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From YouTube: March 2, 2022 Common Council Meeting - Part 1
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05:40 Presentation of the Implementing the City of Ithaca's New Public Safety Agency Report
A
A
Thanks
julie,
thanks
everyone
for
for
being
here,
welcome
to
the
march
meeting
of
common
council.
We
have
a
busy
agenda
tonight.
Just
before
we
start.
I
want
to
say
that
this
has
been
a
very
sobering
week
in
which
we've
witnessed
the
strength
and
resolve
of
the
ukrainian
people,
and
I
wanted
to
acknowledge
that,
as
we
beg
begin
our
meeting
this
evening
are
there
any
additions
or
deletions
from
tonight's
agenda.
C
Hi
laura
thank
you.
Yes,
we
will
be
taking
4.6
back
to
committee
for
further
revision
for
next
month.
A
Okay,
it
is
now
sorry
laura.
E
I'd
also
like
to
acknowledge
palestine
and
also
understand,
I'm
not
real
clear.
I
have
some
report
back
as
the
liaison
south
side
and
will
I
be
able
to
share
that
tonight.
Yes,.
A
There
is
under
reports
from
council
and
staff
right
closer
to
the
end
of
the
meeting
where
we
typically
ask
for
any
liaison
reports,
so
you
most
definitely
will
have
an
opportunity.
E
A
You're
welcome
you're
welcome
yes,
and
the
zoom
screen
is
busy.
So
please,
if
I
don't
see
a
raised
hand,
just
speak
up.
Okay,
thank
you
cynthia.
A
So
it
is
now
my
pleasure
to
present
the
quarterly
employee
recognition
awards.
A
A
A
Another
person
in
nomination
says
they
repair
dpw,
they
repair
our
streets,
pick
up
our
trash
plow,
our
roads
remove,
leaves
and
clean
streets
clear
ice
from
the
creeks
something
I've
witnessed.
Just
this
weekend,
they
make
room
and
clear
cars
out
of
streets
for
events
in
all
all
in
a
variety
of
weather
conditions,
rain,
snow,
sleet,
heat
at
all
hours
of
the
day.
A
A
They
responded
very
quickly
to
the
storm
that
we
experienced
a
few
months
ago
that
damaged
trees,
many
of
our
beloved
willow
trees
in
in
stuart
park.
So
all
that
is
to
say
that
we
wish
to
recognize
our
dpw
crews,
many
of
whom
we
don't
see
throughout
the
day
as
the
nominators
have
mentioned.
So
congratulations
and
thank
you
to
our
dpw
cruise.
A
We'll
now
move
into
our
special
presentation
before
council,
and
that
is
on
the
reimagining
public
safety
collaborative
in
introducing
this
I
would
like
to
give
a
special
thanks
to
our
reimagining
public
safety,
co-leads,
eric
rosario
and
karen
yearwood,
and
also
give
thanks
to
mona
lita
smiley
who's
with
us
this
evening.
She
is
the
fairly
newly
hired
director
of
the
community
justice
center,
their
steady
and
thorough
leadership.
All
three
of
these
individuals,
these
community
members,
leadership
and
guidance
of
the
working
group
has
been
absolutely
outstanding.
A
I
want
to
express
my
gratitude
to
everyone
who
contributed
their
voice
through
this
seven
month
process
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
on
council,
my
former
members
of
council
for
unanimously
passing
our
resolution
in
march
2021
that
laid
the
groundwork
in
the
footprint
for
our
working
group
and
thanks
also
to
our
community
county
rather
legislature,
colleagues
and
finally,
I'd
like
to
thank
center
for
policing
equity
cpe
for
their
assistance
in
our
local
effort
to
reimagine
public
safety
for
our
community.
It's
been
a
long
and
busy
seven
months.
We've
all
worked
very
hard,
and
you
were.
F
G
You
lauren,
I
think,
we're
going
to
start
off
with
mona
mona
lita
for
an
overview
first
and
then
and
then
to
karen
and
me.
H
Hi
thanks
eric
good
evening
like
they
said,
my
name
is
monalita
smiley.
I
am
the
project
director
for
the
community
justice
center
and
tonight
I
just
wanted
to
provide
everyone
with
an
update
on
the
reimagining
public
safety
plans.
H
So
the
report
that
you're
going
to
receive
tonight
is
just
one
of
about
20
reimagining
plans,
and
this
one
is
a
city
specific
plan.
So
there's
three
different
categories.
We
have
city
specific
plans,
joint
plans
and
county
specific
plans.
I
won't
read
the
whole
entire
screen
to
you.
This
slide
will
also
be
available
at
the
end
of
the
city
report,
but
I
just
wanted
to
talk
to
you
about
some
of
the
other
plans
that
we
have
in
progress
right
now
to
give
you
an
idea
that
you
know
the
re.
H
The
city
plan
is
not
the
only
one
we're
doing
some
other
ones
simultaneously,
so
we're
working
on
a
collaborative
plan
with
the
city
and
the
county
for
the
community
healing,
so
we've
started
sessions
with
the
black
and
browns
of
the
community,
and
we
are
planning
work
with
law
enforcement,
both
ipd
and
the
sheriff's
department
to
begin
their
portion
of
the
community
healing
plan,
we're
doing
a
collaborative
alternative
response,
wrap
around
health
and
human
service
delivery.
H
So
we're
reviewing
some
excuse
me
sequential
intercept
model,
the
mapping
report
and
then
we're
also
working
with
the
tompkins
county
sheriff's
office,
unarmed
pilot
program,
where
we
are
currently
in
the
process
of
reviewing
applications
for
the
civilian
position,
so
that
you
know
the
application
deadline
is
definitely
closed.
We
have
a
significant
amount
of
applicants
that
applied
so
we're
in
the
process
of
reviewing
that
to
see
who
will
be
called
in
for
interviews,
and
we
are
also
assessing
call
types
process
systems
and
reviewing
for
opera.
This
is
a
big
word
for
me.
H
Opera
operationalization,
so
just
wanted
to
bring
it
to
the
forefront
that
there
are
other
plans
that
are
running
simultaneously
with
this
one.
Their
joint
plans,
but
tonight
you're,
going
to
receive
an
incredible
report
on
the
city-specific
plans.
G
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
mona
lita
for
that
for
the
overview,
and
I
also
wanted
to
introduce
you
know.
Mayor
lewis
mentioned
the
center
for
policing
equity.
G
So
I
wanted
to
introduce
everyone
here
to
dr
hans
menos,
who
is
the
vice
president
of
law
enforcement
initiatives
for
the
center
for
policing
equity,
which
has
been
serving
as
our
project
manager,
providing
project
management
and
operational
support
for
our
working
group,
as
well
as
content,
subject
matter
expertise
so
he's
here
as
a
resource
and
really
appreciate
being
able
to
be
here
tonight
as
well
and
without
further
ado,
I
will
give
it
to
co.
My
co-lead
karen
yearwood
to
kick
us
off.
I
Thank
you
eric
and
thank
you
common
council,
this
plan
and
this
initiative.
The
recommendation
one
all
started
as
a
result
of
new
york
state
executive
order,
203,
which
was
issued
in
june
2020
in
the
wake
of
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
there's
been
a
long
and
painful
history
in
new
york,
state
of
discrimination
and
mistreatment
at
the
hands
of
police
and
by
black
and
brown
of
black
and
brown
people.
I
Each
local
government,
with
police
agencies
within
new
york
state,
were
asked
to
submit
a
plan.
How
are
you
going
to
do
things
differently
to
review
their
current
strategies,
practices,
policies
to
develop
a
plan
to
consider
systemic
racial
bias
and
policing,
de-escalation,
training
and
restorative
justice
practice?
I
I
commend
you
and
I
applaud
you
for
taking
this
seriously,
as
you
unanimously
voted
along
with
the
county
for
this
charge
as
mona
had
identified
at
the
beginning.
There
are
19
recommendations,
and
this
is
city
specific,
the
first
recommendation
and
as
the
charge
outlines
that,
where
to
design
the
working
group
was
to
design
a
department
of
public
safety,
retain
a
unit
of
armed
and
unarmed
responders.
I
The
unarmed
responders
are
to
focus
on
non-violent
quality
of
life,
calls
retain
the
current
police,
retain
the
police
staff
and
ensure
that
members
qualify
according
to
the
new
york
state
law,
as
police
officers
there's
to
be
open
lines
of
communication
with
other
human
service
providers
and
institute
ongoing,
culturally
responsive
community
engagement.
G
This
karen
outlined
and
as
the
resolution
passed
by
common
council
last
march
in
march
31st
2021,
outlined
the
it
gave
us
the
parameters
with
which
to
work
when
gave
us
the
parameters
around
which
we
were
to
create
this
design,
and
the
working
group
was
recruited
by
former
mayor
cevante
myrick,
including
myself
and
karen,
and
represented
various
stakeholders.
The
composition
of
that
working
group.
G
Common
council
did
give
some
parameters:
members
of
ipd,
we
had
two
sergeants
and
a
lieutenant
members
of
common
council
alderman
george
mcgonigle,
along
with
alderman
ducks
and
wynn
and
now
acting
mayor
lewis,
are
those
who
represented
council,
and
then
we
had
folks
who
represented
the
community,
and
we
had.
You
know
how
do
you
and
different
constituencies
within
that
community,
the
lgbtq
plus
black
brown
educ
and
then
education
business.
G
So
how
do
you
get
all
that
diversity
to
work
together?
We
had
some
serious
onboarding
and
we
spent
that
time
together,
facilitated
by
the
center
for
policing,
equity
and
and
another
partner,
jazz
leadership
project
to
come
up
with
expectations.
G
The
way
that
will
work-
and
we
made
it
a
priority-
to
create
an
environment
where
we
could
say
we
could
speak
really
honestly,
because
we
were
coming
from
very
different
points
of
view.
We
wanted
to
be
able
to
speak
honestly,
speak
what
we
needed
to
say
create
the
friction
that
we
needed
in
order
to
get
to
some
place
from
where
we
are
today
and
and
so
in
that
we
also
knew
that
the
diversity
of
the
working
group
wasn't
enough.
G
We
expanded
we
expanded
into
four
subcommittees
that
were
tasked
with
specific
areas
which
we'll
get
into
a
little
later.
G
Those
subcommittees
gave
us
an
opportunity
to
expand
the
number
of
community
members
further,
so
we
had
an
additional
number
of
community
members
to
bring
in
more
diverse
points
of
view,
and
we
also
had
technical
advisors
and,
at
the
outset
of
this,
these
were
also
identified
by
the
mayor
and
at
the
outset
you
know
there
were
different
expectations
about
how
much
use
we
might
have
of
technical
advisors
and
that
shifted
over
time.
G
As
we
did
our
work,
so
some
technical
advisors
we
use
much
more
than
others
and
some
our
expectations
have
shifted
about
whether
we
needed
them
at
this
stage,
and
so
we
really
appreciate
their
being
available
and
then,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
support
by
the
center
for
policing
equity
as
a
project
manager
and
also
content
expertise,
bringing
experience
in
law
enforcement,
as
well
as
being
social
data
being
social
scientists
as
well
and
karen.
Do
you
want
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
community
input.
I
So
we
had
additional
community
input,
as
eric
had
mentioned
in
subcommittees,
as
well
as
community
provided
input,
because
a
website
was
designed
publicsafetyreimagine.org,
they
were
able
to
give
input
on
the
naming
convention.
We
had
inquired
about
the
call
dealing
nation
process,
so
we
opened
it
up
for
the
community
to
hear
from
them.
Email
newsletters
were
sent
on
a
regular
basis
to
anyone
that
subscribed
to
that
website
and
wanted
to
receive
updates.
I
There
were
community
forums,
we
had
community
forums
with
bipark
community,
greater
ithaca
at
large
community
as
well
as
unhouse
community
members,
and
it
was
quite
interesting
to
hear
from
the
unhoused
community
members,
especially
that
they
strongly
believe
that
police
are
needed
and
public
safety
is
needed.
But
how
are
things
handled
and
the
approach
to
them
as
individuals?
So
we
had
to
look
at
that
and
consider
all
of
that
as
we
deliberated
throughout
this
whole
process,
as
was
mentioned
on
previously
the
decision-making
process
we
weren't,
always
in
favor,
it
wasn't
unanimous.
I
There
were
some
different
conversations.
Some
thought
the
process
was
too
fast.
Others
thought
it
was
too
slow.
Some
hoped
for
more
change.
Some
wanted
it
to
remain
the
same
overall.
The
conversations
and
deliberations
were
always
respectful
and
thoughtful
among
the
working
group
members
and
where
a
vote
was
needed.
