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A
It's
working
great
thanks
thanks.
Everybody
welcome
to
a
special
medium
common
council
on
today
september,
9th
2020.,
this
one
to
discuss
specifically
the
budget
and
the
budget
process
demo
on
off.
As
the
chair
of
the
budget
committee
is
typically
the
chair
of
budget
committee
meetings,
but
this
is
not
actually
technically.
This
is
a
preview
of
the
budget,
so
once
we
get
into
october,
deb
will
take
over
sharing
those
meetings.
A
I
will
actually
ask
so
I'll
ask
steve
just
to
give
us
an
overview
of
our
financials
at
this
point
and
to
discuss
the
process
briefly
before
I
do
that
I'll
to
walk
us
through
the
timeline,
if
that's
possible
the
the
schedule
of
meetings,
but
for
those
who
don't
know
the
members
of
the
public
who
are
watching
here's
how
our
budget
process
works,
some
of
you
maybe
were
able
to
make
our
special
meeting
last
month
where
we
went
over
this,
but
each
year
the
mayor,
in
this
case
me
asked
the
department
heads
to
put
together.
A
I
started
recommendations
hold
on.
Let
me
turn
my
light
off
myself.
A
A
set
of
recommendations
that
will
once
compiled
make
up
the
mayor's
proposed
budget,
so
this
year
I
asked
for
two
different
scenarios:
both
of
them
assume
losses
of
revenue,
one
small
to
moderate,
the
other
large
because
of
the
pandemic,
and
then
over
the
course
of
the
summer.
The
city
controller,
the
chief
of
staff
and
I
work
with
the
department
heads-
ask
them
questions
about
their
budget
submissions
and
cobble
together
our
get
best
presentation
for
a
budget
that
will
allow
our
city
to
operate
next
year,
I'll
present
that
budget
next
month.
B
A
Seven
thank
you
october,
7th,
at
the
normal
council
meeting
council
then
has
just
over
a
month
to
hold
a
series
of
meetings
to
question
department
heads
to
hear
from
members
of
the
public
about
their
budget
priorities,
and
then
council
votes
in
november
to
adopt
a
budget
which
takes
effect
january
1st
2021
and
will
guide
the
city
of
ithaca
spending
fall
that
year.
A
Now
we
over
the
years
have
found
that
that
month
is
not
quite
enough
time.
So
we've
tried
to
hold
meetings
like
this,
where
we
can
discuss
certain
budget
topics
this
one,
this
budget
topic
is
sorry.
Chief
parsons
is
not
like.
All
I
hear
are
people
going
down
green
street.
This
one
is
about
capital
projects,
so
capital
projects
are,
of
course,
largely
infrastructure
spending
things
that
we
borrow
money
to
buy,
and
it's
mostly
infrastructure,
though,
as
we'll
see
today,
as
we
talk
our
way
through
the
packet,
there
are
some
exceptions.
A
This
was
not
a
meeting
where
decisions
will
be
made
about
the
capital
projects.
All
that
we'll
do
is.
We've
now
sent
the
council
what
the
capital
projects
review
committee
there's
a
committee.
That's
made
up
of
myself.
The
city
controller,
the
chief
of
staff,
the
superintendent
of
public
works,
the
director
of
planning.
C
A
Yeah
we
work
to
put
together
a
set
of
recommendations.
We
now
have
those
recommendations,
so
they
are
subject
to
change
between
now
and
next
month.
When
I
make
my
final
recommendation
to
council,
this
is
council's
first
shot
at
seeing
all
of
them.
So
this
is
a
good
time
to
ask
questions.
It's
also
a
good
time
to
write
down
questions
that
you
might
have
for
department
heads
who
are
not
here
right
now,
but
would
be
able
to
answer
between
now
and
next
month.
B
I
don't
think
we've
done
that
yet
so
I
we
don't
have
we
have
the
dates,
but
we
haven't
put
departments
into
those
dates.
Yet
so
the
presentation
will
be
the
7th
and
then
the
14th
15th,
22nd,
28th
29th
of
october
are
the
dates.
I
think
what
we
usually
wait
is
to
see
how
the
budget
shapes
out
a
little
bit
get
a
sense
of
who
needs
what
kind
of
conversation.
So
then
we
can
pull
that
together
and
then
see
normally
we're
working
around
either
vacation
times
or
whatnot.
A
Great,
thank
you
deb
yep
now
so
steve,
just
a
brief
overview
of
you
know.
Each
month
you
give
us
where
we
stand
now
we're
just
a
month
out
from
budget
season.
So
if
you
want
to
deliver
the
grim
news.
D
Yeah
yeah
I
don't
like
to,
but
I
guess
that's
my
job
these
days.
Sadly
yeah
thanks,
so
you
know
usually
at
this
time,
I'm
in
a
little.
I
guess
a
little
farther
ahead.
I
would
say
with
the
budget
development,
but
this
year
obviously
is
very,
is
very
weird
and
different
and
challenging
and
all
those
things.
D
So
you
know
we
continue
to
wait
for
information
from
all
kinds
of
sources,
and
it
just
seems
like
it's
taking
forever
to
get
here.
So
you
know
we
want
to
try
to
put
together
a
budget
that
makes
sense
based
on
all
the
information
we
have
at
hand.
D
So
you
know,
I
guess
we're
kind
of
waiting
to
the
last
very
last
minute
to
make
sure
we
have
everything
that
we
know
about
to
develop
this
budget
for
next
year,
but
so
I'm
going
to
give
you
what
I
know
at
this
point
in
time
I'll
try
to
make
it
brief.
So
I
don't
put
everybody
to
sleep
because
I
know
we
have
a
capital
project
topic
to
to
go
in
detail
with
here
shortly
so
quickly,
state
aid.
I've
talked
about
this
before
we
still
haven't
heard
anything
from
new
york
state
last.
D
We
know
and
knew
that
they
were
looking
at
cuts
about
20
percent.
That's
what
we're
going
to
go
with
at
this
point
in
time.
We
can't
really
wait
any
longer,
of
course,
if
they
do
come
out
with
something
next
few
weeks
we'll
make
that
change.
But
for
us
that
means
about
a
522
000
reduction
in
2020.
D
We're
also
going
to
reflect
that
same
20
percent
cut
next
year,
so
it'll
again
mean
another
522
thousand
dollars
that
we
have
to
find
a
federal
aid,
not
holding
our
breath.
That
doesn't
look
like
that's
going
to
be
coming
to
us
at
any
time
soon,
so
we're
not
going
to
count
on
that
or
bank
on
that
we
know.
Cornell
students
are
back,
and
so
that
is
helping
the
local
economy.
Hopefully,
hopefully,
sales
tax
will
reflect.
D
D
Where
they
have
to
be
sent
home,
so
we're
hoping
for
that
so
sales
tax,
quick,
look
at
sales
tax.
Currently
we
are
15
percent
lower
if
you're
comparing
the
same
time
period
to
2019
and
that's
about
a
two
million
or
one
hundred
and
one
million
three
hundred
thousand
dollar
reduction.
At
this
point
in
time.
D
Our
last
payment
was
about
fourteen
point
three
percent
lower,
so
I
have
been
estimating
that
the
third
quarter
is
going
to
be
looking
at
a
twenty
percent
reduction,
so
hopefully
we're
under
that
number.
