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B
Now
I
will
turn
to
our
order
of
business
tonight.
Tonight's
discussion
will
focus
on
council's
opportunities
to
discuss
and
redesign
our
rules
of
procedure,
our
voting
procedures
and
budget
process.
Just
as
information,
let
me
point
out
that
in
2021
the
then
permanent
Council
conducted
significant
research
conducted
interviews
to
examine
our
structure
for
city
government.
We.
B
Of
the
classes
you're
sitting
on,
we
are
transitioning
to
a
city
manager,
form
of
government
and
this
ship.
This
restructuring
of
city
government
has
requires
significant
changes
in
the
role,
responsibility
and
the
authority
of
the
mayor
and
because
it
changes
the
authority
of
the
mayor
reduces
the
authority
of
the
mayor.
It
also
was
required
to
go
to
a
vote
to
the
public.
There
was
a
vote
first
at
common
Council
in
2021
unanimous
vote.
The
animals
had
passed
to
approve
this
restructure
in
the
large
city
government.
That
then
prompted
the
need
to
take
our
ordinance.
B
B
We
will
be
transitioning
to
a
city
manager
who
will
be
selected
based
on
their
skills
in
management,
and
the
mayor
will
then
have
a
different
role.
One
of
the
keys
aspects
to
the
different
role
is
that
at
the
moment,
the
mayor
does
not
have
a
vote
on
common
council,
with
the
exception
of
the
mayor
being
the
tiebreaker.
If
there
are
tied
votes.
B
Mayor
will
bring
the
time
going
forward
in
a
restructured
city
government.
The
mayor
will
have
an
equal
vote,
so
there
will
be
11
voters
as
we
go
into
the
new
city
government
structure,
which
will
be
fully
implemented
in
2024.
But
we
are
not
looking
at
position
descriptions
tonight.
We
are
looking
at
some
of
the
work,
considerable
work
that
has
to
take
place
for
changes
to
our
rules
of
procedure,
changes
to
how
we
conduct
a.
D
B
Review-
and
these
are
all
aspects
that
were
included
in
the
information
that
common
Council
examined
in
2021,
we
are
wrote
and
were
changes
that
were
described
within
the
public
as
we
came
up
to
the
November
2022
referendum.
B
So,
as
I
said,
just
the
key
takeaways
then
come
to
Council
in
2021
voted
unanimously
to
approve
a
change
in
structure
it
diminished
the
authority
of
the
mayor
and
therefore
had
to
go
to
a
public
referendum
that
was
held
in
November,
2022
and
passed,
and
we
are
now
moving
into
the
implementation
phase
of
a
new
structure
board
city
government
I
will
turn
it
over
to
City
attorney
Ari
Levine.
To
give
an
overview.
I
gave
some
overview,
but
Irene
will
present.
You
know
an
overview
of
the
legislation
that
was
passed
at
referendum
on
November.
A
A
Which
I
think
is
very
exciting
change
for
the
government
and
as
an
emergency
path
by
33
of
people
reading
it
referendum.
So
why
was
the
center
wrap
running
I
think
just
one
one
piece
that
sort
of
found
usually
touching
on,
so
we
understand
where
we've
been
in.
E
A
Was
sent
to
referendum
because
Municipal
home
rule
law,
section
23,
which
sets
up
the
mandatory
requirements
in
New
York
law,
requires
that
any
local
law
that
does
any
number
of
things
but
I'll
turn
on
two
of
them
and
particular
referendum.
One
is
any
local
law
that
diminishes
the
authority
of
an
elected
official
has
to
go
to
referendum.
A
This
obviously
greatly
manages
the
operating
elected
official.
The
other
in
of
relevance
here
is
any
representative
that
institutes
a
charter
change,
which
doesn't
mean
minor
tinkering
with
the
charter,
but
rather
a
major
change
in
the
whole
scheme
of
the
city.
Charter
I've
also
have
to
go
to
referendum.
A
I'll
just
barely
did
that
as
well
and
and
pretty
decisively,
so
it
radically
reduced
the
authority
and
responsibility
of
the
mayor
and
it
fundamentally
remade
the
city
Charter
by
swapping
the
city
manager
for
the
Mayors
as
the
CEO
of
the
city
and
the
city
manager,
reporting
to
the
common
Council,
the
legislative
package
that
was
packed
in
fall
in
2021,
and
then
we
went
to
referendum.
A
This
last
fall
because
last
November,
including
vote
in
the
local
law,
which
went
to
referendum
and
couldn't
take
it
back
until
it
was
about
to
represent,
and
it
also
included
the
ordinance
which
had
accompanying
Provisions
that
didn't
need
to
be
in
Oracle
I
didn't
need
to
be
in
the
city.
Charter
I
did
remember
just
Myriad
points
like
a
city
code
to
reflect
our
you
know,
new
and
upcoming
system,
Council
manager,
form
of
government,
and
so
that
importance
was
passed
contingent
on
about
Network.
A
The
last
area
that
I'll
bring
the
concern
is
just
to
provide
what
I
think,
maybe
oh
yeah,
a
helpful
summary.
This
is
exactly
what
actually
was
included
with
the
referendum
package
for
the
Board
of
Elections,
not
the
proposition
at
the
top.
What
was
actually
there
on
the
ballot,
which
then
the
abstract
is
also
included
to
the
public
as
well,
and
this
is
a
good
one,
big
summary
of
what
this
is
about
right.
A
So
the
proposition
traditional
local
law
be
approved
that
would
amend
the
Ithaca
City
Charter
and
the
City
of
Ithaca
municipal
code
to
create
a
position
of
city
managers
with
oversight
and
student
staff
to
be
appointed
and
supervised
by
the
County
Council
and
to
relieve
the
mayor
of
those
administrative
responsibilities.
While
newly
giving
the
member
a
vote
on
the
common
Council.
E
As
the
political
leadership
and
then,
as
you
can
see,
the
abstract
with
the
time
of
the
law,
I'm.
A
It
was
unanimously
adopted
by
Council.
Have
you
heard
the
referendum
and
the
purposes
and
effects
of
this
local
law
are
one
to
allow
common
Council
to
select
and
hire
a
trained,
experienced
professional
in
the
role
of
city
manager
as
the
administrative
head
of
the
city
charged
with
managing
day-to-day
operations
of
over
400
City
staff
across
many
departments,
about
two
to
improve
the
efficiency
and
effectiveness
of
city
government
operations.
Three
to
allow
the
common
Council
and
through
it,
the
public,
to
hold
the
city
manager
accountable
for
the
operations
of
City
staff
on
an
ongoing
basis.
A
Not
just
once
every
four
years
it
was,
but
otherwise
not
only
agree
with
our
current
mayor
council
model
fours
allow
the
common
Council
to
form
policy
reflecting
the
will
of
the
public
and
then
to
supervise
the
city,
manager
and
implementation
of
policy,
advising
staff
5
to
increase
the
potential
for
stability
in
an
ongoing
supervision
of
City
staff
by
transferring
responsibility
for
the
same
from
the
mayor
to
the
city
manager
and,
lastly,
six
to
allow
the
electorate
to
choose
a
mayor
to
serve
as
a
political
leader
of
the
city
as
a
voting
mentor
and
chair
of
an
unjustified.
A
So
that's
a
very
basic
sort
of
procedural
summary
of
Where
we've
been
I
know,
that's,
obviously
a
lot
more
substance
behind
that
which
I
think
definitely
want.
You
know,
please,
even
you.
B
Think
thank
you.
Ari
and
I
will
just
remind
my
Council
colleagues
that
all
of
the
materials
are
included
in
the
memo.
C
B
Thank
Deb
for
pulling
together
these
resources
that
were
provided
to
council
prior
to
this
evening's
meeting,
and
hopefully,
Council
has
had
opportunity
to
look
through
some
of
these
some
of
these
documents
so
I'll
now
turn
it
over
to
Chief
of
Staff
Allen.
A
Great
thanks
everybody.
This
is
pretty
exciting
for
some
of
us
that
were
on
Council
all
through
the
entire
process
of
putting
this
together,
it's
exciting
to
see
it
coming
to
fruition.
A
What
I
wanted
to
just
let
everybody
know
today
we're
going
to
review
our
goals
and
objectives,
but
really
we
are
now
at
this
incredibly
complicated,
like
implementation
phase
like
we're
we're
undergoing
a
pretty
significant
change
when
you
change
your
form
of
government,
then
that
kind
of
trickles
down
into
all
different
elements
of
how
we
operate,
how
we
do
things,
how
we
make
decisions,
and
so
really
tonight
the
goal
of
tonight
is
to
get
as
much
input
as
possible
from
all
of
you
on
how
what
impact
this
will
have
specifically
on
the
mayor
and
Council,
and
we
had
started
earlier
in
the
year
a
preliminary
discussion
on
the
rules
of
the
procedure,
but
the
majority
of
tonight
will
be
getting
some
input
from
all
of
you
on
are
there
what
needed
changes
are
in
terms
of
procedure?
A
What
will
that
look
like
Etc,
so
just
to
remind
everyone?
What
we're
going
to
do
today
is
I'm
going
to
walk
quickly
through
just
a
role,
clarification
exercise.
Then
we're
going
to
drill
down
really
specifically
into
all
of
the
different
sections
of
the
rules
of
the
procedures,
to
read
that
from
everybody
on
what
pieces
need
to
be
reviewed
need
to
be
modified
and
then,
let's
talk
very
quickly
about
voting
procedures,
this
will
feel
a
little
different
to
everyone
because
it
will
change.
A
The
mayor
will
not
have
a
vote
and
change
form
and
a
couple
of
other
pieces.
So
we
wanted
to
talk
everybody
through
and
just
start
to
get
a
feel
for
how
things
will
run
differently
in
the
new
system
and
then.
Lastly,
we
need
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
budget
process
and
what
that
will
look
like
and
how
do
we
insert
the
mayor
and
Council
into
the
budget
process
I'm?
Could
that
look
like
in
any
new
questions
itself
there?
Any
questions
on
that
before
we
just
kind
of
Dive
Right
into
everything.
A
A
A
So
a
lot
of
this
is
a
little
I
tried
to
read
a
little
bit
yeah
because
I'm
trying
to
understand
what
does
this
mean
as
mayor
being
a
part
of
the
council
like,
and
do
we
really
need
a
mayor,
so
I'll
keep
I'll
I'll
I'm
trying
to
understand?
Thank
you.
What
we're
going
to
do
will
help
and
if
it
doesn't,
then
just
keep
asking
questions.
Oh,
why.
C
E
Do
I
know
that
Laura
has
said
that
we're
not
going
to
discuss
the
job
description
of
the
of
the
city
manager
tonight
I
understand
that
I'm
curious,
though,
is
there
a
working
job
description
that
you
are
utilizing
to
help
us
discern
what
the
rules
of
procedure
are
that
we
need
to
address.
A
B
Thank
you.
We
do
not
have
a
position
description.
It
is
the
case
that
description
will
need
to
be
reviewed
by
Civil
Service
and
someone
from
our
HR
department
bill
will
be
looking
at
a
range
of
models
and
taking
input.
As
we
build
a
position
description,
we
do
not
have
a
current
position
description,
and
one
of
the
reasons
Council
has
been
asked
to
provide
input
on
the
criteria
is
because
we
will
use
that
as
some
of
the
information
we
used
as
we
develop
a
position
description.
B
A
And
thanks
what
is
the
status
of
the
job
description
that
Donna
Fleming
wrote
two
years
ago,
which
is
pretty
good
there.
B
Is
a
draft,
and
that
was
something
prepared
as
a
draft
in
2021
and
Jeff
I.
Believe
that's
what
you're
referring
to
it
is
not
a
position
description
that
we
are
using.
It
is
information
that
will
use
as
we
are
developing
a
position,
description
for
the
city
manager,
so
that
is
one
of
a
range
of
input
of
information
that
will
be
used,
we'll
be
looking
at
civil
service.
