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From YouTube: April 28, 2021 City Administration Committee Meeting
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A
Okay,
all
right,
I
think
we
are-
are
all
set.
Thank
you,
dan,
we'll
call
our
city
administration
meeting
for
april
to
order
just
a
quick
agenda
review.
A
Some
of
you
may
have
noticed
that
there
was
sort
of
a
blank
space
where
we
were
expecting
some
sjc
resolutions.
We
do
have
them.
They
were
just
sent
out
recently
and
the
agenda
that
is
posted
to
the
city.
The
link
for
city
administration
committee
on
the
website
has
been
updated
to
include
those
so
just
to
let
everybody
know
we
don't
it's
not
really
a
modification
to
the
agenda,
but
we
do
have
the
language
for
those
resolutions
now
and
that's
also
now
posted.
A
So
when
we
get
to
those
you'll
you'll
see
that
other
than
that,
I
don't
have
any
additional
changes
to
the
agenda.
Does
anyone
else.
A
B
Okay,
so
we
had.
C
Four
people
sign
up
we're
trying
something
a
little
different
this
month
and
we
are
allowing
people
to
sort
of
bid
on
how
much
time
they
need
and
the
people
who
bid
the
less
amount
of
time
get
to
go
first
and
then
the
people
who
need
more
time
go
at
the
end.
So
we
had
one
person
who
who
said
they
needed
two
minutes:
that's
jerome
gallano!
So
I'm
going
to
promote
him
and
then
after
jerome
we
will
hear
from
arena.
D
Hi,
so
this
is
regarding
the
campanella
report
that
came
out
and
regarding
canton
reports,
recommendations
to
the
city
code
and
design
guidelines
a
lot
of
recommendations
in
there,
but
I
see
that
three
of
the
four
things
that
the
ca,
the
city
administration
committee
you
all
had
asked
for
back
in
august,
2020
meeting
did
not
make
it
into
the
report,
not
not
necessarily
that
that
was
his
objective.
D
But
I
just
wanted
to
remind
the
city
administration
that
there
were
these
four
items
that
you
all
requested
and
that
joanne
has
stated
that
would
be
included.
So
I'm
not
sure
if
these
campaign
recommendations
were
for
updating
the
city
code
among
the
design
guidelines
or
both,
but
regardless.
I
would
hope
that
the
four
things
you
had
requested
would
be
added,
along
with
the
recommendations
from
the
campanella
report,
and
I
I
sent
this
to
you
all-
was
back
in
december,
showing
you
which,
which
items
they
were.
D
D
B
Okay,
thank
you
jerome,
so
next
will
be
urina
or
I
write
arena
and
after
that
will
be
marie
molnar.
E
E
They
often
lie
on
their
applications,
assuming
that
there's
little
oversight
from
cities
and
that's
why
we
need
campanelli's
suggestion
that
the
fcc
compliance
reports
specify
the
radiation
calculations,
the
radiation
calculations
accurately,
and
this
information
must
be
provided
under
oath
and
as
jerome
was
mentioning
some
topics
that
were
not
in
campanelli's
report
that
I
asked
the
city
to
to
consider.
Adding
one
is
insurance.
E
Ithaca
should
require
general
liability
insurance
without
a
pollution
exclusion
as
part
of
any
licensing
agreement,
and
I
believe
that
someone
has
raised
this
issue
at
a
previous
ca
meeting
and
on
the
question
of
insurance.
The
insured
needs
to
be
the
telecom
company,
not
the
siting,
company
and
the
insurer
cannot
be
essentially
a
shell
company
of
the
telecom
company
and
then
a
second
topic
not
mentioned
in
the
campanelli
report
is
accountability.
E
I
suggest
that
that
each
city
code
specify
precisely
who
is
in
charge
of
overseeing
the
process
and
who
makes
the
final
decisions
instead
of
just
saying
the
city
or
city
staff.
I
think
it's
important
to
specify
something
concrete
like
city
planner,
who
exactly
is,
is
the
clear
line
of
authority.
E
So
I
ask
you
to
include
these
ideas
and
adopt
also
adopt
kemp
and
ellie's
ideas
from
the
local
zoning
determinations
section
of
his
report.
This
discussion
of
our
codes
and
regulations
is
very
important
and
you
are
the
gatekeepers
and
the
ones
responsible
for
public
well-being.
So
I
thank
you
so
much.
F
G
H
Thank
you.
I
also
can
you
hear
me.
I
H
Okay,
I
also
wanted
to
comment
on
the
campanella
report.
I
also
read
through
all
of
it.
It
was
quite
long.
Thank
you
all
for
going
through
that
as
well.
For
me,
by
far
the
most
important
piece
is
his
detailed
discussion
on
the
the
gap
in
service
coverage.
I
do
believe
that
this
is
sort
of
a
linchpin
in
this
whole
discussion.
Specifically,
I
was
glad
that
he
clarified
that
gap
in
coverage
did
not
refer
to
future
coverage
or
limited
or
improving
coverage,
but
rather
dropped
calls.
H
So
he
was
very
specific
in
his
discussion,
and
I
was
also
glad
that
he
detailed
the
kind
of
real
world
tests
that
do
prove
any
actual
gaps
in
coverage,
while
addressing
some
of
the
typical
industry
loopholes
that
we
could
close
around
that.
So
I
was
really
thankful
to
see
all
that.
For
me,
this
is
by
far
the
most
logical
piece
of
the
whole
the
whole
argument.
H
All
of
the
reasons
that
we've
laid
out
limiting
this
densification
and
of
antennas
in
our
downtown
areas
or
in
the
whole
region
just
to
me,
seems
to
make
common
sense.
As
others
have
noticed.
There
were
a
couple
pieces
that
I
had
heard
in
previous
discussions
and
things
that
we've
brought
up
that
were
not
in
the
report.
I
don't
know
what
kenponelli
was
exactly
charged
with,
but
the
one
that
I
want
to
highlight
is
there
was
no
real
discussion
of
setback
values
in
there.
H
But
I
do
encourage
this
committee
to
look
closely
at
that,
not
only
because
you're
looking
at
codes
for
the
kind
of
configuration
that
verizon
is
suggesting,
but
also
for
any
future
systems,
different
kinds
of
systems
that
we're
not
thinking
about,
for
instance,
private
individuals
getting
installing
transmitting
antennas
on
their
residences,
and
for
this
reason
I
think
that
we
would
do
well
to
have
a
minimum
distance
not
of
eight
feet
but
actually
of
what
the
experts
suggest
is
sixteen
hundred
feet
between
antennas
and
homes
and
schools
and
things.
H
B
All
right,
thank
you
marie
so
last
speaker
is
andrew
molnar.
J
Thank
you.
Well,
it's
been
a
good
few
months
for
the
millions
of
us
around
the
country
and
hundreds
of
ithacans
resisting
the
telecom
giants
with
5g,
as
we've
shared
with
you.
New
hampshire
became
the
first
state
to
officially
study
this
issue,
and
their
groundbreaking
report
echoes
almost
all
the
things
we've
shared
with
you.
The
many
concerns
about
5g.
J
I
and
those
in
our
coalition,
including
some
of
you
for
tonight,
are
heartened
by
the
report.
The
committee
just
received
from
attorney
andrew
capanelli,
who
to
remind
you,
is
nationally
known
as
one
of
the
top
experts
with
cell
towers
in
the
law.
J
He
also
reiterated
that
the
fcc
has
no
regulatory
oversight
over
these
towers
at
all.
That's
up
to
us
as
a
town,
and
perhaps
most
importantly,
as
you
already
heard
tonight,
he
drove
home
the
point
that
we
should
make
sure
companies
prove
a
significant
gap
in
coverage
through
real
world
tests
like
drive
tests
and
drop
call
tests.
J
Experts
recommend
a
clause
in
any
contract
with
the
company
that
voids
the
contract
in
the
event
of
a
regulatory
or
law
change
and
second,
as
already
has
been
said,
accountability,
we
strongly
recommend
that
each
code
specif
specifies
who
is
in
charge
of
the
process
and
who
makes
a
final
decision.
J
For
example,
the
city
planner
also-
and
this
hasn't
been
said-
yet
we
think
it's
best
for
this-
to
be
a
shared
function
with
the
council,
so
the
council
has
oversight
for
such
impactful
decisions,
but
all
in
all,
this
is
really
an
excellent
report
from
capinelli
and
I
joined
members
of
our
coalition
and
hope
that
you'll
adopt
all
of
his
recommendations,
plus
the
few
others
that
we've
mentioned
tonight.
Thank
you
all
for
your
attention
to
this
very
complex
subject.
A
A
We
need
to
compile
any
additional
questions
that
we
have
for
mr
campanelli,
and
it
is
our
intent
to
invite
him
to
our
may
city
administration
committee
meeting,
so
we
can
have
a
discussion
with
him
so
just
to
let
everyone
know
so
just
this
evening.
Really
all
we're
doing
is
hearing
from
council
members
and
making
sure
that
we
are
able
to
communicate
back
any
questions
or
clarification.
A
We
want
from
that
so
and-
and
ari
will
be
here
to
help
us
with
that
with
that
piece
of
our
agenda.
So
I
will
then
open
the
floor.
If
any
other
council
members
want
to
respond.
K
I'm
just
gonna
say
I'm
assuming
that
you
want
me
to
save
any
comments
that
I
have
for
the
committee
until
we
get
to
that
item
as
opposed
to
any
responses.
K
A
I
see,
graham
second,
invite
ducks
in
all
those
in
favor
and
that's
unanimous.
Thank
you.
So
now
we
have
a
a
a
series
of
voting
items
here.
So
if
those
of
you
that
are
reading
items
can
do
your
best
to
do
the
fast
short
speed,
read
version
that
would
be
great
and
so
I'll
ask
if
there
is
anyone
that
wants
to
move
3.1
or
community
housing
development
fund
demo.
L
So
scroll
to
it,
okay,
whereas
the
community
housing
development
fund
was
established
in
2009
and
ruled
in
2015,
by
an
mou
among
and
between
the
city
of
ithaca,
thompson's,
county
and
quinoa
university,
to
raise
award
funds
to
increase
the
supply
of
permanently
affordable
housing
in
the
county,
whereas
cornell
has
contributed
to
300
000
and
the
city
of
victoria.
On
top
of
this
county
reached
between
two
hundred
thousand,
that
city
contribution
should
be
slowly
used
to
assist
projects
located
within.
L
To
say
that
the
brand
oversight
committee
includes
three
city
appointees,
which
me
chris
prue
and
george
mcgonagall
and
seth
murtagh
are
members.
I
will,
whereas
the
poc
recommends
the
following:
affordable
housing
projects
for
funding
founders,
way
in
the
city
of
ithaca
village,
apartments
in
trumansburg
and
carpenter
park
apartments
in
the
city
of
the
let's
get
to
the
results.
E
E
L
Ambient
further
resolved
that
240
thousand
dollars
be
appropriate
from
the
current
balance
in
the
housing
fund
of
422
200
to
fund
the
240
000
city
portion
of
the
city,
county
cornell,
housing,
trust
for
the
above
listed
project
and
being
further
resolved.
At
the
mayor
subject
to
advice,
the
city
attorney
is
hereby
authorized
to
execute
a
physical
agency
agreement
with
thompson's
county
to
implement
this
resolution.
M
A
N
L
I'll
know
too
that
if
you
find
it
weird
that
you
know
the
allocation
is
weird,
we
often
do
it
this
way
to
minimize
the
amount
of
work
for
county
staff,
and
so
even
though
carpenter
park
aka,
whatever
it's
called
now,
are
both
in
the
city,
as
you
might
think,
we
just
split
the
contribution.
A
O
Nels,
can
you
remind
me
why
we
can
put
240
000
towards
this
project
instead
of
200
000?
Is
it
leftover
money.
M
Yes,
that's
correct
george
there's
money
remaining
from
a
prior
round
up
in
terms
of
the
fund
awards,
funds
for
low-income
housing,
tax
credit
projects
and
some
of
them
are
successful
in
the
first
year.
Some
of
them
take
have
to
come
back.
O
A
You
all
right
any
graham.
P
M
That's
correct:
there
is
an
annual
appropriation
in
most
years
of
a
hundred
thousand
from
the
city
and
the
and
the
county,
and
a
two
hundred
thousand
dollar
contribution
from
cornell.
In
the
last
two
years.
The
partners
have
increased
their
contribution
by
a
hundred
thousand,
so
in
the
in
the
in
a
prior
version
of
the
meeting
packet,
there
was
the
full
list
of
projects
had
been
funded
and
at
the
very
bottom
of
it,
is
a
running
total
of
the
remaining
amount
of
funds
available
to
be
allocated.
A
A
P
Oh,
thank
you.
That's
a
great
option
deb.
So
this
is
a
third
mou
with
tompkins
county
and
cornell
university
to
continue
the
community
housing
development
fund
through
to
2027.
This
is
just
a
declaration
of
lead
agency
resolved
that
common
council.
The
city
of
ethica
does
hereby
declare
itself
as
lead
agency
for
the
environmental
review
of
this
proposed
action,
and
I
so
move.
A
There,
a
second
rob
thank
you.
Do
we
need
discussion
or
questions
you're
ready
to
vote
on
this,
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously?
Thank
you.
You
just
want
to
do
the
next
one
also
just
the
result.
P
I'm
unmuted,
so
I
might
as
well.
This
is
third
mou
with
tompkins
county
at
cornell
university
continue
to
the
community
housing
development
fund
through
2027.
This
is
the
environmental
review
resolved
that
the
city
of
ithaca
common
council
hereby
determines
that
a
proposed
action
will
result
in
no
significant
impact
on
the
environment
and
that
a
negative
declaration
for
purposes
of
article
8
of
the
environmental
conservation
law
be
filed
in
accordance
with
the
provisions
of
part
617
of
the
state
environmental
quality
review
act.
An
iso
move.
A
P
Sure
be
happy
to
so.
This
is
the
same
title,
whereas
in
2009,
2015
common
council
authorized
the
mayor
to
execute
six-year
mousse
between
the
city,
the
county
and
cornell
university
for
the
community
housing
development
fund.
Since
its
its
inception
has
awarded.
P
The
fund
is
managed
by
program
oversight
committee,
currently
representatives
chris
prue
ducks
nguyen
seth
murtour
and
george
mcgonagall.
The
poc
recommends.
Approval
of
the
third
mou
they're
now,
therefore
be
resolved
that
the
mayor
is
hereby
authorized
subject
to
review
by
the
city
attorney
to
execute
the
third
memorandum
of
understanding
to
continue
the
community
housing
development
fund
program
through
2027
and
be
further
resolved
that
upon
execution
at
the
mou.
A
A
O
266
500
comes
from
new
york,
state
department
of
environmental
conservation
grant,
250
000
is
approved
by
the
2021
sidewalk
improvement
district
number
two
capital
project,
another
250
dollars
comes
from
chips,
reimbursement
and
finally,
33
and
a
half
thousand
dollars
comes
from
the
sidewalk
improvement
district
number
two's
fund
balance
and
be
further
resolved.
The
superintendent
of
public
works
of
the
city
of
ithaca
be
and
is
hereby
authorized
to
execute
all
necessary
agreements,
certifications
or
reimbursement
requests
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
ithaca.
O
In
connection
with
the
advancement
or
approval
of
the
project
and
providing
for
the
administration
of
the
project
and
the
municipalities,
first
instance,
funding
of
project
costs
and
permanent
funding
of
the
local
share
of
state
aid
and
state
aid,
eligible
project
costs
and
all
project
costs
within
appropriations.
Therefore,
that
are
not
so
eligible
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
this
project
be
undertaken
with
the
understanding
of
the
final
cost
of
the
project
to
the
city
of
ithaca.
O
General
funds
will
be
roughly
zero
percent
of
said
portion
currently
estimated
at
zero
dollars
of
the
eight
hundred
thousand
dollars
authorized
for
this
portion
of
the
project
in
monies
and
in-kind
services,
as
managed
by
the
public
superintendent
of
public
works
and
monitored
by
the
city
controller.
Iso.
A
R
This
is
a
yeah.
This
is
john.
S
Doesn't
really
make
us
too
nervous,
because
generally
we
get
reimbursed
pretty
quickly
from
some
of
these
sources.
So
as
long
as
as
long
as
those
reimbursements
come
in
timely,
we
should
be
fine
on
this
particular
project.
Yeah.
A
A
Q
Okay,
this
is
south
albany
street
bridge
project,
whereas
a
project
to
rehabilitate
for
the
rehabilitation
of
south
albany
street
bridge
over
six
mile
creek
project
number
three,
seven,
five,
that's
eight
is
eligible
for
funding.
Q
This
is
federal
funding
at
the
80
percent
and
twenty
percent
non-federal,
whereas
the
city
desires
to
advance
the
project
by
making
a
commitment
of
100
of
the
non-federal
share
of
the
costs
for
scoping
design,
scoping
preliminary
design
and
detail
design,
whereas
the
project
constitutes
a
reconstruction
of
the
facility
in
kind
and
will
as
well
as
maintenance
are
repaired.
Q
No
essential
change
in
the
existing
facility
is
therefore
a
type
2
action
under
the
regulations
there,
whereas
on
march
4th
2020
council
authorized
155
000
to
cover
the
cost,
whereas
in
february
2021
an
additional
210
000
of
project
funding
made
available
by
new
york
state
to
cover
the
cost.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
common
council,
here
by
authorizing
city
of
bethlehem,
to
pay
in
the
first,
it's
100
of
the
federal
and
non-federal
share
of
the
cost
of
the
detailed
design
thereof
and
be
it
further
resolved.
Q
The
common
council
hereby
amends
capital
project
879
by
an
amount
not
to
exceed
210
000
for
a
total
project.
Authorization
of
365
000
for
the
purpose
of
covering
the
cost
of
participation
in
the
above
phase
of
the
project
and
be
it
further
resolve
that,
in
the
event,
the
full
federal
non-federal
share,
costs
of
the
project
exceeds
the
amount
appropriated
above
the
common
council.
The
city
of
ithaca
shall
convene
as
soon
as
possible
to
appropriate
said.
Q
Excess
amount
immediately
upon
the
notification
by
the
new
york
state
department
of
transportation,
therefore
thereof,
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
funds
needed
for
said
project
shall
be
derived
from
the
issuance
of
serial
bonds
with
the
city's
estimate
share
of
the
project
cost
not
to
exceed
five
percent
or
eighteen
thousand
two
hundred
fifty
dollars
and
be
it
further
resolve
that
the
mayor
and
the
city
of
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
ithaca
that
the
mayor
of
the
city
of
ithaca,
of
the
county
of
tompkins
be
and
is
hereby
authorized
to
sign
all
necessary
agreements
with
new
york
state
department
of
transportation
to
secure
federal
aid
and
marshelly
aid.
