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B
B
B
We
had
did
we
have
statements
from
the
public,
those
will
be
included
in
the
record.
We
did
not
have
anyone
register
for
active
participation.
Public
comment
this
evening,
so
just
just
to
let
everybody
know
we
advertise
in
the
same
manner.
We
didn't
have
anyone
take
us
up
on
that,
so
we
do
not
have
that
to
contend
with
this
evening.
B
I
think
next
thing
on
our
agenda
is
one
item
on
consent
and
someone
want
to
move
that
rob
seconded
by
graham
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
B
So
we
have
our
first
voting
and
discussion
item
is
of
the
local
law
to
override
the
tax
levy
that
we
have
to
do
every
year
per
state
rules.
So
does
someone
want
to
move
3.1.
B
D
So
deb
george
me
to
read
the
whole
thing
or
just
the
fact
that
it's
standard,
so
this
is
a
a
local
law
to
override
the
tax
levy
limit
established
in
general
municipal
law
and
being
enacted
by
common
council
of
the
city
of
mythic
as
follows,
and
then
there's
a
number
of
statements
there
about
the
legislative,
intent,
the
authority
and
the
override,
and
this
doesn't
mean
we're
overriding
the
tax
levy.
It
just.
E
D
B
F
F
So,
but
I
can
just
say
this:
this
just
gives
us
the
maximum
flexibility
as
we
move
forward
through
the
budget
process,
and
you
know
we
are
we're,
always
hoping
we
can
stay
within
the
tax
cap,
not
so
sure
this
year,
that's
going
to
be
possible
just
given
all
the
circumstances
that
we're
facing
and
the
challenges
that
are
facing
us.
So
this
is,
you
know,
an
annual
resolution
that
and
we'll
have
to
this
is
a
local
law.
So
I
have
to
be
late
on
the
table
as
well.
B
Great
thanks
any
questions
for
steve
about
this
at
all.
We've
done
this
for
a
few
years
now,
so
all
those
in
favor-
and
that
is
unanimous,
thank
you
for
thank
you,
steve
4.1,
temporary
use
of
the
yuga
street
parking
garage,
rob.
G
G
Ithaca
inc
cdp,
whose
governing
board
includes
the
mayor
and
city
controller
and
whereas
cdp,
has
developed
a
draft
agreement
to
provide
the
city
with
use
of
55
parking
spaces
at
no
charge
to
help
the
city
fulfill
its
obligations
under
the
marriott
hotel
parking
agreement
during
construction
of
the
green
garage.
Now,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
But
the
mayor,
subject
to
review
by
the
city
attorney,
is
authorized
to
execute
an
agreement
substantially
similar
to
the
attached
agreement
for
temporary
city
use
of
cayuga
street
parking
garage
for
temporary
use
of
parking
at
no
charge
to
the
city.
B
D
Excuse
me
thanks
deb,
so
the
55
is
that
what
was
made
available
in
the
green
street
garage
for
the
marriott
or
is?
Is
there
a
difference
in
the
number.
H
Yeah,
in
fact,
the
original
agreement
with
the
marriott
is
for
90
parking
spaces,
but
we've
been
in
negotiations
with
them
for
several
months
and
they
have
indicated
strongly
that
they
only
intend
to
use
55
spaces
going
forward
and
seek
an
amendment
to
the
agreement.
So
55
parking
spaces
is
what
is
projected
to
be
needed.
If
we
turns
out
that
we've
missed
the
number,
we
can
come
back
and
amend
this
agreement.
B
H
A
H
H
That's
the
newest
portion
that
we
developed
in
2007-8
and
with
a
project
would
be
to
build
mixed-use
projects
on
the
west
side
closest
to
city
hall,
which
would
be
the
conference
center
on
the
lowest
three
floors
and
then
eight
levels
of
housing,
affordable,
housing
above
that
and
on
the
east
side.
Jeffrey
rimland
and
his
partners
are
proposing
to
redevelop
that
site
as
well
to
reconstruct
the
two
decks
of
public
parking
lease,
those
back
to
the
city
and
build
another
eight
or
nine
levels
of
housing
above
that
that
would
be
market
rate
housing.
H
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
would
have
no
parking
on
the
west
section.
We'd
have
about
350
parking
spaces
in
the
center
section
and
an
additional
120
parking
spaces
on
the
east
section,
so
that
compares
to
about
380
parking
spaces.
We
have
currently
be
a
net
increase,
but
not
a
dramatic
net
increase
over
our
current
parking
supply.
A
Yeah,
but
so
the
center
portion
of
our
current
parking
garage,
that's
going
to
add
three
or
four
stories.
H
The
timing
is
not
certain
how
it's
going
to
work
first,
but
we
do
know
that
the
phasing
for
the
vasino
project
is
to
first
demolish
the
western
section
of
the
garage
so
that
they
can
get
access
to
add-on
levels
on
the
center
section
of
the
garage,
because
it's
cast
in
place
concrete.
They
have
to
have
two
decks
of
parking
completed
above
any
any
operational
levels
of
parking,
so
there'll
be
a
time
period
where
we're
pouring
concrete
under
that
project,
where
the
entrance
to
the
parking
garage
will
not
be
open
for
for
use.
H
So
that's
really.
The
limiting
factor,
if,
if
jeffrey
rimland's
project
on
the
east
side
is
is,
is
according
to
their
schedule.
They
want
to
start
about
the
same
time
as
vesino,
so
it
would
be
offline.
At
the
same
time,
the
garage
was
offline.
If
there's
a
delay
that
parking
would
still
be
available
once
we
reopen
the
center
section
so
as
proposed,
basically
the
there.
H
H
A
G
H
No
we're
not
we're
not
we're
not
specifying
a
particular
location.
We
want
to
work
it
out
with
with
parking
management
there
to
make
the
best
use
of
it.
We
certainly
do
not
want
it
to
be
reserved
on
the
very
lowest
level
as
occurred
in
the
seneca
garage,
but
we
also
don't
want
them
to
have
to
drive.
You
know
necessarily
to
the
top
of
the
top
deck.
When
there's
you
know
pretty
light
use
currently
in
the
garage
relative
to
kova
19
issues,
so
we're
trying
to
find
a
model.
H
A
George
4.2
proposed
inter-city
bus
permit
extension
and
modification.
Can
you
hear
me.
A
Whereas
section
346-31
and
the
city
code
states
that
no
bus
shall
operate,
stop
on
or
stand
on
any
city
street
nor
such
such
bus,
pickup
or
discharge
passengers
on
any
such
city
street
or
curb
or
any
other
public
property
or
within
200
feet
of
any
city
bus
stop
in
the
incorporated
limits
of
the
city
of
ithaca.
Unless
a
permit
is
obtained
from
common
council
or
its
designee.
