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A
And
having
done
that
I'll
ask
if
there
are
any
additions
or
deletions
to
the
agenda?
I
know
that
we
have
an
executive
session
item
that
isn't
on
the
agenda.
I
don't
think
is
it?
Oh,
yes,
under
new
business,
of
course,
yes-
and
it
was
at
our
last
agenda
as
well
any
other
additions
or
deletions
to
the
agenda,
kathy
sue,
nells,
no,
okay,
then
any
public
comments.
C
A
D
B
C
A
A
A
A
A
That
delineates,
you
know
our
fiscal
sustainability
and
with
some
projections-
and
in
summary
you
know
the
next
next
couple
of
years,
at
least
through
2023,
look
very
solid.
We
may
be
on
more
shakier
ground
afterwards,
although
we
do
have
a
healthy
non-cdbg
reserve,
which
we
wouldn't
want
to
tap.
But
but
is
there
nails
before
my
rather
very
rough
summary?
B
B
After
that,
we
we,
we
might
hit
some
bumps
in
the
road
if
we
don't
have
increased,
cdbg
and
home
funding.
I
did
attach
to
this.
Was
it
this
memo
or
the
budget?
I
guess
it's
yeah.
It's
this.
This
memo,
two
items
one
is
one
was
an
existential
issue,
one
which
was
this
potential
change
to
an
urbanized
area,
because
we're
only
an
entitlement
community,
because
we
are
the
central
city
of
an
urbanized
area
of
over
50
000..
B
So
is
it
was
very
much
a
relief
to
know
that
the
biden
administration
did
not
accept
the
recommendation
to
change
the
population
from
50
000
to
100
000,
because
we
would
have
been
out
of
the
cdbg
and
hud
entitlement
program.
If
that
were
the
case,
unless
there
were
some
additional
changes,
so
I
want
to
confirm
that
that
did
not
go
through.
There
was
quite
a
bit
of
lobbying
on
that
effort.
Secondly,
attached
to
the
memo
is
a
chart
that
tracks
future
funding
for
the
cdbg
at
home
program.
B
You
know
the
president's
budget,
then
the
house
budget
and
the
senate
budget
and
no
reconciliation
or
final
kind
of
enacted
budget,
so
we're
only
in
part
way
through
the
process,
as
is
true
the
last
I
don't
know
five
or
ten
years,
they
don't
adopt
budgets
on
time
for
the
new
fiscal
year.
So
I
did
highlight
the
two
categories
that
we
watch
closely.
B
The
community
development
fund
includes
the
cdbg
program,
but
it
includes
a
few
other
programs
as
well,
but
that's
essentially
a
cdbg
line
item
on
that
on
that
chart,
that's
highlighted
in
yellow
and
you
can
see
that
the
biden
administration
is
proposing
a
pretty
significant
increase
and
the
house
is
doubling
down
on
that
and
there
seems
to
be
some
strong
agreement
that
the
home
program
should
be
increased
as
well
to
address
the
lack
of
affordable
housing.
So
that's
good
news
if
it
can
get
enacted,
but
we
don't
have
it
enacted.
B
We
always
build
our
budgets
on
last
year's
award,
so
we
know
exactly
how
much
we're
going
to
have
because
it
takes
so
long
for
the
funds
to
flow.
So
really,
when
we're
looking
at
2022
budgets,
that's
really
our
2023
ira
budget.
That
would
be
impacted
by
that
directly.
So
I
think
you
did
identify.
You
know
the
highlights
of
that.
B
B
We
think
we
we
thought
we
could
do
it,
and
I
think
we
are
pretty
much
managing
that
with
some
str
with
some
cracks
and
stresses
around
the
edges
here,
and
one
of
those
stresses
is:
is
the
increase
of
some
accrual
comp
time
and
lack
of
people
taking
vacation
time?
And
the
second
idea
that
came
up
was
a
new
item.