That
would
be
helpful
and
I
also
believe
I
was
looking
at
about
a
17
reduction
in
the
fourth
quarter.
So
hopefully
those
numbers
are
a
little
high
and
we
can
come
in
better
than
my
estimates
at
this
point
in
time.
D
Our
next
payment
is
next
week
and
so
we'll
see
most
of
that
activity
for
next
week
is
all
related
to
july.
So
we
have
started
to
see
an
uptick.
D
The
good
thing
there
is
that
we
have
now
put
the
the
rates
are
now
back
to
the
normal
rates
of
the
dollar,
fifty
and
also
the
garages
without
the
free
parking,
so
that
should
help
our
revenue
source
in
this
area
throughout
the
rest
of
the
the
rest
of
the
year.
D
Building
and
planning
department
revenue
still
one
of
the
definitely
one
of
the
bright
spots
that
we
find
ourselves
in
our
collections.
D
Today
we
have
now
collected
138
percent
of
our
2020
budget,
so
we've
collected
a
million
seven
hundred
thirty
five
thousand
dollars.
That's
the
good
news,
the
other
building
fees.
That's
only
on
permits
the
other
building
fees
were
down
about
219
000,
so
still,
including
all
the
revenues
there
were
still
up
about
993
000.
So
can
it
continues
to
be
a
very
good
area?
D
The
development
and,
as
we
look
forward
to
forecast,
continues
to
be
very
promising
in
that
area
on
the
furlough
side
as
far
as
payroll
is
concerned
and
payroll
lags
a
little
bit
the
actual
people
on
payroll
and
the
cost
that
that
generates
lag
a
little
bit
from
the
authorizations.
D
You
know
people
get
authorized
to
go
back
on
payroll,
but
it
may
take
a
week
or
two
before
they're
actually
on
there.
So
we
have
now
brought
back
66
employees
to
date
and
we
still
have
roughly
16
or
so
employees
on
furlough.
Some
employees
have
decided
to
retire
at
this
point
in
time,
so
that
savings
obviously
will
be
will
impact
us
a
little
bit
as
well.
D
So
to
date
we
are,
we
have
seen
923
thousand
dollars
in
savings
as
a
result
of
the
employees
that
we
put
on
furlough,
so
that
that
program
was
obviously
we're,
taking
advantage
of
the
the
better
benefit
for
employees
that
we're
on
furlough
as
it
results
as
it
relates
to
the
unemployment.
D
So
we
think
we
took
advantage
of
that
at
the
right
time,
and
so
hopefully
you
know
it
definitely
made
a
difference
for
us
with
923
thousand
dollar
savings
and
we're
still
seeing
some
savings
with
the
employees
on
there.
Hopefully,
we
have
a
plan
to
get
most
employees
back
here,
so
we
hope
that
that
occurs
in
the
next
few
weeks.
D
We
talked
about
donations
last
time
and
that's
been
just
a
super
area
of
you
know
happiness
if
you
can
say
that
with
the
local
businesses
and
local
people,
local
community
members,
stepping
up
and
helping
out
our
government,
it's,
I
can't
say
enough
good
words
about
about
the
donations
that
we
have
received.
In
addition,
we're
also
seeing
some
give
backs
in
like
insurance.
We
just
we
just
noted
today
that
we're
getting
some
money
back
in
insurance
because
of
claims
we're
down
for
a
period
of
time.
D
Also
we
we
know
that
tcat
is
also
giving
some
money
back,
so
those
things
are
starting
to
occur
as
well.
So
hopefully
that
will
help
us
help
us
for
2020's
cash
flow
activity.
D
As
far
as
other
funds
are
concerned,
solid
waste
fund
we're
currently
down
about
71
thousand
dollars
in
tag
revenues.
We
are
making
up
some
ground
there
as
we
move
throughout
the
rest
of
the
year
water
fund.
We
are
about
a
little
ahead
of
last
year's
activity
about
eighty
thousand
dollars.
Consumption
is
down
a
bit
so
far,
so
we
we
still
look
like
we'll
be
okay
in
the
water
and
sewer
funds.
As
far
as
revenues
are
concerned,
sewer
fund
is
is
running
about
60
000
behind
last
year's
activity.
D
D
speaking
of
2021.
We
all
the
budgets
obviously
have
been
submitted
to
the
mayor
and
myself,
dan
and
the
mayor
have
been
going
through
those
and
discussing
with
each
department
head
their
proposal
again.
The
mayor
mentioned
that
we
have
a
three
percent
and
a
15
negative
proposal
from
each
department.
D
Three
percent
for
departments
not
shouldn't
be
too
terrible
in
most
cases,
but
15
would
be
quite
difficult
for
just
about
every
single
department
trying
to
make
that
15
reduction
in
budget,
so
we're
hoping
that
we
fall
somewhere
in
between
there
right
now.
D
As
we
sit
here,
it's
leaning
towards
you
know
the
double
digits.
Hopefully
we
can
get
that
down
a
little
bit
as
we
continue
to
develop
this.
This
budget,
the
the
cap,
the
tax
cap.
We
talked
about
that
a
little
bit
last
time
is
super
low
this
year
at
a
1.18
percent,
so
trying
to
stay
under
that
is
almost
impossible.
D
I
think
and
we'll
be
putting
our
annual
resolution
to
exceed
the
cap
through
city
administration
and
then
on
to
council
for
approval
that
gives
us
the
most
flexibility
and
this
year.
I
think
we're
going
to
definitely
need
need
that
flexibility
to
try
to
make
a
2021
budget.
D
D
So
that's
pretty
much
set
a
five
percent
increase
in
premiums
which
is
still
better
than
trend
and
gives
us
stability.
We
also
also
are
looking
at
a
holiday
a
one
month
premium
holiday
through
the
consortium
because
of
their
strong
financial
performance.
D
This
would
allow
the
city
not
to
have
to
pay
the
premium
for
one
month,
we're
not
sure
exactly
when
that's
going
to
occur.
It
may
be
december,
maybe
early
next
year,
but
that
will
also
mean
that
employees
will
won't
have
to
pay
that,
so
it
will
be
a
benefit
both
to
the
city
and
also
to
the
employee
contributions
of
health
insurance.
D
We
did
get
our
pension.
Another
area
we
were
looking
for
is
our
pension
costs.
We
did
receive
that
late
last
week
from
new
york
state
and
the
rates
are
going
up.
We
were
hopeful
because
of
recent
investment
news
being
positive,
that
they
wouldn't
go
up
too
much.
However,
the
the
pension
fund
calculates
their
performance
at
the
end
of
march.
That's
the
fiscal
year
for
new
york
state.
D
So
at
that
point
in
time,
investment
rates
were
much
lower
and
so
that
reflection
is
made
into
the
rate
increases
and,
depending
on
the
tier,
we
are
going
to
see
rate
increases
for
the
regular
retirement
system.
This
is
not
police
and
fire.
Just
the
regu,
the
the
other
employees
rate
increases
are
going
to
be
anywhere
from
10.4
to
12.7,
depending
on
the
tier
for
police
and
fire
rate
increases,
depending
on
the
tier,
are
going
to
be
anywhere
from
16.3
to
26.1,
so
those
rates
are
going
up.
