we're
doing
the
right
thing
here,
because
I
I
don't
really
know
that
much
about
it.
C
D
C
E
Through
the
chair,
if
I
could
just
to
clarify
the
request
here,
I
think
that
we
will
for
the
area
north
of
union
road.
We
will
work
at
looking
at
the
extent
to
which
it's
feasible
to
preserve
orchard
trees
in
those
areas
as
part
of
a
development.
I
want
to
clarify
again
we're
not
expecting
that
those
trees
would
remain
in
active
agriculture.
E
They
would
be
preserved
as
landscaping
essentially,
but
we
will
look
into
the
feasibility
of
that
and
that
would
also
apply
to
the
area
south
of
union
road
along
airline
highway
that
were
shown
as
a
possible
mixed
use
area
and
then
for
the
remainder
of
the
area
south
of
union
road
and
also
for
the
buena
vista
area.
We'll
do
some
talking,
perhaps
with
the
agricultural
land
trust
and
with
some
agricultural
experts,
about
the
viability
of
those
sites
for
ongoing
agriculture
to
ensure
that
we're
not
consigning
them
to
to
neither
development
nor
active
agricultural
use.
D
J
J
Okay,
so
so
let
me
ask
my
question
then,
so
I
I
remember
during
our
discussion,
we
talked
about
that.
There
was
a
little
bit
of
disagreement
about
whether
or
not
to
open
that
up
and
to
make
a
you
know
a
thoroughfare
there
through
to
fairview,
and
I
think
ultimately,
majorities
voted
to
to
to
open
it.
J
But
I
do
remember
as
part
of
the
discussion-
and
I
wanted
to
get
some
clarification
from
you
about
that
around
the
timing,
that
that
would
only
happen
under
certain
when
something
else
happened
and
I'm
not
remembering
what
that
was,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
could
clarify
that
for
me,
is
that
only
when
further
development
would
happen
in
that
area.
Was
that
only
when
something
was
going
on
with
street
planning
with
the
city.
I'm
just
trying
to
remember
what
that
was,
and
I'm
not
remembering.
E
We
went
back
to
the
notes
and
I
will
ask
carrie
stone
who's
with
me
to
see
if
she
has
any
other
comments,
but
I
think
in
the
end
that
what
we
decided
was
that
it
it
was
the
consensus
of
the
group
to
put
the
road
through,
and
I
don't
think
there
was
any
trigger
time
wise.
Commissioner
stevens
the
one
thing,
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
staff
could
go
back
to
the
map,
it
would
be
about
six
slides,
further
backwards.
E
The
one
thing
that
strikes
me
is
that
that
the
roadway,
as
shown
does
it's
not
straight
through
meridian
on
the
west
side,
is
slightly
farther
south
than
meridian
on
the
east
side,
and
there
might
have
been
some
discussion
about
a
jog
at
crater
that
that
meridian
would
go
straight
into
prater
a
little
bit
south.
And
then,
if
you
wanted
to
continue
through,
you
would
have
to
jog,
go
north
a
little
tiny
bit
on
crater
and
then
go
right
again
to
continue
on
meridian.
E
That
would
make
it
not
be
a
a
straight
route
through
and
perhaps
make
it
a
little
less
desirable.
The
traffic
circle
that
we
drew
is
intended
to
have
that
same
effect,
and
I'm
not
sure
there
was
clear
guidance
on
that.
But
I
want
to
absolutely
underscore
that
this
was
the
item
that
the
the
overall
discussion
about
was
was
the
least
decisive
of
all
of
the
gpac
work.
And
if
the
commission
wanted
to
give
different
guidance
about
that
roadway
configuration,
I
would
certainly
welcome
it.
E
But
but
we
did
do
our
best
possible
job
based
on
what
we
think
the
commission.
What
the
gpac
said,
which
was
to
put
the
roads
through
without
a
particular
time
trigger
and
with
the
roundabout
and
without
a
jog
carrie,
do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that?
Or
can
you
just
confirm
if
I,
if
I'm
saying
that
correctly.
X
J
Ultimately,
the
the
the
goal
was
that
we
don't
create
a
thoroughfare
which
would
bring
in
like
especially
speedy
traffic
through,
so
anything
that
would
slow
the
traffic
down
was
what
we
wanted,
but
I
don't
know
that
we
made
a
decision
around
exactly
what
that
would
be,
but
I
think
ultimately,
it's
really
around
having
some
way
to
get
all
the
way
through
meridian
but
discouraging
speeders
from
going
through
there
right,
so
that
I
think
that
was
what
we
wanted,
that
we
wanted.