A
And
whereas,
in
september,
2018
common
council
passed
a
resolution
to
allow
the
use
of
east
green
street
as
an
inner
city.
Bus
stop,
whereas
state
staff
prepared
and
executed
agreements
with
the
inner
city
operators
for
a
six-month
trial
period
ending
on
march
31st
2019
and
whereas
on
april
3rd
2019
staff
recommended
that
the
common
council
conditionally
renew
the
agreement
until
august
31st
2019
to
allow
for
a
full
year
of
consideration
of
the
site
and
whereas,
on
september,
2019
common
council
passed
a
resolution
to
continue
the
use
of
east
green
history
as
an
inter-city
bus.
A
Stop
on
a
first
paid,
first
served
basis
to
operators
for
which
common
council
has
authorized
operation
from
the
green
street
location,
namely
trailways
short
line.
Coach,
usa,
greyhound
and
flix
bus
approved
in
february
of
2020
to
accommodate
the
availability
of
one
space
for
bus
operations
and
potentially
one
drop-off
space
until
an
alternate
location
or
permanent
solution
can
be
found
and
be
further
resolved.
B
B
Any
questions
for
for
eric
on
this
george
and
then
graham.
J
Yeah,
the
pad
would
most
likely
be
just
west
of
the
sunoco
station
western
driveway
there,
or
it
could
be
in
between
the
two
driveways
of
the
sunoco
station
on
green
street.
The
purpose
of
it
is
really
two
things
one
to
make
it
accessible
for
people
with
disabilities,
especially
someone
in
a
wheelchair,
because
today
it's
it's
grass
in
those
two
locations
and
then
two
when
the
weather
is
inclement
like
under
snow
or
rainy
conditions.
It'd
be
really
tough
for
people
to
access
the
bus
walking
through
the
grass.
J
K
D
So
eric
so
I
had
a
question
might
be
for
ahri,
so
we
have
these
fees
that
and
obviously
we're
paying
for
this
pad
from
that,
but
are
we
covering
and
are
we
able
to
cover
kind
of
additional
staff
time
and
all
these
extra
costs
that
are
being
involved
in
kind
of
managing
this
whole
project?
I
know
it's
taking
a
lot
of
your
time
and
other
staff
time.
So
my
question
is:
are
we
are
we
covering
that
with
the
fees
that
we're
charging
is
the
question.
J
J
J
I
I
think
it
does.
I
think
it
certainly
helps,
but
I
can't
say
definitively
whether
it
would
cover
all
staff
time
that's
been
spent
today.
L
Yeah,
I
agree
and
just
to
supplement
that
a
bit
I
think
I
would
say
in
the
first
year
I
think
it's
very
clear
that
the
fees
did
not
cover
the
staff
time,
nor
are
the
litigation
costs.
To
be
blunt,
the
I
do
think
that,
if
the
when
the
world
normalizes,
I
won't.
L
Normalizes,
if,
if
bus
activity
is
back
up
to
a
good
clip,
I
would
not
be
surprised
if
we
could
get
at
least
close
to
covering
the
city's
costs
of
administering
it.
I'm
at
the
fee
levels,
or
maybe
in
the
ballpark
of
the
fee
levels
that
we're
at
now,
but
certainly
currently,
the
fee
revenue
is
minimal
because
the
bus
activity
is
minimal,
and
so
that
is
another
factor.
That's
playing
in
and.
E
L
J
D
L
Yeah
I
I
would
believe
that
is
correct.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
those
numbers
steve
or
eric.
J
I
don't
know
as
far
as
last
time
I
had
checked,
which
was
months
ago,
then
there
was
sufficient
funds
to
to
cover
that
was
back.
In
april
we
talked
about
doing
some
other
improvements
to
green
street
area,
and
at
that
time
we
held
back
obviously
with
the
uncertainties
around
finances,
but
at
that
time
there
was
sufficient
funds
and
that
that
was
a
much
larger
sum.
So
I
would
be
surprised
if
it
wasn't
available
for
this,
and
I
will
say
that
it's
not
certain.
J
You
know,
certainly
if
the
bus
levels
stayed
where
they
are
now,
there
would
be
no
need
for
a
concrete
pad
and
we
wouldn't
move
forward
with
that.
But
with
construction
season
being
shorter
and
the
need
to
you
know,
get
a
contractor
under
contract,
probably
before
the
construction
season.
J
It's
good
to
have
this
availability,
but
we'll
monitor
and
see
who's
coming
back
and
who's,
not,
and
if
you
know,
come
february
march,
there's
still
not
enough
bus
traffic
to
make
it
worthwhile
or
enough
that
there's
going
to
be
conflicts
so
that
we
couldn't
just
operate
where
it
is
today
in
front
of
urban
outfitters,
then
there'd
be
no
need
to
move
forward,
but
with
the
green
street
redevelopment
project,
if
it
goes
according
to
schedule,
would
be.
You
know,
last
for
a
year
and
a
half
two
years
starting
in
april.
D
B
Eric
so
4.3
our
projected
budgets
and
projects
for
our
sidewalk
improvement
district.
Does
someone
want
to
move
that
ducks
in
thank.
B
I
District
assessments,
budget
schedule
work
for
fiscal
year
2021,
whereas
section
c73
of
the
city
charter
creates
five
sidewalk
improvement
districts
for
the
construction
and
repair
of
sidewalk
and
provides
for
an
assessment
against
each
property
located
in
each
sid
for
the
benefits
received
by
the
property
from
said
construction
and
repair,
whereas
the
bpw
has
recommended
a
budget
schedule
of
work
and
assessment
and
scheduled
assessments
for
fiscal
year,
2021
subject
to
review
amendment
and
confirmation
by
the
common
council
and
whereas
section
c
73
provides
that
council
shall
amend
as
appropriate
and
confirm
the
sid
assessments,
budget
and
schedule
work
after
a
public
hearing,
whereas
the
appropriate
public
hearing
has
been
held
and
councils
has
been
given
as
given
due
consideration
to
the
comments
made.
I
If
any,
now,
therefore,
being
enacted
by
the
common
council
of
the
city
of
ithaca
as
follows:
section
one.
Pursuant
to
municipal
home
rule
law,
the
city
of
ithaca
is
authorized
to
adopt
a
local
law
relating
to
authorization,
making
confirmation
and
correction
of
benefit
assessments
for
local
improvements.
I
Council
has
reviewed
the
assessments
budget
and
scheduled
work
recommended
by
the
bpw
for
fiscal
year
2021
and
makes
the
following
findings
of
fact.
The
public
hearing
prior
to
confirmation
required
by
section
c
73,
has
been
held
and
all
owners
of
property
subject
to
s
id
assessment
appearing
to
speak
before
council
that
have
had
an
opportunity
to
do
so.