D
I
have
to
do
a
whole
calculation
to
come
up
with
the
overall
payment
which
I'm
in
the
kind
of
in
the
middle
of
and
I'll
have
that
number
next
week,
but
obviously
that's
a
big
number
and
it's
going
up
just
like
most
things
are,
except
for
revenue,
of
course,
so
that
is
kind
of
a
picture
of
where
we
look
to
be
at
this
point
in
time.
D
You
know
it's
again.
I
think
I
I
feel
like
I'm
a
little
behind
here
in
budget
development,
but
I
certainly
will
make.
Obviously
we
will
make
make
it
so
that
you
have
the
budget
on
time,
but
because
of
furloughs
with
various
staff
members
because
of
lack
of
information
coming
from
all
over
the
place.
It's
just
been
one
of
those
years.
It's
been
very
difficult,
and
so
my
gray
hair
is
turning
even
and
not.
I
guess
a
lighter
shade
of
grays
as
a
result
of
that.
D
So
hopefully,
this
controller
can
survive
the
next
few
months.
As
we
try
to
put
this
this
budget
together,
it's
not
going
to
be
easy.
I
can
tell
you
that
it's
going
to
be
very
challenging.
D
You
know
the
covet
is
really
just
the
financial
damage
that
covet
has
done
is
is
here
and
it's
here
to
stay
for
quite
a
while,
I'm
afraid
that
it'll
linger
for
us
and
and
then,
of
course,
you
need
to
factor
in
the
you
know
that
it's
election
year
and
how
that
might
factor
into
future
performance
financially.
So
we
got
a
lot
of
things
going
going
here
for
the
development
of
the
2021
budget.
D
E
Steve
the
the
percentage
increase
since
you
mentioned
about
the
pension
costs
those
the
city
contributions,
those
increases.
E
F
So
a
number
of
us
have
been
on
console
for
long
enough
to
remember,
just
even
in
2012
2013
2014.
It
felt
like
we
were
so
flying
our
way
out
of
the
2008
crash.
Do
you?
F
I
know
it's
awfully
early
to
project
this
outward,
but
I
think
for
the
for
the
sake
of
folks,
listening
in,
if
you
were
to,
is
there
a
general
rule
of
thumb
or,
like
general
timeline,
that
you
would
peg
a
recovery
from
something
like
this
at
like
how
many
years
it
would
take,
it
tends
to
take
municipalities
to
recover
from
from
something
like
this.
D
Well,
normally,
I
would
say
you
know
it's
probably
a
couple
year
recovery
it
seems
like,
but
it
also
seems
like
government
doesn't
feel
the
real
impact
for
a
period
of
time,
like
the
private
sector
will
feel
it
much
sooner
than
the
government,
and
then
we
feel
it
and
it
kind
of
lingers
this
environment
that
we're
currently
in
is
is
something
we
frankly
have
never
seen.
D
We've
seen
a
lot
of
things
in
a
lot
of
bad
economies,
and
but
you
at
that
you
know
when
we
were
building
those
budgets
and
trying
to
figure
out
and
forecast
seems
like
you
had
enough
information
where
you
could
still
make
a
reasonable
forecast
with
this
current
environment.
Is
it's
very
difficult
too,
but
I'm
you
know,
I'm
gonna
say
it's
going
to
linger
a
while,
even
though
the
market
itself
recovered
quickly,
I'm
not
sure
how
strong
that
recovery
is
and
how
real
that
is.
D
I
wouldn't
be
surprised
to
see
that
start
to
crumble,
a
little
bit
at
some
point,
so
I
I
just
yeah
I
I
would
be
forecasting
a
a
difficult
time
for
a
period.
You
know
at
least
two
years
and
probably
longer.
G
Can
you
help
me
understand
the
tax
cap
thing?
I
thought
it
was
the
how
much
the
levy
was
increa
was
allowed
to
increase,
which
I
just
assumed
that
during
an
economic
catastrophe
would
not
even
be
an
issue.
D
Yeah,
so
basically,
the
cap
will
allow
us
to
increase
roughly
1.18
and
since
our
our
assessments
are
going
up
over
seven
percent
to
be
able
to
use
the
you
know
that
those
funds,
those
funds
raised
from
property
taxes
at
that
low
amount
and
and
what
we
have
to
recover
from
as
far
as
losses
in
revenue
to
state
aid
to
to
sales
tax.
D
D
It's
not
a
way
to
really
financially,
it's
not
a
way
to
really
to
be
sustainable.
I
mean
you,
you
know
if
you're
trying
to
fit
within
you
know
this
tax
cap
all
the
time
there
there's
things
that
are
going
to
fall
through
the
cracks
mostly
inference
infrastructure
is
going
to
be.
You
know
you
just
can't
you
can't
fit
everything
into
that
cap,
occasionally
you're
going
to
have
to
go
over
it.
D
A
Yeah
dan,
that
I've
sent
there.
C
Yeah
I
just
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
that.
I
mean
you
know.
You
know
steve
mentioned
that,
like
health,
health,
health
care
costs
are
going
up
by
five
percent
right,
so
that
right
there
you've
got
an
expense,
that's
going
up
by
five
percent
a
year
and
how
you
can
have
your
expenses
grow
at
five
percent
a
year
and
your
revenues
grow
at
one
percent
a
year.
C
You
can
kind
of
see
how
that
that
becomes
unsustainable
and-
and
you
know,
and
and
one
percent
increase
in
salaries
is
considered
a
you
know,
pretty
low
increase
when
we
when
we're
giving
our
our
staff
increases
as
well.
So
the
only
way
you
can
have
your
expenses
grow,
like
that,
with
your
revenues,
growing
slowly
is
to
basically
just
be
cutting
someplace
else.
You
know-
and
I
I
think
that
that's
why
it's
not
sustainable,
and
I
think
the
other
thing
is
that
a
one
percent
increase
in
our
our
tax
levy.
C
H
H
So
I
I
think
it's
a
very,
very
deliberate
attempt
to
not
be
sustainable,
to
force
municipalities
into
untenable
situations
so
as
to
reduce
the
number
of
taxing
entities
that
we
have
in
new
york
state,
despite
the
fact
that
this
has
been
in
place.
For
I
don't
know
what
six
years
now
and
I
think
in
in
that
time
I
understand
correctly-
maybe
one
or
two
municipalities
have
actually
merged.
H
You
can
see
that
it's
something
that
I
think
communities
are
very
reluctant
to
undertake
in
the
best
interests
of
of
of
their
services
and
the
people
that
they
serve.
So
I
do
keep
that
in
mind.
H
My
question
going
back
to
steve
and
and
recognizing,
first
and
foremost,
the
value
in
the
services
that
that
you
are
performing
for
the
city.
How
important
it
is
that
you
are
well.
What
can
we
do
to
provide
you?
The
support
you
need,
because
this
is
now
coming
on
the
hardest
part
time
of
the
year.
You
mentioned
that
there
are
16
employees
still
on
furlough
is.
Are
we
anticipating
to
bring
back
anyone
in
your
department
in
the
foreseeable
future,
to
provide
you
some
assistance.
D
Yeah
I
mean
we
we
had.
Basically
in
my
department
we
had
three
people
on
furlough
two
have
come
back,
we
still
have
one
and
we
we
hope
to
get
the
third
one
back
for
a
part-time
for
part-time
hours
here,
hopefully
soon.