Now
we'll
be
looking
at
other
models,
and
we
will
use
that
information
as
well.
But
it
is
not
the
position,
description,
Cynthia.
A
B
Glad
you
brought
that
up,
but
Val
will
be
working
on,
is
a
civil
service
position,
information
that
will
be
used
as
the
basis
to
build
a
position
description
but
I'm
very
glad.
You
brought
that
up,
because
the
position
description
will
come
back
to
uncounsel
or
review,
so
it
is
not
as
though
common
household
is
not
involved.
Council
is
involved
in
review
of
position,
description.
B
A
With
the
development
of
a
position,
description
go
ahead
and
just
be
clear,
with
review
from
the
description.
Council
will
have.
A
B
A
B
To
fully
research,
the
process
I
think
at
one
of
the
not
too
long
ago,
kind
of
Council
meetings.
What
council
was
asking
for
was
comparative
information
from
other
communities
other
than
municipalities
that
we
use
this
type
of
synagogue
restructure.
B
Some
of
that,
a
good
deal
of
that
was
done
by
Common
Council
by
the
working
group
that
was
tasked
in
2021
and
that
information
provided
the
basis
for
a
council
school
at
that
time
been
providing
the
basis
to
move
forward
with
the
referendum.
And,
yes,
yes
and
a
key
factor
there
is
that,
yes,
a
city
manager
will
be
hired.
C
A
C
A
See
the
mayor
sits
in
the
middle
constituents.
Feeding
you've
got
Council,
you
have
Chief
of
Staff
sort
of
in
the
other
middle
of
everything,
and
then
you've
got
Department
management
department.
So
this
is
just
sort
of
the
current
structure.
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
a
visual
of
how
that
will
switch
when
we
switch
to
city
manager.
A
So
essentially,
what
this
will
mean
is
you've
got
the
constituents
who
inform
the
mayor
and
Council
of
issues
concerns
Etc,
then
that
the
mayor
and
Council
will
work
directly
with
the
city
manager,
who
will
then
Implement
policy
guidance
legislation
that
comes
through
the
consultants
and
manager?
So
just
so,
you
see
visually
just
the
difference
of
how
the
organizational
organization
will
be
structured,
foreign.
B
A
Is
not
a
comprehensive
organizational
chart?
This
is
just
to
show
you
just
the
structure
of
how
generically
things
will
go
over
your
life
is
numb,
and
this
is
just
just
generically.
You
know
you
can
see
about
it.
There
will
be
also
new
iterations
of
organizational
charts.
That
I'm
sure
will
come
to
the
council
as
well
as
this
moves
forward.
So
but
yes,
you're,
right,
they'll
be
nine
and
I.
Think
you'll
see
probably
those
things
start
to
emerge
through
the
budget
process,
all
right
just
really
quickly.
A
You've
heard
this
in
several
variations
before
I
think
it's
pretty
clear.
It's
clear
in
the
intent
of
the
language
of
the
referendum,
food
manager's
primary
function
will
be
to
implement
policies
established
by
Council
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
quickly
do
the
sort
of
a
comparison
role
of
city
manager.
A
Day-To-Day
talked
about
this
administrative
ahead
of
the
city,
direct
the
staff,
but
in
finance
it'll,
be
the
city
manager
that
prepares
and
submits
the
budget
to
the
council
or
we're
doing
fruitful
attending
Council
meetings
and
just
sort
of
coordinating
department,
heads
and
employees
that
need
to
attend
things
and
then
just
the
same
sort.
A
The
role
of
the
mayor
will
be
Chief,
elected
official
of
the
city,
England
constituents,
community
members
to
hear
concerns
and
learn
about
issues.
The
mayor
will
facilitate
the
process
of
amending
just
a
manager's
budget,
reside
over
all
the
council
meetings
and
assist
Council
and
setting
goals
and
advocating
policy
decisions
again,
very
generic,
just
sort
of
to
show
you
the
the
different
two
halves
of
running
the
city
and
the
elected
side
and
kind
of
the
internal
operation
side.
A
A
A
Okay,
no,
no,
it
will
be
not
to
do
those
things
but
to
create
the
roles.
I
think
I'm
gonna
make
sense.
So
sorry,
maybe
I
can
help
there.
The
local
law
has
that
referendum
contains
a
great
deal
of
firms
of
containers
getting
Charter
in
the
city
code
that
set
out
what
you
might
think
of.
As
sort
of
the
amazing
structure.
You
know
the
instructor
is
building
a
new
building
it.
It's
got
the
foundations
and
the
walls
and
a
bunch
of
the
structure
and
there's
lots
of
details.
A
There's
going
to
be
wall,
hangings
and
furniture,
and
you
know,
as
an
interior
wall,
can't
move
around
right.
If
you
want
to
use
architecturality,
there's
lots
of
those
choices
left
to
make
for
Council,
but
the
big
picture
choice
is
already
is:
is
2021,
followed
by
73
approval
at
referendum
of
the
public.
A
E
A
Right
and
it
just
Echoes
what
Robert
just
said
mayor
and
counseled
on
administrative
duties,
those
will
be
destined
all
right
and
then
just
to
give
you
sort
of
a
sense
of
this
was
kind
of
helpful
from
the
information
that
was
provided
in
the
original
packet
from
the
working
group
that
went
to
council
that
developed
the
the
referendum
is.
These
are
sort
of
on
the
left-hand
side.
You'll
see
these
are
things
that
are
currently
the
task
of
Mayor
and
then
the
mayor
and
the
new
structure.
A
So
what
I
want
to
point
out
is:
we've
got
Chief
administrator
for
the
city
supervising
department,
heads
labor
negotiations,
development,
annual
budget
chair
the
capital
budget
committee.
Those
are
things
that
are
currently
assigned
specifically
in
the
charter
to
the
mayor
and
then
that
big
chunk
that
red
arrow
is,
will
be
moved
off
of
the
mayor's
task
list
and
so
that
the
mayor
in
the
new
structure
will
retain
what
you
see
on
the
side
and
so
we're
thinking
if
anything,
about
a
75
reduction
in
workload.
A
B
Be
reduced,
it
is
likely
okay,
it
is
likely
that
Mayor's
salary
right
now.
The
mayor's
position
is
a
part-time
position
and
the
salary
is
not
certainly
a
good
time
position.
Okay,
but
it
will
be
reduced
further.
It
will
not
be.
B
E
Robert
I
have
very
bad
news.
The
chair
of
capital
budget
committee.
E
In
the
various
iterations
of
this
and
in
fact,
lists
the
mayor
as
the
chair
in
one
case
and
later
on
in
the
changes
lists
the
city
manager,
so
in
terms
of
housekeeping
items,
that
is
something
that's
a
happier
and
Kai,
because
it
is,
it
is
non-interact
in
either
a
clean
copy
available
on
the
city
code
website
or
on
the
November
packet
2021.
So.
E
A
C
A
Just
really
quickly,
we've
talked
about
mayor.
We've
talked
about
city
manager.
We
want
to
just
remind
kind
of
a
council
member
adaptive
policy.
Constituent
concerns.
You
all
know
these
things,
because
these
are
the
things
you're
all
already
doing
all
the
time,
every
day
tax
rates,
including
appointments
plan
for
the
future
preparing
for
meetings
looking
at
the
staff
as
experts
very
here,
but
these
are
just
the
expectations
and
roles
so
we're
going
to
start
to
get
in.
A
There
was
a
number
of
different
documents
that
were
provided
in
some
of
the
folders
that
had
some
good,
just
kind
of
best
practices
about.
When
you
have
these
sort
of
two
pieces
that
need
to
come
together
to
make
a
hole
in
order
to
run
the
city,
you
need
to
have
a
good
sense
of
partnership
with
the
city
manager
and
Hamilton
and
the
mayor-
and
these
are
just
some
realities
that
were
pulled
out
of
some
of
the
literature
on
effective
Council
manager
on
the
government
students.
A
So
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
walk
everybody
through
just
kind
of
a
us.
It's
sort
of
a
silly
example,
but
it
would
prompt
us
to
have
some
good
discussions,
so
we
can
maybe
get
a
sense
of
understanding
of
what
the
change
will
actually
look
like
once.
It
goes
into
effect,
so
we're
going
to
play
a
little
game
whose
job
is
going
away.
C
A
A
That
the
city
should
provide
free
ice
cream
Sundance
to
All
City
residents
right
so
there's
a
whole
group
of
people
and
they
they
fill
council
chambers,
and
they
say
this
is
something
we
know
we
want,
so
we're
I'm,
just
gonna
toss
it
open.
So,
let's
of
the
choices,
your
choices
are
mayor's
sweet
admitted
during
common
Council
who
decide
that
this
is
something
that
that
this
should
be
something
the
city
considers
whose
job
is
that.
A
A
C
A
C
A
Man-
okay,
good
good.
Why
do
you
need
to
do
this
with
you
at
all
you're,
all
good
okay
plans
are
being
developed
for
free
ice
cream
for
Ithaca.
You've
got
to
snag
the
controller
Flags
a
problem.
This
violates
our
current
vendor
power.
Also,
the
Chamber
of
Commerce,
that's
part
of
the
city
was
going
to
bulk
purchase
all
of
the
ice
cream
from
a
company
in
Syracuse.
It
has
been
lobbying
for
a
small
business
owner
to
get
the
contract
to
provide
the
Sundays
bull,
writes
the
draft
food
vendor
policy
for
the
city.
A
A
A
Then
yeah,
but
I
would
say
that
that
we've
all
learned
how
hard
it
is
to
drive
a
car
by
committee
right.
So
if
you
want,
you
definitely
want
consultation
from
the
city
manager
and
whatever
staff
need
to
be
involved
to
write
the
policy.
But
it
certainly
would
have
to
come
back
for
approval.
D
A
Right,
it
depends
on
what
you
mean
by
rights,
so
we
may
not.
We
often
we
write
on
the
floor
by
expressing
our
preferences,
whether
it's
converted,
but
also-
and
this
relates
to
Something
in
the
agenda
packet-
about
how
the
county
goes.
Business
as
the
county
legislators
do
not
write
resolutions,
and
you
know
I
fully,
disagree
and
kind
of
do
it
that
way.
I
don't
think
that
that
isn't
all.
D
A
A
A
Found
me
the
man,
the
mayor
could
also
always
ask
anyone
else
to
participate
if
the
mayor
needed
support
or
wanted
to
have
including
another
staff
or
manager
or
other
council
members,
but
certainly
that
would
be
at
the
mayor's
question
who
signs
the
contract
with
Purity
and
Sweet
Melissa's,
who
decided
to
go
local
to
provide
the
ice
cream?
I'm.
Sorry,
if
I
missed
any
other
local
ice
cream
at
the
green
area,
we'll
get
them
all
on
board.
D
A
That's
the
same
meaning
right.
This
is
a
really
interesting,
so
we've
been
having
some
internal
discussions
with
this
as
well,
so
so
some
of
you
might
know
that
are
some
sort
of
a
system
or
a
process
of
how
contracts
are
routed
around
the
city
hall
and
right
now,
what
we
call
the
like
this
one
final
signature
on
it
is
currently
the
mayor
and
there
are
other
people
who
see
how
these
attorney
Sheriff
City
Administration.
A
Some
of
this
controller
signed
contracts,
so
I
believe
the
model
was
able
to
is
that
the
city
manager
will
be
the
final
signer
of
all
contracts,
but
quite
possibly
been.
The
mayor
would
replace
the
city
Administration,
chair
signature,
but
that's
something
that
will
flag
and
bring
it
back
to
you
as
you
look
a
little
bit
about
the
into
the
contract
wrapping
process,
that's
good!
C
A
C
A
A
We
just
have
to
determine
what
makes
the
most
sense
for
him
to
find
the
signer,
so
without
I'll
use
sort
of
an
example
with
the
whole
reimagined
Public
Safety,
there
was
accusation
that
it
wasn't
signed,
or
somebody
didn't
approve,
or
something
like
that
in
this
case,
who
would
better
fell
on
the
city
manager?
