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A
A
A
D
So
we're
open
johnny's
on
his
way
when,
when
he
can
get
here,
he'll
he's
going
to
come
over
here,
so
he'll
be
along
and
shirley
is
still
down
and
corning
in
the
rehab
center.
E
Okay,
cool
that
goes
to
then
council,
graham.
F
Okay,
thank
you.
I
wasn't
quite
sure
if
we
had
any
comments
from
the
public
melody.
Did
we
get
anything?
Okay,
no,
nothing
come
by
email,
so
I
just
wanted
to
check.
So
thank
you.
F
As
you
may
be
aware,
the
over
the
past
several
months
there's
been
a
number
of
meetings,
public
outreach
as
part
of
the
initiative
for
reimagining
public
safety,
and
I
sent
you
a
link
so
the
draft
of
the
recommendations
summarizing
much
of
this
public
input
from
focus
groups
and
things
was
published
on
monday.
F
I
think
I
sent
you
all
a
link
to
the
county
website,
so
it's
on
the
county
website,
because
a
lot
of
this
was
done
in
coordination
with
the
county
and
it
was
decided
that
it's
better
to
have
it
in
one
place
rather
than
in
several
different
places,
so
we're
pointing
people
to
that
and
that
is
going
to
be
available
for
the
public
to
take
a
look
at
council
will
actually
be
hearing
about
that
kind
of,
for
I
mean
some
of
us
have
been
on
some
of
the
working
groups,
but
the
presentation
will
be
at
the
public
meeting.
F
There's
a
a
committee.
What's
called
a
committee
of
the
whole
tonight
at
six
o'clock,
which
that
meeting
of
course
will
be
broadcast
on
youtube,
so
that's
where
this
report
will
be
presented
to
council
for
the
first
time
I've
already
looked
through
some
of
it.
It's
a
long
document
for
those
of
you
that
haven't
read
it.
I
think
it's.
F
Pages
yeah
and
there's
there's
a
lot
of
appendices
as
well.
So
in
terms
of
the
community
police
board,
there
is
a
section
there
on
making
some
recommendations
about
some
changes
to
the
community
police
board,
which
obviously
this
group
would
want
to
take
a
look
at
and
discuss
thoroughly.
But,
as
I
said,
there's
going
to
be,
I
think
there's
also
going
to
be
a
town
hall
meeting.
I
was
looking
for
that
perhaps
on
thursday
evening,
but
I'm
not
quite
sure
I
couldn't
find
the
details
of
that
melody.
H
A
F
Do
you
have
anything
information
on
that
or.
A
F
Yes,
exactly
so
that
that's
the
the
main
report
from
from
council
and
we're
still
meeting,
as
as
you
probably
know,
by
zoom,
that's
going
to
be
likely
to
continue
for
the
foreseeable
future.
Obviously
we're
pleased
that
the
vaccination
program
is
starting
to
roll
out,
but
we
don't
have
any
news
from
the
state
in
terms
of
when
in-person
meetings
might
be
resuming.
F
I
think
we've
all
managed
reasonably
well
up
to
this
point
touchwood.
So
I
think
we
certainly
wouldn't
want
to
rush
to
have
people
reassembling
before
we
have.
You
know
the
the
detailed
kind
of
guidelines
from
the
state
so
we're
certainly
on
common
council
continuing
to
meet
as
the
committees
or
as
the
council
as
a
whole
by
zoom.
F
We
do
get
a
fair
amount
of
public
input
either
in
person
during
the
meetings
or
especially
by
emails
that
isn't
obviously
as
engaging
as
in
person
comments.
But
we
still,
we
still
get
a
lot
of
input
from
from
the
community
and
we
are
beginning
to
get
emails
and
comments
about
this
draft
document.
So
that's
something
that's
already
beginning,
so
I'm
happy
to
try
and
address
any
questions
or
comments
that
the
board
may
have
at
this
stage.
As
I
say,
the
presentation
isn't
until
this
evening.
F
D
Did
you
we
were
on
national
tv
last
night
on
the
joy
read,
readout
show
seven
o'clock
on
msnbc.
I
It
seems
to
be
the
most
radical
proposal
so
far
put
out
nationwide,
which
is
okay.
I
mean
I
guess,
if
you're
going
to
go
with
reimagining,
then
reimagine
to
your
fullest
ability,
but
there's
also
something
about
you
know
if
it
gets
mired
down
into
whether
you
know
the
police
department
itself
was
left
out
of
what
was
going
to
happen.
That
could
be
a
stumbling
block
and
I
I
don't
know
seems
like
the
mayor
is
already
apologizing
for
forgetting
to
let
the
police
department
know
that
he
was
going
to
do
this.
F
Well,
bruce,
I
think,
you're,
referring
to
the
interview
with
gq
magazine,
which
I
think.
I
Gq,
I
didn't
even
know
what
gq
was.
You
know,
general
porters
or
you
know
yeah.
