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A
Looks
like
we
are
now
live
on
youtube
as
well
as
recording.
Thank
you
julie.
I
will
ask
for
a
motion
to
come
out
of
executive
session.
Patrick
thank
you
and
a
second
jorge.
Thank
you
all.
Those
in
favor
of
coming
out
of
executive
session.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We
had
what
is
a
very
useful,
helpful
discussion
in
executive
session
and
there
is
a
motion
that
has
come
out
of
that
and
I
will
turn
to
patrick
to
articulate
that
and
then
look
for
advice
from
comments
from
colleagues
and
advice
from
staff,
patrick.
B
I
I
motioned
us
and
council
voted
in
a
majority
to
move
some
things
out
of
executive
session
and
the
three
things
that
I
motioned
for
us
to
move
out
that
I
first
just
wanted
to
say
out
loud,
then
ask
ari
to
explain
any
of
the
legal
aspects
of
that
and
then
allow
us
as
council
to
publicly
discuss
are
the
first
thing
being
the
civil
service
implications
on
the
creation
of
a
commissioner
on
chief
slash,
deputy
chiefs,
the
implications
for
civil
service
of
deputy
city
manager,
slash
a
deputy
sus.
B
C
I
know
I've
unmuted,
thank
you
patrick
glad
to
and
I'll
also
say,
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
it,
but
our
hr
director
here
is
here
as
well,
and
I
can
imagine
I
may
well.
I
want
to
speak
to
some
of
that.
C
I'm
happy
to
defer
whenever
and
if
you'd
like
to
to
jump
in
there,
shall
we
so
with
respect
to
and
kelly
would
you
prefer
to
I'm
happy
to
go
ahead
in
response
to
the
questions
that's
asked
of
me,
but
if
you
would
prefer
to
be
the
one
to
start
anywhere
before
you
want
to
have
what
you
tell
me.
C
Sure
so
I
know
that
the
a
lot
of
the
city,
civil
service
expertise,
particularly
around
point
factoring
that
an
answer
to
the
first
part
of
your
question,
patrick,
has
concluded
that
establishing
a
commissioner
of
community
safety
position.
C
But
you
know
budgeting
and
budgetary
proposals
over
issues
like
discipline
and-
and
you
know,
senior
managerial
authority
at
the
department
head
level
would
very
likely
impact
the
manner
in
which
the
chief
of
police's
position,
which
would
no
longer
be
a
department
head
position,
would
point
factor
and
shelley
can
speak
much
more
directly
to
what
point
factoring
means
and
how
that
works
in
the
hr
department,
but
in
short,
that
that
could
and
that
could
reduce,
potentially
reduce
the
recommended
salary
for
the
chief
of
police
position.
C
D
Yeah,
so
I
think
for
certain
if
it
is
set
up
and
established
in
a
way
that
the
chief
no
longer
has
those
duties
and
responsibilities.
That's
accurate
point
factoring
is
when
we
look
at
there's
several
factors
that
we
look
at
the
job
description
to
evaluate
and
factors
I'll
just
run
through.
Just
to
give
you
a
sense,
would
be
education,
type
of
supervision,
scope
of
supervision,
communications
impact
on
the
community.
D
So
there's
a
list
of
factors
that
we
yeah
and
based
upon
the
job
description
would
evaluate
it,
and,
and
each
of
those
factors
has
a
weighting
and
supervision.
It
has
a
has,
a
a
pretty
significant
weighting.
D
Education
is
another
factor
that
we
look
at
supervision
and
budget
also
is
another
area
that
would
impact
so
yeah.
So
if,
if
the
scope
of
responsibilities
were
to
change
it,
would
it
would
affect
that
that
factory
that's
correct.
C
Eat
your
mute.
Yes,
I
am
thank
you
thank
you
shelly,
so
patrick,
hopefully,
that's
that's
at
least
the
sort
of
basic
answer.
You're.
Looking
for
in
response
to
your
first
question
on
your
second
question
of,
I
think
you
asked,
in
contrast,
how
would
a
I
think,
did
you
say
a
deputy
chief
of
staff
and
or
deputy
city
manager
for
public
safety
related
topics?
C
How
would
that
impact
that
same
point
factoring
issue
again,
I'm
sure
shelley
will
have
a
more
detailed
answer
to
provide,
but
I
think
it
does
interact
with
your
third
question,
so
maybe
I'll
actually
go
to
that
briefly
as
well
and
answer
the
second
question,
your
third
question
about
how
authority,
legally
speaking,
moves
through
the
city
managerial
structure
to
the
extent
you
know
I'll
take
the
example
currently
of
the
mayor
and
the
chief
and
the
mayor's
chief
of
staff,
the
chief
of
staff
obtains
her
authority
from
the
office
of
the
mayor.
C
The
chief
of
staff
exercises
the
mayor's
authority
as
it
is
delegated
to
her
by
the
mayor
and-
and
I
think
that's
the
basic
answer
to
your
question
about
I'm.
