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From YouTube: October 29, 2020 Budget Meeting #5 and Public Hearing
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A
Okay,
great,
we
are
ready
to
get
started
here
today.
We
have
two
things
we
are.
We
are
doing
as
a
continuation
of
our
budget
deliberations,
so
we're
starting
today
with
a
public
hearing
and
then
after
the
public
hearing
is
finished,
we
will
go
into
our
deliberations
for
the
budget.
So
first,
what
we
need
is
someone
to
make
a
motion
to
open
the
public
hearing,
stephen
seconded
by
donna
and
then
all
those
in
favor
and
that
carries
unanimously.
Thank
you.
A
So
what
I
want
to
do
first,
as
you
know,
because
we're
in
this
virtual
land
of
how
we
have
been
engaging
with
the
public,
we
have
multiple
ways
for
the
public
to
be
able
to
communicate
with
us
in
addition
to
the
people
that
we
have
lined
up
in
the
queue
to
speak
for
the
public
hearing
tonight,
we
have
several
comments
that
were
emailed
to
us
directly
related
to
our
public
hearing
and
just
to
remind
everyone
that
this
public
hearing
is
specifically
on
the
budget
and
the
budget
process.
A
So
I'm
just
going
to
quickly
summarize
the
comments
that
we
received
in
written
form,
but
those
will
be
included
with
the
minutes
of
this
meeting.
So
we
had
seven
and
all
of
the
people
that
commented
were
from
indicated
they
were
from
either
ithaca
or
city
of
ithaca.
A
We
had
seven
comments
in
support
for
putting
additional
funding
into
neighborhood
revitalization
organizations
and
essentially
reallocating
funding
from
the
police
budget
and
the
elimination
of
the
swat
group.
That
was
a
group
of
about
seven
people
with
the
same
sentiment.
We
had
four
written
comments
submitted
specifically
that
requested
financial
support
for
the
own
broken
promise
initiative,
and
there
was
one
one
comment
that
came
in.
That
was
please
vote
in
opposition
to
any
funding
reductions
for
the
ithaca
police
department.
A
So
that's
what
we
got
in
writing
and
so,
essentially,
the
the
way
that
this
will
work
is
dan
will
be
moving
people
in
one
by
one
and
again,
to
reiterate
again,
we
need
to
know
what
your
name
is.
So
if
you're
in
the
waiting
room
and
you're
not
identified
by
your
name
on
the
zoom
attendees
list,
we
will
not
be
able
to
move
you
in.
A
So
if
you
have
a
way
to
indicate
to
us
who
you
are
so
you
so
you'll
be
allowed
able
to
come
in
to
speak,
that
would
be
great
just
a
reminder
of
our
decorum
and
procedure.
We're
all
here
because
we're
very
passionate
about
the
topics
that
we
care
about.
But
we
want
to
remember
that
we
are
going
to
be
as
respectful
as
possible
and
dan
has
put
a
reminder
of
that
into
the
chat
as
well,
and
you
will
have
three
minutes
to
speak.
A
If
you
want
to
be
able
to
see
that
timer
clicking
down,
you'll
need
to
be
able
to
see
the
zoom
screen.
There
is
a
specific
corner
of
the
screen
where
the
timer
will
be
counting
down,
and
I
believe
I
can
turn
it
over
to
dan
to
start
letting
our
public
commenters
into
the
meeting.
B
C
Hi,
can
everyone
hear
me
yup?
Okay,
hi,
everybody,
sorry
my
video's
not
on
tonight.
I
look
like
today,
but
I
wanted
to
talk
to
you
guys,
of
course,
about
the
police
budget
and
about
the
amendments
that
are
proposed
to
it
and
about
you
know
the
limited
funds
and
and
how
they
can
be
allocated
across
the
city.
I
from
the
beginning
have
had
a
strong
feeling
about
like
reallocating
funds
to
neighborhood.
Revitalization,
as
others
have
noted,
a
really
good
job
was
done
on
that
this
past
year.
C
There
could
always
be
more,
that's
done
but
like
as
we
come
up
on
a
crunch
year.
I
think
that
that's
probably
multiple
crunch
years.
I
think
that
minimizing
the
impact
that's
going
to
have
on
our
neighborhoods
and
infrastructure
is
really
important
and
as
far
as
how
the
amendment
to
the
mayor's
proposed
budget
for
the
police
and
stuff
is
is
being
cast
by
the
police
department
themselves.
C
The
main
topic
that
I
want
to
talk
about
here
is
the
fact
that,
like
a
lot
of
the
rhetoric,
that's
used
to
defend
the
idea
of
putting
more
money
into
the
police
department,
whether
that's
more
money
in
general,
giving
them
more
staff
or
just
not
cutting
them
as
much
most
of
that
comes
down
to
fear
and
it
comes
down
to
stoking
fear
about
violent
crime.
Fear
of
the
people
who
are
around
us
in
our
city,
fear
of
the
people
who
honestly
are
just
suffering
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic.
C
I
think
that
we
focus
a
lot
on
punishing
those
crimes
as
a
deterrent
to
instill
fear
in
people
and
try
to
scare
them
into
not
committing
them
without
addressing
the
reasons
that
those
crimes
are
committed.
In
the
first
place,
which
is
people's
basic
needs
not
being
met,
a
desperate
person
is
way
way
way
more
dangerous
than
somebody
who's
not
solely
like,
and
that's
we're
all
responsible
for
that,
especially
people
in
government
who
are
deciding
in
a
lot
of
ways
who
and
how
becomes
desperate.
Where
does
money
go?
C
And
I
think
that,
as
far
as
keeping
the
community
safer
like
the
police
coming
and
saying
that
that's
only
going
to
happen
if
they
get
more
money
and
that
if
they
get
less
money,
people
are
going
to
get
hurt
because
officers
are
going
to
be
stressed,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
That's
not
like
a
budget
recommendation.
C
That's
a
ransom.
I
don't
think
that
we
can
treat
the
police
as
this
inevitable
entity
that
are
going
to
hurt
people
if
we
don't
pour
enough
money
into
them
and
it's
not
even
that
we
necessarily
need
or
want
better
policing
it's
just
that
we
want
less
policing
and
more
community
safety.
That's
not
punitive
and
doesn't
deter
with
fear.
B
Okay,
so
next
is
stephanie
heslop
and
following
stephanie
will
be
marissa
lansing.
A
D
D
E
F
Hi
everybody
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
marissa
lansing
and
I
live
in
the
first
ward.
Additionally,
I
serve
on
the
city
of
ithaca's
green
new
deal,
advisory
board,
the
ign
community
engagement
and
outreach
group
and
help
coordinate
the
youth-led
climate
justice
group
sunrise
ithaca,
I'm
in
deep
appreciation
of
the
work
that
each
of
you
do.
I
know
there's
so
much
pressure
and
stress
in
this
moment
of
a
global
pandemic,
climate
crisis
and
racial
uprisings,
and
so
much
more.
F
So
thank
you
again
for
your
commitment
to
this
work,
I'm
speaking
today
in
full
support
of
the
demands
brought
forward
by
the
tompkins
anti-racist
coalition,
and
in
doing
this
I
also
really
want
to
challenge
the
narrative
that
surrounds
the
thursday
actions
and
arrests
last
week
and
the
weekly
protests
in
general.
F
The
young
people
engaged
in
this
protest
are
often
depicted
as
troublemakers
which
has
made
them
a
target
for
the
police
and
further,
emphasizing
that
the
police
department
is
not
actually
keeping
us
safe,
putting
black
brown
trans
and
queer
young
people,
the
most
vulnerable
members
of
our
community,
that
we
should
be
supporting
at
risk.
F
Young
people
are
being
very
brave
and
holding
those
in
positions
of
power
accountable,
witnessing
what
happened
on
thursday
was
horrific
and
really
a
disappointment
for
our
community
young
people
that
were
there
had
a
right
to
be
and
were
rightfully
protesting,
and
the
rest
that
led
up
to
that
moment
were
completely
unjust
and
very
disappointing
to
see
young
people
had
the
bravery
to
stand
up
and
say
that
something
was
wrong.
As
folks
have
been
for
months,
the
police
officers
had
advanced
on
us
that
were
protesting
peacefully
and
attempted
to
cause
complete
chaos.
F
Anyone
who
even
saw
the
video
you
can
see
that
they're
pushing
and
shoving
civilians
and
tearing
people
to
the
ground.
They
continue
to
advance
on
young
people
that
were
not
moving
forward
and
deployed
pepper
spray
on
peaceful
protesters.
That
was
a
grotesque
use
of
force
very
traumatizing,
and
they
need
to
be
held
accountable
for
this.
In
my
line
of
work,
we
believe
in
abolition.
We
know
that
we
have
to
fundamentally
transform
the
energy
systems
that
power
our
societies,
fossil
fuels,
something
that's
hurting
us
and
making
our
community
sick.
F
This
is
like
the
policing
system,
which
is
not
working.
We
need
a
just
transition
to
something
bold
and
what
we've
never
had
or
imagined
before
something
new,
and
we
are
building
that
system
right
now
and
we
can
do
the
same
thing
with
policing.
We
can
have
abolition,
we
can
envision
something
new
and
different
here
together,
it's
actually
really
exciting
opportunity.
F
We
can
transition
to
a
safety
system
that
serves
our
community,
that
doesn't
mobilize
against
us
that
protects
people
over
property.
The
community
has
spoken
and
is
continuing
to
speak.
We
have
said
that
we
want
to
see
and
are
willing
to
participate
to
be
part
of
that
change.
We
can
be
on
the
leading
edge
of
transformative
justice
and
community
accountability
and
safety.
F
I'm
excited
to
see
in
the
budget
the
investment
of
funds
in
giac,
the
ign
youth
bureau
and
south
side.
This
is
the
kind
of
community
building
that
we
need
instead
of
the
continued
investment
in
our
race
of
racist
punitive
justice
system.
So
again,
I
fully
support
the
demands
laid
forward
by
the
anti-racist
coalition
and
thank
you
for
your
time.
G
H
H
The
ethical
police
department
is
a
dangerous
waste
of
money
that
needs
to
be
defunded.
Their
use
of
city
money
is
abhorrent,
as
was
exemplified
with
their
very
bad
day.
Last
thursday
there
were
two
deputy
chiefs
of
police
present
at
the
politically
charged
racist
arrest
of
messiah
white
saunders,
vincent
monticello
and
john
jolie.
H
Let's
talk
about
these
people.
Vincent
monsantel,
vincent
monticello,
is
a
racist
piece
of
trash.
Protecting
local
white
supremacists
god
given
right
to
promote
eugenics,
ipd
plays
nice
and
swiftly
arrests,
nazi
vandals,
which
is
very
easy
enough
when
some
anti-fascists
leak,
their
names
faces
and
evidence
against
them,
but
the
police's
staunch
and
violent
opposition
towards
racial
justice,
rallies
emboldens
nazi
activity,
their
hate
crimes
occurred
just
days
after
ipd
pepper,
sprayed
kids
protesting
for
racial
justice.
H
I
quote
a
back
the
blue
supporter,
I'm
glad
vincent
monticello
sides
with
back
the
blue
and
supports
us.
It
sends
the
message
that
blm
doesn't
matter
and
the
police
will
back
us
up.
So
black
lives
better.
Be
scared
because
if
we
bring
knives
and
guns
the
police
won't
protect
anyone
from
our
righteous
authority.
H
This
rhetoric
reminds
me
of
ipd,
deputy
chief
john
jolie,
john
jolie
couldn't
keep
his
lid
on
when
I
was
chained
to
a
bench
inside
the
police
station
for
standing
on
the
sidewalk,
and
he
let
slip
an
embarrassing
rant
about
how
protesters
are
bad.
His
words
were
roughly
that
people
want
us
to
deal
with
you
so
badly,
but
we
can't
you
are
dividing
the
community
and
tearing
this
town
to
the
ground.
He
also
seemed
to
worship
some
future
date
where
everything
would
change
and
he
would
finally
be
able
to
deal
with
us.
H
The
talk
of
the
town
is
that
john
jolie
is
a
card-carrying
clansman
who
definitely
attends
the
kkk
meetings.
Is
that
how
things
are
run
around
here?
One
deputy
chief
to
trot
around
oinking
obstruction,
arresting
black
men
that
get
knives
pulled
on
them
as
a
distraction
from
the
man
in
the
white
hood
behind
the
other
desk.
H
So
what
do
you
do
with
an
organization
that
has
let
such
vile
filth
rise
to
the
top
of
the
barrel?
Do
you
scoop
out
the
grody
layer
and
replace
it
with
some
equivalent,
or
do
you
disband
the
police
department?
George
floyd
was
murdered
in
minneapolis,
but
all
the
same,
our
pigs
have
their
knees
on
our
community
members.
Next
reparations
for
rose
and
kaji
no
more
names.
A
G
All
right,
so
let
me
let
me
let
me
try
to
recover
here.
So
veronica
is
next,
so
I'm
letting
in
veronica
and
after
veronica
is.
G
I
Get
light
up
all
right
good
evening,
council
and
administrative
america
here,
I'm
honestly
feeling
a
little
shaken
right
now
from
the
quotes
that
ari
just
shared
with
us.
So
forgive
me
if
I'm
off
and
I
urge
you
to
take
what
she
shared
seriously
when
thinking
about
our
police
department,
like
everyone
before
me,
I'm
pretty
much
here
to
ask
lending
away
from
the
ithaca
police
department
and
to
community
support
and
development
initiatives,
at
least
as
much
as
in
the
proposed
budget.
If
not
much
more.
I
So
I
co-sign
everything
that
genevieve
said
that
marissa
said
that
stephanie
said
that
ari
said.
I
also
listened
to
some
of
some
of
your
past
budget
meetings
this
month.
I
have
want
to
add
a
little
more
in
response
to
some
things
I
heard
so.
I
heard
the
police
chief
coming
on
and
comparing
a
lot
of
numerical
stats
in
ithaca
to
averages
around
the
country
certain
experts.
It
means
that
we
spend
at
least
25
of
our
budget
on
the
police,
which
seems
wild
to
me.
I
What
I
hear
is
he's
advocating
for
the
status
quo
of
policing,
as
is,
and
really
digging
our
heels
in
on
that,
and
I
don't
know
why
the
city
of
ithaca
would
want
to
clench
so
hard
onto
the
status
quo.
When,
as
marissa
said,
we
could
be
at
the
forefront
of
really
leaning
into
transformative
justice
really
changing
how
we
approach
reducing
what
we
call
crime
in
this
community.
I
I
also
heard
the
police
chief
say
that
he
really
wanted
to
be
proactive
and
not
reactive,
but
I
want
to
remind
everyone
that
policing
is
designed
to
be
reactive.