I
badly
got
the
quota
or
something
but
anyway
yeah.
I
just
saw
that
I
mean
just
minutes
before
we
started
this
meeting
and
I'm
going
oh
boy,
you
know
you
know,
I
don't
need
it.
We
don't
need
a
stumbling
block
like
that.
But
it's
not
our.
I
don't
know
it's
not
in
our
purview.
It's
it's!
It's
in
the
mayor's
pocket.
I
guess
to
figure
that
out.
F
Well,
I
think
let
me
let
me
just
respond
to
that.
I
mean,
I
think
it
is
unfortunate.
I
think
the
mayor
realized
that
and
apologized
for
it,
but
having
said
that,
I
think
there
was
an
effort,
and
this
wasn't.
You
know
this
whole
initiative
wasn't
necessarily
started
by
an
individual.
If
anybody
it
was
the
the
governor
saying
you
know,
I
want
these
kind
of
proposals
by
april
in
terms
of
local
communities.
F
So,
as
far
as
I
know,
I
think
many
focus
groups
were
included,
including
some
input
from
the
police
department
and
also,
I
think,
want
to
recognize
that
this
is
being
done
also
in
coordination
with
the
county.
So
I
mean
many
of
you'll,
see
many
of
the
recommendations
require
joint
effort
from
the
city
and
from
the
county,
and
of
course
you
know,
this
is
a
draft
right
now,
there's
gonna
be
obviously
some
responses
to
this.
F
In
terms
of
you
know
whether
these
recommendations
are
actually
going
to
work,
whether
they
can
put
into
effect.
You
know,
as
I
said,
this
was
a
summary
based
on
the
outreach
that
was
done,
and
I
think
if
I
can
say
anything,
it
would
be
focus
on
the
report
rather
than
what's
going
on
in
the
media.
In
terms
of
you
know
whether
people
misstep
or
whether
they
report
it
as
radical.
F
Let's,
let's
really
look
at
what
the
recommendations
are
and
and
and
the
response
to
those,
and
certainly
from
the
community
police,
ball
perspective.
Of
course
you
don't
have
to
restrict
yourselves
to
that
I
mean,
and
I
hope
you
don't,
because
this
is
a
wide
ranging
there
are.
I
think,
19
recommendations
in
this
draft
report,
so
it
is
going
to
take
some
fairly
close
study
to
look
at
that,
but
certainly
look
at
what
they're
saying
about
the
community
police
board
in
terms
of
the
recommendations
as
well.
F
D
Did
yeah,
graham,
I
hope,
you're
aware
because
I
think
I've
copied
you,
but
we
have
a
meeting
with
the
mayor
on
march
10th.
D
To
discuss
the
police
board,
he
I
spoke
with
him
on
the
telephone
and
he
had
a
lot
of
ideas,
subpoena
power
power
to
discipline
things
with
those
things
we've
discussed
before.
A
F
That's
something,
obviously,
we
can
certainly
discuss
in
more
detail
on
the
10th,
but
I
think
also
it
is
important
to
recognize
that
you
know
the
mayor
might
have
a
vision,
but
these
recommendations
were
also
the
result
of
input
from
these
focus
groups.
There's
some
type
there's.
Definitely
some
frustration
that
the
community
police
board
doesn't
have
certain
authority
or
certain
powers.
F
That
doesn't
mean
that
you
necessarily
agree
with
that.
You
might
say:
well,
you
know
we're
working
just
fine,
but
I
think
that's
what
you're,
seeing
in
the
report
and
what's
being
recommended,
is
based
on
the
summary
of
you
know
the
these
meetings
and
there's
a
whole
list
of
you
know
these
different
focus
groups,
but
also
the
the
community
outreach
which
necessarily
in
with
the
pandemic,
was,
was
not
a
question
of
these
large
public
meetings.
F
A
lot
of
them
were
done
by
zoom,
but
I
think
there
was
a
pretty
extensive
list
of
groups
that
that
met
or
kind
of
efforts
to
engage
and
seek
public
input
through
online
methods.
So,
as
I
say,
I
I
think
definitely
demed
would
definitely
want
to
hear
from
from
members
of
the
community
police
board.
I'm
assuming
that
some
of
you,
maybe
some
of
you
were
involved
in
you-
know
any
of
these
working
groups
that
basically
provided
information
to
the
coordinators,
but
maybe
I'm
mistaken
on
that.
I
I
was
definitely
not
contacted
as
a
as
a
member
of
a
focus
group.
I
mean
when
I
read
the
draft
of
this
reimagining.
It
was
the
first
time
I
realized
that
it
was
a
lot
more
extensive
than
I
had
realized,
and
I
was
like
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
going
on
that.
I
had
never
been
aware
of
so
I
didn't
know
about
it.
F
E
Like
walking
into
a
room
of
60
people
that
are
talking
at
the
same
time
and
expecting
that
you're
going
to
be
hurt,
and
so
even
the
things
that
were
held
virtually
were
held
in
a
webinar
style.