Well,
yeah
I'm,
trying
to
so
we
anybody
else
hear
me
yeah.
B
A
A
A
And
then
the
question
is
who
what
other
workflow
of
the
reviewing
the
contract
on
the
way
to
that
final
binding
signature
occurs
and
right
now
that
the
city
controller,
the
City
attorney
and
the
chair
of
the
city,
Administration
committee,
presumably
council
is
still
going
to
want
there
to
be
a
National
University
controller
and
illegal
City
attorney's
office.
So
the
question
is:
who
will
the
other
elected?
Who
will
be
elected
reviewer
on
B
in
that
process?
And
currently
that's
the
chair
of
the
city
Administration
committee?
A
But
there
it
seems
like
there
could
be
a
good
argument,
but
maybe
Council
wants
to
be
the
mayor.
George.
Do
you
have
a
question?
A
A
So
that's
that's
that
this
that's
the
final
result
of
when
money
goes
through,
is
it
through,
and
so
those
signatures
are
once
Council
has
authorized
and
I
mean
tonight's
agenda.
I
think
there
is
a
discussion
of
the
pleasure
process
of
Minnesota,
so
so
the
ones
I
mean
you're
asking
about
the
weather
crosses
effectively.
The
budget
process
is
a
very
relevant
question
in
terms
of
the
new
structure,
but
the
contract
process
is
how
do
you
spend
that
money
after
it's
budgeted
understood?
Thank
you.
The
clear
advising
yeah
I'm.
E
A
This
is
just
a
slide
that
kind
of
helped
explain
again.
This
delineation
between
you
know,
sort
of
planning,
priority
setting
goal
setting
and
then
the
implementation
of
those
things
right.
C
A
We're
thinking
about
the
elected
officials
are
over
on
the
long
range
planning
side
and
the
implementation
of
once
the
elected
officials
gave
guidance
and
Direction
that
kind
of
gets
handed
over
to
the
staff.
So
this
is
just
sort
of
a
way
to
take
a
look
at
how
things
are
routed.
When
we
have
this
system
in
place,
the
city
manager
will
look
for
guidance
from
the
mayor
and
Council
and
then
we'll
work
with
and
direct
staff
to
carry
out
the
operations.
C
A
So
we
talked
about
this
a
couple
times
at
the
city,
Administration
committee
and
I
kind
of
got
some
guidance
from
the
members
there,
as
is
like
how
we
wanted
to
tackle
this.
This
is
that
had
said
a
few
times,
pretty
pretty
complicated.
So
today
what
we
really
wanted
to
do.
We
are
not
going
to
be
writing
or
rewriting
anything
on
the
floor
tonight.
A
We
can
have
some
discussion
and
try
to
get
some
good
notes
written
down
and
then
clearly,
there's
going
to
need
to
be
a
lot
of
work
done
outside
of
this
meeting
for
drafting
the
actual
changes
that
need
to
occur,
and
then,
ultimately,
those
rules
of
procedures
will
come
back
to
the
city.
Administration
committee
for
review
and
final
approval
does
that
make
sense
to
everyone?
A
So
we'll
start
with
the
the
sort
of
section
one
and
again
just
because
right
now
the
rules
and
procedure
are
organized
section,
one
blah
blah.
That
doesn't
mean
they
need
to
organize
in
the
same
way.
This
is
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
us
to
really
take
a
look
at.
Do
the
rules
of
a
procedure
that
currently
govern
the
common
council?
Do
everything
that
you
need
them
to
do?
A
Do
they
have
everything
in
them
and
one
of
the
folders
that
I
provided
for
you
again
I
know:
I
I've
played
a
lot
of
information
out
there
for
you,
but
there's
one
whole
holder.
That
has
we're
not
going
to
give
any
thousands
of
examples.
What
I
tried
to
do
is
to
find
cities
that
were
relatively
similar,
that
have
a
city
manager
and
that
seemed
to
offer
a
similarly
to
how
we
currently
operate.
A
So
the
different
examples
of
rules
and
procedures
that
are
in
there
just
show
you
different
versions
and
variations
of
how
other
cities
have
organized
their
rules
of
govern
their
synconsciousness
okay,
so
organizational
meeting
was,
was
the
first
section
right
now.
The
organizational
meeting
says
that
we
have
to
meet
on
January,
1.
A
I
can't
remember
the
last
week
There's
a
couple
of
times:
we've
actually
met
on
January
1.
for
some
not
forever,
and
sometimes
we've
modified
it.
Sometimes
it's
kind
of
on
the
date
when
you
sort
of
merged
with
it.
So
I
guess.
Just
again.
A
Do
we
feel
like
we
need
to
have
this
January
1
meeting
I
know
some
of
the
purpose
of
that
is
so
we
can
officially
transition.
You
know,
Boom,
the
new
elected
officials
are
and
I
know
it
was
really
crucial
in
the
past,
because,
with
the
mayor
functioning,
as
the
chief
sort
of
operating
administrator
of
the
city
really
needed
to
know
very
specifically
what
day
who
was
in
charge
of
what?
A
So
we
will
have
a
city
managing
them
so
and
many
of
the
other
cities
just
sort
of
identify
an
organizational
meeting,
and
they
have
a
bunch
of
standard
things
that
they
do
with
their
very
first
meeting
of
the
year.
Just
looking
for
guidance,
suggestions,
ideas
and
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
other
people,
video
that
we
have
questions
about
so
cool.
What
part
of
the
statutory
requirements
in
terms
of
when
someone's
killing
comes
to
an
end.
A
So,
yes,
I
suppose
it's
your
answer
in
terms
of
an
office
for
Council
Members
expire
in
the
applicable
today.
On
December,
31st
and
sorry,
but
new
council
members
can
be
sworn
in,
I
think
I
believe
they
can
be
sworn
in
actually
in
late
December
if
they
wanted
to
once
they've
been
elected
or
it's
all
correctly,
New
York
state
law,
I
believe
provides.
A
30-day
power
in
office
does
not
take
advantage
until
January
1st
still
fill
up
their
Journey,
but
their
ability
to
be
sworn
in
and
assigned
up.
A
Available
so
I
don't
think
there
actually
has
to
be
a
gap
too
bad,
and
the
related
question
is
what
is
it
the
council
might
be
doing
in
those
first
few
days.
If
there
was
an
emergency
in
the
album
get
together
and
they
weren't
sworn
in,
they
can
also
get
sworn
in
at
that
moment
again
act
as
well.
A
So
then
I
might
consider
moving
up
the
swearing
in
into
December,
and
we
have
new
council
members
most
likely
family
will
be
visiting
over
the
holidays.
We
would
have
an
opportunity
to
have
family
during
the
swear.
Again,
it's
a
serious
versus
January,
where
last
time
when
we
found
in
his
lab
so
given
that
end
of
term
being
able
to
overlap
right.
C
A
A
I
think
there's
there's
real
value
in
the
ceremonial
aspect
of
it.
Just
saying,
thank
you
that
people
are
leaving
and
welcoming
the
people
that
are
coming
on
council
at
the
same
meeting,
not
I,
don't
know
if
you
mean
that,
like
piecemeal
over
the
course
of
December
I,
don't
think
that's
a
good
way
to
transition.
A
A
A
So
if
I
could
continue
on
my
previous
comment,
if
we
were
to
have
this,
where
I
am
jointly
in
December
with
the
outgoing
Council
I,
don't
see
any
reason
legally
that
we
would
need
to
have
a
genuine
one
swearing
in,
because
we
would
have
already
addressed
that
time
frame
and
who
wants
to
get
up
on
January
1
after
December
31st
to
come
too.
We've.
A
A
B
And
is
that
something
we
can
do
well?
I
think
what
is
being
proposed
is
we're
meeting
in
December
to
avoid
any
Gap
so
that
those
council
members,
whose
term
is
expiring,
the
end
of
December
and
those
council
members.
B
January
1.
I
think
what
I
heard
is
new
members
could
be
sworn
in
an
end
of
December
date
and
would
not
officially
take
office
until
January
1,
but
that
would
prevent
any
kind
of
again.
A
A
A
So
there's
actually
a
New
York,
State
Department
of
State
website
affirmation
to
public
offices,
and
it
says
pretty
much
what
I
just
said
to
you.
It
says
that.
A
Where
I
wrote,
the
office
for
an
elective
office
must
be
taken
and
filed
before
or
within
30
days
after
the
commencement.
A
But
I
think
all
I
was
trying
to
get
at
is
right
now
in
your
rules
of
procedure
dictate
that
you
meet
on
January
1..
What
I'm
hearing
is
you
don't
want
to
do
that,
and
so
that's
something
that
needs
to
get
flagged
as
changed.
We
can
come
up
with
language
that
identifies
how
to
find
the
best
time
in
December,
and
then
the
idea
is
not
that
we're
redoing
this
every
single
year.
A
You
know
I
think
it
would
be
useful
to
have
the
rules
of
the
procedure
reviewed
and
approved
every
year,
like
actually
some
of
the
other
examples
that
I'm
provided
at
their
organizational
meeting
every
January
there's
the
rules
of
procedure
are
reviewed
and
approved
for
that
year.
I
mean
that's
something
that
you
have
to
look
at
doing,
but
I'm
just
trying
to
get
get
this
language
out
of
there.
That
requires
the
meeting
and.
A
Big
families
won't
be
able
to
come
that
early.
My
channel
some
people
traveling
under
the
December
but
I,
don't
think
we
need
to
miss
anything.
I'm
gonna
need
like
a
lead
alarm
like.
C
A
A
That
comes
with
the
numbers
in
the
senior
annual
and
that
might
address
some
of
them
included
them
as
well.
I
think
what
this
was
was
to
try
to
get
to.
We.
You
were
going
to
look
at
rules
of
procedure
at
CA
a
couple
months
ago,
and
the
feedback
at
that
meeting
was.
If
we're
going
to
be
changing
things
anyway.
It
might
make
sense
to
do
a
more
comprehensive
change.
A
These
are
your
rules
and
procedure
right,
so
this
is
going
to
ultimately
go
through
CA
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
a
little
bit
deeper.
You
know
the
referendum
passed
now.
We
know
there's
there's
no
modification.
We
know
our
form
of
government
is
changing,
so
are
there
some
basic
things
that
we
need
to
make
some
decisions
on
that
are
in
place
so
that
no
matter
who
is
in
what
seat
come?
January
1,
there's
not
uncertainty
about
too
many
things,
and
so
I've
come.
If
the
feedback
from
this
group
is
nope.
A
That
can
wait.
That's
not
so
you
just
flag
it
and
say
that's
not
the
thing
we
want
to
worry
about
today,
but
there
are
some
substantive
things
that
I
think
we
do
want
to
address
and
we'll
just
cruise
through
this,
and
if
the
group
says
man,
that's
we
don't
that's
not
as
important
to
us
right
now,
right,
we'll
just
move
on
and
go
to.
The
next
thing.
I
think
that's
fine!
E
A
Other
than
that
I
don't
see
any
things
really
necessary
right
now,
in
the
first
section
and
again,
the
other
thing
just
to
remind
everyone
of
anything
you
want
to
send
in
and
comment
on
anything
from
this
memo
you
have
stuff
in
writing
or
examples,
or
just
please
start
sending
that
along.
So
as
this
moves
through
CA
later
down
the
road,
we
have
all
of
everybody's
ideas.
A
B
Over
meetings,
if
the
mayor
is
incensitated,
who
may
provide
coverage
patch
ribbon
cuttings
for
ceremonial.
E
A
So
I
think
your
point
is
well
taken.
Okay,
all
right.
Let's,
let's
try
to
cruise
to
a
couple
of
these
other
things,
state
of
the
city,
we're
assuming
that
it's
still
going
to
be
given
by
the
mayor
at
the
January
meeting.
You
don't
want
to
make
any
changes
to
that
good.