It
was
designed
not
designed
to
support
the
health
of
communities.
It
was
designed
to
respond
to
like
sickness
in
the
community,
as
genevieve
said
what
we
call.
Crime
comes
out
from
people
who
are
just
trying
to
survive,
who
do
not
have
their
basic
needs
met.
I
So
if
we
want
to
address
that
issue,
I
think
it's
important
to
invest
funds
into
initiatives
that
have
been
proactive
from
day
one
like
the
unbroken
promise
initiative.
I
know
they've
asked
for
money.
I
know
they
asked
late,
but
I
think
that's
what
budget
amendments
are
for
initiatives
like
southside
community
center
proactive
from
day
one
I'm
glad
to
see
they're
getting
a
good
jump
of
chunk
of
funding.
I
So
urge
you
to
consider
that
that's
where
the
health
of
our
community
lies
and
at
the
risk
of
being
cliche,
put
your
money
where
your
mouth
is,
I've
heard
people
say:
oh
they're
gonna,
do
it
whether
we
contribute
or
not,
but
which
is
true,
our
community
is
awesome,
but
you
all
can
also
contribute
with
the
money
you
have.
Thank
you.
E
Okay,
thank
you,
so
ellie
pepper
is
next
and
ally
after
ellie
will
be
well.
I
don't
see.
Cat
hats
in
there
so
looks
like
keane
will
be
next.
J
Okay,
hello,
so
I
was
there
last
thursday
and
I
know
a
lot
of
people
have
spoken
about
this,
but
I
feel
like
it's
worth
reiterating
here's
what
I
know.
J
I
know
folks
have
talked
about
this,
but
I
think
it's
important.
This
is
all
to
say
that
I'm
ready
to
get
my
tax
dollars
out
of
a
system
that
racially
targets,
misgenders
brutalizes
and
kills
my
friend
for
simply
existing
I'm
ready
for
a
world
that
doesn't
get
people
pepper,
sprayed
for
pursuing
justice
that
doesn't
permit
taxes
to
go
up
at
all
during
an
economic
recession,
but
instead
cuts
50
positions
in
the
police
department
to
stem
this
budgetary
crisis.
J
B
Okay,
thank
you.
Next
up,
king
and
after
kim
will
be
messiah.
E
B
K
I
support
defunding
the
ipd,
in
accordance
with
the
anti-racist
coalition.
Ipd,
doesn't
need
12,
13
million
dollars
to
just
what
to
do.
What
stand
around,
because
prior
to
the
arrest
of
a
black
man
who
was
an
abject
fear
of
his
life
after
a
knife
was
brainaged
on
him
by
a
trump
supporter
who
wished
death
upon
him.
Vincent
monticello
watched
a
car
crash
happen
in
front
of
him,
along
with
his
sidekick,
and
both
officers
stood
by
and
watched,
while
community
members
sprang
in
action.
K
Following
the
arrest
arrest
of
said,
black
member
multiple
protesters
pulled
up
at
ipd
in
accord
and
and
asked
for
their
freedom.
Along
with
this,
we
were
met
with
violence.
Along
with
this,
we
were
met
with
pepper
spray,
and
people
were
tossed
to
the
ground
and
stomped
on
as
well
as
another
individual
was
strangled.
K
Many
of
which
of
these
people
are
miners.
Ipd
doesn't
need
13
million
dollars;
they
want
13
million
dollars.
Ipd
keeps
saying
that
they're
stretched
thin,
but
yet
they
had
all
the
cops
in
the
world
tow,
arrest
and
and
beat
up
on
protesters
that
were
peaceful
during
on
thursday.
Yet
a
murder
of
a
black
man
happened
the
day
before
that,
so
what
is
going
on
somebody's
lying
and
these
numbers
are
not
adding
up,
because
ipd
also
had
four
people
to
arrest
the
black
man
who
was
in
fear
for
his
life.
So
these
numbers
I'm
not
understanding.
K
What
is
ipd
either
stretched
then
or
do
they
have
the
numbers?
Because
here's
the
thing
ipd
says:
oh,
they
don't
have
enough
cops
to
do
so,
and
so,
but
if
ip
doesn't
have
enough
cops,
you
know
what
they
do.
They
call
in
the
tonkins
county
sheriff's
department
to
do
their
dirty
work
and
beat
up
on
kids.
They
call
in
the
state
police
to
beat
up
on
marginalized
communities
like
ipd
doesn't
need
any
more
cops.
In
fact
they
need
less,
and
I
need
that
to
start
with
deputy
chief
monticello.
I
want
his
badge.
K
This
is
ridiculous.
It's
embarrassing
the
type
of
stuff
ipd
does
what
is
going
on.
What
do
they
need
more
money
so
that
they
can
kick
in
people's
doors,
because
I
heard
ipd's
saying
that
they
they
that
they're
investigating
multiple
things,
but
the
only
thing
I've
seen
ipd
investigating
was
protesters
and
showing
up
the
house
of
miners.
Meanwhile,
multiple
people
have
been
getting
robbed
and
no
arrests
have
been
made
in
any
of
these
robberies.
So
I
don't
understand
what
is
going
on
going
on
with
ipd
ipd
doesn't
need
13
million
they
they.
What
they're?
Not.
K
K
This
isn't
they
don't
need
more
money,
that's
called
as
hustle.
They
want
more
money,
ipd
targets,
marginalized
communities,
that's
called
racism.
This
is
like
what
this
is
ridiculous.
They'll
save
face
and
and
hunt
down
the
white
supremacists.
Meanwhile,
protesters
have
been
complaining
about
being
targeted
targeted
by
white
supremacists
this
entire
time,
and
not
a
single
arrest
has
been
made
for
any
of
that.
But
thanks
for
getting
the
guy
doing
the
celtic
cross,
that
was
dope.
B
Thanks
time's
up,
then
we
have
messiah
white
saunders.
You
can
go
ahead
and
start
talking
as
long
as
you're
unmuted
messiah.
B
L
All
right,
this
is
what
I
need
to
say,
because
this
is
very
important.
I
messiah
white
saunders
am
a
citizen
out
here
in
ithaca,
new
york,
and
the
mayor
knows
me
personally.
I
met
him
at
chili's
in
ithaca.
I
will
tell
my
whole
story.
I
know
I
have
three
minutes
so
I'll,
keep
it
short,
but
shout
out
to
all
the
people
that
just
talk.
L
I
appreciate
and
love
every
single
one
of
them
because
they
brought
up
valid
points,
so
I
don't
need
to
reiterate
what
they
just
said,
and
you
hear
me
speaking
right
now,
I'm
speaking
out
of
anger
because
of
what
happened
to
us
as
a
people.
That's
not
right!
You
don't
treat
people
the
way
that
they've
been
treating
us
and
I'm
gonna
I'll
continue
to
say
it
I'll
continue
to
say
it
outside
all
that
black
lives
matter.
Remember
that
trans
lives
matter.
L
Remember
that,
yes,
we
do
recognize
that
all
people's
lives
matter,
but
for
the
fact
of
this
situation,
if
you
guys
do
not
just
continue
to
realize
that
our
lives
also
matter,
then
we
will
continue
to
keep
chanting
black
lives
matter
until
our
voices
are
heard,
and
I
will
be-
I
promise
you.
I
will
be
the
leader
at
every
single
event
that
we
have
to
let
people
know.
L
People
know
that
I
will
be
their
voice
and
you
you
will
not
silence
the
truth,
because
you
know
that
what
is
being
done
is
is
wrong,
and
if
this
man
monticello
does
not
lose
his
job,
I
will
personally
do
what
I
can
in
my
power
under
the
law.
Yes,
I
will
follow
the
protocols
of
the
law.
I
I
know
how
to
be
smart
see.
This
is
the
problem
with
police
they.
I
know
some
of
them
think
that
I'm
stupid,
because
I've
been
to
jail
and
stuff
like
that.
Excuse
my
language.
L
I
know
there
are
people
watching
that
are
underage
and
I
know
there
are
people
listening
because
I
know
what
goes
on.
I
know
people
are
watching
on
youtube,
but
I
want
to
just
get
to
the
point
that
what
has
been
done
last
thursday
is
not
right
at
all
and
we,
the
people,
will
not
stand
for
that.
No
longer
yeah,
you
want
pros,
you
want
peaceful
protests,
then
give
us
what
we
demand.
We
demand
the
change,
a
real
change,
I'm
not
going
to
stand
and
I'm
not
going
to
sit
back
and
be
silent.
L
My
voice
will
be
heard
and
I
will
be
posting
every
single
pers,
every
single
post
I
post
on
my
social
media
will
be
heard.
I
have
already
got
keep
going
I'll
keep
going.
I
already
got
nfl
to
look
at
my
my
stuff.
You
want
to
keep
going.
I
got
ibm
to
look
at
my
stuff.
Look
at
the
video
I
will
keep
going.
L
I
will
keep
tagging
these
people
until
it's
do
you
want
me
to
take
it
global
or
do
you
want
to
keep
it
in
ithaca
and
let's
keep
it
right
here,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
so
we
have
to
make
a
big
deal
about
it.
Do
you
want
that?
Just
answer
me
that
this
I
want
to
answer
right
now.
Do
you?
What
do
you
want?
L
This
is
real.
This
is
me
talking
this.
Is
god
talking
through
me?
What
do
you
want?
Because
you
see
that
emotion
not
showing
that
video?
That's
real
life
people
out
here
talking
about
instagram,
this
double
tap
this,
I'm
not
with
that
all
right,
we're
gonna!
This
is
real
life.
This
is
what
I
want.
I
want
for
my
people,
so
I
know
that
my
people
have
been
after
me
can
feel
safe
on
the
streets,
because
sometimes
we
don't
feel
safe.
We
feel
like
the
police
are
going
to
attack
us.
L
B
So
now
is
melanie
marsh
and
after
melanie
is
jim
mackler.
So
let
me
that
melanie
in.
M
M
The
resignation
of
deputy
deputy
chief
vincent
monticello
city
council
invests
13
million
dollars
in
one
year
into
ipd,
while
the
budget
for
youth
programs
is
only
3
million,
and
can
we
also
talk
about
the
fact
that
the
tax
dollars
of
the
actual
residents
of
the
city
of
ithaca
are
going
directly
to
the
resources
such
as?
Let's
see
the
1
140
000,
a
lot
of
dollars
to
clothing
alone
for
the
ipd
budget,
most
of
these
officers
don't
even
reside
in
the
city
of
ithaca
and
do
not
pay
taxes
here.
M
M
This
week,
when
deputy
chief
monticello
arrested
a
black
man
for
no
reason
and
then
continued
to
arrest
a
trans
woman
for
no
reason
and
continued
to
misgender
her
when
he
admitted
he
knows
who
she
is
personally
not
once
did
vincent
talk
to
anyone
or
try
to
have
a
civil
conversation.
He
angrily
and
aggressively
arrested
calm
civilians
for
no
reason.
Maybe
this
explains
why
folks
are
not
so
eager
to
have
coffee
with
a
cop
or
have
a
conversation
with
you.
Monticello
demonstrated
for
ipd
on
thursday
that
conversations
with
with
ipd
do
not
work.
M
I
personally
talked
to
officer
james
balzac
on
the
street
one
day
and
asked
him
about
how
he
feels
about
the
fact
that
he's
a
part
of
a
police
department
that
was
involved
in
the
murder
of
a
black
man,
sean
greenwood.
All
he
could
tell
me
was
quote
that
was
well
before
my
time.
Clearly,
ipd
is
still
racist,
scum
and
always
has
been
from
the
murder
of
sean
greenwood
to
the
brutalization
of
rose
and
koji
to
the
countless
videos
of
racist
patrolling
in
west
village
ipd.
M
M
From
the
community's
perspective,
you
can
maybe
even
look
internally
in
2014
office,
derrick
moore,
a
black
man
sued
the
ethical
police,
benevolent
association
for
claiming
racial
bias
in
2014
sarah
crews,
a
queer
non-very
non-binary
cop
sued,
the
police,
benevolent
association
for
lgbtq
discrimination.
I
will
never
defend
any
pigs
because
I
believe
all
people
who
decide
to
be
a
part
of
this
abusive
broken
system
are
bad,
but
now
you
can
see
that
the
abuse
and
discrimination
happens
internally
too,
mayor
myrick.
So
please,
please
do
something
anything.
Your
complicity
in
this
situation
is
extremely
dangerous.
M
E
N
Okay,
so
exactly
we
could
go
out
outside
ipd
recording
what
the
cops
had
flippantly
decided
was:
an
unlawful
assembly
at
as
people
peacefully
protested,
vincent
monticello's,
racist
arrest
of
a
black
man
whose
life
had
been
threatened
at
knifepoint
after
vince,
was
the
one
who
had
actually
clearly
directed
people
to
go
to
the
station
to
talk
about
it,
they
pulled
out
their
batons,
pepper,
sprayed
us
during
a
pandemic
and
out
of
all
of
the
officer
officers,
names
and
badges
I
asked
for,
of
which
I
think
I
asked
for
at
least
12.,
the
only
officer
that
did
not
blatantly
ignore
me
and
act
as
if
he
could
not
hear
me
was
officer
julie
after
this
julie
threatened
me
with
arrest
for
recording
three
officers,
as
they
threw
one
man
to
the
ground,
damaging
his
glasses,
as
I
asked
for
their
badge
numbers
and
names
which
they
completely
ignored
me
returning
to
stephanie's
question
earlier
regarding
who
protects
then
who's
protected
and
who's
served
by
ipd.
N
I
know
for
a
fact
that
none
of
this
is
that
it
is
not
the
citizens
citizens
of
ithaca.
I've
experienced
firsthand
the
ways
in
which
ipd
traumatizes
and
makes
ithaca
the
ithaca
community
unsafe.
We
need
to
begin
to
process.
We
need,
we
need
sorry.
I
am
very
charged
right
now
because
of
the
fact
that
I
have,
and
so
many
of
my
friends
have
sustained
literal
emotional
trauma
from
what
had
happened
a
week
ago.
N
We
need
to
begin
the
process
of
defunding
ipd,
getting
rid
of
swot
all
together
and
reallocating
their
budget
into
community
services
that
help
families
that
have
fallen
into
poverty
and
those
who
have
sunk
deeper
into
its
clutches,
resulting
in
homelessness.
It
is
supposed
to
start
snowing
tomorrow.
Yes,
tomorrow
and
people
are
living
on
the
streets
of
this
town,
this
town,
which
we
call
a
bubble
of
happiness
and
joy
outside
of
reality.
