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From YouTube: June 23, 2021 City Administration Meeting
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A
A
We
are
aware
all
right,
so
we
will
call
our
june
meeting
to
order.
I
do
want
to
just
do
a
reordering
a
bit
of
the
agenda
just
to
accommodate
some
people
this
evening.
So
we
have
a
couple
of
things
completely.
My
fault
that
we
forgot
to
transfer
the
cancellation
of
student
loans
from
last
month
to
this
month,
so
you've
seen
an
update
to
the
agenda
that
was
in
last
month's
agenda
packet.
So
that's
been
added
as
3.5,
but
there
is
a
newer
version
of
that
agenda
packet.
A
That's
also
been
sent
around
and
is
on
the
website,
so
just
to
remind
everybody
that
that
was
a
holdover
from
last
month
that
we're
moving
on
to
this
month,
and
then
I
am
going
to
ask
if
we
can,
if
everyone
is
agreeable,
if
we
do
the
amend
outdoor
smoking
as
our
first
action
item,
so
change
that
to
3.1
just
because
we
will
have
ted
from
the
county
on
to
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
and
ask
a
couple:
questions.
Is
everybody?
Okay,
with
that.
A
A
Okay,
great
so
then
we
will
need
someone
to
move
our
minutes
from
last
month.
Thank
you,
denise,
as
always,
graham
seconded
by
george,
all
those
in
favor
and
that's
unanimous.
Thank
you.
A
So
I
am
going
to
turn
our
public
comment
process
over
to
scott
and
to
duckson
just
to
remind
everybody.
We
do
have
a
timer
and
if
you
are
also
trying
to
watch
it
on
youtube,
remember
there
is
a
delay.
A
So
you'll
need
to
not
have
that
feedback,
so
you
need
to
have
the
volume
of
the
youtube
off
when
we
let
you
into
the
meeting-
and
we
are
doing
this
new
sort
of
claim,
your
time
system,
which
seems
to
have
worked
well,
the
last
couple
of
meetings
that
we've
used
so
now
when
you
sign
up
for
public
comment,
you
also
get
to
let
us
know
how
much
time
or
how
long
your
comment
will
be,
and
we
are
really
gonna.
Stick
to
that.
A
So
if
you
did
say
a
minute,
then
you'll
have
a
minute
and
we
will
stop
you
right
when
that
timer
stops,
so
we're
not
trying
to
to
be
rude
or
too
abrupt,
but
we
are
going
to
try
to
stick
to
those
those
time
frames.
So
I
will
let
duck
and
scott
be
in
charge
of
admitting
our
speakers
in
the
order
of
least
time
to
greatest
time
and
I'll
turn
it
over
to
you.
B
B
E
All
right,
I
have
a
couple
comments
on
the
5g
portion
of
the
draft.
One
is
to
increase
the
distance
between
the
building
faces
and
the
towers.
It's
currently
eight
feet
and
increase
that
to
sixteen
hundred
feet,
based
on
the
research
that
has
already
been
done.
E
F
All
right,
thank
you.
It's
a
5g
comment.
I
wanted
to
ask
you
guys
to
make
sure
that
any
insurance
from
a
company
does
not
include
a
pollution
exclusion.
F
Pollution
exclusion
is
one
way
telecon
companies
have
avoided
fully
ensuring
any
potential
future
problems.
Also,
the
insured
needs
to
be
the
telecom
company,
not
the
sighting
company,
and
it
cannot
be
a
shell
company
of
the
telecom
company
and
also
the
distance
that
molly
had
mentioned
to
make
sure
there
is
a
significant
distance
between
antennas
schools
and
residences.
F
Many
other
towns
have
placed
a
large
value
on
this,
such
as
shelburne
massachusetts,
which
has
put
a
distance
of
1500
feet.
Expert
attorney
campanelli
has
said
that
the
city
can
legally
set
whatever
value.
It
wants
include
a
resident
notification
for
all
proposed
tier
one
antennas
paid
for
by
the
telecom,
essentially
combining
a
and
b
under
code.
G
Okay,
I
agree
with
what
the
other
two
people
said,
but
I
have
other
information
that
might
be
useful
for
helping
you
decide
how
to
deal
with.
5G
is
that
I
know
someone
who
worked
for
con
edison
for
40
years,
and
he
said
the
technology
is
already
outdated
and
so
for
ithaca
to
allow
companies
that
invested
in
this
technology,
so
they
can
make
their
money
back.
It's
already
outdated
in
the
the
internet
and
streaming
and
cell
phone
use.
It's
already
moving
to
the
blockchain,
which
is
a
better
technology.
G
It's
cheaper,
it's
faster
and
it's
a
massively
less
impact,
and
I
was
around
some
5g
technology
not
that
long
ago,
and
you
can
tell
when
they
switched.
I
was
in
somebody's
house
and
you
can
tell
when
they
switched
from
the
4d
network
to
the
5g
network.
You
could
feel
it.
It
was
bizarre.
You
just
might
want
to
think
about
this.
It
lowers
property
values
and
it
could.
H
H
H
B
I
I
just
want
to
thank
the
council
members
and
the
staff
for
all
the
hard
work
with
this
and
for
ms
and
for
hiring
mr
campanelli
to
help
in
the
process.
I'm
a
mom
of
three
and
what
concerns
me
most
about
the
towers
is
being
put
near:
the
schools
and
houses.
I
I
watched
some
testimonies
of
kids
and
teachers
in
california,
pleading
with
their
school
district
to
turn
the
towers
off,
the
kids
are
describing
really
bad
negative
health
effects
like
bleeding
from
their
ears
and
eyes,
and
nose
and
headaches
trouble
difficulty
concentrating
the
teachers
had
severe
headaches.
That
would
only
happen
when
they
would
go
to
the
school
and
they
they
went
away
when
the
towers
were
turned
off
or
when
they
would
go
home
at
night.
I
It's
especially
vulnerable
for
kids
with
the
negative
health
effects
and
just
ask
if
you
could
please
follow
what
other
towns
are
doing
where
they
separate
the
the
towers
by
at
least
1500
feet.
Separation
also
concerned
about
my
property
values,
dropping
my
own
two
houses
in
ithaca,
and
I
would
have
to
move
away
if
these
towers
are
placed
near
my
kids,
home
near
my
home
or
my
kid's
school.
I
A
couple
other
things.
You
could
add
a
provision
that
ensures
that
any
new
installations
are
for
current
needs
of
customers
not
for
future
capacities
and
that
all
codes
ensure
that
all
codes
apply
to
all
wireless
transmitting
antennas,
including
the
ones
on
private
buildings
and
homes,
and
that
everything
gets
reviewed
with
mr
campanelli
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
strongest
protection
for
our
children
and
future
residents
of
ithaca.
I
J
Okay,
great
thanks.
I
wanted
to
echo
what
rebecca
said
about
just
gratitude
for
hiring
campanelli.
It
seemed
like
a
lot
of
the
work
he
did
was
really
helpful
and
yeah,
so,
but
some
of
the
things
that
other
people
are
saying,
I'm
also
finding
our
problem.
J
J
Emf
is
listed
as
a
pollutant,
along
with
smog
and
soot
and
acid
and
chemicals
and
other
things
of
that
nature.
So
for
the
telecom
company
to
not
provide
any
insurance,
that's
just
really
doesn't
seem
fair
for
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
living
so
close
to
these
cell
towers,
and
some
of
the
other
concerns
that
I
have
are
the
setback
values
from
the
towers
to
residences-
and
you
know,
schools
like
rebecca
was
saying
a
verizon
ceo
said
that
they
are
designing
the
network
to
work
from
2000
feet
from
the
transmitters
to
the
receivers.
J
So
I
really
don't
see
why
we
can't
have
significant
setback
distances
from
from
people's
homes
to
these
transmitters
and
one
of
the
last
things
that
I'm
concerned
about
is
revocability.
I
think
there
should
be
a
clause
allowing
the
voiding
of
any
contract
requiring
its
modification
in
the
event
of
a
regulatory
change.
J
The
fcc
commissioners
are
appointed
by
the
presidents,
and
you
know
these
people
may
change
and
I
think
it's
important
to
have
their
own
be
revocability
with
the
contracts.
B
B
A
B
B
K
B
K
I've
reviewed
mr
campanelli's
report
and
I
listened
to
him
speak
at
the
last
meeting.
I
also
reviewed
the
recently
released
revised
wireless
code
for
the
city
and
while
this
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction-
and
I
thank
you
very
much
for
hiring
mr
campanelli,
I
think
the
code
is
still
insufficient
to
protect
ithaca's
residents,
and
here
are
some
changes
that
I
would
love
to
see
included.
K
First,
significantly,
increased
distances
between
antennas
and
homes,
schools
and
any
places
of
public
gathering
the
table
in
section
152-37a7d
alarmingly
only
requires
an
eight
foot,
distance
between
building
faces
and
cell
towers,
and
the
setback
in
section
325-29,
point
b,
b2c
is
unspecified.
K
Ithaca
should
follow
the
lead
of
other
u.s
cities
and
substantially
increase
this
ideally
to
1600
feet
a
distance
that
has
scientific
evidence
to
support
its
safety
in
terms
of
radiation
exposure.
Moreover,
mr
campanelli
campanelli
said
that
the
city
can
impose
whatever
setback
requirements.
We
want
second
add
the
term
significant
gap
in
coverage
to
the
definition
section,
using
the
definition
mr
campanelli
defined
in
his
report.
K
K
Fourth,
in
section
325-29.17
b2
clarify
that
the
radiation
testing
should
be
performed
randomly
by
a
qualified
engineer
selected
by
the
city
and
paid
for
by
the
applicant
company.
Fifth
included
tier
one
resident
notification,
and
these
notifications
should
be
paid
for
by
the
applicant
company.
Sixth,
add
a
minimum
spacing
between
antennas
requirement.
Fifteen
hundred
feet
is
a
good
distance
and
in
line
with
what
other
cities
have
added
to
their
wireless
codes,
seventh
established
that
the
codes
apply
to
all
wireless
transmitting
antennas,
including
ones
on
private
or
public
buildings
and
homes.
K
B
M
N
Okay,
I
can't
see,
but
anyway,
if
you
can
hear
me,
that's
all
I
need.
I
am
very
concerned.
I
have
seen
the
devastating
effect
on
many
individuals
of
the
existing
level
of
emf
radiation
and
the
proposed
5g
small
cells
would
would
vastly
increase
that
they
would
increase
the
4g
as
well
as
adding
5g,
and
I
think
that
it's
not
acceptable.
The
city's
best
course
would
be
instituting
a
moratorium.
Like
many
municipalities
across
the
country
have
done.
N
We
need
to
go
there,
of
course,
at
the
very
least,
design
guidelines
which
you're
working
on
now
must
specify
that
transmitters
can
only
be
allowed
where
there
are
proven
gaps
in
cell
coverage,
which
I
don't
think
there
are
any
in
the
city
and
and
of
course
there.
If
there
is
any,
are
approved
there,
it
must
be
random
testing
of
radiation
levels
conducted
by
the
city
but
paid
for
by
the
company
and
the
revocability
people.
N
Imagine
that
that's
certainly
important
the
real
need
for
for
equitable
community
broadband
can
best
be
met
with
fiber
optic,
cable
or
dsl.
We
need
to
like
rethink.
All
of
this.
N
B
H
B
P
Okay,
thank
you,
hi,
I'm
lisa
bertuzzi
and
I'm
a
long
time,
ithaca,
city
resident.
I
wish
to
share
my
thoughts
to
help
affect
your
constituents
and
ensure
the
integrity
and
well-being
of
the
environment
in
your
5g
pose
deliberations
and
reviewing
the
codes.
Please
include
these
vital
components
require
the
applicant
to
sign
an
affidavit
under
oath
and
penalty
of
perjury
on
all
communications
and
mla.
P
Three
require
all
telecoms:
to
carry
general
liability
insurance
without
a
pollution.
Exclusion,
pollution
exclusion
prohibits
liability
coverage
for
those
harm
from
damages
from
cell
powers.
This
is
how
other
cities
are
writing
their
codes
to
protect
themselves.
If
you
don't
install
the
strictest
codes,
there
will
be
no
more
safe
spaces
for
our
children
outside.
P
P
If
not,
this
could
end
up
very
badly
with
hundreds
of
visible
towers
and
possibly
antennas
into
the
thousands.
If
you
do
not
exercise
caution
and
thoroughness
in
your
codes,
review,
ithaca
has
long
been
known
for
being
an
independent
thinking,
progressive
city
that
takes
a
stand
for
its
citizens,
well-being
and
safety,
and
for
safeguarding
its
environment
above
big
industry
interest.
P
Q
O
Do
you
hear
me?
Yes,
yes,
go
ahead,
okay,
hello!
Thank
you.
My
name
is
caramel
rome.
I
have
two
kids.
B
O
Therefore,
I
demand
an
urge
on
behalf
of
our
children's
health
and
well-being,
to
increase
the
setback,
value
of
any
cell
antennas
from
homes
and
schools
right
now.
The
code
list
are
shocking,
only
eight
feet,
distance
between
buildings
faces
and
towers.
It
is
shocking.
Ithaca
should
follow
the
lead
of
other
u.s
towns
and
profoundly
increase
the
distance
away
from
where
our
children
sleep,
play
and
learn.
O
O
R
R
All
right,
hello,
thank
you
for
taking
public
comment
today.
I
too
am
here
to
voice
my
concern
regarding
the
implementation
of
5g,
small
cell
tech
in
our
community.
Sorry,
the
plane
overhead,
my
home
state
of
vermont,
has
recently
put
a
pause
on
their
implementation
in
order
to
study
it
further,
which
I
think
is
wise.
R
I
would
really
love
to
see
that
happen
here
in
ithaca,
but
if
we
must
move
forward
with
this
uncertain
tech,
I
agree
with
what
everyone
has
said
before
me:
radiation
testing
should
be
done
randomly
done
by
the
city
paid
for
by
the
company.
So
currently
the
telecoms
have
that
responsibility,
but
we
think
the
city
should
do
it.
R
R
R
Overall,
there's
significant
research
pointing
to
detrimental
health
and
environmental
effects
of
exposure
to
emf
microwave
radiation,
and
so
I
just
asked
that
the
board,
please
exercise
caution
for
all
of
us
who
live
here
and
we
share
this
city
and
we
share
this
environment
and
just
please
consider
all
these
facts
and
thank
you
so
much
for
taking
a
comment
again
and
taking
all
this
into
consideration.
S
5G
causes
the
electrons
orbiting
the
oxygen
molecules
to
oscillate
debilitating
the
absorption
of
oxygen
to
the
bloodstream
and
causing
degradation
of
the
lungs
very
serious.
Whether
the
media
is
acknowledging
it
or
not,
which
they're
not
5g
towers
are
clocking
radiation
levels,
thousands
of
times
higher
than
fcc
regulations
consider
safe.
S
The
fact
that
regulatory
standards
are
being
bypassed
so
outrageously
should
be
of
concern
to
those
involved
in
their
implementation.
These
towers
should
be
nowhere
near
homes
and
schools,
and
there
should
be
significant
distance
among
antennas.
The
town
of
kopec
new
york
has
prohibited
the
installation
of
telecom
facilities
and
cell
towers
within
1500
feet
of
schools
and
churches.
S
S
In
2018,
the
verizon
ceo
said
they
were
designing
the
network
to
function
at
distances
of
2000
feet,
so
it
should
be
possible
to
protect
homes
and
schools.
If
the
city
really
insists
on
employing
these
monstrosities,
considering
the
criminal
history
of
these
unregulated
telecom
companies,
the
city
should
assume
responsibility
for
testing
of
radiation
levels
regularly
and
independently
of
the
companies
who
provide
them.
The
testing
should
be
random
done
by
the
city
and
paid
for
by
the
company.
S
S
The
purpose
of
this
council
should
be
to
protect
and
defend
those
who
live
here.
It
would
be
wise
and
integral
for
further
research
to
be
undertaken
by
those
involved
in
its
construction.
The
risks
represent
a
compromise
between
healthy
lives
and
faster
internet.
I
can't
fathom
being
in
such
a
position
and
ignoring
these
obvious
and
measured
dangers.
S
B
T
Okay,
I
think
yeah,
there's
quite
a
big
lag
with
the
youtube
video
first.
I
also
want
to
thank
you
all
for
sticking
with
these
wireless
codes.
I
know
it
can
feel
really
tedious
from
the
beginning.
T
T
T
I
also
suggested
adding
definitions,
adding
it
to
the
definition
section
of
the
code,
specifically
adding
that
future
potential
doesn't
count
as
a
gap
and
also
specifying
not
only
drive
test
data
but
drop
call
data
and
propagation
maps,
because
campanelli
did
say
that
those
three
together
are
the
gold
standard
for
probative
evidence,
and
I
recommend
that
we
follow
that
advice.
T
The
the
other
most
important
piece
for
me
is
that
if
we
do
need
more
wireless
facilities
to
fill
in
gaps
of
service,
it's
important
to
me
that
we
retain
maximum
local
control
over
where
they
go.
Not
only
prioritizing
zones,
as
you
have
in
the
codes,
but
also
maximizing
the
distances
from
homes
and
schools,
as
others
have
said.
Also
campanelli
did
say.
T
It
was
surprising
to
me
actually
specifically
said
that
we
can
pose
any
setback
requirements
that
we
want,
as
long
as
an
applicant
can
get
an
exemption
if
it's
the
only
possible
way
to
remedy
a
gap
in
service,
and
he
also
went
on
to
point
out
that
the
site
developers
main
interest
is
obviously
placing
these
in
the
least
expensive
locales,
not
the
least
impactful
for
the
city,
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
us
maximize
local
control
over
where
these
go
by
in
stating
a
substantial
different
distance
between
them
and
homes
and
schools.
