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A
B
All
right
great-
and
I
think
we
have
our-
we
have
everybody
that
we're
expecting
now
as
well,
so
we
will
call
our
city
administration
committee
meeting
to
order
for
our
november
meeting.
We
have,
I
know,
there's
one
modification
we
want
to
make
to
the
agenda
for
this
evening.
There
was
a
position
that
was
included
as
part
of
the
2021
budget
for
planning,
and
we
just
need
to.
We
just
need
to
be
able
to
approve
the
position
as
it
was
included
in
the
budget.
B
B
B
I
see
george
seconded
by
rob,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
our
october
minutes
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
So
we
are
now
up
to
public
comment.
I
did
not
receive
any
written
comments
for
this
meeting,
but
we
do
have
several
members
that
are
here
to
speak
and
just
to
remind
everyone
that
you
might
want
to.
B
If
you
are
speaking,
you
might
want
to
switch
to
gallery
view.
We
do
have
the
timer
you'll
have
three
minutes
to
speak,
we'll
try
to
sort
of
flag,
you
a
one-minute
warning,
but
the
best
way
to
do
that
is
to
be
able
to
see
this
link.
You
can
see
the
timer
counting
down
and
dan
will
be
admitting
you
to
speak
in
the
order
that
you
signed
up
and
you
will
all
have
three
minutes
each.
So
I
will
let
dan
start
that
process
thanks
dan
yeah.
C
D
Last
week
we
sent
along
the
powerful
official
report
from
the
state
of
new
hampshire
warning
of
the
dangers
of
5g
and
questioning
the
fcc's
actions
around
it.
One
of
the
codes
that
our
local
coalition
coalition
recommended
to
limit
these
towers
and
protect
against
harm
is
keeping
them
at
least
1500
feet
from
homes
based
on
scientific
studies.
This
kind
of
distance
was
considered
by
new
hampshire
in
its
own
deliberations.
D
D
So
I
urge
you
to
abide
by
this
scientific
advice
and
include
in
the
design
guidelines
a
1500
feet,
distance
between
towers
and
houses
and
schools.
Compare
this
to
those
ridiculously
low
eight
feet
currently
written
in
the
guidelines.
D
Many
other
cities
are
resisting
5g
by
implementing
this
kind
of
distancing
requirement
and
other
restrictive
codes.
At
times
the
telecom
companies
have
tried
to
bully
past
them.
It's
important
to
keep
a
few
things
in
mind.
First,
according
to
campanelli
who
has
worked
on
hundreds
of
cell
tower
cases,
these
companies
have
no
legal
standing
as
long
as
there
is
no
gap
in
service
coverage.
D
D
And
finally,
while
many
cities
around
the
country
have
resisted
telecoms
and
passed
strict
codes
similar
to
the
ones
we
proposed,
none
have
been
sued
by
the
telecoms
according
to
capinali,
they
talk
a
big
game,
but
they
haven't
sued
anyone
your
charge
as
council
is
devised
codes
to
protect
your
citizens,
safety
and
welfare,
given
the
mounting
evidence
of
harm
from
cell
towers
and
the
increasing
resistance
to
5g
around
the
country.
I
hope
you
will
courageously
stand
up
to
the
telecom
ministry.
D
E
Can
you
hear
me
tonight,
I
want
to
remind
you
that,
along
with
the
new
president,
we're
also
getting
a
new
fcc
chair
and
with
this,
according
to
industry,
insiders
there's
an
expectation
that
some
of
the
2018
legislation
around
5g
will
likely
be
reversed.
E
This
new
chair
of
the
fcc
is
likely
to
be
jessica
rosenwursel,
who
is
currently
on
the
commission,
and
she
has
been
outspoken
around
her
concerns
over
the
fcc's
overreach
in
limiting
state
and
local
authority
regarding
the
issue
of
small
cell
infrastructure
decisions.
E
E
Instead
of
working
with
our
state
and
local
partners
to
speed
the
way
to
5g
deployment,
we
cut
them
out.
We
tell
them
that
going
forward.
Washington
will
make
choices
for
them,
with
complete
disregard
for
the
fact
that
the
infrastructure
decisions
do
not
work
the
same
in
new
york,
new
york
as
they
do
in
new
york
iowa.
So
it
comes
down
to
this
three
unelected
officials
on
this
dais
are
telling
state
and
local
leaders
all
across
the
country
what
they
can
and
cannot
do
in
their
own
backyards.
E
This
is
extraordinary
federal
overreach.
I
do
not
believe
the
law
permits
washington
to
run
roughshod
over
state
and
local
authority
like
this,
and
I
worry
about
the
litigation
that
follows.
For
starters,
the
10th
amendment
reserves
powers
to
the
states
that
are
not
expressly
granted
to
the
federal
government.
E
Moreover,
the
assertion
that
fees
above
cost
or
local
aesthetic
requirements
are
tend
to
mount
to
a
service
prohibition
stretches
the
statute
beyond
what
congress
intended
and
legal
precedent
affords
again.
This
is
the
fcc
commissioner,
too
many
municipalities
to
count
have
called
on
the
fcc
to
halt
the
federal
invasion
of
local
authority.
Then
she
names
the
national
governors,
association,
national
conferences
of
state
legislatures,
a
bunch
of
other
people.
E
Unquote
again,
this
is
from
jessica,
rosen
and
watson,
rosen
wersel
of
the
fcc
she's,
currently
a
senior
commissioner
and
likely
to
be
the
chair,
and
I
bring
this
up
tonight
for
two
reasons:
one
well
actually.
First,
I
believe
the
telecoms
are
aware
of
this
change.
That's
coming
that
a
new
administration
will
likely
roll
back
some
of
the
blatant
overreach
and
nearly
unrestricted
rollout
around
5g,
and
so
they'll
no
doubt
be
making
a
desperate
push
in
these
next
couple
months
to
further
roll
out.
E
In
light
of
this,
I
hope
you
all
keep
two
things
in
mind
that
the
telecoms
are
private
companies.
They
are
not
public
utilities,
and
so
they
are
not
to
be
treated
the
same.
They
don't
have
the
same
rights
and
then
the
second
thing
is
that
our
own
city
code.
C
So
after
marie
now
is
irina
perez
and
then
jerome
gallano.
F
Hi
everybody,
my
name,
is
irina
perez
and
thanks
for
having
this
meeting
so
you
may
have
seen
this,
but
in
case
you
missed
it.
I
wanted
to
read
some
direct
quotes
from
the
recently
released
official
commission
on
5g
in
the
state
of
new
hampshire
quote,
to
become
acquainted
with
the
issues
relevant
to
5g
radiation
exposure
and
health.
F
The
commission
heard
from
10
recognized
experts
in
the
fields
of
physics,
epidemiology,
toxicology
and
public
policy
all,
but
the
presenter
representing
the
telecommunications
industry
acknowledged
the
large
body
of
peer-reviewed
research
that
shows
that
the
type
of
rf
radiation
generated
by
wireless
devices
can
have
a
deleterious
effect
on
humans.
The
world
health
organization
and
the
whole
insurance
industry
are
hedging
their
bets
against
rf
radiation
because
of
potential
harm.