We
came
together
as
a
working
group
to
vote
and
we'll
show
some
of
the
results
of
that,
but
we
especially
wanted
to
honor
the
lived
experiences
of
all
participants
and,
as
working
group
members,
we
represented
different
groups
and
different
community
areas
within
ithaca.
I
G
G
So
sorry
about
that,
I'm
rusty
but
proud
to
unveil
the
the
name.
The
proposed
name
is
department
of
community
safety,
and
we
had
you
know:
how
did
we
come
up
with
this
name?
We
had
criteria,
you
know:
does
the
name
reflect
the
charge
for
a
new
department?
Does
the
name
effectively
communicate
an
agency
that
will
adapt
and
implement
alternative
response
models
to
calls
for
service?
Does
the
name
allow
for
future
responsibilities
of
new
department?
G
Does
the
name
allow
for
a
broader
scope
of
public
safety
that
may
include
other
units
in
the
future?
Is
the
name
intuitive?
In
other
words,
does
it
help
people
understand
what
the
department
does
and
is
the
name
inclusive
and
innovative?
Does
it
capture
the
goal
of
reimagining
public
safety,
and
is
it
responsive
to
the
needs
of
black
brown
and
other
vulnerable
communities
in
ithaca?
G
It's
got
to
be,
of
course,
more
than
just
a
name,
but
their
name
is
importing
conveying
things
quickly,
and
so
we,
I
wanted
to
add
that
the
name
was
actually
suggested
by
a
member
of
the
public.
It
came
through
our
website
and
it
was
among
the
top
three
names
that
we
voted
on
and
that's
the
name
that
came
out
on
top
delving
a
little
deeper
into
the
design
of
the
department.
So
we
have
the
department
of
community
safety
we're
also
proposing
you
know.
G
Common
council's
charge
was
to
identify
the
lead
for
this
department
and
we
are
naming
that
lead
the
commissioner
of
community
safety
and
commissioner,
because
that
conveys
the
breadth
and
scope
of
this
person's
responsibility.
G
The
seniority
of
the
position-
and
it
was
really
important
to
us
that
it
be
a
civilian
to
include
and
to
ensure
the
kind
of
cultural
change
and
service
that
we
aspire
to.
We
can
be
really
good
where
we
are.
There
is
always
room
to
expand
further
and
that's
you
know
it's
it's
been
it's
the
reason
we're
in
this
space
is
because
the
status
quo
isn't
acceptable.
G
We
need
to
think
about
different
ways
of
providing
our
public
safety
and
we
believe
this
title
conveys
that,
along
with
the
name
of
the
department,
there
will
be
that
unit
that
retains
the
armed
officers
will
be
known
as
the
division
of
police
and
we're
proposing
division
of
community
solutions
for
the
community
responders,
who
are
the
unarmed
each
of
those
divisions
would
be
overseen
by
a
director.
The
director
of
police
will
also
be
known
as
chief
of
police,
where
new
york
state
law
requires
it.
G
That's
a
civil
service
position,
but
the
public
facing
name
is
director
of
police
in
to
to
indicate
you
know.
This
is
as
important
as
the
director
of
community
solutions,
these
both
and,
and
so
that
was
really
important
to
convey.
You
see
the
functions
there.
I
won't
read
out
what's
in
each
box
and
we'll
get
a
little
more
into
the
specifics
about
in
terms
of
call
types,
what
we're
assigning
to
each.
G
But
this
is
overall
the
approach
that,
with
in
terms
of
the
structure,
what
we've,
what
we're
proposing
and
karen
I'll,
let
you
get
into
the
call
delineation.
I
So
we
went
through
a
process
of
call
delineation.
This
initially
was
supposed
to
be
a
subcommittee,
a
separate
subcommittee.
We
had
four
subcommittees,
but
we
decided
at
the
very
beginning
back
in
august
that
the
working
group
needed
an
in-depth
knowledge
of
the
call
types
how
are
calls
going
through
routed
through
9-1-1
and
for
police
services.
I
So,
as
a
result
of
this,
we
went
through
several
scenarios
and
went
through
working
and
getting
a
better
understanding
of
the
call
delineation.
I
This
is
where
call
types
require
law
enforcement
responsibilities
and
just
to
let
you
know
that
the
city
attorney
is
still
reviewing
and
studying
these
call
types
as
it
relates
to
the
type
and
to
ensure
that
they're
under
the
new
york
state
law
of
responsibilities.
For
those
individuals
who
are
in
law
enforcement
and
which
call
types
they
need
to
have.
I
So
our
recommendation
is
listed
here
for
the
division
of
police
and
the
the
division
of
community
solutions
where
it's
more
or
less
the
quality
of
life
call
types
where
we
would
have
community
responders
action
and
be
responsible
for
these
call
types
like,
for
example,
property
check.
Some
residents
require
our
acts
of
the
police
to
do
a
property
check
when
they're
on
vacation
so
are
to
check
the
business
a
business
if
to
ensure
that
the
doors
are
locked,
so
we're
suggesting
that
this
is
not
a
call
type
of
criminal
intent.
I
So,
therefore
it
should
be
handled
by
a
community
responder.
Then
we
have
the.
It
depends
column
that
these
were
call
types
where
there
was
a
somewhat
uncertainty
how
to
handle.
Sometimes
you
may
need
a
co-response
of
an
armed,
responder
plus
an
unarmed
responder,
so
this
would
require
further
analysis
and
it
depends
and
also
may
categorize
as
alternative
call
types.
We
saw
that
during
the
height
of
the
pandemic,
ipd
handled
an
increase
in
number
of
low
priority
calls
telephonically.
I
I
G
And
I
wanted
to
add
also
that,
with
the
it
depends
model
with
the
defense
column,
that
there
are
some
call
types
there
that
what
we
just
what
we
discovered
in
in
looking
at
this
and
that
michael
steinle,
the
director
of
emergency
response
for
the
county
also
concurs
with,
is
some
of
these
call
types
may
need
further
refinement,
they're,
really
broad.
You
look
at
domestic
dispute,
it
could
be
happening
or
it
could
already
have
happened.
Does
it
make
sense
to
send
someone
a
police
officer
for
something
to
take
a
report?
G
Does
it
make
sense?
You
know
to
look
at
these
refine
them
further,
based
on
what
actually
is
going
on
and
what's
needed,
you
can
then
more
cleanly
assign
that
call
type.
It
won't
be
perfect
by
any
means,
but
there's
a
lot
of
room
for
refinement
along
here,
so
it
was
really
difficult
to
assign
these
to
any
category
because
they
were
so
broad.
So
that's
that's
another
another
area
that
would
be.
G
I
Referenced
in
our
report
by
the
center
for
american
progress
that
this
is
all
in
alignment
with
executive
order,
203
that
we're
trying
to
in
this
redesign
and
reimagine
reimagining
public
safety,
eliminate
racial
inequities
and
rebuild
trust
for
our
community
members,
so
that
they
ensure
that
public
safety
applies
to
them
too
and
ensure
that
the
lives
of
marginalized
communities
we
listen
to
them.
I
Throughout
this
whole
initiative,
we
heard
we
did
focus
groups
in
2020
and
heard
from
people,
and,
as
I've
mentioned
previously,
we
did
a
community
conversation
back
in
the
fall
with
the
on
house
community,
and
we
heard
from
those
individuals
too.
We
stand
with
common
council
when
you
took
on
this
charge
and
to
ensure
a
meaningful
public
safety
for
one
community
residents
of
all
residents
of
ithaca
ithaca,
as
well
as
to
reach
to
the
greater
county.
With
all
of
these
recommendations,.
G
One
one
one
thing
if
I
made
by
the
way:
seven
months
of
working
together:
this
is
how
karen
and
I
works
on
me.
So
I
apologize
to
everyone.
No.
G
Along
with
the
it
depends
a
couple
of
things,
one
and
related
to
that
last
quote:
we
also
discovered
that
there
are
some
responses.
Let's
say,
ems
is
chosen,
it's
by
by
dispatch
that
that
call
goes
to
ems.
Let's
say
it's
to
a
service
call
to
a
to
a
homeless
shelter.
Ems
may
require
that
police
come
along
to
secure
the
scene,
just
just
require
it.
G
Whether
or
not
the
caller
is
asking
for
that,
and
that's
something
that
michael
steinle
is
looking
at
too
and
having
conversations
with
ems
providers
about
the
necessity
of
of
having
that
a
police
officer
in
our
working
group,
you
know
spoke
quite
eloquently
about
a
situation
where
there
was
a
call
to
a
homeless
shelter
for
ems.
G
There
was
someone
who
was
suffering
from
abdominal
pain,
abdominal
pain
and
they
were
there,
the
police
officer,
but
they
felt
really
uncomfortable
because
they
weren't
really
needed,
but
they
were
there
and
they
wondered
to
how
the
person
who
was
having
the
pain
and
discomfort
was
feeling.
So
that's
something
also
to
look
at.
You
know
these
requirements
and
are
they
truly
necessary
or
is
there
too
much
of
a
conservative
approach
being
taken?
You
know,
and
so
we
really
applaud
michael
steitle's
looking
at
that
so
just
wanted
to.
G
Along
with
and
and
the
other
thing
that
I
I
wanted
to
add
to
is
that
in
as
we
talked
for
example,
at
the
forum
with
with
those
who
who
are
unhoused,
you
know
at
least
one
of
the
police
officers
was
was
was
called
after
great
work
that
sergeant
mary
arseo,
who
actually
happens
to
be
on
the
on
the
working
group.
You
know
as
someone
who
was
trusted
and
they
wanted
to
highlight-
and
you
know
in
in
our
thinking
about
this.
G
You
know
we
have
to
look
at
what
makes
the
most
sense
in
terms
of
moving
forward
in
a
sustainable
approach.
That's
more
systemic
than
just
let's
say
variable,
so
you
know
wanted
to
wanted
to
say
it's
it's.
It
was
really
eye-opening
to
to
go
through
this
process
with
everyone
in
the
report.
You
know
there
are
details
on
what
each
of
those
subcommittees
were
focused
on.
So
you'll
see
that
here
on
this
overview
slide
and
starting
with
the
staffing
level,
beat
design
shift
assignment.
G
I
believe
that
alderman
george
mcgonagall
and
I
believe,
rob
gearhart
too
served
on
the
subcommittee
and
here
you'll
see
this.
You
see
the
the
recommend,
the
suggestions
made
by
that
subcommittee
with
the
division
of
community
solutions.
The
recommendation
was
to
start
with
five
unarmed
responders
and
then
after
a
year,
assess
and
determine
what
makes
sense
moving
forward,
and
you
know
how
to
expand.
G
So,
that's
the
approach
and
it's
a
more
conservative
approach
it
it.
It
does
mean
that
you
know
we
saw
all
those
call
types
that
we
believe
would
be
more
appropriate
for
an
unarmed
responder
to
handle,
but
obviously,
in
that
year,
police
are
going
to
handle
have
to
handle
some
of
those
until
you
know,
but
we'll
determine
at
the
end
of
the
year.
What
what?
What
makes
the
most
sense
moving
forward.
The
unarmed
response
would
be
known
as
community
responders
and
and
their
beat
assignments
would
be
to
optimize.
G
You
know
community
engagement
and
where
their
services
are
most
needed.
Where
are
we
getting
those
kinds
of
call
types?
You
know
where
what
time
and
where
so
that
would
make
the
most
sense
the
division
of
police.
You
know
common
council
in
its
in
that
resolution
from
march
31st
2021,
you
know
specified
that
current
police
will
retain
their
their
positions.
G
Their
titles-
you
know
so
current
staffing,
but
we
we
did
look
at
the
at
their
beat
design
and
right
now
beat
design
when
you,
when
you
look
at
the
current
beats,
there
are
a
lot
of
there's
a
high
volume
of
calls
for
certain
beats
for,
for
you
know,
as
opposed
to
so
maybe
two
out
of
the
four
represent
a
higher
share
of
services
of
calls.
G
It's
it's,
it's
being
recommended
that
beats
be
redesigned
so
that
the
variance
between
any
of
the
beats
is,
you
know
no
greater
than
20.
So.
G
And
then
there
is
also
a
suggestion:
a
proposal
to
adopt
a
different
shift
assignment
configuration
named
after
a
shift
assignment
configuration
that
was
pioneered
in
pittman
new
jersey,
and
it
would
make
it
so
that
the
work
days
for
officers
are
more
fixed
and
that
would
allow
for
greater
sustainability,
efficiency
and
equity.