So
really
wasn't
this
kind
of
interactive
process.
E
I'm
sure
efforts
were
made
and
perhaps
collecting
information
from
maybe
folks
that
submitted
thoughts,
written
thoughts
electronically
but
yeah
when
they
say
these
focus
groups.
You
know,
at
least
from
from
the
experience
that
I
saw
you
know
my
thought
of
focus
groups
were
a
little
different,
but
you
know
take
it.
What
you
will.
H
Yeah
I
it's
obviously
done
deal
now,
so
we
can't
really
go
back
and
change
it,
but
I
wish,
like
we
had
been
one
of
the
first
groups
to
have
been
contacted
about
this,
because
we,
you
know,
work
in
this
kind
of
interim
between
the
community
and
the
police,
because
that's
what
we
do,
and
so
I
think,
like
you
know,
I
regret
not
have
sorry,
that's
my
dog
in
the
background
not
having
been
such
a
large
part
of
the
process,
and
I
wish
that
you
know
we
have
been
contacted
a
little
bit
sooner
and
so
that
we
yeah
could
have
given
some
more
input.
F
Well,
and
let
me
say
hannah
to
your
comment
about
done
deal
of
course:
it's
not
a
done
deal.
This
is
a
draft
of
recommendations,
and
certainly
you
know
if
the
board
feels
that
they
weren't
necessarily
given
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
you
certainly
have
that
now
in
this
draft,
and
you
certainly
should
focus
on
if
you
have
limited
time
on
what
the
suggestions
are
for
the
community
police
board.
As
rick
said,
there
aren't
any
specific
recommendations,
except
there.
F
Suggestions
that
the
board
might
have,
you
know,
extended
powers
or
increased
powers
and
if
there's
a
feeling,
at
least
with
the
current
members,
that
that's
not
something
that's
appropriate,
then
you
definitely
want
to
provide
that
feedback,
and
certainly
I
think
that's
why
the
mayor
wanted
to
get
together
with
the
board
next
well
on
the
10th.
I
guess
to
get
further
input
on
this.
F
I
will
say
yes,
of
course,
we
would
have
probably
wanted
to
have
more
time,
but
even
then,
I
think
one
of
the
challenges
was
from
from
the
city's
perspective
was
the
timetable
involved.
That
is,
you
know
the
the
governor
said
that
he
wanted
to
have
this
these
reports
or
these
recommendations
by
the
first
now
those
recommendations,
even
if
they're
agreed
at
this
level-
and
they
obviously
have
to
be
agreed
by
the
county
and
the
city,
they
then
have
to
go
to
the
state
and
the
state
might
say
you
know
we're
that.
F
No
we're
not
interested
in
this
we're
not
interested
in
that.
So
you
know
it's
not
like.
This
is
gonna
suddenly
be
implemented
by
council
or
by
the
county.
This
is
really
just
the
beginning
of
the
process
in
terms
of
making
some
recommendations
that
can
be
either
accepted
or
rejected.
Basically,.
D
Graham,
I
had
a
question
for
you.
I
I
noticed
that
in
that
report
there's
an
indication
that
well,
the
report
is
saying
they're
looking
for
a
pretty
total
reorganization
of
the
ithaca
police
department,
but
I
didn't
see
anything
there
about
the
sheriff's
department
doing
that
kind
of
total
reorganization
and
I
wasn't
really
clear
the
county's
part
in
this.
I
know
they
were
part
of
collecting
information,
but
I
didn't
see
anything
in
that
report.
That
really
said
this
is
what
the
county's
going
to
do.
Am
I
missing
something.
B
And
before
you
answer,
can
I
add
that,
on
top
of
that,
I
am
kind
of
confused
about
the
role
of
the
other
community
policing.
B
That's
going
on
like
the
cornell
police
and
the
kuga
heights
and
anyone
else
within
thompkins
county,
whether
they're
going
to
kind
of
be
absorbed
within
this
or
are
they
completely
separate,
or
are
they
not
to
be
included
at
all.
F
Sorry
mike
so
I
I
don't
know
what
the
other
recommendations
are.
I
mean
certainly
there's.
No,
I
don't
think
there's
any
recommendation
in
there
that
there
would
be
any
kind
of
combining
of
municipal
forces,
so
you
know
those
I
mean
the
guidelines
from
the
governor
were
that
he
wanted
us
and
I
don't
know
how
granular
those
municipalities
were.
But
you
know
each
municipality
was
instructed
to
basically
submit
some
kind
of
plan
to
the
governor
in
terms
of
reimagining,
as
it
says,
public
safety.
F
So
you
want
to
just
keep
things
the
same
everything's,
fine.
You
want
to
try
and
change
things
submit
these
plans
by
april
1st.
