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B
D
D
You
afternoon
everybody
a
couple
of
things.
I
start
with
the
perhaps
the
shorter
one,
which
is
I
did
send
round
just
before
the
meeting.
The
fourth
quarter
report
from
their
community
outreach
worker
program.
I
know
you
haven't
had
a
chance
to
look
at
that.
B
D
D
Okay,
so
this
is
a
report
from
the
the
fourth
quarter
on
the
program
you
know
it
continues.
D
We
now
have
the
funding
for
two
positions:
tammy
and
natalya-
I
think,
is
her
name
and
continues
to
be
very
busy,
but
also,
I
think,
you'll
see
in
the
comments
there
a
lot
of
appreciation
not
only
from
the
community
that
serves,
but
for
many
other
people
in
terms
of
what
the
program
is
really
doing,
which
is
kind
of
trying
to
address
some
of
the
needs
of
the
community
without
necessarily
having
to
engage
the
police
department,
and
I
know
if
I've
had
a
lot
of
conversations
recently
with
members
of
the
police
department
about
this
program,
which
is
much
appreciated.
D
I
think
one
of
the
key
challenges
and
you'll
see
that
in
the
report,
if
you
look
through
it,
of
course,
is
that
the
need
for
this
kind
of
service,
which
really
seeks
to
provide
the
kinds
of
referrals
and
information
that
people
can
really
find
useful
in
terms
of
some
of
the
challenges,
particularly
during
covert.
D
You
know,
there's
certainly
more
demand
for
this
kind
of
thing
than
the
current
programs
can
support.
And,
of
course,
that's
one
of
the
topics
that
we've
been
talking
about
in
terms
of
public
safety,
but
I
do
encourage
you
to
look
through
the
report.
D
It's
very
thorough,
as
always,
I'm
on
the
actual
steering
committee
for
this
program
and
and
I'm
always
impressed
with
not
only
the
the
people
involved
in
the
program
and
the
results,
but
also
the
the
kind
of
data
gathering
I
mean
this
is
one
of
the
areas
that
has
been
talked
about
in
terms
of
making
informed
decisions
about
proposed
changes
in
various
programs,
and
I
think
this
is
a
good
example
which
really
helps
us
to
see
the
benefits
of
this
program
in
terms
of
the
actual
impact
it's
having
in
the
community.
D
So
second
item,
of
course,
is
the
reimagining
public
safety
proposals
that
I
think
you've
all
had
an
opportunity
to
read
pretty
extensively.
We
met
with
the
mayor,
I
think,
was
that
last
week
had
a
discussion
about
it.
There's
another
meeting
this
evening,
starting
at
six
o'clock.
I
think
it's
categorized
as
a
committee
of
the
whole,
which
means
all
of
council
will
be
there.
D
The
first
part
of
the
meeting
will
be
a
city
administration
meeting
which
will
just
take
care
of
business
and
then
it'll
be
opened
up
to
a
further
discussion
about
this
reimagining
public
safety
proposal,
which,
as
you
can
probably
imagine,
we've.
Certainly
that
is
people
on
council,
certainly
had
a
huge
number
of
input
amount
of
input,
not
just
from
ipd
but
from
the
members
of
the
community,
and
we
we
were
receiving
a
lot.
E
D
Email
recently,
which
was
difficult
to
see
the
individual
messages,
but
there's
been
a
lot
of
thoughtful
input
from
that,
and
you
know
it'll
be
up
to
council
now
to
take
that
input.
That's
come
from
these
various
sources
and
to
try
and
come
up
with
a
proposal
that
that
we
can
basically
support
strongly
and
make
sure
that
it's
coordinated.
D
You
know
with
the
county
so
there's
that
meeting
tonight
and
then
there's
the
final
meeting
before
adopting
some
kind
of
resolution
will
happen
next
wednesday,
that's
march
31st.
So
that's
pretty
much
my
report
from
council.
If
people
have
questions
I'd,
be
happy
to
try
and
address
those.
F
I
just
had
a
couple
questions
on
the
outreach
worker
report.
Thanks
for
sending
it
do
you
happen
to
know
what
is
the
difference
between
individuals
and
encounters,
for
example,
in
safety,
says
number
of
individuals
acquiring
behavioral
intervention
and
then
below
it
number
of
encounters
requiring
behavioral
intervention.
D
Yeah,
so
I
think
I'm
not
absolutely
sure,
but
I
think
this
counts,
so
some
of
the
individuals
will
have
had
multiple
encounters
so.
D
Person
that
has,
throughout
the
reporting
period
three
or
four
encounters
with
the
program.
So
that's
one
individual,
but
it
could
be
four
or
five
encounters,
so
they
try
to
make
sure
that
they
give
a
reflection
of
you
know
the
demand.
You
know
you
might
have
multiple
encounters
with
the
same
person.
So
that's
the
difference
between
those
two
and
then
the
number
of
community
requests.
D
This
is
either
a
member
of
the
public
or
perhaps
a
property
owner
or
a
shopkeeper,
or
somebody
in
the
community
asking
a
community
outreach
worker
for
assistance
with
a
a
an
issue
or
an
incident.
That's
going
on.
So
that's
that's
a
request
coming
from
the
community,
the
other
ones.
The
interventions
are
typically
motivated
by
the
community
outreach
workers,
seeing
some
issue
and
offering
to
help.
F
D
Yep,
so
it's
it's
primarily
the
commons
and
then
down
state
street.
I
I'm
not
sure
I
think
it
goes
all
the
way
to
fulton
street,
but
I'm
not
absolutely
sure.
So
it's
me
it's
basically
the
straight
state
street
corridor,
but
I
think
it
does
also
include
dewitt
park
there.
So
it's
pretty
much
the
kind
of
central
downtown
region
at
the
moment,
richard.
C
Well,
we'll
put
the
discussion
of
that
program
on
the
agenda
for
next
month
for
discussion
and
give
everyone
a
chance
to
read
it,
because
I
don't
think
people
had
a
chance.
D
Yeah-
and
I
only
just
got
the
report
so
I
I
realized
there
hasn't
been
enough
time.
So
that's.
F
F
I
just
had
another
quick
follow-up.
I
saw
the
county
meeting
yesterday
and
or
the
legislature
meeting
yesterday
and
they
seem
to
be
moving
forward
on
some
parts
of
her
proposal
and
other
parts,
not
with
common
council.
