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A
I'm
spacing
on
the
last
name
of
the
former
member
from
the
fourth
ward
tom.
D
Okay,
sorry
folks,
it's
my
fault,
some
technical
difficulties
amayan
good
evening
and
welcome
to
the
november
meeting
of
common
council.
We
will
call
the
meeting
to
order
I'll
ask
first
if
there
are
any
additions
to
or
deletions
from
the
agenda.
D
Seeing
none
I
do
have
one
proclamation,
but
right
before
I
read
it,
I
I
do
want
to
say
is
george
was
just
reminding
council
that
last
week
we
learned
that
tom
hanna
a
former
member
of
common
council
representing
the
fourth
ward
passed
away,
and
I
myself
also
used
to
represent
the
fourth
ward
in
the
city
of
ithaca,
and
he
was
something
of
a
mentor.
He
was
always
open
and
free
with
advice,
suggestions
and
even
including
a
couple
years
ago,
when
he
moved
out
of
the
city
of
ithaca.
D
He
made
it
a
point
of
staying
in
touch
because
he
really
cared
about
his
neighborhood.
He
cared
about
the
city
and
his
loss
is
a
loss
for
all
of
us,
so
we
didn't
have
time
to
prepare
a
proclamation,
but
I
did
want
to
say
that
at
the
top
of
the
meeting
now
also
open,
if,
if
any
members
of
council
would
like
to
share
any
memories
of
tom.
A
Yeah,
I
I
got
to
know
tom
when
I
joined
council
and
he
would
join
us
at
the
at
jr's
office
down
on
green
street
after
the
meetings,
and
I
enjoyed
him
very
much
and
he
he
really
loved
newman
golf
course.
He
was
a
good
golfer
and
he'll
be
missed.
E
I
got
to
know
tom
when
I
was
first
on
council.
He
was
pretty
adamant
about.
We
would
talk
about
minimum
parking
requirements
and
zoning
and
we
got
to
know
each
other
during
the
that
college
area
forum
district
debate,
but
he
was
also
a
reliable
voice.
Any
time
we
were
in
the
budget
and
we
all
and
people
were
looking
at
the
golf
course
as
a
potential
for
savings.
E
Tom
was
one
of
the
reliable
folks
who
would
rally
loyal
supporters
of
the
newman
golf
course
to
speak
in
its
favor,
but
he
will
be.
He
will
be.
D
D
So
we
do
have
one
proclamation,
one
that
I'm
very
excited
very
proud
to
read
out.
I
want
to
thank
amy
sherman,
especially
my
executive
system
was
always
very
useful,
around
organizing
the
proclamations
but
had
a
special
connection
for
this
one.
So
this
question
is
that,
whereas
the
city
of
ithaca
believes
diversity
should
be
celebrated
through
inclusion
and
each
person
should
be
respected,
supported
and
valued,
and.
D
G
D
For
all
of
those
reasons,
and
more
now,
therefore,
I
cevante
myrick
mayor
of
the
city
of
ithaca
do
hereby
proclaim
that
november
20th
2020
will
be
transgender
day
of
remembrance
in
the
city
of
india,
and
in
doing
so,
I
hope
that
the
increase
of
the
awareness
in
the
community
about
violence
and
bias
against
trench
under
people
will
make
this
city
a
better
kinder,
more
inclusive
place
for
us
all.
D
D
I'll
ask
we
do
have
a
spot
for
municipal
officials,
I
don't
see
any
dan
julia.
Are
there
any
in
the
and
waiting?
I.
I
D
Then
we
can
move
now
to
a
public
hearing
on
the
budget.
Would
anyone
like
to
move
the
public
to
open
the
public
hearing
move
by
graham?
Is
there
a
second
section
by
staff?
All
those
in
favor
cares
unanimously,
so
the
budget,
the
public
hearing,
is
now
okay.
J
We
have
four
people
who
signed
up
to
speak
for
the
budget
hearing
portion.
I
only
see
three
of
them
in
the
waiting
room.
The
first
one
was
keem
or
or
meek,
but
I
don't
see
them
in
the
waiting
room.
So
the
first
person
we're
gonna
call
in
is
ari
stewart
and,
after
ari,
will
be
genevieve
rand.
K
L
Hello,
so
my
name
is
ari
stewart,
yes
savante.
I
appreciated
your
words
about
the
transgender
community.
L
I
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
didn't
say
that
acknowledging
days
of
remembrance
and
putting
initiative
forward
like
like
ipd's
transgender
outreach
program
do
little
to
nothing
for
me
and
my
sense
of
safety
in
this
town.
Just
today
I
was
disrespected
at
the
isca
police
department.
L
L
And
the
best
action
that
one
could
do
for
the
transgender
and
other
martial
marginalized
communities
is
to
defund
the
ethical
police
department.
L
The
police
are
a
a
hand,
a
strong
arm
of
white
supremacy
and
the
suppression
and
murder
of
trans
people
and
are
oftentimes
complicit.
L
Their
ability
to
hear
us
and
hear
our
pleas
to
defund
the
police
and
to
block
ipd's
requests
for
more
officers.
Seth
murtagh
brought
up
last
week
that
this
happens
every
year.
You
try
to
figure
out
how
many
officers
will
it
take
to
keep
ethics
safe
and
the
answer
is
no
officers.
There's
no
number
of
officers
that
you
could
put
in
this
city
to
stop
crime
and
to
attain
public
safety,
because
the
police
are
a
band-aid,
they
they
disappear.
L
So
if
we
divert
funds
away
from
the
police
department,
which
we
know
does
not
help
our
community
into
our
social
services
and
take
a
strong
stance
against
capitalism
in
our
city,
favoring
an
investment
in
our
people,
we
can
really
lead
the
nation.
It's
like.
I
was
under
the
impression
was
the
most
progressive
town
in
the
united
states.
L
Many
like
to
to
claim
that,
and
I
I
have
a
lot
of
hope
for
all
of
you
tonight-
to
earn
that
title
and
to
to
show
the
world
what
we're
capable
of,
because
we
really
can
lead
the
nation
and
set
an
example
for
how
to
actually
obtain
public
safety,
how
to
actually
keep
our
residents
safe
and
to
take
the
funds
and
the
resources
away
from
the
people.
That
time
and
time
again,
brutalize
us.
J
So
after
next
is
genevieve
rand
and
then
after
genevieve
will
be
tammy
baker.
M
Hi,
can
you
guys
hear
me
okay,
so
I'm
talking
about
the
same
thing,
I'm
a
trans
woman
as
well,
and
I
want
to
give
some
background
on
my
experience
with
that.
A
long
time
ago
I
was
stuck
in
a
far
right,
evangelical
community
in
the
backwoods
of
new
hampshire.
That's
where
I
was
raised
and
as
a
transgender
woman,
it
was
hell.
M
My
existence
was
constantly
demeaned,
no
matter
how
much
I
tried
to
be
someone,
I
wasn't,
and
eventually
I
couldn't
hide
who
I
was
from
myself
anymore,
and
I
realized
that,
in
order
to
stay
alive,
I
had
to
transition
and
I
had
to
live
as
the
person
that
I
really
am
and
that
had
visible
effects
once
I
started
transitioning.
So
I
panicked
and
I
ran
away
with
the
possessions
I
could
fit
in
my
car
and
the
300
I
had
in
my
name.
I
chose
homelessness
over
living
in
that
place
for
one
more
minute.
M
I
really
want
you
guys
to
understand
that,
and
ithaca
was
absolutely
the
only
place
I'd
ever
been
where
I
had
seen
openly
queer
people
walking
around
and
so
with
nowhere
else
to
go.
I
landed
here
and
as
a
trans
person.
The
community
in
ithaca
honestly
has
like
welcomed
me
with
incredibly
open
arms,
and
I
can
sincerely
say
that
being
able
to
be
myself
without
fear
and
find
people
that
love
me
for
who
I
am
has
saved
my
life.
M
So,
given
the
love
and
expect
and
acceptance
that
I've
experienced
in
the
community
here,
I
was
literally
shocked
to
experience
the
level
of
deliberate
transphobia
and
invalidation
that
I
did
at
the
hands
of
ipd
on
october
22nd.
Not
only
did
vincent
misgender
me
repeatedly
inside
and
outside
the
station,
despite
my
objections,
but
once
I
was
inside
things
got
worse
officers
almost
exclusively
referred
to
me
as
a
man.
M
He
said
that
over
and
over
a
similar
thing
happened
to
me
again
this
morning
when
I
went
to
get
arraigned
with
another
set
of
officers
and
given
what
ithaca
is
supposed
to
be
for
queer
people.
I've
been
disappointed
and
honestly
hurt
to
see
that
not
a
single
person
in
this
room
has
publicly
condemned
the
transphobia
that
was
documented
on
video
on
october
22nd,
outside
that
station.
Cevante
you've
said
that
you're
suspending
all
judgment
until
the
investigation
of
what's
on
video
happens.
J
Thank
you.
So
next
is
tammy
baker
and
after
tammy,
that
will
be
the
last
speaker
for
the
public
hearing
and
then
the
first
person
for
public
comment
will
be
andrew.
J
N
Hi
everybody
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak,
so
I
sent
everybody
a
letter,
common
council
and
the
mayor
and
also
the
chief
of
staff,
a
letter
coming
out
till
5
30
this
afternoon.
So
I
am
writing
asking
that
the
city
consider
funding
ipd
positions
so,
as
a
street
outreach
worker,
I
am
in
the
streets
on
a
daily
basis.
This
didn't
stop
with
covid,
except
for
about
a
month
as
we
adjusted
to
the
covid
requirements.
N
My
job
as
an
outreach
worker
is
to
assist
individuals
that
are
in
distress
to
assist
them
getting
connected
to
services
or
to
help
them
stay
engaged
in
services
and
to
be
available.
If
someone
needs
to
talk,
part
of
the
mission
is
also
to
respond
to
non-emergency
police
calls.
This
program
has
worked
closely
with
ipd
officers
since
the
beginning
of
the
program,
which
is
july
of
2015.,
people
often
ask
if
I
feel
safe
in
this
position.
The
answer
is
yes
the
times
where
it's
not
felt
safe
or
if
I
need
backup,
I
will
call
ipd.
N
The
ipd
officers
also
call
me
when
the
situation
calls
for
social
service
support
as
a
street
outreach
worker.
I
can.