Okay,
the
one
thing
that
I
wanted
again
this
is
this
is
feedback
General
guidance
time.
A
We
don't
have
to
make
up
the
sort
of
final
decisions
on
things
tonight,
but
several
of
the
examples
that
were
provided
have
the
structure
of
their
meetings
or
councils
set
up
with
things
working
me.
There's
working
meetings
and
no
more
meetings
where
there's
different
kinds
of
sessions.
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
anybody
had
any
opinions
or
the
ways
in
which
they
think
that
maybe
Council
conducting
this
I
want
to
be
modified.
A
A
Sometimes
you
know
we
have
something
called
the
committee
of
the
whole,
which
is
weird
because
it's
not
actually
defined
anywhere
in
our
rules
of
procedure,
but
we
have
an
activity
of
the
whole
right
now
right,
but
it
doesn't
actually
say
what
it's
for
or
or
why
it's
used
and
we
have
been
using
Committee
of
the
whole
as
just
sort
of
a
generic
term
for
taking
a
deeper
dive
into
into
particular
topic.
A
E
Point
for
us
to
discussing
CA,
especially
given
that
you
know
there
may
also
be
changes
to
the
number
and
structure
of
communities
next
year,
as
well,
so
worthy
of
a
longer
conversation,
but
I
agree
with
that.
Right
now,.
A
I
feel
like
the
construction
was
very
well
we
do
have.
We
may
need
a
council
which
presumably
is
where
you're
supposed
to
match
up
really
get
into
the
nitty-gritty
of
issues,
which,
of
course,
all
the
council
is
invited
to
and
then
unique
events
like
this
for
the
convenient
home.
We
need
to
actually
officially
have
everything
but
I
feel
like
the
current
structure.
Works.
I,
don't
know
if
we
need
to
amend
it
and
it's
her
frustration.
Yeah.
B
A
Think
if
you
want
to
keep
it,
my
suggestion
would
be
that
we
put
some
language
in
there
about
a
committee
as
a
whole.
Right
now,
I
think
there's
something
generic
that
says
special
meeting,
but
it
isn't
isn't
clear
exactly
what
that
is
so
I
think
whatever
we
do,
we
should
put
some
of
us
specific
language
and
about
what
can
mean
what
what
is
convenient
but
and.
A
Doing
so.
A
Rules
of
procedure,
so
that
might
be
one
available
function,
yeah
and
kind
of
some.
It
could
potentially
the
way
it's
written
any
cause
and
inherent
complex,
because
it's
always
that
the
mayor's
discretion,
what
minis
there
are
of
council,
and
if
there
are
more
committees
than
there
are
Wednesdays,
then
you
may
even
want
to
think
about
how
that's
how
that's
going
to
be
structured.
So
that's
all.
A
So
I
have
a
question
then
sitting
on.
Since
can
you
come
back
into
person
after
covet
and
it
might
be
good
when
we're
looking
at
the
rules
of
procedure
and
chosen
clarification
in
examining
the
open
meetings
laws
as
currently
defined.
B
A
A
A
committee
can
make
an
application
to
bring
it
up
to
council,
but
they
themselves
are
not
a
decision-making
body,
so
you
refer
to
the
open
meetings
law.
Are
you
attempting
to
suggest
that
committees,
standing
committees
of
the
common
counselor
are
not
subjective,
I,
think
I'm
searching
for
clarification.
It.
A
It
makes
sense
to
continue
to
operate
as
if
it
is
a
decision-making
body,
abide
by
local
women's
laws.
But
looking
at
the
definition
because
of
course
the
ca
or
our
current
committees
are
five
brothers,
each
are
not
or
are
they
are
actually
a
decision-making
body.
So
the
law
is
actually
quite
clear
but
standing
committee's
very
legislative
body,
our
subject
or
our
legally
subjects,
the
other
Beauty
Supply,
because
it
actually
is.
A
But
that
doesn't
mean
that
a
standing
committee
containing
five
members
of
the
department
council
is
exempt
from
you
know
the
meetings
they
need
to
look
at
Lauren
on
that
standard
community.
In
order
to.
A
The
Quorum
is
defined
here
as
of
over
six
or
more
council.com
right
so
again,
so
again,
if
it
would
be
good
just
to
be
clear
and
and
in
the
definition,
because
the
way
I've
read
the
open
meeting
law,
it
is
for
which
a
body
where
a
quorum
is
defined-
and
there
is
no
point
applying
for
a
stem
I-
think
that
the
several
times
that
this
the
rules
of
procedure
document
has
been
reviewed.
It's
been
flagged
that
there's
not
guidance
on
standing
committees.
A
I
mean
pretty
much
and
also
I
think
that
was
already
something
that
was
on
the
radar
to
us
and
I.
Think
that
was
even
one
piece
of
the
latest
version
that
we
saw
at
CA
a
couple
of
months
ago
was
that
the
standing
committees
would
operate
with
the
same
rules
of
procedure.
So
we
can
just
flag
that
so
that
goes
in
because
you're
right
there's,
it
talks
really
specifically
about
the
council
meeting
and
what
has
to
be
on
the
agenda
and
all
these
other
pieces.
A
But
there
isn't
really
a
language
in
here
about
spending
companies
and
so
I
think
we
just
need
to
either
put
in
a
phrase
that
says
standing
committees
are
subject
to
the
same
thing
as
this
or
have
more
specific
stuff
and
learn
about
students.
So
I'll
make
sure
we
get
that.
You
know
it's
also
I
think
we're
considering
that
standing
committees,
I
think
have
been
left
intentionally
flexible
because
over
the
years
and
decades
they've
evolved
right.
So
we've
been
I
think
as
much
as
five
standing
committees.
A
We
currently
have
two
early
and
mayor
marks
in
my
time
in
office.
We
have
three.
So
it
is
very
quite
a
bit
and
I
write
question
is
five
members,
but
there's
nothing
actually
to
say
that
there
has
to
be
five,
okay
and
I.
Think
that's
been
left
purposefully,
flexible
so
that
you
know
and
all
the
choices
could
be
made
about
the
best
stock
term
for
anything
to
stop
reading
them.
But
it's
not
even
certainly
couldn't
drive
them.
C
A
Okay,
the
next
section
of
the
roles
of
procedure
as
they
exist
talks
about
voting
this.
This
is
more
of
just
sort
of
a
clarification
conversation,
so
everybody
has
an
understanding
of
how
voting
will
change
just
a
little
bit.
So
this
is
currently
how
it
works.
The
at
a
full
council
meeting.
Everyone
has
a
vote.
The
mayor,
they
do
not
have
a
vote
currently
accepted
an
I
in
Denison's
x-ray
majority
is
required,
and
six
constitutions
regarding
one
is
also
six
and
then
we
essentially
say
everything
else
is
governed.
A
C
A
Reason
for
that
is
that
in
the
new
system
there
will
be
11
members
in
order
for
a
vote
to
carry
that
means
you'll
need
at
least
six
out
of
those
11
books
to
bring
you
to
make
it
carry,
and
you
can't
have
a
six
to
six
tie
because
there
aren't
12
numbers,
there's
11
numbers.
So
if
there's
a
five
to
five
tie,
that
just
means
it
fail
because
for
any
vote
to
carry
an
11
and
number
body,
it
requires
six
goats,
five
to
five.
A
It's
automatically
failing
and
there's
also
going
to
break
the
ties
so
to
speak.
I
mean
there
is,
but
they
were
already
a
member
of
the
body
anyway
right.
The
mayor
under
the
new
system
beginning
next
year,
will
always
have
jokes,
so
there
will
always
be
11
potential
votes.
If
somebody's
absence,
then
maybe
you'll
only
have
10
or
not.
A
A
That's
maybe
six
votes
to
carry
even
if
somebody's
absence,
so
five
votes
isn't
enough,
no
matter
what
it's
always
going
to
take
six
votes
next
year,
if
anything,
okay
by
the
way,
I
think
six
six
months
and
and
all
right
currently
we're
at
five
to
five.
A
Into
five
up
to
six,
there
will
be
nobody
to
bring
us
five
to
Five.
Guys
he's
not
already
remember
the
body
anyways.
Does
that
make
sense?
What,
if
somebody
upstairs?
What
if
somebody
abstains?
What,
if
somebody
refuses
to
vote
you
while
it
says
yeah
somebody
is
absent
or
needs
to
accuse
themselves
because
of
the
conflict.
Anything
like
that
right,
then,
the
remaining
members
of
the
body
will
have
to
Garner
six,
but
six
other
votes
for
I'm.
A
In
order
for
the
vote
to
carry,
and
if
it
don't,
then
it
fits,
that's
it,
which
again
is
true.
Even
on
the
current
common
Council,
you
still
need
six
votes
in
order
to
marry
now
as
well.
The
difference
is
that
right
and
other
mayor
only
gets
the
voters
as
hydrated
in
the
system
beginning
next
year.
The
mayor
will
always
have
a
vote
and
therefore
they'll
never
be
such
a
thing
as
a
tiger.
A
Let
us
really
quickly
so
we're
saying:
there's
not
a
newborn
form
will
still
be
fixed.
A
11
total
votes
possible.
We
have
an
example
that
we've
said
that
we
have
different,
there's
different
kinds
of
votes
that
require
different
kinds
of
majorities
right,
so
there's
already
and
I
were
kind
of
digging
through
today
to
look
for
some
examples
for
some
of
them,
and
so
one
we
found
was
this
lease
for
cell
realistic,
sorry
that
was
the
Super
majority
right
so
yeah.
A
So
that
example
is
in
City
Charter
session
c36
840
I
think
it
is
also
a
state
law
provision
and
both
of
those
specify
a
three-quarters
of
threshold
of
the
common
Council.
So
an
example
is
if
the
city
were
going
to
sell
City
owned
real
estate.
A
We
have
always
needed
eight
three
quarters
of
those
underground
Council
in
order
to
established
real
estate
and
and
so
when
you
then
go
to
apply
that
under
this
model,
under
the
2024
model,
with
the
councilman
of
your
former
government,
you
have
11
votes.
Three
quarters
of
11
is
eight
and
a
quarter.
Eight
and
a
quarter
means
that
eight
votes
is
not
enough
to
take
any
of
the
three
quarters
of
the
government
Council.
So
that
would
require
nine
votes
for
a
super
majority
that
is
specified
at
three
quarters.
A
I
believe
there
are
also
instances
in
state
law,
especially
that
specify
some
super
majorities
at
two-thirds,
it's
pretty
random
level
for
district
Provisions,
and
so
that
two-thirds
would
bring
you
to
a
different
threshold.
But.
A
So
the
other
time
the
city
majority
is
needed
is
if
a
director
of
talks
about
planning
office,
it's
a
okay
yeah.
So
that's
also
that's
not
a
lease
or
sale,
but
that
also.
A
Subject
matter
specified
in
the
same
law
that
requires
super
majority,
sometimes
as
a
two-thirds.
Sometimes
so
three
quarters
and
and
I've
been
entrepreneurs
experience
it
because,
anyway,
whatever
it
is,
we're
just
giving
an
example.
We're
gonna
have
to
apply
those
thresholds
to
the
11.
We
just
wanted
to
flag
for
everyone
because
we're
so
it's
so
used
to
voting
in
certain
ways
that
this
is
going
to
mean
different
numbers
for
different
kinds:
okay,
taxable
right
now.
A
What
we
say
is
that
the
mayor
gets
a
vote
for
the
tax
rate,
that
language
will
go
away,
because
the
mayor
always
has
a
vote,
and
then
there
is
also
some
language
about
mayoral
veto
and
that
was
actually
stricken
with
the
legislation.
So
we'll
also
have
to
take
it
out
of
there's
also
language
about
avito
and
an
overriding
rules
of
procedure,
so
that
we'll
also
have
to
come
out
of
those
procedure
which
is
which
is
today
that
the
local
law
that
Council
passed
is
a
group
of
referendum
already
eliminated.