So
I
don't
know
whether
it
can
be.
J
J
E
Think
that's
totally
up
to
you
and
ultimately
the
city
council
I
it
is.
It
is
my
professional
opinion
that
there
is
no
professionally
correct
answer
about
the
best
way
to
combat
traffic.
I
think
you
would
find
experts
who
would
say
either
that
a
traffic
circle
or
a
jog
is
going
to
be
more
effective
between
those
two
there's
also
necking
down
of
streets
that
is
making
them
intentionally
narrow
in
certain
parts,
so
that
traffic
is
forced
to
slow
down.
E
You
can
remove
parking
lanes
or
you
know,
parking
areas
on
the
street
so
that
they're
narrower.
That
creates
a
feeling
of
being
able
to
drive
more
slow
needing
to
drive
more
slowly,
and
we
can
certainly
leave
it
open
in
the
general
plan
and
put
that
goal
statement
in
so
that
if
and
when
the
city
goes
to
design
it,
they
would
follow
that
guidance
and
decide
at
that
time
if
there
is
a
best
idea.
E
So
again,
commissioner
stevens,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
make
a
specific
proposal
for
consideration
by
the
commission,
but
I'd
be
happy
to
implement
through
the
general
plan.
I'd
be
happy
for
the
general
plan
to
say
traffic
circle
or
to
say
only
a
jog
or
to
say
something
to
calm
the
traffic
to
be
studied
later,
for
example,
a
traffic
circle
or
a
jog.
I
think
any
of
those
three
things
would
be
fine.
J
Well,
certainly,
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
other
commissioners
if
they
have
a
preference,
but
I
think
that
I
don't
have
a
preference,
and
I
would
I
would
certainly
would
rather
leave
that
up
to
people
who
have
more
expertise
in
that
area
and
then
to
offer
other
options
if
there
are
other
options,
and
especially
if
it's
something
that
may
happen
later
in
the
future,
there
may
be
something
that
comes
up
later.
That
may
be
like
a
new
design
or
some
other
new
way
of
doing
it,
that
we
haven't
thought
of
right
now.
F
C
I
I
just
I
know
we
have
a
couple
of
ideas
on
how
to
calm
the
traffic
there.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
connect
meridian
to
fairview.
I
think
that's
important,
but
I
I
agree
with
the
impacts
of
if
it's
done
right,
there
should
be
a
traffic
calming
measure.
Perhaps
kimlee
horn
can
can
weigh
in
on
a
strategy
there.
C
Thank
you
so
on
on
housing
sites,
there
was
discussion
and
the
memorandum
regarding
the
housing,
the
calculation
from
gross
to
net
and
the
problems
of
net.
When
you
have
net
density,
you
you
minus
out
all
the
roads
and
all
that
it
creates
a
more
prohibitive
measure
of
options
that
can
be
taken
for
a
more
diverse
housing
types.
C
I
think
that
certainly
does
make
a
lot
of
sense
there.
I
think
we
really
need
to
look
at
impact
fees
if
we're
trying
to
create
more
apartments,
more
rental,
housing,
higher
densities.
I
think
we
really
need
to
look
at
these
impact
fees
for
the
apartments,
and
I
think
we
need
to
revisit
that
because
having
the
same
impact
fee
for
an
apartment
as
compared
to
a
single
family
home
is
to
me,
it's
just
doesn't
make
sense
to
me.
G
M
J
So
I
so
if
with
that
said
abraham,
I
just
wanted
to
just
make
a
comment
that
the
construction
costs
will
might
change.
I
think
we
can
expect
that
they
will
change
after
we
get
past
this
whole
pandemic,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
it
is
just
because
of
some
of
the
shortages
that
happened
during
the
pandemic.
So
I
don't.
J
I
would
prefer
not
to
make
a
recommendation
based
on
the
current
situation,
because
we
know
that
this
is
going
to
be
a
you
know,
20-year
plan,
so
we
want
so
I
want
it
to
be
more
broad,
but
but
but
I
would
like
to
kind
of
reiterate
what
commissioner
rupay
said
that
I
think
that
we
want.
What
I
would
like
to
see
is
a
better
understanding
of
how
the
fees
are
calculated
for,
like
you
know,
per
unit
in
a
multi-unit
structure
and
then
versus
you
know,
what
is
it?
