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B
All
right
great,
thank
you
so
just
to
report
there
wasn't
any
voting
items
that
emerged
out
of
that
executive
session,
so
we
are
ready
to
get
in
to
our
budget
process.
For
this
evening
we
do
have
several
guests
with
us
tonight
to
talk
about
some
of
the
questions
that
we
had
and
some
of
our
items
included
in
the
budget.
So
we
should
probably
just
get
right
into
that.
I
think.
Does
it
make
sense
to
have
the
representative
from
black
hands
universal
go?
First,
we
had
a
few
questions.
B
Hear
me
now
we
can
yep
absolutely
thanks
for
joining
us
this
evening.
I
think
there
are
some
members
of
city
council
that
just
had
a
number
of
questions
about
the
funding
that
you're
requesting
through
the
city
budget.
So
is
it
okay?
If
I
just
open
the
floor
and
have
those
council
members
ask
you
those
questions?
Yes,.
B
Sounds
great
who
had
a
question
for
do
you
need
to
introduce
yourself?
Does
everybody
know
you
want
it?
Why
don't
you
do
that?
First,
do
a
quick
introduction,
hello.
E
My
name
is
harry
smith:
I'm
ceo
of
black
hands
universal
grassroots
organization.
Here
in
ithaca,
I'm
a
local.
B
F
My
question
is,
I
believe
you
have
received
some
funding
in
the
past
some
through
southside
community
center
and
I
actually
serve
as
a
liaison
to
the
iura,
and
I
believe
you
applied
for
funding
through
the
iura.
So
can
you
just
update
us
on
how
those
funds
have
been
used
in
2021
how
you've
used
those
already.
E
Yes,
iura's
funding,
I've
never
received
yet
it's
still
going
to
be
used
for
2022,
so
we
that
didn't
happen.
Yet
we
are
in
the
process
of
it.
We've
gotten
okay,
which
means
that
it
is
there,
but
we
are
going
to
use
it
for
2022.
We
didn't
actually
have
to
have
it
this
year
to
make
the
programs
work.
E
And
what
was
the
other
one?
I'm
sorry,
the
south
side.
F
Yeah
yeah
any
funding
that
you've
received.
I
understand
through
sell
side,
for
example,
okay,
sell
sides
funding
came,
was
the
city?
Is
the
city's
funding,
we're.
E
Still,
we
just
got
that,
maybe
two
three
months
ago,
we're
still
working
through
that
that
allowed
that
actually
was
very,
very
resourceful
and
very
helpful
that
allowed
us
to
be
able
to
make
it
through
the
rest
of
the
summer
and
to
help
okay,
some
of
the
guys
that
were
working
with
us
also
with
recycling
and
also
for
me
to
recreate
a
space
that
I
believe,
somebody's
probably
going
to
ask
me
a
question
about
at
some
point.
E
Also
got
funding
through
community
foundation,
thank
god.
So
really,
just
this
summer
was
community
foundation
in
the
city
that
allowed
us
to
be
able
to
do
all
that.
We
did
this
summer
and
have
everything
in
preparation
for
this
fall
and
winter.
G
Hi
harry,
hey
george,
how
you
doing
good
harry?
Can
you
tell
us
what
the
status
is
of
the
pre-apprenticeship
program
and
is?
Is
that
going
to
happen
in
that
house
across
from
ag
way
on
green
street?
Yes,
sir,
and
and
how
close
is
that
to
to
starting
up
and
and
what
is
the
the
status
of
your
relationship
with
with
the
trade
unions?
G
E
That
it's
different
than
the
question,
so
we
are
planning
on
starting
in
december.
The
unions
start
really
pulling
in
real
hard
in
february.
E
Everybody's
a
goal
so
far,
we
have
bricklayers,
local
785,
the
carpenters
painters
and
allied
trades
plumbers
and
pipefitters
ibw.
At
the
moment,
we
are
seeking
to
see
if
the
city
will
be
able
to
help
take
in
some
participants.
Also,
the
county
workers
we're
seeking
ethnic
minority
owned
construction
companies,
we're
looking
into
helping
others
create
and
build
companies.
Also,
my
number
ethnically
minority
companies
also,
we
have
people
who
have
the
skills
and
trade
they
just
need
to
help
so
we're
working
with
asu.
Doing
that
too.
E
Of
course,
what
was
the
other
part
of
the
question?
George.
E
Yes,
the
building
on
on
green
street
right,
yes,
the
building
on
green
street.
I
think
that
was
also
a
question
that
was
proposed
to
me.
G
E
The
unions
are
at
this
moment
willing
to
give
us
free
training,
free,
osha
and
ppe,
which
is
proper
protective
equipment.
G
One
of
the
things
I
like
about
this
program
is
driver
education
for
those
who
don't
have
driver's
licenses.
E
We
are
collaborating
with
bell
school
bell
driving
school.
They
gave
us
a
wonderful
opportunity
and
deal
so
we
have
them
coming
in
to
do
the
five-hour
course
and
help
people
get
their
license
because
that
you're
right
it's
a
big
part
of
construction
and
being.
B
H
Hey
harry
good
to
see
you
hi,
so,
looking
into
next
year,
we've
heard
talk
about
the
pre-apprenticeship
program
driver
training.
What
are
the
other
goals
that
you
have
for
the
use
of
these
funds?
Are
you
going?
Is
this
going
to
be
covering
staff
providing
materials
services?
E
We
are
forgot
the
whole
program.
I
believe
I
sent
you
guys
a
program
outline.
E
E
So
will
afcu
will
be
here,
teaching
banking
classes
and
working
with
people
and
helping
them
get
loans
in
order
to
help
them
to
best
serve
their
unit
or
wherever
there
is
that
they
will
be
working
at
and
getting
themselves
started.
Like
I
said,
tst
both
seems
to
be
helping
with
tasks
or
making
a
dvds
bell
driving
school
we'll
be
teaching
the
five-hour
course
helping
people
get
that
we
will
be
running
around
getting
people,
social
security
cards,
birth
certificates
and
things
of
that
nature.
E
In
order
that
they're
going
to
need
osha
10,
the
unions
are
willing
to
come
in
and
teach
the
basic
necessities
for
being
able
to
enter
into
apprenticeships
and
trades.
E
So,
yes,
oh
okay,
the
rest
of
your
question,
I'm
sorry
also,
the
funds
will
be
used
for
the
minimum
amount
of
necessity
for
staff
and
we're
hoping
to
stipend
the
participants
so
that
they
get
this
sort
of
like
paid
training
instance
we're
working
with
a
lot
of
people
right
now
in
order
to
find
a
way
to
make
all
of
this
match
and
work.
E
I
know
that
in
the
beginning
of
this
I
was
asking
for
something
crazy,
but
that's
what
it
took
in
order
for
me
to
see
it
be
able
to
work.
I
was
looking
for
building
and
things
that
I
needed,
so
I
strangled.
I
found
a
way
to
make
everything
happen
and
I
have
22
participants
at
this
moment.
Right
now
and
I
haven't
told
people
I
haven't-
really
promoted
it.
These
are
just
people
that
I
know
that
need
this.
E
There
are
all
types
of
people
between
the
ages
of
pretty
much
18
and
35
single
parent
mothers,
pregnant
women
who
will
have
her
baby
before
the
time
that
she
graduates
from
the
all
program.
G
Sorry
from
before,
that's
okay,
harry,
don't
hesitate
to
reach
out.
Don't
try
to
do
this
all
yourself.
B
B
Hi
we
had
a
few
questions
related
to
several
of
the
items
on
the
capital
projects
list.
So
I
think
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
just
open
the
floor
to
council
members,
so
they
can
get
the
clarification
they
were
looking
for
on
some
of
those
items
I
know
somewhere
was
well
I'll,
just
open
the
floor
because
I
can't
remember
them
all
off
the
top
of
my
head
donna.
I
I
remember
one
small
question
I
had
was:
if
we're
gonna
for
the
public
ev
charging
stations,
if
we,
if
the
city
will
charge
for
the
electricity
consumed
at
cost
or
or
does
that
or
is
it
free?
So
that's
one
question
I
have
to
remember.
I
had
another
question
about
something
on
the
capital
budget
that
I'm
going
to
look
at.
While
I
listen
to
the
answer
about
ev
chargers,.
J
Yeah
the
at
this
point,
we
haven't
defined
a
business
model
for
the
ev
chargers.
What
we
have
right
now
in
the
city
are
free
of
charge
and
they
are
limited
to
a
specific
amount
of
time,
and
it
really
has
to
do
with
how
we
decide
to
do
that.
There
is
three
different
ways
of
doing
this:
one
of
them
we
can
work
with
the
utility
company
and
then
allow
the
utility
company
to
deploy
the
ev
chargers
on
behalf
of
the
city,
and
then
they
would
have
to
follow
a
specific
rate
that
they
could
charge.
J
According
to
the
public
service
commission,
another
model
is
having
the
the
utility
company.
J
You
know
deploying
infrastructure
all
the
way
to
the
charger
and
then
having
the
city
deploying
the
charger,
and
then
we
have
the
option
of
having
a
networked
ev
charging
station,
which
means
that
it
would
be
subscription
based
or
we
could
have
an
isolated
one
which
could
be
free
for
a
period
of
time
and
eventually
we
could
charge
with
a
credit
card
at
a
specific
rate,
and
this
rate
would
not
be
less
than
the
cost
of
retail
electricity
and
it
would
be
a
matter
of
deciding
whether
we
want
to
and
when
we
want
to
start
charging
for
that,
and
the
final
model
is
whether
we
have
the
utility
company
subsidizing
some
of
the
ev
charging
stations,
those
normally
that
that
model
is
used
for
low-moderate
income
communities
and
then
the
rate
is
specifically
designed
for
for
that
particular
deployment.
I
Okay,
my
other
question
was
not
for
luis.
It's
I
want.
I
would
like
an
explanation
for
the
fifty
thousand
dollars
for
the
gateway,
signage.
K
Thank
you
for
that
question
don.
I
think
I
can
answer
that
one
best,
so
the
the
wayfinding
and
gateway
signage
project
is
an
initiative
that
has
been
of
interest
to
the
chamber
and
visit
ithaca
and
the
county
tourism
program
and
city
economic
development.
For
some
time
the
50
000
of
city
funding
would
be
a
city
portion
that
would
leverage
and
provide
backbone
support.
That
would
be
paired
with
a
variety
of
other
funding
sources
to
implement
the
project,
or
at
least
a
significant
portion
of
the
original
project.
K
I
do
expect
that
it
would
be
modified
and
paired
back
somewhat
from
the
initial
project,
which
involved
gateway,
signage,
community,
wayfinding
signage,
as
well
as
identity,
signage
for
certain
destinations
in
the
city,
including
our
parking
garages
it
to
allow
folks
to
more
easily
navigate
their
way
around
the
city.
Other
funding
would
come
from
the
county
room
tax
program.
K
We
would
be
requesting
county
recovery
funds
through
the
grant
program
that
they're
working
on
setting
up.
We
do
have
way
finding
signage
as
one
of
the
projects
in
the
downtown
revitalization
initiative.
K
The
chamber
would
put
in
some
money-
and
you
know
several
other
partners
who
had
committed
funding
would
be
reapproached,
so
this
project
was
one
of
several
priorities
that
were
identified
in
the
economic
recovery
strategy
that
was
put
together
by
iaed
and
the
other
economic
development
partners
as
a
way
to
support
the
the
tourism
industry,
which
is,
you
know,
suffered
mightily
from
the
pandemic.
L
I
had
a
follow-up
question
to
dollars
on
the
ev
charging
so
luis.
I
know
there
are
companies
that
are
also
thinking
about
or
actually
installing
charging
systems
around
the
country
so
have.
Has
the
city
had
any
discussions
with
any
companies
about
kind
of
partnering
in
terms
of
putting
in
ev
stations
in
the
city.
J
J
They've
been
fined
by
the
government
and
they're
not
paying
money
to
the
government
in
instead,
what
they're
doing
is
deploying
charging
stations.
This
is
by
cycles
and
we're
in
cycle
two,
I
believe,
which
ends
in
november
and
what
that
means
is
that
they
need
to
deploy
a
very
large
number
of
charging
stations
between
now
and
november
next
year.
J
So
there
is
a
good
chance
that
we're
going
to
have
a
number
of
those
being
installed
in
in
the
city.
So
right
now
we
have
a
couple
of
proposals
or
where
you
know
they
could
do
that.
But
you
know
it's
very
early
stages
at
this
point,
but
that's
one
example.
There
are
others
like
chargepoint,
for
example,
that
also
has
a
network
service,
so
those
are
great
for
fast
charging
stations
and,
and
that
way
the
city
doesn't
have
to
use
taxpayers
money
to
deploy
fast
charging,
and
we
just
focus
on
level
two.
G
Thank
you,
I'm
unmuted,
yeah
yeah.
We
can
hear
you
okay,
tom.
My
question
is
about
the
route
13
5th
street
infrastructure
request
for
over
600
thousand
dollars.
G
G
I'm
I
don't
understand
why
we
would
spend
that
much
money
on
something,
that's
responsibility
of
of
the
developer,
and
I
know
that
conversations
I've
had
with
a
member
of
two
members
of
the
county
legislature
that
that
matching
six
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
dollars
is
not
in
their
budget.
K
Lisa
nicholas
is
on
to
help
answer
that
question,
I'm
also
more
than
willing
to
take
part
in
in
the
discussion
in
terms
of
the
county.
I
think
the
intent
was
to
apply
through
this,
for
a
portion
of
the
seven
million
dollar
grant
program
that
they
set
up,
but
lisa
did
you
want
to
field
that
question.
M
Sure
so
george
you're
correct
that
the
developer
is
responsible
for
that
intersection.
We
are
the
improvements
to
that
intersection
and
the
you're
also
correct
that
the
economic
development
community
put
this
request
in.