A
A
A
All
right
moving
on
we're
still
in
section
one
rules,
the
procedure:
let's
see
how,
let's
see
if
we
can
do
all
of
them
really
quickly
right
now,
creating
the
agenda
I
just
wanted
to
get
a
sense
from
all
of
you
about
what
you
thought
would
make
the
most
sense
in
terms
of
creating
the
common
Council
agenda
right
now,
it's
sort
of
routine.
We
have
things
that
are
fed
into
it
from
standing
committees,
I'm
assuming
that
will
change
very
much.
But
what
is
your
vision
of
sort
of
who
is
setting
the
council.
A
I
feel
pretty
strongly
that
it
should
be
even
there
since
it's
the
agenda
that
defines
what
is
the
pop.
The
policy
discourse
for
the
body
effect
intermediate
the
chair,
the
mayor
or
the
chair
of
the
standing
committee.
Of
course,.
A
E
Exact
same
way,
it
should
be
we're
talking
about
crafting
policy
that
cannot
be
divorced
from
setting.
A
A
I
I
was
demanded,
so
you
said
the
city
manager.
Does
the
administrative
Co-op
right
so
isn't
that
like
putting
a
agenda
together,
Administration
a
job
administrator,
probably.
A
The
same
questions:
okay,
what
like
it's
pretty
much
like
the
stern
map?
Thank
you.
You
can
take
a
look
at
some
of
the
other
examples
as
well
and
see
like
some
of
them
sort
of
put
some
language
in
there
about
like
mayor
and
the
city
manager
shall
meet
monthly
to
review
the
agenda.
Something
like
that.
So
there's
some!
You
know
stuff
like
that,
that
you
would
that
you
could
put
in
there.
A
A
Yeah
so
right
now
it's
still
the
same
determines
and
then
we
have
a
city
clerk
who
puts
like
you
said
the
mechanics
of
it
will
be
the
City
Club.
So
that's
one
of
the
things
that
will
mean
to
take
a
look
at
down
the
road
as
we
look
at
organizational
charge
up
to
sort
of
what
the
structure
and
the
function
and
how
things
go
flow
if
you're
going
to
make
certain
things,
but
I
think
the
purpose
of
this
discussion
was
just
making
sure
we're
all
in
agreement
that
the
agenda
content
will
still
end.
A
The
mayor
would
have
the
final
Authority
and
what
goes
on
everybody
good
with
that
okay,
great
length
of
meetings.
The
only
reason
I
put
this
in
here
is
because
we
have
had
to
vote
to.
Excuse
me
not
me,
I,
don't
vote
anything
anymore,
but
the
extending
the
meetings
there
I
just
stumbled
upon
language
from
other
organizations.
That
kind
of
essentially
say
we
don't
get
to
it
in
a
certain
time.
It's
assumed
that
it
passes.
I
was
like
okay,
I'm.
C
A
Instead
of
extending
the
meeting
for
longer,
you
do
a
quick
agenda
review
and
you
decide
if
you
want
to
take
anything
off
and
save
it
till
the
next
time.
I
don't
know,
there's
another
I'm,
just
letting
you
know
that
there
are
other
options
out
there
and
if
you
would
like
to
change
the
way
that
operates
I
think
now
would
be
the
time
to
be
open
to
just
other
possibilities
of
what
that
could
look
like
that.
That
was
really
the
only
point
of
putting
this
on
here.
B
A
A
A
Just
really
quickly
did
we've
talked
about
public
comments
randomly
at
different
times
again.
This
would
be
an
opportunity
for
anyone
to
put
on
the
table
any
new
ideas
or
ways
to
have
more
or
better
or
more
robust
engagement
around
public
comment.
So
that's
just
opening
the
door
to
any
suggestions
or
ideas.
If
you
see
anything
in
any
of
the
other
examples
that
you
thought
was
worth
exploring.
A
Terms
of
having
to
meet
a
specific
thresholder
when
the
injector
pills
live
and
when
sign
up
time
is
available
and
whatnot
and
I
wasn't
sure
that
was
correlated
with
just
Logistics
of
trying
to
make
sure
that
the
meeting
can
run
in
my
staff's
limitations
or
if
there
are
specific
rules
and
procedures,
because
they
do
know
that
there's
a
cut
off
20
percent
job
online.
The
public
comment
that
folks
can
tend
to
miss
on
and
but
that
doesn't
encounter
folks.
A
A
A
A
Anything
else
on
public
comment,
absolutely
I
I
was
just
gonna,
say
I
think
that
maybe
it
would
be
helpful
for
us.
B
A
B
A
B
On
the
Fly
that
this
kind
of
blanket
like
these
remain
respectful
can
accomplish.
A
A
A
A
This
is
time
you
know,
I,
don't
know
where
is
it
written
or
if
it
was
said
to
let
people
know
time
has
run
out
to
sign
up
because
I've
learned
many
times
that
for
myself
and
for
maybe
others,
sometimes
sitting
in
the
audience
who
don't
really
have
the
urge
to
speak
until
you
hear
others
speaking
so,
is
there
some
way
that
they
can
be
Announcement
by?
Maybe
the
mayor
or
the
city
manager
of
whoever
is
here.
So
let
people
know
that
you
have
now
we're
running
out
of
time.
B
Whatever
that's
that's
a
really
good
point,
because
there
have
been
a
number
of
times
where
the
cards
or
those
present
who
want
to
address
counsel,
so
it
fills
out
the
card
and
it
comes
to
the
front
and
I'll
have
10
cards,
but
then,
all
of
a
sudden
there
will
be
three
additional
cards
coming,
and
that
is
something
that
we
should
clarify.
B
Another
point
we
should
clarify
is
the
option
to
reduce,
not
expand
charge
but
to
reduce
the
amount
of
speaking
time.
If
we
have
40
people
speaking,
it
is
permissible
to
reduce
the
speaking
time
from
three
minutes
to
two
minutes.
For
example,
we
really
try
to
be
very
good
about
letting
people
know
they
have
three
minutes
to
speak
and
it's
been
really
helpful
to
give
them
one
minute
warning
and
Jorge
back
to
your
point.
B
I
think
we
have
I
mean
we
have
certainly
seen
fewer
virtual
commenters,
and
yet
it
is
really
important
to
still,
of
course,
maintain
that
in
a
hybrid
fashion
for
all
kinds
of
recent
Circle,
Group,
sexuality,
accessibility,
job.
C
B
Illness
whole
homes,
reasons
that
might
come
someone
to
want
to
come
in
virtually,
and
it
is
also
that
very
clock
cut
off
or
ritual
comments
is
part
of
the
need
to
understand
how
many
people
will
be
addressing
counsel
and
the
need
potentially
to.
A
Adjust
the
safety
time,
thank
you,
I
I
think
that's
awesome,
because
staff
means
times
email
that
link
to
everybody
who
signs
out
too.
So
that's
right,
but
I
agree
that
there's
the
cities
all
over
the
country
have
made
us
walk
to
all
kinds
of
hybrids,
so
any
researcher
Googling
you
want
to
do
on
how
public
family
has
done.
Other
places
I
feel
like
this
would
be
a
good
opportunity
to
see
if
we
can
improve
Financial
Network
anyway,
for
as
we
as
we
do.
This.
A
So,
as
we
do
have
virtual
commenters,
I
I
would
request
that,
whatever
expectations
we
have
for
in-person
conferences,
we
would
have
for
in-person
commenters
speaking
to
Tiffany's
statement
with
regards
to
having
a
commenters
of
knowledge
that
there
are
expectations
and
certain
processes
involved.
In
commenting
one
of
the
things
that
is
mentioned
that,
in
our
current
rules
and
procedure,
is
that
speakers
should
verbally
State
their
name
municipality
in
which
they
reside
the
name
of
the
group
they
represent
in
any.
C
A
I
have
one
question:
I
don't
know
if
this
is
necessary.
For
this
part
I'd
like
to
know
some
some
more
which,
because
we
you
know,
people
may
not
say
what
they
need
to
say
on
the
floor,
and
we
can
stop
them
from
saying
it.
But
I've
seen
some
emails
that
have
been
horrific
and
do
we
is
there
any
way
we
can
change
the
way
in
which
people
can
send.
C
A
There
are
legal
boundaries
in
terms,
obviously,
if
you
know
something
we're
threatening,
for
example,
in
a
public
safety
sense,
obviously
that
that
thing
has
to
be
illegal
and
actually
can
be
thinking
against
somebody
but
I
so,
but
I
believe
council's
ability
to
preemptively
limit
what
the
public
could
send
council
is
is
both
not
I,
wouldn't
legally
advise
doing
that,
and
I
also
believe
that
UW
would
actually
check
out
whether
they're
allowed
to
send
Council
before
they
send
them
into
Council.
Anyway.
A
Speaking
of
these
first
amendment,
Insurance,
obviously
the
extent
that
we
want
to
look
at
revising
Council
rules
of
procedure
in
terms
of
public
comment.
We
certainly
can,
and
there
are
things
that
Constitution.
Typically,
we
do
in
that
area
Beyond.
A
What's
the
council
rules
and
procedure
now,
but
they're
also,
certainly
our
first
amendment
constraints
on
the
city's
ability
to
to
limit
that
public
comment
to
be
clear,
we
don't
have
to
permit
public
health
I'm,
not
saying
the
person
that
it
requires
Council
to
regularly
hold
public
contact
at
every
meeting
or
anything
like
that.
What
I'm
saying
is
in
the
instances
where
we
designate
a
public
comment
period
and
say:
yes,
you
can
move
the
public
again
forward
and
speak.
A
We
are,
then
we,
the
city,
are
then
Limited
in
how
we
can
constrain
that
speech
right
and
so
to
remind
Council
Council
rules
of
procedure
already
say
that
public
comment
needs
to
be
provided
procedure.
I.
Think
that
says,
members
of
the
public
addressing
Council
shall
do
so
in
an
orderly
manner.
They
shall
not
shout.
We
spell
language,
grow
or
slam
anything
or
engage
in
any
other
form
of
disruptive
behavior
November
of
the
population
approach
physically.
This
means
that
approach
council
members
of
tribal
under.
E
A
And
was
invited
and
but
yeah
there
are
other
pieces
you
can
put
there,
but
you
do
need
to
be
very
careful.
We
need
to
be
very
careful
and
the
way
any
other
Provisions
are
written,
but
they're
not
including
prison.
Address
and
I'll
be
honest.
There
are
other
public
bodies
that
have
gone
very
clearly
over
that
line
and
some
of
their
rules
and
that's
not
a
smart
move
to
me.
A
Well,
I
just
know
that,
right
now
we
do
try
to
moderate
public
comment
and
I
was
just
wondering
the
ways
we
do
fall
under
that
kind
of
overreach,
because
I
think
that,
if,
as
long
as
we
codify
it
like
the
problem
is
that
it's
not
caught
about
it.
It's
not
made
like
as
a
public
announcement
at
the
beginning
of
public
comment,
so
I
think
people
aren't
really
sure
what
the
guideline
of
a
tone
is
so
just
being
able
to
even
set
the
tone,
rather
than
even
give
like
more
formal.
A
Yeah
good
point:
we
could
also
limit
sign
language
in
putting
in
the
chambers
about
you
know
when
you
sign
up.
How
do
you
sign
up
where
that's
something
oh
we'd
be
moving
out
of
this
building,
so
we
didn't
really
invest
in
a
lot
of
things.
We
could
look
at
something:
okay,
let's
try
to
get
through.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
time
left,
let's
see
if
we
can
go
through
anything
I.
A
A
I
mean
that's
what
it
said
on
here:
okay
sounds
fun:
okay,
it's
such
a
gender.
There
wasn't
anything
really
specific
that
were
very
important
reports
and
resolution.
The
only
thing
in
that
section
was
it
does
stay
in
our
rules
of
procedure
that
standing
committee
chairs
are
The
Giver
report
and
each
time
I
we've
never
done
that,
but
that
that's
not
been
the
practice,
but
so,
if
you're
not
going
to
do
it,
take
it
out
you're
going
to
leave
them.