I
In
the
event,
there
are
additional
funds
following
completion
of
the
schedule
of
work
or
changes
to
the
work
plan
or
financial
requirement
for
financial
engineering,
other
reasons
the
superintendent
of
public
works
or
his
or
her
designee
may
alter
the
schedule
of
work
in
his
or
her
discretion,
as
instructed
by
the
board
of
public
works
from
time
to
time.
Right,
however,
if
such
actions
affect
10
or
more
of
any
sid's
annual
levy,
such
actions
must
be
approved
by
resolution
of
board
of
public
works
and
usual
severability
and
effective
date
clauses
and
so
on.
B
B
M
Current
construction
for
2020
is
ongoing
and
they'll
be
on
meadow
street,
maybe
within
next
week,
and
the
2021
plan
is
exciting.
There's
still
a
lot
of
work
to
do
and
whether
part
of
it
is
for
district
two
to
do
a
50
50
grant
for
some
sidewalk
on
giles
street,
and
this
would
have
to
be
a
capital
project
funded
by
to
the
sid
district
if
approved.
A
John,
I
I
got
a
question
from
a
constituent.
It
was
a
good
question.
The
streets
and
facilities
crews
are
putting
in
new
water
line
on
sunrise,
road
and
there's
a
new
curb
where
there
was
no
curb
and
they
were
wondering
if,
if
we
could
sneak
in.
A
M
Yeah,
I
have
to
look
at
our
right-of-way
on
sunrise.
I
know
some
of
the
streets
in
that
west
hill
kind
of
vary
between
you
know,
50
feet
and
60,
or
sometimes
even
40.,
so
we'll
take
a
look
at
that,
but
yeah.
If
there's
a
public
concern
for
that,
we
could
see
that
working
to
next
year's
program.
I
don't
this
year's
money
in
district
five,
which
is
on
sunrise,
is
pretty
well
spent
with
hector
street,
I'm
afraid.
M
A
good
interest
there
are
actually
some
streets
on
west
hill.
There
are
a
number
of
neighbors
who
said
they
do
not
want
a
sidewalk
and
we're
not
looking
to
build
new
sidewalk
everywhere
it's
if
the
public
wants
it,
then
you
know
we
see
if
there's
budget
and
plan
for
it,
but
yeah.
L
B
L
Yes,
two
just
brief
procedural
notes:
one
is
at
the
very
top
of
this
local
law
and
I
think
it
right
now
says
local
law,
blank
2021
and
that
should
actually
refer
to
2020
at
the
very
top
of
the
local
law.
Just
before
you
guys
vote
on
it,
so
you
may
want
to
view
it
in
that
form.
Just
the
local
law
numbering
said
at
the
very
top
should
be
2020.
L
and
the
other
is
that,
just
like
the
tax
cap
override
local
law
that
you
all
voted
on
a
few
minutes
ago,
this
also
will
need
to
be
laid
on
the
table.
I
would
recommend
that
both
of
those
local
laws
be
laid
on
the
table
tomorrow
to
ensure
that
we
have
enough
time
for
them
to
properly
age
according
to
state
law
before
the
october
7th
council
meeting.
So
I
wonder
who
who,
on
this
call
steve
will,
will
your.
F
B
M
Can
lastly,
just
october
7th
meeting
there'll
be
a
public
hearing
on
this
as
well
yeah
for
the
common
counseling
bpw
had
their
public
hearing
ready
and
then
common
council
will
need
a
public
community
as
well.
L
C
M
L
L
Go
ahead
and
lay
it
on
the
table:
anyways.
We
don't
forget.
That
would
be
ideal.
So
yes,
steve
if
you
can
still
pass
that
on
to
julia
lay
on
the
table,
but
it
actually
shouldn't
go.
It
should
only
be
a
public
hearing
on
the
october
council
agenda
and
it
should
be
a
voting
item
on
the
november
council
agenda
so
that
it
gets
voted
with
the
budget.
B
D
Okay,
so
this
is
excuse
me,
authorization
to
accept
various
easements
in
relation
to
the
development
of
the
former
emerson
power
transmission
site
on
south
hill,
whereas
emerson
sub,
15
llc
emerson
is
the
owner
of
south
hill
of
the
south
hill
parcel
of
land
previously
occupied
by
emerson's
power
transmission
identified
as
620-640
south
aurora
street
city
tax,
mac
parcel
106-1,
106-1-8
and
810
dadby
road
town
tax
map
parcel
40-3-3,
collectively
the
parcel
and
whereas
unchained
properties
llc
intends
to
develop
the
parcel
into
a
mixed-use
district,
referred
to
as
the
chain
works,
district
redevelopment
project
project
and
whereas
the
project
has
undergone
joint
environmental
review
by
the
city
and
town
and
on
march
26
2019,
the
city
planning
board
approved
phase
one
of
the
project
consisting
of
the
rehabilitation
of
existing
buildings
and
hardscape
and
landscape
improvements,
and
whereas
emerson
and
unchained
properties,
llc
have
agreed
to
convey
various
public
easements
to
mitigate
potential
environmental
impacts
to
vegetation
and
fauna,
public
health
and
environment,
transportation
and
circulation,
open
space
and
recreation
and
increases
in
impervious
areas,
and
whereas
the
easements
to
be
granted
include
three
permanent,
easements
collectively
easements.
D
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
common
council
is
supportive
of
accepting
easements
and
further
be
it
resolved
that
the
mayor
upon
the
advice
of
the
city
attorney,
is
authorized
to
execute
documents
required
to
memorialize
and
accept
the
easements,
which
may
include
the
terms
of
future
maintenance
and
or
use
with
said
documents
to
be
substantially
similar
to
the
attached.
Easements,
provided,
however,
that
the
joint
town
city
easement
may
be
executed
with
such
later.
More
substantial
edits
has
agreed
between
the
town
and
emerson
sub
15
llc,
so
long
as
such
edits
are
acceptable
to
the
mayor.
L
And
I'll
also
note
that
fl
gorman
who's,
an
attorney
for
emerson,
is
also
in
the
meeting
here
with
us.
Should
we
have
any
questions
for
him
as
well?
Thank
you
for
joining
us
alpha.
B
A
L
L
Have
this
this
multi-use
trail
coming
into
focus
and
at
the
same
time,
of
course,
it
was
a
concern
that
the
city
not
be
responsible
for
any
of
the
environmental
contamination
in
that
area.
The
easements
as
negotiated,
do
protect
the
city
against
that
and
provide
the
city
is
not
responsible
for
any
environmental
contamination
there
that's
currently
present
so
so
that
part
is
all
cleaned
up,
so
so
to
speak,
but.
E
L
Also,
the
reason
that
the
so-called
developer
easement,
because
you'll
see
there's
two
easements
in
your
packet
there.
It
is
the
reason
that
the
so-called
developer
easement
has
a
number
of
alternate
paths
for
the
trail
written
into
the
easement,
and
it's
because
it's
partly
in
order
to
enable
development
to
occur
while
the
trail
remains
open
by
taking
a
detour
around
the
site
of
any
given
construction
activity
at
a
given
time.