N
Okay,
not
only
are
people
going
to
be
exposed
to
this
harsh
weather,
but
they
are
also
also
going
to
be
exposed
to
the
added
terror
of
a
pandemic.
What
is
more
important
to
our
community
making
sure
that
every
citizen
is
physically
safe
with
food
and
housing
security
during
a
winter
during
the
winter
and
a
pandemic,
or
making
sure
that
a
bigoted
lazy
officer
like
monticello
has
the
resources
to
terrorize
residents?
However,
they
see
fit,
I
yield
my
time.
Thank
you.
B
Thank
you,
so
jordan
clemens
is
next
and
I
guess
I
don't
see
who's
after.
Let's
see
here,
go
ahead
and
I'll,
let
jordan
in
looks
like
I
see
andrew
keldorf
will
be
afterwards
go
ahead.
Jordan.
O
Hello,
how
you
doing
after
hearing
you
know
messiah,
I'm
a
little
taken
back,
but
I
I'm
jordan
clemens
with
unbroken
promise
founder,
I
like
to
bring
attention
about
the
community.
O
You
know
as
a
whole.
I
believe
that
in
order
for
us
to
really
to
move
forward
and
be
together
is
to
essentially
address
the
things
that
have
not
been
conducive
to
a
community
that
is
together
and
bringing
us
together.
O
I
like
to
speak
specifically
about
the
community
on
the
west
end
in
west
village,
community
and
the
chestnut
apartments
community.
We
go
door-to-door.
My
family
is
in
these
communities.
I
was
born
and
raised
in
these
communities
right
here
in
ithaca
and
there's
a
lot
of
despair.
There
there's
a
lot
of
hopelessness
there.
O
As
I
reiterated
at
some
of
the
at
some
of
the
rallies
that
that
I
led
I
did
not
have
the
privilege
of
of
enjoying
ithaca's
gorgeousness.
O
I
had
to
overcome
ithaca's
nightmare
and
I
speak
to
that
in
regards
to
the
fact
that
people
who
are
in
positions
of
power
and
authority
and
control
do
not
speak
on
behalf
or
do
not
represent,
in
my
opinion,
being
that
kid
that
grew
up
and
now
being
an
adult
who's
been
advocating
for
children
do
not
or
have
not
met
met.
O
In
my,
in
my
opinion,
the
expectations
needed
for
a
community
and
a
specific
demographic
with
the
disenfranchised
and
marginalized
people
on
the
west
end,
and
I
just
I
just
like
with
that
being
said-
I'm
not
pointing
fingers
we're
here
for
the
solution.
O
What
I
would
like
to
call
is
for
everyone
to
reflect
on
what
has
happened
prior
to
george
floyd
and
really
have
an
honest
conversation.
Bring
g
act,
bring
southside
bring
ithaca
youth
bureau,
bring
the
bring
police,
bring
the
local
government,
the
council
members.
Everyone
needs
to
be
at
the
table,
bring
if
the
campaign
fairers
black
hands
universal,
unbroken
promise
initiative
all
of
our
community
together
to
reflect
on
what
has
happened.
O
B
Thank
you.
I
am
going
to
let
in
andrew
sheldorf
and
then
there
is
one
more
person
in
the
waiting
room
who
I
don't
know
who
it
is.
So
I
will
when
we
get
there,
I
will
let
them
talk
and
tell
us
who
they
are
and
then
we
can
see
if
they've
signed
up.
P
I'm
going
to
keep
this
pretty
short
and
sweet
and
to
the
point
mostly
because
I'm
echoing
and
standing
in
solidarity
with
statements
that
were
made
from
others
before
me.
So
I
am
just
another
voice
here
asking
for
the
defunding
of
ipd
and
commitment
to
support
community
involvement.
We
need
to
produce
and
defund
ipd
and
commit
that
funding
to
empower
community
programs,
mental
health
assistance
to
help
the
houseless
and
displaced
individuals
and
support
our
communities
of
color.
P
It
is
ridiculous
to
me
that
we
spend
nearly
13
million
dollars
on
ipd,
while
we
commit
only
9
million
dollars
in
total
to
fund
youth
and
community
programs
programs
that
support
and
connect
all
of
ithaca.
That
money
is
split
between
g-ac
youth
programs,
southside
community
center,
as
well
as
maintaining
our
parks
and
public
spaces.
We
need
to
invest
more
into
our
community
spaces
and
community
building
areas
such
as
southside
community
center,
which
does
amazing
work
to
support
and
uplift
the
community,
as
well
as
the
unbroken
promises
initiative.
These
community
programs
directly.
P
As
you've
probably
heard
a
municipality's
budget
is
a
moral
document,
and
this
budget
should
demonstrate
our
commitment
to
serving
our
community
and
making
sure
everyone
here
has
the
support
needed.
If
we
invest
our
budget
into
the
community,
we
remove
a
lot
of
the
causes
for
crime,
as
has
been
mentioned
before,
desperate
people
do
desperate
things.
P
If
we
support
the
community,
we
remove
that
desperation
and
stress
now,
more
than
ever,
we
need
to
be
able
to
support
our
community
focus
on
supporting
the
people
that
make
up
ithaca
and
our
community
health
and
bring
us
together
not
intimidate
and
suppress
people's
rights
and
our
in
their
lives.
With
that,
I
yield
my
time.
B
Right,
thank
you.
So
I'm
letting
the
person
in
the
waiting
room
who
has
not
spoken
yet,
if
you
can
unmute
yourself
and
let
us
know
who
you
are,
we
can
let
you
speak.
Otherwise
we
are
done
so
galaxy
tab.
S6.
Are
you
there.
E
A
Great
thanks,
thank
you,
everyone
for
commenting
just
reminding
everyone
we
try
to
maintain
as
respectful
a
tone
as
possible.
So
while
we
appreciate
your
passion
and
understand
that
there
are
elements
in
which
we
might
all
disagree-
and
you
want
to
make
a
statement-
it's
still
not
acceptable
to
make
a
personal
attack
against
any
city
staff
member.
So
we
heard
your
comments
and
we
will
take
all
of
them
into
consideration
as
we
enter
our
budget
process
right
now.
So
what
we'll
need
is
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing
donna
seconded.
A
A
So
essentially,
where
we
are
at
at
this
point
is
what
we
will
need
in
order
to
start
moving.
Some
of
these
things
on
and
off
the
list
and
making
amendments
is.
We
will
need
someone
to
make
a
motion
to
adopt
the
2021
budget,
but
I'm
wondering
if
it
makes
sense
to
sort
of
take
a
pause.
There
were
some
questions
that
came
in.
A
You
know
cynthia
sent
a
few
questions
in
yesterday
that
we
wanted
some
answers
to,
and
I
wanted
to
give
everybody
a
last
opportunity
to
make
any
comments
or
ask
any
questions
about
the
items
on
the
list
before
we
got
into
the
actual,
moving
and
proposing
amendments.
So
we
can
start
with
cynthia's
questions.
A
A
S
R
Yeah
I
mean
I
think
again,
I
didn't
see
these
questions,
but
so
I
I
can
tell
you
that
it
would
be
around.
A
R
Yeah,
so
a
lateral
with
benefits
would
be
one.
Ninety.
R
A
new
hire,
yes,
a
new
hire
would
cost
82
000
035.
U
A
Wonderful
and
then
this
is
probably
a
dentist
question,
so
you
can
join
us
if
you
want
dennis.
Are
there
different
academies
during
the
year
and
do
we
know
when
they
would
begin
and
then
would
that
have
any
any
effect
on
the
cost?
So
do
I
know
when
you
talked
to
us
last
time
you
were
unsure
about
the
restart
for
the
academies
because
of
the
pandemic.
Do
you
have
any
more
information
yet.
Q
Yeah
they're
they're
varied,
and
I
can't
get
something
locked
in
because
generally,
I
can
say
there
if
we
go
with
broome
county,
which
has
maintained
its
academy
throughout
this
pandemic,
it's
usually
march
or
early
april,
and
there
are
other
ones.
But
it's
it's
it's
too
too
hard
to
tell
right
now,
but
we
wouldn't
be
able
to
bring
anyone
on
really
until
after
the
end
of
the
first
quarter
anyway,
because
by
time
the
list
gets
certified.
Q
Hopefully,
in
january
that
you
know
and
speaking
to
hr,
that's
optimistic
and
then
by
time
we
do
all
the
the
testing
to
fitness
testing,
the
psychological
testing,
the
the
interviews
and
all
the
processing
it
wouldn't
get
us
till
around
right
under
the
wire
when
that
academy
is
starting.
So
we're
not
looking
to
anything
prior
to
the
first
quarter.
If
that
helps
and
generally
march
or
april
is
when
broome
county
holds
one
and
around
that
time,
syracuse,
but
so
much
is,
is
not
locked
in
because
of
the
covet.
A
Okay
and
then
cynthia's
last
question
was,
and
this
is
probably
to
dennis.
Is
there
a
minimum
number
of
officers?
I
know
you
requested
five,
but
is
there.
Q
Five
is
yet
I
mean,
because
we
need
like
yeah,
we
needed
all
eight
and
again
we
have
five
people
that
can
retire
yesterday
and
if
we
got
all
five
that
would
be
a
net
zero
gain.
If
that
would
happen,
which
is,
is
a
strong
likelihood
that
we're
gonna
have
retirements
and
and
again
just
to
get
us
in
some
sort
of
a
stable
fashion.
To
to
I
don't
even
say
out,
we
we've
lost
to
any
sort
of
race
with
attrition.
Q
That's
far
gone,
but
five
is
that
minimum
and
that's
why
I
didn't
ask
for
the
full
eight.
V
Thank
you
so
much
so
I
guess
just
for
clarification,
then
a
new
hire
that
82
000
is
12
months.
So,
if
you're
looking
at
three
quarters,
then
that
would
be
modified
accordingly.
Correct.
S
Q
Yeah,
so
that's
that's!
What
a
lateral
indicates
is
that
they've
already
been
a
police
officer,
but
if,
if
they're
not
from
new
york
state,
then
they
have
to
take
our
civil
service
test
and
have
civil
service
standing
and
be
within
the
high.
Q
The
reachable
numbers-
and
I
understand
we
do
have
people
that
are
on
our
list
that
are
from
out
of
state
that
if
they
were
reachable,
then
they
would
still
have
to
go
through
the
academy
because
they're
from
other
states,
but
I
also
understand,
there's
quite
a
number
that
are
from
new
york
city
police
department
and
those
people
would
likely
only
have
to
go
through
an
abbreviated
level
of
training
have
to
know
that
for
sure,
if
there's
somebody
who
would
laterally
transfer
in
without
having
to
take
the
test,
that
would
be
different.
But
we
don't.
Q
G
Q
U
Thank
you
deb,
so
steve
just
going
back
to
the
new
hire
for
a
second,
you
said:
82,
something
is
the
starting,
but
I
think
under
the
current
contract,
the
ramp
up
is
fairly
fast.
So
can
you
give
us
a
sense
of
like
the
next
year
that
new
hire
then
goes
to
a
different
grade,
and
the
salary
goes
up?
Is
that
right.
R
Yeah,
that's
correct.
They
would
go
to
the
second
step
in
this.
In
the
you
know
the
second
year,
which
would
take
them
to
that
next
lateral.
We
talked
about
the
lateral
level
there.
A
B
B
Yeah,
I
don't
know
if
I
copied
you
on
them,
but
there
were.
There
were
some
questions
that
came
up
yesterday
about
what
what,
if
we
hire
part
way
through
the
year
and
questions
about
just
the
likelihood
of
new
recruits
versus
laterals,
and
how
many,
how
many
hires
do
we
expect
next
year
due
to
retirements?
B
Q
Did
yes,
okay,
one
at
a
time
I
have,
I
should
have
answers
for
all
of
them.
Q
Yeah
and
that's
that
I
think
I
covered
in
the
first
question
because
of
when
the
list
gets
certified
and
the
whole
process
of
the
backgrounds
and
psychologicals
and
all
the
the
components
we
have
to
go
through
it
wouldn't
be
before
the
end
of
march,
at
the
earliest
that
we'd
bring
it
on.
So
it
would
be.
The
first
quarter
would
come
and
go
and
we
we
wouldn't
likely
have
the
ability
to
bring
anyone
on
until
again
the
end
of
march
or
early
april.
Q
So
and
then
it
would
be
just
to
begin
their
training
if
they
don't
already
have
the
academy
under
them.
From
you
know,
another.
B
B
Okay
and
then
there
was
a
question
just
about
how
many
hireds
do
you
think
would
happen
due
to
retirements.
Q
Q
The
sea
lion,
which
is
the
evening
ship,
was
running
with
three
officers
and
one
supervisor
for
the
entire
city
and
out
of
that
sea
line.
One
of
those
officers
already
worked
to
beat
the
b-line.
So
that's
our
in
our
operations
of
just
trying
to
get
through
and
it's
I.
I
can't
really
be
any
more
clear
on
just
how
much
we
are
just
really
running
on
e,
so
our
operations
would
continue
that
to
that
fashion.
Q
Until
we
brought
people
on
and
again
just
because
we'd
have
to
wait
for
the
list
to
be
certified,
it
wouldn't
change
our.
It
would
give
us
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel,
but
it
would
not
change
anything
in
in
the
next
quarter
for
sure,
because
we
have
to
have
the
ability
to
do
all
the
the
steps
to
make
sure
we're
bringing
on
quality
people
who
can
get
through
all
of
the
the
standards.
Q
And
fortunately
we
have
125
people
who
have
taken
the
test,
which
gives
us
the
most
hope
that
we've
ever
had,
or
at
least
in
a
long
time.
So
that
was
the
second
part
on
operations
and
I'm
ready
for
the.
The
next
question
was.
B
Q
Well,
just
with
the
conditions
that
they've
been
working
under,
I
think
you're
going
to
have
anyone
who
can
go
go
and
I
think
we
could
have.
I
think
it's
either
five
or
six
but
I'll
say
conservatively
five,
and
that
would
again
if
we
brought
on
all
five
that
would
still
be
a
net
zero
gain
because
it
would
just
you
know,
bring
and.
Q
B
Okay
and
then,
and
then
I
guess
I
don't
know,
I
guess,
following
up
on
the
fleet
vehicle
question
that
came
up,
I
don't
know
if
you
had
a
chance,
but
there
were
some
questions
yesterday
about
you
know
at
what
point
would
we
get
to
the
to
where
we're
sort
of
breaking
even
or
saving
money
on
on
the
fleet
vehicle
replacements.
Q
Yeah,
I
think
my
predecessors
I
give
all
the
credit-
had
really
did
an
excellent
job
of
setting
it
up
that
we
have
a
sound
fleet,
because
you
have
some
departments
that
spend
more
money
on
maintenance
and
have
no
reliability.
