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From YouTube: September 23, 2020 Community Police Board Meeting
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don't
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a
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but
let's
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it
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and
we're
all
set.
We've
got
reports
from
the
department
and
from
graham
first.
B
C
Okay,
yes,
so
I
guess
we'd
have
no
public
comments
and
the
next
thing
on
the
agenda
is
common
council.
D
It's
great
okay,
I'll,
go
ahead,
well,
good
to
see
everybody
melody.
Thank
you
for
organizing
this.
It's
been
a
while,
but
I'm
glad
to
see
hopefully,
everyone's
well
and
healthy.
So,
as
you
know,
we're
just
about
to
start
on
the
budget
process,
we've
had
one
meeting
to
kind
of
outline
some
of
the
capital
project
priorities
for
next
year
and
I
believe
the
mayor
will
be
presenting
his
budget
at
the
first
common
council
meeting
in
october,
which
not
sure
about
the
date.
D
But
it's
definitely
the
first
wednesday
we've
been
meeting
regularly.
As
many
of
you
know,
by
a
zoom,
we
have
managed
to
institute
public
comment
with
a
three-minute
opportunity
for
people
to
make
comments
and
I
think
that's
working
as
best
as
we
can
expect,
given
the
circumstances.
So
I
think
that's
good
and
I
certainly
want
to
appreciate
staff
they've
done
an
amazing
job
in
actually
enabling
us
to
really
continue
the
functions
of
government.
It's
not
obviously
the
same,
but
we're
doing
our
best.
D
So
I
think
that's
thanks
to
all
the
staff
that
have
been
working
on
that
the
budget
will
be
challenging
this
year.
I
think
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
chief,
the
mayor
gave
guidelines
for
a
three
percent
in
in
operations
and
that
is
gonna.
Obviously,
we
will
then
have
to
look
at
the
budget
that
he
prepares
and
it'll
obviously
be
challenging
as
it
is
always,
but
especially
at
this
time.
D
D
There
was
a
an
estimate
of
a
shortfall
primarily
due
to
loss
of
state
funding
and
the
sales
tax
reduction
anywhere
between
five
and
thirteen
million
dollars.
That's
this
year,
according
to
the
controller,
it
looks
like
we're
on
the
lower
end
of
that
which
is
in
this
situation.
That's
the
good
news,
so
we
furloughed
a
lot
of
people.
D
Many
of
those
people
have
now
come
back
onto
the
payroll,
so
that's
a
good
news
and
I
think,
looking
obviously
to
next
year,
we'll
be
definitely
wanting
to
as
far
as
possible,
maintain
the
efforts
that
we're
doing
and
that
will,
if
with
if
we
do,
have
to
cut
the
budget,
that
will
mean
some
reduction
in
coming
up
some
of
the
efforts
that
we're
currently
supporting.
D
D
D
Lastly,
I'll
comment,
obviously,
if
you've
seen
the
papers,
you've
seen
some
of
the
protests
that
have
been
a
weekly
event
in
ithaca,
and
I
certainly
want
to
let
you
know
that
council
has
made
many
comments
by
email
or
in
public
appreciating
the
work
that
the
chief
and
the
department
are
doing
in
trying
to
maintain
a
sense
of
balance
and
not
overreacting.
D
Some
of
the
demonstrations
have
been
pretty
direct
in
terms
of
the
abuse
of
the
police
department
and
kind
of
very
threatening
to
individual
officers,
and
I
want
to
applaud
ipd
in
the
office
for
not
reacting
and
not
escalating
that
situation.
D
It's
been
challenging
to
deal
with
those,
but
it
is
important
that
we
try
to
de-escalate
those
situations
and
so
so
far
I
think
things
are
doing
well
we'll
hear
from
ipd,
but
we
certainly
get
updates
on
a
weekly
basis
from
the
chiefs
in
terms
of
the
individual
demonstrations
what's
going
on,
and
we
certainly
appreciate
on
council
the
great
restraint
and
efforts
that
are
being
made
in
the
department.
D
D
G
D
Right
so
it's
a
fairly
lengthy
process,
so
the
budget
just
looking
at
my
calendar
so
that
would
be
presented
by
the
mayor
on
the
seventh
of
october.