J
What
does
it
cost
for
a
single
family,
and
it
should
be
some
sort
of
this-
should
be
like
a
a
standard
based
on
size
or
or
I
don't
know
bedrooms,
maybe
I'm
not
sure,
but
I
would
like
to
just
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
those
fees
are
calculated
or
how
they
are
that,
how
they
how
they
are
set,
and
they
should
there
should
be
some
standard
that
makes
more
sense
so
that
it
doesn't
cost
more
per
unit.
If
you
have
an
apartment
versus
a
single-family.
J
C
C
K
K
For
affordable
housing,
but
not
enough
to
be
able
to
purchase
a
market
rate
property
house,
so
you
know
I.
I
think
we
really
need
to
to
really
and
I'm
not
saying
that
we
shouldn't
you
know,
increase
the
affordable
housing,
the
reserves
or
at
least
offerings.
But
I
think
we
really
need
to
look
at
a
moderate
income,
housing
households
because
they're
the
ones
that
are
stuck
they're,
the
ones
that
are
stuck
renting
houses.
You
know
basically
paying
off
someone
else's
mortgage
for
them
and
also
they're
the
ones
that
are
stuck
in
apartments.
K
They
make
decent
money
for
you
know
where
they
live,
even
though
most
of
them
work
outside
the
city,
but
they
just
don't
make
enough
to
be
able
to
to
to
qualify
for
that
down
payment.
You
know
and
closing
costs
and
those
are
the
issues
there's
not
enough
programs
out
there
and
it's
great
that
that
we're
thinking
about
affordable
housing
but
same
time.
I
think
we
really
need
to
to
really
look
at
that
population
of
the
city,
because.
V
K
K
Too
much
you
know,
and
it's
it's
just
like
it.
It's
tough
because
you
know
you
you,
when
you
meet
the
kids
and
you
meet
the
the
the
spouses
and
you
just
you
feel
for
them,
but
unfortunately
there's
not
enough
programs
for
that
population,
but
I
think
we
we
really
need
to
to
to
work
on
that
as
a
city
and
that's
something
that
I
would
like
to
see
a
little
bit
more.
You
know
and
and
see
if
we
can
maybe
come
up
with,
you
know,
yeah.
I
know
a
long
time
ago.
K
I
believe
hollister
was
involved
in
some
of
these
housing
programs.
You
know,
I
know
times
are
different,
but
hopefully
we
can
maybe
get
involved
with
with
offering
something
like
this.
You
know
to
help
those
people
out.
You
know,
you
know
the
the
the
the
quote-unquote
american
dream
is
to
you
know
own
the
house,
the
white
picket
fence.
Obviously
you
know,
maybe
we
don't
have
fences
for
the
most
part.
C
C
D
C
K
That's
not
true,
it's
closer
to
probably
maybe
like
60
40,
but
there's
a
lot
of
long
time,
hollister
residents
that
are
able
to
sell
their
their
homes,
because
the
values
have
gone
up
and
be
able
to
make
a
good
profit
and
able
to
purchase
some
of
these
these
these
new
developments.
So
you
know
you
know,
so
I
don't
want
everyone
to
think
that
it's
just
outsiders
that
are
purchasing
these
new
homes.
J
J
An
expectation
that
there
isn't
that
when
there's
a
development
that
just
a
portion
of
those
houses
are
dedicated
to
moderate,
to
you,
know
very
low
income
somewhere
in
that
area.
But
if
we're
talking
about
like
programs
that
will
help
people
that
are
struggling
or
that
will
incentivize
like
you
know,
people
to
stay
in
hollister
rather
than
you
have
people
from
other
cities
come
in
to
live
here.
J
Is
this
the
area
where
that
is
this,
the
right
part
of
the
gpac
plan
that
it
would
fall
under
or
when
it
goes
somewhere
else,
or
is
it
even
something
that
city
and
or
is
it
county,
and
I'm
just?
I
just
want
to
ask
that
question
because
I
do
think
it's
important
and
I
want
to
just
ask
if
this
is
the
right
place
for
it.
E
I
I
think
the
question
is
directed
towards
me
and
I'm
not
sure
I
know
an
answer.
I
I
will
say
that
the
intent
of
an
of
an
inclusionary
program
is
to
ensure
that
there
are
a
certain
number
of
housing
units
produced
that
are
affordable
to
people
in
each
of
the
income
categories.
Very
low,
low,
moderate,
in
addition
to
the
market
rate
category
or
above.
