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From YouTube: April 20, 2021 Board of Public Works Meeting
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A
Okay,
one
second
and
it
looks
like
we're
live.
Let
me
switch
back
and
hit
record.
A
Okay,
so
we're
recording
and
we're
live,
and
I
think
we
can
go
ahead
and
get
started
and
claudia
do
you
want
me
to
that's
why
we're
going
live
here.
A
A
Time
is,
I
had,
I
had
youtube
on
in
the
background
and
that's
why
I
was
getting
the
echo
so
anyway.
Claudia
do
you
want
me
to
go
ahead
and
put
the
agenda
on
the
screen.
C
A
A
C
A
Yeah
we
do
have
a
couple
of
comments,
and
so
right
now
comments
come
come
to
us
in
written
format,
and
let
me
let
me
pull
those
up.
I
don't
know
if
you
can
see
these
or
I
can
just
read
them.
If
you
can't
see
them.
D
D
D
B
A
Do
you
want
me,
did
you
read
the
hector
chang
comment?
Do
you
want
me
to
read
that
again
or
just
post
it?
A
I
read
it.
Oh,
okay,
okay.
I've
got
one
more
for
a
related
comment
and
I
will
go
ahead
and
post
that
right
now
this
is
from
samantha
dean.
Can
you
all
see
that
am
I
sharing
screen
still
no.
A
Okay,
let
me
let
me
try
that
again,.
C
A
Okay,
I'll
go
ahead
and
read
this
hello
jonathan,
I'm
a
cornell
alum
who
used
to
live
on
the
300
block
of
oak
avenue
and
I
would
frequently
walk
home
along
fall.
Creek
drive
down
the
400
block
area
of
oak
avenue.
I
truly
support
the
construction
of
a
sidewalk
in
this
area
to
connect
the
sidewalks
from
lower
oak
avenue
to
fall,
creek
drive
having
a
sidewalk
in
that
area
would
be,
would
have
made
my
evening
locks
home
substantially
safer,
so
that
I
did
not
feel
like.
A
I
was
going
to
get
hit
by
a
car
from
behind
at
any
given
moment.
This
was
also
part
of
my
jogging
route,
and
the
flat
surface
of
the
sidewalk
would
have
been
a
nice
upgrade
from
the
rocky
parking
gravel
in
that
area.
Thanks
for
your
time,
that's
sam
dean-
and
I
believe
we
have
one
other
comment.
A
Because
I'm
requesting
that
the
city
find
some
way
to
regulate
wheeled
transportation
devices
on
the
primary
commons,
my
suggestion
either
really
ban
and
enforce
or
change
the
ordinance
make
bike
lanes
down
the
middle.
This
will
not
only
make
it
safer
in
the
middle
and
the
sides,
it
will
also
drive
possible
foot
traffic
choppers
to
the
stores.
A
Those
are
our
three
public
comments.
A
I
think
if
anybody
wants
to
respond
to
the
public,
this
is
the
time
to
do
it
and
if
not,
we
can
move
forward
with
the
meeting.
E
Last
last
saturday
was
the
west
hill
cleanup
and
we
got
a
lot
of
help
as
usual
from
dpw,
particularly
phil
davis,
who
supplied
the
heavy
duty
garbage
bags
and
is
going
to
pay
the
the
cost
at
the
county
transfer
station.
E
E
Secondly,
the
homeless
encampment
at
the
far
end
of
cherry
street
is
currently
abandoned
and
it
is
a
mess
to
say
the
least
and
mark
forbanic
and
and
mike
thorne,
and
I
went
down
there
and
had
a
good
look
around
and
it
it
looks
like
the
dpw
may
be
thinking
about
cleaning
that
site
up,
and
that
would
be
great.
It's
it's
a
big
job,
but
once
again,
dpw
is
is
doing
good
things
in
the
city.
So
thank
you.
A
Let
me
just
comment
on
that:
we're
sort
of
george
we're
standing
by
basically
to
clean
up,
I
think
dan
kogan
has
been
working
with
the
some
of
the
homeless
and
outreach
advocates
to
try
and
come
up
with
a
longer
term
solution
there.
A
So
I
told
dan
we're
we're
sort
of
standing
by
for
other
orders,
but
I
think
dan
wants
to
have
a
few
more
conversations
with
the
outreach
folks.
First.
A
I
think
we're
trying
to
get
the
advocates
and
outreach
and
the
homeless
population
to
we're
looking
for
ways
for
them
to
help
out,
so
that
it's
it's
not
always
on
dpw's
responsibility
to
clean
up
we're
more
than
happy
to
clean
up
it's
just
it's
discouraging
when
we
clean
up
and
then
it
gets
trashed
again
six
months
later.
So
I
think
those
are
the
discussions
on
how
to
keep
it
clean
once
it
has
been
cleaned
up,
got.
E
C
Okay,
okay
board
yeah.
F
I
have
another
liaison
for
sjc.
If
I
could.
F
Okay,
just
two
things,
one,
that's,
I
think
scott
mike
already
noted
before
the
meeting,
but
everyone
should
be
aware
of.
I
guess
the
top
blew
off
of
one
of
the
digesters
and
it
created.
There
are
a
couple
of
things
I
got.
That's
just
scott
can
elaborate
more
if
you
want
to,
but
I'm
sure,
but
we
have.
I
think
three
major
economic
issues
at
the
sjc
one
is
that
the
digester
the
boiler
need
to
be
replacing
and
what
was
the
third
thing?
Oh
maybe
there
was
only
the
two.
G
The
activated
sludge
blowers
blowers.
F
Right
that
was
it,
so
there's
basically
want
to
bring
the
attention
this
is
going
beyond.
My
understanding
is
going
to
be
on
the
regular
budgeting,
so
all
three
municipalities
there
may
be
they're
looking
into
different
ways
to
fund
it.
The
the
tank
and
the
blowers
are
kind
of
in
an
emergency
status,
because
if
the
blower,
the
other
blower,
goes
down,
we
got
a
major
major
problem
about.
We
can't
treat
treat
the
sludge.
F
The
boilers
are
have
been
on.
That's
been
passed
around
a
bit,
but
there's
a
major
investment
in
that
too,
and
then
the
tank
repairing
or
replacing
the
tank.
So
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
to
the
attention
of
the
board
in
this
city.
I
think
everybody's
really
aware
of
it.
The
other
thing
is
in
city
harbor,
they're,
going
into
phase
they're.
I
guess
they're
going
through
all
phases.
F
They
were
originally
going
to
do
phase
one
now,
they're
in
doing
phase
two
and
in
doing
phase
two,
the
fire
department,
tom
parsons,
is
required,
and
I
it's
a
second
emergency
access
to
city
harbor
and
the
proposed
one
of
the
proposals
or
the
ideas.
I
don't
even
know
if
it's
as
far
as
a
proposal
is
to
go
through
the
sjc
parking
lot
and
that's
getting
going
to
have
a
lot
of
resistance
from
the
other
members
of
the
sjc,
mostly
due
to
interfering
with
any
expansion.
F
So
there's
a
concern
that
it's
going
to
get
pushed
ahead.
My
understanding
is
city,
harbor
cannot
operate
and
that's
going
to
putting
up
their
thing
now
and
until
they
have
a
second
access
because
of
the
railroad
they
want
to
have
a
second
way
to
get
there
and
sjc
has
not
been
addre
officially
approached
about
that
and
I'm
just
letting
you
know,
there's
a
lot
of
resistance
from
the
other
municipalities
about
allowing
access
through
there.
So
I
don't
know
where
what
the
status
is
of
that.
That's
pretty
much
my
report.
There.
C
H
Hey
dave
has
regarding
the
equipment
operating
issues
at
the
plant,
had
the
feds
and
or
the
state
been
notified.