I
guess
one
thing
I
noticed
in
the
meetings
was
that
it
looked
like
things
weren't
going
to
be,
or
things
aren't
going
to
be
quite
set
by
april
1st
from
a
county
standpoint.
I
don't
know
yet
I
you
know,
I'm
just
you
all
are
gonna
discuss
about
it
this
time
around.
F
Are
you
all
like
really
just
committed
to
this
april
first
deadline,
or
do
you
anticipate
a
similar
situation.
D
I
wasn't
able
to
tune
in
to
the
county
meeting
richard,
so
I
I
hadn't
heard
that,
but
as
far
as
I
know,
that
april
1st
deadline
is
a
required
deadline
by
the
state,
I'm
not
sure
that
we
can
request
any
kind
of
extension.
I
think
we
have
to
come
up
with
something
I
don't
know
where
the
county's,
what
the
county's
position
is
on
that
currently,
but
that's
my
understanding
is
that
it's
not
really
an
option
not
to
submit
something.
I
think
the
question
is:
what
can
we
come
up
with?
D
As
you
know,
there
are
several
joint
proposals
within
the
report
that
says
basically
that
the
county
and
the
city
will
look
at
doing
something,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
we
agree
on
those
and
I'm
hoping
that
the
county
is
well.
The
county
and
the
city
are
able
to
kind
of
agree
on
some
document
that
can
be
sent
in
a
combined
submission,
rather
than
sending
separate
recommendations
which
is
not
what
we
want.
C
H
I'll
yeah
I'll
defer
to
deputy
chief
jolie.
I
know
that
he's
been
coordinating
these
meetings,
but
I
had
the
availability
today,
so
I
just
wanted
to
be
here.
E
All
right,
so
just
kind
of
a
broad
overview
on
report
from
ipd
is
we're
closing
in
on
chief
mayor's
retirement.
This
is,
I
think,
his
last
day
is
going
to
be
sometime
right
around
the
end
of
this
month
or
april.
1St,
and
after
that
I
will
take
over
as
acting
chief
while
search
for
chief
is
initiated
and
dc
monticello,
and
I
will
still
be
here
continuing
to
forge
forward
and
other
kind
of
circling
back
to
another
question
that
the
board
had
was
reference
to
complaints
for
2020..
E
So
I
did
a
quick
poll
for
2020
and
overall
we
took
12
complaints
from
external
sources,
so
that'd
be
from
citizen
complaints
of
those
12.
I
can
give
you
a
brief
rundown.
We
had
three
of
those
were
unfounded.
Two
of
them
were
sustained.
E
E
We
are
we're
also,
I
guess,
on
other
fronts
here
in
the
department.
We
are
looking
to
fill
a
sergeant
position
so
we'll
be
making
a
promotion
there.
We
have
also
finished
our
physical
fitness
testing,
so
we
have
a
candidate
pool
of,
I
believe
it's
nine
in
total
candidates
that
are
eligible
now
for
us
to
interview
and
move
forward
with
for
filling
vacant
positions,
and
I
think
just
the
way
that
it
breaks
down
right
now,
we're
able
to
interview
five
just
because
of
the
scoring
and
the
requirements
by
civil
service.
E
So
we
have
three
interviews
scheduled
for
this.
This
week
we
followed
up
on
the
rest
of
those
we
currently
are
trying
to
fill
the
two
expected
vacants
or
the
two
positions
that
were
refunded
by
council
that
take
effect
july
1st.
E
In
addition,
we
had
one
officer
who
recently
put
in
papers
to
resign
that
is
transferring
to
another
department
and
so
that
we'll
have
three
basically
and
we're
expecting
one
other
officer
who
will
be
probably
retiring
in
may
so
we'll
likely
have
four
positions
to
fill.
E
Is
it
chief,
is
there
anything
else
or
do
you
see
anything
else,
business-wise
from
the
pd
that
we
could
share.
B
I
think
you
covered
you
covered
the
the
anticipated
vacancy,
the
lateral
transfer.
H
Yeah,
no,
I
yeah,
I
think
you
covered
everything.
H
I
could
say
generically
it's,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
really
tough.
It's
really
a
you
know,
a
a
buyer's
market,
so
to
speak,
because
all
law
enforcement
are
in
need
of
good
quality
police
officers
and
the
officers
are
going
to
go
where
they
can.
You
know,
have
the
the
best
conditions
and
you
know,
obviously,
a
valid
contract
and
certain
other
things,
and
the
news
of
the
department
has
not
been
very
positive
to
attract
and
recruit.
So
I
think
that
really
remains
to
be
seen.
H
But
if
we're
speaking
honestly
about
it,
I
think
we're
going
to
have
challenges
and
we
have
to
be
really
careful
that
we
don't
dilute
our
quality
by
just
filling
positions,
because
that's
a
recipe
for
disaster.
So
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
just
filling
them,
but
then
we're
filling
them
with
qualified
people
and
hopefully
with
diversity
and
people
who
are
going
to
want
to
stay
here.
But
again
there
will
be
challenges.
A
C
I
I
guess
I
just
have
a
quick
question:
is
there
any
timeline
on
on
the
city
going
in
person.
A
As
of
right
now,
that
has
not
been
discussed
in
an
official
capacity.
It's
still.
The
word
still
is
that
we're
just
going
to
keep
the
ball
rolling,
as
things
are,
with
everything
being
virtual
and
as
long
as
the
governor's
orders
keep
extending,
so
that
public
meetings
can
be
conducted
in
this
way,
we'll
continue
to
do.
C
It
originated
with
my
comment
to
the
department.
Please
pass
along
my
appreciation
for
the
job,
the
officers,
and
there
was
some
discussion
that
we
could
write
a
letter
to
such
a
stating
such
too
to
the
officers
themselves
rather
than
pass
it
along
through
the
command
staff.
C
C
C
G
G
We
know
that
they
are
very
good
men,
but
we
can't.
I
don't
think
we
can
quite
publicly
sin
because
he's
supposed
to
be
committed
to
police.
J
Hey
rick
and
the
rest
of
the
group
liz
bruce
here.
I
I
go
along
with
your
second
thoughts
on
what
johnny
just
said
that
I
think
naming
specific
officers
that
were
grateful
to
may
show
a
slant
towards
being
another
extension
of
the
mayor's
office
or
the
ipd.
But
I
think
I
think,
gratitude
to
the
towards
the
you
know:
the
cooperation
that
the
ipd
has
shown
and
willingness
to
meet
with
us
and
to
share
body
cam
video
on
a
technical
level.