E
It
is
definitely
the
case
that
not
everyone
can
even
afford
a
very
low
income
unit.
Certainly
not
you
know
low,
very
low
income.
People
also
can't
afford
a
low
income
unit.
Low
income.
People
can't
afford
a
moderate
income
unit,
so
just
having
that
supply
doesn't
meet
everyone's
needs,
and
some
people
are
also
quite
surprised
to
find
out
how
high
the
housing
cost
is,
even
though
it
officially
qualifies
as
a
very
low
or
low
income
unit.
Some
people
just
aren't
used
to
paying
that
percentage
of
their
income.
E
It's
calculated
generally
at
about
30
percent
of
the
family
income
and
while
some
people
unfortunately,
are
paying
much
more
than
30
of
their
income,
others
are
paying
much
less
and
for
those
people,
if
you're,
currently
paying
15
or
20
of
your
income,
say
for
a
room
and
a
house,
and
you
discover
that
an
apartment
is
going
to
cost
you
30
percent
of
your
income.
That
can
seem
like
a
big,
a
big
increase
and
may
not
feel
affordable.
So
there's
a
lot
of
different
nuances
there.
E
It
is.
There
are
other
housing
programs
that
the
city
has
and
which
the
county
engages
in
also.
I
imagine
that
abraham
and
other
staff
can
speak
to
those
and
those
aren't
directly
a
part
of
the
general
plan.
At
this
point
they
will
be
covered
in
your
housing
element
which
will
be
prepared
after
this
process,
probably
in
2022
and
23,
and
you
could
talk
about
those
other
housing
programs
at
that
time.
F
C
Goal
of
the
housing
types
the
way
I
like
to
see
it
is
for
the
stability
of
neighborhoods.
You
know
to
have
these
choices
it.
It
really
is
it.
It
builds
strength
in
towns
and
cities.
When
you
have
stable
neighborhoods
and
that's
based
on
having
these
housing
types
and
choices
for
your
children,
so
they
don't
have
to
go
off
to
portland
oregon,
like
my
daughter,
did.
D
I
To
commissioner
mora's
point,
there
is
a
new
class
of
people.
I
have
people
that
work
for
me
that
make
29
an
hour
and
they're
looking
to
buy
a
house
and
they're
asking
me
like.
I
thought
I
was
middle
class.
I
didn't
realize
I
was
poor,
but
not
poor,
poor.
So
now
there's
a
new
there's
poor
poor.
They
can't
afford
anything.
Then
there's
the
poor
that
can
rent
a
house
or
rent
an
apartment
for
the
cost
of
a
mortgage.
I
But
then
the
middle
class
is
slowly
faded
out
I
mean
we
got
lucky.
We
bought
our
house
right
after
the
recession
and
I
pay
less
for
a
mortgage
than
my
daughter
pays
for
her
one
bedroom
apartment
in
salinas
because
she
couldn't
find
anything
here
and
my
other
daughter
was
lucky
enough
to
buy
a
house,
but
she
had
to
go
all
the
way
to
los
banos.
I
So
I
think
there
needs
to
be
a
little
more
thought
to
that
to
keep
the
original
citizens
in
town,
I'm
not
an
original
citizen.
I
came
from
salinas,
but
having
lived
here
for
almost
20
years,
there's
no
way
I'll
ever
sell
my
house
to
go
back
to
salinas
yeah,
even
though
it's
a
little
cheaper,
believe
it
or
not
than
being
here.
You
would
think
it
would
be
more
expensive
in
salinas
unless
you
live
on
the
east
side,
which
is
dirt
cheap,
but
yeah.
We
have
to
keep
that
in
mind.
I
think
well
thank.
E
If
I
could
I'd
just
like
to
add
for
the
commission
also
that
I
I
feel
like,
I
should
apologize
that
we
use
these
terms
that
are
legal
terms
of
very
low
income,
low
income
and
moderate
income,
and
I
think
they
do
have
sometimes
a
stigma
with
them.
As
commissioner
moore
just
said,
someone
might
feel
like.
Oh,
I
I
didn't
know,
I
was
considered
low
income
and
I
don't
want
to
be
considered
low
income,
and
that
makes
total
sense.
L
J
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
important
stick
to
stick
with
those
same
terms,
because
I
think
it
gets
really
confusing,
but
I
do
think
that
we
have
to
be
really
clear
that
they're,
based
on
the
the
market
rate.
