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From YouTube: October 13, 2021 Budget Meeting #1
Description
Ithaca Fire Department, Ithaca Police Department, Reimagining Public Safety Initiative, Department of Public Information & Technology, Human Resources Department
B
C
Thank
you
very
much.
Welcome
everybody
to
the
october
13th
meeting
of
the
common
council.
This
month,
cons
will
be
functioning
as
a
budget
committee
that
budget
committee
is
chaired
by
all
the
person.
Deb
mullenhoff,
as
as
the
chair
of
the
city
administration
committee,
so
she'll
be
leading
the
discussion
on
the
proposed
budget
and
marshalling
any
amendments
towards
a
vote
in
november.
So
I
will
pass
it
to
devs.
That's
all
right.
D
Yep,
that's
great,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
business
to
go
over
this
evening,
but
we
do
have
several
public
hearings
affiliated
with
the
budget
and
the
budget
process.
So
from
what
I
understand
from
julie,
we
have
two
speakers.
So
the
first
thing
we
need
to
do
is:
is
there
someone
willing
to
move
to
open
the
public
hearing?
I
see
graham
seconded
by
rob
so
all
those
in
favor
of
opening
our
public
hearing,
and
that
looks
unanimous.
Thank
you.
D
C
A
F
F
I
personally
don't
feel
this
is
a
good
use
of
tax
dollars
or
budget
allocation
for
the
city.
If
we
want
to
get
serious
about
actually
preventing
crime
in
the
city,
we
need
to
attack
crime
in
its
source,
poverty,
desperation,
access
to
resources,
more
money
for
the
police
will
not
somehow
magically
stop
crime,
and
it
never
has.
This
is
money.
We
need
to
start
investing
in
an
alternative
solution
for
public
safety.
F
We
need
it
for
subsidized
housing,
for
improving
transit
to
grocery
stores
and
hospitals,
attacking
the
reasons
why
people
commit
crimes
loading,
the
budget
for
police
salaries
will
only
cement
the
status
quo.
It
won't
stop
crime,
it'll
only
reward
cultures
of
fear
and
reactivity
building
back
in
better
ithaca
starts
with
seeking
out
and
funding
alternative
solutions
for
public
safety,
and
that's
what
I
wanted
to
say
today.
Thank
you.
C
G
I
I've
spoken
here
before
I'm
a
local
city
resident
and
in
the
second
ward
I
appreciate
your
tireless
work,
as
evidenced
by
these
extra
meetings
regarding
the
budget
yeah.
I
I
do
appreciate
that
our
tax
levy
looks
like
it
might
be
slightly
lower
this
year,
which
is
a
good
thing.
I
know
this
is
about
the
budget.
I
do
I'm
trying
to
find
some
way
of
raising
some
alarm
from
what
we
witnessed
in
the
last
meeting.
Instead
of
having
a
bunch
of
people
speak
on
a
topic,
that's
not
tonight
and
not
wasting
your
time.
I
He
said
emailing
messaging
web
browsing,
you
don't
you
need
about
100th
of
that
to
do
those
things,
but
the
more
important
pieces,
any
data
download
requirement
will
make
is
really
irrelevant,
because
these
speeds
cannot
be
fixed
or
they're
determinable.
It
depends
upon
a
lot
of
variables
anyway,
I
want.
Hopefully
you
are
aware
of
this.
I
D
Okay,
great
does,
and
then
we
just
need
a
motion
to
close
the
public
hearing,
graham
seconded,
by
rob
all
those
in
favor,
and
that
is
unanimous.
Thank
you,
okay.
So
here
we
are
our
marathon
october,
my
very
last
budget
process
and
several
other
people's
very
last
budget
process.
So
we
should
all
be
relatively
familiar
with
this
by
now,
but
I
do
we
do
have
a
newcomer
welcome,
patrick
and
faith
has
also
been
doing
her
absolute
best
to
try
to
to
be
on
top
of
of
this
process
as
well.
D
So
I
know
that
you
all
received
this
sort
of
detailed
agenda
and
supplemental
notes,
I'm
just
going
to
really
quickly
go
through
sort
of
what
we're
going
to
be
doing
over
the
next
few
meetings
and
then
we'll
kind
of
dig
in
a
little
bit.
So
hopefully
you
all
received
the
document
that
we
call
the
list.
That's
the
excel
spreadsheet
that
we
use
to
kind
of
build
the
base
for
ultimately
motions
that
we
will
make
to
the
budget.
So,
as
you
know,
the
mayor
presents
the
budget
and
sort
of
hands
it
over
to
council.
D
Any
modifications
that
we
want
to
make
to
the
mayor's
proposed
budget
have
to
be
done
through
sort
of
a
formal
motion
and
a
vote,
so
the
process
that
we've
worked
out
with
kind
of
minor
modifications
each
year
is
that
we
will
keep
track
in
one
master
list
of
all
of
the
changes
that
everyone
wants
to
make.
So
initially
that
list
is
made
up
of
the
ram
request,
that's
a
request
above
the
mayor's
budget
and
then
anything
that
council
wants
to
add
up
or
down.
D
D
So
there
I
sent
two
emails
earlier
today.
One
was
the
list
and
all
the
actual
rams.
So
in
the
attachments
there's
one
document,
that's
an
excel
spreadsheet,
that's
the
list
and
the
rest
are
then
the
actual
narratives
of
the
requests.
And
then
I
sent
an
email
a
little
bit
after
that
by
accident
from
my
tc3
email.
That's
all
the
narratives
that
we've
received
from
each
of
the
departments.
D
D
Normally
we
ask
our
chief
of
staff
to
keep
track
of
that
so
faith's
going
to
jump
in
as
soon
as
she
can
and
she-
and
I
have
been
kind
of
tag
teaming
this
process.
We've
become
fast
friends
in
the
past
24
hours,
it's
been
fabulous,
so
she's
going
to
do
our
best
to
help
that
with
that
so
essentially
we'll
go
through.
We
have
different
departments
slated
for
each
night.
We
do
have
the
list
of
questions
that
you've
already
asked.
That
also
doesn't
mean
that
you
can't
obviously
can't
ask
any
questions
throughout
the
process.
D
So
I
know
faith
has
been
working
to
kind
of
be
the
liaison
between
council
and
all
of
the
department
heads
to
get
the
information
to
all
the
questions
that
everybody
asked.
So
we
have
some
of
them
compiled
and
we'll
just
continue
to
compile
them
as
the
week
goes
on
before
tomorrow
night.
So
I
think
what
we're
going
to
do
this
evening
is
start
with
it's
kind
of
our
general,
what
we
call
general
questions
session.
D
D
D
D
J
L
So
it
really
depends
on
what
activity
is
taking
place
in
the
budget,
but
generally,
if
a
position
is
opened
up
during
the
year
or
stays
open,
those
funds
would
just
flow
into
the
the
fund
balance
of
that
particular
fund.
If
it's
in
general
fund
it
would
flow
into
fund
balance
or
it
would
be
used
to
like
in
the
police
department.
L
We
often
have
open
positions.
Those
funds
are
used
to
offset
increases
in
overtime,
for
instance
oftentimes
that
will
offset
the
overtime
increases
as
a
result
of
open
positions,
and
also
remember
that
when
someone
resigns
and
or
retires,
we
have
payouts
that
have
to
also
occur
during
that
time.