Q
On
behalf
of
the
city
of
ithaca
and
the
superintendent
of
public
works
is
authorized
to
sign
all
necessary
construction
documents,
contract,
certifications
and
reimbursement
requests
and
be
a
further
resolve
that
the
superintendent
of
public
works
works,
be
and
is
hereby
authorized
to
administer
the
above
project
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
a
certified
copy
of
this
resolution
be
filed
with
new
york
state
commissioner
transportation
by
attaching
it
to
any
necessary
agreement
in
connection
with
the
project.
And
it
is
further
resolved
that
this
resolution
shall
take
effect
immediately.
A
Great,
is
there
a
second
graham
thank
you,
so
while
we've
been
doing
this
dan
and
I
have
been
trying
to
multitask
behind
the
scenes
here,
we
figured
out
that
what
happened
when
we
attempted
to
replace
the
agenda
that
is
posted
online
with
the
additional
language
for
the
sjc
somehow,
which
we
are,
it
is
unknown
to
us
all.
The
backup
documentation
was
not
included
on
the
online
revised
agenda,
so
I
think
dan
has
since
sent
around
another
version
of
the
agenda
that
has
the
backup
memo
in
it.
A
So
if
you
did
your
homework
and
read
your
agenda
packet
before
this
evening,
you
will
have
seen
that
dsu's
memo
mentioned
that
this
is
now
no
longer
a
repair.
This
is
a
replace
project
right,
so
you
can
go
ahead
and
and
give
us
a
little
bit
more
information
about
that.
And
then
we
can
ask
you
some
questions.
Okay,.
L
R
Can't
hear
you
you're
good,
okay,
so
yeah
those
are
two
separate
items,
but
I
I
wanted
to
just
use
this
opportunity
to
inform
you
guys
that
you
know
we
are
changing
the
project
scope
from
rehabilitation
project
to
replacement
projects
for
the
last
almost
a
year.
We
hired
the
consultant
to
do
the
preliminary
design
for
this
project
and
through
that
process
we
found
out
that
you
know
because
of
the
structured
capacity
issue
and
the
bridge
age
in
condition.
R
We
can
not
longer,
you
know,
have
a
rehabilitation
project,
so
we
have
to
switch
and
upgrade
the
product
scope
to
full
replacement,
and
with
that
you
know,
I
want
to
just
to
give
you
a
heads
up
that
the
construction
budget
for
this
project
is
increased
significantly
by
a
million
dollar
for
one
option
in
more
than
a
million
dollars
for
the
other.
So
our
plan
is
we're
gonna
pursue.
R
You
know,
option
other
option,
you
know
escaping
federal
aids,
but
I
want
to
just
do
you
just
to
give
you
a
heads
up.
You
know
this
is
a
change
coming
up
and
probably
at
the
end
of
the
day,
that
the
city
would
be
responsible
for
whatever
share
five
percent
or
or
up
to
twenty
percent
of
the
construction
phase.
So
this
is
something
simplified,
but
for
for
today
I
you
know
the
resolution
is
just
for
for
design
phase.
R
We
would
like
to
secure
the
final
design
fan
for
this
project
so
that
we
could
move
forward.
That's
pretty
much
the
that
summarizes
the
memo
and
you
I
also
attached
two
profiles
for
the
option.
We
are
considering
the
first
one.
I
don't
know
again,
if
you
don't
have
access
for
that
information.
That's
fine,
but
I'll.
Just
give
you
some
idea
what
we
are
planning
to
to
do.
We
are
planning
to
add
bike
lanes
to
this
bridge
so,
but
there
are
two
ways
to
do
that:
one.
R
The
first
one
is
to
have
a
shared
bike
lane
with
the
roadway,
which
is
two
certificates
shared
travelings
and
the
other
option
we
are
considering
currently
considering
is
having
two
11
feet:
broadway
plus
two
sidewalks
and
two
five
feet
bike
lanes.
R
So
those
are
the
two
options
we
are
considering,
especially
the
the
second
option,
which
is
11
feet,
wide
roadway,
two
sidewalks
and
two
five
bike
lanes
as
going
across
as
the
city
or
the
project
are
about
around
three
million
dollars,
which
is
significantly
higher
than
our
original
construction
budget,
which
is
1.7
million.
R
P
I'll
get
it
eventually,
you
know
sorry
soon,
thanks.
I
am
looking
at
your
memo
there
about
the
two
alternatives.
So
I
want
to
be
clear.
It
says
the
alternative
b
has
the
narrower
travel
lanes.
That's
so
that
would
be
22
feet
and
then
it
says
five
foot
bike
lane.
So
does
that
mean
there's
two
five
foot
bike
lanes
or
what
one.
R
Yeah,
usually
you
know
we
call
the
shoulder
it's
11
feet,
5
to
8
bike
lane
and,
of
course,
there's
a
sidewalk
on
one
side.
So
when
you
have
both
two
sides,
you
have
for
significantly
higher
longer
but
yeah.
That's
that
option,
which
is
alternative
b,
will
have
a
designated
bike
lanes.
It
will
not
be
a
shared
travel
games
just
like
alternative
one.
That's
why
it's
a
bit
expensive,
because
you
know
we're
gonna
end
up
with
a
wider
bridge
deck.
So
that's,
alternatively,.
P
So
in
that
alternative,
so
are
the
bike
lanes
kind
of
physically
separated
from
the
vehicle
lanes
or,
if
there's
like
a
curb
or
something.
R
No
not
really
just
like
just
like
a
shoulder,
because
the
shoulder
there
will
not
be
any
physical.
You
know
boundary
between
the
traveling
in
the
lane,
but
of
course
the
sidewalk
will
be
separated.
It
will
be
higher
with
the
curb,
but
not
the
bike
lane.
The
bike
lane
will
be
within
the
roadway,
but
it's
going
to
have
its
own
five
feet
designated
space.
R
P
Well,
I
guess
you
know
if
you,
if
you
wanted
a
preference,
I
mean
if
we're
going
to
encourage
biking,
I
mean
this
is
a
huge
increase
in
the
cost
of
the
project.
There
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
huge
difference
in
the
the
cost.
I
mean
it's
200
000,
which
is
significant,
but
given
the
overall
cost
of
the
project,
I
guess
my
preference
would
be
further
alternative
b,
based
on
my
understanding
at
this
time,.
L
A
O
R
It
will
not
be
painted
it's
going
to
be
regular
what
we
have
on
greenville
street,
the
new
the
brand
new
bridge.
It
will
be
just
like
that,
it's
not
going
to
be
painted,
or
it
will
not
have
any
features,
just
regular
bike
lane
or
like
a
shoulder.
Next
to
the
drive,
the
roadway.
O
My
other
question
is
we're
we're
in
the
process
of
getting
started
to
repair
the
south
cayuga
street
bridge
over
six
mile
creek.
Yes,.
O
R
R
That's
correct
that's
already
in
the
memo
and
the
plan
is
currently
on
the
preliminary
design
phase.
Once
we
secured
the
for
the
design
file
for
the
final
design,
we're
gonna
spend
another
year,
which
is
pretty
much.
You
know
the
whole
years
this
year
and
we're
gonna
beat
the
project
sometime
next
year
before
april
1st,
so
construction
will
be
one
with
the
other.
After
april
1st
of
next
year,.
O
Is
is
the
albany
street
bridge
in
danger
of
failing.
R
It's
kind
of
tricky
question:
we
had
red
flags
recently
that
actually
that's
what
triggered
this
project
a
year
two
years
ago,
when
you
have
a
structural
grade
block.
That
means
you,
unless
you,
unless
you
have
a
major
repair
work,
you
have
to
close
the
bridge,
that's
pretty
much
what
the
procedure
duty
procedure
is,
but
we
we
managed
to
make
repair
work
and
we
managed
to
be
able
to
keep
the
bridge
open.
But
whenever
you
have
red
flag
on
your
bridge,
it's
not
a
good
sign.
R
I
mean
you
fixed
one
thing
this
year,
but
it
doesn't
mean
you
know.
The
same
thing
could
happen
to
the
other
side.
You
know
because
you
know
structurally,
you
know
the
right
thing.
The
left
side
is
kind
of
similar,
so
we
have
the
same
issue
on
the
left
side,
the
west
side
of
the
bridge.
R
I
think
two
years
ago
we
we
managed
to
repair
and
got
okay
from
dlt,
but
we
we
decided
to
go
ahead
and
made
a
major
rehabilitation
that
was
the
original
project
scope,
but
again,
as
after
spending
almost
a
year
on
this
project.
Now
it's
clear
that
we
need
to.
We
need
to
replace
the
bridge
again,
we're
gonna,
have
more
bike
lanes
and
sidewalk
and
we're
gonna
have
a
brand
new
deck
and
that
would
increasing
the
the
load
capacity
and
that
that
should
match
with
the
substructure.
R
So
to
answer
your
question,
I'm
not
in
your
position
to
say
yes
or
no,
but
we
had
red
flags.
We
have
this
those
red
flags
recently
and
that's
kind
of
it's
not
a
good
sign
for
a
bridge.
R
Usually
we
get
you
know,
yellow
flags
or
safety
flags
all
the
time
we
manage
to
do
that
in-house,
or
sometimes
we
hire
contractors
to
do
that,
but
maybe
for
the
first
time
in
my
10
plus
years,
you
know
south
albany
street
bridge
is
the
first
bridge
with
we
got
red
flags,
not
only
once
maybe
twice
so
I'm
not
saying
it's
gonna
collapse
tomorrow,
but
we
need
to
do
something
about
it.
Something
serious.
O
T
L
Just
to
specify
my
preference
streams
too,
I
actually,
I
am
one
of
the
few.
I
don't
go
down
to
that
often,
but
I
am
one
of
the
few
that
does
use
the
west
state
bike
lane,
but
to
the
other
point,
the
fact
that
it's
unprotected
makes
a
lot
of
people
don't
see
a
ton
of
value
in
it
and
also
note
that
south
albany,
which
I
do
go
down
a
lot,
is
already
a
pretty
narrow
street,
and
so
without
extending
the
bike
lane.
L
I
don't
really
see
that
much
value
in
anyone
unless
there
are
some
plans
to
get
rid
of
street
parking
and
and
creating
a
more
permanent
bike
lane,
so
I'm
fairly
agnostic
on
the
on
the
question,
leaning
towards
fact
the
main
benefit
I
see
of
the
bike
lane
is
to
narrow
the
travel
lane
and
keep
the
speeds.
Well.
So
so
I
don't
know,
but
I'm
just
saying
that
I
personally,
as
a
cyclist
who
does
go
through
that
quarter,
quite
a
bit,
don't
see
a
ton
of
value
for
a
bike
lane.
E
R
I
think
that's
a
very
good
point.
I
don't
know
if
tim
is
here,
he
could
help
me
here.
I
I
think
there
are
plans
in
the
future
to
make.
You
know
maybe
include
south
albany
streets
as
a
bike
boulevard,
maybe
that
that
could
be
the
reason.
This
is
not
only
my
my
decision,
but
we
collectively
discussed
and
that's
the
reason
why
we
try
to
include
a
bike
lane.
But
again,
when
you
consider
you
know
adding
bike
lane.
R
Of
course
we
are
adding
the
deck
which
is
expensive,
so
we
need
to
have
at
least
options
for
for
the
public
and
for
the
decision
maker
so
that
you
know
we
will
know
what
to
do.
But
I
totally
agree
with
you:
we
will,
I
will
further,
you
know,
discuss
with
steam
and
we
have
to.
I
mean
if
there's
no
plan
to
do
it.
Of
course,
that
would
save
many
and
also
we
don't
need
just
to
spend.
You
know
taxpayers
money
for
no
reason.
So
I
totally
got
your
points.
Q
Oh
yeah,
thanks
adisu.
This
has
been
really
helpful.
I'm
just
trying
to
get
a
handle
on
the
dimensions
I
and
I
think
it
was
the
south
yugo
street
bridge,
where
we
had
some
debate
about
the
cost
of
the
widening
of
sidewalks.
Q
I
P
I
A
U
K
I
We
had
this.
You
know
we
had
this
discussion
many
years
ago
when
the
city
put
forward
the
proposal
to
take
the
old
plane
street
bridge,
which
was
just
a
pedestrian
bridge
at
the
time
and
build
the
vehicular
bridge
with
the
idea
of
trying
to
spread
out
traffic
a
little
bit
and
not
have
it
be
concentrated
on
certain
kind
of
slightly
more
arterial
streets.
So
that's
a
big
policy
decision
that'd
be
a
great
question
to
feed
into
our
transportation
plan
to
look
kind
of
in
the
big
picture,
but
yeah.
R
Yeah,
I
think
it's
a
fair
question
and
we
did
the
same
with
court
street
bridge
by
the
police
department.
There
was
a
pedestrian
bridge.
There
was
a
discussion,
you
know
whether
to
do
some
work
on
that
bridge
or
just
to
keep
it
just
to
close
it.
And
finally,
you
know
it's
a
again
a
policy
decision
and
we
finally
decided
just
to
close
it.
R
It's
not
being
heard
of,
but
you
know
we
have
to
consider
the
pros
and
cons
of
you
know
doing
this,
and
I
think
that
would
need
more
more
discussion
of
the
public
and
and
among
policymakers
but
yeah
just
to
just
say
for
a
question
and
we
have
done
it
before,
and
but
this
is
a
particular
bridge
I
mean
it's,
it
needs
more
discussion
than
you
know,
maybe
constantly.
I
I
just
wanted
to
note
also
we
have
not
had
public
outreach
for
this
bridge
project
yet
for
the
south
albany
street
bridge
project,
so
we
haven't
really
done
a
little
broader
feedback
or
ask
for
feedback
on
the
on
the
different
alternatives,
so
we'll
feed
that
in.
But
we
were
looking
to
get
a
little
straw
poll
from
you.
While
we
had
your
attention,
that's
helpful.
A
P
P
Whereas
the
city
has
requested
permission
to
construct
and
install
a
water
main
on
the
water
treatment
property
from
the
northern
property
boundary
on
cascade
creek
to
another
area
and
the
facility
which
new
water
main
will
connect
to
an
existing
water
main
owned
by
the
city
and
located
on
the
property.
All
is
depicted
in
sheet
seat.
402,
drawing
entitled
city
harbour
development
last
revised
april,
9th
2021
and
whereas
the
new
water
main
benefits
the
water
treatment
facility
and
municipal
owners.
P
Because
the
new
water
main
will
a
create
a
loop
in
the
city's
water
distribution
system
that
will
provide
water
services.
Redundancy
to
the
water
treatment
facility
b,
eliminate
water
quality
issues
at
the
existing
dead-end
city,
water
main
located
on
the
property
and
see
significantly
increased
fire
flows
in
the
water
treatment
property.
And
whereas
at
its
april,
14
2021
meeting
the
sjc
reviewed,
discussed
and
approved
the
proposed
permanent
water
and
access,
easements
and
rights
of
way
for
the
city
of
ithaca
more
to
maine.
A
Okay,
good
and
we
lost
you
that
carries
unanimously
excellent.
Thank
you.
Another
couple
items
related
to
our
wastewater
treatment
plant.
So
someone
want
to
move
3.6
again,
you'll
find
this
in
the
revised
version
of
the
agenda,
and
it
was
also
emailed
around.
So
someone
want
to
move.
O
The
process
of
mixing
compressed
air
oxygen
with
settled
wastewater
in
the
processed
tanks
to
sustain
biological
treatment
and
whereas
the
ithaca
area,
wastewater
treatment
facility
has
two
turblex
and
two
hoffman
industrial
grade
blowers
to
provide
compressed
air
to
treatment
processes
and
whereas
both
the
turblex
blowers,
both
of
the
turblex
blowers,
suffered
catastrophic.
Bearing
and
impeller
failures
in
december
of
2020
and
march
20
21,
respectively,
eliminating
system
redundancy
and
whereas
a
recent
failure.
O
A
Is
there
a
second
graham
thank
you,
so
I
think,
since
these
are
hot
off
the
press,
because
that
meeting
was
this
afternoon.
I
think
the
language
needs
to
read
that
council
that
somewhere,
it
needs
to
say
the
sjc
recommended,
and
then
there
needs
to
be
one
in
this
one.
The
first
resolve
that
says
council
recommends
it.
Is
that
correct.
O
This
question
is
for
scott.
It's
sounds
like
from
this
that
the
turblex
blowers
aren't
the
best
choices.
Would
you
say
that
replacing
them
with
the
the
rotary
design,
the
rotary
screw
design
blower
is
preferable
or
do
you
think
just
rebuilding
the
turbo
explorers
is
preferable.
V
Well,
as
deb
pointed
out,
the
emergency
meeting
was
today
and
what
led
to
the
emergency
meeting
was
a
flurry
of
activity
from
our
professional
consultants,
who
were
communicating
with
the
original
vendor,
as
well
as
some
repair
technicians,
the
company
that
eventually
ended
up
purchasing
the
terblux
corp,
and
so
it's
a
short
way
of
saying
that
there
was
a
lot
of
information
flying
around
at
the
last
minute.
V
But
what
mrb
consultants
evaluated
was
the
fact
that
the
turblex
blowers
operate
at
a
very
high
rate
of
speed.
That's
that's
their
nature.
They're
high
efficiency
blowers
in
in.
In
short,
they
operate
with
a
high
velocity
to
use
less
power,
and
that's
why
they
were
designed
that
way.
They're
also
matched
with
instrumentation
and
controls
to
to
adjust
themselves
on
demand
for
when
the
plant
needs
extra
air
or
a
minimum
amount
of
air.
V
You
know
and
they're
being
asked
to
operate
in
the
1200
or
below
range,
there's
a
lot
of
mechanical
difficulties
that
happen
when
you're
asking
equipment
to
operate
below
its
rated
capacity,
and
we
had
found
out
through
this
analysis
that
the
turbex
blower
spent
a
lot
of
time
operating
below
their
range,
and
it's
felt
that
at
this
point
that
cavitation
surging
and
a
lot
of
undesirable
conditions
occurred
that
could
have
caused
to
their
demise.
V
The
factory
would
give
us
a
warranty
and
they
would
also
adjust
the
instrumentation
and
controls
to
ensure
that
they're
throttled
to
the
point
where
they
will
never
go
below
a
certain
set
point,
and
I
think
at
this
point
we
have
the
confidence
that
a
replacement
is
probably
too
costly
and
we
now
have
our
confidence
back
for
the
turblex
blowers.
Based
on
this
recommendation
that
maybe
a
factory
rebuild
would
be
the
way
to
go.
And
if
that's
the
case,
we
could.
We
could
probably
save
about
half
of
the
maximum
amount
that
we're
asking
for.
V
It's
a
year,
but
it
doesn't
sound
like
a
lot,
but
if
we
were
to
buy
brand
new
blowers,
it's
about
all
that
we
would
get
out
of
the
factory
as
well.
V
They're
30
years
old,
plus,
probably
33,
34
years
old,
but
the
thing
you
have
to
understand
with
the
hoffman
blowers
is
they
were
designed
to
be
an
on
and
off
system.