H
D
Then
have
a
number
of
meetings
throughout
october,
one
or
two
meetings
a
week
and
then
the
final
budget,
if
all
goes
well,
should
be
finalized
at
the
first
meeting
in
november,
which
will
be
november
4th
okay,
so
those
budget
meetings-
obviously
they
are,
they
will
be
on
zoom.
There
will
be
public
comment.
There
will
also
be
one
or
two
public
hearings
specifically
on
the
budget
at
those
meetings
and
those
will
be
on
the
obviously
on
the
city
calendar.
I
Sure
yeah,
I
could
start
more
on
the
generic
and
then
deputy
chief
has
some
more
specifics
yeah,
so
I
could
take
start
where
graham
left
off.
So
we
we've
had
15
weeks
of
protests,
and
I
just
applaud
the
efforts
of
the
officers.
They've
just
done
an
amazing
job.
They've
had
so
much
restraint
and
composure,
they've
taken
abuse,
that's
just
it's
really
unconscionable.
I
You
know
what
they've
been
up
against
and
they've
done
an
amazing
job.
You
know
sometimes
we
come
out
and
we
have
people
lying
across
our
parking
lots
and
we
can't
get
our
vehicles
out
other
times.
We've
had
people
bringing
all
kinds
of
furniture
from
a
moving
van
and
dumping
it
in
front
of
our
station
saying
they're
staying
there,
the
entire
day
blocking
the
officers
from
physically
getting
in.
So
we
have
to
try
to
reroute
all
of
our
operations.
I
So
we
can
not
only
maintain
vigilance
of
that,
but
also
respond
to
calls
for
service
and
and
do
our
just
basic
duties.
We
have
times
that
all
of
a
sudden
at
night,
like
on
a
thursday
night,
we'll
come
to
a
whole
crowd
of
people
in
front
of
the
station
lying
on
the
ground,
cursing
and
threatening
the
officers
following
the
officers
taking
candles
and
in
candle,
wax
melted
writing
nasty.
I
Vulgarities
we've
had
pink
grown
on
our
building
salt
thrown
on
our
salt
and
other
unknown
substances
put
in
front
of
our
doors
other
slippery
substances
that
we
don't
know
what
they
even
are,
like.
I
said
officers
when
they've
gotten
off
duty,
followed
to
their
cars
and
threatened.
I
So
it's
it's
been
an
extremely
impossible,
15
weeks
that
the
officers
have
done
an
amazing
job.
With
the
emotional
toll
it's
taken
has
been
pretty
severe.
The
officers
still
come
in
and
do
their
best.
I've
reached
a
you
know.
I've
made
efforts,
and
I
always
will
continue
to
make
efforts
to
to
do
outreach
and
to
speak
to
people,
but
there's
been
no
effort
to
people
wanting
to
actually
have
any
meaningful
dialogue.
I
It's
just
been
anger,
ridden
and
deputy
chief
monticello
has
gone
out
to
try
to
talk
to
them
at
points,
as
have
our
other
officers
and
they've
been
blasted
in
the
ear
with
the
megaphone
senior
deputy
chief
actually
had
to
go
to
seek
medical
treatment
on
the
one
one
officer
had
to
put
the
lights
on
on
the
patrol
car
and
quickly
get
out
of
an
area
in
which
a
crowd
of
people
saw
her
car
and
swarmed
it,
and
you
know
it's
been.
I
It's
been
very
difficult
because
we've
tried
to
answer
media
questions
and
present
some
of
the
facts
of
what's
happened,
and
what
we
present
does
not
make
it
into
the
the
written
format.
So
so
it's
been
extremely
extremely
challenging
and
that's
probably
the
most
broad
way
I
can
describe
the
last
15
plus
weeks.
I
Moving
on
from
there,
I
want
to
thank
melody
for
working
on
our
website
our
website.
You
know,
I
noticed
that
it
hadn't
been
updated
and
we
don't
have
a
public
information
officer
who
used
to
do
our
facebook,
so
I
do
my
best
to
try
to
get
things
up,
as
I
can
when
I
can,
but
in
looking
at
our
website,
our
website
was
really
deficient
in
any
sort
of
updating,
so
deputy
chief
jolie-
and
I
worked
with
melody.