J
Just
I
don't
see
how
that
could
be
seen
as
a
slant,
and
certainly
we
could
not
be
doing
a
decent
job
without
the
cooperation
of
the
ipd.
But
that's
not
naming
a
specific
person
or
seeming
to
slant
in
favor
of
ipd.
It's
just
that
their
part
of
our
arrangement
has
been
upheld
and
makes
it
us
even
more
successful.
I
don't
know
if
that's
a
way
to
go
or
not.
F
I
think
hey
where
you
coming
from
bruce.
My
thing
is
like
our
success
is
their
success.
Their
success
is
our
success
all
right.
If
we,
if
we,
when
we're
doing
what
we're
trying
to
do
in
the
right
way,
I
think
at
least
I'm
trying
to
do
it
in
a
way
that
would
help
the
police
department
in
a
way
or
you
are
the
police
department.
You
know
feel
like
they're
learning
in
a
way
or
if
I'm
learning
from
the
police
department,
because
I'm
this
it
can
go
both
ways.
I
don't.
F
F
You
know
for
me,
I
you
know,
I
think
it's
something
to
think
about
before
we
go
ahead
and
I
I
don't
know
I
I
I'm
kind
of
hesitant
in
a
way
not
to
say
that
I
don't
personally
if
it
was
just
to
just
me
and
just
my
name,
I
wouldn't
have
a
problem
going
ahead
and
doing
you
know
a
personal
letter,
but
I
think
in
this
particular
case
I
rather
we
can
just
perhaps
thank
them
for
the
you
know
the
the
years
of
consistent
support
in
the
work
that
they're
doing,
but
I
don't
know
if
I
I'm
just
not
necessarily
just
eager
to
write
this
letter
at
this
moment.
J
I
think
the
timing
might
not
be
the
best
to
go
any
direction
until
things
settle
down
a
little
bit.
Maybe
I
don't
know.
K
H
Can
I
can,
I
add,
a
comment?
Yeah
yeah,
I
just
want
to
say
one
of
the
challenges
we've
had
is.
We
have
not
had
third
party
advocates
to
speak
on
our
behalf
and
a
lot
of
people
know
and
say
the
things
you're
thinking
and
they
they
know
the
quality
we
do.
We
know
they
know
how
compassionate
the
officers
are,
but
nobody
wants
to
come
forward
and
that's
why
the
narrative
of
the
ipd
has
been
so
negative
in
this
last
year.
H
You
know
the
abuse
and
the
emotional
trauma
that
the
officers
were
exposed
to
day
in
and
day
out
is
completely
not
consistent
with
who
they
are
and
what
they
do
and
we're
not
perfect,
never
tried
to
pretend
we
were,
but
we
address
things.
We
are
much
more
transparent
than
many
other
agencies
and
we
do
things
at
a
level
of
quality
that
people
truly
couldn't
understand
unless
they
went
elsewhere.
So
I
just
want
to
add
that
is.
H
It
would
be
very
valuable
to
get
a
third-party
just
speaking
honestly
and
not
asking
for
them
to
say
anything.
That's
not
true,
but
if
you
do
truly
believe
that
we
have
worked
very
well
with
you
and
have
been
a
valued
asset
and
a
partner.
It
would
be
good
for
people
to
know
that,
because
the
only
thing
that
really
makes
it
publicly
is
the
negatives
and
thank
you
for
listening.
F
F
When
you
say
advocacy,
it's
more
a
third
party
advocacy,
I'm
not
necessarily
here
to
pick
one
side
or
the
other,
I'm
kind
of
here
to
call
it
down
the
middle
and
that's
what
I
found
significance
in
this
particular
role,
and
so
in
the
same
way
that
I
you
I
would
you
know
a
judge
and
you
know
that's
the
kind
of
way.
I
view
more
of
our
role
as
opposed
to
what
you're
really
calling
for.
F
Is
these
that's
the
role
of
common
council
that
that's
the
role
they
they're
entitled
in
that
particular
space,
just
to
speak
freely
in
that
capacity.
But
in
this
particular
case
I
feel
like
there's
a
certain
way
that
we
already
kind
of.
We
already
do
those
things
in
the
sense
of
when
a
compliment
comes
in.
We
recognize
the
compliments
when,
when
something
needs
to
be
handled
as
far
as
a
particular
complaint
we
hit,
we
already
handle
it
both
sides
and
to
say
that.
F
We
need
this
place
to
show
that
we
don't.
We
need
this
particular
body
to
say
that
we
to
show
support
it's
to
me.
I
show
my
support
in
my
ma
in
my
ability
to
maintain
a
more
neutral
space
and
respecting
this
position
that
to
me.
So
when
an
opinion
is
made
when
we
say
that
the
police
department
either
handled
it
correct
or
handled
it
in
a
way
that
needs
to
be
corrected,
there's
value
to
it.
F
But
if
I'm
just
going
ahead
and
saying
it
for
the
sake
of
saying
it
all
to
be
able
to
kind
of
involve
ourselves
in
some
kind
of
argument
that
needs
to
that
shouldn't
even
get
to
this
point
in
the
first
place
to
me,
I
think
it
puts
us
in
the
in
in
a
space
that
I'm
not
necessarily
too
comfortable
with
at
the
moment.
C
I
Yeah
I'll,
just
just
yes,
and
and
for
the
record,
I
I
found
myself
trying
to
walk
a
really
really
fine
line
and
thinking
about
how
that
would
be
drafted
so
that
we
as
a
board
wouldn't
be
seen
as
biased
toward
the
police.
I
I
Open
process
and
all
for
all
for
the
the
community
in
in
in
what
we're
doing,
but
in
recognizing
that
I
I
think
it
probably
goes
a
little
too
far
to
commend
the
department
for
being
open
and
honest.
But
again
for
the
record.
I
appreciate
that.
G
Well,
I
know
what
we're
saying
and
I
understand
all
of
that,
but
is
it
wrong
to
say
somebody
did
a
good
job?
I
mean
I'm
not
saying
we
said,
give
them
praise.
B
C
My
misgivings
and-
and
I
will
say
surely
that
some
members
of
the
public
will
use
this
as
an
excuse
to
say
see.
I
told
you
these
guys
are
all
they're,
only
gonna
they're,
only
gonna
favor,
the
police,
that's
the
way
they
are
and
no
matter
how
it's
worded,
and
I
I
understand
what
michael's
saying
about
the
wording,
because
I
tried
to
come
up
with
some
wording
myself
and
I
got
nowhere,
something
that
would
not
show
bias
but
show
appreciation.