E
We
all
know
for
the
previous
conversation
that
the
public
pays,
relatively
speaking,
more
attention
to
full
Council
meetings,
maybe
not
doesn't
have
a
bandwidth
to
sit
and
watch
the
three
hour
committee
meeting
as
well,
and
so
having
the
chairs
provide
a
succinct
report.
Whether
that
is
a
very
brief
written
report
or
a
human
World
Report
is
something
that
I
would
encourage
us
to
consider,
but
so
maybe
just
like
lagging
the
circular
discussion
at
CA.
That's
my
opinion
on
pattern.
A
I
promise
and
then
I
do
also
consent
agenda,
which
we
stand
over
and
good
luck
to
see
a
list
of
characteristics
of
what
items
end
up
on
incentives.
A
A
Right
new
business,
we
have
that
on
here,
I,
don't
know
whatever
ends
up
in
a
new
business,
it's
sort
of
like
and
we
might
as
well
just
call
it
miscellaneous
I
think
that's
what
ends
up
happening
like
things
that
either
don't
make
it
to
a
committee.
So
it's
just
something
we
could
either
think
about
or
re-label
again
not
super
important
for
tonight.
A
I
did
want
to
talk.
I've
got
some
feedback.
One
thing
that
does
seem
to
be
pretty
standard
practice
in
city
manager.
A
form
of
government
is
that
the
city
manager
provides
a
written
report.
I'll
do
it
in
the
back
end.
I
did
not
want
to
make
an
assumption.
A
That
was
something
that
Council
wanted,
but
it
does
seem
to
be
a
good
practice,
and
if
that
is
the
direction
that
you
want
to
go,
I
thought
it
would
be
helpful
to
get
some
feedback
from
all
of
you
and
are
there
things
that
you
would
like
to
see
included
in
a
student
group?
So
maybe
some
guidelines
for
that
could
be
put
together.
A
The
administrative
person
policy
crafting
and
so
I'm
curious
to
see
what
would
be
a
higher
level
responsibility
for
the
C
manager
and
they're
looking
for,
which
is
something
that
might
be
more
inclined
or
at
home.
An
elected
official
drafting
them.
D
A
Think
it's
a
good
question
and
I'm
wondering
if
there's
a
like
I
I,
don't
think
it
kind
of
slowly
often
get
a
controllers
report
so.
E
Is
it
similar
to
that
kind
of
overview,
dashboard.
A
A
A
I
think
if
we
had
had
a
Board
of
Public
Works
that
we
would
a
council
member
would
have
been
attending
received
on
a
monthly
basis,
sort
of
input
on
staffing
issues
that
different
departments
are
facing.
On
response
costs
are
going
out
of
certain
supplies,
supply
chain
issues
that
were
affecting
construction
projects
in
the
city.
All
of
that
information.
A
Whether
or
not
it's
police,
Advisory
Board
Parks
natural
areas,
City
Life,
they
would
also
have
been
getting
briefs
in
terms
of
again
challenges
of
different
staff
departments
were
facing.
So
if
those
advisory
boards
are
up
and
running,
then
perhaps
it's
not
as
essential,
but
until
that
point
I
would
look
to
the
city
manager
to
keep
us
abreast
again.
Staffing
issues,
labor
issues,
supply
chain
issues.
A
If
there
are
changes
coming
down
having
to
do
the
changes
to
the
New
York
State
Building
Code,
that's
going
to
change,
How
We,
Do
legislation,
changes
to
you
know
we
have
the
lead
in
Copper
War,
which
is
going
to
create
a
lot
of
administrative
burden
on
the
city.
But
again
we
aren't
getting
those
updates
either
through
pebc
or
CA,
and
we're
missing
the
ability
to
see
things
that
are
coming
down
under
queue
that
we
need
to
gear
up
for
either
in
terms
of
resources
as
far
as
staff
and
so
on.
Robert.
A
A
A
HR
report
every
month
and
that
report
is.
E
Driven
by
technically
any
member
of
council's
interest,
but
like
the
committee
members
will
feed
questions
and
maybe
that
informed
the
report
that
Shelly
then
provides
I
I,
wonder
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
Cindy
and
I
fully
agree:
I
I
wonder
if
there's
probably
some
logistical
challenges
to
the
city
manager
being
able
to
provide
a
comprehensive
overview
of
those
things
in
every
council
meeting
and
perhaps
we're
going
to
move
forward
on
that
is
to
adopt
a
similar
practice.
Where
you
know
the
mayor
collects
concerns
of
various
departments
or
or.
A
Workforce
issues
and
then
with
ample
lead
time
and
agenda
creation,
and
that
information
should
be
fed.
E
That,
because
absolutely
there's
a
lot
that
went
offline
during
covib
and
we
then
had
an
information
Channel
shut
down
on,
but
I
also
think
right.
Under
this
new
system,
one
of
our
responsibilities
is
elect.
Individuals
is
to
be
a
little
more
proactive,
the
oversight
piece
and
like
proactively
communicating
to
the
city
manager
like
hey,
I,
haven't
heard
about
XYZ.
Can
we
get
an
update
about
that
at
Council.
A
Maybe
so
I'm
really
I'd
like
to
see
a
city
manager
who
had
the
heartbeat
of
our
constituents,
someone
who
have
a
connection
and
know
what's
going
on
because
I
think
a
lot
of
times
as
we
missed
a
voice.
A
I
have
I
know
we
have
committees
in
this
and
that
and
stuff.
But
I
do
know
that
you
know
I
get
a
lot
of
calls
from.
C
A
A
You
know
and
report
that
this
is
what
I've
been
hearing
from
the
community,
so
this
community
that
Community
other
community-
and
these
are
some
of
the
steps
I'm
willing
to
take-
or
these
are
some
of
the
steps
I'm
willing
to
ask
their
representatives
to
focus
on
that-
is
something
I
like
to
see
because
yeah,
we
don't
talk
enough
about
the
people
who
voted
Us
in
right
and
those
are
not
always
the
people
who
sit
in
the
audience
or
the
people
who's
online
or
if
anyway,
I
could
go
on
one
but
really
yeah.
So.
B
C
A
B
You've,
given
really
good
reports,
activities
at
Southside,
Community
Center,
a
recipient
reports
based
on
their
liaison
assignments,
and
that's
really
good
for
all
of
council
and
the
public
to
hear
so.
E
Yeah
I
would
actually
argue
the
contrary.
I
think
it's
important
that
the
mayor,
the
in
communication
and
devote
and
so
to
the
community
at
large,
but
the
city
manager,
this
world
really
needs
to
be
analytical.
It's
about
the
growth
functions
of
governance,
ensuring
that
everything
is
proceeding
smoothly,
efficiently
and
without
question.
B
A
Again,
I
I
think
the
liaison
almost
what
I
think,
maybe
the
liaison
maybe
a
little
bit
better
reports
to
the
city
manager.
Oh,
however,
that
goes
because
I
don't
think
anybody
that
does
that
job
as
city
manager
or
mayor
needs
to
not
be
connected
to
the
community.
That
just
does
not
work.
We've
seen
it
for
years
and
years
and
years
that,
if
you're
not
connected
to
your
community,
you
do
not
give
them
their
due
diligence.
A
Anyway,
Communications
between
Council
and
staff,
there
are
a
number
of
good
examples
of
just
sort
of
how
Communications
pillow
works.
When
you
have
a
city
manager
structure
so
again
not
defining
what
that
is,
but
just
some
feedback
from
everyone
sort
of
like
what
could
or
should.
Communication
look
like
in
in
the
immune
system.
E
You
linked
us
to
the
County's
rules
and
procedure
and
I
think
from
again.
For
my
part,
that's
a
really
good
model
in
that
I'm.
Paraphrasing
essentially
two.
A
Types
of
like
common
I
think
one
is
like
routine
commonly
publicly
available
information,
yeah
yeah
those
types
of
requests
don't
have
to
and
they
provide.
E
Examples
so
I'd
encourage
you'll
just
look
at
what
those
examples
are,
but
those
don't
have
to
be
moderated
through
the
city
administrator.
A
I'm,
sorry
to
the
County
administrator
or
the
city
manager,
but
non-routine
sort
of
special
tasks
would
then
make
sure
that
they
include
the
city
manager
in
in
both
triaging
and
then
just
kind.
E
Of
like
monitoring
that
work,
product
and
I,
think
probably
that
also
ties
into
you
made
reference
earlier
to
like
a
lot
of
municipalities.
Have
you
know,
weekly
meetings
between
the
mayor
and
the
city,
manager
and
I
think
that's
also
a
good
practice
to
help.
C
Facilitate
this
exact
you.
A
A
I
have
this
is
the
one
thing
I
have
serious
concerns
about:
maybe
I'm
not
understanding
it
correctly,
but
right
now,
I'm
talking
to
the
city
Forester
about
one
issue
on
South
Hill
I
need
to
talk
to
water
manager
about
another
issuer
on
South.
Hill
I
occasionally
thought
that
I
can
be
about
situations
in
the
First
Ward.
A
If,
if
I
have
to
wait
and
go
through
the
city
manager
to
do
that
and
there's
nine
other
common
council
members
who
also
have
issues
we
have
to
go
through
the
same
manager
to
do
all
these
things,
I
don't
see
how
that's
possible.
How
can
the
city
manager
even
have
enough
time
to
to
do
all
those
things
and
what?
If
what?
If
they
decide
that
well,
I'm,
not
gonna
I'm,
not
going
to
talk
to
the
chief
of
police
about
that?
What
resources
that
give
us
I.
B
A
I
think
that
there
is
a
distinction
between
asking
for
information
or
clarification
of
an
issue
and
directing
the
work
of
staff,
and
so
I
think
that's
all
this
is
meant
to
do
is
to
help
clarify
staff.
Members
are
going
to
be
respectful
and
responsive
to
council
members
because
of
the
status
that
council
members
have,
but
you
can
imagine
what
could
happen
when
Rob
calls
Gene,
Grace
and
says
this
is
tree.
A
Is
awful
this
this
get
rid
of
the
street
wherever
and
then
you
call
it
being
a
princess
tree
is
so
beautiful,
I
hope
it
never
goes
away
right,
so
I
think
that's
the
kind
of
that's
what
we're
trying
to
not
not
necessarily
clean
up,
but
none
of
none
of
this
is
meant
to
say
we
should
not
have
interactions
with
that.
The
city
is
only
going
to
be
well
run.
We
have
really
good
relationships
between
council
members
and
team
manager
and
staff.
A
So
if,
if
the
policy
and
the
information,
if
you,
if
the
council
as
a
body,
wants
something
to
happen-
and
they
actually
really
go
through
some
manager,
if
you
want
to
get
information
about
box
elder
bugs
or
whatever
from
jeans,
absolutely
nothing
that
would
prevent
any
council
member
from
asking
for
the
nation
and
I
think
Robert
just
brought
up
a
good
point
where
there's
good
clarification
in
the
accounting
thing
was
about
asking
for
routine
information
is
different
from
directing
staff
to
do
specific
work.
Does
that
make
sense.
A
Because
I
think
I
wanna
well
I
want
to
like
address
in
that
right.
So
the
County's
rules
don't
say.
A
The
request
all
suggesting
here
is
for
the
non-routine
projects
right
things
require
additional
work,
that
they're
just
a
hobby.
You
still
would
directly
contact
the
department
head
in
question.
It's
just
saying:
keep
them
looped
in
so
that,
in
the
event
that
there
is
oh,
it
airs
into
Council
accidentally
directing
staff
to
do
something
that
the
city
manager
can
they
go
to
the
mayor,
and
then
they
can
moderate
that
that
challenge,
but.
B
B
And
we
don't
want,
we
don't
want
to
council
weighing
in
council.
Members
are
not.
