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A
A
Yeah,
so
steve
is
interested
in
possibly
joining
us,
so
I'm
glad
he
was
able
to.
B
Okay,
so
with
fernando
joining
we
now
have
a
quorum.
I
have
not
heard
from
paulette
that
she
wouldn't
join
us,
so
I
believe
she'll
be
here
and
nells
will
join
us.
Probably,
I
would
say
10
minutes
into
our
meeting.
C
A
A
You
will
note
that
it
did
change
between
the
initial
one
that
charles
and
anissa
sent
out.
E
It
did
change,
I
don't
know
if
I
I
don't
have
any
further
change.
So
a
second
agenda
was
sent
out.
A
E
E
A
A
A
I
mean
we're
going
to
assume
that
you're
there
steve
and
this
this
is
a
public
meeting,
so
you
know
anyone
is,
is
welcome
to
attend.
I
had
spoken
to
someone
who
had
previously
caleb
thomas
who
had
previously
expressed
interest.
I
guess
a
few
several
years
ago
and
he
mentioned
teresa's
daughter
who
recently
ran
for
common
council
maddie-
is
that
am
I
correct
with
her
name
tracy?
I
think
so,
and
I
asked
caleb.
A
I
don't
have
any
contact
information,
so
I
asked
caleb
if
he
would
relay
the
fact
that
that
she
could
virtually
attend
the
meeting
that
she
was
interested
and
have
not
heard
anything.
So
the
question
is:
how
do
we
proceed?
A
Do
we?
One
thing
I
suggest
a
possibility
to
anissa
was
that
we
put
an
advertisement
in
quotes
and
on
the
human
services
list.
Sir.
As
we
know,
those
are
a
large
group
of
people
who
are
presumably
interested
in
what's
what's
occurring
here
in
the
city
yeah
many
of
them
work
with
human
service
agencies,
and
so
we
have
some
knowledge
about.
What's
going
on
and
some
interest
in
the
work
that
we
do
now,
I
assume
that
economic
development
committee
is
also
still
searching
for
a
member,
or
did
they
have
any
luck.
F
We
are
still
searching.
We
have
a
name
that
we're
pursuing
right
now
and
to
get
more
information
from
that
person
about
their
interest.
A
B
E
E
And
I
don't
know
if
there's
any
kind
of
procedure
for
selecting
that
we
should
know
of
be
beyond
just
trying
to
find
interested.
B
Well,
the
clerk's
office
has
a
form
that
in
any
interested
party,
would
fill
out
and
then
we'd
collect
all
of
the
applications
gather
them
together
and
then
forward
them
to
the
acting
mayor,
who
would
probably
ask
to
meet
with
either
staff
or
the
chair
to
go
through
them
and
consider
them.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
I
also
think
it
would
be
a
good
practice
again
if
there's
no
procedure
laid
out
other
than
the
confirmation
you
know
the
mayor
is
the
person
who
confirms
the
has
the
final
decision
on
who
joins
the
committee
for
the
committee
itself
to
you
know
invite
the
person
to
attend
the
meeting.
Maybe
ask
them
to
talk
about
themselves.
You
know
what
are
their
experiences,
so
the
committee
members,
we
have
an
idea
of
the
person,
so
we
they're
we're
the
ones
that
person's
going
to
be
working
with.
A
A
Yeah
that
you're
right
is
that
you
know
perhaps
it
would
not
be
a
bad
idea
to
put
something
on
the
human
human
services
list
anyway,
because
if
there
are
people
who
are
interested,
then
you
know
you
have
a
group
of
people
to
choose
from,
but
also.
A
You
develop
a
list
of
people
who
expressed
interest
in
the
past
that
when
opening
comes
up,
you
can
then
reach
out
to,
but
given
how
infrequently
openings
happen,
I'm
not
sure
someone
would
want
to
express
interest
and
not
hear
anything
for
several
years.
I
think
the
best
method
is
certainly
just
us
as
individuals
reaching
out
to
folks
that
we
know,
but
you
know
as
as
we've
seen
that
doesn't
necessarily
work,
and
we
also
I'm
sorry.
B
Go
ahead,
I
was
just
going
to
add
that
we
discussed
this
at
a
recent
staff
meeting
and
nells
noted
that
we
can
also
ask
the
clerk's
office
and
the
city
hall
communications
coordinator,
to
create
a
press
release
to
send
to
the
area,
newspapers
or
outlets
that
they
normally
contact.
If
that
would
be
helpful.
A
D
No,
I
just
went
invisible.
Sorry,
it's
early.
I
was
thinking
that
I
also
get
city
notices.
I
signed
up
for
city
notices
somehow,
and
so
I
have
gotten
notices
about.
There
might
be
vacancies
on
certain
committees
or
something
okay,
but
but
I
think
it's
important
to
say,
there's
one
vacancy,
you
know.
So
it's
not.
E
A
And
one
other
thing
that
comes
to
mind
is
because
the
mayor
has
final
authority
on
who
joins
the
committee.
Who
joins
the
agency
committees?
A
Does
the
mayor
have
authority
on
how
members
are
recruited
so,
in
other
words,
we're
talking
about
possibilities
of
getting
the
word
out
about
joining
committees
joining
our
committee?
Does
the
mayor
need
to
approve
that.
B
Yeah
I
if
I've
heard
your
question
correctly,
it's
does
the
mayor
need
to
approve
our
outreach
efforts
for
the
right.
A
And
procedure
assist
okay
right,
but.
A
Okay,
all
right,
so
it
sounds
like
we're
going
to
ask
the
city
hall
communications
staff
person
to
draft
a
press
release
to
go
out
to
the
local
newspapers,
including,
I
would
say,
the
human
services
coalition
lister.
B
I
can
also
look
into
how
to
post
it
to
the
city
notices
that
tracy
mentioned.
If
you'd
like
yeah.
B
A
Okay,
moving
on
nels
is
here
to
talk
about
that
interesting
draft
policy
on
encampments
I'll
just
say
I
was
at
harbor
freight,
which
is
you
know,
kind
of
in
front
of
the
recycle
center,
and
I
noticed
a
very
large
encampment
kind
of
next
to
to
harbor
free
though
there
was
someone
working
and
it
may
have
been
excuse
me
someone
clearing
up
debris,
I
didn't
don't
know
if
it
was
a
resident
or
not,
but
I
was
really
surprised
the
first
time
I
seen
it,
it
was
several,
I
would
say
four
or
five
structures
and
it
was
fairly
large
so
and
I
know
tracy-
and
I
talked
about
this
too-
that
for
a
period
there
was,
it
appeared
that
the
city
was
having
success
in
moving
a
campus
or
eliminating
them,
but
perhaps
the
folks
were
just
hidden
and
now
the
leaves
are
falling.
A
You
know
it's
more
evident,
so
it's
certainly.
A
Well,
it
is
a
problem
I
was
trying
to
think
of
whether
I
should
use
the
word
problem,
but
it
certainly
is
a
problem
I
think
both
for
the
residents
and
for
the
residents
of
the
encampment
and
also
for
property
owners
for
the
city
as
a
property
owner
and
sos
the
entity
so
nels
take
it
away.
F
Hey
thanks
good
morning,
everyone.
I
do
want
to
try
to
conclude
discussion
here
by
around
9
30.
I
have
to
prepare
a
resolution
for
the
city
administration
committee,
it's
due
by
before
12
noon,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
I
get
that
ready,
but
but
I
am
very
much
open
and
and
seek
input
and
comments
and
questions
about
the
policy,
because
it's
in
a
draft
forum
going
to
be
meeting
with
the
enhanced
outreach
team
next
week
want
to
meet
with
the
county.
F
F
I
am
a
co-chair
of
the
continuum
of
care
with
kathy
schlatter,
so
the
continuum
of
care
is
a
loose
affiliation
of
organizations
working
to
move
people
from
homelessness
to
stable
housing
it.
The
continuum
of
care,
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
authority.
It
doesn't
have
a
lot
of
resources
directly,
but
among
the
the
12
or
so
groups
that
provide
direct
housing,
support
and
services.
It's
it's.
F
It's
got
quite
a
bit
of
ability
to
address
the
problem,
but
it
is
limited,
and
so
this
policy
came
about
in
part
because,
as
is
so
often
the
case,
I
complained
about
the
city.
It
does
not
have
an
explicit
policy
about
about
encampments
and
we
were
getting
asked
questions
by
continuing
care
members,
outreach
workers,
property
owners
residents.
F
F
So
I
got
I
got,
I
got
an
invitation
to
write
the
policy,
and-
and
this
is
this-
is
the
result
of
this
of
this
draft
approach.
The
draft
is
the
result
of
that
and
I
think
it's
important
to
note-
and
I
imagine
many
of
you
are
aware
this,
but
ithaca
is
not
somehow
an
outlier
with
having
encampments.
F
You
can
hardly
look
at
a
city
of
ithaca
size
anywhere
in
the
u.s,
without
finding
a
similar
or
larger
problem.
Burlington
vermont
portland,
you
know,
maine
saratoga
springs
montpelier
vermont,
I
mean
they
all
have
the
same
issue
they're
facing
in
one
way
or
another,
and
if
you
go
to
the
west
coast,
it's
it's
just
an
incredibly
large
number
of
encampments
tacoma
washington
has
over
five
thousand
encampments,
for
example.
So
it's
just
and
and
it's
it's
hard
to
find
a
community
that
has
found
the
solution.
F
It
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
so
a
single
solution
and
that's
partially
a
result
of
the
causes
of
homelessness
and
that
really
there's
oftentimes
very
individual
characteristics
that
determine
why
somebody
is
temporarily
homeless
and
it's
hard
to
find
one
solution.
