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From YouTube: August 9, 2022 City of Ithaca Board of Zoning Appeals
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A
The
board
operates
under
the
provisions
of
the
ithaca
city
charter,
ithaca
zoning
ordinance,
ithaca
sign
ordinance
and
the
board's
own
rules
of
procedure.
The
board
comprises
five
members
nominated
by
the
mayor
and
approved
by
common
council
board.
Members
present
tonight
are
michael
cannon,
andre
gardner,
joseph
kirby,
as
well
as
zoning
administrator,
megan
wilson
staff
to
the
board
and
stella
frank
assistant
to
the
staff
to
the
board.
Chairperson
of
the
board,
is
myself
david
barkin.
A
A
Full
consideration
of
appeals
requires
a
public
hearing
deliberation
and
then
voting
by
the
board.
These
actions
occur
only
after
the
appellant
has
filed
appropriate
documents
with
the
zoning
division
and
planning
and
development
board.
Public
hearings
include
testimony
from
quote
interested
parties.
The
board
considers
interested
parties,
persons
who
live
work
or
own
property
within
750
feet
of
the
property
who
are
authorized,
representatives
of
recognized
adjacent
neighborhood,
civic
groups
or
who
are
elected
city
officials
board
members
may
question
testifying
interested
parties
in
any
areas
requiring
clarification.
A
Persons
who
do
not
meet
the
board's
interest
of
party
definition
will
not
be
heard.
Comments
are
limited
to
three
minutes.
Appellants
will
then
be
allowed
to
rebut
opposing
testimony,
but
appellant's
comments
must
be
limited
to
strict
rebuttal
of
the
issues
raised
by
those
opposed
and
will
be
limited
to
five
minutes.
A
timer
will
sound
at
the
end
of
each
speaker's
allotted
time.
A
A
Let's
see
here,
the
official
record
consists
of
application
materials
filed
with
the
zoning
division
correspondence
relating
to
cases
received
by
the
zoning
division
and
the
planning
and
development
board's
own
findings
and
recommendations.
If
any
and
the
record
of
tonight's
meetings,
an
audio
recording,
is
being
made
of
this
meeting,
therefore
it
is
essential
anyone
wanting
to
be
heard
speaks
clearly,
so
their
comments
are
recorded
and
heard
by
everyone.
Extraneous
comments
will
neither
be
recorded
nor
considered
by
the
board.
A
Following
the
appellant
rebuttal,
the
appeal
hearing
will
be
closed
and
the
board
will
close.
The
board
will
begin
deliberation.
The
board
is
required
to
render
a
decision
within
62
days
of
the
public
hearings
closure
once
the
hearing
is
closed.
No
further
testimony
will
be
taken.
It
takes
three
votes
to
approve
a
motion
to
grant
variance
a
favorable
interpretation
in
the
event
of
a
thai
vote
and
appeal
is
denied.
A
A
Interested
parties
are
welcome
to
address
the
board
as
part
of
this
online
meeting
or
may
submit
written
comments
to
be
read
into
the
record
during
the
public
hearing.
Apologies
for
my
dog
barking
and
with
that
megan,
would
you
kindly
call
our
first
case.
B
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
sign
package
for
the
new
mixed-use
building
at
210
at
building
the
ithacan
located
at
210,
east
green
street
and
215
east
state
street.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
install
three
building
signs
on
the
north
and
south
elevations
of
the
building
located
at
210
east
green
street.
The
sign
ordinance
limits
each
business
to
one
freestanding,
sign
or
two
building
signs,
and
each
sign
is
limited
to
50
square
feet
in
sign
area.
In
addition,
any
sign
advertising
a
residential
building
is
limited
to
12
square
feet
in
sign
area.
B
Two
of
the
proposed
building
signs
the
ithacan
logo
identified
as
type
one
will
be
94.5
square
feet
and
the
third
sign
the
ithacan
will
be
22
square
feet.
The
property
is
located
in
the
cbd,
140
use
district
in
which
the
proposed
use
is
permitted.
However,
the
signed
ordinance
section,
272
18,
requires
that
the
variances
be
granted
before
the
sign.
Permit
can
be
issued,
and
brian
is
here
tonight
joining
us.
C
Thank
you
everybody.
My
name
is
brian
bouchard,
I'm
with
cha.
So
I'm
the
project
engineer
I'm
representing
the
owner
for
this
signed
variance
application
for
the
building
called
the
ithacan.
If
I
could
share
my
screen
megan,
I
think
bring
up
a
copy
of
the
plan.
Just
let
me
see
if
I
can
do
this
here,
we
go
so
as
and
I'll
reiterate
some
of
the
things
that
megan
mentioned,
but
that
was
a
good
summary.
So
thank
you.
The
project
is
located
at
210
east
green
street.
So
it's
the
highlighted,
parcel
here.
C
East
green
street,
is
to
the
bottom
of
the
page.
We
have
the
marriott
which
you'd
be
familiar
with
and
then
the
commons,
which
is
just
the
north
off
of
the
rothschild
building,
which
is
a
separate
building,
but
is
connected
to
the
proposed
construction
or
ongoing
construction
for
the
ithacans.
So
a
little
bit
of
history.
This
was
formerly
a
office
building
with
two
levels
of
city
parking
above
it
and
it
connected
to
the
adjacent
city-owned
parking
garage,
and
there
were
structural
issues.
C
Since
then,
the
city
has
issued
an
rfp
for
a
project
that
will
be
built
adjacent
to
us,
which
is
considered
the
astiri
project,
which
will
reconstruct
a
portion
of
that
garage,
and
then
the
red
parcel,
which
is
our
project,
is
reconstructing
a
portion
of
the
garage,
there'll,
be
three
levels
of
parking
and
then
residential
units
above
totaling
14
stories
with
a
rooftop
terrace.
C
So
within
this
footprint
we
are
building
a
proposed
apartment.
Building
it'll
have
about
200
units,
it's
14
stories
and
directly
adjacent
to
the
marriott
hotel,
as
megan
mentioned.
This
is
in
the
central
business
district
140
allowables
two
signs
not
to
exceed
12
square
feet
because
it
is
a
residential
building,
but
otherwise,
if
it
was
commercial
would
be
allowing
two
signs
50
square
feet
and
our
requested
variance
is
for
two
logo
signs
which
we've
provided
the
graphics
for.
So
this
is
the
ithacan
logo.
It's
an
eye.
C
C
This
is
hexagonal
in
shape,
obviously,
and
it's
internally
illuminated
so
that
the
eye
shines
through
during
the
evening
hours.
The
other
sign
is
the
channel
letters
which
is
the
ithacan
would
be
placed
on
the
canopy
at
the
ground
level.
The
street
level
over
the
main
entrance
of
the
building,
some
of
our
application
materials
had
other
signs
in
it.
This
other
channel
letters
would
be
on
the
commons
facing
side,
which
is
a
separate
property,
so
that's
been
omitted
from
this
application,
as
well
as
the
enter
and
exit
signs
which
were
submitted.
C
These
are
the
signage
that
would
designate
the
enter
and
exit
to
the
parking
garage
itself,
because
it
is
one-way
traffic,
as
you
know,
on
green
street,
and
I
believe
these
have
been
omitted
megan,
because
they're
directional
signs
that's
correct,
perfect.
So
we
did
include
some
of
that
and
I've
kind
of
marked
this
up,
so
that
we're
focused
on
the
three
signs
here
that
are
circled
in
red
that
are
subject
to
this
application
and
just
to
give
you
an
overview,
obviously,
in
support
of
this
application
for
its
own
justification.
C
This
project
is
incredibly
unique.
I
believe
this
board,
or
members
of
this
board
have
seen
this
project
in
terms
of
the
subdivision
applications
that
came
through
the
pga
and
also,
hopefully,
you
followed,
along
with
the
approval
process,
that
the
better
part
of
the
year
with
the
planning
board
and
planning
staff
to
bring
this
project
to
fruition.