A
deputy
city
manager
or
deputy
chief
of
staff
for
public
safety
issues
is
to
say
that
the
authority
of
the
city
manager
or
the
authority
of
the
mayor
currently
could
be
delegated
on
specific
public
safety.
C
If
the
chief
of
police
remained
the
department
head,
that
was
in
charge
inside
the
department
of
discipline,
budgeting
etc,
albeit
accountable
to
the
mayor's
office
and
or
the
supplement
with
some
very
direct
focused
supervision
coming
from
that
office
in
the
form
of
a
deputy
city
manager
for
public
safety
or
in
the
form
of
a
deputy
chief
of
staff
for
public
safety.
C
I
I
don't
believe
that
would
change
the
department
head
responsibilities
of
the
chief
of
police
in
a
manner
that
would
strike
me
as
having
an
impact,
at
least
a
substantial
impact
on
that
point
factoring,
but
I'll
allow
shelley
to
speak
to
that
as
well.
I'm
obviously
given
hr
expertise.
D
Well,
if
you're
not
affecting
the
authorities,
then
it
it
it
wouldn't
have
it.
It
would
not
have
an
impact,
whether
it's
a
deputy
or
a
commissioner.
If
you
leave
the
police
chief
intact
in
terms
of
their
responsibilities
and
authorities,
then
then
you
know
it
would
not
have
an
impact.
We
have
drafted
the
job
description
for
the
the
chief
of
police
with
all
the
same
authorities
that
it
currently
has.
C
Authority
that
they
actually
had
not
not
having
that
authority
assigned
to
somebody
else
in
the
first
instance
by
my
legislation,
right.
D
So
to
answer
your
question
as
long
as
they,
the
police
chief
retains
their
authorities.
It
would
not
have
an
impact.
C
C
Yeah,
so
I
mean
I
guess
what
I
would
say
in
response
is
that
the
to
the
point
that
shelley
was
just
making
if
the
chief
of
police
is,
I
guess
the
the
point
that
I
would
make
in
support
of
the
point
that
shelley
was
just
making
is
that
the
mayor's
office
already
has
a
great
deal
of
authority,
unsurprisingly
and
appropriately
so
over
the
operation
of
the
departments
of
the
city,
including
over
the
police
department,
and
on
the
chief
of
police.
C
What
the
mayor's
office
does
not
have
is,
nor
with
the
city
manager's
office,
without
council
funding.
Such
a
position
is
a
member
of
that
office,
a
member
of
the
mayor's
office
or
a
member
of
the
city
manager's
office,
who
is
dedicated
with
with
full
bandwidth
just
to
focus
on
public
safety
issues,
and
and
so
that
that
I
think,
would
would
be
the
difference
right.
Is
that
either
way
the
mayor
or
city
manager
had
those
authorities
over
the
department
head?
C
C
Chief
of
staff
for
public
safety
could
fill
that
role
without,
I
believe,
having
in
any
way
impacted.
I
would
imagine,
and
again
I'm
not
the
one
who
does
point
factoring.
That's
an
hr
function,
but
I
would
imagine,
given
that
the
formal
authorities
as
a
department
head,
would
remain
the
same
for
the
chief
of
staff.
Under
that
scenario,
I
would
also
imagine
to
patrick's
question
that
it
would
preserve
a
the
same,
or
at
least
a
very
similar
point,
factoring
for
that
position.
B
A
B
I
think
our
answer
answered
all
of
my
questions.
Shelly
and
I
together
answered
the
three
questions
I
had
well,
I
think
it
it
all
comes
back
to
that
last
part
we
were
talking
about
was
the
third
thing
I
mentioned
of
just
how
authority
travels
of
who
you
know
we're
saying
about
department,
heads
and
what
contributes
to
the
point
factoring
is
their
amount
of
responsibilities
that
they
formally
have
the
job
description,
I
think,
but
already
said
at
the
end
thereof,
the
mayor's
office
technically.
E
B
The
story
right
now,
it's
a
question
of:
do
they
have
the
bandwidth
to
exercise
that
authority
regularly.
So
I
guess
the
only
thing
I
was
going
to
add
was
just
a
reiterance
of
something
I'd.
Love
for
all
of
council
to
discuss
is
how
we
view
one
person
with
the
formal
authority,
and
you
know.
I
think
that
the
example
is.
B
The
main
chief
staff
is
perfect,
that
technically,
the
chief
of
staff
does
not
have
any
direct
or
her
responsibilities
authority
for
something
else
unless
the
mayor
directs
them
to,
and
so
to
me,
the
thing
I
think
would
be
helpful
to
discuss
is
if
we
want
to
have
whatever
the
position
is,
whether
it's
you
know
in
cities,
manager,
stuff
measures
it
up
a
little.
