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From YouTube: October 15, 2020 Common Council Budget Meeting #2 - DPW
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A
Okay,
great
all
right
here
we
are
our
second
evening
of
budget
liberation.
So
this
evening
the
only
thing
we
have
on
our
agenda
is
to
look
specifically
at
our
department
of
public
works
and
other
sort
of
related
functions
that
fall
under
that
umbrella.
So
we
have
several
staff
joining
us
today.
A
We
did
not
have
any
specific
questions
and
this
department
does
not
have
any
requests
above
the
mayor's
budget.
So
we
can
really
do
one
of
two
things
here.
I
know
cynthia
had
submitted
a
bunch
of
questions.
I
think
unfortunately,
steve
was
not
able
to
get
to
them,
steve's-
probably
better,
to
answer
them
than
mike.
So
we
will
email
the
answers
to
those
questions
out
to
council,
and
if
you
want
to
ask
any
clarifying
questions
at
a
future
meeting,
we
absolutely
could
do
that.
A
So
I
don't
know
that
we
can
go
through
all
the
ones
that
you
had
asked
over
email
cynthia
right
now,
but
I
guess
I
will
give
mike
an
opportunity
to
give
just
maybe
an
overview
or
quick
highlights
of
what's
in
your
narrative
and
then
we'll
open
the
floor
for
questions
from
council.
Does
that
sound
good
to
everyone?
B
Thanks
tiff,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
introduce
mark
verbanik
as
our
new
assistant,
superintendent
at
streets
and
facilities,
so
we're
glad
to
pick
him
up
about
what
three
weeks
ago,
two
weeks
ago,
can't
remember,
but
he
was
our
construction
engineer
out
of
streets
and
facilities
for
three
years
and
we're
real
happy
to
put
him
in
this
position.
B
Also,
some
sad
news,
but
also
some
good
news.
Eric
whitney
is
retiring
tomorrow.
So
tomorrow
is
his
last
day
we
will
be
putting
scott
gibson
in
as
our
acting
assistant,
superintendent
for
the
time
being,
and
scott
is
more
than
familiar
with
all
of
our
water
and
sewer
works
throughout
the
city,
so
excited
to
have
them
both
here
and
then
not
to
stop
tim,
but
tim's.
Here
too.
B
So,
let's
see
so
overall,
the
budget
is
kind
of
expected.
B
We
were
given
the
direction
to
prepare
two
budgets,
as
you
all
know,
minus
three
percent
budget
and
a
minus
fifteen
percent
budget,
and
we
felt
that
it
would
probably
fall
somewhere
in
between.
I
think
I
calculated
the
overall
impact
to
dpw
and
I
think
our
overall
impact
is
about
just
under
minus
four
percent.
So
you
know
we
were
close,
I'm
glad
that
we
were
closer
to
the
minus
three
number
than
the
-15
number,
the
biggest
impacts
to
public
works.
B
Well,
first
of
all,
let
me
say
that
most
of
our
divisions
are
not
impacted.
We've
had
to
you
know,
try
to
cut
some
expenses
a
little
bit,
but
overall
engineering
should
function
as
it
has
been
parking
and
transportation
the
same
water
and
sewer.
Fortunately,
we
were
able
to
keep
all
the
new
crews
intact,
where
the
big
hit
is
is
where
the
general
fund
comes
in
and
it's
our
streets
and
facilities,
and
so
we've
lost
eight
positions
out
of
streets
and
facilities.
B
B
But
in
my
budget
narrative
I
did
make
a
plea
that
once
the
financial
situation
returns
to
normal,
that
I
would
ask
that
we
get
that
additional
paid-in
crude
funded
because
the
streets
and
our
storm
water
systems
and
things
like
that,
they
they
haven't
stopped
for
covid
they're
still
deteriorating,
and
you
know
the
whole
purpose
behind
getting
the
new
cruise
was
to
at
least
level
things
off
and
hopefully
start
to
make
some
forward
progress
on
our
infrastructure.
B
So
we
actually
never
hired
the
full
new
crew.
We
were
hoping
to
do
that
in
2020
coben
hit
early
on
in
the
year,
and
so
we
we
didn't
make
any
progress
there.
B
My
biggest
concern
is:
we
do
have
some
senior
field
staff
in
streets
and
facilities
that
are
retirement
eligible,
and
one
of
my
big
concerns
is
that
once
the
funding
gets
somewhere
back
to
normal,
you
know
next
year
or
two
years
from
now
or
three
years
from
now
we're
going
to
lose
a
lot
of
institutional
knowledge.
