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A
A
A
C
Michael,
if
I
could
just
jump
in
quickly
sure
I
just
want
to
apologize
in
advance,
the
planning
board
and
the
bpw
tonight
are
meeting
simultaneously.
I
have
two
laptops
in
front
of
me
with
two
cameras
and
two
microphones
and
I'm
going
to
try
to
bounce
back
and
forth
across
the
two
meetings
as
best
I
can,
but
if
I
appear
not
to
be
paying
attention
or
distracted,
that's
why
I'll
just
I'll
just
do
the
best.
I
can.
B
A
D
A
A
Yeah,
so
what
I've
got
is
I've
got
two
public
comments.
I've
got
an
email
from
the
pruner
committee
related
to
one
of
the
comments
and
then
one
of
the
resolutions
related
to
the
ice
jam.
There
was
a
glitch
in
one
of
the
words
and
so
when
we
get
to
that
section,
I'll
pull
up
the
new
resolution,
the
corrected
resolution-
that's
okay,.
B
B
Thank
you.
Oh
I
see
here.
Please
read
verbatim
into
the
record
on
today.
December
15th
is
from
todd,
kurzweil
concerns
and
questions
about
the
rimland
wealth
child
ithacan
project
that
no
one
can
produce
a
site
plan
footprint
for
the
work
on
the
primary
commons.
As
writing
this
sunday
evening
december
13th.
Please
help
me
understand
how
this
is
a
good
thing
for
our
business.
Two
weeks
before
christmas,
before
we
received
no
notice
we've.
No,
no.
That.
A
B
I
guess
we
can.
We
could
talk
about
this
one
real
quickly,
so
this
is
actually,
of
course,
todd
is.
Maybe
for
those
who
don't
know
todd
is
his
wife
is
the
owner
of
sunny
days
lithica,
so
he's
talking
about
work
that
his
own
landlord
is
doing.
So
we
did
over
the
weekend
and
again
yesterday
now
tom
knight
and
some
of
the
planning
staff
tim
loke
also
got
back
to
him
with
answers
to
some
of
his
questions,
I'm
not
sure
if
public
answers
would
be
useful
or
tom
or
tim.
F
At
this
point,
I
think
the
main
concern
has
mostly
gone
away
to
the
extent
that
the
landlord
and
the
contractor
working
for
the
landlord
have
agreed
to
go
ahead
and
move
their
fencing
and
their
staging
area
like
underneath
the
colonnade
there
of
the
building.
So
it's
not
out
on
the
commons
anymore,
so
I
think
we're
kind
of
set
for
now
at
least.
G
Yeah
I've
been
involved
in
some
of
those
discussions
and
tim
you're
right.
There
are
going
to
be
some
times
having
talked
with
the
ross
child
building
owner
jeffrey
rimland,
when
the
fencing
will
need
to
be
pulled
back
out
specifically
when
the
facade
is
constructed
and
he's
made
a
commitment
to
deliver
that
space
to
the
college
to
build
out
their
new
physician
assistant
program
in
january.
G
B
B
So
a
large
number
of
neighbors
of
maple
grove
park
excited
about
the
idea
of
a
community
project
for
a
very
simple
old-fashioned
ice
skating
area
for
maple
grove
park
by
simply
shoveling
out
the
snow
from
a
central
area
of
the
park
and
filling
it
with
a
few
inches
of
water.
A
natural
skating
area
can
be
formed.
This
has
been
done
in
communities
around
the
world
for
hundreds
of
years.
The
only
maintenance
required
is
to
shovel
it
when
it
snows
in
the
spring.
The
ice
melts,
you
would
never
know.
It'd
been
there.
B
Maple
grove
park
is
a
hidden
gem
of
that
the
gun
is
a
perfect
location
for
the
skating
area,
as
it
is
perfectly
flat
with
a
large
open
area
in
the
warmer
seasons.
The
field
of
grass
is
perfect
for
all
kinds
of
sports
activities.
By
simply
adding
water,
we
can
make
it
a
perfect
area
for
a
safe,
socially
distanced
winter
sports
activity.
This
is
especially
important
during
the
pandemic,
when
opportunities
for
local,
safe,
social
and
recreational
activities
are
limited,
the
neighbors
are
enthusiastically
involuntary
to
set
it
up
and
take
care
of
it.
B
A
B
B
So
I
don't
know
if
this
counts
as
public
comment,
but
the
next
letter
is
from
the
parks,
the
printer
commission
hi
mike
jane
indicated.
She
spoke
to
you
about
a
proposal
from
a
bell
sherman
resident,
who
would
like
permission
to
set
up
a
temporary
skating
rink
at
maple
grove
park
parks
commission
met.
Last
evening.
We
discussed
the
idea
why
we
think
it's
great
to
have
our
parks
utilized
by
the
community.
We
think
proposal
is
not
fully
formed.
It
needs
more
time
for
development.