G
And
then
you
can
see
here
the
aspirations
for
both
divisions,
of
course,
to
work
in
tandem
and
that's
why
they
need
to
be
a
part
of
the
same
department
and
and
also
for
formalizing,
the
idea
of
community
engagement,
and
you
know
that
speaks
for
itself,
there's
a
little
more
detail,
but
I'm
also
mindful
of
the
time.
So
one
thing
I
would
say
from
that
is:
this
is
just
a
start.
G
There's
a
lot
of.
We
consider
this
to
be
evolutionary
and
an
iterative
process
where
we'll
make
adjustments
along
the
way
training
protocols
emphasizing
community-centered
model.
I
served
on
that
subcommittee.
G
There
is
you,
have
the
training
that
takes
place
in
a
police
academy,
which
you
know
a
leader
in
the
new
york
state
association
of
investigators
himself
has
said,
is
woefully
inadequate
in
terms
of
mental
health
intervention.
De-Escalation,
we
are,
and
ipd
has
supplemented
a
lot
of
that
and
and
initiated
other
forms
of
training
that
are
highly
regarded
by
the
rest
of
the
state
like
reality-based
training,
but
there
is
more
that
the
subcommittee
was
suggesting,
including
trauma-informed
approaches.
G
Mental
health
awareness,
holistic
responses
that
would
bring
us
to
where
we
need
to
get
to
this
would
apply
for
both
both
of
the
divisions,
equipment
and
technology
needs.
Looking
at
our
records
management
system,
there
may
be
much
more
capacity
than
being
used.
This
will
relate
to
the
data
collection
which
I'll
get
to
speech
recognition
technology
so
that
both
sets
of
responders
are
able
to
have
their
reports
done
much
more
efficiently
and
a
mechanism
for
reporting
lower
priority
occurrences
online.
G
This
would
be
for
those
who
are
able
to
just
opening
up
the
possibility
of
through
their
phone
or
a
computer.
Again,
this
wouldn't
be
the
requirement,
but
just
opening
up
that
opportunity
for
those
kinds
of
occurrences
to
be
reported
that
way.
It
relates
back
to
the
call
types
and
providing
some
some
calls
being
handled,
telephonically
or
so
some
being
handled
through
an
online
portal,
just
reducing
the
the
the
necessity
for
an
in-person
response.
G
G
And
the
research
and
data
needs
you
know
in
looking
at
this.
Currently,
you
know
we
report
very
little
data
on
the
on
the
nature
of
outcomes
of
of
our
activities
for
the
city.
We
we
don't
have
you
know
racial
background
breakdown
on
traffic
stops.
What
share
of
of
coal
results?
G
You
know
occurring
arrest,
just
to
name
a
few
and
they're
outlined
in
the
report,
so
we
really
need
to
in
order
to
understand
what
it
is,
we're
doing,
how
we're
doing
it
where
the
inequities
may
be
if
they're
they're
there,
we
really
need
to
start
start
and
create
that
baseline,
and
so
we've
outlined
those
areas
where
that's
needed.
G
That
also
includes
looking
at
our
report
management
system
and
what
capacity
it
may
have,
and
we
believe
it
has
the
capacity
to
have
that
data
and
if
it
doesn't,
then
we
need
to
take
a
re-look
at
that
and,
of
course,
we'd
have
to
partner
with
the
county
on
that,
because
we
share
that
report
and
you'll
see
a
few
of
the
other
few
of
the
other
suggestions
that
come
out
that
came
out
from
the
subcommittee
and
are
outlined
further
in
the
report,
but
things
like
number
of
complaints,
number
of
investigations,
the
outcomes
of
the
investigations.
I
So
the
proposed
operating
budget
for
the
department
of
community
safety
is
what
we're
initially
stating
should
be
1.15
million.
Now
this
is,
can
occur
over
multiple
years
as
due
to
the
budget
cycles.
This
investment
to
taxpayers
is
is
in
addition
to
ipd's
current
budget
of
12.8
million,
and
it's
not
part
of
the
city's
budget,
which
is
84
million.
G
And
this
is
anticipated,
you
know,
as
was
stated
in
the
report
and
karen
sorry,
if
you
said
that
already,
but
this
may
not
be
spending.
This
would
be
spent
over
a
few
budget
cycles
and
which
allows
too
the
commissioner
working
with
the
cjc.
G
You
know
the
cjc
will
has
a
data
analyst,
half
of
which
is
dedicated
to
the
city
and
half
to
the
county,
and
so
before,
moving
forward
with
a
data
analyst
position
here,
it
makes
sense
to
see
how
that's
working,
what
they're
doing
and
what
room
there
might
be
for
the
requirements
that
we've
outlined
here
for
that
position
to
do
so
this,
but
we
thought
it
would
be
the
responsible
thing
to
do
to
just
list
out
what
we
thought
was
needed,
or
we
just
want
to
make
we
want
to.
G
We
want
everyone
to
understand
that
can
be
adjusted
as
a
you
know.
New
commissioner
looks
at
and
and
the
other
stakeholders
look
at
how
this
is
unfolding.
I
So,
what's
next
we're
presenting
to
you
today
and
you
have
the
report
we're
going
to
as
the
mona
lita
smally
had
mentioned-
continue
to
plan
for
implementation,
that
these
other
recommendations
are
happening
simultaneously
and
the
report
will
be
available
tomorrow
or
after
this
meeting
it
might
be
available
online
and
we'll
have
hard
copies
available
at
the
library
and
other
areas
we're
going
to
do
community
town
halls
eric
and
I
as
well
as
some
of
the
working
group
members,
will
be
participating
on
that
we're
still
receiving
any
feedback
on
the
website
too.
I
With
this
report,
we're
creating
a
system
to
to
drive
culture
change,
public
safety
for
all
residents
in
one
community
requires
systemic
changes.
The
residents
trusted
us
the
working
group
with
this
process
when
we
spoke
to
them
in
2020.
We
used
established
relationships
as
we
met
as
well
as
when
we
connected
with
different
communities,
fall
2021.,
we're
asking
the
public
to
thoroughly
read
the
report
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
there's
going
to
be
an
email
on
the
website
as
to
how
to
direct
the
questions
to
us.
G
Yes
and
wanted
to
reiterate
what
monalita
smiley
started
us
off
with
too
this
is
one
plank
out
of
19,
all
of
which
is
interrelated,
so
there
may
be
pieces
that
folks
are
wondering
about
what
about
community
healing,
etc
and
all
those
pieces
are
here,
but
they
all
interrelate
back
to
this,
our
charge
was
very
specific
and
outlined
by
council.
G
We
worked
within
the
parameters
given
to
us
and
tried
to
be
as
expansive
and
as
comprehensive
as
possible
within
those
parameters,
and
hopefully
what
we
are
proposing
here
can
be
seen:
will
increase
access
to
meaningful
solutions,
decrease
contact,
unnecessary
contact
with
the
criminal
justice
system
and
free
up
police,
to
focus
on
solving
crimes
and
building
trust
to
help
solve
those
crimes
and
again
one
plank
out
of
out
of
19..
G
So,
thank
you
and
it's
it's
it's
it's
a
step
and
a
change
that
we
hope
you
know
we
we've
been
able
to
convey
here
makes
is,
is,
is
a
as
a
good
beginning.
A
Thank
you
very
much
eric
and
karen
and
mona
for
the
presentation
very
comprehensive
and
thorough.
We
do
not
have
any
voting
items
tonight.
I
will
just
remind
my
colleagues
and
members
of
the
public.
A
This
reimagining
public
safety
will
be
discussed
at
our
april
common
council
meeting
as
well,
and,
as
has
been
said,
this
is
a
process
that
will
take
multiple
cycles,
budget
cycles
and
multiple
years
for
full
implementation.
A
There
are,
as
has
been
pointed
out,
the
reimagining
public
safety
collaborative,
and
we
were
so
happy.
We
in
the
city
so
very
happy
to
partner
with
the
county
on
reimagining
public
safety,
but
tonight
you've
heard
a
response.
That
is
a
presentation
I
should
say
that
is
specific
to
the
city
and
specifically
to
the
first
recommendation
that
common
council
charged
tasked
a
working
group,
a
task
force,
and
this
has
been
led
by
eric
and
karen
I'll
open
it
up
for
some
comments,
recognizing
that
we
do
have
a
full
agenda.
There
are
multiple
opportunities
for
input.
A
There
certainly
will
be
opportunities
for
input,
comments
and
questions,
also
in
our
april
common
council
meeting,
but
eric
and
karen
and
mona.
If
you
don't
mind,
staying
and
perhaps
responding
to
some
of
the
the
comments
and
questions
that
would
be
greatly
appreciated,
so
let
me
first
turn
to
the
hands
I
see
phoebe.
I
see
your
hand
if
you
want
to
unmute.
A
E
E
However,
for
me,
my
concern
is,
I
heard
nothing
about
the
history
of
policing
right
and,
if
we're
not
understanding
where
policing
came
from
for
me,
it
reminds
me
of
that
saying
of
if
we
don't
know
our
history,
we
are
doomed
to
repeat
it
also,
it
is.
It
is
the
root
of
the
problem
of
what
has
been
happening
throughout
history
for
black
and
brown
people,
and
so
to
not
begin
to
talk
about
the
history
of
policing,
which
was
to
capture
slaves,
capture,
indigenous
people.
E
I
think
for
me
it
feels
like
you
know.
How
can
we
heal
if
we
have
not
acknowledged
the
disparity
that
black
and
brown
and
indigenous
people
have
have
faced
throughout
these
years
with
policing?
E
So
you
know,
I'm
really
really
happy
with
what
I've
heard,
and
so
you
know
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
reminded
of
what's
been
happening
throughout.
History
has
not
just
begun
with
george
floyd.
A
Right,
that's
a
good
point
phoebe
and
if,
if
you
don't
mind
eric
and
karen,
if
I
may
jump
in
as
a
member
of
the
working
group,
I
should
say
that
we
spent.
I
think
it
was
one
whole
working
group
session
hearing
from
the
former
city
historian,
who
went
in
depth
into
the
history
of
of
policing.
It's
not
included
in
the
report,
but
that
is
something
that
we
definitely
heard
a
great
deal
about
in
one
of
our
full
working
group
sessions.
I
don't
know
if
eric
or
karen
you
want
to
respond
at
all.
I
Yes,
laura
you're
right
and
thank
you
very
much
phoebe
for
bringing
that
up,
because
there's
the
history
that
we
have
to
remember
throughout
the
whole
us
as
well
as
the
history
within
new
york
state
of
what's
happening
too,
and
the
city
historian,
mary
tomlin,
had
even
talked
about
the
some
of
the
history
in
ithaca.
What
happened
in
1912
when
it
was
a
women's
federation
that
was
brought
in
the
first
female
police
officer
brought
in
to
address
quality
of
life?
I
What
we
now
call
calls
quality
of
life
concerns
within
the
community
instead
of
looking
only
at
oh,
the
public
may
have
like
criminal
intent
or
anything
like
that
where
a
law
enforcement
personnel
is
needed,
but
how
to
address
and
really
connect
with
the
public
about
the
safety
of
the
public,
not
criminalize
it
in
any,
which
way.
I
So
we
we
heard
about
that
history,
I'm
hoping
I
was
hopeful
at
that
point
if
it
hasn't
been
done
yet
that
is
put
on
the
ipd's
website,
because
we
do
have
some
historical
information
on
the
website,
so
just
to
hear
that
what
happened
in
1912
and
that
position
lasted
for
about
five
years
and
we're
now
at
2022..
I
So
what
do
we
do
differently
and
as
a
result
of
the
george
floyd
murder?
Unfortunately,
an
unfortunate
act
is
that
we
have
a
chance
to
do
something
different
now
and
it's
not,
and
it's
changing
cultural
attitudes,
biases
and
so
forth,
so
that
we
we
accepted
this
executive
order.
How
do
we
change
things?
G
Laura
can
I
just
have
one
thing
because
mary
tomlin
thank
you,
miss
phoebe
for
that
for
your
statement
and
your
point,
mary
tomlin
also
said,
though
she
didn't
consid.
She
only
went
to
a
certain
point
in
history.
You
know
to.
I
think
it
was.
Maybe
the
70s
didn't
go
beyond
that
and
that
history
needs
to
be
written.
So
we
need
to
that.
That's
a
that's
a
that's
a
call
to
action.
We
need
to
have
that
history,
written
and-
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
state
that,
because
that's
really
important
and.
G
And
all
of
that,
as
we
prepared
for
this
like
khalil,
gibran,
muhammad's,
condemnation
of
blackness
and
just
to
understand
much,
you
know
much
of
what
we
maybe
even
thought
we
knew
but
I'll
stop
there.
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
that.
A
G
C
Thank
you
laura
and
thank
you
everyone
for
this
presentation
tonight.