That
fits
all
so
with
that
premise,
I'll
go
in
and
say
that
the
overall
recommendation
in
this
policy
is
that
the
city's
policy
on
encampments
should
be
supportive
of
the
continued
cares
strategy
and
approach
to
to
make
homelessness
a
a
brief,
rare
and
non-occurring
event.
F
Realizing
that
that's
not
going
to
be,
you
know,
that's
a
goal:
that's
not
a
it's,
not
really
a
metric!
That
can
be
met
at
any
one
time
in
time,
but
that's
really
the
goal
and
to
try
to
create
a
system
that
responds
to
to
one
prevent,
but
if
you
can't
prevent
homelessness,
finding
ways
to
provide
opportunities
for
people
to
move
out
of
homelessness
into
stable
housing,
so
also
wanted
to
make
clear
that
the
policy
is
not
intended
to
criminalize
poverty
or
homelessness.
F
That
that
is
being
homeless
is
not
a
crime
and,
in
fact,
in
communities
out
west
in
idaho,
who
tried
to
prohibit
all
camping
anywhere
in
the
community.
This
the
court,
the
the
federal
court,
ruled
that
that
was
cruel
and
unusual
punishment.
If
there
weren't
alternative,
safe
indoor
sleeping
spaces
that
could
be
provided.
So
it's
not
correct.
It's
not
criminal
be
homeless,
but
it
you
know,
but
but
that
doesn't
mean
you
should
just
let
everybody
pass
on
any
kind
of
you
know
crime
that
occurs.
F
That's
that's
violent
or
or
theft
related.
So
you
know,
generally
speaking,
the
unhoused
encampments
really
point
to
a
problem
in
our
in
our
response
system.
It
doesn't
address
encampments
in
any
direct
way.
It's
not
part
of
their
continued
care
system.
There's
nobody
who
operates
an
encampment
and
and
therefore
we
have
to
figure
out
how
do
we?
How
do
we
look
at
this
question?
F
I
thought
it
was
important
to
take
a
look
at
a
snapshot
of
the
homeless
in
this
issue
in
in
ithaca,
and
we
do
a
point
in
time
count
once
every
two
years
it's
coming
up
with
about
130
people
over
the
last
couple
of
efforts
to
count
people,
some
people
are
going
to
be
missed
in
that
count,
youth
couchsurfing
is
not
particularly
well
able
to
be
measured
in
that
count,
and
that
count
occurs
on
the
coldest
month.
F
Most
of
them
were
housed.
They
were
in
the
shelter
or
in
you
know,
transitional
housing
of
some
sort,
but
there
were
a
number
that
were
unsheltered
and
about
35
people
at
that
point.
In
time
of
those
unsheltered,
a
vast
majority
of
them
either
suffer
from
mental
health,
illness,
diagnosis
and
or
substance
use
substance
use
disorder.
So
that's
that's
the
nature
of
the
population,
that's
on
how
is
to
has
high
instances
of
those
two
categories.
F
So
that's
a
snapshot,
look
at
the
problem
and,
you
might
say,
wow,
35
people,
that's
a
manageable
problem.
You
know
in
many
respects
it
is
more
manageable
than
many
other
communities
have
are
facing
on
an
annual
basis.
The
continuum
of
care
works
through
something
called
the
homeless,
hmis
homeless
management
information
system
to
try
to
track
how
many
people
are
coming
into
the
system,
usually
reporting
to
the
shelter
first
and
then
trying
to
direct
them
to
services
and
housing
and
on
an
annual
basis.
It's
about
600
people.
F
Unduplicated
people
report
that
they're
they're,
either
imminently
facing
homelessness
or
are
homeless,
which
is
a
really
larger
number
than
I
think
most
people
would
think
is,
is
presenting
and
of
that
number
350
are
first-time
homeless
person
sweetboy.
F
So
it's
it's
really
a
pretty
large
number
coming
through
the
system
and
what
I
guess
an
underlying
issue
here
is
that
the
continuous
care
system
is
very
successful
for
most
people
in
linking
up
linking
them
up
with
services
and
housing,
but
that
doesn't
work
for
everybody,
and
so
the
you
know
the
of
of
the
of
the
procedures
they
use
and
the
services
they
offer.
The
most
successful
way
for
moving
somebody
from
homelessness
to
housing
is
through
permanent
supportive
housing.
F
Chartwell
is
an
example
of
permanent
supportive
housing
where
there
are
both
rental
assistance,
support
and
case
management,
support
for
people
and
when
somebody
can
move
into
permanent
supportive
housing
about
92
percent
of
those
people
moving
in
remain
housed,
which
is
a
much
higher
percentage
than
shelter
or
emergency
shelter,
kind
of
relations
or
just
section
8
housing
assistance
right
tracy.
Do
you
have
a
question.
D
So,
with
lakeview
mental
health
at
the
west
end,
whatever
it's
called
and
would
art
house
and
would
the
the
I
can't
remember
what
it's
called,
but
that
is
near.
F
F
Yes,
you
have
to
have
both.
You
know
the
the
affordable
housing
and
you
know
case
management
services.
So,
yes,
amici
house
for
youth,
yes,
would
qualify
lakeview
west
in
heights,
the
lakeview
new
project
would
qualify
for
the
residents
who
who
are
eligible
for
for
services.
That's
not
a
hundred
percent
of
the
residents.
It's
split
to
be
you
know,
and
that's
for
mental
health
diagnosis
that
have
to
go
through
the
single
point
of
entry
system
that
the
county
health
department
administers.
F
Yes,
I'm
listing
them.
I
list
them
in
that
report.
Then
the
bed
count
in
that
case
there's
also
other
permanent
housing.
A
good
example
of
other
category,
where
it's
not
quite
as
expensive.
In
case
management
is
second
wing
cottages.
F
D
F
D
And
then
what
about
the
a
place
of
our
own
or.
D
F
That's
transitional
housing,
not
permanent
housing.
Okay,.
B
Okay,
I
just
want
to
add
in
there
I'm
sorry
if
this
has
been
mentioned,
but
tracy
at
our
house.
It's
40
units
are
permanent,
supportive
that
have
the
case
management
built
in.
So
not
all
the
units
at
our
house.
D
F
A
I
just
want
to
ask,
but
are
do
these
113
beds
in
the
additional
80
that'll
come
online
in
the
next
whatever
year,
so
are
they?
How
do
they
follow
the
housing
first
model,
or
are
they
restricted?
No
alcohol
use
no
drug
use,
which
then,
would
that.
F
There
is
a
new
facility
up
that
the
county's
running
on
on
a
23
and
three-quarter
hour
basis
up
on
trip
hammer
that
addresses
persons
with
alcohol.
You
know
health,
alcohol
abuse
and
so
that
they
can.
They
can
get
similar
kind
of
services,
but
it's
not
a
permanent
supportive
housing
position.
F
So
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
reasons
why
encampments
are
not
healthy
for
the
residents
and
or
for
the
neighbors.
As
carl
mentioned,
I
go
in
and
identify
some
of
the
issues.
The
fire
department
is
one
of
the
departments
that
responds
to
issues
there
and
they've
had
you
know
basically,
three
calls
per
month
to
encampments
for
fires,
because
cooking
and
heating
are
necessary
in
our
climate
to
have
fuel
for
and
those
issues
get
out
of
control
every
once
in
a
while.
F
So
that's
a
a
concern
about
the
neighborhood,
as
well
as
the
health
of
the
air
quality
and
and
the
residents
who
have
over
the
years
had
some
very
horrible
accidents
occurred
and
injuries
due
to
fires.
And
then
you
know,
the
impact
on
the
adjacent
properties
can
be
negative
for
certain,
as
well
as
the
environment.
So
this
you
know
this
as
you
look
at
the
communities
around
the
country.
What
what
other
responses?
F
There's
kind
of
four
major
categories
of
responses
and
there
can
be
hybrids
and
mixes
and
matches,
but
generally
speaking,
communities
take
one
of
them.
Four
major
approaches,
one
is
to
say
no
camping
on
public
land.
You
know
you
gotta
move
you're
gonna.
You
know
a
couple
days
from
now
we're
gonna
clear
this
area.
F
Secondly,
would
be
clearance
clearance
of
camps
with
support
to
bring
in
outreach
workers
and
support
services,
and
maybe
it
would
be
to
clear
one
camp
but
move
them
to
another
location
that
or
help
them
move
to
another
location
and
also
make
sure
they
are
aware
of
what
services
are
available
through
the
continuum
of
care
or
other
programs.
F
F
You
know
harm
reduction
model
trying
to
with
the
understanding
that
if
you
clear
a
camp
they're
just
going
to
move,
people
are
just
going
to
move
somewhere
else
in
all
likelihood
and
if
they
disperse
it's
harder
for
outreach
workers
to
connect
with
them,
they
get
they
get
less
trust
trust
you
know
lose
trust
with
public
entities
who
are
moving
them
around
all
the
time
and
they
just
become
a
little
more.
You
know
try
to
hide
themselves
a
little
bit
more
better
next
time
and
then
the
fourth
one
is
a
formal,
sanctioned
encampment
category.
F
The
the
one
of
the
challenges
of
sanctioned
encampments
is
to
manage
the
encampment,
and
once
you
start
managing
the
encampment,
you
know,
then
you
have
rules
and
rules
can
be
some
of
the
obstacles
to
for
people
to
want
to.
You
know
you
know,
live
and
live
under
that
that
regime,
whatever
it
is
of
rules,
whether
they
buy
into
them
or
not.