That
doesn't
include,
as
far
as
I
know,
in
any
of
the
recommendations
that
I
saw
and
I've
haven't
looked
through
every
page
there,
but
these
other
units
that
you
talked
about
like
the
cornell
police,
I'm
not
even
sure
that
cornell,
the
cornell
department
was
part
of
that
reimagining
from
the
state.
I
don't
think
it
was.
F
I
think
I
see
john
kind
of
shaking
his
head
there,
so
I'm
I'm
assuming
that
that
wasn't
they
weren't
under
that
kind
of
instruction
and
rick
in
terms
of
the
counties
you
know
in
the
sheriff's
office
I
haven't,
I
haven't
seen
any
specific
recommendations
there
about
what
the
county
might
be
doing,
except
where
it's
combined.
I
mean
there
are
some
things
about.
F
I
I
think
there
was
something
specifically
in
that
draft
that
said
that,
within
the
jurisdiction
of
each
police
department,
any
other
coordinating
police
department
had
to
basically
submit
to
you
know
the
jurisdiction
like
how
their
policy
was
crafted.
So
I
mean
I
don't
know-
maybe
that's
always
been
the
case,
but
you
know.
Should
the
state
police
come
into,
you
know
ithaca
and
be
on
clinton
street.
I
They
would
have
to
be
under
the
guidance
of
the
police
department
and
their
policy
as
well
as,
if
we
were,
you
know,
if
the
police
had
to
be
called
out
to
newfield
would
be
under
the
you
know,
guides
of
the
sheriffs.
I
I
you
know
something
in
that
draft
said
that
each
area
would
submit
to
the
dra.
You
know
whatever
the
policy
of
that
governing
area
was
that
this
may
be
insignificant.
F
I
mean
john
may
have
something
to
say
on
that,
but
I
think
you
know
when
there's
coordination
between
outside
agencies-
and
I
know
there
is
like
state
troopers
sometimes
coming
in-
they
are
and
john's
going
to
correct
me,
but
I
think
they're
under
the
the
kind
of
guidance
of
the
the
the
jurisdiction
of
the
force.
That's
in
there.
So
I
don't
think
state
troopers
come
in
and
and
kind
of
act
without
working
with
the
with
in
this
case
with
ipd.
So
is
that
what
you're
talking
about.
I
I
If
there's
going
to
be
a
really
big
difference
between
policies
of
you
know,
sheriff's
department
and
ipd
or
or
a
community
resource
officer
or
whatever
we're
calling
it.
G
Yeah
I
can
weigh
in
for
a
little
bit,
maybe
provide
a
little
perspective
on
bruce
on
that,
so
the
sheriff's
department
and
the
state
police
have
congruent
or
concurrent
jurisdiction
with
us
in
the
city.
So
essentially
the
state
police,
their
policies
come
from
the
governor,
the
sheriff
they
come.
The
sheriff
set,
the
policies
for
the
county
and
the
city.
Police
chief
sets
the
policies
for
the
city
police
department.
So
for
us,
since
we
would
be
the
smallest
jurisdictional,
you
know:
agents
the
agency,
the
smallest
jurisdictional
area.
F
G
The
county,
sheriff's
department,
you
know
that
we're
out
there,
the
state
police
they
have
jurisdiction
throughout
the
entire
state
for
every
town,
every
village,
every
city,
and
that
doesn't
change.
So
they
they
operate
under
their
own
policies
and
procedures.
Whether
they're
in
the
city
of
ithaca
or
outside
in
you
know,
unincorporated
areas
of
the
state,
so
they
don't
actually
come
in
and
then
follow
our
policies.
G
You
know
whether
you
got
stopped
by
a
deputy
or
an
off-city
police
officer.
You
know
there
would
be
similar
kind
of
expectations
of
how
things
work
there'd
be
sharing
of
information
within
the
county,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
would
adopt
their
policies
or
they
would
adopt
ours
or
or
anything
quite
that
extensive
and
then,
as
far
as
point
out,
police
and
ithaca
college
police
department,
public
safety,
they're,
they're,
private
they're,
not
municipal
departments,
so
they
don't
fall
underneath
the
same
parameters
that
we
do.
H
G
Yeah,
I
believe
they
were
represented
in
here.
I
think
they
took
part
in
it.
Okay,
I
think
you
know
to
this
this
to
the
point
of
this.
This
is
a
very
lengthy
proposal
here.
I
think
some
of
the
things
that
I
found
to
be
important
to
kind
of
keep
in
perspective
or
to
think
to
look
at
it
is
that
this
is.
This
is
a
concept
you
know,
there's
nothing
in
this
proposal.
That's
like
structural
there's,
so
many
things
that
have
to
happen
between
now
and
like
if
this
would
be
implemented.
G
It
specifically
talks
about
essentially
changing
getting
rid
of
the
police
department,
creating
student
department,
but
you
know
that's
created
a
lot
of,
I
guess
stress,
and
you
know
issues
within
the
police
department,
because
now
officers
are
not
only
have
they
been
out
of
contract
for
so
long,
but
now
they
see
this
as
all
of
a
sudden.