Yes,
okay,.
D
Yeah,
I
think
departments
submitted
a
plan
of
of
bringing
pretty
much
everybody
back
there
mate.
Like
I
mentioned
before
there
were
some
retirements,
so
some
people
won't
be
coming
back
and
then
you
know,
if
someone's
looking
at
their
budget
scenario
for
next
year,
there
may
be
a
occasion
where
not
everybody
would
come
back
because
they
might
not
be
in
the
plans
for
next
year,
but
for
the
most
part,
we'll
be
getting
as
many
people
back
as
possible
out
of
that
original
furlough
list.
So
you
know,
hopefully
we
can
like.
D
I
said
it
did,
save
us
a
significant
amount
of
money.
I
think
it
was
smart
of
us
to
do
to
do
the
furloughs
at
the
time
we
did,
and
so
you
know
we'll
have
to
see
what
you
know
where
we
end
up
for
2021,
but
it's
very
possible
that
we'll
have
to
we'll
have
to
let
some
people
go,
though.
A
Okay,
any
other
I
I
just
want
to
chime
in
on
the
tax
cap.
It
is
obviously
beyond
a
clumsy
tool.
It's
it
doesn't
make
a
ton
of
sense,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
our
local
property
tax
rate
isn't
too
high.
It
is
it's
very
high.
A
It's
too
high
and
that's
driving
people
who've
lived
here
for
a
very
long
time
out
of
the
city
and
forcing
them
to
be
replaced,
especially
people
who
are
on
a
fixed
income
and
it's
not
too
high,
because
our
employees
are
too
well
paid
or
that
we
deliver
too
many
services.
We
all
know
that
we
could
and
should
be
doing
more.
It's
that
the
entire
system
is
rigged.
Municipalities
are
not
able
to
collect
tax
revenue
progressively
by
taxing
income
or
capital
gains
or
estates.
A
All
we
can
do
is
tax
sales,
tax
and
property
tax,
as
well
as
some
fines
and
fees,
etc,
and
sales,
tax
and
property
tax
are
both
the
regressive
forms
of
taxation.
So
every
time
we
have
to
raise
our
property
tax
rate
that
hurts
most,
the
people
can
least
afford
it.
So
I
just
yeah-
I
just
want
to
put
that
on
the
record
that
there's-
and
I
know
there's
nobody
on
this
call.
That's
like
the
taxes
are
too
low,
raise
the
taxes.
A
We
all
know
that
how
how
hard
this
is
for
families
every
year
when
they
get
that
tax
bill.
It's
it's.
It's
really
tough,
really,
tough.
I.
D
F
Absolutely
like
that
tax
cap
puts
us
in
a
difficult
position
to
to
have
a
growth
mentality
when
it
comes
to
our
community,
but
the
the
problem
is
not
the
tax
cap.
The
problem
is:
is
that
the
only
tool
we
have
for
raising
that
much
revenue
in
this
city
is
a
regressive
tax
system
and
it
just
it
it's
it's
a
it's
a
horrible
tool
for
on
which
to
build
a
city,
it's
a
horrible
tour
in
which
to
build
a
school
district.
F
A
Okay,
well,
we
can
shift
now
to
the
the
capital
projects
portion
of
the
meeting,
the
in
the
agenda
packet
so
available,
for
the
public's
view
are
the
capital
projects
that
the
committee
is
recommending,
those
who
are
recommending
not
to
be
funded
and
those
that
were
put
on
something
of
a
fence.
That
is
projects
that
we
believe
could
be
ready
to
go
in
the
event
that
the
state
or
the
federal
government
passes
an
infrastructure
stimulus
bill,
something
that
seemed
more
likely
earlier.
This
summer
now
seems
nearly
impossible.
A
This
fall,
but,
depending
frankly,
who's
in
office
come
january.
20Th
of
2021
could
be
extremely
likely
or
not
at
all.
I
A
You'll
see
a
list
of
each
of
those
capital
projects,
maybe
steve.
Could
I
lean
on
you
again
to
to
walk
us
through
these
numbers
to
help
contextualize?
You
know
how
much
do
we
usually
borrow
between
four
and
six
million?
How
much
are
we
recommending
this
year?
What
would
that
do
to
our
debt
load
etc?.
A
Then
sorry
and
then
see
and
then
then,
if
I
could
ask
you
to
take
notes
on
questions
from
council
members,
so
that
we
can
help
get
answers
to
those
questions
before
next
month.
D
Steve
go
ahead,
no
problem,
so
we
try
to
develop
our
capital
program
that
gives
us
the
most
bang
for
the
buck.
So
looking
at
aid
heavily
aided
projects
definitely
help
us
out
at
this
point
in
time.
D
In
addition,
we're
looking
for
a
program
that
still
provides
a
significant
amount
of
capital
improvement
in
our
community
but
at
the
same
time
trying
to
whittle
away
at
our
outstanding
debt
load,
because
you've
heard
me
talk
about
this
every
year
of
how
we
are
operating
with
a
very
high
debt
load,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
we
have
limited
flexibility
as
we
move
forward,
because
we
not.
We
must
no
matter
what
happens
with
our
finances.
D
D
So
the
goal
is
every
year
to
try
to
stay
with
our
capital
authorization
to
stay
less
than
what
we
are
paying
off
so
that
we
can
make
strides
in
reducing
our
outstanding
debt
and
we're
we're
lucky.
We
work
hard
at
it.
We
we
have
a
you
know,
a
good
rating
through
moody's,
our
rating
agency.
You
know
a
double
a2
and
we're
a
very
strong
investment
rate,
so
our
interest
rates
as
a
result
of
that
are,
are
lower,
so
investors
like
to
buy
our
our
bonds.
D
So
that's
a
good
thing
and
that's
where
we
want
to
try
to
stay
and
but
that's
a
difficult
on
annual
basis,
so
for
2021,
we'll
be
paying
off
in
the
general
fund,
but
over
six
million
dollars
of
debt,
and
so
we
want
to
keep
under
that
number.
So
we
were
looking
at
a
goal
this
year
of
around
three
million
to
try
to
stay
under
that
number
and
start
to
whittle
away
at
that
outstanding
debt
load.
D
So
that's
what
we
kind
of
pinpointed
our
number
at
this
year
and
you'll
see
from
the
approved
projects
that
we
we
came
in
under
that,
but
we
also
have
projects
that
are
ready
to
go
if,
if
things
change
as
far
as
the
ability
to
do
future
infrastructure
programs,
so
we
have,
we
have
ability
that
ability
to
pull
those
projects
out
quickly
and
and
make
them
happen.
So
that's
that's
where
we
started
the
outstanding
debt
for
the
city
for
the
end
of
this
year.
D
So
that's
you
know
again,
it's
a
good
time
to
borrow
because
rates
are
low,
but
you
also
have
to
be
a
for
be
able
to
afford
that
and,
as
we
was
just
talking
about
trying
to
fit,
you
know
a
tax
rate
that
is
still
reasonable
to
the
community
and
providing
providing
the
services
that
they
all
desire
and
and
deserve
is
very
difficult.
D
So
that's
you
know,
that's
where
we
started
this
process
out
as
far
as
looking
at
the
committee
and,
of
course,
if
you,
if
you
add
up
all
the
all
the
needs
of
the
city
for
capital,
needs
obviously
you're
well
beyond
any
reasonable
amount
that
we
could
afford
on
an
annual
basis.