So
we
have,
you,
know
things
like
various
leave
time.
Accruals
have
to
be
paid
depending
on
the
contract
and
depending
on
the
situation,
so
those
will
also
be
included
there.
So
it
really
depends
george
on
what's
happening
in
the
budget.
J
Okay,
this
has
to
do
with
the
human
human
services
coalition,
and
cynthia
explained
this
to
me,
but
I
just
want
to
confirm
the
the
amount
in
this
year's
budget
is
102,
000
and
change,
and
last
year
it
was
39
000,
and
is
this
because
some
of
the
funds
from
last
year,
weren't
used
and
they're
just
brought
over
to
this
year?
What's
the
story
there.
L
Yeah,
so
on
the
human
services
coalition
funding,
their
normal
funding,
received
a
two
percent
increase,
like
all
the
other
community
service
agencies,
so
that
number
is
almost
thirty
nine
thousand
dollars.
In
addition,
they
had
asked
for
arpa
funding
for
during
covid
we
they
were
not
able
to
because
of
sales
tax
losses.
They
were
not
able
to
fund
fully
the
community
service
agencies,
so
they
asked
for
an
additional
six,
almost
63
thousand
dollars
to
be
used
to
go
towards
next
year.
L
2022's
community
service
funding
of
those
agencies
that
actually
lost
funding
due
to
our
loss
of
sales
tax,
because
we
have
a
sales
tax
agreement
with
the
county
and
part
of
that
is
that
some
of
the
money
goes
to
human
service
coalition,
and
then
they
allocate
funds
to
local
organizations
on
an
annual
basis
and,
though
that
that
number
on
an
annual
basis
changes
depending
on
our
collections,
the
previous
years
for
2022,
that
amount
would
be
roughly
472
thousand
dollars
that
would
be
allocated
for
to
those
agencies.
So
that's
what
they
were
asking.
G
D
No,
no,
no!
It's
okay!
I
think
I'm
I'm
hoping
like
kathy
schlatter
or
someone
can
be
there
as
well,
but
this
this
is
that
pot
of
money
that
we
use
every
year.
That's
that
very
challenging
equation.
To
figure
out
where
program
committee
of
the
human
services
coalition
has
a
vetting
process
and
they
actually
assist
the
county
and
the
city
in
distributing
funds
to
a
whole
series
of
non-profit
organizations.
So
that's
what
that
slice
of
that
funding
is
got
it
yep
and
we
can.
If
you
have
any
specific
questions
about
it.
D
D
K
K
D
B
C
K
M
C
C
There's
also
funding
in
the
budget
for
our
management
and
confidential
employees
that
are
moving
along
their
salary
compensation
plan
that
study
that
we've
got
so
the
funding
is
in
the
budget
for
that
there's
also
funding
in
the
budget
for
the
increases
that
are
scheduled
for
all
of
their
employees,
who
have
current
contracts
with
the
collective
bargaining
units.
So
csea,
for
example,
that
we
just
signed
a
deal
with
we'll
see
their
salaries,
increasing
the
pace
that
money
is
in
the
budget
to
get
to.
B
C
D
D
K
D
M
I
saw
a
couple
items
in
the
the
capital
budget
that
seemed
to
me
like
they
were
operating
items.
So
it's
been
my
understanding
that
stuff
that
goes
in
the
capital
budget
are
plants
and
equipment,
property
and
equipment
and
machinery
that
needs
to
be
amortized
over
a
period
of
years
or
that
we
might
borrow
to
pay
for
so,
let's
have
a
can
we
have
a
quick
review
of
what's
most
suitable
for
the
capital
budget
versus,
what's
most
suitable
for
the
operating
budget.
M
D
I
know
steve
can
probably
answer
this,
but
I
know
one
thread
to
this
answer
is
that
we
sort
of
merged
capital,
project
planning
and
arpa
funds,
so
they
sort
of
went
through
the
same
process.
So
I
feel
like
some
of
the
stuff
that
we
actually
put
under
the
umbrella
of
capital
funding,
was
really
also
the
allocation
of
the
arpa
funds
as
well
so
steve.
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
do
more
detailed
conversation
around
that.
L
Yeah
deb,
that's
exactly
right,
because
we
combined
those
funds,
arpa
funding
and
capital.
What
we
thought
was
a
little
easier
was
the
show
kind
of
all
these
items
as
a
separate
project,
so
yeah
generally.
What
I
would
tell
you
and
what
you've
heard
from
me
is
that
capital
items
should
not
really
be
things
that
are
maintenance,
oriented
or
operational
oriented,
although
sometimes
we
do
do
issue
bonds
for
those
things.
L
But
what
you
see
in
the
current
capital
list,
like
the
reach
programs,
revenue
shortfalls,
those
are
funded
by
arpa
funds,
and
I
just
we're
just
showing
those.
So
you
can
see
that's
what
we're
using
the
funds
for
here
and
then
we
can
keep
track
separately
of
those
of
those
particular
not
really
projects
but
expenditure
blocks,
because
we
have
some
very,
very
restricted
ways.
L
We
can
use
the
funds
and
also
very
heavy
requirements
on
reporting
of
these
funds,
so
we
want
to
just
keep
track
of
these
very
carefully,
and
so
that
was
our
attempt
to
do
that,
but
yeah
donna
you're
exactly
right.
Normally,
you
wouldn't
see
us
funding
something
like
that
in
the
capital
program.
It's
not
really
capital,
but
we
just
wanted
to
show
it
separately
through
this
process.
That's
a
little
different
this
year,
because
we
have
this
extra
funding
from
the
arpa
funds.
D
O
L
D
Was
there
anything
else
on
the
list
faith?
I
didn't
see
anything
more,
okay,
great,
so
any
questions
on
process
and
if
we
don't
have
any
more,
I
think
what
we'll
do
is:
we've
got
fire
department,
police
department,
reimagining,
public
safety
and
then
public
information,
technology
and
human
resources
all
on
the
schedule
for
tonight,
which
is
a
which
is
kind
of
a
little
bit
of
a
heavy
lift.
So
if
we're
ready
we'll
go
we'll
go
into
that
and
then
we
do
have
a
request
above
the
mayor's
budget
for
fire
department,
two
of
them.
D
K
C
G
C
D
G
L
We
would
take
a
look
at
each
one
of
these
if
you
so
desire
to
include
them
in
the
budget
and
then
look
at
our
our
revenue
contribution
line,
which
is
in
the
revenues
as
a
one
as
a
large
sump
sum,
and
we
would,
you
know,
decide
if
the
30
1.48
needs
to
be
adjusted
there.
So
we'll
look
at
each
one
of
those
if
you,
if
you
approve
those
okay,
because
just
so
you
know
what
happens,
is
on
an
annual
basis.
L
Tom
is
excellent
with
his
budget,
so
sometimes
he
comes
in
under
budget,
and
then
we
you
know,
so
we
have
to
be
very
careful
on
how
much
we
put
in
there
for
revenues.
So
we
we
take
a
close
look
at
that
and
determine
what
we
think
is
a
good,
solid
number
that
will
at
least
achieve
during
the
upcoming
year.
D
H
And
they're
just
ranked
in
the
order
of
the
request
for
above
the
mayor's
budget
in
this
budget.
