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From YouTube: February 24, 2021 Reimagining Public Safety Presentation and City Administration Committee Meeting
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A
B
B
This
is
an
opportunity,
our
first
opportunity
to
present
a
reimagining
public
safety
collaborative.
This
is
our
draft
report.
It'll
include
the
background,
the
recommendations
and
what's
next
and
why
we
call
it
a
collaborative
because
unique
amongst
communities
in
new
york
state.
We
actually
did
this
in
collaboration
with
tompkins
county
and
the
center
for
policing
equity.
B
B
They
joined
the
city
and-
and
I
want
to
know,
I
do
think
that
circle-
that's
blue
and
green
is
bluer
than
green,
which
means
we
do
win.
I
mean
it's,
not
a
competition,
but
if
it
were,
we
would
win
the
the
they're
joined
by
shalim
shalnon,
who
is
our
excellent
director
of
human
resources
and
was
the
city's
lead
on
the
leadership
team
that
put
this
together?
B
B
B
So
we
worked
with
the
center
for
policing,
equity
and
some
of
our
partners,
including
dr
palisa
gonzalez
and
dr
shawn
eversley
bradwell,
from
ithaca
college,
to
put
together
a
series
of
focus
groups.
Those
focus
groups
asked
the
people
who
are
most
marginalized
in
our
community
to
share
their
experience.
B
Right,
the
the
outcomes
were
19
recommendations,
the
first
three
replace
the
city
of
ithaca
police
department
with
the
community
solutions
and
public
safety
department,
there's,
obviously
a
very
big
recommendation
when
it's
gotten
a
lot
of
attention
in
the
last
two
days.
That
is,
I
think,
struggling
to
be
understood
by
a
lot
of
folks.
Much
of
the
blame
rests
on
me
in
an
interview
that
I
did
with
with
a
great
reporter:
that's
not
the
reporter's
fault.
B
Second
recommendation
is
to
evaluate
existing
models
right,
existing
models
in
tompkins
county
and
around
the
country,
and
implement
an
alternative
to
law
enforcement
response
system
for
crisis
intervention
and
wrap
around
health
and
human
services
delivery.
This
group
will
recognize
the
closest
equivalent
to
that
as
the
downtown
outreach
worker
program
or
if
you
participated
in
some
of
the
public
input
sessions,
the
cahoots
program
in
eugene
oregon
is
the
the
closest
model.
Another
recommendation
is
to
better
align
available
resources
with
emergency
response
needs
by
establishing
a
pilot
program
for
non-emergency
calls.
E
B
Next
recommendation
develop
a
comprehensive
community
healing
plan
to
address
trauma
and
the
relationship
between
residents
and
law
enforcement,
develop
a
comprehensive,
inclusive
and
innovative
strategy
for
recruitment
of
law
enforcement
and
corrections
officers.
This
came
up
over
and
over
again
on
all
sides
of
the
equation
people
felt
like
they
wanted
a
public
safety
department
that
reflects
the
diversity
of
the
community
and
the
diversity
of
needs
in
the
community
and
doing
that
means
doing
a
better
job
of
recruiting.
B
So
that
was
a
huge
theme
that
we
saw
in
our
feedback.
Next
recommendation
develop
a
county-wide
program
to
promote
and
support
holistic
officer
wellness.
What
do
we
mean
by
holistic?
We
mean
physical
health.
Of
course,
it's
really
important
for
officers
who
are
under
such
tremendous
stress
and
strain
to
get
physical
wellness
support,
but
we
also
mean
mental
health
support.
You
know
that
stress
and
strain
can
express
itself
in
in
very
dangerous
ways
for
officers
and
the
development
of
a
county-wide.
B
Both
program
city
and
county
felt
like
were
important.
The
next
bucket
of
recommendations
are
around
data,
so,
first
the
recommendation
is
to
standardize
data
entry
and
review
existing
data
sets
for
more.
Why
do
I
say
data
sometimes
and
data
other
times?
I
I
don't
know,
but
data
sets
it's
data.
Entry
and
data
sets
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
for
more
actionable
insights
and
allocation
of
public
safety
resources.
That
means
we
should
measure
better.
What
we
do.
We
should
measure
what
calls
we
go
on.
We
should
measure
the
time
it
takes.
B
Another
recommendation
to
have
a
real-time
public
safety
community
dashboard,
something
that
anybody
in
the
community
could
log
on
and
see
our
numbers
in
real
time
see
how
busy
we
are
see.
The
kind
of
arrests
we're
making
and
again
with
the
understanding
that
you
know
what
you
focus
on
you
become
in
what
you
measure
you
can
improve
this
next
one
is
the
solely
accounting
recommendation
and
that's
to
collect
and
evaluate
the
results
of
officer
initiated
traffic
enforcement.
B
Two
swot
recommendations-
these
are
both
in
the
same
bucket.
First,
is
to
repurpose
the
swap
mobile
command
vehicle
to
thompkins
county,
so
to
give
it
to
the
department
of
emergency
response
and
to
develop
policies
for
the
use
of
the
mobile
command
center
and
any
vehicles
related
to
swap
you
know
we
came
back
over
and
over
is
some
folks
really
feel
reassured
by
the
presence
of
swat,
especially
in
a
nation
that
has
more
guns
than
people
where
certain
threats
are
very
real.
B
Can
we
balance-
and
I
think
we
can-
can
we
balance
the
real
life-saving
and
I'm
talking
about
saving
both
the
lives
of
officers
and
lives
of
members
of
the
public,
real
life-saving
benefits
of
having
that
tactical
teams
and
having
great
training?
Can
we
balance
those
needs
against
a
community
that
wants
to
feel
represented
and
wants
to
feel
like
their
police
department?
Public
safety
department
is
there
to
keep
them
safe.
B
Next
we're
calling
these
advocacy
recommendations.
Why?
It's,
because
these
are
things
that
we
would
like
to
either
be
able
to
do,
and
we
need
the
state
to
allow
us
to
do
it
or
we
want
the
state
itself
to
do
it,
and
so
they
are
things
that
we
are
asking
of.
New
york
state
in
this
plan
to
help
us
improve
public
safety
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
First
seek
ongoing
and
responsive
collaboration
from
new
york.
B
State
troopers
operating
in
tompkins
county
something's,
been
a
bit
of
an
issue
in
the
past:
revise
the
civil
service
exam
process
to
diversify
law
enforcement
personnel.
I
I
this
is
not
a
surprise
to
the
folks
on
this
in
this
meeting,
but
that
that
exam
is
a
real
barrier
and
the
civil
service
process
in
general
is
a
real
barrier
who
want
to
enter
careers
in
law
enforcement
and
public
safety,
and
particularly
to
diverse
communities
and
for
no
good
reason.
You
know
it's
not
like
that.
B
Next
advocate
to
new
york
state
to
grant
local
civil
service
authorities,
the
authority
to
enact
quote
continuous
recruitment
of
eligible
candidates
for
law
enforcement
personnel.
Again.
This
just
gives
us
greater
flexibility
in
who
we
hire
and
when
we
hire
them.
Instead
of
waiting
for
new
lists
and
waiting
for
new
tests,
we
can
pull
from
existing
tests
and
then
finally
urge
the
governor
and
the
new
york
state
legislature
to
reform
disciplinary
procedures
for
law
enforcement
personnel
under
civil
service
law,
section
75..
B
We
want
our
accountability
and
discipline
procedures
to
take
effect
more
quickly
to
have
more
certainty.
We
think
that'll
create
better
community
trust,
but
it'll
also
improve
morale
inside
the
departments
and,
frankly
be
better
on
city
finances.
Instead
of
it
will
create
a
greater
incentive
to
come
to
a
conclusion
faster
for
our
disciplinary
procedures.
B
B
B
We
had
nine
months
to
do
it
and
the
implementation
will
take
years.
I
believe
will
take
years
and
will
be
an
ongoing
living,
including
this
report
itself
will
be
a
living
document
that
gets
amended
and
changed
improved,
added
to
subtracted
from
and
so
to
manage
that
process
and
the
ongoing
implementation
to
keep
the
community
engaged,
as
well
as
our
members
of
law
enforcement
engaged.
B
There's
a
recommendation
that
we,
the
city
and
the
county,
create
a
community
justice
center
with
new
staff
and
new
resources
made
available
so
that
they
can
follow
through
on
the
recommendations
and
importantly,
keep
up
this
running
conversation
of
focus
groups
and
working
groups
and
surveys
and
and
online
inputs
and
phone
calls,
and
even
door-to-door
engagement.
That
can
help
us
make
our
public
safety
departments
better.
So
they're
recommending
that
we
hire
new
staff
and
put
resources
specifically
towards
implementation.
A
suggestion
that
I
support.
B
So
here's
what's
next
I
mean
what's
next-
is
up
to
is
up
to
you
and
the
council.
It's
for
you
to
continue
the
input
and
feedback
sessions.
There
is
one
the
first
of
which
is
scheduled
tomorrow
at
6.
30
pm
folks
can
register
either
by
going
to
the
city's
website
or
to
tonkins
county's
website
to
register,
to
give
your
impact
feedback
during
that
community
input
session.
B
Are
the
authors
of
this
did
an
enormous
amount
of
work?
Our
scientists
want
to
give
another
shout
out
to
our
social
scientists,
dr
gonzalez
and
dr
sean
eversley
gladwell,
but
that
doesn't
mean
the
report
is
law.
It
is
a
living
document.
Frankly,
that
will
continue
to
change
and
then
the
implementation
process.