And
that's
not
the
case
here
and
again.
I
was
before
I
came
here,
but
I
spoke
to
our
fleet
manager.
What
happens
is
there?
The
sedans
are
kept
out
average
of
three
years,
the
tahoe
or
the
suvs
five
years,
and
what
that
does
is
allows
them
to
stay
within
warranty.
Q
Their
maintenance
is
very
limited
when
they
they
then
have
a
low
depreciation,
and
then
we
put
them
up
for
auction.
We
get
the
most
back.
So
the
net
difference
of
our
new
vehicles,
with
taking
into
account
when
we
get
back
from
auction,
is
about
fifteen
thousand
dollars,
which
is
amazing
for
the
vehicles
and,
and
you
know,
the
reliability
and
the
quality
we
get
and
the
equipment
on
the
inside
of
the
vehicles
is,
is
taken
and
then
put
into
the
the
new
incoming
vehicle.
Q
So
again,
I
think
I
think
a
lot
of
places
could
really
learn
from
the
system
that
was
set
up
and
I
think
it's
efficient
and
it
keeps
the
fleet
operating
well,
because
what
happens
is
all
you
need
to
lose?
Is
a
couple
of
vehicles
out
of
service?
All
the
other
vehicles
get
used
much
more,
they
start
becoming
less
reliable
and
having
more
equipment
issues,
and
so
it's
a
very
quick
slippery
slope
and
the
cost
that
we
have
to
maintain.
That
is
negligible.
A
W
I
had
a
question
because
you
know
an
earlier
meeting.
We
brought
up
this
idea
of
you
know
changing
the
deployment
based
on
on
workload
and
demand
with
with
calls-
and
I
mean
you
had
expressed
some
support
for
that
and
just
listening
to
you
now.
It
sounds
like
you
even
if
we
were
to
approve
the
five
vacancies
which
I
think
you
know
facing.
Our
financial
situations
is
a
very
big
lift
for
the
city
and
you're,
saying
that
that
would
basically
be
a
wash
we'd
still
be
in
the
exact
same
situation.
W
We're
at
right
now,
in
terms
of
you,
know
the
police
being
understaffed
and
having
to
deal
with
all
the
demand.
So
is
there
I
mean
I
guess
what
I'm
looking
for.
W
Q
Yeah,
I'm
so
first,
it's
not
a
wash,
I'm
not
saying
that
it's
it's
desperately
needed.
If
we
don't
have
that,
then
I
mean
it's
it'll,
be
an
abysmal
situation,
we'll
be
in.
So
it's
not
a
wash.
I'm
saying
it'll
then,
because
we're
so
far
behind
it
doesn't
give
us
the
gain
that
we
would
hope
to
get.
But
that's
a
separate
story
just
looking
at
where
we
are
now
that's
what
we
need
and
why
we
need
it
as
far
as
operations
you
know
like
we
could
change
like.
Q
If
we
look
at
our
beat
structures,
the
beat
structures
are
really
designed.
So
dispatch
knows
who
to
send
to
a
call
in
in
which
area
of
the
city,
but
ultimately,
when
serious
calls
come
in
every
car
goes
to
help
out.
So
it's
not
that
someone's
restricted
to
one
area,
and
now
one
car
is
getting
an
inordinate
amount
of
serious
calls
or
it's
it's
just
a
way
to
help
us
define
who's
going
to
go
to
a
call.
Where
I
mean
we
have.
I
think
we've
exemplified
managing
operations
to
this
highly
highly
effective
method.
Q
When
we've
been
so
far
below
the
staffing
we
need.
I
think
what
we've
done
so
long
so
well
is
an
example
of
that,
but
it's
just
a
matter
of
having
the
resources
to
equate
to
the
demands
of
of
the
city
and
again-
and
I
say
this
respectfully
and
in
a
proud
way,
this
city
is
not
average.
This
city
is
again
an
internationally
diverse
community
with
high
expectations,
a
lot
of
events,
the
demands
of
what
we
do
are
great
and
it's
what
the
officers
and
the
supervisors
have
managed
for
so
long.
Q
W
I
guess
just
real
quick.
I
want
to
respond
and
when
I
was
using
the
word
wash
I
was
I
was
responding
to
something
that
you
had
said
it
kind
of
sounded
like
you
were
suggesting
that
the
five
off
this
five
positions
would
replace
anticipated
retirements,
in
which
case
we
would
still
have
the
same
number
of
officers
as
we
have
now,
and
I
I
was
concluding
from
that
that
we
would
also
have
the
same
problems
we're
having
now
with
all
the
difficulties.
Q
I'm
extrapolating
out,
I
can
clearly
see
if
people
see
definitely
that
there
is
no
light
at
the
end
of
the
tunnel.
I
think
that
will
be
something
that
will
antici
that
will
move
people
toward
retiring,
because
they
know
that
their
lift
will
continue
to
be
extraordinarily
heavy.
If
that
doesn't
happen,
then
that
will
start
giving
us
some
breathing
room
and
that's
important.
So
there
is
extreme
value
in
it,
and
and
and
our
ability
to
function
is
reliant
upon
having
just
the
resources
to
do
what's
in
front
of
us.
V
I'm
switching
topics
a
little
bit
and
going
to
your
other
requests
above
the
mayor's
budget.
I
realize
it's
only
23
000,
so
I
don't
necessarily
want
to
spend
too
much
time
on
it.
But
is
this
something
if
I
understand
correctly
this
you're
already
using
lexisnexis
this
program
would
basically
allow
officers
to
be
able
to
remain
in
their
cars
to
fill
in
their
reports.
Is
that
correct.
Q
My
understanding
was,
it
becomes
like
a
force
multiplier,
in
that
it
allows
online
reporting
for
certain
things
that
an
officer
doesn't
have
to
get
committed
to.
Maybe
maybe
a
larceny
call
or
certain
calls
that
maybe
that
doesn't
have
salva
solvability
factors
and
they
would
basically
free
up
officers
to
do
other
other
calls.
That
would
require
an
actual
officer
response.
Q
The
lieutenant
who
brought
it
forward
saw
it
as
a
great
value
in
helping
us
to
mitigate
some
of
the
down
the
time.
That's
required
to
respond
to
things
that
might
be
able
to
be
done
offline
by
people
just
logging
in
and
using
it.
The
software
for
remote
reporting
does
that
kind
of
clarify
it.
A
bit.
V
No
not
really,
but
is
this
as
we
go
into
these
types
of
reporting?
Is
there.
V
Are
there
ways
that
we
can
have
systems
that
work
well
with
perhaps
collaboration
with
with
the
tompkins
county
sheriff's
department?
As
we
look
into
these
modules,
are
there
cost
benefits
to
partnering
with
them.
Q
But
I
think
it's
licensing
per
agency
is
because
we
all
use
the
same
spillman
records
management
system.
Q
So
it
would
have
a
a
kind
of
connectivity,
but
I
I
just
think
it
has
to
do
a
lot
with
licensing
and
it
was.
It
was
brought
forward
because
it
was
looked
at
as
a
way
to
reduce
some
of
the
workload.
But
if
it
was
a
choice
between
that
or
an
officer
I'll
say
the
officer
by
far
okay.
X
Q
Right
but
but
I
could
definitely
look
into
that
to
get
a
certain
a
certain
answer,
usually
that
a
lot
of
the
cost
is
is
licensing
based.
V
Q
Thank
you.
No,
I
I
I
wish
I
had
an
answer
right
away,
but
I'll
go
on
mute
and
as
soon
as
my
questions
are
done
and
try
to
get
that
thanks.
Yes,.
A
Being
none
so
in
order
to
start
the
process,
what
we
will
need
is
someone
to
move
the
budget,
and
then
that
will
need
a
second.
So
basically,
you
just
need
to
move
just
essentially
move
to
adopt
the
proposed
budget
for
2021.
Someone
will
second
it
and
then
we
can
get
into
making
changes
to
it.
So
is
there
someone
that's
willing
to
make
that
motion?
I
see
graham,
and
is
there
a
second
to
the
motion
of
moving
to
adopt
the
budget
rob?
Thank
you.
A
I
believe
what
we
talked
about
was
dealing
with
the
capital
item
separately.
Would
you
like
to
do
that
one
first,
so
just
to
remind
everyone,
our
sort
of
process
that
we've
set
up
here
is.
We
will
ask
if
there
is
a
motion
to
move
an
item
and
by
moving
an
item
then
you're,
making
an
official
amendment
to
the
budget
and
that
needs
a
second
we've
had
about
a
month's
worth
of
discussion.
A
That
does
not
mean
we
can't
have
additional
discussion
on
an
item
if
we
want
to
talk
about
it,
but
the
goal
would
be
at.
This
point
is
not
necessarily
to
second
something
because
you
want
additional
discussion
but
to
second
something
because
you
have
a
strong
intention
to
vote
for
it.
So
that's,
hopefully
what
we'll
be
able
to
do
might
be
a
little
easier
this
year,
as
our
list
is
shorter,
because
we
are
on
a
much
tighter
availability
of
funds.
A
A
Yeah,
I
think
what
we
got
in,
we
we
kind
of
maybe
set
a
bad
habit
or
a
bad
precedent.
The
last
time
we
went
through
this
process,
where
we
had
a
lot
of
people
say
what
we've
done
in
our
meetings
sometimes
is.
Maybe
we
want
to
extend
or
have
some
additional
discussion
on
it,
so
someone
will
say
something
like
I'll.
Second,
it
just
for
the
purpose
of
talking
about
it
right.
A
So
I
think
with
this,
what
we're
saying
is,
if
you're
seconding
it
it's
something
that
you
would
support,
that's
not
saying
you
have
to
vote
for
it
in
whatever
the
final
form
is,
but
a
strong
inclination
to
support.
The
item
is
what
we're
looking
for.
If
someone
seconds
it
instead
of
a
casual,
well,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
it,
some
more
so
I'll
put
my
hand
up
for
a
second
right
and
again
this.
A
This
is,
as
I
said
last
night,
we
tweaked
the
budget
process
for
the
current
year,
based
on
the
conditions
of
the
previous
year's
budget,
and
none
of
those
conditions
exist
for
this
budget.
So
we
may
not
have
that
problem
at
all
this
time,
because
we
have
so
few
things
and-
and
we
have
plenty
of
time
to
talk
through
all
of
these
items
on
this
list
this
evening
so
well,
I
think
we'll
be
okay,
any
other
questions
on
the
process.
A
Okay,
so
what
we'll
do
is,
let's
go
in
the
order
of
the
items
on
the
list,
but
I
will
pull
out
and
we
will
start
with
dan.
Do
you
want
to
share
your
screen
just
briefly,
so
everyone
can
see
what
we're
working
with
here
and
then
at
a
certain
point.
If
people
feel
comfortable
we'll
pull
that
and
I'm
also
getting
a
secret
message
that
dennis
has
an
answer
to
the
question
that
he
was
just
asked.
A
Q
Sure
so,
yes,
so
that
my
explanation
was,
was
pretty
pretty
accurate
for
that
the
23
000
is
annual,
but
it
is
expected
to
be
offset
because
people
would
purchase
like
mva
reports
and
such
so
it
should
take
off
around
11
000
per
year,
so
that
would
leave
a
difference
of
what
twelve
thousand
dollars
cost
and
they
the
benefit
is
that
it
cases
in
which
someone
wants
to
report
a
larceny
or,
like
I
explained,
for
maybe
insurance
purposes
or
something,
but
there's
no
solvability
factors.
It
wouldn't
tie
up
an
officer.
Q
So
again,
one
of
the
things
we're
looking
at
is
how
we
can
be
more
efficient
and-
and
this
was
the
tool
that
was
identified-
I
also
asked
about
sharing
it,
and
that
is
something
that,
if
we
purchased
it
at
some
point
in
the
future
and
the
sheriff's
department
wanted
to
join
in
they
could
we
could
have
like
a
shared
service
with
that.
Q
So
the
initial
cost
seems
like
the
city
will
recoup
that
money
and
it
will
also
provide
a
benefit
in
terms
of
lowering
the
amount
of
calls
that
officers
have
to
go
on
and
it'll
just
be
a
matter
of
setting
up
the
online
portal
for
people
to
self-report
so
cynthia.
I
hope
hope
that
is
a
little
more
clear.
Q
Well,
no
annually,
it
would
be
that
same
cost
per
year,
but
each
year
it
would
have
that
offset,
because
it's
selling
the
motor
vehicle
accident
requests
and
it's
not
requiring
an
officer
to
do
it
so
that
money
that
would
be
paid
in
would
then
be
going
right
back
to
the
city
and
that
would
obviously
into
the
general
fund,
but
it
would
recoup
over
a
half
or
about
half
of
the
cost
of
it.
It's
it.
V
From
the
estimate,
because
the
the
ipd
would
be
then
able
to
provide
a
report
that
would
be
sold
and
then
generate
revenue.
Q
Right,
the
per
well,
we
wouldn't
be
selling
that
the
person
would
request
a
copy
of
their
report
from
this
system.
They
would
be
there's
a
fee
structure
involved.
The
person
would
pay
the
fee
get
their
report.
It
wouldn't
require
person
hours
here
like
from
records
to
do
it
and
that
monies
that
are
generated
go
to
the
city's
general
fund.
V
That's
good
to
know
that
would
be
helpful
information.
I
appreciate
you
sharing
that
because
it's
very
informative.
Thank
you.
G
Y
Sorry
I
need
this
explain
to
me,
like
oh
baby
here
so
you're
saying
there
are
situations
in
which
you
know
you're
in
a
car
accident
or
you
have
something
stolen,
there's
really
no
investigation,
that's
needed
or
possible,
but
the
insurance
company
needs
it's
just
in
the
rules.
You
need
a
police
report.
This
would
assist
with
that
process.
Q
Right
and
some
of
it
is
where
someone
would
call
the
police,
because
saying
if
they
came
home
and
they
saw
one
of
their
flower
pots
were
stolen
from
the
yard.
They
they
want
to
file
a
report
to
have
a
record
of
it,
and
normally
an
officer
would
go
there.
They
would
mark
out
of
service.
They
would
be
obviously
for
high
priority.
They
they
would
have
to
break
away,
but
this
would
allow
someone
once
we
made
it
clear
that
this
type
of
call
can
be
used
for
this
particular
system.
Q
Q
This
portal
could
be
one
of
those
ways
again
for
the
low
level
offenses
in
which
a
report
should
be
generated
either
to
document
an
incident
or
in
which
there's
just
no
solvability
factors
and,
and
then
it
can
meet
both
ends,
both
freeing
up
officers
and
also
providing
that
service,
and
it
seems
like
it'll,
the
cost
will
be
offset
by
the
revenue
it
generates
back.