But
it
goes
without
saying
that,
obviously,
this
is
incredibly
unique,
the
location
itself.
C
You
know
this
is
the
only
district
which
is
intended
for
this
type
of
high-rise
construction,
and
it's
unique
because
this
you
know
cbd,
140
district
is
essentially
limited
to
the
area
within
this
particular
block.
So
it
includes
the
marriott.
It
includes
our
project
and
the
estheri
project
kind
of
over
to
city,
but
that
you
know
this
is
such
a
small
little
area
where
you
can,
where
you
can
develop.
C
You
know
this
type
of
density
and
this
size
to
bring
these
type
of
apartments
kind
of
to
the
downtown
area
for
walkability,
within
the
businesses
and
et
cetera,
but
that
makes
this
incredibly
unique
in
what
we're
asking
for.
Essentially,
you
know.
Basically,
this
would
not
establish
any
type
of
precedent
if
somebody
else
was
to
try
and
compare
the
overage
that
we
have
for
these
signs
in
relation
to
their
own
building.
C
It
really
only
exists
on
this
one
city
block,
so
there
is,
you
know,
no
real
precedent
that
could
be
set
for
properties
that
are
outside
of
the
cbd,
140
district,
and
this
project
itself
is
also
transformative
right.
This
used
to
be
a
kind
of
a
dilapidated
office,
building
with
a
little
bit
of
structural
issues
and
a
parking
garage
above
it
and
you
know
bringing
this
project
to
the
point
of
construction
which
you
see
today
out.
C
There
has
obviously
taken
a
significant
financial
investment
from
both
the
developer,
constructing
the
building
and
also
reconstructing
you
know
the
city's
portion
of
the
parking
garage.
So
there's
a
lot
of
sustain
substantial
opportunity
to
really
increase.
You
know
the
number
of
units
and
the
density
down
here
for
walkability
to
live,
work
and
play
with
in
downtown,
but
obviously
you
know
the
investment
comes
with
that.
C
The
main.
The
main
justification
here
is
really
that
the
project
signage
is
is
commensurate
with
the
mass
and
scale
of
the
building.
Here
you
know
the
tall
building
of
this
sign
size,
you
know
allowable
for
12
square
feet.
C
It
really
would
make
the
the
signage
not
visible,
so
what
we've
done
is
try
and
create
a
signage
that
still
provides
the
way
finding
and
and
kind
of
a
building
identification
marker
for
the
ithacan
as
it's
been
named,
but
to
try
and
distinguish
this
building
from
what
the
12
square
feet
is
allowable,
which
is
really
catering
to
something
more.
C
Like
you
know,
a
two-story
residential
apartment
house
that
could
have
a
you
know,
a
three
by
three
or
a
three
by
four
sign,
and
the
mass
and
scale
of
this
building
is
is
not
really
proportional
to
sort
of
that
catch-all
within
the
code
of
12
square
feet.
So
you
know
to
take
you
through
it
here.
This
is
the
ithacan
logo
and
stop
this.
C
This
is
the
green
street
elevation
of
the
building,
so
the
logo,
as
you
can
see,
isn't
massive.
It's
not
taking
up
a
huge
footprint
on
the
facade,
so
in
terms
of
the
mass
and
scale
the
building
being
commensurate
with
the
sign
size.
Again,
it's
internally
illuminated,
but
all
that's
showing
is
the
the
I
logo
down
here.
You'll
see
those
channel
letters
which
are
illuminated
channel
letters
which
exists
right
over
the
main
lobby
that
you
would
access
to
get
up
into
the
residential
units
facing
green
street.
C
Graphic
is
actually
a
view
from
the
commons,
so
in
the
foreground
is
the
rothschild
building,
which
is
not
part
of
our
property
or
project,
which
is
why
I've
crossed
out
those
other
signs
that
were
included
in
the
in
the
overall
graphics.
But,
in
the
background,
is
the
residential
building
taking
shape
above
the
rothschild
building,
which
is
in
front
and
that
second
logo
sign
would
be
placed
at
the
top
of
that
building.
C
So
with
that,
you
know,
we
believe
that
this
was
put
together
in
a
delicate
fashion
to
still
provide
that
way,
finding
in
sort
of
a
business,
a
a
building
identification
for
the
ithacan
and
I'll
kind
of
pause
there
and
ask
for
any
questions
or
comments
that
the
board
might
have.
A
Thank
you
board
members.
You
want
the
screen
still
up.
C
E
B
Right
so
right
now
we're
looking
at
the
210
e-screen
parcel,
which
is
the
new
building
and
so
on
that
building
the
exit.
Entry
per
the
sign
ordinance
aren't
considered
advertising
signs,
so
they
don't
need
a
permit
or
a
variance.
It's
the
the
two
logos
and
then
the
ithacan
texts.
The
channel
letter
signs
so
the
sign
again.
B
The
sign
ordinance
allows
two
wall
signs
and
they're
proposing
three,
and
also
there
is
a
provision
in
the
sign
ordinance
that
they're
the
signs
advertising
the
residential
building
are
limited
to
12
square
feet,
and
so
all
of
these
are
over
that
and
then,
as
brian
commercial
district
in
general,
signs
are
limited
to
a
maximum
of
50
square
feet,
and
so
two
of
the
signs
are
over
that
dimension
as
well.
The
the
two
logo
signs
that
are
up
that
type
one
there
that
are
up
towards
the
top
of
the
building.
E
Yeah
I,
as
a
general
statement,
I
think
the
type
four
sign
the
ithacan
sign
on
green
street
there.
That
seems
very
much
in
scale
with
the
building
and
the
purposes
of
you
know
being
like
this
is
the.
If
again
you
are
here,
I
struggle
to
understand
the
argument
that
the
larger
eyes
help
anyone
with
wayfinding
you
know
if,
like
is
the
is
what
you're
trying
to
achieve
advertising
or
is
what
you're
trying
to
achieve
helping
people
find
and
direct
themselves
to
the
building.
I
guess
at
the
end
of
the
day,.
C
Yeah,
if
that's
a
pointed
question,
it's
really
both
right.
C
You
know
the
building
itself,
as
the
ithacan
does
have
a
brand
for
which
you
know
if
you
went
to
the
leasing
office,
they'd
have
application
materials
for
leasing
an
apartment,
so
there
is
very
much
a
branded
mechanism
to
leasing
apartments
and
having
this
be
kind
of
a
destination
for
you
know
for
you
to
live
at,
but
also
wayfinding
in
terms
of
coming
down
off
the
hill
and
and
trying
to
find
things
like
either
your
your
friend's
apartment,
where
it's
the
ithacan
or
other
things
like
when
google's
gonna
point
you
to
the
public
parking
garage,
you
know
contained
within
the
ithacan.
C
F
I
have
a
couple
of
questions.
This
is
my
canon.
I
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
the
sign.
It's
so
far
up
there.
It
absolutely
would
look
ridiculous
if
it
were
compliant.
F
F
Is
that
signage
going
to
match
up
with
the
green
signage
that
currently
directs
people
to
public
parking.
C
Yeah,
so
to
explain
that
a
little
bit
differently,
there
is
a
ground
floor,
parking
that
will
be
associated
with
the
building,
but
and
that's
where
you
go
in
and
out,
the
two
levels
of
city
parking
that
are
above
actually
will
connect
to
the
adjacent
esteri
building,
that's
reconstructing
that
parking
and
the
entrance
and
the
ramps
that
get
you
up
and
down
from
those
two
floors
exist
on
that
other
property.
So
there
is
kind
of
two
separate
entrances.
C
I'm
not
sure
that
there's-
and
at
least
we
haven't
been
indicated
to
to
conform
to
any
standard
of
the
enter
and
exit,
but
I
mean
they're
they're,
very
basic
right,
they're,
they're,
black
aluminum.