I
can't
enforce
ordinances
rules
or
law.
I
can
remind
people
of
a
better
way
to
behave
so
not
to
draw
attention
to
support
them
and
what
they
may
need
in
the
moment,
but
law
enforcement
are
the
only
ones
that
can
enforce
the
rules.
The
fewer
offers
is
available
unless
enforcement
is
possible.
N
I've
also
worked
closely
with
ipd
with
individuals
that
present
with
mental
health
concerns.
The
individuals
appreciate
the
non-police
presence
and
the
officers
are
pre
appreciate
having
the
social
work
support
for
the
individual
to
have
a
safe,
vibrant
community.
We
need
to
have
police
officers
who
aren't
burned
out,
feel
supported
and
can
show
up
for
the
community,
not
funding
the
need
for
more
officer.
Officers
will
have
a
negative
impact
on
morale
and
burnout
and
honestly
make
my
work
harder.
Ideally,
we
have
more.
N
Ideally
we
would
have
more
officers
and
outreach
workers
working
together
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
There
are
times
that
I
I
call
for
an
officer
and
it
can
take
more
time
for
them
to
show
up
because
they're
not
enough
officers
on
staff.
This
is
a
public
safety
issue.
Just
today
I
was
working
with
an
individual
who
is
having
a
mental
health
crisis
and
has
been
very
disruptive
in
our
community.
N
Over
the
last
few
days,
I
called
her
a
support
team,
who
stated
I
should
call
ipd,
I
called
ipd,
told
them
the
location
of
the
individual.
They
didn't
have
enough
offices
officers
to
be
able
to
attend
to
the
situation.
This
is
another
public
safety
issue.
Our
current
mental
health
system
works
in
conjunction
with
law
enforcement.
N
The
only
mental
health
workers
that
go
out
to
the
community
are
the
mobile
crisis
and
the
act
team
mobile
crisis
only
goes
out
if
someone
is
in
danger
of
harming
themselves
or
others,
and
sometimes
they
may
not
be
available
to
go
out,
and
it
is
then
up
to
the
officer
to
manage
the
crisis
with
fewer
officers
available.
The
crisis
sometimes
does
not
get
handled
in
a
safe,
timely
manner.
N
So
my
request
is
that
common
council
in
the
city
consider
funding
put
more
funding
in
for
officers.
Our
current,
our
community
is
currently
working
at
reimagining
public
safety.
What
that
can
look
like
it's
if
the
city
decides
to
not
find
more
officers,
it
is
setting
up
us
to
begin
this
exploration
on
the
wrong
foot.
D
J
I
just
want
to
make
it
clear
that
there
is
still
one
more
person
who's
here
for
the
public
comment
he
raised
at
hand,
but
that
that
that's
still
to
come.
D
I
P
I
joined
with
many
others
in
our
coalition
about
5g
to
thank
you
for
the
initial
steps
that
the
ca
committee
and
the
council
are
taking
to
prevent
an
overrun
of
cell
towers
here.
P
The
new
the
new
guidelines
are
agreed
to
incorporate
and
the
hiring
of
cap
finale
is
a
good
start
to
keep
our
community
beautiful
and
safe.
So
thank
you
today,
I'd
like
to
speak
to
one
of
the
most
intriguing
and
revealing
aspects
of
5g
for
better
for
worse,
we
live
in
a
capitalist
economy
driven
in
large
part
by
the
profit
motive.
This
motive
has
been
behind
the
proliferation
of
insurance
companies,
health,
car
house,
etc.
P
P
These
companies
have
seen
the
overwhelming
evidence
of
the
thousands
of
studies
showing
the
harm
of
wireless
radiation
from
cell
technology,
and
they
designated
this
area
to
be
in
the
high
risk
category,
so
they
simply
will
not
cover
it.
The
last
global
insurer
to
exit
the
market
was
lloyd's
of
london
in
2015..
P
According
to
swiss
re
institute,
one
of
the
world's
leading
reinsurance
companies
excuse
me
and
providing
other
insurance-based
risk.
Transfer
quote
existing
concerns
regarding
potential
negative
health
effects
from
electric
magnetic
fields
are
only
likely
to
increase
an
uptick
in
liability.
Claims
could
be
a
potential
long-term
consequence
unquote.
P
J
Thank
you.
So
that
is
all
that
we
have.
There
is
one
other
person
who
signed
up
for
public
comment,
but
I
do
not
see
them
in
the
waiting
room,
so
I
guess
we
are
done.
D
Thanks
dad
we'll
go
now
to
responsive
public
and
privilege
of
the
floor,
I'll
say
I'll,
say
first
that
I
want
to
respond
to
genevieve
and
offer
my
apologies.
If
my
statement
that
I
was
reserving
judgment.
E
M
D
Meant
simply
that
we
hadn't
reviewed
all
the
footage
and
the
community
police
board
is
reviewing
is
starting
its
investigation,
as
well
as
the
new
york
state
attorney
general
we've
asked
them
to
come
in
at
any
rate
and
the
the
division
of
human
rights.
We've
also
asked
to
open
an
investigation
it
that
shouldn't
be
mistaken,
for
my
belief.
So
to
get
straight
to
the
point,
it
is
never
okay
to
detonate
somebody,
I
mean
especially
intentionally,
and
if
that
is
what
happened,
there
will
be
consequences,
even
if
that
is
not
what
happened.
D
So
I
I
haven't
seen
the
footage
of
the
deadnaming.
I
saw
some
of
the
stuff
on
social
media.
I
saw
one
of
the
videos
that
we
pulled,
but
I
hadn't
seen.
I
haven't
seen
that,
even
if
that
is
not
what
happened,
I
will
make
sure
that
every
employee
in
the
city,
not
just
the
police
department,
is
it's
a
reminder
and
a
refresher
about.
D
Why
and
how
important
it
is
why
it's
important
and
how
important
it
is
that
we
use
folks
not
only
proper
pronouns
but
their
actual
names,
so
those
those
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record.
H
I'll
just
quickly,
second,
that
that
I
had
concerns
about
the
misgenering
as
well,
and
that
at
at
the
police,
chief's
public
forum,
he
talked
about
transgender
sensitivity,
training,
and
so
I
I
do
expect
a
lot
more
out
of
you
know
everyone,
that's
in
the
city
government,
including
ipd,
on
that
topic,
and
so
hopefully
a
third
review
will
will
bring
up
more
details
on
that.
But
I'll
say
something
say.
Thank
you.
A
Thanks
devonte,
I
would
like
to
respond
to
genevieve
also.
I
really
appreciate
genevieve
that
you
shared
your
story
of
growing
up
in
new
hampshire
with
us,
and
it
helps
me
understand
where
you're
coming
from
better.
A
I
agree
you
should
be
named
the
way
you
want
to
be
named
in
the
gender
you
want
to
be
named
in.
I
think
that's
a
basic
sign
of
respect.
A
I
would
suggest
to
you
politely
that
respect
is
a
two-way
street.
I've
heard
you
say
at
these
these
meetings
a
number
of
occasions,
you've
referred
to
the
police
as
pigs.
A
I've
also
heard
you
at
the
bernie
milton
pavilion,
make
accusations,
foul
accusations,
unsubstantiated
accusations
about
several
members
of
ipd
past
and
present.
A
number
of
those
officers
are
among
our
finest
officers
of
color.
That
is
not
a
way
to
improve
community
relations
or
understanding
in
our
city.
A
So
I
would
urge
you
to
show
members
of
ipd
the
same
respect
that
you
asked
them
to
show
you.
Thank
you.
D
I'll
go
to
stuff,
but
I'll
first,
I
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
we
need
to.
We
do
need
to
separate
those
two
thoughts
that
we
will
not
misgender
or
deadname.
Somebody
if
they
say
mean
things
about
us
like
we.
We
do
have
to
keep
those
things
separate,
and
I
understand
and
actually
appreciate,
george
the
the
sentiment
there,
but
I
do
just
want
to
say
the
city
of
ithaca's
values
in
our
policies.
Is
that
even
folks
who
say
mean
things
about
us,
it's
that
doesn't.
Q
Yeah
just
join
with
what
others
have
said.
You
know
no
city,
employee,
no
police
officer
should
be
misgendering.
Anyone
and
you
know,
I
know
that
we
worked
really
hard
to
to
establish
a
implicit
bias
training
in
the
police
department.
I
know
deputy
jolie
was
part
of
that
effort.
You
know
that's
important.
I
think
we
did
that
because
we
want
to
make
sure
that
the
police
department,
indeed
all
city
employees,
are
treating
all
community
members
with
respect.
I
appreciate
what
cevante
has
said
about
consequences.
Q
If,
indeed
it's
it's,
it's
it's
proved
that
there
was
a
case
in
which
somebody
was
intentionally
misgendering.
You
genevieve,
and
you
know
I
also
appreciate
you
bringing
this
forward
tonight.
So
thank
you
for
that
and
I
do
have
thoughts
on
the
budget,
but
I'll
leave
those
to
the
discussion
on
yeah,
the
police
or
the
the
budget
later
this
evening.
E
Yeah,
likewise
want
to
add
my
voice
to
your
cervantes
chefs
and
ducks
they're
really
just
there
really
just
isn't
a
place
for
that
that
here-
and
this
is
a
good
reminder
that,
even
though
I
think
we
all
feel
we
live
these
values
that
it
is
important
for
us
to
add
our
voices.
C
I
wanted
to
make
a
quick
comment
to
genevieve
as
well,
and
that
is
that,
of
course,
it's
understandable
that
you
feel
angry
and
upset
and
vulnerable,
given
the
importance
of
being
consistently
identified
as
female
and
wanting
to
live
as
as
that
identity.
So
I
appreciate
that
you
spoke
to
us
honestly
and
from
your
heart
about
your
experiences
that
I
appreciated
the
tone
of
your
comments.
D
Okay,
wow
and
then
cynthia.
R
And
I'll
just
add
my
voice
to
that
as
well.
Thank
you
for
bringing
that
up,
and
also
there
is
no
room
for
that
here.
I
also
want
to
thank
you
cevante
for
ensuring
that
we
we
go
forward
with
a
process
that
does
look
at
what
happened
and
then
make
sure
there
are
consequences,
if
necessary,
and
also
that
we
support
the
training
that
goes
on
to
make
sure
it
improves.
So
thank.
S
Yes,
there's
there's
a
lot.