There
are
also
two
capital
projects
that
were
already
into
the
budget
which
are
to
do
design
work
as
far
as
renovation
of
the
three
existing
fire
stations
and
also
there's
a
separate
capital
project
for
work
on
the
east
hill
fire
station.
H
But
jumping
to
my
request,
this
request
is
goes
back
to
I
think
2015
when
I
started
submitting
this
one
for
the
train,
fire
training
center
and
we
are
working
with
the
county,
because
the
county
and
the
city
have
a
joint
interest
and
also
a
partnership
as
far
as
operating
the
training
center.
Both
fire
departments
in
tompkins
county
have
access
to
it
and
can
use
it
at
no
charge
because
the
county
contributes
to
its
maintenance
and
uptake
in
the
city.
H
H
One
is
the
what
I'll
call
the
burn
building
it's
the
cinder
bot,
building
that
that's
that's
towards
the
front
of
the
site
for
those
of
you
who've
driven
by
it,
and
then
the
second
structure
is
the
rope
tower.
Both
of
these
have
reached
their
end
of
useful
life,
the
rope
structure.
We
could
probably
get
a
few
more
years,
but
we're
going
to
end
up
spending
a
fair
amount
of
money
to
extend
its
life.
The
masonry
building
out
front
is
beyond
repair.
H
H
New
structures
to
replace
these
two,
we
would
also
look
because
I
know
it.
The
location
for
the
training
center
is
not
desirable.
This
training
center
has
been
there
since
the
early
1960s,
and
what
we'll
look
at
is
other
locations
where
we
might
be
able
to
locate
a
new
new
training
structure,
but
the
the
purpose
of
this
money
is
just
to
start
studying
and
look
into
it
and
spend
a
little
time
with
a
design
professional.
E
N
G
You
deb
so
tom.
I
got
a
question,
so
this
is
kind
of
project
I
think
I
mean
whatever
it's
merits
that
might
be
more
suitable,
as
you
said,
for
with
for
capital
project
or
for
the
recovery
fund.
So
can
you
tell
me
was
this
proposed
in
the
capital
budget
process
and
then
the
committee
didn't
support
it
or
how
has
this
come
up
to
be
as
a
request
above
the
nurse
budget,
rather
than
included.
H
Yeah
this
was
a
capital
funding
request.
Okay,
this
is
seed
money.
To
get
this,
the
conversation
started
to
look
at
what
our
options
are
and
then
to
come
up
with
some
estimates
of
cost
for
a
project
next
year,
the
year
after
which
we
would
take
a
look
at
a
joint
funding
venture
between
the
tompkins
county
and
the
city.
C
O
I'm
would
be
much
more
enthusiastic
with
regards
to
it
if
there
was
a
commitment
to
relocate
the
facility
to
another
location,
as
you
mentioned,
it's
less
than
desirable
to
have
this
sort
of
activity
right
there
on
parkland
adjacent
to
the
water,
especially
with
recent
concerns
with
the
impact
of
fire,
retardance,
the
environmental
impact
of
fire,
retardance
and
so
on,
especially
in
water
and
so
and
so
forth.
I'd
very
much
like
to
see
this
located
at
another
site.
H
Just
just
one
comment
about
fire
retardants:
we
do
not
use
any
fire
retardants
for
training
purposes
down.
There
haven't
for
quite
a
number
of
years,
so
there's
there's
nothing
been
down
there,
there's
nothing
down
there
that
that
we're
using
currently
that
would
be
environmentally
hazardous.
It's
just
we're
using
water.
That's
a
and
the
combustibles
that
we
we
use
are
ordinary
combustibles.
H
O
H
O
H
O
I
think
I
still
keep
my
concern.
I'm
happy
to
hear
that
those
materials
are
not
being
used
next
to
the
water,
but
again
this
type
of
activity
being
right
there
on
parkland
next
to
the
water
seems
less
than
ideal.
So
hopefully
another
location
can
be
found
and
my
support
for
it
would
really
depend
on
that
too.
P
H
Yeah
other
other
county
departments-
cortland
county,
for
instance,
used
to
come
over
and
use
our
facility,
but
they
have
built
their
own
facility
and
over
in
cortlandville,
so
they're
they're
in
pretty
good
shape
in
cortland
county.
We
do
have
occasional
outside
agencies
that
do
come
in
and
use
the
training
center.
The
state
of
new
york
has
used
it.
H
P
H
H
We
have
several
vehicles
that
are
12
14
years
old.
That
you
know
are
eventually
going
to
have
to
be
replaced
and
I've
been
spreading
them
out
yeah
every
year
or
every
other
year
to
replace
them
out
of
the
operating
budget.
I've
avoided
the
capital
budget.
I
know
steve
shaking
his
head.
He
knows
that,
and
so
we're
trying
to
build
this
this
this
budget
item
into
our
indoor
into
the
department's
budget.
So
we
can
replace.
H
There
are
several
years
back
in
the
in
the
mid
teens
where
we
could
not
afford
to
replace
a
vehicle
just
because
the
budget
was
so
restricted.
There
wasn't
a
lot
of
funds
to
do
that.
So,
in
the
last
couple
years
we've
stopped
we've
trying
to
get
caught
up,
and
this
was
just
another
year
that
we
were
trying
to
keep
the
process
going.
This
the
this
would
be
our
first
venture
into
an
all-electric
vehicle.
We've
we're
looking
at
buying
electric
pickup
truck
and
it'll.
H
This
vehicle,
we're
looking
at
is
made
by
ford
ford,
has
a
long
history
of
producing
vehicles
for
public
safety
and
emergency
services.
They
provide
special
provisions
on
the
vehicle,
so
it
can
support
emergency
lighting
and
and
has
the
extra
wiring
and
supports
the
radios
and
things
that
that
are
in
vehicles.
So
we're
expecting
that
ford's
going
to
come
out
with
a
special
services
vehicle
in
this
pickup
when
it
starts
production
next
year,
and
we
would
like
to
have
the
funding
to
get
an
order
in
whether
we
see
it
next
year
or
not.
O
Thank
you.
Have
you
evaluated
the
concerns
with
regards
to
resiliency
or
one
of
the
things
that
obviously,
some
cities
have
experienced
large
storm
events
that
hit
multiple
systems
at
once,
where
you
have
your
your
power
grid
that
goes
down
for
days
on
end
and
if
we
don't
have,
if
we
have
cars
that
are
relying
on
on
electricity
to
be
charged,
and
we
don't
have
system-wide
power
for
several
days,
is
this
something
that
would
affect
the
applicability
of
of
this
vehicle.
H
We
we
currently
have
three
hybrids.
One
of
the
nice
things
about
a
fire
station
is
every
one
of
them.
Has
an
emergency
backup
generator
that
that's
capable
of
keeping
the
building
powered
up
for
operational
purposes,
but
I
believe,
there's
enough
capacity
on
the
generator
it
would
be
able
to
charge
at
least
one
maybe
couple
electric
vehicles
so
we're
we're.
We.
H
I
had
that
well
in
my
well
in
my
thoughts
when,
when
that,
when
we
proposed
a
full
electric,
is
that
we
would
have
the
ability
to
recharge
it
here,
plus
the
ford
vehicle
that
that's
being
produced
is
going
to
have
one
of
the
most
extended
range
drive
trains
in
the
industry.