I
added
to
the
agenda:
was
the
possibility
of
trialing
for
some
outside
contractor
minute
taking
services
to
address
a
committee
or
something
you
know.
E
We're
once
again
looking
at
our
funding
sources
and
our
funding
sources
are
all
dependent
on
who's
who's
in
power
in
washington,
and
it's
really
going
to
be
a
squeaker
to
see
if
we
continue
band
20,
21,
20,
22
and
we'll
keep
doing
this
doing
this
dance
all
the
time
I
would.
I
just
want
to
reiterate
what
I
always
say,
which
is
we
need
to
develop
a
methodology
for
local
funding.
E
We
really
need
to
specifically
design
funding
resources,
access,
the
funding
resources,
tapping
the
wealth,
the
money
that's
in
this
community,
whether
it's
some
of
the
banking
programs,
I
believe
teresa
deshear-
has
mentioned.
There
must
be
other
methodologies
in
which
we
can
create
access
to
self-funding
so
that
we
can
fund
things
that
we
truly
want
to
fund
in
this
community.
E
We
are
completely
at
the
whims
of
the
political
winds
and
at
the
the
definitions
and
and
constrictions
given
to
us
from
washington
or
from
new
york
state
ithaca
is
unique.
We
need
to
have
create
our
own
pot
of
money
out
of
the
money,
that's
in
ithaca,
and
so
how
do
we
go
about
doing
that?
This
is
a
when
I
say
it's
a
long-term
question.
I
don't
mean
we
put
it
off
for
another
year
or
two
I
mean:
what's
the
mechanism
we
use
to
create
an
ex
to
create
a
system?
Do
we
create
a
special
committee?
E
Do
we
have
members
from
the
agency?
Do
we
have
members
from
council?
What
do
we
put
together
to
say,
here's,
what
other
communities
have
done
always
go
to
look
to
see
who's
already
invented
the
wheel
where
how
are
other
communities
tapping
their
wealth
as
we
we
say
this
yeah?
We
should
be
doing
that
and
then
we
are
so
loaded
with
work
that
we're
trying
to
do
now.
The
staff
is
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
hold
the
frayed
edges
together.
E
E
A
B
Searching,
I
can
certainly
take
a
look
and
research
that
question
about
what
other
communities
do
talk
to
the
mayor
about
it.
You
know
see
if
there's
some
opportunities
there
I
mean
in
some
respect.
We
did
have
a
special
revenue
source
in
partnership
with
the
city
in
which,
when
we
had
the
loan
with
the
kyuge
green
loan,
they
agreed
to
provide
forty
thousand
dollars
of
the
retainers.
E
E
That's
that's.
How
do
we
shift
resources
within
the
city
right
budget?
I
want
the
money
that's
out
in
the
private
sector
to
invest
in
us
in
a
in
a
fund,
and
we
talked
about
this
I'll
tell
you.
We've
talked
about
it
since
1980,
through
neighborhood
housing
and
everything
else.
It's
we're
not
being
too
swift
about
it.
E
So
I
mean
when
we
get
off
here
I'll
spend
10
15
minutes
googling
to
see
what
there
is
and
and
checking
other
sources
to
see
what
what
have
other
municipalities
done,
because
this
whole
meeting
today
is
about
how
do
we
finance
things?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
get
the
pot
of
make
our
various
parts
of
money
with
all
of
those
strings
and
definitions
work
for
our
local
interests?
That's
what
we're
going
to
talk
about
all
day.
E
B
E
E
A
So
how
do
we
get
more?
How
do
we
become
more
resource
independent
and
there
is?
There
is
a
there?
Are
substantial
resources
locally,
so
I
don't
know
that
I
can
ever
envision
our
being
completely
self-sustaining,
but
certainly
having
a
bigger
share
of
our
revenues
coming
from
our
own
community
and
those
who
are
more
fortunate
and
those
who
are
doing
well
because
of
what
this
community
offers
is
feasible
to
move
the
needle
substantially.