We
would
create
a
community
justice
center
and
begin
with
community
engagement
with
working
groups
established
that
include
members
of
the
legislature,
members
of
council
members
of
the
public
for
each
different
of
these
19
recommendations.
F
E
B
D
D
D
One
has
to
do
with
budget.
There
are
a
number
of
innovations
in
this
proposal
and
I
have
questions
about
cost
and
and
budgets
how
things
will
be
funded
and
then
the
second
question-
a
number
of
us
have
heard
from
members
of
the
public
and
the
police
department
about
officer
positions,
and
so
I
and
some
of
that
may
be
misinformation,
but
I
think
deserves
clarification
on.
D
G
B
Yeah
very
good
and
I'll
I'll
take
a
stab
at
them
with
the
I'll
say
it
first
and
I'll
say
it
again
at
the
end
of
my
answer,
saying
that
it
much
is
still
unknown.
This
really
is
still
an
ongoing
and
collaborative
process,
that
is
to
say
all
of
those
decisions
are
yet
to
come
in
the
future,
and
this
report
doesn't-
and-
and
this
is
really
is
my
fault
for
not
being
extremely
clear
when
I
was
speaking
to
the
press-
that
no
decisions
around
that
have
been
made.
B
If
we
were
to
create
a
new
department-
and
there
was
anybody
in
the
ithaca
police
department
now
that
wouldn't
be
fit
to
serve
in
that
new
department,
then
I
would
be
seeking
to
remove
them
from
the
other
police
department.
I
mean,
I
have
great
faith
in
the
men
and
women
who
work
in
the
ithaca
police
department.
They
do
an
excellent
job.
B
We
most
of
them
were
hired
under
my
administration
under
standards
that
are
some
of
the
toughest
to
pass
in
the
entire
country.
They
all
have
all
received
training
that
is
second
to
none
in
the
country
and
they
do
an
incredible
incredible
job,
and
so
it's
not
my
intention
that
any
of
those
officers
would
lose
their
job.
B
All
of
the
the
proposal
is
that
there
will
be
new
positions,
new
types
of
positions,
two
new
ones
in
the
new
department
and
that
officers
would
apply
for
one
or
the
other
of
those
positions
if
they're
interested
in
serving
in
the
new
department,
but
I'm
willing
to
work
collaboratively.
In
fact,
I
think
we
will
have
to
for
reasons
both
functional
for
reasons
both
practical
and
and
personal.
B
I
think
we
will
want
to
work
collectively
and
collaboratively
with
the
police
department
to
design
this
new
department,
this
new
agency
and
to
figure
out
how
those
new
positions
are
filled,
but
I
still
think
so-
and
there's
been
a
lot
of
confusion
about
this
and
and
I've
added
to
that
confusion
and
folks.
That
rightfully,
are
like
this
sounds
like
double
talk,
you
say
that
officers
are
doing
a
good
job.
Why
do
you
want
to
replace
them
all?
I
don't
want
to
replace
them
all.
I
really
don't.
B
What
I
want
is
what
became
clear
in
this
process.
If
it
wasn't
clear
before,
is
it
when
you
have
a
department
full
of
officers
who
are
individually,
doing
incredible,
work
and
collectively
doing
incredible
work,
putting
their
life
on
the
line,
they're
working
hard,
they're,
protecting
each
other,
protecting
the
public
and
still
there
is
deep
dissatisfaction,
deep
mistrust
at
the
community
level
and
deep
dissatisfaction
and
low
morale
inside
the
department.
B
Then
what
you
have
is
not
a
personnel
problem.
What
you
have
is
a
structural
problem
right
if
the
people
are
succeeding,
but
the
outcome
is
wrong,
then
it's
not
the
people
that
need
to
be
replaced.
It's
the
structure
that
needs
to
be
replaced
and
the
culture
and
and
that's
what
this
proposal
does,
how
the
existing
ipd
officers
become,
either
public
safety
officers
or
community
solutions.
Workers
is
something
that
the
is
up
to
the
council
and
in
collaboration
with
me,
the
community,
the
community
justice
center.
B
B
B
It
seems
like
there
are
a
lot
of
things
here
that
call
for
more
investment,
how
much
more
just
unsure
and
we'll
have
to
be
sorted
out
as
we
continue
to
implement
and,
as
you
all
know
where
to
find
the
money
also
talk.
It's
been
an
extremely
hard
year,
given
that
covid's
impact
on
our
sales
tax,
the
lack
of
federal
aid
to
make
up
for
it,
there's
hope
on
the
horizon
in
the
in
the
latest
senate
and
house
bills,
which
give
about
350
billion
dollars
to
states
and
localities.
B
H
H
The
first
one
is
the
one
that
the
mayor
just
described
about
the
reorganization
of
ipd
and
the
other
two
are
at
the
county
level,
they're
all
very
much
in
the
same
spirit
of
about
augmenting
traditional
policing
or
sheriffing,
with
community
service
functions
and
with
taking
away
some
relieving
sheriff's
officers
and
police
officers
from
some
non-police
functions.
I
mean
dealing
with
deer
as
mentioned
here
and
there's
we
can
think
of
other
things.
H
H
B
I
B
Feel
like
they
are
being
asked
to
do
too
much,
not
just
too
much
and
that
the
stack
of
work
they
have,
but
also
in
that
their
portfolio
is
too
wide
that
every
human
behavioral
problem
has
become
a
police
problem,
and
nobody
will
tell
you
that's
growing
faster
than
the
members
of
our
ithaca
police
department
who
say
we
get
called
all
the
time
for
stuff.
That
is
not
a
law
enforcement
problem.
B
We're
also
hearing
the
same
thing
from
the
community
that
there
are
all
sorts
of
issues
that
arise
to
which
we
need
solutions,
community-based
solutions.
We
need
somebody
to
call
for
them
show
up.
We
need
people
walking
around
and
talking
to
people,
but
that
they
don't
have
necessarily
have
to
be
law
enforcement
officers.
B
When
you
put
those
two
together,
that's
when
you
realize
geez,
we
need
more
tools
in
our
tool
belt.
Somebody
mentioned
me
today
they
said
yeah
when
all
you
have
is
a
hammer.
Everything
looks
like
a
nail
and
I
was
like
that's
right
and
we
need
a
screwdriver.
We
need
an
allen,
wrench
and
then
I
ran
out
of
I
couldn't
think
of
any
other
tools.
But
you
get
the
point.
B
We
need
other
tools
in
the
toolbelt
and
those
three
recommendations
combined
or
what
does
that
two
of
the
recommendations
would
be
city
employees,
and
so
that
became
important
in
the
feedback
that
we
were
gathering.
As
we
were
considering
an
alternative
response
model,
it
seemed
like
there
were
some
benefit
clear
benefits
to
an
alternative
response
model.
B
Maybe
I'll
leave
it
to
jason
to
elaborate
a
bit
further,
but
it
also
seemed
like
in
the
city
that
there
was
a
category
of
responses
where
we
wanted
to
be
sure
that
our
community
solutions
response
was
going
to
be
working
in
close
collaboration
with
our
public
safety
response.
With
this
group
I'll
I'll
speak
about
some
issues
that
you'll
be
very
familiar
with,
which
is
like
the
gorge
rangers
version.
B
Will
you
have
the
collaboration
needed?
Will
you
have
the
close
relationships
and
the
relationship
with
dispatch
to
switch
quickly
between
one
type
of
call
to
another
type
of
call,
and
will
you
have
the
tax
tile,
tuck
house
of
the
law
work?
Will
you
have
the
agility
to
manage
all
of
the
different
demands
for
service
that
come
in
the
city?
If
all
you
have
is
just
a
law
enforcement
department
and
then
a
separate
unaffiliated
alternative
response,
the
report
suggests-
and
our
findings
suggest
that
in
the
city
we
need
all
three.
B
F
Thank
you.
If
I
can
thank
y'all
I'd
do
it.
So
I
I'll
try
to
address
a
few
of
the
questions
that
I
know
laura
you
had
in
donna
with
respect
to
the
budget.
I
think
that
is
something
we
expect
to
develop
over
the
course
of
the
next
few
weeks
with
some
of
these
are
more
shorter
term
initiatives
that
we
can
probably
identify
monetary.
F
You
know
budgets
within
the
next
few
weeks,
as
this
discussion
continues
and
we
start
to
go
down
a
path
of
really
seeing
some
of
them
materialize
and
some
of
them,
like
the
alternative
response
model,
is
something
that's
going
to
have
to
be
developed
over
the
course
of
a
year
and
it's
a
much
larger
investment.
So,
to
your
point
exactly,
I
think
yes,
in
the
matter
of
a
few
weeks,
we'll
be
having
we'll.
E
F
As
far
as
the
county's
proposal
here,
better
align
available
resources
with
emergency
response
needs
by
establishing
a
pilot
program
for
non-emergency
calls.
So
this
was
about
hiring
some
civilian
staff.
I
think
in
the
budget
we
are
in
the
in
this
proposal.
We
propose
hiring
about
three
civilian
staff
to
handle.
F
If
that's
appropriate,
so
I
think
that's
a
kind
of
a
an
understanding
under
crawl
before
you
walk
approach
to
it,
the
the
existing
models
and
implement
evaluate
existing
models
and
implement
an
alternative
to
law
enforcement
response
system
for
crisis
intervention
wrap
around
health
and
human
service
delivery.