Secondly,
the
city
has
no
experience
managing
residential
properties,
whether
they're
indoors
or
outdoors.
F
So
it's
a
challenge
for
and
most
municipalities
don't
have
that
kind
of
skill
set,
so
they
have
to
hire
it
out.
Typically,
so
you
know,
historically,
we've
done
tacit
asset
kind
of
tested
acceptance
with
occasional
clearances
with
support,
and
I
listed
those
in
the
report.
You
know
that
there's
been
the
jungle
number
one,
there's
been
an
area
where
we
put
in
the
dewatering
facility
for
dredging
and
there's
been
the
end
of
cherry
street,
the
epic
urban
renewal
agency
land
at
the
end
of
cherry
street,
which
was
the
most
recent
property
that
was.
F
F
If
you
tell
us
that
that's
a
policy
for
that
property
and
that's
kind
of
the
story
with
the
end
of
cherry
street
so
when
it
finally
got
around
to
having
the
department
of
public
works,
go
in
there
really
were
no
residents
living
there
at
that
time,
because
the
outreach
workers
had
given
notice
that
that
that
was
going
to
be
the
city
policy
regarding
that
property.
F
But
I
think
it's
important
to
know
that,
as
was
kind
of
referred
to,
there
aren't
always
options
for
everybody
who's
living
on
house
to
come
into
the
system.
If
you're
a
registered
sex
offender
you're
not
eligible
for
a
lot
of
services,
including
permanent,
supportive
housing,
you
I
think
you
can
get,
you
can
access
the
shelter,
but
that
shelter
is
just
you
know
in
for
24
hours
out
after
24
hours,
it's
not
really
a
long-term
solution
for
most
people.
A
The
regulations
these
regulations
on
registered
sex
offenders
are
they
federal
or
state.
F
That's
a
real
good
question.
I
don't
know
it's
not
local,
it's
either
state
or
federal.
I
bel.
I
think
it's
it's
state.
I
think
it's
state,
okay
and
there
are
some
efforts
to
try
to
soften
some
of
those
rules.
F
But
you
know
speaking
with
some
of
the
outreach
workers
there
and
with
the
continued
care
workers
there's
about
15
people
who
fall
into
that
category
and
in
many
cases
there
are
the
people
who
have
been
camping
out
for
over
10
years
at
southwest
in
in
many
instances,
you're
also
not
eligible
to
come
into
the
system,
if
you're
being
sanctioned
by
department
of
social
services
for
failure
to
comply
with
some
requirement.
F
I
know
I
understand
that
if
you,
if
you're
seeking
you
know
if
you're
diagnosed
with
mental
health
issues
or
suspected
of
it,
you
need
to
go
through
an
assessment
and
people
don't
always
show
up
for
those
appointments.
And
if
you
don't
show
up
for
the
appointment,
then
you
get
a
7
or
14
day
sanction
or
something
equivalent
to
that.
F
You
know
from
the
housing
you're
eventually
not
going
to
be
allowed
into
the
facilities
because
they
don't
want.
You
know
a
lot
of
people
are
recovering
in
those
facilities
and
are
abstaining
and
it's
a
kind.
It's
a
conflict
to
bring
in
somebody
who's
who
is
unable
to
abstain,
so
really
there's
kind
of
a
small.
We
don't
have
a
continuum,
that's
broad
enough
to
include
all
categories
right
now
and
we
don't
have
a.
F
We
don't
have
a
wet
shelter
as,
as
george
mcgonagall
would
say,
there's
no
wet
shelter
in
the
city
really
on
a
short
term
or
a
long-term
basis,
so
getting
to
the
city
of
policy.
Finally,
oh
yeah,
fernando
sorry,
it
just.
E
So
if
we
don't
have
a
wet
shelter,
yeah
we're
not
addressing
you
know,
we
have
to
somehow
find
a
way
to
accommodate
those
people
and
yeah
maybe
offer
help
to
ooh
mom.
But
you
can't
you
can't
just
say
you
can
only
come
here
if
you're,
you
know
you
have
substance
abuses
and
if
you
know
we
follow
every
rule
in
our
bureaucracy
to
as
a
mental
health
patient,
because
you
know
what
you
where
those
same,
60
or
70
percent
of
people
are
not
going
to
be
there.
E
E
E
We're
not
doing
this.
Is
you
know
we
see
so
much
in
our
treatment
of
low-income
populations.
This
is
we
have
this
punitive
system
in
place.
That
is
a
bit.
You
know
we're
shooting
ourselves
in
the
foot.
It's
just
not
it's
not
really
going
to
change
things,
because
people
are
just
going
to
move
away
from
it.
They're
never
they're
not
going
to
participate.
D
F
What's,
what
is
what
happening?
Are
they
turned
away
or
are
they
using.
D
F
Yeah,
my
understanding
is
the
shelter
allows
people
in
if
they're
inebriated,
but
not
if
they're
carrying
alcohol
in
with
them.
You
know,
for
example,
you
know
it
in
similarly
for
for
drug
use.
You
know
where
we've
moved.
You
know,
the
shelter
system
is
very
small
here
in
ithaca.
We
have
the
you
know:
6
18,
west
state
street
has
12
to
14
beds
during
the
winter.
There's
demand
for
at
least
80,
if
not
130
demands
for
people
who
are
presenting.
F
So
essentially
the
shelter
system
becomes
the
hotels
that
are
leased,
hotel
rooms
and
if
they
have
enough
staffing,
they
will
incorporate
some
sort
of
church,
basements
or
the
salvation
army
location.
They
don't
have
enough
staffing
to
staff
those
sites,
so
everybody
is
who
doesn't
fit
into
the
shelter
numbers
is
going
to
a
hotel
where
you
really
have
very
little
supervision.
On
one
hand,
you
could
say
you
know
it's
hard
to
stop
using
alcohol
or
drugs
when
you're
in
your
own
hotel
room.
F
So
you
know,
maybe
it
is
a
softer
issue
than
it
is,
but
but
that
the
shelter
is
only
a
night
by
night.
You
know
service,
it's
not
a
long-term
service,
so
it's
not
really.
You
know,
even
if
you
allow
alcohol
consumption
and
and
and
feeding
your
addiction,
the
drugs
you're
not
really
solving
the
problem
long
term,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
say
that
the
housing
managers
are
are
being
unreasonable.
F
I
mean
in
many
cases
they're
giving
people
many
many
chances
in
support,
but
it
just
doesn't
work
out
for
the
you
know,
somebody
who's
not
living
by
a
watch
or
a
clock,
and
it's
living
a
kind
of
a
you
know.
Missing
appointments
is
a
big
part
of
tammy
baker's
job
when
she
was
helping
people
make
appointments
was
a
big
part
of
tammy
baker's
job
as
a
community
outreach
worker,
because
people
just
have
a
hard
time
making
those
appointments
and
sticking
to
them.
A
C
Of
these
these
these
services,
do
they
actually
do
people
actually
go
into
the
encampment
and
explain
things
and
talk
to
folks
expect
them.
What's.
F
Out
there
yeah,
we
have
an
enhanced
outreach.
The
team
that's
made
up
of
a
member
from
department
of
social
services,
oar
salvation
army,
second
wind
cottages,
and
then
the
community
outreach
worker,
which
was
tammy
baker,
she's
now
taking
a
new
job
as
a
property
manager
at
art
house.
F
So
now
it's
natalya,
I
can't
remember
telly's
last
name
but
and
they
have
a
they
just
hired
a
second
person.
So
yeah
there
are
people
going
out.
The
outreach
workers
know
every
single
person
out
in
in
encampments
and
they
work
with
them
and
try
to
meet
them.
Where
they're
at
they're
very
clear
that
they
are
not
enforcing
rules,
they
are
not.
You
know
they
are
not
an
enforcement
agency,
they
are
not.
They
are
they're
there
to
try
to
facilitate
support,
but
that's
not
their
job
to
enforce
things.
They
do
help.
F
People
acknowledge,
you
know
one,
you
know.
Are
you
in
an
appropriate
in
a
very
inappropriate
location?
You
know,
should
you
think
about
moving?
Should
you
you
know
if
you,
if
you're
willing
to
consider
coming
into
the
system,
you
know
here's,
how
we
facilitate
that
and
there's
been
some
good
successes.
There's
been
some
long-term
residents
who
have
moved
into
stable
housing
and
it's
been
successful
for
them,
but
it's
not.
You
know
it
doesn't
work
for
everybody.
C
Are
these?
Are
these
discussions
going
on
at
a
county
level
as
well?
Are
we
working
with
the
county
folks.
F
Increasingly,
on
a
policy
level,
yeah,
first
of
all,
the
county
is
a
very
involved
player
in
the
continuum
of
care.
So
most
social
services
are
delivered
through
the
department
of
social
services,
accounting
agency,
that
is
really
administering
state
policy
and
state
resources
and
and
we've
had
very
good
involvement
by
the
county
at
the
continuum
of
care.
But,
as
I
mentioned
early
on,
encampments
are
not
part
of
the
continuum
of
care.
Nobody
wants
to
recognize
encampments
as
part
of
their
system.
F
It's
kind
of
the
it's
kind
of
the
those
who
are
outside
the
system
and
oftentimes
people
who
are
living
encampments.
Do
not
report,
you
know,
are
not
part
of
the
database
because
they
they
don't
participate
in
the
system,
they're
not
presenting
what
government
agencies.
So
when
I
gave
you
those
counts
previously,
you
know
those
are
undercuts,
we're
all.