L
But
it's
also
so
that
the
most
contaminated
portion
of
the
emerson
parcel
can
be
closed
as
a
trail
at
such
times
as
remediation
activities
and
testing
activities
are
occurring
on
it
and
then
and
then
again,
we'll
have
a
detour
around
that
during
those
times
for
the
trail,
and
then
it
can
reopen
once
once
it's
available.
L
That
should
be
not
extremely
common,
but
it
will
happen
and
it's
a
pretty
complex
set
of
terms
as
you
can
see
that
I've
actually
taken.
In
truth,
it's
been
six
or
seven
years
in
the
making
of
negotiations
to
get
us
here.
So
we're
very
pleased
to
be
at
this
point
and
I'm
very
excited
for
the
chain
works
project
to
move
forward.
D
Thanks
tim
yeah,
as
you
said,
re
there's
a
lot
of
description
of
the
easements
here
and
I'm
wondering.
Is
there
a
map
available
of
of
this
kind
of
various
pathways
and
stuff?
I
know
there
might
be
alternatives
yeah.
I
think
it
would
really
help
if
a
map
were
available
ahead
of
the
council
meeting
because
it
took
me
a
long
time
to-
and
I
still
don't
quite
have
an
image
in
my
mind
some
rough
idea,
but
it
would
be
really
helpful.
I
think.
L
Yeah,
absolutely
yes,
there
is,
there
is
a
map
and
I
apologize
that
it
says
like
paul.
Does
it
I
guess
you're
right,
it's
not
didn't
actually
make
it
in
here
so
yeah.
We
can
certainly
send
you
a
map
that
shows
this,
but
but
in
short,
it
cuts
from
aurora
street
all
the
way
across
the
emerson
site,
both
the
developed
portion
and
then
the
undeveloped
portion.
That's
just
forested
all
the
way
down
to
stone
quarry
road
that
ladder
portion
as
it's
approaching
stone.
L
Quarry
road
will
actually
be
jointly
held
by
the
city
and
the
town,
because
it
will
be
straddling
the
satellite
city
line
and
then
I
believe,
a
town
portion
will
continue
eventually
all
the
way
out,
hopefully
to
buttermilk
park.
I
believe,
and
then
I
suppose,
pick
up
where
the
black
diamond
trail
is
supposed
to
loop
in
there.
So
you
could
eventually,
I
think,
go
from
someday.
Hopefully
you
can
go
from
the
far
end
of
the
south
hill
rec
way
all
the
way
to
organic
park.
D
B
Well,
we'll
make
sure
it
is
included
in
the
council
packet.
Also,
when
we
put
this
in
tucson,
did
you
have
a
question.
I
B
B
G
This
is
removal
of
the
first
white
settlers
marker
from
dewitt
park,
whereas
dewitt
park
is
within
the
dewitt
park,
historic
district
and
whereas
a
historical
marker
in
dewitt
park,
dedicated
in
1933
by
the
daughters
of
the
american
revolution
reports
to
recognize
the
first
white
settlers.
G
In
this
area,
though,
there
is
dispute
over
the
historical
accuracy
of
this
claim
and
whereas,
regardless
of
who
were
actually
the
first
non-indigenous
settlers
of
this
area,
the
area
is
settled
by
the
hodness
sunni
who
were
ejected
from
this
land
through
use
of
explicit
violence,
forced
to
sign
unfair
treaties
and
who
never
received
fair
compensation
for
their
loss.
G
And
whereas
the
marker
reflects
the
dar's
focus
on
white
americans
and
the
promotion
of
an
intentionally
limited
version
of
american
history,
a
history
that
often
marginalized
the
contributions
of
women,
black
and
indigenous
people
and
other
people
of
color
and
whereas,
as
our
community,
has
become
more
socially
and
culturally
aware.
In
decades
after
its
installation.
G
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
city
of
ithaca
common
council
authorizes
the
removal
of
the
first
white
settlers
historic
marker
from
dewitt
park,
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
plaque
from
the
historic
marker
shall
be
donated
to
the
history
center
to
be
accessioned
into
their
collection
and
used
for
future
educational
opportunities.
As
they
deem
appropriate
and
I
so
move.
B
Wait
is
there
a
second
graham
thank
you,
so
we
have
a
guest
this
evening
as
well.
We
have
ben
samberg,
the
director
of
the
history
center,
who
is
here
to
clarify
and
answer
any
questions,
but
I
know
he
wanted
to
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
exactly
what
this
means.
You
know
if
exactly
what
this
you
know
if
we
pass
this
and
then
it
moves
on
to
council
and
it
passes,
what
does
it
mean
that
the
history
center
receiving
this?
So
he
just
wanted
an
opportunity
to
give
us
all
some
information
on
that.
B
So
do
you
want
to
hear
from
him
first
and
then
ask
questions.
Does
that
sound
good
sure.
D
N
Yeah,
of
course,
thank
you
for
letting
me
have
the
time
to
speak
with
you
all,
as
deb
had
said
that
if
the
committee
votes-
and
then
it
comes
before
common
council
and
the
common
council
votes
to
remove
the
plaque,
it
will
be
accessioned
into
our
collections,
which
has
very
explicit
meanings
in
the
in
the
museum
field.
And
so
it
becomes
an
item
that
we
have
legal
responsibility
for
the
care
and
preservation
of
and
that
when
it
comes
into
our
collections,
the
way
we
use
those
items
are
in
exhibits.
N
We
will,
depending
on
condition
and
circumstances,
we
will
do
activities
with
field
trips
or
other
groups
who
are
coming
to
visit
them.
But
really
the
priority
is
to
ensure
that
the
community
has
access
to
the
items
and
the
materials
both
in
our
collections
and
in
our
archives,
because
we
are
holding
them
in
trust
for
the
local
community.
N
I
do
want
to
be
clear
that
it
doesn't
mean
it
will
be
on
permanent
display
in
the
exhibit
hall
we
have
rotating
exhibits,
and
I
think
the
only
thing
that
I
would
term
on
permanent
display
right
now
is
the
tommy
plane,
just
because
of
its
size
and
scale
makes
it
difficult
for
that
to
not
be
permanent.
N
But
that
just
because
it
isn't
on
display
doesn't
mean
it
isn't
being
used
and
accessed
by
the
public.
We
are
working
with
several
local
historical
bodies,
both
the
tonkins
county,
historical
commission.
We
have
some
folks
from
there
members
on
the
board
of
the
history
center
and
some
other
groups
who
are
helping
to
develop
interpretation
for
the
plaque
and
speaking
to
sort
of
the
the
many
moments
in
time
it
offers
us
a
window
to
so.