A
So
I
agree,
I
don't
know
what
that
is,
love
to
see
what
your
google
research
figures
out,
but
I
also
would
say
someone
I've
been
really
impressed
with
this.
Luis
aguigara
torres
are
informally
known
as
the
climate
czar
for
the
city
of
ithaca.
He
has
pieced
together
in
a
very
I
think,
kind
of
brilliant,
innovative
way
financing.
For
you
know
some
of
the
big
part
of
the
initiative
that
he's
spearheading
along
with
the
community
and
it's
it
is
outside
funding,
but
it
was
done
in
a
very
creative
way.
A
So
I
I
wouldn't-
and
it
sounds
like
we
have
a
large
hand
in
shaping
how
we
use
it.
So
I
don't
know
that
I
throw
out
the
baby
with
the
bath
water.
I
know
that's
not
what
you're
suggesting,
but
I
think
that
it
is
possible
to
get
outside
funding
and
still
be
able
to
shape
things
locally
as
well,
and
maybe
he's
provided
a
one
model.
We
can
see
how
well
it
works.
A
I
don't
know
nels
if
I'm
mischaracterizing
that,
but
he
did
piece
together
and
I
know
it's
very
focused
on
obviously
on
climate
action
but
in
climate
justice,
but
it
just
tells
me
there
just
the
a
proof
of
concept
that
there
may
be
ways
of
looking
at
financing
and
sources
that
we
haven't
done
before.
Yeah.
B
You
know
kind
of
grow
it
to
scale.
I
guess
so.
It's
also
a
brilliant
at
piecing
together,
nyserda
and
funded
programs
and
international
kind
of
support
in
his
in
in
the
effort
so
yeah.
I
think
you're
right
he's
a
he's,
a
pretty
good
entrepreneur,
public
sector
entrepreneur-
and
maybe
that
is
he
can
you
know
the
approach
that
would
make
a
lot
of
sense
to
explore.
B
A
E
A
A
E
A
E
A
A
A
We
could
talk
about
that
offline
to
see
how
best
to
do
it,
because
again
too,
be
mindful
of
staff
time,
as
you
said,
suits
trying
to
keep
so
much
together,
given
everything
that
they're
they've
got
on
their
plate,
but
I
also
agree
with
you
that
waiting
a
year
from
now
to
continue
this
conversation
given
where
we
might
be
you
know,
administer
given.
Who
knows
what
dc
will
look
like
in
2024,
so
perhaps
mel's
and
I
could
talk
offline
about.
E
C
C
A
B
Question
yeah:
I
can
send
you
some
information
on
that.
I
mean
there's
where
the
ira
is.
A
creation
of
the
state
enumerates
the
powers
of
an
urban
renal
agency,
and
then
we
are
also
constrained
by
we're
a
public
authority,
and
so
we're
constrained
by
the
interpretations
of
what
public
authorities
can
do.
B
So
the
ira
legislation
does
not
authorize
loans.
We
can
only
make
loans
with
funds
that
are
provided
by
other
sources
that
authorize
it.
So
the
distinction
is
between
our
administering,
like
a
federal
fund
or
a
privately
raised
fund,
or
are
we
well,
I
guess
once
it
becomes
ira
funding
monies,
then
it's
not
authorized
to
be
loaned
now
we
can
go
out
and
buy
property
and
then
provide
a
seller
note
to
the
buyer,
like
we've
done
with
inhs
and
that's
authorized,
but
a
straight
loan
is
not
authorized.
B
C
You
know,
even
if
it's
a
year
or
let's
hope
it's
more
than
that-
that
this
funding
comes
through
it.
Might
you
know
it
might
be
worth
just
considering
you
know,
hiring
some
temporary
help
so
that
people
can
take
their
vacations.