You
know
letters
that
just
say
enter
and
exit.
If.
G
Yeah,
so
I'm
kind
of
on
the
same
page
andre
is
where
I'm
looking
at
like
again,
I
think
if
it
can
sign
down
low,
I'm
mostly
fine
with,
I
think
that
makes
sense
is
like.
G
Yes,
you
were
at
the
ithaca,
but
then
we're
looking
at
how
the
code
is
written,
where
it's
50
feet
or
50
square
feet
in
the
district
12
feet
for
building
advertisement
and
we're
looking
at
not
anything
that
says
this
is
the
ithacan
as
much
as
it's
a
logo
which
you
know
if
somebody's
saying,
oh,
I'm
looking
for
the
ithaca,
I
don't
know
that
a
an
I
is
going
to
be
the
thing
that
denotes
that,
so
I
don't
see
how
that's
anything
much
more,
really
than
pure
cut
advertising,
which
makes
it
complicated
as
far
as
the
the
size
difference
between
what's
allowed
and
what's
being
asked,
for
it
makes
sense
everything
you're
saying
about
the
size
of
the
project,
how
it
needs
to
be
large
to
be
seen,
but
then
again
I'm
looking
at
it
as
advertising
way.
G
More
than
anything
else.
Yeah
I
mean
it's.
I
don't
know
if
I
have
a
question
really
that's
just
kind
of
where
I'm
at
where
it's
this
weird
one
where
it's
unique.
I
can
see
where,
if
you're
gonna
have
a
sign,
it
needs
to
be
this
size.
But
then
that
begs
the
question
of
is
the
sign
necessary
and
like
coming
from
green,
the
green
street
side.
I
don't
know
how
much
wayfinding
that's
providing
just
really
based
on
the
layout
of
the
city.
G
At
that
point,
it's
not
as
though
green
street
has
some
sort
of
egress
coming
into
it
at
that
point,
right.
It's
green
street,
the
creek
and
then
up
the
hill,
and
you
know
foliage
and
all
that
sort
of
stuff
the
state
street
side.
I
think
you've
got
a
better
argument
there
for
for
wayfinding,
but
again
you're
looking
at
the
commons
at
that
point
and
not
so
much
a
street.
So
again
I
see
if
you're
going
to
have
a
sign.
C
Yeah
and
totally
understand
that,
so
thank
you
for
the
feedback
and
I
think
just
to
talk
through
at
least
your
first
point.
There
we
feel
like
when
this
building
will
be
viewed
from
any
direction.
C
You
know
trying
to
do
it
delicately
so
also
this
will
be
the
logo
you
know
of
the
of
the
building
and
the
project,
but
I
guess
to
kind
of
counter
your
argument.
What
we
didn't
want
to
do
is
make
all
three
signs
say
the
ithacan,
because
you
know,
unlike
maybe
the
marriott
that
has
more
of
that
you
know
lettering
and
the
appeal
of
the
marriott.
C
I
feel
like
it's
more
aesthetically
pleasing.
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
say
is
is
having
you
know
the
logo,
as
opposed
to
having
the
the
actual
channel
letters
that
high
up
with
the
size
that
it
is,
you
know
just
being
appealing
with
with
sort
of
a
a
logo
as
opposed
to
having
the
text
written
out
on
the
building
it
that's
illuminated,
I
think,
would
would
start
to
obstruct
the
skyline
with
with
letters
and
messages
more
so
than
just
just
a
logo.
I
guess
if
that
makes
sense.
G
A
I've
got
a
few
questions.
One
did
the
appellant
consider
a
smaller
sign
closer
to
the
streetscape.
At
any
point,.
C
I
I
think,
with
what
we've
proposed
having
you
know,
the
ithacan
over
the
entrance
makes
sense
right
because
that's
where
you're
gonna
enter
the
building,
if
you're
taking
a
ride,
share
or
somebody's
dropping
you
off
so
to
have
the
ability
to
place
a
logo
that
you
know,
the
thought
was
to
place
it
higher
up
on
the
building
so
that
it
could
be
seen
be
part
of
the
building
and
kind
of
give
you
more
wave
finding
from
from
afar,
rather
than
when
you're
already
on
the
street,
because
I
think
you
know
the
point
was
was
made
by
joe
there
that
once
you're
on
green
street,
it's
a
one
way.
C
You
really
don't
have
a
way
to
get
off
of
it
until
you
come
up
around
to
you
know
to
state
street
on
the
other
side.
So
I
guess
you
know
maybe
it
was
thrown
around,
but
I
think
what
what
was
trying
to
be
accomplished
here
was
to
have
sort
of
that
pedestrian
feel
on
the
ground
level
and
then
find
a
building
identifier
on
the
upper
levels
with
an
appropriate
size.
A
Okay,
thanks
and
then
I
know
that
this
is
a
very
zoning
specific
corridor.
Is
there
any
other
buildings
that
are
residential
of
this
scale
and
scope
that
you
can
reference
where
this
type
of
branding
at
that
height
would
contribute
to
the
character
it
would
would
sort
of
set
a
an
established
character
of
the
neighborhood.
C
Not
not
residential
in
particular,
but
you
know,
the
the
marriott
itself
is
a
fairly
substantial
sign.
That's
already
been
placed
on
the
on
the
upper
floor
of
the
building,
but
again
that's
commercial,
it's
allowable
for
50
square
feet,
but
I
know
that
I
believe
they've
had
a
variance
issued
for
for
for
their
sign
to
be
placed.
C
You
know
up
there,
so
the
the
three
projects
that
are
at
hand
are
really
us
the
astiri
project
and
then
the
back
part
of
harold
square
which
exists
kind
of
in
a
split
zone,
none
of
which
I
don't
think
have
maybe
we're
the
first
ones
kind
of
kind
of
cresting
over
this
issue
with
12
square
feet.
Being
you
know,
kind
of
the
rule
that
you
have
to
play
in
and
how
really?
This
is
applied
for
this
type
of
construction
right.
A
Okay,
so,
and
then,
lastly,
before
doing
the
public
hearing,
if
you
don't
get
your
variants
tonight
for
the
two
eyes
up
top,
is
you
know
what
what
would
you
see
the
project
team
doing
at
that
point.
C
You
know
so
obviously
in
support
of
the
application.
I
would
hope
that
you
know
they
all
get
approved,
but
I
guess
speaking
the
hypothetical
it
sounded
like
there
was
a
fair
consensus
that
the
22
square
foot
channel
letters
of
the
ithaca
are.
Are
you
know
within
reason?
C
I
would
ask
the
board,
I
guess,
to
consider
if
you
weren't
interested
in
what
has
been
proposed
for
the
I
logos
on
the
north
and
south,
maybe
talking
through
what
the
minimum
relief
would
be.
I
guess
to
still
accomplish
that.
Is
it
that
you
know
maybe,
instead
of
94
square
feet,
they
could
be
reduced
in
size
or
maybe
maybe
it's
just
one
and
not
the
other.
C
You
know,
maybe
it's
not
the
one
facing
green
street
as
the
point
was
made,
but
you
know
facing
the
north,
so
I
guess
there's
a
couple
of
options
there
in
the
hypothetical,
but
if,
if,
if
it's
approved
with
just
the
22
square
foot
sign,
I
think
we'd
at
at
least
at
that
point
have
the
ability
to
go
back
and
kind
of
see.
C
Maybe
what
justification
you
have
for
that
reasoning
and
if
it's
something
where
a
smaller
sign
could
be
entertained
at
the
upper
levels
or
something
where
we
start,
bringing
that
you
know
more
down
to
the
street
level
or
something
I
guess
I'd
be
I'd,
be
willing
to
react
to.
However,
the
board,
you
know,
manages
your
decision.
E
B
Nope
they
have
signed
variances
for
their
site,
their
building
signage,
so
not
specifically
the
individual
tenant
signage,
but
the
building
signage
as
well.