So
that's
my
biggest
concern,
but
right
now
the
I
think
some
of
the
impacts
that
we're
going
to
see
and
I
need
to
sit
and
sit
down
with
both
mark
and
probably
scott
gibson.
B
Not
make
the
hits
so
bad
for
streets
and
facilities,
I'm
not
sure
what
that
looks
like
yet
mark,
and
I
also
need
to
sit
down
and
look
at
some
of
the
positions,
because
when
I
turn
in
the
budget,
which
you
don't
see
but
steve
and
dan
and
cevante
see,
I've
got
a
large
list
of
positions
and
people
and
the
vacant
positions
were
unfunded.
B
Some
of
those
vacant
positions
that
were
unfunded,
we'd
like
to
fund
and
sort
of
trade
out.
You
know
some
of
the
other
positions.
So
you
know
the
exact
positions
that
were
listed
in
the
mayor's
budget
may
change
a
little
bit,
but
the
bottom
line
budget
should
remain
the
same.
B
Now
that
were
not
associated
with
the
highway
crew
is
steve.
Mann,
I
think
he's
okay
on
custodial
duties
right
now,
but.
D
B
Send
us
a
warning
that
once
southside
community
center
opens
up
again
he's
gonna
have
some
trouble
juggling
some
of
the
custodial
work
between
south
side
and
police
station.
So
maybe
that's
something
we
address
at
the
time.
I
still
need
to
sit
with
mark
and
steve
nan
to
discuss
how
we
might
look
at
that.
B
One
of
the
unfunded
positions
that
we
need
to
look
at
as
well
was
a
working
supervisor
in
our
sign
shop,
and
this
was
mike
austin,
who
retired
earlier
this
year,
and
that
position
took
care
of
the
striping
and
signage
in
the
city.
B
F
B
So
eight
positions
total,
but
again
we
we
understand
that
the
times
we're
in-
and
you
know
it
is
what
it
is.
We
hope
we
can
get
funding
restored
in
the
future,
because
you
know
we
we
need
to
be
able
to
fix
our
infrastructure
and
it's
it's
definitely
more
cost
effective.
If
we're
able
to
do
that
in-house
so
open.
A
Great
just
a
quick
reminder
to
everyone:
we
want
to
be
as
sensitive
as
possible
to
some
of
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
very
directly
impacted.
So
if
we
want
to
have
conversations
about
things,
let's,
let's
try
to
remember
to
use
position
titles
if
possible,
instead
of
instead
of
particular
people.
So
as
we
move
forward
in
our
discussion,
let's
just
be
sensitive
that
this
is
very
challenging
for
people,
specifically,
those
that
are,
unfortunately,
being
good
by
the
staff
reduction.
A
Very
hard
and
it's
challenging,
and
we
we
care
about
everybody
that
works
for
the
city
deeply
and-
and
I
know,
there's
a
fine
line
between
wanting
them
to
know
that
we
care
about
them
and
and
figuring
out
how
to
have
a
discussion
without
any
personal
anything
coming
into
it.
So
it's
it's
tough,
you're,
okay,
just
moving
forward
we'll
do
our
best
to
to
be
sensitive
to
all
of
these
very,
very,
very
challenging
things
that
are
in
front
of
us,
so
laura.
G
Thank
you,
and
thanks
mike
and
thanks
mark
mike,
I
sent
you
a
question
and
you
replied
right
away.
I
just
wanted
to
have
a
full
understanding
and
clarity
on
the
changes
in
equipment
and
supplies
on
a
number
of
the
dpw
funds,
so
just
for
the
benefit
of
the
public.
Who
may
be
viewing
or
looking
at
this
later,
could
you
say
something
about
those
changes.
B
B
So
as
I
reply,
but
for
the
public's
benefit,
when
we
asked
for
funding
for
the
new
water
and
sewer
crews,
we
had
asked
for
five
positions
and
we
had
also
calculated
how
much
the
additional
cost
would
be
on
an
annual
basis
to
replace
an
additional
mile
of
underground
piping
in
the
city,
either
water
or
sewer
pipe.
B
And
so,
when
I
put
the
memo
together,
I
was
kind
of
looking
at
you
know,
sort
of
long-term
impacts,
and
I
think
I
probably
put
a
large
chunk
of
money
in
materials
and
not
so
much
in
equipment.
When
we
did
get
the
funding,
you
know
we
didn't,
have
we
weren't
fully
staffed.
We
didn't
quite
have
all
our
plans
together
and
everything
like
that,
but
in
order
to
get
ready
for
that
new
crew,
what
we
did
is
we
bought
new
equipment
with
that
money
and
scott.