B
One
lingering
question
we
have
is
the
risk
and
liability
that
the
city
might
bear
in
case
this
in
this
case,
compared
to
some
other
activities
in
the
park
like
frisbee
or
pine
ball.
Maybe
the
risk
is
not
so
different
and
we
assume
the
city
is
insured
against
injury
claims,
though
this
involves
citizens
adding
infrastructure
and
a
minimum
of
frame
and
liner
and
water,
which
is
different
than
someone
bringing
a
frisbee
or
a
ball
to
planet
park.
B
The
infrastructure
needs
to
be
more
fully
planned
and,
given
our
erratic
weather,
simply
putting
water
over
snow
does
not
will
not
work.
Also,
we
have
not
tested
the
idea
of
a
rink
over
lawn
to
know
if
there
would
be
lawn
damage
requiring
the
city
staff
to
receive
the
lawn
there's.
Also
a
question
about
whether
water
released
from
the
rink
could
cause
damage
issues
for
neighbors.
So
I
think
this
is
a
great
idea
to
get
kids
outdoors
in
winter.
We
feel
this
project
needs
more
development.
B
We
think
it
would
require
an
acceptable
temporary
rink
design
approved
by
the
city
and
acceptable
locations,
given
that
winter
is
upon
us.
We
feel
that
there's
not
time
to
plan
for
this
for
2021.
On
top
of
that,
so
this
thing
is
still
in
place.
It
needs
to
be
observed
in
our
city
parks
per
the
health
department.
In
the
meantime,
the
ranking
cast
park
is
open
for
use,
encourage
families
take
advantage
of
that
resource
and.
G
B
B
Amenities
like
this
in
our
pocket,
neighborhood
parks
is
really
smart.
Actually,
I
think
we'd
be
surprised
by
how
many
more
people
will
use
it
and
just
having
the
locations
but
yeah.
For
all
of
those
reasons,
the
liability
doesn't
concern
me
as
much
as
the
drainage,
the
maintenance
and
yes,
even
the
weather.
I
mean
it
does
at
times
in
winter.
Here
get
above
32
degrees
I
swear
it
does
and
when
it
does,
it
must
get
pretty
wet
and
the
ice
would
then
get
pretty
sticky
flashy.
B
I
Yeah
I
mean
typically
when
I've
seen
these
sort
of
homegrown
ice
rinks
like
this.
They
use
like
a
some
sort
of
impermeable
layer
over
the
grass
and
then
fill
water
on
top
of
that
with
a
wood
frame
and
that
you
know-
and
you
do
that
with
a
really
thin
layer.
So
if
there
is
in
fact
a
thaw,
you
a
you,
don't
lose
the
water
and
b.
I
A
D
Sure
I
I'm
comparing
this
to
the
recent
proposal
that
we
got
for
use
of
city
park
lands
for
the
mountain
bike
trail.
I
feel
like
that
was
much
more
fleshed
out
and
had
sort
of
identified
organization
that
would
be
caring
for
it
and
maintaining
it
and
this
one.
While
I
think
it's
a
great
idea
to
have
sort
of
a
homegrown
ice
rink,
it
doesn't
have
the
same
support
behind
it
and
it
doesn't
seem
like
it's
been
quite
as
thought
through.
D
B
A
J
A
B
B
A
B
B
B
C
So
if
you
know
you're
down
at
the
commons-
and
you
start
heading
up
state
street,
you
know
you
hit
up
a
pretty
steep
incline
and
it's
easy
to
to
overlook
the
fact
that
there's
actually
quite
a
bit
of
property-
that's
just
below
state
street
to
the
right
of
state
street
as
you're
heading
up
the
hill,
and
so
if
you
you
go
where
the
gateway
plaza
building
is
so
there's
an
ethical
coffee,
company
and
domino's
pizza.
You
kind
of
go
behind
the
buildings.
C
There
there's
pretty
large
flat
area,
which
is
currently
a
parking
lot,
and
the
proposal
is
to
put
a
apartment,
building
with
a
couple
levels
of
parking
in
it
in
that
space.
So
is
everyone
sort
of
familiar
with
the
area
I'm
talking
about
so
we
started
discussing
it,
and
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up
is
how
best
to
use
the
the
riverwalk
along
six
mile
creek
as
an
amenity,
to
attract
people
to
the
site
and
to
be
kind
of
a
you
know.
C
Natural
attraction-
and
I
think
part
of
the
kind
of
the
bargain
in
the
for
the
planning
board
is
that
the
developer
was
willing
to
enhance
the
amenity
of
the
riverwalk
and
make
it
a
little
bit
nicer
and
more
accessible
to
provide
a
recreational
opportunity
for
people
in
the
downtown
area.
It's
only
two
blocks
away,
so
I
went
down
and
started
looking
at
the
riverwalk,
and
I
like
what
I
like
to
do
in
a
second
is
just
share
screen
with
you,
because
you
really
have
to
see
a
picture
of
it.
