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From YouTube: March 16, 2021 Board of Public Works Meeting
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C
Okay,
folks,
I
think
we're
live
on
youtube,
or
at
least
it
says,
we're
live
on
youtube
and
it
looks
like
seven.
I.
B
C
C
D
C
That
was
very
strange.
I
was
getting
a
youtube
video
of
30
seconds
ago
playing
back
on
my
screen.
Everything
that
we
had
just
talked
about
so.
C
Okay,
maybe
I
had
hit
the
youtube
channel
by
accident,
so,
okay,
so
anyway,
I
think
we're
good.
Now
let
me.
C
Okay,
all
right
are
we
all
in
real
time,
give
me
a
thumbs
up
real
time.
Okay,
good
all
right.
So
let
me
I'm
going
to
go
ahead
and
start
the
meeting
and
then
I'll
share
the
screen.
So
as
of
right
now,
we're
live
and
right
now
we're
recording.
C
C
C
C
Right,
I
think
we're
good
to
go
here.
Actually
we
should
be,
we
should
be
live
and
we
should
be
recording
right
now.
Okay,.
B
Great,
so
thank
you
so
seeing
no
public
comment
we'll
go
right
to
reports.
The
report
of
council
liaison.
C
Oh
wait
hold
on,
we
do
have.
One
item
was
added
to
the
agenda
at
the
last
minute.
It
will
be
item
10a.
This
is
for
a
loading
zone
on
corn
street
and
when
we'll
get
to
that
I'll
pull
up
the
page
so
that
you
can
read
the
proposed
resolution.
Thank
you.
B
A
B
Board
liaisons
board
liaisons.
Sorry,
george,
yes,
gary.
D
Yeah,
just
one
item:
we've
been
talking
on
the
planning
board,
with
the
applicants
who
are
proposing
the
new
building
back
behind
gateway,
plaza
along
six
mile
creek
and
there's
just
been
a
lot
of
discussion
back
and
forth
about
some
kind
of
balcony,
or
maybe
a
trail
head
and
different
options
that
would
be
intended
to
bring
the
project
closer
to
the
water
and
the
board.
Sorry,
the
planning
board
has
requested
if
anybody
from
the
department
of
public
works
could
come
to
the
meeting
next
tuesday.
D
That
may
have
already
happened,
but
it
would
be
really
helpful
why
we
discuss
the
various
options
if
someone
from
public
works
could
be
there.
Just
by
analogy.
We
also
had
an
issue
with
fire
and
last
month
chief
parsons
was
able
to
join
us
and
it
really
really
helped
to
have
the
chief
there
with
the
applicant
and
with
our
board,
so
we
could
resolve
it
without
you
know
doing
telephone.
So
that's
that's
all.
I
have.
B
Thank
you.
Yes,
george.
A
That's
coming
from
a
neighbor
on
gile
street
up
above
the
gully
they're
saying
that
over
the
years
when
that
business
back
there
was
a
a
printing
press-
and
that's
I
don't
know
what
it's
actually
used
for
now,
but
they
were
thinking
that
some
of
the
soils
there
might
be
contaminated
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
been
part
of
the
discussion
at
the
planning
board,
are
there
going
to
be
soil
tests
and
that
type
of
thing.
D
That's
that's
I.
I
can't
speak
that
immediately,
but
contamination
is
on
the
standard
list
for
the
environmental
review.
I
don't
think
we're
quite
there
yet,
but
when
we
get
to
that,
I
think
that's,
that's
a
standard.
You
know
item
so
I'll
make
sure
that
gets
flagged.
E
I
can't
imagine
they
didn't
do
a
phase
two
at
some
point
for
the
first
redevelopment,
there's
got
to
be
something
that
exists.
That
was
that's
been
required
for
decades
now,.
B
Too,
okay.
Well,
thank
you.
Thanks
eric
we'll
move
right
on
to
8a,
which
is
resolution
for
the
city
center
encroachment
license
so
they've
made
an
application
and
maybe
I'll
hand
it
over
to
tim.
They've
made
an
application
for
the
audit.
They
encroached
three
and
a
half
feet
into
city
right-of-way,.
F
To
do
administratively,
the
two
major
portions
that
are
encroaching
are
the
canopy
that
are
at
the
corner
of
the
building,
comes
just
over
the
property
line
by
three
and
a
half
feet,
and
then
the
project
also
wanted
to
have
a
couple
bollards
around
that
radii
at
the
corner
also
and
the
city
weird
public
works
was
okay
with
the
idea
of
them
installing
them
out
there,
but
we
didn't
really
want
the
ownership
and
maintenance
of
them
in
case
they
get
knocked
down
or
anything
like
that.
So
they've
been
included
in
the
encroachment
agreement
as
well.
C
Yeah
tim,
I
think,
you're,
correct
and
and
what
you
see
or
what
you're
hopefully
seeing
on
the
shared
screen
is
the
location
where
the
awning
is.
If
there
is
a
dimension
there,
that
shows
three
foot
six
and,
as
tim
said,
that's
six
inches
over
what
we
what
we
can
approve
administratively,
then
it
also
shows
the
location
of
the
bollards
there
in.
B
Second,
by
rob.
Thank
you
any
discussion.