V
V
The
hop
and
blowers
are
operating
right
now,
but
we
feel
that
they're
over
aerating
the
tanks
causing
increased
growth
and-
and
that's
also
an
under
desirable
condition,
because
you
can
get
a
lot
of
things
like
carry
over
into
your
effluent,
causing
speedies
permit
compliance
problems,
and
so
it's
you
know
at
its
root
value.
That's
exactly
what
I
said.
How
about
our
hoffman
blowers,
they're
35
years
old,
but
I
think
what
we're
finding
is
it's
it's
an
apples
and
oranges
comparison.
V
Typically,
the
turblex
blowers
are
operating
again:
they're
they're,
dissolved
oxygen,
matched
right,
so
they're
they're
reading
plant
data
and
they're
adjusting
the
veins
on
the
on
the
blower.
It's
a
very
mechanical
fine-tuned
process.
These
turblex
blowers
for
the
most
part
they're
using
the
turblex
blowers
in
place
of
the
hoffman's,
the
hoffman's
serve
in
a
reserve
capacity
for
system
redundancy
and
now
that
the
turblex
blowers
are
down
we're
just
using
the
hoffman
blowers.
V
We
have
no
fine-tuned
control
they're
either
on
or
they're
not
the
operators
are
going
back
to
sort
of
an
antiquated
manual
process
with
adjustments
and
and
it's
it's
an
undesirable
situation
at
this
point.
So
let's
say
if
one
of
the
hoffman's
went
down,
we'd
be
in
a
world
of
hurt,
particularly
with
the
warm
weather
coming
up,
which
is
where
you
need
a
lot
more
aeration.
V
We
have
an
on-site
contractor
who's
already
working
on
a
multi-million
dollar
project
for
the
wastewater
plant.
It's
bon
giovanni
right
now.
We're
instructing
bon
giovanni
to
begin
the
process
of
pulling
the
turblex
blowers
off
their
mounts
in
anticipation
of
shipping
them
back
to
the
factory.
V
Now
whether
this
body
agrees
to
go
ahead
with
the
purchase
of
this,
they
still
need
service,
so
either
we're
going
to
replace
them
or
we're
going
to
repair
them
one
of
the
two.
They
still
have
to
come
off
their
mounts
for
replacement,
so
we're
trying
to
jump
the
gun
a
little
bit
here
and
and
get
the
ball
rolling
if
we
were
to
to
replace
them,
we're
talking,
probably
14
15
weeks,
so
you
know
you're
saving,
maybe
a
month
not
a
whole
lot.
V
Yeah
at
this
point
in
time,
the
company's
willing
to
you
know
they're
willing
to
balance
them
they're.
Looking
at
speed,
checks,
they're
looking
at
you
know,
bench
top
operation,
essentially
from
the
factory
they're,
going
to
evaluate
every
component
that
went
bad
they're,
going
to
replace
every
component
that
went
bad
and
they're
going
to
put
them
through
paces
that
mirror
a
real-world
condition
and
we'll
get
a
report
from
that.
V
So
what
you
have
to
do
is
you
have
to
install
a
dump
valve
system
so
that
if
they
are
called
to
go
below
a
certain
error
rate,
then
that
extra
extra
air
that
they're
they're
developing
can
you
know
harmlessly
blow
out
of
the
system.
V
So
there's
some
modifications
that
would
have
to
be
done.
We've
got
several
instrumentation
controls,
people
in
mind,
including
one
that's
already
contracted
with
a
plant,
and
we
think
that
it
shouldn't
be
too
big
of
a
deal
to
modify.
V
That's
a
steve
there
question
and
I
know
that
steve
has
been
working
diligently
with
travelers
and
maybe
steve
can
answer
that.
S
Yeah,
so
we've
been
looking
into
insurance
recovery
for
both
the
blowers
and
also
the
next
resolution
for
the
digesters
at
this
point
in
time
it
looks
like
the
blowers
probably
will
not
be
covered
by
our
policy,
but
the
digesters
have
a
good
probability
that
some
portion
of
the
cost
of
that
project
will
be
covered
by
by
insurance
by
the
insurance
carrier.
S
So
it's
it's
a
process
that
takes
a
little
bit
of
time
to
go
through
and
so
it'll
take
a
while
before
we
know
exactly
what
they'll
cover,
if
anything,
but
at
this
time
it
doesn't
look
like
the
blowers
fit
into
that.
P
Yeah
thanks
deb,
so
one
comment
scott
and
looking
at
this.
Maybe
this
already
exists,
but
I
would
love
to
see
an
animated
movie
of
the
operation.
Of
all
these
components
sounds
like
it'd,
be
really
a
crowd
pleaser.
So
I
I
had
a
question
just
on
the
resolve
there,
maybe
for
all
of
us,
so
it's
to
approve
the
rebuild
or
replacement,
but
you're
recommending
replacement
at
this
stage.
So
if
I
I
guess
my
question
is:
do
we
still
leave
that
or
do
we
have
it
as
replacement?
P
S
So
so
it
was
decided
because
we
still
we're
not
100
certain
that
we
will
be
repairing
these
blowers
at
this
point,
there's
still
the
potential
that
we
could
replace
them,
but
definitely
leaning
towards
the
lower
cost
solution,
which
is
to
repair
the
blowers
and
that
would
roughly
be
a
cost
of
150
000
compared
to
the
400
000.
S
But
we
we
felt
to
give
us
the
maximum
flexibility
to
to
include
not
to
exceed
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
case
in
case
the
repair
scenario
didn't
work
out
for
us
on
the
other
question,
so
we
pay
57
of
the
final
cost
of
the
act.
Okay,
thank.
N
Thanks
deb
graham
just
asked
one
of
the
questions
I
had,
because
there
are
three
owners
of
the
wastewater
treatment
facility.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
what
the
proportion
of
the
city
cost
might
be.
So
thank
you
for
that
information.
I
guess
my
other
question,
though,
is
scott.
Do
you
know
if
any
other
municipalities
have
experienced
issues
or
problems
with
these
triplex
blowers?
Seven
years
just
seems
like
a
very
short
period
of
time
for
such
equipment
to
operate
and
fail.
V
V
Let's
get
something
new
and
when
our
consultants
sort
of
put
their
pen
to
paper
and
really
started
looking
at
this,
you
know
if
you
know,
if
you're,
if
you're
running
some
type
of
equipment
outside
of
its
normal
comfort
zone,
you're
really
asking
for
problems
eventually
and
that's
what
we
think
is
has
been
going
on
with
these
things,
so
they've
been
yeah
they've,
been
in
for
seven
years,
they've
also
been,
you
know,
required
to
run
out
of
their
comfort
zone,
for
you
know
maybe
15
hours
out
of
the
day,
so
you
know
they're,
just
not
designed
to
run
in.
V
V
So
you
know-
and
I
don't
have
any
answers
to
that
it
was-
they
were
put
in
under
an
energy
performance
contract
under
johnson
controls.
It
was
you
know
what
the
consultant
has
found
is
that
they're,
you
know
they're
a
pretty
decent,
blower
and
they're.
Just
they
were
just
being
asked
to
do
the
wrong
thing.
V
So
you
certainly
want
to
look
at
a
forensics
analysis
of
equipment
like
this
because,
hey
you
know
both
of
them.
I
mean
it's
not
a
coincidence.
In
our
eyes,
both
of
them
failed
right
around
the
same
time.
V
So
you
know
it's
a
very
valid
question,
but
we,
like,
I
said
we,
I
think
we're
at
the
point.
We
have
enough
confidence
to
think
that,
given
the
right
operating
parameters,
there's
no
reason
they
shouldn't
last.
As
long
as
the
hoffman's.
Q
S
Yeah
because
it's
kind
of
up
in
the
air,
both
on
cost
and
and
source
of
funds,
we
kind
of
gave
ourselves
the
maximum
flexibility
in
each
case,
so
that
we
can
go
look.
You
know,
look
for
funding
if
it
in
turn,
if
in
fact
does
come
in
at
150
000,
we
believe
that
we
can
fit
this
into
our
current
authorization
for
our
budget
for
the
wastewater
treatment
facility,
with
maybe
some
help
from
the
fund
balance
if
it
does
go
to
the
larger
amount.
We'd
have
to
look
outside
of
that
source.
S
So
we
do
know
stimulus
money
is
coming
to
the
city
and
other
municipalities
at
some
point
here
and
soon,
and
so
that's
a
potential
there's,
you
know,
grant
potential
as
well
and
also
serial
bonds.
If
we
have
to
go
that
route,
so
we
just
gave
ourselves
some
flexibility
here.
Q
A
All
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you
all
right.
We
have.
The
continuing
saga
of
sludge
is
next
3.7.
Someone
want
to
move
that.
Q
Q
Digestion
is
a
vital
process
at
the
ithaca
area,
wastewater
treatment
facility
and
whereas
digestion
is
necessary
in
dewatering
and
destabilizing
and
stabilizing
solids
for
disposal,
biogas
production
for
heating
and
electrical
generation
and
in
the
receipt
of
trucked
in
waste,
a
revenue
generating
service
and
whereas,
on
the
night
of
march
11th
and
12th
2021
a
blockage
caused
by
excessive
debris
in
the
primary
digester
overflow
line,
caused
the
liquid
levels
in
the
tank
to
surge
upwards
and
lift
the
digester
cover
approximately
18
inches,
breaking
anchor
bolts,
mounts
and
concrete,
and
whereas
the
immediate
blockage
was
relieved
by
drain
brain
sewer
service
and
the
excess
liquid
was
drained.
Q
Allowing
the
primary
digester
cover
to
settle
back
into
place,
but
is
no
longer
anchored
in
place
and
whereas
the
digester
will
need
extensive
repairs
and
whereas,
in
accordance
with
standards,
the
facility
cannot
operate
as
designed
without
the
primary
gesture
of
digester
in
operation.
Whereas
the
loss
of
sludge
management
treatment
provided
by
the
facility
presents
many
concerns,
including,
but
not
limited
to,
the
inability
to
adequately
maintain
appropriate
sludge
treatment
standards.
Q
Whereas
in
a
draft
on
april
26
2021
letter
by
the
consultants,
it
was
associated
equipment
as
an
emerge,
an
emergency
situation
which
requires
immediate
action
on
the
part
of
the
wastewater
treatment
facility
and
whereas
the
letter
identifies
several
actions,
including
removal
of
contacts,
repair
of
the
anchoring
system,
evaluation,
cleaning
and
inspection
and
a
variety
of
other
things
and
whereas
phd
verbally
estimates.
The
cost
of
these
repairs
to
be
at
least
1.5
million
dollars
depending
further
evaluation
and
the
issuance
of
subsequent
memo.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolve
at.
Q
The
joint
special
joint
committee
recommends
to
its
municipal
boards
that
they
approve
said
project
not
to
exceed
the
sum
total
of
one
million.
Six
hundred
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
removal
of
primary
digester
contents,
repair
of
the
anchoring
system,
evaluation,
cleaning
and
inspection
of
the
piping
systems.
Along
with
critical
work
on
the
supporting.
Q
Sorry,
as
well
as
secondary
digester,
cleaning
inspections
and
repairs
and
a
10
contingency
and
therefore
be
it
result
and
be
a
further
result
that
capital
project
number
422j.
Q
Various
improvements
be
hereby
amended
to
an
amount
not
to
exceed
1.65
million
and
for
a
total
project.
Authorization
of
13,
191
850
for
the
purpose
of
funding,
said
primary
and
secondary
digestive
repairs
and
be
it
further
resolve
that
funds
necessary
for
said
project
shall
be
derived
from
the
following
sources,
as
determined
by
the
city,
controller,
insurance,
recovery,
serial
bonds,
grants
and
federal
stimulus
funds.
A
Is
there
a
second
graham?
Thank
you.
I
assume
we
will
do
the
same
thing
to
this
one
where
we
will
have
it
become
a
council,
not
special,
joint
committee.
Okay,
great,
do
we
have
any
questions
on
this
one
and
just
to
remind
everybody,
we
still
have
about
one
hour
and
40
minutes
worth
of
agenda
items
per
hour
timing.
So
just
not
that
I
don't
want
you
to
ask
questions.
Just
keep
that
in
mind.
Graham.
P
V
Well,
what
what
we
do
know
is
that
you
know
digesters,
have
an
overflow
and
that
overflow
got
blocked.
What
we
don't
know
is
what
caused
you
know.
So
if,
if
you
think
of
the
cover,
as
just
a
giant,
you
know
upside
down
saucer
and
it
has
a
skirt
on
it,
so
you
know
there's
around
the
circumference
of
the
cover.
There's
a
a
steel.
V
V
You
know
and
and
there's
a
laundry
list
of
things
in
there.
So
why
did
the
fluid
build
up
not
come
out?
The
sides
of
the
digester
cover
seal
because
usually
the
cover
is
slightly
smaller
in
diameter
than
the
tank
itself
right.
So
there's
about
six
inch
gap,
all
the
way
around
the
cover,
that's
usually
filled
in
with
a
mastic
like
a
like
a
coal
tar
seal
or
something.
Why
did
the
cold
tart
seal
not
blow?
V
Why
did
the
gas
relief
valves
not
blow
gas
pressure,
never
went
up
beyond
its
specified
range
operators,
went
up
to
look
and
see
if
the
valves
were
plugged
and
they
weren't.
So
there's
a
lot
of
unknowns
yet,
and
so
the
bottom
line
is
that
the
digesters
were
last
cleaned
in
2012..
V
They
were
due
for
service,
which
is
typically
drawing
them
down
and
then
removing
all
the
solids
materials
that
builds
up
over
time
out
of
them,
including
grit
and
debris,
and
they
were
part
of
this
miscellaneous
plant
project
that
we
have
steve
already
alluded
to
in
his
his
add-on
in
the
resolve
section:
the
capital
project,
422,
that
includes
a
grit,
a
new
grit
removal
process
and
a
sundry
of
other
things.
V
So
we
have
a
little
bit
of
wiggle
room
in
there,
because
this
was
originally
part
of
that
project,
but
it
was
going
to
be
a
little
more
expensive
than
we
would
have
liked,
and
although
it
was
approved,
we
weren't
really
sure
if
we
were
ready
to
pull
a
trigger
and
cleaning
it
just
yet.
So
so
I
guess
this
group
should
understand
that
we
were
ready
to
think
about
cleaning
these
things,
and
you
know
this.
V
It
could
be
just
chalked
up
to
you
know
it
was
time
and
we
should
have
cleaned
it
a
year
or
two
earlier
and
but
again
same
with
the
blowers.
V
We
need
to
do
a
forensics
and
that's
why
you
see
a
lot
of
references
to
pipes
and
pertinences
and
valves
and
things
like
that,
because
you
wouldn't
clean
a
digester
out,
pull
the
cover
off
repair
the
cover,
without
looking
at
the
the
piping
and
and
the
valving
to
determine,
if
they're,
truly
free
of
debris
and
and
at
the
original
design
diameters
that
they
were
originally
planned
for
because
those
do
gum
up
over
time.
V
So
we
have
no
secondary
digestion,
which
is
absolutely
necessary
to
reduce
volume
of
sludge
and
to
further
its
its
efficiency,
to
stabilize
it
and
to
you
know,
remove
vectors
and
bacteria
and
viruses,
and
things
like
that.
So
so
in
answer
to
your
your
question,
graham,
how
do
we
ensure
that
this
doesn't
happen
again?
V
Okay,
being
a
little
more,
you
know,
I
don't
I'm
not
blaming
anybody
on
operation
staff,
because
this
stuff's
expensive,
you
know
every
time
we
clean
these
things.
You
know
it's
a
half
a
million
dollars,
so
you
know
in
the
decision
of
the
sjc
to
sort
of
be
late
cleaning.
I
don't
think
anyway
involves
you,
know,
sort
of
points
fingers
at
all.
It's
just
it
was
time
for
a
cleaning
and
it
is
still
time
for
a
cleaning.
I
think
we
just
got
unlucky
with
with
a
plug.
Q
I
just
want
to
so
I'm
assuming
that
the
capital
project
422j
number-
that's
now
13
191
850.-
did
that
go
up
by
the
1.65
million
okay.
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
it
was
the
same.
V
I,
I
guess
good
point
donna.
She
just
posted
a
chat.
This
is
sort
of
a
it's
a
it's.
A
public
information
wet
wipes
are
not
very
friendly
to
the
sewer
system
or
the
treatment
process.
We're
not
saying
that
it
was
a
wet
wipe
issue,
but
we're
seeing
people
flushing
masks,
we're
seeing
you
know
you
see
all
kinds
of
stuff
coming
down
through
the
line
that
lends
to
problems
in
the
treatment
process.
V
We're
hoping
that
you
know.
We've
upgraded
a
lot
of
our
headwork
screening
process.
We
have
a
new
grit
process,
that's
about
to
be
brought
online.
It's
going
to
help
prevent
a
lot
of
this
kind
of
stuff,
but,
like
it
or
not,
wet
wipes
are
probably
the
the
bane
of
every
treatment
plant
existence,
even
though
the
manufacturers
say
they're
perfectly
flushable.
They
are
not.
A
A
P
Just
beat
you
there
deb.
This
is
an
extension
of
the
tcat
transportation
agreement
for
one
year,
whereas
the
city
of
ithaca,
tonkins,
county
of
cornell
engaged
in
agreement
in
1990
entered
into
a
20-year
construction
and
operation
agreement
in
1991.
P
Other
agreements
in
1998,
2005
2018
agreement
was
signed
between
the
city
and
the
county
regarding
the
ownership
of
the
transit
facility,
whereas
that
agreement
is
set
to
expire
is
set
to
expire
in
october
of
this
year
and
whereas
the
city
county
and
cornell
would
like
to
extend
the
transportation
agreement
for
12
months
now,
therefore
be
resolved.
P
That
common
council
authorizes
the
mayor
to
sign
an
extension
of
the
current
transportation
agreement
for
a
period
of
one
year
and
be
further
resolved
that
the
mayor
will
name
members
of
a
negotiating
team
to
meet
with
the
county
and
cornell
and
negotiate
a
successor
transport
agreement
with
the
new
agreement
to
be
brought
back
to
common
council
for
approval
before
the
expiration
date
of
the
extended
transportation
agreement.
An
iso
move.
A
L
L
And
that,
on
january,
1st
2005,
the
transportation
agreement
that
currently
created
the
tcat
that
we
know
today
was
meant
to
end
the
tika
joint
venture.
But
it
never.
B
L
Because
because
they
want
to
make
sure
that
all
joint
venture
liabilities
were
known
and
dealt
with
before
they
terminated
the
consolidation
agreement
and
so
she's
recommending
that
we
add
a
provision
to
terminate
that
old
consolidation
agreement
and
tcap
joint
venture,
and
I
wanted
to
add
a
whereas
to
explain
that
I
can
send
that
via
email
but
I'll
need
it
real,
quick
right
now.
So
out
of,
whereas
after
that,
fourth
one
that
says,
whereas
tcats
underwriters
did
not
terminate
the
1998
consolidation
agreement,
which
created
the
joint
venture.