It's
always
an
undercount
when
you're
trying
to
measure
something
as
hard
to
measure
as
homelessness
when
people
don't
want
want
to
be
found
or
when
they
don't
want
to
participate
with
a
government
agency.
G
F
I
I
think
I
think
there
are-
and
I
think
it's
usually
one
of
these
balance
issues
where
somebody
who's
living
unsheltered
is
making
a
very
pragmatic
choice
at
that
point
in
time
about
here's,
here's
what
I'm
facing
if
I
stay
outside
and
here's
what
I
can
get
if
I
move
inside,
but
if
I
move
inside
into
the
system,
I'm
now
being
you
know,
I've
got
rules.
I
have
to
follow
what
about
my
pet.
What
about
my
friends
that
I
want
to
bring
over
on
a
regular
basis?
F
What
about
you
know
alcohol
and
and
drug
use,
and
is
the
location
where
I'm
gonna
receive
services
and
be
how
is
temporarily
a
location
I
want
to
be
at?
Is
it
close
to
services?
Is
it
close
to
a
job?
F
Is
it
close
to
you
know
all
those
things
I
think
they're
really,
and
then
I
think
it's
pointed
out
increasingly
important
by
continuing
care
members
is
that
sense
of
autonomy
and
freedom
that
you
lose
when
you
are
sometimes
in
in
the
in
the
governmental
systems
like
fernando
is
referencing,
for
example,
the
shelter
you
have
to
be
in
by
a
certain
time
in
the
night,
and
you
got
to
be
out
by
a
certain
time
in
the
morning.
F
You
you
don't
have
the
freedom
to
just
stay
as
long
as
you
want,
and
that
can
conflict
if
you're
working
night
jobs
that
can
be
hard
or
unusual
hours
or
if
it
just
doesn't
match
up
with
your
lifestyle.
So
there's
really
there's
no.
It's
important
to
understand
that
any
any
person
can
refuse
services.
They
don't
you,
nobody
can
mandate.
You
to
you
know
you
know,
take
you
know,
receive
counseling,
it's
always
voluntary
and
and
people
are
going
and
some
people
are
opting
out
because
it
from
their
perspective,
it's
the
best
choice
for
them.
F
At
that
point
in
time,
the
outreach
workers
talk
about
a
contemplative
period
where
people
who
are
unsheltered
think
about
it.
They
move
closer
and
closer
and
oftentimes.
They
don't
make
that
next
step
where
they,
you
know,
they
indicate
they're
interested,
but
then
they
don't
really
follow
through
in
a
way
that
that
works
successfully
or
they
they
take
two
steps
forward
and
one
step
back
and
it
takes
weeks
or
months
before
they're
really
ready.
F
So
it's
it's
real.
It's
it's
not
a
clean
black
and
white
scenario.
There
was
a
point
in
time
two
months
ago,
where
the
king
of
care
had
financial
support
available
to
anybody
who
was
unsheltered
to
receive
financial
assistance
to
find
rental,
housing
or
support
it.
Didn't
you
know
the
community
of
care
could
not
actually
locate
a
site
for
them
necessarily
they'd
have
to
hunt
for
an
apartment.
It
might
not
be
the
apartment
they
want.
They
may
not
be
ready
to
move
into
apartment
to
live.
F
You
know
in
a
in
a
smaller
unit
somewhere,
that's
not
near
their
friends
and
and
their
in
their
services.
But
there
was
a
point
in
time
where
we
had
resources
available.
We
we've
lost
that
now,
because
there's
never
enough
resources,
usually
there's
never
enough
resources
to
address
everybody,
but
there
was
an
opportunity
where
somebody
wanted
to
come
into
the
system.
F
There
was
enough
resources
at
that
point
time
to
help
them
financially,
but
there
are
other
issues
besides
financial
issues,
so
I'm
suggesting
in
this
policy
the
city
as
a
major
landowner
of
vacant
land,
is
going
to
be
continually
facing
this
issue
and
that
the
best
approach
from
the
city
from
a
landowner's
point
of
view,
is
to
minimize
the
number
of
locations
and
the
footprint
of
encampment
areas,
but
recognize
that,
given
all
the
barriers
we
mentioned,
there
needs
to
be
some
locations
in
the
city
that
are
available
for
camping
until
we
can
expand
the
supply
the
system
to
allow
a
wider
variety
of
housing.
F
First,
you
know
basically
until
housing
first
model
can
be
implemented
and
expand,
that
there
are
a
lot
of
legal
issues
related
to
formally
sanctioning
encampments
or
or
authorizing
them,
because
once
the
city
acknowledges
an
encampment
on
its
property
and
authorizes
it,
it's
subject
to
code.
F
The
recommendation.
I'm
saying
in
terms
of
that
land
use
policy
issue
is
try
to
identify
an
area.
That's
an
area
or
areas
that
are
lower
impact
on
the
neighborhood,
have
provide
better
access
for
services
and
for
delivering
services
and
are
reasonably
convenient
for
people,
because
if
you
create
a
place,
you
know
two
miles
up
a
canyon.
You
know
you
know
people
people
are
not
going
to
go
there,
so
it
needs
to
be
an
area
that
people
are
willing
to
find.
F
As
a
as
an
acceptable
location,
essentially
that
falls
into
the
area
behind
walmart
and
lowe's
right
now
you
know:
that's
probably
one
area
that
that
fits
that
kind
of
criteria.
There
may
be
other
areas
that
fit
that
criteria
as
well,
but
suggesting-
and
that's
basically
been
the
city
policy
implicitly
for
the
last
five
or
ten
years.
E
Yeah
I
can
see
where
they
are
now:
it's
yes,
it's
where
they
are.
They
self-selected,
where,
where
they
want
to
be
in
a
sense
or
where
they
can't
be,
I
wonder:
is
there
any
opportunity
to
relax
some
of
those
regulatory
requirements
for
a
situation
like
this?
You
know
in
an
effort
to
help
this
homeless
group.
You
know
we,
you
know
we
relax
some
of
those
regulations
to
be
able
to
provide
some
services
and
assistance
or
better
housing
or
whatever.
E
So
can
we
identify
situations
where
we
can
relax
the
rules
and
you
know
and
then
try
to
provide
some
level
of
help?
I'm
not
saying
it
solves
it,
but
you
hate
to
hear
that
because
there's
codes
and
this
and
then
the
other
and
the
lawyers
gonna
sue
you
that
you
know
you
can't
take
a
step
forward
in
any
way.
It's.
F
Right
I
mean
there's,
there's
codes,
there's
codes,
but
there's
sometimes
good
reasons
why
there
are
codes
too.
Oh.
E
E
Allowing
them
to
live
in
a
tent,
so
I
mean
what
we're
proposing
is
that
we're
gonna
look
the
other
way
because
they're
they're
not
in
our
way
there,
so
we're
gonna.
Let
them
live
in
the
tent,
so
you
know
we
can
do.
Maybe
if,
if
we
offer
a
little
flexibility
in
our
wrecks,
maybe
we
can
offer
some
help.
F
Yeah,
in
fact,
the
outreach
workers
and
others
continue
to
care
are
providing
restroom
portable
restrooms
and
you
know
some
hand
wash
facilities.
I
don't
think
we've
addressed
the
drinking
water
issue
in
any.
I
don't
believe
that
service
that's
provided
on
a
regular
basis,
so
there
are,
you
know,
opportunity
to
provide
services
and,
and
some
of
those
enhancements
that
would
make
an
area
more
livable
would
include
some
of
the
things
you
mentioned
fernando.
You
know
it
could
be
storage
lockers,
because
that's
a
big
issue
for
people
who
are
moving
with
all
their
possessions.
F
You
know
clean
drinking
water.
You
know
safe
cooking
facilities,
you
know,
even
if
it's
like
a
campfire
pit,
you
know
that's
designed
for
campgrounds
it'd
be
better
than
what
is
used
often
times
all
right.
There's
an
ongoing
debate
about
the
safety
of
propane
canisters,
which
are
very
common
out
there.
F
E
F
But
yeah
they,
the
the
the
building
code,
has
been
modified
to
or,
as
at
the
state
level,
they've
created
a
tiny
home
code
standard,
which
is
much
more
flexible,
but
you
know
so.
I
think
what
you're
pointing
to,
though,
is
what
I,
what
I
want
to
emphasize
as
part
of
the
policy
is:
is
it's
not
enough
to
deal
with
encampments
by
itself
in
isolation?
It's
not
going
to
get
you
very
far
down
the
road
you're
going
to
revisit
it
every
couple
years,
you're
not
going
to
make
any
progress.
F
We
should
spend
more
time,
or
at
least
as
much
time
looking
at.
How
can
we
expand
the
the
continuum
of
care
to
create
facilities
that
are
appealing
to
people
who
are
living
unsheltered
and-
and
my
my
suggestion
in
this
policy
is
that
the
city
could
issue
an
rfp
to
not-for-profit
groups
to
see
who's
interested
if
there
was
city
land
available,
if
there
was
city
and
county
resources,
financial
resources
available,
who
you
know
what
would
agencies
or
volunteer
groups?
Well,
we
need
a
formal
agency
of
some
sort,
but
what
would
agencies
propose
to
provide?
F
Because
not
every
agency
is
equipped
to
deal
with
every
type
of
every
category
of
homelessness?
You
know,
whereas
one
group
may
say
yeah,
we
can
manage
a
campground,
but
we
can't
manage
you
know
indoor
housing
issues
or
we
we
can.
We
can
do
all
housing
that
has
facilities
for
pets.
You
know,
for
example,
or
something
like
that
they
may
not
be
willing
to.
You
know
work
with
somebody.
Who's
got.
You
know
an
alcohol
abuse,
you
know
issue
or
something.