C
D
B
Think
it's
important
that
you
know
you
remain
neutral,
however,
going
through
my
personal
file,
I
did
notice,
and
maybe
this
is
something
you
can
do
where
a
member
of
the
public
writes
in
a
letter
or
now
email
appreciation
for
a
working
officer
does
and
that
gets
sent
to
the
community
police
board.
I
know
in
my
file.
I
have
a
few
in
there
where
the
community
police
board-
you
know
just
acknowledged
that
letter
and
that
may
be
a
better
way
to
do
it.
B
A
Yes,
and
in
the
past
I
had
drafted
those
official
statements
on
behalf
of
the
board
thanking
individual
officers
and
teams,
and
anyone
who
was
involved
in
those
compliments
I'd
be
happy
to
continue
doing
so.
I
think
that
just
kind
of
broke
down
once
the
in-person
meetings
stopped
happening.
We
stopped
exchanging
them
physically,
but
if
there's
a
way
they
can
go
in
the
clerk's
box
and
I
do
stop
by
to
pick
things
up
physically
or
they
can
be
emailed
to
me
and
I'd
be
happy
to
to
make
that
happen.
C
I'd
love
to
see
us
continue
our
process
of
hearing
the
compliments
we
used
to
get
them
a
paper
copy
of
those
that
we
could
read
ourselves
and
then
different
members
of
the
department
have
handled
it
differently.
As
far
as
informing
us
of
the
compliments,
we
have
gotten
away
from
that
I'd
like
to
hear
those
compliments
and
continue
the
practice
of
if
a
citizen
sends
in
a
nice
job
that
we
acknowledge
that
and
to
the
officer.
C
F
I
think
just
quickly,
I'm
just
too
quickly,
because
I
know
we
got
to
move
on.
I
agree
that
we
can
definitely
continue
on.
As
far
as
the
compliments
with
what
rick
was
saying.
F
I
also
think
that
for
me,
it's
not
necessarily
about
praising
one
side
or
the
other,
but
telling
about
one
side
and
the
other,
and
so
for
me,
something
that
we
could
do
is
like
if
a
meeting
happens
like
this
once
a
month,
if
another,
obviously
no
problem
having
you
john
vince,
dennis
I
like
having
olly
out,
but
if
you
have
another
officer
that
wants
to
come
in
and
just
quickly
introduce
themselves
right,
just
like
kind
of
randomly
in
a
way
that,
like
it,
you
know,
lets
folks
notice
different
faces
each
different
time
of
to
get
to
know
the
organization.
F
F
Does
that
make
sense,
and
we
can
even
ask
them,
like
general
questions
like
what's
your
favorite
candy?
What's
it
I
don't
know,
but
like
essentially
getting
to
know
the
whole
thing
is.
We
have
to
know
these
people
not
just
by
the
uniform
but
by
their
faces,
and
so
there's
a
way
to
do
that
that
that
I'm
more
interested.
C
Let's
move
along
to
that
second,
one.
That
was
a
came
from
our
last
zoo
meeting
with
the
mayor,
who
suggested
that
some
members
of
the
of
our
board
meet
with
some
representatives
of
the
department,
as
well
as
with
ari,
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of
a
written
guideline.
That
would
become
a
policy
guideline
of
the
department
to
deal
with
the
type
of
situation
that
we
had
on
back
in
october,
that
we
continue
to
have
with
protests,
protesters
and
agitators.
C
Really
not
sure
how
to
move
along,
and
the
suggestion
that
I
had
was.
Maybe
two
members
of
our
board
would
meet
with
maybe
two
members
of
the
department
and
kind
of
hash
this
over
to
where
we're
at
with
this,
because
I'm
not
exactly
sure
how
you
put
in
writing
anything
different
than
is
already
in
writing
and
the
mayor's
suggestion
did
not
answer
our
original
request.
That.
C
E
Can
I
jump
in
here?
I
I
think
you
know
I
guess
my
kind
of
take
on
it
was.
E
I
initially
thought
we
were
going
to
kind
of
agree
upon
some
parameters
that
we
could
put
out
publicly
on
the
you
know,
maybe
on
the
police
department's
website,
but
also,
more
specifically
from
you
know,
city
the
city
website,
and
it
could
be
put
out
by
the
mayor
that
you
know
these
are
the
expectations.
The
department
worked
with
the
community
police
board
and
you
know,
and
the
mayors
in
agreement
that
future
protests
here
are
some
guidelines.
You
know
you
know,
vandalism,
violence
will
result
in.
E
You
know
potential
arrests
and
identify
areas
where
we
welcome
protests.
You
know
like
the
bernie
milton
pavilion
or
the
commons
or
something
along
those
lines.
I
think
it's
gonna
be
really
difficult
for
us
to
develop
one.
E
You
know
in
a
short
period
of
time,
but
I
do
think
we
could
set
parameters
and
and
identify
expectations
for
the
public
so
that
it's
no
surprise
when
the
police
get
involved
or
how
we,
you
know
what
they
might
expect
from
us.
Initially
they
may
we
may
we
could
say
the
police
may
declare
it
unlawful
assembly
you'll,
be
giving
it
a
verbal
direction
and
an
expectation
that
you
will
clear
the
area.
I
you
know
something
along
those
lines.
E
I
think
we
put
like
a
parameters
expectations,
a
clear
guideline
for
protests
in
the
future,
but
I
don't
even
think
we
could
say
will
result
in
the
rest,
because,
even
if
they
violate
some
of
these
things,
we
determine
it's
going
to
all
be
dependent
on
our
staffing
the
time
of
day
where
it
is
there's
going
to
be
so
many
other
factors
we
would
consider
before.
We
necessarily
just
make
an
arrest.
So
I
think
a
more
broad
guideline
or
expectations
seems
more
reasonable.
C
I
think
you
suggested
john,
that
that
would
be
this
will
be
a
product
of
discussions
with
the
board,
the
department,
some
city
staff,
but
when
those
guidelines
get
published
they're
published
by
who
is
it
something
that
the
police
want
to
say?
This
is
our
guidelines
or
the
police
board?
This
is
what
we
think
the
I
my
thought
was
that
this
should
be
something
that
was
published
by
through
the
mayor's
office
and
the
and
the
common
council
that
they're
the
elected
officials.