That
is
a
much
larger,
probably
one
of
the
larger
proposals
in
this
and
where
we're
looking
at
a
cahoots
type,
perhaps
community
expanded
out
community
outreach
program.
F
I
don't
know
that
supplant
is
the
right
word,
because
I
think
in
a
lot
of
instances,
law
enforcement
is
going
to
continue
to
respond
in
some
form
or
fashion
to
support
the
initiative.
It
may
not
be
as
frequent.
It
may
not
be
as
long
as
a
duration,
and
there
will
be
some
instances
that
this
won't
be
a
response
that
would
be
appropriate
for
non-non-armed.
F
That's
so
much
it's
a
it's
a
12-month
time
frame
that
we've
identified
to
really
understand
existing
models.
There
are
multiple
models
across
the
country.
We
did
some
preliminary
research
as
we
went
through
this.
We
met
with
cahoots
on,
I
met
with
them,
probably
several
different
times,
both
on
the
police
side
of
things
from
eugene
oregon
and
then
also
on
the
the
ngo
side.
F
That
provides
the
service,
and
this
really
had
a
lot
of
mentions
in
our
public
engagement
and
feedback
sessions
that
this
type
of
either
supporting
uniform
officer
response
or
or
being
able
to
support.
That
is
an
important
piece
of
what
we
want
to
look
at
moving
forward.
So
this
again,
I
I
don't
think
will
necessarily
supplant
or
replace
a
uniform
response,
but
will
definitely
aid
and
and
support
the
effort
and
hopefully
provide
a
better
health
and
human
service
response
when
needed.
F
H
G
Thanks,
mr
mayor,
so
I
I'll
also
acknowledge
the
huge
amount
of
work.
This
is
a
really
impressive
document,
given
the
time
constraints
and
the
coveted
constraints,
and
I
also
want
to
recognize
the
input
provided
by
the
sheriff's
office
and
ipd
in
reading
through
this.
I
see
that
they've,
given
some
input
on
this,
so
I
certainly
appreciate
that.
G
I
guess
my
question
comes
to
one
of
the
particular
recommendations
which
is
seeking
ongoing
response
collaboration
from
new
york,
state
troopers,
so
there's
a
statement
in
there
saying
that
I
guess
asking
them
to
adopt
local
reimagining
initiatives.
So
I
guess
the
question
is:
why
that's
a
recommendation?
Firstly,
what's
the
kind
of
background
there,
but
also,
presumably
that
would
apply
to
the
sheriff's
department
as
well,
because
they
have
jurisdiction
within
the
city.
So
I
I'd
like
to
understand.
F
F
We
have
certain
values
and
cultural
expectations
of
our
law
enforcement,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
the
new
york
state
troopers
are
going
to
respect
that
and
respond
in
similar
matters.
It's
also
a
statement
from
the
perspective
that
when
we
go
through
these
different
planning
processes,
we
need
to
ensure
that
we
bring
them
to
the
table
and
participate
in
it.
So
they
understand
how
we're
expecting
our
law
enforcement
to
respond,
what
resources
we
have
available
in
our
community,
that
can
aid
law
enforcement
and
we
would
expect
them
to
collaborate
and
work
with
them.
F
F
This
is
a
holistic
statement
saying
we
want
to
ensure
that
new
york
state
troopers
are
at
the
table
with
us
and
that
if
any
law
enforcement
officer
responds
to
our
constituents
in
our
community,
whether
it's
the
city,
the
county,
whatever
town,
village,
whoever
it
is,
and
whether
it's
a
state,
trooper
thompson,
county
sheriff
or
a
city
with
a
good
police
officer
or
whoever
there's
going
to
be
some
commonality
in
that
response
and
understanding
of
how
we
of
how
we
treat
our
constituents
and
our
residents.
That's
really
what
that's
about.
J
I
also
want
to
express
my
sincere
gratitude
to
everyone
who
worked
very
diligently
and
and
incredibly
on
this
proposal.
I
know
that
there
were
dozens
of
outreach
programs
and
tremendous
effort
was
put
into
reaching
out
to
all
aspects
of
our
community,
and
I
really
want
to
applaud
everyone
for
all
their
work.
J
J
So
a
better
understanding
of
how
the
two
departments
would
work
together,
I'm
very
interested
in
the
process.
That
is
being
outlined
in
terms
of
replacing
the
police
department
with
this
new
department
you
know,
is
it
an
expectation
that
the
current
police
department
would
be
essentially
dissolved
and
employees
would
be
expected
to
apply
for
this
new
department?
J
J
So,
in
terms
of
sort
of
the
you
know,
devil
is
in
the
detail
sort
of
thing.
I'd
like
to
get
a
clearer
idea
of
of
those
steps,
anticipated
steps
and
pass
forward.
You
know
again
just
one
of
the
biggest
questions
people
are
asking:
are
they
going
to
lose
their
job
and
be
expected
to
reapply
for
this
new
department.
B
B
B
So
so
so
that's
one
important
point,
but
the
other
is
there
really
is
no
plan
outside
of
what
exists
on
paper
right
now.
So
all
of
those
questions
would
have
to
be
answered
in
the
implementation.
I
mean
they
have
to
be
answered
as
council
spent,
and
I
think
would
take
years
to
answer
so
you
say:
is
the
police
department
going
to
be
dissolved
replaced
by
another
department?
B
How
do
they
work?
How
are
they
classified?
How
do
they
work
in
collaboration
with
each
other
and
and
those
are
things
that
yeah
that
I
don't
have
answers
to?
The
report
doesn't
have
answers
to.
They
just
have
this
proposed
new
structure,
from
which,
if
we
decide
that
the
new
structure
is
the
right
approach,
the
fundamental
re-examination
of
a
public
safety
department-
if
that's
the
right
approach,
then
we
can
together
start
to
fill
in
the
answers
to
those
questions
we
can,
I
imagine
there'll,
be
a
series
of
votes
about.
B
This
is
what
this
position
should
be
called.
This
is
what
that
position
should
be
called.
This
is
actually
structured.
This
is,
you
know,
work
with
hr
and
civil
service
to
figure
out
how
many
of
each,
whether
it
be
you
know,
do
we
start
with
the
60
officers.
We
have
and
add
20
extra,
or
do
we
go
down
some
number
and
add
more.
I
mean
those.
Those
are
all
questions
that
will
have
to
be
answered,
sequentially
in
an
iterative
and
ongoing
process,
but
I
think
are
the
right
questions.
B
I
think
those
are
the
most
they're,
the
most
pressing
questions.
It's
just
you
can't
you
can't
answer
them
until
you
decide.
Yes,
we're
going
to
pursue
we're
going
to
begin
attempting
to
answer
them.
We're
going
to
hire
folks
to
work
on
a
community
justice
team
we're
going
to
keep
these
working
groups
going
we're
going
to
explore
this
idea
further.
B
B
We
have
a
city
administration
committee
meeting
where
this
discussion
will
continue
next
month
and
then
another
special
committee,
the
whole,
I
guess,
will
be
a
council
meeting
on
march
31st.
We'll
also
have
a
series
of
community
input
sessions
happening
throughout
the
month.
So
I'm
saying
that
to
say
that
there's
more
room
for
public
input,
but
I
do
just
want
to
call
on
the
folks
if
that's
okay,
that
before
you
get
into
the
ci
agenda,.
L
Yeah
we,
we
have
a
very
light
city
administration
committee
agenda
and
I
would
rather
have
everybody,
be
able
to
ask
the
questions
that
they
want
to
ask
this
evening
or
at
least
give
everybody
on
council
a
chance
to
ask.
So
we
can
work
through
everybody
that
had
questions,
and
you
can
add
me
to
the.
B
M
Yeah,
so
you
know,
I
share
a
lot
of
the
questions
and
concerns
that
I've
been
expressed
tonight.
You
know
when
this
was
initially
reported.
It
sound
sounded
like
we
were
sort
of
abolishing
the
department
and
creating
something
entirely
new,
but
just
listening
to
a
lot
of
the
comments
tonight,
it
sounds
like
we're
still
planning
to
keep
a
law
enforcement
agency.
M
However,
it's
going
to
look
and
also
there's
we're
still
planning
to
keep
police,
and
so
I
guess
the
question
I
have
is:
did
the
working
group
consider
a
model
in
which
we
don't
replace
the
police
department
or
rebrand
it
or
whatever?
You
want
to
call
it,
but
just
keep
our
existing
police
department
but
create
a
kahoot
style.
M
Unarmed
response
I
mean
it
seems
like
it's
worked
well
for
eugene.
Is
that
something
that
is
worth
considering
and
also
just
you
know,
as
an
addendum
to
that,
I
share
the
concerns
that
have
been
expressed.
I
mean
that
we're
potentially
looking
at
a
significant
increase
in
cost.
You
know
we
already
have
a
small
sort
of
cahoot
style
response
in
the
community
outreach
worker
program
and
we've
talked
over
the
years
about
expanding
that
and
the
question
that
already
always
comes
up
is:
do
we
have
the
funds
for
it?
M
And
you
know
if
we're
installing
that
within
the
police
department
you're
going
to
have
you
know
public
salaries
and
public
benefits,
which
is
going
to
be
a
big
added
cost
to
the
city?
So
I
just.
I
really
want
to
stress
that
because
I
think
you
know
I
think
in
the
public
representation
of
this
it
seemed
like
we're
suggesting
that
the
police
department
is
going
to
be
replaced
by
this,
but
really
it
sounds
like.
