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A
B
Here:
okay,
hey
charlie,
yeah,
yeah,
all
good,
perfect,
okay,
so
everybody
is
here.
We
actually
have
not
only
enough
quorum,
but
we
have
a
full
representation
from
the
committee.
So
I'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
3
30
exactly
pretty
much
and
note
that
we
have
laura
lewis
and
george
mcgonagall
from
common
council
as
well.
So
thank
you
both
for
being
here
any
changes,
suggestions
and
deletions,
et
cetera,
no
okay.
Any
public
comment.
I
don't
think
I
don't
see
anybody.
I
don't
know
if
you
have
anything
written,
no.
B
Silence
means
no,
in
this
case,
okay
review
of
meeting
minutes
from
november
10th
welcome
a
motion
to
approve
those
minutes
if
it
is
out
there.
Thank
you
leslie
seconded
charlie,
maybe.
C
B
Yeah,
great
okay,
all
in
favor
of
approving
the
minutes.
Unless
there's
any
amendments-
okay
and
that's
unanimous.
Okay,
great-
we
have
one
main
agenda
item
on
our
agenda
today.
So
it's
a
little
unusual
for
us,
but
I
thought
we'd
just
keep
the
momentum
going
in
looking
at
the
inlet
island
urban
renewal
project.
So
we
heard
in
public
comment
last
week
that
that
the
development
group
that's
joining
us
today
was
going
to
be
interested
in
presenting
their
proposed
plan
for
the
project.
B
We
obviously
saw
steve
flash's
and
his
team's
proposal
in
november,
and
I
think
you've
seen
cause
nell
circulated
by
email,
that
the
ira
decided
to
actually
open,
actually
a
very
specific
rfei
request
for
expressions
of
interest,
so
that
we
made
sure
that
we
publicly
announced
that
we
were
entertaining
offers
for
development
proposals
for
inline
island
so
that
if
any
other
developers
were
interested,
they
also
could
come
forward.
And
so
that
process
is
going
to
go
through
the
end
of
january
and
we
can't
else
just
to
confirm
so
the
end
of
january.
B
B
So
this
is
really
just
to
give
us
a
sense
of
concepts
for
the
inland
island
and
allow
us
to
engage
as
a
committee
with
the
iowa
board
and
with
members
of
common
council
to
get
a
sort
of
sense
of
kind
of
direction
that
might
meet
needs
of
the
city
and
the
ira
before
anybody
else
or
the
development
teams
invest
any
more
significant
time
money
and
effort.
So
so
this
will
be
a
great
discussion.
I'm
sure
today,
on
the
proposal
we
have
in
front
of
us
from
this
team
and
once
the
rfi
is
concluded.
B
We'll
do
that
again.
So
let
me
hand
it
over
to
nells
for
any
other
intros
and
then
we'll
invite
the
development
team.
I
think
as
well.
Yeah.
A
I
just
want
to
update
the
members
that
the
ira
did
take
action
at
its
meeting
at
the
end
of
november
to
rescind
the
preferred
developer
status
for
stephen
flasch,
without
prejudice,
there's
no
bearing
on
the
quality
of
the
project
they
presented,
but
wanted
to
clarify
that
status
after
conferring
with
our
legal
counsel
that
it
would
be.
A
The
best
way
to
go
forward
is
clarify
that
both
at
the
ira
level
and
the
common
council
level,
because
the
county
council
passed
a
similar
resolution,
designating
steve
flash
as
preferred
developer,
so
that
was
adopted
by
the
ira
in
november
and
we'll
be
going
to
the
planning
economic
development
committee
of
the
common
council
in
december
for
the
parallel
resolution.
A
I
think,
if
I'm
not
sure
what
happens
if
one
approves
it
and
the
other
doesn't
but
but
that's
moving
forward,
and
I
think
there
is
a
general
agreement
that
that
would
be
the
best
way
to
clear
the
table.
I
talked
with
steve
flash
and
he's.
He
understands
the
rationale
behind
that.
So
it's
moving
forward
we'll
have
an
open
competition
for
the
best
project.
A
Island
is
the
framework
here
and
I
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
earlier
this
afternoon,
waterfront
alchemy
notified
me
that
there
was
a
small
change
in
the
project
and
they
were
making
some
revisions.
So
they'll
talk
about
that
in
their
proposal,
but
it
involves
the
operator
of
the
hotel
in
the
project.
So
I
think
with
that
we
could
just
turn
it
over
to
lincoln
morris
and
let
him
discuss
the
proposal
which
is
written
up
in
your
packet
as
well.
D
Thank
you,
nells.
Thank
you,
everyone
for
allowing
us
to
present
our
project,
I'm
going
to
address
the
the
the
change
that
was
made
today.
As
you
know,
in
previous
mentions,
we
had
an
alliance
with
the
cambria
hotel
group.
D
There
was
some
there
were
some
difficulties
there
and
we
felt
that
inland
island
in
order
to
be
successful,
had
to
have
a
scalable
hospitality
anchor,
and
so
I
want
to
introduce
and
and
he'll
be
available
for
a
question
later
is
ave
smith
from
the
argos
inn
we
are.
We
are
running
with
the
argos
in
they
are
one
of
the
best
hospitality
instruments
in
in
ithaca.
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
there
avi
runs
something
that
is
is
truly
ethical
and
and
his
concept.
D
What
the
what
he
presented
to
us
is
truly
ithaca,
so
we're
gonna
you'll
hear
more
about
this
later.
We
won't
go
into
specific
detail
about
the
argos,
but
he'll
be
available
for
a
question
afterwards.
Let's
talk
about
the
differences
is
waterfront
alchemy
and
our
group
look
at
inlet
island
as
an
economic
engine.
It
has
this
unique
geography
that
I
guess,
because
it's
an
island,
it's
surrounded
by
water,
and
here
with
that
opportunity
it
has
the
ability
to
support
water-based
businesses
and
be
a
strong
invitation
for
visitors
to
visit
ithaca.
D
I
learned
that
with
our
explorer
ithaca,
puddle,
dockers
and
and
turbo
business
that
it
it
works,
it
is
a
charming
place.
It
has
invitation.
Mark
campanola
proved
it
25
years
ago,
when
he
created
the
most
successful
restaurant
and
one
of
the
most
successful
restaurants
in
the
in
the
finger
lakes
inviting
people
to
come
to
a
barren
wasteland
at
the
tip
of
an
island
peninsula.
In
ithaca
and
since
then,
this
business
has
done
nothing
but
grow.
D
What
we're
hoping
to
do
is
take
the
the
assets
that
are
here.
I
think
it's
and
it's
a
guess
on
my
part-
is
70
of
the
developable
land.
Here
belongs
to
the
city
of
ithaca
and
don't
hold
me
accountable
to
that
percentage.
But
where
you
see
the
red
hash
marks,
these
are
city
lands
and
right
now
they
are
predominantly
supporting
two
things.
D
We
wish
to
change
that
program
to
be
more
of
an
economic
producer
and
because
we
believe
this
is
a
visitor
destination.
We
felt
that
a
hotel
had
a
strong
component
and
anchor
I've
done
an
I've
not
been
involved
with
a
number
of
projects
on.
I
think
it's
waterfront
city
harbor
and
we
having
a
collaborative
partner
that
is
a
a
provider
for
economic
development
like
a
hotel,
helps
you
redevelop
the
waterfront
it's
expensive
to
build
on
this
waterfront.
D
If
we
know
if
you
could
go
to
the
plan,
that
shows
our
overall
concept
here,
the
what
you
see
is
an
orange
box
that
orange
box
is
just
saying
this
is
the
site
we
propose
for
the
hotel.
It
has
some
reasons.