We
did
say
that
we
would,
in
good
faith,
look
for
ways
to
partner
with
this
with
the
developer,
to
look
for
other
funding
for
the
intersection,
because
it
is,
as
you
see
quite
expensive.
M
M
We
may
want
to
consider
well,
we
may
about
to
consider
keeping
this
money
and-
and
you
know,
for
instance,
like
the
extension
of
5th
street
back
to
3rd
street
extension
or
other
costs
associated
with
the
build
grant
that
aren't
technically
part
of
this
intersection.
So,
yes,
the
developer
is
technically
responsible.
We
did
say
we
would
look
for
other
sources
of
funding
and
certainly
the
money
could
be
used
for
route.
13
improvements
does
that
answer
the
question.
B
H
I
M
The
request-
I
don't,
I
don't
think
the
the
engineering
department
hasn't
been
involved
with
the
requests
they
are
involved
with.
They
were
involved
with
working
with
the
developer
to
design
the
intersection.
M
So
I
could
say
that
the
build
grant
is
a
design.
Is
a
planning
and
design
grant
and
that
grant
will.
We
will
end
the
grant
at
the
end
of
next
year,
hopefully
with
a
design
for
route
13..
It
will
be
that,
but
then
we
won't
have
money
to
implement
it.
Parts
of
it
will
be
implemented.
Part
part
of
it
will
be
this
intersection
and
the
intersection
at
willow
and
day
in
route
13..
Also
the
developer
is
for
city.
Harbor
is
responsible
for
paying
for
that,
but
there
will
there
will
be.
M
We
will
have
to
seek
other
funding
to
implement
whatever
is
designed
for
the
build
grant.
So,
although
there's
not
a
direct
relationship
but
cert
that
money
certainly
could
be
used
to
implement
what
the
designs
for
the
build
that
resulted
from
the
build
grant.
K
I
I
just
want
to
add
a
perspective
that
I
think
you
know
that
if
the
if
council
were
to
vote
to
support
this
now,
I
don't
think
it
necessarily
means
that
you're
you're
handing
money
or
that
money
over
to
the
developer
to
lisa's
point
you
know,
there's
a
variety
of
potential
needs
related
to
those
intersections
in
support
of
you
know
allowing
those
projects
to
move
forward
smoothly.
K
So
I
would
imagine
that
and
lisa
may
want
to
add
to
this,
but
I
I
would
imagine
there
would
be
some
additional
discussion
about
the
the
specific
allocations
within
that
you
know,
rather
than
signing
it
over
to
the
developer
as
you
as
you
stated,
it
short.
B
H
K
So
so
two
two
separate
requests:
two
separate
programs
there.
Let
me
speak
first
to
rise
rise,
is
a
program
that
we
helped
initiate
in
partnership
with
alternatives,
federal
credit
union
and
the
small
business
development
center.
We
received
a
grant
from
the
appalachian
regional
commission
for
for
for
phase
one
of
this
project.
K
What
rise
does
is
it
works
with
business
owners
who,
because
of
their
financial
position,
they
can't
access
traditional
business
financing,
so
it
works
with
them
through
in-depth
training
and
technical
assistance
to
get
ready
for
to
apply
to
a
special
fund.
K
That
is
a
character-based
loan
pool,
and
then,
if,
if
they're
successful
in
in
receiving
those
loans,
then
they
you
know
they
they.
Those
loans
are
made
on
the
basis
of
you,
know
the
strength
of
the
business
plan
and
the
character
of
the
business
owner,
not
on
credit
and
collateral,
which
is
how
business
loans
are
typically
made.
These
monies
would
allow
basically
the
program
to
work
with
more
people
and
extend
the
the
the
work.
That's
already
been
done
to
set
the
program
up
through
the
arc
funding.
K
So
it's
it's
an
expansion
of
a
program
that
exists
and
the
program
is
administered
by
afcu
and
and
by
and
with
support
of
the
small
business
development
center.
And
we
are,
you
know,
in
a
supportive
role
now
yeah
yeah,
so.
H
K
But
yes,
most
likely
that
that
would
be
the
case.
Yes
right
now,
afcu
actually
allocated
monies
to
alternatives,
impact
250
000
for
the
initial
loan
pool.
I
I
expect
all
those
monies
would
be
would
be
loaned
out,
but
then
they
would
be.
You
know
they
would
be
paid
back
as
they're
paid
back.
That
then
becomes
a
revolving
loan
fund
that
can
become
available
to
new
applicants.
So
I
do
I.
I
think
that
the
need
will
be
primarily
in
the
area
of
the
training
and
technical
assistance
component
of
the
of
the
program.
K
If
there
were
a
need
for
additional,
you
know
loan
funds,
then
that
is,
is
written
into
the
request
as
a
possible
expenditure
as
it's
written
now.
So
we
wanted
to
be
flexible
in
in
how
we
wrote
it.
We
knew
that
we
would
have
a
need
and
right
now,
we've.
I
think
there
have
been
several
loans
made.
There's
a
few
dozen
a
couple
dozen
people
who
have
either
applied
to
be
in
the
program
or
actively
in
the
program.
So
we'll
know
more.
K
H
Thank
you
and
then,
with
regards
to
the
small
scale,
manufacturing
and
crowdsourcing
initiative.
K
They
are
yeah
and,
and
both
both
of
those
are
programs
that
we're
leading
here
out
of
the
city
in
partnership
with
with
others
so
with
small-scale
manufacturing.
K
K
We
are,
we
have
been
interviewing
product-based
businesses
in
ithaca,
we've
been
interviewing
property
owners
and
other
stakeholders
to
identify
what
the
challenges
and
opportunities
are
around
better
supporting
small
scale
manufacturers,
which
we
define
as
any
company.
That's
making
a
tangible
product
that
can
be
packaged,
replicated
and
sold
from
hot
sauce
to
handbags
to
hardware,
and
so
we're
we
are.
We
are
very
close
to
having
our
action
plan
in
a
place
where
you
know
we'll
be
we'll
be
ready
to
start
sharing
that
out
with
others
and
getting
input.
K
The
specific
expenditures
that
would
be
paid
for
through
arpa
would
be
basically
to
implement
the
priorities
that
are
coming
out
of
our
our
planning
activities
that
we're
engaged
with
right
now.
It
could
be
additional
targeted,
small
business
development
assistance,
that's
very
targeted
to
small
product
based
businesses
in
the
city.
It
could
be
additional
marketing
and
branding
support
to
to
to
to
generate
additional
awareness
and
interest
in
in
this
initiative
and
in
small-scale
manufacturing.
K
So
those
are
a
couple
of
examples
of
the
types
of
things
that
may
emerge
as
priorities
from
our
planning
activities
and
and
we'll
have
the
specifics.
I
would
say,
within
the
next
six
weeks
to
start
sharing
around.
H
So,
basically,
if,
if
I'm
understanding
in
both
of
these
cases,
this
is
funding
that
is
coming
out
of
the
city's
arpa
funds,
but
is
going
to
be
directly
supporting
other
organizations
who
are
basically
charged
with
implementing
these
action
plans,
whether
or
not
it's
training
or
marketing,
support
or
or
others
this.
This
is
not
an
obligation,
that's
going
to
be
taken
on
by
city
staff
or
city
departments.
This
is
an
administrative
of
administration
of
funds
to
other
organizations,
correct.
K
So
all
four
organizations
are
are
part
of
this
effort
and
part
of
that
planning
activity
that
we're
undergoing
right
now
will
be
to
figure
out
where
the
the
actual
activities
our
best
should
should
lie,
should
should
best
be
situated,
and
you
know
me
we
may
want
to
take
on
some
of
that
work
internally
with
the
city
or
we
may
want
to
say
no.
You
know
dia
or
iaed
you're
best
suited
to
take
that
piece
on,
so
so
that
one's
a
little
more
in
influx.
K
In
terms
of
you
know
whether
we
would
just
contract
it
out
or
whether
we
would
take
on
some
activities
internally.
The
the
the
the
third
initiative
that
you're
speaking
about.
H
Can
I
just
say
something
before
we
transfer
recognizing
that
these
arpa
funds
are
are
fixed
and
they
have
a
short
time,
duration
and
then
they're
going
to
go
away?
You
know
one
of
the
things.
That's
always
a
slippery
slope.
Is
you
have
this
funds?
You
want
to
start
this
great
new
program,
but
then,
of
course,
if
if
it
becomes
something
that
we're
incorporating
into
city
operations,
there's
going
to
be
additional
costs
and
so
on
that
will
no
longer
receive
funding,
as
so
as
soon
as
arpa
goes
away.
H
So
I'm
very
cautious-
and
I
I'm
going
to
presume
that
before
any
initiative
is
considered,
that
would
bind
city
staff
or
city
city
operations
that
that
would
come
back
to
council
for
a
deliberation
or
direction
before
it's
just
incorporated.
Is
that
going
to
be
the
case.
K
That
makes
total
sense.
I
think
I
totally
understand
what
you're
saying
cynthia
and-
and
certainly
I'm
very
you
know,
cognizant
of
that
as
well.
You
know,
as
I
talk
about
the
potential
that
city
sap
take
on
some
of
the
work,
the
way
that
I
think
about
that
is
okay.
K
If
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
develop
a
say
made
in
ithaca
brand,
you
know-
maybe
maybe
we
administer
the
contract
with
the
design
consultant
that
that
sets
up
the
website
and
you
know,
develops
the
the
marketing
a
plan
and
implements
you
know,
phase
one
of
the
marketing
plan
around
that,
but
but
doesn't
require
ongoing
city
resources
beyond.
You
know
a
piece
of
my
time
to
to
to
maintain,
but
yes,
I
I
think
I
understand
and
what
you're
saying
and
absolutely
we
would
want
to
do
that.
K
Do
you
want
me
to
talk
about
the
other
one,
the
grassroots
investment
crowdfunding.
H
That's
the
fifty
thousand
dollars.
Well,
I
I
think
I've
occupied
enough
of
the
time,
so
I
I
will
pause
on
that
in
in
case
other
people.
I
know
other
people
have
questions.
Thank
you.
G
Thanks,
I
I'm
still
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
this
5th
street
route,
13
request.
So
forgive
me,
I
there's
a
couple
things
I
don't
understand.
I
don't
understand
why,
if,
if
this
we're
saying
that
this,
these
funds
could
be
used
for
something
adjacent
to
that
intersection
like
an
extension
of
fifth
street
to
third
street
or
or
or
something.
G
Why
would
we
not
make
that
request
through
the
department
of
public
works
through
the
sidewalk
fund
and
and
asked
for
the
specific
things
that
was
going
to
do
and
I'd
like
to
know
if
the
county
does
not
come
up
with
matching
funds
which
it
looks
like
they're
not
going
to
do?
You
still
want
us
to
approve
this
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
thirdly,
what's
to
keep
a
developer
down
the
road
who
is
responsible
for
the
day
street
intersection
with
route
13
to
say?
M
Lisa's
still
on
yeah.
Well
I
mean
again,
I
I
mean
george,
you
have
a
lot
of
good
points
and
my
intention
in
explaining
this
again.
I
did-
I
didn't
put
this
capital
request
in,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
explain
what
the
value
of
it
could
be
and
it
could
be.
M
You
know
it
could
be
contribution
to
this
expense
that
we
said
we
would
look
for
opportunities
to
find
funding
for
on
behalf
of
the
developer,
but
we
could
also
use
it
for
other
other
projects
that
we
know
are
going
to
come
as
a
result
of
the
build
grant.
I'm
my
purpose
in
explaining
that
is
to
demonstrate
that
this
money
has
value,
even
if
it
is
not
used
for
to
offset
the
cost
for
the
developer.
That
is
my.
M
Is
I
think,
there'll
be
plenty
of
expenses
related
to
the
transformation
of
route
13
and
as
long
as
that
works
with
the
arpa
rules,
that
it
doesn't
have
to
be
used
exactly
at
that
intersection
or
if
it
can
be
used
adjacent
to
it?
I
think
that
certainly
we
will
have
we
will
have.
There
are
many
things
we
would
like
to
we're
going
to
find
that
we
want
to
do
with
route
13
that
are
currently
not
funded
as
a
result
of
the
build
grant
or
as
a
result
of
the
waterfront
development.
D
N
N
F
Not
to
belabor
this
further,
but
I
thought
I
heard
lisa.
Perhaps
you
say
that
it's
not
the
case
that
the
county
has
decided
not
to
fund
but
they're,
going
through
a
process
to
determine
the
distribution
of
their
arpa
funds,
and
this
may
be
one
of
the
requests
that
they're,
considering
contributing
with
their
arbor
funds.
Is
that
correct.
K
Yeah,
I
think
I
I
think
I
did
speak
to
that
yeah.
So
the
way
that
I
mean
the
way
the
count
the
county
is
dealing
with
distribution
of
their
funds
is
is
different
than
the
city.
K
One
of
the
things
that
I
understand
they
have
done
is
they
have
sort
of
quote
de-federalized
some
of
the
arp
of
money
that
they
have
received
by
by
bringing
monies
into
the
general
fund
under
the
the
sort
of
lost
revenues
eligible
use
under
arbut
and
then
they're
using
general
funds
that
are
in
in
surplus
to
create
a
new
grant
program
which
is
in
the
process
of
being
developed.
K
Now,
they've
allocated
seven
million
dollars
to
that
grant
program
for
community
recovery
projects,
and
we
have
communicated
iaed
has
communicated
what
the
economic
recovery
priorities
are
that
have
been
identified
in
the
economic
recovery
strategy.
We've
also
articulated
sort
of
a
concept
about
what
makes
sense
in
terms
of
shared
funding
between
the
county
and
the
city,
and
so
so.
I
anticipate
that
any
of
the
projects
in
the
mayor's
recommended
budget
that
were
in
our
county-wide
economic
recovery
strategy,
including
the
route
13
5th
street
intersection
request.
K
If,
if
the
city
chooses
to
fund
it,
we
would,
we
would
then
work
with
our
partners
to
apply
for
match
funding
from
the
county
through
that
seven
million
dollar
grant
program
which
they
are
working
on.