That's
a
I
don't
know
who's
hours
at
comp
time
is
that's
a
lot
of
content
and
to
a
crew,
and
when
you
start
occurring
that
kind
of
comp
time,
you
there's
just
no
way
you're
ever
going
to
use
it.
C
C
B
B
Managed
to
not
exceed
80
80
hours
per
year
on
an
average
basis,
and
that's
of
course,
because
we
do
have
peak
times
where
there's
more,
you
know
it's
a
22
hour
a
week
job.
So
there
are
times
the
end
of
year
audit
time
when
there's
a
particular
report
due
to
the
federal
government
where
it
just
you
can't
do
it
in
22
hours,
but
the
desire
of
the
employee
is
not
to
have
a
full-time
job.
So
some
flexibility
in
terms
of
allowing
that
payroll
to
go
up
to
meet
those
peak.
A
B
Would
be
one
approach?
Yeah
pay,
you
know
paying
out
any
number
over
80
hours
would
be
another
way
which
effectively
is
the
same
thing.
You
know
if
we
say
after
80
hours
you
get
paid
out
are
a
couple
of
things
that
that
were
discussed
here
in
this
memo,
but
we
do
think
you
know
really.
The
content
is
pretty
well
managed.
You
know,
that's,
that's
the
only
one
employee
in
that
12
hours
was
a
snapshot
in
time.
I
think
some
of
that
got
used.
B
B
Out
yeah
and
then
the
video
the
vacation
is,
I
think
what
you
alluded
to
kathy
a
function
of
a
lot
of
work,
and
you
know
responsible
workers
who
want
to
hit
deadlines
and
meet
meet.
You
know
and
continue
their
performance,
so
we
may
need
to
really
super
encourage
vacation.
We
do
since
that
time
has
occurred.
E
E
Yeah,
and
so
do,
is
that
what
you
then
contract
out,
as
opposed
to
you
know
kathy,
said,
suggested
10
bringing
somebody
intent.
Is
this
something
that
that
can
be
contracted
with
an
additional
accountant
during
those
those
times
to
do
the
road
tasks
not
to
do
the
massive
reporting
requirements,
because
that
should
be
the
the
expert
who
understands
and
knows
what
they're
doing,
but
is
there
some
way
just
to
supplement
that
staffing
line?
It's.
B
Well,
no,
no!
We
we
could.
I
could
query
the
account.
I
I
tend
to
think
it's
a
difficult.
It's
wonderful,
difficult
to
find
accountants,
especially
if
you
say
well.
I
would
like
you
to
work
one
week,
every
quarter
and
two
weeks
at
the
end
of
the
year
and
then
integrate
that
well
in
a
time
in
a
way
that
doesn't
make
you
know
more
work
for
our
accountant,
especially
in
terms
of
coordination.
B
I
think,
but
you
know
if,
if
the
com
time
grew
to
twice
this
amount,
yes,
that
would
probably
be
the
solution
is
we'd
have
to
you
know:
either
look
for
a
full-time
account
or
bring
in
an
additional
staff.
I
think
she's
willing
to
increase
her
hours
on
a
as
needed
basis.
You
know,
so
it's
not
calm
time.
It's
a
payout
interesting,
it's
kind
of
a
flexible
22
per
hour
22
hours
per
week,
except
for
it
increases
to
35
hours
a
week
for
six
weeks
of
the
year
or
something
like
that
can.
C
That's
illegal,
you
can't
do
that.
It's
illegal
okay,
but
you
can
make
so
I
can't
do
the
math
in
my
head,
but
she's
got
200
hours
of
content
and
she
works
22
hours
a
week
yeah.
So
what?
If
she
worked
28
hours
over
the
course
of
the
year,
knowing
that
some
weeks
she'd
be
working
20
hours
and
some
work
she'd
be
working
32.
B
C
B
But
right
right
there
was,
and
then
we
were
floating
this
other
alternative
ideas
as
in
lieu
of
paying
out
the
comp
increasing
retirement
benefits,
yes,
basically
buying
out
cop
and
converting
that
to
a
I'm
trying
to
think
about.