That's
been
said
tonight
and
I
I
echoed
my
support
for
the
statements
made
by
the
mayor
and
our
colleagues.
S
These
are
important
issues
as
a
member
or
liaison
of
the
workforce
diversity
advisory
commission.
We
have
been
working
with
members
of
the
police
department
to
implement
policies
to
prevent
the
very
incidents
that
were
that
occurred,
so
it
is
deeply
unfortunate
and
disturbing
to
find
that
these
incidents
are
continuing
to
happen.
S
I
appreciate
that
there
will
be
an
investigation
on
this
as
a
possible
human
rights
violation.
It
is
also
concerning
to
me
that
you
know
we
look
to.
S
Members
in
our
management
in
our
department
to
set
the
standard
for
the
rest
of
our
police
officers
and
the
fact
that
these
incidents
are
occurring
by
allegedly
occurred
with
members
of
senior
management
is
something
that
I
think
needs
to
be
examined
very
seriously.
I
K
Yes,
thank
you
and
I
would
like
to
add
my
voice
and
say
genevieve,
thank
you
for
speaking
with
us
tonight
for
sharing
your
experience.
It
does
help
to
understand
a
bit
about
your
past
and
to
hear
of
your
experience,
and
I
support
the
mayor
who
has
put
in
place
the
review
of
the
incidents
on
that
thursday
night,
and
I
also
support
waiting
to
hear
what
that
report
shows
us.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
tammy
baker
for
her
comments.
K
D
Okay,
seeing
no
other
comment
we'll
move
on
now
to
consent
agenda.
Would
anyone
like
to
move
the
consent
agenda
moved
by
steve?
Is
there
a
second
second
by
graham
all
those
in
favor.
D
The
consent
agenda
carries
unanimously
we'll
go
now
to
city
administration
committee
and
I'll
hand
it
over
to
chair.
O
Right,
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
once
again
reiterate
thanks
to
all
the
people
in
the
various
city,
staffs
that
work
to
get
information
in
timely
we've
been
peppering,
you
with
questions
and
you've
been
answering
them,
and
you
know
once
again
very
compliments
to
steve
thayer
and
dan
cogan
for
their
exceptional
support.
This
was
not
only
a
challenging
year
financially
because
of
the
pandemic,
but
very
awkward
to
do
this
virtually
and
on
zoom,
and
we
weren't
doing
this
through
our
normal
process.
O
O
So
just
to
remind
everyone
what
we
did
at
our
last
budget
meeting
is
we
passed
the
we
made
some
modifications
to
the
budget.
There
are
still
options
or
opportunities
to
do
that
again
this
evening,
but
first
it
actually
needs
to
be
moved.
So
I
will
do
that
quickly.
O
So
this
is
the
adoption
of
our
2021
budget,
whereas
council
is
considering
our
amended
executive
budget
at
today's
meeting
and
it's
the
consensus
of
the
council
that
are
appropriations
and
estimated
revenues
as
set
forth
in
the
budget
for
2021
that
these
amounts
may
be
altered
by
action
of
common
council.
So
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
common
council
accepts
and
approves
the
amended
executive
budget
for
2021,
together
with
any
additional
changes
made
in
said
budget
at
council's
november.
O
Great,
so
this
is
an
opportunity
if
anyone
would
want
to
make
any
last
changes
to
the
budget,
a
reminder
that
we
had
extensive
conversation
and
a
reminder
that,
if
you
do
want
to
make
any
changes,
we're
going
to
need
for
you
to
indicate
where
you
think
the
revenue
would
come
from.
In
order
to
add
that
change.
O
K
Yes,
thank
you,
cevante,
and
I
think
we
all
had
a
long
night
last
night,
I'd
like
to
start
by
thanking
people
who
have
been
in
touch
with
us
over
email
and
who
have
come
to
public
hearings
to
talk
about
the
budget.
I
want
to
reassure
people
that
we
hear
your
comments.
We
read
all
of
your
comments,
I'm
making
a
motion
tonight
to
add
to
positions
to
ipd,
to
reinstate
funding
for
two
positions
to
ipd
paid
from
taxes.
K
Admittedly,
we
have
a
great
deal
of
uncertainty
ahead
of
us.
Financially,
we
have
received
emails
from
various
members
of
the
community,
both
in
support
of
adding
positions
to
ipd,
as
well
as
from
people
who
would
like
to
see
us
not
add
positions.
K
K
There
will
be
opportunities
for
public
forum
for
comments,
those
are
being
scheduled,
and
so
I
encourage
members
of
the
public
to
continue
to
have
their
voices
heard.
That
being
said,
the
reason
I'm
proposing
adding
two
positions
back
to
ipd
is
because,
while
reform
is
needed,
residents
still
very
much
want
and
are
asking
us
to
provide
public
safety.
K
There
is
a
need
for
accountability.
There
is
a
need
for
investigations.
There
is
a
need
to
address
the
increase
that
we've
seen
in
crime
in
the
city.
The
causes
of
crime
are
very
complex,
not
going
to
be
solved
within
this
particular
budget
cycle.
Some
causes
of
prime
crime,
rather
a
result
of
the
pandemic
other
causes
go
far
deeper
far
further
than
the
pandemic,
but
we're
not
going
to
solve
all
of
the
causes
of
crime
with
this
current
budget.
So
I'm
making
a
motion
to
add
two
positions
back
to
the
ipd
budget.
D
Is
there
a
second
second
about
george
discussion?
D
A
A
Sorry
I
support
laura's
modification
to
the
budget.
A
I
was
very
much
impressed
by
a
few
of
the
emails
we
got
this
week
from
social
service
workers
who
actually
work
with
ipd
and
are
concerned
that,
if
we
don't
give
them
some
help
with
more
officers
that
it
can
cause
further
problems
in
the
city,
the
fact
that
ipd
has
to
use
overtime
to
simply
make
a
basic
shift
seems
very
problematic
to
me
and
I'll
just
point
out
that,
in
addition
to
crime.
A
Ipd
does
traffic
control
on
my
street
on
hector
street
cars
go
by
50
miles
an
hour
on
a
regular
basis.
There's
lots
of
children
in
the
neighborhood
same
happens
on
cliff
street.
Same
happens
on
east
state
street.
A
Traffic
traffic
officer,
I
know
for
a
fact
that
we
have
a
good
department.
A
K
Yeah,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
thanks
for
calling
on
me
I'd
like
to
just
respond
to
george
george.
Thank
you
for
some
of
your
comments.
I
did
intend
and
I
neglected
to
say
that
I
would
like
to
see
these
positions
be
funded
from
taxes
and
to
be
added
at
the
beginning
of
july.
This
is
a
really
tough
tight
budget
season.
K
We
don't
have
all
the
resources
financial
resources
as
a
community
that
we
would
wish
to
have,
and
I'm
glad
that
george
also
talked
about
the
community
service
like
tammy
baker
and
other
service
providers
who
partner
with
some
of
our
ipd
officers
and
I've,
seen
some
of
that
myself
in
my
neighborhood
and
throughout
the
community.
So
I
appreciate
that
partnering
when
we
see
it
between
ipd
officers
and
other
service
providers,
and
yes,
I
I
would
want
to
make
this
motion
effective
for
july
1st.
D
D
Change
friendly
to
the
seconder
george,
yes,
okay,
then
we'll
go
to
comment,
questions
donna.
C
I
voted
for
three
officers
and
two
officers
last
wednesday,
but
I
understood
completely
why
five
of
my
colleagues
voted
against
that.
I
think
there's
understanding
that
the
and
I
that
police
officers
under
the
current
pba
contract
are
expensive
and
their
expenses
rise
rapidly,
and
the
staffing
and
scheduling
and
shift
assignments
are
constrained
by
the
pba.
D
Q
So
my
concern
with
storing
these
positions
has
been
really
with
the
overall
financial
situation
that
we're
in
you
know,
every
department
in
the
city
has
taken
a
hit.
I
mean
these
are
extraordinary
times.
Really
really
tough
and
I
know
crime
is
up
across
the
city.
I
would
not
say
that
that
is
because
of
a
lack
of
of
police
staffing.
I
think
what
we're
seeing
is
that
you
know
we're
in
the
middle
of
this
pandemic.
Things
have
been
shut
down.
You
know,
youth
services
were
closed.
Q
You
know
all
summer
people
are
in
desperate
straits
and
I
think
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
abnormal
behavior
as
a
result
of
the
pandemic,
so
I
don't
necessarily
think
that's
tied
to
the
police
staffing.
However,
I
do
you
know,
I
was
really
on
the
fence
with
the
vote,
particularly
for
the
two
officers.
Last
time.
I
think
part
of
my
reasoning
is
that
you
know
I've
done
a
lot
of
reading
on
this
in
the
last
weeks.
Q
A
few
weeks,
as
I
know
we
all
have
I've
talked
to
a
lot
of
people
about
it
and
part
of
my
concern.
There's
really
three
concerns.
One
is
that
you
know
when
we
cut
back
on
officers.
That
means
that
they
have
to
do
more
overtime
means
that
officers
are
going
to
be
working
longer
hours,
they're
going
to
be
overworked,
they're
going
to
be
fatigued.
Q
That
has
an
impact
not
just
on
the
officers
but
potentially
on
public
safety
and
for
the
community,
and
that's
you
know
there
are
studies
that
show
this.
I
mean
there
are
lots
of
studies
that
show
the
officers
that
are
working.
Those
longer
shifts
are
in
situations
where
they
can
make
mistakes
and
those
mistakes,
because
they're
dealing
with
matters
of
life
and
death
can
be
ultimately
tragic.
So
I
think
it's
something
we
really
have
to
consider
just
maintaining
that
basic
level
of
public
safety.
Q
The
other
issue
I
have
a
concern
with
is,
you
know,
we've
seen
in
the
past
one
thing:
I've
heard
again
and
again
and
again
from
constituents
as
long
as
I've
been
on
common
council
is
that
they
want
officers
out
of
the
car
right.
You
know,
there's
nothing
more
impersonal
than
a
police
officer
just
driving
around
on
a
patrol
all
the
time
they
want
to
know
individual
officers.
They
want
to
know
them
by
their
first
name.
Q
Q
I
never
heard
a
bad
word
about
it.
You
know
it
was
a
really
popular
detail,
because
people
got
to
know
him.
The
downtown
residents
got
to
know
him.