The
department's
gonna
be
gone
and
they're
going
to
be
replaced,
and
so
now
people
are
wondering
do
they
have
a
job
or
they
need
to
worry
about.
You
know
how
are
they
going
to
provide
for
their
family?
G
What
is
it
going
to
look
like,
and
then
you
know
there's
an
article
in
gq.
That
said
they
would
all
have
to
reapply.
I
think
the
mayor
somewhat
clarified,
but
it's
still
unclear
like.
Are
they
going
to
have
to
reapply
for
jobs?
Are
they
going
to
apply
for
positions
and
the
new
like
there's
just
so
many
things,
and
then
how
do
we
get
there
with
civil
service
laws
the
way
they
are
now?
How
do
we
get
there
with
contracts
and
and
realistically,
like
who
trains
these
other
people,
and
how
does
that?
G
We
just
throw
a
switch
one
day
and
it
starts.
I
mean
there's
just
so
many
pieces
to
this.
That
really
are
unknowns,
because
this
is
this
kind
of
overriding
concept
of
where
you
know
each
kind
of
the
county
in
the
city
would
like
to
see
things
go,
but
I
mean
this
is
be
like
a
very
lengthy.
I
mean
there's
budgetary
constraints
like
how
much
does
it
cost?
Where
does
the
money
come
from?
D
Well,
that's
one
of
the
problems
you
have
when
you
title
something
reimagining,
instead
of
improving,
so
once
you
start
reimagining
everything's
on
the
table,
if
you
improve.
I
E
Graham,
how
I
I
understand
the
governor
said
this
particular
deadline.
I,
but
I
mean
how
commit
how
do
I
put
this?
This
isn't
like
an
essay
for
a
professor
in
class,
the
type
of
deadline.
You
know
this
can
be
I'm
wondering,
like
this
april
1st.
E
Deadline,
my
concern
is
just
like
what's
being
submitted.
I
don't
I
I
think
john
raises
a
couple.
Some
like
some
important
questions
in
terms
of
more
practical
understanding
of
how
things
will
will
necessarily
be
applied
when
it
comes
to
having
a
a
plan.
Obviously
there'll
still
be
more
time
to
talk
about
this
and
things
to
flush
out,
but
I'm
wondering
is
the
city,
council
or
the
mayor
prepared
to
say
if
they're
not
ready
by
april
1st,
that
can
we
can
they
push
it?
You
know
submit
it
at
a
later
point.
E
F
I
mean
I
don't
actually
know
richard,
but
I
would
I
don't
know
the
governor,
but
you
know
we
were
given
this
deadline.
I
mean
it's
not
like
you
can
ask
for
extensions,
I
think
they'll
just
say:
okay,
you
don't
have
a
plan
if
we
develop
a
plan,
for
you
know
your
municipality.
This
is
what
will
happen.
You
know
at
the
state
level,
and
so
you
know
this
was
an
opportunity
to
suggest
some
changes.
F
If
the
community
doesn't
like
these,
then
they
won't
go
forward,
but
I
think
the
idea
here
is
well,
let's
think,
about
what
might
be
more
effective
in
terms
of
providing
public
safety,
and
it's
not
just
about
ipd.
You
know
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
one
really
important
aspect
of
public
safety
but,
as
we
know,
it's
we're
under
a
lot
of
stress
right
now
in
terms
of
budgets,
but
also
a
huge
range
of
public
safety
issues
that
you
know
are
overwhelming
most
police
departments
in
this
country.
F
So
the
idea
here
is
well
what
what
could
we
do
that
might
make
things
might
actually
improve
the
situation,
and
this
is
you
know
this
is
a
series
of
suggestions
and
recommendations
if
we
don't
submit
them
by
april
1st,
I'm
not
quite
sure
what
will
happen,
but
I
at
this
point
we
haven't
discussed
any
kind
of
request
for
an
extension
or
anything
because,
to
be
honest,
the
the
kind
of
public
discussion
of
this
draft
really
hasn't.
I
mean
it's
only
just
beginning.
I
guess.
E
I
think
that
that
I
appreciate
your
answer.
I
think
it
was
helpful,
particularly
with
the
emphasizing
of
suggestions.
This
kind
of
sounds
more
like
a
potential.
You
know
wish
list
or
things
you
want
to
talk
about
with
you
know
the
city
might
want
to
have
a
conversation
with
the
governor.
It's
just
it's
just
a
very
interesting
predicament,
because
I
think
john
raises
a
good
point
in
terms
of
like
you're.
E
Imagine
if
you're
someone's
talking
about
your
job
in
real
time-
and
you
don't
necessarily
know
you
know
the
ins
and
out
and
what
what
that's
exactly
going
to
be
and
you're,
it's
being
it's
a
conversation
happening
in
a
public
space,
and
so
it's,
I
think,
kind
of,
emphasizing,
if
possible,
that
this
report
is
essentially
more
of
a
suggestion
to
the
governor
as
opposed
to
what's
going
to
happen.