I
have
a
couple
of
quick
questions.
I'd
just
like
to
pose.
C
First,
the
report
recommends
hiring
five
unarmed
responders,
though
the
subcommittee
does
know
that
they
will
be
responding
to
potentially
up
to
one-third
of
the
calls
that
are
generated
through
9-1-1
and
for
me
there
seemed
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a
workload
disconnect
as
I
was
reading
through
that
it
seems
like
a
conservative
estimate
for
the
number
of
calls
an
unarmed
responder
would
be
needed
to
reply
reply
to
and
then
because
of
the
nature
of
the
co-response
model.
C
Obviously
we
could
we
can
envision
scenarios
where
that
the
number
of
responses
are
are
increasing.
Related
to
this
I
would
like
to
have
a
clearer
picture
of
the
public
finance
and
the
budgetary
component
needed
to
fully
support
this.
I
appreciate
the
comments
about
how
the
on
the
on
ramping
costs
could
potentially
be
spread
out
over
a
couple
of
years.
That
being
said
right,
the
proposed
budget
is
1.15
million.
C
For
a
commissioner
director
of
community
solutions,
the
five
on
responders
a
data
analyst
and
supporting
equipment
and
training,
I
don't
see
any
additional
administrative
personnel
to
support
an
expansion
of
the
existing
department.
Beyond
the
data
analyst
and
to
the
previous
point,
I
don't
think
we
have
a
clear
picture
of
what
a
fully
staffed
division
of
community
solutions
would
look
like
again.
I
know
the
report
says
explicitly.
C
A
Yeah
thanks
rob
those
are
good
questions.
Those
are
questions
that
we
discussed
in
the
working
group
and
you
know
when
we
say
that
this
proposal
spans
a
couple
of
years
of
budget
cycle,
it's
probably
closer
to
four
years.
In
my
estimation
of
budget
cycles,
one
of
the
very
first
things
that
we'll
be
looking
at
in
implementation-
I
believe,
is
the
commissioner
position.
A
So
karen
eric.
I
Yes,
I
wanted
to
point
out
laura
that
in
the
original
charge
that
common
council
had
given
us,
it
also
stated
within
that
final
document
that
a
task
force
common
council
will
be
creating
a
task
force
to
go
through
the
whole
implementation
process.
So
all
of
the
questions
that
you
had
asked
robert
would
be
addressed
at
that
time
with
the
as
the
task
force
that
hires
the
commission
and
so
forth.
A
And
and
would
also
be
working
with
the
community
justice
center
right,
because
the
cjc
has
a
charge
that
definitely
involves
implementation,
so
there
will
be
collaborations
there
has
been
collaborations
thus
far
and
will
be
collaborations
as
we
go
forward
as
well.
A
Eric
did
you
have
any
further
comment
on
that.
One:
okay,
jorge,
I
saw
your
hand
up
go
ahead.
Please.
L
Thank
you,
and
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
as
well
to
the
wonderful
presenters
and
for
all
the
work
that
you've
been
doing.
This
is
a
very
good
presentation,
I'm
very
thankful
for
it.
My
thoughts
on
the
report
and
the
proposed
solutions
put
forth
in
this
part,
and
I
recognize
that
this
is
just
a
part.
It's
not
it's
in
its
totality,
but
I
think
that
there
are
really
good
responsive
reforms
to
public
safety
here.
L
But
my
concerns
are
that
they're
they're
in
a
limited
scope
that,
in
you
know
to
be
completely
frank
and
honest,
fall
short
of
of
the
stated
goal
of
reimagining
public
safety,
and
and
by
that
I
mean
that
the
good
reforms
present
here
in
my
estimate
seem
limited
in
their
in
their
capacity
and
what
they
can
accomplish.
L
While
many
of
the
aspects
and
institutions
that
are
in
need
of
of
reimagining
and
reform
still
remain
unchanged
and
and
for
an
example,
the
report's
recommendation
and
and
robert
sort
of
touched
touched
on
this.
The
report's
recognition
is
to
hire
five
unarmed
responders.
Meanwhile,
the
division
of
police
will,
from
my
understanding,
maintain
its
about
around
60,
60,
plus
membership
and
there's
that
concern,
as
robert
mentioned,
that
they'll
be
dealing
with
a
third
of
the
calls.
But
but
beyond
that,
just
sort
of
optics
wise
descends.
L
You
know
this
doesn't
seem
to
send
a
strong
message
about.
You
know:
reimagining
public
safety,
especially
given
that
the
responsibilities
they'll
be
tasked
with
in
regards
to
call
donation
and
then.
Secondly,
I
recognize
that
the
report
details
that
the
police
budget
will
be
determined
by
the
next
collective
bargaining
argument
agreement
that
we'll
be
getting
involved
with
with
ipba
and
such.
L
But
I
do
believe
in
my
in
my
estimate
that
I
think
it
was
a
mistake
not
to
at
the
very
least
make
a
recommendation
of
what
the
division
of
police's
budget
should
be
for
council's
discretion,
and
and
by
that
you
know,
I
mean
that
the
policing
is
is
a
very
huge
and
inconsequential
part
of
reimagining
public
safety
and
so
failing
to
have
a
conversation
of
what
that
should
look
like,
especially
when
a
lot
of
the
responsibilities
they
will
be
tasked
with
will
be
offloaded
to
a
different
division.
L
Now
it
just
it
feels
like
it's,
a
failing
of
of
trying
to
capture
the
whole,
really
imagining
public
safety,
and
I
don't
mean
this-
to
harangue
or
or
or
diminish
the
wonderful
work
that
you
guys
have
done.
I'm
just
concerned
that
you
know
there's
there's
more
potential
to
go
farther
with
the
reforms
that
you
have
made
so
far,
and-
and
I
want
to
hear
if
you
have
any
rationale
to
provide
on
that.
I
Change
takes
time
and
and
saying
that
originally,
when
it
was
set
forth
by
common
council
last
april
to
set
a
working
working
group,
then
in
june
the
mayor
had
announced
a
working
group
and
said:
oh
will.
Working
group
has
an
end
date
of
september.
To
complete
all
of
this
change
takes
time
we
realize
as
a
working
group.
I
There
was
at
times
we
heard
some
disconnect
with
the
call
types
and
we
need
further
explanation
as
well
as
michael
steinle
eric,
and
I
took
a
visit
of
the
department
of
emergency
response
to
just
see,
dispatch
in
action
and
he's
he's
offered
and
will
continue
to
offer
collaborative
to
work
with
the
fire
department,
ems
and
ipd
for
them
to
come
and
see
the
whole
process
of
the
dispatch
and
how
they
can
fine-tune
that
whole
process
of
getting
the
calls.
I
As
stated,
and
as
we
go
through
this
reimagine
process,
we're
dealing
with
individuals
that
there
has
to
be
a
paradigm
shift
too.
We
each
individually
have
to
know
how
to
how
to
see
things
differently
and
working
with
existing
staff,
as
well
as
working
with
future
staff
that,
as
stated
different
biases
that
people
may
bring
to
the
table.
We
have
to
address
that
as
and
part
of
like
performance
management
and
evaluation.
I
So
all
of
that
it
will
take
time
as
we
continue
on
this
process.
Eric
is
there
anything
else.
G
We're
trying
to
set
up
a
structure
that
allows
us
to
build
from
here
from
from
where
we're
suggesting
or
hey.
I
appreciated
your
point
very
much.
Actually
you
know
your
frankness
and
and
seeing
it
as
a
failing-
and
I
think
that's
refreshing
just
to
say
you
know
how
you,
how
you
feel
and
how
you
see
it
and
how
you
did
so
so
sensitively
we're
we're
trying
to
set
up
an
infrastructure
that
will
will
grow
with
time
in
terms
of
it's
providing
the
appropriate
response.
G
We
know
in
that
year,
one
we,
you
have
that
call
type
delineation
and
you
see
it
and
you
go.
How
do
five
handle
all
of
this
and
64
funded
positions
are
handling
these?
Well,
it's
it's
not
going
to
be
that
with.
Obviously,
in
that
first
year,
you
can't
give
all
of
that
to
the
five
unarmed
this
that's
what
we
want
to
like
in
the
denver
star
program,
for
example,
you
know
they
have
unarmed
responders.
They
had
a
pilot
for
a
year
and
then
or
sorry
six
months
and
decide
to
expand
from
there.
G
A
Yeah,
if,
if
I
may
also
just
comment
that
the
the
estimates
you
see
right
now
in
the
proposed
budget,
those
may
change
and,
for
example,
there
could
be
some-
there
will
be
certainly
some
shared
services,
so
the
department
would
payroll,
for
example,
one
example
would
be
covered
by
existing
city
services,
so
we
will
be
evaluating.
A
We
common
council
will
be
evaluating
on
a
regular
basis.
There
will
be
regular
reports
to
common
council
on
progress
as
we
move
through
the
implementation
phase
and
as
we
move
into
new
positions
coming
coming
on
board,
and
it's
going
to
be
very
important,
as
others
have
said,
for
the
new
commissioner
of
the
new
department
to
set
the
tone
set
the
culture
for
the
department
going
forward.
M
Thanks
laura
my
my
original
point
was
brought
up
by
rob.
I
I
noticed
there
was
no
office
staff
in
the
budget
for
the
new
commissioner
and
the
new
director
of
community
responders.
So
obviously,
that's
gonna
be
an
expense
and
and
eric
pretty
much
answered,
jorge's
question
about
the
initial
staffing
of
only
five
community
responders.
Obviously,
the
police
division
will
continue
to
answer
all
those
calls
in
addition
to
the
the
five
who
are
we're
just
we're
just
getting
started.
M
I
personally
have
no
problem
with
police
continuing
to
answer
non
life,
threatening
and
serious
calls,
because
that
gives
them
an
opportunity
to
get
to
know
people
in
the
community,
and
I
I,
as
I've
said
during
the
task
force
meetings.
I
I
don't
think
the
police
division
should
be
limited
to
serious
high
pressure
calls
because
then
people
start
to
think
of
them
as
public
servants
who
only
come
when
there's
really
big
trouble
and
that
that
can
cause
some
of
the
cultural
problems
that
we're
already
facing.
So.
G
Laura,
may
I
say
something
really
quickly
about
just
just
on
that
point:
the
police
police,
if
they
are
freed
up
from
many
of
those
other
call
types
with
that
time,
can
be
spent
with
purposeful,
meaningful
interactions
with
the
community
that
are
not
taking
place
in
the
hot
house
of
call.
You
know,
and
and
and
so
that's
that's
one
of
the
ideas
that
the
time
can
be
spent
purposefully
and
meaningfully
in
a
more
positive
way.
Building
that
trust,
but
totally
sensitive.
What
you're
saying
george?
A
D
You,
first
of
all,
thank
you,
everyone
for
for
all
of
the
work
that
you've
done
the
dedication,
the
coordination
getting
this
down
on
paper
and
then
your
presentation,
which
I
I
found
to
be
you
know
very
clear
and
and
frank
and
and
honest,
and
and
really
helpfully
outlining
the
the
challenges
and
the
considerations
that
were
put
into
creating
this
report
and
all
the
work
that
you've
done.
So
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
I
I
recognize
it.
D
You
know,
as,
as
you
reminded
us
right,
you
were
charged
with
flushing
out
items
that
were
given
to
you
by
council
and
councils
charge
stem
from
the
original
reimagining
public
safety
report
from
the
year
prior
and
in
many
ways
I
I
felt
that
that
report
originally
didn't
go
far
enough
someplace.
I
thought
it
went
way
too
far
and
and
going
back
to
you
know,
speaking
about
the
culture
of
of
policing.
D
The
culture
of
interaction,
I
think
is,
is
at
the
root
of
everything
that
we're
hoping
to
do,
but
there's
very
little
in
here
that
actually
deals
with
the
culture
deals
with
that
interaction
and
making
sure
that
we
can
have
internal
checks
of
how
our
minoritized
communities
are
being
impacted
by
by
policing
and
and
that's
not
your
fault.
Obviously,
you
weren't
charged
with
looking
at
that,
but
I
think
that
that
was
a
huge
gap
in
the
original
report.
D
I
think
that
goes
into
like,
inter
internal
reviews,
staffing
reviews.
How
do
we
have
a
safe
way
for
people,
because
you
know
officers
know
who
the
problem
officers
are.
How
do
we
create
a
safe
space
for
them
to
identify
that
work
with
that
correct
it
train
it,
and
then
you
know
resolve
it
if
necessary.
D
So
that
aside,
there's
a
couple
things
that
that
I
wanted
to
ask
about.