F
Oh
everybody's
been
notified,
all
the
appropriate
people
have
been
notified
and
we're
working
with
the
state
and
and
all
the
powers
that
be
all
the
oversights.
We're
well
are
well
aware
of
it
and
they're
giving
us
they
were
yeah
they're
just
working
well
together.
I
think.
H
Yeah,
no,
no
and-
and
I
I
wasn't
thinking
from
an
enforcement
perspective,
I
was
actually
thinking
because
I
figured
that
was
the
case
more
from
a
funding
perspective.
If
there's
emergency
funding,
that's
needed,
you
know
is:
has
there
been
any
discussions
about
how
to
you
know
whether
it's
I
mean
maybe
not
declaring
a
state
of
emergency,
because
it
doesn't
feel
like
that,
but
getting
to
a
point
where
the
city
doesn't
have
to
you
know
if
there's
we're.
F
Looking
at
all
alternatives,
one
diff
one
thing
that
happens:
if
it's
not
an
emergency,
we
have
a
major
thing.
You
have
to
put
a
proposal
together,
put
it
out
for
bid
revise
it
whatever,
and
that
takes
a
lot
of
time
if
we
have
an
emergency
status.
F
That's
at
the
last
meeting
and
and
again
scott
is
probably
much
more
on
top
of
this
than
I
am
that
there
are
shortcuts
we
can
make
there
are,
there
is
funding
possibly
out
there.
I
think
that's
all
being
looked
into
at
this
point.
Okay,
I
don't
have
any
answers
for
that.
I
would
yeah
so.
G
Nope,
that's
all
dave
dave
hit
the
nail
on
the
head.
There
is
some
emergency
funding
from
the
environmental
facilities
corporation
that
we're
preparing
an
application
for
sorry
about
that.
The
problem
is,
is
that
we
don't
yet
know
what
the
itemized
costs
are
going
to
be
for
the
repairs,
and
we
have
ghd
consultants
preparing
that
for
us
and
until
we
have
that
in
hand,
it's
difficult
to
put
applications
together
for
funding
and
to
really
declare
you
know.
We
feel
this
is
an
operational
emergency.
It's
not
a
life
and
in
safety.
H
G
So
you
know,
and
in
order
to
to
do
that,
you
know
we
do
have
a
contractor
on
site
working
on
a
new
grit
process
for
the
wastewater
plant.
He's
got
a
crane
he's
already
mobilized
and
we've
asked
him
to
prepare
a
repair
quote
for
us
as
well,
so
between
that
contractor
and
the
consultant,
we
should
have
a
pretty
good
handle
on
things
over
the
next
week
or
so.
I
Yeah,
just
a
quick
update
on
the
project
at
401,
east
state
street,
that's
the
gateway
property.
We
made
some
good
progress
in
the
planning
board
on
getting
fire
emergency
access
set
for
that.
So
the
project
looks
like
it's
moving
moving
smoothly
ahead.
There
was
an
issue
about
waterfront
access
and
a
couple
different
options
to
make
the
the
gorge
a
little
bit
more
accessible.
I
Two
proposals
had
been
some
kind
of
balcony
or
overlook,
or
a
trail
up
the
gorge.
I
actually
liked
the
balcony,
but
unfortunately,
tim
weighed
in
with
some
engineering
issues
that
were
really
hard
to
dispute,
and
so
because
of
those
engineering
issues,
it
looks
like
we're
going
to
go
the
direction
of
trail.
I
So
that's
just
starting
up
just
two
things
that
I
would
maybe
bring
up
that.
Maybe
this
board
might
want
to
weigh
in
at
some
point
is:
I
know
that
you
know
gorge.
Amenities
and
trails
are
an
ongoing
maintenance
difficulty.
You
know,
there's
a
winter
frost.
I
You
know,
freeze
thaw
cycle
that
causes
a
lot
of
damage,
and
so
we
need
to
think
about
long-term
maintenance
costs
and
then,
of
course,
there's
also
some
issues
with
people
going
in,
and
you
know
it's
obvious
if
you
go
in
there
right
now
that
there's
some
camping
and
other
kinds
of
activities
going
on
that,
we
might
want
to
think
about
how
to
how
to
control
so
just
put
that
in
front
of
the
board
as
an
ongoing
issue.
E
D
We
did
study
it.
I
don't
know
that
we
came
to
the
conclusion.
It
was
a
bad
idea
so
much
as
in
order
to
build
it
to
be
fully
accessible.
All
the
way
up
to
the
gorge
would
be
very
expensive
in
this
case,
in
working
with
the
development
project.
Here,
they're
not
really
going
to
extend
a
trail
like
all
the
way
up
to
the
wildflower
preserve
it's
just
into
the
woods
next
door
to
provide
some
access
down
by
the
creek.
D
It
seemed
like
the
real
interest
of
the
planning
board
was
getting
a
better
way
to
kind
of
engage
with
the
creek
area,
so
we're
exploring
that
with
them.
At
this
point,
we're
also
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
would
overlap
with
water
and
sewer's
interest
and
extending
a
water
main
up
through
there
to
get
to
the
columbia
street
bridge
to
loop
water
for
downtown.
E
G
and
it
just
seemed
like
the
thing
to
do.
You
know
so
it's
primarily
an
old
four
inch
cast
iron
main
that
loops
up
plain
street
to
clinton
over
to
fayette
and
then
back
down,
and
it's
been
there
way
too
long
and
so
we're
there
was
a
12
inch
main
that
was
in
the
100
and
200
blocks
that
was
installed
in
the
70s
and
the
water
services
were
never
transferred
over
to
that
12
inch
line
for
some
reason
from
the
four
inch.
G
So
that's
what
water
and
sewer
is
working
on
now,
they're,
also
working
from,
I
believe
it's
titus
from
the
west
working
east
to
replace
a
six
inch
and
some
four
inch
components
of
that
main
with
a
new
eight
inch
and
then
budget
permitting
we're
going
to
march
up
plane
to
replace
the
four
inch
that
runs
up
to
clinton
and
then
we're
going
to
put
some
crossover
connections
to
the
larger
diameter
12
that
runs
in
parallel.
G
G
So
it's
primarily
a
main
job
and
then
we'll
also
be
replacing
the
water
services
that
run
from
the
main
to
the
curb,
because
some
of
those
are
lead
and
an
old
galvanized.
So
so
that's
what
we'll
be
doing
over
the
next
month
or
so,
but
so
far
so
good.
I
hope.
C
D
Sure
we
have
one
big
project
in
in
construction
now
and
then
a
number
that
are
moving
getting
close,
so
the
retaining
wall
kind
of
next
to
the
old
history
center
is
still
progressing.
D
We
are
still
on
schedule
for
their
kind
of
july
or
august
completion
date
moving
along
there,
and
then
we
have
a
couple.
We
recently
awarded
the
casket
of
a
boathouse
renovation
project
to
bully
construction
out
of
auburn
so
that
we're
having
a
pre-construction
meeting
this
week,
so
they
should
be
getting
going
here
in
another
week
or
two.
D
D
The
other
big
one
that's
coming
at
us
is
not
a
city-sponsored
project,
but
you
may
have
seen
some
of
the
variable
message
signs
out
there
is.
The
state
will
be
rebuilding
the
bridge,
not
the
whole
bridge,
but
portions
of
the
bridge
of
the
route
13
bridge
over
six
mile
creek,
and
we
had
originally
thought
that
that
would
include
some
lane
closures
and
then
two
like
long
weekend,
full
bridge
closures.
D
Recently
like
today,
the
contractors
said
they
might
not
need
to
deal
with
any
full
closures
altogether.
So
we're
still
kind
of
working
out
the
exact
construction
details
tomorrow
they
will
start
doing
some
work
around
the
railings
and
under
the
bridge
on
painting,
but
we
shouldn't
see
any
impacts
on
traffic
for
a
little
while
so
lots
of
stuff
going
on.