B
H
So
mike,
I
think
you
said
that
you're
losing
eight
positions
and
we
know
what
two
of
those
are,
but
I
think
you
said
that
of
the
other
six.
You
still
have
some
flexibility
about.
What
they
might
be
is
that
right.
B
And
I
I
hope
I
maybe
I
was
a
little
confusing
there,
but
some
of
the
positions
that
were
actually
named
like,
for
example,
the
a
maintainer
position
and
a
working
supervisor
position
mark,
and
I
really
need
to
kind
of
sit
down
and
plan
this
out
so
that
we
so
that
we
we
stick
to
whatever
the
budget
amount
is
but
some
of
the
vacant
positions
we
may
fill
and
actually
leave
other
positions
vacant
or
we
may.
We
may
have
to
shuffle
our
staffing
around
a
little
bit
in
street
from
facilities.
I
A
J
B
Well,
when
we,
when
we
got
the
funding
for
the
for
the
new
highway
crew,
we
started
to
hire
a
number
of
positions,
but
at
the
same
time
we
also
had
a
number
of
retirements,
and
so
we,
I
don't
think
we
had
a
net
gain
of
any
real
positions.
B
At
the
start
of
2020,
we
were
hoping
to
start
backfilling
and
training,
some
of
those
positions
for
the
highway
crew,
but
back
in
you
know
march,
when
we
could
all
see
the
writing
on
the
wall.
You
know
everything
just
kind
of
fell
apart.
So
a
lot
of
those
vacant
positions
we
had
on
the
highway
crew
were
actually
furloughed.
I,
if
you
will
or
hiring
freeze,
however,
you
want
to
describe
it
and
so
that
hiring
freeze
is
sort
of
carrying
over
the
2021
budget.
K
Graham
thanks
and
thanks
for
your
response
to
the
current
situation,
I
really
appreciate
the
way
you're
planning
and
doing
the
succession
and
trying
to
help
the
city.
I
I
wanted
to
go
back
to.
I
think,
donald's
question
about
the
position.
So
the
mayor
gave
us
a
list
of
the
positions
that
were
defunded
are
those
the
positions
that
are
being
defined
or
are
you
looking
at
that
and
maybe
making
some
changes?
K
C
B
No
and
and
maybe
let
me
try
to
explain
it
another
way,
we're
going
to
take
that
the
funding
associated
with
those
positions.
B
Maybe
that's
not
more
clear,
but
we're
well,
we'll
we'll
keep
the
budget
the
same,
even
though
the
actual
positions
may
change
a
little
bit,
so
we
might
fill
a
maintainer
and
not
fill
another
leo
or
we
might,
you
know,
promote
an
leo
and
not
backfill
the
leo.
B
It's
that
the
bottom
line
should
remain
the
same,
so
hopefully
everybody
doesn't
just
get
stuck
on
those
particular
positions.
Those
are
those
just
happen
to
be
the
ones
that
were
currently
vacant
when
we
turned
in
the
budget
right,
so
steve
mayer
didn't
really
have
any
anything
else
to
go
off
of.
A
L
Hi,
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that
we,
I
think,
we've
fully
understood
now
that
the
the
new
street
crew
that
was
recently
approved
is
not
being
filled,
but
we
do
in
fact
have
the
additional
crew
associated
with
water
and
sewer,
and
this
that
was
made
possible
through
the
stormwater
funding.
Is
that
correct?
L
L
Out
because
if
I
recall
correctly
and
and
god
my
brain
is
a
muddle,
so
I
apologize
if
I've
gotten
this
wrong.
We
had
actually
approved
two
new
crews,
a
streets,
crew
and
a
water
and
sewer
crew,
also
associated
with
storm
water
upgrades.
So
we
do
have
the
new
crew
associated
with
stormwater
upgrades.
Can
you
is
that
correct.
B
L
Okay,
so
so
we
do
have
a
new
crew
associated
with
water
and
sewer.
L
E
No
cynthia,
that's
handled
out
of
streets
and
facilities,
the
stormwater
catch
basins
and
piping
and
stuff
is
handled
through
our
office.
M
L
L
But
we
we
don't
have
so
that
just
that
just
started
a
couple
years
ago,
and
there
was,
if
I
understand,
a
crew
that
was
supposed
to
assist
through
streets
and
facilities
to
address
these
improvements.
That
1.4
is
not
that's
an
assessment,
so
that's
not
associated
with
the
loss
of
sales
tax
and
so
on.
So
so
what
is
that
1.4
million
funding?
L
And-
and
you
know
so-
I'm
I'm
seeing
this-
this
loss,
which
I
understand,
is
being
associated
with
the
economic
situation,
but
that
1.4
million
is
still
being
transferred
over,
and
this
is
again,
this
commingling
of
the
accounts
has
always
been
a
source
of
confusion
for
me.