You
know
it
says
that,
and
you've
said
this
is
a
evolutionary
iterative
process.
The
county
is
piloting
a
very
similar
program
with
a
non-armed
response,
as
you
as
is
being
proposed
here,
but
they're
piloting
it.
But
in
this
recommendation
it's
not
a
pilot,
it's
actually
to
go
ahead
and
start
it
and
then
evolve
it
along
the
way.
D
It
seems
that
a
pilot
program
would
be
an
appropriate
thing
to
duplicate
here
and
see
how
it
works
before
we
actually
integrate
it
into
a
whole
new
structure,
because
that
way
it
would
inform
us
on
on
the
best
way
to
bring
that
forward.
I
do
question
the
the
number.
I
I
think
five
is
probably
you
know
just
thinking
of
the
the
timing
of
individuals
and
how
we
work
on
a
24-hour
basis
or
seven
days
a
week.
Does
that
work.
D
One
thing
that
hasn't
been
mentioned
here,
which
I
think
is
an
important
component,
is
the
dovetailing
that
not
all
responses
should
actually
be
by
a
city
staff
person.
We
should
be
having
response
by
county
mental
health,
county
addiction,
recovery
assistance.
D
D
D
I
believe
it's
grade
12,
which
is
the
highest
grade.
All
department
heads
in
the
city
of
that
grade
are
actually
approved
by
council.
They
are,
they
go
through
a
hiring
process
where
two
members
of
council
members
of
the
community
and
subject
matter
experts
are
all
part
of
the
hiring
process.
D
Recommendations
are
made
to
the
mayor.
The
mayor
then
recommends
to
council,
and
it
is
council,
in
fact
who
appoints
the
chief
of
police,
and
I
think
that
that
is
a
very,
very
important
thing
to
keep
in
mind,
because
it
is
council,
then,
on
behalf
of
the
community,
that
can
look
at
that
chief
of
police
and
ask
you
know:
is
this
the
right
person
to
oversee
our
police
department
and
our
law
enforcement
response
and
the
by
taking
the
chief
of
police
out
as
a
department
head
there?
No
longer
is
that
oversight.
D
It
probably
is
the
trigger
I'm
guessing
as
to
why
we
would
need
to
go
to
referendum,
because
you
would
be
depriving
and
taking
away
council's
authority
to
choose
the
chief
of
police.
D
A
Cynthia,
if
I
may
jump
in
I'm
sorry
apologize
to
interrupt,
but
I
want
to
just
insert
here
that
at
this
point,
in
my
view,
we
would
not
be
in
a
position
to
implement
any
pilot,
because
some
of
what
your
the
questions
you're
raising,
are
very
good
questions
and
points.
However,
I
believe
the
commissioner
would
set
some
of
that
in
conjunction
with
with
the
mayor,
so
we
to
my
view,
should
be
looking
at
commissioner
as
setting
speaking
to
what
has
been
raised
earlier
about
culture
of
the
department.
A
It
will
be
a
huge
task
of
a
commissioner
coming
into
that
role
to
set
the
tone
set
the
culture
I
I
don't
want
to
jump
ahead
of
ourselves
in
terms
of
some
of
the
staffing
decisions
or
or
concerns
or
moving
conversation
forward
about
a
pilot
program.
I
don't
want
us
to
get
into
the
weeds
before
without
with
losing
sight
of
the
larger
picture,
and
I
don't
know
if
you
may
have
additional
questions,
but
I
just
want
to
refer
first
to
eric
karen,
possibly
ari,
who
has
joined
us.
A
K
I
mean
I'm
happy
to
speak,
but
there's
nothing
that
I
was
particularly
looking
to
say.
If
you
want
me
to
any
answering
those
questions,
I'm
happy
to,
though.
G
One
one
one
quick
thing:
just
as
a
reminder:
the
charge
from
council
that
the
council
voted
unanimously
on
and
said
that
you
were
part
of
that
vote
called
for
the
creation
of
a
new
department
and
the
two
units
and
specifically
said
that
the
retaining
the
armed
unit
that
that
unit
would
be
overseen
by
someone
who
would
be
recognized
under
new
york
state
law
as
a
chief
of
police.
G
So
when
you
ask
have
we
considered
that
well,
we
followed
the
charge.
Council
gave
us
to
do
exactly
what
you're,
seeing
today
and
in
terms
of
the
taking
away
the
authority
of
council
and
obviously
council
would
have
the
authority.
G
I
won't
say
obviously,
because
nothing
is
nothing's
obvious.
I
learned
that
through
this
process.
Let
me
just
temper
that
and
just
say
to
me:
I
would
hope
that
you
know
we
look
at
this
and
I
think
any,
maybe
any
one
of
those
two
director
roles.
You
know
you
could
create
whatever
policy
you
want
in
terms
of
council's
involvement.
How
robust
you
want
that
search
process.
To
be
all
of
that,
I
I
don't
know
what
will
be
in
the
way.
G
Ari
may
may
correct
me,
but
just
as
a
former
member
of
council,
it
seems
to
me
that
there
is
a
great
opportunity
to
make
that
as
robust
as
you
want
it
as
you
want
it
to
be.
But
I
just
wanted
to
remind
you
that
that
was
the
outline,
and
so
that's
what
you're
seeing
and
I'll
stop
there.
D
So
you
do
have
police
commissioners
who
are
not
police
officers
and-
and
that
is
allowed.
So
you
could
have
a
commissioner
who
oversees
the
department,
who
is
also
chief
of
police,
who
has
the
the
skill
sets
that
we
select
and
therefore
you
would
not
actually
need
the
two
divisions
within
and
underneath
the
the
commissioner,
because
the
commissioner
could
also
be
the
chief
of
police
by
law.
So
we
do
have
that
opportunity
within
the
language
that
was
adopted
to
do
that.
A
Well,
I
I
will
just
jump
in
and
say
that
was
not
the
the
intent
of
our
our
resolution
and
it
was
not
the
intent.
D
A
A
E
I
just
was,
I
was
just
feeling
this,
like
with
the
chief
of
police,
this
conversation
here.
This
is
about
reimagining
and
I
I
don't
know,
go
ahead
karen
love
to
see
you
so
happy
to
see
you.
I
Happy
to
see
you
too,
thank
you,
phoebe
for
and,
and
I
I
wanted
to
remind
everyone
that
we've
passed
the
report
on
to
ari
that
will
be
he'll,
be
able
to
get
give
those
details
and
specifics
about
grade
levels
and
so
forth,
information
that
we
might
not
be
familiar
with,
but,
as
you
said,
cynthia,
not
all
response
by
city
staff.
Yes-
and
this
is
where
michael
steinle
at
department
of
emergency
response
is
reaching
out
to
the
ems
fire
department
ipd
to
go
through
the
call
types
to
just
see.
Well,
how
do
we?
I
Because
there
are
other
areas
that
may
have
more
call
types
than
what
we
currently
have
and
more
than
what
ipd
is
working
on,
so
to
fine-tune
the
call
types
to
be
able
to
divide
up
in
the
responsibilities
which
the
commissioner
can
look
at
and
throughout
this
whole
initiative
too,
we
did
hear
from
police
about
overwork
overwhelmed
and
so
forth.
That's
why
we've
even
looked
at
the
pitman
model.
I
That's
why
we
talked
about
work-life
balance
and
so
forth,
and
but
we
also
are
charged
with
looking
at
charged
by
common
council
but
charged
by
the
reality
of
what's
happening
in
our
nation
charge,
to
look
at
what
is
happening
within
the
black
and
brown
community.
We
do
not.
We
haven't
been
getting
data
within
the
ipd
to
actually
see
how
many
times
police
is
going
to
different
areas
in
the
same
areas
over
a
number
of
times.
So
we're
saying
in
this
report,
let
us
utilize
our
higher
ed
for
the
research
and
data.
I
Let
us
work
with
cjc,
as
well
as
the
other
departments
or
the
data
analysts
and
all
so
with
regard
to
the
chief
of
police,
we've
already
detailed
in
there
about
there's
a
working
title,
classification,
title
and
so
forth,
but
it
has
to
be
according
to
new
york
state
law,
and
we
will
follow
that
in
and
there
was
reference
of
and
one
of
your
original
points
about
mental
health,
and
we
know
that
the
county
already
has
certain
things
in
place
around
that.
And
how
can
we
work
with
the
county
on
that.
A
Thank
you.
Karen
ducks
and
you've
not
had
a
chance
to
speak
yet,
and
I
see
your
hand
up
go
ahead.
Please.
N
Thank
you
just
for
the
so
for
the
benefit
of
the
public
and
myself
for
that
matter.
N
We're
supposed
to
talk
about
this
in
april
next
and
I'm
curious
what
that
process
will
look
like
and
how
this
report
gets
turned
into
legislation,
potentially
a
referendum.
If
a
charter
change
is
required,
and
then
you
know
whether
you
know,
I
think
our
debates
are
more
productive
when
we
have
something
concrete
to
discuss
so
that
we
can
move
forward
and
curious
what
we
expect
that
to
look
like.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
very
good
question
and
moves
us.
I
think,
into
the
the
next
phase
of
this
tonight
was
the
first
presentation
of
the
re-imagining
public
safety
working
group
recommendations.
There
will
be
time
for
further
discussion
in
our
april
common
council
meeting.
We
will
need
to
make
some
determination
based
on
comments,
questions,
input
review
by
a
number
of
people.
I
mean
city
staff,
for
example,
what
resolution
or
plural
what
resolutions
will
be
necessary
as
we
move
forward.
A
A
K
Sure
glad
to
yeah.
Thank
you.
The,
depending
on
the
version
of
events
that
council
selects
going
forward.
K
K
So
working
back
from
that
date,
and
this,
of
course,
is
assuming
that
council
not
only
selects
a
route
that
will
require
a
referendum
which
I
think
is
highly
likely
given
the
report.
But
it
obviously
depends
what
council
will
end
up
selecting
it
also,
of
course
assumes
that
council
would
choose
to
move
forward
with
the
referendum
this
year.
Obviously,
if
council
wanted
to
wait
for
a
future
year,
then
this
timeline
would
not
apply
this
year,
but
I'm
assuming
that
the
council
is
looking
to
move
this
year.
K
So
if
council
were
looking
to
move
this
year,
you'd
be
looking
at
a
final
council
vote
at
july
council
meeting
working
back
from
that.
It
would
be,
I
think,
very
wise
for
council
to
have
brought
into
meaningful
focus
where
it's
looking
to
go
by
may
council
and
then
to
have
at
may
committee
draft
implementing
legislation
to
be
reviewed
in
may
and
as
selected
in
june,
and
then
moved
to
a
final
vote
in
july
on
the
implementing
legislation.
K
I
would
imagine,
though,
as
laura
said,
it
will
really
depend
on
what
council
chooses
to
do.
I
would
imagine
that
there
will
be
probably
a
resolution
that
says
what
council
wants
to
do
in
the
first
place,
and
then
there
will
be
one
or
more
pieces
of
implementing
legislation
that
actually
gives
council
the
opportunity
to
legislatively
implement
that
and
yeah
that's
the
short
version
of
it.
A
Thank
you
that
that's
helpful
to
have
that
sense
of
timeline
moving
forward.
Does
that
answer
some
of
your
question
duckson?
Thank
you
great.
I
do
want
to
move
forward
with
our
agenda,
but
cynthia,
I
see
that,
do
you
still
have
your
hand
up
or
is
that
a
old
hand
or
a
new
hand.
D
It's
a
new
hand.
I
do
just
have
one
question
and
we
don't
have
to
answer
it
now,
but
it
would
be
good
to
have
the
answers
for
this
for
our
next
meeting
when
this
comes
back
for
discussion,
because,
of
course
it's
not
on
the
agenda
today.
D
Obviously,
a
significant
component
of
this
report
is
built
off
the
work
of
the
matrix,
consulting
group,
as
well
as
the
center
for
policing,
equity,
and
so
I'm
just
looking
for
just
an
official
response
with
regards
to
how
were
these
two
organizations
funded
or
selected
and
funded?
Did
we
go
through
an
rfq
process.
A
I
think
we
can
address
those
questions
pretty
readily.
I
don't
think
those
are
at
least
not
intended
on
my
part
to
be
part
of
this
evening's
presentation
of
of
the
recommendation.
So
thank
you
for
raising
those
questions
and
we
will
certainly
be
turning
to
the
questions
you've
just
raised
as
well
as
additional
questions
in
our
april
meeting.
Wonderful
thank.
D
A
All
right
well
at
this
point
I
would
once
again
just
like
to
express
gratitude,
great
appreciation
for
all
the
meetings,
all
the
work
that
eric
karen
mona,
hans
working
group
members
shelley
this
effort
and
this
timing
of
reimagining
public
safety
is,
to
my
mind,
so
important.