So
I
think
we
know
we
need
to
see.
F
We
need
to
develop
some
smaller,
multiple
facilities
that
address
some
of
these
populations.
In
my
mind,
I
don't
think
there's
going
to
be
one
facility
that
can
serve
everybody,
because
it's
just
too
diverse
and
mixing
people
in
recovery
with
people
who
are
actively
using
is
generally
not
a
successful
strategy.
F
F
The
county
can
apply
to
new
york
state
for
for
the
same
program,
and
if
we
can
match
up
our
needs
together
and
apply,
we
can
get
some
pretty
pretty
strong
resources
available.
If
we
can
find
an
agency
that
wants
to
operate
a
facility
and
if
we
can
find
an
entity
that
wants
to
build
a
facility,
we
don't
have
a
deep
bench
of
organizations
in
tompkins
county
that
do
those
things.
F
So
that's
going
to
be
one
of
the
challenges
we
may
have
to
reach
outside
of
thompson's
county
to
find
an
operator
or
a
or
a
a
contract.
You
know
somebody
who
reconstruct
the
facility,
so
I
mean
we've
heard
the
gambit
of
ideas
from
you
know:
tiny
houses,
housing,
first,
tiny
houses
to
to
wet,
shelters
permanent.
You
know
permanent,
affordable
housing
for
people
with
with
addictions,
youth,
housing,
youth,
homeless,
housing
is
another
category,
the
day
day
day,
services
location
that
we
in
the
samaritan
center
used
to
be
pretty
active.
F
But
since
covet,
it's
only
allowed
like
two
people
in
at
a
time
or
two
or
four
people.
So
there's
really
not
very
many
places
for
people
to
go
during
the
day.
For
a
lot
of
these
facilities,
if
you're
in
the
shelter
you're
supposed
to
be
out
of
the
shelter
during
the
daytime
in
normal
times,
so
there's
a
lot
of
gaps
in
our
system.
I
don't
you
know.
F
F
I
just
want
to
note
right
now
that
we're
having
art
house
has
taken
on
40
chronically
homeless
people
into
that
project
right
now,
and
it's
creating
some
challenges
for
the
neighborhood
and
for
the
other
residents.
That's
a
lot
of
people
to
bring
into
one
facility
all
at
one
time
and
have
it
you
know
and
have
everything
worked
out
well,
when
people
who
have
been
homeless
for
months
or
years
are
finally
getting
into
a
to
stable
housing,
but
they're
not
used
to
necessarily
always
living
with
neighbors
on
left
and
right
up
and
down.
F
You
know
in
an
apartment,
building
so
they're
facing
some
challenges
there
that
they're
trying
to
get
manage
and
what
we've
seen
in
the
literature
is
that
most
facilities
that
are
targeting
and
working
with
chronically
homeless.
People
who
are
moving
people
from
unsheltered
to
sheltered,
usually
take
a
year
or
two
before
they
stabilize
there's
always
going
to
be
a
little
bit
of
a.
F
You
know
serving
youth
age
18
to
24
we're
going
to
kind
of
age
out
of
the
facility,
and
I
think
the
conclusion
is
that
many
of
the
people
are
probably
not
likely
to
move
out
of
the
facility
in
in
the
short
term,
it's
going
to
take
years
more
than
rather
than
months,
even
though
you
don't
have
a
there's,
no
date
to
move
out,
you
can
stay
there
as
long
even
after
you
age
out
at
age
24.
F
As
long
as
you
came
in
before
you're
age
24,
but
I
think
their
sense
is
that,
because
of
the
housing
market,
you
know
and
other
issues
that
it's
likely
that
the
residents
are
going
to
be
much
more
stable.
Chartwell
on
meadow
street
has
very
low
turnover,
historically,
as
an
example
of
that.
So
what
hud
is
asking
communities
to
do
is
to
try
to
facilitate
moving
people
from
permanent
supportive
housing
into
just
market
rate,
affordable
housing,
but
it's
a
hard
balance
for
some
people,
especially
in
a
housing
market.
F
As
expensive,
is
it
yeah
so
so
I
think
we're
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
role
is
for
the
county
in
this
policy
and
they
certainly
are
players.
And,
secondly,
what
is
you
know?
What
I
didn't
discuss
at
all
is
what
happens
when
there
is
a
decision
that
there
needs
to
be
a
clearance,
that
is
that
people
are
camping
in
an
appropriate
location.
That's
a
whole
nother
set
of
specific
details
that
have
to
be
worked
out.
F
I
think
the
framework
would
be
with
as
much
support
as
possible
to
help
people
move
to
another
location,
well,
first,
to
move
into
the
system
and
try
to
come
into
the
system
and
work
with
that.
But
if
they're
not
willing
to
do
that
to
help
them
relocate
to
another
location,
that
is
a
low
priority
enforcement
area
because
we
don't
want
to
just
make
the
problem
worse.
But
we
do
need
to
come
up
with
an
approach
to
how
to
make
that
work.
F
E
E
F
I
think
would
be
helpful
would
be
some
sort
of
a
city
county
inter
interagency.
You
know,
staff
that
would
that
would
really
focus
on
the
issue
right
now.
Homelessness
is
the
fifth
priority
of
everybody.
You
know
nobody
takes
ownership
of
encampments,
and
so,
if
I
bring
in
dpw
to
clean
up
an
area,
that's
you
know:
that's
they're
going
to
get
to
that
after
they
do
the
streets
and
you
know,
do
the
snow
plowing
and
then
they
finally
kind
of
get
around
you
know
in
their
work
plan.
To
get
to
that.
F
We
really
don't
have
anybody
focusing
on
this
issue
as
their
primary
job,
and
I
make
I
make
a
reference
to
the
way
that
the
city
was
managing
parking
10
years
ago.
It
was
also
the
fifth
priority
of
dpw
the
police.
F
You
know
the
mayor,
the
controller,
nobody
managed
parking
at
all
until
about
four
years
ago,
and-
and
you
could
argue,
it
still
has
some
challenges,
but
it's
much
more
organized
since
we
have
a
point
person
for
parking
in
the
city
and
we
I
think
we
need
that
kind
of
a
point
person
or
point
agency
to
deal
with
homeless
encampments
because
it
just
is
too
easy
to
focus
on
the
other
aspects
of
your
job.
A
E
Real
quick,
I
think,
there's
a
probably
a
role
for
the
mental
health
department
of
the
county.
I
think
they'd
be
all
over
this
and
such
a
an
overlap
in
that
interest
area.
So
I
recognize
there's
no
one.
So
there's
no
silver
bullet
here,
we're
dealing
with
people
and
every
individual's
gonna
have
different
needs.
So
we'll
probably
need
a
variety
of
solutions
you
mentioned.
E
I
I'm
I've
been
looking
at.
Second,
when
kai
they
seem
like
a
I
don't
know,
there
seems
to
be
a
level
of
expertise
built
in
there
and-
and
I
know
you've
mentioned
them
already
and
they're
involved.
Is
there
a
role,
an
opportunity
to
take
groups
like
second
win
or
nhs
and.
F
Yeah,
I
think
there
is
there
is
interest
I
nhs
has
in
the
past,
indicated
they're
willing
to
work
on
the
issue.
If,
if,
if
the
city
asks
them,
essentially
they
don't
want
it
a
lot
of
these
agencies,
don't
want
to
say
they
know
how
to
answer.
You
know
to
do
it.
They
want.
I
think
they
would
want
an
invitation
to
come,
join
the
city
and
working
to
find
positive
solutions
and
and
those
positive
solutions
have
to
have
some
sort
of
financial.
F
You
know
sustainability,
of
course,
but
second
wind
has
also
indicated
interest
in
working
with
the
city
and
others
to
work
on
the
issue.
Second,
wind
is
a
you
know,
abstention,
kind
of
program
when
you,
when
you
live
at
second
wind
you,
so
they.
F
They're,
not
a
housing.
First,
you
know
per
se.
Everybody's
welcome
in
you've
got
to
commit
to
abstain,
but
but
they'll
work
with
you
and
they
recognize
that
those
people
who
have
addictions
are
not
successful
the
first
time
it
takes
a
long.
You
know
a
road
back
and
forth,
but
I
think
there
are
some
opportunities
there.
But
again
you
do
you
exhaust
the
bench
pretty
quick
after
you
list.
You
know
those
two
agencies,
tompkins
community
action,
has
been
a
big
player
but
they're
pretty
they're,
pretty
much.
F
A
E
It's
kind
of
like,
if
you
can,
if
you
can
get
forty
percent
of
the
people
out
of
encampments.
Well,
that's
that's
moving
forward.
E
D
So
I'm
seeing
the
sanctioned
encampment
as
a
stop
gap
measure.
At
this
point
correct
I
mean
we're
probably
going
to
want
to
look
for
something
more
long-term,
but
even
with
sanctioned
encampments.
D
I
think
that's
taking
on
a
new
level
of
responsibility
that
the
city's
taking
on-
and
I
would
want
to
see
that
happen
in
conjunction
with
the
county
and
that
there's
an
agency
that
there's
some
sort
of
contract
with
an
agency
to
manage
it.
I
also
see
that
at
least
if
there
was
some
consolidation
of
encampments
as
it
is
now,
there
would
be
more
chance
for
porta
potties
drinking
water
and,
just
you
know
less
fire.
D
I
I
I
think
that
that
could
be
good
to
have
that
sort
of
oversight
going
on
in
one
area
rather
than
everywhere,
and
but
I
I
do
think
that
the
long-term
need
is
to
think
about
what
housing
and
isn't
there
that
housing
study
going
on
right
now
that
homeless,
housing
study,
I
mean,
isn't
that
what
that's
going
to
come
out
with
that.