C
E
C
We
have
members
of
our
our
board,
who
would
be
maybe
two
people
would
be
interested
in
meeting
with
somebody
at
the
department,
at
least
to
get
the
ball
rolling
on
this
sorry.
K
I
don't
yeah,
I
would.
I
would
be
glad
to
meet
and
be
in
that
meeting
because
yeah
I
and
I
wanted
to
thank
mike
for
what
he
said-
the
documents
from
the
demonstrating
new
york
city
and
then
the
aclu
but
yeah
I'd
be
very
interested
because
I
I,
when
I
lived
in
missouri,
I
did
quite
a
bit
of
non-violent
protesting.
K
I
had
quite
a
bit
of
it
and
military
base
against
drones
and
you
know
against
banks
during
the
financial
crash,
but
we
always
followed
certain
rules
so
and
yeah
there
were
things
we
knew
what
we
could
do
and
what
we
shouldn't
and
if
you
wanted
to
be
arrested,
and
then
there
were
things
so
there's
a
lot
that
goes
into
all
this,
but
I'd
be
glad
to
be
on
meet
with
someone.
That
would
be
great.
So
anybody
else
so
thank
you.
F
F
I
don't
know,
I
think,
honestly,
it
should
be
more
than
two
in
a
weird
way.
At
the
very
least
three,
it
gives
a
balanced
perspective,
believe
it
or
not,
and
to
me
the
other
thing
about
this-
that
I'm
also
careful
about.
Is
this
in
a
weird
way.
It's
like
this,
this
freedom
of
protesting
and
public
speaking
is
something
to
be
to
have
it
solely
come
from
the
police
department
on
forward
and,
ultimately
yeah.
F
C
C
One
of
you
want
to
be
the
coordinator
and
get
in
touch
with
soon
to
be
acting
chief,
joe
lee
figure
out
how
you
want
to
meet.
I
I
I
can
do
it,
I
don't
think
it
will
be
that
difficult,
because
there
there
are
rights
and
we
should
specify
what
those
rights
are
and
why
why
we
should
honor
those
and
then
all
those
responsibilities
where
those
gray
lines
that
will
make
you
subject
to
whatever,
whatever
penalties
there
there
might
be.
I
don't
think
it
has
to
be
any
bright
line
or
anything
like
that,
but
I
I
think
we
can
knock
this
out
and
just
put
put
some
thoughts
on
paper
and
then
present
them
to
to
counsel.
I
Responsibility
to
put
that
to
anyone,
although,
although
they
they
should
endorse
whatever
is
being
put
forward.
E
I
think
you
know
what
we
ran
into
or
what
we're
trying.
What
I
thought
we
were
trying
to
kind
of
address
was
in
the
past
if
it
were
just
to
come
from
ipd
and
we
said
here's
the
parameters.
This
is
what
the
law
says.
E
If
you
do
any
of
these
things,
you're
subject
to
arrest
without
the
support
of
counsel,
the
mayor's
office,
the
district
attorney
and
we're
kind
of
just
the
only
one
setting
this
and
it's
kind
of
like
the
police
are,
you
know
it
gets
spun
like
we're,
trying
to
stop
people
from
expressing
their
views
and
thoughts
and
we're
kind
of
like
on
an
island.
So
this
really,
I
think
this
in
order
to
be
effective,
needs
to
be
a
city-wide
approach
like
here
in
the
city
of
ithaca.
D
Yeah,
I
mean
I'll
just
add.
Of
course
we
do
have
a
public
safety
commission
as
well,
which
is
something
I
mean
you
would
to
john's
point
about.
You
know
making
sure
you
get
input
and
people
feel
like
it's
not
coming
from
one
particular
group.
I
think
that
would
be
a
good
idea
and
I
I
would
assume
that
this
would
definitely
be
something
that
I
mean.
This
follows
a
discussion
with
the
mayor.
D
I
don't
know
whether
he's
expecting
to
receive
something
directly,
and
then
I
mean
you
could
certainly
provide
some
advice
that
this
should
be
considered
by
other
groups
like
the
public
safety
commission
or
or
by
city
administration,
because
yeah
to
avoid
this
kind
of
perception
that
it's
come
from,
one
group
that
might
or
might
not
have
a
kind
of
vested
interest.
I
think
that's
that's
obviously
going
to
be
important,
and
if
nothing
else,
this
will
probably
remind
people
of
even
what
the
current
rules
are.
D
I
mean,
I
think,
a
lot
of
people
get
surprised
when
they
say,
oh,
I
could
be
arrested
for
that.
It's
kind
of
like.
Oh,
I
didn't
know
that.
So
I
think,
if
we
are
going
to
encourage
this
kind
of
information,
I
think
it
will
be
very
helpful
to
to
have
it
so
that
people
can
can
recognize
what
the
consequences
of
certain
actions
are.
F
And
this
is,
I
think,
it's
I
guess
to
to
stay
on
on
topic.
Is
it's
one
thing
to
handle
this
particular
request
that
the
mayor's
talking
about,
but
for
me
I
think
there
also
has
to
be
some
sort
of
a
more
full
conversation
right
if
we're
going
to
tell
people.
This
is
how
you
protest.
F
I
think
there's
a
certain
kind
of
there
are
certain
things
that
what
I
looked
at
in
with
his
request
in
his
question.
It
was
one
thing
to
answer.
The
mayor's
particular
question
was
another
thing.
When
I
looked
at
the
thing,
when
I
looked
at
the
the
policies
with
the
departments,
I
noticed
that
the
escalation
is
shaped
in
more
of
a
fashion,
that's
more
of
like
once
the
once
the
other
person
he
escalates.
F
Then
I
then
I,
the
police
officer,
de-escalates
and
most
when
I,
when
de-escalation
prior
to
me,
reading
that
you
know
I
was
born
under
the
assumption
that
it's
just
generally
like
it
first
step,
is
automatically
trying
to
calm
down
the
situation
type
of
thing.
My
point
is,
I
look
just
looking
at
that.
F
I
I
didn't
necessarily
get
a
clear
understanding,
or
I
just
saw
that
there
could
be
a
misgap
between
what
is
de-escalation
within
the
department
and
what
is
the
escalation
outside
of
the
department
and
what
what
that
necessarily
means,
but
that's
just
one
example
I
mean.
Obviously
this
can
go
into
a
different
range
of
discussion.
My
point
is
that
there
are
certain
things
that
can
be
looked
at
as
well.