You
know
the
business
owners
got
to
know
him
in
a
lot
of
cases.
You
know
he
wasn't
going
around
arresting
people,
he
was
taking
care
of
problems
and
diffusing
situations
before
they
became
a
problem.
I
actually
I've
seen
many
examples
of
alex
doing
that
on
the
comments.
Q
So,
unfortunately,
when
you
know,
when
you
cut
back
on
staffing,
it
means
cutting
back
on
those
types
of
details
and
we're
seeing
that
right
now,
because
we've
had
to
take
away
that
beat
officer.
The
third
reason
I'd
say
you
know
we
heard
tonight
from
tammy
baker.
I've
been
a
long
supporter
of
the
community
outreach
worker
program.
I
was
part
of
the
original
committee
that
got
it
off
the
ground.
I'm
really
proud
of
the
work
that
that
program
has
done.
I'm
particularly
proud
of
the
work
that
tammy
is
doing.
Q
I
take
her
advice
very
very
seriously,
and
in
this
case
what
she's
saying
is
that
there
are
times
where
the
lack
of
staffing
is
resulting
in
her
not
being
able
to
do
her
job
and,
as
we've
heard
from
many
members
of
the
public
from
constituents,
our
constituents
want
us
to
move
in
the
direction
of
you
know
social
workers
being
able
to
engage
with
people
who
are
in
in
crisis,
people
like
tammy
being
able
to
do
their
jobs,
and
you
know
when
I
hear
from
her
that
she's
unable
to
do
her
job
because
of
a
lack
of
staffing.
Q
I
take
that
very
seriously.
Likewise,
we've
heard
from
a
lot
of
other
social
workers
this
week,
as
as
george
has
mentioned,
who
are
also
saying
similar
things
that
they
work
closely
with
the
police
and
the
lack
of
staffing
is
causing
a
serious
causing
them
to
to
not
be
able
to
do
their
jobs.
So
again,
that's
something
I
take
really
seriously
I'll
repeat
what
I
said
last
time,
which
is
that
you
know
we
have
this
conversation
every
year
during
the
budget.
You
know,
I'm
glad
that
we
have
this
reform
process
in
place.
Q
Ultimately,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
to
see
some
changes
long
term.
You
know,
as
we've
talked
about
these
in
terms
of
the
deployments
of
patrols
and
the
beats,
and
you
know
how
many
officers
we
have
on
at
any
given
time.
I
think
we
have
to
see
some
some
changes
there
and
I
think
the
city
leadership,
and
particularly
the
police
leadership,
has
to
have
more
flexibility
to
make
these
changes
right
now,
they're
governed
by
the
contract.
Q
I
know
that's
a
negotiation,
but
I
think
we
have
to
really
think
creatively
moving
forward
because
we
just
don't
have
the
resources
and
the
staffing
to
be
able
to
staff
the
whole
city
at
the
cost
that
the
of
the
police
budget.
So
you
know
I'm
that's
something.
I
expect
that
we
will
get
on
april
1st
when
this,
when
the
recommendations
come
out
from
from
the
task
force.
Q
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
that,
but
I
will
be
voting
for
all
the
reasons
I've
said
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
of
the
two
positions
tonight.
D
Thanks
did
we
get
more
emails
from
social
workers
than
just
tammy?
George
mentioned
that
too
I
don't.
I
didn't
see
it.
A
Yeah
I
I
was
there
was
a
few
letters
from
people
who
work
with
ipd
and
social,
various
social
service
things,
and
there
was
also
a
very
powerful
letter
from
the
wife
of
an
ipd
officer
that
really
struck
me
as
important
and
how
much
time
that
officer
gets
to
spend
with
his
family.
It's
a
very
powerful
letter
and
I
thank
her
for
writing.
It.
D
Yeah,
I
I
do
want
to
caution
the
council
so
we'll
I'll.
I
have
rob
and
steve
I
mean
what
we're
talking
about
here
is
going
from
61
officers
to
63
officers
starting
in
july,
assuming
that
we
can
actually
hire
those
officers
which
I
have
grave
doubts
about.
Frankly,
because
we've
had
these
officer
positions
funded,
but
vacant
for
a
year
or
a
year
and
a
half
now
so
I
don't
want
us
to.
D
You
know
pretend
to
the
public
that
adding
two
more
officers
is
actually
going
to
decrease
the
amount
of
overtime
that
we're
spending
or
increase
the
villa
visibility
on
the
street.
We're
gonna
have
more
officers
out
of
cars.
This
won't
do
that
it
just
it
just
honestly.
Won't
do
that.
I
mean
to
do
either
of
those
will
would
need
serious
structural
reforms
for
the
type
that
we're
working
on
or
hiring
of
30
more
officers.
D
F
F
E
Yeah,
so
I
I
agree
that
I
think
we
need
to.
We
need
to
find
a
police
staffing
system
that
makes
sense,
and
I
think
we
need
to
provide
some
sense
of
a
relief
for
our
officers.
We
need
to
support
our
community
outreach
workers.
E
We
need
police
who
are
who
are
on
the
streets
in
the
communities,
and
I
think
this
is
where
a
little
bit
of
history
is
important.
Like
we,
we
approved
two
positions
years
back
sorry,
cynthia's
message
just
popped
up.
We
approved
two
positions
years
back
that
were
supposed
to
be
focused
on
on
community
policing.
They
were
supposed
to
be
people
who
were
outside
of
the
patrol
vehicles
and
walking
the
streets.
E
Those
positions
were
filled
and
we
never
got
the.
We
never
got
the
community
policing
that
those
positions
were
meant
for
part
of
that
and
the
reason
why
why
tammy
finds
herself
occasionally
short-handed?
E
The
reason
why
two
two
police,
two
officers
only
is
not
going
to
be
a
substantive
difference
to
the
overtime
numbers
or
to
the
experience
of
the
average
officer,
and
the
reason
why
we
don't
have
we're
not
able
to
have
people
in
the
streets
is
because
of
the
structural
issues
that
we
have
in
in
the
in
the
bargaining
agreement,
and
until
we
have
a
bargaining
agreement,
we're
not
able
to
to
strategically
deploy
new
officers.
E
We're
just
going
to
be
we're
just
going
to
be
it's
going
to
be
a
drop
in
the
bucket,
and
it's
not
going
to
make
a
difference
on
what
we're
able
to
do
in
the
community.
It's
not
going
to
make
a
big
enough
difference
on
the
lives
of
our
officers
and
it's
not
going
to
make
a
big
enough
difference
on
tammy
baker's
experience.
So
I
I
don't.
E
I
don't
think
it
makes
sense
to
increase
the
burden
on
our
taxpayers
when
it's
not
gonna,
it's
not
gonna
do
those
things
and
it's
certainly
not
gonna
bring
down
crime.
We
all
know
that
the
cause
of
an
increase
in
crime
has
little
to
do
with
the
number
of
officers
on
our
streets.
R
R
Last
week
I
was,
I
was
quite
compelled
by
the
the
fact
that
the
mayor
felt
that
we
could
manage
without
the
eight
unfilled
positions,
so
we've
unfunded
those,
and
he
had
some
compelling
arguments
about
how
we
needed
to
think
differently
about
the
way
we
deploy-
and
I
I
know
several
of
you
have
already
articulated
the
the
challenges
we
have
around
that
and
that's
a
it's
a
real
systemic
problem
that
needs
to
be
changed.
R
So
so
I'm
hoping
that
we
can
do
that.
But
I
was
also
compelled
to
say
look
if
we're
going
through
this
exercise
to
to
reimagine
and
reform
police
operations.
R
If
we
see
some
connection
between
what
gets
reported
on
april
1st
and
how
these
positions
might
come
forward.
For
example,
if
the
the
reform
comes
forward
and
says
you
know
what
we
need
to
maintain
a
certain
level
of
staffing
of
officers
and
we're
not
there,
that
might
be
a
compelling
reason
to
release
those
funds.
R
D
Yeah,
I
think
the
way
to
do
that
would
be.
If
you
and
steve
correct
me,
if
I'm
wrong,
I
think
you
could
add
it
to
the
budget,
but
add
it
in
restricted
contingency
and
then
the
only
way
that
we
myself
steve
there
could
pull
out
of
restricted
contingency
to
hire
as
if
we
come
back
to
council
for
another
vote
which
will
be
in
may
june.
D
D
A
I
I
appreciate
what
rob's
saying,
but
I
I
thought
that's
pretty
much
how
we
hired
now.
The
the
reason
some
of
those
so
many
of
those
positions
are
unfilled,
is
because
ipd
hasn't
found
the
right
people
to
fill
them.
A
A
If,
if
we
don't
work
now
towards
filling
these
positions,
when
people
retire,
we're
gonna
have
to
start
then-
and
I
think
that's
just
going
to
put
us
farther
behind.
I
respectfully
disagree
with
the
mayor
and
steve.
A
K
I
just
want
to
jerusalem.
Oh.
K
K
I
know
that
the
report
is
due
to
the
governor
april
1st.
I
would
expect
there
will
be
some
back
and
forth
from
that
initial
report
that
is
submitted
and
that
if
there
are
recommendations
I
expect
there
will
be
recommendations,
but
implementation
will
take
some
time.
K
Change
does
not
happen
as
quickly
as
sometimes
we
would
like
to
see.
I
share
rob's
concern
and
would
like
to
know
what
recommendations
will
come
out
of
that
task
force,
but
I
don't
think
we're
going
to
know
that
in
the
long
run
so
in
in
the
short
term.
That's
why
I
was
recommending
adding
the
two
officers.
The
one
other
thing
I
did
want
to
comment
on,
and
this
is,
I
think,
a
frustration
that
perhaps
a
number
of
us
share.
K
Yes,
there
are
61
officers
on
the
ipd
roster.
However,
I
think
it's
a
valid
point
that
there
are
only
51
active
officers
at
the
moment,
so
I
understand
the
budget
implication
on
the
taxpayers
of
going
from
61
to
63
officers,
and
yet
I
think
it's
important
for
the
public
to
know
that
we
truly
have
only
51
active
officers
at
any
given
time,
and
I
think
some
of
the
other
comments
will
two
officers
make
an
enormous
difference.