It's
not
located
up
quite
as
high,
but
it
is
also
a
fairly
large
science.
E
B
E
I
can't
see
a
single
sign
for
this
building,
and
then
you
know
I,
if
you're
coming
down
like
aurora
street,
coming
down
the
hill
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
see
the
eye,
no
matter
what,
because
the
hills
are
going
to
block
you,
I
don't
know
yeah,
I'm
not
a
sign
designer.
A
Yeah
we'll
deliberate,
I
guess
if
this
is
a
question
for
the
appellate
or
for
megan,
but
did
this
sign
go
through
site
plan
with
the
planning
board,
or
I
thought
it
was
left
out
at
the
specifics
of
the
sign
was
left
out?
Can
the
appellant
speak
to
that
at
all.
C
So
the
signage
was
left
out
of
the
site
plan
approval
yes,
but
this
application,
I
believe,
if
megan
confirms,
I
think
it
was
referred
to
the
planning
board
at
the
july
meeting
held
last.
So
essentially
we
submitted
the
application.
They
did
hear
it.
I
believe
you
know
in
general.
I
think
what
you
guys
have
have
said
was
kind
of
in
line
with
what
their
recommendations
were,
and
I
don't
know
if
megan
has
that
off
the
top
of
her
head,
but
same
type
of
thing.
C
You
know
that
the
the
ground
level
sign,
even
though
it
exceeds
the
12
square
feet.
The
channel
letters
seem
appropriate,
but
there
was
some
hesitancy
as
as
far
as
the
placement
of
the
signs
high
up
on
a
building,
but
we
also
weren't
part
of
that
conversation
to
give
them.
I
guess
our
point
of
view
in
terms
of
what
we've
developed
and
kind
of
the
justification
for
it.
It
was
more
just
at
the
end
of
their
their
meeting.
You
know
taking
a
look
at
it,
so.
B
So,
david
to
answer
that
question
I
have
not
yet
received
either
site
plan
approval,
whether
it
be
limited
by
staff
or
to
the
full
board,
or
even
a
recommendation
from
the
planning
board
on
this.
Yet
if
the
board
were
to
grant
an
all
or
part
of
the
variants,
the
other
piece
of
it
is
site
plan
approval
that
they'll
have
to
have
before
they
can
before
they,
the
sign
permit
can
be
issued.
So
those
are
our
two
components:
okay,.
B
Okay,
so
we
do
not
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
in
person
this
evening.
I
did
not
receive
any
comments
and
support
of
the
proposal.
B
I
did
receive
a
comment
in
opposition
and
I
can
read
that
to
you.
It
says
an
accurate
and
fair
representation
of
the
contextual
record
would
lay
out
chronologically
from
the
time
from
the
time
of
the
dda
air
rights
sale
till
now
how
we
were
acknowledged
and
considered
originally
and
then
not-
and
this
includes
a
list
of
items-
person
spread
the
dda
codified
date
subdivision
dates,
address
changes,
iura,
formal
votes,
common
council,
formal
votes,
tcida,
formal
votes
and
the
planning
board
resolution
to
bring
the
icpa
school
in
october
2020.
B
The
bga
should
also
know
that
we
are
in
cross
litigation
with
the
applicant,
and
this
is
from
todd
kurzweil,
who
is
a,
I
believe,
still
a
current
tenant
within
the
building.
That
is
the
only
written
comment
I
have
received.
I
and
again,
as
I
mentioned,
I
did
not
receive
any
comment.
I
any
recommendation
in
either
way
from
the
from
the
planning
board
on
this.
At
this
time.
A
Okay,
would
the
appellant
like
to
respond
then
to
that
comment,
and
then
we
could
claim.
C
I
would
I
I
know
nothing
about
the
litigation
between
the
tenant
and
the
existing
owner,
but
I'm
assuming
that
that
is
a
rothschild
tenant
within
the
rothschild
building
that
exists
on
a
different
property
and
I'm
not
sure
that
anything
within
that
letter,
at
least
as
megan
read
it
to
us,
has
anything
to
do
with
the
application
of
signage
and
the
differences
between
the
sign
code
and
what's
being
proposed
for
signage.
A
Okay,
that
seems
reasonable,
so
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
close
public
hearing
and
we'll
go
into
deliberation
and
I'll
open
it
up
to
board
members.
Does
it
help
for
board
members
to
still
have
the
the
renderings
up?
Would
you
like
to
close
that.
A
Yeah
yeah,
we
can
keep
it
up
comments:
deliberation
from
board
members.
G
I
guess
where
I
come
down
is
like:
do
I
think
the
signs
are
necessary
or
do
I
think
they
they
achieve
a
necessary
goal
so
like
I,
I
totally
understand
that
this
is
the.
This
is
the
best
sign
to
put
up
there,
but
I
don't
know
how
much
it
way
finds
or
effectively
denotes
what
building
it
is,
but
I
mean
like
within
the
neighborhood
you
know,
I
know
that's
not
what
we're
doing
here,
but
the
marriott's
right
there.
It's
got
a
huge
sign.
G
The
hilton's
not
far
away
big
sign
city
center,
big
sign,
so
it's
got
those
things
kind
of
going
for
it
yeah,
it's
just
a
weird
one,
because
again
it's
so
out
with
the
advertising
allowing
12
feet,
it's
not
feasible
and
so
kind
of
again
it
begs
the
questions.
Do.
Does
the
sign
need
to
be
there
then
at
all?
If
the
answer
is
yes,
this
signs
great.
If
the
answer
is
no,
then
it
just
doesn't
fit,
and
I
can't
I
can't
sign
off
so
I
don't.
E
You
know,
prior
to
the
meeting,
I
was
more
concerned
about
the
type
3
sign,
which
is
the
lower
one
above
the
rothschild
building
the
type
4
sign
on
green
street.
I
think
I
would
venture
to
say
we're
all
totally
fine
with
you
know
the
type
1
signs
on
both
the
north
and
south
side.
I
struggle
to
see
a
functional
goal,
that's
being
achieved
that
necessitates
such
a
large
variance,
but
in
the
context
of
the
other,
large-scale
commercial
buildings.
E
Here
I
think
it's
totally
in
line
with
them,
but
I
don't
know
I'd
be
curious
to
see
the
the
variance
for
city
center
on
whether
or
not
their
sign
visible
from
east
state
street
was
considered
advertising
or
wayfinding.
E
You
know,
I'm
inclined
probably
to
say
yes,
but
I'm
not.
I
don't
know
what
this
really
achieves,
but
I
think
within
the
context
of
the
building,
it
proved
it's
totally
within
scale
and
the
zoning
is
sort
of
not
designed
for
a
building
this
big.
So
I
agree,
that's
proportional,
but
I
still
struggle
to
imagine
that
this
is
the
best
sign
for
what
they're
doing,
but
I
think
that's
out
of
our
purview.
F
Mike
you
know,
I've
always
been
fascinated
that
the
sign
ordinance
doesn't
sort
of
take
proportion
into
account.
I'm
okay
with
the
sign.
I
walked
the
neighborhood
and
saw
the
the
city
center
sign
and
thought
to
myself.
Okay
sign
on
the
building
it
didn't
occur
to
me,
these
other
comments.
That
is
the
sign
necessary.
F
It's
a
very
good
point.
I'm,
I
think
I'd
vote
for
the
sign
if
it
were
glaring
or
something
I'd,
I'd
have
more
of
a
problem,
but
it
does
seem
a
little
bit
silly.
E
I
mean
the
like:
the
type
of
outdoor
lighting,
that's
approved
at
nighttime
by
the
city
is
part
of
side
plan.
Yeah
right
am,
I
gonna
like
see
a
big
eye
coming
down
from
the
airport
like,
I
feel
like.
That's
the
only
way.
You're
gonna
see
this
right,
it's
like
on
a
plane,
but.