N
Yes,
we
can
use
it
to
look
at
the
period
in
history,
it
references,
but
it
also
tells
us
a
lot
about
the
period
in
time
in
which
the
monument
was
erected,
and
it
also
tells
us
a
lot
about
the
our
current
moment
in
time
which
folks
in
the
future,
looking
back
will
that
will
be
just
as
an
important
piece
as
to
the
historical
claims
on
the
plaque.
B
D
Thank
you,
ben
yeah.
I
mean
it's
important
to
recognize.
I
think
the
contribution,
and
I
appreciate
the
letters
that
were
sent
by
the
history
center
and
also
other
members
of
the
public
concerning
this
issue,
and
I
also
appreciate
the
fact
that
we've
postponed
or
we
did
postpone
the
vote
and
had
an
opportunity
for
more
public
input
and
more
consideration
of
this.
I
actually
really.
D
I
don't
want
to
repeat
things,
but
one
of
them
is
about
recognizing
that
who
is
included
in
these
stories
is
really
a
statement
of
who's
valued
and
who
is
not.
That's
really
important,
and
I
think
the
other
one
that
really
stands
out
for
me
is
that
we
as
a
city
want
to
not
erase
history
but
actually
tell
a
more
inclusive
story
of
the
region's
history.
I
mean
that's
really
important.
D
I
think
that
we
recognize
that
it's
long
overdue,
but
in
the
current
climate,
I
think
this
is
a
a
very
good
step
that
we
can
take.
There
is
an
intent
to
put
something
in
its
place,
and
I
saw
some
in
in
the
letters
and
the
recommendations
from
I
think
historic
ithaca
that
we
reach
out
to
other
communities
to
replace
this
with
something
that
does
recognize
the
more
inclusive
history
of
the
development
of
this
area,
including
the
the
indigenous
peoples
that
were
here
when
settlers
came
through.
D
So
I
really
appreciate
the
whoever
worked
on
this.
I
think
it's
much
more
telling
the
story
of
why
we
are
considering
taking
this
action,
and
I
I
fully
support
this
as
a
way
of
recognizing
that
this
part
of
history
has
not
been
told
accurately
with
these.
With
this
particular
monument.
A
That's
very
important.
The
recent
edition
of
a
historic
marker
at
alex
haley's
birthplace
is
a
good
start
for
that.
I
support
this
resolution.
It's
supported
by
my
friend,
carol,
cayman
carol.
Cammon,
the
his
county
historian.
I'd
take
a
bullet
for
carol.
A
I
have
a
problem
with
several
of
these,
whereas
is,
whereas
often
don't
mean
much.
The
resolution
is
the
most
important
thing,
but
I
feel
that
some
of
these
re,
whereas
is
don't
paint
an
accurate
picture
of
of
what
this
monument
means.
A
Aside
from
the
unfortunate
use
of
the
word
white
and
the
claim
that
it
marks
the
area
where
the
first
cabins
were
built,
that
which
is
probably
not
true,
this
marker
simply
states
where
two
cabins
were
built
by
early
settlers.
A
I
got
a
letter
from
where
I
got
an
email
from
one
of
our
residents
today
that
showed
where
the
original,
what
the
original
d.a.r
markers
were
in
the
1930s
and
33
or
so
I
don't
know
if
you
got
a
chance
to
look
at
those,
but
it
marks
several
historical,
noteworthy
things
in
ithaca,
including
at
least
two
sites
of
of
native
american
villages.
A
A
Plaque,
so
I
would
just
assume,
let
me
let
me
say
what
I
what
I'd
like
to
do,
the
third,
whereas
which
is
regardless
of
who
were
actually
the
last
first
in
non-indigenous
settlers
of
this
area.
This
area
was
already
settled
by
the
houdinoshoni.
A
I
would
omit,
who
were
ejected
from
this
land
through
use
of
explicit
violence
and
forced
to
sign
on
fair
treaties.
The
reason
I
would
omit
that
is
because.
A
A
A
After
sullivan's
campaign,
the
indians
fled
west
to
fort
erie,
where
they
sought
protection
from
the
english
from
the
english
army
and
that
winter,
which
was
the
coldest
winter
in
100
years.
It's
written.
The
british
really
did
not
provide
for
the
cayugas
and
the
senecas
and
hundreds,
maybe
thousands
died
as
a
consequence.
A
A
A
B
A
A
B
G
A
A
I
mean
war
is
explicit,
violence
and
the
treaty
issue
is,
is
multi-faceted
and
complex.
B
I
understand
what
you're
asking
for,
I
think
it's
challenging
to
convey
a
multi-layered,
complex
history
in
a
few
phrases.
You
know,
whereas
so
I
understand
what
you're
trying
to
get
at,
I
think
one
of
the.
If,
if
we,
if
we
think
about
this
more
at
a
macro
rather
than
a
than
a
micro
level,
those
only
certain
people
got
to
write
what
history
was
back
then.
A
A
The
fourth
and
fifth,
whereas
are
problematic,
because
this
is
one
marker-
and
these
whereases
are
talking
about.
A
B
G
Actually,
I
think
what
I'm
gonna
bring
up
is
more
procedurally
what
I
I
know.
We
decided
that
we
would
take
these
one
at
a
time,
but
I'm
concerned
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that,
when
we're
done
and
reflecting
the
ideas
that
george
is
is
presenting
that
we
don't
strip
out
of
this
all
the
the
reasons
why
this
monument
should
be
removed.
G
And
so
I
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is
I
I
wish
we
had
been
able
to
hear
a
little
more
about
george's
concerns
about
each
of
the
whereases.
G
So
we
might
be
able
to
find
a
balance
in
that
because
george,
I
think
the
fifth
whereas
and
I
don't
want
to
go
too
far
away
from
the
third,
but
I
think
the
fifth,
whereas
is
reflecting
back
on
things
that
we're
highlighting
in
the
third
and
fourth,
whereas
if
I
got
those
numbers
right,
maybe
it's
the
sixth,
whereas.
B
A
I
apologize
for
for
not
bringing
this
to
your
attention
earlier.
That's
my
bad!
I
just
I
just
haven't
had
a
lot
of
time
to
do
this.
This
is
what
I
studied
in
graduate
school.
That's
probably
why
I'm
being
a
pain
in
the
butt
for
you
guys
I,
let's,
let's
start
with
this
third,
whereas
I
would
move
that
we
eliminate
the
who
were
ejected
from
this
land
actually.
B
So
that's
a
different
motion
than
what
was
already
moved
and
seconded.
So
let's
just
withdraw
your
original
motion
and
then
we
can
talk
about
all
of
your
concerns
and
and
forge
a
way
to
perhaps
move
it
as
a
package.
Once
we
hear
what
your
all
of
your
concerns
are,
that
would
be
my
recommendation.
All
right,
that's
fine!