K
Perhaps
not,
but
I
agree
with
george
in
this
respect
that
if
there
is
some
benefit
added
to
the
strain
on
the
officers
and
to
helping
to
serve
our
community,
our
public,
then
I
am
in
favor
of
of
that
and
that's
why
I
made
the
motion
to
add
two
officers
at
this
time.
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
both
the
short
run
and
the
long-term
actions
that
are
necessary.
D
That's
actually
just
not
gonna
happen,
and
we
should
be
very
afraid
about
it.
D
Further,
oh!
Yes,
that.
O
Thanks
didn't
comment
on
this
during
the
budget
process.
I
try
to
really.
I
see
my
role
when
I'm
managing
the
budget
process
is
to
be
sort
of
like
switzerland
to
bring
consensus
to
work
us
through
the
process,
and
I
don't
want
it
to
seem
like
there's
any
particular
level
of
influence
of
the
council
on
one
side
or
the
other,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
a
couple
of
things
this
evening.
O
I
agree
this
isn't
going
to
immediately
put
any
officers
right
back
on
the
street.
I
also
agree
that
we
are
in
the
very
early
stages
of
this
imagining
re-envisioning
police
and
that
definitely
needs
to
play
out,
but
the
only
way
that
we
can
build
a
bridge
to
that
work,
while
it's
happening
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
just
just
gutting
the
police
department
as
it's
as
it's
currently
functioning
right.
O
So
I
think
that
the
toll
on
ipd
right
now
is:
is
it's
not
sustainable
if
there
is
any
additional
injury
or
anyone
that
has
to
come
off
active
duty?
It's
it's
just
gonna
drop
that
number
lower
and
I'm
concerned
that
what
is
happening
is.
It
is
unfortunate.
The
police
show
up
when
people
are
at
their
worst
and
we
also
don't
need
the
police
to
be
at
their
worst
when
they're
trying
to
respond
to
these
very
tenuous
situations.
O
So
I
reform
takes
time
and
I'm
just
concerned
that
we
won't
be
able
to
build
that
bridge
to
this
reform.
If
we're,
if
we're
too,
limiting
on
what
ipd
it
has
capacity
to
do
right
now,
we're
really
a
victim
of
terrible
timing
right
now
as
well.
I
think
one
of
the
things
we
want
to
remember
is
the
the
budget
we're
not
really
adding
or
subtracting.
O
Basically,
what
we
were
saying
is
there
were
eight
vacant
positions
and
the
initial
request
from
the
chief
was:
can
you
only
defund
three
of
them
and
so
really
what
we're
doing
today?
We
don't
want
to
think
of
this
as
adding
additional
officers,
we're
just
simply
asking
to
take
fewer
away
right,
so
we
would
still
be
taking
six
away
if
we
were
well
six
and
a
half.
I
said.
However,
you
want
to
work
at
it
if
we,
if
we
did
figure
this
out,
it's
it's
just
gonna
help
us
maintain
some
level
of
stability.
O
For
for
the
police
department,
I
also
want
to
mention
that
this
in
in
some
of
the
conversations
with
tammy
and
some
of
the
other
social
workers
that
we've
been
having
they,
they
see
the
police
as
a
crucial
partner
in
this
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
we're
further.
Along
than
most
communities.
With
this
goal
of
reform,
we
have
community
outreach
worker.
We
have
partnerships
with
other
human
service
agencies
and
just
to
remind
everyone,
the
city
doesn't
have
any
human
service
agencies
of
its
own.
O
So
again,
this
this
pathway
to
reform
has
to
be
with
partnership
with
all
of
these
other
organizations,
and
if
some
of
these
organizations
are
coming
forward
and
are
telling
us,
it's
been
increasingly
difficult
for
them
to
do
that.
One
piece
of
the
job
that
we
have
said
is
crucial
to
this
reform.
Then
I
think
we
need
to
figure
out
how
to
find
some
sort
of
middle
ground
with
this
and
support
both
sides
of
that
equation.
O
Until
until
we
work
through
the
reform
and
then
just
to
remind
everyone,
we
do
have
a
vacancy
review
committee
that
exists.
So
you
know
the
positions
would
presumably
come
back
through
that
vacancy
review.
If
we
wanted
to
have
an
additional
look
at
them
before
you
know,
before
we
put
people
into
it,
so
we
we
have
very
high
expectations
of
our
police
department
and
we
want
to
hold
them
to
those
expectations
and
we
want
to
set
them
up
to
succeed
as
much
as
possible.
S
Can
I
ask
a
question
or
two
questions
actually?
Is
it
at
all
feasible
that
we
would
be
able
to
achieve
a
new
pba
contract
by
mid
2021.
D
I
think
so
yeah
yeah
it's
possible.
We
are
in
arbitration
for
two
years
of
the
contract,
now
13-14
as
soon
as
that
arbitration
is
finished
and,
honestly
at
any
point,
we
could
be
re-ignite
discussions
with
the
pba
they're
eager
for
a
deal
we're
eager
for
a
deal.
So
that's
possible.
Yes,.
S
So
much
of
okay!
My
second
question
is:
could
you
describe
the
impact
of
the
lead
grant
on
on
the
police
budget
and
how
that
affects
operations.
D
D
The
way
lead
works
in
other
cities
and
the
thinking
both
behind
your
application
and
the
federal
funds
that
granted
it
is
that
it
will
eventually
lead
to
fewer
calls
for
service
for
the
police
and
less
work
for
the
police
to
do
both
on
the
street,
because
there'll
be
fewer
arrests
to
make,
but
also
that
those
arrests,
because
they're
diverted
will
lead
to
less
officer
time
spent
in
court.
Less
time
filling
out
investigations,
reports
less
time
to
a
paperwork
period.
D
So
what
it'll
likely
look
like
is
in
the
short
run.
A
couple
of
the
officers
who
are
very
interested
in
lead
will
help
serve
on
the
operations
working
group
and
eventually,
all
officers
will
have
the
ability
to
divert
people
smoothly
and
then
down
the
road
that
will
lead
to
less
police
and
citizen
interactions,
which
is
less
work
and
obviously
again,
less
referrals
to
the
criminal
justice
system,
which
is
less
work
for
the
officers.
But
I
don't
think
it
will
have
a
2021
budget
impact.
D
U
What
cevante
said
is
is
what
the
mayor
said
is
correct.
There
is
funds
that
go
to
ipd
to
help
support
the
additional
cost
of
the
lead
officers,
they're,
not
new
officers,
they're
officers
that
are
already
ipd,
so
some
overtime
costs
training
costs
things
of
that
nature.
I
believe,
there's
35
000
a
year.
It's
certainly
not
enough
for
for
positions,
it's
just
to
help
support
the
additional
hours
that
officers
will
be
receiving
performing
their
lead
responsibilities.
S
Thank
you,
you
know
just
for
the
position
of
of
my
consideration.
Of
of
how
I've
been
thinking
about
this
vote
is,
first
and
foremost
in
in
the
midst
of
a
budget
discussion.
S
I
am
looking
at
the
the
economic
position
of
the
city
in
a
time
of
of
deep
uncertainty
in
the
midst
of
the
pandemic
and
expectations
of
of
what
we
may
be
facing
in
the
cup
in
the
coming
year,
and
recognizing
that
you
know
we
have
additional
possible
impacts
associated
with
the
conference
center
and
how
that
will
affect
our
finances
and
our
obligations,
our
local
business
owners,
the
taxes
or
additional
fees
that
they
would
be
asked
to
make,
and
my
biggest
consideration
has
been
the
fact
that
any
new
officer
that
comes
in
is
going
to
be
under
the
old
contract,
which
is
a
very
expensive
contract.
S
And
if,
if
we
were
in
a
position
where
we
had
a
new
contract,
I
think
I
would
be
less
reluctant
to
bring
on
new
officers,
because
I
would
feel
that
that
their
package
would
be
not
only
in
line
with
the
other
departments
in
the
city,
but
also
with
other
police
officer
police
departments.
In
the
region
and
right
now
the
existing
contract
is
is
exceptional.
S
And
puts
a
tremendous
financial
strain
on
the
city
in
a
time
that
we
don't
have
much
wiggle
room
at
all.
I
I
am
very
deeply
touched
and
affected
by
by
everything
that
my
my
colleagues
have
said
and
and
this
the
emails
and
the
speakers
that
have
spoken
tonight.
S
So
not
only
are
we
in
a
time
of
of
economic
need,
but
but
we
are.
We
have
a
lot
of
vulnerable
people
who
are
made
even
more
vulnerable
because
of
the
situation
that
we
should
make
sure
that
we
have
the
resources
to
not
only
support
our
our
officers
but
and
our
community,
but
also
our
community
workers
who
are
doing
their
best
to
fill
the
needs
of
of
our
residents
so
still
trying
to
think
about
what
I'm
gonna
do
at
this
vote.
But
that's
what
I've
been
thinking
about.
Q
Q
I
had
some
questions
about
because
I
know
we've
just
gotten
this
grant
and
it
sounds
like
there'll,
be
some
money
through
this
grant
for
the
police
department
to
offset
overtime
costs,
but
it
also
sounds
like
there's
an
ex
expectation
that
the
police
department
will
be
participating
in
the
lead
program,
and
you
know
it
just
sounds
like
there's,
not
a
lot
of
bandwidth
in
the
within
the
police
department
to
do
much
beyond
what
they're
already
doing
I
mean
we've
already
been
talking
about
how
they're
pulling
back
details
and
like
the
downtown
walking,
beat
and
all
the
rest
of
it.
Q
Q
U
So
let
me
help
out
real,
quick
and
then
john
or
vince
can
can
take
it
away.
Let's
say
john
was
on
duty
and
he
and
dan
had
committed
a
crime
that
falls
into
the
into
the
definition
of
lead.
U
If
john
felt,
that
dan
was
a
was
a
good
candidate
for
the
lead
program,
he
would
contact
the
case
manager
for
lead
bring
them
have
them
come
to
where
they
were
at
and
then
john
is
done
instead
of
john
go
in
and
do
a
report
taking
him
to
the
police
station
doing
all
of
that
stuff
he's
done
like
that's
that's
as
simple
as
it
is.
The
officers
that
are
trained
in
lead
make
the
assessment,
and
then
they
contact
the
case
manager.
U
Once
that
warm
hand,
handoff
is
made,
the
ipd
officer
is
done
at
that
moment.
What
they
would
do
is
two
of
them
would
come
to
the
monthly
owg
meetings.
That's
the
operational
work
group
meetings.