There
are
two
high
tension:
power
poles
to
the
north
and
south
of
it,
we'd
like
to
nestle
the
hotel
between
it,
so
high
tension,
cables,
aren't
draping
outside
the
windows
of
the
hotel
and
it's
a
great
proximity
both
to
the
east
shore
and
west
shore.
D
D
But
if
we
were
to
propose
some
interaction,
here's
a
concept
is
if
we
were
to
have
some
east
side,
waterfront
access
for
the
hotel,
our
tour
boat
dock,
an
event
function
tent.
D
D
D
What
you
look
and
see
on
the
west
side
is,
we
believe,
and
and
it's
a
core
importance-
that
workforce
housing
come
to
ithaca's
waterfront,
what's
unique
about
this
site
and
and
then
our
write-up
in
narrative,
we
we
suggest
this
is
there's
already
a
beautiful
sea
wall.
There
there's
already
the
start
of
the
promenade,
and
if
we
could
apply
these
elements
to
the
workforce
component,
then
some
of
the
costs
that
work
would
be
normally
shared
or
absorbed
into
a
workforce.
D
Housing
project
are
already
there,
it
makes
it
affordable
and
these
amenities
were
paid
for
with
tax,
local
and
state
taxpayer
dollars.
Why
not?
Give
it
back
to
the
workforce
that
paid
them.
This
is
a
great
opportunity
to
bring
workforce
to
inlet
island
and,
with
this
economic
and
tourism
and
visitor,
we
need
this
workforce
close
by
to
these
businesses
noah.
If
you
could
jump
ahead
to
the
synergies.
D
D
All
of
these
businesses
have
a
synergy
when
they're
working
together
and
they
and
and
they
create
very
quickly
an
economic
engine
that
feeds
a
visitor
program,
and
so
what
you
see
here
is
what
we're
proposing.
I
guess
the
big
difference
between
steve's
proposal
and
ours
is
ours
is
about
marina
and
water-based
businesses
and
visitor
tourism.
We
believe
inlet
island
is
a
great
place
to
make
that
happen.
There
are
four
projects
producing
market
rate
housing
on
the
waterfront
right
now.
D
We
we
want
to
propose
workforce
housing.
We
want
to
stay
away
from
the
market
rate
housing,
but
we
want
to
do
tourism
and-
and
that's
what
we're
proposing
here,
if
there's
any
questions,
we'll
open
up
the
questions
or
noah,
are
there
some
stuff
that
you'd
like
to
share
yeah.
E
I
think
it's,
I
think,
if
I
could
just
kind
of
talk
a
little
bit
about
some
of
the
facts
and
figures
of
this
plan,
just
taking
a
step
back,
you
know
the
existing
city
parking
is
about
184
parking
spaces
and
then
boatyard
grill
has
about
43
parking
spaces,
and
I
think
it's
often
kind
of
overlooked
just
how
much
pressure
there
is
on
this
island
for
parking,
and
maybe
it's
not
overlooked.
I
think
people
who
who
generally
park
down
there
visit
boatyard,
grill
or
island
health.
E
I
think
they
understand
those
pressures,
so
it
makes
sense
that
the
city
is
requiring.
I
think
80
parking
spaces
continue
to
remain
public
and
we
fully
recognize
that.
I
think
we
see
that
it
needs
to
be
even
more
than
80
that's
kind
of
generally
available
to
the
public
just
given.
What's
already
there,
I
mean
180
and
it's
already
pretty
well
utilized,
especially
on
busy
busy
evenings
and
so
forth
by
the
boat
yard,
grill.
E
So
adding
that
hospitality
function
and
and
some
more
modest
size
housing
is
going
to
continue
to
add
to
the
pressure
of
that
parking.
But
the
one
thing
I
want
to
point
out,
though,
is
that,
in
order
to
sort
of
understand
and
control
some
of
the
costs
associated
with
any
development,
you
have
to
look
at
what
what
are
the
assets
that
are
already
there
and
when,
like
link
pointed
out,
the
sea
wall
is
already
there.
E
So
if
we
can
sort
of
take
advantage
of
that,
that's
that
is
critical
in
terms
of
helping
with
the
workforce
housing,
but
we
also
have
to
look
at
this
parking.
It's
already
there
right.
So
why
would
we
tear
up
a
parking
lot,
not
to
say
it
sure
it
could
be
improved,
it
can
be
paved.
There
can
be
plantings,
but
the
layout
is
there
the
infrastructure
the
base?
Is
there,
the
infrastructure
is
there.
E
With
parallel
parking,
sidewalks
herbs
street
trees
and
really
develop
that
as
the
the
spine
by
which
you
know
steve,
can
continue
to
develop
on
the
water
side,
the
hotel
can
be
developed
and
it
really
becomes.
You
know
a
city
street,
a
neighborhood
street
that
goes
all
the
way
down
to
what
we're
proposing
is
an
expansion
of
the
boatyard
grills
parking
to
really
formalize
that
and
help
them
out
with
more
parking.
That's
closer
to
the
boatyard
grill,
as
well
as
some
parking
that's
directly
in
front
of
the
hotel.
E
So-
and
I
guess
what
I
want
to
just
point
out-
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
infrastructure.
That's
already
there
and
it's
the
we
know
there
are
serious
costs
associated
with
the
brownfield
with
any
of
these
waterfront
public
benefits
and
improvements
like
the
pier
at
the
at
the
point
that
we're
trying
to
to
incorporate
so
we're
just
looking
for
ways
to
really
simplify
the
footprint
of
these
buildings,
so
that
we
can
to
make
use
of
make
the
most
use
of
what's
already
there.
D
F
Oh
yeah,
I
I've
I
mean
and
knowing
inlet,
island
and
and
and
knowing
the
potential
birds
development
it
just
seems
like
it
should
really
be
a
place.
That
is
for
the
public.
It's
if
it's.
If
it
were
all
residential,
I'm
sure
there
could
be
a
walkway
on
the
water,
but
that
wouldn't
be
nearly
as
inviting
to
ithacans
to
come
there,
but
having
a
having
a
hotel.
F
There
turns
it
into
a
much
more
inviting
space
for
the
for
the
public
and
for
the
people
of
ithaca
to
come
to
you
know
some
of
the
the
the
best
hotels
in
in
new
york
or
a
place
for
the
the
locals
to
go
to
and
to
spend
time
at
hotel
is
the
kind
of
business
that
can
afford
to
have
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
public
space
on
a
lot
of
patio
space.
F
Perhaps
so
anyway,
it's
it's
it's.
It
seems
like
a
hotel
has
really
made
this,
but
not
just
for
the
locals,
but
also
as
a
as
a
something
to
draw
in
more
visitors.
It
is
amazing
how
there's
no
waterfront
hotel
in
ithaca
at
all,
as
opposed
to
most
every
other
major
town
in
the
finger
lakes
area,
and
so
ithaca
really
would
do
well
with
the
waterfront
hotel,
and
it
could
be
quite
a
draw.
E
Link,
if
I
could
just
add
one
more
point
and
not
to
not
to
belabor
the
point
of
the
parking,
but
we
know
that
there
are
pressures
from
various
program
elements
that
we're
adding,
but
as
well
as
what's
already
existing.
I
think.
That's
the
trickiest
part
about
this
project
is
creating
striking
the
right
balance
between
how
many,
how
many
residential
units,
how
many
hotel
rooms
you
know
what?
What
is
the
right
ratio
of
parking
to
new
uses
versus
parking
and
existing
uses?
E
What
like
link
said,
what
was
really
attractive
about
working
with
avi
and
and
argos?
Is
it's
not
as
prescriptive
as
saying
it
has
to
be
a
110
room,
hotel
right?