Establishing
now.
F
F
Construction
gap
for
the
conference
center.
Can
you
comment
on
that.
K
Yes,
yes,
I
can
at
the
time
that
we
were
invited
to
submit
capital
project
requests.
We
were
looking
at
a
construction
gap
of
around
245
000.
I
believe
off
the
top
of
my
head,
that.
K
What
we
see-
oh
that's,
what
it
was,
then
sorry
yeah,
that's
correct
and
fortunately
the
we
we
put
in
that
request
before
we
before
we
went
to
market
with
the
bonds
and
fortunately
the
price
on
the
bonds
came
back.
The
interest
rate
came
back
less
than
we
had
been
anticipating
in
the
budget,
and
so
therefore
that
gap
was
reduced
to
close
to
zero
because
of
getting
a
better
rate
on
on
the
bonds.
K
Subsequently,
you
know,
as
we
all
know,
there
have
been
cost
escalations
and
so
we're
vecino
and
the
conference
center
team
and
and
nels
and
others
on
the
garage
side
as
well,
are
working
through
addressing
those
cost
escalations
through
value
engineering
measures
and,
and
so
we
we,
we
don't
have
any
kind
of
a
new
figure
yet
about
what
a
gap
may
be.
But
we
continue
to
monitor
that.
K
We
also
continue
to
monitor
with
great
interest
the
the
earmark
request
that
we
put
in
through
senator
chuck
schumer's
office
for
conference
center
funding,
which
is,
as
I
understand
it
currently
in
the
draft
legislation
as
to
be
to
be
funded.
So
that's
why
we
removed
the
the
request
of
273
thousand
dollars
through
the
capital
project
request
process.
B
H
Well,
could
we
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
priority
economic
development
project
fund
for
150
000.
K
I'm
I'm
happy
to
speak
to
it.
I
I
don't
know
if
the
mayor
or
others
are
on
the
capital
review
committee
wanted
to
speak
to
it
as
well.
You
know
the
I
I
worked
with
all
of
our
economic
development
service
providers
to
request
funding,
for,
I
think,
13
or
14
total
economic
recovery
initiatives
that
were
identified
as
priorities
in
the
economic
recovery
strategy
that
we
put
together
and.
K
K
But
there
was
not
enough
funding
available
in
the
in
in
that
in
that
capital
budget
development
process
to
fund
them
all,
and
so
therefore,
the
the
capital
project
review
committee
is
recommending
150
000
to
be
put
to
some
of
the
other
projects
that
we
requested
funding
for
and
I'm
in
the
process
right
now
of
convening
our
our
partners
to
identify.
K
You
know
what
our
our
priorities
are
within
those
requests
and
what
would
what
would
best
move
the
needle
now
in
terms
of
economic
recovery
from
from
those
requests?
And
so
I
don't.
I
don't
know
if
others
want
to
want
to
speak
to
the
intent
around
or
on
that
line
item.
But
that's
that's
how
I'm
understanding
it
and
and
and
dealing
with
it.
C
Yep
yep,
so
so
you
might
remember
from
way
back
in
the
summer
when
that
collaborative
of
economic
development
folks
led
by
tom,
presented
to
the
planning
committee,
those
12
or
13
projects,
four
or
five
of
them,
we
just
refunded
directly
and
then
the
remainder
we
said.
Look
we
felt
like,
as
the
capital
project
review
committee,
we
weren't
in
the
best
position
to
prioritize
the
remainder
given
the
funds
we
had.
So
we
said
here's
150
000
and
we
trust
you
this
collaborative
to
pick
the
remainder
of
the
the
programs.
H
And
how
many
programs
would
this
150
potentially
fund?
Could
it
fund
half
of
them
a
quarter
of
them
all
of
them.
C
It
depends
which
ones
they
go
for
yeah
right,
so
some
of
the
the
bigger
ones
the
the
cluster
tech
business
center
at
chain
works.
I
think
that
was
that
was
50
000..
The
office
recruitment
program
headed
by
the
dia,
was
50
000,
some
were
bigger,
so
it
depends
which
projects
they
go
for.
H
And
and
okay,
all
right,
I
don't
want
to
belabor
it,
but
I'm
I'm
presuming
that
there
are
other
organizations
that
would
also
be
contributing
funding
towards
these
goals,
and-
and
this
is
part
of
you
know-
partly
leverage
to
maximize
those
those
other
funding
sources.
C
B
Oh
also
to
let
everyone
know
the
latest
version
of
the
list
that
I
sent
around
you'll
notice.
That
last
night
steve
reminded
me
that
we
needed
to
add
just
a
formal
amendment.
We
did
include
an
over
target
for
tcat.
I
think
there
was
some
assumption
there
would
be
in
some
kind
of
increase
and
there
isn't
so
you'll
see
32,
732
and
removed
from
the
budget,
and
since
that
was
included,
we
thought
we
just
needed
to
do
that
as
a
formal
amendment
to
make
that
change.
B
So
you'll
see
that
on
the
list
now
as
well,
I
think
there
were
a
couple
of
things
that
still
needed
potentially
a
little
bit
more
discussion.
I
you
know
7
37
and
I
think
we
were
trying
to
get
to
the
place
where
all
of
the
amendments
were
made
tonight.
So
we
could
move
the
budget
to
the
council
meeting,
but
that
doesn't
happen.
B
We
do
still
have
kind
of
a
placeholder
in
november
for
this,
but
I
think
we're
in
relatively
good
shape
with
all
of
these
things,
so
I
think
I'm
just
gonna
go
through
these.
We
talked
about
we
heard
from
fire
department
jihad.
We
heard
from
dpw
we
heard
from
youth
bureau.
I
don't
know
if
laura
you
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
at
length
about
the
right
to
counsel.
Is
there
anything
on
there?
You
wanted
to
say,
or
is
there
anything
that
any
questions
that
council
has
on
that
item,
that
laura
added.
H
Thank
you
laura
is
this
funding
that
you
envisioned
would
go
directly
to
law
new
york.
What
would
be
the
organization
that
would
be
administering
receiving
distributing
these
funds
and
having
oversight
of
how
the
funds
are
being
used.
F
These
funds
would
be
used
by
law
new
york.
The
mou
would
be
developed
between
the
city
and
law
new
york
to
hire
a
lawyer
to
represent
tenants
in
eviction
court.
Yes,.
F
F
Well,
my
proposal
was
for
this
year,
not
necessarily
in
perpetuity,
although
I
would
hope
that
would
be
the
case
I
did
mention,
and
this
may
have
been
a
confusing
point.
I
did
mention
that
various
municipalities
across
the
country
have
found
different
ways
of
funding
right-to-counsel
programs.
In
some
instances,
cities
have
used
arbor
funds.
F
F
It
was
extended
on
a
federal
level
and
then
thankfully
extended
in
new
york
state
by
the
governor,
because
there
was
a
slow
rollout,
as
you
may
recall,
of
the
e-wrap
funds,
emergency
rental
assistance
program,
funds
which
are
now
moving
quite
quickly
and
in
fact
the
governor
has
requested
even
more
funding
for
e-wrap.
F
F
F
This
point
has
been
made
by
others.
There
are
tenants
who
simply
do
not
show
up
in
eviction
court
and
that
dynamic
may
shift
considerably
if
tenants
are
made
aware
of
a
right
to
counsel
program
and
knowing
that
they
will
be
represented
in
eviction
court.
If
someone
does
not
show
up
in
eviction
court,
it
is
a
de
facto
eviction.
F
Very,
very
small
percentage
of
tenants
are
represented
in
eviction
court
now
in
cleveland,
for
example,
the
city
of
cleveland
saw
93
reduction
in
evictions
in
new
york
city.
There
were
similar
rates
of
individual
tenants
being
allowed
to
remain
in
their
homes
if
they
have
representation
in
eviction
court.
F
So
this
can
really
change
people's
lives,
change
the
lives
of
families-
and
this
is
the
time
to
do
it.
Not
only
because
the
moratorium
is
expiring
january
15th,
but,
most
importantly,
is
that
there
have
been
multiple
partnerships
developed
over
the
course
of
this
past
year,
thanks
to
the
enterprise
grant
so
partnerships
with
law,
new
york,
partnerships
with
cornell
law,
school
partnerships
with
hsc.
F
H
Thank
you
just
from
a
process
standpoint,
then.
If
this
is
intended
to
be
a
one-time
grant,
can
we
call
it
a
a
one-time
or
one-year
right-to-counsel
grant
out
of
arpa
funds
so
that
there's
clear
indication
to
law
new
york
that
the
intent
is
that
this
is
not
a
recurring
contribution
from
at
some
point,
the
general
fund.
F
My
preference
would
be
to
keep
it
in
the
general
fund
because
of
as
you
point
out,
arpa
funds
are
very
intentionally
one-time
funds.
I
would
hope
that
a
right
to
counsel
program
can
be
continued
in
the
future,
but
we
need
better
data
than
we
have
at
the
moment.
What
we
have
at
the
moment
is
carl
foyer's
2018
study
that
he
conducted
with
70
approximately
70
tenants
in
eviction
court,
so
my
preference
would
be
not
to
include
it
in
arpa
funds,
but
that
you
know
that's
up
to
my
colleagues
on
council.
H
F
I
F
The
estimates
are
that
there
may
be
100
eviction
cases
remember
that
in
2018,
when
carl
conducted
his
study,
there
were
75
77
cases
that
that
he
studied
in
that
one
year
with
the
pent
up
rental
arrears
with
eviction
court,
not
being
in
session
for
the
past
18
months.
I
feel
sadly
confident
that
there
will
be
a
significant
number
of
evictions
going
to
court.
F
G
I
I
got
the
impression
from
conversations
you
and
I
had
that
these
partners
that
you
mentioned,
which
include
cornell
university
law
school,
have
the
cost
of
of
legal
aid
to
tenants
covered
through
the
first
quarter
of
2022.,
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
that,
if
I
understood
you
correctly,
and
perhaps
we
could
lower
the
cost
by
just
paying
for
what's
needed
in
2022,
which
is
the
last
three
quarters
of
this
of
the
year
and
whether
or
not
we
can
get
additional
help
from
cornell
law
school.
F
Now
I
understand
george,
and
I
think
that
is
a
good
question,
an
appropriate
question.
I've
asked
that
question.
Is
this
amount
scalable
cornell
law
school,
conducts
they
they
have
a
tenant
practicum
that
they
fund
in
part
and
additional
semesters
have
been
funded
through
the
enterprise
grant.
F
There
is
a
hope
that
there
will
be
pro
bono
lawyers
who
may
be
able
to
work
or
represent
tenants
in
eviction
court.
Yes,
some
of
the
enterprise
funds
are
assisting
law
new
york.
At
this
point
again
to
your
question
and
to
donna's
question,
I
just
have
real
concerns
that
there
will
be
a
considerable
number
of
evictions
coming
to
court
in
2022.
F
So
certainly
it's
up
to
council
to
make
a
decision
on
whether
to
fund
this.
I
think
the
timing
is
right
and
the
timing,
by
the
way
is
this-
is
being
discussed
all
across
the
country
by
individual
cities
by
states
as
a
whole.
There
are
three
states
that
are
now
passing
right
to
council
legislation,
so
I
think
we
can
leverage
resources
that
have
been
developed
during
the
pandemic.
F
You
know
that's
that's
up
to
up
to
council.
I
will
say
that
if
we
establish
a
right
to
counsel
program
that
is
making
a
commitment
to
represent
tenants
in
court
and
again,
sadly,
I
am
confident
that
there
will
be
eviction
cases
coming
to
court
and,
ironically,
in
some
sense,
as
I
mentioned
earlier,
it
may
be
that
there
are
more
eviction.
Cases
coming
to
court
once
tenants
understand
that
they
will
have
legal
representation
in
the
past.
F
G
F
It
is
covered
the
for
some
cases.
Yes,
indeed,.
F
L
Thanks
dad
so
laura,
I
I'm
also
sympathetic
to
this.
I'm
I'm
a
little
concerned.
Some
of
the
things
you've
said
you
had
mentioned
that
when
these
programs
are
in
place,
the
number
of
actions
actually
goes
down
which
to
me
that's
very
appealing,
argument
to
have
this
at
least
trial
program,
but
then
you're,
saying
there's
going
to
be
an
increasing
need
for
this
kind
of
support.
So
I'm
hearing
a
slight
contradiction
there
to
to
me
part
of
the
rationale
for
having
this.
L
Apart
from
to
maybe
level
the
playing
field,
a
little
bit
more
is
to
actually
reduce
the
number
of
evictions
that
basically
happen,
and
if
this
program
or
programs
like
this
do
that
that's
much
more
convincing
argument.
Then
there'll
always
be
a
demand
for
this
because,
as
some
of
my
colleagues
have
pointed
out,
if
you
start
this-
and
there
is
this
legal-
you
know
right
to
council-
then
obviously
people
will
show
up
more,
but
if
that
in
turn
then
leads
to
less
evictions
and
that's
hopefully,
the
kind
of
data
you're
talking
about.
L
I
mean
I
am
sympathetic
to
this,
but
I
think
you
know
when
I'm
looking
at
the
list.
This
is
a
fairly
big
ask
compared
to
some
of
the
other
amounts
on
the
list,
so
that
125
000.
Could
you
just
confirm
that
pays
for
one
lawyer
for
a
year?
Is
that
what
where
that
number
comes
from.
F
Yes,
it
may
pay
for
one
and
a
half
lawyers
and-
and
let
me
just
clarify
the
cases
that
would
go
to
eviction
court.
Those
tenants
would
need
legal
representation.
F
The
positive
outcome
in
eviction
court
may
be,
if
tenants
are
represented,
that
they
are
not
evicted,
so
it
still
is
adjudicated
in
eviction
court.