I
I
After
covid,
we
dropped
down
to
63
sworn
positions,
we're
currently
operating,
though
at
around
48
positions,
because
we
have
people
on
the
rafter
but
for
a
variety
of
reasons,
they're
in
no
way
active,
so
we're
at
a
24
deficit
from
what
our
authorized
is
and
if
we
look
at
our
authorized
from
prior
to
covert,
which
was
69,
which
was
still
low,
but
we
were
making
it
work,
we're
at
30
deficit
from
that.
I
So
right
now
we're
trying
very
hard
to
find
ways
in
which
we
can
meet
our
mission,
and
you
know
do
what
needs
to
be
done
with
the
staffing
that
we
have
and
again
the
statistic.
The
number
is
30
less
than
we
were
a
year
ago
and
we're
really
operating
much
lower
with
what's
actually
usable
in
terms
of
active
officers.
I
One
of
the
things
we're
trying
to
do
is
protect
and
prevent
against
fatigue,
and
it's
been
hard
because
many
officers
are
frequently
required
to
stay
over,
whether
it's
for
protests
or
other
events
or
just
calls
for
service,
and
some
of
the
derivatives
that
we've
seen
have
been
spikes
in
our
burglaries,
which
I
put
out
a
couple
of
public
service
announcements
on
we've
had
dramatic
spikes.
In
our
you
know,
shots
fired
and
gun
related
calls
and
armed
robberies
and
we've
been
working
our
best
to
mitigate
them,
and
so
the
challenges
are
many.
I
We're
still
doing
our
best
to
meet
them
all.
We're
looking
forward
to
we're
moving
forward
with
our
revisioning
program
and
working
with
the
police
equity
institute,
and
I
will
continue
to
keep
this
body
posted
as
to
what
our
what
we
do
and
I
think
it'll
be
a
really
good
platform
to
one.
I
A
lot
of
things
are
being
said
that
we
don't
ever
have
the
chance
to
refute,
being
accused
of
doing
things
that
we
don't
do
being
demanded
that
we
do
things
that
we've
been
doing
well
for
a
long
time.
So
it'll
be
interesting
to
be
able
to
just
enunciate
those
things
and
then
also
make
changes
that
are
in
keeping
with
what
the
community
wants
and
building
bridges
when
we
can
and
where
we
can
and,
and
you
know,
becoming
a
department.
I
That's
reflective
of
you
know
the
needs
of
this
community,
and
so
I
will
keep
everyone
posted.
I
would
like
to
turn
it
over
to
deputy
chief
jolie
to
maybe
speak
on
specifics
of
just
some.
You
know
where
we
are
today
with
complaints
that
have
come
in
and
maybe
anything
on
a
specific
level
that
I
didn't
cover.
B
I
Yes,
yes,
they're
not
not
for
profit
and
they're,
facilitating
the
the
reimagining
efforts
that
we
have
going
on.
Okay,
thank
you.
F
So
I
think
I
just
just
to
underscore
a
couple
of
key
points.
I
think
that
chiefner
hit
on
is,
you
know
our
low
staffing
level.
I
feel,
like
we've,
been
talking
about
our
low
staffing
level
for
years
now,
but
it
was
critical
before
so.
It's
you
know.
I
think
it's
it's
beyond
critical
at
this
point
to
the
point
where
we
have
extreme
difficulty,
staffing
and
managing
the
weekly
protests
and
the
impact
on
that
is
very
real
and
it's
affected
morale
within
the
department.
F
It's
affected
officer
wellness
and
it's
definitely
contributed
to
officer
burnout
and
how
that's
all
happening
is
because
we
have
a
smaller
pool
of
officers
which
we
continue
to
rely
on.
They
get
held
over
they're
working
extra
hours,
we're
still
trying
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
community
with
far
less
people
than
we
had
before,
and
even
that
number
wasn't
really
an
efficient
number
to
work
with.
So
there's
some
very
dramatic
effects.
F
You
know
here
in
the
department
that
we're
trying
to
work
through
and
we're
continuing
to
try
to
come
up
with
positive
ways
to
to
move
forward
and
progress.
But
we
are
in
desperate
need
of
additional
staffing
and
support
from
council
and
the
community.
So
we
can
increase
our
staffing
levels
to
a
more
manageable
number.