A
I
am
very
hopeful
that
we
will
not
miss
this
opportunity
to
substantially
examine
how
we
provide
public
safety
in
our
community
and
respond
to
the
executive
order
and
the
resolution
passed
by
council
by
looking
through
the
lens
of
equity,
social
justice
and
fairness
in
building
community
safety
for
all
members
within
our
community.
A
So,
thank
you
so
much
and
we
will
now
move
on
with
our
agenda.
And
the
next
item
is
public
comment
and
I
understand
we
do
have
some
members
of
the
public
and
julie.
If
you
want
to
oh-
and
I
I'm
sorry-
I
I
understand
that
often
we
will
have
reports
from
municipal
officials
from
our
partners
across
the
the
county.
I
understand
we
do
not
have
any
reports
from
municipal
officials
tonight
I
didn't
mean
to
skip
that
agenda
item,
but
julie.
You
don't
have
anyone.
B
No
that's
correct.
I
did
not
hear
from
anybody
this
month.
So
if
we're
moving
on
to
public
comment,
our
first
speaker
is
genevieve
rand
following
genevieve
will
be
maddie,
halper
and
genevieve.
You
can
start.
You
know
you
have
three
minutes
and
I
will
interrupt
you
when
you
reach
that
timeline.
So
you
can
start
whenever
you're
ready.
G
If
I
can
go
from
that,
you
deferred
I'm
sorry
about
that,
and
thank
you
for
the
for
being
here.
B
A
Thanks
so
much
eric,
thank
you
eric
and
karen
and
others
yeah.
Thank
you
and
julie.
Thank
you
for
that
reminder.
Our
speakers
in
public
comment
do
have
three
minutes
to
address,
counsel
and
julie.
Thankfully,
is
our
time
keeper
and
we'll
give
a
one
minute
warning
as
someone
is
speaking
so
genevieve,
are
you
there
yeah,
I'm
here?
Okay,
great,
go
ahead,
please
so.
P
This
to
be
clear,
is
not
directed
at
the
people
who
have
given
the
presentation.
I
you
know
not
at
all.
It's.
N
P
That's
like
on
top
of
that,
and
I
don't
think
that
that
really
meets
the
sort
of
promise
of
reimagining
what
public
safety
is
even
on
the
fundamental
basis
that
like
does
public
safety,
mean
you
know,
policing,
incarcerating,
punishing
people
who
a
lot
of
the
times
are
committing.
You
know
petty
crimes
of
desperation
or
even
when
it's
violent
crime,
it's
still
of
desperation.
P
P
A
consistent
demand
was
the
redistribution
of
funds
from
the
police
to
other
things
that
actually
keep
people
safe
and
not
just
unarmed
response
and
social
workers
and
so
on,
but
things
like
stable,
affordable
housing
things
like
social
assistance
for
people
who
are
in
positions
that
lead
them
to
have
to
break
the
law
in
order
to
meet
their
needs,
etc,
etc.
So
there's
that
and
then
the
other
thing
is
revisiting
the
point
that
the
police,
several
of
the
officers
on
this
force
like
we
know
the
names
of
people
who
have
brutalized
and
killed
people.
P
A
B
A
Thank
you
your
time,
your
time
speaking,
your
time,
addressing
counsel
has
has
expired,
but
thank
you
for
your
comment.
B
J
Yeah,
so
I
do
want
to
read
this
new
report
fully
right
off
the
bat
resonating.
With
some
other
people's
comments.
I
think
the
idea
of
only
hiring
five
unarmed
officers,
while
keeping
you
know
over
60
police,
even
if
that's
just
in
the
first
year,
it
just
feels
really
off
and
yeah.
I
know
that
also
this
report
was
focused
on
this
new
department,
but
I
do
also
want
to
say
that
I
think
in
this
whole
process
it
is
really
critical
to
you
know
to
be
considering.
J
How
are
we
maximizing
funding
and
planning,
for
you
know,
community-based
programs,
organizations
that
are
doing
the
work
that
actually
keeps
our
community
safe
by
meeting
people's
needs
and
and
yeah.
Also,
a
few
people
have
said
that
this,
the
concept
of
reimagining,
I
think,
is
like
really
misapplied
here
to
what's.
J
Actually,
you
know
what's
actually
happening
with
with
ending
up
with
something
that
is,
you
know
so
continuing
to
rely
on
our
same
like
armed,
you
know
armed
police
force,
and
I
want
to
bring
attention
to
the
work
that
tiffany
caban
is
lifting
up.
She's
now
on
the
city
council
in
new
york
city,
and
I
highly
recommend
everybody
look
at
her
public
safety
plans
because
they
are
exactly
focused
in
those
like
community.
J
You
know
community
organized
community
solutions,
groups
that
are
already
doing
that
work
and
I
think
you
know
if
we
are
serious
about
reimagining
safety.
I
think
stepping
back
to
look
at
some
of
the
flaws
of
what
this
working
group
was
tasked
with.
J
You
know,
given
what
was
set
forth
by
council
last
year
because,
like
with
that
history,
if
we're
confronting
that
history
of
policing
being
an
institution
designed
to
reinforce
colonization,
racial
hierarchy,
you
know,
if
we're
actually
trying
to
not
just
reform
it
in
ways
that
continue
to
repeat
that,
then
we
have
to,
I
think,
address
the
systemic
power
that
policing
holds
as
an
institution,
including
through
the
police
union,
and
I
don't
think
that's
happening
in
this
process.
J
Thanks
how
much
room
do
people
have
to
reimagine
if
it
was
already
agreed
at
the
outset
that
we
would
keep
all
the
current
police
officers?
You
know
even
those
that
have
records
of
brutality,
as
other
people
have
mentioned
yeah
they
can.
They
can
get
a
different
job,
because
at
some
point
I
think
we
actually.
J
I
don't
see
that
happening
in
this
process
at
all,
but
I
think
that
is
truly
what
we
need
so
that
you
know
communities
that
policing
has
been
violent
against,
can
have
space
to
imagine
and
create
the
robust
systems
that
will
keep
everyone
safe
and
that
the
city
can,
then
you
know
actually
be
free
freely
able
to
commit
to
whatever
that
is
and
have
those
funds
for
it
so
again,
look
towards
what
tiffany
caban
has
compiled
for
better
examples
of
actually
reimagining
public
safety.
A
You
maddie
thank
you
maddie
next
speaker.
A
Q
I
have
a
timer.
You
don't
need
to
give
me
a
one
minute
warning:
okay,
my
name's
zachary
nguyen.
Some
of
these
are
questions
I
have
sent
directly
to
co-leads
karen
yearwood
and
eric
rosario,
to
which
I
received
no
response.
I
would
appreciate
it
if
they
could
get
back
to
me
with
answers
at
some
point
is
the
amos
malone
that
has
been
serving
on
their
reimagining
public
safety
working
group.
Q
Why
were
the
members
of
the
working
group
asked
not
to
speak
publicly
about
the
activities
of
the
working
group?
Why
have
the
working
groups
activities
not
been
made
available
in
any
form
since
its
inception
seven
months
ago?
Specifically,
why
I
have
no
records
of
any
zoom
meetings
been
made
available
to
the
public
to
review
or
minutes
of
those
meetings
been
made
available?
Q
Were
these
closed
meetings
of
a
committee
membership
under
instructions
not
to
speak
about
their
activities?
Part
of
what
you
consider
a
transparent
process
are
members
of
the
committee
now
free
to
speak
publicly
about
the
experience
on
the
committee.
It
has
recently
come
to
light
that
an
associate
of
former
mayor
svante
merrick
through
young
elected
officials,
an
arm
of
the
people
for
the
american
way
a
miss
alana
byrd,
is
now
the
executive
director
of
an
organization
called
ithacans
for
reimagining
public
safety.
Q
She
recently
submitted
two
editorials
and
local
publications,
critical
of
the
ithaca
police,
benevolent
association
in
support
of
the
reimagination
plan.
I
would
like
to
know
a
former
mayor
merrick,
who
is
now
executive
director
for
the
people
of
the
american
way
is
employing
his
former
associate,
miss
byrd
to
lobby
in
support
of
this
reimagination
plan.
Why
does
this
reimagination
plan
require
a
washington
dc
lobbyist
to
promote
it?
Q
Is
mayor,
mia
merritt
continuing
to
be
involved
in
the
reimagination
process
through
intermediaries,
the
reimagination
process
and
abolishment
of
the
ipd
was
seemingly
a
foregone
conclusion
grounding
forward
behind
closed
doors
for
several
months,
with
no
attention
given
to
objections
from
the
community
or
the
true
stakeholders,
the
police,
and
no
regard
of
the
impact
on
idb
ipd's
ability
to
serve
the
community.
This
reform
effort
appears
to
be
rooted
in
the
historical
falsehood
that
policing
originated
with
slave
catching
an
absurd
belief
that
phoebe
brown
expressed
in
this
very
meeting.
Q
The
original
reimagination
document
that
came
from
the
center
for
policing,
equity
and
included
the
19
recommendations
was
heavily
referenced
in
ms
burt's
letter
to
the
ithaca
voice.
Page
9
of
that
draft
report
states
that
the
vicious
legacy
of
white
supremacy
is
a
root
cause
of
suffering
around
the
globe.
Do
you,
as
members
of
the
common
council
and
members
of
the
reimagining
public
safety
and
working
group,
agree
with
this
statement?
Is
the
reimagining
process
aimed
at
addressing
white
supremacy
as
a
root
cause
of
suffering?
Is
the
ithaca
police
department,
a
manifestation
of
white
supremacy?
Q
Ipba
president
tom
conzella,
who
is
a
member
of
the
reimagining
working
group,
has
discussed
the
inability
of
the
ithaca
police
department
to
recruit
and
retain
new
officers
despite
a
new
contract
and
a
bonus
for
lateral
transfers?
How
does
the
new
department
resulting
from
the
implementation
of
recommendation
number
one
intend
to
recruit
and
retain
officers
when
the
reimagining
process
itself
is
a
primary
cause
of
recruitment
and
retention
issues
at
the
ithaca
police
department?
B
A
Okay,
thank
you
privilege
of
the
floor.
Any
council
members
wish
to
respond
to
any
speaker.
A
E
Go
ahead,
I'd
like
to
respond
to
zachary.
E
I
think
you
should
go
back
and
look
at
your
history
and
what
we
are
saying
is
this
policing
has
been
steeped
in
systemic
racism
and
if
you
or
anyone
else
are
not
aware
of
that
sorry,
but
we
have
watched
over
these
last
years
and
throughout
history,
black
and
brown
people
killed
by
the
hands
of
white
supremacists.
E
So
you
know:
hey,
like
you
really
do
your
history
and
and,
as
you
can
see,
reimagining
this
whole
reimagining.
We
didn't
lose
and
stop
the
hype
with
all
this
gun.
Violence
to
make
people
think
we
need
more
policing.
Police
don't
arrive
until
after
after
the
crime
has
been
committed.
So
what
we
need
is
to
really
begin
to
do
the
work
that
these
individuals
has
come
together
and
did
an
amazing
job
tonight.
So
I
thank
you
karen
mona
and
I
forgot
oh
eric,
but
thank
you.
A
Thank
you,
phoebe
george.
I
see
your
hand.
M
Yeah
I
just
unmuted
myself
two
times
in
a
row,
so
there
you
go.
I
would
just
like
to
say
that
calling
people
out
by
name
is
is
bad
form,
we're
not
supposed
to
do
that
and
it.
It
shows
a
lack
of
class,
whether
that's
zach
or
genevieve,
and
I'd
just
like
to
announce
the
fact
that
in
1987
I
got
a
dwi.
M
So
you
can
spread
that
around.
If
you
want.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Please
shout
out
if
I've
missed
seeing
anyone,
but
let's
do
move
on
then
with
our
consent
agenda.
A
Next
on
our
agenda,
is
there
a
motion
to
would
someone
wish
to
move
the
consent
agenda?
I
see
robert
and
a
second.
A
Oh
yes,
yes,
and
that
is
a
nine
zero
vote.
We
are
minus
one
alder
person
tonight.
Patrick,
did
you
have
your
hand
up.
F
I
just
really
quickly
within
the
consent
agenda
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
folks
who
worked
on
3.2
dpw
and
the
stuart
app
project
I
drove
over
it
the
other
day
and
my
car
didn't
get
totally
messed
up
going
over
the
brick.
So
thank
you
to
all
the
people
who
are
already
working
on
that
and
I
appreciate
people
also
working
on
finalizing
the
rest
of
student
app.