M
Potentially,
this
could
be
an
expansion
on
the
existing
police
department
and
then
the
the
final
question
I
have,
and
you
know
to
that
point
I
would
be
interested
in
hearing
from
dennis.
I
heard
him
in
the
lineup
from
our
police
chief
just
you
know,
because
I've
I've
heard
from-
and
I
know
we
all
have
I've
heard
from
a
lot
of
police
officers
just
very
concerned
about
the
future
of
the
department,
their
jobs
etc.
M
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
police
chief
about
how
he
sees
this
all
working
out
and
then
the
final
question
I
have
is
about
the
community
justice
center,
because
the
report
calls
for
the
creation
of
this
community
justice
center
to
implement
all
of
these
changes,
and
you
know
it's
a
little
vague.
It
says
that
the
county
and
the
city
will
collaborate
to
hire
staff,
so
I'm
assuming
these
are
individuals
that
will
be
hired
by
the
county,
with
county
support
with
city
support
to
to
implement
this,
which
is
a
big
big
project.
M
You
know,
I
guess
the
question
I
would
have
is
just
like:
are
we
prepared
to
do
that?
Are
we
prepared
to
spend
money?
Is
the
city
prepared
to
spend
this
money?
Is
the
county
prepared
to
spend
this
money
to
hire
this
staff
to
see
this
through,
because
this
is
going
to
be
a
really
complicated,
challenging
process?
And
you
know
I
don't
want
to
commit
ourselves
to
something
in
this
report
without
you
know
really
really
having
something
behind
it
like
having
the
political
will
to
actually
do
this
so.
B
N
N
N
N
N
These
proposals
and
I'd
like
to
hear
what
they
don't
like
about
the
proposals
and
why,
I
think
that's
important
before
we
move
forward
and
then
finally,
I'm
just
hoping
we
can
find
a
little
better
language
than
community
solution
worker
that
doesn't
really
roll
off
the
tongue.
To
me,
I
can't
imagine
somebody
in
a
bar
saying:
well,
I'm
a
community
solution
worker,
so
I'm
hoping
we
can
come
up
with
a
little
better
language.
N
B
That's
good
yeah.
The
naming
has
been
a
lot
of
well
I'll
speak
for
myself.
I
can't
speak
for
all
the
authors
of
the
report
and
all
the
people
worked
on
it,
but
I'm
not
attached
to
any
of
the
names
I
I
never
am,
and
I
think
that
so
it's
consistent
bugaboo
in
mind.
I
think
we
we
don't
do
a
good
enough
job
naming
anything
and-
and
that,
like
you,
said
these,
so
I
I
think
all
the
names
can
be
adjusted
for
sure.
B
F
Sure
I'd
be
happy
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
two
things
that
came
up
the
question
about
the
community
justice
center
and
that's
one
of
the
implementation
points
about
this,
and
I
think
it's
for
me
and
I
think,
from
our
perspective,
it's
it's
putting
the
resources
behind
this
as
a
serious
effort
and
notion
by
it
by
the
municipality.
So
let
me
look
at
it
from
this
perspective,
and
maybe
this
is
my
bias.
F
So
if
it
is
please
bear
with
me,
I
think
tompkins
county
has
probably
responded
the
best
to
this
coven
19
pandemic
than
any
county
in
new
york
state.
We
have
the
lowest
infection
rate,
we
have
one
of
the
greatest
and
highest
vaccination
rates.
We
have
tested
more
people
in
this
county
than
the
state
of
idaho
and
wyoming.
F
The
entire
state
we've
done
more
here.
So
the
reason
I
paint
that
picture
is
it's
a
pandemic,
a
public
health
pandemic
and
the
only
way
we
did
that
is
by
putting
human
resources
behind
it.
We
didn't
just
say
in
addition
to
your
normal
duties,
you're
going
to
do
this.
No,
I
said
we're
going
to
assign
you
to
this
responsibility.
F
That
is
what
you're
going
to
do
and
we're
going
to
hire
staff
to
support
that
effort,
as
we
did
as
we've
gone
through
this
process
and
at
times
I
had
you,
know
portions
of
departments
reassigned
to
do
that.
That
was
the
only
way
we
could
respond
effectively
and
that's
one
important
piece
of
the
puzzle.
F
If
we
are
serious
about
taking
that
effort
forward,
we
have
to
put
human
resources
to
help
with
that
process,
and
that's
not
a
project
that
then
once
is
done
and
checked
off
the
box.
It's
a
continual
effort
toward
changing
the
culture
and
the
way
we
provide
a
public
safety
service
and
the
reason
I
say
public
safety
is
while
this
executive
order
was
focused
at
law
enforcement.
Our
perspective
has
been
reimagining
public
safety.
F
Public
safety
is
a
larger
service
than
just
law
enforcement
law
enforcement
partners
with
health
and
human
services,
law
enforcement
partners
with
social
service
there's
a
criminal
criminal
justice
service.
So
my
perspective,
I
think
our
perspective
on
this
is,
if
we're
serious
about
putting
forward
the
best
effort
that
we
can
it's
about
putting
the
resources,
the
human
resources
behind
this
to
to
continue
to
carry
it
forward.
There's
going
to
be
an
enormous
amount
of
coordination,
a
management
across
departments
across
agencies
across
jurisdictions,
ngos,
government
agencies
to
take
these
initiatives
and
move
forward.
F
Some
are
easier
than
others
and
some
are
incredibly
challenging
and
complex,
and
you
can
expect
to
say
all
right
in
addition
to
your
normal
duties
on.
You
know,
whenever
you
have
some
free
time.
I
also
want
you
to
work
on
this
if
we're
going
to
take
a
pandemic
seriously,
which
is
what
I
take
this
as
a
second
pandemic
and
trying
to
minimize
the
racial
disparities
in
in
the
work
that
we
do,
then
we
need
to
put
the
human
resources
behind
it.
F
To
do
that
and
the
you
know,
community
justice
center
for
the
lack
of
a
better
term
is
an
emergency
operations
center
yeah
for
coven
19.
I
was
fortunate
enough.
I'm
fortunate
to
have
some
very
skilled
staff.
Amy
hendricks,
the
deputy
county
administrator,
has
been
the
eoc
commander
from
day
one
she's
pushing
on
basically
51
weeks
right
now
about
another
week,
it'll
be
52
weeks
where
I
said,
drop
everything,
here's
the
pandemic
plan
and
go
up
and
help
the
health
department
and
and
that's
the
same
type
of
response.
F
We
have
to
do
that
to
support
any
transitions
and
change
that
takes
place
with
our
law
enforcement
agencies
to
provide
them
the
support
to
do
it.
Managing
these
are
very
complex
issues.
I'm
gonna
have
a
lot
of
different
stakeholders,
so
I
think
that's
that's
the
purpose
behind
the
community
justice
center
and
frankly,
without
that
support,
it's
gonna
be
an
already
difficult
challenge
and
climb
to
be
able
to
put
the
resources
in
place
to
to
make
substantive
change.
So
I
think
that's
that
would
be
my
response
to
earlier
today.
F
So
I've,
given
this
presentation
three
times
today
and
and
and
the
question
came
down,
I
don't
remember
what
meeting
it
was
in.
It
said
the
question
came
up
saying.
You
know
folks
have
said
that
this
is
an
unfunded
mandate
or
the
claim
when
the
governor
put
the
executive
order
out
is
an
unfunded
mandate.
I
said
I
don't
really
think
it's
an
unfunded
mandate
if
you
want
to
make
the
change
in
the
community.
F
F
F
I
could
over
two
and
a
half
three
million
just
with
staff
dedicated
resources
time
to
it
that's
one
year.
So
if
we're
talking
about
changing
systems
that
have
taken
decades
to
get
to
this
point,
it's
going
to
be
that
type
of
investment
over
decades.
Moving
forward
the
question
about
mental
health,
so
I
can
answer
questions
on
that.
If
you'd
like
that's.
F
F
I
don't
think
anyone
has
at
least
I
haven't
and
I've
in
my
conversations
with
our
mental
health
commissioner,
it's
not
something
that
we
say
has
to
be
done
in-house,
in
fact,
to
someone's
point
of
brought
up
earlier,
the
cost
of
a
public
service
can
be
more
expensive
and
less
flexible
at
times
than
if
we
were
to
contract
with
an
ngo.
We
have
great
service
providers
in
the
community.
F
So
as
far
as
we
look
at
that
alternative
response
model,
you
know
I
would
say
that
the
model
that
we've
seen
in
other
communities
across
the
country,
where
it's
a
contracted
service
with
non-profits
or
non-profit,
is
probably
the
solution
we
would
gravitate
to.
The
only
thing
I
would
say
is
that
we
may
find
that
we
need
to.
We
do
need
to
invest
in
certain
things
like
a
mobile
crisis
team,
whether
that's
internally
or
whether
it's
externally,
I
don't
think
that's
yet
to
be
determined.
F
You
know
georgia
unless
the
city
would
like
to
give
the
mental
health
business,
but
you
know,
if
not,
I
think
it's
something
we
would
probably
want
to
partner
with
with
you
know
the
agencies
that
we
have
in
the
human
service
agencies
we
have
in
the
community,
because
you
have
some
great
services
here
and
we're
probably
ability
to
be
fair
and
I'll.
Can
this
best
position
to
to
facilitate
that
that
conversation
and
move
that
forward.