G
A
E
And
I
understand
how
really
needed
needed
things
didn't
make
the
cut
in
your
committee.
One
thing
that
struck
me
is
particularly
difficult.
Was
the
fire
truck
the
pumper?
E
E
I
don't
know
what
the
chief
thinks
about
all
those
big
ticket
items
that
didn't
make
it
if,
if
that's
the
most
pressing
or
if
some
of
the
building
repairs
are
the
most
pressing
I'd,
be
curious
to
know
that,
but
also
when
I
was
looking
at
things
that
we
might
cut.
Additionally,
I'm
curious
about
the
number
of
police
cars
that
made
the
budget
made
the
capital
project's
budget,
particularly
the
chiefs
brand
new
truck.
That
would
replace
the
2019
almost
brand
new
truck.
I
seems
like
that
is
a
bit
over
the
top.
A
Yeah,
okay,
I'll
get
an
answer.
I
I
so
I
believe,
what's
happening
is
that
his
truck
is
going
to
be
his
current
car
is
going
to
be
used
for
something
else
so
needs
a
new
one.
I
also
believe
that
we're
attempting
to
maintain
this
lease
sell
back
cycle
which,
because
we
purchased
through
new
york
state's
purchasing
agreements,
we
were
actually
able
to
buy
vehicles
at
such
a
discount
that,
after
three
years
we
could
sell
them
and
on
the
open
market
they
haven't
depreciated
beneath
the
bargain
price
from
which
we
bought
them.
A
That
is
to
say,
eventually,
this
cycle
will
start
paying
for
itself.
That's
me
spinning
off
the
top
of
my
head,
though
I'll
get
a
more.
A
J
But
so
that
raises
a
question,
though,
so
we're
seeing
the
gross
expense
of
new
cars,
but
so
there's
something
to
offset
that
which
would
be
selling
the
current
cars,
because
we
should
see
that
yeah.
A
Yeah,
it's
a
good
point,
we'll
get.
We
will
get
a
report
from
from
the
pd
because.
J
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
this.
This
is
the
the
capital
projects
list
only
looks
at
what
you
need
to
borrow
in
order
to
purchase
what
you're
trying
to
purchase
it
doesn't
include
any
potential
offsetting
revenue,
although
it
could
be
possible
if
you
wanted
to
in
the
total
project
reimbursable
funds.
I
know
we've
put
in
that
column,
ways
in
which
we
earn
revenue
or
if
we
have
matching
grants
or
whatever.
Maybe
it
would
make
sense
to
try
to
reflect
that
there
in
the
future,
but
only
only
if
it
really
is
an
offsetting
cost.
A
Right
but
it's
no,
it's
you're
right,
that's
good
context
to
have
so
we'll
we'll
get
it
cynthia
and
then
rob
and
then
laura.
H
It
definitely
in
in
light
of
dead's
comment,
for
example,
the
the
pumper
truck
for
the
fire
department.
H
You
know
30
31
of
that
cost
would
be
paid
for
by
the
town,
so
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
that
fuller
picture
when
we
make
decisions
like
this,
I
do
have
questions
with
regards
to
the
cars
it
does
seem
like.
There
are
several
cars
included
on
this
list,
both
for
both
for
the
police
department,
and
I
I
think
there
was
another
set
of
cars
that
was
included.
H
I
think
under
public
works,
and
I
noticed
that
the
format
in
the
applications
for
the
public
works
and
for
the
police
department
were
inconsistent.
So
it's
really
hard
to
compare
or
understand
what
it
is
that
they're
applying
for
so
it'd
be
helpful
to
have
more
information.
With
regards
to
that,
I
am
curious
about
the
learning
more
about
the
green
street
redevelopment
parking
mitigation
for
300
000,
as
well
as
the
waterfront
traffic
improvements
that
are
here.
There
were,
if
that
could
be
available
or
it
can
anybody
speak
to
what
that
is
exactly.
C
Yeah,
so
those
were
both
put
in
there.
The
reason
there
wasn't
supporting
material
is
they
were
really
kind
of
placeholder
numbers.
We
know
that
there's
a
couple
of
construction
projects
that
are
coming
and
we
know
there's
going
to
need
to
be
the
money
set
aside
to
accommodate
them
the
reconstruction
of
the
green
street
parking
garage.
C
C
Building
above
the
rothschild
building,
we'll
be
closing
the
parking
garage
and
taking
the
green
street
parking
garage
out
of
out
of
service.
For
you
know
something
like
18
months,
so
we
will
need
to
be
able
to
accommodate
the
accommodate
some
some
sort
of
mitigations
for
that,
so
the
300
000
was
put
in
as
kind
of
a
placeholder.
We
may
not
spend
all
of
that,
but
if
we
don't
spend
all
of
that,
you.
A
C
Then
we
know
we
just
don't
borrow
for
the
funds,
so
it's
it's
kind
of
a
it's
a
placeholder
and,
by
the
same
token,
the
for
the
waterfront
development.
There
is
that
the
proposal
that's
currently
being
evaluated
for
the
you
know
the
kind
of
the
one-way
pair
and
also
for
the
the
break-in
access
over
by
carpenter
business
part.
Again,
we
know
there's
going
to
need
to
be
some
design
work
done
and
then
you
know
the
city
will
have
to
make
some
investments.
C
H
Okay,
so
I
have
an
additional
question,
I
think
again,
going
back
to
offsetting
costs.
The
the
stewart
park
joint
interceptor
sanitary
sewer
pump
station
is
not
actually
a
debt
that
would
be
applied
to
the
general
fund
or
within
our
debt
limit,
because
it
would
be
paid
for
out
of
the
water
and
sewer
fund.
H
H
H
H
C
The
discussion
there
was
that
our
current
our
current
message
boards
are
very
old
and
they
they
really
can't
be
programmed
anymore,
and
so
we
needed
something
new
and
with
all
the
construction
projects
that
are
happening
around
the
city
and
people.
You
know
dealing
with
traffic
concerns,
road
closures
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
C
It
was
determined
that,
having
message
boards
from
you
know
is,
is
a
important
part
of
public
information,
an
important
important
part
of
traffic
control
and
traffic
traffic
mitigation,
and
it's
something
that
you
know
while
it
it.
It
isn't.
Necessarily
I
mean
while
it
could,
we
could.
We
could
potentially
put
that
off
for
a
year
or
so
it's
something
that
we
will
have
in
our
inventory.
C
A
K
Two
questions
really,
I'm
sorry.
If
I
missed
this,
when
I
can't
remember
it
was
steve
or
the
mayor
was
talking
about
how
projects
got
listed
under
shovel
ready
and
my
understanding
is
the
purpose
there
is.
K
If
other
funding
does
come
available,
we
have
projects,
and-
and
so
I'm
wondering
if
some,
if
some
of
that
possible
funding
that
come
forward,
might
also
be
the
kind
of
funding
that
we
could
use
for
the
pumper
and
if,
if
a
project
like
a
project
like
that
should
be
listed
in
a
you
know,
list
on
a
list
like
that.
So
that's
one
thought
and
then
the
other
is
savant.