They
would
discuss
folks
that
were
in
the
program
and
some
other
matters,
and
then
once
you,
you
know
you
you
have
in
year,
one
you
have
30
people
in
the
program
once
you
hit
that
cap
you're
not
putting
any
more
people
in
the
program
right,
two
or
three
people
leave
the
program.
U
You're
gonna
open
up
two
or
three
spots,
so
I've
never
had
to
do
the
the
I
had
to
write
up
reports
and
do
all
that
as
a
member
of
ipd,
I'm
sure
calling
me
making
a
handoff
is
a
lot
less
involved
than
taking
somebody
down
to
the
station
going
through
booking
going
through
all
of
that
stuff.
So
my
assumption
and
from
what
other
officers
say
in
successful
lead
programs
that
it
really
does
minimize
ipd's
time
dealing
with
certain
crimes,
especially
for
people
that
are
repeat
offenders.
D
Of
those
two
officers
that
join,
but
the
hard
part
is
always
the
beginning,
which
is
the
design
of
the
program,
and
we
already
had
two
officers
volunteer
in
2017
and
2018
to
help
design
the
program
and
they
worked
with
owg.
To
do
that.
G
You're
going
to
go
down,
go
ahead.
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
lead
is
a
good
idea.
I
think
that
it
definitely
would
be
nice
to
implement
lead,
and
I
think
that
you
know
the
biggest
problem
that
we
have
stuff
is,
as
you've
kind
of
mentioned
is
just.
We
are
extremely
over
tasked
right
now
and
we're
cutting
back
on
every
every
single
duty.
G
That's
essentially
not
responding,
911
calls
we're
cutting
back
on
and
we
are
wearing
our
people
out
and
it's,
although,
if
people
volunteer
it's
still
going
to
task
the
department,
I
think
currently
we
have
you
know
within
thomas
county
in
the
city.
There
are
already
are
a
lot
of
diversion
programs
that
are,
you
know
in
place
and
leed
would
build
on
those.
G
From
my
understanding
truthfully,
I
haven't
been
to
the
lead
training,
so
what
I
know
about
it
would
person
travis
and
anybody
that's
been
to
it,
but
just
my
conversations
with
the
chief
and
the
officers
that
have
gone
to
it,
there
still
is,
you
know
a
significant
lift
to
get
this
program
up
off
the
ground,
and
I
think
right
now
we
are,
you
know
we're
concerned
about
officer,
wellness
and
burnout
every
single
day,
and
I
don't
know
that
we
would
have
the
ability
to
really
invest
in
it.
At
this
point
with
our
staffing.
T
So
I
can
just
chime
in
I'm
hearing
a
lot.
What
everybody's
saying.
I
think
it
is
a
viable
program
and
it's
got
a
lot
of
benefits
to
it.
You
know
the
big
question
is
going
to
be
is
on
our
and
how
time
is
going
to
be
devoted
to
the
training
and
to
the
management
of
that
program.
On
our
end
of
the
operation.
T
The
trading
part
would,
though,
what's.
T
That's
involved
right,
so
that's
one
question
that
I
have,
and
I
don't
have
the
answer
to
is
how
much
training
is
involved,
how
many
hours
would
somebody
have
to
attend,
trying
to
be
certified
to
do
the
assessment
for
the
end.
D
We'll
pull
that
we'll
pull
that
data,
but
again
the
every
place
where
it's
happened
is
that
it's
required.
It's
decreased.
The
amount
of
hours
spent
per
call
decrease
the
amount
of
hours
spent
per
arrest
and
freed
up
police
officers
not
added
to
their
workload.
So,
especially
once
you
do
the
training
which
again
would
be
paid
for
under
the
grant.
H
Yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
very
quickly
that
I'm
like
the
like
donna,
so
I
was
on
the
other
side
of
the
vote,
but
like
then,
I
totally
understand
why
people
did
support
additional
officers
and
I
could
go
either
way
right
now,
even
the
tension
between
taxpayer
money
and
the
wellness
of
officers.
But
I
do
want
to
emphasize
that
you
know
either
way
with
additional
too
or
not.
H
We
can't
have
people
working
these
insane
shifts
that
we
saw
in
our
email
that
we
have
to
have
ipd
do
less.
I
don't
know
what
that
looks
like
under
the
constraints
that
we
have
right
now,
but
something
has
to
give,
because
I
do
care
about
our
employees,
well-being,.
H
And
so
I
hope
we
find
a
way
to
to
change
the
the
mix
of
the
a
b
and
c
lines
or
or
something
I
may
just
respond
to
the
different
classicals.
But
I
think
that's
really
important.
D
Yeah,
we'll
have
to
do
both.
As
I
said
in
the
budget
hearing
we've
got
to
do
about.
We
have
to
respond
to
fewer
calls.
We
have
to
change
our
response
to
non-emergency
calls.
We
have
to
ask
other
agencies
to
step
up
and
do
more.
You
know
the
the
city
of
ithaca
contributes
more
to
the
pool
of
public
safety
in
tompkins
county
than
it's
fair
to
our
taxpayers
are
fair
to
our
police
agency.
D
Not
only
do
we
have
the
only
swat
team
in
the
entire
county,
but
the
sheriff's
department,
which,
of
course
our
taxpayers
pay
for
about
a
third
of
they
do
not
patrol
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
They
only
come
generally
when
we
ask
for
their
support-
and
you
know
we-
we
can't
continue
to
carry
this
burden
on
our
own.
It's
not
not
only
is
it
not
possible,
it's
not
affordable,
but
it's
also
not
fair,
it's
not
just
for
our
taxpayers
or
for
our
officers.
D
So
we
have
to
do
that
while
at
the
same
time
making
our
own
operations
more
efficient.
So
I'm
looking
forward
to
the
chief's
operational
efficiency
plan,
that'll
adjust
our
shifts
and
our
beats
as
well
as
the
calls
that
we
respond
to
cynthia
and
then
we'll
push
towards
a
vote
730
where
this
is
only
the
first
voting
item
and
the
first
amendment
to
the
first
voting
item
so
and
I'm
something
that
we
already
know
how
we're
going
to
vote.
So.
D
Seeing
none
ask
for
a
vote
all
those
in
favor.
This
is
already
been
moved
in.
Second,
yes,
so
all
those
in
favor
of
the
budget,
as
amended.
F
Yeah
some
of
the
numbers
did
change.
I
don't
know
if
you
I
can
just
give
those
to
julie
at
later
time,
but
it's
just
amending
the
you
know
the
overall
budget
by
the
82
100
that
we
talked
about
previously
and
changing
the
tax
rate
up.
So
it's
up
to
you.
I
can
help
you
through
the
the
numbers
or,
however
you'd
like
to
do
it.
O
F
O
O
I
think
that's
good,
so
what
I'll
do
is
I'll?
Just
move
it
and
I'll
just
read
the
results
which
has
less
of
the
changes,
so
the
tax
rate
for
general
purposes
for
the
fiscal
year
2021
b
and
the
same
here
by
is
established
and
fixed
at,
and
you
said,
11.85
per
1000
of
taxable
valuation
is
shown
certified
and
be
it
further
resolved.
O
The
amount
of
the
tax
levy
be
spread
and
the
same
hereby
is
levied
upon
their
respective
properties
on
the
city,
tax,
roll
and
resolve
that
the
city
chamberlain
is
directed
to
extend
and
apportion
the
taxes
above
and
resolve
that
the
execution
and
filing
of
said
warrants
and
technicals
with
the
city
chamberlain,
the
amounts
of
the
city,
the
opposite.
Each
and
every
property,
lien
new,
payable
and
collectible
in
accordance
with
provisions
of
the
city
charter
and
other
laws,
and
then
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
total
sum
of
tell
me
again,
steve.
O
B
L
D
O
This
is
the
standard
thing
that
we
do
every
year
to
just
approve
the
work
plan
for
our
sidewalk
improvement
districts.
A
Q
B
O
I
D
Thank
you.
Next
housing
fund.
O
So
this
is
our
mou
to
increase
resources
for
the
community
housing
development
fund,
whereas
the
common
council
authorized
funding
for
the
community
housing,
affordability
program
and
the
community
housing
trust
program
jointly
known
as
our
housing
fund,
and
we
have
a
mou
with
the
city,
the
county
and
cornell
university
that
established
the
housing
fund
from
2009
to
2015,
whereas
the
program
was
renamed.
O
And
whereas
the
2015
mlu
specifies
that
other
organizations
can
join
as
associate
members
with
a
contribution
of
50,
000
or
more,
whereas
the
town
of
dryden
has
committed
50
000,
which
is
sufficient
for
the
town
to
have
associate
membership
status
and
whereas
the
ida
adopted
a
workforce,
housing
policy
that
requires
certain
developers
make
payments
to
the
fund
as
a
condition
of
receiving
tax
abatements.
And
whereas
the
committee
unanimously
recommended
the
approval
of
the
following
amendments.
O
To
the
mou,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
common
council
approves
amendments
to
the
mou
among
the
county,
the
city
and
cornell.
With
regard
to
the
fund
to
increase
resources
for
affordable
housing,
including,
but
not
limited,
to
increasing
the
city's
year.
Six
funding
except
the
town
of
dryden
as
a
member,
and
accept
contributions
from
developers
pursuant
to
the
ida's
workforce.
Housing
policy.
Be
it
further
resolved
that
the
mayor,
subject
to
review
by
the
attorney
is
authorized
to
execute
this
amendment
for
the
above
referenced
mou.
O
No
just
as
I
said
at
the
beginning,
thank
you
very
much,
looking
forward
to
my
last
budget
process
next
year.
So
just
so,
everyone
is
prepping
for
that.
So.
O
But
no
thanks
again
just
extraordinarily
challenging
times.
You
know
we
all
hope
we
make
it
through
the
other
side
of
this
pandemic
and
everybody's
just
really
thoughtful
discussions
and
questions
and
and
probing
and
trying
to
do
the
right
things
for
the
city
to
keep
us
whole
and
healthy
and
safe
and
viable.
Despite
the
tremendous
financial
challenges
we're
facing.
Just
thank
you,
everyone
for
participating,
and
we
hope
that
we
get
the
aid
from
the
state
and
from
the
federal
government
that
will
help
us.
O
We
hope
that
we
can
get
on
the
other
side
of
this
pandemic,
so
we
can
see
the
vibrant
activity
in
our
city.