C
C
So
and
not
to
interrupt,
but
maybe
I'll
just
answer
the
question
right:
it's
it's
an
internally
illuminated
sign,
so
it
doesn't
have
any
glare
upwards.
When
we
talk
about
dark
sky
compliance,
so
it's
face
lit,
and
I
believe
you
know
that
in
the
past
you
know
there
could
even
be
provisions
for,
should
the
signs
be
approved,
there
could
be
provisions
for
you
know
if
the
sign
is
lit
or
not
lit
in
terms
of
like
through
the
night
hours
right.
C
So
obviously
this
is
a
residential
building,
so
it
doesn't
really
have
an
hours
of
operation
like
a
business.
Would
where
you
could
turn
the
business
sign
off,
but
I'll
also
offer
to
the
same
kind
of
lighting
aspect
to
it.
C
C
From
the
building
it
kind
of
blends,
in
with
you
know,
if
people
have
their
lights
on
even
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning,
it's
kind
of
still
the
the
same
aesthetic.
I
guess,
if
that
makes
sense,.
A
All
right,
I
think,
I'll,
try
to
sum
up
some
of
this
right.
The
the
specs
by
which
the
the
sign
ordinance
comes
into
play
here
is
a
little
bit
different
than
the
usual
criteria
that
we
go
off
of
sounds
like
well
megan
regarding
environmental
impact
for
factors
considered.
Can
we
take
into
consideration
what
the
planning
board
has
said
in
their
previous
meeting?
If
they
don't
have
a
letter
in
front
of
us
tonight,.
B
They
don't
have
a
letter
the
and
they
did
do
environmental
review
for
the
project
as
a
whole
with
kind
of
the
generic
sign
package.
You're
certainly
welcome
to
I
address
any
environmental
factors
specific
to
the
signs
you
know
such
as
you
know,
lighting
could
be
one
that
we've
talked
about
in
the
past
things
like
that.
So,
yes,
you
can
bring
it
up
here.
If
you've
observed
the
planning
board
meetings
yourselves
and
want
to
report
back
on
something,
you
can
certainly
bring
that
up.
A
Okay,
it's
just
that
the
meeting
the
recent
planning
board
meeting,
which
they
they
talked
about
this
they
brought
up
questions
of
character
of
the
neighborhood
public
interest
right,
so
sort
of
pertaining
to
views
and
vistas.
How
the
branding
would
sort
of
just
flow
up
in
the
sky
and
and
wasn't
necessarily
necessary
or
in
the
character
of
the
neighborhood,
is
how
I
saw
it.
A
A
It
also
appears
to
me
that
board
members
aren't
really
opposed
to
going
over
the
the
allotment
and
square
foot.
The
question
is:
do
you
need
your
your
eye
high
up
in
the
sky
there,
or
maybe
you
approach
something
like
like
a
like,
a
variance
that
that
has
already
occurred
nearby.
A
B
Right
sorry,
david,
I
was
just
I
just
wanted
to
share,
though
you
do
have
the
option.
If
you
want
to
wait
for
the
formal
written
planning
board,
recommendation
and
site
plan
approval,
that
is
an
option
to
the
board
as
well
andre.
Sorry,
it
took
me
a
minute
to
dig
up
the
information
you
asked
for,
but
in
comparison
that
projecting
sign
is
a
hundred
square
feet
on
the
city
center
building.
B
It
starts
at
the
fourth
story
and
goes
to
the
sixth
story.
It
looks
like
I
mean,
because
it's
a
pretty
long,
thin
sign
so
at
least
on
the
renderings.
That's
what
I
can
see
on
that
particular
one.
B
Yeah
it
well,
it's
it's
two
stories
down,
but
it's
also
a
completely
different
design.
I
would
say
as
well
for
comparison's
sake
like
this
is
a
projecting
sign
hanging
off
the
side
of
the
building,
as
opposed
to
one
that's
melted
flush
with
the
wall
near
the
top.
B
I
think
the
in
terms
of
like
the
how
the
sign
ordinance
requirements
are
applied.
I
think
the
what
sites
that
joe
noted
being
the
hilton
and
also
the
marriott
as
well
are
more
of
that
same
style
as
opposed
to
city
center,
which
is
a
projecting
sign.
A
E
I
I
think
that
they
probably
got
some
useful
information
from
this
meeting
and
I
think
we
should
give
it
another
month,
but
I'd
be
fine
voting
on
the
lower
sign
of
type
4
sign.
If
that
matters
to
the
applicant.
You
know,
I
think,
we're
all
agreement
that
that's
fine,
I
almost
would
be
more
anyway.
Yeah
I'd
be
fine
voting
for
the
type
four
I'd.
I
think
it
would
be.
I
don't
know
if
I
want
to
vote
on
the
other
ones,
yet
I
don't
want
to
vote
on
the
other
ones.
Yet.
G
A
Okay,
megan.
G
If
we
were
to
make
pictures
andre,
I'm
sorry
I'm
on
the
same
page
as
andre.
If
we
want
to
do
the
type
four
we
can
just
get
that
out
of
the
way,
but
I
think
we
should
see
what
the
planning
board
has
to
say
or
I'm
sorry.
I
got
the
types
wrong,
but
the
significance
aren't
fine.
We
can
do
that
if
we
want
the
logos,
I
think
we
should
see
what
the
blending
board
says.
G
A
C
I'll
jump
in
and
say
that
the
building,
if
you
saw
it
today,
is,
is
still
only
a
concrete
structure.
That's
probably
two
stories
high,
so
some
projects
may
be
very
interested
and
you
know
I
have
to
get
the
sign
approved
because
I
got
to
buy
it
tomorrow
and
have
it
put
in
by
the
time
I
open
next
month
so
respecting
the
boards
at
least
discussion.
C
I'm
not
sure
it
really
makes
sense
to
parcel
out
the
application
and
and
legally
maybe
megan's
got
an
answer
for
that,
but
it's
probably
cleaner
to
motion
the
table.
You
know
till
the
next
meeting
and
you
guys
can
collect
your
information
and
and
save
the
save
the
ultimate
decision,
for
you
know
what
you
feel
like
for
for
the
next
meeting.
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
fine.
A
B
Recommend
that
as
well
I
mean
technically,
we
can
separate.
However,
even
if
the
the
ithacan
channel
letters
were
approved
tonight,
I
cannot
issue
the
sign
permit
until
the
final
package
as
a
whole
is
approved,
so
it
doesn't
get
that
much
further
ahead
and
well.
The
construction
is
coming
along.
Well,
I
don't
think
it'll
be
done
by
next
month.
B
I
would
just
somebody
should
make
a
motion
to
table
this
appeal
for
until
we
receive
the
information
from
the
planning
board
and
we
can
vote
on
that.
So.
G
B
All
right
so
yeah
we
can
do
a
show
of
hands
here.
Let
me
just.
A
Okay,
is
there
a
vote
on
whether
or
not
to
table
this
appeal?
Let's
see,
let
me
get
you.
The
exact
number
appeal
number.
A
Okay,
I
make
a
motion
to
is
there
a
vote
for
appeal,
tabling
motion
tabling
appeal?
Three
two:
two
six
raise
of
hands.
B
Okay,
so
that
motion
carries
brian
I'll,
follow
up
with
you
in
the
next
couple
days.
C
Yeah-
and
just
I
mean
my
understanding
is
obviously
there
wasn't
anything
asked
for
me
to
prepare
it's
just
that
the
board's
gonna
get
that
written
recommendation
from
the
planning
board.
Bring
that
back
to
the
next
meeting
as
part
of
your
materials
to
consider,
and
then
we'll
we'll
be
at
the
next
meeting.
So
let.
H
B
So
if
it
should
come
up
that
there
are
changes
say
coming
out
of
the
discussion
with
the
planning
board,
I
would
discuss
that
with
brian
and
the
team
and
we
could
go
from
there.
So
that
certainly
is
a
possibility.