C
Not
so
much
a
question
but
pretty
much
what
stacy
was
stacy
tracy
was
saying.
Also,
I
don't
sense
urgency
and
I
feel
there
is
a
sense
of
urgency
with
what
we're
talking
about.
So
whatever
we
can
steps
steps
we
can
take
quickly,
I
would
be
in
favor
of
the
the
sanctioned
encampment
is
a
good
idea.
How
do
we
move
the
folks
that
are,
in
the
other
encampments
there
with
the
least
destruction
disruption
to
their
lives?
C
The
urgency
is
something
that
I
really
feel
for
these
folks,
and
I
know
that
the
city
isn't,
you
know
the
fastest
moving
group,
but
if
we
could
at
least
get
a
point
person
assigned
fairly,
you
know
quickly,
someone
who
could
just
move
things
along,
because
I
think
that's
where
we're
headed
and
then
we
can
turn
talk
long
term,
but
it's
cold
out.
There.
C
A
A
All
right
well,
thank
you
very
much
nails.
This
is
really
interesting.
I
I
don't
envy
you
on
the
continuum
of
the
care,
because
this
is
a
really
tough,
tough
issue,
especially
when
we're
talking
about
the
folks
who
were
really
outside
what
the
system
was
designed
for
the
sex
offenders,
the
the
folks
who
are
chronically
mentally
ill
chronically
abusing
drugs
and
alcohol.
C
Carl,
I
just
have
a
quick.
I
forgot
to
mention
one
small
thing:
I'm
sorry
not
not
necessarily
to
look
for
building
a
structure,
but
perhaps
to
look
around
for
a
structure
that
can
be
modified
for
their
needs.
There
may
be
a
large
structure,
maybe
you
know
maybe
a
hotel,
as
was
once
talked
about,
or
maybe
you
know
I'm
thinking
you
know
the
mall
I
know
is
too
far,
but
something
like
a
mall
within
our
city
limits.
I
don't
know,
but
doesn't
necessarily
to
me-
have
to
be
a
new
structure
built.
D
A
B
Yeah
and
I
can
follow
up
with
nels
later,
but
I
just
wanted
to
bring
up.
I
was
talking
to
a
member
of
the
enhanced
outreach
team
recently
and
she
mentioned
something
that
is
kind
of
baked
into
why
people
have
trouble
when
they
move
into
housing,
and
that
is
that
most
permanent
supportive
housing
organizations
have
no
smoking
policies
and
hud
itself
requires
that
for
public
housing,
and
so
if
people
are
smoking
in
their
rooms,
for
example,
that
can
set
them
on
a
path
to
eviction.
B
Now
I
think
we
can
all
agree
the
reasons
for
having
a
no
smoking
policy
are
extremely
important,
but
I
I
just
bring
this
up
as
something
that,
in
terms
of
like
some
sort
of
no
barrier,
housing,
first
type,
shelter
or
permanent
housing,
something
as
seemingly
simple
as
smoking
can
really-
which
you
might
think
is
on
the
spectrum
of
things
that
are
like
high
risk
might
be
one
of
the
lower
down
things.
Even
that
I
think,
because
of
some
regulations,
if
federal
money
is
involved
and
I've
been
actually
searching
for
documentation.
B
While
we've
been
talking,
if
federal
money
is
involved,
it
may
be
a
requirement
that
the
the
site
have
a
no
smoking
policy
and
that
something
as
simple
as
that
can
create
a
barrier
for
somebody's
success.
A
A
Oh,
we
should
also
mention,
of
course,
denise
has
sent
along
some
some
links
to
some
videos
and
articles
to
read.
I
didn't
get
a
chance
to
review
those,
but
it
does
address
so
this
issue.
B
I
think
you'll
find
that
those
those
articles
and
stories
really
were
bringing
up
the
questions
that
all
of
you
brought
up,
I
mean
might
be.
I
don't
know
how
educational
it'll
be,
but
it
might
be.
You
know
just
to
know
that
those
are
everything
that
you're
bringing
up
or
questions
that
people
have.
B
C
A
Thank
you,
one
of
the
one
of
the
questions
that
impressed
me,
so
you
can
really
or
impress
you
know.
The
answer
can
relate
this
to
nails
when,
at
the
start
of
our
discussion,
nails
mentioned
some
of
the
cities
who
are
also
you
know,
suffering
this
problem.
One
of
the.
A
One
of
the
things
you
hear
often
is
that
ithaca
has
a
homeless
problem
because
we're
a
liberal
city,
you
know,
services
are
so
readily
available
and
we
draw
people
in
so
my
question
is
you
know
how
much
of
a
myth
that
is?
But
if
you
look
at
elmira
courtlin
for
example,
what
do
their
point
in
time
counts?
Tell
us
about
the
extent
of
homelessness
in
those
more
conservative
cities.
B
I
think
that's
a
excellent
question
carl,
and
I
think
that
that
type
of
information,
the
point
in
time
count
information,
is
something
that
we
can
look
into
for
other
communities.
I
would
say
that
I
mean
there's
so
many
different
types
of
responses
to
what
you
just
asked.
One
thing
I
would
say
is
that
anecdotally,
sometimes
what
we
hear
is
that
other
communities
who
are
mandated
to
do
point
in
time
counts,
don't
make
the
same
sort
of
effort
to
do
so.
A
B
Some
communities
do
so.
There
is
the
point
in
time.
Count
is
required.
However,
there's
no
oversight
that
I'm
aware
of
there's
no
auditing
that
I'm
aware
of
or
monitoring
while
it's
happening.
For
example,
you
know
hud
monitors,
you
know
various
programs
and
things
like
that.
You
know
when
they
have
the
time
to
do
so,
but
I've
never
heard
of
like
point-in-time
accounts
being
monitored.
B
So
I
I
think,
there's
that
that's
that's
one
issue
so
there
you
know,
I
think
some
in
the
field
might
say
that
for
communities
that
do
not
want
to
establish
further
services
for
homeless
people,
they're,
maybe
less
invested
in
trying
to
receive
an
accurate
count.
There's
that
that
I
mean
that
might
be
a
controversial
thing
to
say
as
an
example,
what
did
you
say.
B
Secondly,
I'll
say
just
as
an
example,
you
know
when
I
used
to
work
in
la
in
homeless
services,
the
kind
of
common
thing
that
was
said
there,
similar
to
what
gets
said
about
ithaca
but
kind
of
a
different
flavor.
Is
people
come
to
la
to
be
homeless
because
it's
warmer
than
other
places
so
of
course,
they're
going
to
come
here.
These
are
folks
that
are
coming
from
other
places
to
utilize
our
resources.
B
So
I
worked
with
an
agency
that
did
a
study
at
various
times.
B
It
was
homeless
women,
but
we
interviewed,
like
500,
homeless
women
on
one
day
and
the
information
that
was
gained
from
that
is
that
most
of
the
respondents
well
over.
I
think
it
was
well
over.
Two-Thirds
came
from
somewhere
in
the
los
angeles
county
and
became
homeless
in
los
angeles
county,
the
next
highest
level
of
people
that
were
homeless
in
la
county.
At
the
time
we
did,
the
study
were
from
adjacent
counties
and
then
the
smallest
portion
were
for
from
people
who
had
come
from
somewhere
else
and
become
homeless.
B
So
I
think
in
terms
of
how
we
think
about
homelessness,
I
think
there's
often
a
sense
that
well
people
are
drawn
to
a
community
because
of
what
is
there
and
I
think,
if
we
think
of
it
in
terms
of
what
humans
normally
do,
which
is
go
in
search
of
opportunity
there.
There
are
some
people
that
are
going
to
do
that
because
they
can't
live
where
they
are,
but
I
don't
think
it's
ever
going
to
be
the
majority
of
who
is
served
or
who
has
who
has
become
homeless.
B
I
mean
so
that's
a
rather
long
answer,
but
I
hope
it
sheds
some
light.
I
also
would
say
that,
as
nells
already
pointed
out
in
talking
with
the
enhanced
outreach
team,
you
know
the
number
of
people
that
are
homeless,
though
it
fluctuates,
depending
on
situation,
the
ones
that
you
know
the
sort
of
core
central
number
of
people
that
don't
experience.
A
lot
of
movement
has
remained
the
same
for
a
long
time
so
about
35
people
or
households.
I
should
say
so.
B
Even
with
that
35
number,
I
think
a
multiplicity
of
approaches
is
needed
right
because
something
that's
going
to
work.
For
you
know
one
household
isn't
going
to
work
for
another
household
and
I
think
that's
very
hard
for
people
to
get.
You
know
their
heads
around
this.
This
need
to
develop
different
approaches.
B
What
I
always
do
say,
though,
is
like
even
if
it
I
mean.
I
think
it's
really
about
chipping
away
right,
it's
like
if
you
could
reduce
that
by
half.
That
would
be
a
huge
success
and
then
people
who
knew
people
who
got
housed
might
be
more
in
a
situation
of
being
able
to
think
about
it
being
able
to
have
somebody
help
them
through
the
process
who
they
know
things
like
that.
C
Just
no
carl
just
triggered
something
when
he
said
something,
and
I
do
know
one
example
of
a
young
woman
who
moved
to
this
area
from
the
new
york
city
area
became
homeless
there
with
her
family
and
was
encouraged
to
come
here
by
friends
and
her
reaction
to
the
way
she
was
treated
by
services
that
she
was
offered
in
new
york.
Compared
to
here
here
was
wonderful.