If,
if
there,
I
feel
like,
there's,
there's
flexibility
there.
You
know
if
we
came
back
to
avi
and
said
well
what
if
we
could
only
fit
80
because
of
the
parking
demand
and
and
other
uses
we
want
to
do.
E
I
think
there's
a
willingness
there
to
sort
of
work
with
us
on
that,
whereas
the
bigger
corporate
hotels
are
pretty
locked
in
in
terms
of
their
their
model
and
they
need
a
certain
amount
of
space
and
they
need
a
certain
number
of
units.
So
I
just
want
to
say
we're
super
excited
about
avi's
participation
in
this
project,
because
it
really
helps
change
that
dynamic.
B
Great
link,
if
there's
nothing
else
from
your
team,
I
think
we
can
open
up
for
questions.
Is
that
good
for
you.
B
Okay,
so
I'll
just
I'll
open
it
up
I'll
invite
questions
either
from
the
committee
or
any
of
the
common
council
members
who
are
here
welcome
cynthia
thanks
for
coming
so
yeah,
just
let's
just
open
it
up
for
questions.
Anyone
want
to
start.
C
D
E
There
are
42
units
plus
or
minus
I
mean
it
hasn't
been
fully
designed,
but
approximately
42
units
they
would
be
all
affordable,
probably
in
the
80
to
100,
and
I
think
it's
120
120
ami,
just
following
some
of
the
the
standards
for
like
green
building
for
the
the
county
funds.
You
know
the
city
county,
I'm
blanking
on
the
name
of
that
fund,
but
you
you
know
yeah.
E
I
think
you
guys
know
what
I
mean,
but
if
we
were
to
target
some
of
that,
you
know,
I
think
it's
30
to
40
000
per
unit.
If
we
were
to
kind
of
fall
into
that
range,
I
believe
it's
80
to
120
ami,
but
it
would
be
all
of
the
units.
C
Okay
and
then
the
other
question
I
had
is
how
many
rooms
is
that
compared
to
the
argos,
I
actually
don't
know
how
many
rooms
the
argos
has.
Targets
has
13
rooms,
oh
okay,
so
quite
a
bit
bigger,
yeah,
okay,.
F
What
I
feel
like
the
argos
that
I,
of
course
I
love
the
argos,
I
feel
like
it's
my
baby
somewhat
and
but
it's
the
idea
of
it
is
somewhat
outgrown
the
limited
capacity
of
the
of
the
space.
That's
there
of
the
beautiful
building.
That's
there.
F
We
put
we
put
so
much
energy
into
our
marketing
and
our
photographs
and
getting
distributed
to
the
online
travel
sites
and
learning
about
the
ithaca
hotel
market
and
what
works
well,
and
we
have
such
a
well-oiled
machine
now
with
running
the
space
that
you
know
with
our
with
our
reservation
system
and
and
the
team
that
we
have,
we
could
be
doing
a
lot
more
than
13
rooms,
so
I've
been
looking
into
ways
to
expand
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
F
Expand
beyond
the
limitations
of
you
know
the
historic
building
that
it's
currently
in,
and
so
you
know
the
argos
is,
is
ready
to
to
do
a
much
bigger
project
and
not
be
limited
by
the
13
rooms.
C
D
So
what
we've
learned
with
waterfront
alchemy
and
the
other
projects
we're
doing
the
outside
investment
interest
in
ithaca
is
significant,
but
what
we're
doing
here
is
we're
creating
business
our
silos
within
this
development,
the
argos
is
itself
a
development
entity.
The
workforce
housing
is
a
development
entity.
The
waterfront
businesses
you'll
see,
there's
steve
flasch
has
his
business
and
the
boatyard
grill,
but
we
have
another
marine
operator
coming
in
from
sodas
who's
part
of
our
project,
grenzler,
friends
or
marine.
D
D
The
predictions
he
has
is
for
about
2.5
to
3
million
dollars
in
boat
sales.
He
carries
brands
that
are
leading
edge,
chaparral
yamaha
robo,
and
he
always
I'm
not
really
up
on
his
pontoon
boat.
But
when
he
saw
this
he
said
this
is
a.
This
is
a
I
want
part
of
this
plan,
but
he
wants
to
create
a
modern
marine
facility
footprint
and
I'll
share.
This
with
you
is
we're
doing
another
development
project,
which
is
the
redevelopment
of
the
encodima
site
on
cliff
street
and
krenzler's
marine
service
entity
is
going
to
head
in
that
direction.
D
We're
going
to
use
this
site
because
the
real
estate
is
very
it's
expensive
and
it's
tight.
The
sales
program
will
be
here.
The
glitz
and
glamour
there'll
be
boats
in
the
water
here,
but
the
actual,
servicing
and
dry
docking
will
be
done
at
the
cliff
street
just
up
the
road
for
there.
So
that's
the
type
of
smart
stuff.
We
need
to
do
move
facil
marine
facilities
that
don't
need
to
be
on
the
island
off
of
it,
so
that
the
other
businesses
can
thrive.
D
So,
with
the
way
we
look
at
the
housing
end
of
it
and
then
I'll,
let
avi
talk
about
he's,
he's
been
financing
hospitality.
The
housing
we
look
at
waterfront
alchemy
would
be
very
interested
in
doing
the
workforce
housing
it's
what
we
do,
we're
doing
a
market
rate
condominium
process
on
the
other
end
of
inlet
island,
but
we
could
also
see
that
some
other
partner
may
want
to
come
in
and
say:
hey
we'd
like
to
be
involved
in
this
housing,
but
is
the?
Is
there
investment
opportunity
here?
Yes,
I've
got.
D
I've
got
investors
that
have
have
been
asking
to
be
part
of
our
waterfront
businesses.
That's
the
thing
about
having
a
vibrant
waterfront.
Now
they
know
about
city
harbor.
They
know
we
all
saw
the
green
stars,
as
has
a
few
hiccups,
but
look
at
what
arnold
reality
did
they
dove
into
ithaca
and
wanted
to
be
on
his
waterfront
is
outside
investment
can
be
channeled
and
put
together
some
projects
you
might
not
normally
see
and
I'll.
Let
avi
speak
about
hotel
financing.
It's
you've
done
it
before.
F
Yeah
and
there's
a
I've
done
it
before
putting
together
argos.
Of
course,
this
is
a
much
bigger
project
and,
as
I
said
for
well
for
quite
a
while
now
I've
been
looking
into
doing
a
a
bigger
hotel
project.
I
have
worked
with
a
a
development
group
in
new
york.
They
actually
wanted
to
buy
the
argos
in
a
couple
years
ago.
F
I
didn't
want
to
sell
that
and
they've
really
been
looking
into
having
a
place
in
ithaca
and
so
I've
sort
of
been
on
the
lookout
to
you
know,
with
with
their
with
their
backing
to
to
to
find
a
good
spot
to
do
a
hotel.
B
For
the
answers,
thank
you,
charlie.
Other
questions.
G
Again
on
the
argos
bobby,
do
you
see
there
be
restaurant
bar
other
sort
of
facilities
within
the
hotel.
F
Oh
yes,
it
wouldn't
really
be
a
hotel
without
it
without
a
bar
argument
and
food
as
well
yeah,
it's
you
know,
I
think,
that's
a
key
part
to
it,
a
key
part
to
having
the
locals
come
there.
F
You
know
it's
it's
a
it's
a
critical
thing
to
not
just
have
it
be
a
hotel
b
for
the
for
the
guests
who
are
visiting
from
out
of
town
but
to
have
locals,
come
there
and
it'll
have
a
yeah
it'll
it'll
have
a
I'm
looking
forward
to
taking
some
of
the
creative
decor
ideas
from
the
argos
and
and
having
more
of
a
almost
like
a
blank
slate
rather
than
being
in
the
historic
building
and
starting
from
scratch,
to
make
a
really
beautiful
space
for
the
public
to
come
to
in
the
bar
restaurant
space.