F
The
significant
disconnect
between
the
fcc's
pronouncement
that
cell
phone
radiation
is
safe
and
the
findings
of
thousands
of
scientific
studies
was
one
of
the
major
issues
that
the
commission
sought
to
address.
Why
are
fcc
radio
frequency
exposure
limits
set
for
the
united
states
100
times
higher
than
countries
like
russia,
china,
italy,
switzerland
and
most
of
eastern
europe?
F
The
telecommunications
act
of
1996
was
adopted
before
the
health
risks
and
biological
effects
of
rf
radiation
to
the
human
body
were
fully
known
to
the
scientific
community
as
well
as
the
public.
Why
have
thousands
of
peer
reviews
showing
a
wide
range
of
statistically
significant
dna
damage,
brain
and
heart,
tumors,
infertility,
and
so
many
other
ailments
been
ignored
by
the
fcc?
F
So
this
report
from
new
hampshire
reiterates
many
of
my
concerns
about
5g
that
I've
been
expressing
for
months
now,
and
I
was
happy
to
hear
your
commitment
to
addressing
these
5g
concerns
and
the
codes.
I
trust
that
you've
been
working
diligently
with
campanelli
to
ensure
that
we
can
find
a
way
to
protect
the
well-being
of
ithacans.
F
A
G
G
G
It's
going
to
be
a
big
visual
change
to
the
beauty
of
our
tree-lined
streets
to
our
buildings,
and
if
you
look
at
the
antennas
that
have
been
hung
on
the
hotel
ithaca,
you
can
see
it's
quite
an
eyesore
and
especially
for
our
downtown
area.
The
many
you
know
huge
array
of
antennas
that
are
being
proposed
and
allowed
by
the
design
guidelines
base.
We
don't
know
what
exactly
verizon
will
do,
but
based
upon
what's
allowed
inside
guidelines,
I've
done
this
analysis.
I
sent
it
to
you
all
in
the
town
of
ithaca,
but
it's
gonna.
G
You
know
estimates
around
a
thousand
will
produce
about
900
tons
of
carbon
emissions
and
for
context
for
this
based
upon
the
city
of
ithaca
energy
action
plan.
This
would
be
more
than
the
water
delivery
facilities
plus
the
public
lighting
emissions.
So
that's
an
annual
thing
over
and
over
that's
going
to
be
just
adding
to
our
city.
G
I'm
also
very
concerned
the
really
old
they're
20
25
year
old,
outdated
fcc
guidelines
regulations
were
never
intended
for
this
dense.
You
know
amount
of
meshed
array,
network
of
of
radio
frequency
signals
and
that
are
being
proposed
by
verizon.
Here
and
how
are
you
going
to
make
sure
that
you,
you
know
you
hold
them
accountable
to
certify
them
annually,
as
is
specified
in
our
city
code?
You
know
I
want
to
emphasize
that
this
huge
infrastructure
change
to
our
city
is
not
something
that
we
should
rush
into.
G
In
closing
I'd
like
to
emphasize
again
that
I
think
the
city
of
ithaca
should
follow
what
the
town
of
dryden
others
are
doing
to
deal
with
the
internet
inequalities
and
instead
of
promoting
mobile,
you
know,
promoting
this
network
for
mobile
phones
is
which
you
know
it's
not
going
to
help
us
in
that
way.
What
we
really
need
is
high
speed,
secure
internet
for
home
businesses,
not
streaming
netflix
at
the
bus.
Stop.
G
B
Okay,
thank
you
so
I'll
go
to
responsive
council,
but
before
I
do,
I
will
just
give
everyone
the
update
that
they
have
been
asking
for
there's
nothing
on
our
agenda
this
evening.
B
That
is
related
to
5g,
but
just
so,
everyone
is
on
the
same
page
about
where
we
are
at
so
the
last
action
that
the
council
took
was
to
declare
itself
lead
agency,
so
we
could
actually
move
forward
in
modifying
and
reviewing
the
design
guidelines,
and
then
we
entered
budget
season
so
for
most
of
you
know,
september
and
october,
especially
the
strange
unprecedented
conditions
of
the
pandemic,
forcing
us
to
meet
this
way
and
differently.
We've
sort
of
slowed
some
of
our
normal
processes
down,
so
we
didn't
do
really
much
with
it
through
the
budget
season.
B
However,
we
had
reached
out
to
some
other
municipalities
to
see
if
they
were
interested
in
joining
up
and
looking
at
using
the
services
of
mr
campanelli
together
as
a
joint
effort-
and
you
know
once
some
of
those
conversations
and
negotiations
were
worked
through,
the
city
has
has
decided
to
just
move
forward
as
its
own
entity
to
hire
mr
campanelli,
so
that
process
has
just
started.
B
So
I
expect
that
we
will
see
the
design
guidelines
with
the
input
from
mr
campanelli
over
the
next
couple
of
months
and
they'll
come
back
to
this
body
for
review
and
ultimate
approval.
So
that
is
the
latest
information
that
I
have,
and
I
and
I
do
see
ari
on
here.
So
if
anyone
on
council
has
any
specific
questions,
but
it's
not
on
our
agenda
for
this
evening.
B
So
if
you
want
a
quick
clarification,
we
can
do
that,
but
and
then
I'll
open
the
floor
to
response
from
anyone
else
on
council
and
thank
you
to
everybody
that
spoke
this
evening.
B
H
Thanks
deb,
thank
you
for
the
everyone
who
spoke
tonight
is
very
helpful,
solid
information,
I'd
like
to
ask
deb
and
ari
what
are.
Are
we
as
a
council,
going
to
put
together
the
the
guidelines,
or
is
somebody
in
administration
going
to
do
that,
and
then
council
react
to
it.
B
B
Else
all
right
so
we'll
get
into
our
voting
items.
We
have
a
couple
of
items
on
the
consent
agenda.
Is
there
someone
that's
willing
to
move
that
duckson
seconded
by
rob?
Thank
you
all
those
in
favor
of
our
consent,
agenda
items
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you,
our
3.1.
B
H
H
3.1
east
state
street
mlk
junior
street
mill
and
pave
resolution
authorizing
implementation
and
funding
in
the
first
instances,
100
of
the
federal
aid,
eligible
costs
and
state
march
of
sally
program,
aid
eligible
cost
of
a
transportation,
federal
aid
project
and
appropriating
funds.
H
Therefore,
whereas
project
for
state
street
route,
79
mill
and
pave
from
here
on
called
the
project
is
eligible
for
funding
under
title
23
u.s
code
as
amended,
it
calls
for
the
apportionment
of
the
cost
of
such
program
to
be
born
at
the
ratio
of
80
percent
federal
funds
and
20
percent
non-federal
funds,
and
whereas
the
city
of
ithaca
desires
to
advance
the
project
by
making
a
commitment
of
100
of
the
non-federal
share
of
the
costs
of
preliminary
engineering
and
design
and
whereas
preliminary
engineering
and
design
are
exempt
from
further
environmental
review
as
type
2
actions.