L
Yeah,
actually,
I
had
an
even
kind
of
more
slightly
removed
incentive,
that
is,
there
will
be
more
opportunity
or
more
incentive
for
landlords
and
tenants
to
come
up
with
some
kind
of
agreement
on
the
dispute
rather
than
taking
it
to
court.
If
both
sides
are
legally
represented,
so.
L
D
L
F
No,
no,
that
that
is
a
very
good
point
and,
and
we
don't
know
it
may
be,
that
the
landlord
serves
the
tenant
with
eviction
papers.
F
J
A
Think,
with
the
the
evidence
of
this,
where
it's
been
done
in
other
cities
shows
that
in
a
lot
of
cases,
the
the
prevention
of
eviction
happens
because
it
allows
the
landlord
and
the
tenant
to
negotiate
on
an
equal
footing,
because
the
tenant
has
a
representation
which
you
know
they
often
don't
in
eviction
proceedings
right
now,
and
I
I
do
really
support
this.
I
think
it's
a.
I
think
it's
it's
a
really
positive
step.
We
can.
We
can
take
to
to
reduce
evictions
in
the
city
which
have
an
enormous
human
cost
and
toll.
A
You
know
not
just
thinking
about
like
the
potential
for
homelessness,
but
the
disruption
for
families
lives.
The
disruption
for
children
who
are
going
to
school
potential
disruption
for
employment,
there's
a
lot
of
really
negative
impacts
from
eviction
that
can
really
ripple
out
through
society,
and
I
think
where
this
has
been
done
in
other
cities,
and
there
actually
is
really
significant
evidence
to
show
that
this
program
really
works
to
significantly
reduce
evictions,
and
I
also
just
wanted
to
add
that
you
know
the
number
that's
been
come
up.
A
That's
been
come
up
with
here
for
for
the
cost
of
the
program,
it
wasn't
just
picked
out
of
thin
air.
I
mean
there
was
really
a
lot
of
study
that
went
into
this,
but
carl
four
has
done
and
laura
have
done
an
enormous
amount
of
research
on
this
and
looking
at
other
programs
and
how
this
works.
So
I
really
hope
that
we
can
support
this.
I
think
it's
a
it's
a
good
investment
of
city
taxpayer
dollars
and
I
do
think
it
will
have
really
positive
benefits
for
the
community.
F
Yeah
thanks
seth
those
social
costs
are
very
real.
I
will
also
say
that
we
want
to
do
everything
possible
to
prevent
further
displacement,
especially
of
people
of
color
from
our
city,
and
if
people
are
able
to
stay
in
their
homes
and
not
be
evicted,
that
is,
of
course,
a
very
positive
outcome.
Someone
who's
evicted
then
has
that
on
their
record
and
has
difficulty
getting
housing
in
the
future,
perhaps
jobs.
F
This
would
also
that
I
just
last
point
others
have
raised
concern
about
soft
evictions
or
illegal
evictions
when
a
landlord
may
take
certain
actions.
An
attendant
does
not
have
legal
representation
again,
and
let
me
just
say
I
have
said
this
in
earlier
meetings.
I
do
not
at
all
believe
that
all
landlords
are
nefarious
or
poor
landlords
or
taking
advantage
of
their
tenants.
F
I
do
not
believe
that,
however,
a
program
like
a
right
to
counsel
program
does
rebalance
that
power
dynamic
in
eviction
court,
and
I
think
that
is
really
significant
and
you
know,
as
ceph
said,
there's
plenty
of
research
that
the
results
are
positive
for
the
individual
tenant,
but
also
for
the
community
at
large,
so
happy
to
answer
any
other
questions.
B
Looking
down
the
rest
of
the
list,
I
don't
know
how
open
everybody
is
to
having
additional
long
discussions
or
at
eight
o'clock,
but
I
don't
know
if
anyone
wants
to
have
any
more
discussion
on
the
council,
salary
or
if
you
want
to
just
work
that
out
through
the
voting.
Did
we
talk
about
that
enough
last
night?
B
I
got
some
good
questions,
and
so
I
did
I
did
send
around
what
could
be
sort
of
possible
tasks
for
this
person
had
a
couple
of
good
conversations
with
the
mayor
and
chief
of
staff
today
about
it
also.
I
think
this
is
something
that
needs
to
go
through
some
sort
of
process
and
it
might
make
sense
if
it's
coupled
with
some
sort
of
evaluation
of
the
commissions
and
the
amount
of
money
that
I
put
related
to.
It
was
just
simply
a
placeholder
amount
of
money.
B
So
what
may
make
sense
is
to
put
sort
of
a
small
working
group
of
people
together
that
might
include
our
new
chief
of
staff
and
some
of
the
other
people
that
had
initially
worked
on
the
the
redesign
of
the
commissions
to
take
a
look
at.
You
know
what
was
really
needed
and
in
my
mind,
I'm
kind
of
thinking
about
this
as
transition
to
city
manager.
B
Getting
at
this
notion
of
constituent
relations,
which
is
sort
of
a
deficiency
we
have
right
now
and
then
it's
kind
of
overall
coordination
of
volunteers
and
recruitment
and
and
vetting
of
application
and
some
of
those
pieces.
So
I'm
happy
to
entertain
any
questions
on
this
as
well,
and
then
I
think
that's
the
last
thing
we
needed
to
have
discussion
on
before
we
get
into
voting.
F
B
B
It
could
be
something
where
we
approve
it
and
we
put
a
placeholder
amount
of
money,
and
then
we
allow
the
whatever
working
group
to
go
away.
Do
some
analysis
of
the
commissions
and
put
a
much
more
formal
job,
description
together
and
some
of
those
pieces,
and
then
I
guess
bring
it
back
at
that
point
with
a
more
realistic
dollar
figure,
because
this
has
not
gone
through
the
hr
process
of
being
graded
in
any
of
those
pieces
either.
So
it
wouldn't,
it
would
need
all
of
those
things.
B
Enhanced
what
we
are
asking
of
staff
without
really
putting
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure
behind
it,
and
I
think
the
the
the
change
to
the
commission
structure
was
one
of
the
things
it
was
it's
sort
of
like
the
straw
breaking
the
camel's
back.
That
was
like
the
breaking
point
of
asking
staff
to
do
something
else
without
taking
something
off
their
plate.
So
I
think
the
commissions
need
an
analysis.
B
Taking
a
look
at
this
open
gov
that
was
authorized
for
public
information,
it
has
a
lot
of
capacity,
but
what
I
worry
about
is
the
capacity
that
it
has
for
this
constituent
relations
doesn't
really
have
anybody
assigned
to
it
specifically,
so
it
might
be
helpful
to
have
a
person
that's
working
on
just
that
constituent
relationship
piece.
So.
B
E
G
I
know
some
of
us
argued
last
night
about
not
combining
positions
but
we're
under
the
gun
in
terms
of
how
much
money
we're
going
to
add
to
the
mayor's
budget,
and
I
think
it
might
be
worth
considering
combining
this
task
with
this
job.
With
the
events
coordinator,
half
a
position
for
the
events
coordinators
already
in
the
budget-
we
don't
know
if
that's
not
enough
or
if
it
is
enough
yet
because
we
haven't
tried
it.
B
B
So
I'm
not
sure
those
two
things
combined
would
actually
even
be
feasible
for
one
person
to
to
be
scheduled
into
that
different
kind
of
work,
and
I
think
there's
a
there's
a
there
was
also
an
argument
made
that
there
are
some
people
that
are
more
versed
in
the
event,
planning
or
event
coordination
that
they
don't
think.
Halftime
is
even
enough
because
they
kind
of
see
the
volume
of
work
that
has
come
through,
especially
with
all
the
new
requirements
for
special
events.
B
B
It
needs
a
review
from
hr,
so
you
could
certainly
look
at
it
as
half
time
or
you
could
just
assign
a
an
amount
of
money
that
you're
comfortable
with
putting
aside
and
then
seeing
what
the
committee
comes
up
with
and
using
it,
then
that
you
know
for
the
you
could
do
the
same
with
the
events
coordinator
too.
If,
if
we
don't
think
that's
full-time,
if
we
think
it's
three-quarter
time
that
that's
also
an
option
for
anyone
to
change.
O
I
don't
know
if
we've
mentioned
it
before
at
ca,
but
I
think
without
a
lot
of
care
and
attention
to
it,
and
and
again
we
do
have
to
work
out
the
details,
but
I
think
it's
obvious
that
it
needs
some
kind
of
attention,
because
we
eliminated
a
lot
of
boards
and
committees
and
consolidated
in
this
in
this
new
format-
and
you
know
it
barely
got
off
the
ground
before
it
all
kind
of
shut
down
and
hasn't
really
researched
since,
except
for
you
know
a
couple
of
the
commission's
meeting
on
their
own.
O
So
I
think
it's
important.
I'm
really
glad
you
came
up
with
this.
With
regard
to
the
in
the
relation
to
the
events
coordinator,
I
agree
that
the
skill
set
is
totally
different
and
we
actually
do
have
so.
You
know
joanne
told
us
that
that
one
of
her
planners
was
spending
75
of
her
time
doing
event
coordination.
So
we
already
have
a
sense
of
how
much
time
that
could
take,
and
that's
someone
who
you
know
is
ostensibly
supposed
to
be
dealing
with
very
different
work.
B
Yeah,
the
the
flip
side
to
what
you
said
also
doug,
is
the
the
committee
could
also
take
a
look
at
the
actual
commissions
we
have
talked
about.
Did
they
need
a
rebalance?
Did
we
choose
the
right
topics?
It
was
for
too
many.
What
I
don't
know.
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
squared
away
before
you
make
any
any
particular
decision
about
that.
You
know
or
the
other.
B
Without
that
person,
I'm
I'm
not
sure
the
commissions
will
survive,
and
so
that's
another
direction
you
could
go
is
just
get
rid
of
them,
which
is,
which
is
something
else
to
be
discussed
by
that
council
later
on
in
the
future.
So
rob
go
ahead.
P
Oh
yeah,
thanks
george,
I
appreciate
the
creativity
that
it's
gonna
take
to
get
this
this
done
tonight,
but
I
will
agree
with
deb
and
doc
that
I
you
know
two
half-time
positions
might
be
the
way
to
solve
that,
but
there
we
really
do
want
to
keep
this
separate.
P
These
are
two
different
skill
sets
and
to
deb's
point
both
it's
both
from
joanne
but
also
from
julie
to
you
know
the
we
have
such
a
pent
up
demand
around
making
sure
the
city's
resources
are
carefully
managed
around
events
that
we
really
need
someone
to
pay
attention
to
this,
and-
and
we
haven't
really
seen
the
the
impact
yet
of
the
state-
the
changing
state
rules
around
mass
gatherings
and
the
impact
that's
going
to
have,
and
we
really
need
someone
to
be
paying
attention
to
that.
P
So
I
I'm
going
to
you
know,
advocate
for
a
full-time
events,
coordinator
role
and
to
dev's
point
about
the
the
you
know.
It's
not
only
commissions
too
that
we
need
to
keep
an
eye
on,
but
there's
a
larger
set
of
volunteers
across
boards
and
committees
and
other
activities.
Maybe
we
haven't
even
even
thought
about
yet
that
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
do
a
good
job
of
engaging
the
citizenry
around
and
you
know
one
other
thing
too
deb
we
haven't.
P
We
haven't
really
brought
this
up,
but
your
point
about
you
know:
is
it
time
to
be
thinking
about
a
rebalancing
of
the
commissions
or
a
need
for
them?
The
way
they've
been
structured,
you
know.
One
thing
we
did
in
creating
four
at
the
time
was
try
to
address
how
we
were
collapsing
a
whole
bunch
of
other
boards
and
committees
into
this
commission
structure
and
some
of
those
activities
that
everyone
thought
were
really
important.
P
We
had
to
accommodate,
maybe
haven't
been
missed
as
much
as
we
thought,
and
so
we
might
have
to
look
at
at
where
we,
where
we
went
in
that
direction
and
if
that
has
an
impact
on
the
number
or
the
balance
of
how
the
clinicians
act
so
yeah.
I
think
that's
a
good
point.
B
Nope,
okay,
are
we
ready
to
start
getting
down
to?
What
did
the
mayor?
Call
it
vodarama
all
right.
So,
let's
see
if
we
just
for
reminder
for
everyone,
how
this,
how
this
process
kind
of
goes
is
so
what
we,
what
we
have
to
do
is
actually
make
formal
amendments
to
the
mayor's
budget.
So,
in
order
to
do
that,
what
we
will
need
is
someone
to
move
the
budget
and
then
we'll
need
a
second
on
the
budget,
and
then
we
can
basically
start
amending
it.
B
I
think
faith
and
scott
and
steve
are
going
to
do
their
best
to
try
to
help
me
take
notes
on
who
does
what
and
what
we
decide,
because
this
does
get
kind
of
crazy
and
confusing,
but
I
think
we
we
do
kind
of
have
it
down
to
a
signs
where
everybody
understands.
So
what
we'll
do
is
someone
will
move
and
second
it
and
then
I'm
going
to
go
down
the
items
on
the
list
and
I
will
tackle
them
in
the
order
of
how
they
were
sorted.
B
So
what
council
did
between
last
night
and
today
just
for
full
transparency
for
the
public
sort
of
flagged,
what
their
preferences
were
or
the
things
that
they
would
support
more
strongly
and
that'll
just
allow
us
to
help
pick
a
starting
point
for
where
we
vote.
So
when
we
start
going
down
how
we
might
want
to
make
amendments
we'll
start
at
the
top
of
the
list
in
the
way
that
it
was
sorted
through
that
process
that
council
went
through
and
we
will
ask
for
someone
to
move
something
on
the
list.
B
So
you
know
try
to
just
ask
whatever
really
necessary
information
or
questions
are
you
need
for
discussion,
but
we'll
probably
try
to
move
to
vote
fairly
quickly
after
it's
seconded
and
once
we
get
to
the
end
of
the
list,
anyone
can
certainly
make
additional
modifications
or
recommendations,
and
then
hopefully,
if
we
get
through
the
whole
list
today-
and
everybody
has
made
all
of
the
amendments
and
changes
that
they
want
and
they've
all
been
voted
on.