D
A
C
A
Claudia,
I
will
mention
one
thing:
you
know
there's
been
talk
of
how
the
you
know
the
covered
relief
bill
is
going
to
affect
us,
because
there
will
be
some
money
to
municipalities
and
stuff.
We
understand
we're
getting
some
money,
but
I'm
not
quite
sure
how
much
or
when
or
what
it
can
be
used
for.
I
did
see
an
email
today
tim
about
the
unrestricted
funds
for
touring
routes.
I
don't
know
if
you
know
anything
about
that.
A
It
looked
like
a
chunk
of
money,
but
I'm
not
sure
what,
if
you
know
anything
more
about
it,
is
that,
like
additional
money
to
our
normal
chips,
budget.
D
I
don't
know
that
I
have
any
more
information
than
you
do
so
far,
but
it
looks
like
yes,
there'll
be
a
an
extra
amount
of
money
that
comes
to
us
that
we
can
just
use
on
state
numbered
routes.
I
asked
d.o.t
today
in
a
meeting
and
they
didn't
have
a
whole
lot
of
information
for
us
yet
either
so
dbd.
I
guess.
A
Yeah
so
money's
coming
we're
just
not
sure
how
much
and
when
so,
hopefully
we'll
have
more
to
report
at
the
next
meeting.
D
Yeah,
the
state
will
have
the
route
13
bridge
over
six
mile
creek
the
one
kind
of
close
to
wegmans
there
yeah
I
did,
I
meant
the
first
one
you
mentioned
is
the
it
will
be.
Our
sponsored
project
is
south
cayuga
street
over
six
mile
creek,
oh
south
cayuga,.
A
Let's
see,
I
didn't
put
that
on
there,
but
I
think
john
lacitra
john
is
now
the
right
time
for
you
to
do
your
sidewalk
presentation.
A
Or,
should
we
wait
until
we
get
down
into
the
sidewalk
issues?
I
think
item
7a
and
8a
should
be
fairly
quick.
We
can
take
care
of
those
and
then
get
into
the
sidewalk.
B
Yeah,
I'm
fine
following
the
order
of
the
agenda
mike
I've
got
a
powerpoint
I'll
take
control
if
that's
all
right
when
it's
my
time,
but
I'm
not
sure
if
you
want
to
open
the
public
hearing
officially
first
and
then
we'll
do
the
lead
agency
and
presentation.
A
Okay,
claudia,
I
would
recommend
we
just
go
ahead
and
do
7a
and
8a
and
just
kind
of
follow,
along
with
the
with
the
agenda.
If
that's
okay.
A
C
A
Okay,
hopefully
you
can
all
see
that
yeah
okay,
so
this
came
up.
This
is
sort
of
an
offshoot
of
the
mobile
vending
program
and
one
thing
that
the
mobile
vending
program
didn't
really
consider
at
the
time
was
ice.
Cream
trucks
and
dpw
has
sort
of
gotten
its
we're
sort
of
out
of
the
mobile
vending
business
now
and
the
clerk's
office
and
the
planning
department
has
sort
of
taken
over
these
duties.
A
Julie
holcomb
got
a
request
for
an
ice
cream
truck
and
between
julie,
and
I
we
couldn't
really
find
any
clear
policies
on
how
we
handled
that.
So
julie
had
come
up
with
this.
This
proposal
right
here
or
this.
This
resolution
that
you
see
in
front
of
us
that
makes
it
fairly
simple.
It
sets
the
seasonal
route
based
street
vending
permit
at
500,
plus
a
100
administrative
fee.
This
is
different
from
mobile
vending
trucks
who
typically
find
a
location
and
stick
with
that
location
and
vend
off
of
the
streets.
C
Now
is
this
for
them
just
sitting
instead
of
going
from
neighborhood
to
neighborhood,
or
is
this.
C
C
A
Yeah,
that
would
be
six
hundred
dollars
for
a
seasonal
permit
and
eleven
hundred
dollars
for
a
annual
permit.
A
I
I
would
think
so,
but
I
think
julie
was
wanting
to
cover
all
bases
here.
A
A
A
Ordinances,
but
I
would
have
to
go
back
and
look,
I
can't
say
for
sure,
and
I
think
that
the
the
outdoor
dining
permits
also
have
a
definition
of
seasonal.
So
I
I
can't
tell
you
what
those
are
right
now
so.
C
F
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
the
dates
or
the
months
in
there
in
the
resolution.
So
there's
no
question
sure
if
we
have
an
early
spring,
which
we
didn't
have
this
or
we
have
a
late
in
fall
and
they
want
to
keep
doing
it,
and
so
I
think
that
would
be
good
to
have
in
there.
A
C
So
you
want
to
delay
this
vote
until
the
next
meeting.
A
Yeah
we
can,
we
can
get
some
clarification
on
what
what
seasonal
means-
and
I
I
agree-
we
should
say
it's
april-
1st-
to
october
30th
or
whatever
those
dates
happen
to
be,
but
I
think
that
should
probably
be
included
in
the
resolution.
H
Mike
does
it
even
make
sense
to
have
a
seasonal
permit?
I
mean
it's.
I
think
vendors
are
going
to
self-select
to
the
months
that
make
sense
for
them
to
operate
in
which
will
be
seasonal,
but
I
mean
is
it?
Is
this
really
creating
more
work
for
the
city,
then?
Is
necessary
and
just
sort
of
have
it
set
up
with
an
annual
scenario?
And
then
maybe
just
you
know,
barring
emergency
snow
conditions,
they
can
do
it,
they
can
operate
themselves.
A
Yeah,
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
john:
let
me
tell
you
this:
this
kind
of
came
up
rather
quickly
because
we
had
somebody
who
wanted
a
permit
for
a
ice
cream
truck,
so
julie
didn't
know
how
to
handle
it.
We
and
we
didn't,
I
think,
julie,
charged
the
500,
but
I
said
we.
A
We
really
need
to
memorialize
this
somehow,
so
some
thought
went
into
it,
but
obviously
we're
hearing
questions
tonight
where
we
need
a
little
bit
more
clarification
on
this,
I'm
just
kind
of
giving
you
some
background
on
what
generated
this.
F
C
F
Another
option
would
be
just
saying
a
six-month
permit
and
a
yearly
annual
permit,
but
that
would
leave
flexibility
on
and
the
vendor
would
choose.
I
don't
know
if
that
would
create
more
administration
headaches
to
have
variables
like
that,
but
that's
another
option.
A
A
A
D
C
D
This
doesn't
give
any
exclusive
use
to
parking
areas
or
anything
like
that.
Right,
there's
no
reservation
for
locations.
You
just
drive
around
if
you
find
a
spot
you're
allowed
to
park
in
it,
for
whatever
the
rules
of
that
parking
spot
are,
but
then
you
have
to
move
on.
If
it's
a
two-hour
zone,
you
could
be
there
for
two
hours.
Otherwise,
there's
no
exclusive
use
rental
for
the
parking
right.
A
Right
and
I
think
that's
what
makes
this
different
than
the
mobile
food
vending
permit,
but
you
bring
up
another
point:
dude
you
know,
can
can
an
ice
cream
truck
just
park
itself
and
you
know
feed
a
meter
or
whatever
so,
okay,
that's!
This
is
good
feedback.
C
C
F
A
So
simple,
these
are
all
great
questions
and
then
I
keep
looking
back
and
saying
it's
an
ice
cream
truck.
So
do
you
want
to
get
super
complicated,
or
do
we
just
want
to
say
it's
a
500
6
month
fee?
If
you
want
to
operate
a
ice
cream
truck
in
the
city
I
can.
I
can
certainly
have
more
discussions
with
julie
about
this
and
and
others,
but
you
know
you're
bringing
up
good
points.
A
F
A
Yeah,
let
me
scroll
down
here,
so
this
is
a.