I
Having
trouble
fitting
this
into
the
context
of
the
protests.
F
F
There
were
certain
things
that
needed
to
be
done
about
that
that
needed
to
be
addressed,
but
I
also
think
that
there
could
be
things
that
we
could
have
been
addressed
or
looked
at
within
the
department
as
well,
and
if
publicly
we're
just
saying
that
it's
the
it's
the
public
that
needs
to
change,
how
they
protest
and
not
necessarily
say
hi,
you
know
how
do
we
as
a
department,
also
respond
to
these
particular
chain?
You
know
you
know
those
changes
on
both
sides
needs
to
be
acknowledged
or
recognize.
D
F
It's
not
that
the
department,
or
whatever,
is
bad
it's
more
of
like.
I
think
that
they
themselves
say
that
there
are
certain
things
that
I
wish
we
could
have
changed
or
not
have
done,
and
I
think
to
have
a
more
fair,
full
conversation
that
that's
what
I
would
that
that
to
me.
I
think,
completes
that
process.
For
me.
I
I
got
it
now
so
the
way
I
was
looking
at
this
in
thinking
about
why
we
would
do
this
is
to
give
both
sides
if
you
will
a
tool
so
that
the
the
officers
will
have.
Maybe
the
outcome
is
a
little
pamphlet
to
give
out
to
the
protest,
organizer
or
or
whatever.
If
there
are
any
questions
so
yeah,
it's
definitely
both
sides
in
my
mind,
to
to
benefit
all
it's
just
education,
information.
C
Well,
graham
brought
up
a
good
point
that
the
public
safety
commission
may
want
to
be
involved
and
that's
fine,
but
if
you
three
meet
with
the
acting
chief
jolie
and
whoever
he
wants
to
designate,
maybe
you
can
come
up
with
some
ideas
that
will
be
a
foundation
to
take
back
to
the
mayor.
Who
then
may
want
to
assign
that
as
a
to
the
public
safety
commission?
C
C
These
are
our
expectations
for
protests.
These
are
our
expectations
for
things
that
you
shouldn't
do,
and
I
remember
our
conversation
about
going
out
blocking
streets.
Is
that?
Okay,
I
don't
I
don't
know.
Is
it
okay
to
go
out
and
slap
cars
and
harass
harass
drivers
is
that?
Okay,
probably
not
those
were
the
type
of
things
we
were
talking
about,
and
it
was.
It
was
a
way
to
protect
the
demonstrators
and
to
protect
the
police
from
antagonizing
one
another,
that
is
to
promote
a
better
relation
between
the
department
and
people
who
want
to
protest.
C
C
A
I
just
wanted
to
chime
in.
I
can
help
with
outreach
towards
the
public
safety
and
information
commission.
They
have
not
met
since
everything
shut
down,
so
I'm
not
sure
how
many
members
have
kind
of
moved
on
to
other
ventures,
but
this
is
certainly
of
interest
to
that
board.
If
you
would
like
me
to
connect
anyone
with
that
board
and
see
who
might
be
interested
in
collaborating
or
maybe
call
special
meetings
see
if
there's
enough
remaining
board
members
for
quorum,
but
just
let
me
know
if
I
can
help
with
that
connection
at.
C
D
Yeah
rick
well,
as
melody
said,
the
public
safety
hasn't.
You
know
met
for
a
while,
so
I
I'm
sort
of
disappointed
in
that,
but
we
can.
At
least
I
mean
I
think,
having
these
meetings
and,
as
I
said
at
the
very
least,
coming
up
with
a
list
of
what
even
what
the
current
conditions
are
would
be
helpful.
And
then
you
could
look
at
that
and
say:
well,
that's
still
a
bit
unclear.
D
So,
let's
clear
this
up,
so
even
if
there
aren't
any
changes,
I
think
this
would
be
really
helpful
because,
as
people
have
said,
there
was
no
real
shared
understanding
of
what
was
expected.
I
think,
and
that's
if
people
have
that
going
into
these,
they
can
make
decisions.
That
still
doesn't
mean
there
won't
be
misunderstandings,
but
it'll
help
minimize
them.
I
think
in
terms
of
what
is
and
isn't
expected-
and
I
I
won't
speak
for
all
on
council,
but
I'm
sure
we
would
be
very
happy.
D
B
B
B
C
Well,
we'll
let
charlie
ricky
mike
coordinate
that
and
with
the
with
the
department
and
see
what
we
come
up
with.
C
C
Well,
all
right,
so
the
last
thing
as
far
as
new
business,
it
was
labeled
discussion
of
ipd
internal
investigations.
There
were
a
couple
things
there.
C
One
was
a
proposal.
I
know.
C
C
C
How
well
complaints
are
being
resolved
or
how
well
they're
not
being
resolved?
We
don't
know-
and
I
know
we're
going
to
go
to
executive
session,
to
discuss
anything
particular
with
that.
Those
were
kind
of
two
ideas
about
changing
the
board's
role
when
complaints
are
brought
directly
to
the
department
and
resolved
by
the
department,
I'm
going
to
throw
that
out
for
discussion.
E
I'll
join
or
I'll
chime
in
here
for
just
kind
of
some
perspective
from
our
department.
So
whenever
we
get
a
complaint,
if
the
citizen
you
know,
comes
to
a
supervisor
or
makes
a
complaint
here
at
the
pd
or
out
on
the
street,
they're
always
referred,
they're
always
offered
referral
to
the
cpb.
We
always
that's.
One
of
the
first
thing
to
do
is
offer
to
have
them
file
the
complaint
with
the
cpb
oftentimes.
E
When
we
take
complaints,
it's
because
the
person
chose
and
requests
that
we
follow
up
on
the
complaint
and
on
our
website
on
the
pd.
Actual
police
department's
website
is
a
pdf
and
a
link
with
all
the
information
on
how
to
for
the
complaints
to
the
cpb
regarding
officer,
so
it's
definitely
part
of
our
process.
I
think
it
is
clearly
up
for
discussion.
E
I
think
it
would
may
be
easier
if
we
did
kind
of
like
a
summary
to
the
board,
like
we
had
these
complaints
come
in,
maybe
quarterly
or
so
forth
for
the
year
and
as
they're
closed
out,
we
could
kind
of
give.
E
E
I
don't
know
if
that
would
be
what
you're
trying
to
get
at
or
if
you're,
specifically
looking
for
us
to.