H
H
Okay
for
the
east
state
street
mlk
junior
street
mill
and
pave
to
include
the
project
costs
of
300
000,
and
it
is
further
resolved
that,
in
the
event,
the
full
federal
and
non-federal
share
costs
of
the
project
exceed
the
amount
appropriated
above
the
common
council.
The
city
of
ithaca
shall
convene
as
soon
as
possible
to
appropriate
said.
B
J
J
The
construction
phases
are
on
the
transportation
improvement
program
for
about
1.67
million
dollars
for
both
construction
and
inspection,
but
those
aren't
scheduled
until
2014.
So
it's
a
little
farther
out.
We
get
a
couple
years
of
design
before
we'd
be
able
to
get
to
construction,
so
this
is
really
just
for
the
engineering
and
design
piece
to
get
us
through
the
federal
aid
process.
K
Yeah,
just
tim
just
a
reminder
when
we
do
these
80
20
splits,
if
the
cost
of
the
project
exceeds
the
total
amount,
is
the
federal
portion
just
up
to
that
dollar
amount,
or
will
it
continue
to
do
an
80,
20
split.
J
It
would
be
80
20
up
to
that
dollar
amount
unless
we're
able
to
work
through
the
ithaca,
tompkins
county
transportation
council
to
allocate
more
federal
aid
right
now,
currently
that
plan's
pretty
well
booked.
So
there's
not
more
federal
aid
available.
So
yeah
we're
it's
incumbent
upon
us
to
try
to
stay
within
that
budget.
If
we
can
all
right
thanks
for
that.
H
So
is
this
new
money
after
our
budget
approval
last
month.
M
Yeah,
it
is
again
we're
always
looking
for
these,
these
good
projects
that
have
mostly
outside
source
and
less
city
sources
to
fund.
So
this
is
this
is
one
of
those
projects
and
again
it's
improving
our
infrastructure,
so
yeah.
This
is
a
good
project
for
us
and
just
to
note
that
the
project
number
will
be
880.
B
All
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously
thank
you
and
when
I
say
unanimously,
these
are
all
four
to
zero
denise.
Just
so
we're
marking
that
down.
We
have
a
discussion.
Tim
asked
to
be
put
onto
the
agenda.
I
believe
to
give
us
an
overview
and
to
maybe
take
the
temperature
of
what
we
might
feel
about
pursuing
this
project.
So
I'll
just
turn
it
over.
Do
you
have
an
actual
presentation,
or
you
just
want
to
give
us
a
few
points
and
we'll
open
the
floor
to
discussion.
J
No,
I
don't
have
a
presentation,
mostly.
We
just
wanted
to
have
a
short
discussion,
so
you
may
have
seen
in
the
newspaper
that
the
city
was
awarded
this
federal
build
grant
for
a
redesign
of
the
route
13
corridor
from
about
purity
to
approximately
fall
creek
on
the
north
side
of
the
city,
and
this
is
a
grant
that
the
city
has
been
applying
for
five
or
six
years
in
a
row.
I
think
something
on
that
order
and
our
planning
department
has
led
that
effort
and
then
kind
of
out
of
the
blue
somewhat
surprised.
J
J
But
the
construction
funding
is
not
allocated
at
this
time
that
we'd
have
to
go
back
and
reapply
to
this
competitive
program.
There's
some
sense
that
if
you're
awarded
a
planning
grant
that
you're
kind
of
in
a
good
position
to
ultimately
get
the
construction
funding,
but
that's
not
necessarily
guaranteed.
J
So
when
the
the
grant
was
awarded
based
on
the
application
which
we
included,
the
executive
summary
in
your
agenda
tonight
for
a
total
project,
cost
of
approximately
2.6
million
dollars
and
that's
enough
money
to
get
all
the
way
through
to
construction
documents
on
a
project
that
would
ultimately
have
a
construction
cost
of
somewhere
upwards
of
15
million
dollars.
That's
a
full
reconstruction
of
route
13
to
put
in
a
center
tree
lined
like
median
island.
It's
this
urban
boulevard
concept.
J
That's
in
our
comprehensive
plan
put
in
sidewalks
on
both
sides
of
the
highway
to
enclose
the
drainage
street
trees
along
the
sides,
improved
crossings
along
the
way.
We've
talked
a
little
bit
of
this
recently
with
some
of
the
development
projects
for
carpenter,
business
park
and
city
harbor,
but
we
included
those
in
the
grant
because,
of
course,
we've
been
applying
for
that
for
years.
J
J
So
we
get
the
award
but
of
course
we're
in
covet
budgeting
times,
and
so
the
question
really
that
we
wanted
to
have
some
discussion
with
you
about
tonight
was
whether
you
have
a
financial
stomach
to
really
try
to
follow
the
financial
plan
that
was
in
the
grant,
which
is
a
2.6
million
dollar
project.
But
in
this
case
it's
not
an
80
20
split
like
the
project
we
just
talked
about.
J
This
grant
was
written
to
be
a
50
50
split
with
the
idea
that
we'd
be
more
competitive
to
get
a
chance
to
get
the
federal
aid
that
would
put
the
city
on
the
hook
for
1.3
million
dollars
approximately,
but
that
would
get
us
through
construction
documents.
Again
it
doesn't
get
us
to
construction,
it's
just
to
do
all
the
nepa
and
environmental
review
that
comes
along
with
it.
Looking
at
different
alternatives,
we
could
explore.
You
know
pedestrian
crossings
of
route
13
that
might
go
over
the
highway
or
under
the
highway
or
at
grade
et
cetera.
J
We
could
do
a
lot
of
big
picture
planing
work,
but
we
could
also
get
through
engineering
into
construction
documents
in
staff
discussions.
More
recently,
we've
wondered
if
that
might
be
more
than
we
really
have
the
financial
stomach
for,
particularly
if
our
end
product
is
really
a
set
of
construction
bidding
documents
and
not
really
anything
else,
and
so
we've
been
wondering
whether
it
made
sense
to
scale
back
and
do
about
half
of
that
work.
That
would
still
allow
us
to
have
a
pretty
robust
planning
study.
J
We
could
look
at
a
lot
of
alternatives
at
intersection
improvements
or
over
or
under
crossing
improvements,
figure
out
how
the
intersection
works
back
by
the
farmers
market
et
cetera.
We
could
still
do
preliminary
engineering
to
a
certain
point.
We
could
get
through
environmental
review
and
get
a
sense
of
what
the
costs
are
and
what
the
right-of-way
impacts
are.
J
We
could
deal
with
some
of
the
preliminary
planning
that
needs
to
happen
with
the
railroad
crossing,
but
we
could
stop
at
that
point
and
not
get
through
final
construction
documents
and
specifications
and
all
that
that
would
put
us
in
a
good
position
still
to
apply
for
the
balance
of
design,
work
and
construction.
But
we
would
put
that
off
to
another
day,
so
that
would
put
us
somewhere
more
like
a
1.3
total
million
dollar
project
for
this
design
and
the
city
would
split
that
50
50..
N
N
J
The
way
that
we
put
together
the
budget
for
the
grant
application
really
was
to
try
to
get
a
handle
of
what
we
thought.