A
B
E
If
duck
wants
to
answer
patrick's
question,
you
should
go
ahead.
I
I
had
another
thing
to
talk
about.
G
G
We
are
faced
with
unanswered
questions
and
a
lot
of
legal
questions
to
to
resolve,
and
so
I
have
a
general
sentiment.
It
would
be
nice
indeed
to
hear
from
everybody
which
direction
that
you
think
we
should
move
forward
and
and
then
to
answer.
You
know
patrick's
question
directly.
I
think
it's
a
reasonable
alternative.
E
Yes,
please,
so
it's
my
understanding
that
if
we
create
a
new
department,
a
department
of
community
safety
with
a
commissioner
in
charge
and
director
of
police
and
a
director
of
community
solutions
that
takes
away
point
factoring
for
the
chief
of
police,
which
I
would
think
would
reduce
the
chief's
salary
and
what
that
does
also.
Is
it
compresses
the
salaries
of
the
deputy
chiefs
lieutenants?
I
mean
it
really
creates
a
number
of
problems.
E
I
I
would
think
if
we
go
with
a
city
manager
after
the
referendum,
this
fall,
then
that
is
a
very
similar
structure
to
what
the
county
has
now
the
county
administrator
oversees
all
the
departments
in
the
county.
E
I
guess
again
thinking
of
trying
to
avoid
a
top-heavy
organization.
I
I
guess
I
don't
see
the
need
for
a
deputy
city
manager
overseeing
just
the
police
department.
E
A
Oversight
over
all
departments,
what
I
think
we
are
discussing
at
least
I'm
interested
in
knowing
more
about
a
deputy
city
manager,
who
would
be
tasked
specifically
with
community
safety.
E
A
E
Yeah,
I
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
weeds.
I
just
think
before
we
start
assigning
deputies.
I
think
we
should
find
out
if
we're
gonna
have
a
city
manager
or
not.
A
Okay,
I
see
other
hands
up,
but
let
me
ask
if
shelly
or
ari
have
any
comment
on
this
last
one.
A
Thank
you.
Shelley
will
said
what
I
said.
I
saw
duckson's
hand,
I'm
not
sure
if
this
was
a
first
hand
up.
Why
don't
we
go
ducks
in
robert
and
jorge.
A
A
Thank
you,
shelley
said.
A
Okay,
robert.
H
Thanks
laurel
yeah
so
I'll,
I
I
recognize
that
that,
as
this
discussion
is
unfolded
right,
some
colleagues
want
to
review
the
the
proposed
commission
position
further.
You
know,
I
I
think,
if,
if
a
vote's
not
moving
forward
this
year,
I
I
would
just
lend
my
voice
in
support
of
establishing
a
deputy
chief
of
staff
for
public
safety
to
coordinate
and
oversee,
as
like
the
mayor's
office's
designee
in
the
short
term.
To
address
george's
point,
I
think
this
could
be
an
expansive
definition
of
public
safety.
I
mean,
I
think
this.
H
This
individual
could
be
tasked
with
coordinating
also
with
fire
safety
and-
and
you
know,
other
elements
as
again
as
as
our
as
our
chiefs
of
staff
do
and
creating
a
point
person
for
for
that
domain
seems
to
make
sense.
I
think
we
have
another
advantage
to
this
right
is
we
have
a
lot
more
flexibility
in
creating
a
deputy
chief
of
staff
which
we
can
move
forward
with,
as
we
refine
a
commissioner
position
to
transition
to
or
a
deputy
manager
position?
H
I
would.
I
would
note
that
I
think
the
proposed
bill
from
last
month
takes
effect
in
2024,
and
my
understanding
is
that,
while
the
referendum
deadline
for
this
year
is
next
month,
a
referendum
in
august
say
I'm
sorry,
a
a
a
passage
of
a
local
on
august,
say
or
anywhere
else.
You
know
the
referendum
would
be
the
following
year,
but
you
could
still
have
something
take
effect
with
the
force
of
law
in
2024..
H
C
That's
right!
Well,
sorry,
robert,
it
looks
like
you
wanted
to
clarify.
C
Uh-Huh,
so
I
guess
the
simplest
response
to
your
point
is
I
mean
it's
certainly
true,
that
a
local
law
that
has
been
passed
after
this
year's
referendum
deadline,
so,
let's
say
a
local
law
that
were
passed.
This
fall
by
the
common
council
that
was
in
fact,
subject
to
referendum,
could
and,
as
a
matter
of
normal
course
would
appear
on
the
fall
2023
ballot
as
a
referendum,
because
it
had
missed
the
2022
ballot
for
deadline
for
for
that
referendum
and
then
could
take
effect
after
that.
C
Yes,
it
could
take
effect
sometime
in
2024
if
it
were
approved
at
the
2023
ballot.
I
think
that
is
that
is
an
accurate
statement.
A
No,
that
the
question
that
clarification
was
helpful.