B
Thank
you
and
jason's
answer
thorough
and
impressive
is
always
reminds
me
that
I
saw
I
have
chief
mayor,
then
rapped
and
dug
and
docks,
but
I
do
want
to
after
that
call
on
dr
lisa
gonzalez
and
dr
shawn
eversley,
with
gradwell
just
to
weigh
in
a
bit
about
the
community
input
that
jason
touched
on.
That
is
really
driving
this
report
and
if
you
don't
read
those
appendices,
it's
hard
to
see
the
urgency
here
and
I
do
just
want
to
spotlight
how
much
person
I
witnessed.
You
know
there
were
folks
that
would
not
speak
to
us.
B
They
would
not
speak
to
me.
They
would
not
speak
to
law
enforcement.
They
would
not
speak
to
facilitators
the
most
vulnerable
and
marginalized
people
in
our
community,
but
they
agreed
to
speak
to
dr
gonzalez
and
dr
bradwell,
and
that
input
really
did
inform
several
of
these
recommendations,
so
not
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
That's
why
I
want
to
give
you
a
little
heads
up
of
four
or
five
speakers
before
calling
on
you
to
talk
a
bit
about
how
the
process
went
from
your
perspective
and
what
you
see
in
these
recommendations.
I
So
we
all
agree.
The
things
that
we
all
agree
on
is
that
police
cannot
do
everything
we've
become
the
catch-all.
We've
become
the
casual
because
we're
really
good
at
what
we
do,
but
because
of
that,
we
deal
with
things
that
are
not
police
related,
and
we
all
agree
that
we
have
to
find
ways
to
deal
with
mental
illness,
addiction,
homelessness
and
inequities.
All
those
things
there's
been
unanimous
agreement.
That's
true
with
that.
I
There's
been
a
lot
of
frustration
because,
as
chief
I
was
put
in
this
position
unanimously
by
this
entire
council
recommended
by
the
mayor,
but
I
wasn't
given
the
opportunity
to
give
my
thoughts
on
what
the
recommendations
forward
should
be,
knowing
that
we
all
do
agree
on
where
we
need
to
go.
The
frustration
is
right
now.
This
is
such
a
radical
plan
that
it's
basically
looking
to
change
the
entire
department.
Where
now
people
do
not
have
job
security.
I
You
know
consistently
because
we
deal
with
20
to
25.
000
calls
for
service
per
year
and
very
rarely
does
anything
go
wrong
and
it's
because
they
put
in
so
much
tremendous
effort
and
they
do
an
excellent
job
when
something
does
go
wrong.
We
address
it
we're
transparent
and
we
are
a
department
that
is
always
willing
to
grow.
You
know
when
we
saw
this
both
from
my
perspective
and
from
an
officer's
perspective.
I
This
was
an
opportunity,
one
where
we
could
highlight
a
lot
of
the
really
good
things
we
we're
currently
doing
have
done
and
we're
on
the
trajectory
to
do
and-
and
I
think
that's
really
important-
because
in
a
lot
of
ways,
I
thought
it
would
be
a
way
that
we
could
boast
the
things
that
executive
order,
203
and
the
themes
were
looking
for.
You
know
whether
it's
the
type
of
training,
the
fact
that
people
come
from
the
outside
to
us
to
get
trained
on
things
that
de-escalation
reality-based
training.
I
I
I
It
just
seems
honestly,
like
we
were
risking,
throwing
out
the
baby
with
the
bath
water
and-
and
that's
me
speaking,
100
honestly
and
then
the
the
other
component
of
this
is
that
there
is
opportunity
here,
I
think,
for
us
to
take
on
some
of
the
aspects
that
are
listed
in
here,
because
there
are
things
that
officer
wellness.
I've
been
pushing
that,
since
I
came
here,
is
huge.
We
need
to
have
that.
I
I
That's
bad
that
we
have
to
respond
to,
and
and
fortunately
we
do
not
use
that
all
the
time,
but
I
will
say
to
not
have
a
piece
of
equipment
like
that
when
we
need
it,
when
everything
goes
really
bad,
the
outcome
will
be
different
than
if
we
do
have
it.
So
again,
those
are
the
two
things
I
I
hope
that
we
could
have
continued
conversation
on
this,
that
we
can
all
meet
the
ends
that
we
want
to
meet.
I
know
the
speaking
to
members
of
the
department.
I
B
O
B
Fact,
I
think,
there's
a
responsibility
for
communities.
Let
me
let
me
put
it
this
way,
and
I
know
a
lot
of
the
officers
have
reacted
this
way.
This
is
what
you
would
do
to
a
bad
police
department
right,
and
I
just
I
disagree.
I
disagree
with
that.
The
governor's
executive
order,
203
wasn't
targeting
certain
departments,
it
didn't
say
in
specifically
nypd
you
have
to
do
this
or
in
departments
with
x
number
of
complaints
about
them.
You
have
to
do
this
executive
order.
B
203
said
every
municipality
with
a
law
enforcement
agency
has
to
undergo
a
deep
transformative
series
of
reforms,
and
it's
because
this
is
not
about
one
agency.
It
is
about
the
way
we
deliver
public
safety
and
the
uprisings
this
past
year,
demonstrating
that
decades
of
of
mistrust.
Jason
said
it
better
than
that
decades
of
mistrust
have
led
to
an
eruption
and
need
to
be
fully
addressed,
and
the
to
be
a
very
good
department
does
not
mean
a
deep
structural
transformation.
Can't
make
you
an
even
better
one.
That's
is
my
point,
so
I
have
rob
deb
duckson.
P
Yeah,
thank
you
cevante.
So
actually
my
question
was
about
the
cjc,
so
jason
did
a
great
job
of
answering
that
so
I'll
that
one's
taken
care
of,
let
me
just
make
two
quick
points.
First,
is
to
add
my
thanks
to
everyone
involved
in
this
terrific
work
and
in
particular
I
want
to
make
sure
we
don't
lose
and
then
samantha.
I
think,
you've
highlighted
this.
We
don't
lose
the
fact
that
it
was
this.
P
Terrific
work
was
done
through
this
collaborative
process,
so
the
the
city
and
the
county-
terrific,
but
also
inviting
in
our
friends
from
the
community
as
well
and
both
palisa
and
sean,
are
great
examples
of
that.
So
thank
you.
Everyone
for
that
and
then
make
another
point
about.
Some
others
have
brought
up
the
the
budgetary
and
financial
impact
of
this.
I
think
it
will
be
very
important
for
us
to
try
to
get
a
handle.
I
mean
I
recognize.
P
We
can't
put
dollar
amounts
against
every
one
of
these
ideas
at
the
moment,
but
the
sooner
we
can
understand
the
scope
of
what
we
are
hoping
for
and
what
that
has
on
the
impact
on
our
budget
and
how
things
might
not
be
able
to
be
funded
and
what
impact
that
has
on
the
plan
will
be
really
important.
So
the
sooner
we
can
get
our
heads
wrapped
around
it
the
better.
So
thank
you
for
that
work.
B
Thank
you
rob
next
is
deb
and
yeah.
I
I
I
I
am
running
out
of
ways
to
share.
I
mean
I
know
you,
everybody
sharing
for
the
same
reason,
which
is
that,
like
it
is
hard
to
make
a
decision
about
whether
to
go
forward
or
not
without
these
questions
answered,
and
it's
also
hard
to
answer
these
questions
until
we
know
if
we're
going
to
go
forward
and
you
so
we're
all
caught
in
a
pretty
difficult
place,
and
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
that
that
it
is
that
is
just
art
which
is
hard.
O
L
L
I
want
to
encourage
everyone
who's
watching
and
listening
to
this,
to
really
read
the
entire
report.
I
think
it's
unfortunate
some
of
the
snippets
that
had
been
pulled
out
and
reported
in
the
media.
I
don't
think
it
represents
the
full
depth
and
breadth
and
scope
of
the
work
that
was
done
in
the
recommendations.
So
I
really,
I
know
it
is
a
lot
to
get
through.
L
L
L
The
one
item
on
the
list
of
things
to
do
is
this
acknowledgement
of
the
healing
process
for
our
community.
I
think
it
also
talked
very
specifically
about
this,
this
notion
of
being
trauma
informed
and
that
both
sides
of
the
equation
have
experienced
some
of
that
trauma.
Our
law
enforcement
is
overworked,
stressed,
there's
a
lot
of
them,
they're
being
asked
to
do
tons
and
tons
of
things
and,
as
dennis
said,
they
they
do
normally
respond
in
a
very
professional
and
responsible
and
and
and
stellar
way,
and
they
are
dealing
with
people
at
their
worst.
L
I've
also
been
happy
to
be
serving
on
this
committee.
That's
looking
at
the
operational
efficiencies
and
it's
been
really
eye
opening
for
me
to
learn
all
of
the
kinds
of
things
that
our
police
respond
to.
I
think
everybody
will
be
interested
to
see
sort
of
that
information
when
that
comes
out,
and
so
we're
starting
to
take
a
look
at
things
and
and
delineate
it
you
know,
does
do
the
police
belong.
Answering
these
certain
things,
also
giving
council
fair
warning.
L
My
one
specific
question,
though,
is
the
recommendation
that
talks
about
a
pilot
program
for
non-emergency
calls:
that's
only
listed
as
a
county
recommendation
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
is
something
where
there
could
be
additional
collaborative
work
done,
and
I'm
also
wondering
if
you
talked
a
little
bit
more
about
the
overlays
of
the
various
entities
that
do
public.
You
know
emergency
response.
L
B
F
Yeah
I
mean
it's,
I
think
it's
it's
an
approach
of
trying
to
decipher.