That
brings
our
sales
tax
back,
but
this
was
probably
the
toughest
budget
we
have
had
to
work
on
in
a
long
time.
So
thank
you
for
working
through
it
and
just
continue
to
support
the
staff
that
have
been
significantly
impacted
by
these
terrible
changes
that
we
had
to
make.
So
thanks.
Everyone.
A
F
Yeah
just
a
couple
things
one
I
want
to
give
out
thanks
to
obviously
a
difficult
and
challenging
budget.
This
took
a
toll
on
everybody
involved
and
will
continue
to
take
a
toll
on
us,
but
I
want
to
really
think
thank
the
mayor,
thank
dev
and
dan
for
all
their
work
on
this
and
thank
council
for
all
their
good
discussion
on
the
budget
and
and
thank
you,
know
all
senior
staff
for
developing.
F
You
know
their
portions
of
the
budget
and
all
the
frontline
workers
that
we
have
working
hard
during
this
difficult
time.
It's
it
takes,
you
know,
takes
everybody
working
together
and
the
cooperation
from
all
to
make
this
work,
and
hopefully,
hopefully,
we've
put
together
a
reasonable
budget
that
even
in
these
circumstances,
can
can
work
and
we'll
we'll
be
keeping
our
fingers
crossed
to
some
of
these
estimates,
our
good
ones
for
next
year,
but
it
remains
to
be
seen.
F
Hopefully,
hopefully
that
will
that
will
happen
for
us
and
just
a
couple
update
updates
on
some
numbers
just
on
the
recent
sales
tax
activity.
Currently,
we
are
running
a
little
over
15
percent
under
budget.
To
date,
we've
collected
10
million
dollars
in
sales
tax.
To
date,
our
third
quarter
collections
were
down
15
percent.
F
I
did
originally
estimate
about
a
20
percent
loss
there,
so
a
little
better
than
I
had
estimated.
So
that's
that's
that's
good.
Our
last
payment
was
down
18
and
I'm
still
expecting
the
fourth
quarter
to
be
down
somewhere
in
the
neighborhood
of
14.
F
Hopefully
it
comes
in
better
than
that,
but
at
this
point
that's
what
I'm
estimating
and
the
overall
projection
of
loss
for
sales
tax
based
on
all
the
activity
would
be
about
two
million
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
2020
so
difficult
times.
For
sure.
One
other
note
is
that
we
received
our
second
payment
for
mortgage
tax,
that
payment
was
down
28
percent
or
about
123
thousand
dollars,
but
even
with
that,
we
were
able
to
meet
our
budget
of
655
000
for
2020.
F
So
that's
good
that
it
came
in
just
enough
to
meet
budget
and,
lastly,
we
are
coming
into
our
most
difficult
and
typical
typical
low
cash
flow
period
in
november
december,
always
a
difficult
time
with
cash
flow.
But
of
course,
due
to
covet
this
year
will
be
even
more
difficult,
so
we're
keeping
a
very
close,
close
eye
on
this
activity.
F
As
we
move
through
the
next
couple
months,
we
do
have
some
large
payments
that
come
due
due
to
contract
union
contract
obligations
and
also
retirements
in
mid-december,
so,
hopefully,
and-
and
you
know,
we're
still
foreseeing-
that
we'll
see
a
a
reduction
in
our
in
our
state
aid
tax
payment
that
will
be
made
also
in
mid-december.
So
with
all
that
we're
just
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
that
you
know
we're
keeping
a
close
eye
on
on
the
cash
flow
situation
and,
hopefully
again,
fingers
crossed.
F
We
can
make
it
through
these
difficult
times.
It's
really
been.
You
know.
I've
been
here
a
long
time,
and
this
is
the
most
difficult
situation
that
we
faced
financially
mentally.
F
All
the
things
that
go
with
this
have
been
difficult,
so
hopefully
we
can
find
a
place,
a
better
place
in
the
near
future
that
we
can
all
come
together
and
and
have
some
smiles
at
some
point
in
the
near
future.
So
I
thank
you
all
again
for
all
your
hard
work
during
this
very
difficult
time.
D
Extraordinary
challenge,
I'm
sure
you
didn't
think
you'd
see
another
a
budget,
that's
as
challenging
as
those
of
the
early
90s
or
it's
the
early
2000s
or
again
of
2010
2011
2012..
D
Q
So
we
have
a
revised
ordinance.
This
is
the
ordinance
that
was
voted
on
at
the
planning
committee,
but
there
were
some
last
minute
changes
that
jennifer
center
around
mostly.
This
is
just
kind
of
housekeeping
claiming
up
some
inconsistencies
in
the
language,
but
I'm
going
to
move
the
resolution
as
amended
with
the
latest
changes.
So
I'll
just
go
ahead
and
read
that
this
is
an
ordinance
to
establish
the
carpenter
circle
plan
unit
development,
district.
H
Q
Just
gonna
so,
whereas
on
april
4th
2000
april,
4th
2018,
the
common
council
adopted
legislation
created
a
plan
unit
development
overlay
district
pad
odd,
and
whereas
in
february,
19th
2019
woodham,
planning
and
design
submitted
an
application
on
park
on
behalf
of
parker
of
realty
and
commute
hyuga
medical
center
for
consideration
to
establish
a
planned
unit.
Development
district
at
carpenter
circle.
Q
Q
Whereas
the
applicant
will
further
develop
neighborhood
streets,
pedestrian
and
transit
connections,
shared
parking
and
green
space
and
will
work
with
the
not-for-profit
sponsor
of
the
ithaca
community
gardens
to
reconfigure
and
improve
it
and
support
its
establishment
as
a
permanent
site.
Whereas
the
applicant
has
executed
a
non-binding
memorandum
of
understanding
with
the
not-for-profit
sponsor
of
the
ithaca
community
gardens
dated
october
22nd
2019,
which
outlines,
among
other
things,
how
costs
associated
with
the
reconfiguration
of
the
community
gardens
will
be
covered
and
how
gardeners
will
be
moved
from
their
current
plots
to
the
new
configuration.
Q
One:
a
permanent,
improved
space
for
community
gardens
open
to
the
public
two
generation
of
approximately
150
jobs,
three
construction
of
approximately
40
units
of
housing
that
would
be
priced
to
be
affordable
to
those
earning
50
to
60
percent
of
ami
for
high
quality
public
amenities,
including
improved
pedestrian
transit,
bicycle
access
throughout
the
site,
public
spaces,
including
open
green
space,
plazas
for
events
and
and
or
outdoor
dining.
Q
A
playground
in
stormwater
management,
gardens
featuring
native
plantings,
five,
an
improved
gateway
into
the
city
of
methacon
route,
13.,
six
alignment
with
the
city's
comprehensive
plan
and
ongoing
planning
related
to
the
route
13
corridor
and
the
waterfront
zone.
Whereas
the
applicant
has
stated
that
the
project
cannot
proceed
under
the
existing
zoning
due
to
setback
and
height
requirements.
Q
Whereas
the
public
information
session
hosted
by
the
applicant
was
held
on
april,
8th
2019
and
the
meeting
was
advertised
in
the
journal
and
the
property
was
posted
with
signs
and
property
owners
nearby
were
notified.
Vietnam
ordained
and
enacted
by
the
common
council
of
the
city
of
ithaca,
the
city
of
ithaca,
establishes
the
carpenter's
circle
planned
unit
development
district,
and
I
move
as
written.
D
Thank
you
excited
by
steve
smith,
discussion.
Q
I'll
just
just
add
one
thing:
the
the
only
really
sort
of
substantive
change
in
the
edits
that
jennifer
sent
around
had
to
do
with
a
provision
in
the
ordinance
with
which
deals
with
the
the
owner
requiring
titles,
all
the
property
in
the
putt
area,
and
so
we've
just
changed
it
to
reflect
that
the
land
where
the
community
gardens
will
eventually
be
relocated,
is
going
to
be
city-owned
land.
So
there's
no
need
for
the
owner
to
acquire
the
title
to
that
property.
Q
D
T
A
I'm
very
much
in
favor
of
the
affordable
housing
component
of
this
project.
I
think
the
zoning
that
we
put
in
place
not
that
long
ago,
is
more
than
adequate
for
development
on
this
site.
I
think
what
the
developer
wants
to
do
is
too
dense
and
too
high,
and
for
that
reason
I'm
going
to
vote
against
it.
A
C
Part,
maybe
I'm
mistaken,
but
I
had
thought
that
the
land
where
the
community
gardens
are
would
be
transferred
from
the
city
to
a
new
owner.
Was
I
mistaken
about
that.
V
So
donna
this
is
ari.
I
I
think
you're
referring
to
the
fact
that
there's
a
an
exchange
of
lands
involved
as
well,
which
involves
the
fact
that
lands
currently
owned
by
cmc,
will
be,
are
proposed
to
be
given
to
the
city
in
exchange
for
other
lands
and
some
additional
consideration.
V
That
would
need
to
be
involved
as
well,
that
are
owned
by
the
city.
So
there
would
need
to
be
an
exchange
of
lands
in
order
to
create
the
right
geography
of
of
garden
lands
on
the
site.
That
might
be
what
you're
referring
to,
but
the
lands
that
ultimately,
the
gardens
would
be
cited
on,
would
continue
to
be
owned
by
the
city.
V
There
would
be
a
lease,
not
necessarily
rent,
which
is
legal
under
new
york
state
laws
specifically
for
community
gardens.
That's
a
choice
for
common
council
to
make
in
the
end.
S
S
I
have
deep
concerns
with
regards
to
the
placement
of
affordable
housing
immediately
adjacent
to
a
wastewater
treatment
plant,
a
railroad
crossing
and
a
above
ground
high
volume
patrol
petroleum
storage
facility.
I've
concerns
with
that.
With
regards
to
environmental
justice
issues,
the
original
project
that
had
come
to
us
before
this
developer
was
opposed
because
of
the
amount
of
hardscaping
over
the
parcel.
S
This
current
project
has
equal
amount
of
hardscaping
over
the
parcel,
and
I
agree
with
george
that
I
just
think
it
is
too
large
and
too
dense
and
will
exacerbate
existing
traffic
issues
that
we
have
in
this
area
of
the
city
and
as
in
surprise,
to
no
one,
I
will
be
voting
against
it.
K
Thank
you
and
I
appreciate
the
comments
of
of
my
colleagues.