G
D
Well,
we'll
be
able
to
share
more
what
we
envisioned
in
ithaca
and
it's
already.
There
is
right
now,
puddle
dockers,
jody
denman
took
the
puddle
backers
fleet
from
44
boats
to
110
rental
boats
this
summer
and
put
them
on
the
water.
She
doubled
the
size
of
the
staff
we
launched
from
the
facility
at
waterworks
as
a
pop-up
business,
which
is
right
next
to
kelly's
that
it
was
a
great
facility
and
we
put
a
lot
of
boats
out
there.
Ncaa
competitive
racing
ends
in
may.
The
last
regattas,
I
think,
are
mid-day.
D
It
follows
the
the
calendar
year
of
academics
college
that
water
way
becomes
empty
during
our
biggest
summer
months
and
we
literally
our
kayaks,
were
up
and
down.
If
you
can
picture
at
one
time
a
hundred
kayaks
out
on
our
inlet.
We
filled
that
in
with
kayaks
and
it's
from
june
july
and
all
of
almost
all
the
way
through
august,
there
isn't
a
cup.
D
There
isn't
a
conflict
with
the
college
racing
boats,
but
the
tour
boats
are
going
to
be
a
challenge
but
again
we're
picking
up
we're,
not
they're
not
going
to
be
more
there
overnight.
They're
just
going
to
come
here
for
pickup
from
the
hotel
and
then
leave
and
then
they'll
they'll
do
their
nighttime
bursts
at
various
locations.
But
again
we
don't
see
that
that
we
can
always
navigate
around
the
schedule
of
a
competitive
regatta.
D
G
But
what
about
the
permanent
structures
along
that
control
channel?
Do
you
have
the
what
process
is
there
for
getting
those
approved.
D
When,
when
the
process
goes
on,
we'll
share
with
you
the
facility
that
we
built
at
waterworks,
which
is
one
of
the
best
and
safest
launches,
but
it
is
based
off
a
floating
platform.
In
other
words,
we
take
it
in
and
out
of
the
water
matter
of
fact,
it's
still
in
the
water
right
now,
but
it
comes
out.
It's
a
it's,
a
modular
docking
system
that
can
come
out.
It's
not
permanent
infrastructure.
D
D
So
no,
we
have
a
great
facility
we'll
share
some
pictures
of
that
with
a
lot
of
boats
being
going
through
the
facility.
D
D
All
of
this,
and
I
can't
speak
for
steve
flash,
but
if
we
could
ultimately
come
to
a
goal
where
what
was
done
at
city
harbor
with
the
boat
slips
and
that
a
sea
wall
and
promenade
could
also
be
on
the
east,
we
could
circle
this
whole
island.
With
the
keogh
waterfront
spur
of
the
waterfront
trail.
We
will
not
be
privatizing
any
parts
of
the
waterfront
we
control.
We
want
the
public
and
I
think
ave
feels
the
same
way.
We
want
the
public
there.
E
Well-
and
I'd
also
add-
I
think
you
know
as
an
urban
planner
designer-
I
I
think
it's
critical-
that
we
have
public
streets
with
sidewalk
infrastructure
on
both
sides
of
the
sidewalks.
I
think
that's
a
critical
feature
of
any
healthy
city,
and
you
already
have
the
makings
of
that
with
the
right
of
way
being
a
city
city
street
effectively.
E
Now,
yes,
it's
kind
of
a
mess
right
now,
but
that's
one
of
our
concerns
is
you
know
this
does
not
need
to
be
a
privatized
situation
at
this
point
it
can
continue
to
be
public
right
up
to
the
hotel
entrance
which
allows
you
know.
Steve
can
redevelop
this
side
of
the
street.
This
development
can
happen
on
the
other
side
of
the
street,
but
you
have
sidewalks
on
both
sides
which
will
tie
into
the
city's
sidewalk
network
in
addition
to
waterfront
trail.
E
So
I
think
those
are
really
important
parts
of
this
this
plan
and
that
may
distinguish
it
because
we're
we're
not
asking
for
that
street
to
go
away.
We
want
that
street
it's
important
and
it
also
in
terms
of
the
parking
the
way
it's
arranged
like
I
said
this
parking
is
already
there,
but
who
knows
what
it's
going
to
be
in
the
future?
E
H
Sure
I
I
apologize
right
when
charlie
was
asking
about
the
income
makeup
of
the
housing.
I
lost
my
internet.
If,
if
you
could
just
really
quickly
reprise
that
answer
what
the
income
levels
are
going
to
be
for
the
the
apartments.
H
Okay,
gotcha
thanks.
I
don't
really
have
any
questions.
I
really
like
the
idea
of
having
housing.
That's
at
the
moderate
income
level,
rather
than
the
luxury
level.
I
like
the
idea
that
this
is
not
going
to
become
an
exclusive
enclave,
but
also
that
it's
gonna,
you
know
dramatically
improve
the
the
usage
of
it
because
right
now
we've
got
what
would
be
prime
real
estate.
H
That
is,
you
know,
really
underutilized
and
that's
strangely
the
case
for
a
number
of
waterfront
properties
in
ithaca
that
aren't
optimizing,
public
recreation
or
scenic
usages
or
any
of
those
aspects.
So
I
think
that
your
thought
for
the
public
access
and
the
public
appeal
is
really
great.
You
didn't
talk
about
it
at
all
here,
but
noah.
I
know
your
team
is
very
conscious
of
natural
resources
and
resource
use
as
it
goes
into
construction.
H
D
I'd
like
to
share
one
additional
story
about
the
we
have.
We
introduced
a
new
concept
of
the
little
intimate
dinner
boats
and
we
implemented
one
this
summer.
It
spent
a
lot
of
time
at
the
boatyard
grill
because
of
cobit
and
when
a
boatyard
was
allowed
to
open
the
jody
lee,
we
called
it.
It's
a
18-foot
electric
launch
and
it's
powered
by
electric
battery
power.
D
The
one
thing
I
learned
even
with
kobit
is
that,
in
order
for
me
to
take
dinner
guests-
and
we
use
the
boatyard
grill
to
the
boatyard
grill,
the
boat
had
to
be
on
the
dock
by
two
in
the
afternoon,
because
by
3
30,
every
boat
that
was
coming
to
the
boatyard
grill
for
dinner
was
already
on
the
dock.
We
need
to
change
that.
We
need
to
get
it
so
that
this
this
visitor
entity
can
get
there
and
use
this
transient.
D
Docs
are
really
important
and
mark
said
to
me
mark
campanola,
and
he
goes
he
used
to
laugh
at
me.
He
goes
because
he'd
see
the
jody
lee
being
brought
in
early,
and
I
said
he
goes.
You
have
a
dinner
guest
and
he
says
yes,
we
do
and
I
got
to
be
on
your
dock
because
you
guys
are
supplying
the
dinners,
and
so
I
just
want
it.
D
It's
going
to
be
successful,
the
energy
is
there
and
having
avi
come
on
board
and
embrace
this
type
of
water,
business
and
and
visitor
and
county,
and
I
and
I
can
say
county
because
I
was
born
in
ithaca
and
I'm
proud
to
be
a
county,
but
the
I
see
this
mix
being
both
strongly
for
ithacans
as
well
as
visitors.
So
it's
we're
excited
about
it.
B
Thanks
link
cynthia,
I
think,
had
some
questions
and
because
I
can't
see
everybody
on
the
same
screen
because
we're
sharing
the
screen,
george
and
laura.