F
Moving
on
to
our
complaints,
I
know
we
had
spoken
at
the
last
meeting
that
would
bring
kind
of
like
a
general
report,
so
I've
compiled
a
report
we're,
I
guess,
more
than
three
quarters
away
through
2020,
so
I
thought
it'd
be
most
applicable
to
speak
to
this
year's
complaints.
F
The
way
that
they
resulted
was
one
was
not
sustained.
Three
have
been
sustained,
two
were
unfounded
and
three
were
exonerated
and
a
little
bit
more
detail
on.
That
is
just
of
those
nine
complaints.
One
of
them
resulted
in
a
counseling
memo
and
another
one
resulted
in
verbal
counseling.
F
So
again,
nine
complaints
came
in
from
external
sources
this
year,
three
of
which
we
have
sustained.
F
F
F
Yeah
so
they're,
always
whenever
the
complaints
come
in,
we
always
offer
up
that.
We
will
look
into
it
internally.
C
Just
had
a
couple
questions
for
the
folks
that
chief
mayor,
the
folks
that
you
were
referring
to
earlier
from
the
officers,
particularly
on
the
ground
or
things
that
you've
heard
what
are
some
of
the
attributes
of
the
people
that
are
out
there
that
are
doing
these
things.
As
far
as
just
general,
demographic
understanding
of
these
particular
folks
that
you're,
seeing
out
there.
I
Demographic,
I
think
they're,
mostly
white,
males
and
females,
maybe
in
that
18
to
25
year
range.
I
don't
know
what
their
specific
ties
are
if
they're,
somewhere
from
here
some
might
be
just
coming
in,
but
yeah.
That's
generally
what
the
demographic
is.
C
Okay
and
and
then
the
last
I
think
you
mentioned-
was
15
weeks
and
even
before,
just
to
get
an
idea.
I
know
you
guys
are
definitely.
I
know
staffing
is
an
issue
and
it's
you
guys
got
a
lot
going
on.
So
I
I
am
cautious
in
this
in
asking
this
question,
or
at
least
understanding,
but
I
like
to
hear
what
have
been
any
intentional
or
specific
efforts
towards
the
black
community
here
in
ithaca.
C
If
we're
talking
about
in
respect
to
those
whole
protests
and
all
the
things
that
are
going
on
and
what
could
be
potential
reasons
for
protests,
I
just
want
to
get
an
idea
of
what
would
have
been
some
specific
efforts
that
have
been
done
in
working
with
the
black
community
in
ithaca.
I
Yeah,
the
the
mayor
has
been
spearheading
the
movement
with
the
policing
equity
institute
and
that's
going
to
be
really
the
main
mechanism.
I
I've
had
a
couple
of
conversations
with
people
like
harry
smith,
dr
neon
I've
reached
out
to
them,
spoke
to
them,
make
sure
they
know
that
I'm
an
open
resource
and
willing
to
have
conversations
the
the
people
that
are
doing
the
protests
haven't
wanted
to
have
conversation
and
when
our
officers,
a
variety
of
them,
have
tried
to
talk,
and
there
has
been
just
it
was
either
over
shouting
them
or,
like.
I
said,
blasting
them
with
the
megaphone
and
they're
just
coming
up
at
like
random
times.
I
Some
of
the
intelligence
we're
getting
is
their
efforts
are
not
toward
developing
change,
but
just
creating
this
disruption,
and
that's
that's
the
challenge,
because
what
it's
doing
is
it's
taking
the
focus
off
of
the
changes
that
need
to
be
done
and
that
are
are
going
to
be
done
and
and
that's
the
challenge,
and
I
think
that
some
of
them
are
trying
to
latch
on
to
these
other
movements.
I
But
their
focus
isn't
about
change
like
one
of
them.
Deputy
chief
monticello
will
talk
to
you
says:
what's
what's
your
end
goal,
what
do
you
want
and
the
only
thing
they
would
snap
back
at
him?
Is
we
want
police
to
be
gone?
We
don't
need
you,
we
want
social
workers,
I
mean
so
it's
not
any
sort
of
let's
sit
down
and
talk
about
things
and
some
of
the
things
from
my
perspective
not
to
go
off
topic,
but
like
I'm,
really
trying
to
look
at
what
do
we
respond
to?
I
Is
there
someone
better
or
an
entity
better
to
deal
with
these
things,
so
we're
not
in
the
wrong
place
to
begin
with?