This
is
an
encroachment
and
I
think
what
I'll
do
is
I'll.
I
mean
it's
a
standard
encroachment.
I
think
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
pull
up
the
map,
because
that's
easier
for
us
to
take
a
look
at.
A
But
I
believe
what
so
this
we
we're
starting
to
get
a
number
of
these
and
I
think
during
real
estate
transactions,
real
estate
attorneys,
look
for
encroachments
and
things
like
that.
So
this
isn't
a
new
encroachment.
It's
it's
one,
that's
been
around
for
a
long
time,
but
in
order
to
clean
up
paperwork
for
sale,
this
is
coming
before
us
and
I
believe
the
encroachment,
if
you
can
see
my
cursor
there's
a
little
point
here
on
cascadilla
creek.
A
A
A
Scroll
back
to
the
resolution,
and
if
anyone
wants
to
see
the
map
again,
let
me
know
okay.
C
Resolve
that
the
board
of
public
works
hereby
grants
the
request
for
an
encroachment
at
104
lake
ave,
as
proposed
contingent
upon
the
execution
of
license
agreement
and
submission
of
the
required
application
form
and
fee
and
renewal
fees
for
any
subsequent
terms
and
proof
of
required
insurance
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
mayor
upon
consultation
with
the
superintendent
and
city
attorney,
is
hereby
authorized
to
execute
a
license
agreement.
C
Allowing
said
encroachment
revocable
upon
90
days,
written
notice
by
the
city
in
the
event
that
the
encroached
upon
city
property
is
required
for
any
city
purpose
and
containing
usual
terms
and
conditions,
including
those
specified
in
chapter
170
of
the
city
municipal
code,
so
moved
second
by
john
discussion,
all
those
in
favor.
I
have
a.
F
Question,
yes:
is
there
we're
not
asking
for,
like
a
re,
a
rental
of
the
city
property
here,
they're
just
going
to
do
the
regular
application
fees
and
stuff?
Is
that
how
we're
looking
at
this
or
you're?
Looking
at
this.
F
Right,
but
is
there
like,
I,
I
know
in
some
other
situations
we
said:
okay,
so
many
square
feet,
that's
so
much
per
year
or
something
like
that
are
we
just
allowing.
Is
that
what
we're
the
this
has
been
there
forever
and
it's
pretty
minor,
so
we're
just
kind
of
do
the
application
we
get
it
on
record
and
then
that's
the
end
of
it.
It
sounds
like
is
that
the
case.
A
A
I
think
that
we
just
we
don't
we
charge
them
the
application
fee,
but
don't
charge
them
tim.
Is
that
your
understanding
as
well.
D
Yeah
I
mean
the
board:
has
the
right
to
require
an
annual
fee
for
any
encroachment,
but
usually
when
it's
this
small,
we
just
say
it's
de
minimis
and
don't
charge
them.
It's
not
worth
the
paperwork
to
charge
them
ten
dollars
a
year,
whatever
our
fee
would
end
up
being
for
a
couple
feet
for
stairs
usually,
but
the
board
does
have
the
right
to
charge.
If
you
really
want
to.
C
C
All
right
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor.
F
C
C
A
Okay,
I
think
now
is
john
you'll-
have
to
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
I
think
now
is
when
we
probably
open
the
public
hearing.
C
B
A
B
Think
it
like
it's
still
beneficial
to
for
the
meeting
notes
and
for
us
to
vote
to
officially
open
and
then
close
the
public
hearing,
just
like
we
do
with
the
sid
annual
work
work
plan.
C
Are
those
in
favor
opening
for
public
meetings.
A
Now
let
me
just
let
me
do
something
to
my
screen
here.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
nobody's
requesting
to
come
in
that
I've
not
seen
I
don't.
I
don't
see
anybody
requesting
to
join
okay.
B
Yeah,
I
just
would
like
to
add
that
you
know
the
public
comments
that
were
read
begin.
The
name
from
hector
chang
and
samantha
dean
were
both
in
support
of
the
both
projects.
A
Okay,
so.
A
Yeah,
I
think
we
can
do
the
presentation
and
then
there's
a
couple
of
resolutions
that
need
to
be
voted
on
for
agency,
but
john
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you
and
I'm
not
sure
how
I
give
you
the
screen
to
share
your
presentation.
B
Yeah,
so
thank
you
all
for
letting
me
contend
and
I'll
try
to
make
this
as
brief
and
as
informative
as
possible.
Here,
georgia
was
saying
earlier
about
where
the
for
the
300
block
fall.
Creek
drive
wears
the
meats
and
bounds
of
the
project,
so
it
starts
at
highland
avenue
and
goes
up
to
thurston
avenue
the
area,
that's
in
green
and
the
area,
all
the
other
colors
on
the
map.
B
B
So
the
for
falconry
drive
in
2018
in
border
pub
bpw,
you
guys
in
common
council,
approved
design
funding
for
the
300
section
of
fall,
creek
drive,
and
that
was
based
upon
public
comments
during
the
outreach
portion
and
it
was
the
the
design
consulting
delta
engineering
was
given
the
task
of
saying
all
right,
which
side
of
the
street
would
you
think
sidewalk
is
best
on.
You
know,
obviously
an
ideal
world
you
put
sidewalk
everywhere.
B
B
B
So
this
I
was
out
there
last
week
before
the
snow
and
there
was
one
pedestrian
out
there
and
I
quickly
snapped
a
photo
of
it
of
the
guy
and
the
left-hand
side
and
it
spoke
to
the
property
owner
on
the
house
in
the
corner
and
his
name
was
robert
and
he
was
saying
how
just
these
droves
of
people
on
nice
warm
days
walking
in
the
street,
because
that's
the
only
option
and
there's
a
blind
curve
and
he's
supports
the
project
as
proposed.
B
And
then
some
details
about
the
proposed
plans
for
fall,
creek
drive.
This
proposes
1040
linear
feet
of
sidewalk,
800,
linear
feet
of
storm
pipes
and
nine
drainage
structures.
B
And
then
again,
the
southeast
side
was
proposed
because
eliminates
the
need
for
retaining
walls
and
sort
of
that
photo
on
the
top
right
kind
of
shows
how
the
embankment
is
up
high
and
retain
what
would
be
needed
as
well
as
well
as
by
keeping
on
this.
B
The
southeast
side,
for
this
90
degree
bend
curve
having
pedestrians
on
that
gorge
side
is
better
visibility
for
motorists
and
for
people,
and
then
you
also
actually
improve
the
view
shed
looking
in
the
gorge
by
having
people
on
the
side
where
they're
gonna
be
looking
over
to
see
the
the
view
as
well.
B
And
it
also
actually
maintains
the
on-street
parking
as
well,
and
additionally,
this
project
proposes
to
create
the
the
two-way
street
into
a
one-way
street
going
uphill.
So
the
the
current
amount
of
on-street
parking
is
maintained,
which
is
you
can't
always
say
about
projects?
That's
a
benefit
as
well,
and
I
was
actually
at
5.
30
today
presented
this
project
to
the
ilpc
ithaca
landmarks
preservation
committee,
and
they
gave
me
some
comments
as
well.
B
I
think
all
their
comments
were
related
to
the
current
w
beam
guide,
rail.
That's
there
all
right
and
then
I'll
just
go
to
the
the
400
block
of
oak
gav,
so
these
projects
are
presented
together
because
they've
been
on
the
to-do
list
together,
but
they
can
be
independently
constructed
and
and
the
300
block
fall.
Creek
drive
is
in
a
historic
district.
So
that's
also
why
they're
the
seeker
has
done.
B
Sega
resolution
for
elite
agencies
also
separate,
so
the
400
block
of
four
creek
drive
was
approved
for
design
funding
in
2015
and
the
its
meets
and
bounds
are
between
oneida
place
and
dryden
road
or
the
six-way
proposed
roundabout
intersection
there
at
oak
and
ithaca
road
and
the
sidewalk
improvement
district
also
runs
down
the
center
line
of
this
road.