Q
Yeah,
I
believe
that's
how
it
is
when
people
make
a
records
request,
but
I'm
not
sure
what
the
structure
is
and
how
this
is
is
set.
But
the
way
the
lieutenant
who
looked
into
the
system
gathers,
it
would
be
around
eleven
thousand
dollars
just
from
the
motor
vehicle
accident
alone,
in
which
it
would
be
recouping
the
city.
A
Okay,
so
we're
back
to
back
to
our
budget,
so
just
to
remind
everyone,
we
need
something
needs.
A
motion
in
a
second
I've
said
that
a
couple
times
now
and
what
we're
gonna
do
is
maybe
work
through
the
items
on
the
list
and
then,
if
we
get
down
to
the
bottom
and
something
that
you
wanted
to
support
is
not
successfully
voted
on.
Anyone
can
then
always
add
a
new
modified
version
of
that
right.
So
let's
say
you
support
some.
A
Let's
say
you
support
giac,
it
doesn't
pass
when
we
get
to
the
end.
What
someone
could
do
is
make
a
modification
to
the
gx
and
say.
Okay,
I
would
like
to
then
make
a
motion
that
we
fund
giac
at
50,
of
the
amount
of
money,
or
something
like
that.
So
you
can
always
do
that
when
we
get
when
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
list,
it'll
probably
be
cleaner
that
way
than
trying
to
and
amend
an
amended
amendment
and
get
into
that
messiness
of
making.
So
many
changes
with
one
thing
specifically.
A
So,
let's
tackle
the
capital
item
first,
so
you're
looking
to
see
if
there
is
oh
and
there
is
a
request
to
unshare
your
screen.
Dan
is
everyone.
Okay,
if
we
put
the
list
down
for
now
and
and
do
you
have
a
copy
of
it
or
do
you
have
access
to
it,
and
I
will
read
off
the
different
items
that
we're
looking
at
before
we
vote
on
each
one.
So
this
item
on
the
list
again
this
is
capital,
so
this
is
money
that
would
be
borrowed,
not
money.
A
A
R
I
was
yeah,
I
was
just
thank
you.
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
we
need
to
add
financing
costs
to
that
total
number,
so
the
the
total
cost
would
be
about
704
thousand
dollars.
Just
just
so.
You
know
the
actual
total
cost
and,
of
course
this,
as
long
as
the
town
of
ithaca
agrees
with
this
purchase
would
would
be
offset
by
their
contribution
of
31.43.
E
Z
Very
briefly,
I
support
this
chief
parsons
has
a
history
of
of
making
requests
in
in
ways
that
are
absolutely
the
most
advantageous
to
the
city.
He
studies
this
and
it's
done
a
great
job
in
the
past
and
and
I
think
if
he
didn't
need
it,
he
wouldn't
be
doing
this.
So
I
support
it.
S
Thanks
deb,
I'm
also
so
in
support
of
this
just
for
my
information
and
the
public.
What
is
the
age
of
the
pumper
that
is
being
replaced.
A
AA
And
we
would
time
it
so
that
we
would
order
it
sometime
midsummer,
looking
at
what
their
production
line
is,
so
they
would
be
delivered
in
late
spring
early
summer,
2022.
A
Okay,
you
ready
to
vote
on
this
item
dan,
I'm
trying
to
keep
track
here,
but
I
think
also
because
we
have
video
and
recording
it
might
be
easier
for
us
to
do
minutes
and
and
counting
of
votes
by
using
the
video
as
well.
So.
B
A
Y
B
You
can
you
can
certainly
divide
it
up
that
way.
I
know
that
there
was
some
concern
about
taking
money
out
of
fund
balance
for
2021
because
of
the
amount
that
we
would
probably
be
drawing
for
2020,
but
you
can.
You
can
certainly
propose
that
steve.
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
say
more
about
the
fundamentals.
R
Yeah
yeah,
as
I
recommended
earlier
in
this
process
that
concerned
about
the
fact
that
2020
is
gonna,
end
up
with
significant
use
of
fund
balance
based
on
current
estimates,
and
we
still
have
you
know
a
couple
months
of
activity
and
many
unknowns
facing
us
just
this
year
and
then
definitely
more
unknowns
for
next
year.
So
my
recommendation
would
be
not
to
to
look
at
fund
balance.
But
of
course
that's
my
recommendation
and
I
don't
vote
so
that's
certainly
up
to
you.
R
You
know
we'll
try
to
make
this
all
work.
Whatever
way
you
go
tonight,
so
that
was
just
my
thoughts.
S
Yes,
I
am,
I
know
this
is
very
tough.
It
puts
a
strain
on
on
things,
but
I'm
reluctant.
I
I
want
to
move
this,
but
I'm
reluctant
to
put
that
full
amount
coming
from
taxes.
A
Z
Sure,
if,
if
we
can't,
if
it's
impossible
to
get
any
new
officers
before
the
1st
of
april,
can
we
modify
that
number
by
25,
since
they
wouldn't
start
until
the
second
quarter
of
the
year?.
A
So
I
think
what
we
said
we
were
doing
to
make
the
process
cleaner
and
easier
for
everyone
to
understand
and
follow.
So
this
was
the
request,
as
it
was
put
in
in
the
request
above
the
mayor's
budget,
so
we're
going
to
leave
that
that
way.
If
this
doesn't
pass,
then
when
we
get
through
everything
on
the
list,
you
then
could
make
a
new
motion
that
says
you
you
wanted
to
have
make
a
modification
for
that
particular
amount
of
money.
Z
A
Z
A
E
A
V
Was
before
me,
but
I'm
just
going
to
say
really
quickly
that
just
point
of
clarification,
the
410
000
is
for
brand
new
recruits.
Okay,
so
if
you
want
lateral
transfers
for
a
full
year,
that's
485
9555.!
V
If
you
want
three
quarters
of
a
year,
it's
364
466,
if
you
want
half
a
year,
is
242
000..
So
this
is
the
reason
that
I
wanted
us
to
be
clear,
because
this
number
is
specifically
correlating
to
people
who
will
go
through
the
academy,
not
lateral
transfers.
So
just
as
a
part
of
that
conversation
making
sure
you
have
the
right
number.
A
R
Yeah,
I
kind
of
looked
at
that.
The
the
thing
is,
you
know:
you're,
probably
gonna
have
some
retirements
next
year.
Those
retirements,
if,
if
it
went
through,
would
reduce,
I
mean
there
would
be
some
reduction
in
the
need
for
costs
for
next
year
and
in
this
staff
line.
So
that
would
help
I
mean,
because
you
don't
know
what
you're
gonna
you
know.
If
you
authorize
five
officers,
they
could
be.
You
know
whatever
two
laterals
and
three
new
hires.
R
So
a
range
of
costs
is
fine,
so
I
think
I
think
we
would
be
safe
with
you
know
this.
This
410
000
number
based
on
you,
know
every
all.
The
information
that
we
have
in
front
of
us
currently.
AB
Yeah
so
to
to
deb's
point
into
cynthia's
point
when
we're
when
we're
talking
about
this
much
money,
I
get
really
queasy
pulling
salaries
from
the
fund
balance
and
and
then
also
saving
money
on
the
the
hiring
timing,
because
we're
really
setting
ourselves
up
for
a
doozy
next
year
and
building
in
another
200
000.
AB
We
would
have
to
find
from
from
budget
next
year
to
cover
these
salaries
for
a
full
year
and
then
and
then,
if
we're,
if
we're
banking
on
saving
a
quarter
this
year,
we'll
also
have
to
find
that
increase.
So
I'm
I'm
generally
against
adding
these
these
positions
back
in.
But
I
get
really
nervous
when
we
start
playing
with
the
numbers
that
way.
X
X
X
Anyway,
I
I
won't
vote
in
favor
of
adding
five
new
positions,
but
later
I
hope,
we'll
adapt
this.
I
would
be
in
favor
of
three.
A
U
Thank
you
deb,
I'm
sure
we've
all
given
this
a
huge
amount
of
time,
even
before
we
saw
the
request
above
the
mayor's
budget,
I
certainly
have
given
it
a
lot
of
thought
and
I
firstly
I
I
appreciate
the
efforts
of
ibd.
I
know
many
members
of
the
public
don't
appreciate
that,
but
I
think
we
owe
them
a
round
of
thanks
for
the
way
they
have
shown
restraint
in
in
recent
months.
On
the
other
hand,
I
think
we've
all
nationally
and
locally.
U
I
think
I've,
certainly
given
a
lot
of
thought
to
the
idea
of
reforming
the
police
department
and,
as
this
is
request
comes
in,
I
recognize
that
morale
is
low
and
that
we
need
to
address
this,
but
I'm
also
reluctant
to
basically
make
a
decision
when
we
have
a
task
force
that
is
apparently
going
to
be
reporting
in
april
on
reforming
the
police
department.
I've
been
to
some
of
the
meetings
about
reforming
the
police.
U
There
was
a
really
interesting
session
this
afternoon
with
ann
milgram,
a
former
attorney
general
in
new
jersey,
and
she
talked
about
you
know.
Some
of
the
changes
they've
made
in
new
jersey
had
a
real
impact
on
public
safety,
to
the
point
where
they
actually
did
a
really
impressive
change
around
in
terms
of
public
safety
and
had
more
offices,
because
they
combined
some
of
the
services
they
looked
at
the
contracts
and
got
better
contracts
that
allowed
them
to
hire
more
people
than
they
could
have
before.
U
And
so
I
recognize
that
morale
is
low
and
I
recognize
that
the
department
is
stressed
right
now,
but
a
lot
of
departments
are,
I
I
can't
support
restoring
five.
I
would
like
to
think
about
restoring.
Perhaps
a
smaller
number
with
a
dollar
amount,
whether
it's
lateral
transfers
or
new
hires,
but
I
also
am
very
uncomfortable.
I
won't
support
something
that
takes
this
from
fund
balance.
As
steve
said,
we're
looking
at
some
really
significant
use
of
fund
balance
for
this
year
and
the
way
things
are
going.
U
I
think
you
know
next
year
is
going
to
be
looking
pretty
at
least
the
first
half
I
think,
going
to
be
looking
very
challenging
as
well.
So
I'm
hoping
I
do
want
to
make
some
effort
towards
restoring
some
offices,
but
I
can't
support
it
at
this
level
as
proposed.
A
Y
No
worries
yeah,
so
I
I
believe
I
met
with
police
officers
and
I
believe
that
under
the
current
design
of
ipd
they're
under
tremendous
stress-
and
so
what
I
you
know,
what
I
would
advocate
and
what
you
know,
I've
talked
to
people
about
is
completely
redesigning
it,
so
that
they're
not
under
the
demands
are
not
so
so
hard.
Y
I
think
the
difficulty
for
me
is
the
transition
period
where,
if
report
comes
out
in
april-
and
it
takes
a
year
or
more
to
enact
all
the
changes,
that's
that's
a
long
time
for
our
officers
to
suffer
and
be
stressed
and
are
also
like
subject
to
the
requirements
that
we're
putting
up
on
them,
while
equity
remains
on
this
unredesigned.
Y
A
W
You
know,
I
think
part
of
what's
happening
is
you
know
we're
in
an
extraordinary
time
right
now
where
the
city
is
really
struggling
and
lots
of
departments
in
the
city
are
struggling
and
yes,
crime
is
up,
and
I
want
to
recognize
that
that
we
have
had
a
lot
of
crime
in
the
city,
and
I
know
that
the
the
police
department
is
stressed
in
responding
to
all
the
complaints,
but
that's
also
a
product
of
the
times
that
we're
in
I
mean
a
lot
of
people
have
lost
jobs.
W
Things
are
shut
down.
You
know
we
had
people
talk
about
the
police,
department
and
crime
quite
a
bit,
but
you
know
we
also.
We
also
know
that
our
investment
in
youth
services
pays
dividends
in
terms
of
preventing
crime,
and
both
the
youth
bureau
and
giac
have
been
shut
down.
There's
a
lot
of
reasons
why
we're
seeing
the
things
that
we're
seeing
around
the
community
right
now,
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
really
really
tough
time.
I
think
that
we
have
a
report
coming
out.
W
You
know,
I
think
what
we've
been
doing
over
the
years-
and
you
know
several
of
us
have
been
on
council
for
a
long
time
now
we
seem
to
we
keep
having
the
same
conversation
every
year
about
the
police
department,
whether
it's
adding
two
positions
or
three
positions,
and
and
even
in
cases
where
we
have
added
positions,
it
doesn't
seem
to
be
enough
and
I
think
we
really
need
a
a
radical
reimagining
of
of
the
department
so
that
it
can
be
successful.
W
So
I
think
this
is.
I
can't
support
this
at
this
time.
A
A
This
is
sort
of
a
big
item
I
feel
like
this
is
probably
if
we
make
any
changes
on
this
topic,
we'd
be
tackling.
Maybe
what
the
biggest
pot
of
money
is
that
would
change
to
the
budget.
So
does
it
make
sense
to
see
if
anyone
else
else
has
a
variation
of
this?
They
would
like
to
move
right
now
before
we
go
through
the
rest
of
the
list.
A
X
X
That's
so
that's
where
I
got
the
number
for
approximately
three
for
for
three
higher
some
combination
of
lateral
and
new,
and
my
rationale
is
that,
given
everything
that's
been
discussed,
it's
really
hard
to
support
the
addition
of
five,
I'm
extremely
concerned
about
the
rate
of
long-term
disability
in
the
department,
the
fact
that
there
are
10
people
who
have
been
on
long-term
disability
who
are
still
getting
paid,
and
I
would
like
I
would
like
frequent
reporting
on
this
on
the
progress
of
moving
people
into
retirement
or
back
to
work.
X
X
AC
Well,
maybe
just
a
follow-up-
and
I
don't
know
if
steve
can
answer
this
so
and
just
make
sure
I'm
understanding
it.
So
we
authorizing
a
dollar
amount
or
a
number
of
positions,
and
the
reason
I
ask
is
that,
given
the
chiefs
note
that
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
hire
anyone
in
the
first
quarter
likely
anyway,
so
that
some
of
those
dollars
wouldn't
get
expended
till
later
in
the
year,
would
that
give
him
the
opportunity
to
hire
more
lines
with
a
dollar
amount.
R
Well,
generally,
we
would
you
know
we
would
say
we
want
to
adjust
the
authorized
roster
as
part
of
this.