A
A
We
should
also
honor
all
those
people,
but
this
particular
stone
does
not
limit
what
we
study
in
history
this
this.
So
I
don't
think
we
need
that
whereas-
and
I
don't
think
we
need
the
fifth
whereas
because
I
don't
think
it's
a
local
symbol
of
exclusion,
oppression
and
injustice,
I
don't
think
it
is.
B
B
D
Well,
I'll
answer
no
to
that
george,
I
I
certainly
bound
to
your
and
I
know,
because
we've
had
conversations
about
this-
your
detailed
knowledge
of
this
era,
and
there
are
some
phrases
in
there
that
I
might
change,
but
in
general
you
know
going
back
to
the
third,
whereas,
yes,
perhaps
explicit,
violence
isn't
the
right
phrase
there,
maybe
through
the
use
of
kind
of
or
were
ejected
in
the
revolutionary
war
I
mean
some
of
them
were
forced
to
unsign
fires,
not
everybody,
but
some
of
them
were
forced
to
sign
unfair
treaties.
D
So
you
know
I
mean
we're
trying
to
convey
some
background
to
this.
There
are
phrases
in
there
that
I
might
change,
but
overall
you
know
I
I
think
we
have
to.
We
can't
just
say
well
we're
getting
rid
of
this,
and-
and
I
do
question
your
comment
there-
it
doesn't
it's
not
a
local
symbol
of
exclusion
to
you,
but
to
many
in
our
community.
I
think
it
is,
and
I
think
that's
a
recognition
that
by
omission,
this
is
saying
these
are
the
people
that
are
important.
D
I
mean
as
one
of
them,
whereas
it
says
you
know
by
saying
who
you
include
and
who
you
don't
include:
you're,
basically
saying
who's
important
and,
to
my
mind,
removing
this
doesn't
deny
the
fact
that
there
were
white
settlers
here,
and
this
is
where
I
think,
a
replacement.
D
Memorial
is
much
more
important
in
terms
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
here.
That
is
recognize
that
this
plaque
has
become
a
source
of
or
a
symbol
of
exclusion,
and
how
do
we?
How
do
we
react
to
that?
Not
by
leaving
it
and
putting
up
another
one,
but
actually
conveying
something
that
is
more
inclusive
and
recognizing
the
honor
recognizes
the
settlers
and
the
and
the
context
for
that?
There'll
probably
be
more
words
on
this
plaque,
but
I
think
it'll
be
more
accurate
and
in
that
sense
I
think
this
is
getting
at
that.
D
O
O
It's
the
context
that
includes
the
omission
right
if
dad
and
rob
walked
into
the
room,
and
I
stare
at
both
dab
and
I
stare
at
rob-
and
I
say
nothing
but
then
george
walks
into
the
room-
and
I
say,
hey
george
good-
to
see
you
glad
you're
here
now,
devin
and
rob
would
understand
to
be
offended
and
might
even
struggle
to
explain
to
somebody
else.
Cevante
said
hello
to
george.
O
That
was
offensive
to
me
because
they
would
lack
the
context.
That
said,
by
failing
to
acknowledge
the
people
who
were
here
before
you
were
making
explicit
judgment
about
who
mattered
when
they're
in
the
room
and
describing
the
folks
as
white
may
not
in
2020
seem
like
a
big
deal.
But
it
is
a
big
deal
because
in
the
1700s
and
in
the
1800s
they
would
not
have
defined
themselves
as
white
and
the
american
project
of
defining
some
people
as
white
and
some
people
as
non-white
was
both
intentional
and
exclusionary.
B
A
I
I
don't
know
if
I,
if
you
saw
cevante
the
the
article
I
forwarded,
which
showed
I
think,
13
different
historical
plaques
that
were
put
up
by
the
dar.
At
the
same
time,
this
stone
was
given
a
plaque,
two
of
which
were
the
sites
of
hodinoshoni
villages.
A
A
If,
if,
if
you'd
like
and
I'll,
if
you'd
like
I
can
before
council
meets
next
month,
I
can
write
down
a
list
of
suggested
edits
and
now
we
can
get
out
of
this
tonight.
G
I
mean
I'll
just
weigh
in
george,
I
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
if
we
had.
You
know
your
written
suggestions
about
how
to
change
the
language
here
in
advance,
so
that
we
could,
you
know,
have
an
easier
pathway
to
do
that.
The
thing
we
we
really
dread
doing
on
the
floor
is
that
kind
of
wordsmithing
right.
N
I
just
wanted
to
also
add
an
update
from
mary
tomlin,
who
has
been
working
on
some
background
research
on
the
plaque
for
common
counsel
and
due
to
some
both
mechanical
and
health
challenges.
She
was
unable
to
get
the
report
out
for
everybody
in
the
way
she
wanted
to
in
advance
of
this
meeting,
but
is
going
to
get
it
out
in
advance
of
the
next
common
council
meeting
so
that
you
should
all
have
the
ability
to
see
that
in
advance
of
the
next
common
council.
G
N
Oh
I'm
not
a
mute
yeah.
I
I
think
so
just
based
on
my
conversations
with
her
today.
I've
had
a
chance
to
chat
with
her
a
couple
of
times
about
some
of
the
specific
areas
of
research.
So
I
I
think
it'll
be
helpful,
but
that
you
know
having
the
language
written
down
ahead
of
time
will
be
helpful
for
the
next
column
council
meeting.
E
A
A
I
will
work
on
some
edits
for
next
meeting.
B
So
I
think
it
will
in
in
order
to
not
have
this
just
sort
of
be
stagnant.
It
would
make
sense
to
vote
on
it
to
see
if
there's
support
to
move
it
to
council,
I'm
not
sure
the
appropriateness
of
of
rewriting
or
drafting.
The
other
thing
we
could
do
is
put
put
two
versions
of
it
in
the
council
packet.
We
could
look
at
that
as
well.
B
We
could
have
a
discussion
before
we
decide
which
one
we
might
want
to
move
and
just
let
everyone
know
that
there
are
some
proposed
language
changes
to
it
as
well,
so
we
could
leave
this
one
and
and
if
george,
you
wanted
to
provide
a
set
of
replacement
warehouses
that
might
be
the
most,
I
would
just
say.
Procedurally
easiest.
I
think
you
know
how
we
love
and
hate
to
wordsmith
on
the
floor.
A
B
Think
that
that's
not
that,
especially
with
the
topic
that
is
so
so
important
to
get
right,
that
I
think
it
would
make
sense
for
us
to
have
background
context,
information
and
language
to
look
at
and
not
be
reacting
to
it.
On
the
floor
of
the
council
meeting
so
when's
the
agenda
deadline
dan
for
council.
P
It
is
the
that's
a
good
question.
Is
it
the
friday
before.
P
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
this
week.
It's
it's
like
this
friday.