T
1500
feet
1600
feet
something
in
that
area,
knowing
that
we
can
always
make
an
exception
if
needed,
but
clearly
taking
a
stand,
that
the
various
impacts
on
our
city
are
our
priority
and
that
it
is
incumbent
on
the
site
developers
to
fit
in
with
our
parameters
rather
than
allowing
them
to
maximize
their
financial
benefit
at
the
citizens
expense.
So
those
are
the
two
things
that
I'd
like
to
to
see
you
all
focus
on
amidst
the
other
things
as
well.
I
thank
you
for
considering
my
input.
U
U
All
right,
thank
you.
I
want
to
thank
the
city
staff
for
their
work
on
this.
The
5g
wireless
codes,
including
corrine,
joanne
and
ari,
and
to
the
council
members
too,
you've
had
so
much
on
your
plate
the
past
year,
and
this
issue
of
wireless
is
a
complex
one.
Now
I
personally
really
appreciate
technology.
U
I
use
it
all
the
time
and
I
had
no
preconceived
ideas
about
a
5g
rollout
before
this
debate,
but
I've
been
thoroughly
convinced
by
the
overwhelming
evidence
of
the
thousands
of
studies
and
hundreds
of
scientists
worldwide
who
warn
of
the
very
real
dangers
of
cell
technology
radiation.
Now
a
few
cell
towers
strategically
placed
around
doesn't
worry
me.
U
My
concern
is
that
this
5g
rollout
is
bringing
literally
hundreds
of
them
to
towns
around
the
country,
often
on
every
block,
pumping
harmful
radiation
into
our
bedrooms
and
our
children,
whose
studies
have
shown
are
more
vulnerable
to
the
radiation
harm.
This
is
why
the
state
of
new
hampshire
has
officially
centered
the
alarm
on
this.
This
is
why
regions
and
countries
of
the
world
have
stopped
its
implementation,
and
this
is
why
I've
spent
so
much
of
my
free
time
on
this
issue
in
the
past
year.
U
Now
I'm
heartened
by
some
of
the
changes
the
city
has
incorporated
in
the
updated
codes,
but
there
are
some
key
things
missing.
Here
are
some
changes
I'd
like
to
see
many
of
which
you've
already
heard
about
making
sure
that
antennas
new
antennas
have
to
prove
their
need
with
all
the
tests
in
campanella's
report,
not
just
one
or
two
tests.
U
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much.
Thank
you
for
everyone.
I
will
ask
if
there
is
any
response
from
counsel,
but
I
also
know
that
all
the
comments
tonight
were
related
to
an
item
that
we
had
on
our
agenda.
So
I
will
just
open
the
floor
to
anyone
that
might
want
to
respond
now
or
it's
fine
for
you
to
wait
until
we
get
to
that
item.
V
Thank
you
deb
in
case
people
have
to
leave.
I
know
it's
coming
up
later,
but
I
did
want
to
thank
all
of
the
speakers.
V
Obviously
they've
taken
a
very
close
look
at
this
and
shown
appreciation
to
staff
and
and
the
devotion
that
has
been
put
into
this
is
is
obvious,
so
I
just
want
to
say
it's
really
appreciated.
Your
comments
are
thoughtful
and
well
presented.
So
thank
you.
If
you
have
to
leave
earlier-
and
I
look
forward
to
the
discussion
later.
C
I'd
I
just
like
to
second
what
graham
said,
and
I
really
appreciate
everybody's
clear,
concise
comments.
It's
it's
really
helped
me
understand
the
issue
and
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
D
Yeah
we'll
discuss
later,
but
just
two
quick
things
crypto,
I'm
sorry
blockchain
has
nothing
to
do
with.
5G
is
a
way
of
recording
transactions
way
of
storing
data,
absolutely
nothing
to
do
with
wireless
infrastructure
whatsoever
and
some
of
the
things
such
as
birds
and
bees
being
killed
by
5g,
easily
debunked
by
even
the
cursory
examination
effects,
but
we'll
discuss
the
merits
of
the
guidelines
later
today,
thanks.
H
W
I'll
just
add
my
thanks
to
the
those
who
came
out
to
speak
and
also
thanks
to
duck
for
making
some
good
points.
A
All
right
great,
so
we
just
have
several
items
on
the
consent
agenda
related
to
youth
bureau.
Does
someone
want
to
move
consent,
graham
seconded
by
george,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously?
Wonderful
and
now,
as
you
know,
we've
reordered
our
action
items
a
little
bit
so
we're
going
to
do
3.3.
A
We
do
have
ted
sheila
with
us
as
a
guest,
and
I
know
ari's
here
ari.
Would
you
rather
have
a
quick
discussion
before
someone
moves
this
or
do
we
want
to.
X
Y
I'm
open
to
either
approach
the
intent
of
the
legislation
we
brought
forward
is
very
simple,
which
is
to
add
cannabis
to
the
existing
commons
smoking
ban
so
where
you're
not
allowed
to
smoke
tobacco
already,
you
also
wouldn't
be
able
to
smoke
cannabis
outdoors
on
the
commons.
That's
the
basic
intent
of
the
legislation
and
happy
to
proceed.
Other
ways
like.
A
V
Sure
yeah,
this
is
an
ordinance
to
a
man
to
amend
amendment
to
outdoor
smoking,
ordinance
number
2021-whatever,
it's
going
to
be,
and
maybe
I'll
just
read
the
findings
of
fact.
There
common
council
makes
the
following
findings
a
fact
one,
the
smoking
of
cannabis
is
now
legal
under
new
york
state
law,
two
public
exposure
to
smoke
from
tobacco
and
other
smoking
products,
including
cannabis,
is
a
hazard,
an
annoyance
to
the
general
public.
V
Prohibition
of
outdoor
smoking
in
certain
public
areas
helps
to
preserve
order,
peace
and
health
and
the
safety
and
welfare
of
the
city
and
inhabitants
thereof
and
three.
It
is
therefore
desirous
to
incorporate
cannabis
into
the
provisions
of
the
city
code,
chapter
218,
outdoor
smoking,
and
I
move
the
rest
as
written.
A
A
M
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
deb.
I
really
appreciate
your
inviting
me
on.
I
don't
really
have
a
prepared
introduction-
I
just
learned
of
this
yesterday
and
was
very
appreciative
for
for
the
opportunity.
M
I
think
that
everything
that's
in
the
finding
the
fact
and
that
graham
just
read
and
in
the
in
the
purpose
of
the
original
280,
really
covers
everything
that
I
think
is
important
with
regard
to
smoking
cannabis
in
or
being
of
having
a
smoke-free
everything
every
place
that
is
currently
smoke-free
with
respect
to
tobacco,
to
do
what
ari
has
proposed
or
has
written
out,
and
just
add
cannabis
to
that.
M
So
I
think
it's
just
important
to
recognize
that
all
regardless
of
your
outlook
on
use
of
cannabis,
access
to
it
under
age,
21
should
be
limited
to
all
extents
possible
and
if
it's
being
used
in
the
public
spaces,
where
it's
proposed
to
be
prohibited,
it
just
provides
more
modeling
opportunity
and
actually
direct
access
for
individuals.
I
mean
there,
it
is
it's
out
in
somebody's
possession.
M
Somebody
underage
potentially
has
the
opportunity
to
obtain
it,
but
even
so,
as
it's
said
in
the
in
the
purpose,
just
the
opportunity
to
not
model
use
until
your
age
21
and
reduce
the
access
and
early
initiation
of
tobacco
use.
So
I
think
it's
great.
I
certainly
applaud
this
committee
for
bringing
it
up.
M
I
was
just
on
a
statewide
conference
call
yesterday
with
all
the
other
tobacco
control
or
advancing
tobacco
tobacco-free
communities
contractors,
and
it
was
specifically
a
lot
of
questions
about
what
to
do
about
marijuana
and
there
was
no
real
consensus
on
how
to
approach
it,
but
looks
to
me
like
it's
pretty
straightforward
here.
M
The
way
it's
been
presented
here,
ithaca,
in
my
mind,
was
the
first
one
of
the
first
major
cities
in
new
york
to
have
a
comprehensive
outdoor
smoking
ordinance
in
2010
ahead
of
new
york
city,
and
I
certainly
applaud
you
for
doing
that.
The
county
legislature
in
2003,
when
the
clean
indoor
air
act
came
into
effect,
passed
their
own
clean
indoor,
air
act
just
as
a
an
assurance
for
what
might
or
may
not
be
upheld
in
the
state
level.
M
So
I
think
this
proactive
and
preventive
opportunity
is
really
applauded
and
admirable.
M
One
thing
that
I
will
just
mention
by
purpose
of
of
education
and
information
is
that
vaping
is
also
not
addressed
in
in
this
definition,
and
vaping
is
a
use
of
nicotine
in
the
same
way
that
smoking,
weed
or
marijuana
or,
however,
you
want
to
say,
is
a
use
of
cannabis,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
to
also
recognize
that
all
the
situations,
all
the
purposes
that
are
outlined
here
with
regard
to
access
and
modeling
to
underage,
is
the
same
with
with
vaping
and
vaping
is
certainly
another
way
of,
or
will
be
another
way
of
consuming
cannabis
in
the
same
way
that
it's
another
way
of
consuming
nicotine.
M
I
guess
it's
not
really
cannabis.
It's
thc,
but
still
it's
it's
another
consumption
method,
and
so
that's
something
that
I
think
is
important
to
recognize
that
vaping,
a
lot
of
municipalities
or
situations
properties,
businesses,
organizations
that
have
prohibited
smoking
on
their
property
have
also
prohibited
vaping.
It's
sort
of
a
standard
course
of
action
at
this
point,
so
it's
just
something
else
just
to
be
aware
of,
and
I
guess
that's
that's
all.
I
have
to
say
at
this
point.
A
M
A
M
Could
have
done
that
on
my
own
too,
but
thanks
all
right,
so
I'm
ted
sheely.
I
work
at
the
tom
clinton
county
health
department
in
the
health
promotion
program.
Half
of
my
job
since
2003
has
been
with
tobacco
control
program,
the
statewide
grant,
which
is
now
called
advancing,
tobacco-free
communities.
M
I
worked
in
a
you
advisory
or
educational
capacity
with
common
council
members,
starting
in
2007,
I
think,
was
the
first
time
we
talked
about
it
until
passage
of
this
chapter
280
in
2010
and
its
amendments
in
2011,
and
so
it's
been.
This
has
been
something
that
I've
been
part
of
for
a
long
time
and
have
definitely
appreciated
the
foresight
of
this
common
council
in
in
presenting
in
passing
the
original
ordinance
and
now
the
opportunity
to
amend
it.
A
Great
thanks
all
right,
so
I
think
it
it.
It's
also
pretty
straightforward.
I
did
just
want
to
ask,
I
know,
does,
does
it
say
enough
in
it
about
the
issue
of
vaping
and
is
there
something
we
would
want
to
add
into
it,
or
would
that
complicate
it
a
little
bit
ari
or
do
we
want
to
just
be
straight
up
across
the
board
any
kind
of
smoke
or
secondhand
smoke?
What
do
you
think.
Y
Yeah
so
vaping's
an
interesting
question.
I
don't
claim
to
be
particularly
expert
in
it.
I
I
don't
really
see
a
problem
with
calling
out
vaping.
The
question
is
whether
that
creates
a
secondhand
experience
for
someone
else
nearby
that
we
would
want
to
prevent,
but
my
my
baseline
belief
is
that
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
calling
out
people,
so
I
think
if
council
wants
to
go
in
that
direction,
I
think.
A
D
Along
those
lines,
I'm
I'm
at
the
wikipedia
page
for
a
list
of
plants
used
for
smoking
and
I
don't
know
the
similarly
the
second
hand,
either
health
effects
or
annoyance
effects
of
all
of
them.
But
I
am
curious
about
even
more
generic
language
to
to
capture
I
mean.
Obviously,
tobacco
and
cannabis
are
probably
the
big
ones,
and
maybe
it's
not
even
worth
thinking
about,
but
just
question.
Y
Oh,
so,
actually
to
that
point
duck
our
definition
of
smoking
in
the
legislation
says
the
burning
of
a
lighted,
cigar,
cigarette
type
or
any
other
matter
or
substance
meant
for
inhalation
into
the
lungs.
D
Thank
you.
I
I
missed
that
bit.
Y
A
Y
Yeah,
but
I
don't
see
if
council
wants
anything
there
and
we
can
just
work
vaping
into
those
definitions.
I
don't
think
that's
a
problem
and
I
absolutely
appreciate
your
advice
on
that.
M
There
are
I'm
sorry,
there
are
complicated
definitions
of
vacant
in-laws
ordinances
in
the
same
way
that
the
definition
of
smoking
is
it's
not
complicated,
but
it's
it's
long
and
thorough,
and
certainly
the
examples
of
how
vaping
is
included
is
easily
available,
and
I
can
certainly
provide
you
with
with
any
of
that
information.
Also
ari.
Y
V
Thank
you
dave,
so
I
guess
a
question
for
ted
or
maybe
an
antares,
so
I'm.
V
Like
burning
now
and
the
vaping,
I
think
doesn't
burn
it
just
heats
the
substance
in
the
device,
so
I'm
certainly
interested.
If
it's
the
smoke
issue,
I
mean
that's
what
this
is
secondhand
smoke
from
any
source
and
so
ted.
Are
you
telling
us
that
secondhand
vape
smoke
is
is
considered
a
health
hazard
in
the
same
manner
that
second-hand
tobacco
smoke
is
considered
a
health
hazard.
M
It
is
definitely
considered
a
health
hazard,
I
reluctant
to
say
it's
exactly
the
same
level
of
health
hazard,
but
it
is
a
health
hazard.
Nicotine
is
carried
in
exhaled
vape.
M
Originally
people
would
say:
oh
it's
just
water,
but
it's
not
just
water,
there's
formaldehyde
in
it
and
there's
definitely
nicotine
carried
in
it
and
some
other
chemicals
which
are
particularly
on
an
indoor
basis
are
things
that
you
don't
want
to
start
filling
up
a
room
with
all
the
outdoor
situations,
of
course,
are
different
than
the
indoor
situations,
but,
and
does
it
linger
in
the
same
way
that
the
aerosol
we're
all
familiar
with
aerosols
these
days,
the
aerosol
of
tobacco
smoke
or
cannabis
smoke?
M
Does
I
I
don't
have
data
on
that?
I
don't
know
right
offhand,
but
it's
definitely
is
considered
a
hazard
and
I
think
the
other
aspects
of
it
also
are
are
the
the
other
parts
of
of
the
purpose,
which
are,
I
think,
very
important
and
really
were
valuable
additions
back
in
2010
20
2009.
M
I
guess
when
eric
rosario
led
the
subcommittee
that
worked
on
this,
along
with
dan
hoffman
and
dan
cogan
and
a
couple
other
people
so
but
the
yeah,
but
the
the
concept
that
it's.
That
there
is
toxicity
and
just
the
the
modeling
and
the
access.
M
Is
is
also
important
that
you
know
these
are
situations
where
any
opportunity
to
discourage
early
initiation
is
valuable.
I
don't
want
to
say
particularly
with
nicotine,
but
nicotine
is
horrifically
addictive
and
and
is
considered
a
gateway
to
some
extent
so,
but
the
level
of
addiction
of
nicotine
far
exceeds
other
substances
and
particularly
for
a
brain,
that's
younger
than
25,
and
particularly
younger
than
21
years
old.
So
I
think
those
are
just
important
parts
also.
V
Thank
you
ted,
so
I
mean
with
that.
I
mean
from
my
perspective.
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
while
we're
working
on
this
to
to
make
sure
that
we
have
vaping
covered.
From
those
second
hand,
emissions
smoke
perspective.
I
just
had
one
other
point
in
the
purpose
there,
because
you're
talking
about
young
people,
it
says
reduce
the
likelihood
that
young
persons
will
initiate
smoking
or
tobacco
use.
V
Y
All
right
there
we
go.
Thank
you
graeme.
I
don't
see
a
problem
changing
that
wording.
If
you'd
like
the
it's
not
going
to
constrain
the
effect
of
the
legislation
either
way-
and
we
did
say,
exposure
from
to
smoke
from
tobacco
and
other
smoking
products,
but
yeah
we
could
certainly
well
then.
Y
So,
are
you
just
referring
to
the
idea
that
you'd
like
something
beyond
cannabis
and
tobacco
in
there.
V
Well,
so
right
now,
it's
reading
will
that
young
persons
will
initiate
smoking
or
tobacco
you.
So
it's
kind
of
saying
well
we're
not
going
to
include
cannabis
there
or
we
are,
or
you
know
in
the
purpose
of
this,
that's
why
you
don't
want
a
list
of
specific
products,
presumably.
W
Yeah,
I
guess
I'm
just
I
just
want
to
weigh
in
on
those
two
parts.
I
I
agree
that
I
think
it
would
be
useful
both
in
the
to
add
some
language
and
the
purpose.
W
If
we
want
to
include
cannabis
there,
because
I
think
to
ted's
point-
that's
really
important
language
to
keep
in
the
purpose
or
to
have
the
purpose
language
there
and
then
also,
if,
if
we
don't
think
that,
under
the
definition
of
smoking,
that
that
the
the
way
it's
written
now
currently
would
cover
vaping,
I
would
be
interested
in
having
some
language
that
would
ensure
that
we
do
cover
it
thoroughly
and
even
if
that
means
we,
we
don't
necessarily
get
to
finalize
this
tonight.
I
think
it's
important
to
get
that
right.
Y
We
can
certainly
do
that
and
if
it's
help
well,
I
mean
a
committee
would
like
to
move
forward.
I
don't
think
these
are
such
heavy
lists
of
changes
that
it
requires
another
trip
to
ca.
I
would
I
would
be
comfortable
if
you
are
without
jotting
down
this
advice
now
and
you
can
vote
on
committee
on
the
principles
that
you've
been.