We
just
essentially
need
to
vote
to
send
the
full
budget
onto
council
and
that'll
be
the
end
of
our
process.
L
Just
a
question
about
kind
of
the
list
as
it's
developed,
I
can't
remember
how
we
did
it
last
year,
but
when
we
were
in
person
we
could
see
the
list
as
it
was
voted
on
and
we
could
look
at
the
tax
change
so.
L
Well,
maybe
not
after
every
one,
but
at
some
stage
I
think
that
would
be
helpful.
I
can't
remember
how
we
did
it
last
year,
but
it's
useful
to
see
that
as
we
make
these
decisions,
what
the
impact
is
on
the
tax
rate.
I
think.
B
Sure
I
know
I
did
send
the
version
that
cynthia
created
thank
you,
cynthia,
adding
the
art
the
arpa
column.
So
if
you
want
to
play
along
at
home,
you
can
open
that
document
and
enter
everything
into
the
column,
and
that
will
give
you
a
good
idea
of
what
it
is.
But
if
anyone
at
any
point
wants
to
say,
can
I
see
the
list,
I
can
try
to
keep
track
of
it
here
and
share
my
screen.
Does
that
sound
good.
L
B
B
B
B
B
B
Okay,
so
I
think
we're
ready
to
start.
Does
someone
want
to
move
the
overall
budget,
so
we
can
start
amending
it.
Graham.
B
All
right,
so
what
I'm
gonna
do
is
go
through
these
in
the
order
of
kind
of
that
ranking
system
that
we
put
in
place.
So
the
one
that
we
will
start
with
is
the
request
from
the
youth
bureau
for
the
cass
park
pool
repair.
B
B
N
B
So
that's
been
moved
and
seconded.
Does
anyone
need
any
additional
discussion?
G
So,
just
just
to
make
sure
we
do
this
the
way
everybody
wants
we're
moving
this
from
the
ramb
part
of
it
and
we're
also
taking
part
of
it
out
of
the
mayor's
budget,
and
I
realize
it's
a
capital
project
so
does
that
affect
the
tax
rate
at
all.
N
That's
correct
any
borrowing,
that's
done
as
a
result
of
the
budget
doesn't
impact
the
budget
until
the
next
year,
so
23
would
be
the
first
impact
of
any
borrowing
that
we
do
for
the
budget
and
additionally,
it
would
only
be
interest
for
that
particular
year,
so
first
its
interest
and
then
its
interest
in
principle
the
following
year.
So
that's
how
borrowing
works
for
us.
B
L
Yeah
and
I
put
that
into
recurring.
B
F
Laura
yeah,
but
I
have
a
question:
I'm
not
sure
this
is
the
right
place
to
ask
this,
but
to
your
point
about
having
a
working
group
to
work
on
this,
would
we
want
to
say
that
this
would
be
a
position
that
would
start
june
1
or
something
like
that,
rather
than
committing
it
to
starting
january
2022?.
F
I
just
picked
january
june
rather,
but
you
might
have
a
different
idea.
B
B
G
P
Question
and
maybe
for
steve
if
we
backed
the,
if
you
assume
that
the
benefits
are
in
this,
the
fringe,
if
we
back
that
out,
what
would
the
salary
be.
N
What
I
would
suggest
is
that
you
just
put
a
number
into
restricted
contingency,
and
then
you
can
work
out
all
the
details
and
the
money
would
be
there
and
then
you
can
come
back
to
council
at
some
point
and
say
this
is
what
the
group
has
decided
and
the
position
is
going
to
be
x
and
it's
going
to
be.
You
know
for
so
whatever
it
is
after
it's
valued
by
hr,
and
then
I
I
think
that's
your
best
bet
right
now
without
knowing
exactly
what
the
position
is
and
entails
and
would
be
graded.
N
So
I
would
just
suggest
some
number:
whatever
you
decide
in
restricted
contingency
and
then
you
can
come
back
and
and
you
can
work
all
the
details
out
at
that
time.
P
B
So
if
that's
helpful
to
anyone
at
all,
so
that's
I
think
when
I,
when
I
made
it
60,
I
was
just
taking
a
guess
at
a
salary
kind
of
close
to
that
with
benefits
added
on
top
of
that,
assuming
it
wouldn't
start
january
1..
That
was
where
that
number
came
from,
but
I
I
think
to
george's
point:
if
we're
trying
to
support
a
number
of
different
things,
I
don't
think
it
will
hurt
this
by
lowering
the
by
lowering
that
amount.
L
L
So
if
we,
if
we
lowered
this
to
40,
we
could
definitely,
I
think
we
could
be
pretty
confident
that
we
could
cover
this
for
for
six
months,
so
I'll
maybe
amend
my
motion
to
change
this
to
lower
it
to
forty
thousand.
B
All
right,
I
changed
that
on
the
list,
any
other
questions
on
this
and
then
just
a
note
that
this
would
go
as
steve
mentioned
interest
restricted
contingency
pending
the
work
of
whatever
group
comes
up
with
this,
the
faith
I'm
putting
you
in
charge
of
coming
up
with
whatever
this
will
look
like
and
whoever
you
need
in
order
to
help
with
that,
I'm
pretty
sure
rob
would
be
interested
and
I'm
pretty
sure
if
the
new
fifth
ward
person
ends
up
being
the
other
rob,
then
you
might
have
some
additional
support
for
doing
that.
Work.
B
L
I
am
and
put
that
into
recurring.
B
B
B
B
B
B
B
P
Yeah-
and
I
think
you
may
remember
that
council
created
or
added
a
liaison
position
to
the
special
events
committee
two
years
ago,
right
before
right
before
kovitz
shut
everything
down
and
one
of
the
reasons
was.
P
We
had
a
lot
of
concerns
about
the
resources
that
the
city
had
had
was
about
to
be
asked
to
apply
to
events
and
events
being
such
a
big
part
of
the
fabric
of
of
the
city
that
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
we
were
paying
attention
to
those
needs,
and
some
of
those
things,
as
joanne
expressed
in
our
last
meeting,
require
a
lot
of
effort
on
the
part
of
the
city
and
and
the
burden
of
this
has
been
falling
to
her
department
in
issuing
permits
for
a
variety
of
types
of
events
to
ensure
that
they
have
met
all
the
needs.
P
They're
being
safe,
they're
planned
well
and
there's
a
lot
of
expertise
that
is
developed
and
and
when
it's
distributed
so
something's
happening
in
planning,
something's
happening
out
of
the
clerk's
office.
It's
been
tricky
and
julie
has
done
a
great
job
of
bringing
together.
P
I
I
think
some
of
the
the
staff
colleagues
might
be
able
to
talk
about
this
as
well,
bringing
together
and
coordinating
the
resources
in
the
city
that
are
needed
to
make
sure
events
go
off
well
and
they're
safe
and
we're
doing
all
the
things
that
we
need
to
as
a
city
to
protect
the
city
and
its.
P
And
the
property
down
there
and
mostly
downtown
so
so
for
all
of
those
reasons
having
someone
who
can
develop
expertise
and
and
make
sure
that
the
city
is
pulling
all
of
its
resources
together
effectively
and
efficiently,
is
the
reason
why
this
position
was
proposed
and
why
it's
being
proposed
as
a
full-time
position
with
this
particular
edition.
So
you
know
there's
just
to
be
clear.
P
This
is
not
necessarily
a
position
that
will
run
events,
for
example,
dia
still
runs
all
of
their
events,
but
they
have
to
get
permissions
and
permits
and
coordinate
with
the
resources
of
the
city
to
pull
off
those
events,
and
this
is
the
position
that
does
that
from
the
city
side.
B
I
think
to
just
supplement
also
a
little
bit
what
rob
said.
The
state
changed
the
requirements
for
large-scale
events
pretty
significantly
right
before
the
pandemic,
and
that
needs
an
incredible
amount
of
navigation
from
whoever,
and
I
think
a
lot
of
the
events
that
we've
had
here.
Porch
fest
is
a
great
example
that,
unfortunately,
the
demise
of
porch
fest
was
not
kovid
really
at
all.
It
was
that
it
was
so
complicated
to
figure
out
the
new
mandated
reporting
mandated
emergency
plans
mandated
security
protocols
mandated
active
shooter
protocols.
B
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
there's
a
litany
of
things
that
are
now
required
by
the
state
that
we
really
need
someone
to
assist
organizers
in
working
through
all
of
those
pieces,
and
it
was
falling
to
julie.
I
think-
and
that
was
tough
for
her
for
sure
so
and
if
you're
looking
for
the
benefit
to
it,
is
we
certainly
these
festivals?
What
love
them
or
hate
them?
They
increase.
They
bring
traffic
through
the
city.
P
And
I'll
I'll
add
this,
I
think,
was
brought
up
in
our
conversation
about
this,
with
both
joanne
and
julie.
The
there
are
other
things
that
we
don't
even
recognize
that
that
may
fall
under
this
permitting
for
for
use
in
the
city,
such
as
we
have
a.
P
We
have
a
policy
that
requires
that
anyone
being
on
a
film
or
media
shoot
on
public
property,
so
street
sidewalk
park
requires
a
permit
from
the
city,
and
sometimes
those
requests
require
things
like
a
police,
at
least
the
police
review
or
fire
department,
or
could
be
dpw.
There's
a
variety
of
ways
so
so
again
having
a
good,
solid
process
for
these
things
really
helps
manage
the
the
city's
resources
around
that.
P
I
I
That's
we
don't
really
know
that
it
hasn't
been
documented
and
now
we're
about
to
spend
even
more
money
to
manage
these
things,
and
we
don't
really
know
how
much
money
they
are
allegedly
bringing
in-
and
I've
said
this
before-
and
this
is
my
last
chance
to
say
it,
because
I'm
not
coming
to
public
comment
next
year
to
say
it.
G
G
There
are
a
lot
of
departments
in
the
city
that
are
woefully
understaffed,
and
one
thing
we
know
about
special
events
is
that
they
require
more
work
by
public
safety.
They
require
more
work
by
department
of
public
works,
so
I
would
be
a
lot
more
comfortable
if
we
kept
this
at
a
half
time
position
this
year
and
and
found
out
whether
we
can
manage
with
that
much
extra
staff
or
not.
I,
I
guess
I
I
don't
support
turning
this
into
a
full-time
position
this
year.
G
Until
we
know
more
about
whether
a
half
time
is
good
enough.
O
I
knew
donna
would
bring
up
this
question
the
economic
value
of
these
events-
and
I
agree
we
should
get
data
on
that,
but
I'm
glad
that
brought
up
porsche
fest,
because
the
events
I
think
that
are
most
viable
to
this
community-
that
have
a
culture
impact,
are
not
necessarily
known
as
money
makers,
but
porch
fest,
being
chief
among
them
were
the
ithaca
festival
parade
the
parade
itself
brings
in
nothing
but
requires
enormous
amounts
of
coordination
and
shutting
down
streets.
O
Massive
protests-
or
you
know,
justice
events
like
the
women's
march
and
the
various
black
lives
matter
marches.
Those
are
the
ones
I
primarily
want
to
support.
I
think
the
I
enjoy
apple
fest
too,
but
that
is
a
it's
very
clearly
an
economic
event,
because
the
dia
puts
so
much
effort
into
it.
I'm
really
focused
on
on
the
other
ones,
and
so
that's
why
I
will
be
supporting
a
full-time
position.
Q
Q
I
loved
jazz
and
music
as
a
kid,
and
my
brother
is
now
here
for
the
first
time
and
he's
got
no
idea
what
that's
looks
like
and
I
think
it
is
a
valuable
part
of
the
community
to
have
someone
dedicated
to
making
sure
we
have
events
that
build
community
and
remind
people
why
we're
advocates.
So
I'm
very
much
in
support
of
a
full-time
position
for
this.
B
H
I
also
support
this
being
a
full-time
position.
I
think
this
is
long
overdue.
I
think
one
of
the
first
things
I
did
on
council
was
to
work
on
a
working
group
to
address
special
events.
You
know
that
being
said.
H
Well,
I
agree
with
what
is
being
said
that
what
we
can
do
to
create
a
sense
of
community
and
support
this
sense
of
community.
What
makes
ithaca
unique
is
is
really
special
and
and
from
this
cultural
standpoint,
I
I
think
this
is
definitely
deserved,
focused
attention.
H
Incredible
amount
of
city
staff
across
almost
all
departments-
and
I
think,
is
becoming
harder
and
harder
to
contain
in
terms
of
cost
in
terms
of
time,
in
terms
of
coordination
that
it
might
be
useful,
as
this
position
goes
forward
to
start
figuring
out
how
we
can
create
sort
of
a
la
carte
package,
events
that
are
smaller
more
quickly
manageable,
easy
to
manage
sort
of
like
well.
H
If
you
want
to
do
this
size,
this
is
what
it's
going
to
take
to
try
to
contain
just
how
much
time
and
energy
goes
into
creating
a
unique
event
for
each
occurrence
and
then,
of
course,
every
year
that
gets
modified
and
it's
bigger
and
and
more
out
of
control.
So
I
do
think
this
is
a
full-time
position.
H
I
would
love
to
see
our
permits
and
other
whether
or
not
it's
sidewalk
vending
food
vendors
other
permit
processes
may
be
folded
in,
because
I
do
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
there,
but
also
see
how
we
can
compartmentalize
it
and
and
contain
it
a
little
bit.
H
So
it
might
be
good
just
to
keep
track
and
then
away
from
this
meeting.
Look
at
the
mechanisms
within
the
spreadsheet
because
there's
something
wrong
within
the
original
spreadsheet
too,
and
I
think
I
I
saw
a
nod
from
steve
there
that
if
you
just
add
the
41
000
for
this
events
coordinator
the
levy
bumps
three
percent,
which
I
don't
think
is
even
possible
directly
from
the
number
he
texted
me.