B
The
it's
also
uncurved
on
other
sections,
there's
a
concrete
gutter
on
on
one
side,
but
it
it's
not
throughout,
and
the
proposed
plans
propose
for
240
linear
feet
in
sidewalk
improvement,
district
number,
two,
which
is
sort
of
that
existing
sidewalk
area
in
the
north
here
of
oneida
and
then
590
linear
feet.
That's
not
in
the
sidewalk
improvement
district.
B
B
Improvements
so
with
the
curb
and
drainage
improvements,
you're
also
kind
of
protecting
the
gorge
as
well,
because
you're
going
to
be
channeling,
stormwater
runoff
into
approved
trans
structures
and
outlets
as
well.
So
that's
kind
of
an
added
benefit
and
the
reason
why
it
was
chosen
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
versus
the
south
side
is
the
photo
on
the
top
right.
You
can
see
where
all
these
11
garages,
part
of
the
apartment
complex
and
having
the
sidewalk
alongside
that
is
where
there's
even
less
visibility
for
the
driver.
B
It
was
deemed
as
a
hazard
and
then
there's
also
rock
outcrops
and
maintenance,
lower
right
hand,
side.
You
would
need
a
retaining
wall
to
do
that
would
be
cost
prohibitive
for
construction,
so
an
existing
retaining
wall
is
well
there,
so
the
proposed
sidewalk.
Actually
both
these
projects
are
being
proposed
because
they
were
difficult
to
build.
B
So
if
I
go
to
the
final
slide
here
in
my
presentation,
I
think
you
I
showed
this
last
month
in
our
memo.
Kind
of
talking
about
the
costs
to
the
accessible
property
which
is
cornell
university,
owns
most
of
the
land
for
both
these
projects
and
whenever
you
build
curb
in
a
area
that
doesn't
have
curb.
B
The
current
city.
Coach
says
that
fifty
percent
can
be
billed
to
the
adjacent
property
owner,
which
is
cornell
and,
and
fifty
percent
goes
to
the
city.
So
that's
why
it
kind
of
shows
about
accessible
to
cornell
and
not
accessible,
and
the
stormwater
funds
is
a
benefit.
So
that's
why
it's
all
coming
out
of
the
city
costs
for
for
stormwater
and
the
term
of
construction.
Related
cost
is
kind
of
the
cost
for
mobilization
and
traffic
control.
B
J
B
About
how
they're
working
to
implement
other
pedestrian
safety,
so
this
goes
along
with
that
mission
statement
and
then
on
the
bottom
right
is
a
plug
for
the
completed
project
of
hector
street,
where
it
was
a,
I
think,
a
success
story
of
improving
pedestrian
safety.
B
F
David
good
question
on
the
fall:
creek
drive,
one
it's
on
the
south
side
set
so
along
the
gorge
is
where
the
sidewalk
is
going
to
be.
B
F
And
so
is
the
that
fence
that
was
put
up
in
the
retaining
wall?
Is
that
staying
intact?
So
we're
not
going
to
affect
that
or.
B
Yeah,
the
the
gorge
safety
fence-
yeah-
that's
not
going
to
be
altered
at
all.
F
C
They
george,
I'm
sorry.
E
B
Currently,
not
there's
no
pedestrian
safety.
Rail
proposed,
I
think,
there's
still
enough
clear
zone
on
the
back
side
of
the
sidewalk.
I
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
I
think
these
are.
These
are
really
two
great
projects
and
I
can't
it's
hard
to
imagine
better
places
to
invest
in
sidewalk
infrastructure.
So
you
know,
congratulations
and
thanks
for
this,
you
know
sometime
in
the
future.
It'll
also
be
great
if
we
could
look
at
the
infrastructure
on
cascadilla
gorge,
the
sidewalk
that
goes
up
and
down
that
gorge.
But
you
know
again,
these
are
high.
You
know
highly
high
density,
pedestrian
areas
on
a
gorge
and
you
know
close
to
campus.
D
I
just
wanted
to
also
chime
in
to
remind
you
that
we're
gonna
do
the
or
look
at
the
environmental
review
tonight,
but
ultimately,
the
action
in
front
of
the
board
will
be
one
to
order.
The
sidewalk
construction,
because
these
two
locations
for
new
sidewalk
are
not
in
sidewalk
districts.
So
this
is
the
old
old-fashioned,
uniform,
sidewalk
improvement,
but
not
all
of
those
costs
are
accessible
under
the
code.
So
the
second
action
the
board
will
have
will
be
to
recommend
the
common
council
to
fund
the
city
portions
of
the
project.
B
Right
those
actions
would
be
for
potentially
next
month.
Right
is
just
the
seeker
lead
agency
resolution,
environmental
view.
C
A
Okay,
so
so
you've
seen
the
cover
memo,
there's
also
a
lot
of
paperwork
that
came
in
the
agenda
on
the
environmental
review.
A
John,
I
don't
think
I
I
didn't
read
it
thoroughly,
but
I
didn't
I'd
scanned
it
and
didn't
see
any
issues
right.
It's
that
I
missed
and
you
want
to
address
them.
You
can
do
that.
B
A
So
I
think
the
the
first
voting
item
is
declare
lead
agency
for
300
fall
creek
and
we're
we're
doing
these
separately
correct
john,
so
that
we
can
keep
the
project
separate
okay,
so
you
can
scroll
down
to
the
resolves.
C
A
C
Resolve
that
the
city
of
ithaca
board
of
public
works
does
hereby
declare
itself
lead
agency
for
the
environmental
review
of
the
proposed
construction
of
the
300
fall
creek
drive
sidewalk
project
so
moves.
Second,
I
can
inside
marshall,.
D
C
Okay,
david.
F
Just
a
few
I
read
through
the
environmental
review,
a
couple
of
them
were
left
blank,
yes
and
those-
and
I
was
just
curious
about
that,
like
on
page
eight.
B
Yeah
dave,
that's
the
question.
Some
of
you
go
through
the
deep
new
york
state,
dec
environmental
conservation,
eaf
mapper,
it's
their
environmental
assessment
form
and
for
questions
that
don't
apply
to
a
project
this
scale
or
is
not
as
a
correct
habitat.
They
skip
over
some
questions.
So
I
think
that's
like
some
of
the
blanks
that
you're
looking
you're
describing.
B
And
then
it's
not,
I
signed
it
as
the
person
who
fill
out
the
form,
but
once
next
month,
if
it's
determined
to
be
a
negative
impact,
then
mike
thorne
would
sign
it.
You
know
if
the
board
determines
that:
okay,
that
was
jordan,
yeah.
C
D
While
mike
is
doing
that
I'll
just
remind
the
board
that
ultimately,
the
environmental
review
forms
really
kind
of
belong
to
the
board,
so
to
speak.
So
if
there
are
things
in
here
that
you
have
questions
as
the
lead
agency
or
you
disagree
with
which
I
kind
of
doubt,
but
just
in
case
you
do.
If
you
can,
let
us
know,
particularly
before
the
meeting
next
time
we
can
make
corrections
or
changes
or
edits
or
be
able
to
talk
with
you
about
that,
so
that
next
month,
you're
ready
to
vote
on
the
resolution
to
approve
the
forms.
D
D
A
So
this
is
the
second
one
very
s
it's
identical,
except
for
this
is
for
400
block
of
oak
avenue
and
I'll
scroll
down
to
the
resolve,
resolved.
B
I
don't
think
there's
any
other
or
the
others,
just
the
addendum
documents
to
review
from
last
month.
If
you
want
to
review
it,
just
as
backup
information.
A
Yeah,
I
I
included
it
all
in
case
anybody
wanted
to
refer
to
drawings
or
anything
like
that.