B
B
Do
you
mind
if
we
I
hate
to
do
it
to
you,
john,
but
I'm
wondering
to
send
the
off
chance
that
the
meeting
goes
later
than
seven
and
george
and
I
have
to
leave.
Would
it
be
okay
to
do
the
voting
items?
First,
one
is
the
environmental
review
for
ice
jams
and
then
the
proposed
golf
course
feeds,
because
if
we
lose
corn,
I
think
if
I
go,
we
want
to
form
anything
all
right.
B
Well,
hopefully,
well
we'll
see
how
these
voting
items
to
go
to
I
should
stop.
Making
predictions
there
was
about
me
was
10,
was
10a
micah
voting
on
him.
C
It
was,
it
could
be
a
voting
item.
Why
don't
we
do?
Why?
Don't
we
get
rid
of
this
ice
jam
thing?
It's
I
I
apologize
that
this
keeps
coming
back.
You
know
an
eye,
isn't
dotted
or
a
t
isn't
crossed.
Nothing
has
changed
since
we
first
presented
this
well
over
a
year
ago.
This
is
all
process
related,
and
I
think
we
voted
on
this.
C
B
G
C
Okay,
so
let's
see
do
you
want
to
do
why?
Don't
we
well
golf
course
fees?
I
think
it's
a
little
bit
more
urgent.
We
could
vote
on
it
tonight,
even
though
it
hasn't
really
been
discussed
at
board
of
public
works
yet,
but
the
golf
course
would
like
to
open
on
april
1st,
and
so
what
I
was
hoping
to
do
is
we
can
look
at
those
proposed
fees.
C
If
anybody
has
any
strong
feelings
about
it,
we
could
make
maybe
make
some
minor
changes
here
at
the
meeting
and
vote
on
it
or
we
can
just
vote
on
it
as
it
is.
If
that
sounds,
okay.
B
B
Thank
you
cj.
So
sorry,
george,
did
I
see
you
jumping
in.
C
You
can
see
the
screen.
George,
oh.
A
C
A
C
Yeah
so
mike
atticott
couldn't
be
here
tonight
he
did.
He
has
sent
several
emails
back
and
forth
with
myself
and
with
dan
kogan.
This
is
what
mike
would
like
to
see
we're
trying
to
reduce
the
number
of
categories,
so
we've
reduced
it
by
three
and
then
he's
just
been
doing
research
with
what
her
other
golf
course
is
charging.
What
does
he
think
is
going
to
bring
the
most
people
in
so
it's
too
bad.
He
couldn't
be
here
tonight.
I'm
sure
that
he
would
be.
C
If
you
had
questions
you
could
call
him
up
and
ask
him,
but
from
the
discussions
I've
had
with
him
everything
kind
of
makes
sense,
because
I
had
a
couple
questions
myself.
B
C
B
B
A
B
Yeah
any
any
truth
to
the
rumors.
It's
because
of
all
the
fair
ways
that
tim
has
hacked
is
nine
iron,
or
is
that
not
yeah?
That's
a
good!
That's
a
good
point!
I'd
even
catch
that.
C
C
I
think,
dan
and
and
mike
had
a
long
discussion
about
city,
employee
rates
versus
city
resident
rates
and
mike
was
arguing
strongly
for
what
we're
seeing
here
right
now,.
B
Yeah
yeah
I'd
be
inclined
to
trust
mike
on
it
too,
though,
maybe
mike
thorne,
you
could
double
back
to
us
with
mike's
reasoning,
mike
atticot's
reasoning,.
C
A
J
Could
it
be
that
that
city,
employee
and
retired
city
employee
have
become
one
category?
J
C
Yeah,
I
couldn't
tell
you
I
was:
I
was
about
to
pull
up
the
email,
but
you'd
probably
see
all
my
emails
and
I
don't
think
they
went
into
that
depth.
So,
okay,
what
I
yeah!
That's
why?
What
I'd
like
to
do
is
just
go
back
with
these
proposals
mike.
If
he's
okay
with
them,
we
can
make
the
change.
I
can
email
it
to
everybody,
or
if
anybody
has
questions
you
can
email
mike
but
again
we're.
C
We
would
try
to
like
to
open
it
up
by
april
1st.
So.
C
Okay,
so
just
I
have
to
keep
pushing
us
too
much,
so
what
we
voted
on
is
the
rates
as
they
are
and
what
I'll
do
is
go
back
to
mike
catacott
and
see
if
he
can
provide
an
explanation
to
the
board
why
the
city,
employee
rate
went
up
by
150.
C
C
C
I
think
the
one
other
thing
that
I
I
would
like
to
get
everybody's,
maybe
feedback
on
before
we
go
into
discussion
of
sidewalks
and
the
loading
zone.
There's
this
appeal
of
the
water
and
sewer
bill
at
437
north
geneva,
and
this
one
there's
a
lot
of
information
in
the
package
on
it.
C
C
Most
of
the
backup
material
relates
to,
I
guess,
plaintiff's
argument
or
not
point
to
quite
disappointed
what
their
argument
is
for
the
city
court
and
then
we've
provided
a
lot
of
email,
communications
and
other
information.
C
Crin
is
here.
Corinne
is
familiar
with
this
scott,
of
course,
is
familiar
with
this,
but
we're
you
know
this
is
this
is
unusual,
but
it
goes
to
the
board
first
and
then
it
will
go
to
city
court.