C
She
was
told
if
she
came
here
that
what
she
told
me
was
that
there
she
was
treated
like
a
number,
and
here
she
was
treated
like
a
person
and
that
they
cared
for
her,
not
only
her
housing
but
her
children
and
her.
You
know
everything,
and
so
it
was
very
attractive
for
her
to
come
here.
So
when
you
said,
if
the
services
are
better,
I
think
they're
the
same
services,
but
I
think
we
take
it
a
step
further.
B
And
the
last
thing
I
just
wanted
to
say
was,
I
think,
in
our
outlying
rural
areas,
there
is
a
lot
of
substandard
housing
that
people
may
be
in,
for
whatever
reason,
whether
it's
because
you
know
it's
been
in
their
family
for
a
long
time
and
they've
never
been
able
to
repair
it,
but
they're
still
living
in
situations
that
you
know
would
be
inspected
in
another
place
and
maybe
condemned.
B
D
I
also
talked
to
somebody
who
she
and
her
husband
were
homeless
here
and
they
disappeared
for
a
while,
and
I
said
where
were
you
and
she
said?
Oh
well,
we
went
to
geneva,
but
we
came
back
here
because
it's
much
better
here,
so
you
know
that's
my
unit
of
one.
Maybe
two.
E
E
I
don't
know
small
repair
type
programs,
because
you
know
it
it
that
that
that
that
is
sort
of
you
know.
Somebody
has
housing,
even
if
it's
inadequate,
if
we
can
help
them,
make
it
out.
But
you
know
you're
gonna
prevent
somebody
from
being
homeless
or
losing
their
home
or
whatever.
B
I
would
be
happy
to
look
into
that.
I
can
just
say
two
things.
One
is
I'm
sure,
you're
all
aware
that
the
county
also
offers
with
inhs
small
repair
for
senior
citizens
in
the
county,
so
senior
citizens
reach
that
through
the
accounting
office
for
the
aging,
I'm
not
aware
that
the
county
offers
small
repair
for
people.
Like
you
know
in
in
the
city
of
ithaca
their
you
know,
inhs
has
asked
us
to
widen
the
criteria.
To
you
know
people
who
are
disabled
single
parent
households.
Things
like
that.
I'm
not
aware
of
that.
B
Existing
in
the
county.
Also
inhs,
as
you
know,
has
expanded
their
service
area
and
I
believe
they're
they
may
be
getting
into
providing
some
of
those
resources
in
other
counties
for
their
support.
For
that
I
will
say
that,
just
from
again
anecdotally,
my
own
experience
with
people,
I've
known
the
level
of
repair
that
would
be
needed
is
actually
more
major,
homeowner
repair
like
even
more
than
what
ihs
provides
currently
in
ithaca.
B
Well,
they
acquired
better
housing.
Some
years
back
and
better
housing
worked
in
other
counties,
so
they're
continuing
that
work
and
I
believe
they.
This
is.
B
A
I
think
they're
they're
they're
contiguous
counties,
perhaps
not
all
six,
but
certainly
I
think
the
majority
of
them
steve.
A
Now,
your
audio
still,
you
sound
like
it's
really
high,
pitched
and
very
fast.
A
A
Yeah
steve
was
a
former
code
enforcement
officer
for
the
town,
so
I
think
he
has
some
some
expertise
in
housing
and
those
matters
yeah.
While
we're
waiting,
we
can
move
on
to
our
in
our
agenda.
We
have
we
had
our
schedule.
A
And
so
everyone
could
take
a
look
at
that
ensure
that
you
have.
You
know
the
dates
for
me.
So
our
february
meeting
will
be
the
first
of
our
first
meetings
to
review
the
the
applications
that
have
come
in
okay,
steve.
G
Okay,
okay,
so
to
address
fernando's
questions
about
assistance
in
the
outlying
communities.
There
are
lots
of
grants
that
are
available
for
people
in
the
outlying
community.
I
mean
in
rural
areas
to
repair
their
houses.
One
of
the
problems
with
trying
to
get
people
in
in
rural
areas
to
repair
their
houses
is
their
reluctance
to
to
participate.
G
G
As
soon
as
somebody
came
onto
their
property,
they
would
pull
out
a
gun
or
say
don't
come
here
and
the
only
way
that
anyone
could
ever
approach.
This
person's
house
was
with
the
being
accompanied
by
the
sheriff's
department,
so
it
creates
one
of
those
situations
where
they're
never
going
to
be
willing
to
to
participate
or
even
accept
any
any
assistance.
G
So
it
makes
it
really
hard
to
to
to
get
involved
with
doing
any
repairs
in
those
in
those
type
of
communities
I
mean
tompkins
county
has.
Has
I
guess
it's
buffalo
street,
not
the
hill
road,
buffalo
hill
road,
where
you've
got
people
that
just
are.
None
are
not
willing
to
be
involved,
they're
not
going
to
ask
for
assistance
and
if
they
get,
if
their
assistance,
that's
given
to
them
or
ask
them
to
participate,
they're
going
to
be
really
resistant.
G
B
I
think
I
would
just
want
to
follow
that
up.
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
williams.
I
think
I
would
just
want
to
follow
that
up
by
saying
that
I
think
if
the
folks
that
he's
described
were
in
an
urban
environment,
they
would
be
homeless.
B
They
happened
to
you
know
in
the
characteristic
that
he
described
the
you
know
need
for
intensive
relationship
building.
You
know
to
even
make
any
progress,
but
not
really,
you
know
not
being
able
to
get
there.
I
think
that
is
he.
You
know
he
describes
something
that
you
know
in
another
context
would
be
will
be
seen
as
homelessness.
E
Because
for
every
10
people
who
won't
let
you
in
their
house,
there
may
be
four
people
who
will
let
you
in
the
house.
So
let's
work
with
the
four
people
in
the
house
and
you
know,
move
a
step
forward
and
it
you
know
transportation.
We
also
have
this
conundrums
of
people
who
don't
want
to
do
anything.
But
then
so
you
work
with
the
people
who
do
want
to
do
something
and
you
move
a
little
bit
ahead.
E
And
hopefully
you
know
you
build
some
sort
of
credibility
in
the
community,
et
cetera,
which
may
help
in
the
future.
But
we
can't
sort
of
those
extreme
cases
dictate
the
action
of
paralyzed.
You
know,
but
I
I
understand
they're
there
and
they're
real,
and
you
know
that
guy
who
won't
let
you
in
we'll.
Never
let
you
in
yeah,
but
let's
find
the
guys
who
will
and
let's
try
to
work
with
those.
A
Okay,
in
the
interest
of
time
we're
going
to
move
on
in
our
agenda,
were
there
any
questions
about
our
schedule
of
meetings,
any
conflicts
that
are
coming
up
or,
if
so,
take
a
look
at
our
the
committee
meetings,
meeting,
dates
and
and
see
what
we
can
do,
of
course,
with
they're
all
beyond
zoom,
so
that
if
you
are
traveling,
you
know
you
you
still
be
able
to
participate.
You
just
need
to
have
nooks,
are
about
the
the
the
time
and
find
some
wi-fi.
B
I
was
wondering,
or
I
wanted
to
say,
that
we're
prepared
to
provide
the
paper
binders
that
I
think
the
committee
is
most
committed.
Members
have
liked
using
in
the
past.
Are
there
any
committee
members
that
want
to
opt
out
of
a
paper
binder,
in
which
case
just
let
me
know.
B
Well,
I'm
going
to
be
so.
The
the
deadline
is
a
monday
this
year,
so
wears
before
it's
falling
on
a
friday,
so
I'm
going
to
be
coordinating
with
charles,
but
I
would
think
that
we
would
be
able
to
keep
be
compiling
the
print
binders.
B
I'd
say
two
days
after
they
come
in
they're
we're
not
requiring
people
to
provide
their
own
copies
this
year.
So
we
have
to
make
all
the
copies
and
there's
a
number
of
things
that
charles
needs
to
do
when
the
applications
comes
in,
to
save
them,
digitally
and
organize
them
all,
and
things
like
that.
That
are
really
important
for
him
to
do
first,
but
I
would
think
that
we
would
be
able
to
have
them,
certainly
that
first
week
no
later
than
friday.
A
A
Inside
14
of
our
agenda.
B
B
On
here
it
is
h4
can.
B
So
february
11th
is
your
first
meeting
so
february.
4Th,
I
believe,
is
the
friday
before
that.
I'm
talking
about,
I
would
be
able
to
get
you
the
binders.
No
later
than
february
and
the
first
meeting
we
usually
do
half
of
the
half
of
the
applications,
and
I
would
advocate
for
doing
the
hat
like
the
smaller.
B
You
know.
We
usually
do
two
categories,
so
we
could
do
whatever
is
the
smaller
the
two
categories?
I
think
that
provides
people
more
time
to
to
do
their
review,
but
I
understand
that
the
sooner
we
can
get
you
that
finders,
the
better
and
I'll,
be
working
with
charles
to
do
that.
B
So
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
I
would
advocate
for
doing
the
smaller
two
categories.
The
first
meeting.
To
give
you
more
time
to
read
the
you
know
the
categories
that
have
the
most
applications
or
just
some
balance
in
some
way
to
make
the
the
first
review,
which
you
have
the
least
time
to
prepare
for
more
effective.
A
If
you
know
the
questions
regarding
the
media
schedule,
we'll
move
on
to
the
grant
summary
page
15
of
our
agenda.
A
And
you
will
see
that
if
you
go
down
to
the
very
bottom
that
we
are
above
our
spin
down
ratio
at
this
point.