E
Type
of
narrative,
I
think,
might
help
particularly
with
expectations
of
even
if
you
were
to
grant
this
plan,
it
will
take
time
to
even
enact
these
things
so
setting
up
a
practical
understanding
for
not
just
the
police
department,
but
just
residents
in
general
to
know
that
this
is
not
something
that's
happening
immediately,
and
this
is
something
that's
more
of
a
suggestion.
F
Yeah
and
as
john
said,
I
mean
if,
if
any
of
this
goes
forward,
I
mean
this
doesn't
tell
you
how
to
do
it.
This
tells
you
sort
of
what
we
might
be
trying
to
achieve.
It
doesn't
tell
you
how
to
achieve
it.
That's
definitely
not
in
this
document,
and
I
think
that's
important
to
recognize
that,
and
it's
certainly
not
going
to
happen
kind
of
overnight.
F
Yeah
and
the
other
thing
is,
of
course
you
know
this
has
to
go
through.
You
know
at
the
state
level.
I
don't
know
what
their
process
is,
because
municipalities
around
the
state
are
going
to
be
suggesting
things
somebody's
going
to
have
they're
going
to
have
to
look
at
this
and
say
well.
Does
this
make
sense?
You
know
for
new
york
state,
because
there's
also,
you
know
some
kind
of
or
there's
definitely
oversight
at
the
state
level
in
terms
of
what
they
will
and
won't
allow
for
public
safety
within
the
state.
F
So
I
mean,
I
think,
these
suggestions,
we
might
think
they're
great,
but
they
might
eventually
come
down
to
well,
that's
not
going
to
be
possible
to
implement.
H
Yeah,
I
have
a,
I
have
a
kind
of
a
similar
question
to
richards.
I
think
so.
Obviously,
like
we
have
this
draft
of
ideas
and
like
conceptual
things
that
people
here
want
to
do
do
do
we
have
any
sort
of
timeline
or
like
any
idea
of
how
those
ideas
will
become
actual
things
like
you
know,
we
send
this
to
the
governor.
Does
he
decide
what
we
do
in
ithaca
like?
Does
he
pick
and
choose
which
suggestions
or
does
it
come
back
to
us,
and
then
we
figure
it
out
as
a
municipality
like?
F
Well,
hannah
those
are
all
good
questions.
Unfortunately,
I'm
not
sure
I
can
answer
almost
any
of
them.
That
is,
I
don't
know
what
the
time
frame
would
be.
There
are
many
really
complicated
issues
here.
As
I
said,
if
you're
talking
about
re
rethinking,
you
know
public
safety,
it
does.
I
mean
there
are,
as
john
said,
people's
livelihoods
and
jobs
to
take
into
account
how
you
would
manage
these
different
groups
if
they
are.
F
If
there
is
this
new
department
of
public
safety,
that
doesn't
certainly
doesn't
happen
overnight,
and
I
think
it
would
take
several
years
even
if
we
said
okay,
we
think
this
is
a
good
idea.
It's
going
to
take
several
years
to
implement
this
there's
actions
that
council
has
to
take,
but
there's
also
actions
the
state
level
that
have
to
happen
for
some
of
these
recommendations
to
to
go
forward.
So
it's
really
difficult
to
give
a
time
frame.
For
that,
I
think,
what's
important
is
that.
F
The
community
has
a
sense
of
you
know
this
isn't
just
you
know
more
talking
and
then
nothing
happens.
I
think
that's.
The
important
thing
here
is
that
over
the
past
year
or
more,
there
has
been-
I
think,
not
only
in
ithaca
but
around
the
country
and
in
fact
around
the
world-
a
need
to
look
at
what
public
safety
means
and
how
we
can
better
do
it
in
the
future,
because
I
certainly
recognize
that
ipd
does
a
great
job
but
they're
under
incredible
strain,
and
it's
not
because
they're
not
appreciated.
F
I
think
it's
because
more
and
more
they're
being
asked
to
do
more
and
more
with
less
and
less,
and
that's
partly
because
you
know
the
only
thing
we've
got
basically
is
property
taxes
and
sales
tax
and
that's
a
real
burden
on
people
within
the
city
and,
as
we
know,
we've
had
state
aid
cut
or
kept
level,
for
I
don't
know
10
or
15
years,
so
we're
under
incredible
stress
in
terms
of
being
able
to
provide
for
public
safety
with
the
existing
model.
F
So
it's
going
to
basically
it's
going
to
take
a
long
time
to
kind
of
reformat
that,
and
hopefully
there
are
some
good
ideas
in
here
that
we
can
say
to
the
community.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
work
on
and
and
start
to
make
some
changes,
and
I
can
see
rick.
It
looks
like
john
has
a
question
now,
it's
his
hand.