C
A
C
C
That,
I
think,
was
a
you
know,
probably
originally
put
in,
so
that
the
earth
could
be
filled
in
to
make
that
parking
lot
flat,
and
I
don't
know
the
history
of
when
it
was
built
or
exactly
who
built
it
or
whatever,
but
as
an
amenity.
If
you,
let
me
try
to
kind
of
drag
along
here.
If
you
can,
can
you
see
the
river
down
there
yeah?
C
In
my
opinion,
because
of
the
you
know,
the
differences
in
elevation,
and
so
I
looked
at
river
walks
in
other
areas,
and
so
I'm
going
to
show
you
here
and
if
you
can,
you
can
see
that.
Let
me
try
to
like
if
you
can
see
this.
This
is
an
example
of
a
river
walk
in
naperville
illinois
and
I
went
and
looked
at
a
lot
of
other
riverwalks
like
san
antonio
and
chicago
and
a
lot
of
other
places.
C
And
one
thing:
that's
common
about
all
of
them
is
that
there
are
some
elements
of
the
of
the
wall
or
the
walk
that
bring
people
down
to
the
water
or
allow
them
to
get
closer
to
the
water
and
so
like.
If
you
see,
if
you
can
see
this
one
right
here,
you
know
there's
a
high
embankment
and
then
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
cut
through
and
then
there's
a
set
of
stairs
that
go
down
that.
Take
you
right
down
to
the
water.
So
at
the
last
planning
board
meeting
I
asked
the
developer.
C
If
they
would
consider
improving
that
wall,
maybe
they
could
put
some
stairs
down
to
the
water
or
maybe
a
little
balcony
that
would
jut
out
over
the
water.
So
you
could
kind
of
get.
You
know
views
of
the
water
from
over
top
of
a
little
balcony
kind
of
thing,
or
you
know,
look
at
other
ways
to
just
open
it
up
a
little
bit
and
make
that
river
walk
amenity
a
little
bit
nicer
and
the
response
that
I
got
is
what
they
thought.
C
That
was
a
good
idea,
but
actually
the
city
owns
the
wall
and
therefore
they
can't
touch
it,
and
they
said
that
you
know.
I
guess
the
property
line
extends
up
to
the
wall,
but
the
wall
itself
is
city
property
and
then
they
they
told
me
that
it
was
that
that
wall
was
designed
by
the
army
corps
of
engineers,
and
there
were
issues
with
flood
control
and
so
on
so
kind
of
the
conversation
about
improving
that
amenity
came
to
a
dead
halt
because
they
said
like
we
can't
touch,
it
belongs
to
the
city.
C
So
sorry,
that's
a
long
way
of
saying
that
the
idea
I
want
to
throw
out
is:
could
someone
look
into
you
know
exactly
who
does
own
the
wall?
And
you
know
you
know?
Is
it
in
fact?
Does
it
have
to
remain
exactly
as
it
is
or
are?
Are
there
possibilities
to
put
a
little
stairs
going
down
the
river
or
a
balcony
or
some
kind
of
other?
You
know
way
of
just
making
it
a
little
bit
of
a
nicer,
a
nicer
facility,
so
I'll
stop
there.
But
that's
my
question.
B
A
K
A
A
A
I've
also
seen
pictures
from
tropical
storm
lee
when
the
water
was
about
six
inches
from
the
top
of
that
wall
coming
down.
So
I
that
I
mean
there's,
definitely
some
flood
control
considerations,
not
to
say
something
couldn't
be
done,
but
I
think
there's
going
to
be
a
bit
of
analysis
and
probably
a
bit
of
permitting
that's
required
for
that.
B
H
And
the
other
thing
I
think
tim
probably
remembers
this
better
than
I
a
study
was
done
not
too
long
ago
about
extending
the
the
path
farther
up
the
creek
and,
as
I
recall,
it
was
decided
that
it,
it
would
have
been
very
expensive.
It
would
have
involved
a
couple
foot
bridges
and
it
it's
an
intriguing
idea,
but
it
it
would
be
very
expensive
and
also
the
issue
of
making
it
easier
to
get
up
to
those
swimming
holes
which
may
not
be
a
good
idea
either.
H
F
It
is
the
city's
wall,
we
do
own
it
travis
hyde
when
they
did
the
building
that
ithaca
coffee
company
was
in
extended
the
first
section
of
that
stone
dust
trail
and
the
railing
on
on
the
wall
to
make
a
walk
along
there.
And
then
the
city
got
a
grant
to
the
middle
part
of
the
property,
so
to
speak,
that
extended
a
little
farther.
My
understanding
is.
This
project
has
proposed
that
they
would
extend
all
the
way
to
the
east
end
of
their
property.
F
So,
and
I
think
the
other
comments
about
modifying
the
existing
wall
are
probably
spot
on
too
it'd
be
pretty
hard
to
get
people
down
into
the
water
there.
You
know
in
august
when
the
water
levels
are
really
low.
It
seems
like
what
a
great
place
to
stomp
around
in
the
creek,
but
if
you're
out
there
in
late
march
or
early
april,
when
the
spring
thaws
are
coming
on,
it
can
get
pretty
pretty
roaring
down
there.
