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From YouTube: March 24, 2021 City Administration Committee Meeting and Reimagining Public Safety Discussion
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March 2021 City Administration Committee meeting with discussion of the Reimagining Public Safety Plan
B
Great,
thank
you.
Okay.
I
will
call
us
to
order.
This
is
a
unique
situation.
We
are
using
the
city
administration
committee
meeting
as
a
committee
of
the
whole.
This
is
similar
to
when
we
have
our
budget
process.
We
have
extended
meetings
of
committee
of
the
whole,
so
we
felt
it
was
important
as
we
started
to
dive
into
editing
the
resolution
that
we
will
pass
regarding
reimagining
public
safety
that
all
10
members
of
council
participate.
So
that
is
why
we
are
doing
this
this
way.
B
So
we
are
officially
a
city
administration
committee.
We
do
have
a
couple
of
city
administration
items
that
we
will
need
to
take
care
of
in
between
public
comment
and
when
we
get
to
reimagining
police
and
all
members
of
council
will
vote
on
those
because
we
convened
this
as
a
committee
of
the
whole.
So
that's
a
little
bit
different
than
what
we
normally
do
at
our
at
our
committee
level,
also
just
to
make
sure
everybody
understands
our
format
here
we
have
the
webinar
format.
B
B
I
also
want
to
just
remind
everybody
that
in
this
zoomlandia
world
that
we
were
all
forced
into
because
of
the
pandemic,
we
have
made
some
modifications.
We've
tried
to
make
it
as
easy
as
possible
for
people
to
communicate
with
counsel.
We
also
have
made
some
modifications
to
how
people
participate
in
public
comment
in
meetings.
B
So,
if
you'll
notice,
when
you
signed
up
there,
is
actually
a
link
that
says
we
dedicate
the
first
hour
of
our
meetings
and
that
we
allow
for
up
to
40
people
to
speak
at
them.
We've
also
provided
a
lot
of
alternate
ways
for
people
to
give
feedback
to
council
we've
been
receiving
a
lot
of
emails.
I
want
to
assure
all
of
you
that
we
read
every
single
email
that
we
get.
B
If
you
don't
get
an
opportunity
to
say
everything
you
wanted
to
say,
council
city
of
ithaca.org
is
an
email
address
that
goes
to
all
of
us
and
you
can
send
written
comments
to
us
as
well.
So
just
make
sure
everybody
is
all
on
the
same
page
about
that.
So
we
just
do
have
a
a
super
quick.
We
need
to
look
at
our
agenda.
Is
there
any
adjustments
that
we
need
to
make
to
the
city
administration
committee
agenda
from
anyone?
B
Okay,
then
we
just
need
to
approve
our
minutes.
Is
there
someone
willing
to
move
the
minutes?
Graham,
is
there
a
second
george?
Thank
you.
So
all
those
in
favor
of
approving
our
minutes-
and
this
will
be
everyone
on
council-
will
vote
so
all
those
in
favor.
I
think
I
see
everyone
okay,
so
we
have
our
minutes
approved
from
the
february
meeting.
So
dan
and
duckson
are
going
to
help
in
public
comment.
There
is
a
timer
that
you
will
see.
That
has
the
two
minutes
and
we
are
going
to
be
using
the
the
remove
feature.
B
There
are
a
couple
of
people
that
have
requested
to
speak
one
after
the
other,
so
we
will
reset
the
timer
to
whatever
two
minutes
times
those
number
of
people
are.
So
I
think
we
are
ready
to
get
started
on
public
comment
this
evening,
so
dan
and
ducks,
and
thank
you
for
helping
us
facilitate
this.
I
will
turn
it
over
to
you.
C
Good
evening
my
name
is
jake
young,
a
member
of
ipd
and
18-year
law
enforcement
officer.
I'm
here
speaking
about
bullet
point,
10
related
to
the
mobile
command
truck.
You
all
have
entrusted
me
and
trained
me
to
be
a
subject
matter:
expert
in
the
area
of
police
response
to
critical
incidents,
a
job
I
take
very
seriously.
C
The
recent
acts
of
hate
and
violence
seen
across
the
country
reminded
me
of
my
duty
to
inform
you
that
our
ability
to
protect
persons
in
the
event
of
a
critical
incident
will
be
severely
diminished.
If
we
give
away
this
asset,
the
unit
allows
for
coordination
of
crisis
negotiators
and
tactical
command,
as
well
as
all
other
emergencies.
C
In
the
last
decade,
the
need
for
the
use
of
mobile
command
has
been
two
to
one
in
the
city
versus
the
county.
Why
would
we
opt
to
move
this
unit
to
lansing,
giving
it
to
a
department
that
does
not
have
staff
that
can
operate
it
24
7.,
an
overlooked
importance
of
the
truck
is
the
storage
of
crisis,
negotiation
equipment,
protective
equipment,
technology
and
other
items
used
at
critical
incidents.
The
design
uses
every
inch
of
space
to
house
and
move
all
equipment
in
an
efficient
manner.
C
C
Using
the
same
set
of
circumstances
in
a
similar
line
of
work
would
be
like
an
ambulance
going
to
a
call
with
medical
personnel
only
but
no
equipment
or
supplies,
then
relying
on
separate
vehicles
to
bring
those
items
to
them
in
hopes
they
can
get
there
in
time
as
most
would
agree.
That
would
be
inefficient
and
ineffective
because
that
ambulance
was
built
to
carry
people
and
the
supplies
that
are
needed
much
the
same
as
the
command
truck.
C
C
What
puts
us
on
a
time
clock
to
meet
the
needs
and
demands
of
the
community,
such
as
repair
youth,
to
redesign
the
exterior,
so
it
better
reflects
the
community
and
what
the
truck
is
designed
for
developing
policies
that
don't
allow
for
storage
of
weapons
just
to
name
a
few
simply
giving
this
asset
away
allows
for
no
meaningful
trust
building.
Let
us
meet
and
exceed
the
expectations
from
the
reform
feedback,
while
keeping
our
readiness
for
public
safety.
Thank.
D
B
E
E
E
E
It
feels
like
concern
for
the
human
element,
for
those
protecting
and
serving
our
community
is
completely
void
and
forgotten.
Many
of
the
concerns
regarding
the
ipd
are
a
direct
result
of
decreased
staffing,
lack
of
proper
funding
and
a
lack
of
overall
support.
Every
societal
ill
is
dumped
at
the
doorstep
of
our
officers.
Yet
a
proposed
solution
is
to
abolish
a
highly
trained
agency.
E
E
When
our
public
officials
fail
to
properly
fund
or
support
their
police
department,
the
result
will
provide
long-lasting,
negative
ripple
effects
throughout
the
community
on
its
residents,
visitors
and
business
owners.
In
closing,
I
am
encouraging
all
of
you
to
reject
the
idea
of
dismantling
the
ipd
and
would
ask
that
you
spend
some
time
with
your
officers,
so
you
have
a
better
understanding
of
how
public
safety
is
delivered
in
the
city
of
ithaca
and
perhaps
consider
your
own
bias
concerning
law
enforcement.
E
F
F
I've
invested
and
personal
interest
in
this
item
and
to
be
clear,
I'm
100
opposed
to
it
first,
while
I
currently
live
just
outside
of
the
city,
I
graduated
from
ithaca
high
school
I've
lived
in
the
city
or
town
of
ithaca
for
most
of
my
adult
life
and
currently
work
in
the
city.
Additionally,
my
partner,
retired
police,
chief,
john
barbour,
and
I
have
several
rental
properties
in
the
city.
Members
of
my
family
live
and
own.
A
business
on
the
west
end
an
area
where
there
have
been
shots,
fired,
stabbings
and
at
least
one
murder.
F
In
the
last
year
alone,
there
have
been
residual
effects
on
my
family,
resulting
from
these
violent
acts
such
as
property
damage
and
fear
of
limiting
their
home
after
certain
hours.
Ipd
could
proactively
police
these
areas
if
they
had
adequate
staffing,
but
they
don't
because
they've
been
defunded
since
2012.
second,
as
responsible
landlords
who
provide
affordable
housing
with
long-term
tenants
in
many
of
our
units,
john
and
I
are
concerned
about
the
uptick
in
violent
crimes
that
have
occurred
in
the
areas
of
our
properties
and
what
that
means
for
our
current
and
future
tenants.
F
Third,
the
ipd
is
a
premier
and
progressive
department.
People
interested
in
becoming
police
officers
used
to
dream
about
working
at
the
ipd
because
of
its
great
reputation.
Now
the
ipd
can
barely
get
anyone
to
take
the
test.
No
one
wants
to
lateral
from
other
agencies,
and
current
officers
are
looking
for
jobs
elsewhere.
This
is
the
direct
result
of
the
lack
of
support
from
city
officials.
F
Lastly,
we
would
like
to
express
our
support
for
keeping
the
ipd
mobile
command
unit,
namely,
it
must
be
mentioned
that
mass
killings
tend
to
happen
in
primary
and
secondary
schools,
colleges
and
universities,
grocery
stores
and
shopping
centers,
all
of
which
ithaca
has.
Why
would
you
eliminate
an
asset
such
as
the
mobile
command
unit
and
team?
Just
seems
contrary
to
me.
The
benefit
far
outweighs
the
cost,
because
you
cannot
put
a
cost
on
human
life
in
closing,
the
city
should
be
overall
proud
of
the
amazing
individuals
who
work
at
the
ipd.
F
A
G
Okay,
good
evening,
I've
spoken
to
you
guys
before
I
spoke
about
number
one.
The
last
time
I
spoke
this
time.
I
would
like
to
speak
to
you
about
the
mental
health
aspect.
I
don't
disagree
that
we
need
to
evaluate
alternative
models
for
crisis
intervention
and
implement
a
system
that
integrates
law
enforcement
with
health
and
human
services.
G
One
issue
with
this
is
that,
outside
of
nine
to
five
monday
through
friday,
the
only
element
dealing
with
these
issues
is
law
enforcement.
For
the
most
part,
we
get
help
from
outreach
workers
at
times
and
the
mobile
crisis
team,
but
these
resources
are
scarce
during
the
day
and
even
more
at
night
and
on
weekends.
G
G
This
is
a
problem
and
it
ends
up
back
in
ipd's
hands
when
there's
no
resources
to
respond.
Just
like
today,
today,
law
enforcement
was
called
to
assist
at
a
living
living
facility,
an
assisted
living
facility
run
by
lakeview
mental
health.
The
staff
is
who
called
us
because
they
were
having
issues
with
a
person
that
was
having
mental
health
problems.
G
G
G
We
are
calling
this
police
reform,
but
this
is
really
social
reform
and
we
are
talking
about
what
we
need
to
reform.
We
need
to
reform
all
social
services
in
divisions,
not
just
the
police
department,
I'm
also
part
of
the
synth
team,
which
also
goes
with
mental
health.
A
lot
of
times
the
synth
team
is
called
out
for
a
mental
health
crisis.
That's
gone
too
far,
dangerous
situation.
G
G
This
is
a
need,
that's
needed
for
the
mental
health
for
the
city
and
they've
written
tenants.
All
systems
need
to
reform,
not
just
this.
I
care
about
this
community.
I
care
about
all
the
people
in
this
community
and
I
will
continue
to
help
everyone
that
I
can
in
this
community.
Sorry
for
the
rush
of
this.
A
H
I
don't
think
anyone
police
officers
included
is
served
by
a
system
where
officers
are
first
responders
to
mental
health.
Crises
have
to
deal
with
directing
traffic
in
ad
hoc
situations
have
to
handle
homelessness
so
on
and
so
forth.
We
simply
ask
too
much
of
them
and
police
officers
themselves
suffer
from
this.
It's
reported
to
the
rps
committee.
H
H
To
me,
this
is
far
more
efficient
and
potentially
effective
when
people
specialize
they
tend
to
do
a
better
job,
it's
better
for
ithacans
across
the
nation.
Avoidable
violence,
particularly
against
those
undergoing
mental
health
crises
or
those
with
black
or
brown
skin,
continues
to
occur.
Even
though
there
are
better
options,
and
it's
also
better
for
for
fighting
crime.
Community
safety
officers
wouldn't
have
to
deal
with
a
bunch
of
other
stuff
on
their
plate.
They
could
focus
on
on
handling
crime,
although
I
I
think
I
agree
that
ipd
is
a
progressive
department.
I
Great
I'm
a
retired
professor
of
sociology
criminology
and
criminal
justice,
I've
taught
for
30
years.
I
was
on
served
on
the
other
community
police
board
years
ago,
and
I
will
just
mention
that
I
found
it
to
be
utterly
toothless,
so
I've
also
taught
in
prison.
So
I
have
I'm
very
interested
in
these
topics.
I
I've
paid
a
lot
of
attention
to
police
reform,
which
is
why
I
did
not
participate
in
this,
because
the
history
of
police
reform
has
been
a
dismal
failure.
That's
why
I
think-
and
you
know
footnotes
I
have
them-
that's
why
I
think
this
thorough
going
process
actually
has
the
best
shot
of
anything.
I've
seen
yet
seems
absolutely
sincere.
The
other
thing
is:
let's
face
it.
The
causes
of
crime
are
where
you
could
put
your
money
and
make
the
largest
effect.
I
That's
what
we
call
upstream
I'd
love
to
see
money
shifted
into
youth
services
and
so
forth,
but
I
think
basically,
this
idea
of
community
solutions,
officers
and
community
safety
officers
could
work.
It's
moving
the
right
direction.
I
particularly
like
the
idea,
of
course,
corrections
and
using
data
to
improve
this
is
a
new
model
and
it
will
need
adjustments,
no
question,
but
it
looks
to
me
like
it
could
actually
work
and
it's
not
going
to
be
the
same
old
policing.
I
One
of
the
things
I
would
say,
that's
crucial
is
the
community
solution.
Officers
must
be
equal
with
the
community
safety
officers.
One
of
the
key
limits
to
reform
has
been
police
culture
and
I
would
also
say
the
whole
problem
of
personnel
files
eliminates
transparency.
I
saw
that
on
the
community
police
board,
you
need
the
public's
trust
or
you'll
never
even
be
able
to
solve
crimes.
It's
the
community
who
reports
and
gives
evidence.
K
Good
evening,
everyone
thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
for
those
who
don't
know
me.
I'm
alex
pape.
I've
lived
in
the
ithaca
area
and
surrounding
areas
for
most
of
my
life,
I've
been
a
police
officer
with
for
16
years
and
14
of
which,
with
ipd
for
the
sake
of
time,
I'm
just
going
to
jump
into
it
in
regards
to
dismantling
ipd
and
rebuilding
a
new
police
department.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
dismantle
the
current
ithaca
police
department
and
its
officers
that
have
been
described
by
many,
including
the
mayor
as
exemplary.
K
I
know
that
the
mayor
said
that
the
officers
wouldn't
have
to
would
be
able
to
keep
their
jobs
wouldn't
need
to
reapply
would
remain
another
current
contract
until
new
contract
is
negotiated,
but
that
isn't
written
that
way
in
his
resolution,
leaving
too
much
room
for
him
to
go
against
what
he
said.
Currently
ipd
has
an
excellent
working
relationship
with
several
human
service
agencies
in
ithaca
community
outreach
program,
toms
county
mental
health,
thomas
comey,
dss,
to
name
a
few.
K
These
programs
could
be
expanded
upon,
as
well
as
increased
collaboration
and
joint
training
with
these
agencies
in
ipd,
so
we
can
provide
a
better
service
to
the
community
together.
I
believe
that
a
new
police
department
of
unarmed
and
armed
response
could
create
further
division
between
the
community
and
ipd,
limiting
interaction
of
armed
response
and
community
violence
to
communi
to
violence
in
use
of
force
situations.
K
K
This
is
something
that's
been
drastically
reduced
over
the
years
as
officers
have
been
cut
from
ipd's
budget
there's
many
other
reform
ideas
that
are
already
being
implemented
and
could
be
accomplished
with
the
inclusion
of
the
current
ethical
police
department,
and
I
urge
the
economy
council
to
remove
point
one
from
the
original
reimagining
public
safety
draft.
Thank
you.
L
L
But,
quite
honestly,
I
don't
have
confidence
that
his
intent
is
genuine
with
the
potential
job
title
change,
job
description,
change,
name
on
the
building
change.