K
I
think
it's
a
very
compelling
argument
that
you
made
about
the
way
we're
going
to
purchase
these
and
and-
and
I
hope,
we'll
find
out
more
information
about
what
the
payback
on
that.
But
I
think
it's
going
to
be
important
to
have
answers
for
how
this
is
impacted
by
the
work
of
the
task
force
as
well.
If,
if
that's
possible
timing.
A
Yeah,
it
should
be
more
clear
in
a
month.
You
know
the
last
three
weeks
we've
been
in
something
of
the
holding
pattern,
as
we've
publicly
as
we've
been
working
very
diligently
to
actually
merge
our
reinvent
public
safety
task
force
with
tompkins
counties,
which
is
really
important
because
of
course,
we
exist
inside
the
county.
Most
people's
lives
cross
those
political
boundaries.
A
And
and
there
there's
been
a
series
of
meetings
in
the
last
couple
weeks
to
manage
what
you
could
imagine
are
very
difficult
logistics
around.
That.
A
So
that
is
to
say
that
I
don't
yet
know
this
week,
but
should
know
more
by
the
time
a
budget
comes
out
what
sort
of
budget
impacts
we
could
expect
in
2021.
I
actually
think
the
proposed
changes
without
getting
ahead
of
the
task
force
work.
I
think
the
proposed
changes
will
have
more
impact
further
down
the
road
on
our
capital
projects
2020
to
2023..
A
If,
in
keeping
with
this
merged,
more
synergistic
approach
with
the
other
municipalities,
we
begin
to
share
procurement
with
those
municipalities
as
well.
So
if
we're
buying
police
cars
together.
G
A
Some
of
this
infrastructure,
which
smooths
out
the
cost
in
a
way
that
I
think
is
more
just
but
also
makes
us
more
efficient
because,
as
I
said,
life
doesn't
end
at
the
at
the
you
know,
city
of
ithaca
limits,
so
good
question,
we'll
keep
it
on
the
list
and
and
hope
to
have
more
rather
than
oh
sorry
do
you
have
more,
I
think.
L
Okay,
thanks
and
thanks
to
steve
and
everyone
who's
worked
on
this
budget
information,
especially
in
this
year.
That
is
such
a
very
challenging
year
to
follow
up
on
the
mayor's
comments
and
a
comment
that
cynthia
made
about
the
importance
of
merging
partnering
with
other
municipalities.
I
think
if
ever
there
was
a
year
that
we
need
to
really
really
put
our
heads
together
and
look
at
ways
of
part
partnering
on
shared
costs
that
benefit
our
residents
county-wide.
This
would
be
the
year
to
do
it.
I
did
have
three
questions.
L
One
is
on
one
of
the
projects
denied
for
funding
was
the
gf
touchless
bathroom
devices,
and
I
wondered
if
that
could
be
reconsidered.
Particularly.
I
was
surprised
to
see
that
on
on
a
list
of
projects
not
funded
in
this
particular
year
when
there
is
such
concern
about
the
virus
and
concern
for
children
concern
for
staff
members
working
at
giac,
it
seemed
that
there
was
quite
a
bit
that
could
be
purchased
from
that
that
cost
that
we
see
listed,
and
so
I'd
like
to
see
that
cost
being
reconsidered.
L
L
So
it
seems
to
me
that
it
is
a
broader
community
benefit
and
one
that
would
allow
our
first
responders
to
be
best
prepared,
and
I'm
concerned
too
about
the
we
heard
this
last
year
during
the
budget
meetings,
with
the
condition
of
the
current
facility,
which
you
know.
The
last
thing
I
think
any
of
us
would
want
to
see,
is
first
responders
being
injured.
L
As
their
training
to
improve
their
skills,
so
I
did
have
a
question
about
whether
that
could
possibly
be
be
reinstated,
included
and
then,
finally,
I
had
a
question
about
public
works,
this
on
the
same
page,
vehicle
and
equipment
repair.
L
I
I
had
a
question
here,
and
it
applies
to
a
couple
of
other
items
where
we're
seeing
repair.
My
question
is:
how
long
is
the
useful
life?
In
other
words,
are
we
repairing
something
that
we're
going
to
get
two
to
three
more
years
use
out
of?
Are
we
repairing
something
that
is,
the
repair
is
going
to
cost
more
than
the
replacement?
I
think
I
saw
that
on
a
number
of
items,
so
I
just
have
a
question
about
useful
life
on
some
of
the
items
that
are
listed
throughout
as
needing.
A
E
Cynthia,
okay,
I
just
very
briefly,
I
I
want
to
second
everything
rob
said
about
the
fire
truck
and
also
about
looking
at
the
ipd
funding,
but
back
to
cynthia's
question
about
the
electric
signs.
E
D
Yeah,
so
we
always
try
to
look
at
all
these
requests
with,
with
the
mind
that
you
know
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
the
a
lot
of
the
requests
for
smaller
equipment.
Smaller
vehicles
should
be
in
the
operating
budget
and
we
we
try
to
fit
whatever
we
can
into
the
operating
budget,
and
you
see
we
have
some
items.
Roughly
121
000
tagged
to
go
into
the
operating
fund.
I
agree
it
should
be
an
operating
fund.
D
As
we
talked
before
the
tax.
You
know
the
taxes
we
have
to
keep
a
reasonable
balance
there.
So
we
try
even
down
to
the
last
minute
of
when
we're
developing
the
budget,
to
move
these
things
between
borrowing
for
them
or
paying
cash,
and
so
we
we
try
our
best
to
get
those
in.
That
would
be
an
item
that
I
would
agree
should
be
in
the
operating
fund,
but
only
if
we
can
can
squeeze
it
in
there.
D
So,
as
with
all
these
things,
that's
what
we
try
to
do-
and
you
know
hopefully
we
can-
but
again
this
year
is-
is
one
that
we
haven't
seen,
and
it's
going
to
be
more
difficult
to
to
do
that.
Some
of
the
other
questions
I
think,
on
the
the
the
gc
item,
what
we
thought
there
was
that
we
wanted
to
look
at
all
the
facilities,
not
just
gx,
for
the
the
touchless
bathroom
devices.
D
In
addition,
the
I
know
a
lot
on
the
police
vehicles.
D
Some
of
the
other
reasons
why
we're
replacing
these
police
vehicles
was
that
they
were
running
they're,
coming
off
a
warranty
and
they
become
very
expensive
very
quickly
to
maintain
those
vehicles
and
also
we're
looking
at
purchasing
a
couple
hybrid
vehicles
to
help
with
consumption
and
help
with
our
green
new
deal
and
also
the
newer
vehicles.
D
A
Thank
you
very
useful.
I
have
actually
that
was
the
last
person
on
my
list
I'll
ask
chief
parsons,
who
is
here
with
us
tonight
if
he
had
any
response
to
some
of
the
questions
that
have
that
have
been.
D
H
Question
for
the
fire
department
budget.
So
if
I
could
ask
that
first,
perhaps
tom
could
answer
both
of
us
okay,
so
I
I
want
to
thank
laura
for
for
raising
the
issue
with
regards
to
the
fire
training
center
and
the
fact
that
it
is
a
inter-municipal
facility
that
would
receive
support
from
the
county
and
others
for
for
its
renovation.
H
I
do
want
to
provide
a
different
perspective.