B
A
City
Forest
airport
I'm
not
suggesting
that
Council
should
tell
staff
how
to
do
their
jobs
right.
I'm,
not
suggesting
that
at
all,
but
Council
needs
to
be
able
to
speak
with
staff
about
problems,
they've
learned
about
and
their
order
on
the
place
of
the
city.
They
shouldn't
have
to
wait
to
go
through
the
city
manager
and
hope
that
that
city
manager
relays
their
message
and
who
knows
if
domestic
fits
relayed
accurately,
and
maybe
that's
not
what
we're
talking
about,
but
I
think
if
we
need
to
avoid
that
yeah
I
think
we're
talking
about.
B
A
B
A
Do
want
to
make
the
point
that
the
city
manager
will
be
responsible
for
working
with
department
heads
so
when
it
comes
to
remember
it
has
a
concern
goes
through
the
city
managers
may
work
directly
with
the
council
members
and
with
the
specifically,
an
accountability
should
stop
with
the
city
manager
as
well
too.
So,
if
there's
a
problem
that
you've
brought
to
the
attention
of
staff
and
city
manager-
and
you
feel
that
it
hasn't
been
addressed
as
a
council
member,
you
should
be
able
to
say,
I
brought
this
up
two
or
three
times.
A
What's
the
status
of
the
story
is
because
it's
helping
to
create
a
good
system
of
accountability,
I,
don't
think
anything
that
we've
provided
as
examples
that
we're
trying
to
talk
about
is,
is
trying
to
limit
or
or
throttle
I
think
it's
more
of
a.
How
do
we
Loop
in
so
that
I
mean
you
can
imagine
sort
of
what
currently
happens?
Is
multiple
council
members
contacting
multiple
different
people
in
Department,
asking
them
very
various
different
things
right,
so
we're
trying
to
just
clean
up
our?
A
We
are
communicating
workland
and
work
well,
information,
I!
Don't
think
anyone
is
suggesting
that
a
council
member
should
not
have
good
ongoing,
constant
interactions
with
the
staff
of
the
state
or
whatever
it
is
the
how's.
Your
relationship
with
staff
will
be
through
the
city
that
doesn't
mean
that
it
will
be
approved
by
the
city
manager.
What
it
means
is
you
want
to
make
sure
this
new
monitor
is
moved
into.
What's
going
on
great.
D
D
Say
that
during
the
community
is
so
vague
here
that
it's
that's,
where
some
of
the
stuff's
coming
up
when
I
read
Communications
between
Council
and
staff,
I
understood
it
like
picking
up
the
phone.
Well,
you
know
asking
a
clarifying
question
or
something
like
that.
So
as
this
gets
worked
out,
I
think
we
need
to
tighten
up
the
language
there.
What.
A
We
could
do
is,
if
you
look
at
so
in
the
memo.
There
are
links
to
three
different
examples
of
what
a
section
looks
like
that
talks
about
how
you
design,
good,
robust,
two-way,
ongoing
communication.
I
think
all
the
point
of
this
is
is
to
make
sure
that
staff
are
not
confused
about
where
their,
where
direction
for
their
work
is
coming
from.
That's
really
the
overarching
purpose
of
this
conversation.
A
A
The
yeah-
these
are
some
things
that
are
not
currently
in
your
rules
of
procedure,
but
that
have
been
flagged
as
possible.
Things
I
want
to
have
a
small
discussion
on
the
budget
process
as
well,
and
we're
sort
of
at
eight
o'clock
and
everyone
willing
to
stay
like
15,
more
minutes,
yeah
okay,
so
we
talked
a
little
bit
about
this
Committee
of
the
whole.
A
There
are
lots
of
other
models.
Sometimes
there
are
work
sessions,
study
sessions,
Etc
some
councils
host
what
they
call
Town
Home
meetings,
that's
just
another
way
to
get
at
actually
a
good
example
of
it
was
during
covid
when
the
county
was
doing
just
sort
of
some
semi-regular
updates
on
what
was
going
on.
What
sort
of
just
a
meeting
where
the
wound
is
different
staff
would
provide
information
on
a
particular
topic,
and
then
you
could
email
a
question
in
just
a
different,
different
way
of
engaging
around
a
particular
topic.
A
So
it's
just
things
to
look
into
things.
To
consider.
Other
rules
of
procedures
have
just
different
examples
of
how
Council
convenes
around
certain
things
like
not
specifically
for
voting.
So
if
anyone
wants
to
take
a
look
at
some
of
those
foods
that
make
some
recommendations,
you
can
bring
them
through
the
CA
meeting.
We
don't
have
anything
that
addresses
legal
holidays
freely
at
all
and
I'm
only
bringing
this
up,
because
I
want
to
ensure
that
we're
we're
not
inadvertently
being
discriminatory
of
particular
religious
holidays
or
any
other
issues.
A
So
we
should
probably
find
some
language
that
prescribes
what
happens
when
a
standing
council
meeting
occurs
on
a
holiday
and
then
we
should
probably
have
some
kind
of
agreement
around
what
what
are
the
holidays?
You
know
what
are
the
there's.
You
know
if
we're
going
to
say
religious
observances,
then
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
being
as
inclusive
as
possible
as
to.
A
And
there's
many
many
other
rooms
of
procedure,
that
sort
of
say:
if
the
meeting
Falls
on
a
holiday,
then
it's
the
Tuesday
before
or
whatever
we
kind
of
tend
to
just
put
the
yearly
calendar
out
and
then
scramble
around
once
we
realize
oh
gosh,
that's
on
a
holiday
right,
so
I
would
just
think
it
would
be
better
for
us
to
come
up
with
in
language,
but
I
never
wants
to
be
big
into
young
about
it.
But
what
I'm
seeing
heads
nodding?
Are
you
all
kind
of
thinking
that
something
that's
a
good
idea?
A
Okay,
several
of
the
other
procedure
have
sort
of
a
definition
section
that
has
our
old
mayor
roles
of
Council
of
roles,
including
manager,
there's
lots
of
eventos
of
it.
If
that's
something
that
you
want
to
do,
you
can
put
that
in
many
of
the
other
rules
procedure
have
both
conduct
in
them.
You
don't
necessarily
have
anything
like
that.
We
have
a
little
bit
of
language
that
talks
about
it
and
just
to
remind
everyone.
A
We
also
some
something
else
that
we'll
we'll
see
in
some
of
the
other
examples
are
that
they
have
a
code
of
conduct
and
then
a
code
of
ethics.
So
we
do
have
a
code
of
ethics.
We
I
references
there,
this
chapter
55,
but
we
don't
make
specific
specific
reference
to
it
in
the
rules
of
procedure
and
that's
something
you
could
do
and
then
a
lot
of
other
cities
have
specific
language,
around
commitment
to
equity
or
looking
decision
making
through
Equity
lens
Etc
that
are
specifically
applicable
to
like
the
actions
of
common
Council.
A
So
there
are
some
examples
of
that,
also
like
somebody.
If
anyone
would
like
to
see
something
like
that
added
to
the
music
procedure
or
movement
food,
so
I
think
that
was
it
for
the
rules
of
procedure
except
for
the
budget
process.
So
any
final
thoughts
on
anything,
that's
missing
and
again
the
rest.
This
work
is
now
going
to
sort
of
move
back
to
City,
Administration
committee
and
kind
of
be
done
through
through
that
process.
So
maybe
I
just
wanted
to
know
when
you
say
Define
commitment
to
equity.
What
does
that
mean.
A
I'll,
send
it
to
you,
but,
like
so
an
example
of
it
would
be
decision
making
process
and
you
know,
is
there
an
equity
lens
around
the
alternating
process?.
A
B
A
Them
so
this
is
sort
of
how
we
currently
work.
The
big
the
biggest
difference.
Moving
forward
for
the
budget
process
will
be
that
it
will
no
longer
be
the
mayor's
budget
that
is
presented
to
council
it'll,
be
the
city
manager's
budget
that
is
presented
to
council,
including
the
mayor.
So
this
is
what
we
do
now.
We
kind
of
in
February
March
we
set
meeting
days.
We
do
capital
projects
mayor
since
the
budget,
Etc
so
sort
of
put
together
what
a
budget
timeline.
Credit
look
like
under
the
new
procedure.
A
The
I
also
included,
there's
about
10
or
12
different
examples
of
budget
processes.
Look
like
at
cities
that
have
city
managers,
there's
a
number
of
examples,
most
of
them
book
and
the
budget
process,
with
heavy
involvement
from
mayor
to
council
and
the
public
at
the
beginning
of
the
process
and
then
having
involvement
of
mayor
council
on
the
public
at
the
end
of
the
process.
So
that's
sort
of
what
I
think
would
make
sense
for
us
to
talk
about
about
a
relation
process
more.
A
So
this
was
just
a
very
again
high
level
overview
of
what
sort
of
a
progression
could
look
like
from
January
and
March.
We
look
for
feedback
from
the
public.
Many
of
the
examples
include
very
specific
priorities
and
directives
that
are
given
to
the
city
manager
about
focusing
on
priorities,
and
then
many
of
these
examples
also
have
like
what
it
what
the
county
does.
A
Is
they
sort
of
have
a
budget
retreat
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
and
add
that
budget
Retreat
they're,
given
some
sort
of
Base
like
the
financial
forecast
of
the
county
and
the
times,
and
then
the
legislators
will
decide
on
what
sort
of
your
base
budget
guideline
is,
and
then
the
majority
of
the
time
when
they
deliberate
is
essentially
they'll
liberate,
mostly
on
over
targets.
So
if
a
department
puts
a
budget
in
and
it
meets
the
base
budget
guidelines
that
were
set
by
council
at.
A
Sort
of
the
standard
model
of
what
it
looks
like
there
are
some
other
things
that
we
could
look
at
doing.
We
could
look
at
doing
a
survey
of
residents
and
constituents.
We
could
look
at
having
additional
budget
information
sessions,
so
the
public
is
a
little
more
informed
about
how
taxpayer
dollars
are
spent.
If
you
do
that,
we
could
do
a
budget
retreat
at
the
beginning
of
the
year
where
some
of
these
based
budget
guidelines
and
priorities
are
set,
and
we
could
also
take
a
look
at
you
know.
C
A
I,
just
simply
bought
a
couple
of
slides
together
in
2015.
We
actually
did
start
to
move
in
this
direction
as
a
city,
several
Retreats,
some
of
the
Retreats
actually
included
senior
staff,
came
up
with
these
strategic
things,
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we
dust
these
off.
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
we've
come
and
started
down
this
pathway
once
before,
and
it's
something
we
could
take
a
look
at
and
moving
forward
and
I
wanted
to
show
you
what
this
looks
like
in
another
city.
That
does
something
similar.
A
So
some
of
the
examples
like
this
is
Alexandria
Virginia.
So
what
this
is?
The
council
has
a
retreat
and
they
kind
of
set
the
priorities
for
the
manager,
and
then
the
city
manager
moves
through
a
year
with
the
fiscal
priorities
and
then
also
sort
of
the
issue
priorities
and
then
there's
an
expectation
that
this
manager
were
to
give
sort
of
over
the
court.
This
is
another
way
that
sometimes
city
managers
structure
the
monthly
report
that
they
give
to
council
it's
kind
of
in.
A
If
there
are
buckets
of
priorities
that
have
been
set
by
Council
sort
of
the
the
road
map
or
the
directive
to
the
zoo
manager
for
the
year,
then
the
report-
the
monthly
reports
throughout
the
year,
could
give
potentially
give
updates
on
what
some
of
those
buckets
are.
So
and
then
this
is
just
an
example
of
so
you'll
see.
These
are
all
the
different
buckets.
So
you
see,
one
of
them
is
a
portable
housing.
A
So
then
this
is
a
way
that
the
city
manager
reflected
what
was
done
specifically
from
the
sort
of
financial
or
fiscal
income,
affordable
housing.
This
is
you
know,
one
of
the
directions
from
obviously
Council
that
year
was
to
take
a
look
at
compensation
for
staff,
and
this
is
the
report
on
on
compensation
for
them.