Where
is
that
legal?
To
do
anything?
The
idea
was
to
in
lieu
of
a
cash
payout
would
be
a
cash
payout
dedicated
to
increasing
the
employer,
sec,
employer
portion
of
employee
retirement
benefits.
B
So
the
the
human
cert,
the
human
resources
policy
suggests,
but
doesn't
mandate
that
comp
time
shouldn't
exceed
80
hours
of
accumulate
80
hours,
so
I
could
say
after
80
hours
you
get
into
cash
and
we
we
don't
allow
to
go
over
80
hours.
If
you
go
over
80
hours,
we'll
pay
it
out.
So
right
now
we're
you
know.
We've
got
a
little
bit
of
a
a
timing
issue.
B
A
D
A
A
A
So
to
me,
the
buyout
portion
of
any
of
those
unfunded
liabilities
in
the
form
of
an
employer
contribution
to
employees
retirement
could
be
a
very
elegant
solution
too,
although
it
doesn't
get
at
it
doesn't
get
at
what
kathy's
saying
too,
which
is
like
this
just
not
not
a
very
healthy,
healthy
situation.
Sure
it's
an
elegant
solution
to
dealing
with
the
hours,
but
working
without
taking
time
off
yeah.
B
B
B
But
with
the
recent
funding
that
we've
received,
we
were
able
to
do
that
and
there's
been
a
few
more.
We
have
a
new
hud
program
manager,
who's,
a
little
more
of
a
stickler
so
requiring
a
little
more
information
and
hud
is
creating
some
little
more
demanding
reporting
requirements
or
just
modify
them
a
little
bit.
So
there
was
just
some
of
it's
a
learning
curve,
but
but
the
vacation
is,
is
it
has
been
endemic
right?
B
B
Whatever
it
takes
to
get
it
done,
we
would
plan
it
to
be
22
hours
on
average,
plus
some
additional
times
that
we've
noticed
are
needed,
so
maybe
it
would
be
an
average
of
28
hours
throughout
the
year
and
then
they
can
manage
how
much
they
want
to
do
it.
We
we
do
have
yeah.
We
could.
I
think
that
would
be
a
work
I
mean
I
could
like
to
explore
that
I
didn't
want
to
move
too
far
till
there
was
a
discussion
here
to
explore,
which
ones
which
approaches
you
thought
were
most
appropriate.
C
That
kind
of
looking
at
what
other
places
are
doing
looking
at
other
policies
that
takes
time
and
it
clearly,
if
you
don't
have
time
to
take
vacation,
you
don't
have
time
to
do
that.
So
that
was
my
thought
about
you
know:
can
you
hire
yeah
temporary
help
for
a
year
or
something
who
might
want
to
get
some
experience
or
you
know,
come
back
to
work
for
a
year?
D
C
B
I'm
leery
to
get
an
employee
in
knowing
that
it's
short
term
and
how
hard
the
market
is
to
find
people
right
now
the
planning
department's
been
recruiting
for
planners
and
hasn't
had
good
luck,
as
has
the
county
and
they've
both
had
to
increase
their
pay
scale
to
get
applicants
or
increase
the
job
title
to
get
the
applicants
that
they
wanted
and
even
then
there
were
relatively
few
applicants
in
the
pool.
So
I
don't
know
how
easy
it
would
be
to
find
somebody
unless
we
know
of
somebody
in
the
area.
B
E
I
think
what
I
hear
now
saying,
though,
is
very
specifically
so
polite
about
saying
it.
I
don't
want
to
have
to
go
through
the
hassle
of
trying
to
hire
someone
new
and
working
into
this
very
small
number
of
people
that
we
have
here.
So
I'm
just
as
long
as
I
understand
now's
what
your
man,
your
management
priorities,
are
you've,
given
us
a
list
of
solutions
possible
solutions.