So
we
would
say
this
would
be
funding
three
officers
now
if,
for
some
reason
the
chief
said
you
know
some
things
changed
and
it
came
back
and
he
said
well,
I
can
get
four
and
then
we
can
make
that
a
change
during
the
year
within
this
authorization.
You
just
need
to
adjust
the
roster
itself,
but
I
would
suggest
that
you
just
adjust
the
roster
with
you
know
at
250.
W
Here
right,
if
the
risk
is
sort
of
you
know,
jumping
the
gun
on
the
reform,
which
I
know
I
was
doing
in
april,
I
did
have
a
question
for
you
about:
has
there
has
there
been
any
thought
about,
like
potentially
hiring
civilians
that
could
do
works
kind
of
similar
to
what
the
community
outreach
worker
is
doing
or
mental
health
professionals
who
could
respond?
To?
You
know
mental
health
complaints
in
the
community,
because
I
I
can
say
with
confidence
that
my
constituents,
you
know
we
I'm
just
reviewing
some
emails.
W
I
received
tonight
from
constituents
in
the
ward
who
are
urging
us
to
shift
funding
for
the
police
into
social
workers
and
I
think,
as
you've
seen
there's
a
there's
been
a
sort
of
wide
scale
reckoning
among
the
community,
with
the
question
of
whether
you
should
call
the
police,
in
certain
circumstances,
whether
it's
right
to
call
the
police
in
certain
circumstances.
W
It's
a
question.
That's
really
on
people's
minds.
Right
now-
and
I
know
just
from
my
own
conversations
with
my
neighbors
that
there
are
situations
now
where
they
may
have
called
the
police
in
the
past,
where
they
feel
uncomfortable
doing
it.
Right
now,
whereas
they
might
feel
more
comfortable
calling
somebody
who's
more
of
more
in
an
outreach
worker
position
or
somebody
who's
more
in
a
social
work
position
to
resolve
something
that
doesn't
necessarily
result
result
in
arrests
and
I'm
not
denying
that
there.
There
are
cases
in
our
community
where
use
of
force
is
necessary.
W
I
I
believe
that
you
know
we
do
need
police
officers,
but
I
do
wonder:
is
there
a
point
at
which
you
know
we
could
hire
a
certain
number
of
of
say,
community
outreach
workers,
expanding
the
community
outreach
worker
program,
and
that
would
result
in
less
stress
on
the
department,
and
you
know
this
is
even
in
line
with
the
the
the
memo
that
jolie
deputy
chief
julie
put
out
after
you
know
where
he
said
that
the
police
officers
feel
like
they're
intervening
in
socially
complex
situations
where
they're
not
necessarily,
it's
not
necessarily
the
right
response
for
them
to
be
intervening.
W
So
that
would
be
my
question:
is
you
know
if
we're
willing?
You
know
we're
considering
tonight?
Spending
200
300
000
on
this
doesn't
make
more
sense
to
spend
that
money
on
on
social
workers,
particularly
as
I
imagine,
we
could
probably
hire
two
social
workers
for
the
price
of
one
police
officer.
Q
No,
the
officers
are
still
needed.
I
appreciate
the
idea
of
there's
lots
of
things
that
again,
I
want
to
get
away
from
us
going
to,
because
again,
some
things
are
really
not
designed
for
law
enforcement
and
we've
become
a
catchwell,
so
we
go
because
there's
nowhere
else
to
go
or
no
one
knows
how
to
deal
with
it,
and
I've
been
an
advocate
for
a
long
time
of
of
funneling
things
to
other
entities
that
would
be
better
suited
for
it.
Q
Mental
health
clinicians
for
one
a
lot
of
the
mental
health
calls
will
likely
require
law
enforcement
in
some
way.
In
addition,
so
it
wouldn't
absolve
us
completely,
but
it
would
be
something
that
would
lift
some
of
the
burden,
but
no
the
numbers
I'm
asking
for
our
ability
to
maintain
an
ability
to.
We
are
not
proactive
in
any
way
shape
or
form
and
a
lot
of
what
we've
predicted
has
come
true
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
that
and
that's
why
I
have
advocated
so
vehemently
for
what
we
need.
Q
What
the
job
of
police
officers
are
is
is
reducing
crime
through
presence.
The
outreach
which
is
going
to
come
out
as
a
big
parameter
or
a
big
portion
of
the
reforms
requires
officers
to
have
the
ability
to
be
doing
things
other
than
enforcement
and
going
to
places
and
being
part
of
youth
activities
and
a
lot
of
things
that
we
can't
do,
because
the
numbers
that
we
have
are
going
from
call
to
call
to
call
and
and
that's
the
issue.
Q
So
I
support
the
idea
of
others
to
do
things
that
would
free
us
up
to
do
more,
community-oriented
things
and
build
bridges
and
to
put
more
quality
into
the
work.
We're
doing
in
investigations
also
to
be
more
proactive
versus
reactive,
but
to
say
in
place
of
know
that
we
still
need
the
numbers
I'm
requesting.
For
those
reasons.
W
So
we
we
currently
have
a
community
outreach,
and
I
maybe
I
should
have
asked
this
question
when
they
were
on
the
call
the
other
day,
but
we
currently
have
a
community
outreach
program
we've
invested
in
it
and
we're
expanding
it
jointly
with
the
county.
Do
you
know
if
there's
any?
Is
there
any
data
to
show
that
that
program
has
resulted
in
fewer
interactions
with
the
police?
Are
there
situations
in
which
the
community
outreach
worker
is
handling
situations
that
the
police
don't
have
to
respond
to?
W
My
guess
would
be
that
they
they
are
that
in
the
past,
that
the
officers
would
be
responding
to
those
situations,
yeah
and
that's
a
successful
example
of
a
program
that
could
work
collaboratively
with
the
police
to
relieve
some
of
the
stress
that
the
department
is
currently
experiencing.
Q
Yeah
again,
I
agree
with
collaborative
work
and,
and
we
just
we
need
the
officers
to
be
able
to
be
part
of
that
collaboration.
I
do
believe
I
don't
have
any
data
on
numbers
from
the
community
outreach
worker,
but
I
do
know
that
that
person
has
been
valued
in
some
of
the
work
in
the
jungle
but
oftentimes.
Q
They
call
for
our
assistance
with
things
as
well
and
again,
I'm
fully
supportive
of
of
coming
up
with
strategies
to
divert
things
that
are
going
to
us
that
again,
we're
not
properly
equipped
to
deal
with
and
and
we're
over
tasked,
but
it
doesn't
negate
the
need
for
the
officers
that
I'm
requesting.
V
Things
that
that
weighs
heavily
on
this
decision
for
me
is
the
fact
that
any
new
officer
that
we
bring
in
whether
it's
a
lateral
or
or
a
first-year
is
coming
in
under
their
current
labor
contract
with
with
the
department
and
that
contract
stipulates
the
salary
levels
it
stipulates
the
benefits.
V
It
also
stipulates
that
the
current
patrol
structure
that
we
have-
and
I
think
we've
all
recognized-
that
both
structurally
in
terms
of
of
the
demands
on
staff
and
financially
in
terms
of
the
demands
on
on
the
city
is
unsustainable,
and
I
weigh
that
in
my
mind,
because
with
each
new
officer
that
comes
in
underneath
the
structure
it
as
as
we
were
mentioning
with
each
preceding
year,
we
know
that
we're
replicating
the
the
very
struggles
that
we
are
hitting
our
head
against
year
in
and
year
out,
and-
and
I
have
this
on
one
one
side
of
my
mind
and
the
other
side
of
my
mind.
V
I
I
recognize
that,
because
of
the
system
we
have
in
place,
our
officers
are,
are
exhausted,
they're,
they're,
burnt
out
their
morale
is
low.
V
It's
just
it's
put
our
officers
under
incredible
strain
and
that
strain
was
there
frankly
way
before
covert
and
has
just
been
made
worse
because
of
the
the
political
environment
we're
in
and
and
the
additional
stresses
with,
with
all
the
demonstrations
and
then,
of
course,
now
with
the
economic
environment,
the
crime
is
going
up
and
so
on,
and
so
I'm
I'm
weighing
these
two
things
and
and
really
quite
torn
in
understanding
how
best
to
move
forward,
because
because
of
the
labor
contract,
we're
just
tied
into
to
this
knot,
that
is,
is
hard
to.
V
We
just
can't
sustain
it.
So
I
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
I'm
saying,
but
this
is
my
thinking
as
I
as
I
weigh
this
decision
and
then,
of
course,
in
the
mind,
with
everything
that
the
ceph
and
and
others
have
mentioned,
to
with
reimagining
law
enforcement
and
how
we
can
bring
our
different
resources
in
the
community
together.
So
we
aren't
relying
on
on
law
enforcement
responses
to
every
situation
is
another
consideration,
but
anyway,
just
a
little
bit
background
for,
for
everybody,
who's
watching.
A
AC
AC
I'm
sorry
to
put
you
on
the
spot,
but
I
I
feel
like
I
need
to
hear
a
little
bit
more
about
how
you
feel
this
budget
going
forward
translates
into
the
work
that
the
department
does
and
needs
to
do,
and
also
how
much
that's
you
know
you,
you
think,
is
being
influenced
by
this
really
important
piece
of
information.
We're
going
to
have
come
april
about
how
we're
reimagining
our
our
force.
T
Yeah,
no
there's
no
doubt
about
it,
and
you
said
it
really.
Well,
I
mean
I'll
cut
to
the
chase,
which
is
that
you
know
five
new
officers.
Six
new
officers
isn't
going
to
change
the
fundamental
dynamic
on
the
street
right,
it's
not
going
to
change
it's
the
chief
said
one
point:
yesterday
we
had
two
officers
or
three
officers.
If
we
had
six
new
officers
to
the
force
at
any
given
time,
that's
not
actually
greatly
increasing
the
bandwidth
of
the
department,
while
increasing
the
cost
of
the
department.
T
We
obviously
as
a
city
can't
afford
to
keep
increasing
our
tax
rate
at
that
level,
and
yet
we
can't
keep
policing
in
the
same
way
that
we
have
so.
I
believe
that
something's
got
to
give
and
then,
frankly,
we
have
to
change
our
deployment
strategies.
T
Our
strategy
has
been
to
deploy
the
same
number
of
officers
every
hour
of
every
day,
whether
it's
january
or
july,
whether
it's
tuesday
morning
or
friday
night,
and
I
think
we
need
a
more
efficient
deployment
strategy
that
puts
officers
on
the
street
at
the
times
when
the
call
volumes
are
the
highest
and
when
the
the
needs,
especially
the
violence.
Prevention
needs,
are
the
highest
and
conserves
resources
and,
frankly,
tax
dollars
by
having
fewer
officers
with
a
more
efficient
allocation
strategy.
T
Now
I
think
that
will
also
mold,
with
much
of
what
council
has
been
discussing
for
the
last
half
hour,
which
is
more
investment
in
youth
resources
which
down
the
line,
leads
to
fewer
needs
for
policing,
more
investment
in
economic
development,
which
also
decreases
especially
property
crime,
more
investment
in
mental
health
care
and
social
service
outreach,
which,
of
course,
leads
not
just
to
fewer
crimes
but
leads
to
way
way.
Fewer
calls.
T
E
AC
Just
because
the
chief
is
with
us,
so
so
so
chief,
that
kind
of
dynamic
scheduling
that
the
mayor
is
talking
about
is.
Is
this
something
you're
not
able
to
do
with
the
kind
of
funding
he's
proposed
and,
and
you
need
additional
officers
to
do
that,
or
is
this
something
that
hasn't
really
been
contemplated?
Yet
with
your
ask
for.
Q
Q
AB
Q
But
we
can't
in
in
terms
of
policing
always
beyond.
I
remember
I
was
having
a
conversation
about
predictive
policing,
the
mayor
and
I
were
just
talking
about
it
and
that
was
I'll.
Never
forget
it
was
a
wednesday
morning.
10
am
and
the
person
was
shot
two
blocks
down
from
city
hall,
so
I
I
do
agree
that,
to
the
best
degree
possible
we
want
to
be
predictive,
but
the
truth
of
the
matter
is
there's
so
many
anomalies
that
we
can't
control
for
that.
Q
The
officers
that
are
available
to
respond
becomes
an
equalizer
for
what
we
can't
predict
and
and
again
no
to
the
first
question.
I
can't
change
it
now,
because
it's
a
contractual
item.
AC
All
right
thanks,
let
me
just
add
one
other
thing
too.
You
know
I,
I
think
the
city
is
really
lucky
to
have
both
of
you
in
the
seats
that
you're
in
and
we're
just
in
a
really
tough
spot,
but
thank
you
both
for
what
you
do.
W
Q
Yes
right
right
now,
the
way
the
shifts
are
set
is
is
contractual
so.
W
E
T
It's
likely
that
they'll
just
come
down
on,
in
particular
salary
and
health
insurance.
The
rest
will
be
left
to
us
to
negotiate,
and
I
think
this
is
an
area
in
which
you
know
the
city
and
the
pba
should
see
ada.
You
know
we,
the
the
pba
knows
that
having
more
officers
on
when
call
volume's
heavy
lowers
officer
stress,
it
makes
responding
to
those
calls
easier
and-
and
we
know
that
we
don't
have
all
the
money
that
we'd
like
like.
T
T
So
the
yeah
that
would
have
to
be
negotiated,
changing
the
actual
beat
structure
it
does
not
have
to
be
negotiated,
so
the
the
shifts
negotiable
the
beats
non-negotiable
and
yeah,
and
I
hope
that
we
can
sit
down
at
the
table
with
the
pba
as
soon
as
arbitration
ends,
which
will
be
in
a
couple
weeks
here
and
start
to
work
on
all
the
non-financial
items
that
have
long
been
on
hold.
W
We
had
the
the
possibility
to
be
a
little
more
nimble
in
making
these
types
of
changes,
because
you
know,
as
as
you've
seen,
I
think,
we're
under
a
considerable
financial
strain.
This
year
department
is
stressed
out.
If
we
can
make
those
changes,
it
might
have
a
real
benefit
to
the
the
struggles
that
the
department
is
seeing.
T
Just
say
that
there's
we've
obviously
been
now
the
receiving
end
of
months
of
pretty
extreme
language
on
both
sides,
right
that
the
police
department
are
the
cause
of
all
of
our
problems
and
then
the
other
side,
which
says
that
you
know
removing
a
single
officer
from
the
street,
means
that
there
will
be
blood
on
the
hands
of
of
all
of
us
and
that
I've
been
at
this
long
enough
to
know
that
the
world
is
more
complicated
than
that
that
these
are
very
tough
tricky
decisions
with
multiple
multiple
variables
and
that
even
the
best
laid
plans
don't
always
work
out
and
that
we
just
have
to
come
up
with
reasonable
solutions
with
the
resources
we
have,
and
we
just
don't
have
all
the
resources
we
need
right.