I
don't
have
confidence
that
the
mayor
actually
knows
the
answer
to
the
civil
service
concern.
I've
run
this
past
the
new
york
state
civil
service
office
and
the
retirement
office.
The
answer
is
the
same
in
both
places,
which
is
we'll
just
have
to
wait
and
see.
Well,
we'll
just
have
to
wait
and
see
it's
not
good
enough.
L
L
M
Thank
you.
My
name
is
julie
dahm
and
I
work
as
a
housing
inspector
for
the
city
of
ithaca.
Thank
you
for
this
opportunity
to
state
my
support
for
the
reimagining
public
safety
plan.
While
I
lack
experience
in
law
enforcement,
my
work
as
a
housing
code
enforcement
official
provides
me
with
some
understanding
of
a
shared
goal
for
safety.
M
M
As
a
member
of
the
local
community,
I
feel
safer.
Knowing
there
will
be
unarmed
officers
trained
to
be
supportive
in
times
of
mental
and
domestic
crises,
and
that
the
departmental
focus
will
be
with
an
emphasis
on
compassionate
response
when
everyone
gets
the
help
they
need
when
they
need
it,
and
when
no
one
is
afraid
to
call
for
help,
we
all
are
safer.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
A
N
N
I
came
to
the
city
as
a
lateral
transfer
withdrawn
by
the
level
of
excellence
that
I
experienced
when
attending
a
reality-based
training
course
for
instructors.
This
was
a
course
led
and
developed
by
the
city
of
ithaca
police
training
team.
This
reality-based
training
has
been
since
been
adopted
by
all
of
new
york
state.
This
type
of
training
for
officers
and
civilians
allows
for
real
life
situations,
some
of
them
life
and
death
to
be
played
out
in
the
classroom
so
that
choices
in
real
life
can
be
made
quicker
and
more
safe
for
all
further.
N
N
Our
officers
up
to
this
point
have
stayed
out
of
choice.
We
are
all
highly
marketable
professionals
who
are
now
being
welcomed
by
agencies
all
over
the
state.
Without
serious
changes
to
proposal
number
one,
the
city
of
ithaca
will
lose
so
many
well-trained
officers,
which
will
most
likely
happen
rather
quickly.
N
This
will
leave
the
city
vulnerable,
to
say
the
least,
as
the
sheer
amount
of
time
that
it
takes
to
hire
one
qualified
lateral
takes
almost
a
year
in
a
new
hire
almost
twice
that
our
narrative
has
stayed
firm.
We
accept
change
and
are
open
to
it
as
long
as
it
aids
in
the
safety
and
well-being
of
the
citizens
that
we
are
sworn
to
protect
and
the
well-being
of
our
officers
without
a
sound
public
statement
in
the
form
of
a
contract
that
our
career
path
here
is
sound.
I
feel
that
officers
will
be.
N
O
O
O
Safety
depends
on
knowing
what
contributes
to
safety
and
what
breeds
harm,
though
no
fault
of
their
own.
It
is
clear
that
police
do
not
make
a
community
safe
safety
is
about
circumstances,
circumstances
rule
the
day.
Public
safety
is
about
community
cohesion,
addressing
the
needs
of
a
community
at
all
at
all
levels,
while
working
to
eliminate
the
need
and
the
opportunity
to
cause
harm.
O
O
This
plan
is
not
perfect,
but
it
is
a
start
for
people
who
are
engaged
and
who
want
to
do
the
work
of
being
a
community,
as
opposed
to
pretending
that
we
are
self-sufficient,
blinding
ourselves
to
the
excessive
demands
and
indignities
our
present
day.
Social
order
visit
on
many
people
will
not
promote
safety
and
safety
is
a
pretty
low
bar.
I
think
we
can
do
better.
O
O
A
P
They
would
retain
their
civil
service
status
authority
and
benefits
of
the
title
police
officer.
End
quote:
let's
break
this
down
to
understand
it
at
the
start
of
this
section,
it
says
they
intend
that
we
would
not
have
to
reapply
for
jobs.
Intent
is
not
a
guarantee
in
any
way.
Nowhere
in
the
resolution
does
it
guarantee
that
our
jobs
are
secure.
P
Furthermore,
the
resolution
states
that
this
new
title
of
armed
public
safety
worker
would
retain
our
full
police
authority
and
civil
service
status.
Unfortunately,
this
statement
is
meaningless
because
the
mayor
does
not
have
the
power
to
do
this.
It
would
be
completely
in
the
hands
of
new
york
state
civil
service
to
make
a
decision
on
how
the
state
would
treat
an
armed
public
safety
worker,
not
called
a
police
officer.
The
title
change
will
also
compromise
our
status
in
the
police
and
fire
retirement
system.
P
Since
that
retirement
system
is
specifically
limited
to
police
officers
in
the
police
department,
we
would
have
all
of
our
police
powers
our
retirement,
our
civil
service
status.
Then
why
the
verbal
gymnastics
to
call
something
else?
Why
not
just
call
the
police,
the
police
to
help
remedy
the
situation
and
in
good
faith,
we've
been
working
with
common
council
members
and
our
legal
counsel
to
create
suggested
changes
to
the
resolution
and
sent
these
changes
to
common
council.
P
Today,
we've
incorporated
input
from
the
union
body
and
our
legal
counsel
to
address
our
concerns
with
some
of
the
language,
and
we've
also
incorporated
some
of
the
great
ideas
from
common
council
on
the
proposal
itself,
in
an
attempt
to
find
a
good
balance
that
we
feel
would
help
meet
the
needs
of
the
community
and
not
jeopardize
our
job
security,
retirement,
labor
representation
and
public
safety.
I
believe
we
can
come
together
and
make
positive
change,
and
I
urge
council
to
strongly
consider
what
we
put
forth
today.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
P
Q
Hey
good
evening,
my
name
is
matt
skevl,
I'm
a
lifelong
resident
of
tompkins
county,
a
graduate
of
this
community.
I've
worked
throughout
this
community.
I
own
businesses,
properties
and
real
estate
throughout
thompson's
county,
my
wife's
also
a
local
business
owner.
I
have
three
children
who
attend
school
locally
and
most
notably,
I've
worked
my
12-year
career
in
this
county
as
a
police
officer
both
in
the
villages
but
majority
of
my
career
at
the
top
kids
county
sheriff's
office.
Q
I'm
here
to
speak
to
you,
based
upon
the
current
proposal,
primarily
focus
on
the
need
to
remove
the
command
center
vehicle
from
the
teams.
My
title
also
that
I
work
as
a
scent
commander.
The
crisis
negotiation
team
is
one
arm
of
the
swat
team.
I've
continued
to
hear
talk
and
discussion
about
the
swat
team
words
like
demilitarization
de-weaponization
of
the
swat
team,
I'm
hearing
a
little
discussion
about
the
other
half
of
the
team
that
makes
that
up,
which
is
the
synth
team.
Q
The
centum
is
made
up
of
officers
in
our
community
highly
trained
in
mental
health
and
de-escalation
techniques.
I
urge
the
community
to
reject
some
of
this
proposal,
also
to
get
behind
more
training
for
officers
which,
none
of
which
has
been
rejected
to
my
knowledge
of
police
officers.
One
example
of
this
was
a
response
this
past
year,
up
to
west
village
on
a
gun
call
where
a
gentleman
threatened
the
community
up
there
and
under
that
incident
our
scent
and
swat
team
had
to
be
respond.
Q
Our
equipment
is
also
stored
upon
that
vehicle,
and
I'd
also
like
to
mention
throughout
my
career
as
a
deputy
sheriff,
I've
had
numerous
opportunities
to
respond
to
back
up
the
officers
of
the
ithaca
police
department,
particularly
most
notable
at
west
village,
which
our
our
goals
always
serve
the
community
and
protect
them,
no
matter
what
the
cost
may
be.
Thank
you.
Man
thanks.
R
Hey
thanks
dan,
my
name
is
asha
saneker
and
I'm
a
long-term
resident
of
the
city
of
ithaca
between
march
16th
and
march
22nd,
there
were
seven
mass
shootings
across
america.
Why
bring
this
up
in
the
midst
of
a
discussion
about
reimagining
public
safety
here
in
ithaca,
because,
as
evidenced
by
the
false
rhetoric
at
a
back,
the
blue
rally
recently
on
the
ithaca
commons
about
a
crime
epidemic
in
ithaca
and
the
burning
of
blm
and
antifa
flags?
R
It
is
no
surprise
that
mass
shooters
in
this
country
are
white
men,
that
the
people
who
gathered
on
the
commons
to
stoke
fear
and
oppose
this
plan
by
burning
symbols
of
social
justice
movements
were
predominantly
white
men
or
that
police
officers
are
in
the
majority
white
men,
while
the
majority
of
people
killed
by
police
officers
are
black
and
brown.
All
of
these
facts
are
a
symptom
of
the
system
of
white
supremacy.
R
R
Modern
policing
was
born
out
of
that
system
and
must
be
completely
re-envisioned
if
we
want
to
detach
it
from
his
historic
and
current
role
in
maintaining
white
supremacy.
This
plan
alone
will
not
eliminate
white
supremacy,
but
we
must
begin
somewhere.
Yes,
the
interlocking
systems
of
policing
and
crisis
services
touch
the
lives
of
every
member
of
our
community
in
one
way
or
another
beginning
with
these
systems
will
have
the
most
immediate
transformative
effect
on
people's
lives
and
on
the
integrity
of
our
community,
which
makes
them
the
right
place
to
begin.
R
I
believe
the
proposed
plan
does
not
go
far
enough,
but
it
is
a
strong
beginning.
By
committing
to
the
plan,
you
will
be
opening
the
door
to
the
possibility
of
real
transformation.
You
will
be
signaling
the
end
of
vowing
to
fear
of
change
of
the
reapportioning
of
power
of
each
other.
You
will
be
saying
no
to
white
supremacy
as
the
operating
system
for
our
community
and.
S
T
Good
evening,
first,
I'd
like
to
thank
the
city
government
of
ithaca
for
allowing
me
to
speak
at
this
forum.
I
only
have
two
minutes,
so
forgive
me
for
reading.
My
name
is
dennis
cavanaugh.
I
am
a
recently
retired
police
officer
from
eastern
long
island.
I'm
not
going
to
utilize
this
short
time
to
speak
about
how
important
police
are
to
their
respective
communities.
I
believe
many
of
those
of
that
topic
has
been
exhausted.
T
However,
I
will
ask
you
to
listen
to
me,
not
as
a
retired
police
officer,
but
as
a
parent
of
a
19
year
old
son,
who
presently
is
a
student
at
ithaca
college.
During
this
election
process,
my
son
looked
at
schools
throughout
the
country
and
was
accepted
by
many
of
them,
but
in
the
end
he
had
asked
us
if
he
could
attend
ithaca
for
his
undergraduate
studies.
T
Studies
in
doing
so,
the
police
officer
and
me
did
a
small
investigation
of
safety
of
this
city,
and
the
results
were
very
pleasing
to
his
mom,
and
I,
the
city
of
ithaca,
was
one
of
the
top
cities
in
new
york
to
raise
your
family
and
if
it
wasn't
that
case,
to
tend
someone
to
find
a
college
institutions
as
of
cornell
and
ithaca,
there
are
the
area
known
as
ithaca.
Commons
is
a
place
where
these
students
can
get
together
in
social
settings
or
do
most
of
their
personal
activities
and
shopping,
etc.
T
In
the
evening
times,
many
of
the
restaurants
are
bustling
with
patrons,
and
safety
was
never
a
concern
for
the
parents
of
these
students.
Why?
Because
the
ithaca
police
department
is
always
there
on
constant
patrol
and
have
some
of
the
fastest
response
times
in
the
state
in
the
summer
of
2020,
the
country
had
a
change
with
an
unfortunate
episode
in
minneapolis
minnesota
over
a
thousand
miles
away.
This
incident
changed
not
only
not
only
the
country
but
policing
in
the
united
states
in
general,
police
reform
became
paramount
issuer
to
all
departments.
T
Reform
programs
were
made
official
by
governor
of
new
york,
who
said
that
all
departments
would
need
to
submit
a
plan
on
how
their
department
can
make
some
type
of
reform,
whether
it
be
civilian
review
boards,
etc.
Reform
is
the
common
denominator.
I
agree,
departments
all
need
some
type
of
reform.
It
comes
with
the
territory.
Most
departments
look
forward
to
implementing
different
types
of
policies
to
their
members
because
it
makes
it
work
better
with
the
community.
In
closing,
I
know
the
incident
minneapolis
heard
a
lot
of
citizens,
but
it
hurt
a
lot
of
police
officers
too.
T
U
A
Oh
no
you're
right,
I'm
sorry!
I
I
all
that
talking
and
it
didn't
help
all
right.
So
I'll
start
again
so
clark
mccomb
is
next.
After
clark
is
supposed
to
be
stephen
thompson,
I
don't
see
stephen
in
the
waiting
room.
So
if
I
don't
find
stephen
it'll,
be
karen
eric,
patricia
and
laura
as
a
group
go
ahead.
A
W
Am
I
I'm
on,
I
guess
my
name
is
clark
mccomb,
I'm
from
the
east
end
of
long
island.
We
have
a
farm
here.
I
have
a
son
who
is
a
junior
at
cornell,
an
environmental
engineering
major
and
when
I've
I
you
know,
I
get
news
from
cornell
all
the
time
and
when
I
heard
about
this
proposal
I
just
I
really
couldn't
believe
it.
It's
just
one
of
those
things
that
you
know.
We've
heard
all
of
the
news
of
what's
happened
in
in
out
in
minneapolis
and
seattle,
portland
and
so
on
and
anyway.
W
I'm
concerned
about
feeling
safe
when
we
visit
cornell
and
visit
ithaca.
We've
had
a
great
time
up
there
pre-covert
when
we
go
down
to
the
commons
or
the
farmer's
market,
and
I
think
no
matter
where
you
are.
You
want
an
active
police
presence,
a
cop
on
the
beat
and
you
feel
safe,
and
I
have
a
son
and
a
daughter
twins
who
are
17
juniors
in
high
school
now
and
and
sort
of
repeating
the
same
thing
of
what
the
previous
speaker
said.
W
We're
concerned
about
where
they're
going
to
go
to
school
and
if
you
think
about
new
york
city
now
my
daughter
was
thinking
about
applying
to
barnard.
Well,
there
was
a
freshman
killed
there,
I
think
about
a
year
ago,
nyu
the
city
is
really
deteriorated
and
we're-
and
you
know
those
cities
that
I
mentioned
earlier
would
be
quite
I
wouldn't
want
them
to
to
go
there
or
or
visit
there.
W
A
X
Mayor
myrick,
common
council,
tompkins
county
legislature,
administer
molino
you'll
receive
the
copy
of
this
letter
on
march
16th.
In
response
to
your
call
for
public
comment
before
ratifying
and
submitting
the
public
safety
reimagine
plan
by
april
1st,
we
community
leaders
of
color,
known
as
clock,
wish
to
express
our
support
for
the
report
and
the
draft
recommendations.
X
More
importantly,
we
view
it
as
the
last
chance
to
transform
the
structure,
relationship,
design
and
capacities
of
our
public
safety
resources
and
critical
human
services
to
build
community
trust
and
truly
serve
and
protect
all
our
people
in
an
integrated
and
principled
way.
These
recommendations
must
be
developed
to
produce
substantive
systemic
change,
including
in
policies,
procedures,
staffing,
culture
and
accountability.
X
We
think
it
is
important
to
recognize
the
considerable
planning
time
and
effort
that
resulted
in
convening
15,
separate
focus
groups
with
vulnerable
populations
in
our
community,
whose
encounters
with
law
enforcement
are
relevant
and
compelling
evidence
of
the
need
for
structural
and
cultural
change.
The
facilitation
was
unbiased,
the
questions
asked
were
relevant
and
they
allowed
for
frank
answers
about
some
very
troubling
interactions
that
have
been
made
by
local
law
enforcement.
We
are
aware
of
eight
focus
groups
of
law
enforcement
leaders,
unions
and
officers.