E
B
E
So
I
mean
you're
the
one
who's
going
to
have
to
be
making
this
work,
and
so
therefore,
frankly,
I'm
very
comfortable
delegating
to
you
a
lot
of
figuring
out.
What's
the
best
thing
that
works
for
the
the
structure
of
your
staffing,
I
believe
in
temps.
I
agree
with
kathy
use
them
for
a
range
of
things,
but
in
your
office,
our
office
situation,
I
can
see
where
that's
difficult
and
and
the
the
suggestion
kathy
made
of
who's
out
there,
who's
retired,
who
wants
to
come
back?
E
C
So
at
some
point-
and
there
there
are
some-
you
know-
maybe
some
things
you
could
do,
my
only
my
only
caution
is,
and
then
we
can
move
on
is
when
you
tie
vacation
into
that
payout
into
retirement
is
is
this
is
just.
I
feel
strongly
that
you
know
that's
an
incentive
kind
of
for
people
not
to
take
their
vacation.
That's
a
good
point.
You
might
want
to
limit
how
much
of
it
just
just
so.
E
Well,
I
agree
that
vacations
are
a
great
concept,
a
great
thing.
There
are
a
range
of
personality
types
and
people
who
absolutely
need
them
to
refresh
replenish.
Then
there's
some
people
who
frankly,
are
not
quite
as
interested
as
much
in
taking
the
vacation,
and
so
we've
got
this
set
pattern
or
yet
this
many
days.
Well,
maybe
somebody
would
really
love
a
whole
lot
more.
They
need
it.
Maybe
somebody
else
really
really
doesn't
so
those
you
know.
E
We've
got
these
inequities
among
the
various
positions,
but
it's
not
necessarily
a
sign
of
the
failure
to
serve
those
employee
needs.
I
agree.
Vacations
are
a
great
thing
and
should
be
taken,
but
not
everybody
needs
or
wants
them
in
the
same
way
or
even
the
same
amount.
They
I
work
is
their
vacation,
their
passion.
To
a
certain
point,
I
understand
burnout
and
all
that,
but
I'm
just
looking
for
greatest
employee
flexibility
to
fit
the
individual
needs
a
very
limited
number
of
people
and
I
I
don't
think
they're
easily
exchangeable
with
other
other
bodies.
B
Yeah
I'm
on
that
list.
Let
let
me
you
know,
take
you
know,
consult
within
cerro
talk
with
the
staff
and
come
back
with
a
recommendation
to
you.
You
know
at
a
future
meeting,
hopefully
the
next
meeting
on
what
makes
sense.
You
know
what
I
think
makes
sense,
and
then
you
have
a
proposal
to
review
and
vet.
A
A
A
You
know,
in
summary,
it
is,
it
does
represent
an
increase
of
3.4
from
the
2021
budget,
although
that
is
also
taking
into
account
a
a
pretty
substantial
one-time,
projected
expense
of
an
appraisal
of
inlet
island
properties,
and
when
you
exclude
that
which,
by
the
way
that
fee,
I
believe,
will
be
reimbursed
on
the
sale
of
that
in
the
island
property
land.
So
when
you
exclude
that,
then
the
increase
proposed
increase
is
about
1.1
percent.
B
Well,
I
do
want
you
to
be
aware
that
this
budget
includes
a
three
percent
increase
for
cpi
increase.
Cpi
is
currently
running
4.4.
You
know
in
a
trailing
12-month
period
that
doesn't
say
what
it's
going
to
be
next
year,
of
course,
and
the
projections
are,
will
it
will
move
closer
to
three
percent
next
year?
Are
the
projections
the
city
csa?
Can
we
we
typically
track
ourselves
with
the
city?
When
I
started
preparing
this
budget,
they
had
not
reached
an
agreement
and
then
just
just
before
I
sent
it
out,
they
did
reach
an
agreement.