L
When
tcat
inc
began
operations
in
2005
because
they
wanted
to
make
sure
all
joint
venture
liabilities
were
known
and
dealt
with
before
they
terminated
the
consolidation
agreement
and
then
after
that,
where,
as
I'm
sorry
after
they
first
resolved
to
entity,
resolved
that
the
agreement.
Extending
the
transportation
agreement
for
one
year
included
provision
terminating
the
consolidation
agreement,
anti-cat
joint
venture
and
parenthesis.
Tcat
inc's
predecessor,
and
that's
just
to
clarify
some
put
the
text
in
the
chat
just
to
clarify
some
stuff
that
was
left
over
from
previous
teachers.
A
C
Yes,
that
was
the
intent
so
that
I
do
have
that
question
as
to
whether
the
county
is
also
going
to
add
this
into
their
version.
But
I
don't
know
that
it.
B
C
J
C
C
F
C
A
A
All
those
in
favor,
so
that
carries
unanimously
all
right,
3.9
who's
up
for
reading
resolutions
ducks
and
thank
you.
L
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
common
council
hereby
amends
the
2021
personnel
roster,
effective,
may
10th
2021
for
the
finance
department
and
the
human
resources
department
as
follows:
increase
hours
of
deputy
controller
by
10
to
30
hours,
increased
hours
of
manager
of
organizational
development
by
8
to
40
hours
and
be
it
further
resolved.
The
company
council
hereby
amends
the
2021
authorized
budget
as
follows:
an
increase
of
33
736
dollars.
L
Steve
do
we
know,
is
this
specifically
to
help
in
the
administration
of
incoming
funds
and
also
do
we
know
the
parameters?
Do
we
yet
know
the
parameters
around
which
we
can
use
that
money.
S
L
If,
if
this
is
related
at
all
to
to
you
know
managing
the
money
that
will
be
coming
in
from
the
federal
government.
S
I
suppose
down
the
line
some
of
it
could
be,
but
mostly
it's
just
to
pick
up.
You
know
hours
in
both
of
these
departments
that
were
cut
as
a
result
of
covered
reductions
that
were
necessary
as
as
a
result
of
coveted
impact
on
our
budget.
The
second
question
was:
do
we
have
the
guidelines?
S
We
have
some
general
guidelines,
but
we
don't
have
the
detail.
The
department
of
treasury
is
working
on
those
we
should
be
seeing
those
in
the
next
couple
weeks.
I
believe,
because
I,
as
I
understand
it,
our
first
batch
of
money,
which
will
come
in
two
two
payments,
the
first
one
will
come
mid-may
for
for
the
city,
so
hopefully
we
get
those
detailed
guidelines
in
short
order.
A
So
I
just
have
a.
I
just
have
a
quick
question
when
we
were
doing
all
of
this,
when
we
had
kind
of
put
people
on
furlough,
we
had
sort
of
a
process
for
determining
how
we
were
going
to
bring
people
back.
We
did
kind
of
an
analysis
of
it.
A
C
I
can
address
that
there
are
actually
the
the
executive
assistant
to
the
mayor
is
also
on
reduced
hours
and
that
that
will
probably
be
coming
in
at
the
may
city
administration
meeting
to
to
add
those
hours
back
in,
I
mean
general,
the
general
thinking
behind
this
was
that
I
mean
these
positions
were
reduced,
because
we
knew
that
there
was
a
a
major
loss
of
revenue
projected
from
sales
tax
revenue,
and
you
know,
parking
fees
and
some
of
the
other
other
revenue
losses
that
we
knew
were
coming.
C
So
in
order
for
every
department,
especially
the
smaller
departments,
to
meet
the
the
kind
of
financial
goals.
The
only
way
they
could
meet
them
was
to
reduce
the
hours
of
some
of
their
employees,
but
not
because
there
was
less
work
to
do
and
since
the
stimulus
funding
is
one
of
the
guidelines
of
the
stimulus
funding
is
to
make
up
for
revenue
losses
that
are
stemming
from
covid19.
C
That
basically
means
that
we
can
use
this
to
to
pay
for
for
all
the
revenue
that
we
would
have
had
coming
in.
We
can
use
a
portion
of
the
the
stimulus
funds
to
make
up
for
that,
and
so
the
thought
was
is
that
before
we
added
anything
before
we
decided
to,
you
know,
buy
new
equipment,
or
you
know,
or
or
create
new
positions
or
or
anything
like
that.
C
We
we
figured
that
the
the
first
thing
we
would
probably
do
would
be
to
add
hours
back
for
employees
who
are
already
working
for
us.
A
A
And
that's
unanimous,
thank
you
all
right.
Three,
ten
someone
want
to
move
this
one.
O
And
whereas,
in
those
resolutions,
the
city
of
ithaca
and
tompkins
county
recognize
the
need
to
determine
next
steps
to
develop
the
programmatic
expression
of
the
joint
elements
of
their
adopted
plans
being
a
long-term
process.
To
make
some
substantive
substantive
improvements
in
our
criminal
justice
system.
O
Whereas
the
city
of
ithaca
and
tompkins
county
as
a
conclusion
to
the
reimagining
public
safety
collaborative
received.
A
draft
report
entitled
public
safety,
reimagined
recommendations
report
following
a
collaborative
effort
between
the
city
of
ithaca
and
tompkins
county
new
york,
which
has
served
as
an
information
resource
for
their
respective
plans
prepared
by
the
city
of
ithaca
in
tompkins
county
and
whereas
the
draft
report
proposed
the
creation
of
a
community
justice
center
as
a
jointly
funded
city,
county
collaborative
department
to
determine
implementation
priorities.
O
Develop
budget
impacts
for
the
implementation
of
pain
of
plan
elements
manage
the
implementation
of
the
joint
plan.
Elements,
as
approved
by
the
city
of
ithaca
in
tompkins
county,
receive
manage
and
analyze
data,
provide
coordination
of
the
operation
of
the
policing
systems
in
our
community
and
provide
reports
to
the
city
and
county.
O
That
common
council
will
receive
regular
reports
regarding
the
establishment
of
the
community
justice
center
and
any
additional
budgetary
requirements
for
implementation
of
the
undertakings
identified
in
the
reimagining
public
safety
plan,
and
shall
consider
this
information
prior
to
any
further
expenditure
being
made.
I
so
move.
A
A
P
Thanks
deb,
so
I
guess
so
we
submitted
this
reimagining
recommend
set
of
recommendations.
So
it's
I'm
assuming
that
we
can
move
ahead
in
some
of
those
recommendations,
including
this
one.
So
the
first
reason
the
question:
is
you
know
what
what's
the
rationale
for
doing
that?
I
know
we
want
to
do
it,
but
are
we
supposed
to
hear
back
from
the
state
about
the
report
or
what's
what's
the
situation?
P
With
regard
to
the
report
that
we've
submitted
or
the
recommendations
we
submitted
to
the
state?
So
that's
the
first
part
and
then
the
second
part,
I
guess
is
it
says
something
about
a
memo
in
here
which
I
don't
see
that
in
the
package
in
terms
of
outlined
in
this
joint
memo
which
the
details,
I
guess
so
I
guess
the
bottom
line
question
is
so
what
are
we
getting?
What's
the
hundred
and
twenty
four
thousand
four
thirty?
What
is
that
going
to
do
and
over
what
period?
I
guess.
T
T
Version
it
must
have
been
excised
when
we
put
the
new
agenda
out.
Well,
here's
what
it
is
in
in
short,
really
based
on
the
report.
So
the
first
answer
to
graham's
question
is
that
we
have
not
gotten
any
follow-up
from
the
state
and
we
really
don't
expect
much.
I
mean
they,
they
received
the
reports
and
they
didn't
give
us
any
indication
that
they
were
going
to
deem
some
acceptable
and
others
unacceptable,
or
that
there
would
be
funding
to
follow.
T
So
I
think
jason
agreed
that
it
was
important
for
us
to
just
begin
moving
expeditiously
and
to
demonstrate
to
the
community
that
we
were
willing
to
show
investments
by
you
know
taking
these
steps
forward
so
to
walk
briefly
through
the
memo.
The
idea
is
that
the
cjc,
this
community
justice
center
would
be
loosely
based
on
the
emergency
operations
center
model
that
the
county
has
used
before
but
is
used
to
great
effect
during
covet.
T
It
would
have
two
staff
people,
one
is
a
program
manager,
they'd
be
the
director
of
the
cjc
and
the
other
is
a
program
analyst
focusing
on
data
and
collection,
there's
a
bit
of
extra
funding
in
there.
T
For
other
expenses,
for
some
project
management
software
that
the
the
county's
gonna
cover
that
bit
and
together
they
would
work
to
pull
in
the
sheriff's
office,
the
police
department,
the
legislature,
the
council
and
the
rest
of
of
the
apparatus
that
makes
up
public
safety
they'd
be
housed
in
the
mental
health
building
employed
by
the
tompkins
county
government.
T
We
would
contract
then
with
tompkins
county,
so
we
would
be
paying
half
their
salaries,
but
they'd
be
employees
of
tompkins
county
and
they
do
the
following
things:
they'd
established
the
framework
for
the
working
agreement
between
the
city
and
the
county.
They
prioritized
the
list
of
recommendations
for
implementation,
they'd
establish
a
framework
for
an
advisory
board,
a
commission
for
public
accountability
as
we
implement
all
of
the
recommendations.
T
They'd
identify
the
next
steps
for
community
engagement
in
the
process
and
facilitate
that
engagement
and
they'd
establish
a
day-to-day
supervisor
response
available.
So
that
is
the
the
plan
that
deanna
is
here
and
it's
my
understanding
that
they,
the
county
legislature,
has
moved
this
forward
out
of
committee
and
towards
the
full
legislature.
G
That
is
correct
and
also
to
clarify.
We
know
that
there
are
probably
more
questions
and
still
answers
at
this
point,
so
the
memo
that
was
submitted
was
around
the
things
that
we
needed
to
do
to
between
the
time
that
the
the
cjc
resolutions
were
submitted
and
then
the
final
approval
in
june,
and
so
the
plan
is
to
go
through
some
of
these
things
and
spell
them
out
more
and
then
provide
more
detail
around.
G
For
example,
the
framework,
in
other
words,
for
the
working
group
from
the
city
and
counties,
spelling
out
those
things
that
they're
going
to
be
county
employees,
then
also
again,
we
know
that
the
city
will
be
engaged
in
a
task
force.
So
how
do
we
work
with
the
task
force,
along
with
the
other
recommendations
and
which?
What
would
that
look
like
to
ensure
that
there's
synergy
across
the
process
and
then,
in
terms
of
the
community
engagement,
I
believe
in
the
shared
adopted
resolutions?
G
There
was
a
component
that
was
added
to
ensure
that
community
will
be
involved
in
all
aspects
of
the
process
and
so
starting
to
outline
some
of
those
things.
And
so
then
what
has
happened
with
this
particular
memo?
We
shared
this
with
the
public
safety
committee
from
tompkins
county
two
weeks
ago,
because
you
just
had
to
do
a
scheduling
with
they
they
met
previously.
G
They
approved
us
moving
forward
with
this
path
and
then
we'll
bring
the
memo
back
to
them
on
obviously
bring
a
more
comprehensive
plan
back
to
you
and
to
the
public
safety
committee
in
a
few
weeks
and
then
hopefully
have
a
full
vote
on
the
cjc.
I
think
our
dates
are
june.
1St
and
yours
will
be
june,
2nd.
Hopefully
that
answers
your
question.
P
G
G
The
city:
well,
I
don't
want
to
interrupt
this,
stop
my
house,
but
it's
the
city
share.
U
G
What's
the
total
200,
the
total
is
two
hundred
and
sixty
eight
thousand
eight
hundred
eleven
dollars.
G
Yes,
so
the
project
management
software,
the
county-
had
initially
requested
it
because
they
might
wanna
use
it
for
some
broader
things,
and
so
it's
twenty
thousand
dollars
less
is
the
difference.
It's
the
I
should
say
the
nineteen
thousand
nine
hundred
fifty
dollars
is
the
difference
between
the
county,
total
and
the
city
total.
B
U
Okay,
plus,
I
have
to
say
my
mantra
that
city
taxpayers
are
also
county
taxpayers,
so
we're
also
we're
paying
more
than
124
000.,
but,
unlike
the
eos,
isn't
it
presuming
that
this
will
kind
of
go
on
forever?
U
U
Okay-
and
I
have
I
have
another
question.
G
U
Thank
you
sure.
So,
if,
if
you
guys
and
then
council
agrees
to
this,
I
mean
in
theory
when
it
comes
to
budget
time,
we
could
still
not
agree
to
it
right.
So
what
I
don't?
I
don't
underst
yeah.
So
just
I
guess
that's
a
question
for
deb.
U
I
don't
understand
your
question.
Okay.
My
question
is
that
this
commits
council
to
commits
to
funding
its
share
of
this
with
the
sorts
of
funds
to
be
determined.
U
A
Well,
we
make
modifications
to
the
budget
all
the
time
all
throughout
the
year.
You
know,
so
I
think
the
the
budget
itself
is
sort
of
our
best
forecast
for
what
we
think
the
next
year
will
look
like,
but
you
know
we
just
authorized
some
emergency
funding
because
of
the
sludge
situation
right.
So
I
think
this
is
similar
to
when
something
comes
before
us.
That's
time
sensitive
that
we
want
to
fund
because
we
need
to
move
it
forward.
We
do
that
outside
of
the
budget
process
so
and-
and
I'm
assuming
we
also.
A
What
we
also
will
have
to
deal
with
is
whatever
comes
out
of
the
public
safety
task
force
for
what
a
reimagined
city
of
ithaca
public
safety
department
would
look
like.
That
will
need
to
be
included.
We
we're
hoping
to
time
that
so
that's
included
in
the
budget
process.
I
think
this
is
just
green
lighting,
the
the
cjc,
so
we
can
move
in
concert
with
the
county's
timeline.
C
Well,
I
think
the
other
thing
to
say
is
just
here:
you're
also
modifying
this
year's
budget,
because
this
is
starting
before
the
2020
to
2022
budget
would
start.
O
So
this
we
would
pay
for
that
this
this
year.
This
would
be
added
on
to
this
year's
budget.
A
O
What
departments
the
cjc
is
overseeing
if
they
are
making
more
public
input
as
a
big
part
of
their.
T
Yeah
so
they'll
be
executing
the
planning
itself.
So,
for
example,
I
think
the
the
one
of
the
recommendations
you
just
referenced.
George
is
recommendation
two,
which
is
to
provide
for
increased
alternative
response
to
emergencies,
bringing
mental
health
responders
contracting
with
an
external
agency
that
will
do
a
co-response
or
alternative
response.
T
Coordinating
that
executing
that
recommendation
is
going
to
take
quite
a
lot
of
many
many
hundreds
of
meetings
and
thousands
of
hours
of
administration
and
strategy
between
dispatch,
the
tompkins
county,
sheriff's
department,
the
ithaca
police
department
and
a
lot
of
public
input
and
training
and
education,
so
that
folks
know
what
to
expect
when
they
call
during
an
emergency
or
not
emergency
and
request
an
alternative
to
a
law
enforcement
response.
T
So
what
we
recognized
about
the
city
and
the
county
is
that
we
do
not
have
the
staff
right
now
to
administer
all
of
that
work
and
setting
up
in
the
same
way
that
you
know
the
the
health
department
existed
before
coronavirus.
But
in
order
to
marshal
an
organized
and
strategic
response,
the
county
had
to
take
a
few
staff
members
and
dedicate
them
specifically
to
the
eoc
so
that
they
could
work
with
all
of
the
relevant
departments
to
respond
in
a
coordinated
way.
T
G
Planning
also
just
to
add
to
I
know,
they're
going
to
be
a
lot
of
questions,
we're
actually
in
the
process
of
spelling
out
more
of
the
details
of
this,
which
is
what
the
memo
this
memo
is
for
so
saying
these
are
the
details
that
we
need
to
be
defined
further
before
you
take
a
final
vote
on.
I
believe
this
is
a
committee
structure
here
of
the
whole,
but
then,
before
it
comes
to
you
june
2nd,
you
would
receive
a
more
comprehensive
plan
of
what
this
looks
like.
Q
T
Yeah,
so
this
is
actually
an
annual
cost,
which
is
an
annual
budget,
so
it
would
take
effect
when
council
passes
it
and
carried
through
to
the
same
point
next
year.
So
you
could
expect
in
this
coming
budget
cycle,
that
there
would
be
a
request
to
finish
up
and
and
possibly
even
to
go
into
2023.
T
Yeah,
usually
that's
a
placeholder
for
unrestricted
contingency.
You
know
we'd
like
to
pull
from
there,
but
I
believe
we
were
still
hoping.
Shall
we,
if
there's
a
possibility
that
this
we
could
take
from
the
covert
relief
funds,
17
million
dollars?
We
also
do
ask
steve
from
time
to
time
to
comb
through
any
unspent
accounts
to
see
if
he
can
find
funds
there.
S
Yeah-
and
I
also
add
that,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
new
funds
headed
our
way,
you
know
we
should
take
a
look
at
all
these
and
then
we'll
make
an
adjustment
to
the
budget
for
for
some
portion
of
that.
But
I
can
tell
you
in
addition,
because
the
new
york
state
budget
was
recently
passed.
S
We
had
budgeted
a
lower
amount
for
state
revenue
and
so
that
money
we'll
be
kind
of
we'll
need
to
adjust
the
budget
for
that
revenue
source.
So
that's
roughly
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
that
we'll
be
able
to
use.
So
I
think
what
I'll
be
doing
is
putting
together
a
resolution
for
mending
well-
and
I
could
do
it
before
council
votes
on
this
at
the
main
meeting,
but
that
the
money
from
the
adjusted
aim
payments
could
offset
this
cost
for
2021..
A
A
I
had
graham
and
then
now
I
see
george's
hand
up
as
well,
but
rob
I
want
to
make
sure
you
were
finished.
Yes,.
A
P
And
drugstore,
so
I
just
want
to
clarify
so
these
positions
are,
as
it
says,
in
the
memo
there.
These
are
county
employees.
So
I
guess
I
didn't
know
whether
that
has
happened.
Before
I
mean
I,
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
that
in
principle,
but
in
terms
of
oversight,
I
guess,
from
the
city's
perspective,
who's
gonna
kind
of
who's,
gonna
kind
of
manage
this
part
of
the
process.
I
mean
I
I'm
unclear
about
who
this
kind
of
project
manager
kind
of
reports
to.
P
I
don't
know
the
county
structure,
so
you
know
they're
not
in
one
of
our
departments,
they're
in
the
county
structure,
but
what's
the
kind
of
oversight
on
a
kind
of
regular
basis.
I
know
in
the
memo
it
says
we
will
get
a
evaluation
after
two
years,
but
obviously
council's
not
going
to
be
managing
it
on
a
day-to-day
basis.