You
know,
send
a
letter,
because
currently
we
don't
necessarily
have
a
formal
letter
that
we
send
out
at
the
end
of
complaint,
where
we
would.
It
sounds
like
where
you're
you're
kind
of
talking,
we
would
send
some
sort
of
a
communication
to
the
person
and
refer
them
to
the
cpb
for
us
kind
of
like
a
secondary
review
or
input
or
feedback.
F
I
think
there's
a
couple
different
fronts
in
terms
of
like
there's
there's
something
to
say
about
having
the
you
know
having
someone
being
able
to
like
you
already,
you
know,
you've
already
said
it
done,
be
able
to
file
a
complaint
with
the
police
board
to
direct
us,
but
I
think
the
more
I
think,
the
more
I
think
about
that.
F
I
should
say
the
more
I
realized
the
issue
to
me
is
that
we're
making
it
the
question
for
me
is
like
how
can
you
make
it
easier
for
the
consumer
or
for
the
customer
and
in
this
particular
case
the
only
way
I
think
to
do
that
is
no
matter
how
many
different
signs
we
can
put
or
whatever
we
can
or
ultimately
left
to
assume
that
you
know
people.
F
F
You
know
it
would
be
easier
to
know
that,
like
there's
a
database
or
private
database
that
only
select
folks
have
access
to,
I
might
be
asking
for
too
much
but
being
a
to
me.
The
issue
is
more
of
lack
of
information
on
multiple
fronts
and
it's
one
thing
to
hear
these
are
the
you
know,
12
complaints
that
we
got
unresolved,
but
you
know
one
result
this
and
that
and
that's
cool-
and
I
appreciate
just
you
know,
sharing
the
information
I
don't
want
to
say.
I
don't
appreciate
that.
F
My
point
is:
is
that
it's
not
as
informative
as
some
may
assume,
and
so
for
me?
I
really
can't
really
do
too
much
with
that
particular
kind
of
information.
But
if
I'm
able
to
say
I'll
go
to
the
particular
database
and
say
oh,
we
got
such
and
such
report.
Obviously
nissan
a
confidentiality
process.
We've,
probably
we
can
conceive
from
the
complaints
that
we've
done
and
the
way
we've
handled
reports
in
the
press
that
we
can
handle
confidentiality.
F
F
I
know
what
they're
about
I
you
know
I'm
just
aware
of
things
of
that
nature
and
then,
if
we
can
then
from
there,
I
think
that
to
me
helps
that
particular
evaluation
in
terms
of
if
they
submit
an
evaluation
and
they
need
to
know
they
say
that
hey,
you
know,
that's
this
evaluation.
Their
evaluation
says
some
point
of
interest
or
particular
kind
of
inquiry.
Work
not
coming
into
it
having
to
start
all
over.
F
You
come
in
already
having
a
little
background
and
you're
you're
kind
of
working
with
a
little
bit
more
substance
to
address
the
information
more
digital
diligently,
but
a
little
bit
faster.
At
the
same
time,
sorry,
that
was
a
lot
of
rambling,
but
I
clearly
have
thought
about
this
in,
like
100
points.
E
So
I
would
only
I
guess
I
would
just
throw
this
out
there
is.
You
know
I
feel
like
there
is
value
in
the
board
doing
a
completely
independent
investigation.
You
know
without
referencing
what
we've
done.
I
don't
know
like
I
mean.
Certainly
we
work
together
and
we'll
share
information
as
needed,
but
it
almost
seems
like
maybe
a
fresh
look
from
the
board
without
any
background
from
us
may
at
times
be
beneficial
and
as
far
as
a
database,
we
don't
actually
have
that
right
now.
E
You
know
we
kind
of
work
off
of
excel
right
now,
so
I
mean
we
could
maybe
come
up
with
some
way
to
have
a
shared
excel
spreadsheet
that
you
could
view,
but
it's
not
gonna.
I
don't
know
how
much
info
you're
looking
at
to
seeing
it.
There's
you
know
hard
copies
of
reports
here
for
the
most.
H
And
with
that
you
know
we
should
mention
what's
in
that
excel
sheet
dc
julie.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
one
up,
but
basically
every
case
just
for
the
board's
knowledge.
If
a
complaint
comes
in,
it
automatically
gets
an
internal
control
number
for
the
year.
So
every
year
has
a
different
data
or
excel
list
that
controls
it.
So
I'll
have
a
control
number
the
nature
of
the
complaint,
the
name
of
the
officer
or
officers
who
are
involved.
H
Then
it'll
have
a
brief
description
of
you
know
the
you
know
what
the
complaint
is
alleging
and
then
with
the
findings.
So
I
mean
that
might
be
enough
if
that's
kind
of
what
you
and
then,
if
there's
something
that
peaks
curiosity
past
that,
then
you
know
we
can.
You
know
maybe
go
case
by
case,
because
some
of
them
may
be
an
officer
did
not
call
back
complainment
in
a
timely
fashion.
H
Complainant
was
not
happy
and
I
mean
so
that
would
be
the
gist
of
it
and
then
it
might
say
for
the
disposition
officer
spoken
to
officer,
issued
a
counseling
memo
and
so
forth,
and
then
we
also
do
a
color-coded
system
just
to
show
as
an
easy
way
to
recognize.
If
an
officer
now
is
in
there
a
second
time
within
the
calendar
year,
they'll
get
a
color
coding
so
that
you
can
see
two
green,
two
pink,
two
yellow
whatever
is
assigned
to
that
particular
person
for
multiple
complaints.
H
It
shows
maybe
a
possible
pattern
so
again
just
putting
that
out
there.
No
like
richard
to
your
point:
no,
we
don't
have
a
sophisticated
database
which
would
be
nice,
but
the
method
we
do
have
still
allows
us
to
see.
Who
has
what
complaint,
how
many
in
a
year
what
the
disposition
is.
So
it's
just
putting
that
out.
There.
C
To
this
reimagining
policing
is
there's
a
perception
there.
There
are
all
sorts
of
complaints
about
the
police,
they're
they're
doing
this
they're
doing
that,
and
yet
we
don't
see
those
complaints
as
a
before
they
don't
come
to
us.
I'm
not
sure
that
the
department
sees
them
either
so
part
of
what
the
way
I
saw
it
was
that,
where
are
all
the
complaints
and
how
do?
How
do
we
get?
C
How
do
we
say
to
ourselves?
Okay,
if
there
are
complaints,
how
do
we
say
to
citizens
if
their
complaints
there
are
ways
to
take
care
of
it?