So
I
think
it's
going
to
be
one
is
the
vehicle
we're
looking
at
is
going
to
have
a
long
range,
long
duration,
but,
secondly,
is
we'll
be
able
to
charge
it
from
the
generator
here
at
the
fire
station.
D
D
Q
D
K
D
Yeah,
I
think,
let's
just
stick
to
the
one.
What
I'm
looking
at
here,
it
looks
like
specific
ipd
questions
were
related
specifically
to
the
two
police
officers.
Right,
I
don't
know
if
you
wanted
to
just
give
us
an
overview
of
you
know.
There
was
one
question
was:
is
that
the
cost
for
both
officers
or
each
one
individually?
D
There
was
also
a
question
about
if
the
positions
are
listed
as
restored
are
new
or
are
those
carryover
from
councils
that
approved
in
2021
but
aren't
filled.
So
I
don't
know
chief
if
you
just
want
to
give
us
an
overview
of
sort
of
where
you're
at
right
now
with
hiring
and
how
many
vacancies
you
have
and
tell
us
a
little
bit
about
these
two
positions.
Q
So
these
these
two
positions
are
new
positions:
they're,
not
not
carryovers.
I
had
requested
three.
The
mayor
has
put
two
into
the
budget,
which
will
still
help
us
greatly.
We
are,
as
several
of
you
know,
we've
talked
quite
a
bit
about
our
staffing
levels
here
at
ipd,
so
the
numbers
in
the
budget
jame
ramirez,
put
those
in
there
based
on
the
cost
of
the
two
positions
being
added
into
the
budget
and
essentially
where
we
are
currently
with
our
staffing.
Q
Is
we
have
three
funded
positions
available
right
now,
we're
actively
you
know,
working
through
the
civil
service
list,
we've
extended
one
one
offer
right
now
so
fingers
crossed
everything
will
work
out
with
the
background
and
all
the
required
psychological
medicals,
and
then
we'll
we'll
be
down
to
two,
and
then
these
two
will
be
additional.
We're
expect
there
are
seven
employees
that
are
eligible
to
be
retiring
next
year.
Q
You
know,
I
don't
know
that
they
will
not
expect
them
all
to
leave
next
year,
but
you
know
certainly
a
possibility
we'll
have
seven
of
eligible
to
retire
next
year.
I
also
have
a
vacant
sergeant
position
right
now
that
we
have
not
filled
just
because
we're
really
trying
to
get
the
most
mileage
out
of
what
we
have
right
now
and
we're
just
really
short-handed
for
our
patrol
division.
We
have
22
officers
assigned
across
all
three
ships
right
now,
which
is
the
lowest
number
of
actual
officers
on
the
street.
Q
Q
Q
We
have
two
officers
that
were
injured
outside
of
work
off
duty
that
are
out
of
work
right
now,
unable
to
report
for
duty
from
their
doctors,
and
then
we
have
another
officer.
That's
out
on,
I
think
another,
four
weeks
of
parental
leave,
so
we
are
to
say
that
we
are,
you
know,
short,
is
really
not.
I
don't
think
incorporate
encapsulating
the
stress
that
we
have
right
now,
so
we're
actively
working
the
other
part.
Q
Currently,
if
we,
when
we
hire
people
off
the
civil
service
list
that
are
not
certified,
we
have
to
wait
for
a
regional
academy
to
start
so
right
now.
The
next
regional
academy
is
scheduled
at
the
end
of
december,
so
assuming
that
that
actually
starts
in
december
or
it
could
possibly
be
pushed
to
january,
but
we
would
be.
Q
So
you
know,
along
with
that,
we
would
also
save
all
the
cost
of
salary
and
benefits
for
that
extended
time
that
the
officers
were
in
training
and
we
would
have
you
know
much
faster,
fully
operational
officer.
Basically,
so
that's
that's
kind
of
part
of
where
we're
at
so
that
would
bring
us
to
basically
the
three
that
we
have
now
and
then
the
two
additional
for
next
year
would
allow
us
to
hire
five.
Q
Q
But
you
know
if
we
have
even
a
third
of
the
eligible
people
retire
next
year,
we'll
be
really
in
a
tough
spot
if
we're
just
working
through
the
civil
service
list.
We've
almost
exhausted
the
current
list
now
and
the
state
denied
our
application
for
an
early
test
on
2022,
so
we're
going
to
be
stuck
with
a
september
date
for
our
next
civil
service
test,
and
then
it's
generally
two
to
three
months
after
that
for
us
to
get
the
certified
list
and
be
able
to
start
working
through
that.
N
Graham,
I
know
the
the
timing
constraint,
for
the
test
is
something
that
we've
talked
about
in
a
number
of
meetings.
You
said
you
applied
and
it
was
not
approved
to
have
an
earlier
civil
service
test.
So
waiting
a
full
year
for
the
test
again.
Is
there?
Is
there
anything
to
do
to
appeal
that
decision.
Q
Q
C
Yeah,
sorry
I'll
just
add
the
faith,
and
I
actually
discussed
this
just
today,
making
another
run
at
the
state
not
only
appealing
on
on
our
math,
but
I
think
it
may
be
helpful
if
I
round
up
some
of
my
colleagues
in
the
new
york
conference
of
mayors,
they're
all
dealing
with
the
exact
same
problem,
they
they're
short
staffed
on
officers.
They
they
can't
hire
fast
enough
and
the
list
is
holding
them
back.
Q
Rochester
and
ana
county
are
under
a
federal
court
order
that
I
believe
that
they
are
mandated
to
have
a
test
every
six
months.
It's
either
every
six
months
or
every
year.
I
believe
it's
every
six
months
and
so
because
they're
under
court
order,
the
state
apparently
has
to
provide
them
with
the
opportunity.
D
G
Thank
you
deb.
So
a
couple
of
questions,
so
chief,
you
mentioned
the
natural
transfers.
I
I
see
in
the
contingency
there's
40
000,
for
the
signing
bonus
I
mean.
Is
that
a
reasonable
kind
of
expectation?
I
know
you
may
not
get
hundreds
of
lateral
transfers,
but
is
that
a
reasonable
amount
in
contingency
for
your
expectations
of
the
possibility
of
lateral
transfers
next
year.
Q
G
Sure
that
sounds
great
and
then
a
second
question.
I
guess
this
might
be
for
maybe
for
steve
or
jamie.
So
can
you
actually
tell
us
what's
in
the
budget,
for
the
cost
of
the
new,
the
two
positions
and
whether
that
hiring
timetable
is
factored
in
like
they
won't
be
starting,
presumably
january
1.?
So
have
you
factored
that
in
or
or
how
does
that
get
put
into
the
budget
for
next
year?.
R
Come
in
as
laterals,
they
wouldn't
start
at
that's
a
first
step
in
police
officers,
so
it
might
be
a
little
off
if
we
bring
in
a
lateral
step
two
or
step
three.
It
would
have
to
be
a
little
bit
more,
but
we
budgeted
for
the
two
positions
or
the
amount
that
the
budget
was
increased,
was
for
two
positions
at
a
starting
salary.
G
B
L
L
M
M
M
Let's
just
keep
that
in
mind
is
something
that
really
needs
to
be
changed
so.
Secondly,
john,
could
you
just
give
me
a
tally
of
so
how
many
excluding
these
two
that
you
just
asked
for
that
that
are
in
the
budget?