C
Crim
has
filed
a
motion
to
dismiss
with
city
court
and
karen
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
city's
stance
is
that
this
doesn't
belong.
It's
in
city
court,
karen.
You
can
probably
explain
that
better
than
I
just
did.
I
Yeah,
so
this
was
filed
in
small
claims
court
and
essentially
what
the
request
and
the
claim
is,
is
for
relief
from
admit
from
a
city
decision
which
is
typically
handled
in
an
article
78
proceeding,
which
is
a
very
unique
creature
of
the
law
in
new
york
state,
and
so
those
can
only
be
just
be
handled
in
the
supreme
court,
which
is
in
new
york
state.
I
That's
the
the
lowest
trial
level
court,
so
so
the
motion
to
dismiss
is
just
to
say
that
the
the
jurisdiction
that
is
not
proper
and
so
that's
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
with
it.
But
at
the
same
time
you
know
board
of
public
works.
Has
discretion
over
this,
as
I
think
mike,
and
I
have
both
told
the
the
claimant
this
attorney-
and
this
is
that
staff
doesn't
really
have
discretion
to
there.
There
hasn't
been
anything,
that's
been
put
forward.
I
That
would
enable
staff
to
waive
the
bill
and
really
it's
a
discretionary
matter
for
board
of
public
works.
So
that's
why
it's
coming
to
you
folks,
and
you
know
you
have
a
variety
of
options,
but
I
think
that's
why
mike
wanted
to
just
kind
of
put
it
on
here
for
discussion.
C
Yeah
and
karen-
and
I
have
had
we've-
talked
about
this
quite
a
bit.
What
I
proposed
is
that
maybe
the
board
looks
at
this,
I
can.
I
can
quickly
go
through
what
their,
what
the
argument
is
from
the
property
owner's
side
and
let
you
know
why
we
disagree
with
that,
and
this
won't
be
a
voting
item
tonight.
C
But
I
would
like
to
know
which
way
the
board
would
like
to
lean
so
that
if
this
does
end
up
in
city
court,
we
at
least
have
a
decision,
or
at
least
some
direction
from
the
board
as
to
how
to
write
the
resolution
for
the
april
meeting,
and
that
way
we
won't
be
voting
on
it
tonight,
but
we'll
at
least
have
the
staff
will
at
least
have
direction
and
some
information
in
case
this
does
go
to
court
on
april
1st.
C
So
with
that
with
this
with
my
awkward
explanation
there,
this
this
cover
letter
here,
basically
what
the
argument
is
and
I'll
and
I'll
go
back
a
little
bit
in
time.
C
C
C
He
had
accumulated
a
few
of
these
bills,
contacted
water
and
sewer
water
and
sewer
said
you
have
to
make
a
request
to
remove
the
meter
in
order
to
stop
the
minimum
bills,
which
I
believe
he
did
at
some
point.
But
not
until
approximately-
and
this
is
this
is
a
hard
number
to
nail
down,
but
approximately
500
of
essentially
minimum
water
bills
are
what
is
in
dispute.
C
The
argument
is
that
they
didn't
have
any
connection
with
the
sewer
system
and
they
go
to
a
section
of
the
code.
C67.
C
C
C
So
scott
and
I
disagree
with
that
on
multiple
levels-
scott's
got
his
hand
raised
so
I'll.
Let
scott
take
over
so.
E
Traditionally,
the
public
part
of
the
water
and
sewer
service
is
the
section
that
goes
from
the
main
to
the
curb
of
the
dwelling,
we'll
call
it
a
dwelling
in
this
case,
since
it's
a
residence
we're
talking
about,
but
whether
it's
commercial
or
retail,
it's
basically
brought
to
the
property
line.
It
then
becomes
the
private
service
from
the
curb
into
the
house
and
the
water
usage.
E
The
consumption
is
monitored
using
a
water
meter
when
there's
a
request
for
a
new
service,
water
and
sewer
is
contacted
and
our
meter
division
goes
out.
They
install
a
water
meter
to
monitor
the
consumption
and
they
turn
the
water
onto
the
building.
E
The
occupant
then
receives
a
minimum
monthly
or
quarterly
I'm
in
watkins
when
we're
monthly
minimum
quarterly
bill.
Now,
what
does
that
bill
entail?
As
you're?
Probably
all
aware-
and
I
don't
have
the
total
budget
for
the
city,
water
and
sewer-
is
probably
about
a
third
of
the
lion's
share
of
the
city
budget
and
and
that
that
caps
out
about
nine
million
dollars
a
year,
so
that
is
the
infrastructure,
that's
necessary
to
treat
the
water
to
bring
to
your
tap.
E
It
goes
down
the
drain
and
then
it's
necessary
to
treat
that
water
before
it
goes
out
to
cayuga
lake.
It
includes
the
distribution
system
of
the
hundred
and
three
miles
of
water,
pipe
that
it's
that
the
water
is
distributed
in
the
sys
city
system,
83
miles
of
sewer
collection
system
necessary
to
bring
the
wastewater
down
to
the
treatment
plant.
It
goes
for
all
of
the
buildings,
the
75
employees
it
takes
to
operate
and
maintain
the
system
that
comprises
this
nine
million
dollars.