Y
We
can't
overstate
how
important
it
is
to
respect
the
courage
and
willingness
it
took
for
people
who
have
felt
mistreated
and
disrespected
to
share
their
experiences
with
the
facilitators,
despite
their
skepticism,
that
they
would
not
be
taken
seriously
and
that
you
wouldn't
institute
the
substandard
changes.
We
need
the
city
and
county
called
for
the
inclusion
of
the
voices
and
perspectives
of
people
who
have
high
incidences
of
interaction
with
police.
Y
What
folks
have
described
as
unpleasant,
unhelpful
and
disrespectful
encounters
and
who
are
extremely
reluctant
to
call
police
when
needed,
fearing
that
the
police
may
make
things
worse?
The
fact
that
these
voices
and
experiences
have
not
been
heard
effectively
for
so
long
contributes
to
the
crux
behind
the
executive
order
and
that's
a
real
shame
as
you
pay
attention
to
the
qualitative
data
in
your
hands,
we're
confident
that
you've
recognized
that
there
are
many
many
people
who
are
extremely
uncomfortable
with
police
and
view
the
police
as
hunters
and
themselves
as
prey.
Y
That's
a
horrible
situation
and
a
problem
for
all
of
us.
No
wonder
people
recommended
expanding
mental
health
resources
for
police
and
civilians
alike.
This
environment
is
the
antithesis
of
public
safety,
while
the
recommendations
call
for
innovative
and
somewhat
uncharted
territory,
they
have
the
potential
to
make
life
better
for
all
of
us
and
humanize
our
mutual
relationships,
despite
what
people
may
think
or
have
heard
most
people
who
engage
in
this
process
did
not
call
for
completely
abolishing
policing
function
or
completely
defunding
public
safety.
X
But
many
of
us
also
see
the
need
for
some
number
of
trained
professionals
to
function
as
guardians
and
protectors
of
the
community
when
people
attempt
to
do
harm
to
themselves
and
others
or
violate
people's
right
to
be
safe,
peaceful
communities,
we
do
not
think
we
can
reliably
patrol
our
neighborhoods
or
intervene
in
break-ins
or
assaults.
We
are
not
advocating
that
civilians
take
on
all
that.
That
said,
please
refrain
from
privilege
in
the
voices
of
the
be
pba
as
though
they
were
excluded
from
participation
in
this
process.
X
X
They
seem
to
be
well
organized
to
influence
your
decision
making
to
dismiss
the
voices
of
the
people
who
pay
their
salaries
and
are
their
customers.
The
process
did
include
law
enforcement,
but
other
perspectives
were
involved
as
well.
We
need
superbly
trained
competent,
compassionate
people
who
are
skilled
in
law
as
well
clock
members
know
and
appreciate
police
officers
who
know
and
help
the
community.
The
pba
is
not
the
only
voice
that
matters.
Z
We
want
a
community-based
public
safety
commission
with
the
authority
to
investigate
complaints
of
misconduct
and
to
influence
consequences
and
discipline.
The
community
outreach
that
police
do
is
important
and
appreciated,
and
we
need
law
enforcement
to
also
understand
that
outreach
work
alone
has
not
fixed
the
lack
of
community
trust
and
dehumanizing
treatment
reflected
in
the
focus
groups.
Z
So
I'm
going
to
skip
forward
on
our
letter
between
the
most
polarized
positions.
Our
position
supports
the
recommendations
as
a
reasonable
way
forward.
Doing
nothing
is
not
an
option.
Sometimes
perfection
is
the
enemy
of
the
good
and
to
do
nothing
because
the
plan
doesn't
handle
everything
seems
misguided.
Vulnerable
people
took
a
risk
to
share
their
stories.
If
common
council
diminishes
and
rejects
the
recommendations,
you'll
send
a
strong
message
to
the
people.
This
executive
order
was
intended
to
help
that
you
don't
value
us
on
which
side
of
history
do
you
want
to
stand?
Z
You
have
an
opportunity
to
do
something:
that's
controversial,
but
consequential
ethical
and
groundbreaking
as
local
laws.
He
was,
and
as
visionary
and
crucial
as
the
ithaca
green
new
deal
is,
it
may
seem
revolutionary,
but
it's
a
chance
to
transform
the
relationship
between
the
public
and
law
enforcement,
so
it's
no
longer
polluted
by
mutual
fear,
mistrust
and
contempt,
sincerely
the
community
leaders
of
color.
A
AA
AA
I'm
here,
because
I
rely
on
the
city
police.
I
respect
the
city
police
and
I
realize
that
I
need
the
city
police.
I've
called
them,
I
won't
say
countless
times.
I've
called
them
many
times
and
I
I
respect
everything
that
they've
done
when
they've
come,
but
more
often
than
not,
they
haven't
been
the
right
people
for
the
job
I
came
to.
I
had
someone
come
to
our
house.
AA
AA
A
AB
D
Good
evening
everybody,
I
am
a
consultant
I'll
say
that
right
off
the
bat
I
have
worked
with
a
number
of
cities
in
terms
of
dealing
with
public
safety
issues
and
lots
of
community
engagement.
I
spent
a
year
and
a
half
in
ferguson,
working
with
the
community
and
building
the
trust
and
cooperation
that
it
takes
to
make
communities
safer.
So
one
of
the
thoughts
I
had
is
that
I
think
it
if
you're
trying
to
make
this
great
a
scale
of
change.
AD
D
Community
safer
to
build
respect
for
the
police
and
for
the
community,
and
then
how
do
we
do
that
and
who
should
do
it
and
it's
not
just
all
government?
So
what
we've
done
in
other
cities
is:
we've
done,
big
mobilization,
richmond
virginia's,
a
majority
minority
city
about
800
people
showed
up
for
the
mobilization
and
what
the
process
does
is
gets
people
involved
in
many
ways
there
are
some
people
can't
sit
on
committees.
D
I've
watched
them,
listen
to
each
other,
because
really
in
the
end,
we
want
all
the
same
things
we
want
neighborhoods
to
be
safe.
We
want
people
to
treat
it
with
respect,
both
the
police
and
the
community.
So
really
what
it
is
is
I've
got
a
handbook
that
we
put
together
from
the
experience
of
the
five
cities,
and
I
think,
if
it's
something
that
would
pull
together.
So
many
of
the
great
issues
that
were
talked
about
I
mean
camille
was
talking
about
how
the
system
operates.
E
AE
D
AE
A
AC
Hello,
my
name
is
ben
adam
kleimer
and
I'm
also,
ironically,
a
consultant.
I
worked
for
the
cahoots
team
in
eugene
and
springfield
oregon
for
five
years
and
I
now
run
crisis
consulting,
which
is
a
my
agency
that
helps
cities
develop
mobile
crisis
teams.
Based
on
that
model,
I
reviewed
the
draft
proposal
and
the
police
year-end
report
to
get
a
sense
of
what
the
cahoots
model
is.
It's
a
first
responder
system
where
they
send
out
a
light
unlicensed
crisis
counselor
with
an
emt
to
an
array
of
different
calls
from
welfare
checks
to
mental
health.
AC
AC
AF
AC
A
AG
AG
If
we're
not
willing
to
stand
up
in
support
of
this
change,
then
who
will
I'm
in
support
of
the
proposal
as
many
parts
that
I
believe
are
invaluable?
I
think
restructuring
of
the
department
is
essential
to
create
a
system
that
works
for
everyone.
We
should
redesign
the
police
department
to
include
unarmed
first
responders
to
help
members
of
the
community
in
crisis.
AG
This
will
allow
a
better
connection
between
community
members
in
need
and
the
services
that
they
are
available
to
them
by
diverting
them
from
the
justice
system
into
services.
They
need
we'll
be
able
to
support
marginalized
populations
more
effectively.
We
will
still
have
armed
uniformed
first
responders,
but
we
don't
need
armed
officers
responding
to
all
dispatch
calls.
Everyone
seems
to
agree
on
this,
so
why
should
we
not
have
a
structure
that
cares
for
the
spectrum
of
human
existence
but
responds
accordingly?
AG
I've
been
fortunate
to
be
living
in
ithaca
for
almost
10
years,
and
I
felt
lucky
to
be
a
part
of
a
progressive,
forward-thinking
community.
This
policy
reform
is
what
we
need
to
do.
We
need
to
act
now.
I
strongly
encourage
member
of
councils
to
vote
in
favor
of
this
proposal
so
that
we
can
bring
the
long
and
challenging
but
greatly
needed,
process
of
making
real
change
in
our
community.
Thank
you.
A
AH
AH
AH
Those
without
my
advantages
pay
for
our
mistakes
every
day,
and
I
will
not
be
silent
in
the
face
of
that.
I
grew
up
in
ohio.
My
father
was
a
county
prosecutor
for
much
of
my
life,
so
I
grew
up
knowing
prosecutors,
judges,
police
officers,
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
mission
of
law
enforcement
of
the
people
who
work
in
the
field,
but
I'm
also
conscious
of
the
history
of
an
ever
expanding
set
of
responsibilities
and
ever
increasing
militarization
of
the
of
police
forces.
AH
I've
been
present
for
many
conversations
where
law
enforcement
professionals
lament
being
given
responsibility
for
community
mental
health
relationship,
counseling
support
for
the
homeless,
truancy,
monitoring
and
many
other
tasks
for
which
they
lack,
training
and
tools.
I've
heard
officers
discuss
the
loss
of
trust
and
respect
and
how
that
loss
makes
safe
and
effective
policing
more
difficult.
AH
AI
Thank
you.
I'm
glad
that
ithaca
is
moving
forward
with
this
plan,
I'm
a
white
person
who
has
never
been
in
any
kind
of
legal
trouble.
I
grew
up
right
here
respecting
police
officers.
When
the
black
lives
matter
movement
began
in
2013,
I
became
aware
of
how
deeply
unjust
policing
outcomes
are
for
people
of
color.
I
learned
how
the
complex
interplay
between
structural
racism
and
policing
leads
to
a
cascading
series
of
poor
decisions
based
on
fear
or
suspicion
that
have
their
roots
deep
in
racist
stereotypes,
though
often
unconscious,
and
yet
have
tragic,
real
world
consequences.
AI
I've
strongly
supported
the
blm
movement
since
its
beginning.
The
presence
of
armed
officers
at
enormous
numbers
of
low
stakes,
non-emergency
interactions
with
people
of
color,
is
given
what
we
know
about
the
outcomes
deeply
irresponsible.
It
would
simply
be
wrong
to
continue
that
way.
More
recently,
as
calls
for
public
safety
reform
have
become
more
urgent.
I've
begun
to
reflect
on
my
own
limited
interactions
with
the
police.
The
truth
is
that
even
I
have
felt
unsettled
and
unsafe
from
police
officers
blocking
off
a
road
after
an
accident
to
road
safety.
AI
Checkpoints
to
public
safety
at
large
events
officers
have
projected
an
attitude
that
I
think
is
supposed
to
be
authoritative
but
which
comes
across
as
suspicious
and
even
contemptuous.
The
time
I
got
pulled
over
for
driving
nine
miles
an
hour
over
the
speed
limit.
The
officer
chose
to
intimidate
and
belittle
me
with
sarcasm
and
tell
me
I
was
making
a
stupid
mistake
that
might
cost
me
hundreds
rather
than
appealing
to
my
interest
in
community
safety.
AI
The
way
they
spoke
to
me
indicated
that
they
didn't
trust
me
to
do
the
right
thing
or
even
to
want
to,
but
I
want
to
do
the
right
thing.
I
don't
need
to
be
scared
into
compliance,
and
I
bet
you
don't
either
the
model
of
public
safety,
and
indeed
the
model
of
leadership
that's
currently
practiced
by
police
involves
a
show
of
authority.
It
involves
distrust
and
intimidation.
AI
This
is
a
model
that
we
can
and
should
reject
leadership
based
on
connection
assumption
of
goodwill
and
cooperative
problem-solving
is
not
only
more
effective
but
dramatically
less
stressful
for
everyone,
including
the
officers.
We
desperately
need
a
public
safety
system
in
which
public
safety
personnel
are
unarmed
in
non-emergencies
and
police
are
empowered
and
expected
to
lead
by
methods
other
than
intimidation.
AJ
AJ
AJ
AJ
I
watched,
read
and
participated
in
at
least
10
of
the
zoom
events,
and
I
wrote
a
long
comment
to
you
about
the
process.
As
I
watched
it,
I
heard
people
objecting
to
the
lack
of
access,
even
while
they
were
participating,
and
I
saw
the
genuine
and
honest
desire
to
hear
from
people
who
were
reluctant
to
trust
another
reform
effort.
The
last
town
hall
meeting
led
by
leaders
of
color,
was
especially
valuable
to
me.
AJ
I
understand
those
who
are
angry
at
the
sudden
emergence
of
recommendations
they
did
not
see
coming.
I
too
wish
that
data
had
been
shared
and
there
had
been
community
discussion
before
recommendations
were
drawn
up.
However,
I
urge
you
not
to
use
this
unfortunate
timing
of
events
or
less
than
perfect
process
as
reasons
to
reject
important
and
worthwhile
ideas.
AJ
A
Yeah,
so
next
is
amanda
conklin
and
after
amanda
will
be
andra
johnson,
and
I
just
want
to
give
a
quick
check
in
there
were
four
people
so
far
who
had
signed
up,
who
were
not
there.
So
since
we
told
people
who
were
sort
of
on
standby
that
we
might
get
a
little
bit
past
the
40
people
who
had
originally
signed
up
at
this
point,
we
may
get
about
four
people
into
the
the
standby
list.
If
anybody
is
waiting
to
see
if
you
will
have
a
chance
to
deliver
your
comments,
so
go
ahead.
A
AK
So
I
know
what
it
means
to
sacrifice
your
own
safety
for
the
betterment
of
the
community,
and
I
understand
the
difficult
position
that
our
officers
are
in
and
I
have
the
utmost
respect
for
them.
But
I
support
reimagining
public
safety
in
the
city.
I
think
the
plan
is
brave
and
it's
visionary
and
I
think
we
have
an
opportunity
to
set
an
example
for
the
whole
country
for
how
police
can
work
in
a
community
in
the
emergency
department.
AK
Someone
has
to
de-escalate
the
tensions
between
the
police
and
the
community,
and
I
think
it
needs
to
be
the
police
who
change
the
dynamic
and
not
the
community
and
not
the
vulnerable
members
of
the
community
who
are
already
struggling,
and
I
think,
in
order
to
do
this,
you
know
we
have
to
be
brave
enough
to
take
big
steps
and
and
make
big
changes
and
and
take
a
leap.
And
so
I
just
wanted
to
come
here
and
express
my
support
and
thank
you
very
much.
A
AL
You
hear
me
no,
oh
yes,
my
name
is
andre
johnson,
I'm
the
executive
vice
president
of
cny
coalition
of
black
trade
unionists,
I'm
calling
or
assisting
speaking
in
regards
to
this
matter
on
the
dismantling
of
the
city
of
the
ithaca
police
department.
I'm
a
ithaca
resident
former
resident
graduated
class
of
87
at
ithaca
high
school.
AL
I
hear
a
lot
of
talk
in
regards
to
the
union
aspects
of
this
agenda
that
the
mayor
has
which
ultimately
comes
down
to
union
busting.
On
top
of
that,
I
haven't
heard
anyone
mention
in
regards
to
the
added
burdens
on
the
911
call
operators
who
are
now
going
to
have
to
try
to
decipher
if
a
armed
personnel
or
a
unarmed
personnel
has
to
arrive
at
this
situation.
AL
AM
Hello,
thank
you
for
hearing
me.
You
can
hear
me
right.
Yes,
we
can.
Okay,
my
name
is
harmony:
barker
weir,
I'm
a
long-term
resident
of
tompkins
county
and
I
work
in
the
city
of
ithaca
cornell
university.
I
wanted
to
speak
today
because
this
is
such
an
important
topic
for
all
of
us.
I
feel
that
the
current
law
enforcement
system
in
this
country
is
broken.
AM
2020
was
an
eye-opening
year
when
this
dialogue
was
started
loudly
enough
that
every
one
of
us
was
forced
to
listen
and
what
that
meant.
For
many
of
us
people,
like
me,
white,
relatively
sheltered
and
lucky
in
my
privilege,
were
forced
to
face
the
systemic
racism
threaded
through
every
level
of
our
society.