Thank
you
jorge.
C
And
I'm
sorry,
actually
I
just
realized,
maybe
I
should
add
one
other
element
to
that
clarification.
If
that's
okay,
sure
which
is,
I
I
think,
the
other
implicit
part
of
your
question
just
now,
robert
was
just
to
confirm
that
indeed,
in
contrast,
the
creation
of
a
deputy
city
manager
would
not
need
to
navigate
that
timeline
in
the
same
manner.
Was
that
essentially
important.
H
C
Right
and
indeed
to
that
portion
of
the
question-
yes,
I
I
I
I
believe,
that's
correct
in
the
sense
that
creating
a
once,
you
have
a
chief
of
staff
as
we
do
now
under
the
mayor,
or
once
you
have
a
city
manager
under
a
new
model.
Creating
a
deputy
to
that
person
who,
to
whom
the
primary
officials
authority
is
nearly
delegated,
should
not
have
any
referendum
implications.
I
I
believe,
you're
correct.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you
that,
for
the
clarifications
helpful
jorge,
I'm
not
sure
when
the
hands
went
up,
I
see
jorge
phoebe
and
patrick
whose
hand
was
up
first.
I
A
J
J
I
understand,
and
it's
compelling
argument
made,
that
we're
going
to
need
somebody
with
like
who
can
focus
and
hone
in
on
public
safety
to
make
this
top
priority,
to
make
sure
that
it's
really
important
and
functional,
because,
as
I've
been
saying
from
the
get-go,
we
need
a
really
strong
first
step
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
fumble,
and
this
needs
to
be
executed
like
as
well
as
possible.
J
And
so
I
understood
that's
why,
with
that
said,
I
understand
the
argument
for
wanting
a
commissioner
whose
sole
task
would
be
to
monitor
both
divisions
and
and
deal
with
that,
whereas
the
city
manager
or
deputy
city
manager
would
have
to
deal
with
navigating
these
these
responsibilities
on
top
of
the
rest
of
the
city.
That
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
and
so
and
to
that
point
I
think
that
we
should
be
discussing
other
ways
that
we
can
support.
J
Whoever
this
person
would
be,
whether
it
be
a
commissioner
or
a
deputy
city
staff,
and
we've
talked
about
this
in
the
interim
throughout
different
committee
of
the
holes
and
discussions
pertaining
to
public
safety.
I
think
we
need
to
return
to
a
conversation
about
establishing
a
police
accountability
board
so
that
we
can
better.
J
You
know,
support
any
individual,
whether
this
be
it's
a
deputy,
you
know,
deputy
city
manager
or,
commissioner,
I
think
I'm
leaning
more
towards
having
a
commissioner
in
mind,
because
it's
somebody
who
would
focus
on
the
issues
of
public
safety,
but
I
feel
like
this
individual
is
going
to
need
more
support
than
just
themselves
and
I
think
a
police
accountability
board,
as
we've
seen
utilized
throughout
the
country,
especially
very
closely
to
western
rochester.
It's
a
very
good
use.
J
But
again,
I've
been
stressing
that
we
need
long-term
commitments
to
this
program
and
having
a
police
accountability
board
that
could
be
set
upon
by
citizens
of
ithaca
to
help
with
the
commissioner
in
their
task
of
trying
to
oversee
the
police,
and
these
could
be
members
from
the
community
who
are
already
doing
public
safety
within
their
respective
spheres.
I
think
that's
what
we
need
to
be
discussing
in
more
detail.
A
There
is
now
a
community-facing
dashboard.
We
voted
just
last
week
on
a
system
lexical
that
will
address
training
of
ipd
officers,
updating
policies,
making
much
information,
far
more
transparent
to
the
public.
So
I
understand
what
you're
saying
about
significant
first
steps.
I
do
want
to
add
that
there
are
first
steps
that
have
been
taken
and
that
are
being
taken
in
response
to
a
number
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
recommendations.
J
Yeah,
I
couldn't
agree
more
mayor
lewis,
but
yet
to
my
specific
point,
though-
and
I
agree
with
all
of
that-
and
I
think
we
should
be
doing
more
steps
that
where
we
can
implement
recommendations
as
we
can
right
now,
as
we've
demonstrated
at
previous
council
meetings.
But
I
really
do
think
we
need
to
if
we're
talking
about
the
administrative
aspect
of
civilian
oversight
and
how
we're
going
to
manage
this,
I
think
we
really
need
to
hone
in
on
a
conversation
of
insert
commissioner
or
city
deputy
here
city
manager,
deputy
here.
J
I'm
again,
I'm
leaning
more.
I
feel
like
commissioner,
who
could
focus
and
make
this.