Y
Come
bring
you
back
specific
language
at
council,
that's
up
to.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
seems
fine.
You
know
my
concern
is
how
many
different
ways
to
do
things
are
going
to
come
up
that
are
going
to
have
different
names
and
different
mechanisms
like?
Is
it
better
to
just
come
up
with
some
sort
of
generic
definition,
and
I
think
for
for
this
purpose,
it's
really
the
in
in
public
ex.
A
You
know
potential
exposure
to
someone
who
is
not
choosing
to
inhale
what
is
what
is
being
inhaled
so,
whatever
way
you
can
say
that
in
the
most
generic
way,
I
think
makes
more
sense
than
in
two
years
having
to
come
back
because
there's
some
new
kind
of
vape
that
has
some
new
different
name.
That
has
some
new
something.
So
I'm
fine,
if
you
just
want
to
work
on
a
generic
way
to
say
all
all
things
that
produce
smoke
that
could
potentially
be
toxic
to
something
I
mean
I
don't
I'm
not
sure
so.
A
M
Okay,
well
I'm
just
addressing
what
what
you
were
just
talking
about
when,
when
the
county
wrote
its
no
vaping
indoors
law,
they
were
called
end.
Electronic
nicotine
delivery
systems
soon,
after
that
they
were
changed
to
electronic
aerosol
delivery
systems
in
order
to
cover
just
about
anything
that
might
be
delivered.
So
that's
I'll
be
sending
this
wording
to
harry.
M
But
that's
you
know,
that's
the
way,
they're
trying
to
cover
anything
along
that
line
so
and
then
my
original
hand
raise
was
just
just
to
suggest
not
to
make
things
more
complicated,
but
another
way
to
address
the
likelihood
reduce
the
likelihood
that
young
persons
will
initiate
smoking
or
tobacco
use.
M
You
could
say
in
that
situation
nicotine
use
potentially.
So
that's
another
way
of
considering
it.
Because
really
that's
you
know
in
the
end,
that's
what
it
is
it's
it's
nicotine
use
so
and
then
you
could
continue
by
reducing
the
incidence
of
public
smoking,
smoking
places
or
public
tobacco
use
or,
however,
you
want
to
say
it,
but
there's
just
some
other
up.
You
know
thoughts.
A
All
right,
well,
I'm
comfortable
letting
maybe
ari,
do
some
wordsmithing
and
send
it
around
before
council,
but
kind
of
moving
this
on
to
council.
As
long
as
everybody
else
is
okay
with
that,
okay
ready
to
vote,
then
all
those
in
favor-
and
that
is
unanimous.
Thank
you
and
thanks
ted
thanks
for
your
patience
through
the
public
comment.
A
M
A
See
you
soon
all
righty.
Now
we
are
on
back
to
what
was
3.1,
which
is
now
3.2,
our
chief
operator
position,
and
I
don't
actually
see
mike.
L
I
I
don't
have
any
knowledge
of
this,
so
I'm
hoping
jelly
does.
Q
So
this
is
the
are
we
talking
about
the
chief
wastewater
operator,
yeah?
Okay,
yes,
so,
basically
they're
there.
A
C
3.2
requests
for
chief
operator
position,
whereas
the
current
chief
wastewater
treatment
plant
operator
in
the
water
and
sewer
division
of
the
department
of
public
works
is
anticipating
retirement
in
the
spring
of
2022
and
whereas
the
chief
wastewater
treatment
plant
operator
position
is
a
highly
specialized
key
position
in
the
department
of
public
works,
with
significant
record
keeping
operational
management
and
regulatory
duties
such
that
a
new
hire
would
have
a
difficult
time
starting
the
position
without
the
benefit
of
training
from
the
existing
chief
wastewater
treatment
plant
operator
and
whereas
the
loss
of
continuity
in
this
operator
position
would
significantly
disrupt
management
operations,
maintenance
and
repair
of
the
ithaca
area
wastewater
treatment
plant
and
whereas
the
department
of
public
works
has
and
will
have
available
funds
in
its
2021
and
2022
budget.
C
To
overlap
this
position
allowing
the
new
chief
wastewater
treatment
plant
operator
to
work
with
the
current
person
in
that
job
for
up
to
six
months
to
learn
facility.
Specific
aspects
of
the
job.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
personnel
personnel
roster
of
the
department
of
public
works
be
amended
as
follows.
A
Q
No,
I
think
I
think
it
was
pretty
explanatory,
you
know
it's
overlapping,
there's
a
need,
it's
a
critical
position
and
I
I
think,
actually
it's
a
it's.
A
wise
and
prudent
move.
A
C
Yeah,
I
just
agree:
mike's
done
this
in
the
past,
with
with
streets
and
facilities,
it's
it's
a
wise
move
and
it's
an
incredibly
complex
and
important
position,
and
we
should
do
this.
A
H
W
So,
let's
just
say
I'll
read
the
first
part,
be
it
ordained
and
enacted
by
common
council
of
the
city
of
ithaca.
That's
section:
232-70
of
the
city
of
ithaca
municipal
code,
entitled
taxicab
rates,
be
heard
by
amended
as
follows,
and
it
updates
rates
throughout
that
section.
AA
Thanks
for
entertaining
this
tonight,
I
actually
was
really
pleased
to
see
this
come
through.
We
had
a
request
from
ithaca
dispatch
who
was
looking
for
an
increase
in
rates
by
a
dollar
across
the
board.
So
that's
what
I
put
forward
tonight
why
I
say
I
was
excited
to
see
it
is
that
I
I
much
prefer
these
smaller
incremental
rate
increases
that
I
think
are
much
easier
on
the
public
than
waiting
10
years
or
whatever,
and
then
doubling
prices
or
whatever,
which
makes
it
much
more
difficult
for
people
to
absorb
those
increases.
AA
So
I
find
this
very
reasonable.
As
we
all
know,
in
today's
market,
insurance
rates
go
up.
Employee
salaries
and
benefits
go
up
fuel
repairs.
All
of
that.
So
I'm
very
pleased
to
support
this
request
and
and
hope
that
you
will
be
too,
and
I
just
wanted
to
note
that,
since
we
worked
collaboratively
with
ethica
dispatch
and
college
town
cabs
back
in
2015,
we
really
have
had
zero
taxicab
complaints.
Since
we
changed
this
whole
rate
structure,
I
think
it's
much
easier
for
the
public
to
understand.
AA
They
know
straight
out
what
the
fees
are
going
to
be,
and
there
haven't
been
any
of
these
massive
surprises.
You
know
by
being
picked
up
at
a
hotel
in
the
city
and
dropped
off
at
the
airport,
and
you
know,
having
you
know
these
outrageous
fares,
so
they've
done
a
great
job,
I'm
really
happy
to
be
working
with
them,
and
I'm
pleased
to
put
this
in
front
of
you
tonight.
A
V
Thanks
deb
as
approval
of
temporary
construction
easement,
whereas
casino
group
of
new
york
is
the
developer
of
the
proposed
parking
garage
conference
center
and
affordable
housing
construction
project
to
replace
the
western
section
of
the
green
street
garage
located
at
116
to
118,
east
green
street
and
whereas
vasino
has
requested
permission
to
use
city
property
located
at
112
east
green
street,
primarily
within
the
parking
area
adjacent
to
city
hall.
V
During
the
course
of
construction,
as
indicated
in
the
drawing
attached,
as
exhibit
a
and
namely
for
the
construction
staging
for
two
years,
and
whereas
chapter
170
of
the
city
code,
vests
authority
to
grant
temporary
easements
over
one
year
with
common
council
and
whereas
the
plan
as
proposed
in
exhibit
a
is
supported
by
the
city
department
of
public
works
and
whereas
in
recognition
of
the
public
private
nature
of
the
project
and
in
consideration
of
benefit,
the
project
stands
to
bring
to
the
city.
Staff
recommends
that
council
waive
any
fee
for
use
of
city
property.
V
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
mayor
subject
to
review
by
the
superintendent
of
public
works
city
of
turn,
city
attorney
is
authorized
to
execute
a
temporary
construction.
Easement
agreement
with
casinos,
affiliates,
asteri,
ithaca,
llc
and
asteri
conference
llc
for
the
purpose
of
committing
construction
staging
and
such
other
construction
uses
on
the
on
and
over
city
property,
in
compliance
with
the
site
plan
approved
by
the
city
of
litiga
planning
and
development
board,
and
be
further
resolved
that
the
fee
for
use
of
city
property
be
waived
for
this
public
private
urban
renewal
project.
H
A
AB
Yeah,
the
the
version
that
was
in
the
original
agenda
didn't
reflect
the
changes
that
that
siri
vesino
incorporated
about
the
right-of-way
at
the
back
north
of
the
garage
for
those
businesses
and
also
preserving
city
hall
access.
A
C
Yeah,
well,
my
questions
were
going
to
be
about
access
to
city
hall
and
access
for
the
businesses
on
the
commons.
So
what
how?
How
is
that
being
addressed?.
AB
The
so
the
businesses
on
the
commons,
namely
autumn,
leaves
trader
case.
AB
Those
businesses
have
a
there's,
a
modification
to
a
right-of-way
agreement
which
is
referenced
in
this
latest
version
of
the
temporary
construction
easement
and
that
is
signed
by
all
of
those
business
owners
as
well
as
mysterio
vasino,
and
it
just
modifies
the
terms
of
the
right-of-way
access,
basically
in
similar
terms
as
what
herald
square
obtained
from
those
businesses
when
they
were
under
construction
and
and
then
with
city
hall,
there's
language
to
say
that
there's
that
access
by
the
public
and
employees
to
city
hall
won't
be
obstructed.
AB
There
there
will
be
access
preserved
in
the
parking
issue.
I
I'm
not.
I
don't
think
that
there
is
going
to
be
parking,
the
same
parking
spaces
that
were
at
that
are
at
city
hall.
Currently
I
you
know,
I've
checked
in
with
public
works
and
they
were
okay
with
the
plans
that
mysterio
and
vasino
have
have
set
forth,
but
I
can
certainly
check
in
about
the
parking.
C
Y
Yeah,
I
can't
speak
to
the
specifics.
I
would
imagine
to
the
extent
that
there's
a
difference
is
that
this
is.
This
is
not
moving
merely
through
the
city
hall
side,
the
city,
it's
immediately
adjacent
to
the
city
health
sites,
which
is
sort
of
the
frontage
of
the
project
on
that
side,
but
yeah,
I
I
think
I
I
wish
someone's
for
like,
like
tim
logan.
L
Oh,
I
could
speak
a
little
bit
to
that
ari
part
of
the
city
hall.
Parking
lot
will
be
used
for
staging
for
the
project,
and
so
that
is
why
there
we're
narrowing
the
access
points,
but
those
stores
will
have
still
be
able
to
have
access
if
people
are
dropping
things
off,
but
they
won't,
they
won't
be
able
to
park
in
that
lot
as
they
do
now.
AB
And
this
and
this
easement
doesn't
modify
the
terms
of
that
modification
of
the
right-of-way
agreement,
which
that
has
very
specific
criteria
for
the
project
that
they
have
to
follow
and,
and
everybody
is
signed,
and
I'd
be
happy
to
forward
that
to
you.
If
you
want
that,
it's
incorporated
into
this
by
reference
that
they
can't,
they
can't
break
that
agreement.
C
Well,
I've
got
another
question
and
that
involves
casino
using
this
city
property
at
no
charge.
C
C
Yep,
so
I
would,
I
would
say,
at
the
very
least,
casinos
should
provide
department
of
public
works
with
free
access
to
that
storage
for
at
least
as
long
as
they
use
this
space.
This
city
space
for
their
construction.
L
Project
the
storage
space
for
the
dpw
will
will
no
longer
be
there,
though.
That's
part
of
the
demolition,
the
existing
space
and
so
they're
making
interim
plans
for
storage
for
their
materials
until
the
project
is
completed.
Right.
C
C
Y
Them
we
can
certainly
propose
that,
if
that's
the
direction
that
somebody
would
like
to
go
all
right.
L
I
think
the
plan
is
to
allow
them
to
park
on
the
street
in
front
of
city
hall
during
the
construction
period.
L
There
there
may
be,
I
I'm
not
100
sure,
but
we
may
sign
those
and
there
or
they
may
remain
a
short-term
parking
and
the
city
vehicles
will
use
those
spaces.
A
X
A
Y
B
Y
Expect
we'd
actually
be
doing
a
steri
a
favor,
even
if
you
want
to
make
the
changes
that
you're
requesting
george
to
just
go
ahead
and
make
those
changes
to
this
resolution
now
vote
it
out
of
council
in
the
form
that
you
want
those
changes
made.
I
voted
out
of
committee
that
is
and
we'll
go
ahead
and
tell
them
tomorrow.
That
is
these.
X
Y
The
changes
that
the
committee
made
to
require
a
payment
effectively
in
the
form
of
of
free
use
of
that
qpw
space
or
other
appropriate
payment
in
cash
and
to
still
move
this
forward
to
council.
That
would
be
my
recommendation
rather
than
waiting
a
month.
H
C
Y
And
then
george,
can
we
can,
we
just
add
the
words
or
fair
value
paid
directly
to
the
city
for
the
lot,
because
I
don't
know
how
that
is.
C
A
C
No
you're
right,
you're,
right
and
free
movie
passes
for
common
council
members.
A
W
L
I
I
don't
have
those
at
my
fingertips,
but
we
can
certainly
supply
you
with
that
information.
I
know
the
pro
forma
has
addressed
a
lot
of
these
issues
at
the
appropriate
cost
of
everything.
So
we
can
supply
that
to
you
before
the
council
meeting.
W
Yeah,
that's
that's
fine,
I'm
not
against
this
idea.
I
just
was
wanted
to
understand
the
scope
of
it
and
then,
secondly,
just
to
clarify,
did
I
hear
that
that
we
currently
use
a
storage
space
there,
which
will
then
take
over
the
new
storage
space
post
construction
and
somebody
is
paying
for
a
new
space?
Is
that
the
city
or
is
that
the
pro
the
contract
for
the
developer.
C
L
Question
I
believe
that
the
new
space
will
be
outfitted
and
completed
by
the
developer,
but
then
the
least
there'll
be
a
lease
back.
W
AB
Sorry,
I
don't
know
about
any
costs
associated.
Maybe
joanne
has
anything
related
to
that,
but
I
believe
that
dwayne
ross
has
been
in
in
charge
of.
L
AB
A
A
A
Great
all
righty
ducks,
and
would
you
like
to
move
this
one?
Thank
you,
arie
and
crin.
D
Yes,
thank
you,
okay
resolution
calling
on
the
federal
government
to
cancel
federal
student
loan
debt,
whereas
over
43
million
americans
hold
more
than
1.5
trillion
dollars
of
federal
student
loan,
debt
and
average
balance
of
39
dollars
and
more
than
nine
million
federal
student
loan
borrowers
are
currently
in
default
on
those
federal
student
loans.
Whereas
women
hold
two
thirds
of
all
student
debt,
american
bars
have
higher
than
average
levels
of
student
debt.
D
D
Since
debt
is
associated
with
negative
mental
and
physical
health
outcomes,
such
as
stress,
depression,
general
health,
obesity
and
mortality,
now,
therefore
be
it
resolved
at
the
city
of
ithaca's.
Common
council
calls
on
the
president
of
the
united
states
to
take
executive
action
to
broadly
cancel
federal
student
loan
debt
for
federal
student
loan
borrowers
administratively,
using
existing
legal
authorities
available
under
the
law
and
resulted
a
copy.
This
resolution
that
be
sent
to
our
federal
representatives,
president
joe
biden,
senator
chuck,
schumer
and
gillebrand
and
congressman
tom
reed.
D
Yes,
this
was
motivated
by
recent
actions
by
the
city
of
boston
and
the
california
democratic
party
with
similar
resolutions,
and
I
took
a
lot
of
language
from
those
resolutions
and
from
senator
elizabeth
warren's
bill
calling
for
the
same
in
that
one.
They
lay
out
all
the
legal
reasoning
for
why
president
biden
can
in
fact
cancel
debt
using
executive
action,
which
I
did
not
include,
because
you
know
we're
just
making
a
plea
to
the
president,
not
really
trying
to
find
a
legal
case.
D
But
so
I
took
all
this
language
from
from
those
sources
did
not
really
write.
Anything
myself.
D
It
was
also
prompted
by
a
recent
interaction
between
senator
schumer
and
president
obama,
where
schumer,
who
was
an
advocate
for
canceling
student
loan
debt
told
by
and
that
they're
going
to
keep
on
pushing
him
on
this
and
by
and
said,
yeah
keep
on
pushing
me.
So
this
is
in
the
spirit
of
doing
that,
to
encourage
him
to
take
this
action.
V
Thanks
deb
and
thanks
ducks-
and
this
was
a
little
bit
of
a
surprise-
I
looked
through
some
of
the
background
material
that
the
from
the
center
of
law
and
social
policy
about
10
reasons.
So
the
reasons
are
all
good.
My
concern
is,
I'm
not
sure
I
have
enough
time
to
consider
if
this
is
the
best
use
of
1.5
trillion
dollars
in
terms
of
the
benefits
to
you
know
what
certainly
looked
like
worthy
sectors
of
society.
V
I
mean
there's
mention
there
about
the
proportion
of
african
american
borrowers
and
the
amount
of
debt
that
they
have
here,
and
so
I
guess
I'm
a
little
bit
concerned
about
the
implications
of
this
at
the
national
level.
If
this
is
implemented
compared
to
you
know
some
other
program
that
has
this
same
price
tag.
So
I
don't
know
whether
you
can
address
that.
But
that's
that's
a
concern
I
have
just
in
reading
quickly
the
material
that
we've
had
access
access
to
at
this
stage.