E
So
how
do
we
pay
for
this?
We
have
past
debt
service.
We
have
future
debt
service.
We
have
a
lot
of
costs
that
go
into
maintaining
clean
water
at
the
end
of
the
day.
Well,
there's
about
500
services
in
the
city
and
when
we
say
services,
we
we
say
they're,
water
and
sewer
services
of
those
5
500.
They
have
to
bear
the
burden
of
the
cost.
To
maintain
this
9
million
dollars
of
infrastructure.
That's
what
the
minimum
bill
is
for.
E
What
is
also
included
in
the
minimum
bill
is
about
9,
000
gallons
of
usage.
Every
quarter.
If
you
go
over
that,
we
charge
you
by
the
cubic
foot.
Basically,
but
whether
you
use
no
water
or
whether
you
use
9
000
gallons,
is
irrelevant,
you
still
pay
a
minimum
monthly
bill
for
the
infrastructure.
E
So
as
part
of
that
minimum
monthly
bill,
we
read
a
meter
to
determine
consumption
if
it's
over,
really,
if
it's
over
nine
thousand
gallons.
That's
why
we're
reading
the
meter
so
as
long
as
it
stays
under
the
nine
thousand
gallon
threshold
for
about
forty
percent
of
the
minimum
bill
is
attributed
to
sewer,
and
it's
assumed
basically
that
40
percent
of
your
water
consumption
is
goes
down
the
drain
and
that's
how
that's
how
we
divvy
that
up?
E
We
are
no
different
than
any
other
utility
in
this
capacity
now,
because
the
water
meter
is
essentially
an
open
account.
If
we
never
receive
word
from
the
occupant
that
they're
willing
to
disconnect
that
service,
therefore,
they
would
have
to
call
water
and
sewer.
The
meter
group
would
go
out
there
and
do
the
complete
opposite.
They
would
shut
the
water
off
and
they
would
pull
the
meter.
Then
they
close
your
account
and
notify
the
chamberlain
that
you're
no
longer
to
be
build.
A
minimum
rate
makes
sense.
Most
utilities
operate
in
this
capacity.
E
We
are
no
different.
The
best
I
could
come
up
with
is
you
know
you?
Could
you
could
use
nice
sag,
but
time
warner?
Cable
is
the
best
example.
You
want
to
watch
tv,
you
call
time
warner,
cable,
they
run
a
cable
to
your
house.
They
then
give
you
a
converter
box,
so
you
can
watch
tv
that
converter
box
is
essentially
a
meter.
You
can
watch
a
little
program.
You
can
watch
a
lot
of
programming.
E
You
can
watch
no
programming,
you
can
apply
for
a
building,
permit,
demolish
your
house
inside
and
stick
the
cable
box
in
a
closet.
As
long
as
you
don't
talk
to
time
warner,
cable,
they
give
you
a
minimum
monthly
bill
and
water
and
sewer
is
no
differently.
We
were
never
contacted
to
disconnect
the
service
and
pull
the
meter.
E
Therefore,
we
feel
that
the
whatever
the
charge
is
that
they're
asking
for
compensation.
The
500
is
an
entirely
valid
charge
to
the
occupant
for
failure
to
disconnect
the
service.
E
You
know,
I
would
ask
the
board
to
consider
the
fact
that,
because
the
occupant
failed
to
disconnect
the
service,
that
their
balance
of
burden
for
the
rate
structure
should
not
be
distributed
to
the
rest
of
the
ratepayers
who
do
have
active
water
services
and
and
really
that's
the
argument
at
this
point
and
that's.
Why
that
there,
it's
gonna
end
up
likely
going
to
court.
But
we
have
laws
and
legal
language
in
place
which
pretty
much
outlines.
How
you're
supposed
to
use
the
water
and
sewer
service.
C
I
just
want
to
add
one
thing
to
that:
the
argument
that
c67
it
supplies
here
because
the
building
that
has
been
gutted
doesn't
really
apply
and
I've.
Hopefully
you
can
see
my
highlight
there.
It
says
the
sewer
rents
are
hereby
levied
and
assessed
against
every
lot
parcel
of
land
building
or
premises
now
we're
here
after
having
any
connection
with
the
sewer
system.
C
If
you
know
that
service
is
there
it's
so
anyway,
I
don't
want
to.
I
don't
want
to
keep
going
on
and
on
about
this,
I
think
you
all
get
this.
B
Yeah-
and
I
think
it's
persuasive,
do
you
certainly
persuaded
me
and
scott
very
well
said
seeing
the
faces
of
important
members?
Maybe
they
want
to
speak
to
themselves,
but
I
think
I
mean
I
don't
think,
there's
a
better
way
to
put
it,
which
is
the
fee.
A
B
J
I
agree,
scott.
I
also
found
that
very
compelling
and
it's
impossible
to
have
known
of
the
city
that
they
didn't
want
the
right
to
turn
on
the
water
at
any
given
moment.
Despite
maybe
having
known
that
it
was
to
be
demolished.
I
I
don't
and
seeing
the
the
the
lawyer
reference
c67.
I
also
have
read
that
a
couple
times
now,
because
those
feel
like
incredibly
long
sentences,
and
so
they
take
a
lot
to
digest
as
a
lay
person.