Just
let
me
know
if
you
want
to
jump
in
so
cynthia
over
to
you.
I
Thank
you
thanks
for
the
presentation
and
for
allowing
me
to
participate.
You
know
I
really
appreciate
lincoln
the
the
commitment
that
you
have
made
to
making
the
housing
on
the
island
accessible
for
average
ithacans
I
mean
I,
I
really
want
to
tip
my
hat
to
you
to
making
a
commitment
to
100
workforce
housing.
I
This
is
a
challenging
site.
As
you
know,
I
wanted
to
ask
a
couple
questions.
One
is
to
see
if
you've
confirmed
the
canal
court's
setback
requirement
for
the
flood
control
channel.
If
that
is,
I
believe
it's
20
feet
from
the
top
of
the
bank.
I
Nels
would
know
this
very
well
so
make
sure
that
that
has
been
incorporated
and
then
also,
how
do
you
plan
to
address
the
challenges
with
regards
to
the
subsurface
contamination
on
the
site,
I'm
going
to
presume
that
that's
probably
the
strategic
region,
a
reason
that
you
have
commercial
on
the
first
floor
of
housing
in
order
to
create
that
separation
additionally
between
residential
and
the
the
soil
contamination
anyway,
I
just
wanted
to
learn
more
about
that
and
also
I
am
concerned
with,
regards
to
massing.
I
I
believe
that
the
previous
presentation
had
indicated
that
their
housing
would
be
approximately
the
same
height
as
the
island,
health
and
fitness
building
next
door,
which
to
me
actually
is
just
you
know,
very,
very,
very
large,
to
see
additional
buildings
of
that
same
height
is
concerning
to
me,
so
I
did
want
to
learn
more
about
that
in
terms
of
how
big
you
and
or
how
tall
you
think,
these
structures
will
be
okay,.
D
So
I'm
going
to
start
cynthia,
our
team
has
been
meeting
with
the
canal
corporation
on
multiple
projects,
waterworks.
We
had
a
very
long
meeting
with
the
canal
corporation
with
last
week
discussing
the
setbacks.
D
So
we
can
summarize
those
findings,
probably
in
about
a
week
and
a
half
using
waterworks
as
the
model,
maybe
two
weeks
so
we'll
get
back
to
you
on
that
the
contamination,
the
brownfield
site,
it
is
probably
ground,
zero
underneath
the
hotel.
D
We
believe
that
the
you
know
it's
hard
for
us
to
speak
to
it,
because
we
believe
that
current
drilling
and
soil
sampling
needs
to
be
done,
and
then
we
can
address
what
it's
going
to
take
to
mitigate
it.
We
don't
have
that
science
yet,
but
we're
we're
not
going
to
turn
our
back
on
we're
going
to
attack
it
and
as
soon
as
that
is
appropriate
to
invest
resources
to
study
it
we're
going
to
do
it.
D
The
other
thing
that's
sort
of
tied
to
that
cynthia
is,
if
you
remember
in
all
the
presentations
the
us
coast.
Guard
right
now
is
auxiliary,
is
based
on
that
site
and
there's
a
brick
cmu
building
there.
We
are
trying
to
move
that
building
we're
relocate,
we're
reload,
we're
gonna.
We
want
to
take
the
building
out,
but
we
want
the
coast
guard
auxiliary,
to
stay
and
be
the
ground
floor
of
the
north
building.
That's
the
residential,
the
workforce
and
call
it
the
community
waterfront
education
center.
It
can
be
used
as
a
coast
guard.
D
E
Sure
this
is
to
address
the
massing
just
so
you
know,
so
the
project
is
designed
under
the
the
new
zoning.
It's
which
allows
for
five
stories.
However,
we're
not
maxing
out
the
five
stories
for
the
actual
residential,
the
the
the
hotel
would
be
at
five
stories,
and
actually
I
say
it
will
be
at
five
stories
under
our
current
assumptions
but,
like
I
said,
given
the
various
program,
elements
and
pressures
on
parking
and
and
so
forth,
maybe
we
can
get
away
with
four
stories
for
the
hotel.
E
The
residential
portion
at
four
stories,
you
know,
there's
a
couple
of
different
ways
that
you
can
treat
that
you
can
do.
You
could
do
four
stories
where
the
ground
floor
is
commercial,
maybe
with
a
taller,
you
know,
12
feet
florida
floor
or
something
like
that:
a
little
taller
ceiling
on
for
the
commercial
space
and
then
maybe
nine
foot
ceilings
on
the
upper
floors,
and
you
know
the
you
can
do
four
stories
with
a
flat
roof.
E
You
can
do
four
stories
with
a
pitched
roof
on
top
of
that
which
actually
accentuates
how
tall
it
is,
or
you
can
actually
do
some
tricks
where
you
take
that
fourth
story
and
treat
it
more
like
a
penthouse,
that's
maybe
under
the
eaves
of
the
roof,
and
so
it
looks
more
like
a
three-story
building
with
dormers
that
kind
of
give
you
that
extra
living
space
so
there's
things
that
we
can
do
to
play
with
that.
It's
still
early.
E
Obviously,
but
those
are
things
that
we're
going
to
start
given
the
opportunity,
we
would
start
looking
at
the
massing
of
that,
but
in
general,
the
hotel
being
a
larger
structure,
not
as
big
as
island
health,
though
I
mean
even
just
the
footprint
of
it
is
significantly
smaller
than
island
health.
Even
if
the
height
of
it
was
the
same.
I
don't
think
you'd
have
the
same
feeling
of
mass
with
the
hotel
and
then
stepping
down
to
these
two
residential
buildings
kind
of
being
in
a
secondary
position
to
the
hotel.
B
J
Thank
you,
chris
and
thanks
for
inviting
cynthia,
and
I
appreciate
that
I'll
start
with
the
things
I
like.
I
I
like
the
fact
that
noah's
involved
in
this.
I
I
think
he
has
serious
skills
and
he's
flexible,
and
I
like
that,
and
I
like
the
fact
that
we're
talking
to
a
local
hotelier
now
is
it
ari,
avi,
I'm
sorry
avi
and
I
like
the
fact
that
he's
thinking
about
locals
and
that
there's
some
flexibility
now
concerning
the
size
of
the
hotel.
J
I
also
like
the
fact
that
that
link
is
thinking
about
water
and
and
and
nautical
businesses.
These
are
all
good
things
I'll
say
in
the
almost
40
years.
I've
lived
here
and
I've
always
kind
of
gravitated
to
inlet,
island
and
the
west
end
inlet
island
has
always
been
a
place
of
small
local
businesses
and
it
may
seem
underutilized
to
people
who
don't
live
close
by
or
who
have
different
interests.
But
in
my
time
here
it's
always
been
well
utilized.
J
J
I
think
that
would
be
a
real
good
thing
for
for
inlet,
island
sort
of
a
fisherman's
wharf
type
of
atmosphere
where
people
could
walk
from
one
business
to
another
different
or
restaurants
bars
that
type
of
business
that
small
time
local
business
operators
could
could
run.
J
So
I
urge
you
to
think
about
how
that
might
happen,
and
perhaps
that
can
happen
within
this
hotel
idea.
But
overall
I
like
this
better
than
I
did
at
first.
D
George,
this
is
lincoln.
I
want
to
add
some
things.
I
I
so
agree
with
you
about
the
economic
engine
at
waterworks,
and
you
know
that
we
have
the
kayak
retail
shop.
These
businesses
aren't
going
away.
Waterworks
has
three
on
ground
commercials,
they're
small
they're,
not
box,
store
size,
they're,
they're,
900,
1100
square
feet.