D
Yeah,
I'm
not
an
expert
in
the
macroeconomic
impact
of
this,
but
it
it
would
not
impact.
You
know
the
federal
budget.
As
we
know
it
would
be
kind
of
erased
from
the
books
the
way
that
the
fed
often
prints
money.
So
if
you
are
a
believer
in
modern
monetary
theory
that
the
federal
government,
the
entity
with
which
is
able
to
create
fiat
currency
is
largely
unaffected
by
the
creation
of
more
money,
then
I
think
the
impact
would
be
minimal
on
a
practical
level.
A
Was
from
last
month
that
we
didn't
get
to
it
so
this
month
and
we
did
add
it
to
the
agenda
if
you're
looking
at
the
one
that
got
mailed
to
you,
it's
possible.
This
wasn't
in
the
one
that
was
mailed
to
you,
but
it
was
added
and
reloaded
to
the
site
in
email
on
last
month.
We
didn't
we
pushed
it
to
this
month.
C
Okay,
now
I
understand
I
have
not
read
it,
I
I
think
it's
a
good
idea.
I
I
wish
I
knew
more
about
the
financial
ramifications
nationwide
and
I
think
graham
makes
a
good
point,
but
I
don't
know
I'll
listen
to
more
discussion.
D
Yeah
I
hear
that,
but
I
don't
think
it'll
have
a
material
impact
on
any
you
know.
Budgetary
spending
like
it
will
not
be
detracted
from
the
annual
federal
budget
or
or
yeah
have
an
impact
on
on,
like
existing
programs.
D
I
think
we
would
leave
that
to
the
president.
People
have
differing
opinions.
I
think
it
would
be
simpler
to
just
kind
of
do
it
across
the
board
because
need
based.
X
X
AC
Yeah,
I
always
hesitate
about
these
issues
that
come
before
us
over
which
we
really
have
no
purview.
These
national
matters,
something
came
up
a
few
weeks
ago
as
well,
and
they
came
up.
They
come
up
now
and
then
I
don't
I
just
don't.
We
don't
have
purview
over
so
many
of
these
national
or
global
problems
if
they
affect
us
locally.
That's
one
thing
like
gun
safety
and
gun
laws.
AC
I
certainly
understand
getting
involved
in
that,
so
I
have
a
theoretical
issue
with
debating
these
national
issues
among
us,
but
but
I
also
don't
think
I
would
be
in
favor
of
this
across
the
board.
I
mean
there
are
plenty
of
people
who
can
pay
back
their
debt
and
if
and
if
somebody
has
student
loan
debt
because
they've
gone
to
princeton
and
now
they
work
on
wall
street,
why
should
they
have
their
loan
forgiven?
AC
I
don't
get
that
so
I,
and
it
also
seems
to
me
that
doing
this
would
just
eliminate
the
whole
concept
of
loans
I
mean
like
so
every
every
now
and
then
the
federal
loans
are
just
forgiven,
so
they're
not
really
loans
anymore
anyway.
They're
grants
and-
and
I
certainly
get
the
big
picture-
that
it's
better
for
the
federal
government
to
spend
money
on
education
than
on
the
defense
budget.
I
get
that,
but
it's
not
like
they
would
be
cutting
the
defense
budget
in
order
to
forgive
the
loans.
AC
So
I
I
have
a
lot
of
questions
about
this
and
I
haven't
had
time
to
read
the
footnotes
about
the
claim
that
it
would
create
more
jobs.
AC
I
certainly
think
that
it
would
allow
people
to
more
people
to
buy
homes
and
and
become
entrepreneurs.
I
believe
that,
but
I
I
would
have
to
take
time
to
read
these
footnotes,
but
I'm
not
I
can't
vote
tonight,
but
I
have
a
lot
of
doubts
about
this.
D
Yeah,
I
hear
you
donna,
so
I
didn't
so.
The
discussion
around
dc
these
days
is
revolving
around
this
50
000
amount
and
prison
by
himself
says
ten
thousand,
so
I
didn't
put
an
amount
in
here.
D
I
think
elizabeth
warren's
bill
says
to
you
know
whatever
is
possible,
so
I
kept
it
open,
but
the
the
the
conversation
kind
of
has
been
centering
around
this
50
50
grand
number,
which
I
think
might
you
know
it
would
help
certainly
a
law
school
student
with
literally
hundreds
of
thousands
of
debt,
but
would
not
eliminate
it
completely.
Also.
I
don't
know
that
helps
at
all,
but
in
my
mind
I'm
thinking,
50
grand
and
not
100,
of
unlimited
amounts
of
federal
debt.
H
W
Yeah
doug
thanks
for
bringing
this
forward
and
also
to
my
colleagues
for
for
some
great
questions
and
to
that
last
point
really
was
my.
My
comment
was
related
because
I
I
believe
to
to
graham's
point.
You
know
if
it's
a
if
we
have
currently
about
1.5
million
dollars
in
federal
student
loan
debt
out
there,
because
there's
the
conversation
isn't
necessarily
about
completely
wiping
out
that
debt,
it's
about
forgiving
parts
of
that.
So
as
duck
just
pointed
out,
the
the
low
number
right
here
is
ten
thousand
dollars.
W
Fifty
thousand
dollars
is
another
one
that's
bandied
about,
but
it
with
an
average
of
almost
forty
thousand
dollars.
You
could
see
that
it
wouldn't
necessarily
be
forgiving
all
of
that
alone.
So
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
lang
that
we're
comfortable
with
the
language-
I
believe
it's
in
the
first
resolve
that
that
basically
leaves
it
vague
enough
where,
where
we
would
be
supporting
any
any
amount
that
gets
selected
rather
than
rather
than
having
it
read
as
if
it's
saying
it
should
be
a
universal
wiping
out
of
all
student
debt.
D
That's
my
intention
that
it
was
vague
enough,
but
I'm
also
fine
with
adding
some
kind
of
stopper
or
something,
and
I
was
afraid
another
point
to
donna.
I
also
did
not
like
these
things
early
in
my
council
career.
I
think
the
the
election
of
2016
prompted
a
shift
in
me
to
like
kind
of
support
it.
So
this
my
constituent
asked
me
about
this,
and
then
I
did
some
research
and
then
I
put
this
forward
and.
X
D
Since
then,
I've
been
more
open
to
my
constituent.
Ask
for
something
like
this,
and
even
if
it's
just
one
or
a
handful
of
people,
if
it's
a
value
that
I
think
our
community
holds,
then
I
tend
to
be
okay
supporting
it.
But
but
I
hear
you,
I
used
to
think
these
are
worthless
and
a
waste
of
time
and
they
may
be,
but
at
least
it
gives
us
an
opportunity
to
to
express
our
values.
X
C
This
is
just
a
question
thinking
off
the
top
of
my
head,
because
I
I
don't
know
the
breadth
of
student
loans
and
whether
the
federal
government
also
loans
money
for
people
who
want
to
start
a
business
or
go
to
trade
school.
If
we
support.
C
D
AC
I
think
that
there
are
already
federal
loan
forgiveness
programs
for
people
who
work
in
public
service
for
some
number
of
years.
I'll
find
out
about
that,
because
I
think
that's
relevant.
D
Yeah,
that's
true.
There
are
some
of
those
programs
and
if
you
recall
there
was
like
a
some
hoopla
around
the
education
department,
not
accepting
some
like
one
of
those
programs,
for
example,
was
teaching
in.
D
Distressed
urban
schools
and
some
people
who
had
dedicated
years
of
their
lives
to
teaching
in
those
those
neighborhoods
ended
up
not
being
able
to
at
least
for
a
short
time.
I
think
it
did
get
resolved,
thankfully,
but
there
was
a
little
controversy
where
some
administrative
change
had
disqualified
them
from
debt,
forgiveness
and
so
yeah.
Those
programs
are
great
when
administered
properly,
but
this
would
be
more
accessible
to
even
more
people.
A
Right,
I
am
as
someone
who
has
worked
in
higher
education,
for
I
guess,
30
plus
years
now
I
have
first
of
all,
I
I
the
sentiment
of
this.
I
I
agree
with
in
general,
but
I
I
don't
think
a
this
goes
far
enough.
I
I
think
trying
to
untangle
the
the
problem
of
the
student
loan
system
is
is
one
of
those
wicked
problems.
It's
almost
as
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
fix.
You
know
the
health
care
system
or
one
of
those
things.
A
This
is
an
extremely
complicated
problem
and,
to
me
all
this
does
not
look
at
any
of
the
root
causes.
It
does
not
have
any
additional
other
items
that
counter
it.
You
can't
just
cancel
student
loan
debt
that
won't
actually
fix
the
problem
that
is
causing
people
to
have
exorbitant
exorbitantly
high
levels
of
of
student
loan
debt.
So
what
I'm
really
trying
to
drill
down
into
here
is
what
are
we
actually
asking
the
government
to
do?
A
I
would
rather
request
that
our
federal
government
spend
resources
on
fixing
the
entire
complex
problem
of
higher
education,
not
the
one
tiny
little
slice
of
the
issue.
Now
that's
been
exacerbated,
which
is
the
student
loan
issue,
which
is
extremely
complicated.
Why
people
have
these
high
student
loans,
it's
wrapped
into
the
minimum
wage,
not
having
gone
up,
it's
wrapped
into
the
cost
of
higher
education.
That's
been
significantly
increasing
and
there's
not
any
offsetting
measures
in
this
that
particularly
get
at
some
of
those
causes.
A
So
to
me,
just
wiping
out
student
loan
debt
doesn't
actually
solve
the
problem
of
student
loan
debt,
so
I
wouldn't
be
comfortable
with
this
unless
we
also
suggested
some
additional
counter
measures
or
things
to
be
looked
at
as
well.
In
addition
to
this-
and
I
do
think
I
also
have
sometimes
an
issue
with-
why
do
we
tackle
these
federal
issues
at
the
local
level?
But
higher
education
is
a
significant
driver
of
our
economy
here
in
ithaca.
A
So
I
think
we
would
be
remiss
if
we
didn't
somehow
include
some
sort
of
language
in
there
that
says
we.
We
are
paying
attention
to
this
issue
because
of
the
impact
that
this
would
potentially
have
on
our
main
economic
driver,
our
largest
employer,
our
tourism
economy
driver
is
the
fact
that
we
have
cornell
and
ithaca
college
and,
to
some
degree
tc3
in
our
community.
A
So
I
probably
won't
vote
for
this
in
this
form,
but
I
would
be
willing
to
get
some
additional
information
and
just
put
some
other
pieces
in
here
that
would
make
it
more
relevant
to
our
community
our
economy
and
offer
a
little
bit
more
strategic
way
to
get
at
this
complex
problem
of
student
loan
debt
before
I
would
be
comfortable
supporting
this.
H
V
Yeah
dad
thank
you
for
expressing
some
of
my
reservations
when
I
said
about
how
how
better
to
spend
1.5
trillion
dollars,
I
mean
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
we
should
be
thinking
about
and
ducks
into
your
point
about
becoming
more
aware
of
of
the
national
situation
and
how
we
might
influence
it.
I
think
I've
certainly
felt
that
there
are
reasons
not
to
do
it,
because
then
we
have
to
consider
you
know
the
vast
implications
of
this,
but
I
do
like
this
idea
of
linking
it
to
the
local
economy,
as
deb
did.
V
With
I
mean
higher
education
is
important
to
this
local
and
regional
area,
so
I
would
certainly
favor
putting
this
in
a
more
instead
of
just
kind
of
just
not
following
the
party
line,
but
just
kind
of
taking
this.
As
you
know,
canceling
I've
heard
this
cancelling
student
loan.
We
need
to
think
about
that
and
say
well
what
what
could
we
add
to
that?
That
would
be
important
locally
or
regionally
for
us
so
that
we
can,
you
know,
explain
to
our
constituents
why
we're
taking
a
position
on
this.
H
W
Yeah
I'll
just
add
my
thanks,
deb
to
for
articulating
that
I
think
you
make
a
really
important
point
about
it's
it's.
This
is
a
quick
fix
for
those
who've
already
been
through
the
system,
but
it
doesn't.
It
doesn't
really
help
us
into
the
future.
So
a
really
important
point.
A
A
A
So
back
to
our
agenda
looks
like
we
just
have
some
discussions
coming
up.
We
still
have
julie
here.
She
wanted
to
talk
to
us
a
little
bit
about
this
says
social
event
resources.
I
believe
it
should
have
said
special
event
resources,
but
that's
okay.
They
are
special
and
social.
Now
that
we
aren't
socially
distancing
anymore,
I
guess
they
are
social
events,
so,
whatever
whatever
we
want
to
call
them
julie,
take
it
away
all
right.
AA
Thanks
again
for
having
me,
we
just
wanted
to
have
I,
I
guess
a
very
frank
discussion
with
you
about
my
concerns
about
special
events.
Now
that
the
covid
19
restrictions
have
been
lifted,
which
we
are
all
eternally
thankful
for,
and
it's
a
great
thing
we're
faced
with
the
reality
of
how
we're
going
to
support
special
events
in
the
city
of
ithaca
moving
forward.
AA
AA
They
had
originally
scheduled
to
really
have
a
downscaled
event,
and-
and
that
may
continue-
I'm
not
really
sure,
but
we
are
in
discussions
with
porch
fest
and
some
other
larger
events,
and
I
just
have
a
very
grave
concern
that
the
city
of
ithaca
does
not
have
the
resources
that
it
needs
to
support
safe
events
right
now
and
the
smaller
events
we
can
handle.
AA
But
when
you
start
getting
to
the
5
000
person
mark
that
forces,
a
mass
gathering
permit
and
mass
gathering
permits
are
overseen
by
the
new
york
state
department
of
health,
and
they
have
very
strict
regulations
tied
to
them,
such
as
wanting
a
command
post
set
up
and
having
a
level
of
resources
from
law
enforcement,
fire
departments,
ems,
all
of
that
on
scene,
for
the
duration
of
the
event,
and
I'm
really
frankly,
very
concerned
about
that
as
it
stands
right
now
for
we're
telling
every
event
organizer
do
not
count
on
any
law
enforcement
resources.
AA
For
your
event,
we're
requiring
over
a
certain
amount
of
of
expected
attendance
that
they
have
private
security
engaged
ipd
will
do
everything
they
can
to
put
resources
to
these
events,
but
the
reality
is
is
that
their
patrols
are
running
short
and
and
when
they
post
overtime
details.
If
people
sign
up
for
it,
they
have
to
fill
those
patrol
spots
first
and
if
there's
more
people
available,
then
those
resources
can
go
towards
the
special
events
and
that's
you
know
that's
of
concern
to
me
this
year.
The
department
of
public
works
has
similarly
said.
AA
We
can.
We
have
no
resources
to
deliver
barricades
to
post
signs,
no
parking
signs
or
do
anything
we
can
make
the
materials
available
to
the
event
organizers
they
can
coordinate
with
us,
come
down
to
the
barns
pick
those
things
up,
deliver
them
back,
but
we
have
zero
resources
for
events.
They
are
severely
understaffed
right
now,.
AA
AA
If,
I'm
being
completely
honest
with
you,
I
don't
know
that
we
have
the
resources
to
support
multi-day
events
anymore,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
deliver
that
news,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
want
me
to
deliver
that
news.
I
I
think
we're
at
a
at
a
critical
juncture
where
common
council
has
to
decide
how
they
want
to
handle
events
moving
forward.
I
I
think
city
staff
has
done
an
amazing
job
up
to
now.
AA
They've
done
everything
they
can
with
every
little
bit
of
resource
that
they
have,
but
they
don't
they
just
don't
have
it
anymore,
and
you
know
with
events
that
have
happened
across
the
country
and
the
increased
risks
that
we're
seeing
having
you
know,
thousands
of
people
gathered
together
and
we've
seen
the
damage
and
the
devastation
of
the
actions
of
other
human
beings.
AA
We
and
we
will
respond
in
force
if
something
like
that
happens,
and
we
will
call
on
all
of
our
mutual
aid
companies
to
respond
to
something
like
that.
But
I
think
everybody's
goal
is
to
be
proactive
and
prevent
things
like
that
not
to
be
in
this,
this
responsive
mode
all
the
time
and
that's
definitely
where
we're
at
right
now,
and
so
I
just
thought
it
was
time
that
I
present
you
with
this
information
so
that
you
can
help
us
decide
how
to
move
forward
and
how
you
want
us
to
to
move
forward.
AA
AA
You
know
their
first
reaction
sometimes
is
to
reach
out
to
you
or
to
reach
out
to
the
mayor
and
say
you
know
they
just
told
me:
no,
we
can't
do
this.
Is
there
any
way
you
can
make
this
happen,
and
sometimes
some
of
you
have
intervened
or
the
mayor
has
intervened
and
we've
tried
to
to
find
a
hybrid
solution
or
a
compromise
that
that
everyone
can
live
with?
AA
A
So
julie,
I
have
a
quick
question:
is
the
health
department
still
involved
at
all
and
in
just
in
terms
of
covered?
Really
I
mean
aside
all
of
the
other
things
that
you
said,
which
I
think
would
still
be
problems
whether
or
not
there
was
a
pandemic.
I
think
we
kind
of
knew
this
issue
of
large-scale
events
in
our
communities
was
putting
a
strain
on
city
resources
before
the
pandemic
right.
So
now
that's
been
exacerbated,
and
I
know
you
know
cuomo's
grand
announcement
today
that
everything
is
over.
A
You
know
everybody's
good
I'll,
go
back
to
your
normal
is
probably
going
to
amp
up
these
okay.
Now
we
can
all
go
back
to
normal.
Does
the
county
still
have
covered
restrictions
on
large
scale?
Events?
I
know
that
they
were
kind
of
working
through
approving
different
events.
Is
that
just
completely
lifted
now,
yeah.