B
B
H
It
shouldn't
have
done
that,
but
let's
keep
track
and
recognize
that
the
tax
levy
increase
might
be
off,
because
I
don't
see
how
a
41
thousand
dollar
edition
creates
a
three
percent
change
in
the
levy.
That's
just
so.
B
B
L
P
D
N
Yeah,
no,
it
does
that's
correct,
it
does
move
it
from
because
what
in
the
budget
was
part
of
the
year,
so
this
takes
it
for
a
full
year.
Sorry
about
that.
B
F
F
I
think
there
is
a
real
need
for
additional
code
inspectors,
so,
even
though
it
will
be
challenging
to
recruit
and
hire
someone,
we
may
not
use
all
of
the
funds
if
this
was
moved
to
start
in
say
january,
but
I
think
this
is
such
an
important
position.
B
But
if
we
intend
for
this
to
be
a
position
that
is
a
fully
funded
in
perpetuity,
then
it's
more
complicated
for
steve
to
then
try
to
figure
out
how
to
find
the
gap
to
fill
that
position
for
the
full
12
months
for
the
following
year.
So
fun
filling
it
for
the
full
year
allows
it
to
exist
as
a
full-time
job
in
future
budgets.
That's
just
a
note.
B
F
N
So
that's
just
about
80
000,
total
salary
and
benefit
position
for
the
year.
I
I
think
this
is
really
important
and,
as
I
said
before,
it
conforms
with
so
many
other
goals
that
we're
working
towards.
I
have,
I
think
that
joanne
said
that
they
already
are
trying
to
fill
two
other
positions
and
not
having
much
luck.
B
N
Yeah,
I
mean
certainly
any
position
that
you
put
in
the
budget.
If
you
know
we're
only
going
to
spend
whatever
we
can
out
of
it
depending
on
when
we
can
hire.
I
can
tell
you
just
about
every
single
department
and
it's
obviously
not
just
the
city,
but
it's
pretty
much
nationwide
is
having
trouble
filling
positions
at
this
point.
So
yeah
it's
a
difficult
situation,
but
I
I
know
I
mean
if,
if
it
is
approved,
if
you
know
for
the
full
year
they
could
start
the
process.
L
Thanks
yeah,
I'm
looking
at
the
list
and-
and
I
I
am
sympathetic
I
mean
I
agree
with
laura.
This
is
a
critical
position
and
at
the
risk
of
burdening
you
for
the
next
budget,
stigma
steve.
I
think
I'm
going
to
say
that
it's
unrealistic
with
these
gaps
and
positions
that
this
could
be
starting
january.
1
and
I'm
looking
to
you
know,
fund
some
other
things
on
this
list
as
well.
So
I
I
I'm
not
convinced
that
we
need
to
have
this
start
january
1,
so
I'm
going
to
not
support
this.
B
H
As
liaison
to
the
workforce
diversity
advisory
committee,
I
do
have
an
opportunity
to
sit
on
a
lot
of
job
interviews.
I
have
been
in
interviews
for
this
position.
I
think
it
has
been
going
well,
so
I
I
would
support
leaving
it
as
a
full-time,
and
perhaps
if
we
aren't
voting
this
out
tonight,
which
perhaps
might
not
happen.
If
this
comes
back
next
week,
we
could
modify
it.
Then,
after
we
hear
from
staff
what
they
would
like
to
us
to
do,
if
they
feel
optimistic
that
they
could
fill
this
january
1st.
B
B
B
I
see
four
opposed
so
that
passes
six
to
four
right
to
council
is
next.
Does
someone
want
to
move
that
lara?
Is
there
a
second
seth.
B
H
There
was
no
source
of
funds
designated
in
the
motion.
I
do
see
the
crisis
around
the
eviction
court
being
associated
with
covid.
I
think
it
would
be
a
reasonable
use
of
arpa
funds.
H
I
think
looking
at
what's
happening
this
year
or
next
year,
I
should
say
as
an
opportunity
to
build
a
better
understanding
of
the
need.
You
know.
If
that
need
may
be
perceived
to
be
lessened
in
2023,
then
we
could
bring
it
back
or
whatever
the
need
is
estimated
to
be
for
2023,
but
I
think
for
2022.
B
So
laura
I'm
sorry,
I
made
the
assumption
when
you
moved
it,
you
wanted
it
in
recurring,
because
that's
what
you
had
mentioned
when
when
we
talked
about
it
earlier,
so
I
guess,
can
you
clarify
that
when
you
moved
it,
you
meant
for
it
to
be
in
recurring?
B
Q
It
seems
like
a
recurring
expense.
I
guess
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
me
if
this
is
something
even
if
it's
a
trial
run
that
we
intend
to
continue
after
a
shower
run,
that
we
would
take
out
of
the
arpa
fund,
which
I
guess,
in
my
mind,
is
for
more
permanent
projects
like
the
cass
park,
pool
repair
that
we
just
voted
for.
So
I
would
be
in
support
of
this.
P
So
yeah
I'll
add
my
support
to
this.
I
I
do
think
it's
important
to
recognize
that
there
probably
is
an
ongoing
need
with
if
we
so.
Therefore,
I
think
it
is
something
that
we
should
budget
for,
rather
than
kick
the
can
down
the
road.
I
I
understand
cynthia's
point
that
we
could
spend
a
year
figuring
out
how
much
of
a
load.
This
really
is,
but
then
we'd
be
in
this
budget
position
next
year
to
want
to
continue
it
and
we
wouldn't
have
built
it
in.
P
The
second
question
I
have,
though,
is:
are
we
using
the
recurring
column
correctly
here,
because
I
think,
if
we're
trying
to
we
shouldn't
subtract
out
anything
right,
we
shouldn't
add
things
to
the
recurring
column.
If
it's
a
true
expense
that
should
go
to
the
net,
but
steve
would
know
better.
I'm
just
asking
a
question.
B
B
Revenue
assumes
that
you're
bringing
something
in
I
think
all
that
is
intended
is
to
say,
are
you
borrowing?
Are
you
putting
it
in?
You
know,
are
you
but
putting
it
in
operating
or
are
you
taking
it
out
of
the
fund?
Balance
basically,
is
what
those
three
columns
mean
and
we
tried
to
add
an
arpa
column.
So
right
now,
I'm
putting
arpa
and
borrow
in
the
borrow
column
and.
D
B
D
B
Steve's,
on
top
of
it,
I
have
faith
I
had
after
rob.
I
had
donna
and
then
graham.
I
I
N
Yeah,
it
is
actually
it
it
can
fit
into
a
couple
of
the
categories,
but
under
negative
economic
impacts.
Eviction
prevention
is
in
there.
So
that's
kind
of
well.
Okay,.
I
N
Could
fit
so
yeah
it
could
be,
it
could
go
either
way.
Certainly
then,
it's
totally
up
to
I.
I
should
say
that
there
is
some
new
developments
in
the
arpa
funding
that
there's
some
new
flexibility
trying
to
be
passed,
and
I
think
it
passed
the
senate,
where
they're
looking
to
make
it
a
little
more
flexible
for
the
governments
to
use
this
money.
N
Use
of
the
funds
and
also
more
general
government
services,
because
when
this
came
out
it
was
so
restrictive.
I
think
a
lot
of
governments
said
hey
look.
We
need
a
little
more
flexibility,
so
there
is,
there
is
legislation
working
its
way
through
and
I
don't
know
if
it
will
fully
pass,
but
it
seems
like
it's
headed
in
that
direction.
That
will
give
us
a
little
more
flexibility.
N
So
I
guess
what
I
would
you
know
that
there's
another
reason
why
you
want
to
be
just
cautious
and
plan
this
plan
to
use
these
funds
cautiously,
and
you
know
maybe
not
use
them
all
at
once
so,
but
just
to
let
you
know
that.
L
Yeah,
thank
you
deb
yeah.
As
I
said
previously,
I
I
think
this
is
a
really
good
idea.
I
can
see
it
benefit
this
program,
but
again
I'm
trying
to
minimize
the
tax
increases,
for
you
know,
city
residents,
and
given
that
this
is
a
new
program
and
that,
as
as
you
said,
lori
are
collecting
data.
We
don't
really
know
whether
it's
one
and
a
half
lawyers,
or
whether
two
lawyers
are
needed
or
whether
it's
one
I'd
be
comfortable.
L
If
this
were
at
this
level
put
into
the
upper
funding
for
next
year,
if.
L
I
I
would
only
support
a
lower
level
than
the
125
that's
requested,
so
you
know
I
think,
as
currently
proposed.
I
won't
support
this,
but
I
do
support
some
level
of
funding
for
this
either
through
arpa
at
the
full
amount
or
through
recurring
at
you
know,
maybe
something
like
a
hundred
thousand
or
something
like
that.
G
G
B
F
If
colleagues
are
more
comfortable
with
this
coming
from
arpa
funds
right
now,
I
hear
steve's
comment
about
wanting
to
be
cautious
with
committing
arpa
funds.
But
if
my
colleagues
are
more
comfortable
in
voting
in
favor
of
this,
if
it's
built
into
arpa,
then
I
think
that's
what
we
should
do.
B
F
I
guess
my
question
is:
if
we
vote
on
it
right
now
as
recurring,
and
it
does
not
pass,
can
I
tonight
change
that
to
funds
coming
from
arpo
because
it
sounds
like
some
colleagues,
I
think
graham
said
this
would
support
it.
If
it's
from
arpa,
I
just
don't,
I
haven't
heard
what
others
think
so.
Could
we
have
two
votes
on
this
yeah.
B
I
mean
five
seconds
after.
If
it
doesn't
pass,
then
you
can
say
okay,
then
I
want
to
move
it
coming
from
arpa.
You
can
do
that,
so
you
want
to
leave
it
where
it
is.
Take
a
vote.
Yes,
seth
as
the
seconder.
Is
that
your
intent
as
well?
Okay,
so
right
now
we're
voting
on
the
125
coming
out
of
recurring.
B
B
B
B
Any
questions
on
this
we
heard
a
little
bit
about
this
from
g
act.
The
other
night,
you
ready
to
vote
all
those
in
favor.
B
B
F
Yeah,
I
think
the
case
was
made
pretty
persuasively
at
least
to
me
that
there
are
hidden
costs
to
not
having
this
supervisor
custodial
worker
for
giac
and
the
hidden
costs
are
that
other
staff
have
to
show
up
and
cover
the
supervisory
role.
So
I
think
this
makes
sense
from
an
organizational
standpoint
for
g
and
and
for
their
staff
as
a
whole.
So
that's
why
I
support
this.
B
L
Yeah,
I
have
a
question.
I'm
sure,
could
we
possibly
vote
on
the
tcap
target
fund,
because
I'm
assuming
that
would
actually
affect
the
tax
rate
in
terms
of
if
we
pass
that
we're
taking
32
000
off
of
the
tax
rate.
B
B
Just
writing
my
notes
here.
Okay,
next
item
down
was
the
transportation.
I'm
sorry,
this
still
says
director,
I
think
that's
engineer
not
director
is
that
is
that
right.
B
B
B
B
D
G
F
Thanks
deb,
like
george,
I
think
these
are
always
really
difficult.
Decisions
to
make
we
did
revise
or
the
engineering
department
did
revise
a
position
so
that
an
individual
is
now
the
director
of
transportation
and
parking
and
we
hired
another
gosh.
And
now
I'm
not
going
to
remember
aaron
cudahy's
full
title,
but
she
is
an
engineer
in
the
department.
F
F
And
so
shifting
around
the
limited
resources,
I
would
find
it.
F
In
in
better
stead
to
be
supporting
a
stormwater
engineer-
and
that's
not
just
because
my
sump
pump
has
been
running
for
48
hours,
but
that
is
true
too,
I
think
you
know
we're
going
to
be
seeing
more
weather
events,
more
water
events
and
floods.
So
I
I
would
reluctantly
not
support
this
current
ram.
P
Just
the
clarity
on
that,
so
this,
I
believe,
was
the
request
from
dpw's
engineering
group
and
it
was
their
first
priority
to
add
to
retain
this
position
so
laura.
Were
you
suggesting
that
there's
another
position
that
is
competing
against
it,
or
is
that
one?
That's
already
in
the
budget.
F
No,
I
don't
think
there's
another
position
existing
that
is
competing
against
this,
but
there
is
some
thought,
perhaps
in
that
direction.
Looking
at
the
overall
needs
and
the
skills
of
of
staff.
Could
the
skills
of
this
assistant
transportation
engineer
now
be
adequately
covered
by
eric
hathaway
and
aaron
cudahy.
The
two
who
are
in
eric's
position
has
been
revised
so
that
he's
the
director
of
transportation
and
parking.
P
H
I'm
not
sure,
but
my
understanding
is
when
scott
gibson
was
promoted.
He
was
our
stormwater
engineer
and
then
it
was
back
filled
with
matt
slageski
and
I
think
we
already
have
that
position
funded,
and
so
it
might
be
filling
an
open
position.
If,
if
we
haven't
already-
and
I
would
like
to
say
that
storm
water
engineering
comes
out
of
the
storm
water
fund,
it
doesn't
actually
come
out
of
the
general
fund.
H
So
I
it
makes
sense
to
me
to
think
about
the
transportation
engineer
independent
from
the
stormwater
engineer.
I
think
it's
an
entirely
different
pool
of
funds
and
doesn't
necessarily
cross
over
one
impacting
the
other.
C
Yeah
so,
and
so
that's
what
apologies
I
I
couldn't
unmute
for
some
reason,
thanks
scott
for
kicking
me
out
and
letting
me
back
in
so
that
was
oh!
Thank
you
deb.
So,
yes,
as
mike,
was
trying
to
stick
under
four
percent
the
guidelines.
He
was
really
faced
with
a
choice.