So
what's
the
arrangement
there
in
terms
of
the
actual
kind
of
management
of
the
of
the
team.
T
Yeah,
that's
one
of
the
the
details
to
be
determined.
I
can't
say
that,
what's
already
in
the
memo
and
in
the
resolution
is
a
request
for
bi-monthly
updates
to
the
both
the
county
legislature
and
the
common
council,
as
well
as
the
promised
plan
to
be
preserved,
prepared
and
presented
to
you
and
to
the
legislature
by
the
end
of
next
month,
will
establish
the
framework
for
the
working
agreement
and
and
establish
the
framework
for
an
advisory
board
or
commission,
and
I
think
both
of
those
frameworks.
T
You
know
I
can
imagine
the
county
administrator
and
I,
along
with
shelley
indiana,
have
been
meeting
regularly
as
something
of
a
leadership
group.
It's
possible
that
that
will
be
what
we
list
as
the
framework
for
direct
supervision,
with
additional
levels
of
oversight
by
the
county
legislature,
the
the
common
council
and
that
established
public
advisory
group.
But
but
that's
me
still
just
guessing
a
little
bit
because
we
don't
have.
C
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
that
we
have
a
very
similar
arrangement
with
the
town
of
ithaca
for
nick
goldsmith's
time
that
he
is
a
town
employee.
We
pay
half
of
his
salary
in
a
contract
with
the
town
and
he
spends
half
his
time
with
the
city
and
half
his
time
with
the
town.
So
I
don't
know
that
accountability
is
such
an
issue,
even
if
we,
if
we
engage
in
a
contractual
arrangement
with
another
municipality,
okay,.
T
Downtown
outreach
worker
similar
a
bit
different.
They
work
for
family
and
children's
services,
they're
funded
in
part
by
us
and
probably
by
the
county
and
part
by
downtown
epic
alliance,
and
but
similarly
has
an
advisory
commission
that
helps
oversee
that
program
as
well.
P
A
P
Okay,
well
I'll
I'll
just
say
I
think
it'll
be
important
for
us
to
kind
of
keep
a
running
total
of
what
we're
investing
in
the
reimagining.
You
know
if
this
passes
add
this
to
the
kind
of
overall
picture,
because
one
of
the
concerns
when
we
passed
it
was
obviously
the
overall
source
of
funds
for
this
reimagining
implementation.
P
O
O
So
these
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollar
here
and
hundred
twenty
thousand
dollar
there
could
be
funding
some
of
the
people
who
are
going
to
be
interacting
directly
with
the
with
the
public.
O
So
wouldn't
it
make
more
sense
to
pay
for
it
till
the
end
of
the
year.
T
Well,
first:
well,
I
think
the
the
the
lion
share
by
far
of
the
money
we
spend
will
be
spent
on
the
front
lines.
That's
true
now
that
it's
it'll
be
true
long
into
the
future.
T
What
we
spend
on
administration
in
the
city
is
actually
far
below
what
it
should
be
and-
and
we
are
far
from
a
top-heavy
organization
and
often
it
shows-
because
you
use
a
metaphor.
T
What
you're
saying
george
is
is
a
point
well
taken,
but
it's
like
saying
do
we
really
need
these
architects
and
engineers
can't
we
just
start
building
this
building,
and
that
would
be
a
mistake.
You'd
end
up
on
the
construction
site,
and
not
only
would
you
make
costly
mistakes,
but
it
would
also
take
more
time
and
more
money
if
you
don't
design
it
well
up
front,
and
so
I
think
making
this
investment
in
the
planning
and
design
phase
is
really
really
important.
T
I
also
think
the
reason
we
structured
it
like
this
is
in
part
to
demonstrate
our
commitment
to
not
only
work
with
the
county,
but
to
the
people
that
we
may
hire
that
they
will
be
funded
for
at
least
one
year
and
that's
why
we'd
like
to
do
it
this
way,
so
that
there's
not
a
question
as
we're
attempting
to
hire
people
in
the
project,
management
role
or
the
data
analyst
role
that
the
funding
may
expire
january.
1St.
G
G
You
know,
then
I
guess
it's
144
000
or
whatever
the
amount
is
this
year,
because
we
won't
have
employees
in
place,
and
so
at
that
point
I
think
that's
a
part
of
the
details
that
we'll
have
to
spell
out
and
look
at
what
that
payment
arrangement
is.
But
I
can
tell
you
that
no
one
has
specifically
asked
for
any
funding
up
front
or
anything
like
that.
G
I
think
that's
to
be
determined
as
good
faith
partners
and
what
this
looks
like
and
then
spelling
out
what
the
request
would
be
in
terms
of
the
county
providing
deliverables
in
terms
of
payroll
receipts
and
things
of
that
nature,
for
specific
costs
related
to
those
items.
A
O
S
Yeah,
so
I
I
think
I
would
suggest
that
in
the
resolve,
the
second
to
last
resolve
that
we
put
in
the
amount
not
to
exceed
124
430
with
the
source
of
funds
to
be
derived
from
the
unrestricted
contingency
fund
and
then
next
month
I
will
come
with
a
a
resolution
to
adjust
the
contingency
account
for
the
difference
that
we'll
see
in
our
aim
payment
for
this
year.
So
then
you
as
council
can
decide
what
to
do
with
those
funds
as
we
move
forward.
S
A
O
I'll
just
add
one
comment
to
cevante's
comment.
I
I
understand
his
point.
I
just
hope
that
after
we've
got
all
our
architects
lined
up
and
working
that
we
have
enough
money
left
to
pay
the
carpenters.
F
T
Yeah,
it's
it's
fair
trip,
it'll
be
necessary
and
yeah
agreed.
A
L
Thank
you,
yeah
local
automan,
section
c24
of
the
city
of
the
government
charter
regarding
the
examining
board
of
electricians,
change
of
residency
requirement
from
city
of
mexico
to
thompson's
county,
and
I
move
his
bridge.
A
Seconded
by
graham,
I
think,
joanne
is
here.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
on
this,
I
believe
we've
done
this
for
a
few
other
entities
where
there
has
been
a
significant
challenge
with
the
restricted
geographic
area
to
get
a
person
with
this
needed
qualification.
So
I
don't
know
if
joanne
you
wanted
to
talk
any
further
about
that.
W
No,
I
think,
you've
covered
it.
We
do.
We
just
really
need
to
have
a
full
board
and
we
can't
do
it
right
now,
with
the
restriction
for
city
residents.
A
Q
C
A
Okay,
are
we
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor
and
that's
unanimous?
Thank
you
thanks
joanne,
okay,
and
we
have
actually
three
probably
relatively
lengthy
discussion
items
on
our
agenda
here
for
this
evening,
so
we
are
going
to
start
with
the
telecommunications
facilities
and
services,
so
our
5g
conversation
and
just
to
remind
everybody
what
we're
the
purpose
of
tonight's
conversation
is
really
to
we'll
get
an
update
and
sort
of
an
overview.
Ari
will
give
us
a
little
context
and
then
we
want
to
document
any
questions
or
additional
information.
A
K
Sure,
thank
you
doug,
so
I'll
make
a
few
brief
comments
up
front
and
then
turn
it
over
to
council
or
the
committee
for
any
questions
that
you
want
to
compile
for
mr
kim
finale
I'll
start
by
saying,
reminding
us
that
mr
campanelli's
scope
did
not
include
drafting
actual
new
legislation
for
the
city.
It
involved
reviewing
the
existing
city
code
and
providing
advice
on
how
on
various
steps
we
might
want
to
take
which
you
can
see
in
his
and
his
advice
memo.
K
But
I
say
that
up
front
because
I
think
it
speaks
to
some
of
the
questions
that
were
posed
during
public
comment
tonight.
In
particular.
K
I'll
also
add
that
all
of
council's
specific
requests
of
a
number
of
months
ago
were
relayed
to
mr
campanelli
also
some
months
ago,
and
some
of
those,
as
you
can
see
from
the
public
comments,
are
reflected
in
his
advice
and
others
are
not,
which
I
think
is
basically
because
again
he's
not
the
one
who's
actually
drafting
the
new
legislation
under
the
scope
of
services,
at
least
that
we
have
with
him
at
the
moment.
K
In
terms
of
mr
campanelli
answering
the
committees
and
council's
questions,
we
have
asked
him.
Obviously
it
will
be
up
to
the
committee
what
you
want
to
do
next
month,
but
we
have
at
this
point,
asked
him
whether
he
would
be
available
to
attend
may
26th.
I
believe
it
is
for
the
admin
committee
and
his
answer
is
yes,
but
he
can
be
there
then.
So,
if
you
make
it
preferably
we
will.
K
I
would
hope
to
hear
a
decision
from
you
this
evening
about
whether
you
would
indeed
like
him
to
attend
next
month,
and
if
so,
we
will
go
ahead
and
confirm
that
with
you
and
let's
see
with
respect
to
the
public
comment
we
received
tonight,
I
think
there
were
three
areas
that
one
of
the
public
commenters
suggested
were
not
three
areas
that
had
been
put
on
the
list
by
council
at
the
area
the
council
wanted
to
address
that
were
believed
not
to
be
addressed
by
mr
campanelli's
memo.
K
I
believe
two
of
those
are
probably
correct:
the
replica
replicability
of
a
license
for
a
change
in
law
and
insurance
without
a
pollution
exclusion,
the
latter
of
those
two.
I
would
tell
you
the
kind
of
thing
that
he's
not
really
speaking
to
that's:
that's
for
us
to
address
and
draft
legislation,
that's
a
very
administrative
level
thing,
and
then
we
can
look
at
that.
The
revocability
for
a
though,
though
we
should
all
by
all
means
feel
free
to
discuss
it
with
him
when
he's
here
next
month.
K
If
anyone
would
like
to
as
well,
let's
see
what
he
has
to
say
the
irrevocability
for
a
change
in
law.
I
think
we
will
raise
with
him
again-
and
I
do
hope
to
hear
his
views
on
that
when
he's
here
sca
next
month
and
then.
K
Actually,
the
third
one
that
was
was
noted
by
a
public
commenter
not
to
have
been
addressed
by
mr
campanelli,
I
think,
actually
was
which
is
requiring
that
all
applications
are
submitted
on
penalty
of
perjury
for
a
license
for
a
four
or
five
day.
Installation
and.
S
K
That
is
there
in
that
latest
recommendation.
If
I
recall
correctly
in
terms
of
the
sort
of
bigger
picture
here,
I
want
to
remind
council
at
this
point.
We
city
staff
had
a
good
number
of
months
ago,
at
this
point
drafted
design
guidelines
that
we
put
forward.
K
I
still
think
there's
a
lot
of
value
to
a
lot
of
what
is
in
those
design
guidelines,
and
I
would
urge
us
not
to
simply
jettison
those,
but
rather
to
find
what
we
view
as
useful
for
mr
campanelli's
advice,
of
which
there's
quite
a
bit
to
be
sure
and
incorporate.
Then
you
know
take
the
best
of
both
and
perhaps
the
most
specific
area
that
you
will
have
seen
in
the
campanelli
memo
that
differs
from
the
approach
that
we
took
in.
K
What
I
think
is
a
very
productive
way
is
that
the
capinelli
memo
frames
city,
regulation
of
5g
installations
as
a
function
of
zoning
authority,
and
I
think
that's
an
important
sort
of
highlight
to
keep
in
our
minds
as
we
think
about
this,
particularly
in
the
functional
and
operational
sense
that
we
need
to
decide.
You
know
the
public
commenters
were
noting
this
tonight
and
we're
of
course
well
aware
of
it.
We
need
to
we
in
the
end,
it
won't
be
the
city
that
administers
this.
It
will
be
some
particular
bodies
of.
E
K
City,
whether
that's
you
know
a
city
planning
staff,
member
or
the
board
of
zoning
appeals
or
a
city
engineering
staff
member,
as
we
frame
this
as
a
zoning
authority
that
we're
dealing
with-
which
I
think
is
the
right
way
to
do
it,
and
that's
certainly
what
mr
campanelli
is
urging
us
to
do
at
this
point.
We
will
need
to
work
through
what
really
is
a
policy
level
choice
that
council
is
going
to
want
to
think
about
around
whether
it
is
a
planning
staff.
Member
who
rules
on
these
applications.
K
In
the
first
instance-
and
I
say,
planning
staff
we
certainly
have
been
considering
engineering
staff
previously,
but
once
this
gets
framed
as
a
zoning
issue-
and
I
know
that
my
office
has
been
having
conversations
with
joann's
office
about
this
issue
as
well,
once
it
gets
trained
as
a
zoning
issue,
it
seems
like
it's
going
to
need
to
exist
somewhere
in
the
planning
realm,
but
I'm
obviously
very
interested
to
I'm
here
joanne
further
thoughts
on
that,
and
and
so
then
you
have
the
planning
staff
question
option
or
you
have
the
bva
option.
E
K
E
K
Applications
maybe
may
help
better
manage
that
dynamic,
but
it
will
also
presumably
be
a
more
time
intensive
process,
so
that's
certainly
accessible,
but
where
we
want
to
go
and
with
that
I
will
pause
and
let
you
start
discussing
some
final
questions.
Thank
you.
A
W
I
don't
really
need
to
add
anything.
I
just
want
to
echo
a
lot
of
what
ari
said
and
I
think
there
are
some
decisions
to
be
made
about
how
we're
going
to
review
and
implement
these.
So
I'm
curious
to
hear
some
of
the
thoughts
of
council
members.
L
I
do
have-
and
I
might
be
in
the
minority
and
this
the
ref
any
references
to
visual
impact
and
property
values,
perpetuate
kind
of
a
nimby
attitude
that
I
joined
council
to
specifically
dispel.
So
they
are
not
amenable
to
me,
but
it's
already
in
our
code,
and
so
you
know
it
is
what
it
is,
and
it's
something
that
I
know
people
are
sensitive
to.
L
L
I
had
a
question
about
what
to
do
with
obsolete
technologies
with
regard
to
coverage,
so
verizon
will
be
discontinuing
3g
service.
Next
year,
because
I'm
sure
very
few
of
us
have
three
3g
phones
now,
and
so
we
will
expect
that
old
technologies
will
fall
off
and
I'm
just
curious
about
how
that'll
be
handled
with
regard
to
service
gaps,
and
I
think
this
next
thing
I
think
staff
could
just
answer
so.
L
The
1500
foot
notification
seemed
much
larger
than
the
notification
you
do
for
just
a
bza,
like
variance,
is
I'm
sorry,
variance
requests,
which
I
think
is
something
like
200
or
250
or
something,
and
so
for
the
sake
of
consistency,
I
don't
see
why
we
would
be
that
onerous
compared
to
our
other
requirements,
and
my
last
is
just
the
comments.
His
recommendation
for
ranked
ranking
sighting
locations,
I
think,
was
a
good
suggestion
in
general.
I
I
totally
agree
with
ari.
L
L
It
as
necessary-
and
I
I
also
support
you
know-
I
know
that-
there's
a
planning
board
meeting
last
night
that
was
four
and
a
half
hours,
and
so
I
support
planning
staff
handling
this
going
forward.
Just
you.
O
I
you
know
I've,
I've
read
the
report,
it
was
a
week
ago.
Now
I
don't
remember
everything
in
it.
The
thing
that
I
want
to
be
sure
about
is
how
close
these
antennas
can
be
to
somebody's
house
and
whether
or
not
they
actually
can
cause
harm
to
human
beings.
O
A
Ari
can
correct
me,
but
I
don't
believe
we
have
the
ability
to
make
the
determination
about
whether
or
not
it
is
a
health
concern
or
not.
I
believe
all
we
can
do
is
put
you
know
the
design
guidelines
together
related
to
aesthetics
and
distance
and
placement
and
those
kinds
of
things,
but
I
don't
think
we
are
allowed
to
make
any
specific
assertions
that
they
are
dangerous
or
not.
Am
I
right
ari.
N
K
We
can
do
that.
The
campanelli
memo
certainly
urges
us
to
do
is
to
require
a
very
specific
proof
of
the
radiation
levels
associated
with
each
installation
which
speaks
to
those
health
issues.
I
think
that's
an
important
element.
I
I'm
sure
that
mrs
campanelli
may
have
some
additional
things
to
say
in
response
to
that
question
george.
So
I
think
you
should
certainly
feel
free
to
engage
that
discussion
with
discussion
with
him
when
he's
here
next
month
as
well
and
as
far
as
the
undergrounding
of
utilities.
K
W
Right
and
those
are
special
sort
of
exclusion
zones
if
they
can
put
them
underground
and
they
can
work
that
way,
and
I
don't
know
if
they
can,
they
would
have
that
option,
but
but
where
we
have
underground
utilities,
these
things
will
not
be
put
on
poles
on
those
streets.
W
Well,
at
least
that's
the
plan
right
now
and
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
caution
something
you
said
george
is
you
know
most
of
these
will
be
in
the
city,
right-of-way,
meaning
they
will
be
in
tree
lawns
on.
You
know
whether
they're
on
new
poles
or
existing
poles,
it's
very
difficult,
particularly
in
the
flats,
to
find
pre-lawns
and
right-of-ways
that
aren't
you
know
very
close
to
to
homes
and
second-floor
windows.
X
Thank
you,
yeah
I've.
I
found
his
memo
to
be
very
informative.
Like
george,
I
read
it
a
while
ago,
so
I
I'm
starting
to
remember
everything
as
we're
talking
about
it.
The
maybe
this
is
a
broader
topic,
but
my
understanding
is
that
these
5g
facilities
in
order
to
install
them,
you
have
to
install
fiber
optic
cable
to
serve
the
5g
facility
and
then
in
terms
of
a
larger
question.
X
So
I
don't
want
to
lose
track
that,
as
we
talk
about
this
fiber
optics
is,
is
really
in
my
mind,
a
higher
priority
to
me
than
somebody
downloading
a
movie
while
they're
in
a
park.
I
I
wanted
to
touch
on
the
comment
that
we
had.
X
X
I'm
presuming
that,
since
we
are
talking
about
the
code
per
se,
this
expands
broader
than
the
license
agreement.
The
license
agreement
had
to
do
with
putting
facilities
in
the
right-of-way,
but
the
code
itself
is
going
to
apply
to
5g
facilities
even
on
private
property,
so
the
the
old
holiday
inn.
I
think
it's
called
hotel
ithaca
now.
X
So
what
can
we
do
not
only
to
maintain
and
and
regulate
the
number
of
facilities
in
close
proximity
to
each
other,
but
in
private
spaces,
making
sure
that
they
are
not
being
placed
immediately
adjacent
to
people's
not
only
residential
and
workspace,
but
also
transitory
space,
even
if
as
a
hotel
resident
that
you're
not
going
to
be
sleeping
under
these
facilities.
X
In
terms
of
process,
if
my
question,
I
guess
to
staff,
if
I'm
understanding
this
correctly,
then
is
we
should
when
we
speak
with
campanelli
next
month,
we
should
be
looking
at
both
the
code
changes
and
the
draft
design
guidelines
and
looking
at
them
simultaneously
and
asking
questions
in
terms
of
of
how
to
make
them
work
together,
I'm
getting
a
nod
from
joanne,
so
I
just
yeah.