D
D
D
C
Yeah,
it
was
back
in
2015
june
of
2015.
We
had
a
civilian
review,
presentation
event
and
the
people
from
rochester
came
down
and
gave
a
whole
day.
It
was
a
whole
day
event
on
so
I
have
this
information
that
I'll
get
to.
You
reckon
somehow
we'll
get
it
out,
because
it's
powerpoint,
slides
and
everything.
D
You
brought
up
shari
that
there
are
smaller
steps
in
between
having
control
over
discipline
or
subpoena
powers,
and
that
may
be
a
better
ability
to
review.
D
Police
personnel
may
be
coming
at
any
rate
due
to
court
rulings,
that's
still
rolling
through
the
courts,
but
that's
something
that
we
have
to
consider.
So
we
need
to
consider
before
march
10th.
What
could
we
do
better?
What
kind
of
things
do
you
think
we
could
do
better?
You
know
I,
I
can
tell
you
personally.
I
think
subpoena
powers
are
not
a
good
idea
for
a
board
in
a
city,
this
town,
this
size.
B
D
More
information
on
how
the
department
is
operating
would
be
to
the
benefit
of
the
community,
but
at
any
rate,
I
think
we
need
to
move
along
in
this.
We
still
have
a
report
from
chief
jolie
and
we
still
have
some
of
our
own
business.
So
I'm
suggesting
we
move
along.
E
E
G
Yeah
I
mean
I
can
just
kind
of
hit
into
mine.
I
don't
have
very
much
for
today.
You
know
we
have
two
outside
complaints
that
we're
currently
looking
through
that
came
in
february
other
than
that
we
haven't
had
any
and
they're
both,
I
believe
one's
been
resolved,
but
it
hasn't
been
approved
yet
and
they're
just
essentially
courtesy
complaints,
something
along
those
lines.
G
As
far
as
what
else,
the
other
report
that
I
was
gonna
before
it's
just
kind
of
gonna
mention
some
of
the
items
that
have
affected
that
appeared
that
have
affected
the
department.
You
know
that
are
in
the
reimagining,
but
I
think
we've
covered
most
of
that
stuff
at
this
point.
So.
D
G
Yeah
I
mean
we
can
set
a
time
up
if
anyone
on
the
board
wants
to
come
over.
I
can
walk
through
some
of
them
and
I'm
happy
to
share
that
with
you.
C
Is
that
there
are
nine
of
them?
I
mean
la
one
up
one
of
our
meetings.
You
talked
about
there
being
nine
complaints,
you
were
several
meetings
back
and
then
some
were
resolved.
I
don't
know,
but
we
need
to
come
there
to
see
the.
E
I
think
the
the
important
things
also
to
keep
in
mind
is
it's
essentially
setting
up
a
system.
That's
that's
the
ultimate
end
goal.
You
know
having
every
once
in
a
while.
If
you
want
to
ask
that's
fine,
but
I
think
having
some
sort
of
proper
system,
I
think,
would
be
necessary
because
I
certainly
don't
mind
going
to
this
meeting,
but
I
would
definitely
want
some
starter
system
at
the
end
goal.
D
So
you
know
the
suggestion
was
that
we
would
see
these
things
as
as
part
of
our
our
routine.
Maybe
part
of
our
meetings
that
that,
whoever
is
the
representative
from
the
department
would
share
those
with
us
on
a
regular
basis.
So
we
have
some
better
idea
of
what's
going
on
outside
of
our
review.
G
E
I
think
it
would
be
an
executive
session.
That
means,
I
don't
know
what
other
folks
think,
but
personally
kind
of
like
the
same
way.
We
talk
about
the
way
that
we
already
handled
the
reports
that
we
talk
about
now.
I
would
prefer
to
go
in
executive
session.
I
D
D
A
No
graham
shared
the
information
about
the
committee
of
the
whole
meeting
this
evening
that
I
was
going
to
recommend
to
you
all
and
just
a
reminder.
You
don't
have
to
tune
in
at
six
o'clock
to
watch
it
because
it's
being
broadcast
to
youtube
it'll,
be
on
the
city's
public
meetings
channel
and
available
for
you
to
watch
at
another
time.
If
tonight,
at
six
isn't
great,
if
you
don't
want
to
do
a
whole
meeting,
double
header
some
some
have
to
like,
graham
but
and
then
just
to
piggyback.
A
On
what
bc
julie
said
regarding
the
executive
session
portion
of
any
kind
of
discussion
of
investigations,
I
think
that
would
be
the
most
clean
way
to
go
with
with
adding
that
into
our
agenda,
and
I
will
just
put
it
on
there.
As
you
know,
additional
discussions
of
cases
with
investigations
for
ipd
or
I
can
speak
with
dc
jolie
about
how
they'd
want
to
you
know
see
that
putting
on
an
agenda
since
it's
a
new
item.