The
major
prospect
should
should
be
should
be
taking
key
here,
but
I
really
think
we
should
be
discussing
in
more
depth
something
like
a
police
accountability
board,
and
I
know
we
have
the
community
review
board,
but
that's
a
little
it's
a
bit
different
from
from
how
accountability
boards
throughout
just
new
york
city
alone,
like
in
rochester,
have
been
operating,
and
I
think
we
need
to
be
taking
a
look
at
that.
A
Thank
you
phoebe
and
then
patrick
and
then
cynthia.
K
Okay,
I
spoke
earlier,
and
I
was
saying
that
I
needed
to
hear
this
conversation
to
help
me
guide
me
in
which
way
I
that
the
way
that
I
see
this
and
and
and
I
need
to
thank
you,
shelley-
and
I
need
to
thank
you
jorge
to
help
me-
help
me
kind
of
understand
a
little
more
about
why
this
is
important
right
and
so,
when
shelley
said,
the
part
about
this
person
will
focus
mainly
on
public
safety
right,
and
I
think
that
what
what
has
touched
me
more
than
anything
is
this
executive
order
was
tasked
to
us,
not
just
us
throughout
new
york
state
right
and
how
important
it
is
because
of
the
history
of
why
we're
doing
it,
and
I
think
that
continues
to
get
kind
of
lost
right,
that
we
have
seen
throughout
our
country
a
process
of
how
we
were
not
getting
the
best
public
safety.
K
And
I'm
talking
about
the
public.
I'm
not
talking
about
us
sitting
on
here
talking
about
the
public,
I'm
talking
about
the
people
who
depend
and
who
look
forward
to
being
protected
by
our
police
officers
right
and
how
important
it
is
for
us
to
like
jorge
stay
is
to
really
put
some
teeth
in
it
right
and
not
really.
Look
at
all
that
all
the
I
don't
know
for
me.
You
know
it's
like
just
let
let's,
let's
get
to
the
point.
K
The
point
is
that
we've
watched
some
really
unhealthy
situations
through
policing
and
community
right,
and
so
we
need
so,
and
I'm
not
saying
I
think
it's
important
if
we
have
someone
who
is
their
eyes
is
on
the
prize
about
public
safety
right
that
is
watching.
That
is
making
sure
I
don't
I
I
don't
know.
I
haven't
seen
a
description
of
the
work
that
this
person
will
be
doing,
but
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
someone
who
us
as
community
members,
can
feel
that
we
have
somebody.
K
That's
had
have
our
interests
at
heart,
right,
not
saying
no
one
on
this
call
doesn't
and
there's
a
lot
of
police
officers
that
do
too.
But
for
me,
as
a
woman
who
have
witnessed
lots
of
inequities
happening
to
people
that
look
like
me,
I'm
just
like,
let's
make
it
happen,
y'all,
let's
make
this
happen
and
right.
I
know,
and
I
heard
something
about
2024
this
is
2022
and-
and
I
I
don't
know
I
don't
know,
all
I
know
is
whiteboard
bro
broke
the.
K
What's
that
thing,
the
card,
and
so
I'm
just
really
I'm
thankful
to
everybody
on
this
on
everybody
who
spoke
everybody
who's
doing
this
work,
because
it's
helping
me
to
get
a
better
look
and
a
better
understanding.
So
thank
you,
but
thank
you
again,
shelly
in
hawaii-
and
I
I
agree
with
with
jorge.
We
need
not
a
police
review.
I
mean
what
is
that
what
we
have
now?
We
need
something
with
a
little
more
teeth.
A
Thank
you,
patrick
cynthia
and
george.
B
B
What
is
it
that
we're
asking
this
person
to
do
and
so
that
kind
of
comes,
I
guess
my
question
of.
I
don't
think
you
can
answer.
What
is
this
person's
job
description
until
we
understand
who
they're
reporting
to,
and
so
I
guess
what
I'd
like
to
ask
of
shelley.
You
know,
I
think
the
three
choices
at
least
that
it
sounds
like
we're
talking
the
most
about
are
a
commissioner,
a
deputy
chief
of
staff
and
a
deputy
city
manager.
B
How
long
do
you
think
it
would
take
to
hire
a
city
manager
and
then
in
turn,
hire
a
deputy
city
manager?
So
that's
the
first
one
and
then
assuming
the
city
manager
were
to
fail
referendum?
How
long
would
it
take
to
hire
a
deputy
staff,
and
I
apologize
then
the
third
one
is
ignoring
both
of
those.
If
we
were
to
make
the
commissioner
say
it
could
be
put
in
a
referendum
in
a
commissioner
passed
referendum,
how
long
would
it
take
to
hire
a
commissioner.
D
D
That's
a
good
question,
I
know,
but
a
couple
of
things.
Typically,
when
we're
hiring
at
the
department
head
level
you're
talking
about
a
six-month
period
of
time,
I've
I've
drawn
up
timelines
for
three
months
and
they
usually
go
a
little
bit
over,
but
I
would
say
if
you,
I
think
one
of
the
recommendations
too,
regarding
when
we
were
talking
about
a
commissioner,
was
to
actually
have
an
executive
search
firm,
carry
out
that
search
and
so
that,
yes,
that
would
that
would
and
could
be
done
within
a
six-month
period
of
time.