You
know
our
uniformed
officers
respond
to
a
lot
of
different
calls.
Not
all
of
them
require
a
uniformed
officer,
so
some
of
the
I
don't
want
to
say,
administrative
calls
or-
or
you
know,
when
I
don't
have
the
list
in
front
of
me-
I
apologize
but
from
the
report
I
think
we
identified
some
of
those
types
of
calls
that
that
could
be
taken.
You
know,
complaints
being
filed
on
those
types
of
things
could
be
done
with
a
civilian
staff.
F
Member
two
things
can
happen.
One
there
has
to
be
an
internal
routing
of
it.
You
know:
where
does
it
go
after
that?
How
is
it
followed
up
with,
and
that
might
be
with
an
investigator
it
might
be
with
an
officer,
but
also
it
can.
It
can
be
a
potential
of
a
a
triage
of
the
call
prior
to
it
going
to
uniform
officers.
Q
Q
I'm
not
going
into
that
idea
that
there
could
be
a
reallocation
of
personnel
and
resources
such
that
we
end
up
with
with
a
public
safety
department
that
is
of
the
same
size
and
that's
something
we
have
to
determine.
If,
if
we
already
provide,
we
may
just
need
more
resources.
Maybe
not
everything
is
is
taken
care
of
in
the
city,
and
so
that's
an
important
piece.
Q
I
think
rebranding
is
important.
It's
something
that
donna
brought
up
even
before
this
kicked
off.
You
know
she
asked
like
if
we
could
maybe
change
the
uniforms
or
something
to
make
them
less
modeled
after
the
military
address,
and
I
thought
that
was
a
great
idea
and
I'm
glad
that
was
included,
and
I
know
that
the
chief
and
and
former
chiefs
are
really
frustrated
about
the
swat
vehicle.
Q
But
I
did
have
a
question
about
and
I'll
let
the
professors
take
this
up
because
they're
up
next
is
I'm
curious
if
there
were
specific
ideas
of
which
of
the
two
worker
types
get
dispatched
to
things
or
if
that's
something
that
we
will
survey
based
on
what
other
municipalities
have
done.
I
know
that's
one
of
the
appendices.
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
read
through
that,
but
I
think
that's
one
detail
in
particular
that
people
will
be
curious
about
understanding.
B
Yeah,
I
don't
just
know
that
I,
I
think
the
short
I
know
sorry
I'll.
Let
the
dr
gonzalez
talk
to
brad
will
go
too,
but
I'll
just
know
that,
actually,
in
my
reading
of
the
report
and
the
recommendations,
a
lot
of
the
things
that
actually
end
up
trickling
up
to
council
trickle
up
here,
because
that
there
is
not
existing
a
good
response
for
it.
So
there's
dogs
and
comments.
What
do
we
do?
People
are?
The
dogs
are
behaving
badly.
Do
we
really
send
an
officer
for
that
events?
B
Julie's
on
the
on
the
line,
my
gosh,
how
hard
it
is
to
get
law
enforcement
officers
to
block
off
roads
so
that
a
parade
can
go
by
and
that
the
leos
are
frustrated
because
they're,
like
we
have
other
law
enforcement
work
to
do
and
you're
pulling
us
off
to
to
stand
in
front
of
a
barricade
during
the
festival
parade.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
those
type
of
goals
are
envisioned,
but
I
I
will
say
it
really
is.
It
really
is
a
you
know
that
it's
not
fully
designed
yet
is
an
understatement.
R
So
I
want
to
begin
by
giving
a
huge
shout
out
to
shelly
michelle
nunn.
It
was
really
her,
I
mean
she's
the
reason
I'm
involved
it
would
you
know
and
stay
involved
and
and
and
it
actually
wasn't
people
who
wouldn't
talk
to
you-
that
wouldn't
that
talk
to
dr
bradwell
and
myself,
they
actually
didn't
talk
to
us
either.
R
Nobody
trusted
this
process
and
the
fact
that
people
participated
anyway.
I
think,
is
just
such
a
testament
to
the
folks
that
were
involved.
We
had
richard
rivera
who
went
and
picked
folks
up
right
and-
and
we
did
have
a
few
in-person
focus
groups
for
for
folks
who
don't
have
access
to
the
technology,
and
I
know
that
dominic
did
did
a
really.
R
Just
can't
be
overstated,
and
I
say
that
in
part
because
the
you
know
folks
would
say
that
and
then
immediately
they
would
talk
about.
We've
done
this
before
we've
been
here.
We
know
this
and
there's
never
any
money
put
behind
us.
So
when
folks
are
bringing
up
the
budget,
I'm
thinking
to
myself
yeah-
and
we
heard
all
about
that
right
and
so
it's
you
know
we
have.
R
R
I
I
see
a
lot
of
overlap
there,
and
so
I
was.
I
was
happy
to
see
that,
and
specifically
the
one
that's
gotten
the
most
attention
about
the
you
know.
Reorganization
is
what
it
looks
like
to
me,
although
I
don't,
I
don't
have
all
the
language
of
the
the
police
department
that
to
me
was
absolutely
reflected
in
what
we
heard,
because
folks.
R
The
the
experiences
that
they
were
relaying
for
the
most
part
wouldn't
actually
rise
to
the
level
of
data
that
you
would
see,
so
they
were
talking
most
often
about
everyday
interactions
with
officers
right,
not
ones.
I
mean
there
were
ones
that
resulted
in
arrest
and
other
types
of
situations,
but
for
the
most
part
they
were
talking
about
the
everyday
interactions
where
they
felt
dehumanized.
R
They
felt
unseen.
They
felt
stereotyped
and
and
at
this
in
one,
so
they
wanted
their
humanity
scene
in
the
same
way
that
they
were
also
willing
to
see
the
humanity
of
the
officers.
So
they
talked
about
officers
being
overworked
and
who
takes
care
of
them
and
who
do
they
talk
to
at
the
end
of
the
day?
R
And
so
and
I
say
that,
because
that
level
of
interaction
is
not
necessarily
what's
going
to
show
up
in
the
training
and
what's
going
to
show
up
in
the
data
that
you
look
at,
but
that's
what
these
folks
talked
most
often
about,
and
so
I
have
no
doubt
that
you
know
the
the
dashboard
and
the
which
is
data
we
didn't
look
at.
That
was
not
our
charge
right.
You
know.
R
Look
the
particular
way,
but
that
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
what
is
happening
on
the
day-to-day
is
making
foes
feel
safe,
built
makes
making
folks
feel
like
they're
a
part
of
a
community,
and
in
fact-
and
this
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
findings
that
I
shared
early
on
you
know
there
are.
There-
are
whole
communities
in
this
in
this
in
in
the
county.
R
That
will
wait
for
a
situation
like
try
and
handle
a
situation
themselves
and
really
wait
until
it
escalates
to
a
point
where
they
can't
anymore
and
that's
when
they
call
the
the
officers
in,
and
so
I
don't
you
know
so
so
again,
we're
we're
not
like.
You,
don't
really
get
the
full
the
complete
picture
with,
if
you're,
not
thinking
about
the
sort
of
everyday
interactions
of
folks
and
how
folks
are
coping
within
a
system
that
they
don't
trust.
R
I
I
do
see
a
reflection
of
what
of
what
at
least
I
saw
in
in
the
in
the
groups,
and
so
I
just
written
down
a
few
things
that
I
wanted
to
say.
I
know
no
one
asked
those
questions
and
so
I'll,
just
I'll
turn
it
over
to
to
sean.
Do
what
you
jotted
down
what
you
want
to
say,
but
I
am
also
happy
to
ask
answer,
questions
and
ducks,
and
I
apologize.
I
didn't
catch
that
they're.
The
end
of
your
question.
S
Well,
the
first
thing,
thank
you
and
again
you
all
know
me
hopefully
or
I'll,
put
my
email
in
and
happy
to
even
in
kovid,
you
can
buy
me
lunch
whenever
you
want
so
we'll
try
to
connect
to
deb.
I
also
want
to
say
that,
as
a
city
resident,
I
was
part
of
the
backyard
chicken
pilot
program,
so
I
have
my
chicken
registration,
I'm
I'm
legal
in
that
regard.
S
I
know
julie
holcomb's
on
the
line
as
well
julie,
if
I'm
not
up
to
date,
please
let
me
know,
but
the
the
questions
that
you
all
are
asking
are
real
and
all
I
would
do
is
sort
of
reiterate
what
dr
gonzalez
said,
one
to
remind
people,
at
least
for
the
appendix
that
we
wrote
that
our
task
was
to
over
over
sample
the
most
marginalized
communities
right.
We
live
in
a
community
that
oftentimes
gets
described
as
being
hyper-educated
in
some
way
describing
our
community.
S
That
way
is
factual
and
it
is
actually
ignoring
47
of
the
community
in
the
county,
which
does
not
have
a
college
degree
right.
So
there's
a
large
part
of
our
community
who
will
not
come
to
a
meeting
who
will
not
speak
via
the
portal,
who
would
not
come
to
something
online,
so
our
job
was
to
oversample
a
population
that
historically
does
not
get
sampled
at
all
and
the
recommendations
that
we
included
are
not
recommendations
from
us.
We
want
to
be
exceptionally
clear
about
that.
S
S
I
think,
given
the
constant
interactions,
that
many
of
the
groups
that
we
were
using,
the
focus
groups
from
are
very
much
aware
of
the
overwork
that
officers
experience,
and
so
they
would
say
that,
like
you
know,
we
we
need
law
enforcement
one.