W
And
I
think
a
lot
of
what
was
in
campanelli's.
Memo
can
be
inserted
into
the
design
guidelines
to
give
it
more
teeth,
as
well
as
the
ordinance
itself,
and
they
should,
of
course
be
one
sympathetic
to
the
other.
X
Okay,
so
reminding
ourselves
that
the
master
license
pertains
to
the
right-of-way.
The
design
guideline
is
going
to
pertain
across
the
city
as
well
as
the
code,
whether
it's
in
private
property
or
in
the
right
of
way
so
expanding.
How
we're
thinking
about
these
things,
because
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
confusion
and
then
going
back
to.
I
think
I
don't
know
that
the
question
was
asked
earlier,
but
I
think
it
was
in
addition
to
the
licensing
agreement
for
we
that
we
have
for
licenses
in
the
right-of-way
as
regulations
change.
X
Can
we
not
only
revoke
our
license
with
facilities
installed
in
the
right-of-way?
Can
we
compel
hotel
ithaca
to
remove
those
1314
facilities
immediately
adjacent
to
a
residential
unit,
as
we
put
these
regulations
in
place
to
to
monitor
the
amount
of
radiation
that
people
are
being
exposed
to,
and
so
that's
very
interested
in
that.
A
P
Thanks
deb,
hopefully
my
connection
will
stay
stable.
So
I
had
a
question
and
I
don't
have
a
copy
of
the
draft
design
guidelines.
I
appreciate
the
work.
That's
already
been
done
there,
but
can
I
firstly
ask
so,
would
those
guidelines
be
mandatory
or
what
would
be
because
often
design
guidelines
are
advisory
to
a
board
and
I'm
quite
comfortable,
I
think,
with
the
direction
that
ahri
had
indicated
about
having
planning
staff
or,
if
necessary,
planning
board,
but
certainly
planning
staff
oversee
this.
P
K
Would
be
mandatory,
I
think
it's
a
short
answer
that
they
would
be
the
rules
by
which
we
evaluated
each
application
and
the
campanelli
memo
is
urging
us
to
add
even
more
rules.
I
mean,
I
guess
it's
basically
way
to
say
that
even
more
requirements
for
the
applications
but
they're,
but
no.
This
is
not
like
sketch
plan,
where
you
get
some
ideas
that
are
given
to
you
and
you
think
about
them
and
incorporate
what
you
like.
It's
a
set
of
rules.
P
So
in
those
presumably,
we
could
come
up
with
some
specific
guidelines
about
you
know
spacing
between
antenna
and
stuff,
like
that,
in
terms
of
you
know
the
regulations
that
would
apply-
and
I
guess
in.
P
Oh
yeah
right,
so
I
guess
my
my
what
I'm
leading
to
is.
I
know
the
town
has
met
with
campanelli
and
they're
developing
their
set
of
guidelines.
So
I
I
guess
my
question
is:
what
plans,
if
any,
are
there
for
sort
of
coordinating
with
the
town?
In
terms
of
what
they're
beginning
to
to
work
on,
I.
P
Regulatory
kind
of
rules,
but
I
know
I
think
I
spoke
with
bill
goodman.
I
think
the
codes
and
ordinance
committee
are
meeting
in
may
to
kind
of
talk
about
their
general
direction,
and
so
it
would
seem
that
we,
at
very
least,
would
want
to
kind
of
make
sure
that
our
kind
of
recommendations
or
our
guidelines
are
somewhat
consistent
with
what
the
town
is
doing
I
mean
the
boundary
is
somewhat
artificial.
P
Obviously,
if
richard
explain
to
the
public,
you
know
why
we've
come
up
with
these
guidelines
and
perhaps
the
town
would
come
up
with
a
completely
inconsistent
set.
So
I
didn't
know
joanne.
If
there
were,
there
are
plans
for
kind
of
at
least
staying
as
these
parallel
paths
are
kind
of
developed
staying
in
touch
with
what
the
town
is
doing.
W
We
have
had
meetings
leading
up,
I
think,
to
the
campanelli
of
the
decision
to
to
engage
campanelli
in
this,
and
I
will
admit
I
haven't-
talked
to
them
recently
about
the
direction
they're
going
in.
I
know
they
opted
out
of
going
paying
for
campanelli
and
having
their
own
attorney
a
look
over
what
they
were
suggesting,
and
I
don't
have
a
clear
answer
than
that,
but
we
can
certainly
find
out
bill.
Goodman's
been
very
good
about
sharing
that
kind
of
information,
but
I
haven't
talked
to
him
recently.
P
Thanks
joanne,
yeah
and
just
finally
like
my
other
last
point,
is
this:
this
issue
about
proving,
I
guess,
what's
called
a
a
a
gap
in
service,
so
this
has
brought
been
brought
up
many
times,
but
I'm
unclear
about
where
that
sits
in
the
process
you
know.
There's
do
providers
have
to
prove
this
before
they
can
basically
apply
for
the
permit
or
or
and
and
if
so
would
we
be,
including
that
where
would
we
be,
including
that
kind
of
requirement
would
that
that
wouldn't
be
in
the
guidelines?
K
Well,
actually,
we
may
each
have
a
piece
of
this.
I
mean
I'll,
say
the
piece
that
I
think
probably
on
the
blend
is
to
say
that
that's
an
important
difference
between
the
campanelli
memo
recommendations
and
what
staff
had
put
forward
and
and
I'm
not
particularly
arguing
for
the
version
of
staff
at
first
put
forward
compared
to
campanelli's
recommendation
on
this
issue.
I'm
just
highlighting
the
difference.
K
K
The
staff
recommended
approach
had
been
one
in
which
an
application
came
forward
was
evaluated
under
all
the
relevant
rent
criteria,
and
if
the
application
was
denied,
then
the
applicant
would
have
an
opportunity
to
prove
a
gap
in
service
as
the
basis
for
attempting
to
override
the
city's
denial
of
their
application,
which
is
to
say
that
if
the
application
otherwise
met
all
the
criteria,
the
city
was
looking
for,
that
it
could
be
granted
without
needing
that
level
of
truth.
So
these.
K
A
it's
a
perfectly
relevant
policy
question
for
council
to
ask
itself
what
how
you
want
to
navigate
this.
That
doesn't.
I
think
there
was
also
a
planning
component
to
your
questions
just
now,
graham
and
I'll
refer
that
to
joanne.
W
Well,
I
was
going
to
say
currently
in
in
our
telecommunication
ordinance.
We
ask
for
proof
of
a
gap
in
coverage
and,
of
course
we're
lately.
W
I
mean
what
we
deal
with
mostly
are
insulation,
similar
to
what's
on
top
of
hotel,
ithaca
and
cynthia's
right,
I
mean
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
equipment
up
there,
including
you
know,
rooms
that
contain
the
the
equipment,
and
so
we
do
require
that
as
part
of
the
application
for
telecommunications
currently
now
with
5g,
I'm
not
sure
you
know,
I
guess
I
have
to
really
think
about
it.
W
The
problem
with
that
is,
you
know
we
are
not
experts
in
this
field
and
we
we
trust
the
information
that
the
applicants
are
giving
us,
but
really
we
have
to
take
them
at
their
word
and
because
we
really
don't
have
that
expertise
to
know.
If
this
is
correct
or
not.
P
Well,
I
I
guess
that
that's
the
question
I
would
like
to
to
kind
of
focus
on,
because
I'm
not
saying
there
are
some
people.
That
said,
you
certainly
shouldn't
trust
this
information
completely
being
one
of
them.
I
guess,
and
so
I
think
that's
something
I
would
certainly
like
to
explore.
P
Joanne
is,
is
you
know
I
would
want
these
kind
of
guidelines
and
regulations
to
be,
as
as
as
I
guess,
as
strict
as
possible
being
consistent
with
you
know,
providing
you
know
the
services,
and
I
think,
certainly
you
know
people
have
raised
this
about
the
fact
that
reports
have
been
falsified
and
that
kind
of
stuff.
So
to
me,
it
seems
like
a
reasonable
request
to
to
have
them
show
that
there
is
a
need
for
this,
that
there
is
this
gap
in
service,
especially
if
we
already
require
that
in
our
telecommunications
regulation.
P
X
Well
and
just
pointing
to
that
campanelli
mentions
the
possible
requirement
of
under
penalty
of
perjury
and
sworn
verification
attached
to
their
application,
and
I
do
want
you
know.
I
do
recall
I
want
to
say
it
was
about
12
years
ago
there
was
an
application
to
put
in
a
huge
cell
tower
at
aldi's.
X
W
X
W
A
A
Any
other
clarifications
or
questions
on
this
so
back
to
what
ari
sort
of
originally
charged
us
with
here.
It
sounds
to
me
like
we
do
want
to
invite
mr
campanello
to
next
month's
meeting.
Okay,
so
I
think
what
would
make
the
most
sense
at
this
point
is:
if
we
can
work
to
put
sort
of
this
list
of
issues
slash
questions
together,
it
might
make
sense
to
send
them
to
him
ahead
of
time.
A
So
so
he
was
able
to
give
us
any,
and
you
know
additional
clarification
or
information,
and
then
certainly
we
can
open
the
floor
to
anyone
who
has
questions
new
questions
that
might
arise
when
he's
here.
So
I
think
what
I
will
probably
recommend
is
that
we
put
that
at
the
front
of
our
agenda.
Just
if
we're
inviting
him
as
a
guest
for
city
administration.
Maybe
we
will
just
have
a
special
topic
as
our
first
agenda
item,
we,
I
think
we
thought
tonight's
agenda
would
be
light.
A
So
the
last
thing
I
would
want
to
make
him
do
is
wait
through
whatever
may
be
waiting
for
us
for
may
city
administration.
So,
if
that's
agreeable
with
everyone,
we'll
just
kind
of
do
special
topic
as
our
as
our
first
item
on
city
administration,
is
there
anything
else
that
we
need
from
staff
or
any
questions
about
process
or
timeline
at
this
point,
while
we
have
both
joanne
and
ari,
I
just
want
to
make
sure
we
are.
You
know
crossing
all
our
t's
and
dotting
all
of
our
eyes
at
this
point
in
the
process.
Graham.
W
W
Just
did
want
to
mention
is
that
in
campanelli's
memo
he
has
suggested,
or
other
municipalities
have
used
the
special
permit
process
in
order
to
approve
these.
Some
time
ago,
we
gave.
W
That
the
special
permit
authority
to
the
planning
board
because
it
fell
a
lot.
So
I
just
wanted
to
remind
people
of
that
and
we
are
having
internal
discussions
about
where
it
should
go
on.
The
review
of
this.
K
And
actually
thanks,
john,
that's
a
good
point,
and
I
think
one
question
that
we
may
want
to
ask
cam
nelly
when
he's
with
us
next
month
is
what
is
he
referring
to
when
he
says
a
special
permit?
I
won't
so
sure
in
my
office
that
he's
referring
to
what
the
city.
I
K
The
other
comments-
I
perhaps
hesitate
a
little
bit
about
this,
but
I
think
it's
worth
throwing
into
the
mix
is
graham.
You
were
just
saying
a
few
minutes
ago
that
you
would
want
to
see
the
most
response,
like
graham,
maybe
frozen.
K
I
wonder
if
you
can
hear
me
at
the
moment,
but
I
hope
so
graham
was
saying
that
he'd
like
to
see
the
most
restrictive
version
of
of
the
legally
available
approaches
taken
by
the
city
here,
and
I
guess
I
want
to
flag
as
what
really
amounts
to
a
policy
level
question
for
council,
but
also
a
question
that
we
may
want
to
ask
mr
campanelli,
when
he's
with
us
next
month,
is,
if
you
take
the
most
restrictive
approach,
will
you
actually
get
a
5g
rollout
in
ithaca,
and
I
know
that
there
are
many
folks
who
don't
want
a
five
he
roll
out
in
ethical,
I'm
not
campaigning
one
way
or
another.
K
I'm
simply
flagging
that
that
is
an
element
that
council
and
mr
campadelli
may
want
to
evaluate,
as
you
make
some
decisions
around
what
you're
doing
here,
because
it
may
be
that
the
most
legally
available
restrictive
the
most
legally
available
restrictive
version
of
these
guidelines
would
dissuade
much,
if
not
most,
of
a
5d
rollout
in
ithaca.
And
that
may
be
a
good
thing.
A
F
O
Muted,
so
this
is
gonna
showcase,
my
ignorance,
but
that's
never
stopped
me
before.
O
O
Would
better
broadband
make
5g
less
needed
by
the
people
who
want
it
and
that's
one
point
I'd
like
to
raise,
and
the
other
is
something
that
duck
has
said
more
than
once
that
new
technology
is
often
got
a
lot
of
lousy
features
at
the
beginning,
and
then
people
make
it
better
and
better
and
better
so
does
it
make
any
sense
to
just
say:
let's
wait
for
6g
or
7g
before
we
commit
our
community
to
this
new
technology.
A
L
I
don't
know
that
I
am,
but
I
will
say
that
I've
long
thought
that
they
are
apples
and
marriages
and
from
public
comment
and
comments
amongst
our
colleagues
I
mean
I
use
broadband
at
home
and
fiber
would
be
great,
and
you
know
george
and
I
on
this
committee,
to
try
to
expand
it
throughout
the
county.
I
know
that
our
neighbors
in
fall.
Creek
are
about
to
get
service
from
fiber
spark,
and
I'm
very
excited
about
that
so
yeah.
We
should
absolutely
encourage
the
whole
lot
of
fiber
and
the
even
better
non-profit
provider
of
that.
L
But
when
I'm
outside
the
house,
I
use
wireless
cellular
technology-
and
you
know
I
don't
have
a
particular
attachment
to
5g,
but
there's,
certainly
when
there
are
large
events,
including
like
I
mentioned
the
farmers
market.
L
There
are
real
capacity
issues
and
I
don't
know
that
we
need
5g
to
solve
them,
but
kind
of
blanket
second
classing
of
mobile
technology
when
it's
such
a
huge
part
of
our
daily
lives
doesn't
seem
productive.
Today.
My
opinion.
A
X
X
So
I
think
we
can
have
protective,
seek
protective
legislation
that
also
can
provide
services
where
it's
most
likely,
that
demand
is
going
to
be
highest
and
and
keeping
that
as
a
goal,
I
think,
satisfies
all
of
our
our
intent.
W
If
I
may,
I
think
that's
another
questions
for
campanelli
or
another
expert,
and
I
don't
know-
and
the
word
I
was
looking
for
before
was
a
repeater
which
takes
a
signal
on,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
can,
you
know
confine
5g
or
small
cells
to
a
certain
area.
I
just
don't
know
if
that
would
work,
and
maybe
that
is
definitely
something
if
it
would
work
is
something
to
consider.
X
W
Like
to
take
the
lead,
the
notes
for
the
questions
will
it
come
out,
certainly
willing
to
put
my
notes
down
and
I'll
put
them.
You
know,
send
them
around
and
people
can
add
to
them.
I
just
didn't
know
what
the
next
step
was
for
the
meeting
next
month
when
we
do
have
campanelli
here.
K
A
F
A
Okay,
so
I've
been
taking
notes,
joanne's
been
taking
notes,
ari's
been
taking
notes
if
joanne
and
r
you
want
to
send
them
to
me.
Okay,
what
I
can
do
is
put
them
together,
send
them,
or
we
can
send
them
around,
to
count
for
comment
and
then
to
me
it
makes
sense.
Whoever
has
been
the
point
of
contact
for
mr
campanelli
thus
far,
should
then
send
what
we
compile
yeah
yeah.
K
Yeah
yeah.
No,
I
agree.
That's
what
I
was
about
to
say.
So
that's
my
office.
That
was
that
we
would.
We
would
service
that
point
of
contact
and
that's
fine,
so
yeah
sure
I'll,
send
you.
I've
got
some
pretty
detailed
notes
here,
but
I'll
send
them
to
you
deb
and
await
your
final
version.
That
you'd
like
us
to
provide
to
him.
A
A
All
right,
so
we
still
do
have
two
significant
items
on
our
agenda
for
this
evening.
So
I
does
anyone
need
a
a
break
like
a
one
to
two
minute
break.
I
actually
do
I'm
just
gonna
step
out
for
one
minute.
So
how
about
we
just
do
a
quick,
two
minute
stretch
and
then
come
back.
C
B
A
Guess
we
do
have
these
two
additional
items.
I
know
the
governance
working
group
is
going
to
present
sort
of
its
first
initial
findings
and
some
recommendations
on
city
manager,
city
governance.
So
we
have
that
and
then
we
also
have
the
matcom
group
has
completed
their
work
with
the
snow
removal
survey.
So
they
also
have
a
presentation
for
us
this
evening.
A
Wishful
thinking
would
have
us
out
of
here
by
10
or
10
30
if
we
did
both
of
those
things
this
evening,
so
I'm
just
shaking
the
temperature
of
everyone.
That's
here,
while
also
acknowledging
that
both
the
city
manager,
city,
governance,
working
group
and
matcom
have
put
a
lot
of
work
into
the
presentations
for
this
evening.
So,
let's
see
wherever
everybody's
at.
P
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
continue.
Maybe
we
could
have
a
two-minute
break
or
something
or
just
for
a
bathroom
break.
A
I've,
yes,
but
that's
not
entirely
up
to
me,
that's
entirely
where
we
go
with
the
discussion
so.
A
P
P
A
F
A
Oh
you're,
here,
okay,
okay,
so
we
have
a
few.
I
think
we
have
a
few
options,
I'll
say
a
few
things
and
then
we'll
see
what
our
choices
are.
So
the
first
thing
I
want
to
say
is:
I
know
that
there's
been
some
frustration
with
the
commissions.
I
know
they
are
still
trying
to
do
work
behind
the
scenes.
The
pandemic
has
certainly
impacted
their
ability
to
function.
A
A
That
being
said,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
the
group
that
has
put
information
together
has
a
robust
discussion
and
the
full
attention
of
counsel
and
our
ability
to
really
engage
in
a
conversation
around
a
really
important
topic.
So
I
think
we
want
to
think
about
what
what
is
our
capacity
at
this
point
on.
You
know
if
we
already
have
hit
the
nine
o'clock
mark
there's
so
there's
that
piece.
A
The
next
piece
is,
there
is,
was
also
a
suggestion
that
perhaps
the
city
manager,
city
governance
structure
is
important
enough
for
all
10
council
members
to
hear
so
did
we
want
to
convene
a
special
meeting
just
an
hour
special
meeting
on
just
that
topic?
So
that
was
another
suggestion
and
then
I
guess
the
last
direction
we
could
go
is
put
really
strict
tight
timelines
on
both
topics
and
go
from
there.
So
looking
for
your
opinion-
and
maybe
we
can
come
to.