T
Now.
We
just
don't
so
leaning
on
efficiency
and
reforming
our
operational
deployment
is,
I
think,
the
path
to
go
forward
now
and
if
folks
have
a
chance
to
watch
the
camden
presentation.
From
this
afternoon,
I
could
paint
a
path
forward,
especially
with
tompkins
county,
maybe
with
some
of
our
neighboring
municipalities,
for
not
only
a
sharing
of
the
burden,
but
again
a
more
efficient
allocation
of
the
resources
we
have.
A
All
right
so
just
to
remind
everyone.
What
is
has
now
been
moved
and
seconded
is
the
restoration
of
three
positions
with
the
funding
to
be
taken
via
tax.
Are
you
ready
to
vote
on
this?
Let's
see.
AD
G
Z
Yeah
I'd
like
to
propose
that
we
hire
two
officers
and
the
reason
I'm
doing
that
is
I
I
listened
to
what
seth
said
about
we
get
to
this
situation
every
year
and
and
I
think,
we're
all
in
favor
of
more
community
policing.
Z
Z
This
is
actually
reducing
the
force
by
five
officers.
If
we
don't
add
anybody,
I
don't
really
see
how
that
makes
things
better.
I
am
very
concerned
about
the
morale
of
the
department.
Z
I
don't
want
to
see
our
best
officers
retire
before
they
had
planned
to,
because
they're
just
fed
up
one
of
the
things
I
found
very
encouraging
about
the
presentation
by
the
former
attorney
general
of
new
jersey
this
afternoon
was
she
actually
discovered
they
discovered
in
camden
that
sending
two
officers
in
each
car
actually
improved
things
in
a
number
of
ways
both
for
the
community
and
for
the
officers
and
for
the
interaction
between
the
community
and
the
officers.
Z
I
know
the
budget
is
brutal,
but
I
I
think
we
need
to
add
actually
subtract
fewer
officers
than
in
the
mayor's
budget,
so
I'm
suggesting
we
add
two
steve
can
tell
me
how
much
money
that
is,
and
I
propose
that
it'd
be
taken
from
the
taxes.
A
V
So
it's
not
actually
a
loss
of
five
officers
under
the
current
list,
so
it
it's
not
in
that
way.
V
V
V
V
Right
so
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
and-
and
I
have
to
also
recognize
that
you
know
when
she
was
making
the
comparison
in
terms
of
the
response.
She
also
was
comparison,
comparing
camden
new
jersey
to
the
murder
rate
of
honduras,
which
is
a
very,
very
different
economic
and
and
safety
environment
than
we
are
facing
in
ithaca.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
I
saw
so
we
had
a
move
from
george
second
and
from
graham
restoration
of
two
officers,
we're
rounding
that
to
165
and
that
would
be
taken
from
taxes.
Is
there
any
additional
discussion?
We
want
seth.
G
A
U
Z
U
D
B
So
yeah,
if
we
approve
this
yeah,
it
would
be
good.
It
would
go
to
1185
from
1177.
S
B
A
A
Ready
to
vote
on
this
version,
so
restoration
of
two
officers,
all
those
in
favor-
and
I
see
one
myself-
george
graham
laura
donna
all
opposed.
A
A
A
One,
where
were
you
intending
the
money
to
come
from
for
that.
A
V
A
A
So
if
that
comes
out
of
taxes,
that
looks
like
that
would
bump
that
to
7.41
tax
rate
would
go
to
11.79
and
that
would
leave
a
bit
of
an
excess
as
well
right
dan,
we
lost
dan.
B
A
E
A
G
E
U
Well,
maybe
a
statement
I
mean
I,
I
absolutely
agree
and
and
listening
to
the
conversation
this
afternoon
again,
that
data
is
really
important
for
effective
public
safety.
U
A
AC
A
A
Next
is
giac
the
25
hour
per
week,
part-time
roster
position-
that
is
46
964,
and
we
just
need
someone
to
move
it
and
suggest
where
it
would
come
from,
and
then
I
saw
donna
ducks
and
where
is
it?
Where
are
you
intending
the
money
to
come
from
taxes,
taxes,
okay,
donna,
you're,
seconding
it
with
taxes
as
the
source,
okay,
questions
or
comments
on
this.
A
X
I
was
really
impressed
by
the
presentation
last
week
by
the
three
jack
staff
members.
I
think
they
were
really
convincing
about
how
they've
been
persistent
and
thorough
and
for
have
had
good
foresight
to
manage
their
programs
through
the
pandemic.
X
I
think
they've
demonstrated
a
commitment
to
the
community
and
fiscal
responsibility
and
a
kind
of
cooperative,
a
team-related
attitude
towards
each
other
and
towards
the
community
and
towards
us,
and
so
I
think
that
it
would
be
good
for
the
community
for
us
to
grant
their
requests
so
that
they
can
continue
their
excellent
programming.
S
A
Questions
ready
to
vote
on
this
right,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
one
25
hour
per
week,
part-time
roster
position
for
giac.
A
Okay,
now
we
have
increa.
I
think,
thank
you,
giac
staff,
if
you
just
want
to
say
thank
you,
you're
welcome
to
have
in
city
council
members.
Thank
you
for
supporting
us
good
night.
Thank
you.
You're
welcome,
thanks
for
waiting
through
all
that
next
on
our
list
is
increased
funding
for
community
outreach
worker
program
in
the
amount
of
5
000.
Is
there
someone
who
wants
to
move
that
gram
and
seconded
by
donna.
B
A
A
V
Oh
yes,
so
that
would
come
from
taxes.
V
I
I
feel,
there's
a
a
great
responsibility
at
this
point
and
as
always
to
ensure
that
that
we
are
funding
programs
that
are
delivering
services
to
the
community
and
our
community
members.
I
have
not
received
a
real
description
of
what
the
programs
would
be
provided
associated
with
this
additional
funding.
X
Donna
I
agree.
The
current
agreement
with
southside
is
a
contract
for
delivery
of
services
and
it's
monitored
by
the
controller
and
the
so,
and
I
think
any
time
that
the
city
gives
money
to
a
non-profit
organization.
It
should
be
under
the
understanding
that
there's
specific
delivery
of
services
there's
so
many
wonderful
non-profit
organizations
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
I
think
it
would
be
really
dangerous
for
we
as
a
city
to
start
picking
and
choosing
which
ones
we
wanted
to
make
unrestricted
donations
toward.
X
We
don't
want
to
pit
one
great
organization
against
the
other
and
I
think
we're
on
the
brink
of
doing
that.
Now
I
we
were
not
given
a
really
clear
description
of
what
the
additional
forty
eight
thousand
dollars
would
be
used
for
and
how
the
use
would
be
monitored
and,
as
cynthia
just
said,
their
south
side
is
in
a
period
of
transition
right
now
anyway.
X
AB
Yeah
I'll
just
speak
up
in
favor
of
south
side.
AB
Here
I
mean
from
from
what
I've
heard
this
money
would
be
used
to
support
programming,
but
also
to
support
salaries,
and,
as
most
of
us
here
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
transition
in
the
executive
director
position
for
this
organization
and
a
decent
amount
of
that
is
attributable
to
the
limited
funding
they're
able
to
offer
for
that
position,
and
I
fear
that,
if
we're
not,
if
we're
not
supporting
them
and
providing
the
resources
to
to
pay
someone,
what
that
position
deserves
that
we're
gonna
that
we're
gonna
be
stuck
in
this
cycle.
AB
As
for
not
being
able
to
deliver
on
programming,
I
mean
I,
I
I
think
it's
I'm
having
a
hard
time
divorcing
that
from
the
fact
that
so
much
of
what
they
do
is
in
person
in
a
very
constricted
space,
with
a
a
shoestring
budget
and
a
fairly
limited
staff,
and
so
it's
hard
for
me
to
divorce
that
from
the
fact
that
we're
in
covidon
so
to
to
reduce
this
funding
and
use
the
use
that
it
feels
a
little
bit
like
we're.
Not
we're
not
taking
into
account
this.
AB
This
extraordinary
moment
we're
in
so
I
I'll
be
voting
against
producing
this
funding.
U
Yeah
I
mean
I,
I
definitely
appreciate
the
work
that
southside's
doing,
there's
no
question
that
they're
delivering
some
programs,
but
I
I
share
the
concerns
about
the
confidence.
I
certainly
don't
have
the
confidence
that
I
do
in
say
giac
and
I
don't
pick
one
against
the
other,
but
I
I
pick
up
on
donna's
point
that
you
know
we
have
a
responsibility.
U
I
think,
if
we're
going
to
invest
in
these
community
organizations,
which
we
I
think
we
all
agree,
are
definitely
essential
part
of
the
community,
especially
in
the
light
of
discussion
earlier
about
reimagining,
the
police
and
things
like
that,
but
we're
not
reducing
the
funding,
we're
just
not
increasing.
I
mean
we
are
investing
150
000
in
this
organization,
and
I
think
I
given
the
current
budget.
I
don't.
I
didn't
hear
anything
that
it
was
essential
to
really
increase
this.
At
this
stage.
U
I
take
stephen's
point
that
they
really
need
to
get
an
executive
director,
but
that
has
to
be
a
priority
for
me.
I
think
in
seeing
what
they're
going
to
be
doing
and
what
they're
going
to
deliver
for
the
city
that
the
taxpayers
obviously
will
be
asked
to
pay
for,
so
that
I
can
then
turn
around
and
say
to
people.
U
Yes,
this
is
what
this
organization
is
delivering
and
we
think
it's
essential-
and
I
contrast
this-
I
think,
with
a
program
like
the
community
outreach
worker
which,
even
though
I'm
on
the
steering
committee
I
mean
that
is
a
really
well
documented,
but
also
very
well
assessed
program.
I
mean
the
impacts
of
that
certainly
are
clear
to
anyone
that
looks
at
the
reports
and
that
plays
a
valuable
part
in
in
our
community
program.
So
I
just
don't
see
in
this
current
climate.
The
the
justification
for
increasing
this
contribution.
X
X
Z
That's
obvious
to
anyone
who
would
bother
to
go
to
west
village
or
to
cedar
creek,
there's
a
lot
of
new
things
happening
there.
They
don't
have
the
tradition
of
giac
or
the
youth
bureau,
their
grassroots.
Z
South
side
supporting
them
and
helping
them
get
started.
They're
all
children,
oriented
they're,
making
a
big
difference
in
my
ward
for
the
people
who
live
in
my
ward-
and
I
appreciate
it
very
much-
and
this
is
important
funding
to
help
that
get
started,
and
I
support
it.
A
hundred
percent.
W
Kids
are
particularly
vulnerable
without
access
without
the
ability
to
connect
to
programs,
you
know
they're
going
to
be
isolated
and
that
can
have
long-term
effects
on
their
health.
So
I
think,
for
that
reason
you
know
I
I
agree
with
george
I've,
seen
some
of
the
work
that
southside's
been
doing.
I
think
it's
important,
so
I
am
willing
to
support
this
at
this
time.
A
Z
R
R
If
the,
if
we
do
not
receive
the
proper
reporting
and
programming
requirements,
we
do
not
release
the
funds.
A
U
Question
so
I
believe
nia
sent
around
a
budget
earlier
today
when
I
looked
at
that
it
actually
shows
a
reduction
in
the
budget
over
2020.
So
I'm
I'm
still
a
bit
curious
about
what
this
additional
kind
of
funding
would
be
spent
on.
I
know
we
asked
that
question
during
the
presentation,
but
the
spreadsheet
doesn't
seem
to
show
any
that
shows
a
reduction
by
the
looks
of
it
at
four
thousand
dollars
in
the
budget,
so
I'm
still
confused
about
what
the
intent
of
this
increase
is.
A
T
So
the
their
total
budgets
decreasing
because
they're
losing
other
external
funding.
I
believe
the
novo
grant
is
expiring
in
2021,
which
they've
been
getting
a
fair
amount
of
support
from
for
the
last
three
years.
Really
again,
it's
it's
it's
three
things
that
this
funding
will
help
them
do.
One
is
black
hands
universal,
the
other
is
black
girl,
alchemy
and
the
third
is
the
executive
director
search
to
get
more
specific,
I
believe
in
black
hands
universal.
They
will
need
to
bring
on
a
full-time
and
part-time
staff.
T
That
program
is
currently
being
run
entirely
by
volunteers
for
black
girl
alchemy,
that's
a
program
that
nia
runs
largely
not
single-handedly.
She
runs
it
with
some
of
the
other
staff
at
the
center,
but
they
need
material
costs,
materials
supplies
and
then
whatever's
left
over
could
boost
their
search
by
either
helping
them
advertise
more
broadly
or
increasing
the
salary
and
benefits
that
come
with
the
executive
director
search.
T
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
actually
think
there's
not
attention
in
the
two
ideas
I'm
hearing
expressed
tonight.
One
is
that
south
side
I
mean
just
to
be
very
blunt-
has
underperformed
in
recent
years,
there's
been
so
much
transition
and
and
executive
directors
in
and
out,
and
you
know
the
board
just
struggled
to
raise
funds
that
they
need.
T
T
We
know
you
haven't
hit
all
of
the
marks
that
that
that
we
need
that
you
need,
but
this
is
essential
and
so
we're
going
to
go
out
on
a
limb,
we're
going
to
increase
this
funding,
we're
going
to
lean
into
these
programs,
and
we
hope
that
there
will
be
a
force
multiplier.
I
also
think
you
know.
I
hope
that
this
will
allow
us
to
open
new
conversations
about
collaboration
with
south
side.
As
donna
mentioned,
it
is
not
a
city
department.
T
We
have
our
city
departments
in
the
youth
bureau
and
giac
south
sides,
an
external
agency,
but
the
history
between
south
side
and
the
city
go
way
back
and
obviously
the
building
itself.
The
facility
is
owned
by
the
city.
I
think
that
there
could
be
more
collaborations
between
us,
but
I
think
it
requires.
I
know
it
requires
some
good
faith,
some
bridge
building
some
relationship
building
that
has
been
fractured.
Y
Yeah,
I
I'm
gonna
support
the
continued
the
increase
in
funding,
but
I
forget
who
was
someone
I
mentioned,
checking
up
on
on
their
performance
and
what's
the
line
they
just
said
about
on
a
performance
too,
I
I
will
make
an
attempt,
certainly
to
be
more
on
top
of
things,
and
you
know
I
hope
they
address
some
of
the
issues.