The
cost
of
construction
might
be
and
then
scale
that
back
based
on
our
typical
percentages
for
engineering
and
design
for
these
federal
aid
projects,
which
is
about
25
of
the
construction
costs.
So
we
use
some
big
planning
numbers
that
the
state
provides
for.
You
know
how
many
millions
of
dollars
it
costs
per
urban
mile
to
build
a
street
with
enclosed
drainage,
etc.
J
So
our
expectation
would
be
that
our
engineering
costs
would
be
on
the
order
of
2.6
million
dollars
in
cash
that
we
would
be
paying.
You
know,
invoices
to
consultants
for
they.
I
think
we
are
allowed
to
have
some
in-kind
contributions,
but
we
wouldn't
be
doing
any
of
the
engineering
ourselves.
So
there's
really
not
a
lot
that
we'd
be
contributing
from
the
staff
time
perspective
that
would
be
eligible
to
be
reimbursed
because
most
of
our
costs
would
be
just
in
paying
invoices.
J
We'd
still
keep
the
50
50
ratio,
but
yes,
we
would
so
to
speak,
not
kind
of
encumber
some
of
the
federal
aid
instead
of
1.3
million
dollars
in
federal
aid.
In
order
to
do
a
2.6
million
dollar
project,
we
could
secure
600
or
seven
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
federal
aid
to
do
a
project
twice
that
scale
yeah.
J
To
be
honest,
I
don't
really
know
the
best
strategy.
I'd
probably
go
back
to
the
planning
department
to
kind
of
figure
out
what
the
best
strategy
is.
I
I
don't
know
that
anybody
thinks
the
city
would
be
able
to
handle
a
50
of
a
15
million
construction
project
down
there.
J
So
my
guess
is:
we
would
try
to
get
more
federal
aid
for
that,
but
in
order
to
be
successful,
you're
competing
against.
You
know
places
all
over
the
country
trying
to
get
these
build
grants.
So
I
I
just
don't
really
know
the
best
strategy
for
that.
To
be
honest,.
N
B
K
J
We
should
probably
make
the
decision
on
the
scope
of
the
project
in
the
next
month
or
two,
so
we
have
a
little
bit
of
time,
which
is
why
we
want
to
at
least
have
a
beginning
conversation
here,
we're
still
going
through
some
of
the
trainings,
with
the
state
and
federal
highway
to
figure
out
how
to
do
the
administration
of
the
build
grant
itself.
J
But
we're
going
to
probably
need
to
make
that
decision
in
early
january.
Late
january
is
my
guess
and.
K
Is
this
something
that
I'll
go
to
the
full
council
at
the
next
meeting?
Is
that
the
intent.
J
B
K
B
Is
this
something
where
I
don't
know
how
competitive
this
money
is?
If
we
were
to
turn
it
down
completely,
then,
would
that
close,
some
pathways
to
future
funding
potentially.
J
That's
a
great
question.
I
again,
I
don't
don't
really
know
the
answer,
but
the
build
program
itself.
My
sense
is
it's
such
a
competitive
program
that
if
we
don't
take
advantage
of
this
now,
I
think
yes,
there's
probably
some
chance
that
we're
not
likely
to
get
another
one
for
basically
the
exact
same
scope
of
work.
J
J
It
wouldn't
get
you
through
the
nepa
review,
which
is
often
a
really
big
deal
for
the
feds,
also
to
see
that
we've
met
the
nepa
requirements,
but
you
know
I
think
the
city
has
the
anywhere
between
zero
and
what
we
were
applied
for,
I
think,
is
really
our
full
options.
H
J
Yeah
yeah,
we
said,
fall
creek,
so
a
little
farther
than
the
day
willow,
intersection
kind
of
that's.
Where
kind
of
you
have
enough
room
to
make
a
transition,
as
people
are
coming
in
past,
the
stuart
coming
downhill
if
you're,
southbound
and
approaching
the
city
that
fall
creek
is
kind
of
like
the
moment
of
gateway
treatment.
We
kind
of
imagined,
but
it
would
be
not
just
the
13
corridor.
It
would
also
include
this
fifth
street
extension
and
getting
back
over
the
railroad
tracks
to
the
farmers
market,
d.o.t
area.
H
Does
this
have
any
pertinence
to
dot's
suggestion
about
turning
buffalo
one
block
of
buffalo
street
into
one
way
going
east
and
changing
court
street
as
well.
J
No,
that
was
never
included
in
the
scope
of
the
build
grant.
If
that's
something
we
really
wanted
to
include.
My
guess
is
that
the
state
and
the
feds
would
probably
be
amenable
to
that,
but
that's
not
a
part
of
the
scope
of
it
as
it
currently
stands.
H
I
definitely
don't
want
to
include
that
I,
if,
if
staff,
is
thinking
about
being
cautious
about
this
and
and
going
for
a
smaller
study
for
less
money
at
this
time,
I
I
would.
M
Yes,
this
is
it's
a
little
different
than
the
one
before,
because,
obviously
we're
we
have
a
larger,
a
larger
part
of
the
project.
So
in
my
mind,
it's
a
tough
time
when
we
have
the
larger
pieces
are
finding
the
funding.
For
that
it's
a
tough
time
when
covet
is
where
it
is
currently,
and
we
have
a
lot
of
unknowns
facing
us
so
I'm
for
me.
I
would
be
in
favor
of
reducing
the
scope
somewhat
to
lower
our
costs
here.
M
I
do
totally
understand
the
the
project
and
its
importance
to
that
particular
part
of
the
city.
I
think
it
is
important,
so
maybe
if
we
can
do
that,
that
would
be
good
and
maybe
down
the
line.
Who
knows
that
other
funds
become
available
for
this
project,
but
right
it
as
we
sit
right
here
today,
I
would.
I
would
recommend
a
little
lower
reduction
in
the
in
the
scope.
H
And
it
sounds,
it
sounds
like
we
can
get
some
real
work
done
at
a
more
modest
level,
correct.
J
Yeah,
I
feel
very
comfortable
that
if
we
were
to
do
kind
of
half
of
what
we
wrote,
the
grant
application
for
so
about
a
1.3
million
dollar
project
and
the
pit
city
would
pick
up
about
half
of
that
and
we'd
get
a
lot
of
value
out
of
that
and
putting
us
in
a
right
in
the
right
position
to
apply
for
the
future
funding,
and
it
would
give
us
the
alternative.
The
opportunity
to
look
at
all
the
alternatives
have
a
big
robust.
K
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
if
I'm
oversimplifying
this,
but
we
often
hear
especially
given
the
changes
that
may
be
happening
in
the
federal
government.
We
often
hear
about
having
things
that
we
might
want
to
have
shovel
ready.
But
my
my
guess
is
that
these
are
the
kind
of
projects
that
are
a
little
early
for
that,
like
that's,
not
what
we
mean
when
we
were
talking
about
studies
or
design
work.
Even
but
that's
more
construction
work,
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
for
tim
or
mike
or
both.