We
also
know
they're
overworked.
So
that
was
something
that
was
was
very
eye-opening.
S
Folks
without
question
do
not
trust
the
process
they
reported
to
any
number
of
other
initiatives
to
do
this
work.
The
worst
mistake
we
could
make.
This
is
me
talking
is
an
action,
and
so,
if
nothing
comes
and
if
we
find
ways
to
constantly
knock
down
each
of
the
recommendations,
we
will
be
in
a
worse
position
in
terms
of
lack
of
trust
in
community
building
than
we
are
at
this
moment,
and
and
that's
the
only
that's
the
part.
That
brings
me
a
little
bit
of
concern
as
a
school
board
member
with
a
139
million
dollar
budget.
S
S
A
good
number
of
those
recommendations
are
reflected
in
the
19
recommendations,
and
I
know
there's
nuance
and
I
know
there's
work
to
be
done,
but
I
think
we
we
are.
We
would
miss
an
opportunity
if
we
did
not
try
to
find
a
way
to
affirm
our
community
and
that's
exactly
what
I
think
executive
order.
203
was
demanding
of
elected
municipalities.
B
Thank
you.
Thank
you
honestly,
thank
you
all
and,
and
I
want
to
repeat
that
this
is
only
the
beginning,
not
just
of
the
next
month
of
public
input.
There's
another
public
input
session
tomorrow
at
6
30
that
everyone
can
both
watch
and
participate
in
there'll,
be
a
series
held
by
us
in
the
county
in
a
number
of
community
groups
and
then
the
next
time
this
group
will
discuss.
It
will
be
at
the
city
administration
committee
next
month.
B
K
B
There's
a
good
reason
for
that.
There's
a
ton
to
talk
about
here
and-
and
I
expect
these
next
meetings
to
also
be
very
thorough
and
we'll
we'll
dive
even
deeper
into
the
reports.
So
thank
you
all.
Thanks
to
our
guest
jason,
balisa
sean,
we
really
really
appreciate
it.
Dominic
diana.
Thank
you
very
much
for
joining
us
and
for
all
your
work
and
thank
you
all
council
is
there.
Is
there
a
motion
to
return?
B
A
A
A
A
A
A
M
Q
A
L
T
L
A
L
A
L
So
we'll
just
call
sitting
administration
to
order
first,
we
I
don't
have
any
adjustments
to
the
agenda,
I'm
assuming
and
nobody
else
does
nope.
Okay
great.
We
need
to
approve
our
minutes.
Thank
you.
As
always,
denise
is
there
someone
willing
to
approve
our
january
minutes
or
move
grant
graham
seconded
by
george,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
our
minutes
and
that
carries
unanimously?
Thank
you.
L
A
A
O
A
U
Okay,
for
those
of
you
that
don't
know
me
I'm
peter
meskel,
I
previously
served
as
the
sheriff
of
tompkins
county
for
12
years
prior
to
that
five
years
on
the
county
legislature
and
four
years
as
a
village
trustee
before
I
really
get
started.
I
also
want
to
ensure
transparency
in
our
discussion
or
my
discussion
to
you
and
indicate
for
those
that
don't
know.
My
son
michael,
is
a
sergeant
with
the
ethical
police
department-
I'm
not
here
to
champion
his
cause,
but
to
give
you
my
observations
of
what
I've
been
able
to
digest
so
far.
U
In
regards
to
the
report
and
the
plethora
of
appendices,
I
haven't
gotten
through
all
yet
to
be
very
fruitful
with
you,
but
I've
tried
hard.
I
spent
literally
my
entire
day
working
through
it.
Where
else
do
I
want
to
go
here
during
my
first
few
years,
as
sheriff
as
most
of
you
know,
I
never
was
in
law
enforcement,
and
I
worked
70
plus
hours
a
week
for
the
first
couple
years
to
try
to
absorb
all
the
facets
of
the
sheriff's
office,
all
of
which
serve
the
city
residents.
U
I
think
somebody
had
a
question
about
that.
I
would
say,
probably
60
to
65
percent
of
the
county
budget
in
the
sheriff's
office
goes
to
services
that
serve
every
single
resident
in
the
county
between
the
jail
and
the
civil
office,
and
I
think
that
still
holds
true.
Today,
it's
been
a
formula.
That's
been
existence
for
quite
a
while.
U
In
the
early
2000s
it
became
apparent
to
me
in
the
county
people
within
the
county
sheriff's
office.
We
needed
some
sort
of
highly
trained
tactical
team.
I
spoke
with
chief
basil,
who
was
the
chief
at
the
time
ipd
we
discussed
the
possibility
of
adding
deputies
to
a
joint
city
county
team
prior
to
that,
the
team
was
formed,
as
you
all
know,
in
reference
to
a
death
of
city,
police
officer
padula,
and
it
was
just
a
city
team.
U
After
several
months
of
using
models
talking
with
city
staff,
county
staff,
we
all
came
to
an
agreement,
an
agreement
that
is
still
used
to
this
day
and
operates
well,
and
I
would
say
I'm
happy
to
say
that
I
believe
the
team
is
a
success,
hard
work,
long
time,
leadership,
okay,
including
chief
barbour
and
chief
tyler,
who
used
to
be
here.
I've
read
through
some
of
these
things.
U
Unfortunately,
I
saw
the
mayor's
apology
to
employees
and
some
of
these
conclusions,
and
some
of
the
discussion
leads
to.
I
think
some
problems
they're
coming
forward.
One
is
you
can't
accomplish
police
reform
and
solid
public
safety
practices
when
you
hold
the
employment
of
your
staff
over
their
head
and,
as
the
governor
said
in
his
letter
on
august
17th
to
executives
and
police
leaders
in
the
state,
maintaining
his
quote:
maintaining
public
safety
is
imperative
and
is
one
of
the
essential
roles
of
government.
He
further
indicated.
U
U
In
my
humble
opinion,
the
proposal
has
exists,
is
not
a
set
of
policies
rather
kind
of
a
a
document
or
documents
have
been
put
together,
don't
have
to
have
a
direction,
but
really
don't
want
a
direction
and
haven't
been
flushed
out,
and
I
would
urge
you
I'll
just
finish.
It
say
I
would
urge
you
to
work
with
all
parties.
Community
members,
the
police,
as
the
chief
indicated,
and
try
to
make
a
positive
change.
I
know
it
can
be
done.
U
G
L
L
C
Hi
all
first,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
work
with
the
public
safety
changes.
It's
definitely
a
thorny
issue
and
I
really
appreciate
your
efforts
to
navigate
it
the
best
way
possible,
with
all
the
competing
interests
so
kudos
to
you
all,
switching
tracks.
As
you
probably
know,
I've
been
helping
to
lead
the
local
coalition
ithacans
for
responsible
technology,
as
we
try
to
minimize
the
harm
of
new,
unnecessary
cell
towers
in
izaka.
C
I've
been
heartened
by
that
both
the
city
and
the
town
have
been
working
with
attorney
andrew
campanelli
to
write
new
guidelines
and
codes
that
will
maximize
safety
for
ithacans.
Now
I've
gotten
regular
updates
from
the
town
officials
as
they
complete
their
work,
and
it
looks
as
though
they're
adopting
some
excellent
new
wireless
codes
around
this.
So
that's
great,
but
I
haven't
heard
many
if
any
details
about
the
city
work.
So
I'm
wondering
if
someone
tonight
could
possibly
share
the
answers
to
the
following
questions:
one:
where
are
you
in
the
process?
C
A
L
L
O
L
V
O
V
City
staff
had
already
prepared
a
full
set
of
design
guidelines
to
retain
mr
campanelli
and
mr
campanelli
is
still
working
on
those
on
his
some
advice
to
the
common
council.
My
most
recent
understanding
of
the
status
is
that
he
will
have
hopefully
have
materials
ready
before
the
next
city
administration
committee
meeting,
and
I
we
haven't
seen
those
materials
yet
so
I
really
can't
depend
on
whether
they'll
be
in.
D
V
V
The
city
did
opt
to
do
that,
so
I
think
the
town
did
may
have
opted
to
retain
mr
campanelli
on
a
very
limited
basis,
on
a
like
hourly
basis
for
a
few
hours
of
his
time
on
some
very
limited
advice,
but
he's
not
writing
a
large
memo
for
them.
As
my
understanding,
I'm
not
deeply
involved
in
the
talents
process,
so
perhaps
I'm
missing
something
there,
but
that's
my
understanding.
V
Thank
you.
So
the
answer
is
that
the
town
like
the
city
staff
town,
what
I
presume
to
be
town
staff,
though
I
don't
know-
must
have
gone
ahead
and
drafted
their
own
design
guidelines,
just
as
city
staff
did
even
well
before
the
town
did.
So.
If
you're,
looking
at
top
timeline,
the
city
staff
completed
our
design
guidelines
proposed
to
you,
you,
then
elected
to
retain
mr
campanelli
town
staff,
then
prepare
their
design
guidelines.
L
And
steph,
and
I
will
talk
about
what
makes
the
most
sense
I
think
we
were
in
discussion
about
which
committee
does
it
make
sense
to
run
the
actual
design
guidelines
through
because
of
particular
level
of
expertise
of
the
kind
of
work
that
each
committee
normally
deals
with.
They
might
be
better
analyzed
at
planning
instead
of
ca.
We
could
also
always
choose
to
have
them
at
ca
and
have
members
of
planning
present.