But
again
these
are
all
conversations
that
could
be
had,
but
when
we're
met
with
we
just
want
to
police
gone,
that's
really
leaves
us
limited
conversation.
C
No,
I
I
definitely
hear
you
and
I
think
for
me
asking
that
question
was
more
in
regards
to
what
you
kind
of
mentioned
in
in
what
you're,
in
your
answer
in
regards
to
staying
focused
on
what
the
the
the
folks
are.
Actually
I
shouldn't
say
actually,
but
my
concern
is
these:
things
are
happening
within
regards
to
the
black
in
regards
to
black
folks
and
their
relationship
with
law
enforcement,
and
so
I
don't
want.
C
I
definitely
understand
all
the
the
the
stuff
that's
going
on
with
these
kind
of
folks
that
are
doing
these
kind
of
displays.
C
I
guess
for
me
is
I
I
in
the
midst
of
all
this,
I
just
don't
want
to
lose
focus
on
the
fact
of,
particularly
why
some
of
these
things
or
where,
where
we
got
started
from,
and
so
the
next
question
I
got
is
in
regards
to
staffing
in
this
jolie,
you
might
be
able
to
help
with
this
john
might
be
able
to
help
with
this.
How
does
with
the
with
the
lack
in
staffing?
C
Can
you
just
give
any
just
more
specific
examples
as
to
how
the
the
struggles
of
staffing
has
impacted
management
and
responding
to
any
com?
You
know
any
issues
or
any
calls.
F
Sure
so,
in
general,
the
way
that
our
department
is
structured,
we
have
three
different
platoons
so
that
we
have
24-hour
coverage.
Our
preferred
staffing
level
is
six
patrol
officers
assigned
to
each
of
those
three
shifts
at
any
given
time.
So
that's
the
minimum.
That's
the
way
that
it's
been
for
quite
some
time.
F
As
we've
lost
staffing,
it's
become
more
and
more
challenging
to
just
manage
those,
and
those
are
just
the
officers
out
there
proactively,
policing,
interacting
with
the
community,
responding
to
911
calls
realistically
over
the
last
several
months
due
to
the
staffing
challenge
that
we've
had
most
most
often
it's
three
to
four
officers
that
are
assigned
to
handle
all
the
911
calls
that
come
in
respond
to
these
unplanned
events
and
then,
when
we
know
there's
events
like
on
the
sunday
events,
and
we
try
to
schedule
ahead
of
time
because
we
may
only
have
we've
had
on
saturdays.
F
Only
two
people
working
we've
had
to
hold
shifts
over.
You
know
and
they're
coming
in
early
volunteer
to
help
out
or
they're
staying
late
and
then
they're
being
held.
In
addition
to
that,
and
it's
really
just
made
things
extremely
difficult
for
us
to
prepare-
we've
had
to
rely
on
the
state
police
and
the
sheriff's
department
to
provide
us
with
additional
resources
in
order
to
just
really
be
able
to
respond,
not
even
so
much
as
proactively
address
the
protests.
C
F
So
the
state
police
has
been
extremely
helpful
every
time
that
we've
asked
them
for
resources
for
these
protests,
they've
provided
anywhere
from
two
to
six
troopers
in
the
immediate
area.
C
Okay
and
then
I
got
a
couple
more
questions,
I
swear
this.
Is
it
right
now,
if
you're
looking
at
vacant,
do
we
have
any
vacant
positions
remaining
to
fill,
and
if
we
do,
what
does
recruitment
look
like.
F
So
we
do
currently
have
two
positions
to
fill.
Recruitment
is
extremely
difficult
because
we've
been
asked
to
present
a
budget
with
a
reduct
reduced
reductions
in
our
budget,
basically
which
impact
our
staffing
there's
been
three
percent.
There's
been
talk
of
up
to
15.
F
Hopefully
we
don't
get
to
that,
but
it's
very
difficult
to
you
know:
have
a
recruitment
team
go
out
and
convince
people
to
come
work
for
ithaca
police
department
in
the
current
environment,
when
you
know
they
haven't
had
a
contractual
race
since
2011
the
current
just
national
environment
is
very
you
know.