So,
john,
you
did
a
great
job
of
providing
information
to
the
board.
D
B
Yeah
george,
that's
a
good
question.
I
I
can
look
into
exactly
see
what
counts
they
are.
Are
you
both
interested
in
both
streets.
C
A
Next
item
on
the
agenda,
I'm
not
sure
what
to
I'm,
not
sure,
there's
an
action
for
the
board
other
than
discussion,
and
I
think
tim
is
probably
the
most
familiar
with
this
one
and
tim.
I
went
through
this
and
I
drove
by
the
house,
and
I
see
exactly
what
the
issue
is,
and
I
think
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
scroll
down
to
some
of
those
renderings.
A
That
kind
of
show
what
the
issue
is
sure
why
the
board
might
want
to
support
this,
and
you
tell
me
if,
if
there's
other
things
that
I
should
be
showing.
D
Okay,
so
we
got
a
request
for
a
new
driveway
curb
cut
on
cascadela
park.
Road
which,
as
you
may
be
familiar,
is
our
great
curvy
street
on
east
hill.
That
goes
along
the
north
side
of
the
cascadilla
creek
gorge.
D
Our
kind
of
rule
of
thumb
is
everybody
can
have
one
driveway,
not
a
big
deal,
but
in
this
case
there
are
kind
of
two
main
factors
I
think
that
are
bringing
having
us
bring
this
to
you
with
the
idea
that
this
could
be
back
for
a
vote
next
month.
One
is
that
they
are
proposing
to
have
two
stairs
in
the
public.
D
Sidewalk
itself,
so,
if
you're
walking
up
you
coming
up
the
hill
here,
you'd
walk
past,
the
driveway
there'd
be
a
set
of
stairs
that
would
go
up
to
the
left,
to
reach
up
to
their
house
and
then
there'd
be
two
steps
in
the
public
sidewalk,
which
is
very
uncommon
for
us.
That's
not
what
we
would
typically
ever
allow
the
kind
of
mitigating
factors,
though,
or
that
sidewalk
only
goes
up
to
one
more
property
above
them,
and
that
property
itself
only
has
stairs
that
reach
up
to
the
house
itself.
D
So
there's
kind
of
a
case
that
maybe
having
two
steps
in
the
sidewalk
in
this
location
are
not
a
really
bad
outcome,
and
I
think
staff
would
generally
be
okay
with
this.
If
the
board
was
the
second
one
was
our
first
reaction
to
their
request
to
have
a
15
foot
wide
driveway,
which
is
a
little
wider
than
what
we
would
typically
allow
our
general
residential
dimension
to
be
10
or
12
feet.
Something
on
that
order.
D
We've
since
gotten
clarification,
although
not
revised
drawings,
showing
that
that's
kind
of
the
biggest
thing
they
were
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
would
fit
compared
to
their
house,
the
slope
and
a
big
tree.
They
think
that
they
would
bring
that
back
down
and
it
would
be
more
like
12
feet
or
12
to
14
feet,
which
just
gives
them
enough
room
to
get
car
doors
to
open
and
have
room
for
garbage
cans
or
something
along
the
retaining
wall.
So
I
think
we'd
be
okay
if
they
can
bring
that
that
driveway
widening
down
a
little
bit.
D
D
You
know
the
only
other
factor.
Is
it
essentially
privatizes
one
on-street
public
parking
spot
as
they
get
a
you
know,
12
14
foot
wide
driveway,
that's
essentially
taking
out
one
parking
spots
for
the
space
and
puts
it
on
their
private
property.
But
again
our
kind
of
general
rule
of
thumb
is,
if
you
own
a
driveway
in
the
city.
Generally,
we
allow
one
driveway
for
property,
so
that's
kind
of
how
it
works.
So
maybe
I'll
stop
with
that
and
see
what
kind
of
questions
you
have
and
go
from.
C
C
A
A
And
I
think
there's
some
pictures
further
on,
but
it's
it's
obvious.
When
you
drive
the
street,
they
have
a
very
tall
curb
there.
I
believe
it's
over
12
inches
tall
there
yeah,
so
there's
there's
sort
of
a
dangerous
situation
that
exists.
I
mean
stairs,
bring
in
a
different
type
of
hazard,
but
or
maybe
not
hazard,
but
a
concern,
but
certainly
the
the
12
to
15
inch
high
curb
is
is
also
something
of
concern.
D
Yep
and
the
the
maintenance
winter
maintenance
for
that
sidewalk
would
still
be
on
the
adjacent
property
owner,
so
they'll
have
to
go
out
and
shuffle
and
salt
the
stairs
and
maintain
that
we
did
get
the
a
letter,
an
email
from
the
neighbor
just
up
the
hill.
That
did
say
that
they
would
not
object
to
this.
So
they
were.
I
guess
that
letter
letter's
also
going
to
the
bza
so
to
what
ex?
To
that
extent,
they
do
have
some
support
from
that
neighbor.
C
D
A
Yeah
I'm
going
to
scroll
down
a
bit
because
I
think
there's
some
photos.
Yeah,
here's
I'll,
try
and
blow
these
up,
but
I
think
that
bottom
photo.
A
A
H
H
Well,
I
mean
I
just
I'm
wondering
if
it's
I
mean
I
I
I
I
know
we're
not
supposed
to
design
these
things.
I
mean
I
you
know
in
in
in
practice.
I
don't
really
have
an
issue
with
I
mean
I
would
support
putting
a
driveway
there,
but
I'm
wondering
if
it's
in
the
right
place,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
better
place
for
it.
I
you
know
it's
a
tricky
it.
H
Actually
it's
a
tricky
site
and
it
reminds
me
of
a
house
on
366
just
up
the
road
for
me,
that
was
that
has
a
driveway
and
you
the
cars
actually
have
to
drive.
You
know
you
know,
rather
than
digging
deep,
you
know
kind
of
going
into
the
hillside,
the
cars
kind
of
drive
up
to
it.
I
I
it
would
be
ithaca
road,
I
think
inhs
rebuilt
it
and
sold
it,
but
it
was
more
just
thinking
thinking
through.
H
D
H
Yeah,
I
mean
that's
sort
of
where
I
was
driving,
because
if
it
feels
like
doing
the
two
steps
there,
especially
in
relationship
to
those
stairs
going
up
to
the
residence
is
just
I
don't
know,
seems
not
like
a
great
solution.
H
E
H
J
A
Pictures
and
then
we
have
the
sort
of
the
renderings.
D
H
I'm
wondering
if,
if
it
would
be
a
better
well
I
I
mean
it
may
be
a
question.
I
don't
know
why
they
would
put
it
probably
because
it
it
makes
sense
from
the
stairs
standpoint
going
up
to
the
house
where
you
would
want
to
put
the
stairs
there.
But
I
I
don't
know
why
not,
why
not
move
the
carport
downhill
to
the
other
side,
so
you
have
less
of
a
great.
E
G
Yeah
yeah
yeah
yeah,
because
the
city
owns
a
swath
just
to
the
west.
Of
that
you
know
all
the
way
down
and
that's
we
just
put
that
hydrant
in.
E
H
A
H
Can
understand
that
they
want
to
put
it
there,
but
I
yeah
this
is
I
just
I
I
think
it's
worth
asking
the
question
whether
or
not
they
they
it
makes
sense
from
a
site
layout
perspective
to
move
it
further
downhill.
Would
that
resolve
some
of
the
issues
it
might
create
an
additional
issue
for
them
in
terms
of
resolving
how
they
get
to
the
house
from
the
carport,
but.
H
Maybe
they
can
put
the
stairs
to
the
carport.
You
know
on
on
the
site,
as
opposed
to
going
right
down
to
the
sidewalk,
which
and
and
frankly
you
know
the
other
part
of
it
too.