So
that'd
be
my
thought.
C
Yeah,
those
are
those
are
all
good
issues.
I
guess
what
I
would
say
is
that
I
think
the
status
quo
is
that
the
applicant
is
treating
the
wall
as
a
fixed
condition,
and
I
don't
think
they're
gonna
touch
it
in
any
way.
I
mean
they
don't
own
it
right
so,
but
there
is
potential
you
know
to
to
include
it
in
the
project.
C
If
we
were
to
collaborate-
and
I
guess
what
I
put
out
there
is-
I
I
hear
the
concerns,
but
I
just
maybe
asked
if
people
could
think
about
it
a
little
bit
I
mean
if
the
whole
thing
is
going
to
be
ripped
up,
you
know
if
there
ever
was
a
time
we
would
want
to
make
a
change
to
the
wall.
You
know
this
would
be
the
time.
So
you
know.
C
Maybe
we
don't
want
to
make
a
change,
but
I
just
maybe
asked
that
perhaps
you
know
you
know
tim
and
mike
if
you
could
just
think
about
it,
because
we
do
have
a
kind
of
a
rare
opportunity
to
in
any
adjustment
or
improvement
wouldn't
make
to
it
like.
It
seems
like
this
is
the
time
but
again,
unless,
unless
there's
something
from
us
going
back
to
the
planning
board,
it's
going
to
be
treated
as
a
fixed
condition
and
nothing's
going
to
happen
to
it.
B
What
if
so
sort
of
two
ways
to
skin
that
cat
right,
the
that
trail
behind
there
has
two
bump
outs,
I'm
not
sure
tim.
What
you
would
call
those
that
kind
of
push
out
into
the
creek
and
are
are
great
they're.
Actually,
the
only
points
along
the
creek,
where
you
do
feel
like
you're
in
or
underwater
I
just
I'm
thinking
of
them,
because
last
week
I
officiated
a
wedding
in
one
of
those
little
bundts.
It
was
nice
and
small.
B
Well,
something
to
continue
to
consider.
I
know
that
this
project
just
came
before
the
planning
board
right.
It
just
started
the
review
process.
Okay,
so
we
can
keep
that
in
mind.
Is
that
as
it
continues,
the
movie
continues.
Thank
you
garrett
for
bringing
it
to
our
attention.
It
is
it's
one
of
those
things
where
we
don't
have.
I
mean
we're
known
for
our
bridges.
I
Your
handgun
yes,
so
you
know
what
I
I
guess
I
would
encourage
staff
to
look
at.
This
is
like
more
of
like
you
know.
This
is
a
general
idea.
Let's
explore
all
the
options,
because
I
think
what
garrick
is
is
suggesting
and
showing
in
naperville
may
not
necessarily
work
here
because
of
the
flood
issues,
but
maybe
there
are
other
variations
on
the
theme
to
get
people
closer
to
the
water,
but
it
actually
what's
interesting
about
his
point.
It
actually
brings
up
a
point.
I
was
going
to
make.
I
I
It
would
probably
give
us
a
platform
to
to
work
with
developers,
maybe
not
praying
for
all
of
them,
but
little
bits
and
pieces
that
that
kind
of
come
out
of
this,
and
I
think
you
know
I
was
going
to
bring
up
the
parking
issue
with
respect
to
the
pud
up
in
college
town.
With
respect
to
phil
poganski
and
companies
development
up
there,
it's
like
well
who's,
gonna
pay
for
parking.
You
know
their
claim
is
well.
I
You
know
kind
of
the
typical
like
well
it'll,
be
fine,
you
know,
there's
no
new
parking
needed,
it's
not
required
by
by
zoning
et
cetera,
et
cetera,
but
clearly
the
amount
of
density
that
they're
bringing
to
the
table.
You
know,
there's
gonna
be
some
impact,
and
so
I
I
just
think
in
general
we
we
we-
we
should
be
thinking
about
some
of
these
great
opportunities
to
work
with
the
developers.
So.
A
Well,
let
me
let
me
just
make
it
clear:
I'm
not
against
this
idea.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
I
love
river
walks.
I've
been
to
the
one
in
naperville.
They've
got
a
great
one
down
in
frederick
maryland,
that's
also
very
nice
to
walk
along
these
things,
cost
money
and
before
everyone
gets
their
heart
set
on
them.
The
public
works
view
of
this
is
that
you
know
there
are
some
flooding
issues
there
that
will
need
to
be
addressed
and
those
will
probably
take
the
back
burner
to
hey.
A
This
is
a
neat,
fun
idea,
and
so
those
those
flooding
issues
will
also
not
be
cheap
to
resolve
them,
and
just
as
long
as
everybody
is
aware
of
that,
and
nobody
skips
over
that
until
you
know
the
11th
hour,
you
know
I'm
I'm
all
for
it.