I
myself
was
actually
happy
to
not
see
it
on
the
list
of
of
items.
I've
long
been
concerned
that
I
don't
believe
that
the
waterfront
is
an
appropriate
location
for
a
fire
training
facility.
I've
I've
often
speculated
that
that
space
was
inappropriately
alienated.
H
H
As
you
know,
pfoas
and
pfas
have
been
identified
as
a
toxin
in
carcinogen.
It
is
largely
found
in
fire,
suppressant
materials,
and
there
has
been
investigation,
which
I
understand,
it's
relatively
clean
site,
but
the
fact
that
these
types
of
activities
are
occurring
so
close
to
our
waterways
is
deeply
concerning
to
me.
If
it
is
a
inter-municipal
facility
that
that
serves
the
region,
I
I
think
we
can.
H
I
Sure,
well,
you
hit
the
nail
on
the
head,
not
in
my
backyard.
That's
what
we've
been
dealing
with
the
training
center
for
as
long
as
I've
been
here
in
the
department.
Everybody
wants
it
moved,
but
nobody
can
pick
a
location
that
works
for
the
fire
department.
There's
been
some
suggestions
about
moving
it
up
to
the
airport.
I
The
problem
facing
is
that
we
can't,
if
it's
at
the
airport,
we
can't
protect
the
city
and
be
at
the
airport,
doing
training
and
to
offset
that
cost
would
be
additional
personnel
costs
and
overtime
to
have
people
come
in
and
backfill,
while
we're
training
which
we're
using
the
training
center.
You
know
currently
once
you
know
once
twice
a
week,
at
least
even
in
the
winter
time,
we're
down
there
training.
So
I
I
understand
the
concerns.
There
was
a
lot
of
money
spent
on
cleaning
up
the
site.
I
It
was
a
super
fun
site
has
test
wells,
they've
been
tested
numerous
times
for
in
contaminants.
We
responded
to
all
the
dc
requests.
I
understand
everybody's
concerns.
One
of
the
reasons
why
we
wanted
to
go
to
a
new
facility
was
so
that
we
could
get
away
from
the
contaminants
and
runoffs,
because
we
could
build
the
center
in
such
a
way
that
we
would
use
less.
I
I
There's
a
that's
one
of
the
nice
things
about
new
facilities
is
that
you
can
do
better
job
than
you
did
before.
Under
the
current
condition.
The
burn
building
is
not
usable
for
live
fire
training.
It
hasn't
been
for
two
years
because
we
have
repair
work,
that
we
need
to
do
to
get
it
done,
and
we
don't
have
the
funding
to
do
it.
I
The
rope
tower
which
is
built
back
in
the
90s
was,
has
been
heavily
used
and
it
needs
work
to
stabilize
it.
It
frankly
has
probably
reached
its
end
of
life
and
what
we,
what
I
was
hoping
is
that
we
would
get
a
facility
that
would
take
care
of
both
uses
in
one
building.
I
So
but
in
light
of
the
financial
situation,
it's
apparent
that
you
know
it's
not
going
to
be
funded
this
year,
but
it's
something
that
we'll
have
to
look
at
somewhere
again.
Go
back
to
you.
If
you,
if
we,
if
we
partner
up
with
the
county,
I'm
sure
the
county
doesn't
want
in
the
city,
they've
expressed
interest
about
putting
it
up
at
the
airport
and
where
they
are
doing
live
fire
training
with
those
types
of
hazardous
materials
that
they
do.
I
You
know
around
the
around
their
property
and
we
could
go
up
there,
but
again
for
us
to
support
training
at
that.
Location
means
that
we
have
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
to
provide
protection
downtown.
While
we
have
our
people
out
training
outside
of
the
city
and
that
far
away
I'll
respond
to
the
pumper.
I
I
don't
have
a
problem.
If
we
push
it
back
a
year,
I
mean,
in
light
of
my
knowledge,
of
where
we
are
with
the
budget
right
now.
I
I
I
think
you
know,
certainly
in
my
budget
meeting
and
I
understand
the
the
financial
situation,
and
you
know
I
I
I
think
we
can
push
that
off
a
little
bit
right
now
we
have
a
ladder
truck
which
we
had
purchased
in
the
2019
couple.
Projects
will
be
delivered
in
october.
We
have
an
engine,
that's
in
this
year's
capital
projects
won't
be
delivered
until
you
know
january.
So,
even
if
we
purchase
it
say
february
march
next
year,
we
probably
won't
see
it
until
2021.
I
Excuse
me
2022.
We
could
always
you
know.
If
you,
if
you
decided
to
fund
it,
we
probably
would
delay
the
purchase
of
it
until
the
summer
of
2021
with
the
delivery
of
2022..
So
I
don't
know
if
that
helps
the
the
funding
aspect
of
it.
But
it's
you
know
one
way,
we're
you
know
one
way
to
to
accomplish
it.
I've.
Also
in
my
kepler
request.
You
know:
we've
got
you
know
two
thirty
thirty-year-old
buildings
that
have
very
little
exterior
maintenance.
I
They
really
need
to
have
some
work
done
on
the
buildings
for
pointing
we've
got.
We
can
do
a
better
job
and
it's
heating
and
cooling
system
to
make
more
efficient
operations
in
those
two
fire
stations:
that's
the
west
hill
and
the
south
hill
fire
station,
and
obviously
here
at
central
station
we're
way
past
due
for
some.
I
You
know
structural
repairs
to
you
know
so
the
building
will
last
you
know,
hopefully
another
30
years
or
more
years,
but
the
longer
the
more
we
keep
pushing
these
down
to
you
know
the
better
budget,
the
better
budget
we
end
up
in
a
crisis
situation
never
gets
done
and
we
end
up.
You
know
having
to
do
you
know
expensive
repairs.
I
Fortunately,
at
central
we
do
have
a
new
heating
and
cooling
system.
We
do
have
a
new
roof,
so
up
top
and
inside
we're.
Okay,
but
it's
at
some
point.
In
the
next
few
years,
you're
gonna
have
to
put
some
significant
money
in
these
fire
stations,
or
you
know
think
about
doing
something
different
with
them,
and
maybe
we
will
be
having
those
conversations
at
some
point.
I
I
think,
rather
than
trying
to
rank
all
the
fire
stations,
I
would
probably
do
some
of
everything
to
each
one
of
them
to
you
know:
try
to
get
at
least
the
exterior
work,
the
pointing
those
types
of
things
done.
The
heating
cooling
systems
and
the
outside
station
is
definitely
done.
I
mean
if
we
want
to
scale
the
projects
to
a
certain
amount
of
money.
I
We
could
you
know
we
can
figure
out
what
to
do
with
it
then,
but
at
this
moment
I
can't
give
you
an
exact
number,
which
fire
station
other
than
the
stale
fire
stations,
the
most
pressing
need
for
anything
or
something
to
be
done
with
it.
L
Yeah
kind
of
following
up
on
george's
question:
I
wondered
if,
on
these
shovel
ready
projects
under
engineering
and
water
and
sewer,
are
these
listed
in
rank
order?
Do
we
know
what
would
be
the
greatest
priority?
That's
one
question:
I
have
a
follow-up
then.
L
Tax-Exempt
property
and
makes
up
a
large
portion
of
the
city,
but
on
something
like
water
and
sewer.