B
C
B
Okay,
so
our
next
appeal
is
number
3228
for
132
cherry
street
appeal
of
property
owner
132,
cherry
clinton,
llc
for
an
area,
variance
from
section
325,
8,
column,
11,
front
yard,
requirements
of
the
zoning
ordinance.
The
applicant
proposed
proposes
to
demolish
the
existing
building
on
the
site
and
construct
two
five-story
mixed-use
buildings
that
will
contain
two
commercial
spaces:
143
residential
units,
48
parking
spaces
and
other
tenant
amenities.
The
applicant
is
proposing
to
site
the
buildings
eight
feet
from
the
inside
edge
of
the
new
sidewalk.
B
The
zoning
ordinance
requires
all
buildings
in
the
cherry
street
district
to
be
located
a
minimum
of
15
feet
from
the
inside
edge
of
the
sidewalk.
The
applicant
is
requesting
a
variance
from
the
front
yard
requirement
in
order
to
locate
the
building
within
the
setback
range
from
the
street
that
is
mandated
by
new
york
state
fire
code.
The
property
is
located
in
the
cherry
street
district
in
which
the
proposed
use
is
permitted.
However,
section
325-38
requires
that
an
area
variance
be
granted
before
a
building
permit
can
be
issued.
A
Hey
whenever
you're
ready
we're
a
little
over
time
on
our
schedule,
but
please
take
it
away
whenever
you're
ready.
B
B
D
Thanks
I
had
to
drop
off
and
rejoin.
I
was
having
a
problem
with
my
audio
hi,
I'm
scott
salem,
with
with
cjs
architects
here
representing
the
owner
of
132
cherry
street
I'll
share
my
screen.
A
D
Okay,
so
132
cherry
street
is
a
mixed-use
residential,
new
mixed-use,
residential
building,
located
on
cherry
street
at
the
corner
of
of
cecil
malone
and
the
season
malone
extension.
D
You
know
two
buildings
with
approximately
143
residential
units.
It's
you
know,
adjacent
to
the
you
know
soon
to
be
coming:
black
diamond
trail
extension
and
new
new.
D
Bridge
on
the
on
the
south
side
of
the
site,
you
know
just
discussions
with
city
planning
and
dpw.
It
also
sounds
like
there'll,
be
a
new
tcap
bus
stop
located
in
front
of
the
building.
D
D
D
So
you
know
just
moving
out
to
you
know
some
of
the
zoning
it
is
in
the
cherry
street
district.
You
know
the
parcel
size
is
1.37
acres,
there's
no
minimum
size
in
the
district.
D
Our
lot
coverage
is
56.
You
know
which
is
well
under
the
70
percent.
Max
around
22
of
the
site
is
grass
or
landscaping.
You
know
again
well
over
the
the
15
minimum
and
the
building
heights
under
the
maximum,
approximately
43
parking
spaces
in
the
building
and
seven
on
the
street.
D
So
you
know
moving
on
to
the
yards.
The
you
know
the
variance
we're
seeking
is
for
the
the
front
yard.
So
you
know
in
this
cherry
street
district.
The
requirement
is
now
that
you
know
the
building
be
located
15
feet
from
the
inside
edge
of
sidewalk.
D
You
know
the
variance
that
we're
requesting
is,
you
know,
20
feet
from
the
property
line
at
the
first
floor
and
then
15
feet
at
you
know,
portions
of
the
floor.
Above
you
know
going
back
to
this
image.
I
guess
you
know
the
one
thing
I
didn't
point
out,
that
is,
that
a
portion
of
the
building
you
know
steps
out
and
overhangs
the
base
of
the
building
sort
of
this
central
central,
great
portion.
D
And
then
on
the
south
side
with
the
waterfront
trail,
since
that's
also
a
public
way,
that's
a
you
know.
Megan's
told
us
that
that's
considered
secondary
front
yard,
which
again
would
require
the
15
feet
feet
from
the
edge
of
sidewalk,
which
is
the
trail
in
that
case,
and
you
know
we're
set
back
approximately
35
feet
from
the
edge
of
that
sidewalk
or
trail.
D
D
So,
as
you
can
see,
you
know
on
the
cherry
street
side
of
the
building
that
that
property
line
is
also
the
the
inside
edge
of
the
parking
curb
and
then
there's
a
tree
lawn
and
then
the
sidewalk,
and
you
know
the
reason
for
this
variance
request
is
that
the
fire
code
of
new
york
state
for
any
any
building
over
30
feet
high
requires
the
aerial
access
fire
road
in
front
of
the
building,
or
you
know,
on
one
side
of
the
building
which
you
know
in
this
case.
D
Cherry
street
is
the
only
street
that
this
building
is
on
that
that
aerial
access
fire
road
has
to
be
located
less
than
15
feet
and
not
greater
than
30
feet
from
the
building
and
shall
be
positioned
parallel
to
one
entire
side
of
the
building
and
then
the
side
of
the
building
which
the
aerial
fire
apparatus
access
road
is
positioned
shall
be
approved
by
the
by
the
fire
code
official.
D
You
know
we
have
discussed
this
with
tom
parsons.
He
he
agrees
that
you
know
cherry
street
is
the
aerial
access
fire
road
and
that
you
know
in
order
to
meet
the
the
fire
code
requirements.
D
You
know
we
would
need
to
seek
this.
This
yard
variance
area,
variance.
D
So
I
also
put
together
a
you
know:
section
diagram
showing
the
you
know
the
street
condition.
So
you
know
these
lines
in
in
blue
are
the
property
lines
you
know
with
this.
This
50
feet
foot
cherry
street
right
away
and
then
it
you
know,
as
I
said,
the
property
line
will
basically
be
on
the
on
the
parking
curb
the
inside
edge
of
the
parking
curve.
D
You
know
with
the
tree
lawn
the
sidewalk
and
another
tree
lawn
located
between
that
curb
in
the
building.
The
aerial
access
road
would
start
at
the
outside
edge
of
the
parking
curb.
Since
you
know,
the
trucks
can
reach
over
the
parked
cars,
but
you
know,
as
I
said,
that
aerial
access
to
required
aerial
access
would
have
to
fall
between
these
two
red
lines
between
15
feet
or
30
feet.
D
You
know
from
the
edge
of
that
aerial
access
fire
road,
you
know,
so
you
can
see
that
the
dark
gray
is
the
face
of
the
majority
of
the
building
and
the
entire
first
floor.
And
then
this
lighter
gray
would
be
the
you
know:
the
portions
of
the
floors
above
and
portions,
of
the
building
that
overhang.
D
That
first
story,
you
know
so
we're
at
either
20
foot,
six
from
the
property
line
or
the
15
foot
six
from
the
property
line
you
know,
which
is
why
the
variance
we're
seeking
is,
for
you
know,
20
feet
at
the
first
floor,
15
feet
of
portions
of
the
floors
above.
D
A
Thank
you
board
members,
just
real
quick.
This
isn't
a
voting
item
tonight
and
we'll
be
keeping
the
public
hearing
open.
But
with
that
does
anyone
have
questions
to
start
off.
D
So
yeah
exactly
so
the
way
this
this
front
yard
requirement
is
written
in
this
cherry
street
district
is
15
feet
from
the
inside
edge
of
sidewalk
and
in
this
case
the
you
know
there
is
no
existing
sidewalk
on
cherry
street,
so
this
sidewalk
is
being
constructed.
You
know
as
part
of
our
project.
You
know
the
city
also
desires
a
tree
lawn
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
parking
you
know
so
yeah,
that's
that's!
D
A
D
D
B
Okay,
so
board
members
you'll
notice
on
your
work
sheets.
I
provided
to
you.
It
was
for
the
first
floor.
The
the
largest
efficiency
is
applicants
noted
is
on
the
upper
stories,
which
is,
you
know,
is
13
feet
instead
of
deficiency,
as
opposed
to
what
was
noted
on
the
worksheet.