You
know,
and-
and
you
know,
things
cost
money,
and
if
we
can
get
some
partnerships,
you
know
we
should
take
advantage,
but
things
do
cost
money.
B
C
Yeah
at
this
point
I
mean
this.
This
really
is
the
time
we
have
leverage
and
we
will
have
more
leverage
now
than
we're
ever
going
to
have.
I
know
just
listening,
it
does
seem,
like
you
know
the
idea
of
stairs
or
going
down
to
the
water
that
I'm
increasingly
being
convinced
that
that's
probably
infeasible,
but
the
idea
of
bump
outs
or
balcony
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it.
Maybe
that
could
be
like
that.
A
B
F
The
one
that
encroaches
farther
over
that
dimension
is
the
canopy
over
the
front
door
and
then
there's
like
a
an
industrial
pulley
element.
That's
up
a
couple
floors
up,
so
public
works
doesn't
see
any
concerns.
There's
plenty
of
height
and
clearance
over
the
sidewalk
seems
fine,
but
it,
but
it
went
over
the
dimension
that
were
authorized
at
the
staff
level,
so
we
thought
we'd
just
bring
it
to
you
great.
B
B
B
G
You
know,
I
think
we
learned
a
lot
from
the
first
round
of
the
racks,
and
these
will
be
very
durable,
we'll
work
with
staff
to
place
them.
Five
of
them
are
replacements
in
college
town,
four
new
racks
in
locations
where
they
don't
currently
exist
on
west
state
street,
where
they're
needed
one
at
alex
and
two
of
them
are
actually
replacing
two
racks
that
were
broken
during
a
construction
project.
So
we'll
put
a
little
color
on
the
commons.
You
see
the
designs
there.
G
We
had
a
nice
response
to
the
community
design
process
and
our
jury
had
a
hard
time,
selecting
the
future
designs
but
fully
funded
by
a
private
foundation
and
we're
ready
to
go.
We,
you
know
we'll,
have
the
fabricators
start
working
on
fabricating
the
wrecks
just
as
soon
as
we
get
the
board
and
installation
will
happen
when
the
snow
melts.
D
G
I
did
a
formal
survey
over
a
couple
of
days
last
fall
and
they
are
being
used
as
bike
racks
about
on
a
single
point
of
time,
look
there
was
about
75
percent
occupancy,
so
I
mean
we.
We
went
to
to
lengths
to
put
stickers
on
them
and
and
make
sure
people
had
that
information,
but
yeah.
So
it's
things
like
things
like
that.
You
know.
I
think
staff
has
done
this
before
so
we'll
work
with
dwayne
ross
on
placement.
He
knows
how
to
to
do
that.
G
G
B
E
So
we're
just
asking
for
the
same
permission
that
we
came
for
last
year.
So
there
is
a
part
of
the
city
code
that
says:
there's
no
shooting
or
hunting
on
city
property,
and
so
we
just
needed
to
get
a
exception
to
that
rule.
For
this
to
run
this
program
again,
it
was
very
successful
last
year
and
mike
smith
is
with
us
too
from
the
town.
K
D
E
K
D
E
Sure
so
last
year
we
did
have
them
clearly
signed
and
we
did
pick
locations
that
were
not
near
any
marked
paths
or
trails
that
people
were
using
and
it
is
different
than
hunting
so
hunting.
You
know
the
area
is
hoping
for
hunting
and
then
people
can
go
in
there
and
find
a
spot
where
they
want
to
hunt
from,
and
these
are
bait
stations
that
we
set
up
and
then
put
signage
all
around.
So
when
you
come
upon
it,
like
you
see
the
corn
feeder
there,
you
see
a
game
camera
like
it.
E
You
know
it's
only
happening
in
that
one
location
and
the
one
spot
that
we
had
that
had
the
juniper
drive
dead,
end
access.
We
found
that
there's
there's
an
informal
trail
that
a
lot
of
people
were
using
and
so
we're
going
to
shift
that
one
slightly
and
put
it
further
away
from
any
place
that
anybody's
walking
and
then,
in
addition
to
those
two
spots
that
we
had
last
year,
we're
going
to
introduce
a
third
spot.
E
E
Yeah,
so
we
have
a
corn
feeders
that
go
off
at
with
a
timer
they're
supplied
by
the
town.
So
it's
part
of
their
program
that
funds
that
and
then
the
you
know
the
feeder
goes
off
at
a
certain
time.
Every
day
did
you
kind
of
learn
when
that
is,
and
they
show
up
at
a
certain
time
to
eat
the
corn,
and
then
the
volunteers
are
there
waiting
for
them.
E
Sort
of
is,
but
I
mean
it
is
and
that's
why
we
don't
call
it
hunting
because
it
isn't
hunting.
It's
it's
deer
management.
It's
trying
to
control
a
population
of
animals
that
have
no
natural
predators
are
out
of
sync
with
what
they
should
be
with
nature.
Are
you
know
over
browsing
on
the
native
plants,
and
it's
all
there
in
the
resolution
I
go
on
and
on
and
on,
but
overpopulation
deer
is
really
bad
for
forest
health.