Tim
like
I,
I
don't
know
how
others
feel
about
this,
but
I'd
be
more
inclined
to
give
them
a
little
extra
room
on
the
driveway
if
they
can
kind
of
accommodate
a
better
site
plan
from.
J
I
would
agree
with
that:
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
the
two
steps.
If
it
were
a
place
where
there
were
multiple
steps
already
in
the
sidewalk,
it
just
seems
odd
to
have
two
steps
crop
up.
D
Good
yeah,
that's
great!
That's
why
we
brought
this
to
you.
That's
exactly
why!
So
if
that
sounds
like
the
general
tenor
of
the
board,
is
not
interested
in
this
show
us
the
the
evaluation
of
the
analysis
that
you
did
on
moving
that
carport
and
try
to
eliminate
those
two
steps
in
the
public
sidewalk.
Let's
see
what
else
is
that
they've?
What
else
they've
done.
I
F
A
F
There
any
state
restrictions
as
far
as
putting
steps
in
the
sidewalk
or
ada
restrictions
involved
with
having
steps
there.
And
then
I
mean
we're.
D
Basically,
generally,
the
rule
is
no,
you
don't
put
steps
in
sidewalks
because
that
makes
it
inaccessible
for
somebody
in
a
wheelchair.
There
are
some.
You
know,
extenuating
circumstances
here
like
that.
Sidewalk
only
goes
to
one
more
property,
but
and
that
property
is
not
accessible
by
wheelchair
currently
also,
but
I
don't
have
any
problem
saying:
no,
you
stick
to
the
to
the
guidelines
of
no
steps
in
a
public
sidewalk.
D
D
That's
exactly
what
we
were
looking
for.
I
appreciate
the
feedback,
we'll
see
I'll,
get
back
to
them
and
see
what
else
they
can
produce
and
either
they'll,
hopefully
show
us
more
analysis
on
why
they're
really
stuck
on
this
site
and
we'll
be
back
to
see
if
you're
willing
to
entertain
that
or
they'll
come
up
with
a
different
proposal
altogether.
C
A
A
There's
a
resolution
for
water.
Let
me
scroll
down
to
that.
This
is
the
discussion
we
had
last
meeting.
A
I
will
say
that
this
case
did
go
to
ithaca
city
court
and
our
attorneys
filed
a
motion
to
dismiss
the
judge
granted
the
motion
to
dismiss
and
the
property
owner,
and
his
attorney
would
like
to
move
forward
with
the
full
article
78
and
take
this
to
the
next
step
up,
which
I
believe
is
the
supreme
court
in
new
york,
and
one
thing
that
we
need
to
do
is
sort
of
have
the
board
of
public
works
vote
on
this
particular
resolution.
A
So
I
think
that
sort
of
gets
the
ball
rolling
if,
if
the
owner
decides
to
take
this
further
along
in
the
court
system,.
C
A
Let
me
let
me
I
have
a
large
screen
at
home.
Everything
looks
the
right
size
to
me.
Okay,
is
that
easier
to
read.
C
But
I
need
you
to
roll
down.
Okay,
the
merits.
Okay,
I
couldn't
get
the
result
that
the
merits
of
owner's
appeal,
the
city
policy
and
code
provisions
and
the
owner's
appeal
comes
before
the
board
of
at
least
one
year
past
the
date
of
challenge
bills.
The
board
of
public
works
denies
the
appeal
of
the
property
owners
at
437
north
of
geneva
street
for
minimum
water
bills
incurred
prior
to
removal
of
the
water
meter
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
any
late
fees,
interest
and
or
other
penalties
be
applied.
C
C
E
A
A
And
I
thought
that
what
we
could
do
is
possibly
discuss
this
and
then
come
back
with
a
resolution
at
our
next
meeting,
but
I
believe
that
there
was
a
week
we
get
these
requests
occasionally
and
anyway,
the
the
the
person
appealing
this
is
has
given
us
the
information
and,
like
I
said,
I
think
it's
probably
a
discussion
and
then
once
we
get
a
if,
if
the
board
can
give
me
a
feel
for
how
we
want
to
write
this
resolution
for
next
month,
I'll
go
ahead
and
do
that.
F
F
Yeah,
I
think
I
guess
it's
my
decision,
but
I
think
I
have
to
recuse
from
this.
I
know
zoe
hare.
She
was
a
customer,
a
very
good
customer
and
a
wonderful
person,
but
I
don't
know
it
sounds
like.
Maybe
because
of
that
I
should
stay
out
of
this
one,
not
sure
how
other
people
feel,
but
that's
kind
of
what
I
I
think
we
had
an
excellent
relationship
but-
and
this
had
nothing
to
do
with
anything.
I
worked
on
also
for
her.
A
H
Typically,
that's
a
landlord's
responsibility,
correct,
okay,
and
so
she,
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly
so
she's,
basically
saying
I
don't
understand
what
the
whole
low
income
property.
What
that
why
that
matters
in
this
case
the
if,
if
she's
the
landlord
she's
responsible
for
fixing
the
toilets
or
if
it's
a
leaky
toilet
right,
so
I
guess
what
I
don't
under
mike.
Can
you
scroll
down
what
what's
the
extenuating
circumstances
here
that
that.
A
I
think
the
extenuating
circumstances
she
acknowledges
in
the
writer
that
the
city
had
sent
leak
letters,
but
I
think
there's
been
a
dissolution
or
a
separation,
some
personal
things
that
went
on.
Oh
okay,
yes,
sort
of
surprised
by
these
bills
and
is
going
to
have
difficulty
paying
that
I
got
it.
C
C
F
I
even
though
I
recuse
I
could
clarify
that
for
you.
If
you'd
like.
F
She
basically
she
she
split
up.
She
had
a
divorce
and
her
husband's
side
of
things
took
care
of
everything
and
just
let
it
ride
she
got
in
their
settlement.
She
got
these
buildings
and
then
suddenly
disappeared.
So,
okay,
he
was
not
involved
with
the
initially,
but
then
they
split
up
and
split.
That
was
part
of
their
settlement.
That
was
my
understanding
and
and
that's
when
she
became
aware
of
this,
he
kind
of
dumped
these
bills
on
her.
Basically.
H
A
Well,
I
I
had
discussed
it
before,
and
so
I
I
mentioned
that
on
the
phone
that
typically,
this
is
what
the
board
can
do.
A
I
think
the
board's
been
pretty
consistent
on
whatever
goes
through
the
meter
gets
built,
and
I
I
want
to
say
that
we
had
a
board
member
that
also
had
a
leak
at
one
point,
mr
goldsmith,
who
also
recognized
it
needs
to
be
paid.
However,
I
you
know,
I
am
sympathetic
to
a
large,
unexpected
bill,
but
we
we
do
get
these
quite
often
or
a
couple
times
a
year
it
it
seems
like
and
usually
that's
what
we
do
is
we
work
out
something
a
payment
plan
with
the
chamberlain's
office.
A
J
I
have
a
I
don't
know
if
it's
a
question
a
comment
statement.
I
typically
agree
that
that's
what
should
happen
is
that
we
should
you
know,
remove
late
fees
and
offer
payment
plans.
The
one
the
one
piece
that's
making
me
rethink
this
one
is
the
idea
of
it
being
a
property.
That's
that
serves
low-income
residents,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
something
that's
sort
of
deeded
to
the
house
or
if
that's
a
population
that
they
just
like
to
work
with.
J
I
don't
know
how,
if
or
how
that
should
play
a
role
in
our
decision,
but
it
strikes
me
as
something
that
very
well
could
play
a
role
in
our
decision.
I
don't
know
if
it
ever
did
before
I
was
on
the
board.
It
hasn't.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
that
any
of
the
the
disputed
bills
that
I've
seen
since
I've
been
on
the
board
have
have
been
from
low
income
properties,
so
I'd
be
interested
in
hearing
other
board
members
opinions
or
thoughts
on
whether
or
not
that
should
influence
our
discussion.