L
B
L
I
was
just
going
to
note
procedurally
a
one
normal
approach
to
that
would
be
that
whatever
gets
voted
out
of
ca
right
now
goes
in
the
packet
and
the
alternative
version
simply
gets
circulated
to
council
by
email
for
consideration
as
an
amendment.
But
that's
obviously
up
to
the
committee.
What
you
want
want
to
go
in
the
packet
coming
out
of
your
committee.
B
Well,
let's
see
if
we
can
work
with
that
september
30th
deadline
and
see
what
we're
able
to
do.
I
I
feel
I
feel
transparency
is
important
around
this
issue
and
if
people
have
suggested
changes
or
want
to
be
historically
factual
about
different
pieces,
then
we
should
try
to
share
as
much
of
that
with
the
public
as
possible.
G
C
B
D
C
L
One
very
minor
suggestion
might
be
that
just
procedurally,
if
you're
going
to
do
it
that
way,
you
might
want
to
label
george's
version
at
the
top,
something
like
proposed
amendments
of
alderperson
mcgonagall.
So
it's
clear
that
that's
not
the
version
that
was
voted
out
of
ca.
B
And
that
does
carry
unanimously.
Okay.
Thank
you.
So
it's
a
good
discussion.
It
is
important
to
take
time
to
to
process
these
things.
I
think
everyone
is.
I
think
it
is
important
for
our
community
to
acknowledge
that
there
are
things
that
we
could
do
to
move
the
needle
forward
and
they
may
seem
small
and
they
may
seem
insignificant.
They
are
not
insignificant
to
certain
people
so
and
I'm
thankful
that
we
have
an
organization
like
the
history
center
that
has
capacity
to
use
these
types
of
exclusive
monuments
in
educational
programming.
B
So
thank
you
ben
for
helping
us
through
this
this
evening.
You
may
want
to
mark
your
calendar
for
the
october
council
meeting
just
in
case
so.
B
You,
okay,
we
just
have
a
couple
of
other
items
to
talk
through
this
evening
and
I
lost
my
agenda.
There
we
go
so
we
were
gonna,
have
a
discussion
about
commissions,
but
I
talked
a
little
bit
about
it
with
dan.
I
felt
like
we
owed
the
chairs
that
have
been
really
diligently
waiting
and
patiently
hoping
that,
through
this
pandemic,
we
would
figure
out
how
to
do
a
restart.
B
I
felt
as
if
it
would
be
more
appropriate
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
chairs
first
dan,
and
I
have
a
couple
of
ideas
of
how
we
can
sort
of
re-energize
and
re-engage
the
commissions
on
how
they
might
be
able
to
be
reactivated,
given,
I
think,
unfortunately,
we
all
thought
by
now
we'd
be
back
in
person
and
everything
could
be
functioning
in
the
way
that
we
were
used
to
operating
it.
It
appears
that
I
mean
I'm
guessing
will
at
least
be
this
way
through
the
end
of
the
year.
So
we've
put
our
heads
together.
B
We
have
some
ideas.
We
did
not
want
to
spring
it
on
commission
chairs
in
a
public
meeting.
We
wanted
to
have
a
discussion
with
them
first,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
we
will
do
a
report
back
until
the
november
city
administration
committee
meeting
just
simply
because
we
know
that
october
is
our
budget
process,
so
just
wanted
to.
B
Let
everybody
know
that
that
that's
where
that's
going
to
end
and
if
council
members
want
to
participate
in
that
discussion,
let
us
know,
but
we
do
have
a
meeting
set
in
the
first
week
of
october
with
to
meet
with
the
commission
chairs.
So
we
will
give
you
a
our
full
concept
on
on
how
we
intend
to
to
restart
those
groups
pandemic
style,
right,
budget
process.
We
we
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
process.
We
did
do
just
a
quick
brainstorming
session.
I
think
dan
and
I
had
an
opportunity
to
connect.
B
We
know
we
have
this
process
of
the
list
and
we
originally
thought
you
know
with
this
particular
budget
and
it's
extremely
unprecedented
difficulties
that
we're
all
going
to
be
facing.
Did
it
make
sense
to
modify
the
budget
process?
We
we
do
feel
that
the
process
that
we
have
put
in
place
seems
to
work
fairly
well.
So
we
aren't
going
to
deviate
from
our
our
sort
of
standard
of
putting
things
on
a
list
and
whatnot,
but
we
wanted
to
just
talk
really
quickly
with
with
this
committee.
B
I
think
we've
been
relatively,
I
don't
know,
I
think
we
we've
allowed
ourselves
to
really
sort
of
dream
large
or
put
things
on
in
very
aspirational
terms,
or
we
would
turn
around
and
ask
steve
if
he
had
a
magic
pot
of
money
to
come
up
with
something
in
order
to
cover
something
that
we're
looking
at
doing.
B
B
So
I
just
really
wanted
to
emphasize
that
when
we
are
all
thinking
about
what
may
belong
on
a
list
for
a
modification
that
this
year,
it
might
likely
mean
the
reduction
of
additional
staff
or
a
significant
increase
in
taxes,
which
it
appears
that
we
are
probably
already
going
to
be
fairly
high
in
terms
of
what
of
what
the
tax,
the
tax
rate
might
be
for
this
particular
budget.
B
I
think
we're
going
to
need
to
show
a
little
bit
more
restraint
this
year
when
we
talk
about
what
we
should,
what
we
should
add
to
an
already,
what
is
shaping
up
to
be
a
pretty
complicated
and
pretty
tight
budget.
So
I
don't
know
if
any
of
you
had
any
thoughts
on
the
process
or
given
that
we're
going
to
be
in
this
particular
configuration
any
suggestions
for
modifications.
I
I
have
a
few
concerns
with
with
no
solutions
but
just
to
raise
them
in
case
someone
else
smarter
than
I
am
does
have
some
suggestions,
so
one
is
one
of
the
biggest
elephants
in
the
room
which
is
policing.
I
was
hoping-
and
I
was
naive,
I
think,
about
the
speed
at
which
you
know
large
efforts
like
this
can
happen,
but
I
was
hoping
we'd
have
input
before
we
went
into
the
budget
season.
I
I've
been
telling
people
well,
I
don't
feel
comfortable
acting
unilaterally
when
we
have
this
process
to
include
the
entire
community
in
in
huge
decisions
about
what
policing
looks
like
going
forward,
and-
and
so
I
I'm
just
kind
of
I'm
struggling
internally
about
what
that
means
in
terms
of
kind
of
sticking
with
the
status
quo
for
another
year
and
how
to
explain
that
to
our
constituents.
I
So
I'm
worried
about
that.
I'm
worried
about
how
to
make
those
decisions.
Then
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
areas
in
which
we
are
partnered,
with
the
county
and
and
and
the
cornell.
The
two
that
come
to
mind
are
community
housing,
development
fund
and
tcat.