That's
not
regular,
regularly,
reading
sort
of
legal
language,
but
it
doesn't.
J
It
doesn't
seem
to
support
the
case
in
my
opinion
that
that
the
minimum
shouldn't
have
been
applied
to
the
account.
C
So
I
guess
I
just
have
one
question
and-
and
this
is
kind
of
to
crin
crin-
are
we
okay
with
we've
got
a
sense
from
the
board
that
at
our
next
meeting,
we'll
put
together
a
resolution
that.
I
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
that
there's
a
couple
of
different
options
on
the
on
the
table
for
the
board,
especially
if
it's,
if
it's
leaning
towards
a
denial.
I
think
the
other
thing
to
note
is
it's
not
entirely
clear
what
these
bills
were
from,
but
it
looks
like
they
are
fairly
old
and-
and
so
you
know,
there's
also
the
the
timeliness
aspect
of
this.
I
So
I
think
that
it
could
just
be
a
denial
on
the
basis
of
what
scott
and
mike
have
laid
out,
or
it
could
also
be
a
the
the
board's
not
really
inclined
to
take
on
on
the
discretionary
review,
because
this
is
not
it's
not
timely.
This,
maybe
that's
throwing
a
wrench
in
it,
but
I'm
just
thinking
of
other
ways
of
handling
it
too
yeah.
I
think
that
would
be
either
way
would
be
fine.
C
I
think
from
the
emails
that
you
see,
we've
gotten
back
to
not
only
the
attorney
but
the
property
owner
fairly
quickly.
C
I
know
he
sent
the
first
letter
to
us
right
about
the
time
that
the
city
was
shutting
down
and
none
of
us
were
sure
if
we
were
coming
to
work
the
next
day
we
had
a
lot
of
things
going
on,
so
there's
a
possibility
that
that
initial
letter
got
lost
in
the
mail.
But
overall,
given
all
the
chaos,
I
think
we've
been
very
responsive
to
not
only
the
property
owner,
but
the
attorney.
B
C
Back
to
let's
see
we
can
do
the
loading
zone,
which
I
think
will
probably
be
fairly
quick.
C
F
K
K
B
H
C
Anyway,
this
is
this
one's
kind
of
brand
new.
It
came
in
right
about
just
after
I
had
published
the
the
agenda,
and
so
I
thought
I'd
bring
this
up.
I
think
it's
pretty
straightforward,
but
aaron.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
just
describe
where
this
is
and
what
it
is.
K
I'm
sure
I'd
be
happy
to
tim
unless
you
wanted
to
go
ahead
great,
were
you
going
to
put
it
up
mike.
K
K
Oh
yeah,
of
course,
can
you.
F
K
B
K
Now,
mike
thanks,
so
the
ceo
of
gimme
coffee
contacted
us
recently
with
concerns
about
not
being
able
to
receive
deliveries
and
inquired
if
it
would
be
possible
to
have
a
loading
zone
in
the
vicinity
of
their
business.
K
So
eric
hathaway,
the
director
of
transportation
and
parking-
and
I
discussed
with
the
ceo
of
give
me
coffee-
I
went
on
a
site
visit
and
scoped
it
out.
So
it's
a
pretty
straightforward
situation.
They
receive
deliveries
every
day
from
a
variety
of
vendors,
usually
with
small
cars,
but
they
receive
three
times
a
week,
deliveries
with
box
trucks,
and
it
was
it's
difficult
for
them
to
receive
deliveries
on
state
street.
So
this
location
is
state
street,
the
intersection
of
state
street
and
corn
street.
K
So
the
the
request
was
to
have
a
loading
zone
anywhere
in
that
area
and
there
is
a
two
hour:
non-metered
parking
area
on
corn
street,
just
north
of
state
street.
K
It's
on
the
side
of
430
west
state,
which
is
the
building
that
mama
goose
recently
vacated,
and
I
believe
that
building
is
going
to
be
developed
soon.
K
So
there
are
currently
three
non-metered
two-hour
parking
spots
there,
and
this
proposal
is
to
take
two
of
those
spots
and
make
a
loading
zone,
and
that's
really
all
there
is
to
it.
The
the
ceo
of
gimme
coffee
did
create
a
small
petition
and
went
to
businesses
on
that
on
the
400
and
500
block
and
asked
the
neighbors
if
they
would
also
be
interested
in
supporting
a
loading
zone
and
received
signatures
from
four
businesses.
K
That's
all
that
they
asked
actually
was
for
businesses,
because
the
other
businesses
in
the
area
have
closed
or
the
owners
were
not
around
to
to
discuss.
So
there
seems
to
be
support
from
other
business
owners
in
the
area.
K
F
I
got
him
here
if
y'all
I'm
shocked.
It's
like
a
foreign
car
service,
franco's
pizza,
a
diane
shop
and
quilter's
corners
were
the
four
that
she
was
connected
with.
F
So
a
couple
not
a
lot,
but
you
know
again.
We
didn't
really
ask
her
to
do
that
until
late
last
week,
so
she
only
had
a
little
bit
of
time.
You
know
and
if
the
board's
not
comfortable
with
it
and
wants
to
hear
from
more
businesses,
it's
not
a
problem.
I
mean
it's
not
a
super
urgent
thing
for
us.