F
Anti-Police
publicly
local
media
hasn't
been
very
helpful
or
positive,
with
their
coverage
of
law
enforcement
and,
additionally,
knowing
that
there's
an
uncertainty,
whether
or
not
we'll
be
able
to
retain
or
keep
the
people
that
we
bring
in
it's
very
hard
to,
with
good
in
good
conscience,
tell
people
to
leave
a
secure
job
to
come
work
for
ipd
when
we
may
potentially
have
layoffs.
So
it's
really
been
challenging.
C
Okay,
and
then
this
is
kind
of
last
one.
This
is
in
regards
to
certain
terms
that
you
were
using
when
you
were
reading
off
the
reports
like
as
far
as
like
what,
when
you
say,
sustained
like
what
does
that
mean?
What
does
unfounded
mean
a
counseling
memo?
What
is
that
and
a
verbal
warning?
What
is
that.
F
Okay,
so
I'll
give
you
kind
of
like
our
internal
definitions
for
not
sustained
would
mean
the
evidence
was
insufficient
to
either
prove
or
disprove.
The
allegation
sustained
would
mean
that
there
was
evidence
sufficient
to
prove
the
allegation.
F
Exonerated
would
mean
the
act
occurred,
but
it
was
lawful
and
within
policy
and
unfounded
was
the
allegation
was
false
or
devoid
of
fact.
So
sometimes
we'll
get
a
complaint
about,
for
example,
an
officer
passed
them
and
it
may
have
been
a
state
trooper
or
a
sheriff's
problem,
so
it
wasn't
actually
applicable
to
us,
so
it
could
be
unfounded
and
then
we
we
follow
progressive
disciplines
so,
depending
on
the
severity
of
the
complaint,
the
circumstances
involved.
F
The
officer's
history
we
like
to
try
to.
If
there's
a
training
aspect
that
we
can
implement,
that's
what
counseling
is
for.
So
we
try
to
you
know,
work
it
out
through
a
training
type
setting
where
it
may
be.
A
verbal
thing
where
we
reaffirm
department
policies,
expectations
and
then
written
counseling
would
be
basically
a
summary
of
the
meeting
that
is
had
where
we
discuss
specific
policies
or
expectations
and
future
expectations,
and
then
from
there
it
would
go
to
disciplines.
C
Okay
and
I
swear
rick
this-
is
it
I'm
following
up
on
this,
just
because
it
was
a
larger
conversation
before
this
whole
kobit
thing
happened,
and
I
obviously,
depending
on
what
you
guys
can
do
you
know
how
far
you
guys
can
go
in
the
conversation
in
this
platform.
I
obviously
respect
those
limits,
but
I
before
this
there
was
a
whole
there's.
This
whole
situation
having
to
do
with
detective
bartsdale,
and
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
where
are
where
are
we
on
this?
I
Yeah,
so
that's
right
now
in
the
hands
of
legal
to
review
it
as
just
kind
of
a
refresher
on
it.
There's
a
lot
of
information.
That's
gone
out
there
that
we
can't
counter
because
it
was
protected
by
50a,
and
that
was
one
of
the
sections
that's
now
being
well
has
been
repealed
and
now
it's
determining
what
can
go
out
and
what
can't
and
because
we
weren't
able
to
talk
about
a
lot
of
things.
I
There
was
a
lot
of
incorrect
information
being
perpetuated
and
the
main
facts
are
this:
it
was
actually
lieutenant
jolie
at
the
time
before
his
deputy
chief.
He
was
assigned
to
take
over
a
unit
to
know
what
cases
were
outstanding
and
what
cases
existed
between
all
the
investigators.
I
He
did
an
inquiry
and
saw
that
one
particular
investigator
investigator
barksdale
had
an
exorbitant
amount
of
cases
that
had
not
been
addressed
and
taken
care
of
and
further
follow-up
showed.
It
was
gross
negligence
and
it
was
addressed
with
our
bringing
it
forward
and
it
basically
became
the
city
openly
discussing
the
fact
that
you
know
we
found
a
major
lapse
in
one
of
the
investigators
following
up
on
cases
of
doing
cases
and
right
now
you
know,
discipline
is
being
sought
and
it's
going
through
the
legal
channels.
But
again
I
can't
discuss
this
publicly.