D
E
D
F
G
B
F
L
Thank
you
mayor.
If
you
all
miss
cj,
you
know
bpo
you're,
not
seeing
cj's
a
little
different
thing,
but
this
is
a
java
street
sidewalk
project.
That's
a
50
50
grant
for
hopefully
this
construction
season,
I
believe
in
2019
we
got
bpw
approval
to
apply
for
the
grant
we
found
out.
We
were
awarded
the
great
february
march
time
lapse
early
spring
last
year
or
this
year.
L
So
before
you
is
a
presentation
to
declare
lead
agency,
a
resolution
for
that
and
then
also
the
negative
declaration,
whether
you
want
to
prove
it
this
month
or
wait
till
next
month
depends
on
the
board.
The
jowl
street
project
was
part
of
the
city
work
plan
for
2021,
and
we
didn't
really
see.
I
didn't
receive
any
official
comments
about
it.
I
know
george
and
cynthia
promoted
or
signed
a
letter
of
support
for
approving
this.
If
you
go
to
page
38
of
the
packet.
A
L
This
one
here
next
one
right
here,
so
that's
where
giles
street
is
and
then
the
darker
line
there
is
on
the
south
side,
it'll
be
just
one
side
of
the
street
and
there'll
be
curb
ramps
at
east
state
street,
as
well
as
bridge
street
and
yeah.
If
there's
any
it's
nice
that
we're
going
to
be
connecting
kind
of
the
south
hill
side
of
it,
there's
an
existing
footpath
along
or
sort
of
a
safe
pedestrian
area
for
people
to
walk
already
and
then
on.
L
A
L
Yeah,
the
the
bridge
currently
has
sidewalk
on
the
north
north
side
of
the
bridge,
for
whatever
reason
I
think
it's
just
on
one
side,
so
it
makes
more
sense
for
us
to
have
the
sidewalk
along
the
south
side
and
then
wait
for
I'm
sorry.
I
think
that's
water
street
right
near
the
bridge
to
have
people
cross
right
there
at
the
intersection.
B
A
Well,
actually,
the
board
can
decide.
I
think
the
first
resolution
is
to
declare
itself
lead
agency
and
then
I
believe
what
john
was
saying
is
if
we
felt
comfortable
with
the
environmental
review,
we
could
do
a
negative
declaration
tonight,
but
john
was
saying
we
could
postpone
that
until
next
month,
as
well.
B
B
Okay,
well,
let's
we've
got
the
first
one
moved
and
seconded
right.
So
let's
go
down
that
first,
which
is:
do
we
want
to
be
lead
agent,
all
those
in
favor
that
I
can
resume
in
this
one?
Is
there
a
motion
for
the
second
one
on
environmental
significance
moved
by
rob
seconded
by
john
any
further
discussion.
L
B
I
Yeah
john,
I
was
curious.
You
know
the
the
parking
lot
that
goes
or
sort
of
the
the
entrance
to
the
wild
power
wildflower
preserve,
which
kind
of
goes
downhill
into
that
little
parking
lot
area.
Is
there
any
plans
to
kind
of
improve
that
entrance?
I
know
that
there's
there's
I
mean
I
was
just
I've
been
there
a
few
times
recently
and
it's
pretty
cut
up,
and
I
know
there's
probably
some
drainage
issues.
I
L
John,
that's
a
good
point.
I
know
I
think
gene
grace
already
signed
off,
but
I
know
jean
as
well
as
ken
johnson
from
our
engineering
staff
was
looking
at
that
parking
lot
last
year.
I
have
to
ask
them
where
they
left
off
with
trying
to
either
designate
official
parking
spots
or
try
to
improve
that.
I
know
there's
a
parking
meter
that
there
as
well
a
kind
of
good
thing
about
this
project,
though,
is
it
will
sort
of
encourage.
L
I
B
J
J
B
B
B
A
Sure,
let
me
I'll
just
describe
this.
We
saw
this
about
a
year
and
a
half
ago
when
we
first
were
proposing
this
idea
and
what
we
want
to
do
is
put
in
permanent
piping
underground,
so
that
when
we
get
ice
gms
on
either
cascadilla
creek
with
fall
creek,
we
don't
have
to
roll
out
a
bunch
of
hoses
and
things
like
that.
We
would
just
be
able
to
hook
up
a
pump
and
open
up
some
hydrant
valves
and
be
able
to
melt
ice
at
several
different
locations
on
the
creek.
A
This
whole
thing
sort
of
got
put
on
hold
due
to
covid
and
because
a
lot
of
dbc
staff
who
were
working
with
us
on
this
have
retired
in
the
last
few
months.
So
when
we
started
kicking
this
back
up
again,
they
said
folks.
Last
time
you
did
this,
you
put
in
that
this
was
going
to
be
an
uncoordinated
review
and
actually
that's
what
you're
seeing
on
the
screen
right
now.