D
What
I
don't
know
is,
if
you,
if
there's
a
referendum
for
a
commissioner,
I'm
not
clear
on
whether
that
has
to
wait
till
2024
or
is
that
something
that
could
happen
in?
I
don't
know
when
that
would
be
effective.
A
Question
you
could
start
a
search
before
that,
because
it
it
also
is
my
understanding
that
if
the
city
manager
referendum
passes,
a
city
manager
would
come
on
board
january
2024.
A
So
a
search
would
occur,
but
the
position
would
actually
not
be
held
until
january
2024.
That's
the
the
city
manager
position.
B
A
D
L
Thank
you
like
phoebe,
I'm
feeling
a
little
impatient.
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
make
progress
to
do
it
deliberately,
consciously
and
without
delay.
We're
talking
right
now
about
a
commissioner
position.
Duckson
has
presented
a
local
law
that
that
he
himself
recognized
was
a
draft
and
was
incomplete.
L
I
myself
have
have
severe
some
really
structural
concerns
about
the
local
law
that
we
are
considering
upon,
which
the
commissioner
would
be
presented
and
that
would
need
to
go
through.
I
think
significant
revision
before
we
could
even
understand
what
the
commissioner
role
would
be.
So
I
I
do
think
it's
really
premature
at
this
time
to
consider
a
referendum
on
a
commissioner
with
a
local
law
which
we
don't
really
have
a
complete
draft.
L
That
would
include
a
development
of
a
community
response
team
working
with
the
chief
of
police
working
with
the
community
justice
center,
which
I
believe
is
what
we
would
be
considering
as
a
police
accountability
board
in
conjunction
along
with
the
the
sheriff's
department
in
the
county
and
and
other
community
members
who
will
be
appointed
to
that
board.
L
I'd
like
to
see
incorporation
not
only
in
terms
of
mental
health,
addiction
services,
homelessness.
How
do
we
respond
compassionately
in
terms
of
crisis,
in
conjunction
with
law
enforcement
and
ems?
L
Inclusion
of
the
the
lead
program,
outreach
workers?
I
I
do
believe
that
the
the
work
and
the
depth
and
breadth
of
this
requires
an
individual
person
to
do
this.
I
think
that
we
could
do
this
without
upsetting
or
or
having
to
restructure
our
existing
managerial
structures
within
the
city,
which
I
think
the
commissioner
role
would
require.
L
I
do
believe
that
we
could
proceed
with
a
deputy
chief
of
staff
right
now
and
build
that
build
a
job
description
first
before
we
do
that.
In
the
months
we
have
putting
together
an
ad
hoc
committee,
whose
first
task
would
be
evaluating
what
the
supervisory
position
would
be.
L
What
their
role,
job
and
responsibilities
would
be,
how
they
would
integrate
with
existing
structures
and
work
to
create
new
structures
as
as
we
envision
and
their
first
task
might
be
to
have
something
ready
so
that
when
we
come
to
this
budget
season,
we
could
actually
create
that
title
and
and
have
that
filled
in
2023,
for
us
to
talk
about
city
manager
and
so
on.
L
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
if
we
go
to
city
manager,
there
will
be
titles
that
exist
now
that
would
merge
and
evolve
and
there's
no
reason
why
this
person
could
not
evolve
into
a
city,
a
deputy
city
manager
or
equivalent
title
designated
with
this
role.
So
I'm
feeling
very
impatient,
I
think,
there's
a
lot.
We
can
do
right
now.
L
And
we
need
to
come
up
with
solutions
that
are
grounded
in
our
reality
here,
work
with
what
we
have,
let's
get
it
done,
so
I
hope
we
have
support
for
that.
A
E
Yeah,
thank
you
laura.
I
I
think
cynthia
makes
a
lot
of
sense.
I
I
want
to
thank
shelly
for
reminding
me
that
we're
at
a
point
where
we
really
need
to
focus
on
this
issue
and
I'll
also
say
that
knowing
the
civil
service
implications,
I'm
I'm
more
attracted
to
the
deputy
city
manager,
position
or
deputy
city
staff
position,
because
it
doesn't
create
all
the
salary
compression
complications
that
a
commissioner
would
do,
and
I
just
like
I
know,
acting
chief
joe
lee
had
his
hand
up
earlier.
I
wonder
if
he
he
has
anything.
I
Thank
you,
george.
Yes,
so
I
recognize
that
this
is
a
decision
that
counts
needs
to
work
through.