That
was
an
error.
G
Is
the
has
the
I
guess,
the
city,
giving
you
any
leeway
in
where
they're
putting
the
sidewalk
or
is
it
just
here's
where
the
sidewalks
going?
This
is
what
you
have
to
deal
with
figure
it
out.
D
I
would
say:
there's
you
know:
we've
had
conversations
with
with
planning
and
dpw
and
there's
you
know
a
desire
for
a
six
foot
wide
sidewalk.
Instead
of
a
five
foot
wide
sidewalk,
you
know
there's
a
desire
for
a
substantial
tree
lawn
between
the
sidewalk
and
the
parking
curb
you
know
which
we're
trying
to
provide.
We
did
look
at
some
other
options
earlier
on
that
would
have
you
know,
eliminated
this
tree
lawn.
You
know
to
get
the
parking
or
the
sidewalk
out
further,
but
you
know
that's
that's
not
a
desirable
condition.
A
D
Well
so
we're
like
10
and
a
half
feet,
I
think,
from
the
property
line,
but
then
there's
you
know
over
25
feet
from
the
property
line
to
the
top
of
bank.
So
we're
you
know
over
35
feet
from
the
top
of
bank.
D
No,
no,
no!
No!
No!
No
well
end
up,
I
mean
we
can't
shift
everything
back
because,
as
I
said,
you
know,
the
reason
we're
pursuing
this
variance
is
is
for
the
new
york
state
fire
code
that
face
of
the
building
has
to
be
located
between
these
two
red
lines,
between
15
feet
and
30
feet
from
that
edge
of
the
aerial
access
fire
road
which
starts
at
the
you
know,
at
the
parking.
A
Does
that
answer
your
questions,
joe
yep?
Okay,
I
think
with
that
megan.
Are
there
any
comments
or
people
here
to
speak.
B
I
have
not
yet
received
any
written
comments,
nor
do
I
have
anyone
signed
up
to
speak
tonight,
so
we
don't
have
anything
yet.
The
planning
board
hasn't
commented
on
this,
yet
they'll
do
so
next
month.
So
when
we
continue
the
public
hearing
next
month,
I
can
share
their
feedback.
B
I'm
sorry
I
missed,
I
thought
we
said
yes,
it'd,
be
better
to
open
the
public
hearing
and
we'll
leave
it
open
until
you
at
the
september
meeting
when
you'll
close
it
and
have
the
board's
final
deliberations.
Although
I'm
sure
the
applicant
would
like
to
hear
some
preliminary
feedback
tonight.
A
G
Joe
yeah,
it's
you
know,
it
could
be
said.
It's
a
little
big,
it's
almost
50
of
deficient,
but
with
the
fire
code
problems,
let's
be
honest.
G
A
E
E
A
Okay,
I
I
agree.
I
think
that
the
benefit
sought
by
the
felon
will
in
turn
create
community
benefits,
and
I
think
the
size
of
the
ask
is
reasonable,
so
it
sounds
like
with
that.
Sir.
We
will
see
you
both
in
september
unless
you
have
any
questions
for
us
before
you
know
you
carry
on
with
your
project.
B
Okay,
so
that
concludes
tonight's
appeals,
but
we
have
another.
We
have
a
presentation
next,
if
that
is
okay,.
D
B
Ahead
and
admit,
I
think
chris
petrillos
and
jason
demarest
for
the
108
110
college
avenue.
G
A
B
I
think
we
could
probably
do
a
presentation
itself
within
explaining
the
changes
jason
with
about
within
about
five
minutes
and
then
some
time
for
board
discussion.
If
that
works.
Okay,.
H
Okay,
let's
zoom
in
a
little
so
college
ave
on
the
right
108
is
the
square
house
below
110.
The
project
is
going
to
consolidate
the
property,
there's
a
existing
garage
right
on
the
the
west
or
rear
property
and
just
wanted
to
orient
everyone.
H
So
all
that
comes
out
and
we're
proposing
a
new
building
that
causes
a
row
house,
as
I
think,
you've
seen
in
in
megan's
analysis
we're
we're
over
the
rear
set
setback
by
about
five
feet:
six
feet:
it's
15.9,
we're
10.1
9.7
and
then
we're
over
on
lock
coverage
a
little
bit
just
one
thing
on
the
rear
setback.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
you
know
we're
improving
the
existing
condition
with
the
garage
existing
on
the
property
line
at
the
moment.
H
But
one
other
component
of
this
project
is
this:
is
a
cr4
zone
but
to
the
south
is
cr2
into
the
west?
Is
cr2
with
cr4
to
the
the
north,
the
top
of
the
screen
here.
H
So
you
know,
the
building
design
ends
up
a
little
bit
wider
to
make
a
double
loaded
corridor
work.
But
since
we
have
cr2
to
the
south,
we
tried
to
open
up
and
use
that
of
the
site
for
support
space
trash
recycling
enclosures
and
then
also
create
a
larger
buffer
zone.
As
that
zoning
steps
down
so
at
row,
house
design
technically,
we
could
go
right
to
the
property
lines,
but
it
doesn't
really
make
for
a
useful
site.
H
You
know
to
get
to
the
back
of
the
property
is
important
and
then
also
to
have
a
little
bit
more
more
usable
space.
So
so
we
thought
there's
a
little
bit
of
a
balance
next
to
that
southern
cr2,
and
then
we
do.
We
do
encroach
on
the
on
the
west
side
that
really
has
to
do
with
the
building
design.
Here
you
know
these
are
really
bare
minimum
apartment
sizes.
Bedrooms
are
about
nine
by
13.
H
You
know
very
minimal
kitchen
living
dining
space
sort
of
all
combined
together,
so
there's
not
much
more.
We
can
do
to
shrink
the
building
so
and,
like
I
said,
with
the
double
loaded
corridor
and
not
wanting
to
encroach
too
far
to
the
north
or
too
far
to
the
south.
It
it
set
that
parameter.
D
H
And
south
and
the
layout
just
grew
a
little
bit,
so
that's
what's
causing
the
the
encroachment
into
the
rear
yard
and
then
lock
coverage
were
over
things.
You
know
rounded
up
call
it
eight
percent
at
a
fifty
percent
max.
That
is
al,
also
just
a
function
of
trying
to
find
the
two
stair
towers,
the
elevator
for
a
four-story
building.
H
Actually
it
there
are
five
floors
with
a
finished
habitable
basement,
so
the
elevator
is
is
critical
in
that
regard,
and
then
economics
are
always
a
factor
up
here:
very
high
property
values
so
trying
to
maximum
units.
Back
in
june,
when
we
were
here,
we
had
a
five-story
building
and
a
height
variance
request,
so
we
were
asking
for
an
additional
story
and
that
really
felt
like
a
no-go.
H
So
we
we
squeezed
this
down
as
best
we
could,
but
we're
still
triggering
that
that
little
bit
of
excess
lot
coverage
yeah,
I
think
that'll
do
it.
I
can
fill
in
as
comments
come
in
chris.
I
don't
know
if
you
had
any
other
thoughts.
You
wanted
to
share.
E
A
E
So,
are
you
essentially
relative
to
the
plan
that
we
saw
last
month
the
previous
month?
Essentially
I
don't
remember
there
being
a
sub
basement
before
so.
Are
you
basically
digging
down
further
to
get
a
sub
basement
basement
apartments
and
that
sort
of
gives
you
is
this
the
same
number
of
apartments
versus
the
one
before
basically.
H
No,
it
was,
it
was
37
before
we're
at
34.
Now
there
was
a
typo
on
the
on
this
sheet.
It
was
the
old
37.
I
just
noted
it
here,
so
I
could
remind
myself
so
we're
done.
We've
lost
units
and
yeah.
We.