D
We
envisioned
that
and
we're
not
talking
about
it
today,
but
from
buffalo
street
into
the
island
that
part
of
the
island.
We
would
love
to
have
these
little
intimate
shops
that
create
that
energy.
That
invites
you
to
stroll
down
and
explore
them
and
to
give
you
an
example,
mickey
roof's,
jewel
box
multiply
that
times.
10.,
that's
the
type
of
thing
we'd
like
to
see
and
mickey's,
I
think,
is
about
950
square
feet
and
again
you
don't
have
to
have
box
store
size
to
do
it.
J
D
D
And
if
you
look
at
the
steel
building,
when
all
the
boats
are
in
racks,
most
of
them
have
been
removed
for
the
winter,
but
it's
a
huge
footprint
and
it
would
wipe
out
all
of
the
parking
and
all
the
green
space
to
have
these
paddle
boats
there.
So
moving
to
on
inlet
island,
where
you
see
the
rental
marina
right,
there
also
gives
gives
it
the
ability
to
move
there
and
expands
the
one
thing
that
we
were
burdened
with
this
summer.
D
When
we
did
the
pop-up
business
is
we
allow
the
public
to
launch
at
puddle
dockers
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
do
that,
so
we
need
to
have
access
so
that
people
aren't
carrying
kayaks
for
a
block
and
a
half
to
get
them
into
the
water,
and
so
this
facility
here
to
have
the
rental
marina
for
kayaks.
It's
better
to
be
on
the
island
and
leave
the
water
taxis
and
the
little
water
shop
at
waterworks.
You
know
we're
we're
going
to
change.
D
J
I'd
just
like
to
add
it,
I
agree
with
noah
that
the
parking
is
going
to
be
a
real
issue
here,
and
I
know
courtyard
grill
and
island
health
and
fitness
use
the
predominance
of
the
parking
but
they're,
not
the
only
businesses
on
the
island,
and
we
need
to
make
sure
that
places
like
kelly's
and
the
dock
and
the
finger
lakes
boating
center
also
have
space.
J
D
I
think
I've
mentioned
to
you
this
once
before
it
was
at
the
open
house
for
steve's
residential
building.
I'm
going
to
say
a
dirty
word
here
for
some
inlet
island
street
and
parking
must
become
paid
parking
because
mark
campanola,
terry
chowsky,
rachel
have
all
been
paying
for
parking
and
a
lot
of
people
don't,
and
I
think
I
should
pay
for
parking.
The
hotel
should
pay
for
parking.
D
It's
it's
got
to
be
fair
and
it
may
be
a
dirty
word,
but
to
maintain
this
infrastructure
and
and
and
a
revenue
to
the
city,
we've
got
to
have
parking
meters.
We've
got
everybody
agrees
to
do
it
downtown
they're,
going
to
agree
to
do
it
here
that
way,
just
a
select
group
of
three
businesses,
because
ireland's
big
or
because
mark
campanola's
big,
that
they
should
pay
for
it
all.
I
don't
agree
with
that.
We
got
to
make
it
I'm
sorry,
but
paid
parking.
D
Well,
they'll
be
vouchers,
bear
in
mind,
you
know
every
business
can
promote
a
voucher
like
they
do
downtown
it's
just
what
I
don't
want
is
I
want
to
keep
this
looking
and
maintained
and,
as
you
know,
maintaining
parking
facilities
in
ithaca
it's
expensive
and
we
want
it
to
always
be
the
best
it
can
be.
K
Thanks
very
much
chris
and
I
appreciate
all
the
questions.
I
appreciate
the
presentation.
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
see
steve
flash's
presentation
a
month
ago
and
to
follow
the
parking
theme.
K
I
do
have
a
question
about
the
residential
buildings
and
if
parking
will
be
available
for
residents
there
before
answering
that
question,
though,
I
was
really
pleased
to
hear
noah's
comment
that
you
know
this
space
that
is
currently
presented,
and
I
know
this
is
very
early
in
the
conceptual
stage,
but
there
could
be
some
other
future
use
of
what
we're
seeing
right
now
as
flat
surface
parking
and
that's,
I
think,
that's
very
positive
to
be
thinking
with
some
degree
of
flexibility.
D
D
That's
the
standard
that
should
be
minimally
accepted,
we're
hoping
noah
and
our
team
that
we
could
drop
it
below
the
one
for
a
requirement,
in
other
words,
but
I
think
you
have
to
allow
at
least
one
for
door,
but
you
know
there's
a
lot
of
workforce
people
that
if
you
give
them
the
ability
to
use
the
waterfront
trail
walk
to
work
is
I
could
see
that
a
car
share
placed
on
inlet
island
could
displace
five
to
six
cars.
K
C
D
Maybe
more,
but
that
would
be
our
goal
and
we
will
be
reached
because
it's
city
lands
having
a
car
share
on
inlet
island
just
makes
an
awful
lot
of
sense,
maybe
more
than
one.
E
E
E
E
Maybe
there
are
permits
for
residents
that
they
could
choose
to
buy
a
space
for
a
year
or
monthly,
or
something
like
that,
but,
generally
speaking,
it's
not
it's
not
a
guarantee
that
it
would
go
with
the
unit,
that's
kind
of
just
our
general
philosophy,
now,
of
course,
that
that
could
change
as
different
partners
get
involved,
but
that's
the
way
I
envision
it
at
this
point.
D
D
B
D
Is
a
way
to
remove
cars
and
utilize
modern
transportation
here,
because
this
young
generation
does
it
so
well.
K
Yeah
yeah,
that's
a
that's
a
great
point
and
I
should
say
I'm
really
so
pleased
to
see
avi's
involvement
in
this
in
this
development
I'll
be
very
excited
to
see
how
it
unfolds
further
thinking
about
transportation
and
multimodal
transportation.
K
E
And
I
just
want
to
point
out,
as,
as
you
know,
then,
the
tcat
bus
runs
right
by
here
on
buffalo
and
what's
beautiful,
about
this
site.
Obviously,
is
that
it's
it's
a
very
easy
walk
and,
of
course,
we're
expanding
the
the
sidewalk
infrastructure
and
everything
to
get
there.
You
know
if
tcat
wanted
to
come
closer,
that's
great,
but
even
if
they
don't,
this
is
really
accessible
to
get
from.
If
you
lived
here
to
get
jump
on,
tcat
go
downtown,
go
to
cornell,
go
to
wegmans,
it's
pretty
easy
to
do,
which
is
great.
K
J
Yeah
just
very
quickly,
I'm
not
muted,
am
I.
C
J
Okay,
a
a
a
reminder-
and
I
I
spoke
with
link
about
this
the
other
day.
J
One
of
the
main
economic
drivers
for
the
west
end
has
always
been
people
who
work
in
ithaca
and
live
west
of
ithaca
or
on
west
hill,
and
so
people
that,
on
their
way
home
from
work,
stop
at
a
restaurant
or
a
bar
or
another
business.
So
those
people
drive,
and
so
we
we
should
be
conscious
of
the
fact
that
we're
gonna
need
more
parking
than
just
for
city
residents.
And
what's
nice
about
these
people?
J
B
Any
other
questions:
let's
see,
yeah
go
ahead.
H
So
this
is
not
a
question
again,
I
I
don't
have
any
questions,
but
I
wanted
to
make
another
comment:
it's
not
about
this
project
specifically,
but
just
a
term
that
was
used
by
most
of
the
folks
in
this
meeting
today
that
I
have
kind
of
a
personal
mission
to
try
to
eliminate
which
is,
namely
workforce
housing-
and
this
committee
has
heard
me
expound
on
this
before.