How
many
offices
do
you
currently
have
funded
and
then
subtract
out
the
ones
that
are
vacant
and
the
ones
that
are
on
various
kinds
of
leaves.
Q
Q
M
M
Q
M
Wow,
okay
and
I'll
I'll
say
again
what
I've
said
in
years
past.
I
wish
that
some
kind
of
study
or
analysis
could
be
done
to
figure
out
if
this
level
of
leaves
and
absences
is
normal
for
a
police
department
in
new
york
state
or
how
it
could
be
managed,
but
I'm
just
I
don't
expect
an
answer
right
now,
I'm
just
putting
it
out
there
as
something
that
I
continue
to
think
would
be
good
to
analyze.
O
E
T
C
Q
If
we're
able
to
get
you
know,
if
we're
able
to
get
authorized
for
the
test
in
may,
then
we
would
be
able
to
open
it
up
to
any
other
anyone
in
the
state
that
is
going
to
take
the
test,
whether
it's
rochester,
onodaga
and
likely.
If
they
approve
ours,
maybe
they
would
approve
other
depart
other
jurisdictions
as
well.
So
we
could
potentially,
if,
if
we
can
get
on
the
list,
then
we
would
be
able
to
have
other
officers.
Q
O
Q
C
J
Q
Q
So
I
have
13
officers
that
are
on
the
roster,
but
not
eligible
to
work,
currently
yep
and
then
I
have
three
funded
officer
positions
right
now:
yep
one
chief's
position
which
can't
be
filled
at
the
bottom
until
it
gets
filled
to
the
top.
But
and
then
I
have
one
sergeant
position,
that's
vacant,
which
would
create
an
officer
position
once
it's
filled.
J
Q
I
think
it's
you
know
it's
an
individual
evaluation.
Each
time
you
know
the
benefit
to
hiring
off
the
list
is
that
you
know
if
they're
happy
they'll
be
here
for
20
years.
You
know
we'll
get
a
long-term
return
on
that
and
we
would
be
able
to
train
them
from
the
beginning
and
acclimate
them
to
this
community
right
out
of
the
the
gate.
Q
However,
you
know
in
working
through
the
civil
service
list.
We
are
having
an
awful
hard
time.
You
know
finding
people
that
can
meet
the
standards
and
and
pass
the
background
so
the
on
the
other
side
of
it.
If
we
hire
laterals
generally,
they
would
have
already
gone
through
a
background
process,
so
we
would
still
certainly
do
our
own
and
we
wouldn't
have
any
different
standard
as
far
as
bringing
them
in
but
likely
you
know
they
would
have.
Q
P
E
D
So
now
we
have,
we
had
reimagining
public
safety.
We
did
have
several
questions
on
that,
and
I
know
the
mayor
has
sent
some
additional
information
around
early
this
afternoon.
So
I'm
not
sure
what
the
best
way
is
to
tackle.
It
looks
like
the
m
and
faith
can
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong.
It
looks
like
the
majority
of
the
questions
were
to
get
a
little
bit
more
of
a
detailed
or
drilled
down
answer
into
the
307
000
reimagining
implementation
and
400
000
startup
costs
for
public
safety.
B
C
Yeah,
so
maybe
I
could
just
walk
counsel
through
those
two
different
funds.
What
I'm
trying
to
do
here
is
that,
as
you
all
know,
especially
the
the
three
members
of
council
who
are
our
liaisons
working
group,
the
working
group
is
still
working.
We
hope
that
they
would
have
budget
recommendations
by
now,
but
they
have
not
yet
reached
that
part
of
the
process
so
that
that
information.
I
wanted
to
hold
enough
funds
to
give
council
flexibility
next
year,
when
the
working
group
does
make
their
recommendations
on
recommendation
more
right.
C
To
recap:
the
reimagining
public
safety
was,
of
course,
an
order
from
the
governor
to
reexamine
how
we
deliver
public
safety
services,
especially
to
improve
trust
connection
and
safety
between
law
enforcement
communities
of
color.
The
council
passed
a
sweeping
resolution.
There
was
recommendation,
one
which
was
to
design
a
new
department,
that's
what
the
working
group
was
working
on
and
then
there
was
recommendations,
two
through
19
or
17.
C
The
remainder,
that's
what
the
307
000
is
for
recommendations
two
and
down.
So
what
you
see
in
the
the
breakout
chart
of
the
attachment
I
sent
that's
titled
topkins
county
rps,
2022
budget
submissions
you'll
see
a
total
cost,
that
is
about
605
000,
and
that
is
split
between
the
city
and
the
county.
So,
first,
the
largest
expense
is
the
community
justice
center
staffing
and
programming.
C
The
county
is
along
with
an
advisory
board
that
includes
members
of
council
looking
to
hire
that
community
justice
center
staffing
they'll
be
in
charge
of
implementing
the
recommendations
the
city
of
ithaca
share,
for
that
is
about
137
000.
The
comprehensive
community
healing
plan,
a
piece
we
thought
was
really
important
to
build.
Bridges
is
split.
That's
80,
000,
total
split
between
the
county
and
the
city,
alternative
response
model,
research
against
split
for
a
total
city
cost
of
12.5
thousand
offers
a
well
wellness
program.
C
We
want
to
develop
an
officer
wellness
program
projected
to
cost
40
000.
The
city
of
ithaca
share
would
be
20,
000.,
culturally
responsive
recruitment
strategy,
total
cost
of
35,
000
split
in
half,
that's
17
and
a
half
thousand
from
the
city
of
ithaca
and
the
traffic
calming
and
control
study.
This
is
a
again
a
way
that
we
can
reduce
conflicts
between
law
enforcement,
members
of
the
community,
it's
by
investing
in
traffic
homing,
so
that
the
streets
are
safer
without
the
need
for
added
enforcement.
S
C
That
up
it
comes
to
about
307
000
that
matches,
so
all
of
those
are
obviously
matched
by
county
investment.
There's
also
a
hope,
there's
an
outside
chance
that
the
state
could
follow
up
with
funding
either
through
their
next
budget
or
we
could
submit
to
with,
along
with
the
county
for
shared
services
reimbursement
as
the
county
is
still
trying
to
encourage
sorry,
the
state
is
still
trying
to
encourage
counties
and
municipalities
to
get
along
on
the
defense.
C
The
400
000
is
is
more
of
an
estimate.
You
know
the
working
group
is
still
going
through
call
delineation,
naming
conventions
needs
for
training
needs
for
equipment,
and
I
really
had
to
make
a
guess.
I
I
worked
up
based
on
the
a
potential
narrative,
and
this
is
just
one
scenario
you'll
see.
This
was
also
the
scenario
that
was
presented
to
council
back
in
way
back
in
february
march.
Whenever
it
was,
this
resolution
was
first
voted
on.
C
M
C
C
It's
hard
to
build
that
trust
back
up
again,
especially
without
an
airing
of
grievances,
is
the
wrong
word,
but
the
the
kind
of
hard
but
necessary
work.
It
takes
to
come
to
terms
with
our
real
history
and
a
real
past.