So
I'm
just
trying
to
make
sure
that
if
we
are
paying,
if,
if
our
constituents
are
paying
a
stormwater
assessment
fee,
that
there
is
services
associated
with
fe.
E
Oh
yes,
definitely
we
do
definitely
whenever
we
analyze
a
road
we'll
go
through
and
have
do
the
storm
water
analysis
too,
to
see
if
we
can
upgrade
the
pipes
and
make
sure
that
they're
all
in
working
order,
because
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
things
are
reaching
their
age.
E
So,
along
with
that,
we
also
have
crew
going
around
and
cleaning
the
catch
basins,
repairing
the
dis
that
have
been
damaged
or
whatever
kind
of
situation,
and
they
kind
of
analyze
each
and
every
structure
they
go
through
every
all
year
and
we'll
suck
them
and
clean
them
and
make
sure
all
the
roots
are
out
of
the
system.
E
So
that's
what
that
does
that
funds,
a
a
certain
crew
that
goes
around
and
does
that
on
a
daily
basis
and
then,
at
the
same
time,
some
of
our
highway
crews
will
use
the
stormwater
funding
to
repair
internal
structures
when
we're
redoing,
a
road
say
like
for
chestnut
we're
replacing
a
pipe
that
crossed
near
sunrise
and
we'll
include
that
into
our
design
and
construction.
C
Yeah,
I
think
we
pretty
much
addressed
the
same
exact
question
last
year,
so
I
believe
that
video
is
still
up
on
the
city's
website,
so
you
could
probably
go
back
and
re-watch
the
meeting
from
last
year,
but
I
will
say
that
the
adjustment
to
the
stormwater
fee
was
was
premised
on
the
fact
that
we
were
already
spending
enough
money
on
stormwater
to
justify
increasing
the
stormwater
fee
without
even
increasing
a
whole
new
crew
or
doing
any
additional
work.
So
there's
nothing.
There's
nothing!
Un
inappropriate,
that's
happening
here.
C
We
we
currently
do
enough
stormwater
work
every
year
with
our
streets
and
facilities,
stormwater
team
and
the
and
the
percentage
of
time
that
our
streets
and
facilities
crew
work
on
things
that
are
attributable
to
storm
water
to
to
more
than
cover
the
amount
of
money
that
we
charge
to
the
stormwater
fund
and
then,
of
course,
there's
still
additional
stormwater
work
that
we're
doing
that
is
paid
out
of
the
general
fund.
But
I
don't
think
it
makes
sense
to
to
continue
to
have
the
same
conversation
year
after
year.
C
So
maybe
you
could
go
back
and
rewatch
that
from
last
year
and
then
you
know,
if
there's
any
additional
questions
that
aren't
answered
from
last
year,
we
could
we
could
address
them
at
a
later
time.
D
Yeah
and
just
a
further
clarification,
the
stormwater
fund
totals
a
million
four
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That's
to
pay,
for
you
know
the
cr,
a
crew
that
works
on
storm
water.
The
only
amount
that
goes
back
to
the
general
fund
is
about
385
000
of
that
and
that
helps
offset
some
of
the
costs
related
to
what
the
general
fund
is
doing
for
storm
water.
D
In
addition,
some
of
the
positions
that
were
unfunded
and
were
vacant
also
had
some
percentage
that
they
were
also
working
on
storm
water
and
so
that
corresponding
decrease
in
the
storm
water
fund
was
was
reflected
there.
So
it's
not
that
we're
transferring
a
million
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
to
the
general
fund.
The
only
transfer
to
the
general
fund
is
385
000
of
the
total
storm
water
costs.
H
Like
I
saw
it
somewhere
today
and
not
remember
where
your
reference
to
the
street
lights
so
we've
bought
them.
Now
is
that
right
and
if
so,
will
we
see
a
decrease
in
the
contract
with
nysec
in
in
this
year,
and
why
did
the
nice
said,
crew
show
up
after
two
years
and
finally
change
a
bulb
and
the
one
outside
my
house
two
days
ago.
B
Well,
let
me
let
me
give
you
an
update
on
the
on
the
street
light
thing:
it's
it's
been
frustratingly
long
in
in
just
obtaining
the
street
lights
from
knight
sig.
B
I
I
think
I've
said
before
that.
I
I
don't
think
nysek
really
wanted
to
get
rid
of
them
in
the
first
place,
so
I
think
they
sort
of
dragged
their
feet
a
little
bit.