AA
We
we
met
with
department
of
health
staff
last
week
and
they
basically
said
the
only
thing
that
they're
paying
attention
to
is
indoor
venues
that
can
hold
5000
people
or
more,
and
that's
really
not
a
concern
for
us,
because
all
of
our
events
are
outdoors
and
I'm
not
even
sure
we
have
an
indoor
venue
yet
that
can
hold
5000
people
for
for
an
event
like
that.
So
you
know
there.
The
requirements
are
for
unvaccinated
people
to
be
responsible,
wear
masks
and
socially
distance
themselves,
but
in
terms
of
events
and
and
large
gatherings.
A
AA
I
think
that
if
you
want
events
to
continue
as
they
have
in
2019
and
prior
years,
we
definitely
need
more
staff
resources
and
it's
in
multiple
departments,
and
but
I
think
right
now,
what
we're
experiencing
in
some
of
those
departments
is
that,
even
though
we're
trying
to
hire
people,
we
don't
have
the
applications
coming
in.
We
can't
find
the
bodies
right
now
to
to
do
that,
so
this
is
going
to
take
time.
AA
You
know
it
took
time
to
get
to
the
place
where
we
are
right
now
and
it's
going
to
take
time
to
dig
out
of
it.
But,
yes,
I
so.
I
think
that
we
either
have
to
put
more
resources
towards
it,
or
we
have
to
consider
saying
apple
harvest
festival
can
be
a
one
day
event.
The
ethical
festival
can
maybe
be
a
parade
in
a
one-day
event
or
something
that
will
scale
the
events
down
to
make
them
more
manageable
for
the
staff
and
the
equipment,
resources
that
we
currently
have.
D
Yeah
I
had
the
same
question
as
george,
so
to
the
extent
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
tonight,
but
that
you
can
have
a
list-
and
I
know
it's
not
always
obvious,
but
even
a
rough
thing
like
you
need
this.
Many
more
people
in
the
public
information
office
there
dpw
is
lacking
this
type
of
person
who
usually
takes
care
of
this.
That
would
be
really
helpful
for
us
as
we
go
into
budget
season,
because
I
do
support
these
large
events
because
they're
a
big
part
of
what
makes
ithaca
special.
I
mean.
D
We
all
know
that.
Oh
and
obviously
the
police
department
is
a
huge
obvious
one
in
terms
of
providing
and
yeah.
You
did
come
to
us
with
that
phenomenal
presentation
a
couple
years
ago,
and
so
we
we've
known
this
issue
as
a
pro,
so
I
I
do.
I
think
these
are
really
important
to
to
to
us
and
the
community,
and
but
we
need
to
give
city
hall
the
support
and
so.
D
D
So,
regardless
of
the
money,
I
do
know
that
it
would
not
come
quickly,
and
so
I
think
it
is
reasonable
to
say
hey
we're
still
in
recovery
mode
for
a
variety
of
reasons.
Things
just
can't
be
as
big
as
they
as
they
used
to
be
and
we'll
just
have
to
slowly
ramp
up
as
our
resources
ramp
back.
But
thank
you
for
everything.
D
Oh,
I
want
to
say
I
told
you
this
privately,
but
during
the
rally
in
response
to
the
shootings
in
atlanta
to
go
against
asian
hate,
the
organizer
cat
gave
the
the
clerk's
office
a
shout
out
on
stage
about
how
responsive
they
were
and
how
quickly
they
were
able
to
respond,
and
so
I
was
very
proud
of
our
department
for
that.
W
W
You
know
you
know
we're
starting
to
worry
about
this
and
we
know
julie
sounded
this
alarm
for
us
at
least
two
years
ago,
and
and
at
that
time
julia
remind
me
of
or
remind
me
about
this.
I
think
it
was
around
that
time
that
new
york
state
started
to
change
some
of
its
mass
gathering
policies,
which
was
really
going
to
put
a
strain
on
us
even
prior
to
covet.
So
so
this
isn't
new
new
information.
W
We
did
get
a
little
bit
of
a
reprieve.
We
did
add
a
common
council
liaison
to
that
special
event.
Committee.
That's
me,
but
you
know
it
happened
around
the
same
time.
W
Code
did
so
so
there
hasn't
been
a
lot
to
do
one
of
the
things
I
would
say
this
committee
and
and
forgive
me
julie,
but
I
may
be
adding
more
work
to
your
plate
as
well
as
others,
but
but
it
feels
like
this
is
a
committee
that
has
just
by
the
nature
of
it
has
been
coming
together,
mostly
in,
as
you
pointed
out,
reaction
to
things
and
they're,
a
really
important
group
of
people
that
if
we
could
carve
out
some
time
to
help
be
more
proactive
about,
where
are
the
places
we're
falling
short,
we
might
be
able
to
help
you,
you
know,
put
that
list
together
that
we've
just
been
talking
about,
and
specifically
I
think
it
would
be
important
for
us
to
try
to
carve
out
of
this.
W
What
are
the
opportunities
to
help
staff
these
things
or
resource
these
things
with
with
outside
agencies
and
then
and
help
to
get
numbers
attached
to
that,
so
that
we
can
at
least
go
to
a
festival,
organizer
and
say
you
know
there
might
be
a
way
to
do
this,
but
it's
going
to
cost
you
as
the
organization
x
and
not
try
to
put
that
burden
on
the
city.
W
As
many
of
you
know,
I
I
was
involved
in
running
at
the
ethica
festival
for
a
very
long
time,
and
it
was,
it
was
a
struggle
for
us
to
try
to
come
up
with
the
finances,
but
mostly
because
we
were
an
organization
that
didn't
have
our
focus
on
that
right
and
I
think,
if
you,
if
you
start
to
help
people
understand
that
part
of
their
role
in
making
festivals
a
part
of
the
ithaca
experience
is
they
have
to
raise
the
money
to
cover
the
expenses
of
that
festival
and
they
can't
rely
on
the
city
to
just
subsidize
it.
V
V
I
know
you
do
an
incredible
job
on
this
and
I
can
imagine
that
it's,
as
you
said
with
this
pent-up
energy,
this
is
going
to
be
something
we're
going
to
be
facing
on
a
regular
basis,
and
so
I
I
agree
with
rob
trying
to
be
proactive
here
I
mean
I
agree:
we've
got
to
get
the
message
across
to
these
event,
organizers
that
the
city
can't
provide
the
things
that
it
may
have
done
in
the
past
I
mean,
as
somebody
said,
we're
still
in
recovery
mode,
but
even
if
we
weren't,
I
mean-
I
think
you
know,
having
or
expecting
ipd
to
provide
full
coverage
for
some
of
these
events
is-
probably
you
know
it's
inappropriate
in
the
sense
of
we
have
these
highly
trained
armed
officers.
V
Hopefully
you
know-
and
I
think
as
rob
says,
if
we
can
identify
professional
event,
organizers
that
can
help
these
groups
to
organize
more
effectively
and
financially
more
efficiently,
but
with
the
recognition
that
the
city
will
help
as
much
as
it
can
like
dpw
saying:
okay,
you
get
the
people
here
are
the
barriers
your
team
can
put
those
in
place.
I
think
we've
got
to
get
that
message
across
because
I
know
you
don't
want
to
be
denying
people,
but
I
also
think
that
this
idea
of
scaling
back
events
is
probably
a
really
good
idea.
V
So
still
have
some
of
these
main
events
but
scale
back
the
logistics
so
that
we
can
have
successful
events
and
for
the
meantime
they
would
have
to
be
perhaps
shorter
than
they
have
been
in
the
past.
But
I
think
getting
the
message
out
early
to
people
is
going
to
be
the
key
and,
as
rob
said,
I
think,
perhaps
having
a
closer
relationship
with
some
of
these
outside
organization
event.
Organizations
would
be
good.
AA
And
I
I
think
I
think
that
some
of
the
event
organizers
would
tell
you
that
it's
like
a
chicken
and
egg
thing
that
they
need
the
three
day.
Events
in
order
to
raise
the
money
to
afford
to
have
the
the
festivals,
because
you
know
they
get
money
from
vendors,
and
you
know
all
of
that
is
how
they
raise
their
revenue.
AA
So
that'll
be
part
of
it,
and
I
did
want
to
share
that
acting
chief
julie
has,
you
know,
suggested
that
perhaps
we
could
hire
retired
police
officers
or
something
to
to
be
the
security
force,
or
you
know,
however,
you
want
to
do
for
these
events.
It
doesn't
have
to
be
active
armed.
You
know
police
officers,
but
someone
that's
trained
in
crowd,
control
traffic
management.
If
fights
should
break
out
or
you
know
anything
like
that-
would
be
helpful.
It's
it's
sometimes
hard
just
to
put
a
civilian
force
out
there.
AA
You
know
we
are.
We
have
been
very
pleasantly
pleased
with
private
security,
who
are
you
know,
trained
security
guards
and
being
our
eyes
and
ears.
Obviously,
if
something
bad
happens,
they
really
can't
do
it,
but
they
can.
They
can
stem
the
tide
until
emergency
response
can
get
there
so
yeah.
I
think
these
are
all
great.
AC
AC
Certainly
we
have
to
tell
event
organizers
that
things
must
be
either
not
take
place
at
all
or
be
scaled
back,
but
even
when
we
have
staff
in
place,
I
think
we
have
to
be
much
more
careful
about
charging
event
organizers
what
it
costs
the
city,
I'm
not
in
favor
of
the
city,
heavily
subsidizing
these
these
large
events,
either
by
paying
security
or
by
paying
dpw
to
clean
up
or
many
of
the
the
additional
labor
incurred
by
julie's
office.
AC
AA
And
a
lot
of
times
their
response
will
be
look
at
all
the
money
that
these
events
bring
into
the
city,
and
I
don't
want
to
ignore
that,
because
that
is
a
very
real
thing.
It
is
important
for
our
economic
development
and
and
our
merchants,
and
all
of
that
to
to
have
attractions
that
bring
people
downtown.
AA
They
do
stay
in
our
hotels,
they
do
frequent
our
restaurants,
they
do
shop
in
our
stores
and
all
of
that,
the
problem
and
that's
all
wonderful
and
in
the
long
run
the
city
sees
those,
but
in
the
short
term
you
know
our
individual
departmental
budgets
don't
benefit
from
that
and-
and
you
know
so-
that
that's
a
little
difficult
disconnect.
I
think.
A
Great
rob
or
donna
were
you.
AC
AC
W
Yeah
and
those
those
are
all
very
important,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that
my
remarks
are
made
clear.
I
I
do
believe
we
have
some
very
talented
event
organizers
in
this
community.
W
I
think
the
issue
is,
we
haven't
always
made
it
very
clear
what
it
costs
to
put
on
an
event,
and
I
and
I
think
we
could
find
the
common
ground
of
saying
that
there
are
some
things
that
just
really
need
to
have
fixed
costs.
So
security
is
probably
one
of
those
things
if
new
york
state
requires
us
to
have
a
command
center
that
has
armed
officers
available
or
manning
personally
and
around
the
around
the
time
of
the
festival.
W
But
there
are,
there
are
probably
many
other
things
that
the
city
can
absorb
right.
So
you
know,
and
and
we
can
call
that
our
contribution
to
the
economic
development
stimulus
but
certain
parts-
it
can't
be
a
hundred
percent
of
the
the
city
costs
and
I
think
that's
the
key
that
we
have
to
make
sure
people
understand.
A
Yeah,
I
I
agree
with
rob.
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
main
concerns
or
issues
is
where
we,
if
we
say
oh,
we
have
to
scale
it
back.
So
then
we
can't
control.
If
these
are
just
open
public
events
right
so
then
we
have
30
000
people
showing
up
for
a
shorter
window
of
apple
festival
than
spreading
it
out.
I
mean
that
that
that's
a
concern
of
mine.
A
You
know
that
people
are
hungry
to
go
back
to
these
large
public
events,
so
I
have
a
concern
that
telling
them
to
go
one
day
instead
of
two
days
isn't
necessarily
going
to
fix
the
problem,
because
then
that
one
day
could
be
worse
because
everybody
that
wants
to
go
to
it
that
it
used
to
be
three
days
is
now
going
to
try
to
come
on
one
day.
So
I
don't.
I
don't
know
how
to
navigate
that
problem,
but
I
think
that
we
can
place
some
baselines.
Like
rob
was
saying
on
it.
A
You
know
if
it's
over
a
certain
amount
of
people,
you
have
to
have
a
professional
event
organizer
that
either
is
the
dia
or
contracted
or
something
or
certified,
and
maybe
we
have
some
sort
of
list
of
preferred
organizers
or
something
like
that
that
the
person
has
to
use,
and
I
think
we
have
to
not
assume
that
city
staff
are
just
readily
available
to
do
things
like
garbage,
pick
up
and
put
out
signs
and
barricades
and
all
of
those
things
that
we
need
to
start
attaching
fees
to
those
services.
What
does
that
cost?
A
But
we
can't
just
attach
a
feed
to
it
without
ensuring
that
there
will
be
actually
people
to
to
do
that
right.
So
maybe
there
is
another
there's
a
whole
other
set
of
like
subcontractors
that
we
need
to
have
in
line
so
that
if
there
are
local
companies
or
businesses
or
whoever
is
willing
to
do
barricades
and
this
and
this
and
then
these
they
will
have
to
be
built
into
the
budgets
of
these
large-scale
programs.
A
And
I
think
maybe
you
would
have
had
some
pushback
in
the
past
to
some
of
these
things,
but
now
that
we've
all
gone
through
this
pandemic
and
we
all
need
to
be
thinking
about
public
safety
differently.
We
need
to
be
thinking
about
crowds
differently.
We
need
to
be
thinking
about
all
kinds
of
things
differently
you
may
be
able
to.
A
There
may
be
less
pushback
to
some
of
these
kind
of
lines
that
the
city
now
has
to
draw
in
order
to
say,
if
you
want
to
have
this
large
scale
festival
in
our
community,
you
have
to
have
this
element,
this
element
this
element,
and
then
we
have
to
hold
the
line.
Then
we
can't
let
one
person
slide
and
do
this
thing
because
we're
nice
and
we
love
them,
and
you
know
we.
We
all
think
that
our
community
is
better
because
of
these
great
events
that
make
ithaca
unique
and
I
don't
think
we
can
squash
them.
A
So
I
feel
like
maybe
the
special
event
committee
has
to
kind
of
work
on
this,
and
I
know
you
already
have
the
framework
for
this,
but
maybe
the
next
piece
is
bringing
a
group
of
people
together
to
to
come
up
with
a
list
of
companies
that
could
be
contracted
to
do
some
of
this
work.
If
you
are
outsourcing
security,
these
are
the
requirements
that
the
security
company
has
to
have.
A
If
you
are
outsourcing
barricades
and
traffic
and
blah
blah,
then
these
are
the
requirements
that
that
group
has
to
have,
and
if
that
group
cannot
provide
adequate,
you
know
proof
that
they've
hired
all
the
right
people,
then
that
event
can't
happen,
and
I
know
that
that's
terrible,
but
that
then
you're
putting
the
onus
on
the
event
organizers
to
comply
with
what
we
need.
Instead
of
the
city
having
to
be
the
person
who
pulls
the
plug
at
the
last
minute,
because
all
of
these
things
weren't
in
place.
AA
And
I
think
basically
we're
looking
for
that
level
of
support.
If
it
comes
down
to
saying
sorry,
ethical
festival,
you
know
you
didn't
meet
these
requirements.
You
can't
have
an
ethical
festival
that
when
that
news
goes
around
and
you
get
hit
with
all
of
that,
that
everyone
that
we're
all
standing
on
the
same
line,
I
think
is-
is
really
my
ultimate
goal.
It's
just
incredibly
difficult
for
staff
when
we're
trying
to
hold
a
line
and
other
people,
you
know
other
people
aren't
or
you
know
whatever
and
and
it
just
it's
frustrating.
AA
So
we
are
happy
to
stand
arm
in
arm
with
all
of
you
and
and
determine
you
know
if
we
all
agree
that
these
are
the
rules,
we'll
all
abide
by
them
and
then,
when
the
difficult
decisions
have
to
be
made,
that
we
know
that
we're
making
them
together
and
we're
all
supporting
them.
I
think,
will
go
a
very,
very
long
way
for
the
special
events,
team
and
city
staff.
A
I
do
have
a
text
message
from
the
the
chief.
He
also
says,
he'd
be
willing
to
come
and
talk
specifically
if
he
wanted
to
talk
about
the
constraints
on
public
safety
and
ipd
as
sort
of
a
sub-topic
of
this,
because
that
is
another
issue
where
I
think
we
need
to
be
very
careful
and
strategic
about
what
what
we
allow
for.
A
What
we
are
deeming
is
okay
for
public
safety,
and
we
need
to
be
continue
to
be
compliant
with
these
new
mass
gathering
guidelines
from
the
state
and
they're
much
more
rigorous
than
they
ever
have
been
in
the
past,
and
I
think
if
it
would
be
helpful,
we
could
schedule
the
chief
and
julie
to
come
back
to
a
meeting,
maybe
with
some.
A
Okay,
great,
we
still
have
two
three
discussions
that
we
need
to
have.
I
think
we
definitely
need
to
have
our
5g
discussion
and
we
will
just
do
a
time
check
when
we're
finished
with
that,
and
maybe
we
can
at
least
briefly
get
to
the
other
two
topics
that
we
have
on
our
agenda
for
this
evening.
So
I
think
what
else?
What
I'll
do
at
this
point
is
just
simply
turn
it
over
to
ari.
A
A
We've
had
a
lot
of
comments
coming
from
the
public
and
I
think
the
reason
this
is
a
discussion
is
because
ari
is
kind
of
gonna,
give
us
a
sort
of
pathways
that
we
could
take
directions
that
we
could
go
for
5g
and
he
needs
he
needs
a
good
understanding
of
what
we
are
comfortable
with
before
there
can
be,
I
think,
a
final
final
version
of
these
guidelines
so
I'll.