When
I'm
looking
at
strudev
water
main
replacement
university
of
water
main
replacement,
it
seems
to
me
that
these
infrastructure
improvements
would
benefit.
The
city
would
also
greatly
benefit
cornell,
so
are
there.
L
I
imagine
there
are
many
discussions,
but
are
there
ongoing
discussions
on
cornell,
possibly
contributing
to
some
of
these
infrastructure
projects.
A
Yes
near
near
constant
discussion,
those
negotiations
have
slowed,
slow,
they're,
more,
like
paused
during
the
pandemic,
but
and
every
project
that
is,
that
really
services,
the
university
community
not
just
directly
leading
to
campus,
but
those
that
are
near.
D
A
We
try
to
engage
the
university
to
get
them
to
contribute,
with
varying
degrees
of
success.
We've
we've
gotten
from
them
several
hundred
thousand
dollars
over
the
years
for
some
projects
and
less
successful
for
others.
Some
depends
on
their
budget
situation,
but
we
will
make
a
hard
charge
this
year
for
contributions
from
the
university,
because
you
know
we
need
it
more
than
ever.
C
Yeah
and
the
the
question
about
the
whether
the
projects
that
are
shovel
ready
is
prioritized
the
the
answer
to
that
is
no
they're.
Just
basically
in
the
you
know,
kind
of
in
the
category
of
the
departments
that
they
came
from,
but
the
thought
was
you
know
it
doesn't
make
sense
to
prioritize
them
because
we
don't
know
what
kind
of
funding
will
become
available.
I
mean
if
it's
just
like
general
funding,
then
you
know
we
would
have
to
prioritize
them.
But
if
they
say
you
know,
oftentimes
grants
come
with.
C
D
J
Yeah,
I
don't
recall
in
the
past,
we
got
this
list
of
shovel
ready
projects.
I
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
why
we
now
have
a
list,
and
and
it's
it's
because
these
are
projects
that
are
ready
to
go,
but
we
don't
want
to
fund
ourselves,
but
we
could
we
might
try
to
get
outside
funding,
for
them.
Is
that
right.
A
J
I
mean,
I
think
it's
the
the
pool
cass
park
pool
repair,
I
think,
is
really
needed.
I
think
we
talked
about
it
at
least
last
year,
if
not
the
year
before
as
well,
but
yet
a
half
a
million
dollars.
G
B
I
think
in
past
years
it
was
much
clearer
where
federal
dollars
were
going
to
come
from
in
order
to
support
some
of
these
projects,
so
I
feel
like
we
never
had
this
shovel
ready
before,
because
we
usually
had
a
better
sense
of
what
was
likely
to
be
funded
by
certain
money
that
was
going
to
come
in
there's.
So
many
question
marks.
I
think
you
know
it
really
makes
sense
for
us
to
have
this
in
the
queue,
because
there's
way
too
many
unknowns
like
every
direction.
B
You
look
in
there's
just
another
there's
another
question
mark
so
yeah
the
capital
project
list
looks
weird
this
year
and
I'm
just
prepping
you
all
that
the
budget's
probably
going
to
look
weird
this
year
and
the
process
is
probably
going
to
be
weird
this
year.
So
I
I
wouldn't
necessarily
look
at
everything
as
well.
We
always
have
done
it
this
way.
This
is
this
is
a
year
for
us
to
just
figure
out
how
to
do
things,
maybe
with
a
little
more
anxiety
and
a
little
more
unconventional
process,
because
there's
too
many
question
marks.
A
M
Hang
on
hi,
so
the
questions
about
the
pool
and
the
the
gutter
refinish.
M
Yes,
yeah
I
mean
if
there
was
money
that
could
definitely
go
in
on
on
the
shovel
ready
projects.
It's
it's
a
repair
that
can
be
done
off-season
and
it's
a
repair.
That's
been
needed
for
quite
some
time:
you're
right,
donna,
it's
it's
come
up
on
the
list
before
and
it's
costly,
but
it's
also
500
000.
So
you
know
that
that
could
be
on
the
list.
I
know
that
we've
got
the
cass
enclosure
on
the
list.
M
So
I
I
would
personally
prioritize
that
one
and
you
know
the
while
the
pool
does
need
it.
We've
we've
been
able
to
patch
patch
it
and
and
get
through.
So
it
seems
to
be
our
approach
and
just
what
we
need
to
do
right
now.
You
know,
given
the
situation
we're
in.
A
A
H
Just
a
clarifying
question
for
steve,
so
steve,
you
had
mentioned
we're
looking
for
a
goal
of
about
three
million
dollars,
I'm
looking
at
your
list
and
we
have
right
now
1.8
million
on
the
list
that
the
committee
is
recommending
and
you
are
keeping
in
about
a
million
dollars
in
wiggle
room
in
case
projects
come
up
during
the
coming
year.
That
could
be
funded.
D
Yeah
that
was
one
of
our
thoughts.
The
the
more
flexibility
we
had
was
we
thought
was
would
be
better,
especially
in
this
year
of
so
many
uncertainties.
So
that's
kind
of
what
we're
thinking.
We
have
a
lot
of
shovel-ready
pro
projects
if
we're
able
to
go
that
direction
and
we
would
still
have
probably
some
matching
cost
there.
So
we
also
thought
that
that
would
be
the
case
where
that
number
might
have
to
be
bumped
up
so
that
yeah,
that
was
kind
of
our
thinking.
D
D
You
know
our
limit
changes
every
year
based
on
assessments,
because
it's
a
five-year
average
seven
percent
of
the
five
year
average
of
our
assessments
over
the
last
five
years,
so
we
have
about
35
million
dollars
available
total,
but
really
once
you
get
to
90
percent
or
higher,
that
becomes
an
issue
for
rating
agencies
and
a
number
of
other
areas.
So
we
really
have
about
22
million
dollars
and,
if
you
think
of
it,
that's
not
very
much
money
for
us,
we
can.
We
can
spend
that
pretty
quickly,
so
we
have
we're
just.
D
We
think
this
is
a
year
that
we're
really
you
know
trying
to
keep
things
as
tight
as
possible
and
give
ourselves
some
flexibility.
If
we
need
it,
you
know
if
things
change,
because
they
seem
to
be
changing
drastically
throughout
the
year.
A
K
K
But
what
concerns
me
is
that,
if
we're
not
successful
in
getting
that
funding,
it
sounds
like
that
has
to
happen
before
the
project
can
happen
or
or
maybe
I'd
love
to
just
have
an
answer
about
whether
those
those
phases
can
happen
concurrently
and
if
not,
if,
if
this
is
a
sign
that
we're
pushing
this
project
off
for
another
couple
of
years,
are
there
other
ways
to
fund
sort
of
intermediary
fixes
to
the
intersection,
or
at
least
things
that
might
help
control
pedestrian
or
keep
pedestrians
more
safe?
K
A
A
Okay,
any
other
questions.
A
Okay,
well,
the
obviously
the
list
remains
online
on
the
agenda
and
supporting
information
is
in
all
of
your
inboxes.
If
you
have
any
other
questions
between
now
and
when
the
budget
process
starts,
please
do
send
them
along
after
the
process
starts.
No
more
questions
I
mean
you
can
ask
questions
and
yeah
and
we'll
keep
hoping
for
you.