So
it's
you
know
whatever
percentage.
It
is
of
the
market
rate.
It
means
that
it's
low
income
or
very
low
income,
and
I
think
we
have
to
be
clear
about
that.
But
I
think
when
we
start
to
name
them
different
things
and
it
gets
really
confusing.
J
D
C
I
C
C
C
K
C
I
F
F
M
K
Good
then
we'll
thank
you
for
the
explanation
just
wanted
to
make
sure
that
people
understand
like
why
that
was
recommended.
You
know
you
know
again,
I
I
don't
want
the
stigma
to
be
that
you
know.
Affordable
housing
units
are
always
bring
a
bad
element
to
the
community,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure,
because
I
know
a
lot
of
I've
heard
from
community
members
in
the
past
that
they
they
were
concerned
that
they
were
only
affordable.
Housing
units
were
only
part
of
one
city
which
you
know
a
homeowner.
K
K
Economically
disadvantaged
families,
as
kids
get
get,
you
know,
are
able
to
get
good
get
into
good
schools.
You
know,
even
though
you
you
know,
instead
of
just
being
all
focused
at
one
one
school
site.
So
I
think
it's
good
that
you
know
we're
we're
kind
of
getting
everybody
spread
out
throughout
the
city,
and
you
know
there's
good
things
that
come
about
it
as
well.
You
know
a
lot
of
positive
things,
instead
of
just
being
on
one
spot,
you
know
like
a
lot
of
large
cities.
K
Unfortunately,
in
the
past,
that's
what
they've
done
you
know
drive
through
certain
parts
of
chicago
illinois,
and
it's
like
okay,
you
see
that
it
doesn't
get
better,
so
it's
good
that
they
do
spread
it
out.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
was
a
good,
that
people
understood
why
that
recommendation
was
there.
C
N
J
I
just
wanted
to
make
one
quick
comment
about
the
the
question
about
the
historic
and
cultural
resources
and
then
the
arts
and
cultural
sections,
and
I
cut-
and
I
and
I
had
a
similar
comment
initially
when
we
were
starting
a
discussion
in
those
areas
that
maybe
they
should
be
put
together
and
why
were
they
separated
or
what
was
the
difference?
And
I
and
and
I'm
just
this
is
very
simplistic.
J
So
I-
and
so
I
may
be
completely
over
simplifying
this
explanation,
but
I
think
that
the
reason
that
they
were
separated
is
that
what
is
really
around
preserving
some
of
the
the
gems
that
are
out
there,
the
assets
that
we
have
that
are
both
historical
and
cultural
in
nature.
And
then
the
other
is
really
around
lifting
up
new
opportunities
for
all
arts
and
culture,
including
events
and
other
types
of
artistic
endeavors.
J
So
I
think
that
was
why
they
were
separated,
because
there
really
is
an
effort
around
preservation,
as
opposed
to
the
other
one
where
it's
more
about
you
know
developing
other
arts
and
cultural
experiences
for
our
city.
So
I
mean
super
over
simplifying
it,
but
that
was
sort
of
my
understanding
of
why
they
were
separated.
C
F
C
Creating
new
opportunities
and
the
other
one
is
looking
at
the
assets
that
we
have
and
finding
ways
to
preserve
them,
including-
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
this-
is
that
the
is
important
policy
recommendation
for
our
cultural,
historic
and
cultural
assets
is
to
create
a
new
historic
resources.
Commission,
and
I
think
that
would
be
most
important.
K
I
E
Absolutely
this
has
been
a
great
discussion
and
I
am
very
glad
you
got
through
all
eight
of
the
items
and
that
you
also
have
looked
at
the
other,
16
and
and
you've,
given
us
some
guidance
on
a
few
of
those
as
well.
So
this
has
been
a
very
productive
meeting
for
us
just
to
let
you
all
know
next
steps-
and
I
I
think
we've
talked
about
this
a
little
bit
we've.
C
I
won't
be
wearing
a
mask-
maybe
I
don't
know,
but
I
I
really
want
to
thank
you
david
and
and
place
works,
a
monumental
task
that
you're
undertaking
there
that
and
very
meaningful
to
all
of
us,
and
we
have
many
that
are
participating
in
this
and
making
good
progress.
We've
got
got
a
ways
to
go
that
we're
getting
there.
So
thanks
thanks
again
and
without
any
other
comments
from
no
planning
commission
reports
or
anything,
I
I
asked
for
a
motion
for
adjournment.