Just
let
aria
explain
and
then
we'll
go
from
there.
Y
Oh,
thank
you
though
I
I
guess
I
want
to
start
by
by
thanking
the
public
for
those.
J
Y
For
all
of
their
input
on
this,
I
think
there
was
some
very
constructive
feedback,
as
members
of
the
committee
said
from
the
public,
and
we
appreciated
that-
and
I
do
have
a
couple
specific
comments.
But
before
I
get
there,
corinne
did
a
ton
of
work
on
this
and
I'd
like
to
give
her
a
chance
to
weigh
in
with
any
specifics,
you'd
like
to
share
with
the
community.
A
Y
Y
AB
I
I
think
that
a
lot
of
the
comments
that
we
got
tonight
can
be
easily
incorporated.
If
that's,
what
council
wanted
to
do,
and
some
of
them,
I
think,
are
just
they
make
a
lot
of
sense,
for
instance
like
the
definition
of
a
significant
gap,
so
I
guess,
but
it
would
be
helpful
just
to
get
some
guidance
on
some
of
the
other
things
like
distance
from
building
face
and
and
other
factual
points
that
are
in
the
in
the
revised
code.
AB
Y
Yeah,
thank
you,
ken,
so
I'll,
say
a
few
sort
of
policy
level
questions
that
I
think
the
committee
could
usefully
weigh
in
on
to
help
staff
understand
where
council
wants
to
go
with
this
legislation,
I'm
include,
as
crin
just
said,
the
setbacks
from
buildings.
I
think
that
is
one
key
one
right
there.
Y
Another
one
is
the
the
question
of
whether
we
want
to
permit
5g
installations
in
ithaca
that
meet
all
of
the
design,
guideline
criteria
or
all
the
criteria
that
were
previously
in
the
design
guidelines.
Y
I
guess
the
way
to
create
that
that
council
wants
even
where
there's
not
a
gap
in
coverage
and
I'll
say,
like
I
heard
loud
and
clear
from
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
commenting
tonight
that
that's
not
what
they
want,
they
want
to
only
permit
5g
installations
where
there
is
a
gap
in
coverage,
and
that
may
be
nowhere
in
ethical
right,
as
I
think
some
commentaries
said
tonight.
Y
So
I
think
that's
a
very
fundamental
choice
and
the
other
point
that
I'll
make
in
connection
with
that,
and
I'm
expecting
no
view
on
what
to
do
with
it.
I'm
simply
asking
the
committee
what
you
would
like
to
be
done
with
it.
Y
The
other
point,
relevance
where
that's
concerned
is,
as
I
expect
you
all
know,
you
received
a
letter
from
a
verizon
government
relations
staff
member
today,
basically
arguing
that
the
approach
that
the
city
is
considering
in
the
current
draft
ordinance
would
violate
federal
law
and
clearly
mr
campanelli
has
advised
us
that
that
is
not
the
case,
but
it's
just
worth
understanding
that
there.
Y
I
am
going
to
avoid,
for
obvious
reasons
expressing
any
views
on
that
on
the
floor
here
tonight
on
that
legal
question,
because
I
don't
think
it
would
be
in
city's
interest
for
me
to
do
that.
But,
but
those
are,
I
think,
some
of
the
the
key
questions
that
would
be
useful
to
hear
the
committees
use
on
again
one.
What
kind
of
setback
distance
are
you
looking
for
because,
at
least
according
to
mr
campanelli,
it's
just
a
policy
choice
that
the
council
can
make
two.
Y
J
Y
We'll
allow
5g
installations
where
they
actually
meet
all
the
other
criteria,
we're
looking
for
for
our
former
design
guidelines
criteria
and
at
three.
What
level
of
legal
risk
is?
Is
the
council
looking
to
undertake
here
and
I'm
happy
to
discuss
that
legal
risk
further
in
various
settings,
including
an
executive
session,
I'm
not
trying
to
bow
out
of
advising
on
it?
I'm
simply
saying
that
I
genuinely
don't
believe
it's
in
the
city's
interest
for
me
to
speak
to
that
directly
on
council,
floor
or
committee
florida
and
where
we
are
right
now.
C
Ari,
I
I
really
like
the
way
you
presented
that
I
it
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
Speaking
for
myself,
I
think
we
got
a
lot
of
value
from
hiring
mr
campanelli
and
just
about
all
the
suggestions.
The
public
made
this
evening
were
based
on
his
recommendations,
and
I
think
I
think
that's
what
we
should
use
as
our
guide.
C
Service
gap,
testing
radioactivity,
testing
by
the
city
and
paid
for
by
the
by
the
company,
and
no
like
straw
companies
in
between
all
those
things
that
they
they
mentioned,
I
think,
would
be
good
to
have
in
our
ordinances.
C
C
C
C
I
see
people
driving
looking
at
their
phones
all
the
time,
and
so
if,
if
we
go
down
this
road,
where
technological
advances
are
are
through
your
phone
and
everybody's,
watching
a
movie
on
their
phone
and
and
etc,
etc,
I
don't
think
that's
good
for
our
health
as
as
drivers
and
passengers
and
cars
or
on
bikes
for
that
matter.
C
So
that's
the
reason
I'm
really
hesitant
about
this
technology,
but
I
I
think
we
should
use
what
we
got
from
mr
campanelli,
and
I
would
also
like
to
point
out
that
the
town
of
ithaca
is
pretty
much
adopting
his
recommendations
in
their
guidelines.
So
if
we
did
the
same,
I
think
that
would
that
would
make
a
unified
front
for
our
community.
V
Yeah
thanks
deb
and
corinne
and
ari
thanks
very
much
for
the
draft
and
all
the
tremendous
amount
of
work
you've
already
done
on
this,
and
you
know
I
mean
I
I
still
am
somewhat
confused
about
the
intent
of
I
mean
I
read
through
the
verizon
letter
and
stuff
like
this,
and
the
idea
that
companies
are
not
thinking
about
providing
inline
internet
connections.
V
I
mean
fios
verizon,
provides
fios
connections
that
allow
people
to
have
very
good
internet
connections
to
work
at
home,
and
we've
heard
from
the
public
and
apparently
from
the
verizon
ceo,
that
you
know
this
technology
is
apparently
you
know.
5G
is
you
know
you
don't
need
to
be
closer
than
2000
feet,
which
I
find
a
bit
confusing,
because
we
were
told
earlier
that
you
know
foliage
and
this
kind
of
stuff
can
interrupt
the
signal.
So
I
certainly
feel
like.
V
If
that
claim
is,
is
good,
then
I
see
no
reason
why
we
shouldn't
increase
the
the
spacing
between
these
and
certainly
the
the
kind
of
setbacks
to
a
much
higher
level.
If
that's,
what
we're
able
to
do
and
the
technology
can
can
handle
that,
and
then
some
of
these
other
I
mean
re,
raises
a
good
point
about
gap
in
coverage.
V
I
think
I
would
want
to
have
5g,
perhaps
if
it
was
needed,
but
with
these
other
provisions
in
place
primarily
for
looking
at
the
the
built
environment,
I
mean
that
we're
talking
about
design
guidelines
and
we
have
this
huge
project
on
college
avenue,
which
is
burying
all
the
power
lines,
and
I
know
donna
and
others
have
mentioned
this.
We
don't
want
to
go
backwards
with
the
technology
and
and
have
the
capability
to
have
all
this
extra
infrastructure
literally
hanging
above
our
heads.
V
So
I
I
would
want
to
see
that
you
know
we
have
as
stricter
a
coders
or
strictest
guidelines
as
possible
and
certainly
incorporate
some
of
the
suggestions
in
addition
to
the
campanelli
ones,
that
some
of
the
members
of
the
public
and-
and
mr
campanelli
have
pointed
out
that
we're
able
to
do
particularly
things
like
that
setback
number
and
also
I
I'm
particularly
interested
in
the
revocability
capacity
because,
as
george
says,
this
technology
changes
so
quickly.
V
If
they're,
you
know
going
to
continue
to
implement
this
and
there
are
changes,
I
want
us
to
be
able
to
have
the
capacity
to
say.
Well,
we
need
to
revoke
this
and
adapt
to
the
new
technology
that's
coming
along,
so
those
are
just
some
thoughts
on
on
the
input
that
we've
had
tonight
and
the
current
draft.
D
Setbacks,
I
think
any
number's
fine.
You
know
campanelli
gave
us
that
guidance
that,
as
long
as
there's
a
path
to
relief,
then
it's
defensible
and
I'm
fine
with
a
higher
number.
The
gap
in
coverage
is
to
answer
our
specific
question
about
whether
we
should
effectively
ban
5g
without
a
gap
in
any
cell
coverage.
I
don't
agree
with.
D
I
think
we
can
set
a
you
know,
gap
in
coverage
for
a
particular
technology
like
5g
or
certain
data
rates,
but
I
would
not
be
supportive
of
anything
that
is
a
de
facto
ban
on
on
new
wireless
technologies
and
yeah.
It
things
evolve
quickly,
but
not
that
quickly.
I
mean
it
takes
years
between
the
evolution
from
edge
to
3g
to
4g,
and
I
think
we've
all
benefited
from
it,
even
if
it's
for
you
know
just
looking
for
information,
but
we're
checking
our
emails
at
a
slightly
faster
pace.
D
So
I'm
not
that
concerned
about
we've
already
survived
decades
of
technological
evolution
in
the
wireless
space
without
catastrophic
impact.
So
I
think
progress
is
good
in
this
area
and
I'm
not
opposed
to
it.
My
my
appetite
for
legal
risk
is
fairly
low
and
especially
for
something
that
is,
as
you
know,
our
neighbor
and
cert
neighbors
in
syracuse
have
had
a
much
more
permissive
5g
guideline
system
in
place
with.
Y
D
Oh
I'm
fine
with
with
pretty
much
any
setback
based
on
campaign
guidance
that,
if
there's
a
system
of
relief
that
you
know.
A
Y
I
mean,
I
think
I've
heard
both
george
and
graham
sound,
like
they're
in
pretty
much
the
same
place,
I
think
ducks
in
a
different
place,
though,
on
the
setbacks,
it's
useful
to
hear
that
there
may
be
some
consensus
around
that,
so
we
I
mean.
Look.
I
guess
if
there's
no
other
feedback
from
the
committee
at
this
point,
we
will
take
the
voices
that
we've
heard
tonight,
combined
with
prior
comment
and
head
in
the
direction
pretty
much
the
direction
of
the
public
seems
to
be
advocating.
Y
Y
A
number
of
times
has
been
around
the
idea
that
the
city
should
conduct
the
testing,
the
the
radiation
testing
at
the
expense
of
the
telecoms,
and
I
I
appreciate
that
would
be
at
the
expense
of
the
telecoms.
I
don't
know
what
the
staffing
impact
on
city
staff
would
be
like
for
being
actually
in
charge
of
overseeing
that
testing,
and
so
I'm
a
little
reticent
to
write.
That
particular
issue
into
the
ordinance.
L
W
Yeah,
ari,
I
think,
if
it's
helpful,
so
I'm
also
in
that
george
graham
camp
for
the
most
part-
and
I
think
just
to
that
last
point.
W
Y
I
I
agree
with
your
understanding.
I'm
just
concerned
that
I
think
what
joanna
said
probably
expresses
her
concern
as
well,
that
even
just
the
city
staff
being
charged
with
coordinating
that
contracting
for
each
round
of
testing
could
be
a
meaningful
staff
impact.
If
there
were
a
number
of
these
installations
in
the
city
which
again
maybe
there
won't
be
a
given
direction,
that
looks
like
we're
headed,
but
if
there
were,
I,
I
still
would
be
concerned
about
that.
In
fact,.
H
A
C
Yeah,
those
are
good
cautionary
points.
Joanna
and
ari.
Part
of
this,
for
me,
has
always
been
what
it's
going
to
look
like
physically,
so
I
I
don't
know
if
duck.
If
you've
been
to
syracuse
and
seen
their
5g
hardware,
is
it
worth
going
up
there
to
see
what
it
looks
like.
D
Well,
there's
there's
two
types:
so
there's
the
small
cell
facilities
that
you
can
see
right
here
in
in
the
city
around
you
know
north
side
or
fall
creek
they're
just
little
boxes
about
the
size
of
I'm
trying
to
think
of
a
comparison,
because
they
are
located
like
20
feet
up
and
so
the
scale
can
be
hard.
But
I
don't
know
like
a
suitcase
size
thing.
D
Right
yeah
yeah
on
existing
utility
poles.
So
there's
that
and
then
the
it's
kind
of
like
the
fake
5g,
that's
like
a
faster
4g
is
usually
accompanied
by
along
with
the
standard
cell
infrastructure,
so
the
towers
are
already
around.
So
if
you
drive
around
syracuse,
I
don't
see
much
of
an
impact
just
because
a
lot
of
it
is
slightly
upgraded
4g
and
so
that
infrastructure
is
already
there
and
then
the
the
micro
like
the
the
high
speed
one.
D
I've
not
actually
used
that,
apparently
it's
in
philadelphia
in
new
york
city,
but
I've
never
been
to
any
parts
of
those
cities
where
I
got
the
the
millimeter
wave
5g.
So
I
wasn't
in
a
neighborhood
where
I
could
see
the
impact,
so
I
don't
know
you
could
probably.
J
H
D
V
Thank
you,
ari.
My
thought
was,
you
know.
We
know
the
town
is
as
drafted,
I'm
not
quite
sure
where
that
process
is,
but
I
think
we
made
this
point
earlier
that
it
would
be
good
to
see
where
the
town
is
in
terms
of
you
know
their
regulations,
and
you
know
at
least
consider
what
they've
either
adopted
or
are
planning
to
adopt.
V
It
may
not
be
exactly
the
same
as
us,
but
I
I
would
want
it
to
be
at
least
some
kind
of
consistency
there,
because,
as
I
think
I
mentioned
in
previous
discussions,
the
town
city
boundary
is
somewhat
artificial
when
it
comes
to
technology,
and
so
there
may
be
some
implications
for
that
in
terms
of
what
we
implement
as
opposed
to
what
the
town
is
implementing.
So
I
don't
know
whether
there's
any
been
any
recent
discussions
with
the
town
it'd
be
helpful
to
to
know
the
current
status
of
that.
Y
I
don't
believe
we've
had
any
recent
discussions
with
the
town.
We
had
some
a
good
while
ago
back
when
we
were
considering
jointly
retaining
andrew
capinelli,
but
that's
not
right.
Y
And
and
then
the
other
comment
that
I
was
going
to
make
speaking
of
andrew
campanelli
is
that
our
retainer
with
him
does
permit
us
to
enjoy
his
advice
at
a
future
additional
meeting
or
two.
If
that
would
be
useful,
so
I
I
believe
one
perhaps
productive
approach
depending
how
the
committee
feels
might
be
that
crin
and
I
can
go
ahead
and
update
the
draft.
Y
That's
in
your
agenda
packet
tonight,
based
on
the
feedback
we've
just
heard
from
you
and
the
feedback
from
the
public,
bring
it
back
to
a
subsequent
ca
meeting,
probably
next
month,
and-
and
I
guess
a
question
for
the
committee
would
be-
would
you
like?
Would
it
be
useful
for
us
to
invite
mr
campanelli
back
to
july
ca
if
we
have
legislation
on
that
agenda
as
well,
so
that
he
can
answer
any
additional
questions
and
then
provide
any
additional
advice
around
the
draft
that
we
end
up
with
at
that
point?
C
C
AB
I
don't
think
so.
I
I
I
think
if
there's
any
the
the
table,
that,
I
think
was
a
part
of
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
public
comments
is
in
the
revisions
to
city
code
152,
and
that
may
be
something
that
these
were
primarily
taken
from
when
we
had
just
sell
small
cell
guidelines
set
up
and
they
were
the
distances
that
public
works
would
be
comfortable
with
being
close
to
different.
AB
Y
This
is
in
the
this
is
the
third
page
of
this
portion
of
the
agenda,
so
the
first
page
is
the
memo.
The
second
page
starts
the
legislation
and
the
third
page,
which
I
guess
is
the
second
page
of
the
of
the
legislation
itself.
No
I'm
sorry.
The
third
page
of
the
legislation
itself
right
at
the
top,
has
a
table
in
pink.
That
actually
starts
at
the
bottom
of
the
second
page
is
that
right,
prince.
AB
Yeah
and
so
that's
the
table
which
folks
were
drawing
from
the
eight
feet
of
from
the
building
face.
So
not
the
152
section,
the
the
the
changes
that
are
here
there's
the
325
section,
which
is
the
zoning
part
of
the
code
and
then
152
is
installations
within
the
right-of-way.
So
those
are
relative
to
what
goes
into
the
right-of-way,
not
necessarily
about
zoning,
and
then
the
170
chapter
revision
is
just
to
memorialize
the
green
agreements
when
they're
using
city
property.
AB
So
but
I
do
think
it
still
makes
sense
to
have
if
there's,
if
there
is
feedback
about
those
that
table
and
152
and
folks
have
concerns
about
the
different.
Obviously
I
understand
the
eight
foot
is
is
should
be
changed
but
the,
but
as
far
as
the
other
different
street
street
street
escape
items.
If
there
are
changes
to
that,
that
would
be
helpful
to
know.
Y
AB
Well,
so
I
think
that
their
recommendation
was
in
a
zoning
and
it's
it's.
I
think
they
were
more
thinking
about
it,
as
a
zoning
setback
of
1500
is
what
I
was
hearing.
H
Y
Yeah
yeah
and
to
be
clear,
my
understanding
of.
J
Y
Campanelli's
advice
around,
that
is
that
we
can
set
a
larger
setback,
but
we
basically
do
need
a
relief
valve
so
to
speak.