AM
I
am
very
happy
that
so
many
communities
have
been
making
positive
steps
to
make
amends
and
fix
a
broken
system.
I
am
proud
that
ithaca
has
stepped
up
to
be
one
of
the
forerunners
in
this.
I
am
in
full
support
of
the
city
of
ithaca
and
tompkins
county
adopting
the
reimagining
reimagining
public
safety
plan.
AM
A
AN
AN
We
need
a
civilian
leader
in
charge
of
rebooting,
the
culture
of
policing
and
public
safety,
and
we
need
the
proposed
rebranding
of
the
department.
While
some
have
called
the
proposed
reform
package
radical,
it
seems
to
me
to
be
a
very
mild
first
step
in
addressing
the
systemic
problems
in
policing
that
we
have
direct
control
over
city.
Leadership
must
take
bold
steps
to
set
a
new
tone
and
to
build
a
new
culture
among
officers
that
we
employ
with
our
tax
dollars.
AN
We
know
that
the
mindset
of
a
war
on
cops
and
that
the
world
is
more
dangerous
than
ever
is
simply
not
based
in
reality,
addressing
an
organizational
culture
that
pits
police
with
a
warrior
mindset
against
communities
they're
supposed
to
serve
must
start
at
the
top.
It
must
come
from
council
and
it
must
permeate
the
top
ranks
of
public
leadership.
AN
A
new
mindset
should
be
the
driving
force
in
shaping
officer,
training
and
evaluation
for
promotion.
I
encourage
council
to
take
the
small
steps
outlined
in
the
reimagining
public
safety
package
and
to
evaluate
what
else
needs
to
be
done
from
there.
We
need
officers
to
live
in
our
neighborhoods.
We
need
to
end
no
knock
warrant
serving.
We
need
to
update
policies
that
put
community
members
and
police
at
risk.
We
need
to
end
the
culture
of
fear
among
police
that
results
in
excessive
and
unnecessary
use
of
force.
AN
A
Thank
you
david,
so
louise
erskine
is
next
and
after
louise
it
looks
like
I
think
we're
people
are
starting
to
drop
out
here.
So
it
looks
like
we're
up
to
nevin
and
we
have
had
a
number
of
people
drop
out.
So
it
looks
like
maybe
the
remaining
people
in
the
waiting
room
will
have
a
chance
to
speak
to
louise.
J
Good
evening,
mayor
and
counselors,
I
would
like
to
add
my
voice
in
support
of
the
proposed
community
safety
recommendations.
I
hope
that
the
forthcoming
votes
on
community
safety
have
the
people
of
ithaca
in
mind.
You
have
heard
from
black
brown,
indigenous
and
trans
people
and
women
telling
their
story.
J
You
have
heard
important
stories
telling
a
story
filled
with
pain
is
like
picking
at
a
wound
and
we
are
willing
to
bear
those
wounds
if
it
means
true
healing
will
come,
but
that
healing
will
only
happen
if
council
passes
reforms.
I've
shared
my
very
personal
experience
with
harassment
in
ithaca
through
an
email
to
the
mayor
and
counselors.
J
J
J
AD
AO
Hi,
can
you
hear
me?
Okay
great.
I
think
it's
very
important
to
understand
that
we're
all
working
towards
justice.
That's
we.
We
should
all
have
the
same
goal,
and
because
of
that,
I
think
we
should
really
be
focused
on
a
consensus
going
to
into
any
plan
that
replaces
a
department
that
has
strong
foundations
and
is
actually
working.
So
so
I
want
to
focus
on
that
also
or
start
with
that
and
from
there.
AO
I
want
to
talk
about
private
policing
when
people,
if,
if
you
don't
have
a
police
station,
protecting
private
property,
often
you'll
see
people
hiring
people
who
can
hire
their
own
police
and
you
we
might
actually
see
a
lot
of
these
officers
go
and
work
for
things
like
we
saw
in
iraq.
Like
you
know,
companies,
private
policing,
firms,
which
is
something
I
don't
think
we
want.
I
think
we
want
to
keep
our
policing
public
and
democratic
government
contracts
of
two
thousand
dollars
or
more
need
at
least
three
bids.
I
believe
so.
AO
AO
If
we
can't
do
it
ourselves
here
in
the
community,
if
we
can't
write
a
document
that
brings
everybody
into
a
agreed
plan,
we
need
to
engage
the
workers,
not
just
the
community.
The
workers
who'll
be
doing
this
job,
who
already
doing
this
job.
This
is
a
this
plan
is
an
attack
on
workers
in
the
working
class.
This
plan
is
a
threat
to
public
safety.
Any
plan
that
attacks
workers,
but
especially
first
responders,
not
only
destroys
worker
morale
across
the
board,
their
families,
friends,
community
members,
other
workers
also
threatens
public
safety.
AO
A
AP
Hi,
I'm
robin
messing.
I've
been
a
longtime
resident
of
ithaca
and
I've
actually
changed
my
mind
somewhat.
During
listening
to
all
the
speakers
tonight,
I
had
sent
in
a
letter
to
the
common
council
to-
and
everyone
involved
a
few
about
a
week
ago
or
so
suggesting
that
you
do
a
video
by
glenn
kirschner
he's
a
prosecutor
with
30
years
of
experience,
a
federal
prosecutor.
AP
I
suggested
this
could
be
an
alternative
to
the
to
the
proposed
restructuring
and
just
before
this
meeting,
I
sent
the
follow-up
letters
saying
that
I
had
no
objections
to
the
restructuring
itself
and
this
could
just
be
an
alternative.
But
after
listening
tonight,
I
am
more
concerned
about
the
transition
between
how
we
get
from
here
to
there
that
there
will
be
a
number
of
that
the
police
will
be
demoralized
and
will
have
a
large
exodus
of
police.
So
I
would
strongly
recommend
taking
a
closer
look
at
glenn,
kirschner's
video.
AP
AQ
Good
evening,
first,
I'd
just
like
to
thank
the
council
for
this
opportunity
to
speak
tonight.
My
name
is
lou
savello.
I
have
been
a
union
member
and
involved
in
the
labor
movement
for
most
of
my
adult
life
first
as
a
teamster
most
currently
as
a
police
officer
and
a
union
board
member
for
the
suffolk
county
police.
I'd
just
like
to
speak
a
little
bit
about
how
this
affects
union
members
really
across
this
state.
AQ
You
know
this
resolution.
It
proports
itself
to
be
a
reimagining
of
public
safety,
but
what
it
really
does
is
it
reimagines
collective
bargaining?
This
is
about
as
anti-union
as
you
get.
It
is
union
busting,
as
many
of
the
other
speakers
have
echoed
here
tonight,
the
mayor's
resolution
you
know
which
begins
with
dissolving
the
police
department.
You
know
in
his
self-promoting
interview
in
gq.
I
think
that's
what
most
of
us
became
aware
of
this.
AQ
You
know
he
goes
on
to
stay,
that
all
the
officers
will
have
to
reapply
for
their
jobs
back
and
only
after
you
know
the
labor
movement
and
pushed
back.
Did
he
relent
in
that
and
had
the
that
the
current
officers
would
keep
their
jobs,
so
that
reminds
me
of
someone
else
who
has
done
this
in
the
past?
That
person
would
be
ronald
reagan
and
the
air
traffic
controllers
where
he
fired
everyone.
AQ
You
know
this
is
again
about
as
union
busting
as
you
get
you
know,
and
this
mayor
is
no
different
than
the
koch,
brothers
or
other
anti-union
people,
and
I
would
just
say
to
those
progressives
out
there
that
this
does
not
end
here
if
you're
going
to
legislate
concessions
rather
than
collective
bargaining,
it's
going
to
extend,
and
this
is
going
to
carry
over
to
teachers,
it's
going
to
carry
over
to
other
public
sector
workers.
The
union
movement
needs
to
stay
strong,
and
I
urge
the
council
to
reject
this
plan.
Thank
you.
AF
Hello,
my
name
is
chris
heyer.
I've
been
a
resident
of
tompkins
county
for
the
30
years
of
my
life,
guys
we
need
to
maybe
re-image
the
police,
but
we
need
our
police
force.
I
live
on
the
west
end.
I've
called
them
within
the
past
year
over
a
dozen
times
for
numerous
issues,
they've
always
responded
and
been
able
to
handle
that
there's
a
rental
property
that
there
was
a
that
a
family
member
owns
that
we
went
to
do
an
inspection.
AF
AF
AF
U
Hi
everyone.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
make
comments
today.
Can
you
hear
me
nope?
Okay,
aaron.
My
name
is
vivek
iyer.
I
am
an
immigrant
and
a
resident
of
the
city
of
ithaca
for
the
past
eight
years
and
I'm
here
today
because
I'm
concerned
that
the
proposal
as
written
is
woefully
deficient.
U
U
It's
what's
in
the
document
is
just
not
enough
for
the
council
to
vote
on,
and
so
you
know
with
this
kind
of
analysis
and
lack
of
detail,
I
you
know
think
that
the
proposal
must
be
voted
down,
even
if
that
slows
down
reform,
because
it's
important
to
get
something
right
then
do
something
hastily
paste
is
a
bad
formula.
And
lastly,
I
would
you
know
put
this
in
my
written
comments,
but
I
would
like
to
object
to
the
lack
of
transparency
in
the
process.
U
I
read
an
article
in
the
cornell
daily
sun,
in
which
I
learned
that
the
mayor
has
not
disclosed.
Who
wrote
the
proposal.
I
don't
know
if
that's
still
the
case.
Secondly,
I
would
like
to
point
out
that
people
opposing
this
proposal
aren't
you
know,
necessarily
getting
their
ideas
from
watching
fox
news,
as
the
mayor
implied
in
his
gq
interview.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
AR
Hi
everybody
thank
you.
I'm
todd
brewer,
I'm
the
business
manager
for
the
electricians,
ibw
local
241
and
the
president
for
the
thompkins
cortland
mill,
construction,
trade
council,
I'm
honored
to
speak
to
all
of
you
tonight
on
behalf
of
the
reimagine
and
public
safety
in
front
of
you,
the
first
speaker,
mr
barber
and
the
two
gentlemen
from
long
island,
and
then
there
was
another
gentleman
that
spoke
on
bringing
social
workers
to
respond
with
police
officers.
I
think
they
all.
AR
AR
I
heard
a
lot
of
guests
talking
tonight
about
mental
health
and
all
I
can
think
about
is
ipd
officer,
michael
padula,
when
he
tried
to
disarm
that
lady
with
a
knife
who
was
released
from
welded
psychiatric
center
and
he
lost
his
life.
In
doing
so,
I
mean
everyone
and
it
sounds
like
a
great
idea
to
do
this,
but
we
don't
know
what
it's
like
responding
to.
Those
calls
when
not
just
you
not
just
that
person's
life,
but
your
life
and
other
people's
life
could
be
a
safe.
AR
B
B
If
it
is
okay,
I
can
assume
that
we
will
all
be
commenting
extensively
on
the
topic
that
everybody
commented
on
unless
anyone
on
council
absolutely
has
to
say
something
right
now
going
once
going
twice.
Okay,
I
know
that
we're
going
to
be
talking
about
this
for
a
lot
this
evening,
so
we
have
a
few
city
administration
items
I'm
going
to
get
through
those,
and
what
we'll
do
is,
I
think,
take
just
a
very
short
stretch,
whatever
you
need
break
and
then
we'll
get
into
the
reimagining
public
safety.
B
So
first
there
is
an
item
on
consent,
which
is
an
amendment
to
the
personnel
roster
for
public
works.
Is
there
someone
that
wants
to
move?
That?
Graham?
Is
there
a
second
rob?
Thank
you
all,
those
in
favor
and
remember.
We
all
have
to
vote
on
this.
This
is
not
just
ca.
I
think
I
see
everyone.
Nobody
is
opposed.
B
S
AB
Sure
trying
to
speed
read
this
is
a
request
to
lend
capital
project
for
the
gia
gym
renovation,
a
capital
project
and
the
amount
of
219
000
was
established
in
2019
to
renovate
the
immaculate
conception,
school
gym
and
collaboration
with
the
giac
board
of
directors.
The
city
purchased
jim
from
ithaca
neighborhood
housing
giac
received
formal
schematic
designs
for
alternates
and
related
estimates
for
the
renovation
portion
of
the
project.
Totaling
3.5
million
the
past
year,
difficulties
brought
on
coronavirus,
highlighted
the
importance
of
this
facility
to
be
available
to
programming.
AB
Geek
has
been
fundraising,
ready
to
move
forward
with
the
project.
Common
council
is
certainly
desirous
of
progressing
through
this
reimbursement
project.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
common
council
hereby
amends
capital
project.
864
gf,
gym
renovation,
an
amount
not
to
exceed
3.5
million
for
a
total
project,
authorization
of
3.97
million
for
the
purposes
of
designing
and
constructing
such
improvements
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
funding
for
said
capital
project
shall
be
derived
from
the
issuance
of
cereal
bonds
and
iso
move.
B
B
B
AS
Let's
see
this
is
support
for
the
friends
of
stuart
park's
application
to
preserve
a
to
the
preserve
new
york
grant
program.
So
where
stewart
park
is
a
regional
waterfront
destination,
the
city
of
ithaca,
it
offers
recreation
opportunities,
the
parks
and
whereas
the
park's
dynamic
history
is
in
its
building
structures,
monuments,
etc.
The
friends
of
stewart
park
is
a
nonprofit
organization
working
in
partnership
with
the
city
to
revitalize
the
park
and
whereas
the
violation
of
efforts,
the
princess
stewart
park,
promotes
the
park's
significant
history
through
programming
events,
etc.
AS
Whereas
the
friends
of
stewart
park
wishes
to
nominate
the
park
for
the
state
and
national
registers
of
historic
places
to
further
promote
that,
and
whereas
the
preservation
league
of
new
york,
state
and
new
york
state
council
of
the
arts
have
announced
the
availability
of
funds
through
the
2021
preserve
new
york.
Grant.
That
should
be
grant
program.
AS
B
B
B
AU
AU
B
B
So
this
is,
as
we
said,
a
committee
of
the
whole
and
we
decided
it
would
be
better
to
work
this
up
to
the
common
council
level.
This
way,
because
of
the
significance
of
what
was
included
in
these
recommendations,
that
we
felt
it
would
be
better
to
have
all
10
members
of
council
participate
in
the
editing
and
discussion
of
the
resolution
that
we
have
before
us.
So
we're
treating
this
similarly
to
how
we
run
our
budget
meetings
usually,
and
we
have
provided
an
opportunity
for
a
q,
a
session
with
several
of
our
invited
guests.
B
For
this
evening
we
have
had
several
questions
that
were
submitted
in
advance
from
common
council
members,
but
also
we
can
take
questions
from
the
floor
from
council.
So
we
have
several
members
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
committee
are
here.
We
have
some
staff
from
the
county.
We
have
police,
chief
and
deputy
chiefs
here
we
have
leadership
of
the
pba
as
well,
and
also
the
the
normal
staff
that
staff
the
city
administration
committee.
B
B
AW
AV
A
B
AV
AV
I
think
you
know,
we've
made
it
very
clear
that
the
pba
and
the
members
of
the
police
department
are
are
very
open
to
reform
and
we're
embracing
of
that.
Another
thing,
I
think
that's
been
made
clear
tonight
by
the
community-
is
that
the
community
wants
for
reform
as
well
and
is
asking
that
of
of
us
as
a
a
smaller
part
of
a
larger
community,
to
some
specifics
about
reform.
I
think
the
first
part
of
it
needs
to
be
rebuilding
of
relationships
and
community
healing.
AV
You
know
several
meetings
and
the
past
year.
Even
the
protests
out
in
front
of
the
police
department,
it's
clear
that
people
are
not
happy,
we
we
value
their
experiences,
we
value
their
voices
and-
and
we
hear
loud
and
clear
that
that
change
is
needed.
So
I
would
start
my
vision
of
reform
with
concrete
efforts
and
attainable
goals
at
relationship
building
and
community
healing.
AV
After
that,
I
think
you
know
some
important
aspects
that
have
been
really
highlighted
through
the
draft
proposal.