So
thank
you.
A
C
Thank
you
laura.
So
we'll
start
with
a
4.1
dpw:
supplemental
agreement
for
east
state
mlk
junior
street
mill
and
pave,
whereas
a
project
for
the
state
street
route,
79
mill
and
pave,
is
eligible
for
funding
under
title
23.
U.S
code
is
amended
that
calls
for
the
apportionment
of
the
cost
of
such
program
to
be
born
at
a
ratio
of
80
federal
funds
and
20
non-federal
funds.
C
I
will
just
jump
down
to
the
resolved
here.
The
relevant
resolved
tiers
resolve
that
common
council
hereby
approves
the
above
subject:
project
subject
to
further
environmental
review
of
construction
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
common
council
hereby
authorize
the
city
of
ithaca
to
pay.
C
In
the
first
instance,
100
of
the
federal
and
non-federal
share
of
the
cost
of
preliminary
engineering
design,
work
for
the
project
or
portions
thereof,
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
sum
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
is
hereby
appropriated
from
the
issuance
of
serial
bonds
and
made
available
to
cover
the
cost
of
participation
in
the
above
phase
of
project
and
being
further
resolved.
That
common
council
hereby
amends
capital
project
880
to
include
the
additional
project
costs
of
a
hundred
thousand
dollars,
bringing
the
total
authorization
to
400
000.
C
And
I'll
go
to
the
this
part
here
the
resolve
that
this
project
may
be
undertaken
with
the
understanding
that
the
final
cost,
the
project
to
the
city
of
ithaca
will
be
roughly
20
of
said
portion
currently
estimated
at
80
000
of
the
400
thousand
dollars
authorized
for
this
portion
of
the
project
in
monies
and
in
kind
services
as
managed
by
the
superintendent
of
public
works
and
monitored
by
the
city
controller.
I'll
move
this
as
written.
I
don't
call
for
a
second,
because
I'm
not
sharing
this.
A
C
Would
just
note
also
that
this
that
this
it
says,
80
000
here
this
project
actually
is
not
expected
to
cost
the
city
even
close
to
that
amount
out
of
pocket.
Steve
is
here
if
we
want
to
elaborate
further
on
that,
but
I
don't
know
cynthia
maybe
had
a
question.
I
saw
her
hand
come
up.
C
Great
so
then,
moving
to
4.2
iura
community
housing
development
fund
round
22
authorized
disbursement
of
funds
pursuant
to
an
executed
mou
and
again
I
will
be
reading
the
results
here
resolve
that
the
common
council
for
the
city
of
ithaca
hereby
authorizes
an
expenditure
of
up
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
tompkins
county
for
the
following,
affordable
housing
project
to
implement
a
recommended
funding
award
for
rounds,
22
of
the
chdf
project,
name,
north
side
departments
with
the
relevant
information.
C
Be
it
further
resolved
that
common
council
hereby
directs
the
controller
to
release
housing
funds
in
an
amount
not
to
exceed
100
thousand
dollars
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
hundred
thousand
dollars
be
appropriated
from
the
current
balance
in
the
housing
fund
of
a
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
to
fund
the
one
hundred
thousand
dollar
city
portion
resolve
that
upon
receipt
of
an
invoice
from
tompkins
county.
The
city
controller
is
hereby
authorized
to
implement
this
resolution.
C
Thank
you,
sorry.
Yes,
I
got
ahead
of.
I
stopped
myself
from
from
calling
for
a
second
and
then
yes
and
I'd
like
to
move
this
is
written.
Thank
you,
mayor
lewis,.
D
So
we
typically
release
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
towards
the
housing
development
fund
every
year.
Typically,
it
goes
for
the
development
of
new
construction,
new
housing.
D
I
understand
we've
already
granted
this
project
102
000
we're
granting
it
another
100
000,
and
so
why
not
reserve
the
hundred
thousand
for
new
housing
rather
than
for
a
project?
That's
already
been
approved
and
received
funding.
D
Right
but
typically
the
the
hundred
thousand
is
granted
to
new
housing
projects,
but
instead
of
a
new
housing
project
or
a
different
housing
project.
It's
now
going
to
a
pre-existing
housing
project
which
we've
already
funded.
O
Yeah
the
project
was
conceived
several
years
ago
prior
to
the
green
building
policy
being
adopted,
and
when
they
priced
out
the
project,
they
thought
they
only
needed
a
hundred
and
sixty
thousand
dollars.
Even
though
the
fund
allowed
applications
up
to
three
hundred
thousand
as
they
developed
the
project,
they
realized
that
well,
the
community.
The
program
oversight
committee
realized
that
the
project
was
trying
to
go
with
non-fossil
fuels,
but
it
was
budgeted
based
on
continued
use
of
the
natural
gas
distribution
system
that
provides
energy
to
project
currently.
O
So
there
was
an
effort
to
try
to
bring
those
together
and
a
request
to
the
developer,
to
go
to
all
electric
the
developer
developed
a
budget
for
that
it
was
about
440
000
more
than
they
had
available,
and
they
had
already
gone
to
the
state
for
their
funding
commitment.
The
state
said
they
couldn't
re-examine
it
without
special
consideration.
O
You
know
the
the
conception
of
the
project
before
we
had
the
green
building
policy
in
place
and
the
goal
is
to
make
it
all
electric,
as
well
as
benefiting
the
residents
by
providing
not
only
heating
but
the
the
air
source.
Electric
systems
would
also
provide
air
conditioning
and
the
recognition
that
heat
heat
issues
are
continuing
problem
in
terms
of
well-being
and
health
in
in
the
unit.
So
there
with
all
that
history,
they
recommended
on
a
basically
a
one-time
basis,
unusual
scenario
to
increase
the
funding
to
three
hundred
thousand
dollars.
O
I
think
you
should
think
of
this
as
a
slate
of
projects
that
are
funded
by
the
program
oversight
committee,
it's
just
by
convenience
that
the
request
came
to
the
city
to
fund
this,
because
cornell
and
thompson's
county
had
goals
for
funding
and
objectives
for
funding.
The
other
projects
that
are
listed
in
the
resolution
for
funding-
so
that's,
that's
the
history
there
of
of
why
this
is
an
unusual
scenario.
Coming
back
to
get
funded
up
at
its
full
maximum
funding
eligibility
for
through
the
program.
C
I
just
wanted
to
really
underscore
you
know.
Nels's
memo
is
included
in
the
packet
here,
but
I
really
wanted
to
underscore
the
the
one
point
about
how
you
know
the
lack
of
alternative
funding
sources
that
are
intended
to
help
electrify
this
project
not
coming
through,
would
jeopardize
the
impact
on
public
housing
residents
if
the
financing
was
delayed
further.
A
Thank
you
rob
I'll
just
note
that
this
this
project
will
increase
the
70
units
that
had
been
on
this
site
to
82
units,
so
we
are
as
a
city
seeing
an
increase
in
housing
that
is
specifically
for
low
and
moderate
income
residents,
so
that
that's
a
real
plus.
It
seems
any
other
comments
or
questions
on
this.
A
Okay,
george.
O
Well,
the
the
additional
funding
request
for
for
this
particular
project
was
140
000,
so
100
is,
is
sourced
from
the
city
and
40
000
from
the
county.
The
the
county
was
also
yeah.
The
county
has
been
very
supportive
of
this
effort
and
is
actually
committing
the
funds
to
the
state
so
that
they
don't
lose
their
place
and
financing,
so
they
can
close
in
the
next
few
weeks.
C
I'll
turn
now
to
4.3
authorized
eminent
domain,
proceeding
to
acquire
easement
for
improvement
of
water
system
negative
declaration
of
environmental
significance,
whereas
common
council
proposes
to
authorize
the
acquisition
of
an
easement
by
eminent
domain
for
the
purposes
of
improving
the
city's
water
system,
and
whereas
this
is
an
unlisted
action
under
the
city
of
ithaca,
environmental
quality,
review,
ordinance
and
the
state
environmental
quality
review,
ordinance
and
a
subject.
C
Environmental
review
and
whereas
common
council,
as
the
as
the
agency
having
primary
responsibility
for
approving
and
funding
or
carrying
out
the
action
did
today,
a
player
itself
lead
agency
in
environmental
review
and
whereas
common
council
aslee,
acting
as
lead
agency,
has
today
reviewed
and
accepted
as
complete
a
full
environmental
assessment
form
parts,
one
two
and
three
prepared
by
the
attorney's
office
and
other
related
materials.
C
Not
have
I'm
hearing
feedback
any
potential.
Significant
adverse
environmental
impacts.
Now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
common
council
determines
that.
The
proposed
amendment
will
result
in
no
significant
adverse
impact
on
the
environment,
and
this
resolution,
which
was
adopted
by
a
majority
vote
of
counsel,
shall
serve
as
the
negative
declaration
for
the
action
and
is
issued
by
common
council
acting
as
lead
agency
pursuant
to
and
in
accordance
with
scqra
coordinated
environmental
review.
An
eye
move
is
written.
A
Bb
seconds
and
I
see
that
scott
gibson
is
here.
D
A
C
You
cynthia
yeah
all
right,
4.4
declaration
of
lead
agency,
resolved
that
the
city
of
ithaca
common
council,
as
the
agency
having
private
responsibility
for
approving
and
funding
or
carrying
out
the
action
does
by
way
of
this
resolution,
declare
itself
lead
agency
environmental
review
for
the
proposed
act
acquisition
of
land.
I
said
I
move
this
as
written.
A
A
A
Okay,
this
is
the
neg
deck,
so
typically
they're
not
questions
at
this
point.
All
those
in
favor
of
declaring
negative
declaration
of
environmental
significance.
A
C
And
whereas,
in
order
to
connect
the
two
water
main
lines,
the
city
must
obtain
a
property
interest
in
a
portion
of
the
land
located
at
117-119.
Cottington.
Road,
which
interest
will
consist
of
an
approximately
20-foot
wide
easement
over
approximately
1390
square
feet
of
land.
That
will
enable
the
city
to
locate
a
water
main
extension
underneath
the
subject
property
and
whereas
common
council
acting
as
lead
agency
and
environmental
review,
has
examined
the
acquisition
of
property
for
the
purpose
of
extending
the
water
main,
as
required
by
the
city
of
ithaca.
Environmental
quality
review
ordinance
and
the
state.
C
Environmental
quality
review
act
and
issued
a
negative
declaration
dated
today.
And
whereas
the
land
in
which
the
property
interest
will
be
acquired,
contains
no
structures
and
consists
solely
of
unimproved
yard
space.
And
whereas
the
proposed
water
main
extension
will
be
located
underground
and
will
not
in
unreasonably
interfere
with
the
use
of
the
property
and
whereas
there
are
no
reasonably
feasible
or
cost
effective
alternatives
for
routing
the
water
main
extension.
C
And
whereas
the
city
has
engaged
a
consultant
to
obtain
an
appraisal
to
value
the
proposed
easement.
And
whereas
the
appraised
value
of
the
proposed
easement
is
three
thousand
seven
hundred
dollars.
And
whereas
the
city
has
made
a
formal
offer
to
the
property
owner
to
acquire
the
easement
for
its
full
value
of
three
thousand
seven
hundred.
C
Whereas
the
property
owner
has
not
accepted
the
city's
offer.
And
whereas
section
74
of
the
general
municipal
law
authorizes
the
city
to
acquire
title
to
property
by
condemnation
in
the
event
that
agreement
with
the
property
owner
cannot
be
reached
and
whereas,
in
the
event
that
the
property
owner
rejects
or
fails
to
respond
to
the
offer
the
city
desires,
to
obtain
the
required
interest
in
the
property
by
eminent
domain
for
the
purpose
of
expanding
and
improving
the
city's
water
system.
C
Whereas
the
eminent
domain
procedure
law
set
forth
sets
forth
procedures
by
which
the
city
may
exercise
its
powers
of
eminent
domain.
Now,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
The
common
council
authorizes
the
use
of
the
city's
eminent
domain
powers
for
the
purpose
of
obtaining
an
interest
in
the
property
located
at
117-110
coddington
road
in
the
event
that
the
property
owner
rejects
or
fails
to
respond
to
the
city's
offer
for
the
acquisition
of
the
property
interest
and
be
it
further
resolved.
C
Is
an
acquisition
dominance
in
nature
so
that
the
public
interest
will
not
be
prejudiced
by
the
construction
of
the
project
and
be
it
further
resolve
that
in
consideration
of
the
foregoing,
the
city
determines
that
the
condemnation
qualifies
for
exemption,
as
provided
by
provided
in
ep
edpl
206
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
department
of
public
works
in
conjunction
with
the
city
attorney,
is
authorized
and
requested
to
act
on
behalf
of
the
city.