G
I'll
give
you
an
example
that
just
happened
recently
that
there
was
a
low-income
property
on.
I
think
it
was
adams
or
1st
street,
maybe
that
the
resident
had
been
in
medical
care
and
not
in
the
building.
So
there
was
a
landlord
that
was
watching
the
house
and
the
meter
was
leaking
into
the
basement
because
it
had
frozen
and
nobody
knew
and
the
landlord
is
understands
that
that's
an
accident
that
has
to
be
paid
for
and
they're
just
going
ahead
and
gonna
they're
gonna
pay
it,
and
you
know,
and
many
other
examples
like
this.
G
You
know
if
we're
in
the
precedent
of
waving
every
buddy
that
comes
along
that
you
know
I
I
understand
I
mean
I,
I
wouldn't
want
a
bill
like
this
either
you
know
it's
it's
it's
nothing.
You
want
to
see
and
it's
unfortunate
that
the
the
landlord
did
not
see
the
leak
letters
come
through,
but
you
know
that's.
G
The
majority
of
the
rate
payers
are
going
to
absorb
this,
this
unfortunate
circumstance.
G
So
I
don't
know
it's
just
you
know
it's
it's
hard
and
these
these
cases
come
along
a
lot.
Actually,
you
know,
and
and
most
people
will
pay
them
most
people
will
go
to
the
chamberlain
for
a
payment
plan
and
don't
even
present
it
to
the
board.
Even
though
you
know
we
will
tell
them
up
front,
you
know
these
are
this?
Is
your
recourse
you
can?
G
You
can
pay
it?
You
can
go
to
chambers
chamberlain's
office
to
have
a
payment
plan
put
forward
or
you
can
approach
the
board
and
see
if
they'll
appeal
it,
but
and
that's
where
we
are
now
and
a
couple
months
ago
we
were
trying
to
get
away
from
these
kind
of
things.
I
guess.
H
A
I
H
J
G
Well,
there
we
have
35
000
people
in
the
city
and
we
have
two
meter
decks
and,
and
that's
kind
of
it,
and
actually
you
know
if
you
look
at
automatic
meter
reading
they
get
these
responses
pretty
quickly,
as
opposed
to
the
old
days
where
they'd
have
to
actually
go
through
each
quadrant
and
take
each
meter
reading
by
hand
and
they'd
get
out
there.
Maybe
once
a
quarter,
if
you're
lucky
they'd
write
it
down,
they'd
get
back,
there's
no
software.
That
was
tracking
unusual
increases
in
flow
and
that's
all
changed.
G
And
now
this
is
all
software
algorithms,
and
if
that,
so,
if
the
flow
rate
goes
up,
I
think
it's
ten
percent.
It
automatically
tells
the
meter
text
to
issue
a
leak
notice,
or
at
least
so.
J
Appreciate
that-
and
I
understand
the
leak
letters
is,
you
know
as
a
service
that
we
don't
need
to
do
to
provide,
but
in
being
that
we're
updating
technology.
We
have
software
doing
this
and
it's
somewhat
automated
we'd
think
we
could
link
it
to
an
email
address
rather
than
like
a
handwritten
posted
letter.
G
Yeah,
I
guess
it's
like
I
guess
it's
like
I.
I
certainly
see
your
point
I
mean
we'd
have
to
we'd,
have
to
shift
sop
in
the
office
a
little
bit.
You
know
and
and
it's
a
little
like,
what's
the
911,
the
robocall
thing
that
the
city's
doing
now.
G
Swift911,
I
don't
know
how
many
people
have
signed
up
for
that,
but
you
know
I'm
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna
just
say
you
know
one
of
out
of
every
two
people
is
willing
to
give
their
email
address
and
their
phone
number
for
something
like
that,
and-
and
I
suspect
it's
gonna-
be
the
same
thing,
although
we're
a
little
different
because
we
certainly
have
their
home
address,
but
we
don't
necessarily
have
their
email
address
or
a
text
texting
number,
but
no,
your
your
point's
well
taken,
I
mean
there's.
H
E
H
A
G
Got
that
too,
so
you
know,
I
guess:
where
does
it
stop?
You
know
we
can't.
We
can't
raise
a
red
flag
for
everybody
we'd
like
to
we
don't
have
the
staff
time
to
do
it,
but
I
think
yeah
I
mean
I
think,
that's
it's
a
great
idea,
marshall.
Like
I
don't
know,
I
mean
we
can
certainly
explore
that
and
see
if
there
is
maybe
another
trigger
in
the
database
for
another
outlet.
I
mean
everybody's
using
electronic
form
of
communication
now
and
snail
mail's
pretty.
E
E
G
No,
it's
not
a
derailment
at
all.
You
know.
I
guess
I
guess
the
point
here
is
that
multiple
leak
letters
went
out.
You
know
so
if
one
of
them
intercepted,
maybe
the
bill
would
be
half
you
know,
and
so
we
just,
I
guess
my
point,
is
we
can't
you
know
we
can't
ensure
100
notification
in
every
situation.
You
know.
C
A
The
thing
we're
gonna
have
to
look
at
scott
is:
do
we
have
the
capability
to
give
that
real-time
monitoring
you
know
and
and
that's
that's
something
that
I'm
not
sure
we
even
have
that
capability?
A
G
Well,
yeah,
there's
a
there's.
This
there's
a
substantial
delay
right,
so
you
know
the
car
goes
around
it
automatic
meter
reads
once
a
quarter:
let's
say
you
get
the
data
it's
plugged
into
the
software.
The
software
notes
an
increase
in
flow
software
flags,
the
increase
in
flow.
But,
quite
frankly,
I
need
to
check
to
see
whether
that's
the
point
it
notifies
of
a
leak
or
it's
the
second
go-around,
because
the
you
know
it's
like
anything
else,
the
more
data
you
have,
the
more
accurate
this
kind
of
stuff
becomes.
G
So
if
like
mike
is
saying
you
get
a
blip
because
you
decide
to
order
a
garden
for
a
month.
I'm
not
sure
that's
enough
to
trigger
the
system,
you
know,
but
the
next
quarter,
maybe
that
that
disparity
is
that
much
greater
and
that's
when
it
kicks
in.
So
that's
something
that
I
would
need
to
research
a
little
bit
to
see
what
that
delay
actually
is.
A
Yeah,
but
not
to
not
to
go
too
far
off
track
you
sort
of
have
to
these
are
things
that
we
can
look
at.
These
are
things
that
will
probably
cost
some
money
and
then
we'll
have
to
analyze
and
bring
back
to
the
board.
But
in
this
particular
case
leak
letters
were
sent,
they
were
received,
but
they
were
received
and-
and
there
was
a
personal
situation
that
was
it
sounds
like
it
was
out
of
her
control,
but
also
certainly
out
of
our
control.
A
I
think
you
know
I
would
like
to
be
able
to
come
back
with
a
resolution
next
month,
and
you
know
with
some
sort
of
clarity
on
this,
and
I
you
know
I
can
talk
to
the
chamberlain's
office
and
find
out
what
type
of
payment
you
know
how
how
much
they
can
spread
out
payments,
but
until
then
I
I
think
we're
starting
to
open
ourselves
up
in
ways
that
we
might
not
want
to
the
board's
been
pretty
consistent
on
these
and
I
think,
there's
some
value
in
that
consistency.
C
So
bring
this
back
next
month
for
a
vote
resolution
on
it.
I'm
for
the
payment
plan-
I'm
you
know,
I
think,
if
we,
if
we
can
spread
it
out,
to
make
it
easy
for
her
to
pay
it
because
I
know
we're
in
the
middle
of
pandemic
and
people
can't
pay
rents
and
and
and
stuff.
So
if
we
could
just
spread
it
out
a
little
bit
for
maybe
that
would
be
helpful.