I
Just
because
of
you
know
the
protections
that
are
in
place,
and
I
leave
that
to
the
legal
to
kind
of
talk
about
what
can
be
discussed,
but
that's
just
kind
of
the
events
that
led
us
to
there
and
we
were
really
in
a
situation
where
a
problem
was
identified
and
once
it's
identified,
we
had
to
move
forward
into
coming
up
with
a
way
to
address
it.
We
didn't
like
it
and
we
don't
like
it,
but
it
is
what
it
is
and
now
we're
just
obviously
following
its
course.
G
Add
one
question
on
these
complaints,
lieutenant
john
jolie
and
on
the
complaints
that
we
just
spoke
about.
Do
we
get
to
see
those
or
do
we
have
access?
Are
we
actually
able
to
see.
F
Those
currently,
I
don't
believe
so,
I
think,
they're
still
protected.
There's
some
legal
challenges
to
the
58
repeal
that
was
implemented
by
the
governor
and
there's
currently.
D
F
Stay
that's
been
issued
by
a
judge,
I
believe
in
new
york
city
and
also
a
second
one
in
buffalo,
so
currently
it's
being
reviewed
by
the
state
courts
to
see
what
will
and
will
not
be
allowed
to
be
released
under
this
58
repeal,
and
I
my
understanding
is
that
there
will
be
some
structured,
I
guess,
ruling
from
this
judge
or
from
the
appeals
court
by
the
end
of
this
month.
F
It
was
the
last
that
I
had
heard
so
essentially
the
governor
repealed
50a,
which
would
then
allow
all
these
records
to
be
publicly
released.
E
F
F
Is
settled
I
think
that
all
that
will
be
accessible
to
you
and
the
public.
E
I
have
a
quick
question.
Hopefully
it's
quick.
Has
anyone
taken
a
look
at
the
the
breakage
or
I
don't
know
if
that's
the
right
term
or
the
difference
between
the
hiring
of
full-time
officers
and
the
and
budgeting
for
your
overtime
that
you
obviously
have
to
do?
F
I
I
mean
in
the
past
it
has
factored
in
and
it
is
technically
cheaper
to
pay
overtime
than
it
is
to
hire
officers,
but
there
is
a
point
where
it's
inefficient
and
the
effects
on
you
know.
Morale
and
health
outweigh
the
benefit
of
the
savings,
and
that
is
conversations
that
definitely
happen
outside
of
our
department.
H
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up
something
that
I've
been
thinking
about,
and
I
know
that
chief
neri
mentioned
communication
between
officers
and
community
and
I'm
in
kind
of
a
very
unique
role.
H
I
guess
as
a
person
who
has
access
to
the
opinions
of
young
people-
and
I
was
thinking
of
making-
I
guess
like
it-
would
probably
take
shape
as
like
a
google
form
or
something
and
sending
it
out
to
my
classmates
and
basically
asking
like
if
you
had
a
chance
to
sit
down
with
a
police
officer
like
what
would
you
say
and
what
would
you
want
to
ask
and
like?
I
think,
maybe
that
would
I
don't
know
exactly
what
I
would
end
up
doing
with
it.
H
But
I
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
see
like
what
kinds
of
things
people
my
age
and
around
my
age
would
want
to
say
in
a
conversation,
and
not
just
in
like
in
a
protest
which
is
a
much
more
like
emotionally
charged
situation
than
like
just
a
like,
calm
sit
down
would
be
so
I
just
wanted
to
bring
that
up
and
see
if
you
had
any
comments
or
thoughts
or
questions.
I
Yeah,
I
think
that
would
be
great.
You
know.
One
of
the
problems
is
when
people
don't
have
factual
information,
they're
left
to
either
make
their
own
assumptions
or
to
latch
on
to
whatever's
out
there.
Even
if
what's
out
there
isn't
correct
and,
like
I
said
some
of
what
I've
seen
like
being
put
out,
there
is
demands
for
us
to
stop
doing
things,
things
we
haven't
done
or
hadn't,
even
not
even
any
connection
to
and
then
demands.
I
And
you
know
things
like
that
or
you
know,
looking
at
community
outreach
and
looking
at
you
know
the
pillars
of
21st
century
policing
and
doing
things
that
we
don't
when
we
don't
have
the
chance
to
tell
it
people
just
assume
that
the
worst,
so
you
know,
that's
been
a
hindrance
for
us.