We
have
paid
for
the
street
lights,
we've
turned
in
our
submittals
to
nice,
egg
and
so
steve,
and
I
are
both
waiting
on
a
letter
from
nice
egg.
That
says:
congratulations.
B
You
now
own
the
streetlights
and
we're
expecting
that,
probably
within
the
next
two
weeks.
Hopefully
once
once
that
occurs,
we
should
see
a
savings,
because
at
that
point
our
electricians
will
take
over
streetlight
maintenance,
we've
already
we're
in
the
process
of
already
getting
a
few
replacement
bulbs.
I
think
about
100
or
so
so
that
some
of
the
broken
street
lights
can
be
fixed
midway
by
our
own
crews,
but
we'll
we
will
put
in
the
led
lights
when
we
fix
those
lights.
B
Tim
has
been
working
on
a
bid
package.
What
we're
hoping
to
do
is
just
put
it
out
the
bid
to
an
electrical
contractor
to
go
ahead
and
purchase
lights
and
replace
all
the
remaining
cobra
heads
in
the
city.
Any
street
light.
That's
not
a
cobra
head
and
there's
there's
a
handful
of
those
we'll
just
do
with
our
own
in-house
forces.
B
We
have
two
years
in
order
to
make
the
conversion
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
that
we're
hiring
a
contractor
to
do
most
of
the
work,
because
we
can't
do
that
in-house,
but
I
think
about
10
of
our
likes,
we'll
be
able
to
do
ourselves
in-house.
B
So
the
savings
that
are
shown
in
the
budget
show
the
immediate
savings
from
us
just
owning
the
street
lights.
Once
the
led
lights
are
put
up,
we
should
have.
We
should
have
additional
energy
cost
savings,
but
we
don't
know
when
we're
going
to
realize
those
savings.
A
lot
of
it
depends
on
when
the
contractor
is
able
to
finish
the
project
of
replacing
the
streetlights,
but
we
assume,
probably
late
spring
early
summer.
We
should
start
seeing
those
energy
savings
as
well.
B
I
think
I
sent
a
memo
out
a
couple
months
ago
about
dpw's
approach
on
this
and
I'm
trying
to
remember
what
was
in
the
memo,
but
I
believe
that
once
we
own
the
lights
and
everything's
been
converted,
the
streetlight
bill
has
been
about
340
000
a
year
that
should
drop
down
to
about
the
120
range,
but
steve
kept
it
at
240
for
right
now,
because
there's
still
a
few
unknowns.
So
it's
a
little
bit
conservative
right
now.
D
Account
a3311
and
that's
in
the
contractual
service
in
that
that
account
5435,
so
you'll
see
a
number
in
there
240
thousand
dollars,
and
I
should
say
that
since
we
anticipated
nice
egg
giving
selling
us
the
street
lights
a
couple
years
ago,
we
actually
reduced
the
budget
for
this
function
two
years
ago
and
have
not
seen
those
reductions
in
cost
yet,
and
so
hopefully,
although
I
just
saw
one
more
bill,
come
through
my
office
today.
D
Hopefully
that
will
be
the
last
build
that
we'll
have
to
pay
full
cost
for
those
street
lights,
and
we
can
start
realizing
some
of
the
savings
and
then
further
savings.
Once
we
convert
to
led.
I
Yeah
I
had
a
question
about
the
parking
study
and
also
about
just
overall
parking
operations
in
the
city,
because
I've
kind
of
lost
track
of
where
we
are
with
with
that
study
and
the
timeline
for
it
and-
and
also
if
you
know
there
is
going
to
be
an
eventual
plan
to
replace
the
parking
director-
and
I
guess
like
what
the
pandemic
is
doing
overall
to
the
parking
budget.
What
we
can
expect
from
that
sorry
there's
kind
of
a
lot
in
there.
But
that's
I
don't
know,
that's
a.
B
Good
question:
first
of
all,
we
have
replaced
the
parking
director
eric
hathaway.
We
promoted
him
into
that
position
back
in
february.
B
We
have
not
been
able
to
backfill
his
position,
yet
we've
got
an
approval
to
go
ahead
and
advertise,
and
so
that
advertisement
for
eric
hathaway's
old
position
should
go
out
fairly
soon,
hopefully
in
the
next
week
or
so.
I
B
B
We
change
it
to
director
of
parking
and
transportation
to
kind
of
fall
in
line
with
what
a
number
of
other
cities
do.
You
know
the
way
they
organize
things
right
now.
Tim
and
eric
are
kind
of
sharing
that
new
position,
because
we're
still
sort
of
working
out
the
details
of
how
that
organizational
structure
will
work,
especially
with
the
building
space
that
we
have,
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
either
way
we're
going
to
pick
up
a
transportation
engineer,
probably
split
between
the
parking
division
and
the
engineering
division.