J
Yeah,
if
I
I
would
tell
you
that
if
we
pursued
this
work
and
got
to
the
end
point
that
I'm
imagining
for
half
of
the
scope
of
what
the
grant
was
imagined
for,
we
would
be
in
the
shovel
ready
category.
We
would
still
have
final
design
to
do,
but
we
would
know
what
we
were
doing
and
it
would
be
a
matter
of
detailing
it.
We'd
be
through
environmental
review.
J
O
No,
not
good,
I
didn't
just
want
to
mention
the
shovel
ready
thing
that
rob
had
brought
up.
We
do
have
a
couple
projects
that
are
pretty
much
shovel
ready.
We've
got
university
avenue
and
stewart
avenue,
which
are
some
big
ticket
items
and
the
design
is
essentially
complete
or
very
close
to
being
complete.
So
if
that
opportunity
comes
up
quickly,
we
do
have
some
projects
also.
B
B
Do
this
right,
3.3,
you
want
to
move
that.
B
K
Sure
this
is
a
local
law
amending
late
fees,
a
local
law
entitled
amendment
of
the
city
code,
late
fee
penalties,
whereas
in
many
sections
of
the
city
code
the
late
fee
structure
specifies
adding
interest
in
the
amount
of
twelve
percent
per
annum
or
a
three
dollar
per
month
charge
whichever
is
greater,
and
whereas
the
late
fee
structure
in
is
in
city
code
provisions
implemented
by
ordinances
or
local
law.
K
An
amendment
requires
both
an
ordinance
and
a
local
law,
and
whereas
the
city's
finance
department
now
uses
munis
software
and
due
to
the
new
software
limitations,
only
one
late
fee
can
be
imposed
and
whereas
the
city
chamberlain's
office
has
determined
that
it
in
most
cases,
it
is
more
beneficial
for
the
city
to
impose
the
12
per
annum
interest
late
fee
and
whereas
amendment
of
the
city
charter
and
certain
provisions
of
city
code
must
be
accomplished
by
local
law
and
others
by
accompanying
ordinance.
K
B
B
Anyone
want
a
second
duck.
Thank
you,
great
hi,
jessica,
welcome
to
city
administration.
Thank
you.
We've
seen
you
a
little
bit
before,
but
is
there
anything
you
want
to
say
about
this
change
before
we
open
it
up
for
questions.
P
Yes,
I'll
just
say
our
new
software,
we
got
munis
when
we
started
going
through
the
setup.
That's
when
we
realized
that
it
it
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
apply
an
either
or
fee
structure
to
an
invoice.
So
we
had
to
choose
between
either
the
twelve
percent
per
annum
or
the
three
dollars
per
month,
and
when
you
just
look
at
the
amount
of
money
that
each
one
brings
in
it
was
more
beneficial
to
us
to
do
the
twelve
percent
annum.
P
B
B
M
B
B
Nope
all
right,
thanks
for
doing
that,
are
we
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously
with
four
to
zero,
and
we've
got
one
more
3.4,
just
the
partner
to
this
one.
Someone
want
to
move
that
one.
B
N
An
amendment
requires
both
an
ordinance
and
a
local
law,
and
whereas
the
city's
finance
department
now
uses
munis
software
and
due
to
the
new
software
limitations,
only
one
late
fee
structure
can
be
opposed
and
whereas
the
state
champion's
office
has
determined
that
in
most
cases
it
is
more
beneficial
for
the
city
to
impose
12
per
annum.
Interest
late
fee
now,
therefore
be
ordained
by
the
common
council
of
the
city
as
follows:
certificate
as
follows,
and
eye
move
is
written.
B
N
P
Well
about
I
looked
at
the
we
have
about
a
hundred
thousand
unpaid
nb
invoices
right
now
in
2020,
and
about
half
of
them
number
wise,
like
invoice.
Number
wise
was
below
the
300
mark
and
the
300
mark
is
kind
of
where
you
break
even
300.
Percentage
is
three
dollars,
so
it
was
about.
50
of
them
was
under
300.
N
Did
you
talk
to
munoz
at
all
about
whether
they
were
willing
to
make
you
know
I'm
a
software
engineer,
so
I
know
that
it
doesn't
happen
super
fast,
but
nonetheless,
people
usually
respond
to
their
customers
to
implement
features.
It
seems
like
a
big
deal.
P
So
we
definitely
did
go
back
and
forth
to
try
to
find
different
ways
around
it.
Different
ways
of
further
system
applying
different
leap,
fees
or
interests,
and
none
of
the
different
things
that
we
tried
worked,
and
it
was
one
of
those
things
that
if
a
lot
of
their
customers
were
complaining
about,
they
would
go
in
and
do
a
program
change.
But
for
just
one
customer
it
didn't
make
sense
for
them.
To
do
that.
B
B
B
M
Sure,
just
a
quick
comment,
a
few
quick
comments,
so
we
were
looking
for
again.
This
is
this
refunding
is
like
a
refinance
so
think
about
that,
as
if
you're
refinancing
your
mortgage,
it's
very
similar
to
that
for
us.
So
we've
done
this
in
the
past
several
times,
but
we
haven't
done
it
in,
like
a
couple
years,
we've
saved
quite
a
few
hundred
thousands
of
dollars
over
over
time.
So
we're
still
looking
for
possibilities
to
do
this.
M
The
law
has
become
a
little
more
restrictive,
so
it's
more
difficult,
but
we
did
find
one
one
bond
that
we
can
do
this
with
it's
a
2013
series,
that's
currently
outstanding.
So
what
this
does
basically
will
lower
our
interest
rates,
we're
able
to
save
about
322
thousand
dollars
over
the
term
of
the
of
the
bonds.
It
doesn't
increase
the
bonds
term
so
that
so
we
would
see
savings
starting
as
early
as
next
year
through
about
2035
for
this
and
roughly
about
21
000
a
year.
M
It
changes
a
little
bit
depending
on
how
this
actually
ends
up,
but
so
the
savings
is
above
the
comptroller's
office
usually
says.
If
you
can
find
about
three
percent
savings
on
these
refundings,
then
it
makes
sense
to
do
those
and
it's
worthwhile,
and
this
one
comes
in
a
little
over
13
percent
savings
for
us,
so
it
makes
sense
for
us
the
net
again.
This
is
all
net
savings,
because
there
is
some
cost
associated
with
making
this
change,
but
the
net
savings
still
will
be
roughly
322
000
after
everything
is
said
and
done.
M
So
it
does
make
sense
for
us
to
to
to
do
this
and
we
we
are
finding
savings.
So
it's
a
recommendation
that
we're
making
at
this
time.
H
Sorry,
okay,
steve
thanks
thanks
for
going
fishing
and
bringing
in
this
big
fish
for
us.
I
appreciate
it
this.
This
should
go
a
long
way
in
funding
the
boathouse
at
stewart
park
for
a
common
council
clubhouse.
M
Oh
yes,
yeah
well
yeah!
You
know,
obviously
we're
always
looking
for
savings,
so
we
we
scoured
our
outstanding
bonds
and
were
able
to
find
this.
So
you
know
the
savings
is
not
huge,
but
it's
something
and
that's
you
know
every
every
little
bit.