So
I
thought
that
maybe
I
would
just
offer
a
couple
things
about
the
department
and
how
I
think
you
know
moving
forward
recruitment
of
a
chief
is
going
to
be
important,
as
well
as
deputy
chiefs
and
building
people
up
within
the
department
that
can
fit
the
roles
that
would
meet
the
demands
and
expectations
of
this
of
council
is
also
something
to
consider,
and
you
know
fully
staffing.
I
The
administration
of
the
department
would
help
whoever
takes
over
this.
This
role,
which
you
know
personally,
I
think
taking
the
sounds
like
the
way
discussion
is
going-
is
away
from
removing
the
department
head
responsibility
from
the
chief,
which
obviously
I
would
support,
leaving
it
intact.
The
way
it
is
and
currently
the
way
it
flows.
I
Now
it's
a
little
bit
different
with
the
titles,
but
you
know
I
speak
with
the
chief
of
staff
almost
daily
about
all
the
things
that
are
going
on
within
the
pd
staffing
concerns,
equipment
issues
and
so
on,
and
I
and
I
specifically
meet
with
the
mayor
twice
a
week
every
two
weeks,
but
you
know
there's
also
phone
calls
and
and
other
communication
that
goes
on
between,
but
you
know
for
formal
meetings
so
and
clearly
they
have
control
over
the
department.
I
A
sense
of
if
the
mayor
has
something
that
she
wants
the
department
to
do.
She
has
the
authority
to
you
know
direct
me
to
have
that
done
and
we
would
get
it
done.
I
mean
we
also
work
closely
with
hr
and
shelly
in
particularly
sits
in
on
every
single
new
hire
interview
that
we
have
and
is
also
intimately
involved
with
all
department
discipline,
as
is
the
city
attorney's
office.
So
I
mean
there's
there
is
you
know
we
don't
operate
in
a
vacuum
at
ip
there's.
A
Thank
you
appreciate
that
robert
or
rob
gerhart
did
you
have
your
hand
up?
First,
okay,
rob
gerhard,
no
robert
cantomo
rob
gearhart
and
then
duckson.
H
And
actually
mine'll
be
very
quick.
I
didn't
even
I
meant
to
put
my
hand
down.
I
was
someone
already
said
it,
but
I
was
gonna
address
patrick's
concern
of
yeah,
like
the
deputy
chief
of
staff,
could
be
hired
like
imminently
and
then
you
could
transition
that
to
one
model
or
the
other,
but
I
know
a
colleague
just
just
mentioned
that
same
thing.
So
that's
all
I
had.
F
I
think
it
has
always
been
the
intent
that
we
would
be
doing
a
search
for
a
new
city
manager
who
might
even
begin
before
january,
1st
2024
by
several
months
or
more,
and
so
I
don't
want
us
to
think
that
it
necessarily
has
to
wait
even
for
a
city
manager.
I
do
think
there's
some
value
in
if
we
were
to
go
down
the
deputy
city
manager
role
focused
on
public
safety
that
we
might
want
to
consider
who
the
city
manager
is
in
doing
that
as
well.
But
I
don't
to
robert's
point.
F
I
don't
think
it
necessarily
has
to
wait
for
that,
but
that's
just
for
everyone's
benefit.
To
make
sure
we
understand
the
timeline
of
the
city
manager
role,
should
it
pass
that
referendum
and
and
just
as
a
final
reminder
that
was
done
intentionally
because
at
the
time
our
mayor,
the
current
mayor's
term,
goes
through
the
end
of
2023
and
we
didn't
want
to
change
that
current
term.
And
so
hence
the
january
2024
city
manager,
role.
A
Yeah
thanks
rob
for
that
clarification
on
on
timeline
and
the
reason
it
was
presented
as
it
was
to
begin
in
2024,
although
that
doesn't
work.
G
I
really
appreciate
this
conversation
and
then
our
commitment
to
moving
forward
and
and
in
that
spirit,
seeing
the
time
and
knowing
laura
your
generosity
with
yours,
your
schedule,
I
just
want
to
list
out
some
things
that
I
think
we've
agreed
to
do
and
and
stuff
that
I
know
robert
and
I
will
bring
to
ca
this
month.
G
And
that
includes
sounds
like
we
are
pretty
in
a
great
much
in
agreement
with
an
ad
hoc
forming
an
ad
hoc
committee
on
community
safety
and
working
out
many
of
the
details
that
we've
tried
to
work
through
tonight,
robert
and
I
have
talked
about
bringing
a
resolution
to
ca.
That
would
accept
the
report.
The
rps
working
group
report,
thus
acknowledging
the
good
work.
G
I
think
many
of
us
have
expressed
our
appreciation
for
that
work,
and
this
would
be
a
formal
way
of
recognizing
that
and
to
start
work
on
as
some
of
you.
As
mentioned
like,
we
can
start
with
a
deputy
chief
of
staff
sooner
rather
than
later,
and
to
start
at
the
very
least,
with
a
commitment
and
maybe
with
the
actual
design
of
that
position,
and
so
I
hope
to
convey
to
the
community
that
we
are
in
fact
moving
forward.