I
So
I
think,
with
those
we
just
have
to
be
in
in
close
communication
with
those
two
other
partners,
because
they
they
all
require
equivalent
contributions.
I
mean
not
the
community
housing
development
fund
but
kind
of
well
understood
contributions.
B
Oh
hi,
that's!
Okay!
We're
talking
about
the
budget,
the
process,
the
the
list
and
some
other
concerns
that
we
might
want
to
talk
about
before
we
head
to
our
marathon
month
of
meeting.
C
B
A
Deb
could
could
you
or
somebody
send
a
list
of
the
budget
meeting
days
again.
B
B
Not
sure
you
sent
it
to
everyone,
I
think
there
was
a
few
of
us
that
were
still
reviewing
it
to
make
sure
departments
were
okay
with
the
nights
that
they
were
assigned.
So
that
would,
if
you
want
to
send
that
then
you'll
have
the
dates
and
then
the
nights
that
we
intend
to
talk
about
which
department.
B
B
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
about
police,
I
think
you're
right
things
didn't
happen
super
quickly
and
I
think
what
we'll
just
need
to
wait
and
see
is
what
is
included
in
the
budget
and
if
you
know,
if
we
feel
we
want
to
dedicate
a
specific
amount
of
time
to
talking
about
what
that
looks
like
then
we
can.
I
think
we
also
had
talked
a
little
bit
about
the
public
hearing.
B
I
know
that
for
our
meetings
we've
been
kind
of
limiting
it
to
a
particular
number
and
an
hour
dan,
and
I
have
talked
that
for
the
budget
process.
We
think
we
might
limit
the
time
that
someone
can
talk
but
not
necessarily
limit
the
number
we
want
to
didn't
want
people
to
feel
like
we
were
sort
of
restricting
or
muffling
what
input
into
the
budget
process
could
be.
So
I
don't
know
if
people
will
feel
okay
with
that.
B
B
B
G
You
know
we
often
just
list
them
in
the
order
that
we
that
we
add
them
to
the
list
and-
and
I
I
felt
like
there
were
times
when
I
wished-
we
had
come
to
a
more
collective
agreement
about
prioritizing
that
somehow,
as
we
then
went
down
the
list
and
attacked
them,
so
I
don't
know,
I
know
it
might
add
another
step,
but
I
feel
like
it
would
help
us
get
through
the
list
more
efficiently.
E
C
B
No,
it's
fine.
We
know,
there's
not
magic
money
maneuvering.
We
can
do
in
order
to
find
pots
of
money
this
year
where
we
might
have
been
able
to
do
that
in
the
past.
So
I
think
what
we
are
thinking
is
putting
something
on
the
list
is
you're
going
to
have
to
be
able
to
say
where
the
money
is
coming
from
and
this
year
putting
something
on
the
list
means
significant
tax
increase
or
a
a
different
position
that
gets
eliminated
right.
B
So
we'll
want
to
be
thinking
quite
seriously
about
what
we
propose
goes
on
the
list,
because
the
impact
of
a
modification
to
this
particular
budget
will
be
quite
different
than
maybe
we've
had
to
handle
in
in
past
years.
So
your
problem
may
not
exist
this
year
because
we
may
not
have
many
things
on
the
list
to
begin.
K
B
So
I'm
just
asking
council
to
really
sort
of
reserve
that
list
for
absolutely
crucial
items
that
you
you
have
a
way
to
potentially
fund
really
when
you
put
that
on
the
list-
and
we
also
talked
about
when
we
go
through
that
list,
we
often
second
something
just
to
be
collegial
or
supportive
or
to
have
additional
discussion.
B
I
really
feel
that
for
this
year,
if
you,
if
you
move
to
include
if
something
is
moved
and
then
if
it
is
seconded,
you
should
really
intend
to
actually
vote
for
it
if
it
is
seconded
right,
so
I
mean
sometimes
our
discussion
can
sway
people's
opinions.
So
that's
fine
and
I
I
still
want
to
be
respectful
of
our
process,
but
I
think
we
are
going
to
have
a
harder
time
with
our
le
with
this
list
concept
this
year,
just
prepping
everyone,
it's
not
really
a
pep
talk.
B
Sorry,
there's
nothing
peppy
about
this
budget,
so
all
right
I'll,
just
really
quickly.
Damn
without
your
hand,.
P
B
We
could
do
that
or
or
something
as
simple
as
if
you
could
only
pick
one
thing
on
that
list.
What
would
it
be
yeah,
yeah,
we'll
think
about
it,
we'll
we'll
come
up
with
something
once
we
see
how
long
how
long
the
list
is.
I
think
that
problem
might
solve
itself
this
year,
but
it's
you
know
we'll
have
to
see
we'll
have
to
wait
and
see
so
just
really
quickly.
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
that
steve
and
or
shelly
didn't
want
to
give
any
updates
to
the
committee
before
we
moved
to
adjourn.
E
Now
I
don't
have
anything
right
now.
I
will
say
that
soon
you
will
be
getting
to
hear
more
and
more
about.
What's
going
on
with
reinventing
policing
a
lot
lots
going
on
behind
the
scenes
right
now,.
B
F
Yeah,
I
don't
really
have
anything
we're
just
busy
putting
the
final
touches
on
the
budget,
so
obviously
we'll
have
great
discussion
on
on
the
budget
in
a
couple
weeks,
but
it's
it's
been
difficult.
F
A
I'd
just
like
to
give
everybody
a
heads
up:
I've
I
think
I've
told
everyone.
I've
been
working
on
a
letter
to
state
assembly
and
senate
and
the
governor,
urging
them
to
pass
legislation
which
is
being
considered
right
now.
That
would
allow
municipal
employees
to
retire
after
25
years
of
service
and
being
over
55
years
of
age
at
with
full
30-year
benefits,
and
that
would
include.
A
Employees
who,
during
this
covid
crisis
and
during
these
furloughs,
decided
to
that
they
needed
to
change
their
retirement
plans
and
retire
early
in
order
to
keep
their
health
care
benefits
and
extend
them
with
unpaid
leave,
etc.
So
I've
been
working
on
that
letter
and
I've.
It's
pretty
much
done
and
julie's
going
to
help
me
pretty
it
up,
and
so
I
should
have
that
for
your
consideration
next
week
and
hopefully,
if
you
all
like
it,
we
can
all
sign
it
and
send
it
to
the
appropriate
state
officials.
B
Great,
thank
you
all
right.
Normally
we
talk
about
agenda
items
for
our
next
meeting,
but
we
are
going
to
be
spending
all
of
october
together
on
budget,
so
our
next
meeting
will
be
budget
focused.
So
really
all
we
need,
if,
if
nobody
has
anything
else,
is
just
a
motion
to
adjourn
all
right,
graham
seconded,
by
rob
great
all
those
in
favor.