B
So
I
wanted
to
let
you
all
know
that
as
a
staff
we've
been
speaking
about
how
to
address
this,
and
we
recently
had
a
meeting
for
another
reason
with
our
hud
representatives-
and
we
mentioned
that
this
is
you
know,
an
issue
that
we're
working
on.
I
think
that
nells
will
be
bringing
the
topic
before
iura,
but
I
think
a
reuse
has
asked
for
some
reprogramming
of
the
funds
they
have
and
if
they
receive
that,
that
would
probably
help
quite
a
bit
with
the
spin
down.
B
Another
thing:
that's
slowing
the
spin
down
is
the
jack
gym,
there's
quite
a
lot
of
money
designated
for
that,
but
it's
not
in
a
place
to
move
forward
and
there's
not
much
that
we
can
do
about
that
and
many
of
the
other
organizations
that
are
very
slow
to
be
spending
down
there.
Their
funds,
I
mean
really-
it
is
pandemic.
Related
hud
has
led
our
hud
reps.
Have
let
us
know
that
they
have
heard
no
signals
from
headquarters.
B
That
had
will
be
waiving
the
spend
down
requirement
this
year,
but
they
also
know
the
communities
are
struggling,
I'm
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
them.
With
a
specific
question,
I
spoke
to
historic
ithaca
yesterday.
You
know
one
of
our
three
organizations
that
we
normally
fund
for
job
readiness
and
placement,
and
you
know
they
she
really
just
you
know
she
described
quite
a
few
reasons
why
they've
had
trouble
spending
down
their
money
this
year.
B
They
have
tried
quite
a
few
strategies
to
get
participants
into
their
their
program,
but
they
can't
because
they
have
a
certain
beneficiary
account,
that's
expected
by
us
and
by
hud
they
can't
simply
just
you
know,
voucher
for
the
work
that
they've
done.
B
If
there's
no
placement,
they
have
to
have
the
placement
in
order
to
you
know
to
reach
their
their
goals
so
with
us
and
properly
vouchers.
So
that's
something
I'm
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
hud
about
just
to
ask,
because
I
don't
think
this
is
a
you
know
something
that's
unique
to
ithaca,
I'm
assuming
that
in
all
communities
across
the
us
workforce,
development
programs
are
struggling
so
and
it's
not
just
a
historic
ithaca.
B
B
So
I
think
that
there
are
some
very
real
unavoidable
issues
with
with
the
spend
down
this
year,
but
the
two
biggest
ones,
the
jack
jam
and
the
it's
like
a
reuse
amount
that
hasn't
been
drawn
down
at
all
or
two
that
we're
looking
at
first
to
try
to
problem
solve.
B
They
actually
have
submitted
a
voucher
for
one
in
their
homeowner
rehab.
However,
I
will
say
that
I'm
not
home
on
rehab
their
mortgage
assistance,
cdbg
cv,
which
is
the
funding
that
they're
working
with,
is
not
counted
in
the
spend
out.
Okay,
but
I
know
you're
interested
in
how
they're
making
progress
so.
E
I
have
a
question
just
with
the
data
presentation
on
this
table,
the
first,
the
second
column
on
schedule.
We
have
those
okays
when
you're
just
telling
us
a
couple
projects
that
are
not
okay.
E
So
I
wonder
if
there's
a
way
of
saying
of
changing
that
to
you
know,
delayed
or
I
don't
know
some
some
more
descriptive
than
just
okay,
if
indeed
there
is
a
problem
and
and
the
other,
the
other
question
more
specific
to
what
you
were
saying.
So,
if
g
highlighted
that's
a
big
project,
that's
not
advancing!
E
If
that
project
were
to
advance
with
the
would
we
meet
the
spendout
ratio.
I.
B
E
B
Yeah,
I'm
sorry
I
I
spoke
too
soon
when
I
said
yeah.
If
one
project
were
advanced
that
would
solve
the
problem,
we're
we're
quite
a
bit
over
the
spin
down
right
now,
so
we
need
to
make
progress
on
those
or
find
a
way
to
reprogram
that.
But
you
know
I
with
the
spirit
of
what
you're
saying
describing
to
hud.
You
know
what
the
major
barriers
are.
B
I
think
is
important
and
nels
did
do
that
in
our
recent
meeting
with
them
he
gave
them
the
kind
of
an
overview
of
these
two
big
projects
that
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
move
forward
quickly.
A
And,
given
that
we
I
mean
we
faced
this
issue
before
kind
of
this
time
of
the
year
where
we've
been
over,
but
by
the
deadline,
which
is
what
june
30
you
know,
we've
we've
had
we've
made
progress
and
have
met
the
ratio.
A
G
B
C
B
A
The
grant
summary
nissania's
staff
report.
B
I
thought
you
just
might
like
a
overview
of
you
know
what
kinds
of
projects
we
might
be
receiving
applications
for,
which
is
I
now
every
year
I'm
contacted
by
people
who
discuss
a
project
with
me
who
turn
it
in
don't
turn
it
in
or
turn
in
something
different.
So
with
that
caveat
I
will
say
I
have
spoken
to
quite
a
few
organizations
that
are
looking
at
something
that
will
be
in
the
affordable
housing
category.
B
So
I
have
one
two
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven
eight
potential
projects
in
that
area,
so
one
potential
project,
is
that
we
haven't
seen
in
a
while
and
will
be
from
a
new
player,
would
be
a
homeowner
assistance
project.
B
Catholic
charities
was
looking
at
bringing
forward
another
proposal
besides
security
deposits,
but
they
also
were
balancing
that
with
the
understanding
that
you
know,
superior
security
deposits
are
so
important
for
the
community
that
they
don't
want
to
do
anything
to
that.
Would
jeopardize
that
that
funding.
So
that's
a
balancing,
you
know
question
that
they're
going
through,
in
which
case
you
know
I
often
let
people
know
that
you
know
the
reviewers
generally
ask
what
their
priorities
would
be.
B
If
there's
limited
funds,
so
they
could
go
that
route,
but
one
thing
that
is
very
true,
for
I
would
say
across
the
board,
no
matter
what
agency
you
talk
to
from
the
big
you
know,
well-established,
high-capacity
agencies
to
the
smallest
is
agencies
are
feeling
really
stretched
right
now,
in
terms
of
being
able
to,
you
know,
conceive
of
like
well.
Should
we
do
one
or
two
applications?
You
know
two
might
give
us.
B
You
know
a
you
know
more
of
a
chance,
but
it
might
be
scaled
back
so
that
we
can't
do
it
so
that
calculation,
I
think,
is
one
that's
especially
uncomfortable
this
year.
So
you
know
maybe
people,
maybe
organizations,
will
air
on
the
side
of
you
know
not
doing
more
applications,
but
so
there's
that
we
also
have
I've
spoken
to
four
different
entities
regarding
possible
public
facility
requests.
B
B
You
know
rubric
so
a
lot
of
times.
I
have
to
go
away
and
think
about
it
and
think
about
whether
it's
worth
it
for
them
and
so
on,
but
so
we've
heard
about
you
know
from
from
those
new
folks,
I
haven't
been
hearing
a
lot
from
people
interested
in
public
service
requests.
I
I
do
have
two
two
new
ones
that
I
expect
to
come
in,
but
you
know
I
don't
know
if
that
will
be
significantly
larger
or
smaller
than
what
we
usually
receive.
B
So
that's
kind
of
where
that
stands,
we're
kind
of
getting
to
the
end
of
the
the
the
application
window,
and
so
we
are
getting
a
lot
of
requests.
You
know
with
last
minute
questions
and
so
on
which
I
will
be
answering
some
of
those
when
I
get
off
the
meeting
today,
but
other
than
that,
unless
you
have
any
questions
that
you
want
me
to
address,
I
don't
have
other
things
that
I
thought
you
would
be
interested
in
for
the
staff
report.
B
E
Know
the
there's
going
to
be
a
pedestrian
bridge
built
between
along
the
season
alone,
alignment
over
the
flood
control
channel
right.
So
it's
going
to
connect
the
extension
of
the
cago
waterfront
trail
that
goes
along
floral
lab
and
it
ends
sort
of
as
a
dead
end.
Now
it's
going
to
go
across
across
the
water
there
and
that
that
connection,
I
think,
is
going
to
be
really
critical
to
west
hill
residents.
B
B
E
It's
turning.
What
is
right
now
like
one
of
those
gulp
paths,
you
know
right
now.
People
are
doing
this
and
sort
of
identifying
a
route
which
probably
will
be
the
same
one
and
and
just
formalizing
yeah,
making
a
sidewalk
out
of
it
or
a
path,
and
you
know.
D
B
B
I
I
think
that
hud
would
fund
either,
and
I
will
say
that
the
sidewalks
improvement
district
coordinator
john,
has
been
in
contact
with
us
about
what
and
one
of
the
ideas
has
to
do
with
formalizing
or
creating
sidewalks,
where
there
aren't
from,
for
example,
art
haas
to
the
new
pedestrian
bridge.
So
that's
one
of
the
the
things
that
he's
thinking
of.
B
A
A
All
right,
I
think,
we've
come
to
the
end
of
our
meeting.
I
will
make
a
motion
for
us
to
adjourn
a
second
okay,
all
right,
it's
good,
we'll
assume.
Yes,
I
all
right
folks,
thank
you
and
again,
our
february
meeting
is
when
some
real
work
starts.
This
is
going
to
be
a
lot,
particularly
because
we're
going
to
be
seeing
as
anissa
said,
some
some
new
applicants,
so
you
know
once
we're
not
familiar
with
so
look
forward
to
seeing
it
all
and
anisa.