It's
they're
they're,
the
ones
that
are
kind
of
positioning
for
it.
G
Yeah,
I
think
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I've
always
been
a
fan
of
loading
zones,
especially
now
that
you
know
our
dinners
are
arriving
by
uber
and
that
sort
of
thing
there's
going
to
be
a
considerable
number
of
apartments
developed
right
there.
So
I
think
a
loading
zone
will
also
serve
that
project
and
the
residents
that
are
going
to
be
in
that
building.
So
I'm
fully
in
support
of
it.
I
don't
think
it's
a
big
deal.
K
I
should
let
you
know
that
they
also
the
ceo
colleen.
She
also
wrote
to
me
and
said
the
businesses
of
mimi's
attic,
mama,
goose
tree
of
life,
wellness
and
mastercraft
have
all
closed
or
relocated.
So
the
reality
is
several
of
the
businesses
in
that
area
are
already
gone,
so
there
weren't
too
many
businesses
on
those
two
blocks
to
ask.
B
Yeah
rob's
point's
a
good
one
about
the
you
know
the
curb
wars.
Loading
zone
seems
to
be
the
utility
player
in
those
curve
wars
to
mix
my
metaphors
thoroughly.
B
With
me,
okay,
then
I'll,
consider
that
a
motion
by
cj
say
a
second
okay,
second
by
marshall,
all
those
in
favor
aye
and
that
carries
unanimously.
K
C
Okay,
well,
I
think,
before
cevante
owes
john
too
many
more
sandwiches.
H
A
project
that
started
in
2015
and
2018
regarding
the
400
block
of
oak,
as
well
as
the
300
block
of
fall
creek
avenue
during
the
normal
sidewalk
improvement
district
public
presentations.
H
The
few
residents
and
the
public,
then
a
few
phone
calls
before
that
we're
asking
for
a
new
sidewalk
to
be
installed
where
there
currently
isn't
any
so
the
sidewalk
improvement
district
boundary
is
in
the
middle
of
road,
so
we
didn't
really
know
which
side
of
the
street
to
put
it
on.
H
So
the
the
engineer
from
delta
also
gave
us
a
justification
letter
as
well.
That's
including
the
addendum
so.
C
H
Is
an
informal
overview
into
the
process
of
basically
your
receptivity
to
should
the
city
pursue
installing
this
new
sidewalk
and
the
reason
it's
slightly
different
is
because
the
recommendations
of
delta
engineers
was
actually
to
put
the
new
sidewalk
outside
the
sidewalk
improvement
district
boundaries.
H
But
basically
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
overall
questions
and
if
you
want
to
pursue
this
basically
next
month
at
the
border
palette
works.
We
do
a
public
forum
public
hearing,
I
probably
have
like
10
powerpoint
slides,
showing
the
meets
and
bounds
of
the
project,
and
I
could
probably
ask
a
community
member
or
bike,
walk
tompkins
for
a
lot
of
support
or
something,
but
basically,
I
think
the
next
page
mike
or
further
down.
H
It
also
shows
the
breakdown
cost
for
the,
because
it
goes
back
to
the
old
code
for
the
sidewalk
improvements
portion
of
the
new
sidewalk
would
be
100
accessible
to
cornell,
and
then
a
portion
of
the
new
curb
50
of
that
charge,
as
well
as
any
storm
water
kind
of
improvements
done
alongside
while
construction
activities
are
having
that
block.
H
It
makes
sense
to
pay
for
some
new
curb,
as
well
as
some
new
catch-based
inlets
and
stormwater
pipe
there's
potential.
There's
a
capital
project
or
stormwater
funds
would
also
go
into
the
work,
so
we
actually
started
this
project.
I
think
I
spoke
to
the
mayor
and
dan
cogan
right
before
coving,
like
many
things
in
life
and
then,
of
course,
other
things
happened
and
the
normal
construction
activities
happened.
So
I
kind
of
installed
on
this.
H
C
So
john,
at
the
end
of
actually
you
can
tell
me
this
keeps
scrolling
down,
but
I
remember
at
the
bottom
of
your
memo
you
so
here's
the
questions.
H
B
H
Does
talk
about
the
outline
as.
H
E
John,
we
can
have
this
conversation
offline,
but
water
and
sewer's
been
working
with
cornell
university
on
the
thurston
avenue
sewer
interceptor
improvement
project.
I
just
want
everybody
to
be
aware
that
you
know
I
don't
think
they've
nailed
down
a
construction
date
yet,
but
there's
segmentation
improvements
from
about
comstock
down
to
stewart,
depending
on
where
you
are
and
depending
on
which
segment
we're
talking
about,
but
it'll
also
involve
roughly
seven
sewer,
lateral
improvements
that
would
be
carried
into
the
lots.
E
So
just
being
aware
of
that
with
new
concrete,
we
don't
want
to
mess
that
up.
So
I
just
want
to
put
that
in
your
pocket
and
then
same
with
oak
ave,
water
and
sewers
talking
about
extending
the
newer
8-inch
main
that
we
installed
for
the
college
town
bagel
project
that
well
it's
not
college
town
bagel.
I
can't
remember
the
name
of
the
new
occupant,
but
right
at
the
circle
went
into
the
hundred
block
where
it
was
terminated
in
anticipation
of
the
work.