With
respect
to
acquiring
the
interest
in
the
subject.
C
Property
through
exercise
of
the
city's
eminent
domain
powers,
including
without
limitation
by
filing
or
causing
to
be
filed
any
necessary
legal
proceedings,
engaging
any
consultant
or
counsel
to
assist
with
the
condemnation
and
by
expending
any
funds
necessary
to
complete
the
condemnation
provided.
However,
that
said,
funds
shall
be
provided
from
previously
authorized,
departmental
operating
budgets
or
applicable
capital
project
accounts.
M
That's
three
in
a
row,
scott.
I
have
a
question.
I
realize
it's
late
in
the
game,
but
we
got
a
letter
from
a
lawyer
who
represents
a
property
owner
who
talked
about
a
different
way
to
go
that
was
shorter
and
would
have
been
cheaper
to
make
the
loop
in
the
water
pipe.
R
I
can
comment
on
the
letter
only
in
so
far
as
I
was
privy
to
it
roughly
a
half
an
hour
before
the
meeting
started
right.
I
thought
that
was
a
little
inappropriate,
just
dump
that
on
this
body
that
that
late,
the
only
thing
I
can
tell
you,
george-
is
that
that's
news
to
me.
I
did
see
the
letter
I
think
was
from
ray
schlatter
and
just
from
a
cursory
overview.
R
I
wasn't
really
sure,
because
there
was
no.
There
was
no
map
attached.
R
Identifying
the
path
that
they
were
talking
about,
the
best
I
could
come
up
with,
they
were
talking
about
708
hudson
place,
which
is
a
much
larger
parcel
to
the
east
of
visum
and
regardless.
If
that
was
a
better
route,
I
mean
we
can
argue
whether
that
was
a
better
route
or
not
vism
installed
95
of
the
water
main
at
50
percent
cost
to
the
ratepayers.
R
So
they
they
picked
up,
half
that
cost
for
us,
and
if
the
city
were
to
do
that
job,
you
know
we
we'd
be
in
the
whole
three
or
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
so
bit.
You
know
we're
arguing
over
that
1300
square
feet
of
property,
which
is
the
equivalent
of
21
feet
by
65
feet
or
two
tractor
trailers
sitting
next
to
each
other.
R
M
R
So
I
I
don't
really
understand
it.
The
only
thing.
The
other
thing
too
george,
is
that
if
they
they
wanted
us
to
just
go
due
east
off
of
aurora
street,
so
basically
through
bism's
parcel,
then
through
708,
then
southeast
to
hudson
place.
You
know,
then
the
project
would
have
had
a
run.
Another
water
main
extension
to
the
south
to
feed
all
of
their
buildings
and
as
the
crow
flies.
It
doesn't
make
a
whole
lot
of
sense
to
me.
Why?
K
So,
if
I
can,
I
just
thank
you,
scott,
if
I
can
just
jump
in
for
a
moment
two
thoughts.
One
is
that,
to
the
extent
that
the
council
wants
to
hear
about
the
merits
in
terms
of
the
serving
the
public
good
of
this
easement,
I
think
it's
scott
can
very
expertly
speak
to
that
in
this
setting,
and
that's
great
to
the
extent
that
council
wants
to
discuss
other
aspects
of
the
letter
that
we
received,
which
appears
to
be
potentially
threatening
litigation.
K
K
And
lastly,
I
will
just
note
that
the
scots
mentioned
of
vism
and
and
that
the
developer,
picking
up
a
bunch
of
the
cost
of
the
pipe
going
through
their
parcel,
is
in
fact
demonstrating
an
extraction
to
the
city's
benefit
that
the
city
took
from
that
development
in
order
to
serve
the
public
good.
That
doesn't
demonstrate
a
developer's
interest
as
the
motivation
for
the
eminent
domain.
K
On
the
contrary,
it
actually
demonstrates
that
this
is
for
the
public
interest
and
the
extraction
from
the
developer
on
the
wisdom,
parcel
occurred
for
the
public
interest
with
them
paying
for
a
good
portion
of
the
cities.
What
remained
there
and
this
easement
finishes
out
that
same
run
also
in
the
public
interest.
So
those
are
the
pieces
I
wanted
to
play.
R
Yeah,
if
I
could
jump
in
there's
some
assertions
in
some
of
the
letter,
writing
that
went
on
from
the
owner
that
we
waited
until
2022
to
put
this
in
basically
asserting
that
we're
only
doing
this
for
the
benefit
of
the
developer.
I've
been
with
the
city
20
years.
R
I
we
know
where
all
our
dead
ends
are
we
talk
about
them
all
the
time
we
know
what
solutions
should
be
implemented
to
connect
those
dead
ends
to
improve
water
circulation,
to
improve
fire
flow,
and
you
know,
the
fact
of
the
matter
remains
is
that
I
use
the
garden
hose
mentality.
Anybody
that
isn't
sure
why
we're
talking
about
loops
everybody,
that's
watered
their
garden
through
a
5
8
inch
hose
whether
it's
25
feet
or
150
feet.
R
You
know
you
can
only
yield
so
much
water
out
of
that
hose
and
that's
a
supply
and
then
a
demand
at
the
end.
So
you
may
be
perfectly
happy
water
in
your
garden.
That
way,
you
add
friction
to
the
hose
with
a
kink
or
a
twist
or
your
car
tire
sitting
on
top
of
it.
We
all
know
how
much
water
you
get
out
of
it
then.
R
Well,
the
garden
hose
is
on
aurora
street
and
it
ends
at
the
city
town
line.
So
we
also
had
a
garden
hose
at
one
point
in
time
in
an
eight
inch
line
that
ran
up
hudson
street,
so
okay.
So
what
if
you?
What?
If
you
wanted
to
fill
a
pool
with
your
garden
hose?
How
long
would
that
take
two
weeks?
R
Well,
what
if
the
pool
was
a
fire
and
what,
if
it
was
it
took?
You
know
you
needed
it
in
an
hour.
You
need
a
much
larger
hose.
That's
that's
solution
number
one
or
maybe
you
need
a
looped
scenario
where
you
connect
the
two
ends
of
the
hose.
R
You
have
a
circle
essentially
or
a
rectangle,
and
then
you
add
a
source
of
supply
in
it.
Now
the
water
can
travel
to
two
separate
ways:
you've
increased
your
diameter
essentially
and
that's
what
loop
is
so
connecting
the
two
garden
hoses
between
aurora
street
and
hudson
street
we've
got
a
connection
between
that
runs
on
columbia.
We've
got
one
that
runs
downhill
view.
We've
got
one
that
runs
down
grandview
place
so
a
ladder.
R
It
introduces
cleaner
water,
you
know
what
better
water
quality
and
it
improves
pressure,
because
the
larger
diameter
or
the
larger
availability
of
capacity
that
you
have
through
your
pipes
when
you
ask
for
the
demand
it's
there,
not
so
with
our
garden
hose
scenario
that
winds
up
at
the
northwest
corner
of
vism.
R
So
by
connecting
that
northwest
corner
with
maine
on
hudson
place
and
by
the
way
the
main
mountain
place
is
a
12-inch
line.
Is
that
feeds
directly
from
the
cottington
road
water
tank
that
runs
down
hudson
place
and
into
hudson
street?
R
It
just
makes
perfect
sense
to
connect
those
two
sides
to
loop
through
the
parcel,
so
there's
an
assertion
in
suzanne,
dennis's
write-up.
That
says
we
waited
yeah.
We
waited
you're
darn
right,
we
waited
and
the
reason
we
waited
is
because
if
the
city
was
to
embark
on
completing
this
loop
on
its
own,
which
we
talked
about
in
my
20
years
here,
we
would
have
had
to
go
through
that
the
private
landowner
at
the
time.
Maybe
it
was
visum,
I
don't
know
who
it
was,
but
there
was
no
development
structured
there.
R
So
you
have
to
go
through
an
easement
attention
process
and
to
try
to
get
property
rights
to
build
your
water
main.
That's
why
we're
here
talking
about
the
small
parcel
from
the
dennis
property
we
operate
on
a
municipal
budget.
That's
annually.
We
want
construction
projects
lined
up
for
the
spring.
This
stuff
takes
years
sometimes,
and
so
you
want
the
path
of
least
resistance.
So
what's
our
path,
resistance?
We
go
around
the
property,
so
we
could.
R
We
could
have
installed
a
main
down,
aurora
street
heading
south,
then
east
on
cottington,
then
in
the
hudson
place.
Well,
here's
the
rub:
it'll
be
twice
the
length
and
twice
the
construction
cost
so
now
you're,
balancing
the
entire
burden
on
the
rate
payers
of
four
or
five
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
create
a
loop
that
could
easily
be
done
by
going
from
point
a
to
point
b
so
fast
forward
to
2018
when
bism
comes
to
town
and
they
want
to
put
ic
overlook
in
place.
R
R
Maybe
they'll
cost
share
it,
maybe,
instead
of
just
putting
a
six
inch
main,
which
is
really
all
that
development
needs
they'll
spring
the
extra
cash
for
a
12
inch
main
to
serve
the
needs
of
south
hill,
guess
what
all
those
boxes
were
checked
and
that's
where
we
are
today.
That's
the
reason
why
we
waited
that's
the
reason.
So,
basically,
you
know
the
the
burden
is
born,
partly
by
the
ratepayers,
but
a
lot
by
the
developer
for
the
benefit
of
the
community,
and
you
know
it's
a
win-win-win,
so
it
just
makes
perfect
sense
to
do
it.
R
This
way
there
was
an
assertion
in
there.
Well,
you
know
we
treat
morse
chain
the
same
way,
you're
darn
right.
We
would,
you
know
the
benefit
of
morse
chain
is
that
they
now
once
this
loop
is
complete,
will
have
the
fire
flow
that
they
currently
don't
have
so
that
certainly
benefits
morris
chain.
R
A
That
that
background
and
understanding
the
full
picture
and
the
benefits
to
the
community,
the
benefits
to
south
hill,
the
budgetary
benefit
to
the
city
is,
is
very
helpful.
D
A
Do
so
cynthia
are
you
requesting?
I.
D
Guess
my
my
question
would
be
would
be
to
ask
scott:
is
there
a
timing
issue
on
this?
Would
we
benefit
by
bringing
this
back
to
council?
It
doesn't
need
to
go
back
to
committee,
but
it
could
come
back
to
council
next
month
and
it
would
give
the
city
attorney
the
chance
to
take
a
look
at
it.
It
would
give
your
office
the
chance
to
look
at
the
map.
I
I'm
not
sure
that
you
would
come
up
with
a
different
conclusion,
but
it
would
give
that
time.
D
As
you
mentioned,
you
just
got
the
letter
half
an
hour
before
the
meeting
started.
Is
there?
Is
there
a
time
requirement
that
you
need
to
get
this
passed
now,
or
could
this
wait
for
another
month
to
allow
the
attorney's
office
to
evaluate
the
the
legal
issues
or
questions
that
were
raised?
Well.
K
R
R
we've
always
wanted
this
loop
in
place,
so
another
month
isn't
going
to
kill
us,
and
you
know
if
I
was
representing
the
development.
They'd
probably
wrap
me
on
the
head
right
now,
but
I'm
not
I'm
representing
the
city
of
ithaca
and
my
job
is
to
make
sure
that
clean,
sanitized
water
makes
it
to
where
people
ask
for
it.
R
So
that
also
I'm
also
speaking
on
behalf
of
tom
parsons,
who
would
tell
you
that
every
day
that
we
don't
have
this
loop
in
could
be
a
detriment
to
the
system
from
a
firefighting
standpoint.
So
that's
a
tough
question
answer
cynthia,
so
you
know
I'll
leave
it
to
you.
Folks
I
mean
we
know
exactly
what
we
want
to
do.
I
will
tell
you
that
the
water
main
is
about
99
complete.
R
A
And
that
george,
are
you
voting
on
this?
Okay?
That
looks
like
it
is
unanimous
to
move
to
executive
session
to
discuss
potential
impending
litigation.
B
I'll
try
to
keep
this
live,
so
we
can
come
back
to
it
after
executive
session,
but
sometimes
these
things
don't
go
the
way
I
plan
so.
K
Julie
julie.
Do
you
want
me
to
send
a
link
instead,
so
that
you
can
keep
yours
running
here.
B
I
actually
have
kenny
kitravitz
from
my
office
is
also
staffing.
This
meeting,
so
we're
gonna
give
that
a
shot
I'll.
Let
you
know
if
I
need
help.
Okay,
great
thanks.
Thanks.