G
Doesn't
sound
like
the
referendum
will
happen
this
year
at
least
I
I
think
it's
robert
product.
We
totally
have
the
option
of
doing
this
next
year
if
we
feel
that
it
after
the
end
of
the
study
period,
that
is
a
we
find
a
way
around
the
these
civil
service
questions
that
that
already
explained
at
the
beginning
of
our
open
session
that
we
could
go
that
path.
If
we
decided
that's
what's
necessary
but
we're
gonna
move
forward,
we
hear
the
people
who
have
come
to
us.
A
D
I
didn't
put
my
hand
up,
I'm
sorry,
I
just
I
didn't
know
I
could
no
just
kidding
hopefully,
so
I
I
just
you
know
when
I
I'll
just
say
when
I
was
thinking
about
this.
My
approach
to
it
because
there's
a
dilemma
here
was
to
say:
we
know
we
don't
want
to
do
anything
that
is
going
to
demote,
the
chief
and
the
deputy
chiefs.
D
And
you
all
have
come
up?
You
know
with
with
with
some
options,
there's
there's
implicate
there,
there's
there's
and
none
of
it's
perfect
when
I
think
in
terms
of
salaries
and
a
salary
grade,
because
right
now
we
have
so
we
are
going
to
have
to
do
some
modifications
to
our
current
system,
because
if
you
add
whether
it's
a
commissioner,
whether
it's
a
a
deputy
chief
of
staff
or
a
deputy
city
manager,
it's
gonna,
it
is
going
to
have
implications
for
our
current
salary
plan.
D
So
I
just
started
with
the
baseline
that
we
don't
want
to
impact
on
the
point
factoring
of
the
police
chief
or
any
of
the
deputy
chiefs.
So
keeping
that
in
mind
the
the
other
thing
I
just
want
to
caution
about
respectfully
caution.
D
When
we
say
that
we
don't
want
to
disrupt
and
keep
intact,
my
caution
is
that
there
are
people
there
who,
like
phoebe,
says,
look
like
me
who
feel
differently.
They
do
want
to
see
change
and
not
that
it
has
to
be
disrupted,
but
there
has
to
be
change.
So
I'm
just
just
cautioning
us
just
in
terms
of
our
language,
because
I
don't
think
we
we
mean
that,
because
we're
doing
this
because
there's
recognition
that
something
different
needs
to
happen,
and
I
I
just
think
it's
really
important
to
keep
that
in
the
forefront.
A
Thank
you
shelley.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
appreciate
that
comment.
I
appreciate
phoebe's
comment
also
earlier
and
it
looked
like
phoebe
wanted
to
add
something
else,
but
it
was
phoebe
twice
tonight
who
was
reminding
us
of
executive
order,
203.
A
And
that
is
something
that
I
do
not
want
us
to
lose
sight
of.
As
we
engage
in
these
very
complex
and
challenging
discussions,
I
do
want
us
moving
forward.
As
I
mentioned
earlier,
there
are
a
number
of
recommendations
that
we
have
been
moving
forward.
Someone
else
mentioned
the
lead
program.
A
That,
too,
is
something
that
has
really
been
making
a
positive,
positive
impact
and
just
as
a
reminder
that
the
community
justice
center,
which
we
also
are
definitely
in
forward
motion
on
that
is
a
collaborative
and
the
cjc
is
focused
on
the
collaborative
recommendations
that
came
out
of
the
working
group,
and
I'm
reminded
that
one
of
the
city-specific
recommendations
was
indeed
to
give
more
authority
and
pay
more
attention
to
the
community
police
board.
A
So
just
reference
back
to
to
jorge's
comment
on
that,
I
think
there
is
much
that
can
be
done
in
in
that
report.
Phoebe
did
you
want
to
comment.
K
Yes,
I
do.
I
do.
I
think
when,
when
you
know
so,
I'm
sitting
here
saying
our
whole
goal
was
to
reimagine
public
safety
right
and
if
we
contin.
If
so
so,
I
just
want
us,
because
I
think
we
stopped
doing
it
is
reimagine
and
when
you
reimagine,
think
of
of
people
who
have
not
felt
safe.
K
A
Thank
you,
phoebe.
Thank
you,
okay,
so
we
have
a
few
items
that
it
looks
like
will
be
taken
to
ca
this
month
and
then
we
do
not
have
any
voting
items
tonight
was
to
continue
the
discussion,
and
I
do
appreciate
everyone's
thoughtfulness
and
respect
for
one
another,
as
we
struggle
with
this
complex
issue,
not
easy
solutions,
not
a
single
solution,
but
I
do
feel
that
the
discussion
tonight
was
was
valuable.
So
I
do
appreciate
that
from
everyone.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
to
personnel
matter,
so
that
is
the
focus
of
our
second
executive
session.