That
says,
however,
if
there
is
a
significant
gap
in
coverage
and
there's
no
other
appropriate
means
of
addressing
that
gap,
then
that
1500
setback
would
get
shrunk
until
you
could
address
it.
V
Yeah
I
I
like
that
approach.
I
mean
we
definitely
want
to
provide
that
possibly
of
an
exemption,
but
I
think
setting
that
bar
high
is
is
a
good
idea
in
terms
of
you
know,
making
sure
that
it's
really
necessary
to
do
that.
I
think,
is
a
to
me.
It's
somewhat
reassuring
to
have
that
in
place.
Y
Well,
you
know
we
retain
again.
We
retain
mr
campanelli
to
advise
on
this
approach,
so
I'm
going
to
defer
to
his
advice
at
least
on
on
committee
floor
here.
If
we
want
to
hold
an
executive
session,
I'd
be
glad
to
discuss
any
additional
views
that
I
have.
I
I
think
the
two
things
that
we
can
say
objectively
right
now
on
committee
floor
are
that
mr
campanelli
tells
us
that
that
is
legally
defensible
and
that
verizon,
I
think
it's
fair
to
say,
tell
us.
Y
That's
probably
not,
would
you
agree
with
both
those
statements?
I
would.
A
Y
V
V
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
vote
on
it,
I
would
appreciate
having
mr
kaepernilly
there
just
in
case
to
answer
any
final
questions.
Yes,.
A
A
F
L
D
Your
work,
I
mean,
I
find
this
very
frustrating,
because
this
was
a
like
a
ministerial
thing
that
we've
now
blown
up
into
a
a
year-long
process
for,
in
my
opinion,
very
little
game.
But.
A
Okay,
so
we
have
an
another
discussion,
you,
as
you
know,
we
have
had
a
working
group,
that's
been
looking
at
the
potential
implementation
of
a
new
form
of
government
and
that
would
be
sort
of
one
as
a
manager
or
council
form
of
government.
We
now
actually
have
thanks
to
ari
and
the
team
and
the
attorney's
office.
Some
draft
legislation
for
what
this
would
look
like.
A
We
have
most
of
the
members
of
the
committee
are
here
this
evening
and
just
you
know,
as
a
quick
recap,
we
did
learn
that
back
when
several
changes
were
made
to
new
york
state
election
law
in
2019,
they
did
actually
change
the
date
for
the
filing
of
language
for
a
referendum,
which
obviously
impacted
our
process
to
be
able
to
get
this
on
for
a
referendum.
A
It
would
have
been
a
time
frame
in
which
I
think
we
were
all
uncomfortable
with
at
least
seeming
like
it
was
just
moving
a
little
bit
too
fast
without
an
opportunity
for
good
levels
of
input
and
a
thorough
review
of
what
the
legislation
is.
So
where
we
stand
now
is
we
have
the
draft
legislation?
We
did
not
put
it
on
tonight
as
a
vote,
and
we
just
wanted
you
to
see
the
direction
that
this
was
headed
in.
We
wanted
to
give
you
an
opportunity,
I
think,
in
the
interest
of
time.
A
A
Is
there
additional
information
that
you
need
before
we
sort
of
move
this
forward,
and
I
guess
I'll
guess
we'll
just
start
with
that
and
then
I'll
then
I'll
get
to
my
next
points
when
we
have
a
little
bit
of
a
quick
discussion
on
that
first,
so
any
initial
reactions
or
does
ari
or
any
of
the
other
committee
members
want
to
say
anything
before
we
just
hear
some
feedback
from
people
or
or
I'll.
Y
Just
say
very
thank
you
deb
I'll
just
say
very
briefly.
This
is,
of
course,
in
draft
form,
and
there
will
be
additional
polishing,
so
I'll
say
for,
for
my
purposes
at
least
the
most
useful
feedback
isn't
going
to
be
on
every
last
minutia
of
the
legislation.
A
A
I
say
I
think
we
just
want
to
know.
Are
we
going
in
the
right
direction?
Does
this
make
sense
to
you?
Are
there
things
that
we
need
to
be
thinking
about?
I
guess
I
can
give
you
a
a
little
bit
of
a
quick
summary
of
some
of
the
initial
conversation
from
from
the
committee.
A
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
we
talked
about
was
we
were
able
to
go
through
and
look
at
existing
language
right,
existing
language
that
talks
about
the
mayor
and
the
responsibilities
of
the
mayor
and
some
of
those
things
that
are
delineated
very
clearly,
but
what
this
sort
of
we
don't
know
what
we
don't
know
situation
is.
We
are
also
looking
for
feedback
on
what
are
some
things
that
maybe
we
need
to
add
in
that
might
not
exist
that
might
be
related
to
a
city
manager.
So
some
of
the
conversation
we
were
having
was
around.
A
More
specific
information
on,
let's
say,
feedback
or
evaluation
of
the
city
manager
or
what
would
be
the
process
for
hiring
and
removing
you
know
some
of
some
of
that
kind
of
language
right,
so
we
just
we've
been
really
sort
of
living
in
them
in
the
weeds
of
this.
So
I
guess
what
we're
asking
for
the
rest
of
you
from
is
you
know,
what's
missing?
Are
there
things
that
you're
concerned
about?
A
C
I
did
that,
so
you
could
say
that
is
this:
the
only
format
change
that
we
looked
at
are
there
other
other
possibilities,
perhaps
changing
the
role
of
of
the
mayor.
C
AC
AC
The
weakness
with
that
form
is
still
that
you're
most
likely
to
have
somebody
who
doesn't
have
professional
experience
running
a
large
organization
with
a
large
budget
with
many
departments
and
many
facilities,
and
we
thought
and
also
that
person
is
only
accountable
whenever
there's
an
election
every
four
years.
AC
W
AC
W
I'll
just
add
to
that
too,
that
george
another
option
within
that
would
be
to
recommend
the
council
manager
model
and
have
the
mayor
come
from
within
the
council.
So
an
analogy
to
that
would
be
the
way
that
the
county
legislature
works
right.
They
elect
their
their
leader
from
among
the
legislators.
A
A
So
if
we
were
to
just
increase
hours
and
formalize
it
as
a
full
time
and
increase
the
salary,
it
wouldn't
then
assist
with
the
overwhelming
workload
that
we're
sort
of
already
putting
on
this
one
person,
and
we
were
doing
this
analysis
based
on
now,
having
the
advantage
of
having
had
a
chief
of
staff
and
seeing
the
ability
to
sort
of
split
some
of
those
that
that
time
and
effort
we
we
just
felt
like
it
made
more
sense
to
clearly
delineate
who
our
chief
elected
official
was,
and
it
was
very
important
to
retain
a
mayor,
but
that
it
was
also
very
important
to
kind
of
clearly
delineate
what
some
of
those
administrative
pieces
were
and
put
that
on
this
professional
side.
A
C
AC
The
mayor
would
be
like
the
mayor
would
run
the
meetings
run.
The
common
council
meetings,
appoint
committees,
sort
of
make
sure
all
the
committees
are
running
smoothly,
be
sort
of
the
spiritual
head
of
the
city
like
when
there's
a
crisis
to
give
a
nice
speech,
do
some
ribbon
cuttings
and
also
serve
as
a
kind
of
a
funnel
of
communication
between
common
council
and
the
city
manager
and
city
staff.
AC
We
wouldn't
want
common
council
to
micromanage
city
staff,
well
any
more
than
we
do
now,
but
so
this,
the
mayor
as
as
is
the
case
now,
would
help
funnel
communication
between
the
city
manager
and
common
council.
A
A
We
have
done
very
well
with
our
current
mayor
in
terms
of
increasing
our
visibility
federally
and
at
the
state
level.
So
someone
who
has
capacity
to
serve
as
an
advocate
for
the
city
outside
of
the
city
that
would
still
be
a
significant
role
of
the
mayor,
someone
to
represent
the
city
someone
to
serve
as
a
liaison
between
community
organizations
and
partners.
A
Right,
I
don't
believe
we
are
suggesting
that
that
is
increased
to
a
full
time,
but
we
are
hoping
to
define
it
very
specifically
because
now
it
seems
sort
of
squishy
whether
or
not
is
it
muddy
gray
like?
Is
it
full
time?
Is
it
not
what's
really
the
the
purpose
we
will?
We
will
definitely
clean
that
up
if.
W
I
could
just
jump
in
there.
Sorry,
graham,
if
you
don't
mind,
because
it's
on
that
point,
the
you
know
the
the
mayor
does
many
of
the
things
we've
already
described
already,
it's
just
that
they
also
have
to
be
the
chief
administrative
officer
of
the
city
and
and
and
to
this
point,
the
the
mayor
under
this
new
structure
may
not
necessarily
have
more
time
to
do
those
things,
but
I
think
the
fact
that
they'll
have
more
focus
on
those
things
would
be
advantageous
to
the
city.
W
A
Right-
and
I
think
I
would
say
the
the
other
significant
difference
would
be-
the
city
manager
would
be
responsible
for
the
preparation
of
the
budget
when,
obviously
with
with
the
city
controller.
Whereas
now
that's
really
the
mayor
mayor's
responsibility,
it's
not
that
the
mayor
wouldn't
have
any
input,
but
that
would
be
more
a
function
of
the
administrative
side
rather
than
the
oral
side.
A
V
Yeah
so
actually
you've
answered
a
couple
of
my
questions.
One
of
them
was
about
how
the
committee
saw
the
the
time
commitment
and
this
new
model
for
for
the
mayor's
position,
and
so
it
would
be
interesting
to
get
more
sense
of
what
part-time
really
mean.
You
know
I
mean
in
terms
of
you
know
what
what
the
expectation
is.
V
You
know
not
earmarking,
but
you
know
I
mean
if
constituents
you
know
push
for
something,
or
there
are
certain
things
that
you
know
politically,
I
think
would
be
beneficial
to
have
in
the
in
these
budgets.
How
do
how
does
that
get
worked
out
in
terms
of
the
balance
right
now?
It's
the
mayor
kind
of
puts
those
in
there
and
then
we
argue
about
those
and
put
them
in
or
not
so
in
this
new
model,
how
does
the,
how
do
the
political
aspects
of
budget
making
it
get
get
incorporated
into
the
process.
A
Yeah,
I
don't
actually
see
the
budget
process
as
being
really
vastly
different
from
what
it
currently
is.
You
know
if
you're
looking
at
the
mayor
and
the
council
providing
guidance
and
input
and
feedback
in
terms
of
policy
and
priorities
and
fiscal
priorities
that
would
be
very
similar,
it
would
just
be.
A
The
real
mechanics
of
putting
the
budget
together
would
be,
would
really
be
more
on
the
city
manager
and
not
on
the
mayor,
really
it's
steve
in
the
controller's
office.
That
does
a
lot
of
those
pieces,
but
I
don't
see
this
as
a
as
a
major
shift.
It
is
again
similar
to
how
the
county
does
things.
The
person
who
is
ultimately
responsible
for
presenting
what
they
felt
was
the
fiscal
road
map
for
the
city
is
the
county
administrator
and,
in
our
circumstance
it's
the
mayor.
A
C
C
I
think
that
the
possibility
of
more
varied
membership
could
could
be
a
possibility
and,
and
the
other
thing-
and
maybe
this
is
too
much
detail,
but
if
we
have
a
city
manager,
I
wonder
about
the
need
for
an
administrator
of
public
safety
as
well
in
between
the
chief
of
police
and
the
city
manager.
A
A
The
second
piece
I'm,
I
can
give
you
my
personal
opinion,
but
we
have
certainly
not
done
any
analysis
on
the
committee
of
this
piece
is
that
I
don't
really
see
it
as
any
differently
than
we
have
a
superintendent
of
public
works
that
oversees
several
different
functions
of
public
works.
I
feel
like
the
depart.
A
The
head
of
the
department
of
public
safety,
whatever
it
is,
would
be
very
similar,
because
if
we're
talking
about
adding
different
functions
of
public
safety
underneath
one
broader
umbrella,
then
there
would
definitely
need
to
be
a
person
that
is
responsible
for
coordinating
all
of
those
pieces
under
that
same
moniker
of
public
safety.
So
I
that's
the
way
I
view
it
is
not
really
not
vastly
different
from
our
superintendent
of
public
works
that
we
currently
have.
But
again
there
is
a
lot
of
work
to
be
done
before
we
head
down
that
road.
A
I
do
not
see
it
as
duplicative.
I
think
these
are
very
distinctly
different
roles,
but
I'm
sure
we
will
have
that
level
of
discussion
when
when
we
start
doing
some
of
that
other
work-
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
wants
to
chime
in
on
that.
C
A
X
A
Was
there
would
be
armed,
there
would
be
unarmed,
there
would
be
mental
health.
There
would
be
various
kinds
of
responses
underneath
public
safety,
so
in
my
brain
I'm
envisioning
it
functioning
similarly
to
our
to
a
public
works,
but
that
task
force
has
yet
to
do
that
work.
So,
but
my
crystal
ball
is
telling
me
that
it
it.
AC
George
made
an
interesting
point
about
broadening
this
scope
of
people
who
are
responsible
for
nominating
people
to
committees.
I
think
we
can
talk
about
that
later
I
mean,
maybe
we
should
start
soliciting
nominations
from
throughout
council
for
various
committees,
but
I
I
that's
a
little
tangential
to
what
we're
talking
about,
but
I
think
it's
an
interesting
idea.
A
No,
it's
definitely
related
to
our
conversation,
because
we
are
going
to
be
talking
about
what
what
what
then
remains
of
what
we
currently
call
the
mayor's
office.
What
does
that
staffing
look
like
and
what
are
the
functions
of
that
office?
Currently
now?
Appointments
to
boards
and
committees
and
commissions
are
run
through
the
mayor's
office.
A
So
we
should
take
a
look
at
that
as
part
of
this
process,
because
we
also
at
some
point
we'll
be
needing
to
think
about
the
transition
to
a
city
manager's
office,
and
what
does
that
look
like
and
what
are
those
staffing
needs?
So
it's
definitely
a
part
of
this
process
that
we
we
need
to
consider
that
as
well.
D
I'd
be
concerned
about
so
I
mean
doing
that
would
again
so
dilute
the
power
of
the
mayor.
That
there'd
be
less
distinction
between
between
us
and
the
mayor
and
the
attractiveness
of
having
the
office,
and
I
mean
I
guess
it
would
be
a
in
that
large
seat
of
council
which
isn't
a
bad
thing
since
it's
something
we've
talked
about
before,
but
I've
already
gotten
some
complaints
that
that
this,
I
don't
agree
with
them.
D
But
it's
a
sentiment
that
that,
by
diluting
the
power
of
the
mayor
we
are,
you
know,
enacting
a
power
grab
or
taking
away
some
accountability
from
the
people
from
the
mayor
and
thus
the
accountability
to
the
the
voters.
And
but
that
goes
into
a
question
I
had
is
so
under.
The
counter
argument
to
that
is
that
council
can
fire
the
city
manager
at
any
time
so
curious.
D
If
we've
thought
about
what
that
process
looks
like,
and
if
someone
mentioned
redundancy
speaking
of
redundancy,
so
at
the
county
level
they
have
two
deputies,
and
so,
when
jason
molino
resigned,
one
of
the
deputies
was
able
to
step
in
and
take
over
those
duties.
And
do
we
have
a
similar
backup
plan
in
between
administrators.
A
Right
so
I'll
try
to
answer.
I
can
answer
the
the
second
one.
First,
no,
we
don't,
but
we
do
assume
that
at
some
point
we
will
need
to
have
discussions
like
budget
related
discussions
as
we
build
to
this
transition.
You
know
what
does
the
staffing
look
like
for
a
city
manager's
office
and
then
obviously
we
would
have
to
take
a
look
at
what
are
the
needs
of
the
staffing
in
the
mayor's
office.
A
So
we
know
that
that's
something
that
we
do
need
to
look
at
we're
just
not
at
that
place
with
it
yet
and
then,
in
response
to
the
other
one
we
we
haven't
sort
of
designed
what
the
process
for
removal
or
evaluation
of
a
city
manager
is,
but
we
know
that
we
need
to
build
that
build
those
pieces,
and
so
that's
definitely
something
we're
looking
for
feedback
from
all
of
council
on
is.
Is
you
know?
What
would
that
look
like
I
understand.
A
The
notion
of
it,
seeming
like
the
public
is
sort
of
loot
is,
is
becoming
more
separated
from,
let's
say
the
chief
officer
of
the
city,
but
in
a
way
it's
sort
of
balancing
the
power
of
council
out.
Everybody
still
elects
all
the
council
mayor
members.
V
So
deb
on
that
point
of
hopefully
this
doesn't
happen
too
frequently,
but
removal
of
the
city
manager-
I
mean
council
doesn't
typically
do
that
for
department,
heads
and-
and
I
don't
know
about
other
organizations,
but
maybe
shelley
can
address
that
I
mean.
Obviously
this
person
is
a
member
of
the
civil
service.
We
would
have.
They
wouldn't
be
a
member
of
the
suicide
okay.
So
not.
A
Civil
service,
the
and
this
would
be
unique
right
so
like
now
the
way,
actually
I'm
stepping
on
shelley's
tellership
shelly,
wants
to
answer
that
first.
Second,
so
it
wouldn't
be
civil
service,
and
so
we
have
these
at
will.
Positions
now
which
are
sort
of
a
city
attorney
as
it
will
chief
of
staff
is
at
will
and
the
mayor's
assistant
is
at
will.
A
I
don't
know
that
there
are
formalized
removal
processes
for
any
of
those
at
will
positions
right
now,
it's
at
will
it's
if
the
mayor
doesn't
want
you
here
anymore.
The
mayor
says:
I
don't
want
you
here
anymore
and
then
you're,
not
there
anymore,
that's
as
simple
as
that
for
at
will.