B
K
Thank
you
deb,
so
amendment
to
the
personnel
roster
from
the
planning
department,
whereas
the
planning
division
wishes
to
create
the
position
of
environmental
landscape
planner
and
whereas,
since
a
senior
planner
was
promoted
to
deputy
director
of
planning
in
2017,
the
position
of
environmental
landscape
planner
will
replace
an
entry-level
planner
position
that
the
that
the
division
has
had
difficulty,
filling
and
or
retaining.
K
And
whereas
the
position
of
environmental
landscape
planner
has
a
higher
required
level
of
knowledge,
expertise
and
experience
than
an
entry-level
planner
and
is
more
suitable
to
the
duties
and
responsibilities
needed
by
the
planning
division.
And
whereas
this
position
is
urgently
needed
to
assist
with
planning
board
and
other
functions
that
continue
to
be
carried
out.
In
the
interim
by
the
deputy
director
of
planning,
a
situation
that
is
unsustainable
due
to
the
unprecedented
amount
of
development,
as
well
as
transitions
successions
within
the
department
and
division.
K
And
whereas
the
position
will
play
a
primary
role
in
managing
the
aesthetic,
technical
and
environmental
review
of
development
projects
and
developing
programs
and
processes
to
implement
the
city's
long-range
goals
and
objectives
related
to
relating
to
land
use.
Sustainability
and
the
protection
and
management
of
the
natural
and
built
environment,
and
whereas
the
position
will
also
provide
guidance
and
staff
support
to
the
planning
and
development
board,
common
council
and
other
decision-making
bodies
and
develop
and
implement
environmental
and
sustainability
programs
and
projects
related
to
planning
and
development.
K
Add
one
environmental
landscape
planner
at
40
hours
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
position
of
environmental
and
landscape
planner
shall
be
assigned
to
the
csea
administrative
unit
compensation
plan
at
salary
grade
16,
be
it
further
resolve
that
the
for
that,
for
the
sole
purpose
of
determining
days,
worked
reportable
to
the
new
york
state
and
local
employees
retirement
system,
the
standard
workday
for
the
environmental
and
landscape
planner
shall
be
established
at
eight
hours
per
day
40
hours
per
week
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
above
changes
shall
be
funded
as
prescribed
in
the
2021
city
budget,
adopted
by
common
council
on
november
4
2020
right
so
move.
B
B
Nope
all
right
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
thanks
shelly,
although
you'll
probably
have
more
to
say
on
the
next
topic,
so
don't
go
anywhere
all
right,
so
we
are
finished
with
our
voting
items,
but
laura
has
requested
to
bring
a
topic
up
for
potential
review
by
city
administration.
So
I
will
let
laura
explain
and
then
we'll
just
have
a
quick
discussion
and
decide
if
we
want
to
go
in
any
direction
with
this.
Q
So
it
seemed
a
good
time
to
bring
this
back
for
for
some
discussion
at
the
moment,
the
requirement
is
written
that.
Q
The
public
need
is
sufficient
to
require
that
all
city
department,
heads
and
deputies,
hired
or
promoted
by
the
city
meet
this
residency
requirement,
and
it
it
seemed
to
me
that
it
was
a
good
time
for
us
to
talk
about
how
we
can
expand
the
pool
of
applicants
for
positions
in
the
city.
The
quality
of
the
workforce
can
be
enhanced
by
a
broader
workforce,
and
it
seemed
that
we
shouldn't
limit
that
the
the
assumptions
of
the
quality
of
employee
performance
and
knowledge
of
city
conditions
doesn't
seem
to
me
to
hold.
Q
Q
Most
of
us
did
a
fair
amount
of
our
work
on
our
phones,
so
the
idea
that
someone
would
have
a
greater
personal
stake
and
enhanced
response
in
ready
situations.
Q
It
seems
to
me
that
we
text
people
all
the
time
we
phone
people,
we
email
people,
including
city
staff,
when
there
are
issues
that
need
immediate
response.
So
it
seemed
to
me
to
be
a
good
time
to
bring
this
back
for
consideration
of
having
such
a
requirement
for
employees.
Q
And
shelly
may
have
comments
mike
thorne
may
have
comments,
but
I
just
wanted
to
put
this
forward
for
us
to
begin
talking
about
and
looking
at
a
requirement
that
has
not
been
updated
since
2006..
So
thank
you.
B
B
I
just
think
we
wanted
to
see
if
anyone
might
be
agreeable
to
even
taking
a
look
at
it
at
all
and
if
so,
coming
up
with
what
data
or
information
might
we
need
or
want
so
that
we
could
have
that
prepared
if
we
were
going
to
talk
about
making
any
modifications
to
it,
I
know
one
thing
that
would
be
helpful,
at
least
is
a
maybe
a
listing
of
the
all
of
the
positions
that
have
a
residency
requirement.
I
know
it
says
it's
up
to
someone.
B
I
know
you
included
the
the
the
chapter
with
the
information
in
it,
but
maybe
a
list
of
all
the
positions
would
be
helpful.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
thinks
there's
more
information
that
they
might
need.
Q
Well,
right
now
it
says
city,
department,
heads
and
deputies,
so
I
think
that
list
would
be
fairly
easy
to
get.
N
I
could
certainly
believe
that
that
would
be
true,
because
you
know
again
in
software
we
have
a
hard
time
recruiting
for
sure
it's
helpful
to
have
the
national
pool
and
my
preference
would
be
to
have
an
incentive
for
living
in
the
city
or
the
county
rather
than
a
requirement.
Generally
speaking,
cynthia
brought
to
my
attention
was
in
the
context
of
policing,
but
she
brought
to
my
attention
this
program
that
yale
and
new
haven
had
for
paying
or
reducing
the
property
taxes.
If
you
lived
in
new
haven
and.
A
N
Got
a
lot
of
people
to
move
into
new
england
connecticut,
so
you
know
we
just
have.
O
Yeah,
this
came
up
very
recently
with
when
we
were
interviewing
for
the
assistant
superintendent
of
public
works
over
in
streets
and
facilities,
and
we
received
nine
applications
and
not
one
of
the
nine
was
a
resident
of
tompkins
county
and
I'm.
O
With
advertising
the
other
assistant
superintendent
position,
it's
a
it's
a
very
specialized
position
and
limiting
it
to
a
tompkins
county
resident.
I
guess
it
shrinks
the
cool
significantly
there's
you
know,
there's.
O
People
who
live
in
thompson's
county-
and
it's
it's-
that's
a
pretty
small
pool
for
for
some
of
the
skills
that
we're
looking
for.
We
do
have
a
internal
candidate
who
does
not
live
in
tompkins
county
and
could
do
the
job,
and
I
I
hate
to
exclude
him
from
applying,
especially
with
the
with
the
kind
of
turnout
that
we
got
for
the
other
assistant
superintendent
position.
N
O
We
just
hired
for
streets
and
facilities,
this
sort
of
came
as
a
surprise
to
us,
it
it
wasn't
put
in
the
in
the
job
posting
and
it
was
brought
up
actually
during
our
discussion
in
the
interview
and
when
mark
received
the
letter
from
human
resources,
you
know
appointing
them
to
the
position.