A
So
these
are
just
examples
of
how
it
can
work
so
I'm
going
to
go
back
to
this
slide
and
just
put
the
remaining
time
that
we
have
just
looking
for
feedback
on
what
a
budget
process
could
look
like,
knowing
that
this
will
be
pretty
pretty
different.
Moving
forward.
E
Thanks
Tim
CA
in
terms
of
the
book
ending
and
I,
think
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense,
I.
Think
not
necessarily,
in
addition
to
anything
here.
E
By
Council
or
understanding
by
council
is
not
necessarily
someone
from
the
operating
budget,
but
I
think
we're
pretty
well
accustomed
to
that
process,
but
the
capital
budget,
but
that
being
our
like
most
significant
financial
outlays,
you
know
I
think
like
15
of
our
budget
goes
to
the
dead
service
and
obviously
those
are
like
major
major
projects
in
it.
Right
now,
right,
that's
that's
handled
by
our
achievement
official,
which
is
the
mayor,
and
that.
A
Right
yeah
I
mean
just
some
kind
of
a
follow-up
to
what
Robert's
Direction
forward
here,
and
this
is
where
I
had
a
big
contingency
management
model,
because
I'm
very
hesitant
about
moving
us
to
a
position
where
a
non-elected
official
of
the
city
is
in
charge
of
a
draft
in
the
initial
budget.
A
I
think
I'm
a
little
concerned
with
that
model
in
a
sense
that
I
feel
like
it.
It
sort
of
monies
of
waters
and
starts
merging
into
the
sort
of
policy
development,
because
I
do
believe
that
the
budget
is
the
value
statement
of
the
city
and
in
the
Deep
really
of
that.
I
think
is
something
that.
E
Should
really
be
heavily
involved
with
molecular
officials,
and
so
I'm.
A
Very
happy
to
see
benchmarks
for
Council
setting
priorities
to
best
informed
those
individually.
How
to
execute
it.
But
I
think
that
those
needs
to
be
really
really
defined
and
clear
and.
A
A
legislative
body
because
I
do
believe
that
that's
a
layer,
that's
a
really
important
that
I
don't
really
uncomfortable
with
as
a
separation
room
debris
of
separation
from.
E
A
A
That
but
I
just
do
think
that,
like
the
setting
of
that
on
that
agenda
is
a
very
important
part
of
defining
how
that
conversation,
and
that
back
and
forth
goes,
and
so
any
sort
of
sort
of
concession
of
that,
in
this
case,
a
large
recession
of
that
two
decision
manager
is
a
big
big
part
of
that,
and
so
putting
as
many
sort
of
stock
gaps
or
or
oversight
avenues
for
oversight
and
Direction
by
the
website
by
is
really
important.
That
leads
to
me,
as
a
member.
A
A
They
are
not
Social,
Service
delivery,
they're,
not
mental
health.
These
are
County
responsibilities
and
if
we
start
trying
to
do
what
the
county
does,
which
we've
sort
of
started,
doing
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
pay
for
our
infrastructure
and
our
employees,
which
are
at
this
point
in
time,
is
our
primary
responsible.
A
You
look
at
the
same
budget
to
provide
water
treatment,
wastewater
treatment,
storm
water
management,
sidewalks,
Rose,
Building,
Inspections,
fire
police
planning,
redo,
administer
iura
funds
that
gets
the
home
and
headphones
or
can
go
to
more
social
services,
but
that
is
actually
a
part.
It's
separate
from
the
city
budget.
So
when
you're
looking
at
like
legislative
priorities,
I
guess
for
the
budget
for
me
is
often
like.
Okay
well,
instead
of
replacing
our
water
line
at
like.
A
Let's
invest
in
our
water
infrastructure
so
to
to
and
I
might
be
exaggerating
just
slightly,
but
not
much.
It's
a
reference
point
right.
One
thing
that
would
help
in
terms
of
setting
in
terms
of
our
Capital
priorities
is
which
we
haven't
had
a
chance
to
do
because
of
covet
and
other
things.
What
is
our
Five-Year
Plan,
four
or
whatever
means
our
base
coordinators,
our
roads,
which
are
in
terrible
shape
yeah
all
we
need
to
have
those
Capital
plans,
those
fighter
plans
for
what
Parks
and
Recreation
through
Services
all
of
those
buildings.
A
Then
we
can
look
at
all
of
them
and
say:
okay,
we're
gonna
have
to
make
something
believe
that
decisions,
but
instead
of
looking
at
from
a
dollar
standpoint
which
I
hear
your
point,
it
is
about
that
Investments
now,
because
you
have
to
make
those
tough
decisions.
Okay,
what
are
you
going
to
do?
First,
because
all
of
our
infrastructure
is
aging
and
as
weather
gets
more
severe.
A
Okay,
the
impacts
on
that
infrastructure
is
making
exponential
damage
or
infrastructure,
so
we
have
to
plan
for
the
future.
So
yes
to
your
statement
but
I
think
leading
that
input
from
all
of
the
Departments
about
verifying
your
plans
and
their
needs
in
the
future
is
the
only
way
we
can
keep
that
in
context.
A
When
I
hear
comments
about
our
Focus
shouldn't
be
on
just
making
sure
the
city
run
without
thinking
about
the
people
who
put
me
in
these
seats
and
they'll
welcome
you,
and
that
is
basically
left
up
to
the
accounting
for
their
to
make
sure
that
they're,
okay,
that
really
is
not
sit
right
for
me
that
don't
sit
right
for
me
and
we
are
spending
their
money
to
make
sure
that
this
city
runs
it.
A
Is
they
money
that
we
are
using
so
I'm
a
little
concerned,
and
maybe
that
that
means
a
lot
to
me
that
that
is
where
I'm
sitting
in
and.
A
Yeah
we
have
some
pretty
old
buildings
in
this
community
and
some
stuff
that
need
to
be
fixed
up,
or
we
have
some
communities
that
have
been
moved
out
of
their
housing
gentrified
and
maybe
maybe
that
I
came
on
the
wrong
board.
Baby
I
need
to
go
over
to
the
county
yeah.
You
write
it.
Yeah
I,
see
you
shaking
your
head,
but
as
long
as
I
sit
at
this
Council
I'ma
remind
y'all
of
why
they
put
you
in
here
and
that's
why
many
of
them
are
crumbling.
Like
Chestnut,
Village,.
A
A
That
we
not
get
into
okay.
On
that
topic
of
being
a
conversation,
the
city
also
pays
for
Lewis
girl,
Gucci
act.
We
contribute
money
to
South
Side.
We
support,
affordable
housing.
Any
way
we
can
and
tags
is.
A
West
Village
is
a
privately
owned
property
and,
and
they
have
problems
and
Chestnut
has
problems
they're
both
in
the
First,
Ward,
Snoopy
and
I
are
very
much
aware
of
the
problems
there.
A
A
A
Don't
think
that
we
should
have
open
season
on
my
every
night.
I
do
that
Council
should
obtain
that
it
does
make
sense
a
lot
of
them
just
administrative
stuff,
and
so
you
should
just
have
the
executive
Administration
execute
for
doing
that,
and
so,
but
for
that,
20
or
whatnot
I
do
believe.
It's
important
that
we
maintain
as
much
the
ability
to
a
set.
A
Those
priorities
with
the
latency
is
sort
of
outlined
here
and
and
B
have
as
much
input
and
sort
of
setting
that
Foundation
of
how
they're
going
to
discuss
that,
because
so
much.
As
has
been
said
how
our
budget
runs
up,
gets
predetermined
and
how
it's
drafted
and
so
maintaining
as
much
legislative
control
over
that
as
you're
saying
about
20
that
that
we
might
have
a
little
bit
more.
C
A
Anything
wrong,
honestly,
that
that
is
what
this
says
like
in
the
city.
Management
will
be
directed
to
put
a
budget
together,
based
on
what
council
said
in
that
first
chapter,
that
first
block
right.
So
she
would
even
tell
the
city
manager
our
priority
is
housing
and
this
and
this
and
this
and
they
need
to
go
away
and
build
a
budget
that
is
at
the
direction
of
the
mayor
encounter
so
because
I'm
degree
it
almost
has
a
better
a
better
process
than
now.
E
Endorse
this,
this
proposed
budget
timeline,
given
the
changing
roles
as
compared
to
what
we
currently
do,
because
we
as
a
body
should
be
thinking
about
our
legendary
Ram.
Then
we
intend
to
like
you
know,
like
survive,
October
and
then
not
think
about
it.
For
a
while
and
so
I
think
this
is
a
really
strong
model
and
I.
A
Think
it's
of
course,
many
of
the
things
we
talked
about
tonight
are
going
to
rely
heavily
on
the
collaboration
between
the
two
well,
it's.
A
Make
some
things
and
that
help
that,
because.
A
B
There's
a
lot
of
material,
that's
been
shared,
so
I
encourage
the
outset,
encourage
counsel
to
look
at
all
the
links.
Look
at
the
examples
that
have
been
provided
there
will.
A
Be
further
discussion,
months
away
and
visit
with
stuff
for
those
Council
yeah
I
just
want
to
remind
you,
I
want
to
go
back
to
this.
We
just
wanted
to
review
what's
coming
up
next
and
then
ask
for
your
information
to
change
some
topics.
So
I
don't
know
if
you
already
wanted
to
go
over.
B
That
sure
this
was
realized
a
bit
and
I
had
communication.
With
a
few
of
you
on
June
14,
we
will
be
diving
into
city
managers
and
process
will
be.
A
B
And
then
July
12th
a
special
budget
meeting
to
look
at
specific
topics.
Cynthia
mentioned
Board
of
Public
Works.
It
was
mentioned
earlier
question
about
Deputy
city
manager.
So
looking
at
a
structure
of
the
city
manager
and
the
mayor's
departments,
those.
A
Yeah,
just
a
third
by
FCA,
we
had
originally
sorted
Staffing
and
structure
of
mayor's
farmingtons
and
the
Florida
Public
Works
conversation
on
at
the
June
14th
meeting
and
I
think
we're
just
adding
this.
It's
okay
to
separate
those
out
and
then
have
the
those
two
conversations
at
the
first
special
budget
meeting,
we've
already
sent
from
Germany.
E
Say
you
know
I
think
as
Cynthia
and
Georgia
so
very
plainly
today.
Good
governance
is
the
quest
to
serve
necessity
and
it
seems
to
me
there's
a
clear
necessity
in
having
this
job
description
for
the
city
manager.
Otherwise,
to
discuss
here
tonight
is
essentially
a
move
point.
The
best
cake
spent
a
lot
of
time
to
do
a
reasonable
search
to
produce
candidates.
Candidate
people
for
an
office
like
this
I
think
it
would
be
unacceptable
to
not
have
choices
when
the
time
comes.
A
A
Jim,
we
are
not
installing
a
moving
forward,
we're
working
with
a
consultant
who
has
considerable
experience
in
this
area.
B
We've
invited
Council
to
respond
to
the
survey.
There
are
lots
of
examples
that
we're
drawing
on
as
the
bill.
A
Lead
position
description.
We
do
not
currently
have
a
final
Exposition,
as
was
mentioned
at
the
outset
of
this
meeting,
so
there
will
be
more
discussion
by
this
Council,
and
certainly
that
will
be
the
case
so.
E
A
Structure
will
further
look
a
lot
and
pass
the
referendum
transition
on
January
1st,
so
the
city
definitely
needed
the
city
manager
on
January
1st,
but
there
is
nothing
to
defend
Council
from
the
point
of
going
on
into
a
basis.
Let's
say
a
city
manager
already
serves.
You
know
the
city
manager
is
higher
than
by
everybody
kind
of
guns.
On
the
first
place
or
to
say
you
know
we
actually
selected
a
long-term
city
manager,
yet
maybe
one
of
those
points
person
so
and
so
to
do
this
for
the
next
six
months.