So
let
me
pull
up
the
corrective,
and
this
is
the
one
that
I
emailed
out
to
everybody
today.
A
The
only
change
that
was
made
is
that
we've
changed
it
to
coordinated
review
instead
of
uncoordinated
review.
We
talked
with
the
dec.
They
said
we
could
have
written
a
whole
bunch
of
letters
and
gone
through
a
bunch
of
processes,
but
we
decided
that
it
was
easier
just
to
bring
it
back
to
the
board
and
load
on
it
again.
So
that's
what
you're,
seeing.
A
Oh
wait
hold
on
a
second,
I
was
gonna
scroll
down
in
case
anybody
forgot.
This
is
the
piping
system.
Everything
in
purple
is
is
what
we
would
like
to
put
in
for
permanent
hiking.
We
have
three
hydrants
along
fall,
creek
three
hydrants
along
cascadilla,
creek
and
we'd,
be
able
to
pump
where
we
were
pumping
from
before.
A
So
it's
the
same
plan,
nothing
really
has
changed.
I
know
scott
gibson
and
water
and
sewer
have
been
looking
at
our
abandoned
pipes
underground.
It
looks
like
this
one
pipe
segment
between
fall
and
cascadilla,
there's
a
lot
of
pipe
existing
in
the
ground
that
we're
going
to
try
and
reuse.
So
that
would
make
things
a
lot
faster
and
cheaper
for
us,
but
other
than
that.
The
idea
is
the
same.
M
I
can
add
a
little
bit
more
to
that.
You
know
when
the
science
center
was
the
original
location
for
the
the
city
wastewater
treatment
plant
before
the
modern
one
was
built
in
the
mid
80s
and
a
lot
of
the
pipes
that
crossed
beneath
the
railroad
and
route
13
are
still
in
place,
so
we
were
lucky
enough
to
at
least
piece
together
enough
infrastructure
that
runs
from
just
about
the
headworks
building.
M
So
where
all
of
the
sewage
comes
into
the
wastewater
treatment
plant
is
raw,
a
raw
product,
there
is
there's
a
12-inch
pipe
that
crosses
beneath
the
highway
into
the
science
center
parking
lot,
where
it
used
to
go
underneath
the
pedestrian
bridge,
where
the
they
had
their
little
mini.
Golf
course
to
that
like
to
show
you
where
day
street
is
that's
been
severed,
and
so
there's
some
modifications
that
we
need
to
do.
M
I
would
say,
in
january,
to
at
least
bring
treated
effluent
from
some
of
the
processes
at
the
tree
treatment
plant,
which
exist
in
the
headworks
building
to
get
treated
effluent
to
at
least
cascadilla,
and
we
should
be
able
to
do
that
very
easy
using
existing
infrastructure.
The
problem
is,
is
getting
it
down
to
fall
creek
because
there's
a
lot
more.
That
needs
to
be
done
to
reconnect
that
pipeline,
that
you
see
there
that's
1724
feet
of
pipe.
M
There's
a
there's,
a
couple:
there's
a
couple
of
places
where
it
was
abandoned.
That
would
need
to
be
reconnected,
and
then
we
need
to
fix
how
to
get
it
from
about
west
york
street
to
fall
creek.
But
I
really
don't
think
it's
monumental
to
do
and
our
goal
this
winter
is
to
complete
at
least
existing
infrastructure,
to
allow
us
to
discharge
to
cascadilla
and
to
fall
in
an
emergency
at
this
point.
M
A
M
Pulled
an
old
linen
map
out
from
where
I
was
just
talking
about
across
the
across
the
highway
in
the
what
was
then
a
couple
tanks
that
were
built
in
the
50s
and
60s
for
the
old
treatment
plant,
because
they
used
to
pump
back
and
forth
across
the
highway
and
they're
clear
as
day
there's
a
big
big
label
that
says
ice
melting
valve
so
and
that
would
have
been
probably
the
mid
70s.
So
we
said,
eureka
we've
discovered
it.
You
know
so.
B
B
L
I
M
Don't
know
it's,
interestingly
enough
city
harbor's,
trying
to
use
the
effluent
for
thermal
exchange,
and
that
is
being
discussed
now
with
the
special
joint
committee
that
oversees
the
wastewater
plant.
So
that's
one
application
for
it
they're
using
it.
You
know
because
the
the
tip
the
average
the
wastewater
coming
out
of
the
plants
50
degrees,
regardless
of
whether
it's
10
degrees
outside
or
80
degrees
outside.
It's
it's.
M
You
know
so
that
that's
less
of
a
delta
t
that
they
would
have
to
bring
their
water
up
to
temperature,
to
heat
their
buildings,
for
instance,
or
in
in
you
know.
If
it's
50
degrees,
then
they
don't
have
to
cool
their
buildings
with
anything
other
than
than
the
effluent.
So
so
that's
being
that's
being
done
now,
we've
also
had
the
newman
golf
course
approach
us
about
using
treated
effluent
for
fertilizer.