It
referenced
the
city
code,
that
that
showed
the
residency
requirement.
O
O
You
know
we
have
good
employees
and
we,
you
know,
we
groom
them
and
we
you
know
we
try
to
bring
them
along
and
advance
them
and
things
like
that-
and
I
don't
know
it's
just
it.
It
puts
mark
in
a
difficult
position
and
it
puts
me
in
a
difficult
position
on
whether
I
even
you
know
how
how
we
even
advertise
future
senior
level
positions.
R
Yeah,
just
just
for
clarification,
the
the
end
the
applicant
does
is
not
required
to
live
in
the
county.
The
the
issue
is,
is
it's
not
so
much
about
recruiting
at
this
level?
Most
of
our
searches
are
national
searches.
R
So
the
fight
then
was
to
expand
it
so
that
it
at
least
it
incorporated
the
county
too.
H
Yeah
I
I
appreciate
that
this
is
a
problem
and
I
haven't
thought
it
all
the
way
through,
but
I
can
see
how
tompkins
county
living
in
tompkins
county
might
be
a
little
restrictive,
particularly
for
people
who
already
work
here
and
live
in
a
different
county
and
their
kids
are
in
school,
et,
cetera,
et
cetera,
they've.
Maybe
just
bought
a
house.
H
I
do
think
some
geographical
boundary
is
important,
like
could
be
contiguous
counties.
For
example,
I
don't
think
I'd
want
a
department
head
who
lived
in
rochester,
for
example,
because
the
amount
of
time
it
takes
to
get
back
and
forth
would
maybe
not
let
them
do
their
job
as
good
as
if
they
lived
closer
by
so
so
there,
I
think,
maybe
contiguous
counties
might
be
reasonable.
B
C
Yeah
I
was
on,
I
was
on
common
council
when
this
was
first
being
discussed
back
when
it
was
a
city
requirement,
and
I
remember
I
didn't
necessarily
agree
with
it
back
then,
some
of
the
some
of
the
arguments
that
were
being
made
in
favor
of
requiring
people
to
live
in
the
city
and-
and
I
think
it
was
better
when
it
was
expanded
to
to
include
the
entire
county.
But
but
I
do
I
do
really
question
like
what
you
know.
What
are
the
benefits
versus
the
cost?
C
I
mean
you
know
if
somebody
lives
in
you
know,
speedsville
or
you
know
the
northeast
corner
of
groton
they're
in
the
county,
but
if
they
live
in
mecklenburg
or
candor,
you
know
they're
outside
the
county
and
arguably
they're
closer.
You
know
so
I
first
of
all,
I
don't
know
that
that
really
makes
a
difference.
You
know.
Second
of
all,
I
do
think
that
you
know
people
make
people
make
choices
on
where
they
live.
For
so
many
different
reasons
you
know.
C
Sometimes
they
have
a
spouse
who
might
live
in
a
different
city
and
they're
trying
to
split
the
difference.
You
know
they
they
very
very
well
may
have
kids
in
school
and
they
don't
want
to
uproot
their
kids
and
you
know-
and
I
would
say
by
and
large
everyone
I
know
you
know
who
works
for
the
city
is
extremely
dedicated
and
they
make
it.
They
make
it
a
real
point
to
to
serve
the
city.
Well,
and
I
I
don't
know
that
geography
makes
that
much
of
a
difference.
C
I
think
it's
theoretically,
it
sounds
good,
but
it
practically.
I
don't
think
it's.
I
don't
think
it's.
I
don't
think
it's
true.
You
know
some
of
our
best
employees
live
outside
the
city
and
they're
extremely
dedicated
they're.
Here
you
know
early
in
the
morning
and
they
leave
late
at
night,
and
I
I
I
think
we
should
really.
C
You
know,
give
it
a
lot
of
thought,
because
we
are
heading
into
a
period
here
of
a
lot
of
retirements,
of
our
senior
staff
department,
heads
and
and
deputy
department
heads,
and
we
really
don't
want
to
be
limited
by
where
people
live.
We
don't
want
to
be.
Restricting
we
don't
want
people
who
may
already
be
working
for
us
and
may
be.
You
know.
Well,
poised
to
take
these
positions
on
to
to
think
twice
about
it,
because
they're
going
to
have
to
move
in
order
to
do
it.
B
L
Yeah,
I
think
it's
irrelevant
where
city
employees
live.
It
seems
that
comes
close
to
me
to
being
a
form
of
discrimination
if
somebody
is
doing
his
or
job
his
or
her
job.
Well,
I
think
it's
irrelevant
where
he
or
she
lives.
R
Not
a
response,
but
just
something
to
add
to
the
plate,
and
especially
given
this
time
of
covid
with
us
moving
more
virtual,
so
you
know
the
the
the
the
question
is,
you
know,
is
it
will
I
mean
you
should
think
about
this
in
the
broader
picture,
so
this
does
that
mean
we
would
be
open
to
someone
not
living
even
in
our
region,
because
there's
the
capability
of
operating
without
physically
being
in
the
environment.
So
it's
just
it's
just
a
broader
view
about
how
far
you
want
to
go.
B
Great
and
we'll
hear
from
rob
all
we
really
wanted
to
do
tonight
was
to
see
if
it
was
something
that
people
were
willing
to
look
at.
It
sounds
like
people
are,
so
I'm
assuming
we
will
have
this
discussion
much
more
expanded
when
we
have
some
sort
of
formal
resolution
in
front
of
us
so
I'll.
Let
rob
make
his
comment
and
then
I
think
what
we
need
to
do
is
to
give
some
kind
of
direction
to
staff
so
that
they
bring
a
resolution
back
or
something
that
we
can
look
at.
B
K
Thanks
dad,
I
guess
I'd,
I
I
feel
like
we're
hearing
sentiment
about
this.
I
I'd
like
us
to
make
sure
we're
looking
at
some
other
cities
that
might
be
ahead
of
us
who
haven't.
Maybe
people
who've
updated
their
code
in
the
last
15
years
to
see
if
there's
some
good
models
that
we
might
learn
from.
K
So
if
that's
something
that
you
could
bring
to
the
discussion,
that
would
be
helpful
too,
and
I
just
put
in
the
chat
a
link
to
to
duck's
point
earlier
about
incentives
rather
than
requirements.
K
The
college
park
and
city
the
city
of
college
park
and
the
university
of
maryland
have
an
interesting
program
where
they
help
home
owners
purchase
homes
within
the
city,
limits
and
proximity
to
their
camp.
The
university
of
maryland
campus,
as
well
as
in
the
city
for
employees
of
the
campus
or
the
city,
and
it's
you
know
I
think
it's
it
might
be
interesting
for
us
to
look
at
things
like
that
as
well,
and
then
yeah.
I
I
to
shelly's
point
and
others
as
well
in
the
era
of
code.
K
I
think
we've
learned
a
lot
about
how
to
you
know
think
differently
about
the
way
we
do
our
work
and
holding
ourselves
accountable
and
each
other
accountable
for
that.