Mary
tomlin
actually
did
a
great
job
of
getting
started
on
this
as
city
historians,
sort
of
her
last
project
doing
a
deep
dive
into
the
history
of
policing
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
K
M
K
B
C
E
B
C
K
D
N
Go
ahead
yeah
I
will
say
that
cynthia
and
I
are
currently
serving
on
what
is
to
be
a
temporary
board.
Looking
at
developing
the
cjc
advisory
board,
we've
had
a
couple
of
meetings
that
have
been
very
productive.
These
are
meetings
that
include
both
city
and
county
leaders
or
elected
representatives,
who
will
be
making
recommendations
on
a
more
permanent
advisory
board
to
work
with
the
cjc.
M
K
C
So,
yes,
the
the
director
would
oversee
the
person
responsible
for
police
operations,
which
is
currently
the
police
chief.
That
could
be
an
added
layer
on
top
or
you
could
flatten
the
layers
of
administration
by
removing
or
reassigning
one
or
more
of
the
deputy
chief
positions
into
a
lieutenant's
role.
It's
not
clear!
C
That's
what
the
working
group
is
discussing
right
now,
the
unarmed
workers,
the
vision
there
is
for
them
to
deal
with
public
safety
needs
that
are
not
carceral
in
nature
that
are
not
likely
to
lead
to
arrests,
but
still
require
a
response
so
again
not
getting
ahead
of
the
working
group,
because
I
can't
get
ahead
of
them.
They're
they're,
ahead
of
me
frankly
at
this
point,
because
they're
deeper
in
this
than
I
am,
but
you
know,
cat
and
tree
barking
dog.
D
C
For
which
you
know,
maybe
a
call
for
service
comes
in,
we
want
to
dispatch.
Maybe
we
just
want
more
walking
to
happen
in
the
city.
We
want
city
of
ithaca,
public
safety
employees
to
be
walking
around
in
a
certain
neighborhood
talking
to
folks
and
engaging
them
is
what
the
unarmed
workers
would
do.
But
the
call
delineation
is
a
is
a
huge
lift
for
the
working
group
and
they're
working
through
that
as
we
speak,.
M
C
I
could
also
see,
I
should
add,
I
think,
ticketing
parking
ticket
enforcement
off
hours.
You
might
know
that
we
only
have
community
solutions
officers
on
during
the
daytime,
but
there's
also
a
manner
of
parking
shenanigans
that
happens
at
night.
That
only
goes
in
force
if
our
police
officers
are
doing.
B
C
C
C
N
Laura
yeah
I'll
just
add
the
working
group
has
spent
quite
a
bit
of
time,
looking
at
9-1-1
calls
at
delineated
calls
and
discussing
whether
it's
best
for
a
particular
call
type
to
have
an
armed
response,
an
unarmed
response,
a
co-response
or
something
that
is
completely
alternative
to
that.
So
are
there
things
that
could
be
done
online,
for
example,
reporting
certain.
N
I
your
example
of
ticketing
made
me
think
of
that
you
know:
are
there
things
that
can
be
done
by
a
resident,
a
citizen
filing
something
online
rather
than
calling
for
a
in-person
response,
whether
that
is
from
an
armed
and
unarmed
or
a
co-response?
So
all
of
that
is
being
discussed
within
the
working
group.
D
K
K
D
O
A
A
A
lot
of
these
events
bring
in
you
know
they
have
not
only
local
draws,
but
regional
draws
that
fill
up
our
hotel
rooms,
our
restaurants
and,
and
all
the
same,
so
I
it'll
be
nice
to
have
someone
dedicated
just
to
helping
facilitate
those
events.
There's
a
lot
of
moving
parts,
there's
a
lot
of
coordination
that
happens
between
the
police
department,
the
fire
department,
the
department
of
public
works
and
the
event
coordinators.
A
As
you
know,
because
I've
talked
to
you
many
times
about
the
increased
regulations
from
new
york,
state
department
of
health
and
new
york,
state
fire
codes
and,
and
all
of
that
that
there's
just
a
lot
of
work
with
safety
plans
and
the
fire
chief
did
a
did.
A
lot
of
work.
This
season,
working
with
event
coordinators,
making
sure
that
they
had
trained
crowd
managers,
and
that
becomes
all
that
much
more
important.
Now,
after
you've
heard
from
the
police
chief
and
what
his
staffing
levels
look
like
you
know,
so
it
will.
A
It
will
relieve
a
huge
burden
out
of
my
office.
It
will
hand
it
to
a
person
dedicated
to
just
that
and
other
event
type
work.
So
I
I
think
this
is
very
sorely
needed.
I'm
very
excited
that
you're
considering
it-
and
I
know
I
can
pull
a
team
of
probably
10
people
plus
to
advocate
for
it.
If
people
are
questioning
whether
it's
a
worthy
cause
or
not,.
N
Yeah,
I
don't
have
a
question
as
much
as
a
comment.
I
don't
think
we
could
have
a
more
dramatic
poignant
moment
in
the
city's
history
than
during
this
pandemic,
to
argue
for
the
needs
of
upgrades
to
our
technology
in
terms
of
the
cyber
security,
and
you
know
when
I
try
to
get
on
meetings
and
can't
get
on.
It
is
not
serving
the
public
as
well
as
possible,
so
an
upgrade
in
computers
in
technology
services.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
mention
is
that
the
while
city
hall
was
closed
to
the
public.
N
The
city
clerk's
office
received
a
lot.
I
don't
know
how
to
quantify
it
julie,
but
a
lot
of
phone
calls
from
people
who
needed
people
the
public
who
needed
to
do
certain
things
that
under
normal
in
the
before
times,
we
would
all
have
the
opportunity
to
stop
in
city
hall,
whether
it's
going
to
the
chamberlain's
office.
It's
going
to
any
offices
in
city
hall
and
julie
and
her
staff
have
been
in
the
position
of
really
being
the
sort
of
information
central
during
this
time
that
city
hall
has
been
closed.
A
A
I
asked
a
lot
of
them.
They
did.
They
responded.
Amazingly,
the
capital
projects
you
see
ahead
of.
You
will
really
help
our
cause
in
securing
the
city's
investment
in
its
technology
infrastructure,
but
this
year
we're
really
focused
on
you
know
we're
a
small
department.
We
have
eight
people
total
and
we
have
three
vacancies
right
now,
so
we
are
real
and
soon
to
be
four.
A
So
we
are
really
focusing
on
finding
quality
candidates
to
fill
those
positions,
getting
them
trained
up
quickly
so
that
they
can
hit
the
ground
running
and
that
we
can
just
continue
where
we're
going.
So
that's
our
primary
focus
for
2022,
for
the
remainder
of
2021
and
for
2022,
but
we
certainly
have
a
lot
of
work
to
do
a
lot
of
work
that
got
pushed
off
to
the
sidelines
while
we
were
addressing
emergent
needs
so
everything
this
budget
provides.
A
G
G
Event,
coordinators
out,
I
guess
a
20-hour
position,
but
also
in
the
mayor's
budget,
and
I
really
think
this
is
needed,
but
also
in
the
mayor's
budget.
I
remember
some
details
about
economic
development
in
terms
of
mini
grants
that
we're
actually
going
to
try
and
promote
and
increase
the
number
of
special
events.
So
I'm
wondering,
is
it
appropriate
that
all
of
this
event
coordinate
position
come
from
the
city
budget?
Did?
Was
there
any
exploration
of
of
partial
support
from
other
sources?