Basically
we
had
the
gym
in
the
in
the
basement
side
over
here
and
then
you
know
working
that
great
plane,
calculation
to
control
the
the
height
of
the
building
and
make
sure
that
didn't
violate
the
height
and
and
number
of
stories
gaining
habitable
space.
E
H
It's
interesting
by
by
building
code
it
it's
not
technically
required,
but
it's
required
by
the
tenants.
You
know
you
would
never
rent
this
building.
H
If
you
didn't
have
an
elevator
service,
that's
just
too
much
of
a
an
ask
for
for
tenants
and
it
doesn't
match
up
with
the
you
know
the
competition
in
in
college
town,
so
it
would
just
put
the
building
at
a
disadvantage
to
not
have
that.
Yeah.
A
G
G
Yeah,
I
don't
have
a
lot.
It's
it's
not
hugely
over
the
amount
of
space.
It's
not
hugely
too
far
into
the
setback.
Yeah.
I
don't
have
a
lot
here.
A
Megan
you,
you
were
talking
that
the
the
cr4
rear
yard
zoney
might
see
a
change
soon.
Is
there
an
update
on
that?
I.
B
Don't
have
a
date
to
be
honest,
it
is
somewhere
on
our
list
of
zoning
changes.
We
need
to
do,
but
I
can't
tell
you
when
that
when
that's
going
to
be
proposed,
but
as
I
mentioned
one
that
staff
will
propose,
I
don't
know
whether
it'll
be
included
or
approved
or
not
is
to
reduce
the
front
yard.
The
minimum
rear
yard.
B
Excuse
me
in
the
cr4
district
to
10
feet,
keeping
the
green
space
requirement
the
same
just
allowing
property
owners
to
distribute
the
green
spaces
they
choose
on
the
site,
as
opposed
to
basically
forcing
it
to
the
rear
yard.
A
When
you
guys,
eventually,
if
you
go
down
this
route,
is,
is
your
stated
hardships
still
mainly
financial,
or
is
there
any
other
component
that
you're
going
to
present
to
us
if
you're
going
to
pursue
this,
this.
H
Like
I
said,
I
think,
there's
always
the
financial
component.
The
the
other
factor
is,
we
could
add
another
row
house
in
to
comply
with
the
rear
yard,
but
it
it
really
impacts
the
the
viability
of
the
site.
It'd
be
different.
You
know,
row
houses
exist
when
there's
alleys
typically,
so
you
would
have
access
to
the
back
of
the
building
so
yeah.
It's.
A
Do
you
have
any
other
hardship
claim
for
the
lock
coverage,
as
you
know,
so
that
would
click
here,
the
rear
yard,
I'm
just
curious
about
the
overage
of
block
coverage.
If
there's
anything
you
you
can
do
there
or.
H
Yeah,
I
guess
lot
coverage
probably
falls
more
in
the
economics,
but
you
know-
and
I
can
just
if
we
were
to
comply
we'd-
have
to
lop
off
just
as
an
example
the
width
of
the
building
by
about
seven
and
a
half
it
would
take
out
ten
bedrooms,
so
it
would
have
a
big
you
know
if
the
building
had
to
end
right
here
to
meet
that
requirement,
and
that
includes
the
granting
the
rear
yard
variance.
You
know
it's
hard
to
say,
there's
a
definite
loss,
so
I
would
say
that
is
more.
H
H
H
A
H
We
go
this
month
for
the
first
meeting,
so
it
you
know
the
reason
why
we
came
back
with
the
reduced
design
just
to
to
just
get
a
get
a
feel.
We
know
there's
no
guarantees
at
this
point.
Hopefully
the
makeup
of
the
board
is
similar
by
the
time
we
come
back,
which
realistically,
with
the
process
october
at
best,
but
most
likely
november,
I
think,
is
when
we'll
be
back.
So
you
know
chris
as
the
developer.
A
Okay,
I
think
I
guess
I
would.
I
would
just
keep
a
check
on
on
the
financial
hardship
claim
right.
We've
we've
talked
about
it
somewhere.
That
can't
necessarily
be
the
only
hardship
referenced
right.
So
we
can
refer
to
that
and
we
can
ask
questions
about
that
and
we
can
try.
We
can
ask
for
evidence,
but
we
in
deliberating
the
criteria.
A
We
need
to
also
reference
something
else
that
pertains
to
hardship.
That's
what
we've
been
advised
on.
So
just
keep
that
in
mind
and
then
next
time
you
come
in
front
of
us
we'll
be
voting
on
it.
You
know
we're
not
doing
more
presentations,
so
yeah,
if
we
see
in
november-
or
I
don't
think
we'd
see
in
october,
but
yeah.
If
we
see
in
november
or
december,
then
we
plan
to
vote
on
it
then
yep
from
other
board
members
before
they
they
start
down
the
road.
A
I
guess
I
have
a
question.
Sorry,
real,
quick
just
about
what
what's
the
overall
sizing
of
the
balconies
for
each
balcony.
A
The
materiality
of
the
structure
still
would
frame
right.
You
were
able
to
address
some
of
those
concerns.
H
Yeah
and
and
in
the
there
is
the
site
plan
submission
but
yeah
it's
it's
wood
frame,
we're
still
playing
around
with
the
siding,
but
the
you
know:
here's
a
look
at
where
we
think
it's
headed
with
a
mansard
roof
and
you
know
trying
to
soften
that
that
upper
floor
and
change
the
material
height
wise
but
yeah.
It's
a
wood
frame,
construction
cost
wise
yeah.
B
I
don't
think
so,
I
think
kind
of
heard
some
feedback
from
some
of
the
board
members,
and
that
was
the
goal
and
I'll
coordinate
with
jason
and
chris
about
their
return
to
the
board,
which
probably
would
be,
I
don't
know
like.
I
said
it
won't
be
october,
but
it
could
be
november,
so
we'll
go
from
there.
B
B
Okay,
so
next
on
our
agenda
is
approval
of
draft
minutes.
I
sent
out
both
draftnets
from
june
and
july
2022
meetings,
courtesy
of
stella
who's
just
here
tonight,
helping
us
again.
So
if
the
board
has
any
revisions,
let
us
somebody
has
revisions,
let
us
know
so
we
can
make
them.
A
Okay
and
then
I'll
pull
the
can.
I
pull
everyone
at
the
same
time,.
A
B
B
Thank
you,
okay.
So
the
next
item
is
administrative
matters.
So
the
first
one
is
I'm
sorry
for
the
back
and
forth
about
rescheduling
the
september
bza
meeting.
I
heard
back
from
a
couple
of
you,
or
so
I
I'm
right
now
at
this
point
would
like
to
propose
monday
september
26
at
6
00
p.m,
and
I
think
that
worked
for
everybody
actually
now
that
the
late
emails,
I
think
I
heard
from
mike
2
and
joe
as
well
later
in
the
day
that
that
worked
for
them.
B
So
that's
where
we're
at
with
that.
Let
me
give
you
a
sneak
peek
at
the
agenda,
which
we
have
probably
the
return
of
tonight's
sign
variants.
B
And
then
we'll
also
have
a
telecommunications
appeal.
The
hive
at
132
cherry
that
we
saw
tonight
will
come
back
and
I
believe,
as
of
now
109
to
111
valentine's
place
is
scheduled
to
come
back.
So
we'll
have
four
to
five
appeals
depending
on
that
night
and
then.
F
B
D
Hey
those
are
tied
to
the.
E
The
governor's
extensions
of
the
covet
orders
effectively
and
the
current
one
is
set
to
expire
this
saturday.
I
believe
she
doesn't
like
to
give
us
any
advance
notice
whatsoever
as
to
whether.
B
I'll
keep
you
posted,
though
all
right,
so
I
guess
the
next
item
is
the
executive
session.
So
if
we
can
get
a
motion
and
second
to
move
into
and
vote
to
move
into
executive
session,
we
can
I'll
then
stop
the
and
again.
This
is
an
executive
session
to
discuss
matters
of
pending
litigation.