B
B
However,
they
got
a
lump
sum
payout
of
2
250,
each
upon
the
signing
to
make
up
for
some
prior
year.
Well,
actually,
2019
was
a
zero
percent
increase
for
them
and
in
the
contract
they
signed.
So
they
got
this
lump
sum
payment,
which
was
better
for
people
at
the
lower
end
of
the
scale,
and
that's
so
good,
for
you
know
people
at
the
higher
end
of
the
scale.
Maybe
it
works
out
to
about
a
three
percent
on
average
increase
in
that
year.
So
that's
where
I
came
up.
D
B
Yeah
and
then
other
than
that
there
were,
you
know
some
pretty
significant
percentage
changes
and
small
line
items
less
legal,
because
we
don't
have
a
complicated
tax,
low-income
housing
tax
credit
project
in
this
next
year
that
we
anticipate-
and
you
know
we
haven't-
really
been
spending
down
some
of
our
furnishings
and
equipment,
budgets
or
travel
budgets,
and
so
I
just
thinking
about
a
potential
leaner
years.
Two
years
from
now.
B
I
want
to
try
to
get
it
in
place
that
not
not
you
know,
just
tighten
it
up
a
little
bit
where
we
don't
have
where
we
can
can't
show
that
we've
been
expanding
funds,
but
keeping
enough
money
in
those
accounts.
So
we
can
still
do
basic.
You
know,
travel
or
replace
a
laptop
computer
or
get
a
new
chair,
those
kind
of
things.
A
Males
and
then
then,
to
just
for
a
quick
question
about
the
non-cdbg
cash
account
in
july.
It
was
it
was
at
about
400,
you
know,
maybe
450
000
or
so,
and
it
seems
like
since
then
it's
grown
to
600
000..
Am
I
correct
about
that?
I
was
just
comparing
the
amount
cited
in
in
the
memo
from
july
with
the
sustainability
outlook
and
hearing
your
summary
for
the
budget.
This
is.
B
Yeah
there
is
actually
you
know,
because
we
do
cash
accounting
at
accrual
accounting.
So
what
happened?
Was
we
sold
the
eastern
section
of
the
parking
garage
for
development
and
most
of
that
goes
back
to
the
city,
but
that
was
a
point
in
time
where
we
could
reimburse
ourselves
for
all
huge
green
expenses
we
incurred
that
we're
holding
on
to
and
had
paid
out
of
the
505
account
the
non-cdbg
account
and
we're
able
to
replenish
ourselves
so
that
that
accounts
for
why
that
went
up
pretty
soon
for
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
yeah.
B
However,
it's
always
care.
You
know,
I
always
caution.
You
know,
since
we're
doing
cash
accounting
if
there
are
other
expenses
that
have
to
come
out
of
that,
it
may
not
be
a
true
unobligated
balance,
but
it's
it's
definitely
something
over
five
hundred
thousand
and
it's
approaching
six
hundred
thousand,
probably
in
an
unobli
balance,.
E
E
A
B
E
B
E
B
B
E
Okay
and
on
legal
expenses,
I'm
asking
a
question
about
the
human
beings
who
we're
paying
that
money
to.
We
talked
about
this,
the
aging
of
our
legal
staff
at
a
previous
meeting
right,
and
not
only
the
aging
but
the
losing
of
local
staff
and
the
need
to
start
recruiting
a
pool
among
the
new
young,
rising
attorneys
who
possibly
may
be
less
expensive.
But
that's
not
the
goal.
E
B
Right,
we
did
send
recently
a
contract
for
her
review,
miss
cornell,
I
can't
remember
an
april
cornell,
that's
a
clothing
line,
the
we
have.
We
have
not
used
them
heavily,
but
we
have
sent
a
couple
of
funny
agreements
to
them,
and
sharon
salemowitz
is
a
newer
attorney
for
and
she's
local,
and
this
january,
I
believe,
is
our
our
rfq
year
to
go
out
and
seek
legal
talent
through
a
competitive
approach,
so
we'll
be
reaching
out
to
locally
to
see.