H
But
I
wanted
to
point
out
two
things:
one
is
that
for
most
people
they
don't
know
what
that
means
and
calling
it
moderate
income,
housing
or
middle
income
housing
might
make
more
sense.
Even
if
you
don't
know
what
the
dollar
figures
are,
at
least
you
get
what
what
the
workforce
is,
but
the
other
thing
that
I
find
a
little
more
problematic
is
it's
got.
This
implication
that
low-income
housing
is
going
to
people
who
aren't
in
the
workforce,
and
that's
not
true
at
all.
H
B
Yeah
leslie
thanks
for
that
not
a
nag
at
all.
It's
just
great
to
have
that
brought
back
again,
and
I
see
that
noah's
already.
Taking
a
few
notes.
There
thanks.
H
B
I
mean
the
only
I'll
only
make
like
two
comments.
One
is,
I
don't
know
how
you
managed
to
like
put
more
uses
and
more
parking
spaces
on
the
island
at
the
same
time.
B
I
so,
I
hope
all
the
math
there
works,
because
that's
not
normally
what
we're
struggling
with
right,
we're
normally
struggling
with
creating
more
things
that
generate
housing
or
economic
development
activity
and
then
trading
off
the
discussion
about
parking,
and
you
know-
and
I
think
george's
last
comments
are
really
apropos
like
you
know,
you
have
commuters,
who
are
going
to
stop
by
here
on
the
way
home.
B
They
need
some
place
to
put
their
car,
even
if
it's
temporarily
and
the
other
thing
that
really
struck
me
that
I've
really
been
thinking
about
is
you
know
george's
suggestion
about
some
strip
of
you,
know,
micro,
retail,
or
something
along
together
boulevard
there.
That's
a
really
intriguing
idea.
I
know
it
might
sacrifice
some
parking
spaces,
but
I
like
that.
B
B
That
is
not
just
a
couple
of
uses,
but
really
starts
to
kind
of
mix
up
the
kinds
of
eclectic
things
that
might
be
down
there
and
be
supported
both
by
the
people
who
are
living
there
and
the
tourists
who
are
using
the
restaurants
and
hotels
and
the
boating
environment
and
so
on.
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that,
because
I
thought
that
was
an
intriguing
suggestion.
I
don't
know
how
it
would
get
squeezed
in
everything
else,
you're
doing
without
losing
232
parking
spaces,
but.
H
Just
a
dovetail
on
that
chris,
it
might
be
worth
talking
to
to
john
guttridge,
or
someone
of
that,
my
you
know
sort
of
mind
frame
because
he's
done
wonders
taking
miniature
spaces
at
press
bay
and
turning
them
into
really
enticing
places
to
be,
and
especially
given
that
you're
going
to
have
a
hotel
crowd
people
looking
for
the
cool
and
the
unique
coming
from
other
areas.
B
Or
the
other
thing
it
could
be
like
to
just
use
the
idea
of
the
floating
infrastructure
you're
talking
about
before
link
you
know
is.
It
could
also
be
that
it's
semi
permanent
infrastructure
that
can
pop
up
things
from
like
may
to
october,
when
you
have
like
peak
outdoor
time
and
more
people
using
the
hotel,
and
so
on
that
there
may
be
some
entrepreneurs
who
are
interested
in
serving
some
kind
of
business.
You
know.
D
Absolutely
the
food
truck
business
when
on
the
street
peta
showed
up
at
mickey
roof
brought
him
in.
He
was
there
for
just
a
few
months.
He
said
I'm
just
going
to
come
for
a
few
months.
He's
there
permanently
now
he's
staying
all
winners
he's,
so
it
will
support
it
and
the
if
you
look
at
from
mickey
roose
through
our
water
works
site,
kelly's
dockside
and
the
building
where
the
dock
is.
That
is
going
to
be
an
amazing
strip
of
real
estate.
D
I
think
you'll
see
the
mickey
roof
site
when
mickey
decides
what
she's
going
to
do
she's
a
strong
retailer.
She,
if
you
talk
to
her
about
anything,
it's
going
to
be
retail
first
floor,
all
the
way
down
through
there's
going
to
again.
The
synergy
is
just
starting
to
grow,
and
I
wanted
to
make
one
last
comment
about
the
parking.
What
you
don't
see
in
here
is
where
finger
lakes
boating
center
is
there's
about
70
parking
spaces
along
there
that
aren't
being
shown,
and
when
I
grew
up.
My
our
family's
first
boat
was
in
that
marina.
D
All
that
parking
along
there
was
for
boat
owners.
There
were
no
boats
stored
on
dry
dock
cradles
there
and
that's
one
of
the
things.
I
can't
tell
steve
what
to
do
with
this
property,
but
there's
70
parking
spaces
there.
That
would
be
more
like
a
city
harbor
model
where
you
park
in
front
of
your
boat
or
the
public
parks,
but
that
would
support
steve's,
marina
as
well,
but
70
parking
spaces
is
a
lot
of
parking
space.
B
Okay,
nells.
A
I
just
had
a
clarification,
yeah
clarification
question
here,
really
is
the
project
you
know
shows
a
lot
of
public
components
park
walkways
dockage
parking
and
I
just
wanted
one
be
clear:
what
your
expectations
are
of
the
city
or
the
ira
to
either.
You
know,
invest
in
that
or
manage
it.
I
just
want
to
get
an
understanding
whether
your
expectations
are
the
city
and
io
play
a
large
role
in
that
or
will
really
be
passive,
we're
selling
you
know
development
sites
and
the
developers
take
it
away
from
there.
D
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
longer
conversation
now,
but
I
think
that
let's
take,
for
example,
the
workforce
housing.
If
the
city
were
to
look
at
an
acquisition
for
a
developer
and
I'm
not
saying
it's
water
for
an
alchemy
and
say:
hey
here's
a
site,
we
want
to
see
that
we
want
to
guarantee
it's
workforce
housing
and
maybe
we
can
change
the
fundamental
dynamics
of
what
it
would
cost
to
live
there.
But
if
the
city
were
to
which
can
control
the
acquisition
cost
there,
you
can
major.
D
You
can
contribute
to
the
success
of
that
project.
We
have
a
brownfield
site
underneath
the
hotel,
and
that
scares
everybody
today.
It
didn't
scare
at
me,
but
I
think
the
cost
of
real
estate,
if
bobby's
going
to
buy
the
site
or
our
development
group
is
going
to
buy
the
site.
We
just
want
the
city
to
be
conscious
that
for
right
now
it's
been
a
brownfield
site
and
a
boat
storage
parking
lot.
D
If
we're
going
to
make
the
jump
to
a
revenue
producing
destination
visitor
hotel,
we're
going
to
look
at
if
it
was
an
acquisition,
we
want
it
to
be
priced
to
promote
that
to
promote
that
from
to
happening,
as
noah
pointed
out
with
the
parking
it's
a
gravel
parking
lot
right
now
and
though
it
isn't
a
complete
eyesore.
I'd
like
to
see
these
tree
islands
defined
and,
and
so
maybe
porous
asphalt,
but
to
improve
its
look.
D
But
again,
I
think
this
could
be
a
long
how
the
city
can
contribute
with
its
costing
exercise
to
promote
development.
There's
more
than
one
developer
here.
There's
a
hotel
developer,
a
housing
developer
of
businesses,
entity
development
from
commercial,
so
we're
willing
to
discuss
all
options.
A
This,
the
second
clarification,
was
regarding
the
finger
lakes
boating
centers,
take
in
and
take
out
the
marine
lift
operation
they
have
there
you've
respected.
You
know
the
property
line
there
in
in
the
project
and
it's
all
on
private
property,
but
I
believe
we've
heard
in
prior
meetings
that
it
requires
some
room
beyond
just
to
take
out.