Y
You
know
a
couple
years
ago
that
the
times
did
an
article
going
over
some
labor
issues
and
certainly
in
this
most
recent
shutdown,
there
was
a
lot
of
chatter
about
the
lack
of
communication
around
the
dropping
of
services,
and
so
I
support
increased
money,
but
I
will
be.
I
will
expect
more
out
of
it
this
year
for
sure.
AC
T
It's
the
latter
but
they're
trying
to
make
it
the
former.
So
it's
a
it's
a
grassroots
organization
that
you
know
is
trying
to
become
more
formalized
and
they
need
a
both
a
fiscal
sponsor,
somebody
that
can
receive
funds
for
them
and
also
folks
that
would
manage
their
like
human
resources
and
hiring
and
all
that
stuff.
So.
A
I
had
cynthia
and
then
laura
and
then
donna.
V
Well,
I'm
definitely
looking
for
anything
that
the
city
is
funding
is
going
to
go
and
be
associated
specifically
with
delivery
of
programs,
and
I
I
did
not
hear
information
with
regards
to
what
exact
programs
black
hands
universal
was
going
to
provide
whether
or
not
it
was
you
know
a
five
week
or
seven
week,
job
training
program.
What
other
kinds
of
you
know
if
we're
looking
at
adults,
what
kind
of
programs
are
going
to
be
provided
to
adults?
I
I
understood
and
in
follow-up
conversations
with
the
ithaca
daycare
council.
V
I
understand
that
all
programming
for
school-age
children
has
been
suspended
since
march
and
they
have
not
provided
programming
since
kova
took
effect
and
then
cannot
provide
licensed
school-age
children
programming
until
they
have
an
executive
director
in
place.
V
So
you
know-
and
when
I
I
am
thinking
specifically
about
programming,
I'm
not
thinking
necessarily
about
one-off
instances
or
or
movies.
I
am
I
am
thinking
about.
Okay
here
we
have
a
four
day
a
week
five
day
week
after
school
program
or
a
school
day
program
or
some
type
of
system,
where
15
kids
are
being
served
here.
V
10
adults
are
being
served
here
for
this
period
of
time
with
this
supervision,
and
I
was
looking
for
those
type
of
deliberates
I
didn't
receive
that.
So
that's
a
big
part
of
how
I'm
thinking
about
these
things.
I
think
it
it's
a
matter
of
accountability
to
not
only
to
the
taxpayer,
but
also
to
the
staff
that
we
have
the
departments
that
we
have
in.
V
So
if,
if
this
is
going
to
be
reinstated,
I
would
ask
that
perhaps
the
money
either
go
into
contingency
or
other
type
of
review
to
make
sure
that
this
is
discrete
explicitly
associated
with
a
delivery
of
of
services.
My
understanding
is
yes.
There
there
have
been
invoices
provided
by
southside
for
the
first
two
quarters
of
the
year,
but
but
not
since
so
extending
that
system
and
and
putting
that
additional
oversight
into
place,
I
think,
is
reasonable
at
this
time.
S
Thanks
deb,
this
is
another
one
of
those
that
is
really
difficult
for
all
of
us.
It's
difficult
for
me.
S
I
was
concerned
when
we
first
learned
that
staff
had
been
staff
at
southside
had
been
laid
off
without
much
information,
much
clarity
when
there
were
questions
about
those
actions,
those
decisions
that
had
been
made
it
it.
We
didn't
really
receive
responses
to
that.
I
I
very
much
support
the
mission
of
southside
community
center.
I
support
their
programming.
S
I
had
asked
when,
during
the
the
department
presentations,
if
there
was
some
critical
look
at
the
executive
director
position,
the
description-
and
I
wasn't
really
hearing
any
details
around-
that
there
was
not
much
information
on
the
strategic
plan.
I
I'm
concerned
with
providing
additional
support
on
top
of
the
existing
support,
which
is
at
a
hundred
and
fifty
hundred
fifty
one
thousand
dollars
without
knowing
more
about
the
deliverables.
S
I'm
wondering
if
these
additional
resources
would
be
better
at
a
time
when
there
is
an
executive
director
in
place
who
could
be
working
with
the
organization
right
now.
It's
my
understanding
that
things
are
being
managed
by
the
board
of
directors,
which
is
certainly
commendable
and
they're.
Putting
in
more
time
than
they
had
anticipated,
I
just
I'm
hesitant
to
increase
the
level
of
support
at
this
point
with
so
much
at
play.
S
X
We
received
a
lot
of
email
requests
for
donations
to
unbroken
promises.
They
did
submit
their
request
late,
but
next
year
they
might
not.
So
I
think
we're
opening
a
can
of
worms
if
we
take
it
upon
ourselves
to
decide
which
independent
not-for-profit
organization
we
want
to
support
and
which
we
don't.
X
We
typically
use
the
mechanism
of
the
human
services
coalition
for
to
help
coordinate
funding
of
services
throughout
the
community.
I
think
that
any
of
these
organizations
that
these
independent,
not-for-profit
organizations
would
be
well
advised
to
collaborate
with
the
human
services
coalition
and
then,
through
our
relationship
with
the
human
services
coalition,
we
could
fund
them
fund
and
monitor
them
responsibly.
X
As
far
as
I
can
tell
black
hands,
universal
is
not
yet
a
501c3
organization-
I
I
so
if
and
I
I
just
don't-
think
it's
a
good
use
of
taxpayer
money
to
defund
a
position
in
the
youth
bureau
and
to
give
money
to
a
community
service
organization
that
is
independent
in
a
state
of
flux
and
working
with
now
a
fledgling
not
yet
incorporated
organization,
which
is
one
of
many
organizations
doing
good
work
in
the
city.
E
Z
Black
hands
universal
is
doing
good
work
now,
as
far
as
I
know,
the
other
organization
that
donna
mentioned
hasn't
got
anything
off
the
ground
at
all.
Yet
if
anybody
wants
to
see
the
deliverables,
I
encourage
them
to
go
to
just
because
any
weekday
and
see
the
tutoring
program
that's
going
on
now.
Z
The
program
at
west
village
is
about
to
begin.
Volunteers
have
painted
the
community
room.
I
helped
paint
that
room
there's
new
carpet
in
there
everything's
been
done
by
volunteers.
Z
The
south
side
has
agreed
to
help
get
this
going,
and
I
think
we
need
to
encourage
that
rather
than
ask
them
to
go
through
human
services
or
or
this
or
that
organization,
I
I
think
it's
worth
as
cevante
said
the
the
chance
that
we
can
get
this
started
this
year
for
these
children.
Now.
A
AB
I
think
that's
pretty
loaded
language,
they're
they're,
a
licensed
organization
that
cannot
provide
services
right
now
because
they
do
not
have
an
executive
director.
They
need
an
executive
director.
You
can
help
them
yeah,
we're
not
saying
that
they
should
start
providing
services
right
now
without
an
executive
director.
AB
AB
Appreciate
the
clarification,
the
other
thing
I'll
add
is
we
picked
winners
with
the
hanger
theater
when
we
gave
them
fifty
thousand
dollars
three
years
in
a
row
and
that's
probably
the
organization
we
have
the
most
similar
relationship
to
south
side
as
far
as
letting
them
use
a
building,
helping
them
pay
for
renovations
in
that
building,
whereas
south
side
we're
giving
them
programmatic
support,
hanger
theater,
we
help
them
with
with
renovations
occasionally,
and
so
we
we
do
have.
AB
There
is
another
organization
in
town
that
we
do
pick
as
a
winner
or
loser
in
the
hangar
theater,
and
I
think
you
know
for
my
money.
If
there's
something
I'm
going
to
support,
I
think
the
hanger
theater
does
a
fantastic
job.
I've
seen
a
number
of
plays
there.
I
think
it's
a
great
organization,
but
I
think
what
side
does
is
really
fundamental
to
a
lot
of
the
things
we've
been
debating
tonight
when
we're
talking
about
supporting
our
youth
so
that
they
have
options
earlier
in
life
like
this
is
something
that's
gonna.
AB
That's
gonna
help
like
at
a
fundamental
level,
so
I
think
yeah.
I
think
it's
important
to
keep
in
mind
that
we
do
make
pretty
sizable
donations
to
other
organizations
in
town
and
that
this
south
side
isn't
really
an
anomaly
here.
A
B
AB
A
Threes,
my
fault,
sorry
last
thing
on
our
list
is
contrib
contribution
toward
the
broadband
study.
Is
there
someone
that
wants
to
move
that.
X
Y
Oh,
I
don't
know
that
detail.
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
it
was
going
to
be
out
of
the
excess,
but
that
might
be
obvious
also
that
is
germane
to
the
5g
discussions.
We've
had
about
finding
alternative
broadband
options.
W
Z
Yeah
that
that's
correct,
I
I
may
be
at
fault
here
for
bringing
this
forward
during
budget
season.
We
might
get
a
clear
picture
if
we
wait
and
and
talk
about
it
in
ca.
I
I
do
know
that
the
county
is,
I
think,
committed
to
to
having
the
survey
or
the
study
for
the
full
eighty
thousand
dollars,
but
several
rural
townships
are
are
pitching
in
five
thousand
dollars
each.
A
U
Yeah,
no,
I
just
follow
up
on
george's
point
I
mean
I'd,
be
much
more
comfortable
understanding
the
study
and
also
who
else
is
contributing.
If
it's
something
we
can
do
at
ca.
I
think
I
I
would
definitely
prefer
that,
because
I'm
not
clear
I
mean
I
support
this
general
idea
of
looking
at
this
and,
as
we've
said,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
broadband
options
are
explored,
because
I
think
they're
going
to
deliver
a
much
better
service
than
to
a
broader
population
than
than
5g
would
so.
A
W
Z
City
it,
but
it
will
it
will,
because
the
infrastructure
will
be
owned
by
this
non-profit
cooperative
of
five
counties
and
the
the
internet.
Companies
like
verizon
and
spectrum,
for
example,
would
have
to
lease
that
from
this
non-profit,
so
there
there's
probably
going
to
be
a
lot
more
competition
in
the
city
and
lower
prices.
Theoretically,.
E
W
W
A
Okay,
so
why
don't
we
have
so
before
we
open
the
floor
for
any
other
modifications
anyone
might
want
to
make
dan?
Do
you
want
to
walk
us
through
everything
that
we
just
did
and
where
we
stand
with
the
tax
rate
and
what
that
what
that
looks
like
and
is
there
an
excess,
and
then
we
can
see
if
anyone
wants
to
make
any
other
motions.
B
B
B
It
is
a
tax
levy,
change
of
7.59,
increasing
the
tax
levy
by
this
there's
still
an
excess
of
thousand
dollars
that
has
not
been
accounted
for.
I
will
tell
you
that
steve
would
not
mind
finding
a
place
for
that
money.
I
don't
think
it
needs
to
be
spent,
but
certainly
it
could
be
earmarked
for
something.
R
Yeah
and-
and
just
one
other
note
recall
that
last
meeting
I
mentioned
that
the
assessment,
the
assessment,
the
total
assessment-
went
down
a
little
bit.
So
that's
another
thirty,
two
hundred
dollars
out
of
that
excess.
So
all.
B
A
So
that
being
said,
are
there
any
other
changes
or
amendments
to
the
mayor's
budget?
Donna.
X
A
Right,
I
think
they
are
joanne.
I
know
has
currently
been
in
communication
with
some
other
municipalities
that
might
want
to
jump
on
and
do
that
jointly
with
us
and
I,
as
far
as
I
know,
we
have
not
yet
received
an
estimate
or
a
contract
or
any
information
on
that.
So
whether
that's
an
amount
of
money,
that's
high
low.
Just
on
point-
I'm
I
don't
know,
but
so
is
there
a
second
to
that.
A
AD
Oh
yes,
I
just
wanted
to
add
a
little
information
on
that,
which
is
that
I
believe
we
have
consulted
with
the
town,
and
I
think
the
town
is
not
looking
to
hire
that
lawyer
at
this
point,
at
least
on
a
joint
basis,
so
it
would
most
likely
be
the
city
on
its
own.
If
we
go
that
route
and
my
understanding
is
that
a
thousand
dollar
figure
might
be
the
right
ballpark.
AD
D
A
Great,
so
are
you
ready
to
vote
on
that,
so
all
those
in
favor.
E
X
But
I
did,
I
did
want
to
put
it
in
contingency
to
be
released
by
council
later.
Okay,.
A
X
B
All
right
so
that
you're
still
at
the
four
cent
increase
in
the
rate
and
there's
now
just
a
nominal
excess
twenty
eight
hundred
dollars.
B
A
Yeah,
yes,
thank
you
so
seeing
none
again,
what
will
happen
is
the
budget
we
will
vote
on
it
in
a
minute
and
essentially,
what
we're
doing
is
voting
to
send
it
to
council
for
the
final
vote,
and
then
you
know
there'll
be
several
different
other
pieces
of
that.
That
will
that
we
will
vote
on
at
the
council
meeting.
So
you
still
will
have
one
last
opportunity
if
there
are
things
that
you
want
to
modify
but
presumptively.
A
A
A
You're
you're
a
yes
okay,
so
that
is
unanimous
to
move
that
to
the
council
meeting
on
november,
4th,
okay,
any
other
questions
or
comments
or
anything
we
want
to
make
before
we
adjourn
for
tonight.
T
This
is
the
last
budget
meeting
the
we
I've
surely
run
out
of
ways
to
say
what
an
asset
that
mullenhoff
is
to
the
city
of
ithaca.
I
mean
this
process
is
a
nearly
impossible
one,
but
she
makes
it
as
seamless
and
as
smart
and
rational
as
it
can
be,
and
you
know
to
have
11
of
us
with
about
32
different
opinions
between
us
figuring
out.
How
to
spend
80
million
dollars
is
not
easy
and
it
this
month
is
difficult,
but
she
starts.
T
E
T
His
staff
and
dan-
I
just
worked
tirelessly
to
to
make
this
happen.
I.
G
T
To
give
a
special
recognition
to
deb
because
she
does
it,
you
know:
she's
got
a
full-time
job
and
a
doozy
of
one
besides
this
and
she
really
does
an
incredible
job.
So
thank
you.
T
T
A
Second,
to
presuming
you
keep
people
the
same.
This
is
my
second
to
last
budget,
so
somebody
better
start
stepping
up
figuring
it
out.
A
Yeah,
okay,
later
okay,
anyway,
dan
and
steve,
and
everybody
on
the
city
staff
is
immensely
helpful
as
well.
So
it's
a
good
team,
it's
a
good!
It's
a
good
group
and
everybody's
committed
to
this.
I
had
no
idea
how
this
would
work
on
zoom
and
it's
a
little
different.
It's
been
a
little
challenging,
but
it's
been
successful.
Nonetheless.
So
thanks
everybody.