E
A
H
Okay,
but
and
of
course,
at
the
six
corners
traffic
circle,
I
would
devops.
I
was
actually
going
to
shorten
the
400
block
of
oak,
not
to
conflict
with
any
improvements
that
might
happen
with
that
as
well.
Okay,
but
yeah.
Thank
you.
Scott
collaboration's
always
important
and
we've
been
doing
a
good
amount
of
that
when
we
can
so
thanks
for
bringing
that
up,
though,.
B
Yeah
great,
so
so,
would
you
like
to
hear
the
board's
feelings
on
those
two
questions
which
is:
do
we
support
sidewalk
here
and
would
we
consider
a
capital
project
yeah.
H
Please
yeah.
Obviously
I
know
we
can't
vote
to
approve
a
cattle
project.
It
just
gets
general
hot,
cold
lukewarm.
You
know
the
city
should
pursue
this
for
in
terms
of
endorsing
public
funds.
For
that
and
and
to
sum
it
up,
it
would
be
asking
if
we
did
the
two
projects
and
we'd
have
to
do
each
seeker
separately
because
they're
ones
in
a
historic
district
there's
just
one.
H
That's
not
the
capital
projects,
for
both
of
them
combined
will
be
about
240
000
and
asking
cornell
to
pay
about
475
000
for
both
those
projects.
And
of
course
we
could
say
you
know
cornell
plan
to
pay
this
in
three
years
or
two
years.
You
know
it
doesn't
have
to
be
this
construction
season,
obviously,
to
get
the
paperwork
in
mind,
but
you
know
it
could
be
whatever
you
guys
deemed,
but
I
I
know
it's
definitely
a.
H
I
consider
a
high
pedestrian
used
area
so
close
to
the
pedestrian
bridge
in
the
fall
creek
area
and
right
near
six
corners,
and
you
know
it's
six
corners.
So
it's
amazing
that
we've
been
lucky
so
far
having
a
situation
where
people
have
to
walk
on
the
street.
Yeah.
B
Yeah
that
was
going
to
be
my
first
reaction
in
terms
of
life
safety,
but
also
just
usage,
it's
hard
to
imagine
a
place
in
the
city
that,
where
you'd
see
more
feet
moving
over
a
sidewalk
than
these
blocks,
especially
once
the
beer
and
that's
what
you
were
searching
for,
scott
was
it
kabir.
Is
the
new
tenant
they're
at
the
base
of
oak,
and
then
you
know
you
have
the
new
maplewood
up
the
street
and
east
hill
plaza.
B
F
In
large
part,
the
districts
were
drawn
to
exclude
cornell's
campus,
because
most
of
cornell
campus
has
sidewalk
that
cornell
owns
and
maintains,
and
the
city
wasn't
interested
in
including
all
of
that
in
the
sidewalk
districts.
At
the
time
we
had
to
choose
where
the
line
went,
and
it
went
down
the
middle
of
the
street
in
this
case,
so
part
of
it's
in
the
district
on
one
side.
The
other
side
is
the
old,
uniform,
sidewalk
improvement
assessment
program.
J
F
H
That
that
would
be
a
lot
of
new
investment,
for
you
know
I
think
district
two
currently
district
shoes
along
oak
avenue,
which
could
go
it
would
have
to
be
a
multi-year
probably
project
to
then
currently
the
district
2
comes
up
with
about
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
little
bit
over
that
to
spend
each
year
and
the.
If
I
go
up
the
next
page,
I
think
it
was
like
300
something
a
thousand
for
this
project
roll
up.
J
J
H
G
H
Yeah,
I
think
that
rob
that's
a
great
idea,
thanks
for
a
positive
and
a
very
obvious
question.
So
there
was
that
justification
letter
from
an
engineering
perspective,
saying
why
is
it
not
one
side
versus
the
other
and
there
is
topography
and
kind
of
geography?
H
There
are
reasons
why
we're
saying
to
put
it
on
their
side
of
the
of
the
road
right
now
and
I
think
during
the
public
hearing,
I
can
do
a
full
explanation
for
each
reason,
for
that
one
is
it's
a
gorge
and
there's
actually
a
building
on
on
oak
avenue.
That's
really
constricting.
H
With
garages
there
and
people
been
backing
out
and
actually
in
fall,
creek
drive
as
well
we're
proposing
to
do
it
on
the
north
side
of
the
street
to
accommodate
and
actually
turning
that
into
a
one-lane
road
as
well
and
actually
adding
five
parking
spots
which
never
happens
on
any
project,
we're
adding
parking
on
street
parking.
H
Even
so,
you
can't
always
say
that,
but
it
would
lessen
the
impacts
to
the
historical
district
by
by
making
that
a
fall,
creek
of
one-way
road
and
adding
to
the
north
side
of
the
street
versus
the
south
side,
and
then
it
would
have
more
landscaping
and,
I
think,
potentially
historic
impacts.
H
So
there
this
nice
delta
engineer,
we
just
said:
hey,
just
give
us
a
justification
letter
and
we
could
always
bring
them
back
in
to
help
further
explain
it.
But
yeah.
That's
a
good
point.