B
B
So
that's
kind
of
been
put
on
hold
the
other
piece
of
the
puzzle
was
that
we're
also
working
on
some
scoping
documents
for
a
transportation
study
that
would
dovetail
in
with
the
parking
study.
A
big
piece
of
the
transportation
study
will
also
be
public
outreach,
so
we're
hoping
to
get
some
efficiencies
by
combining
the
two
studies
together.
B
Currently,
we
don't
have
a
clear
scope
on
the
transportation
study,
we're
still
working
on
that,
but
we're
we're
short
staffed
on
being
able
to
just
work
with
a
consultant
and
figure
out
exactly
what
we
want
to
do.
There's
also
a
lot
of
moving
parts
with
transportation
right
now,
especially
on
the
west
end
and
we're
trying
to
figure
out
how
that
would
play
into
a
transportation
study.
B
We
do
not
have
funding
for
the
transportation
study
right
now
before
covent
hit,
the
parking
consultant
went
out
and
they
got
a
lot
of
good
information
on
parking
counts
up
in
college
town
and
in
the
garages,
so
that
data
has
already
been
collected,
they're
able
to
grind
through
some
of
those
numbers.
I
know
eric
hathaway
is
not
here
tonight,
but
he's
also
been
working
with
planning
on
the
demolition
of
the
green
street
garage
and
the
reconstruction
of
the
green
street
garage.
B
The
good
news
with
the
pandemic
and
this
garage
replacement
is
that
parking
demand
is
a
little
bit
lower
in
the
garage
right
now.
So
you
know,
if
there's
a
silver
lining
on
all
of
this,
it's
that
you
know
that
we
can
rebuild
the
green
street
garage
without
having
too
much
impact
on
downtown
parking.
B
G
Yeah
mike,
you
said
that
there's
no
funding
for
transportation
study.
What
what
would
a
study
like
that
perhaps
cost?
What's
your
estimate
on
what
a
study
would
cost.
B
The
parking
study-
I
can't
remember,
but
it
was
about
175
or
so,
and
we
were
anticipating
that
the
transportation
study
would
probably
be
in
that
ballpark
range
we
haven't
put
in
for
a
capital
project,
because
we
wanted
to
nail
the
scoping
down
a
little
bit
better
and
get
better
pricing
from
the
consultant.
But,
like
I
said,
there's
so
many
moving
parts
to
this
and
kobet
throws
in
an
additional
moving
part
to
this
whole
thing
that
it's
kind
of
been
put
on
hold.
We
anticipate
probably
the
150
to
200
000
range,
so
thank.
J
B
Seneca
street-
I
maybe
damn-
can
address
this
a
little
bit
more
than
I
can.
But
I
know
that
planning
was
looking
at
trying
to
do
something
similar
to
green
street
garage
redevelopment
and
I'm
probably
botching
this
up
quite
a
bit
but
seneca
street
right
now.
B
We
need
to
keep
it
standing
for
at
least
a
few
more
years.
Eric
hathaway
and
tim
logan
myself
are
meeting
with
our
structural
engineer
next
friday
to
see
what
we
can
do
to
strengthen
some
of
the
beans
that
where
we've
noticed
some
problems
before
so
we're
trying
to
keep
keep
that
garage
alive
as
long
as
possible.
B
But
I
I
don't
know
dan.
If
you
have
anything
more.
C
Well,
there
I
mean
there
hasn't
been
anything
definite.
There
has
been
conversation
about
doing
something
similar
for
the
seneca
garage,
like
we
did
for
the
green
garage,
where
we
put
out
like
a
request
for
proposals
to
see
what
a
redevelopment
project
might
look
like.
You
know,
in
order
to
do
that,
we
would
we
would
have
to
develop
kind
of
a
like
a
program
or
what
we
what
elements
we
would
like
to
see
in
there.
C
You
know
we
have
had
some
preliminary
conversations
with
the
town
of
ithaca
about
possibly
using
a
portion
of
their
lot
as
well
for
some
kind
of
redevelopment
site
there
and-
and
you
know,
they're
they're
open
to
that
kind
of
conversation.
So,
but
that's
really
as
far
as
it's
gone,
you
know,
there's
been
some
talk
about
that,
possibly
being
a
good
site
for
an
intermodal
transportation
like
inner
city,
buses
could
possibly
go
there.
You
know.
G
G
C
As
far
as
it's
gotten,
we
would,
we
would
probably
want
to
do,
like
I
said,
put
it
out
to
the
development
community.