A
N
Thanks
deb
and
thanks
always
to
staff,
who
put
in
a
lot
of
time
and
and
long
hours
on
all
the
topics
that
we've
been
discussing
tonight.
It
is
often
hard
to
predict
exactly
how
long
our
meetings
will
go
and
I
think
it
is
important
that
we
have,
as
you
said,
robust
discussions
on
important
topics.
I
would
hate
to
see
topics
that
both
staff
and
volunteers,
speaking
about
the
commissions,
have
dedicated
a
lot
of
time.
N
A
Q
Yeah,
thank
you
laura.
That
was
well
said,
and
I
support
that.
I,
the
idea
I
I
would
note
that
the
there
is
a
time
sensitivity
around
the
government
working
structure
having
been
one
of
the
people
who's
working
with
that.
So
if
we
were
to
accept
the
idea
of
a
committee
of
the
whole,
I
think
we'd
we'd
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
something
we
could
actually
pull
off
relatively
quickly,
so
whether
it's
either
steals
some
time
away
from
the
council's
meeting
or
takes
advantage
of
the
week
off
after
the
council
meeting.
Q
But
but
beyond
that
gets
trickier
in
our
ability
to
be
the
timeline
that
we've.
You
would
see
tonight
in
the
presentation.
A
N
I'm
sorry
if
let
me
just
clarify,
I
would
of
the
two
topics
that
we
have
still
on
the
agenda
tonight.
N
I
would
prefer
my
preference
would
be
to
hear
from
the
governance
working
group
because
of
that
time,
sensitivity
and
to
hold
until
the
next
ca
meeting
and
perhaps
ask
if
it
would
be
possible
to
put
the
matcom
presentation
earlier
on
the
agenda
at
the
next
ca
meeting,
so
that
we
would
have
full
attention
and
participation.
So
tonight,
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
governance
working
group-
that's
my
preference.
A
Okay,
so
let's
do
that,
I
see
hector,
I
think
you're
here.
A
So
thank
you,
but
I
think
what
we'll
do
is
put
you
well.
You
can't
be
first
on
the
city
administration
committee
because
we
just
promised
that
to
our
the
the
lawyer,
who's
been
working
on
the
5g
topic,
so
you
can
be
second
on
the
city
administration
agenda
and
we'll
go
with
that.
Okay,
all
right!
So
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
here.
A
N
A
Okay,
great
I'm
going
to
go
through
this
relatively
quickly.
I
will
send
the
slides
around
to
everyone
when,
when
the
meeting
is
over
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
the
mayor
charged
us
in
sort
of
the
state
of
the
city,
he
convened
a
group
right
now.
That
group
consists
of
myself
rob
donna,
seth
and
dan
and
shelly
have
been
working
on
this.
A
A
We
are
looking
at
an
increase
or
reduction
in
the
mayor's
role,
responsibility,
salary,
etc,
really,
an
analysis
of
the
mayor's
role
and
then
we're
also
looking
specifically
at
the
staffing
of
the
mayor's
office
or
the
structure
and
staffing
of
what
would
be
a
chief
executive's
staff.
So
that
is
is
what
we
we
took
a
look
at.
A
We
wanted
to
just
give
you
a
quick
overview,
so
everyone
understands
where
we
are
so
the
current
structure
structure
the
mayor
currently
functions
at
as
what
you
would
traditionally
call
a
chief
executive
officer
and
right
now,
the
acting
mayor
and
the
alternate
acting
mayor,
they're
appointed
from
council.
We
all
know
this
and
the
mayor
chairs
the
council,
but
only
votes
in
the
event
of
a
5-5
tie.
A
A
The
chief
of
staff
and
the
executive
assistant
salaries
are
listed
there
and
then
just
to
remind
everyone
that
the
city
attorney,
the
chief
of
staff
and
the
executive
assistant
are
these
at
will
mayoral
appointments
right
now,
so
they're,
essentially
only
bound
by
what
the
mayor
at
the
time
you
know
who
the
mayor
chooses
or
or
decides
to
ask
to
leave
and
all
department
heads
right
now
also
report
directly
to
the
mayor.
That's
our
current
structure.
A
We
wanted
to
go
through
those
of
you
who
may
not
be
familiar
with
this.
There
are
actually
formal
forms
of
government
that
are
defined
by
very
specific
characteristics,
we're
going
to
only
go
through
a
couple
of
them.
I'm
not
going
to
read
this
slide
to
you,
we'll
just
hit
the
highlights
of
this
one.
So
this
is
what
we
would
say
is
closest
to
what
our
current
structure
is.
Is
the
mayor
council
form
of
government,
you
have
a
mayor,
that's
elected
separately
from
the
council,
often
full-time
and
paid
with
significant
administrative
budgetary
authority.
A
We
aren't
really
going
to
get
into
this.
Is
this
a
weak
mayor
or
a
strong
mayor,
but
those
are
sort
of
nuances
to
this
mayor
council
form
of
government
and
if
you'll
notice,
there
are
some
linked
resources
on
the
bottom
of
this
page
that
you
can
click
on
to
learn
more
about
the
different
forms
of
government
and
then
some
cities
appoint
a
professional
manager
who
maintains
limited
administrative
authority?
I
would
say
that
that
would
be
what
our
current
situation
is
with
the
with
the
chief
of
staff
and
then
you'll
see.
A
This
is
the
second
most
common
form
of
government.
It's
common
in
older,
larger
cities
or
in
small
cities,
which
is
sort
of
what,
where
we
find
ourselves
the
next
form
of
government.
We
want
to
talk
about
because
you'll
see
that
we'll
be
making
some
recommendations
potentially
to
move
in
this
direction.
A
So
this
is
the
council
manager
form
of
government
city
council
overseas
general
administration
makes
the
policy
sets
the
budget
and
the
council
itself
would
appoint
a
city
manager
and
that
city
manager
would
then
become
sort
of
the
chief
executive
officer
in
council
manager
form
of
government.
Often
the
mayor
is
chosen
from
council
and
then,
according
to
this
international
city,
county
management
association.
This
is
the
most
common
form
of
government
currently,
and
you
can
see
the
statistics
there
and
again.
A
If
you
want
to
read
more,
I
am
not
going
into
these
because
they
are
much
more
rare
and
not
really
relevant
to
our
discussion.
But
just
so
you
know,
the
other
two
forms
of
government
are
commissioned
form
of
government
and
then
a
town
meeting
or
a
representative
town
meeting
form
of
government
in
the
interest
of
time.
We
won't
go
through
this,
but
you
can
read
it
when
we
send
it
out.
A
What
are
the
challenges?
We've
sort
of
identified
at
this
point,
the
mayor
currently
manages
over
400
employees
in
11
departments
with
12
direct
reports.
A
There
are
also
18
city
facilities
that
are
covering
a
lot
of
different
types
of
activities,
diversity
and
activity,
and
then
a
lot
of
just
infrastructure
in
general,
and
then
the
preparation
and
administration
of
approximately
79
million
dollar
budget.
A
Currently
the
mayor
is
elected,
so
it's
not
like
there's
a
job
description
is
not
required
to
have
relevant
administrative
experience.
It's
just
whoever
happens
to
be
elected
in
in
that
given
term
four-year
terms,
in
some
circumstances
can
lead
to
instability
in
administrative
oversight
and
accountability,
especially
with
the
at-will
situation
of
certain
appointments,
especially
knowing
that
a
mayor
could
come
on
board
and
just
decide.
They
don't
need
any
of
those
particular
positions
and
not
even
put
anybody
in
them.
A
Chief
of
staff
is,
is
at
will
and
right
now
short
of
what
happens.
Is
the
the
mayor
has
delegated
a
few
supervisory
authority
sort
of
over
to
our
chief
of
staff,
but
sometimes
that
sort
of
causes,
like
we
say,
lack
of
clarity
and
reporting
structure
and
a
little
bit
of
a
gray
area
for
sort
of
the
hierarchy
of
of
who's
in
charge
or
who's
responsible
and
the
compensation
that
we
currently
have
on
the
books
for
the
mayors
really
doesn't
align
with
the
responsibilities
of
what
we
ask
of
that
position.
Currently.
A
A
Then
the
other
adjustment
would
be
that
the
mayor
would
become
a
voting
member
of
council,
but
we
did
sort
of
retain
the
leadership
role
of
sort
of
a
chief,
elected
official
role
of
the
mayor.
So
mayor
would
remain
chief
elected
official
and
would
still
kind
of
chair
council
and
set
the
agenda
what
we
have
not
yet
really
drilled
down
into
specifically.
But
I
know
donna
and
some
other
members
of
the
committee
have
been
working
to
really
kind
of
dig
through
the
code
and
charter
to
look
right
now.
What
are
the
defined
responsibilities?
A
We
also
want
to.
We
don't
know
yet
what
an
appropriate
level
staffing
would
be
to
support
the
new
structure.
We
wanted
some
feedback
on
that,
but
if
you
look
at
this
from
other
other
cities
and
how
they're
structured,
you
certainly
don't
have
a
city
manager
without
any
support
staff,
so
there
is
definitely
going
to
be
a
need
for
some
sort
of
additional
restructuring
of
what
does
the
mayor's
office
look
like
and
how
is
it
staffed?
Does
it
need
to
be
staffed?
A
We
have
a
chief
of
staff
why
there
is
a
distinction
between
a
chief
of
staff
and
a
city
manager.
I'm
not
going
to
read
all
of
these
things
again.
You
can
see
this
chart,
but
there
are
definitely
some
nuances
between
how
we
currently
our
hierarchy
is
structured
with
the
chief
of
staff
versus
what
we
might
be
recommending
for
a
city
manager.
So
again,
I
will
send
this
around,
but
you
can
see
we're
looking
at
who
they
are
appointed
by
a
disciplinary
authority.
A
Scope
of
responsibilities,
education,
level
years
of
experience,
budget
responsibility
and
sort
of
staff
support
are
the
different
comparisons
that
we
looked
at
for
both
of
those
positions
and
then
just.
Lastly,
we
wanted
to
show
you
what
what
our
timeline
was.
The
reason
we
are
looking
at
this
is
because
we
are
hoping
that
this
will
end
up
going
to
referendum
in
november,
and
we
will
need
to
have
a
part
of
our
discussion
this
evening
about
exactly
what
we
think
the
timeline
should
be
for
when
this
would
actually
take
effect.
A
We've
spoken
specifically
with
a
couple
of
experts
from
this
icma
organization,
and
we
did
come
to
find
out
that
there's
one
of
them,
that's
actually
right
in
our
backyard
at
cornell,
so
we're
hoping
to
extend
an
invitation
to
that
person
to
do
a
couple
of
community
forums,
really
talk
specifically
about
the
different
forms
of
government
and
the
benefits
and
and
challenges
of
all
of
them,
and
and
why
cities
have
utilized
one
form
over
another.
Allow
the
public
to
have
some
input.
Ask
some
questions.
A
We're
looking
at
the
plan
and
charter
change
is
to
be
brought
to
a
vote
at
the
june
city
administration
meeting
for
a
final
vote
at
council
and
then
clearly
we
will
need
time
to
prepare
what
the
actual
referendum,
how
that
would
read
the
language
that
would
be
used
for
that,
and
we
certainly
need
to
do
a
public
information
campaign
to
make
sure
that
everybody
understood
what
this
was
on
the
ballot
and
what
the
change
would
be
and
then
november
would
be
when
the
referendum
would
end
up
on
the
ballot.
A
That
is
way
faster
than
I
intended
to
go
through
this
presentation.
But
I
wanted
essentially
what
we
are
looking
for
this
evening
is
kind
of
a.
N
A
Light
yellow
light
red
light.
You
know
what
is
it
that
you're
thinking
about
this?
Do
you
have
any
questions?
What
additional
information
might
you
need?
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing
my
screen
at
this
point
and
then
just
sort
of
take
the
temperature
of
of
what
you're
all
what
you're
all
thinking
at
this
moment.
I
also
wanted
to
give
the
mayor
and
dan
an
opportunity
to
weigh
in
because
they
are
currently
in
these
some
of
these
roles
that
we
were
talking
about.
C
I'll
just
add
that
I
mean
that
essentially,
the
the
county,
the
tompkins
county,
has
essentially
a
city
manager,
form
of
government.
I
mean
he's
called
the
county
administrator,
but
for
all
intents
and
purposes
the
the
the
county
administrator
is
the
chief
executive
and
and
is
and
is
appointed
by
the
county
legislature,
and
so
that
you
know
it's
it's
for
the
county.
But
it
is
the
form
of
government
that
we're
talking
about.
T
Yeah
I
want
to
thank
the
the
committee
for
the
the
report
very
thorough,
well
reasoned
well
presented.
You
could
tell
that
deb
was
involved
in
this
committee,
because
the
powerpoint
game
is
just
on
point,
and
I
think
I
mean
I
think,
there's
a
reason
that
most
cities
our
size
have
city
manager
roles.
T
There
is
attention-
and
I'm
sure
we'll
see
this
as
we
engage
in
the
public
conversation
between
voters
feeling
like
they
have
maximum
access
and
influence
over
the
folks
who
run
city
hall
and
the
most
professional
and
efficient
possible
city
administration,
and
but
I
trust
the
work
of
this
working
group.
I
think
this
is
a
smart
approach.
I
I'd
support
it.
It's
certainly
the
the
challenges
laid
out.
T
You
know
when
you
put
all
on
one
slide:
the
number
of
staff
you
have
to
supervise
in
departments
I
break
out
in
sweats,
because
the
the
challenges
under
the
current
system-
it
just
is
not
working
as
well
as
it
should,
and
I-
and
I
thought
you
know
I'll
confess-
that
when
charging
this
committee,
I
thought
this
was
one
of
the
two
possible
outcomes.
T
Either
we
shift
we
stay
with
the
mayor
council
form
of
government,
but
shift
towards
an
even
stronger
mayor
system
in
which
we
give
the
mayor
more
administrative
support
and
the
greater
power
and
influence
over
department
heads
or
we
shift
this
way,
which
is
towards
a
a
council
manager
form
and
try
to
really
truly
stay
agnostic
and
see
what
the
the
committee
thinks
and
and
if
this
is
their
direction.
I
support
that.
A
Q
All
right,
yeah,
I'm
not
sure
how
much
you
touched
on
this
deb
or
nor
how
much
of
it
we
should
be
talking
about
at
the
moment.
But
but
I
think
it
is
important
to
remember
that,
there's
a
different
there.
There
may
be
a
difference
between
us
committing
to
this
new
structure
and
us
implementing
this
new
structure
and
and
so
to
george's
point,
which
I
think
is
a
very
valid
point.
Q
A
We
certainly
cannot
function
without
someone
in
this
role,
so
I
think
we've
proven
that
we
do
need
some
level
of
executive
support
at
the
city
and
so
clearly
we're
going
to
need
to
put
somebody
in
this
role
and
at
a
bare
minimum
this
wouldn't
take.
In
I
mean
this
has
to
go
all
the
way
through
the
referendum
process,
etcetera,
etcetera.
So
we
certainly
couldn't
go
the
rest
of
this
year
without
someone
in
the
chief
of
staff
role,
and
I
think
what
we
could
look
at
is
what
would
the
transition
period
be
for
that
person?
A
Would
that
person
potentially
function
as
an
interim
city
manager?
While
we
put
some
of
the
other
pieces
in
place
what
you
know,
what
could
that
look
like,
and
I
think
we
need
to
think
about
the
the
pros
and
cons
of
disrupting
a
current
mayor's
term?
You
know
that
to
some
degree
it
might
make
sense
to
have
that
happen
off
term,
but
there
is
another
argument
for
maybe
having
this
take
effect
when
that
this
particular
this
term
is
over
so
and
then
the
other
thing
we
didn't
really
touch
on
is.
A
We
are
also
headed
into
the
redistricting
conversation
and
the
redistricting
work
that
we
will
be
undertaking.
So
what
we
are
hoping
is
that
we
have
a
clear
direction
for
the
structure
of
city
government
in
place
kind
of
before
that
redistricting
work
starts
to
happen,
so
those
are
just
some
additional
thoughts,
but
those
of
us
on
the
committee
have
talked
about
this
ad
nauseam.
So
I
would
really
love
to
hear
from
those
of
you
that
are
not
on
the
committee
jackson.
L
A
L
So
it's
interesting
that
in
your
recommendation
we
go.
We
go
council
manager
but
still
have
an
elected
mayor
and
I'm
curious
what
you
see.
The
mayor's
role
is-
and
I
mean
not
to
put
savante
on
the
spot
for
any
future
plans,
but,
like
just
kind
of
you
know,
theoretically
what
what
would
the
appeal
be
of
being
a
mayor
under
the
scheme?
T
Yeah,
well,
I'm
I'm
on
the
record,
as
my
intention
is
to
to
serve
ten
terms,
though-
and
this
is
only
my
third-
so
I'm
I'm
getting
into
social
security,
at
least
yeah,
and
I
think
that's
as
dad
mentioned
donna's
coming
through
the
charter
to
see
if
you
take
out
the
direct
management
and
supervision
of
employees
what's
left,
I
can
tell
you
that
what
comes
to
mind
is
two
tracks.
First,
is
the
legislative
track?
T
So,
besides
sharing
the
council
meetings
right
now,
I
also
chair
the
iura
meetings,
as
well
as
the
board
of
public
works
meetings,
as
well
as
represent
the
city
at
a
host
of
of
neighborhood
association
and
gosh,
from
the
iura
or
from
the
tcad
to.
T
I
mean
there
are
more
meetings
than
than
than
you
might
even
know
about,
and
I
think
there
will
be
a
still
be
a
need
for
that
and
to
have
a
an
elected
official
who
spends
a
fair
amount
of
their
time.
Doing
that,
as
well
as
recommending
appointments,
for
example,
maybe
the
liaison
appointments
from
common
council
members
to
those
boards
may
be
best
if
that
flows
from
an
elected
official
instead
of
from
a
city
manager
whose
position
depends
on
common
council
all
being
happy
with
them.
You
know,
I
also
think
there's
so
so.
T
That's
the
chief
legislative
officer,
there's
also
kind
of
a
chief,
certainly
a
better
word
for
cheerleader
for
the
city,
but
chief
public
official
for
the
city,
so
ribbon
cuttings
speeches
and
rotaries
things
like
that
that
I
know
to
use
the
the
analogy
that
dan
was
just
talking
about
with
the
county.
Jason
molino
is
not
only
uninterested
in
but
unable
to
do,
while
still
managing
all
of
the
staff
that
they
have
to
manage
over
there.
T
So
I
could
imagine
for
for
terms
fourth
through
10,
that
mayor's
responsibilities
would
look
like
still
attending
a
ton
of
legislative
meetings
as
well
as
performing
public
responsibilities
and
serving,
as
you
know,
something
of
a
both
a
lightning
rod
for
criticism
and
for
good
ideas.
You
know
attracting
all
of
the
the
the
positive
attention
that
a
mayor
can
attract
and
recruiting
people
to
work
for
the
city
and
volunteer
for
the
city,
etc.