D
The
as
far
as
the
city
attorney
too,
my
understanding
is
that
ari
will
be
attending
that
may
10th
meeting.
So
there
may
be
something
we
can
hear
as
a
change
in
the
police
force
procedures.
A
Yes,
it's
my
understanding
that
he's
going
to
be
there.
It
hasn't
been
determined
yet
whether
you
all
want
me
there
as
a
staff
person,
I'm
available.
If
that
is
desirable,
it's
just
something
that
you'd
have
to
communicate
with
annie
in
scheduling
or
decide
at
some
point
before
now
before
march
time,.
E
E
And
I
think
we
got
old
business
and
the
new
business
before
we
go
just
had
a
quick
question.
John,
is
there
do
you
know
the
department
has
taken
on
doing
like
some
sort
of
independent
or,
like
a
anonymous
survey
of
this
report,
thing
to
get
what
the
department
thinks.
G
We
have
not.
I
know
that
the
the
pba
has
encouraged
all
of
the
pba
members
to
enter.
There's
there's
some
online.
I
think
questions
that
they
can
fill
out.
They
can
put
comments
in
they
can
also
either.
G
I
don't
know
if
they're
going
to
be
read
or
just
posted
for
the
meeting,
so
I
think
that
the
department
is
encouraged
to
participate
in
that
way,
but
we
have
not
independently
put
out
any
kind
of
survey
or
scheduled
any
sort
of
like
meetings
outside
of
what
was
done
through
the
the
process
that
we
were
all
seeing.
The
draft
from.
E
Okay,
I
know
things
are
busy,
but
I
think
it
might
help
to
get
a
better.
You
know,
if
possible,
I
will
see
how
that
could
be
done.
Maybe
a
survey
can
be
sent
to
y'all
for
the
department
to
complete,
but
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
give
a
more
to
add
more
to
the
argument
of
what
the
what
the
department
thinks
as
opposed
to
you
know.
E
Obviously
you
get
it
from
your
point
of
view,
but
if
you're
able
to
walk
in
and
say
I
did
a
survey,
and
this
is
what
you
know
year
name,
I
think
that
might
help
in
this
discussion,
but
yeah
we
can.
I
digress.
We
can
move
on
to.
I
think
we
have
new
business
now
unless
we
have
any
old
business.
You
want
to
talk
about
rick.
D
The
last
two
things
were
the
chair
issue
and
also
richard.
I
thought
where
I
could
report
on
that.
One
complaint
that
you
and
I
handled
over
the
phone.
B
D
A
Have
an
additional
piece
on
that
too.
So
we
should
definitely
do
that
in
executive
session,
but
real
quick
before
the
chair
issue,
sherry.
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
those
documents
that
you
have
that
you'd
like
to
share
with
the
group,
I'm
happy
to
scan
those
for
you
and
send
them
to
whomever
you'd
like
them
to
go
to
just
I'll
shoot
you
an
email.
So
we
can
arrange
having
me
get
those
documents
from
you,
so
I
can
scan
them
and
send
them
out
for
you.
D
Much
so
here's
the
deal
with
the
chair,
I
think,
in
my
conversation
with
melody
and
correct
me
that
we
are
allowed
to
appoint
a
temporary
chair
previously
co-chairs.
A
It
would
be
acting
chair
would
be
the
official
title
used
for
the
appointment
if
we
were
seeking
to
revisit
it
before
the
end
of
the
full
year.
D
He
remains
on
the
board,
regardless,
unless
her
slot
was
to
be
filled,
she's
just
not
sure
at
this
point
and
I'm
not
comfortable
with
moving
ahead
and
saying.
Well,
let's,
let's
elect
a
chair
for
this
year,
shirley's
been
a
good
chair
and
I
think
going
the
acting
chair
route
leaves
our
options
open
and
it
it
also
it
formalizes
a
situation.
That's
a
little
uncomfortable.
D
D
I
said
you
probably
wonder
why
you've
been
getting
emails
from
me
instead
of
from
shirley
kane,
and
I
told
him
it's
really
been
sick,
he
didn't
know
so
he
said
he
wasn't
wondering
I'm
sure,
but
anyway,
that's
that's
where
we
are
with
that
richard.
Does
that
make
sense
to
you
too,
from
your
conversations
with
shirley.
E
Yeah,
I
think
acting
chair,
just
kind
of
puts
everyone
at
ease
and
lets
us
proceed
and
giving
in
in
the
more
proper
way.
So
with
that
being
said,
unless
anyone
had
any
has
any
thoughts
to
add
to
the
to
the
at
this
point.
For
the
sake
of
time,
I'm
gonna
nominate
rick
as
acting
chair,
and
so
I
don't
know
if
anyone
wants
a
second
or
oh.
E
E
I
E
A
So,
for
the
sake
of
formality,
it
appears
to
be
a
unanimous
yay
in
favor
of
having
rick
rogers
act
as
our
standing
or
acting
chair.