Among
many
that
we
support
are
embracing
assistance
from
unarmed
workers,
whether
they
be
community
outreach
workers
or
unarmed
public
safety
workers.
The
police
department
and
the
members
here
would
value
collaboration
with
those
types
of
individuals.
AV
We
do
work
very
closely
with
tompkins
county
mental
health.
The
mobile
crisis
team,
tammy
baker
has
been
a
huge
resource
for
us,
so
we
do
see
a
vision
of
incorporating
those
types
of
skill
sets
into
an
unarmed
community
outreach
worker,
and
I
believe
part
of
that
was
actually
highlighted
in
the
draft
proposal
that
everyone
was
presented
with
the
other
piece.
I
think
that
is
very
important
is
some
of
the
duties
that
police
officers
do
respond
to
initially
could
be
handled
by
other
people.
AV
I
think
those
individuals
could
be
essentially
the
foundation
for
a
larger
public
safety,
unarmed
public
safety
worker,
and
we
have
that
foundation
and
that
template
that
currently
exists,
and
I
think
we
could
build
on
that
to
on
a
pilot
basis
to
expand
the
duties
that
those
those
individuals
perform
and
incorporate
them
closer
into
what
we
do
here
at
the
police
department.
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time.
There's
a
lot
to
say
on
this
topic,
but
I'll
I'll
open
the
floor
back
up.
B
B
AY
You're
good
yeah
one
give
me
thank
you
for
giving
an
opportunity
to
speak.
I
know.
Last
week
I
sent
council
a
letter.
It
was
very
lengthy
letter
basically
going
over
some
of
my
personal
experiences
over
the
years,
and
I
watched
the
department
evolve
over
the
years
where
we
had
mostly
police
officers,
doing
all
types
of
work,
clerical,
work,
desk,
work
and
that
evolved
over
the
years
and
then
back
in
the
1990s.
AY
We
had
community
service
officers
that
was
started
by
chief
mcewan
and
where
I
see
things
would
like
to
see
things
progress
is
that
we
just
expand
upon
what
we
currently
have
not
replace
the
department,
but
there's
definitely
a
need
for
mental
health,
preferably
on
staff.
Here
at
the
pd
tompkins
county,
mental
health.
We
work
great
with
them,
but
they're
limited
in
their
resources
and
they're
not
always
available
24
7
due
to
their
limitations.
So
that
would
be
a
good
thing
to
have.
AZ
Yeah
deb
I'll
I'll
jump
into
yeah.
The
idea
about
having
you
know
the
appropriate
people
to
be
able
to
respond
to
the
mental
health
calls
we've
all
said
from
the
beginning
is
huge
and
I
think
trying
that
out,
seeing
how
it
works,
seeing
how
their
responses
go,
seeing
how
it
goes
toward
alleviating
our
volume,
how
it
works
in
terms
of
the
calls,
the
success
rate
and
and
then
we
go
from
there.
AZ
I
just
think
that
you
know
again,
as
I
said
from
the
beginning,
taking
a
graduated
approach
like
that
that
you
can
measure
evaluate,
adjust
as
needed.
That's
a
way
that
you
can
then
make
determinations
that
can
have
the
highest
chance
of
success.
That,
I
think,
is
huge.
I
I
do
strongly
support
the
officer
wellness
part,
because
it's
just
inconceivable
to
think
that
officers
can
remain
well
when
they're
dealing
with
toxic
environments,
dangerous
situations
day
in
and
day
out
going
into
the
unknown.
AZ
So
I
do
support
that.
You
know,
obviously,
if
we
look
at
different
forms
of
expanding
our
ability
to
do
outreach
because
again
we're
all
in
agreement
that
to
do
our
jobs.
We
need
trust.
We
need
community
support
and,
just
like
sergeant
gonzalez
said,
finding
a
way
to
heal
past
traumas
is
huge,
and
I
think
that
needs
to
be
something
that
we
predicate
everything
else
upon,
that
we
find
out
the
ways
that
we
can
address.
AZ
AZ
B
Great,
I
think
what
I
will
do
is
to
make
sure
we're
equalizing
our
voices
here.
I
will
kind
of
move
through
the
questions
in
in
alternating
fashion,
so
we
had
a
question
for
the
the
members
of
the
rps
committee.
The
community
outreach
working
group-
and
I
know
several
of
them-
are
here
this
evening
as
well.
B
BA
And
so
so
then
we
developed
her
methodology
and
a
recruitment
strategy
of
to
to
essentially
convince
people
to
participate
because,
as
we
say
in
the
in
one
of
our
one
of
our
findings
that
you
know,
people
did
not
trust
the
process.
Minoritized
people,
people
of
color
houses,
people,
members
of
the
lgbtq
community-
were
not
we're
not
inclined
to
participate.
We
really
had
to
recruit
them
to
do
so,
and
so-
and
you
know
those
folks
were
asked
the
same
questions.
BA
They
had
trained
facilitators
the
law
enforcement
groups
that
were
a
part
of
the,
not
the
targeted
groups,
but
the
law
enforcement
groups.
Those
were
facilitated
by
c
members
of
cpe,
and
so
they
just
met
different
standards,
and-
and
so
we
wanted
to
make
a
distinction,
because
executive
203
really
meant
that,
even
though
it
doesn't
say
it
in
there,
it
really
means
methodologically
that
you
have
to
over
sample
the
populations
that
you
would.
BA
You
would
normally
not
hear
from,
and
I
think
actually
the
input
that
we
have
gotten
the
response
that
we've
gotten
from
from
the
draft
echoes
that
process.
The
other
thing
about
the
input
is
that
there's
really
no
I'm
gonna,
say
quality
control
in
that
people
could
respond
several
times
and
because
we
have
very
limited
information.
BB
I
would
just
like
to
reiterate
the
point
that
you
know
we
had
six
public
community
forums
and
there
are
a
number
of
people
who
spoke
at
all
six
same
people
also
sent
emails,
also
sent
multiple
voicemails,
and
so
we
were
hearing
from
the
same
folks
on
multiple
different
occasions,
and
so,
as
dr
gonzalez
said,
there
was
no
quality
control
and
I
know
when
people
hear
this
idea
or
the
word
over
sampling
as
researchers
for
us.
What
it
historically
has
meant,
as
we've
gone
from
zero
participation
to
some
participation.
BB
So
in
fact
it
actually
isn't
an
over
sampling.
It's
a
much
more
representative
sample
than
we
would
typically
have
there's
a
number
of
folks
in
the
community
who
would
never
participate.
Folks
who
are
experiencing
housing
and
security
for
the
most
part
would
never
be
included
in
a
study
like
this.
But
by
doing
some
of
the
outreach
that
was
done,
their
voices
get
get
included,
and
so
I
know
that
sometimes
the
language
may
push
people
in
a
particular
direction.
B
BC
BC
But
when
we
talked
about
you
know
some
of
the
things,
and
these
are
things
that
came
from
the
police
department
that
were
were
not
necessarily
police
work,
for
example,
directing
traffic.
When
there's
an
accident
responding
to
disputes
that
are
between
neighbors.
You
know
just
to
give
an
example,
but
the
the
role
of
the
community
solutions
officers
would
be
when
they're
it
when
it
does
not
involve
sort
of
violence
or
or
where
it's
clear
that
there
is
a
threat
and
it's
safe
for
them
to
be
involved.
AU
AB
AU
AU
BD
B
S
AU
AB
H
AU
B
AZ
AZ
You
can't
have
one
without
the
other
with
policing,
though
there's
so
many
nuances
that
if
you
hadn't
done
all
the
roles
beneath
you
and
understand
what
it's
like
to
work
shift
work,
what
it's
like
to
deal
with
irrational
people
or
people
who
are
violent
or
people
who
are
intoxicated
to
just
understand
it
in
a
theoretical
or
academic
sense.
Without
the
practical
experience
it
just
leaves
a
gaping
hole
in
your
ability
to
lead
and
the
the
people
that
you
lead.
AZ
They
have
to
know
that
what
you're
asking
of
them
that
you
understand
and
there's
so
many
complexities
to
it.
Good
police
chiefs
now
have
come
up
through.
They
have
continued
to
evolve
and
they
expand
their
knowledge,
so
that
did
not
because
the
knowledge
in
policing
and
police
leadership
isn't
specific
to
just
law
enforcement,
as
we
could
see
we're
looking
at
issues
of
officer
wellness,
we're
looking
at
diversity
and
understanding
ways
to
relate
better
to
the
communities
we
serve.
AZ
We're
looking
at
you
know
so
many
areas
that
were
never
a
core
component
of
just
basic
law
enforcement,
but
that
foundation
of
law
enforcement
is
key.
And
I
I
will
say
you
know,
having
been
a
chief
in
two
cities.
I
could
not
have
done
this
on
academic
abilities
alone,
the
back
the
foundation
that
I
had
gotten
through
working
in
as
an
officer
on
midnight
for
10
years.
As
a
sergeant
as
a
lieutenant.
AZ
B
AV
Okay,
I
apologize
for
earlier,
so
I
I
would
in
an
academic
sense.
I
would
agree
with
the
mayor
having
a
person
with
strong
managerial
and
administrative
skills
would
lend
itself
very
well
to
a
leader
of
a
law
enforcement
organization
like
the
ithaca
police
department
and
in
another
sense
I
would
also
agree
with
the
chief.
AV
You
know
selection
of
applicants,
while
at
the
same
time
allowing
for
that
person
to
still
be
an
actual
police
chief.
So
I
I
I
think
it
is
attainable,
and
I
I
I
think
you
know
we
don't
necessarily
have
to
focus
on
the
benefits
or
drawbacks
when
we
could
potentially
have
both.
I
would
also
like
to
mention
you
know.
I
I
think
that,
within
the
ithaca
police
department
itself,
there's
still
good
leadership,
there's
good
leadership
all
throughout
our
ranks.
AV
There
are
phenomenal
officers
here
and
giving
those
officers
an
aspiration
to
rise
up
and
be
a
leader
and
change
the
department
and
better
relations
with
the
community
is
important
as
well.
So
you
know,
I
think,
expanding
language
to
allow
for
a
civilian
to
be
recruited
and
to
become
a
police
chief,
which
I
believe
is
legally
possible
in
new
york.
State
would
be
equally
as
important
as
still
offering
those
opportunities
to
our
candidates
within.
So
those
are
my
points
to
that
question.
BD
I
don't
know
why
you
can't
have
both.
I
I
heard
what
the
mayor
said
and
what
dennis
said
and
thomas
said.
I
don't
know
why
you
can't
have
a
police
chief
right
that
understands
the
institution
of
policing
has
been
there
done,
that
understands
the
nuances
and
have
a
superintendent
of
public
safety,
whose
number
one
priority
is
to
ensure
that
the
mission
of
the
city,
the
needs
of
the
community,
are
met.
When
we
talk
about
budgeting
and
expectations
and
culture,
that's
their
responsibility
to
make
sure
that's
met.
BD
BD
BE
BE
You
have
varying
degrees
of
success
and
having
evolved
in
that
process
has
a
tremendous
amount
of
value,
as
it
relates
to
understanding
that
field
and
the
trajectory
in
regards
to
how
to
continue
to
improve
it
and
to
best
serve
the
community
and
and
being
a
part
of
of
the
community
is
a
central
part
of
that.
I
think
that
the
there
does
need
to
be
a
civilian
that
is
overseeing
the
police
department
and
that
in
our
jurisdiction,
is
intended
to
be
the
mayor.
BE
It's
the
person
that
is
elected
by
the
people
to
hold
the
police
department
accountable
to
what
is
expected
of
them
and
the
service
that
they
provide.
I
think
that
when
you
know
the
mayor
is
making
decisions
as
it
relates
to
the
police
department,
he
should
have
confidence
in
the
presentation
or
the
evaluation
or
the
foundation
of
many
of
the
decisions
that
may
have
been
involved
in
any
specific
incident
or
getting
to
that
point
or
where
it
is
that
you
you
care
to
go,
and
I
think
that
there's
also
an
effect
on.
BE
You
know
the
agency
itself,
as
it
relates
to
the
personnel
that
you
really
want
to
have
confidence
in
your
leadership,
and
that
is
a
combination
of
both
management
and
leadership.
Styles.
I
think
that
it
is
not
something
where
you
could
take
like
a
profit
driven
model
where
you
can
kind
of
insert
different
people.
BE
Different
skill
sets
and
have
them
be
successful,
as
it
relates
to
how
best
to
incorporate
the
many
considerations
that
you
have
and
the
the
vast
amount
of
laws
and
liabilities
and
responsibilities
that
you
have
in
the
in
the
field
of
police
work.
So
I
do
think
that
there
needs
to
be
civilian,
and
I
think
that
that
should
really,
in
our
case,
be
the
elected
official.
The
county
has
a
different
system,
as
it
really
relates
to
how
their
legislative
body's
legislative
body
is
set
up
and
having
a
county
executive.
BE
BC
BC
I
guess
technically,
it
could
be
globally,
but
certainly
nationally
and
doesn't
restrict
us
to
to
new
york
state
and
the
the
one
thing
I
would
say
about
the
mayor,
and
this
is
not
to
throw
any
shade
on
the
mayor.
But
in
order
to
be
mayor,
there
is
no
no
criteria
for
management,
skills
or
even
leadership
skills.
But
so
I
I
I'm
a
little
reluctant
to
rely
on
an
elected
official
to
to
to
do
what
we
are
looking
to
do
in
our
department.
BC
R
B
Great
all
right,
I'm
gonna,
try
to
in
in
the
interest
of
time
here,
I'm
gonna
look
at
some
of
the
questions
and
see
if
there's
commonality
among
them,
there
are
several
of
them
that
relate
to.
I
think
the
county
and
the
counties
process
and
I
do
see
county
administrator
jason
molino
is
here
with
us.
So
a
few
questions
we
had
a
question
on
an
update
or
status
on
recommendations,
two
and
four,
and
then
also
the
current
county
position
regarding
truck
99,
which
is
the
mobile
command
unit.
B
BF
Great
thank
you
good
evening.
Everyone
good
to
see
you
all.
I
apologize,
but
if
you
could
tell
me
what
those
the
recommendation
two
and
four
only
because
we
have
had
several
resolutions
that
number
them
differently
than
the
report.
So
if
you
could
just
read
them,
read
them
off.
I
can
give
you
an
update
on
them.
B
BF
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
sorry
about
that.
So
yesterday
the
public
safety
committee
met
and
the
process
we
followed
is
that
the
public
safety
committee
took
up
two
resolutions
both
last
week
and
then
this
week,
and
they
have
adopted
a
resolution.
I
deb,
I
forwarded
you
the
adopted
one
that
was
that
was
just
this
afternoon,
so
I
apologize
if
it
didn't
make
it
to
everyone
adopted.
The
resolution
with,
I
think
two
or
three
amendments,
nothing
of
substance.
BF
The
recommendation,
as
proposed
with
respect
to
the
alternative
response
model,
has
been
intact
and
says,
stayed
in
their
proposal
and
the
and
the
also
the
recommendation
about
analyzing
traffic
stops
and
collecting
demographic
data
has
also
stayed
in
the
proposal.
So
none
of
that
has
changed
with
respect
to
the
swat
vehicle.
There
was
a
rather
robust
conversation
yesterday
about
it.
BF
At
the
end
of
the
day
they
adopted
the
resolution,
as
it
is
in
terms
of
shifting
the
asset
to
the
department
of
emergency
response.
I
will
tell
you,
though,
that
at
least
two
legislators
identified
last
night
that
when
this
comes
in
front
of
the
legislature
for
consideration
next
week,
they
will
make
a
proposal
to
eliminate
that
recommendation
and
not
and
not
address
the
transfer
of
the
asset
if
they
were
successful
with
that
amendment.
So
it
would
really
just
be
striking
that
recommendation.
BG
F
AY
BF
On
any
of
that,
but
I
just
that's
kind
of
the
update
where
they
are
and
again
I
think
the
two
language
changes
that
you
had
deb
were
were
not
substantial.
One
was
around
a
county
recommendation
which
was
to
evaluate
the
creation
of
a
public
safety
review
board.
I
don't
remember
what
the
other
one
was,
but
I
don't
think
it
was
a
substantial
change.