So
I
think
we
can
do
that
here
in
some
many
many
of
the
ways
that
we
do
the
work
of
the
city.
B
So,
dan
and
shelly,
what
do
you
need
if
you
were
going
to
craft
a
modification
to
this
language
and
the
code?
What
what
information
do
you
need
from
us
in
order
to
do
that,
or
do
we
want
to
just
strike
it?
Do
we
need
do
we
need
a
modification
to
it?
What
what
might
we
want
to
do
next?
If
we
do
want
to
look
at
changing
it,.
C
Easy
versus
modify
it,
which
is
a
little
more
difficult
just
because
we
need
to
know
how
you
want
it
modified.
B
If
that's
easier,
I'm
not
sure
we
have
capacity
right
now
to
get
at
the
incentive
thing,
but
there's
no
reason
why
we
can't
repeal
something
and
then
add
an
incentive
later
on
at
some
point
right:
okay,
because
I
wouldn't
want
to
hold
up
some
of
the
challenges
that
you
talked
about
existing
you
know,
I
feel
like
creating
an
incentive
program
is
going
to
be
a
lot
more
work
than
just
a
couple
months
of
of
council
looking
at
something
to
repeal
to
maybe
band-aid
a
situation
currently
and
then
look
at
what
might
be
possible
for
the
future.
R
I
was
just
gonna
say
I
you
know,
I
I
I
I
think
that's
right,
we
did
just
so
you
know
we
did
have,
and
I
know
it
was
a
long
time
ago,
but
we
did
have
extensive
conversation
about
incentive
programs
and
I
still
remember
some
of
the
suggestions,
but
I
can
certainly
revisit
that.
Q
Yeah
someone
asked
earlier
in
this
conversation
if
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
a
list
of
some
of
the
positions
that
are
affected
by
this
requirement.
Q
We
could
take
a
look
at
that
and
I
I
like
rob's
idea
of
at
least
looking
at
a
few
other
cities
models
that
maybe
a
few
comparable
cities
have
may
be
helpful
to
our
discussion
as
well.
O
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to-
I
think
george
had
mentioned
possibly
going
to
contiguous
counties,
and
I
I'm
not
sure
that
helps
us
that
much.
I
think
a
lot
of
our
contiguous
counties
are
very
rural,
and
I
think
I
would
like
to
be
able
to.
I
mean
just
from
from
my
perspective,
to
be
able
to
you
know
tap
into
like
a
syracuse
or
binghamton,
or
you
know
a
larger
area.
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
address
that,
but
I
don't
think
the
contiguous
gowns
is
going
to
do
it
for
us.
B
Does
that
sound
good,
okay,
great
anything
else,
shelly
did
you
have
any
other
updates
or
anything
from
hr
perspective?
Anything
you
want
to
share.
R
Just
spending
a
nice
amount
of
time
working
with
the
reimagining
public
safety
yeah
we're
just
rearing
up
for
end
of
the
year,
all
of
the
transitioning
from
2020
to
2021.
Right
now.
That's
it.
B
All
right,
just
one
quick
and
we
have
5.1
it's
really
just
a
30-second
update.
Several
people
have
asked
about.
What's
going
on
with
the
possible
dissolution
of
bpw
and
again
remember
we,
we
brought
that
up.
Initially,
we
met
with
a
number
of
different
groups.
B
We
had
some
conversations
about
that
and
we
felt
like
just
in
in
the
current
situation,
with
the
pandemic
and
lack
of
ability
to
convene
people
for
public
comment
and
we
haven't
been
meeting
per
normal
and
the
commissions
have
been
somewhat
on
pause,
that
we
decided
to
put
this
on
pause
and
I
think
we're
just
keeping
it
still
on
pause.
For
now.
That's
basically,
the
update
is
essentially
when
we
put
it
on
pause.
B
B
I
know
that
ari
and
staff
did
an
immense
amount
of
work
to
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
potential
modifications,
for
maybe
what
could
be
shifted
from
bpw's
plate
or
some
sort
of
reconfiguration,
and
we
are
not
going
to
let
that
good
work
go
to
waste.
We
are
going
to
take
that
up
again,
but
at
this
point
it
doesn't
seem
likely
that
we
would
start
to
talk
about
that
again
until
I
would
say
early
early
next
year.
So
that's
where
we're
at
I
just
know.
I
I
know
no,
that's
exactly
right
and.
I
Okay,
good,
then
I'll
talk,
sorry,
yeah,
that's
exactly
right
and
all
I
had
said
was
that
I,
I
think
a
lot
of
the
information
we
had
gathered
last
year.
Put
us
in
a
good
position,
or
I
should
say
earlier
this
year,
put
us
in
a
good
position
to
to
move
forward
in
whichever
direction
the
committee
wants
once
you're
ready.
I
So
if
it's
in
the
spring
or
whenever
that
turns
out
to
be
just,
let
us
know,
and
we
can
move,
but
we
do
need
some
guidance
from
the
committee
as
to
sort
of
where
you'd
like
to
go.
If
it's
something
short
of
elimination,
I
think
that's
the
other
piece
that
we
need
to
hear.
B
Why
we're
pausing
some
things?
It's
a
little
challenging!
Okay,
anything
else
for
the
good
of
the
order
I
did
want
to
mention.
We
have
talked
about
the
december
meeting
date.
Currently
it
is
scheduled
for
the
23rd
of
december.
Now
I
don't
know
about
all
of
you.
I
hope
you've
figured
out
how
to
have
a
safe
thanksgiving
holiday
with
taking
into
some
of
the
very
serious
suggestions
about
not
traveling
and
sticking
with
your
small
covered
families
for
the
thanksgiving
holiday.
B
I'm
not
sure
what
people
will
be
choosing
to
do
for
our
winter
december
holidays,
but
right
now
the
meeting
is
scheduled
for
christmas
eve
eve.
So
for
those
of
you
that
celebrate
christmas,
that
is
a
little
close
to
to
christmas
eve.
So
is
I
just
wanted
to
ask
everybody?
Is
there
interest
in
doing
the
same
thing
that
we
did
this
month
and
moving
the
meeting
to
the
21st
instead
of
the
23rd.
C
B
B
Donna's
traveling,
I
know
we're
all
we
all
wish.
We
were
traveling
somewhere
right,
I
mean
there.
May
I
I
just
think
people
start
to
really
kind
of
just
even
mentally
wind
down
once
they
get
closer
and
closer,
so
it
might
make
more
sense
to
just
do
it
on
the
21st
and
give
everybody
that
whole
week
to
not
to
not
have
to
worry
so
all
right.
B
So
let's
move
it
to
the
21st,
and
can
we
just
all
we'll
do
is
just
make
that
announcement
when
we
announce
the
meeting
that'll
just
move
up
the
the
date
that
some
of
the
agenda
items
are
due,
but
we've
built
out
much
of
december's
agenda
tonight
with
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
worked
on
as
well,
and
I
don't
anticipate
a
lot
of
additions
to
that.
So,
okay,
any
other
questions
concerns
comments.
Nope
all
right,
I
suppose
we
can
still
adjourn
with
only
three
of
us
here-
that's
technically
still
a
quorum.