A
So
I
think
we
definitely
know
that
this
would
be
a
new
area,
a
new
kind
of
appointment
for
the
city,
so
we
are
going
to
need
to
put
parameters
and
criteria
around
the
selection
process,
the
evaluation
process
and
the
firing
process
for
this
person,
because
it
will
be
the
collective
body
of
the
council
led
by
the
mayor
that
makes
the
decision
on
hiring
and
firing
and
evaluating
a
city
manager,
so
it's
kind
of
new
territory.
For
us.
We
just
don't
have
those
pieces
yet.
V
A
V
A
C
So
very
quickly,
would
this
rearrangement
make
the
city
attorney's
office
different?
Would
it
no
longer
be
at
will.
A
Y
That's
the
version
that
is
in
this
legislation.
That's
right,
yep,
thank
you,
so
it
would
still
be
at
will
but
reporting
to
the
city
manager.
So
at
who's
will
the
city
manager
as
well.
A
What
else
it
is
9
11
and
I'm
conscious
of
our
lengthy
discussions,
and
we
still
do
have
a
quick
conversation
with
steve
about
the
budget
process.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
all
of
the
members
of
the
committee:
do
we
feel
like
this
was
productive
and
do
we
know
what
we
need
to
do
next
in
order
to
move
some
of
this
forward
and
then
do
we
have
enough
information
that
we
think
we
want
to
start
to
organize
some
dates
around
some
public
information
sessions
on
this.
W
Yeah,
I
would
agree
yeah.
A
Okay,
so
we'll
clean
this
up,
take
your
feedback,
put
some
more
detail
into
some
of
the
questions
that
you
have
and
and
move
this
along.
Okay,
great!
Thank
you!
Thank
you!
So
much.
This
has
been
sort
of
a
an
ongoing
thing.
We've
been
talking
about
for
a
while
and
it's
it's
nice
to
see
some
of
these
pieces
coming
together
and
thanks
for
your
thoughtful
feedback,
I
think
it's
very
helpful.
A
So,
very
quickly,
I
have
been
getting
various
questions
from
the
public
and
others
as
to.
I
think
many
of
you
have
seen.
The
county
has
started
this
process
for
public
feedback
and
to
how
to
use
some
of
the
federal
funds
that
came
in,
and
so
it
kind
of
prompted
me
to
ask
steve
if
we
need
needed
to
have
a
preliminary
conversation
about
the
budget
process.
And
was
there
any
updates
or
information
that
he
wanted
to
give
this
committee
and
are
there
any?
A
H
A
Turn
it
over
to
steve,
we
don't
have
to
spend
more
than
five
minutes
on
this.
I
just
wanted
to
a
here
if
anybody
else
was
hearing
those
kinds
of
questions
and
if
steve
had
any
sort
of
mini
roadmap
for
how
we
might
be
handling
that
right
now
and
and
then
let
us
know
what
we
can
do
to
help
you.
Z
Sure
so
we
obviously
have
already
received
half
of
our
money
from
the
american
rescue
plan,
and
so
in
total
we've
we
have
a
total
funding
for
this
stimulus
money
of
over
16
million
dollars,
16
million
92
000
half
of
it
has
already
come
to
us.
The
other
half
will
come
to
us
next
year.
Z
Z
So
it's
important
that
we
take
our
time
to
to
really
analyze
what
we
can
use
the
money
for
and
then
make
wise
choices
on
the
investment
of
that
money
in
the
future
to
help
out
the
city
as
we
move
forward.
So
it's
important
to
just
basically
be
patient
and
take
our
time
on
this.
Z
We
are
planning
to
start
out
with
using
the
capital
review
committee
to
help
us
start
to
look
at.
You
know
what
we
can
use
the
funds
for
and
what
we
might
want
to
use.
The
funds
on
obviously
16
million
dollars
is
a
lot
of
money,
but
if
you
start
to
look
at
it
and
the
needs
that
face
us
in
the
future,
especially
in
infrastructure,
it
won't
go
very
far.
So
it's
a
lot
of
money,
but
it
doesn't.
Z
It
won't
go
very
far,
but
one
of
the
pieces
pieces
in
the
guidelines
that
we
can
use
the
money
on
is
to
basically
fill
in
revenue
loss
that
we
had
over
the
last
year.
So
you
take
take
2019
compared
to
2020
and
basically
any
revenue
loss
there
is
is
considered
to
be
related
to
covid,
so
we'll
be
able
to
make
we're
currently
working
on
that
calculation.
Z
We'll
have
that
calculation
done,
probably
within
a
few
weeks,
and
once
we
have
that
we
can
say
so
much
of
the
money
can
go
towards
filling
in
the
gap
of
the
revenue
loss
that
we
have.
Obviously,
we
saw
a
huge
revenue,
revenue
loss
in
sales
tax
and
also
in
parking,
and
then
a
number
of
other
areas
were
able
to
use
that
money
and,
in
addition,
the
money
is
very
restrictive.
Z
However,
the
most
flexibility
that
we
will
have
is
in
this
one
bucket
of
revenue
loss,
so
we're
able
to
figure
out
the
revenue
loss
and
then
go
from
there
and
and
spend
the
money
in
a
little
different
way
than
we
have
to
spend
the
rest
of
the
money.
In
addition,
that
revenue
loss
isn't
just
for
2020
it's
for
2021
and
2022,
because
revenue
loss
continues
as
we
move
through
21
and
I'm
sure
into
22.
Z
It'll
still
be
some
revenue
loss
as
it
relates
to
impacts
of
covid,
so
so,
basically,
for
for
the
american
recovery
plan,
act
funds,
that's
kind
of
where
we're
starting
from
now
deb.
You
did
mention
that
the
county
has
put
out
a
kind
of
let
the
community
decide,
or
at
least
assist
in.
You
know
how
to
spend
the
money
we
can
do
that
if
you'd
like.
I
I'm
not
sure
that
that's
something
I
mean.
Obviously
we
know
we
know
what
faces
us
as
far
as
infrastructure
improvements.
The
money
is
restrictive.
Z
Z
We
can't
fund
pension
increases
for
employees
unless
it's
just
regular
payroll
payments
related
to
you
know,
hiring
staff
that
we
lost
during
during
covert
so
again
restricted
money,
and
we
have
to
be
careful
on
how
we
spend
it
for
the
future,
so
it
it
makes
sense
for
us
to
take
our
time.
We
have
time
we
don't
have
to
spend
it
till
20
the
end
of
2026
and
take
our
time
and
make
wise
investments
with
this
one-time
money
that
we
have.
Z
In
addition,
we
have
several
new
reporting
requirements
related
to
the
funds
that
will
start
fairly
soon.
In
fact,
I
have
a
webinar
tomorrow
that
will
go
into
details
where
the
department
of
treasury
is
going
to
walk
us
through
some
of
the
larger
pieces
of
the
reporting.
That's
required
with
this
funds
and
if
you
use
the
funds
inappropriately
you'll
have
to
you
have
to
re,
you
have
to
give
the
money
back
basically
to
the
department
of
treasury.
So
again,
wise
choices.
Z
Take
our
time,
be
patient
with
the
money.
In
addition,
of
course,
we
have
our
budget
just
our
regular
budget,
2022
budget.
We
have
just
a
quick
update
there.
Capital
projects
are
being
submitted.
We
should
have
those
fully
submitted
here
soon
and
then
we'll
start
talking
about
those.
The
guidelines
for
2022
budgets
are
currently
being
developed,
we'll
have
those
out
in
in
a
week
or
two.
Z
We
will
also
get
our
assessment
number
for
next
year
mid
next
week,
so
that
will
be
helpful.
So
a
lot
of
data
is
starting
to
flow
in
to
our
2022
budget
and,
of
course,
many
new
challenges
with
the
22
budget.
Obviously
our
recovery
from
covet
continues.
It's
going
to
take
time.
Z
We
can't
just
jump
from
where
we
were
in
2019
to
where
we
might
be
in
2022.
We
could
again,
we
have
to
take
our
time.
You
know
that
we're
having
issues
and
not
just
us
but
everywhere,
with
finding
finding
staffing,
hiring
staff,
there's
staff
shortages,
all
over
material
shortages,
so
supplying
demands
difficult.
At
this
point
in
time,
inflation
is
starting
to
jump
in
the
last
couple
months.
Inflation's
really
jumped.
Z
I
think
the
last
cpi
for
the
last
for
for
may
was
at
five
percent,
which
is
not
very
high
compared
to
what
has
been
for
several
years.
Z
We
have
the
conference
center
work
that
we'll
be
starting
and
then
we'll
have
to
start
to
incorporate
that
into
our
budgets
for
the
future,
in
addition
to
public
safety
activity.
So
we
have
a
lot
going
on.
Oh
also,
we
have
lots
of
labor
activity,
so
we
have.
You
know
labor
contracts,
new
labor
contracts
facing
us
coming
up
in
the
near
future,
so
we
also
have
you
know,
I
think,
a
lot
of
transition
from
senior
staff
members
over
the
next
three
years.
Z
So
you
throw
that
all
in.
In
addition
to
the
into
the
stimulus
money,
it's
we
got
a
a
larger,
more
complicated
pot
to
to
work
with,
but
it's
a
lot
of
challenges
still
still
face
us.
So
that's
kind
of
where
we
are
at
this
point
I'll.
Certainly
if
you
have
questions
I'll
try
to
entertain
those.
Y
A
A
good
news
my
dog
is
crying
behind
me.
No,
I
the
only
thing
that
I
really
wanted
to
ask
this
group
is.
We
have
typically
set
aside
some
wednesdays
in
the
summer
for
special
topics.
A
We
have
not
scheduled
one
of
those
as
of
yet.
I
guess
I
just
wanted
to
ask
steve.
Are
you
kind
of
feeling
like
there
is
a
special
topic?
That
would
be
helpful,
or
might
we
want
to
just
use
september
as
capital
projects
and
american
rescue
I
mean
I
don't
know
like.
Maybe
that
september
meeting
can
be
all
right.
Here's
our
here's,
our
plan.
A
I
don't
know
that
we
have
any
specific
sort
of
big
ticket
things
we
want
to
discuss
because,
as
you
said,
there
are
so
many
moving
parts
to
this
budget
coming
up.
I
don't
know
if
anybody
else
was
anticipating
we're
really
hoping
to
have
some
extra
budget
meetings
over
the
summer.
You
gotta,
let
us
know
now,
so
we
can
get
them,
get
them
on
the
books,
but.
Z
Yeah,
well
I
mean
certainly
you
you'll
want
to
talk
about
capital
projects
and
related
to
that
would
be
the
you
know
the
american
rescue
plan
act
fund,
so
I
think
that
definitely
could
be
a
combination.
Meeting
and
probably
september
is
the
or
maybe
the
end
of
august,
we'll
see,
but
right
around
that
time
would
be
a
good
time
for
that.
Maybe
the
end
of
august
sounds
like
the
right
time,
if
possible,.
E
V
Yeah,
so
thank
you
stevie.
I
certainly
don't
want
extra
meetings.
On
the
other
hand,
I'm
curious
about
the
county
seeking
input,
because
we
don't
want
to
be
accused
of
not
seeking
input,
but
you
just
listed
a
whole
range
of
restrictions
for
this
use
of
this
american
recovery
act,
and
my
concern
is,
you
know
if
we
do
open
up
to
a
broader
input
that
they
won't
be
aware
of
those
kind
of
restrictions
on
what
the
money
can
be
used
for.
So
we
have
all
these
great
ideas
and
there'll
just
be
frustration.
V
So
I'm
guess
I'm
wondering
how
the
county
is
handling
that
because
I
feel
like
we
should
definitely
be
considering
you
know
just
more
than
capital
projects.
As
you
say,
we
want
to
invest
this
wisely.
We've
got
a
lot
of
things
that
we
haven't
been
able
to
do
because
of
the
lack
of
funding.
You
know
in
terms
of
city
facilities
and
stuff,
like
that,
so
I
I'm
just
curious
about
how
the
county
is
is
handling
that
because
it
could
lead
to
a
lot
of
frustration.
I
guess
and
that's
that
would.
Z
Yeah
I
mean
we
can
check
in
with
the
county
to
see
how
they're
handling
that
I
mean.
The
important
thing
is
here
to
note
is
that
we
get?
We
can't
just
go,
spend
this
money
like
for
anything
I
mean.
So
that's,
that's.
What's
super
important
and
it's
one
time
money,
so
it
does
it's
not
like
it's
going
to
be
here
forever
and
ever
eventually
we
won't
have
16
million
dollars
and
so
that,
if
you
don't
spend
correctly,
you
could
get
yourself
in
some
big
trouble
in
the
future.
Z
Z
Z
We
can
help
speed
the
recovery
to
impacted
industries
such
as
tourism,
travel
and
hospitality
sectors.
We
also
are
allowed
to
use
the
funds
to
provide
premium
pay
for
essential
workers
with
a
priority
to
the
lower
income
workers
and
we
can
improve
broadband
access.
So
those
are
some
of
the
things
we
can
use
the
funds
for,
and
I
mentioned
obviously
what
we
can't
use
the
funds
for.
So
we
just
again,
you
know
we
certainly
can
get
input
from
others
other
than
you
know,
council
and
and
staff.
We
can.
Z
A
We
did
do
an
incredibly
unscientific
survey
previously
with
the
budget,
where
I
believe
we
got
at
least
we
were
able
to
kind
of
take
the
temperature
from
the
public.
You
know
we
could
dust
that
off
and
look
at
it
again.
Once
the
you
know,
the
capital
project
lists
are
out.
We
have
more
information
about
what
our
actual
you
know.
Complete
picture
of
2020
loss
revenue
looks
like
what
2021
might
potentially
look
like.
A
We
could
certainly
put
another
sort
of
educational
summary
together
of
the
budget
put
that
out
and
as
a
companion
to
that
information
piece
we
could.
We
could
do
another
survey,
but
maybe
we
wait
to
think
about
doing
that
until
steve
feels
he
has
a
more
complete
picture
of
what
exactly
we're
looking
at
in
terms
of
the
financial
forecast.
So
we
could,
if,
if
we
wanted
to
collect
some
form
of
input,
I
feel
like
we
could
be
more
targeted
about
the
input
that
we
collect
and
have
it
be
related
to
helping
us.
A
A
All
right
anything
else
before
we
adjourn
anything
that
I
am
missing
or
has
dropped
off
the
radar
so
ducks,
and
do
you
want
the
student
loan
thing
to
come
back
next
month
or
two
months
or
what
do
you
want
to
do
with
that?.
Y
Oh,
thank
you.
Yeah,
I'm
just
a
flag,
I'm
guessing
ca
is
the
right
body
to
start
thinking
about
what
in
person
meetings
might
look
like
if
they
need
to
be
held
as
the
state
of
emergency
is
ending
in
new
york,
and
given
that,
as
you
may
be
aware,
the
bill
that
had
been
put
in
front
of
the
state
legislature
that
would
have
permitted
us
to
continue
virtual
meetings
in
this
format
even
after
the
pandemic
ended
that
build.
Y
I
think
there
was
a
lot
of
interest
in
it,
but
it
did
not
pass
in
the
last
legislative
session
and
there's
basically
another
seven
months
before
it
might
pass
in
the
future.
So
it
seems
reasonably
likely,
though
we
can
all
read
our
own.
Tea
leaves
that
we'll
find
ourselves
an
in-person
meeting
soon,
and
I
just
want
to
flag
that
to
the
committee
of
the
topic
that
you
may
want
to
start
thinking
about
what
that
looks.
Like.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it's
my
understanding
that
that
executive
order
ends
july
5.
Y
Yeah,
I'm
still
trying
to.
I
agree
with
you
that
the
the
last
order
expires
on
july
5
and
it
seems
likely
that
it
won't
be
extended.
Given
what
we've
now
heard
this
week,
but
I'm
not
positive
of
that
last
statement
and
that's
what
I'm
still
trying
to
learn
more
about,
but
yeah.
We
need
to
be
prepared
very
soon.
That's
right.
A
A
All
right:
well,
let
us
know
what
you
find
out.
We
can
flag
that
as
a
topic.
If
we
get
a
little
reprieve
or
we
will
see
you
all
in
person
in
july,
I
see
hands.
Are
you
adjourning
or
are
you
asking
questions
well.
W
I'm
not
just
going
to
give
a
heads
up
that
if,
if
we
were
required
to
meet
in
person,
I
won't
be
able
to
attend
the
ca
meeting
next
month.
A
W
V
X
V
I
had
a
question
so
what's
the
current
status
at
city
hall
are
people.
I
know
steve's
you've
been
there
for
a
long
time,
but
what
about
the
rest
of
staff.
E
Y
Yeah
yeah,
that's
pretty
much
right.
I'm
shelley
can
probably
speak
to
it
in
the
most
detailed,
but
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
it
or
others.
Can
my
separate
stuff
yeah
I
mean
the
the
short
version
is
at
this
point.
The
public
is
only
allowed
in
city
hall
by
appointment.
There's.
Definitely,
oh,
it
looks
like
shelley's
joining
us
I'll.
Let
her
speak.
Q
Yes,
at
this
point
there
it
is
by
appointment
only
so
we
had
continued
that
I
guess
we
will
have
to
go
back
to
the
drawing
board.
V
And
what
about
staff
I
mean
so
I
mean
we've
been
rob
mentioned
this
earlier.
I've
certainly
been
working
on
the
kind
of
hybrid
work
arrangements
and
stuff
like
that
is.
Is
that
something
the
city
is
working
on
currently
shelley
or
or
what's
the
story
with
that.
Q
We
do
have
a
telework
policy
that
we
put
in
place
during
the
pandemic,
so
there
is
an
opportunity
for
employees
to
do
telework.
Of
course,
there
are
all
kind
of
conditions
that
go
along
with
that
and
it's
ultimately
up
to
the
department
head,
but
it
that
that
is
an
option
that
would
be
available.
Okay,.