L
V
L
G
G
The
way
this
has
started
with
the
department
feeling
like
it's
being
targeted,
but
I
do
think
and
deb
made
this
point
about
this-
being
a
much
broader
initiative
with
the
county's
input
as
well
and
looking
at
ways
that
we
can
really
improve
public
safety
rather
than
just
kind
of
saying
we
need
to
change
the
police
department.
I
mean,
I
think
it's.
G
It
is
unfortunate
that
that
kind
of
perception
has
already
started
and
we
obviously
have
to
work
in
the
meetings
ahead
to
talk
about
you
know
what
the
impact
is.
I
think
several
of
us
in
the
previous
meeting
talked
about
wanting
to
hear
more
from
the
officers
in
the
department
at
the
upcoming
meetings,
but
I
do
think
there's
a
huge
amount
of
community
input.
G
That's
gone
into
this
and,
as
I
said,
I
I
see
this
as
a
not
a
revisiting
of
the
same
situation,
but
really
addressing
a
lot
of
issues
that
have
come
up
over
previous
years,
and
so
I'm
hoping
in
the
meetings
that
are
coming
up
and
there
will
be
many
of
them
that
there'll
be
more
information,
exchanged
and
more
discussion
amongst
the
colleagues.
So
this
as
as
as
people
have
said,
this
is
really
just
the
start
of
the
discussion
for
us
in
the
next
month
or
so.
L
Great
thank
you
and
andrew
had
a
question
in
the
chat.
The
committee
agendas
are
posted
the
friday
before
the
meeting
so
to
see
where
it
ends,
and
we
can
try
to
just
put
a
quick
communication
out,
but
we
have
to
have
agenda
items
turned
into
those
of
us
that
are
committee
chairs.
We
usually
do
some
negotiating
about
what
goes
where,
but
the
friday
before
every
city
meeting
so
the
friday
before
the
wednesday.
L
K
No
actually
not
too
much
still
early
in
21,
so
so
far
just
quickly
sales
tax.
We
had
budgeted
basically
about
11
little
over
11
reduction
and
the
first
two
payments
so
far
have
been
just
about
10
reductions
so
within
within
our
budget.
So
far,
but
it's
early
so
hopefully
things
improve
as
we
move
forward.
L
L
Great
okay
and
then
the
only
other
thing
on
the
agenda
is
just
to
give
a
brief
update
on
this
city
government
structure
working
group.
We
had
our
first
meeting,
so
the
representatives
are
myself
and
seth
and
donna
and
rob
and
shelly,
and
who
am
I
missing-
dan,
sorry,
dad
and-
and
we
have
mapped
out
a
scope
of
work
and
sort
of
the
first
task
of
the
group.
I
think
donna
is
putting
sort
of
an
almost
like
a
white
paper
outline
together
for
the
group.
L
We
obviously
will
need
to
have
some
consultation
with
ari
and
julie
at
some
point,
because
if
we
head
in
the
direction
of
a
referendum
which
it
looks
like
we
might,
then
we're
going
to
need
some
guidance
and
advice
on
on
how
that
will
work.
So
we
will
be
able
to
share,
I
think
at
least
our
scope,
scope
of
work
and
maybe
a
rough
outline
of
what
we're
looking
at
doing.
I
would
say
at
the
next
city
administration
committee
meeting
so
quickie
update.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
that.
L
I
don't
see
any
okay.
Anything
we
need
to.
It
sounds
like
our
next
meeting
is
going
to
be
full
of
lots
of
comments
and
and
questions,
because
we
will
be
looking
in
one
of
our
last
opportunities
to
look
at
the
police
reform.
So
that'll
come
through
ca.
So,
oh
I'm,
sorry,
george,
is
that.
Do
you
have
your
hand
up.
N
N
L
P
L
So
that's
an
excellent
question:
we've
been
having
some
discussions
on
the
side
about
how
to
best
support
them
dan,
and
I
have
been
trying
to
support
them
continuing
to
work
on
pieces
that
they
were
working
on
with
like
limited
staff
support.
So
there
are,
there
is
work
being
done
on
the
commissions.
I
know
there's
circulating
of
some
of
the
work
that
was
being
done
around
an
accessibility
coordinator.
I
know
that
there
is
something
that's
going
to
be
coming
through
from
matcom.
L
I
know
monica
has
been
keeping
a
small
group
of
people
functioning
on
some
of
the
sort
of
more
routine
elements
from
pruner,
so
they're
functioning
they're.
Not
we
just
don't
have
the
staff
capacity
to
help
maintain
everything
while
we
continue
to
triage
and
while
we
continue
to
be
in
zoomlandia,
this
is
this
is
the
best
that
we
can
do
so
we're.
L
I
think
dan
and
I
are
gonna-
try
to
convene
at
least
the
chairs
of
the
four
commissions
at
some
point
to
try
to
give
them
the
support
that
they
need
in
order
in
order
to
work,
we've
empowered
them
to
go
ahead
and
continue
meeting
and
some
of
the
the
commissions
were
still
in
the
middle
of
doing
work.
So
some
of
them
have
still
been
meeting.
L
L
L
So
what
we've
said
is
you
can
finish
the
stuff
you
were
working
on
and
then
we
will
take
a
look
at
how
to
do
sort
of
a
soft
reset
of
them
once
we
have
the
ability
to
do
so.
We
know
that
we
also
need
to
do
some
work
on
recruitment
and
membership
and
applications
and
kind
of
repopulating
the
commissions
as
well.
So
it.
U
U
G
P
P
A
Yeah,
the
issue
of
of
appointments
is
in
interesting
one
because
you
know
we
generally
have
been.
You
know
before
covid
we
were
trying
to
get
a
lot
of.
You
know
wide
representation
on
our
commissions
from
across
our
community
and-
and
you
know,
in
order
to
have
them
not
just
be
the
the
normal
people
who
typically
would
get
involved
in
city
government.
A
It
feels
a
little
hard
to
do
an
active
recruitment
like
that
right
now
when
they
are
sort
of
so
you
know
they're,
basically
on
ice,
you
know
or
or
are
not
not
given
the
full
ability
to
to
operate
the
way
they
should
be.
On
the
other
hand,
if
we
go
ahead
and
make
appointments,
you
know,
and
if
we
go
ahead
and
make
appointments
just
among
the
people
who
are
interested,
then
we
aren't
necess
and
then
then
they
become
less
representative
over
time.
A
You
know
and
then,
and
once
you
know
once
you're
an
incumbent
on
on
a
board
or
a
commission,
you
know
once
you
get
a
place,
it's
easy
to
stay
there.
So
I
I
I
don't
know
there
are
some
real
policy
issues
to
think
about.
If
we're
gonna
go
ahead
and
make
appointments,
when
we
can't
when
we
can't
make
them
fully
representative.
L
We
also
may
have
an
opportunity
to
maintain
some
of
this
style
of
meeting
electronically,
which
means
we
might
have
to
go
back
and
look
at
what
we
structured
in
terms
of
the
sort
of
legislative
language
that
we
put
together
about
the
existence
of
the
commissions.
We
may
need
to
go
back
and
look
at
that
and
make
some
modifications
to
it
moving
forward.
So
I
can
commit
right
now
to
maybe
our
may
meeting
to
sort
of
put
a
bunch
of
people
together
to
have
a
have
a
plan
to
maybe
reset
and
restart
the
commissions.
L
So
we
may
want
to
just
dust
off
that
commission's
legislation
and
take
a
look
at
it
and
see
if
there
are
things
we
might
want
to
modify,
but
they
definitely
need
some
attention
and
we
are
really
appreciative
of
the
members
that
have
hung
in
there
and
stuck
in
and
kept
plugging
along
and
kept
doing
that
work
and
there's
still
a
lot
of
good
work
being
done
behind
the
scenes.
They're
they're
all
trying
to
wrap
up
the
projects
that
they
were
given
the
last
time
so
we'll
we'll
get
them
back.
L
L
L
T
T
T
No,
no.
What
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
to
to
the
members
is
that
I
sent
out
my
annual
report
to
common
council,
the
mayor
and
wanna.
You
know
invite
anybody
who
has
any
questions
to
send
them
to
me.
I
don't
make
a.
I
haven't
made
a
formal
presentation
that
report
to
council
in
a
number
of
years.
I
just
usually
mail
it
and
sometimes
I'll,
hear
a
comment
from
it.
T
G
L
We
talked
about
that
being
doing
something
special
before
a
council
meeting
right
dan.
We
literally
just
started
talking
about
it.
Okay,
before
before
the
meeting
we
we
just
had
started.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
details
are,
but
there
was
interest
in
designating
a
special
opportunity
for
public
comment
related
to
reimagining
police
that
we
need
to
obviously
promote
and
put
out.
G
B
A
If
we
did
it
next
week
before
the
you
know
before
the
common
common
council
meeting
on
the
third,
then
then
we
have
like
you
know
three
weeks
until
the
24th
and
then
another
week
until
the
the
adoption
on
the
31st.
It
seems
like
that
provides
the
most
runway.
If
there
are
going
to
be
any,
you
know
if
anything's
going
to
be
incorporated.
L
And
I
think
we
talked
about
like
calling
it
a
public
hearing
and
designating
it
an
hour
a
specifically
an
allotted
amount
of
time.
Just
to
that
so
we'll
have
to
put
that
out.
We
can
put
that
out
with
the
council
agenda
that
will
go
out.
We
can
a
lot
of
people
pay
attention
to
the
council
meeting
and
the
council
agenda,
so
we
can
put
that
information
out
together,
probably.