E
E
But
then
there
are
some
that
you
know:
I'm
not
crazy
about
the
out
of
town.
We
talked
about
that,
but
then
also
I'm
looking
for
an
aggressive,
an
aggressive
mailing,
an
aggressive
search
for
the
remaining
position,
and
where
do
you
go,
I
know
kathy
would
probably
have
some
insights
on
junior
junior
legal
beagles.
Where
do
you
find
them?
How
do
you
outreach
to
them?
How
do
you
find
out
about
them?
E
C
E
Well,
I
thought
that
a
lot
of
startup
young
lawyers
were
not
crazy
about
just
being
the
junior
gopher
or
not
being
properly
appreciated
in
the
larger
firms
that
there
was
some
sense
of
people
wishing
to
be
able
not
necessarily
to
strike
out
on
their
own
but
to
be
a
part
of
smaller
firms.
So
I'm
not
saying
we
have
to
find
a
single
lawyer
practice,
but
rather.
B
B
She
is
indeed
familiar
with
with
municipal
law
and
she
may
be
willing
on
an
independent
basis,
to
be
interested
in
doing
some
ira
work.
So
that's
you
know
that
kind
of
local
person
that
could
hit
the
ground
running
for
a
certain
on
contract
review.
That
was
one
of
her
specialties.
So
there
are
some.
D
B
Out
there,
but-
and
we
know
that
I
don't
know-
if
I
have
the
name
right-
is
it
holstein,
boquet
or
boquet
hosting
they
were
reaching
out
to
us
about
wanting
to
do
work?
They
are
not
particularly
particularly
in
the
same
price
range
as
as
the
other
attorneys
we've
been
working
with,
but
they
know
they
know
urban
renewal
law
and
real
estate
law
as
well.
E
And
does
the
law
school
provide
a
network,
a
place
where
you
can
find
out
who's?
Who
are
the
bright
young
stars
coming
out?
Who
wish
to
stay?
Here
I
mean
certainly
in
the
world
of
theater
and
theater
and
drama,
there's
a
very
strong
network
of
people
coming
out
of
a
school
and
they're
all
closely
tied
into
each
other
and
looking
for
ways
to
find
people.
We
were
successful
at
the
agency
many
years
ago,
trish.
I
can't
remember
trish
norton.
E
B
Yeah
we
can,
we
can
well
we'll
work
to
to
put
out
put
out
the
feelers
as
broadly
as
we
can
to
to
encourage
locals
to
you
know,
submit
proposals
for
us.
You
know,
young
young
graduates
often
come
with
a
pretty
heavy
debt
load
and
they
need
to
figure
out
a
way
to
repay
the
debt
and
working
for
the
ira
is
not
going
to
be
your
model
way
to
do
that.
But
but
if
they
take
out
enough
independent
projects,
then
maybe
they
can
get
there.
B
E
E
Are
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
how
you
get
a
handle
on
that
web
and
that
connected
sense
of
who
knows
who
and
what's
going
on
in
someone's
life?
This
is
a
small
enough
town,
so
I'm
standing
there
who
the
knowledgeable
person
is,
and,
of
course
it
was
the
year
that
we
were
looking
forward
to
sending
out
the
the
rfps
it
has
talked
to
us
about
the
last
this
time
this
topic
came
up.
Okay,
thank
you.
A
I
wrote
that
the
name
of
the
person
who's
based
in
vessel
is
heather
cornell,
five,
five
five
remember
correctly,
that
is
correct,
yeah,
let's
use
points
well
taken.
So
let's
see
what
that
applicant
pool
looks
like
it's
a
very
tough
market
here
locally,
but
personal
networking
and
tapping
that
web
with
those
that
we
know
already
can
help.
So
then,
are
there
any
other
questions
around
the
budget,
because
we
have
a
resolution
here.