I
will
be
voting
in
favor
of
this.
I
think
there
are
significant
community
benefits,
the
idea
of
there
being
a
downtown
local
walkable
medical
facility.
I
I
think,
is
a
huge
plus
and
we've
been
talking
about
the
community
gardens
for
as
long
as
I've
lived
in
ithaca,
and
so
it
would
be
great
to
see
a
permanent
home
for
the
the
gardens.
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
affordable
housing
building,
which
I
do
support.
K
We
need
affordable
housing
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
project.
There
will
be
green
space
adjacent.
This
is
close
to
the
ithaca
farmer's
market,
close
to
aldi's
close
to
the
waterfront
trail,
so
there's
access
to
a
great
deal
of
shopping
as
well
as
as
to
nature.
I
do
have
a
question,
though,
about
the
affordable
aspect
of
this.
If,
if
funding
is
not
received
for
the
affordable
building,
what
does
that
then
mean
in
terms
of
the
need
to
return
to
council?
W
They'd
have
to
come
and
renegotiate
the
terms
of
the
pud.
If
they
can't
fulfill
the
the
benefits
that
they're
listing,
then
they
they
would
come
back
to
council
and
that's
what
there's
language
in
there.
W
V
Yeah,
no,
that's
my
that's
my
understanding
as
well.
Is
that
that's
the
whole.
The
whole
thing
it
is,
and
you
know
council
doesn't
need
to
recognize,
of
course,
that
once
something's
built
it'll
be
a
very
interesting
question:
how
to
navigate
a
renegotiation
of
such
a
condition,
but
my
council
would
have
a
lot
of
leverage
in
coming
up
with
a
substitute.
That's
also
true.
I
I
That's
the
first
question,
the
second
one.
I've
always
pushed
for
trying
to
make
sure
there's
some
kind
of
understanding
about
how
much
shade
is
provided.
You
know,
like
trees
per
parking
area.
In
some
of
these
larger
surface
lots.
Do
you
have
any
information
about
the
plans
for
that?
I
don't
see
anything
on
the
drawing
there,
but
presumably
there
is
some
kind
of
planting
scheme
for
the
parking
lot
the
surface
and
just
to
avoid
heat
islands.
You
know
I
mean
these
parking
lots
around.
W
X
In
the
end,
I
they
did
take
away
some
parking
and
they
demonstrated
to
the
satisfaction
of
at
least
planning
board
that
they
had
minimized
the
parking
there's.
They
had
a
shared
parking
analysis.
Where
they're
you
know
the
the
different
uses
on
the
on
the
site
happening
and
happening
at
different
times
or
shared,
so
they
did
minimize
it
a
fair
amount
from
the
first
time
they
came
to
the
planning
board
and
I
think
to
you
that
was
a.
X
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
that
and
in
terms
of
tr
there
did.
The
planning
board
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
the
landscape
plan
as
well.
There
are
trees
throughout
the
parking
lot
and
also
two
and
a
half
acres
of
community
garden
on
the
site
and
landscaping
in
other
places.
X
So
it
certainly
did-
and
you
know
there
was
certainly
more
paving
than
there
is
now-
because
it's
an
undeveloped
site,
but
in
the
end
the
planning
board,
you
know,
made
sure
that
they
provided
trees
in
the
parking
lot
and
in
other
areas
of
the
site
and
rain
gardens
or
rain
gardens
and
storm
water
management
practices
sort
of
woven
throughout
the
site.
Does
that
answer
your
question.
Q
So
you
know
I
several
of
us
have
been
wait.
Sorry
was
I
right
to
go.
Q
I
mean
several
of
us
have
been
on
council
for
quite
a
while
now
and
I
think
from
remember
the
different
versions
and
iterations
of
this
of
this
project
over
the
years,
and
you
know
the
different
developers
that
have
come
forward.
I
think
this
is
you
know.
The
important
thing
to
remember
is
that
this
is
it's
a
really
really
challenging
site.
You
know
you
have
sort
of
some
semi-industrial
uses
that
are
nearby.
You
got
the
railroad
tracks.
You've
got
the
the
power
lines
which
really
impedes
development.
Q
It's
a
challenging
site,
and
you
know
because
of
that
I
think
any
developer
that
comes
along
is
going
to
face
some
real
obstacles
and
doing
something
which
the
community
values
here.
What
I
like
about
the
and-
and
I
can
say
right
away
that
there
are
aspects
of
this
project
that
you
know.
I
I'm
not
thrilled
about-
I'm
not
thrilled
about
the
surface
parking,
but
you
know
I
look
at
the
benefits
that
it's
bringing
and
they're
enormous.
I
mean
we
have
wrestled
with
the
community
gardens
for
as
long
as
I've
been
on
common
council.
Q
This
would
give
them
a
permanent
home
and
and
create
a
couple
acres
of
community
gardening
space.
That's
something
that's
really
of
value
to
city
residents,
and
certainly
we've
heard
from
them
in
support
of
it.
It
would
also
create
the
downtown
medical
center,
which
is
definitely
something
our
you
know
is,
is
a
benefit
to
the
community
as
well
as
the
150
jobs.
B
Q
Mixed
use
aspect
and
having
some
retail
down
there
could
really
liven
up
the
the
area,
and
I
think
it's
it's
also
you.
You
know.
I
know
that,
like
our
waterfront
is
really
kind
of
an
area,
that's
in
transition
right
now,
you
know
we
still
have
a
lot
of
industrial
uses
on
the
waterfront.
I
think
you
have
to
look
at
this
project
in
terms
of
the
larger
long-term
vision
that
we
have
where
we
want
to
transition.
Q
The
waterfront
to
an
area
that
you
know
has
housing
has
offers
retail,
but
also
offers
public
amenities
and
access
to
the
waterfront.
I
think
this
project
provides
all
those,
and
I
can
say
that
you
know
I
know
that
there
it's
it's
been
a
long
process
and
it's
been
a
furious
negotiation
to
get
us
to
this
point.
You
know
my
concern:
is
that
not
let
the
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
the
good?
You
know,
I
really
do
think
after
years
and
years
of
work
at
this
site
that
this
is.
D
H
Yeah
seth
said
it
very
well
better
than
I
could.
I'm
actually
quite
excited
about
this
for
the
reasons
he
stated,
I
want
to
give
a
shout
out
too
for
the
residents
of
the
north
side
neighborhood,
which
gave
a
lot
of
excellent
feedback
and
to
the
project
team
for
listening
to
them
or
incorporating
or
attempting
to
I
mean
there
are
a
lot
of
unknowns,
but
the
willingness
to
work
with
the
community
gardens
and
to
seek
some
of
the
demands
of
the
neighborhood,
such
as
affordable
dental,
affordable
dental
service.
H
You
know,
combined
with
the
complexity
of
the
sites.
I
think
this
will
be
a
great
addition.
I
hope
it
makes
the
city
a
lot
better
and
then
it's
so
well.
Timed
too,
with
the
study
that
the
feds
gave
us
to
try
to
make
13
like
a
more
complete
street,
so
I'll
be
enthusiastically
supporting
this
tonight.
S
Under
clarification,
I've
heard
it
mentioned
repeatedly
that
the
community
gardens
will
have
a
permanent
home,
but
I
also
heard
previously
that
the
city
is
retaining
ownership
of
the
community
garden
site
and
has
the
open
opportunity
to
provide
a
license
to
the
gardens
so
that
it's
it's
just
retains
the
current
situation
that
may
or
may
not
change
with
a
future
council
correct.
They
aren't
taking
ownership
of
the
property
or
are
they.
V
Sure
yeah
they're
not
taking
ownership
under
the
proposed
structure,
but
it
would
be
a
much
longer
term
lease
with
much
less
uncertainty
baked
into
it
than
the
currently.
V
Obvious
you
have
to
come
and
counsel,
I'm
just
referring
to
the
to
the
discussions
that
have
occurred
and
the
at
least
that
would
be
likely
to
come
before
you.
But.
V
Well
again,
if
council
chose
to
approve
the
lease
that
the
gardens
have
proposed
and
that
staff
and
the
mayor
have,
in
general
terms,
discussed
with
some
support,
it
would
be
notably
different
than
the
current
lease.
It
would
have
a
lot
more
stability
to
it
and
it
would
be
a
long-term
home
for
the
guardians
I
think
pretty.
Clearly.
Okay,
but
that's
in
the
end
up
the
council.
C
X
What
they
are
proposing
and
trying
to
make
happen
is
a
medicaid
dental
clinic
on
and
among
other
services
for
low
lower
income
people
on
the
on
the
as
part
integrated
into
part
of
the
medical
office
building.
But
that
wasn't
a
community
benefit
because
they
didn't
know
that
when
they
applied
for
the
pud.
I
D
Sorry
that
carries
seven
to
three
george
cynthia
and
donna
proposed.
D
S
D
Ducks
did
ducks
in
the
pose
or
did
dustin
support
him,
but
okay.
Thank
you
thanks
stuff,
any
other.
Any
reports
of
the
chair.
Q
V
Attorney
sorry,
I'm
new
there
under
no
report.
Q
D
A
I
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
the
the
letter
I
put
together
with
shelly
and
dan's
help
to
ask
state
leaders
to
give
retirement
credit
to
people
who
retired
earlier
than
they
were
going
to
because
of
the
pandemic.
A
Everyone
has
agreed
to
sign
that
now
and
with
julie's
help
we're
going
to
put
that
together
under
the
common
council
seal
and
send
that
off
in
the
very
near
future.
So
thank
you
for
your
support
on
that
project.
B
A
Whatever
is
convenient
for
my
colleagues,
I'm
happy
to
take
it
around
to
their
house.
If,
if
they've
got
something
interesting
in
their
refrigerator,
no
or
or
they
can
go
to
city
hall,
whichever
they
prefer.
B
D
B
Of
the
minutes,
we
don't
have
any
minutes
ready
for
approval,
so.
D
Is
there
a
motion
to
adjourn
move
by
grant
sector
by
steve
all
of
us
in
favor
that
carries
unanimously
yeah
we
got
we're
gonna
have
to
check
you
guys
for
peds
or
something
your
fast
twitch
muscle
fibers
are
out
of
this
world.
You
always
win
that
race.
We'll
stand
adjourn
until
we'll
see
a
committee
next
week
thanks
everybody
good
to
see.