You
know
and
and
see
what
kinds
of
proposals
came
back
see
if
anything
really
looked
attractive
and
and
go
from
there
and
and
that
that
wouldn't
really
happen
until
the
green
garage
is
up,
and
you
know
back
in
the
operational.
M
This
question
might
be
for
the
water
department.
Earlier
today
we
had
our
water
quality
subcommittee
meeting
from
tcog
and
roxy
johnson
was
there
who
really
is
really
smart?
I
we're
really
fortunate
to
have
her.
M
She
was
talking
about
some
infrastructure
possibilities
that
would,
if
I
can
explain
this
right,
she
said
we
can
get
water
from
bolton
point
in
an
emergency,
but
we
can't
transfer
water
to
bolton
point
in
an
emergency,
but
there's
talk
about
making
a
connection
on
west
hill,
not
because
they
necessarily
will
need
water,
but
because
cornell
might
need
water
from
bolton
point
and
then
we
can.
M
That's
one
thing,
and
the
other
thing
she
mentioned
was
that
when
we
built
a
new
water
plant,
we
built
in
phases
and
we
weren't
true,
we
weren't
positive,
all
the
things
that
we
would
find
in
the
water
and
one
of
those
things
was
manganese
and
at
the
current
time
we
we
don't
have
online
monitoring
instrumentation
before
the
water
actually
gets
to
the
plant,
and
I'm
wondering
if
that
is
something
we
have
in
this
budget
or
if
that's
something
that's
going
to
happen
later.
N
So
I'll
try
to
answer
your
questions
in
order.
Yes,
we
do
have
the
capability
to
interconnect
between
cornell
and
baltimore.
That
was
made.
We've
always
had
that
ability
at
various
points
in
the
grid,
depending
on
where
you
are.
We
have
an
interconnect.
N
Feed
us
on
west
hill
baltimore
can
feed
us
up
off
of
steward
ave.
We
can
be
fed
by
cornell
in
the
oak
circle,
just
to
name
a
few
and
we
built
in
an
interconnect
system
during
the
plant
rebuild
right
on
water
street
which
allows
that
to
happen
in
one
location.
So
we
can.
We
can
feed
from
mostly
from
bolton
point
back
into
our
plant
at
that
location.
N
We
cannot
feed
in
the
bolton
point
because
from
the
water
plant,
their
transmission
main
is
roughly
220
250
pounds
per
square
inch
coming
in
at
that
location,
so
we
have
no
way
to
force
water
back
into
their
system,
so
the
plan
has
always
been
to
look
east
hill
up
by
the
maple
avenue
water
tank
and
build
a
pump
station
and
force
water
into
their
transmission
system
at
that
elevation,
and
that
is
something
that
o'brien
gear
has
already
has
a
design
for.
N
So
that's
that's
in
the
works,
but
making
that
happen
with
all
of
the
other
infrastructure
that
work
that
to
go
in
place
and
contract,
one
comes
to,
which
is
the
dredging
project,
rehabilitating
the
60-foot
dam
and
a
new
gate
house
and
a
new
intake.
All
of
that
really
has
to
take
place.
Hope
that
answers
that
part
of
the
question
that
that
that
is
a
deficiency
in
the
system
for
us
to
back
feed
them
just
purely
because
of
hydraulics
that
answers
the
question
thanks
the
manganese
that
is
correct.
N
When
we
went
to
microfiltration,
we
felt
that
when
the
original
plant
was
in
place,
it
was
a
sand
and
anthracite
coal
system
that
seemed
to
do
a
better
than
normal
job
of
removing
some
of
the
manganese
in
the
water.
It
wasn't
a
monitoring
requirement,
didn't
remove
all
of
it,
but
we
didn't
know
we
actually
had
a
problem
with
it.
N
Anecdotally.
If
you
talk
to
some
of
the
older
employees,
they
remember
seeing
black
water
come
out
in
the
the
heyday
of
summer
and
they
weren't
really
sure
what
it
was
and
they
just
sort
of
shrugged
and
assumed.
It
was
because
it
was
antiquated
infrastructure.
What
have
you
when
we
went
to
microfilters
in
2017?
N
So
we
started
adding
sodium
permanganate
to
remove
the
manganese
from
the
water,
but
it's
an
inexact
science,
because
it's
added
at
the
the
reservoir
and
it
takes
several
hours
for
the
reservoir
water
to
get
down
to
the
plant.
N
So
if
you're
adjusting
for
manganese
concentrations
sort
of
on
the
fly,
it's
an
inexact
science
by
the
time
it
reaches
the
plant,
it
could
be
something
completely
different.