C
Do
I
add
this
new
stormwater
position
or
do
I
retain
the
assistant
transportation
engineer
position
and
he
felt
that,
given
the
balance
of
the
needs
in
the
city,
it
would
be
better
to
bring
in
the
stormwater
engineer
and
to
replace
some
of
the
lost
capabilities
from
the
the
lost
positions
over
the
last
two
years
with
seasonals,
part-time
and
full-time
position.
So
that's
why
the
ram
you
know
rob
pointed
out
quite
acutely.
Q
Yeah,
I
I
guess
two
things.
My
first
was
I
I'm
looking
at
the
ram
that,
but
thankfully
donald
just
forwarded
to
me,
I'm
looking
at
it
and
the
number
says
that
they
request
is
50
is
almost
54
000,
at
least
the
number
in
my
spreadsheet,
and
maybe
because
it's
wrong
is
97
000..
Was
there
something
I
missed
in
it
being
almost
doubled.
Q
Okay,
perfect,
then
I
guess
the
second
thing
of
that
is,
if,
if
council
were
to
say
no
to
this,
this
employee
who
went
on
a
sabbatical
is
gonna.
Come
back
on
december
16th
be
given
his
two
days
notice
and
basically
fired
it.
They're
let
go
by
jan
1..
C
Yeah
well
sort
of
if
council
makes
this
choice
I'll
work
with
human
resources
in
the
attorney's
office
to
come
up
with
a
basically
a
settlement
agreement
that
works
to
for
the
employee
would
allow
them
to
access
benefits
post
severance
and
could
help
them
on
their
way
to
find
a
new
position
elsewhere.
I
I
I
don't
quite
understand,
what's
going
on
here,
to
be
given
a
leave
of
absence
for
a
fulbright
and
then
to
be
laid
off.
C
Yeah,
I
I
don't
think
this
is
about
the
employee
in
particular,
it's
about
what's
needed
for
dpw
at
this
moment
in
the
city
sister,
and
I'm
I'm
doing
I'm
putting
on
my
my
superintendent
thornhat.
So
I'm
hoping
I'm
doing
a
good,
I'm
channeling
him
well,
but
between
the
advanced
capabilities
we
brought
on
by
hiring
eric
and
aaron,
creating
those
positions
and
putting
them
in
charge
of
our
transportation
system
and
the
combined
functionality
of
luis
and
his
sustainability
work
were
the
biggest
gaps
we
have
now
in.
Q
Yeah,
I
would
just
echo
I
I
fully
hear
with
with
the
mayor,
is
saying
what
dpw
is
looking
towards,
but
I
guess
I
would
echo
donald's
concerns
of
at
least
my
understanding
is.
If
you
take
some
sort
of
sabbatical
you,
you
know
for
something,
and
I'm
like
I'm
reading
this
more
for
something
like
a
four
right
scholarship.
The
intent
is,
you
have
you
know
your
job
when
you
come
back,
it
seems
a
little
crazy.
Q
I
don't
know
what
an
alternative
would
look
like
if
he's
an
engineer
not
be
able
to
work
with
whatever
the
new
direction
of
dpw
may
be,
but
it
seems
I
don't
know
the
whole
the
whole
scenario
of
sort
of
taking
a
sabbatical
to
come
back
and
immediately
be
laid
off,
even
if
it's
in
the
sort
of
idea
of
the
city
is
shifting
in
that
past
year.
B
B
Yeah
I'm
suggesting
we
just
table
it
don't
address
it
tonight,
give
the
mayor
and
whatever
internal
staff,
an
opportunity
to
talk
through
some
of
the
issues
that
we
raise
tonight
and
I'm
concerned
we're
getting
into
a
personnel
conversation
on
the
floor,
which
I
don't
think
is
the
intent
of
of
this
being
added
to
the
list
tonight.
So
I'm
not
suggesting
we
delete
it.
I'm
suggesting
we
give
staff
some
additional
opportunity
to
potentially
work
through
this.
C
And
I
so
thank
you
I
will.
I
will
pull
mike
in
and
we'll
have
a
discussion
and
I'll
make
sure
that
mike
is
and
dpw
staff.
Are
there
wednesday.
B
Okay,
great-
and
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
if
there
is
any
particular
kind
of
internal
resolution,
maybe
you
can
just
email
that
around
to
counsel
as
well.
B
Okay,
great
all
right,
so
we
are
next
at
supporting
the
library
remaining
open
on
sunday.
Does
someone
want
to
move
that
and
when
you
move
it
remember
to
say
where
it's
coming
from
lara.
F
Kids
in
particular
need
the
library
to
be
open,
so
they
can
do
their
work
on
the
weekends
so
that
family
members
have
opportunity
to
use
in
everyone.
I
use
the
library
regularly
and
the
point
that
was
made
is
that
the
number
of
patrons
using
the
library
is
significant
and
sunday
hours.
F
Also
bring
people
into
our
downtown
area,
which
I
also
really
support,
so
the
number
of
teens
the
number
of
people
in
our
community,
not
just
in
our
city,
but
people
who
drive
into
the
city
to
make
use
of
the
library,
some
of
whom
are
working
during
the
week
and
so
having
the
library
open
on
the
weekends,
is
really
important.
Q
G
G
I'll
just
point
out:
it
is
the
tompkins
county,
public
library
and
the
county
should
be
paying
this
fifteen
thousand
dollars
to
keep
it
open
on
sunday
and
it's
not
the
city's
responsibility
to
pay
for
the
tompkins
county
public
library.
I
I'm
sorry,
but
I'm
thinking,
I'm
agreeing
with
george,
it's
a
very
important
function,
the
county.
It's
the
county's
library,
the
city
city,
taxpayers,
pay
the
bulk
of
county
taxes.
The
county
got
its
own
arp
of
funding.
It
could
have
used
for
this
and
we're
not
charging
people
outside
the
city
to
use
stuart
park
and
cass
park
if
they
gave
us
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
stuart
park
and
cass
park.
B
P
And
you
can
add
me
to
that
group.
I
agree
with
george
and
donna.
I
I
also
agree
with
my
colleagues
that
library
is
important.
It's
important
to
have
open
on
sunday,
but
the
topkins
county
public
library
can
be
funded
by
tompkins
county
for
another
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
I
think
that's
a
reasonable
ask.
A
So
why
so?
I
suspect
that
it
wasn't
the
county
that
came
to
us.
It
was
the
library
that
came
to
us
to
ask
for
the
15
000
correct,
so
why?
Why
did
the
library
come
to
us
ask
for
fifteen
thousand
dollars?
I
mean
they
are
funded
by
the
county.
Was
there
did
they
just
have
a
gap
and
they
felt
like?
Well,
they,
the
county,
wasn't
gonna,
provide
it
to
them,
and
they
felt
like
this.
They
would
have
a
better
shot
with
the
city.
P
A
B
Q
I
found
their
ram
if
you
want
me
to
sort
of
read
their
line
about
why
they're
asking
the
city
specifically,
basically,
you
found
it.
Q
C
Yeah,
and
so
that
is
my
understanding,
that
the
county
legislature,
when
this
was
initially
proposed,
said,
while
the
library
is
inside
the
city
and
city
residents,
therefore
have
disproportionate
access
to
the
library,
and
so
you
should
go
and
ask
the
common
council
for
funding.
In
short,
I,
like,
like
george
and
like
donna,
disagree
with
that
logic.
I
think
the
the
city
is
a
good
place
for
the
tompkins
county,
public
library,
because
it
is
equidistant
to
from
from
grant
to
caroline
and
it's
equidistant
from
newfield
to
lansing.
C
It
is
in
the
middle
of
the
county,
which
is
why
it
is
where
it
is,
and
one-third
of
county
resources,
of
course
come
from
city
of
ithaca
taxpayers.
C
But
you
know
I
I
felt
like
we
could
on
this
point.
We
could
stand
on
principle
and
I
do
feel
like
we
are
correct
in
principle
and
deny
the
funding,
but
if
we
denied
the
funding,
then
the
the
library
wouldn't
be
open
on
sundays.
So
I
suppose
I
was
just
picking
my
battles,
but
I
I
can't
fault
the
arguments
that
george
and
donna
have
made
so.
A
H
C
I
think
we
did
it
one
year.
I
think
that's
what
I
I
think
we
did
it
in
20.
Forgive
me
I
I'm
pretty
sure
we
did
it
in
2019
and
then
the
pandemic
head.
So
so
the
library
closed,
but
my
memory
could
be
faulty.
N
Yeah
we
we
have
a
couple
points.
We
have
funded
them
extra
funds
in
2020
and
19.
They
had
asked
for
it,
so
it
was
included
in
the
budgets
for
those
years.
I
will
also
point
out,
as
part
of
our
sales
tax
agreement.
We
also
do
fund
them
roughly
15
000
additionally,
as
part
of
that
agreement,
and
that
changes
based
on
collections
annually.
But
that's
what
it's
running
right
about
now
is
about
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
N
So
on
top
of
this
city
residents
paying
county
taxes,
there's
also
that
piece
is
coming
right
off
the
top
of
our
sales
tax
collection.
B
Seth,
I
think
stuff
is
correct.
Just
to
point
out
that
we
were
having
some
security
issues.
There
were
issues
with
moving
the
buses
over
there.
There
was
a
whole
bunch
of
chaos
that
was
happening
in
front
of
the
library
that
we
sort
of
caused
by
by
some
of
the
best
mayhem.
So
I
believe
the
funding
that
we
provided
them
that
for
that
one
time
was
to
help
whatev
for
with
whatever
they
needed
in
reconfiguring
or
or
whatnot,
for
the
impact
of
making
the
changes
of
of
the
bus.
B
G
Yeah
you've
got
a
good
memory,
deb,
that's
what
I
remember
too.
If
we
deny
this
funding
for
sunday
that
does
not
prevent
the
county
from
reconsidering
and
and
covering
their
own
responsibility
and
opening
the
library
on
sunday.
G
So
I'm
still
opposed
to
this
expenditure.
B
I
I'm
opposed
to
this
if
I
could
be
convinced
to
take
it
out
of
our
arpa
money,
which
would
give
the
county
a
year
to
find
their
own
funds
or
to
give
us
money
to
operate
cass
and
stewart
park.
But
I'm
opposed
to
this
as
it
stands.
D
B
B
I
G
G
So
in
fact,
we're
still
2990.
B
G
B
G
That's
that's
what
I'm
proposing
that
we
raise
council
salaries,
a
total
of
thirty
thousand
dollars
and
we
take
and
it's
recurring
and
everybody
lives
happily
ever
after.
B
O
I
wish
I
thought
this
earlier.
I
have
these
controversial
last
minute
thoughts
all
the
time
clearly,
but
I
feel
weird
about
doing
this
and
not
increasing
the
mayor's
salary
at
the
same
time
he's
grossly
underpaid.
I
think
we
agree.
O
I
know
this
big
change
is
coming
up,
but
it's
still
a
couple
years
away,
but
I
don't
have
a
number
and
I
don't
know
that
it
should
be
30
like
we're
giving
our
raise,
but
even
if
I
don't
have
a
number,
I'm
curious,
if
there's
anyone
else
who
has
the
appetite
to
to
give
the
mayor
a
raise
if
we're
gonna
give
ourselves
a
raise
as
well.
C
Yeah,
I
actually
think
I
think
a
two
percent
raise
is
fine.
I
I
mean
duckson's
point.
The
truth
is,
it
is
grossly
underpaid.
C
B
B
And
that
I
think
that's
an
opposed
it's
done
so
that's
carries
nine
to
one.
B
I
Oh
yeah,
I
my
concerns
are
not
sufficiently
qualmed
about
the
with
the
origin
of
the
request,
how
the
request
fits
into
the
developer's
obligation,
how
it
fits
into
the
build
program.
It
kind
of
bothered
me
that
it
came
from
planning
and
not
from
engineering.
I
don't
know
if
it's
consistent
with
the
entire
vision
for
the
route,
13
boulevard
that
and
that
dpw
was
working
on.
I
I,
as
I
said
the
other
night,
I
don't,
it
seems
like
the
cost
of
the
carpenter
project
is
just
growing
and
growing
on
the
part
of
the
city.
These
are
unintended
consequences
that
we
didn't
predict,
and
I
just
think
that
this
I
I
don't
understand.
B
G
Yeah,
I
I
I
just
find
this
amazing
for
us
to
to
vote,
to
put
six
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
dollars
of
the
the
developers
obligation
and
put
it
on
our
own
credit
card.
Just
it
seems
like
trumpian
economics,
so
I
it.
It
makes
no
sense
to
me.
P
Yeah
I
have
to
agree
with
with
george
I
mean
I
really
I'm
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around.
If
this
is
the
developer's
responsibility,
why
I
still
don't
think
I
fully
grasp
why
it's
being
brought
forward
to
us.
I
mean
I
understand
the
desire
to
have
some
money
set
aside
to
maybe
complete
that
that
can't
be
put
on
the
developer,
but
I'm
not.
I
don't
have
enough
clarity
around
that
to
understand
why
it's
this
amount,
I
think
donna
picked
up
on
that
as
well
as
george.
O
But
but
I
agree
with
george
and
rob
and
everyone
that
it.
B
B
B
P
And
I
assume,
as
a
vehicle
steve,
would
that
make
sense
to
be
part
of
something
we're
borrowing.
N
Yeah
yeah
in
the
perfect
world,
I
would
say
you
really
want
to
put
this
in
operating
because
it
costs
more
to
borrow.
Obviously,
but
it's
we
have
in
the
past
to
keep
the
tax
rate
at
a
certain
point
borrowed
for
these
kind
of
things.
P
So
why
don't
we
try
to
do
it
in
operating?
Let's
see
what
happens.
E
B
G
I
was
going
to
oppose
this
simply
because
there's
only
so
much
money,
but
since
we
just
took
a
big
chunk
off
our
credit
card,
I
would
support
this.
If
we
put
this
on
our
credit
card.
B
B
Cynthia
can.
H
H
D
N
N
Busy
trying
to
take
care
of
patrick's
request.
First,
the
the
extra
cost
on
the
vehicle
would
be
about
sixty
four
hundred
dollars.