BF
It
did
not
change
a
recommendation
and
they
decided
not
to
move
forward
at
this
time
at
this
moment
in
adopting
a
resolution,
allocating
the
funding
for
the
community
justice
center,
but
instead
requested
that
we
work
with
the
city
to
get
more
details
and
get
more
specificity
with
it
and
come
back
at
the
april
public
safety
committee
meeting
to
to
consider
that
that
appropriation,
assuming
everything,
passes
next
tuesday.
With
this
resolution.
S
Thank
you
deb.
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
brought
those
two
questions.
First,
because
recommendation
two
was
struck
from
the
resolution
in
the
agenda,
so
I
thought
something
had
happened
with
it.
There
was
a
reason
that,
for
that
that
was
a
root
cause
for
my
question.
I
know
donna
had
had
some
questions
with
regards
to
the
traffic
stop
data
and
if
that
was
needed,
so
that
was
why
I
asked
that
question
also.
BF
I
think
the
the
second
recommendation
was
was
a
was
a
county-owned
recommendation,
although
I
I
would
admit
that
I
think
it's
a
very
going
to
be
a
very
collaborative
approach
as
we
look
at
this
with
us
with
city
partners,
but
I
think
it
was.
It
was
a.
It
was
a
county-owned
recommendation
when
it
was
proposed.
B
BG
BF
I
I
would
say
that
they're
different
one
is
very
focused:
around
traffic
stops
just
to
kind
of
give
a
little
more
context.
One
is
very
focused
on
traffic
stops,
the
other
one
is
very
focused
just
in
general
and
how
data
is
collected
into
the
records
management
system,
so
while
they
all
have
to
do
with
collecting
data,
I
think
the
traffic
stop
one
is
was
specifically
identified
because
it
was
focusing
on
a
specific
action
where
the
other
one
is
a
general
data
collection
and
how
we're
best
using
spillman.
BF
BG
B
AU
AW
BF
Right
so
so
they're
they're,
the
I'm
sorry
the
the
cap.
The
legislature
is
adopting
resolutions
and
adopting
the
recommendations
and
debating
the
recommendations.
They
are
not
making
edits
to
the
individual
report.
I
mean
the
report
stands
as
it
was
proposed,
so
the
language
in
there
isn't
being
edited.
There
may
be
some
grammatical
changes
that
our
communications
folks
may
change,
but
the
there
is
no.
There
has
been
no
and
there
and
I
don't
anticipate
there
hasn't
been
any
discussion
around
editing
the
actual
document
itself.
BF
BF
BB
Hey
ducks
and
I
may
be
able
to
provide
a
quick
addition
to
the
second
question
about
the
feedback
to
the
portal.
I
know
that
deanna
carruthers
is
looking
at
as
well
as
dominic
as
looking
at
all
the
the
feedback
and
I've
reviewed
all
260
pieces
of
feedback
that
we
received
through
the
portal
as
well,
and
just
to
give
you
a
quick
summary,
it
is
basically
verbatim
of
what
we
heard
this
evening
of
people.
BH
B
B
B
BH
BE
And
I
think
that
a
lot
of
that
has
to
do
with
dialogue
having
being
able
to
have
difficult
conversations
being
accessible
being
transparent
about
what
it
is
that
you're
doing.
Why
it
is
that
you're
doing
it
and
trying
to
bridge
some
of
the
gaps
between
what
is
misunderstood
and
what
people's
experiences
are.
And
I
think
that
you
know
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
can
be
done
in
terms
of
resource
allocation,
like.
BE
I
think
that
this
reimagining
proposal
has
a
lot
of
really
quality
components
that
this
department
is
willing
to
and
encouraged
about
embracing
a
lot
of
the
things
that
seem
to
be
what
they
were
going
to
be
contentious.
I've
been
very
appreciative
to
hear
amongst
the
workforce
and
and
others
that
they
that
they
are
very
interested
in
trying
to
embrace.
BE
I
think
you
know
we
do
have
a
degree
of
expertise
in
this
field
and
we
don't
always
know
exactly
how
it's
best
applied.
To
be
honest
with
you,
and
I
think
that,
having
some
conversations
with
people
that
will,
let
us
know
what
it
is,
that
they
want
to
see
from
this
agency
and
and
how
we
can
be
best.
Is
you
know?
The
type
of
conversation
needs
to
happen,
and
that
will
lead
to
some
of
the
answers
that
I
think
would
be
best
to
answer
your
question
to
to
a
large
degree.
BE
But
I
think
a
lot
of
it
has
to
do
with
getting
the
right
people
here,
supporting
the
people
here
and
then
being
able
to
embrace
you
know
evolving
as
an
agency
and
and
individuals
here
involving
in
that
process
as
well.
I
I
don't
want
to
take
up
too
much
time.
I
hope
that
answered
some
of
what
your
questions.
If
you're,
looking
for
something
more
specific,
let
me
know.
S
B
AE
AE
That,
in
turn
would
very,
very
likely
require
a
referendum,
and
I
think
we
would
need
to
evaluate
other
elements
of
the
proposals
as
they
were
fleshed
out
to
see,
but
I
I'm
not
confident
that
other
elements
of
the
voice
would
require
a
referendum
and,
of
course,
charter
changes
alone.
If
there's
mere
edits
to
the
charter,
that
requires
a
local
law,
but
not
necessarily
a
referendum.
S
S
What
I
want
to
know
is
I
I
don't
want
to
accidentally,
do
something
and
then
find
that
we
have
triggered
a
referendum
or
charter
change
as
a
result
of
the
decision
that
we
make
next
week,
and
so
would
we
be
flagged
and
said
by
the
way
when
you
rename
this
department
when
you
change
the
department
head,
this
is
the
the
the
consequence
of
that.
Is
there
other
aspects
that
we
should
be
paying
attention
to.
AE
Yeah,
I
don't
know
so:
it's
under
municipal
home
rule
law,
section
23,
is
what
of
new
york.
State
law
is
what
triggers
mandatory
referenda,
and
that
goes
beyond
just
renaming
a
department
or
changing
a
department
head
for
those
things
will
do
it.
Any
substantial
restructuring
of
the
police
department
and
its
authorities
would
likely
trigger
a
referendum
law,
isn't
going
to
speak
to
those
specific
issues
in
terms
of
it
doesn't
say
anything
about
restructuring
a
police
department,
for
example,
but
it
will.
AE
AE
Those
approve
that
referendum,
but
if
council
votes
on
the
resolution
has
drafted
endorsing
number
one
right
now
that
in
itself
will
not
trigger
a
referendum,
the
referendum
would
come
at
such
time
that
council
was
presumably
months
or
years
from
now,
because
there's
a
lot
of
work
between
now
and
then
we're
council
to
go
down
this
road.
When
council
was
voting
on
the
implementing
legislation,
which
would
have
to
be
a
local
law
that
has
very
specific
language
in
it.
AE
BI
Currently,
like
you
know,
if
you
look,
you've
got
the
the
county,
mental
health,
the
crisis
response
team,
which
I've
heard
there's
some
criticism
of
you
know.
Even
tonight,
people
have
said
that
you
know
they
don't
always
show
up.
They
have
really
strict
criteria,
they're,
not
always
good.
At
de-escalating
situations.
BI
BI
and
now
we
have
lead
which
we've
just
set
up,
and
you
know,
there's
still
some
uncertainty
about
how
that
program
is
going
to
look,
and
so
I
guess
that
the
question
I
have-
and
this
is
maybe
just
for
everybody-
is
when
we
talk
about
a
like
a
robust
crisis
response
effort
that
can
be
paired
with
law
enforcement
like
how
do
we
envision
that?
Do
we
envision
it
as
something
that's
housed
in
the
police
department?
Do
we
see
it
as
something
that
should
be
housing,
a
nonprofit
or
maybe
at
the
county
like?
BI
AU
I
could
answer
a
bit
based
on
you
know
what
really
informed
a
lot
of
the
report
is
that
we
heard
varus
xf
that
there's
not
one
answer
to
your
question.
You
know
when
the
question
was
well
first,
what
was
clear
is
that
we
needed
24
7,
alternative
response.
We
heard
that
from
our
officers
again
here
tonight
that
okay,
sometimes
this
alternative
response
is
great
but
they're,
not
there
all
the
time
when
we
need
them.
AU
So
that
was
the
first
thing
we
heard,
but
we
heard
from
very
vulnerable
communities,
some
extremely
vulnerable
communities,
like
the
house
list,
for
example,
that
they
felt
more
comfortable
interacting
with
an
agency
that
was
external
right
external
to
any
law
enforcement
agency.
But
we
also
heard
from
a
lot
of
populations.
We
heard
from
some
of
those
speakers
again
tonight
and
this
is
again
triggered
throughout
the
data.
AU
They
would
like
to
speak
to
an
agency
that
does
work
in
close
collaboration
with
armed
officers,
but
not
have
to
engage
with
an
armed
officer
for
something
routine
like
like
reporting,
stolen
property.
So
those
things
informed.
What
is
not
going
to
be
one
alternative
response,
but
several
alternative
responses.
AU
AU
All
of
those
I
should
say
too-
and
we
heard
this
back
from
both
the
crisis
workers-
the
outreach
workers,
the
mental
health
workers.
They
will
want
to
have
established
close
working
relationships
with
law
enforcement,
no
matter
what
for
the
instances
when
they
need
backup
so
complex
situation
on
the
ground.
So
it's
a
complex
answer
and
no
one
single
solution
or
program
will
solve
it,
which
is
why
we
see
many
in
this
report.
AB
AB
B
AD
Thank
you
all
right.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
I
think
this
is
a
area
for
speculation
right.
Well.
What
I
envisioned
personally
is
my
own
personal
opinion.
I
discussed
this
with
some
some
people.
I
it's
in
a
it's
an
agreement
with
what
the
mayor
said.
It
has
to
be
external
and
it
has
to
be
a
place.
That's
24
hours,
24,
7,
open
and
professionally
trained,
and,
while
they're
not
responding
to
crisis
situations,
they
should
be
out
in
the
community
building
relationships
at
the
center.
AD
Of
this
whole
thing
is
to
have
a
person
who
knows
the
community,
who
knows
the
actors
who
knows
their
histories
of
trauma
or
account,
or
involvement
with
police
who
could
talk
to
them?
Who
could
call
them
by
first
name
as
soon
as
they
walk
up
to
them?
We
want
this
to
be
we
business,
something
that
is
really
in
the
community.
It's
part
of
the
community.
AD
People
recognize
it
so,
while
they're
not
responding
to
crisis,
they
should
be
out
there
talking
to
people
and
getting
to
know
people
and
visiting
people
and
helping
you
know,
keep
building
relationships.
That's
what
that's!
What's
at
the
center
of
this
rebuilding
the
relationship
that
we
have
with
our
community-
and
these
are
crisis-
outreach
workers-
I
know
you
mentioned
tammy
baker
several
times,
but
her
space
is
limited
to
an
area.
AD
Geographic
area
and
and
tompkins
county
is
a
big
area
and
it
has
a
lot
of
actors,
but
the
actors
that
are
caught
involved
are
generally
the
same
people.
If
we
look
at
it,
we
know
who
are
the
people
that
are
being
recycled
through
the
system
who
have
problems,
finding
housing
who
has
problem
accessing
service
who
keep
falling
out
and
keep
having
these
encounters
and
we
find
them
intoxicated.
AD
Sometimes
I
myself
work
for
oer
and
url
and
I'm
constantly
in
the
homeless
encampment,
and
I
can't
tell
you
the
number
of
times
I've
worked
with
ipd
to
de-escalated
situations,
to
talk
a
person
down
and
the
ipd
has
been
very
responsive
and
and
and
let
this
happen-
and
it
has
happened
because
we
have
built
these
relationships
with
the
community.
So
so
it
has
to
be
external
and
it
has
to
be
about
relationships.
AD
B
AD
Oh
sorry,
I'm
I
have
several
titles,
I'm
with
url,
where
I
collect
data
and
I'm
the
coordinator
for
their
re-entry
housing
task
force.
It's
really
a
data
collection
and
recommendations
of
programs,
and
I
work
for
uro,
I'm
the
oer,
who
has
been
in
the
community
for
over
40
years,
providing
direct
social
service
to
vulnerable
and
at-risk
populations.
AD
These
two
organizations
have
hired
me
to
create
a
really
unique
position
where
I'm
out
in
the
encampments
and
west
village
everywhere,
just
providing
services
and
permission.
During
this
pandemic,
we
were
able
to
keep
that
population
healthy,
while
keeping
our
population
safe
right.
Now,
we're
also
working
in
collaboration
with
oil,
on
the
reach
medical
to
provide
vaccines
to
those
who
are
most
impacted
and
less
likely
to
be
able
to
access
vaccinations
so
probably
vaccinated,
60
people
and
tomorrow
we're
going
to
do
another
20,
hopefully,
and
then
we're
moving
on
to
50..
AD
B
AD
U-R-O
is
our
ultimate
re-entry
program,
which
works
under
the
auspices
of
cornell,
cooperative
extension
and
the
executive
directors.
Tali
mugabe
and
oer
is
alternative
opportunities,
alternative
resource
of
tompkins
county,
which
is
headed
by
dietrich,
who
has
been
incredible
activists
and
legislators
in
this
community.
So
two
great
bosses
that
are
mentoring
me
and
helping
help
and
do
incredible
things.
I
mean
we
just
sit
down
and
have
a
whole
discussion
about
it.
BJ
BJ
Therefore,
when
there
is
a
crisis,
we
gather
the
the
information
that
we
need
and
have
the
the
right
friendships
that
we
need
it's
not
just
in
mental
health,
but
we
need
to
have
it
in
the
homelessness
in
the
addicted
community
as
well.
So
when
there
isn't
a
crisis,
we're
out
there,
we're
networking
with
with
those
and
providing
opportunities
for
for
other
avenues
for
them
to
to
find
resources.
BJ
BE
BE
So
as
it
relates
to
you
know,
we
have
some
community
service
officers
right
now
and
they
are
purposed
with
writing
parking
tickets
largely
and
if
we
were
to
take
an
entity
similar
to
that
or
that
entity
and
repurpose
them
to
offer
more
services
to
the
community
in
a
broader
sense,
I
think
that
we
could
go
a
long
way
towards
having
you
know,
a
responsive
division
that
is
not
armed.
That
can
help
out
with
the
volume
that
is,
the
police
department
is
tasked
with
right
now,
as
relates
to
what
seth
said
before.
BE
I
believe
that
there's
a
lot
of
misconception
about
what
exists
as
it
relates
to
the
services
of
the
thomas
county,
mental
health
and
their
what
they
perform.
I
don't
want
to
misspeak
in
regards
to
representing
them,
but
the
mobile
crisis
unit
sounds
to
a
lot
of
people
like
there
are
mental
health
workers
that
you
know
patrol
or
drive
around
or
are
available
on
an
on-call
basis,
24
hours
a
day
and
they're,
just
not
purpose
like
that.
They
don't
have
the
staffing
for
that.
They
don't
have
the
resources
for
that.
BE
So
I
think
that
that
idea
or
what
the
id,
what
most
people
think
that
mobile
crisis
unit
does
could
be
enhanced
to
provide
more
of
what
the
expectation
is
and
how
it
sounds.
I
also
think
that
the
more
that
you
have
close
working
relationships,
the
better
this
is
going
to
work
so
to
the
question
of
whether
they
would
be
in
the
building.
BE
We
don't
have
that
same
connection
where
we
can
bounce
ideas
off
each
other
or
compare
notes
as
to
what
came
in
there
versus
what
was
put
out
here.
What
it
is
we
saw,
so
I
think
that
the
closer
we
collaborate
with
entities,
the
better
the
more
likely
they
are
to
accomplish
what
I
think
is
intended,
and
I
think
that
there
are
systems
in
place
that
can
accomplish
the
vast
majority
of
what
is
in
this
reimagining
proposal,
and
we
already
have
some
relationships
with
them,
and
I
do
think
that
they
should
be
enhanced.
AV
I
thank
you
I
I
think
scott
said
a
lot
of
what
I
was
planning
on
saying,
but
you
know
just
to
get
back
to
mr
murtaugh's
original
question.