You
can
go
to
the
department,
you
can
go
to
the
police
board,
but
I
remain
concerned
that
there
are
complaints
floating
around
that
aren't
maybe
even
really
complaints.
C
F
I
think,
to
be
frankly,
honest,
that's
a
question
just
for
the
city.
At
a
certain
point,
there
has
that's
more
of
a
question
of
resources
and
how
much
resources
we
do
have
to
pursue
to
pursue
a
certain
endeavor
if
you're,
just
looking
at
our
charter,
you
know
you
could
already
see
our
own
particular
limitations
and
where
we
are
now
and
and
so
to
me,
I
feel,
like
part
of
this
conversation
would
also
involve
you
know
how,
where
how
much
the
city
wants
to
be
able
to.
F
F
If
you
really
want
to
get
the
effect
that
you're
that
you're
talking
about,
I
think
you're
talking
about
at
least
or
at
least
something
you
know
remotely
to
the
to
that
point,
but
I
don't
know
if
it
can,
if
solely
this
board,
can
necessarily
get
to
do
to
get
to
that
point.
Where
we're
you
know
it's
standard
for
folks
to
understand
that
this
is
a
space
that's
available
to
submit
your
complaint.
D
Well,
let
me
I
just
I
mean
rick.
This
is
a
whole
separate
topic,
but
you
know
I
mean
this
is
exactly
what
the
reimagining
process
was
about
was
reaching
out
to
parts
of
the
community
that
basically
didn't
feel
comfortable
coming
forward
either
to
the
department
or
to
the
community
police
board,
and
you
know
we
through
that
process
have
recognized
that
you
know
there's
a
lot
and
I
think
ipd
recognizes
that
as
well.
There's
a
lot
that
needs
to
be
done
to
improve
trust.
D
So,
even
though
people
don't
complain
to
the
established
organizations,
that
doesn't
mean
that
the
lack
of
trust
or
the
concern
isn't
out
there.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
evidence
from
the
process
that
has
gone
through
that.
That's
that
that
that
kind
of
lack
of
trust
is
out
there
and
what's
been
proposed.
Is
you
know
one
response
to
that?
It
doesn't
mean
that
that's
council's
response
and
we've
had
a
huge
amount
of
input,
as
you
know,
certainly
appreciating
the
work
that
ipd
does,
and
I
certainly
appreciate
that
as
well.
D
That
doesn't
mean
we've
got
a
perfect
system
that
we
don't
need
to
improve
and
I
think,
from
the
conversations
I've
had
with
officers
and
with
messages
that
we've
received
from
individuals
and
from
the
pba
there's
a
recognition
that
yeah.
We
definitely
need
to
work
on
this,
because
there
is
this
real
gap
between
what
the
department
and
what
the
community
wants
from
a
relationship.
D
I
mean
it
has
to
be
based
on
much
more
trust
than
we're
seeing
right
now,
so
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
there
was
a
series
of
recommendations
there
about
really
trying
to
improve
that
situation,
and
so
I
think
you
know
the
board
definitely
would
want
to
have
this
as
an
ongoing
topic
of
conversation.
But
I
I
don't
think
it's
necessarily
going
to
be
how
you're
going
to
convince
people
to
come
to
the
board.
F
Department,
I
think
the
discussion
is
more
than
just
hey
you.
Everyone
has
a
complaint
about
the
police.
You
know
it's
not
like
I'm
trying
to
have
a
little
a
little
shop.
You
know
station
around,
like
a
city
trying
to
force
complaints
to
happen.
I
just
think
that
it's
something
where
I
I
don't
know.
If
it's
it's
it's
just
to
answer.
Rick's
question.
I
just
didn't
know
if
it's
something
that
it's
solely
us
that
can
be
able
to
do.
K
F
K
I
have
can
I
have
a.
I
have
a
question
for
graham
real
quick.
What's
I
know
that
it
has
to
be
submitted
by
april
1
right?
What
is
when
is
when
will
the
city
council
like
vote?
K
How
are
they
going
to
like
rewrite
or
take
all
this
public
input,
rewrite
it
and
then
approve
it
that
fast,
because
I
see
it's
on
the
legislature's
schedule
for
march
30th
for
a
special
meeting
on
tuesday
march
30th.
K
D
Well
so
this
is
that's
a
very
good
question
shari,
so
we're
not
going
to
rewrite
this
report.
What
we
can
do
and
what
we
have
been
doing,
is
thinking
about
the
recommendations.
D
Those
recommendations
were
a
series
of
recommendations
that
can
be
considered.
Some
of
them
are
more
definite
than
others.
Some
of
them
talk
about
exploring
things
or
doing
more
studies
and
that
kind
of
stuff
others
recommend
taking
specific
action
now,
and
I
think
we
certainly
have
the
time
and
the
opportunity-
and
this
meeting
tonight
starts
there
to
think
about.
Well,
so
do
we
agree
with
this
recommendation?
D
If
not,
what
would
we
like
to
see
changed
and
then
we
can
say
this
is
what
we
want
to
see
changed
about
this,
and
then
we
would
hope
to
get
something,
some
document
that
would
say
here's
the
report
and
here's
what
we
want
to
be
changed
and
then
that
would
be
voted
on
and
submitted.
So,
yes,
the
county
meets
on
tuesday
and
then
common
council
meets
on
wednesday,
the
31st,
and
that
will
be
our
final
meeting
to
vote
on
something
to
submit
to
the
state.
D
Having
said
that,
a
lot
of
this,
it's
not
like
something
ends
on
friday
evening
and
then
monday.
We
have
this
whole
new.
Whatever
it
is,
I
mean
this
is
going
to
be
many
many
years
in,
in
whatever
suggestions
or
whatever
transformations
or
whatever
reforms.
We
want
it's
going
to
take
several
years
to
get
these
measures
in
place.
I
think.
D
C
Well,
I
think
we're
done
with
that
topic
before
we
go
to
executive
session.
Graham
just
a
reminder,
we're
still
short
one
member
so
marshall,
that
search
committee,
and
maybe
we
can
get
one
member.
I'm
always
reminded
that.
How
short
we
were
for
such
a
long
time.
A
A
D
So
yeah
I'll
be
happy
to
do
that.
Richard
we're
looking
at
one
of
them
mike
simmons,
was
reappointed
and
hannah
logue
who's,
not
with
us
today,
but
she
was
her.
Her
point
was
also.