N
B
N
B
N
I
do
the
net
change
as
I
have
well.
We
haven't
done
anything
with
the
vehicle
yet,
but
so
I
have
a
net
change
of
two
hundred
and
forty
eight
thousand
one
hundred
and
eighty
eight
dollars.
N
So
when
I
say
net
change,
we've
increased
expenses
by
two
hundred,
seventy
three
thousand
one,
eighty
eight
and
we
increased
revenues
by
twenty
five,
and
so
the
net
change
is
248
188.
N
B
G
F
B
B
that
carries
unanimously
for
faith
and
patrick
that
are
looking
at
me,
like
I'm
insane
council
rules
of
procedure
require
us
to
extend
our
meeting
if
it
goes
beyond
four
hours
total.
So
we
started
as
six
and
we
are
just
at
ten,
so
we
need
to
give
ourselves
permission
to
go
longer,
which
happens
occasionally.
B
B
B
B
D
B
N
B
N
Yeah,
so
let
me
just
quickly
do
something.
N
So
just
make
it
53
000
that
will
cover
the
issuance
cost
and
the
other.
The
other
costs
that
I
had
mentioned.
It's
all
part
of
interest
cost,
so
you
have
both
interest
and
issuance
cost
with
your
debt,
so
52
or
53
000
would
be
what
you
want
to
put
on
there.
B
B
B
It
does
not
look
like
that
has
a
second
so
we'll
leave
that
one
go
for
now.
The
dei
planning
for
the
youth
bureau
is
next
on
our
list.
That
was
55,
I'm
528
hundred
sorry,
oh
it's
getting
late.
I
can't
read
numbers
anymore.
Does
someone
wanna
move
that.
B
H
Well,
this
is
more
in
return
in
response
to
weather
changes
and
current
events
in
anticipation
of
the
increase
in
fema
premiums.
Is
this
eligible
for
arpa
funds.
H
In
that
case,
I'll
add
it
to
recurring.
B
Are
we
ready
to
vote
on
this?
So
all
those
in
favor
of
adding
money
for
community
rating
system.
A
So
I
I
had
a
question
about
like
the
preparedness
of
like
the
planning
department
or
department
of
public
works
to
successfully
like
administer
this
money,
because
it's
not
I
mean
cynthia.
This
was,
and
I
agree
that
this
is
a
incredibly
important
issue.
I
mean
community
rating
and
everything
to
do
with
the
flood
rates,
but.
A
H
H
Come
from
planning
I
know.
Actually,
I
should
clarify
that
if
we
were
to
do
this,
I
would
put
it
in
contingency.
H
H
I
know
that
obviously,
the
county
has
been
working
with
city
staff
with
regards
to
the
hazard
mitigation
plans
and
and
other
elements
that
would
fold
into
the
community
rating
system
there.
The
county
is
currently
undertaking
an
analysis
of
it
to
see
if
there
is
a
cost
benefit
to
undertaking
the
process
and
if
it
would
pay
off
for
property
owners,
and
looking
into
that,
I
thought
that
this
would
be
a
good
way
to
have
money
set
aside.
H
If
it
was
considered
to
be
a
a
beneficial
program
to
pursue
to
then
take
this
money
and
hire
a
consultant
who
would
examine
not
only
the
current
programs
that
we
are
putting
in
place
through
our
hazard
mitigation
system.
Take
a
look
at
our
current
zoning.
What
might
qualify
under
the
fema
point
system
and
then
also
other
elements
that
would
give
us
quote:
unquote
the
most
bang
for
the
buck.
In
terms
of
changes
to
zoning
or
outreach
or
or
hazard
mitigation,
that
would
achieve
the
most
points.
H
Yeah,
so
I
think
having
it
in
contingency
would
be
helpful
if
it
did
turn
out
that
with
the
county's
guidance
and
analysis,
they
said
yes,
this
is
something
that
will
give
benefit
to
ithaca
property
owners.
You
know,
fundamentally,
I
will
say
just
in
looking
at
the
last
couple
days
the
number
of
people
who
are
talking
to
me
about
their
flood
insurance,
how
they
need
to
have
flood
insurance,
how
they're
struggling
with
the
damage
that's
done
to
their
homes
because
of
just
a
couple
days
ago.
H
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
increasingly
relevant.
The
hangar
theater,
for
example,
has
flooded
twice
in,
I
think,
the
last
two
months
and
is
now
questioning
whether
or
not
they
should
even
continue
to
exist
in
that
building,
because
the
frequency
of
the
flood
events
that
they
are
encountering
at
that
building
is
now
reaching
an
existential
point
with
regards
to
their
operations.
B
B
B
So
then,
according
to
my
list
that
I
have
here,
do
we
just
have
the
upi's
request
for
additional
arpa
funds
of
150.
B
B
B
Q
B
To
go
through
everything
we
had
on
our
list
and
now
what
happens
next?
Is
I
ask
if
anyone
wants
to
change
anything
else,
remembering
that
we
gave
ourselves
until
10
30
to
finish
the
meeting,
so
does
any
whoa?
Now
I
see
a
lot
of
hands.
So
if
that
many
of
you
want
to
add
amendments,
we
might
as
well
just
extend
the
meeting
right
now.
I
saw
cynthia
and
george
and
patrick
all
kind
of
simultaneously
and
ducks,
and
so.
B
B
Oh,
you
want
the
new
total
steve.
Do
you
have
based
on
what
I
just
said?
Can
you
give
us
kind
of
where
we
stand
with
the
tax
rate
and
everything.
N
I
can
so
the
net
change
at
this
point
is
268
thousand
188
and
if
it
were
to
stay
at
this
point,
you
would
be
looking
at.
N
B
Great
ducks
jackson.
O
B
B
O
That's
five
because
I
think
we
expect
higher
inflation
in
2021,
and
this
is
like
a
tiny,
so
we
just
gave
ourselves
a
a
correction
essentially
and
not
like
a
raise
really
at
least
that's
how
I've
been
thinking
about
it
and
we're
not
doing
anything
close
to
that
for
the
mayor.
But
it's
it's
a
little
closer
in
that
direction.
B
Great
all
right,
all
those
in
favor
of
that.
B
I
B
N
In
a
operating
account,
so
we
just
take
a
just:
take
a
vote
to
move
it
from
the
current
account
to
contingency.
It
doesn't
change
the
budget
at
all,
but.
B
B
H
I
think
laura's
intent
was
to
also
have
the
right
to
counsel
also
go
with
the
same
mou
process,
which
presumably
that
also
goes
to
contingency.
Then.
I
That's
fine
right,
so
the
125
for
law,
new
york
and
200k
for
south
side
in
contingency.
G
Yeah,
I
have
a
question
in
order
to
have
a
mou.
Is
it
mou.
B
H
I
B
I
L
I
was,
this
is
not
to
add
to
confusion,
but
I
didn't
think
we
were
going
to
be
seeing
a
final
move
on
wednesday.
I
thought
we
were
going
to
say
that
this
budget
passes
and
we
will
put
things
in
contingency
right.
B
B
I
think
we
were
going
to
have
more
of
a
sense
of
who
that
mou
would
apply
to
what
we,
what
services
we
might
be
able
to
get
from
the
human
services
coalition,
so
like
not
necessarily
the
mou,
but
we
would
have
more
of
a
sense
of
what
we
wanted.
I
think
the
goal
that
we
heard
earlier
was
consistency
for
some
of
the
human
service
agencies
that
we
were
funding.
B
H
So
so
that
being
said,
since
we
won't
be
having
the
mo
mou
until
later,
we,
it
does
take
a
motion
and
a
second
and
a
vote
to
move
those
two
pockets
to
contingency
and
just
since
we're
on
the
cusp
of
of
all
of
these
discussions,
I
think
it
makes
sense
to
to
do
it
now.
B
G
Recognizing
the
fact
that
the
mayor
has
added
two
police
officer
positions
and
that
we
have
a
squad
of
unarmed
officers
likely
to
be
approved,
we
are
still
down
a
number
of
officers,
not
by
our
own
fault,
but
through
the
workings
of
the
state
and
an
injury,
etc,
etc.
B
D
Q
Yeah
I,
unless
my
math
was
wrong,
the
from
the
10
13
meeting
I
had
that
they
had
18
empty
positions,
not
including
the
seven
of
the
spirit
retire,
and
you
know
I
guess,
sort
of
inconsistency
with
the
same
thing.
With
the
code
inspector
vote,
I
don't
see
how
adding
a
position
solves
18,
empty
ones
in
the
same
way
that
we
were
asking
to
add
a
code
position
brass
one
when
there
was
three
empty
ones.
Q
H
I
have
a
question
for
steve
and
then
a
comment:
steve
and
I've
been
going
back
and
forth
with
this.
H
So
I
was
looking
at
the
2021
approved
budget
and
the
2021
approved
budget
included,
44
police
officers
and
then
two
police
officers
that
were
added
halfway
through
the
year,
bringing
it
up
to
46
police
officers,
and
so
actually,
this
budget
over
last
year's
budget
adds
four
new
officers.
Not
two
is
that
am
I
thinking
about
this
right,
or
did
we
add
another
two
officers
somehow,
between
july
and
and
now
did
we
fund
two
new
positions.
H
H
I
I
I
recognize.
We
have
a
lot
of
turnover,
that's
happening
with
upcoming
retirements,
and
I
recognize
that
we
have
a
tremendous
lead
time
in
hiring
new
individuals,
even
if
it's
a
lateral
transfer
you're.
Looking
at
10
weeks,
if
you're
hiring
somebody
that
then
has
to
go
through
the
academy.
It's
it's
a
much
longer
process.
I
think
nine
months
and
of
course,
we
have
in
the
budget
incentive
for
bonuses
for
lateral
transfers,
which
I
think
I
hope
will
help
fill
the
three
vacant
positions
that
we
have.
H
One
of
the
things
that
I
am
considering
is,
I
would
very
very
very
much
like
to
have
a
new
contract
in
hand
as
we
move
forward
and
I'm
hesitant
to
continue
to
add
positions
until
we
have
that
contract
in
hand.
I
do
believe
we're
very
close,
but
that
clarity
would
allow
us
to
move
forward
mindfully
in
understanding
what
the
cost
will
be,
and
I
just
saw
the
text
about
extending.
B
G
G
G
We
have,
we
have
serious
trouble
safety
of
our
residents,
businesses,
and
so
that
is
why
I
think
we
need.
G
More
police
officers
and
that's
why
I'm
suggesting
this
one.
B
C
Oh
excellent,
yeah
thanks.
I
I
I
just
wanted
to
chime
in
and
say
I
agree
with
cynthia.
I
think
voting
to
increase
the
the
staffing
by
one
position
would
would
end
up
being
largely
symbolic.
C
I
I
think
the
challenges
of
hiring
right
now
are
are
enough
that
that
filling
the
vacant
positions
we've
got
plus
the
two
that
I
proposed
are
going
to
be
challenging
as
is,
and
while
here
george's
concerns,
I
think
the
comparisons
to
staffing
levels
of
the
past
are
you
know,
I
I
don't
think
at
any
department
across
the
city.
We
will
go
back
to
especially.
C
You
know
that
that
peak
staffing
level
of
1990,
where
we
had
twice
as
much
crime
as
we
have
today
and
twice
as
many
calls
for
services
we
have
today
and
half
as
many
tools,
efficiency
tools
like
the
computers
and
the
dispatch
tools
in
our
cars
that
allow
the
officers
to
be
more
efficient.
I
I
do
think
we
need
to
restructure.
C
Obviously,
I
think
most
of
council
knows
my
opinions
on
the
need
to
modernize
and
and
and
be
more
efficient
and
to
restructure
our
public
safety
delivery
systems,
but
I,
I
think,
adding
a
position
above
the
two
that
I
proposed
to
add
to
the
budget.
I
I
I
don't
believe
we'd
end
up
being
able
to
that
third
position.
B
G
You
know,
basically,
I
don't
disagree
with
savante
about
the
difficulty
in
filling
these
positions,
and
perhaps
it
is
symbolic,
but
I
I
challenge
the
belief
that,
being
in
a
car
with
a
computer
is,
is
a
better
form
of
policing
than
getting
out
of
the
car
and
walking
through
a
neighborhood
and
learning
the
people's
names
and
and
their
problems,
and
I
think
that's
really
what
we
need,
whether
that's
armed
police
officers
or
unarmed
police
officers.
Q
I
was
gonna
say:
can
the
last
wrap
up
thing
be?
What
is
the
total
if
it
changed
at
all
the
total
final
excel
sheet
with
the
without
the
excel
sheet,
but
just
the
levy
change
in
the
tax
rate.
F
B
N
Yeah,
so
doesn't
I'm
not
going
to
change
it?
It's
just
there's
a
little
bit
of
breakage
there,
but
I'll
I'll
figure
that
out,
but
it's
so
1189
is
the
tax
rate,
which
is
a
0.34
tax
rate
increase
and
the
levy
change
is
still
at
point.
Nine.
Five
percent.
H
Just
it's
a
marginal
increase
over
last
year's
tax
rate
recognizing
that
single-family
home
median
single-family
home
values
have
gone
up,
20,
000
and
also
recognizing
that
both
our
water
and
sewer
bills
have
gone
up
four
percent
this
year.
B
H
B
F
Thanks,
I
remember
raising
a
question
at
an
earlier
meeting
about
community
outreach
worker.
One
of
the
outreach
workers
has
taken
a
different
job.
I
was
suggesting
that
we
at
least
consider
the
possibility
of
adding
a
third
community
outreach,
worker
and
cevante.
I
think
you
indicated
that
you
were
going
to
be
thinking
about
that.
Looking
at
that
talking
with
the
county,
I'm
talking
with
others
about
that,
so
I
I
just
did
want
to
follow
up,
because
I'm
concerned
that
we
don't
have
the
coverage
in
community
outreach
workers.
B
B
G
And
we
still
have
that
public
works
position
to
deal
with.