L
A
And
I
think
we're
looking
at
it
as
we're.
The
city
is
still
going
to
need
sort
of
an
ambassador
and
an
advocate
even
outside
of
the
city
arena
right.
So
one
of
the
things
I
think
we
have
been
able
to
do
well
in
the
past
few
years
is,
is
that
intentional
networking
in
albany
and
dc
and
figuring
out
if
we
can
get
additional
monies
flowing?
A
So
one
of
the
ways
we
were
trying
to
look
at
this
balance
is
in
looking
at
how
what
we
think
would
be
not
really
the
path
of
least
resistance,
but
the
one
that
make
the
most
sense
is
that
we
think
it
might
be
too
jarring
all
at
once
to
do
a
big
change
and
then
also
eliminate
the
the
mayor's
position
as
well.
That
doesn't
mean
that
down
the
road
if
additional
redistricting
conversations
or
additional
things
change
that
we
would
not
maybe
want
to
look
at
this
again.
A
But
for
now
we
felt
like
that
was
there
wasn't
as
much
data
and
rationale
behind
getting
rid
of
a
mayor's
position
versus
implementing
a
city
manager
position,
and
so
one
way
to
look
at
it
is
really
what
we're
taking.
What
we're
doing
is
what
are
all
of
the
external
facing
responsibilities,
and
they
would
probably
mostly
remain
on
the
mayor's
side
and
what
are
the
internal
facing
responsibilities
and
they
might
end
up
on
city
manager's
side
kind
of
looking
at
it
like.
P
A
U
Dab
mostly
said
what
I
wanted
to
say,
but
I'd
clarify
that
we
did
there's
two.
Even
under
this
council
manager
model
one
can
have
a
mana
one
can
have
a
mayor,
who's
elected
out
of
the
body
of
council.
Much
like
leslie
was
elected
out
of
the
county
legislature
or
you
can
have,
as
we've
recommended
the
mayor
elected
by
the
electorate,
and
that's
to
deb's
point
that
we
thought
it
would
be
less
jarring
to
the
public
to
have
that.
U
They
feel
like
they're,
electing
the
mayor,
then
that
the
common
council
is
electing
the
mayor,
but
there's
I
don't
know
that
it
makes.
I
think
you
could
argue
either
way.
But
that
was
the
rationale
we
came
down
on
that
the
mayor
would
be
continue
to
be
elected
by
the
electorate
rather
than
by
the
council.
A
P
Yeah
thanks
deb
and
thanks
to
the
working
group
I
mean
you
said
that
was
a
rush
presentation.
I
didn't
absorb
it
all,
but
I
think
it
was
a
really
good
summary
of
of
the
great
work
that
you've
done.
I
I
guess
to
george's
point
I
I
am
a
little
bit
anxious
about
the
timeline.
You
know.
B
P
On
you
know
the
input
we
got
while
we
were
doing
the
reimagining
process,
I
mean.
Obviously,
if
we
stick
to
this
timeline,
all
of
this
public
input
is
going
to
be
likely
to
be
remote.
There's
not
going
to
be
any
in-person
meetings
in
the
next
few
months.
It's
my
understanding,
but
maybe
that
will
change,
and
you
know
so
that
to
me
is
a
concern
that
we
give
people
enough
opportunity
to
really.
P
This
is
an
important
recommended
change
and
if
we're
talking
about
a
referendum
in
november
that
really
does
kind
of
set
the
direction
I
mean,
I
think
rob
had
said.
Yes,
we
we're
not
going
to
implement
this
for
a
couple
of
years,
but
once
we
go
down
that
path
and
we
get
the
input
from
from
the
referendum
that
that
kind
of
sends
us
in
that
direction-
and
I
I
guess
I'm
at
this
stage
a
little
bit
anxious
that
we
wouldn't
have
enough
opportunity
for
kind
of
public
input
on
this.
So
that's
my
first
reservation.
P
The
second
comment
I
wanted
to
make
is
that
I
definitely
feel
that
we
need
to
change
the
current
structure.
I
mean
it's.
It's
apparent.
The
shortcomings
of
the
current
system-
and
I
guess
I'd
like
to
hear
about
this
balance
between
the
the
kind
of
new
mayor's
position,
if
you
like,
and
the
city
manager
in
terms
of
I
think,
if
somebody
said
well
what's
in
it
for
the
mayor
kind
of
thing,
I
mean
how
much
kind
of
influence
we've
looked
at
this,
presumably
and
talked
about
it
a
lot.
P
But
do
you
feel
there's
a
good
balance
between
those
two
positions
and
that
we're
not
my?
I
guess
my
immediate
concern
is
that
the
city
manager
becomes
almost
too
kind
of
powerful.
I
mean,
there's
always
a
joke.
You
know
like
in
the
english
civil
service
that
basically
nothing
happens
because
the
civil
service
runs
everything
and
the
mayor's
the
prime
ministers
come
and
go.
But
you
know
they've
got
their
agenda,
so
it's
important
to
get
that
balance.
A
Sure
I'll
talk
quickly
and
then
I
saw
dan
just
to
to
talk
to
your
first
point
a
little
bit.
We
we
might
have
started
working
on
the
recommendations
this
year,
so
it
may
feel
fast
or
rushed.
But
if
you
remember,
we've
talked
about
this
for
the
past
three
budget
processes
that
you
know,
we
always
hit
this
certain
point
in
the
budget
where
we
have
that
awkward
discussion
about
what
should
our
salaries
be?
What
should
the
mayor's
salary
be
etcetera
and
we
we
consistently
have
brought
up
man.
A
Someone
should
really
look
at
this
because
we
think
this
is
you
know
out
of
whack
or
not
right.
So
I
think
what
we
were
trying
to
do
is
tackle
it,
and
certainly
we
were
sidelined
by
the
pandemic
a
little
bit
obviously,
but
tackle
it.
A
You
know
what
we
imagine
will
be
a
relatively
intense
public
engagement
period
and,
quite
honestly,
I
I
know
the
general
public
doesn't
necessarily
seek
out
information
related
to
the
november
ballot
until
a
little
bit
before.
So
I
think
we
we
we
recognize
that
there
is
going
to
be
a
lot
of
work,
but
we
think
that'll
be
just
sort
of
an
intense
period
of
public
engagement
right
before
the
referendum,
and
I
can
speak
to
your
second
one,
but
I
want
to
give
dan
a
chance
to
say
something
too.
C
Well,
I
guess
I
was
also
going
to
address
the
issue
of
kind
of
accountability
in
getting
things
done,
but
you
know
the
the
folks
from
the
icma
and
I
think,
maybe
jason
molino.
We
met
with
him
once
too,
but
they
talk
about
how
you
know
a
mayor
is
accountable
once
every
four
years
a
city
manager
is
accountable
every
single
month.
You
know
because
they
work
for
common
council
and
so
really
what
what
what
this
form
of
government
does
is.
C
It
makes
common
council
more
powerful
and
makes
them
able
to
hold
their
chief
elected
or
their
chief
executive
officer
accountable
for
getting
things
done
and
if,
if
the
the
city
manager
is
not
performing,
they
can
they
can
get
a
new
one
so
that
that's
one
of
the
things
and
and
also
city
managers,
at
least
those
who
are
members
of
the
icma.
C
I
mean
they
have
a
code
of
ethics
that
they're
supposed
to
follow
where
they're,
non-partisan
and
they
are
basically
trying
to
be
as
inclusive
and
and
responsive
to
everybody
as
possible,
and
so
you
know
they
like,
for
example,
one
of
the
one
of
the
things
they
do
is
they
make
sure
that
they
share
information?
You
know
with
everybody.
Q
I,
I
guess
maybe
I'll
just
add
that
you
know
and
just
to
clarify
for
you
all,
but
any
also
anyone
else
who
might
be
listening.
We
have
not
made
any
decision
about
when
this
should
be
implemented.
This
is
part
of
the
public
gathering
of
information,
also
discussions
among
this
group.
That
was
just
a
an
example
of
how
it
could
go
that
we
could
split
the
implementation
from
the
commitment
that
might
happen
as
early
as
this
fall.
A
Yeah,
I
think
it
will.
It
will
be
clearer
about
the
division
of
responsibilities
when
we
have
the
actual
language
changes
in
front
of
us.
I
know
donna
has
been
doing
just
extensive
work,
really
sort
of
combing.
A
Through
all
you
know
the
the
charter
and
the
code
and
all
of
these
different
documents-
and
you
know
we
even
also
talked
about
dusting
off
the
common
council
rules
of
procedure
again,
which
we've
just
been
kicking
that
can
down
the
road.
For
I
don't
know
how
long
you
know,
so
some
of
it
is
going
to
have
to
look
at
that.
Some
of
it
will
look
at
how
are
these
roles
defined
legislatively
and
what
language
needs
to
be
changed,
so
what
we
intend
to
bring
to
june
city
administration?
A
A
No,
I
see
you're
all
falling
asleep,
so
laura
graham
duckson.
N
Thanks
deb
and
thanks
for
the
working
group
I
mean
this
is
a
huge
task.
I
do
share
some
of
the
concerns
raised
by
george
about
big
changes
coming
at
the
same
time,
and
I
am
concerned
about
the
how
much
time
we
will
have
to
digest
all
of
this
and
how
much
time
we'll
have
to
relay
these
ideas
to
to
the
public.
That
said,
I
I
support
going
in
the
direction
of
hiring
a
city
manager
as
the
chief
executive.
N
I
think
it's
a
model,
if
I'm
understanding
it
correctly,
it
is
a
model
that
is
similar
to
the
county,
legislature's
model,
and
so
I'm
very
interested
in
in
that
model.
You
know,
I
have
heard
so
many
times
comments
about
well
assumptions
that
people
make
about
the
the
mayor's
position
being
a
full-time
position
and
how
many
times
I've
had
to
say
it
technically
is
not
a
full-time
position.
It's
not
paid
at
an
appropriate
level
for
a
full-time
position.
N
It's
clear
to
me
that
we
need
to,
at
the
very
least
clarify,
and
I
think,
to
to
change
the
structure
of
of
city
government,
and
so
I
at
least
from
tonight's
presentation,
but
I
will
want
to
see
and
read
through
and
more
carefully
digest
the
the
powerpoint
that
you
prepared,
deb.
So
sharing.
That
would
be
helpful.
N
But
I
like
this
direction
of
hiring
a
city
manager
as
a
chief
executive,
and
I
I
think
the
point
about
still
having
a
mayor
elected
by
the
electorate
makes
sense,
especially
as
a
well
if
it's
viewed
as
a
transition,
so
that
the
public
still
is
weighing
in.
On
that.
A
L
Just
I'll
go
quickly
I'll,
just
oh
thanks,
yeah!
Unfortunately,
I
think
a
bunch
of
us
have
banded
this
question
around
and
so
I'm
tentatively
supportive
of
a
saving
manager.
For
the
reasons
you
stated
for
the
management
experience
hiring
someone
specifically
for
that
management
experience
for
having
part-time
there,
who
has
too
much
responsibility
for
too
little
compensation.
We've
been
lucky
to
have
mayors
who
have
stepped
up
and
treated
as
a
full-time
job
and
have
really
put
their
their
souls
into
it.
L
But
it
is
not
sustainable
to
to
rely
on
people
who
want
to
be
dedicated
to
the
executive
level
job
for
for
not
having
the
conversation
with
the
freedom
to
do
everything
within
your
second
job,
so
yeah
tentatively
supportive,
certainly
enough
to
go
forward
and
have
community
discussions,
and
I
do
like
maintaining
the
elected
mayor
because
I
you
know
our
very
outspoken
community
still
wants
that
representation
for
an
elected
official
as
opposed
to
just
one
of
us,
electing
ourselves
to
be
that
the
public
face
and
plus
most
of
us
who
are
on
council,
don't
want
to
sign
up
for
that
extra
commitment.
L
Most
of
us
are
here
to
do
this
very
specific
job
would
be
a
big.
P
P
A
P
Yeah,
so
to
answer
your
question
whether
you're
way
off
base-
I
I
don't
think
so.
I
think
I
I
certainly
support
this
general
direction.
I
mean,
I
think
this
idea
and
the
recommendation
about
having
an
elected
mayor-
that's
elected,
not
from
the
council
but
city-wide.
I
certainly
support
that.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
I've
felt
in
being
on
council
is
a
pretty
close
connection
between
the
residents
and
the
constituents
and
the
elected
officials.
P
I
certainly
don't
want
to
lose
that
as
we
think
about
changing
the
structure
there,
and
so
I
think
it
is
important
to
have
that
mayoral
position.
That
is
a
city-wide
elective
post.
I
think
that's
a
big
benefit
of
the
current
system
and
I
would
want
to
continue
that
so
yeah
and
I
think
deb.
I
certainly
appreciate
your
point.
This
has
been
talked
about
for
many
years.
We
definitely
want
to
move
ahead
with
this.
P
But
again
I
just
point
to
the
reimagining
kind
of
process
that
we
went
through
and
the
feedback
we
got
saying
hey
this
is
you
didn't
give
us
enough
chance
to
get
input?
I
know
we'll
probably
always
hear
that
from
the
public,
but
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that
you're
thinking
about
involving
people
from
perhaps
maxwell,
school
or
or
others
that
that
might
help
with
the
community
engagement
part,
because
I
think
that's
going
to
be
very
important
in
this
context.
P
There
are
benefits
to
the
zoom
meetings,
but
I
think
maybe
we
we've
learned
something
from
the
imagine
reimagining.
I
think
we
did
a
good
job
on
that,
but
there's
still
room
for
improvement.
I
think,
and
if
we're
going
to
go
ahead
on
this
timetable,
I
think
we
need
to
be
aware
of
that
and
the
challenges
of
the
current
situation.
U
T
Yeah
I'll
just
I'll
just
toss
it,
I
I
think
that
there's
never
a
real
great
time
to
do
this,
which
is
why
it's
never
gotten
done
and
and
it's
it's
certainly
the
I'm
gonna
miss
my
metaphor
at
10
o'clock
at
night.
But
it's
like
the
when
the
pilot
says
you
know
put
on
your
own
oxygen
mask
before
you
can
help
other
people
and
I
think,
as
a
government,
we
just
haven't
done
that
enough.
T
We
haven't
shored
up
our
structure
to
make
sure
that
it
can
be
effective
in
serving
other
people,
and
so
so
I
do.
I
think
I
think
there
will
never
be
a
great
time
and
I
think,
for
all
the
reasons
stated,
especially
the
reimagining
public
safety.
This
is
still
not
a
great
time
to
tackle
this,
but
I
think
it's
as
good
a
time
as
any.
A
Right
in
seven
minutes
we
have
to
vote
to
extend
our
meeting.
Does
anyone?
Does
anyone
wanna
use
up
the
last
seven
minutes
with
any
final
comments?
Are
you
all
kind
of
comfortable
with
the
timeline
so
far
I
mean
to
some
degree.
We
don't
have
a
choice
if
we
want
to
get
it
on
referendum.
There
is
a
tiny
bit
of
of
wiggle
room,
but
we
really
would
love
to
have
the
final
language
by
august,
so
we
can
make
sure
that
makes
it.
A
Are
we?
Are
we
good
with
this
timeline
in
terms
of
really
you'll
be
involved
in
the
language
of
the
referendum?
So
just
making
sure
this
is
a
good
idea.
K
Yeah
sure
yeah
the
the
language
of
the
referendum
itself,
I
don't
think,
sounds
too
challenging
in
terms
of
literally
drafting
the
referendum.
The
more
challenging
part
will
be
drafting
all
of
the
legislation
that
makes
this
a
reality,
and
that
is
no
small
task.
To
be
honest,
so,
just
as
the
mayor
said,
there's
no
good
time
to
do
this
and
now
is
not
a
good
time
to
do
this,
but
I
certainly
understand
respect
and
support.
You
need
to
do
it
and
we
will
make
it
happen.
A
U
I
wish
I
could
remember
something
about
the
mayor:
has
the
authority
to
revoke
the
license
to
sell
milk
right
common
council?
Has
the
authority
to
regulate
circus
performers
and
prostitutes,
things
that
we
just
don't
take
care
of
anymore
right
simultaneously.
N
So
deb
thanks
for
sending
powerpoint
will
there
be
enough
work
done
to
support
hosting
community
forums
to
community
forums
in
may
and
june?
N
Will
there
be
enough
accomplished
by
the
working
group
to
go
ahead
with
community
forums.
A
Yeah,
so
I
think
the
purpose
of
the
forums
were
more
information,
so
that
everybody
has
a
really
good
understanding
of
what
we
mean
by
the
forms
of
government
right.
So
when
we
say
public
forums,
we're
thinking
more,
we've
been
sort
of
looking
at
what
we've
been
doing
over
the
whole
pandemic,
and
you
know
the
county
had
kind
of
had
a
series
of
it-
just
information
sessions,
kind
of
centering
around
a
particular
topic.
A
So
our
goal
was
to
bring
some
experts
in
and
to
start
introducing
the
concept
of
forms
of
government
allowing
people
to
ask
questions,
and
then
we
clearly
would
need
to
have
several
additional
either
a
special
public
hearing
or
some
other
special
engagement
process.
Once
the
legislative
language
was
actually
out
and
the
referendum
was
out,
so
the
public
forums
are
not
intended
to
be
the
only
isolated
public
engagement
piece.
Those
are
just
intended
to
be
the
launching
of
the
concept
to
the
community
and
to
bring
some
experts
in
to
give
them
a
chance
to
just
learn.
A
Even
what
it
is
that
we're
talking
about
and
to
to
help
us
put
the
analysis.
The
and
the
importance
of
the
change
out
there,
but
then
we
will
have
significant
work
to
do
to
engage
the
public
in
just
sort
of
learning
about
the
actual
referendum
voting
on
it
and
and
the
specific
pieces
to
the
city,
so
we're
kind
of
going
generic
information
funneling
all
the
way
down
through
to
when
we
have
our
actual
referendum
in
the
vote.
So
the
forums
are
not
the
iso,
not
in
isolation.
Q
And
I
guess
I'll
add
that
I
think
our
thought
was
the
may
one
would
be
in
the
latter
half
of
may
and
the
june
one
would
be
in
the
first
half
of
june,
so
that
that
would
allow
that
timeline
in
both
directions
to
work
better.
A
Okay,
we
have
two
minutes
before
we
vote
to
go
longer
is
everybody
I
can
see
every
one
of
you
is
fading,
so
if
we
don't
have
any
additional
stuff
again,
I
would
just
like
to
publicly
say
thank
you
to
hector
and
eric
for
I,
I
can't
imagine
us
beginning
a
snow
removal
conversation
at
this
hour.
So
thank
you
for
your
flexibility
and
your
work
and
we
look
forward
to
having
that
discussion.
You
know
it
still
could
snow
again.
A
It
has
snowed
in
may
so
we
we
may
need
to
have
this
this
discussion
this
year.
All
right.
I
am
looking
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
and
then
we
can
all
well
induction
seconded
by
rob
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
you.