For
this
position.
A
So
that
question
might
be
better
answered
by
the
mayor.
You
know.
I
certainly,
of
course,
advocate
for
a
full-time
position,
because
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
efficiencies
that
can
be
found
in
the
way
that
we
are
processing
a
number
of
permits
right
now,
not
just
special
events,
but
assembly
permits
noise
permits
all
of
the
commons
permitting
food
trucks.
You
know
all
of
those
requests
to
use
the
parks
request
to
film
on
city
property.
We
have
a
plethora
of
permits
that
we're
doing.
A
I
think
we
could
do
it
a
little
more
efficiently
with
a
full-time
person
focusing
on
all
of
this,
but
you
know,
I
think,
that
the
mayor
working
with,
maybe
tom
knight,
could
also
seek
maybe
some
county
funding
or
whatever
these
events.
You're
absolutely
right
not
only
benefit
the
city
of
ithaca,
but
they
they
are
community
events
that
benefit
the
entire
county.
C
C
A
G
B
A
Yes,
we
are
hugely
excited
about
the
open,
gov
software
that
we've
proposed
in
the
capital
project
budget.
This
is
a
software
platform
that
we
believe
will
serve
the
fire
department,
the
building
division
planning
department,
the
department
of
public
works
city,
clerk's
office,
and
you
know
potentially
others
once
we
see
what
it's
capable
of
and
up
and
running,
and
along
with
that
software,
our
citizen,
self-service
portals
and
the
ability
to
use
credit
cards
where
a
lot
of
departments
are
not
able
to
to
do
that
right
now.
A
So
the
timeline
is
a
little
tricky
because
you
know
first,
we
would
have
to.
We
haven't
really
received
even
a
full
scope
yet
because
there
are
still
departments
that
are
demoing
with
this
company.
So
once
we
have
a
contract
in
place,
there'll
be
some.
You
know,
data
migration
and
and
all
that
setting
up
various
forms,
it's
built
so
that
we
can
build
a
lot
of
our
own
forms
and
we
don't
need
custom.
A
You
know
engineers
to
customize
them
for
us,
so
I
would
say
earliest
we
probably
would
be
second
quarter
of
the
year.
Probably
more
realistic
would
be
fall
september
or
somewhere
in
there.
I
mean
I
would
hope
that
maybe
we
could
do
it
early
and
if
we
decide
we're
going
to
start
small
and
then
build
as
we
go,
we
could
probably
get
some
departments
up
and
running
by
second
quarter.
I
I
would
that
was
just
a
guesstimate.
B
L
Yes,
I
was
just
gonna
add
that
we
are
also
doing
similar
things
through
our
financial
software
for
community
self-service
for
credit
cards
and
those
as
well.
So
we're
currently
working
on
that.
In
fact,
that's
next
on
our
list
of
improvements
to
our
current
software
program
and
we're
me
actually
meeting
to
scope
that
and
plan
that
out
this
week
at
the
end
of
the
week.
O
Hi
thanks,
I
had
a
question
if
part
of
the
software
update
would
include
document
file
sharing
programs,
one
of
the
things
that
I
definitely
realize
is
we
work
in
small
groups,
working
groups,
committees,
we
don't
have
a
shared
drive
or
access
to
something
like
dropbox
or
google
drive
where
everybody
who's
on
the
committee.
You
know
you
throw
the
information
there,
we
all
have
access
to
it
and
I
wondered
if
that's
going
to
be
part
of
of
this
component
at
this
time.
A
So
that's
a
little
trickier
question
and
that
I'm
going
to
lob
over
to
scott
cronenbetter,
because
it's
one
thing:
if
we're
talking
about
internal
groups,
it's
another
thing.
If
we're
talking
about
groups
that
includes
people
external
to
our
network-
and
I
think
scott
can
can
answer
with
the
the
new
software
licensing
that
we're
proposing.
E
Yeah,
so
we
do
have
some
capabilities
for
external
sharing
currently
with
with
the
license
we
have,
but
with
the
enhanced
licensing
we're
talking
about.
That
includes
more
of
the
cyber
security
components
that
will
allow
us
to
lock
down
some
of
that,
a
little
more
and
as
as
doc,
stuxen
touched
on
the
making
sure
that
we're
not
going
to
be
victims
to
ransomware
and
and
the
likes.
So
yes,
we
do
have
some
some
limited
capabilities,
but
this
will
definitely
unlock
some
more
for
us.
O
O
The
the
other
item
is
just
more
of
a
comment
or
perhaps
a
thought
as
we
look
to
you,
know,
digitize
and
add
more
of
these
components,
which
I
think
are
absolutely
great.
Also
recognizing
that
we
do
have
a
large
portion
of
our
population
who
does
not
either
have
access
to
technology
is
not
comfortable
with
technology.
We
have
an
aging
population
and
who
may
not
feel
the
comfort
level
that
a
lot
of
these
transitions
require.
O
So
you
know
reluctantly.
It
requires
a
bit
of
redundancy
also
that
if
you
want
to
share
or
apply
or
fill
out
a
form
that
there's
still
a
way
to
allow
hard
copy
access
people
to
submit
things
through
hard
copy,
whether
or
not
that
includes
you
know,
do
we
have
the
ability
to
scan
in
a
submitted
hard
copy
so
that
it
feeds
into
our
our
data
system,
and
then
we
can
utilize
that
something
like
that.
O
I
know
this
was
one
of
the
the
things
that
I
think
we
experienced
with
hr
going
on
to
an
online
application
system.
Then
we
also
had
you
know,
for
example,
part-time
seasonals,
who
had
typically
always
submitted
things
in
paper,
then
lost
access
because
they
didn't
they
couldn't
figure
out
how
to
submit
the
application
so,
including
that
that
approach
and
that
consideration
as
we
look
to
digitize
a
lot
of
these
processes,
I
think,
is
important.
A
Sometimes
that
means
that
staff
will
have
to
enter
data
into
the
systems
to
keep
the
processes
going.
That's
what
my
office
does
now,
depending
upon
the
volume
of
materials
that
you
know
that
may
be
doable,
it
might
not
be
doable,
and
so
we
have
to
search
for
other
solutions,
but
the
department
of
public
information
technology
stands
ready
to
help
any
department.
That's
that
is
battling
some
of
those
issues.
D
D
There
they
are
great
so
before
we
get
into
the
specific
human
resources
department,
I
think
we
did
have
some
kind
of
generic
questions
that
were
just
more
related
to
kind
of
human
resource
processes
and
some
benefit
questions.
Do
you
want
to
just
tackle
those
first
see
if
we
can
get
some
quick
answers
to
them
and
then
we'll
talk
specifically
about
your
department?
D
S
S
D
D
U
D
D
D
N
S
D
So
I
think
what
they're
looking
at
is
the
timing
of
when
you
would
need
to
bring
someone
on
board
to
have
some
overlap
and
some
on
the
job
training
so
that
as
people
retire,
steve
like
you
know
we're
not
going
to
let
you
retire
but
you're
trying
to
retire.
I
think
some
of
those
some
of
the
rationale
for
that
is
to
help
with
the
succession
plan
that
each
department
has
mapped
out.
L
L
We've
we
try
to
take
those
new
positions
and
determine
when
the
best
time
for
those
to
be
in
the
budget,
timing,
wise
and
so
that's
that's
why
some
of
the
positions
are
are
different.