B
At
this
point,
george
and
I
actually
have
to
run
to
our
seven
o'clock
meeting,
but
the
board
can
continue
discussing
I'll,
just
drop
my
thoughts
before
I
go,
which
is
that
I
do
support
it.
I
think
it's
a
good
location
for
new
sidewalk.
I
think
that
is
a
you
know:
fair
level,
investment
for
how
often
that
sidewalk
would
be
used
and
I'd
support,
moving.
B
And
mike
you're
the
host
right,
so
you
might
run
into
a
problem
adjourning.
Actually
I
don't
think
you
will.
I
think
you
can
enjoy.
H
Okay,
see
you
george
yeah,
there's
any
other
comments
like
we
can
wrap
up
this
section
and
do
a
more
formal
presentation
I'll
try
to
keep
it
10
minutes
or
less.
Unless
there's
lots
of
public
comment
for
for
next
month.
H
Yeah,
I
would
you
know,
do
the
10
days
notice
and
I
guess
I
would
email
again
or
send
a
letter
to
the
gary
stewart
from
cornell
the
liaison
there
see
if
you
wanted
to
be
invited
as
well.
I
would
have
the
seekers
information
drawn
up
as
well
and
and.
F
As
a
reminder
for
the
uniform
sidewalk
improvement,
the
board
has
has
to
have
the
public
hearing
to
give
the
potentially
assessed
property
owner
an
opportunity
to
you
know,
state
their
case
and
whatever
reason
they
think
the
sidewalk
should
or
shouldn't
be
billed.
But
then,
ultimately,
the
board
also
needs
to
decide
how
the
sidewalk
should
build.
H
F
But
in
many
ways
it's
it's
the
same
way
that
we
did
the
uniform,
sidewalk
improvements
on
cornell
street,
oh
so
long
ago,
right
near
state
street
that
led
us
into
the
sidewalk
improvement
districts.
It's
just
been
a
long
time
since
we've
done
this
and
yes,
it's
a
different
property
owner
than
you
know
two
people,
but
it's
the
same
process.
So
we
can.
We
can
if
people
are
interested
in
doing
that,
we'll
get
the
process
started
and
lead
you
along
the
way.
C
Okay,
I
see
garrett
has
his
hand
raised.
D
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
add,
I
mean
I
think
this
is
a
really
important
project.
There's
a
lot
of
pedestrian
traffic.
There
I
mean
all
the
grad
students
and
maplewood
going
to
and
from
and
the
undergrads
in
college
town
and
I've
seen
a
lot
of
near
misses
because
the
intersection's
funky
cars
pulling
in
there
and
at
the
same
time
there
are
people
walking
in
the
middle
of
the
street.
So
I
think
this
is
really
really
important.
D
Two
things
I
point
out
is
first
of
all,
I
know
there's
been
talk
of
a
of
a
traffic
circle
there.
I
don't
know,
you
know
that's
gone
anywhere,
but
if
you
walk
up
that
street
oak
avenue
towards
the
intersection,
if
you
hang
a
left
heading
down
towards
hoy
road
you're
fine,
but
if
you
want
to
go
anywhere
else,
you
know
you
got
to
kind
of
play
a
game
of
chicken
to
get
across
that
or
to
get
across
that
road.
D
It's
hard,
I
mean,
there's
no
dedicated
crosswalk,
so
I
don't
know
if
the
crosswalk
situation
at
that
intersection
could
be
addressed
as
we
do
this
project
or
I
don't
know
if
the
circle
is
coming,
but
it's
it's
a
tough
place
for
pedestrians
to
cross,
despite
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
grad
students
cross
that
intersection
going
to
and
from
campus
second
thing
I
just
pointed
out
just
I
know
it's
a
block
away,
but
cornell
just
got
permission
from
the
planning
permit
from
sorry
authorization
from
the
planning
board
to
replace
the
poi
road
bridge,
and
I
know
they're
going
to
be
shutting
down
that
the
next
intersection
of
block
over
and
redoing
a
lot
of
that
infrastructure.
D
I've
asked
them
to
take
a
look
at
the
signage
if
you,
if
you
see
cars
coming
from
what
used
to
be
like
cornell
orchards
down
driving
towards
the
intersection
with
ethical
run,
poi
road,
you
know
that
cars
get
very
confused
as
to
who
has
to
stop
and
not
stop.
And
I've
asked
him
to
look
at
that.
So
you
know
if
you're
gonna
go
on,
you
know
a
block
away.
H
Bringing
up
those
good
points,
it's
good
that
erin
is
staying
on.
Then
our
transportation
idea.
F
Yeah
garrick.
Actually
I
appreciate
those
two.
We
are
proceeding
with
the
roundabout.
You
may
remember:
the
board
chose
that
over
the
traffic
signal
and
and
rearrangement
of
the
geometry
of
the
intersection
we're
currently
in
the
right-of-way
acquisition
phase
of
that
we
need
a
little
bit
of
property
on
two
of
the
corners
for
the
roundabout
and,
ultimately,
we'll
need
some
funding
for
it,
but
we
are
progressing
with
that
project.
C
C
Okay,
so
what
are
we
gonna
see
in
april?
I
guess
the
next
question.
C
C
I
think
we've
gone
through
the
list
in
not
the
right
order,
but
it
worked
for
us
tonight,
so
I
guess
well
actually,
cj
aren't
you
in
charge?