My
vision
is
that
you
know
short-term,
measured,
practical
changes
using
the
foundations
that
we
have
within
the
ithaca
police
department
would
be
very
meaningful
right
now.
AV
I
truly
believe
that,
after
hearing
you
know
the
voices
of
many
people
in
the
community,
there
is
a
want
for
immediate
change
and
I
really
believe
that
the
ithaca
police
department,
the
current
structure
and
the
current
officers
and
personnel
here
have
the
ability
to
contribute
greatly
to
that
change
and
just
a
couple
things.
You
know
immediate
in
terms
of
immediate
changes,
I
think
of
perhaps
including
a
new
division
in
the
ithaca
police
department.
The
community
outreach
division
on
a
pilot
basis
for
one
year
do
something
measured.
AV
AV
She
has
been
an
incredible
resource
for
us
and
if
we
can
blend
the
skill
sets
of
tammy
baker
as
an
outreach
worker
with
the
mobile
crisis
teams,
assistance
in
mental
health
situations,
I
think
that
would
be
an
excellent
pilot
within
the
department
in
a
community
outreach
division,
and
I
think
we
already
have
the
structure
to
take
some
of
the
burden
off
of
our
current
officer
scott
hit
on
it.
We
do
have
the
community
service
officers,
I
think
you
know
bringing
them
back
into
the
ithaca
police
department
and
expanding
their
role
to
kind
of
take.
AV
The
burden
off
of
some
of
the
police
officers
here
would
be
hugely
valuable,
but
I
also
you
know-
I
agree
with
mr
rivera's
point.
This
can't
just
be
in
the
ithaca
police
department.
I
think
a
lot
of
this
has
to
be
external
as
well
with
the
different
social
services
in
a
city
and
county
and
in
terms
of
a
long-term
solution
to
accomplish
some
of
the
broader
goals.
I
really.
BB
Two
points
one.
I
want
to
thank
richard
for
his
incredible
outreach
in
the
work
that
he
did.
I
know
we're
talking
about
tammy
baker,
rightfully
so,
and
the
amazing
work
that
tammy
does
but
richard's
work
in
organizing
focus
groups
that
were
in
person
and
also
conducting
individual
interviews
was
reaching
a
population
again
that
does
not
normally
participate
in
these
sorts
of
studies
and
so
richard.
BB
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
and
thank
you
for
your
work
that
that
was
done
as
we
progress
and
I'm
hearing
a
number
of
conversations,
I
have
to
say
to
thomas
to
scott
garan
to
other
law
enforcement.
I'm
I'm
very
heartened
by
the
response
that
I'm
hearing
in
this.
I
want
to
make
it
clear
that
I
did
not
write
any
of
the
recommendations,
nor
did
dr
gonzalez.
BB
All
we
did
was
try
to
capture
some
of
the
voices
from
people
in
the
community
from
the
focus
groups
and
and
hearing
this
conversation,
I
feel
compelled
to
say
whatever
happens,
moving
forward,
particularly
to
the
common
council
members.
One
of
the
main
questions
being
asked
is:
how
are
we
going
to
stop
institutional
structural
racism,
so
these
recommendations
that
have
been
put
forward
are
based
with
some
of
that
understanding.
Again,
I
did
not
write
the
recommendations.
AV
AV
AV
BB
AD
Yeah,
I
want
to
touch
us
on
briefly.
After
after
we
did,
we
produced
the
recommendations.
I
was
tasked
with
going
back
to
the
focus
groups
and
asking
them
hey
how
you
feel
about
this
right.
There
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
resistance
in
these
meetings,
with
the
proposals
to
the
people
I
spoke
with,
who
are
the
people
that
are
most
directly
impacted?
AD
We
must
bear
in
mind
that
this
all
started
with
eight
minutes
and
46
seconds
right
and
and
that's
why
that's?
Why
we're
doing
this
we're
doing
this,
because
some
populations
are
disproportionately
impacted
by
police
practices?
That's
not
to
say
that
every
police
agency
is
bad.
In
fact,
I
think
champions
county
does
better
than
most
ithaca's,
particularly
that's
better
than
most
departments,
but
I
went
back
to
this
community
and
I'm
asking
these
are
the
recommendations?
AD
What
you
want
to
do,
what
do
you
think
about
them
and
I
recorded
several
of
them
in
general,
everyone
was
very
hopeful
with
the
recommendations.
They
really
do
not
want
to
defund
the
police.
They
don't
want
a
union
bus,
they
don't
know
what
the
hell
that
is,
they
don't
care.
What
that
is?
They
don't
want
to
abolish
the
police.
In
fact,
they
feel
that
police
are
needed.
AD
What
they
want
is
to
get
a
proper
response
to
get
treated
like
human
beings.
This
is
their
narrative.
Now,
if
a
p,
if
a
people
is
disproportionately
impacted
by
policing,
their
perception
is
different
and
their
language
will
be
different
in
the
way
they
describe
it.
They
feel
that
they
are
dehumanized
that
their
accountable
police.
AD
They
see
the
authoritative
way
that
police
approach
it
to
be
demeaning
to
be
insulting.
So
these
are
the
culture
of
policing
that
we
produce
warriors
instead
of
guardians.
These
recommendations
will
produce
guardians
and
get
rid
of
that.
Warrior-Like
culture
and
the
people
are
very
hopeful
of
it.
One
guy
said
well:
if
they're
gonna
be
about
the
community,
they
should
have
the
word
community
in
their
name,
and
I
thought
which
was
very
insightful.
You
know
I
didn't
think
about
that.
BD
So
richard
said
much
of
what
I
was
going
to
say,
and
I
don't
want
to
try
to
go
after
him.
He
said
it
so
well,
but
over
the
last
few
weeks,
I've
I've
talked
to
quite
a
few
people
in
this
community,
knocking
on
doors
and
most
of
them
were
predominantly
white,
and,
I
would
say
well
over
200
of
them
had
the
same
concern.
BD
They
all
want
good
policing.
Just
like
black
folks
want
good
policing.
They
want
to
feel
safe
in
the
community.
They
want
to
know
when
they
call
it
the
worst
times.
Folks
are
going
to
show
up,
be
professional.
Do
their
job
well
and
then
get
out
of
their
lives
right.
They
don't
want
to
they.
They
want
policing
to
feel
like
the
fire
department.
BD
They
want
to
feel
good
about
policing
and
the
reason
why
we're
having
this
conversation
is
because
they
haven't
been
able
to
in
this
community
right.
It
doesn't
have
to
do
with
mental
health
services.
It
has
to
do
with
the
culture
of
policing
and
what
that
looks
like
and
what
that
really
feels
like
to
them.
BD
BD
BD
BC
BC
The
people
are
saying:
it's
it's
it's
it's
not
it's
not
working,
so
I'm
reluctant
to
talk
about
enhancing,
even
good
things
if
they're
good
things,
but
they
don't
have
good
results
if
the
impact
is
still
not
or
the
impact
is
when
I
could
sit
through.
I
don't
know
at
least
half
a
dozen
focus
groups
where
I
scribed
for
and
literally
had
times
when
I
had
to
fight
back
tears.
BC
Police,
I
can't
ignore
that
I
can't
ignore.
I
can't
I
can't
dismiss
what
I
heard
and
what
I
experienced
and
what
I
know.
Personally
you
talk
about
this
being
rushed.
It's
not
rushed
for
the
person
who
has
spent
from
their
early
years
through
their
adulthood,
fearing
fearing
being
stopped
by
the
police
or
their
encounters
with
the
police.
BC
This
is
very
real
and
I
get
that
we
are
all
good
people,
it's
not
about
our
intentions,
it's
about
the
impact
and
we
still
are
in
an
environment
where
the
impact
is
detrimental
to
black
and
brown
folks
in
this
community,
not
nationally,
we
know,
what's
going
on
nationally
in
this
community,
I
need
us.
I
need
police
to
hear
that
I
need.
I
need
you
to
understand
that
what
exists
now
enhancing.
BC
We
don't
have
all
the
answers,
but
I
do
think
we
can
we
can.
If
we
talk
about
implementation
implementation,
does
it
mean
that
this
is
what
you're
going
to
get
implementation
means
figuring
out
what
we
need
the
process
to
figure
out
what
we
need
so
and-
and
this
to
me
is
just
it's
just
a
step
to
move
us
forward
in
that
direction.
BC
BE
I
was
talking
about
enhancing
other
services
that
would
provide
us
many
alternatives
to
provide
solutions
to
people
that
are
calling
us
because
they
have
problems
or
crises
going
on,
and
I
think
that
the
more
well-rounded
we
are
able
to
be
a
part
of
a
an
approach
to
public
service,
the
better
we
are,
but
there
is
no
replacing
the
fact
that
you
need
the
right
people
in
the
right
places
that
embrace
building
relationships,
a
part
of
that
model
to
do
that
and
they
need
direction.
That
is
quality
in
regards
to
getting
to
that
place.
BE
That
I
think
also
has
to
do
with
training
and
education,
and
you
know,
I
think,
what
I
think
a
lot
of
what
is
that
shelley
is
alluding
to.
I
think
that
is
training
in
education.
Familiarization
with
you
know,
historical
context,
with
understanding
equity
and
having
that
as
a
framework
from
which
you
are
looking
to
provide,
help
and
solutions
to
people
that
we
are
called
to
help.
BE
I
think
that
to
go
back
to
what
I
think,
dr
absolutely
bradwell,
initiated
with
that
questions,
I
think
that
we
also
need
to
start
and
could
not
start
but
continue
incorporating
legislative
changes.
I
think
that
we
need
a
a
framework
and
a
foundation
that
is
a
better
reflection
of
what
we
are
trying
to
accomplish
in
public
service,
and
there
is
a
lot
of
legislation
out
there.
That
is
provides
conflicting,
I
would
say
priorities
or
maybe
it
doesn't
accomplish
what
it
is
that
we
are
trying
to
evolve
into
in
the
society.
BE
AX
AX
Unfortunately,
we
spent
so
much
time
talking
about
proposal
number
one
which
is
so
drastic
that
there's
other
parts
of
this
plan
that
we
endorse
and
we
want
to
start
immediately,
and
these
are
changes
from
within.
These
aren't
changes
that
are
changing
our
uniforms
or
changing
a
patch.
In
my
opinion,
that's
not
going
to
change
police
and
how
police
do
business,
that's
superficial,
but
we
were
sent
a
question
earlier
that
strategies
that
we
would
support.
AX
That
would
benefit
marginalized
populations
to
regain
trust
and
I'll
go
as
far
as
say,
not
even
regain,
but
to
establish
trust,
because
it's
clear
after
reading
the
report
that
there's
never
been
trust
from
some
of
these
populations
to
begin
with,
and
that's
a
huge
problem
also.
I
have
some
stuff
straight
from
the
report
that
I've
jotted
down,
that
I
can
confidently
say
that
us
as
a
department
I
would
embrace
and
want
to
get
started
on
right
away.
AX
Number
one
being
the
comprehensive
community
healing
plan
where
we
sit
down
with
members
of
the
community
and
we
address
those
past
traumas.
We
address
those
past
events
and
we
we
need.
The
community
know
that
we
value
their
opinions
and
we
want
to
be
policing
with
humanity,
and
we
want
them
to
see
us
as
human
as
well.
That's
something
100.
We
would
get
on
board
out,
get
on
board
with
and
start
as
soon
as
possible.
AX
AX
One
of
the
things
that
we
liked
in
the
report
was
equity-based
hiring
practices
to
make
sure
minor
infractions
or
limited
past
drug
use
does
not
eliminate
a
candidate.
We
really
like
this.
We
know
that
past
experiences
could
create
for
a
very
good
police
officer
awesome,
one
with
compassion
or
someone
with
empathy.
That's
something
we're
willing
to
embrace
as
well,
but
to
touch
on
what
scott
garan
said
earlier.
AX
I
know
there's
recently
a
couple
fitness
tests
where
I
think
25
of
the
people
who
were
supposed
to
take
the
fitness
test
ended
up
showing
up
because
they
don't
know
what's
going
on
with
this
department,
and
they
don't
want
to
sign
up
on
not
knowing
what
the
future
would
be
when
there's
other
openings
at
other
departments
where
they
know
what
they're
signing
up
for.
Also
whatever's
passed.
AX
Implementation
is
going
to
need
to
be
swift
and
speedy
if
we
want
to
have
good
recruitment
if
we
want
to
attract
good
people,
full-time
staff
within
communi
with
community
engagement,
work,
community
policing
is
sometimes
a
buzzword,
but
what
I
would
want
to
make
clear
is
community
policing,
isn't
a
community
barbecue?
It's
part
of
it.
It's
not
going
out
and
giving
stickers
to
kids.
What
community
policing
is?
AX
Is
law
enforcement
getting
out
of
their
cars
every
day
going
into
the
neighborhoods
of
people
who
feel
underrepresented,
underrepresented
and
are
underrepresented
and
making
those
connections
we
used
to
have
a
commons
unit?
I
worked
it
for
two
years.
I
know
officer.
Pape
worked
it
for
a
long
time.
What
you'll
often
hear
someone
say
is,
I
hate
all
cops,
but
I
like
officer,
pape
or
I
hate
all
cops,
and
I
like
sergeant
tom
barelli
and
that's
because
those
officers
got
to
go
out
and
make
connections
with
the
community.
AX
The
commons
position
was
recently
cut
this
year,
which
means
that's
one
less
officer
on
foot
making
those
community
engagements.
That's
something
that
I
feel
like
is
vital
to
bring
back
if
we
want
to
establish
bridges
with
communities
that
don't
feel
comfortable
with
us
and
communities
that
we've
failed
at
building
relationships
with,
we
can't
be
driving
around
our
patrol
cars
all
day,
but
unfortunately,
our
staffing
levels
leave
us
to
the
fact
where
we're
doing
nothing
but
answering
calls.
AX
I
also
have
a
data
collection
and
evaluation
as
someone
who
dates
a
researcher.
I
know
the
importance
of
this
and
it's
good
for
police
transparency
and
it's
something
that
we
need
to
be
doing
constantly.
So,
for
example,
if
we
identify
that
an
officer
has
a
pattern
where
they're
only
pulling
over
someone
from
a
minority
community,
we
want
to
be
able
to
jump
on
that
and
identify
why
that
officer
is
doing
that
and
we
need
to
keep
up
on
the
trends
and
see
what's
going
on,
that's
another
thing.
AX
We
embrace
we're
also
moving
forward
with
the
lead
program,
and
then
we
also
are
endorsing
the
expansion
of
the
liaison
programs.
Currently
we
have
one
me
on
the
lgbtq
liaison.
Unfortunately,
this
program
was
started
at
the
beginning
of
covid,
so
my
outreach
has
been
limited,
but
would
it
would
be
awesome
to
expand
this?
I
know
a
lot
of
departments
have,
for
example,
a
liaison
to
the
hispanic
community
and
we
believe
that
will
also
help
establish
some
bridges
and
build
some
trust,
but
just
some
thoughts.
AX
BK
Thank
you.
I
was
going
to
say
a
lot
of
what
mary
just
said,
so
I
won't.
I
won't
make
you
listen
to
me
for
that
long,
but
I
would
double
down
and
give
her
a
second.
On
top
of
that,
you
know
ways
we
can
make
inroads
and
gain
trust.
The
community,
obviously
he's
been
talked
about
a
lot
tonight
relationships.
BK
Additionally,
formalizing
training
for
the
community
police
board
give
them
that
training
as
well
as
performance
reviews
for
our
members
kind
of
go
along
the
lines
that
mary
talked
about.
You
will
see
trends
if
someone
is
lacking
or
deficient
in
some
place.
If
someone
is
really
excelling,
maybe
we
can
find
that
they
might
be
a
good
instructor
or
should
lead
a
certain
issue.
So
those
are
just
a
few
things
that
papa
what
mary
just
said
that
I
think
should
also
be
considered.
BK
And
lastly,
I
would
just
say
that,
as
we
talk
about
what
roles
the
police
are
going
to
have
and
what
what
calls
we're
going
to
go
to,
I
think
it's
important
to
talk
about
ways
to
keep
the
police
officers
engaged,
because
we
don't
want
to
just
go
to
the
most
violent
calls,
the
burglaries,
the
robberies,
the
assaults
right.