Maybe
you
over
applied
the
chemical,
maybe
you
under
applied
the
chemical,
so
we
have
a
real
way
to
test
at
the
head
location
and
maybe
in
intermediary
locations
on
the
way
down
to
the
plant,
and
so
that
really
needs
to
be
implemented,
and
that
is
another
thing.
I
don't
believe
that
that
is
funded
in
this
current
contract.
N
It's
a
budget,
the
contract
that
we
were
referring
to
with
o'brien
and
gear,
would
have
to
be
modified.
To
include
something
like
that.
They're
already
aware
that
we
we
need
a
sampling
system,
an
updated
system.
N
N
The
good
thing
is
that
we're
getting
into
the
colder
months
coming
up
where
manganese,
isn't
technically
a
problem.
Of
course
we
need
more.
A
little
more
rainfall
would
be
nice,
but
so
we've
got
a
little
time
to
to
figure
it
out
before
next
summer,
but
right
now
it's
it's
a
problem.
Just
for
the
public's
sake.
Manganese
is
a
non-hazard
element
in
in
water.
It's
mostly
a
color
issue,
and
it
it
certainly
stains
things
and
it's
unpleasant.
N
It's
an
unpleasant
element
that
finds
its
way
into
the
supply
and
have
ways
to
remove
it.
But
because
of
the
sampling
issue
that
we're
talking
about
now,
we
would
we'd
like
to
fine-tune
it
that
much
better.
It
certainly
saves
the
city
money,
obviously,
if
you're
over
applying
a
chemical
you're
just
wasting
product,
so
there's
there's
a
whole
host
of
reasons
why
you
would
want
to
do
this,
so
that's
that's
something
that
will.
N
I
would
assume
come
out
of
several
meetings
with
o'brien
and
gear
and
they'll
probably
put
together
a
report
and
a
proposal
for
us
thanks.
M
A
A
Okay,
I
guess
what
we'll
do
is,
as
we
spend
every
one
of
our
budget
meetings.
We
ask
if
there
are
any
modifications
to
the
list
anybody
wants
to
make.
A
M
I
I
just
want
to
thank
eric
hathaway
for
his
service
to
the
city
and
wish
him
a
very
happy
retirement
and
a
happy
birthday.
N
Just
just
a
couple
points
on
eric
eric's
been
my
boss
for
15
years.
I
believe
he
was
a
couple
a
couple
of
years
before
I
started
with
a
city
in
2002.
He
left
the
city
to
take
care
of
some
personal
issues
and
then
came
back
to
the
city.
So
he's
he's.
Maybe
wrapping
up
a
37-year
career
he's
he's
very
much
into
camping
at
this
stage
in
life.
N
He's
he's
he's
definitely
ramping
into
enjoyment.
A
F
Combines
the
requirement
for
long-term,
serious
planning
and
everything
going
to
heck
in
in
an
instant
almost
every
other
week
and.
N
Well,
he's
definitely
going
to.
I
asked
him.
I've
been
saying
this,
so
if
you
heard
this,
don't
don't
don't
hammer
me
for
repeating
myself,
but
he
needs
to
keep
the
bat
phone
open
for
all
of
us.
I
think.
A
A
We
will
be
looking
at
youth
bureau,
giac
planning,
building
and
economic
development
and
then
all
of
our
various
community
services-
and
we
also
added
a
conversation
about
community
outreach
worker.
To
that-
and
I
know
there
were
some
additional
questions
that
came
in
about
lead
and
reach,
I
believe
as
well.
So
maybe
we
can
talk
about
all
of
those
pieces
on
that
night.
There
was
also
a
question
about
the
hanger
theater
as
well.
So
we'll
add
all
of
that
conversation
to
next
thursday.
A
It's
really
helpful
if
you
have
additional
questions
to
try
to
send
them
out
if,
especially
because
a
lot
of
it
sometimes
means
gathering
information.
That
is
not
always
easy
for
staff
to
have
right
on
the
fly.
So
if
you
have
questions
about
these
departments,
please
send
them
out
ahead
of
time
and
dan
and
steve,
and
I
will
do
our
best
to
get
the
answers
for
you,
and
I
believe
that
is
probably
I'm
gonna
do
it
for
us
for
this
evening.
So
I
gotta
go
finish
running
a
different
meeting.
A
Then
I'm
also
that
I'm
also
in
at
the
same
time
so
I'll
go.
Do
that
so
I'll
need
a
motion
to
adjourn
so
we
can
make
that
happen.
Steven
seconded
by
donna,
I
saw
donna
nick
sorry,
donna,
so
great,
we'll
see
everybody
in
a
week
have
a
wonderful
weekend.
Everyone
thanks.