So
if
you
can
find
out
those
questions
and
maybe
if
they
respond
to
you,
I
can
answer
to
you
and
then
you
could
put
that
back
out
there.
I
And
you
know
when
you
believe
in
your
when
you
believe
in
your
product
and
what
you're
doing
and
there's
always
room
for
growth
and
improvement.
We
totally
believe
that,
but
when
you
believe
in
the
foundation
of
what
you
do,
you're
willing
to
answer
any
question
and
stand
before
any
sort
of
criticism,
because
you
know
that
your
methodologies
are
sound.
B
If
that's
what
you
wanted
to
do,
and
I'm
I'm
fairly
certain
that
if
you
reach
out
to
any
of
us
you're
going
to
get
a
positive
response
from
us
as
opposed
to
trying
to
be
all
on
your
own
and
do
it
all
on
your
own,
I
I
don't
work
well
that
way,
but
I'm
offering
myself,
but
I
think
I
can
offer
the
rest
of
us.
You
know
give
a
phone
call
to
somebody
and
say:
hey:
could
we
just
talk
about
this
just
to
flesh
out
where,
where
you
are.
F
I
think
hannah,
I
don't
know,
I'm
not
super
technically
savvy,
so
I
don't
know
how
this
works,
but
if
you
were
able
to
come
up
with
some
sort
of
structured,
you
know,
like
maybe
podcast
style,
something
where
we
had.
Maybe
the
questions
and
people
could
call,
and
it
was
a
very
narrow
time
frame
I
mean
I
would
I
would
definitely
want
to
participate
in.
H
C
F
C
Think
hannah
it's
a
great
idea,
I'm
obviously
more
than
willing
to
help,
and
while
I
appreciate
john
what
you
said
about
being
being
able
to
offer
your
time,
I
also
might
encourage
you
know
officers
that
perhaps
on
the
lower
ranks,
you
know
that
operate
a
little
closer
to
the
ground,
a
little
bit
more
regularly.
That
folks
are
more
likely
to
see.
C
You
know,
obviously
it's
good
to
have
the
leaders
here
and
and
as
far
as
the
department,
but
it's
likely
going
to
be
more
folks
on
the
ground
that
they
are
going
to
see
a
little
bit
more
often
and
then
the
other
piece
of
it
was
for
john
and
dennis
when
you
guys,
just
in
general.
I
was
talking
to
another
officer
about
this,
I'm
not
going
to
say
his
name
for
out
of
respect
for
because
I
obviously
didn't
give
ask
permission
before
saying
this,
but
he
had
a
good
idea
about.
C
C
With
a
cop,
but
to
do
it
with
one
of
us,
you
know
one
of
the
board
members
right
or
if
you
guys
are
going
deciding
to
move
in
a
stroll
in
a
neighborhood.
You
know
include
us
in
that
process.
If
you
guys
know
that
you
guys
are
going
to
do
you
know
some
particularly
that
it
fits
that
form.
You
know
walking
around
the
neighborhood
or
grabbing
some
coffee.
C
That
might
you
know,
I
think,
having
both
of
us.
You
know
as
far
as
board
members
and
police
officers
operating
together
might
help,
and
you
know,
leave
some
stress
as
far
as
officers
feeling
more
comfortable.
I
Yeah
and
I'll
say
right
now:
you're
always
welcome,
always
invited
anyone.
We
kovit
has
really
put
a
hindrance
on
a
lot
of
our
outreach
because
we
had
our
last
coffee
with
a
cop
and
it
was
right
before
I
think
it
was
right
at
the
beginning
of
march
march
3rd.
I
think
as
right
before
really
everything
broke
down
and-
and
we
would
like
to
have
more
of
those
you
know
because
there's
you
know
no
better
way
to
really
build
bridges
than
to
get
a
conversation
going.
C
A
Okay,
if
that's
it,
then
I
will
end
the
broadcasting
to
youtube
on
account
for
any
viewers
of
which
we
have
nine
live
right
now,
and
the
video
stays
up
so
folks
might
tune
in
later.
At
this
point,
we
are
moving
into
we're.
Gonna
make
a
motion
to
move
into
executive
session
which
is
not
open
to
the
public
due
to
discussing
an
open
investigation,
so
cheers
to
all
who
joined-
and
I
will
let
you
all
know
when
we
are
no
longer
live
just
one
moment.