Summer
started
in
january
summer
started
later
than
that,
but
with
the
positions
that
you
had
mentioned,
it
was
all
because
of
certain
factors:
either
limited
resources
or
it
will
take.
You
know
a
couple
months
to
hire
or
trying
to
figure
out
exactly
succession
planning.
So
it's
it's
a
combination
of
factors.
D
D
O
T
Okay-
and
the
only
thing
I'll
add
to
that
too
is
this-
is
a
little
different
from
the
prior
compensation
studies
that
we've
done
in
that
it's
not
a
complete
overhaul
of
the
grade
plans
and
job
classifications
and
so
forth.
It's
just
a
market
study,
so
it
really
is
just
data
collection
on
salaries
and
then
applying
it
to
what
already
exists.
O
T
Right
because
we,
the
we
have
an
existing
point
factor
structure
for
just
about
every
bargaining
unit
and
we're
constantly
changing
that
and
reviewing
positions
and
updating
as
jobs,
changed
and
so
on.
So
that's
a
continually
fluid
plot
process.
This
is
just
comparing
the
actual
dollars
that
are
assigned
to
the
different
grades
on
the
grade
plans.
T
D
U
S
Well
right
now
we
are
we're
actually
working
with
munis
and
munis
has
conducted
what
they
call
an
an
hr
assessment
and
what
that
is
doing.
It's
identifying
it's
looking
at
what
we
do,
what
our
processes
are
and
then
looking
at
what
munis
has
to
offer
and
sort
of
you
know.
They'll
come
back
to
us
with.
This
is
what
we
have,
and
this
is
how
it
can
address
some
of
your
processes
and
your
workflows
so
and
the
reason
why
we're
looking
at
muse
is
because
we
have
munis
in
place.
S
The
one
thing
we
don't
want
to
do
is
to
have
you
know
a
host
of
different
software
and
working
with
different
vendors.
So
we
want
to
see
what
we're
able
to
what
we
what
munis
can
accommodate
us
and
then,
after
that
you
know
we'll
see
you
know
if
there
are
things
they
can't
accommodate,
then
we'll
look
for
vendors
in
the
other
areas.
S
D
S
S
We
only
have
five
and
we
had
29
individuals
in
the
workplace
identified
that
they
had
an
interest
in
doing
a
certification
program
through
the
e
cornell
we
had
a
drawing,
and
the
mayor
chose
five
individuals,
and
fortunately
they
were
that
they
were
so
diverse
in
terms
of
departments
that
they
came
from
literally
we
had
one.
We
didn't
have
two
people
from
the
same
department.
S
We
had
a
mix
of
brand
new
people
and
people
who
have
some
longevity
with
us
long
story
short.
We
we
started
receiving
feedback
because
they're
they're
finalizing
their
certification
programs.
The
feedback
has
been
overwhelming
in
terms
of
gratitude
and
appreciation
for
the
program
we
have
so
and
that
that's
the
the
ram
it
it
sort
of
spells
it
out.
It
gives
you
an
idea
of
the
types
of
certification
programs
that
we
have,
that
individuals
have
interest
in.
S
We
have
quotes
from
individuals
who
participated
as
well
as
individuals
who
were
sorely
disappointed
that
they
couldn't
participate
because
of
how
relevant
the
program
was
to
their
current
job
and
how
they
felt
that
it
would
really
have
improv.
It
would
really
improve
their
capabilities
on
the
job.
It's
been
an
a
huge
morale
booster,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
take
the
opportunity
one
to
let
you
know
about
it
and
two
to
see
if
there
would
be
any
consideration
to
support
it
going
forward.
G
Thank
you
deb,
so
shelley,
I'm
just
quickly.
Looking
at
that,
so
it
says:
there's
funding
opportunity
through
the
american
rescue
plan.
So
can
you
explain?
I
mean
I
guess,
there's
a
general
question
when
we
come
to
add
things
to
the
list.
We
have
to
specify
where
the
source
of
funds
are
coming
from,
whether
it's,
I
guess,
fund
balance
taxes
or
the
magic
bag
that
steve
has
tucked
away
in
the
office
there.
S
So
I
you
know
that
what
we
were
focused
on
is
the
fact
that
this
money
existed.
It
was
a
one-time.
This
is
a
you
know,
sort
of
a
one-time
request.
The
other
thing
I
should
mention
is
that
we
will
work
with
cornell
too
to
see
if
we
can
get
discounts
you
know
to
to
to
to
re,
reduce
the
cost,
but
that
was
only
a
reference
to
that.
There
was
stimulus
money
and
that
it
could
be
used
for
one-time
events.
G
S
K
V
V
Because
I
think
it
is
a
terrific
asset
for
our
our
workforce
and
also
as
more
and
more
of
our
employees
take
advantage
of
the
programs.
You
know,
there's
a
culture
around
that
that
they
start
to
share
with
each
other,
and-
and
I
think
you
know,
someone
who
might
jump
into
one
certificate
program
might
be
interested
in
doing
a
second
one,
and
so
those
are
really
great
opportunities.
So
I
hope
we
can
make
that
work.
N
D
D
D
D
D
We
are
going
to
identify
a
night
to
talk
about
those
things,
so
we're
not
going
to
talk
about
them
this
evening.
But
what
I
wanted
to
do
is
to
give
everybody
an
opportunity
that
if
you
now
had
anything
that
you
wanted
to
add
or
if
there
is
something
that
you
want
to
be
modified
I'll,
just
go
ahead
and
put
them
on
the
list
now
and
then
we
can
send
around
the
updated
list.
So
does
anyone
on
council
have
anything
they're
interested
in
adding
modifying
subtracting?
George.
J
D
J
J
J
D
O
I've
now
heard
that
some
people
are
estimating
the
new
premiums
to
be
up
to
seven
times
what
they
currently
are.
So
what
the
community
rating
system
does
is
if
we
register
and
we
change
our
zoning,
we
engage
in
recommended
floodplain
management
outreach
activities,
many
things
that
we
are
actually
already
doing.
O
O
D
Great,
so
that's
added
20
000..
If
you
have
any
information
that
you
want
to
send
around
to
counsel
about
that,
that
would
be
helpful
and
then
we
can
once
we
have
all
of
the
different
things
that
are
on
the
list.
We
can
start
sorting
out
the
night.
It
makes
the
most
sense
to
discuss
them
great.
Thank
you.
J
K
L
Estimated
an
amount
originally
went
through
the
capital
review
committee,
and
then
it
was
determined
by
staff
at
the
youth
bureau
that
that
amount
was
way
too
low,
as
they
were
getting
estimates
back
that
it
would
need
a
much
higher
value.
So
what
you
see
is
the
additional
amount
that
is
requested
for
that
particular
project.
L
D
Okay,
so
I
think
that
concludes
our
budget
discussion
for
today,
we'll
be
back
at
it
again
tomorrow
at
six.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
email
any
additional
questions
or
everything
I'll
try
to
get
this
sorted
and
sent
out
this
evening
and
faith
and
I'll
take
another
look
at
that
list
of
questions
and
see
if
we
can
sort
them
a
little
bit
more
for
for
who
we
have
tomorrow,
we
are,
you
know,
I
think
tomorrow
is
community
services
night.