It's
important
for
us
to
also
have
other
interactions
that
are
meaningful
where
relationships
can
be
built,
and
some
of
those
happens
happen
on
calls
that
maybe
a
police
officer
isn't
needed.
B
S
I
want
to
build
off
of
something.
Shall
we
mention?
Is
the
the
importance
of
self-reflection
as
we
go
through
this
process,
and
you
know
I.
I
have
spent
more
time
on
the
phone
with
various
officers
in
this
last
month
than
I
have
in
the
prior
10
years,
and
you
know
I
I've
definitely
come
to
realize
that
maybe
we
all
need
to
go
through
a
form
of
therapy
together
and
at
least
to
give
each
other
the
language
that
we
need
to
communicate,
because
I
think
in
so
many
ways
we
don't.
S
S
S
S
S
I
don't
see
anywhere
in
the
97
pages
that
addresses
that
right.
So
when
we
talk
about
wanting
to
have
change
now
and
and
wanting
to
take
time
to
do
this
right,
it's
exactly
as
mary
said,
it's
more
than
rebranding
the
department
and
changing
the
paint
and
and
having
different
titles
or
or
having
a
different
director.
It
really
needs
to
be
that
day-to-day
in
and
out
relationship
and
communication
and
vulnerability
and
connectedness
that
we
need
to
build
into
this
process.
I
do
think
it
is
going
to
take
time.
V
So
after
the
killing
of
george
floyd,
like
a
lot
of
organizations,
cornell
held
several
different
opportunities
for
staff
to
process
and
talk
together
for
faculty
to
talk
together
for
students
and
for
people
to
process
this
moment
and
have
really
freak
and
open
conversations
kind
of
along
the
lines.
Simply
will
you
see
what
it
feels
like
you're
seeking
here
and.
AI
V
How
to
talk
with
with
those
folks
in
my
life,
and
so
since
then,
since
that
summer,
I've
tried
to
be
more
active
and
more
conversant
and
more
and
and
afford
stronger
connections
with
those
folks,
and
so
during
this
conversation
I
reached
out
to
as
many
black
and
brown
folks
as
I
could.
I
have
I've
had
a
number
of
conversations.
V
The
way
it
is
set
up,
the
history
that
is
so
deep
that
black
folk
in
our
community
and
and
across
this
country
are
raised
to
be
extra
careful
around
folks
in
that
uniform
and
it
breeds
a
fear
and
that
fear
has
become
so
deep
that
in
these
conversations
there
wasn't
just
they
didn't
the
the
folks
they
didn't
share.
They
were
you
know
there
were
faculty
members.
There
were
pastors.
There
were
community
leaders,
they
were.
They
were
tutors
teachers
activists
when
they,
when
they
talked
about
that
fear.
V
It
wasn't
just
the
fear
of
the
interactions
in
the
day
to
day,
there's
a
fear
that
runs
so
deep
that
they're
afraid
of
this
conversation
that
we're
having
right
now
and
the
environment
that
it'll
create
they're.
Not
they
they
when,
when
folks
came
to
our
town
and
burned
black
lives
matter
with
black
lives,
matter's
flags.
V
That
was
what
they
were
afraid
of,
that
they're
afraid
of
the
idea
of
how
much
uncertainty
and
fear
and
anger
that
this
conversation
will
cause
among
a
certain
subset
of
our
population.
Folks
who
live
outside
of
our
community,
some
folks
who
live
in
our
community
they're
afraid
to
have
this
conversation
about
how
we
get
better
and.
V
And
I
I
we
need
to
have
it,
but
more
than
that
fear,
they
have
hope.
We've,
incidentally,
proposal
number
one
especially
this
is
this
is
a
great
set
of
recommendations,
but
proposal
number
one,
especially
what
we've
incidentally
done
is
shown
people
what
we
are
capable
of
a
power
that
we've
had
all
along
to
reform
from
the
ground
up
policing
in
our
community
and
and
now
that
we've
shown
them
that
that
capability.
I
I
think,
I
feel
pretty
strongly
that
we
have
to
set
that
path
forward.
V
We
have
to
pursue
it
now
that
we've
shown
what
we're
capable
of
we
have
to
see
it.
We
have
to
seize
it
and
if
we're
going
to
lay
our
hands
on
the
arc
of
history
here,
we
need
to
push
it
as
far
towards
justice,
as
we
can
recommendations
2
through
19
are
are
absolutely
absolutely
movement
in
the
right
direction,
but
number
one
if
that
gets
us
any
closer.
If
that
bends
the
arc
of
history
any
closer
towards
justice,
we
need
to
push.
V
I
feel
very
strongly
that
we
need
to
support
it.
I
feel
that
we
owe
it
to
these
folks
in
the
community.
The
folks
who
have
given
me
permission
to
bring
their
voices
into
this
room
tonight,
and
I
want
to
thank
everybody
who
shared
and
thank
everybody
on
council
and
thank
our
ipd
officers
for
the
amount
of
time
and
introspection
that
everybody's
put
into
this.
With
that.
AB
AB
I
wish
we
could
have
started
this
a
year
ago,
but
we
didn't-
and
I've
really
struggled
with
this
in
terms
of
what's
the
best
way
to
achieve
what
we've
been
hearing
from
the
report
in
terms
of
a
culture
change,
but
also
increasing
accountability
in
terms
of
public
safety
and
ipd,
and,
as
several
people
have
said,
every
organization
is
going
through
this
struggle.
Now
I
mean
I've.
I've
been
at
cornell,
we've
been
going
through
these
kinds
of
exercises
as
well
and
conversations
not.
AW
AB
But
there
would
be
other
branches,
the
community
service
workers.
I
think
travis
mentioned
this
idea
of
a
superintendent
of
public
work
of
public
public
works,
public
safety
which
to
me
that
made
a
lot
of
sense
to
give
this
organization
the
opportunity
we've
talked
about
how
people
are
going
to
work
more
effectively
together
to
me,
there
are
many
benefits
to
having
those
people
in
the
same
building
working
together.
AB
How
that
works
in
practice
is
going
to
be
very
difficult.
But
I
like
that
concept
of
having
this
broader
public
safety
department
that
involves
a
number
of
different
branches
that
really
work
very
closely
together,
and
I
think
tom
made
the
point
about
not
specifically
pigeonholing
these
branches
so
that
the
ipd
is
not
going
out
on
certain
types
of
calls.
B
Great,
thank
you.
I'm
gonna
put
lisa
on
the
spot.
I
know
that
we
can
see
the
chat,
but
the
public
cannot
so
some
of
what
you
typed
in
for
some
of
the
answers,
I
think,
are
just
good
to
be
included
so
that
the
public
can
hear
some
of
the
pieces
of
what
you
said
so
sorry
to
call
you
out,
but
it
would
be
great
if
you
could
talk
us
through
what
some
of
your
answers
were.
BA
You
all
always
go
this
way,
that's
what
I
want
to
know,
because
I
could
not
be
I'm
going
to
cancel
I'm
falling
asleep
over
here
and
not
because
this
is
not
a
riveting
conversation.
It's
actually
the
most
hopeful
one.
I
feel
like
I've
been
a
part
of,
and
I've
been
a
part
of
a
lot
of
these
conversations.
BA
BA
The
shorter
answer
is
yes,
the
more
straightforward
ones
are
where
I
s
the
of
the
recommendations
where
I
see
the
the
data
and
input
that
sean
and
I
were
charged
with
analyzing
are
recommendations:
1
2,
3,
4,
5,
6,
9,
10,
11,
13,
15,
16
and
17.,
and
so
my
guess
is
you
don't
want
me
to
go
through
why?
I
think
each
one
is
connected
to
the
other
ones.
BA
However,
if
that
becomes
a
point
of
conversation,
I'm
happy
to
come
back
at
some
other
time
earlier
in
the
day
and
explain
those,
but
I
just
in
general,
yes
and
then
the
other
question
that
I
answered
was
a
pre-submitted
question
that
asked.
Did
the
community
outreach
working
group
feel
that
they
were
included
in
the
process
and
that
their
work
was
reflected
in
the
recommendations?
BA
Again,
my
answer
would
be
yes,
and
I
do
think
it's
important,
because
I
know
this
has
been
a
point
that
I
believe
was
made
in
a
cornell
daily
sun
article
that
we
didn't
have
you
know,
input
into
the
recommendations.
So
I
think
it's
important
to
point
out.
The
working
groups
were
not
charged
with
making
or
writing
the
recommendations.
BA
See,
I'm
not
good
at
this
time.
Catch
me
at
like
eight
in
the
morning
and
I
you
would
have
been
first
the
group
that
we
were
a
part
of
the
working
group
that
we
were
part
of
was
charged
with
coming
up
with
the
methods
to
create,
run
and
populate
the
targeted
focus
groups.
We
and,
and
then
I
just
said
that
we
recently
convened
to
discuss
how
to
revisit
minoritized
communities
to
collect
feedback
on
the
proposal,
so
that,
and
that
was
largely
done
by
richard
tammy.
B
BA
We
were
only
you
know
sean
and
I
who
we
were
actually
on
another
working
group,
the
academic
and
something
otherwise,
you
know
working
group
and
which
charged
us
with
analyzing
the
focus
group
data
and
and
writing
the
what
became
appendix
ii.
And
so
that's
that's
also
we
did,
but
that
was
just
the
that
was
only
one
part
of
the
data
that
the
group
that
wrote
the
report
looked
at.
B
I
think
it
was
important
for
us
to
have
this
discussion
and
I
think
we
were
able
to
do
a
lot
of
listening,
which
I
think
has
been
really
important
for
those
of
us
that
are
going
to
have
to
move
forward
and
make
this
decision
just
try
to
to
summarize
a
few
things
out
of
our
conversation
this
evening,
and
then
we
just
need
to
make
a
decision
on
on
what
we're
going
to
do
next.
So
here's
what
I
heard
out
of
all
of
the
discussion
this
evening,
we
can't
do
nothing.
B
B
We
heard
very
clearly
from
people
this
evening
that
the
the
systems
and
processes
that
government
and
entities
like
this
have
in
place
do
not
lend
themselves
to
hear
the
voices
of
that
group.
So
we
need
to
remember
the
original
purpose
of
doing
this
work
that
we
need
to
move
forward
together
and
that
we
need
to
be
brave
together.
I
think
those
are
all
of
the
things
that
I
heard
that
are
that
that
are
at
least
where
we're
at
at
this
point.
B
So
I
don't
think
any
of
us
want
to
start
editing
a
resolution
on
the
floor
at
this
hour
and
I'll.
Have
anybody
from
council
fight
me
on
that?
If
they,
if
they
feel
that
that
is
a
place,
we
want
to
go
right
now,
so
I
guess
what
I
might
recommend
is.
We
have
had
several
variations
of
the
resolution
that
were
sent
around
to
you.
We
also
had
some
suggestions
put
in
from
the
pba
and
I
think
we
may
have
had
some
opportunities
to
really
do
that
self-reflection.
B
So
I
just
want
to
remind
everybody
that
our
really
what
we
will
end
up
voting
on
what
we
will
modify
is
the
language
and
the
resolution
and
any
of
the
recommendations
and
those
recommendations
that
are
specifically
the
city
recommendations
are
the
important
ones
for
us
to
focus
on
the
plan
itself
is
the
plan,
and
that
is
the
way
that
it
was
submitted
from
the
group
to
us
and
then
our
vote
will
actually
be
on
the
language
in
the
resolution.
So
we
will
not
be
editing
the
plan
we
will
be
looking
at
the
resolution.
B
Past
all
of
the
final
pieces
of
it
we
also
had
not
had
we
had
not
announced
that
on
march
31st,
there
would
be
public
comment
at
that.
I
think
we
have
had
a
lot
of
opportunity
for
comment
and
I
again
I
want
to
encourage
anyone
that
wants
to
provide
input
into
this
process,
emailing
us
and
contacting
us
via
phone
and
submitting
information
to
us.
We
are
reading
everything
that
you
send
and
we
are
taking
calls
and
we
are
trying
to
talk
to
as
many
as
many
people
as
possible.
B
So
if
everyone
is
agreeable,
we
can
end
the
meeting
here
and
know
that
on
the
31st
we
will
get
down
to
the
actual
work
of
editing
the
resolution,
and
I
will
just
ask
if
anyone
wants
to
have
any
additional
comments
before
we
have
six
minutes
that
we
have
to
vote
ourselves.
An
extension
to
this
meeting.
George.
BH
B
Well,
I
think,
in
the
interest
of
transparent,
we
should
try
to
do
as
much
of
it
in
public
as
possible.
What
we
can
do
is
provide
the
the
versions
of
what
people
have
submitted
as
part
of
the
agenda
for
march
31st.
So
people
have
an
opportunity
to
see
what
those
what
those
are,
but
I
do
feel
like
we
need
to
be
having
as
much
of
the
conversation
in
public
as
we
can
as
much
as
we
don't
like
editing
on
the
floor.
AE
BH
AU
B
I
believe
that
is
what
we
had
already
stated
that
that
we
had
the
publican
we've
had.
I
think,
four
opportunities
for
the
public
to
to
comment
and
that
the
31st
really
needs
to
be
used,
as
I'm
I'm
absolutely
open.
If
council
wants
to
add
an
additional
session,
but
I,
but
I
think
that
that
needs
to
be
an
add-on
to
the
meeting.
Not
necessarily
you
know
kind
of
a
repeat
of
what
we
had
this
evening,
but
I
I
very
sensitive
to
the
fact
that
this
is
extremely
important.
AU
That's
no!
That's
fine
with
me.
I
maybe
we
should
just
is
that?
Okay
with
everybody
on
council,
we
have
had
those
four
public
hearings
before
this
body.
So
far,
we've
had
dozens
in
the
last
month,
including
yet
another
one
with
the
high
schools
tomorrow
that
we're
doing
at
4
30
and
then
we've
all
received
thousands
of
emails.
Hundreds
of
phone
calls,
so,
okay
with
that
is
everybody
on
council.
Okay,
with
that,
yes,
yeah.
B
Certainly,
people
who
submitted
suggestions
may
have
heard
enough
this
evening,
where
I
think
a
lot
of
the
rewrites
that
we
we
saw
for
the
resolution
they're
variations
on
a
theme
right.
So
if,
if
the
people
who
submitted
things
might
want
to
come
to
some
kind
of
consensus
as
well,
that
might
make
it
easier
on
the
31st.
BH
B
BH
S
S
S
AB
A
Well,
I
mean
you
know
we
can
send
out
the
agenda
and
we
could
always
amend
it
later
if
it
takes
a
little
while
to
get
the
resolution
out,
it
would
be
good.
I
mean
the
meeting
is
on
wednesday,
so
if
we
could
have
the
I
mean
if
we
could
have
the
materials
posted
by
tuesday
night
at
the
very
latest,
if
there
are
any,
that
would
be
great.
A
B
S
Understood,
okay,
so,
let's
say
tuesday
at
noon
and
then
the
other
question
I
have
is
I'm
I'm
hearing
or
receiving
conflicting
information
with
regards
to
new
york,
state
law
and
the
allowance
of
a
civilian
chief
of
police.
And
I
was
wondering
if
we
could
get
a
determination
by
the
city
attorney
before
the
meeting
on
wednesday.
AE
Yeah
we've
we've
certainly
looked
at
that
issue
and
it
was
interesting
hearing
some
of
the
additional
perspectives
that
we
heard
this
evening.
So
we
will
look
at
that
issue.
Some
further,
that's
fine.
I
will
also
say
with
respect
to
the
compilation
of
the
agenda
that
was
just
being
discussed.
I
I
do
want
to
make
sure,
and
I
know
there
was
mention
of
open
meetings
law
a
moment
ago.
B
B
I
really
want
to
thank
everyone.
I
know
this
is
this:
is
tough
it's
hard
work.
It's
very
important.
The
engagement
level
of
everyone
this
evening
was
great.
All
of
your
contributions
were
important
and
meaningful,
and
I
think
we
did
have
an
opportunity
to
listen
to
one
another
and
learn
from
one
another,
and
that
is
really
the
only
way
that
we're
gonna
get
to
this
very
challenging,
but
but
very
important
work.
If
we,
if
we
try
to
move
this
forward
together,
so
I.