M
M
But
it's
there's
also
some
extra
permitting
that
has
to
take
place
through
the
dec,
because
we're
permitted
to
discharge
in
cayuga
lake
2,
000
feet
offshore,
that's
it,
and
so
even
with
ice
melting.
That's
what's
holding
things
up
is
that
we're
now
dedicating
the
treated
effluent
to
another
discharge
point
that
has
not
been
regulated
and
not
been
approved,
so
that
has
to
be
approved.
M
You
know
we
all
sit
here
and
we
say
well,
you
know
they
should
just
say.
Oh
sure,
we
we
know
what's
in
it,
because
we
we
test
it
all
the
time.
We
know
the
chemicals
we
know
the
concentration
and
the
biology
of
it,
so
it
should
be,
could
be
easy
peasy,
but
unfortunately
it
isn't.
It
usually
goes
through
a
pretty
pretty
rigorous
overview.
I
Well,
you
know
the
idea
of
using
it
for
heat
exchange
is
actually
a
really
clever
one,
and
I'm
also
wondering
if
you
know
maybe
the
city
should
be
thinking
about.
You
know
here's
kind
of
a
crazier
idea
which
is
on
sidewalks,
where
we,
you
know,
we
always
talk
about
snow
removal
being
a
real
challenge
in
the
winter.
I
If
there's
a
major
sidewalk
project
in
the
future
in
the
vicinity
of
one
of
these
valves,
you
know
we
should
think
about
whether
or
not
there's
the
potential
to
do
a
a
snowmelt
system.
I
know
I've
seen
it
in
other
locations
and
they're
not
cheap,
and
I'm
not
saying
it's
feasible
necessarily
in
this
context,
but
something
to
think
about.
M
A
lot
of
it's
public
perception,
too,
you
know
your
spring
sewage
all
over
the
ground.
Although
it's
treated
effluent,
you
know
we,
we
call
it
treated
effluent,
and
you
know,
and
and
one
of
our
big
public
relations
is
that
you
know
fish
fish
swim
in
it.
You
know
we
have.
I
don't
know
if
we
still
have
it,
but
we
still
have
a
fish
tank
with
you
know
fish
in
in
our
affluent,
and
you
know
it's,
it
would
need
to
be
treated
a
little
bit
more,
but
you
could
actually
drink
it.
M
So
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
it's.
We
we
debate
about
this
all
the
time
you
know
it's.
It's
probably
the
most
important
environmental
technology
that
the
city
has
yet
there's
it's
constant
public
perception.
We
have
to
keep
reminding
people
that
that's
what
that
is
it's
it's!
It's
an
importance
to
the
community,
it
cleans
the
lake.
If
you
saw
the
lake
back
when
even
the
first
city
treatment
plant
was
in
place
in
the
20s
and
30s,
you
probably
wouldn't
even
want
to
go
near
the
beach.
M
M
B
A
A
M
I
L
B
M
M
M
It
takes
two
people
to
go
out
to
a
property
that
usually
involves
several
phone
calls,
possibly
a
letter
to
coordinate
time
to
get
into
the
residence
to
go
down
to
remove
the
meter.
Put
a
temporary
one
in
place.
Bring
the
meter
back
to
the
shop.
Put
it
on
the
testing
machine,
spend
time
testing
only
to
find
out
that
it's
perfectly
well
with
intolerance.
M
Then
they
have
to
bring
the
meter
back
to
the
residence
after
several
phone
calls
to
arrange
for
it
and
a
lot
of
times.
The
residents
do
not
want
to
then
be
more
accommodating
because
they
found
out
that
the
meter's
perfectly
fine.
So
then
you
know
it
so
it
takes
staff
a
while
chase
them
down.
They
go
back
in,
they
put
the
old
meter
in
place
only
to
charge
the
resident
75.
M
H
M
M
You
know
a
couple
tenths
percent
tolerance
and
they
almost
always
are
actually
they
always
are,
and
and
with
the
more
modern
meters
which
are
all
electronic.
Now
we
almost
have
none
of
them
fail
and
if
they
fail
it's
due
to
an
electronic
head
or
something
that
ran
out
of
a
battery,
but
that
doesn't
mean
the
meter
was
wrong.
M
M
M
M
M
You
know
we're
a
complete
construction
company
we
operate
as
such,
and
you
know,
and
water
testing
may
be
just
one
of
those
things
that
the
city
does,
that
a
lot
of
other
municipalities
might
just
assume
it's
bad
and
replace
it
with
a
perfectly
good
one
and
then
maybe
throw
the
old
one
out.
I
really
don't
have
an
answer
to
that.
B
And
that
carries
unanimously.
That
was
it,
you
did
it
everybody
a
very
substantial
agenda.
He
did
it
in
an
hour
and
a
half
who
wants
to
hang
out
over
at
the
planning
board
with
garrett.
You
know
I'll
go
watch
on
youtube,
but
with
that
last
slow
motion,
return,
move
by
marshall
second
by
rower,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously
so
standard.
Thank.