You
know
the
boat
has
to
go
somewhere
when
it's
taken
out
of
water
going
in
the
water
you
envision.
How
do
you
envision
continuing
that
to
you
know
to
operate
feasibly
in
the
future?
D
If
I
had
a
perfect
storm
now,
I'm
a
marina
guy,
I've
run
two
marinas.
I
know
about
boats.
I
see
this
as
an
encumbrance.
I
believe
that
a
modern,
marina
needs
to
be
born
here.
So
75
percent
of
the
deep
keel
sailboats
that
come
out
of
the
water
here
are
put
on
a
hydraulic,
trailer
and
hauled
over
to
the
state
marina's
parking
lot.
Why
don't
we
take
the
effort?
D
Have
all
the
smaller
boats
under
25
feet,
use
the
state
marina's
launch
facility
and
do
the
same
thing.
City
harbor
did
all
boats
are
dry,
docked
and
winter
stored
in
a
different
site,
steve's
already
doing
it
at
the
state
marina.
It's
just
not
the
it's.
You
know,
as
I
have
water
work,
so
in
the
middle
of
the
fall
there
is
a
travel
left
they'll.
There
could
be
boats
sitting
in
the
middle
of
tiganic
boulevard
for
a
couple
hours
as
they
get
ready
to
stage
and
move
them
again.
I
think
the
marinas.
D
I
love
boats,
I
love
marinas,
but
I
think
we
need
to
really
make
this
a
little
bit
more
efficient
as
a
marine
operation
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
friends
are
reached
out
to
me,
but
I
love
the
ability
to
work
with
steve
to
figure
out
how
we
can
make
all
of
this
work
and
and
use
the
financial
capability
of
us
as
a
as
a
combined
entity
to
make
the
marina
better
and
I'm
going
to
be
frank
with
you
now
stand
in
the
front
of
this
hotel
and
look
to
the
east.
D
B
All
right,
this
is
great,
I'm
glad.
Actually,
we
had
the
time
on
the
agenda
to
give
this
a
full
discussion.
It
was
really
helpful.
Thank
you
all
to
the
development
team
for
really
engaging
with
us
and
laura
cynthia
george
great
to
have
you
guys
here
as
well.
I
think
we
have
just
a
couple
of
other
quick
items
of
business
nails,
and
then
we
can
probably
adjourn
is
that
right.
A
Sorry
about
that
was
that
mute,
yeah,
there's
no
action
item
coming
out
of
this
discussion
and
again
we,
you
know
there'll
be
an
rfei
in
which
we'll
which
you
know
maybe
have
further
projects
come
in,
or
maybe
these
projects
will
be
refined
and
coming
in
in
somewhat
different
shape
than
they
are
currently.
A
The
only
other
thing
on
the
agenda
was
just
an
update
item.
If
you're
ready
for
that.
B
Zoom
life
yeah:
that's
fine
to
do
the
update
item
guests
are
welcome
to
stay
or
leave,
as
you
feel
like
it.
If
you
have
better
things
to
be
doing
with
your
afternoon,
feel
free
to
go,
and
this
obviously
discussion
will
be
continued
and
the
rest
of
us
will
yeah
we'll
take
your
update
item
nels
thanks.
B
A
Yeah,
I'm
trying
to
get
the
rfbi
out
this.
You
know
by
the
end
of
this
week
or
or
advertise
next
week,
so
that
we
can
give
about
a
60-day
time
frame
for
people
to
respond
to
that
again,
it's
for
conceptual
concepts
and
some
additional
information
about
the
development
teams
and
their.
You
know
ability
to
undertake
a
project
like
this,
but
it's
again
and
then
the
next
steps
would
be
to
you
know,
review
those
and
the
ira
would
decide
whether
any
of
those
should
advance
to
the
common
council
for
further
discussion.
A
One
way
for
that
discussion
to
be
framed
is
for
the
city
to
make
a
decision
whether
they
want
to
to
offer
the
property
that
the
city
owns
to
the
ira
for
the
purposes
of
facilitating
a
project.
So
they
could
vote
on
the
the
issue
of
transfer
of
land
subject
to
an
approved,
approved
urban
renewal
project
could
be
the
way
that
the
council
could
give
their
indication
whether
they
support
advancing
with
the
project
that
is
presented
from
the
ira.
A
D
C
A
Yeah,
the
only
update
here
was
just
to
give
you
a
sense
on
where
we
stand
with
our
loans,
and
we
only
we
have
a
number
of
loans
that
have
some
coveted
deferrals
on
them.
Those
have,
for
the
most
part,
been
upheld,
but
we
we
do
it.
We
are
two
months
behind
now
with
the
canopy
hotel,
so
I've
reached
out
to
them
and
asked
for
an
update
on
where
they
stand
and
what
their
plans
are
going
forward.
They're,
two
months
behind
and
then
of
course,
greenstar.
A
One
of
our
larger
loans
recently
is,
is
had
a
furloughing
of
of
several
employees.
We
had
issued
a
loan
for
the
west
end
store
that
was
of
24
job
creations
and
they've
just
announced
17
furloughs.
Some
of
those
are
part-time
and
some
are
full-time,
so
we're
and
actually
about
three
or
four
weeks
ago
we
started
discussing
with
them
whether
they
were
going
to
make
their
one-year
timeline
for
job
creation,
which
they
offered.
Usually
we
offer
two
years
for
job
creation.
A
So,
that's
probably
an
expectation
we'll
be
coming
forward
in
a
future
meeting,
a
request
to
extend
the
time
period
to
hit
their
job
goal
because
they're
clearly
not
going
to
make
it
in
the
short
term.
Here
with
with
covet
issues.
You
know
they
really
do,
focus
a
lot
on
bringing
people
together
to
the
store
and
that's
not
an
easy
thing
to
do.
In
a
covered
environment
where
everybody
is
socially
distancing,
so
their
business
model
has
been
pretty
severely
impacted
outside
of
the
straight
grocery
shopping
kind
of
things
and
they're.
A
You
know
some
of
those
sections
have
really
expanded,
but
they
haven't
had
that
kind
of
gathering
activities
at
the
store,
so
just
want
to
give
you
an
update
that
that
that
they
did
create
17
of
the
24
jobs
at
a
snapshot
in
time,
and
we
will
continue
to
require
quarterly
reporting
until
they
hit
the
24
full-time
equivalent
jobs
just
wanted
to
give
you
an
update
on
where
that
stands.
So
those
probably
an
upcoming
item
in
a
future
month
to
discuss
a
little
more
detail
with
green
star.
A
B
A
B
A
We'll
have
to
see
I'll
double
check
on
that.
This
is
an
early
meeting
in
the
month,
so
we
don't
really
get
all
of
our
loan
materials
until
about
today.
So
I'll,
I
can
give
you
an
update
when
we've
in
the
next
week
on
where
that
stands.
B
Okay,
yeah,
just
if
you
go
or
if
you
get
any
other
news,
obviously
that's
relevant
and
then
we'll
just
take
it
up
at
the
january
meeting.
They
they
just
had
six.
K
A
Yeah,
it's
it's
usually
a
year
from
the
date
of
the
loan.
Wait,
no
it's
a
year
from
the
date
they
open.
So
I
think
with
it's.
It's
not
imminent
to
us.
I
mean
it's
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
but
it's
not
like
it
happened
in
november,
but
again
we
could,
when
they
come
in
for
a
discussion,
we'll
we'll
work
on
that
we
have
routinely
provided
two
years
for
job
creation.
A
B
Very
routine
yeah
they
were
so
bullish
on
the
sales
goals
of
the
new
location
right
and
obviously
the
pandemic
wasn't
on
the
radar
screen,
but
even
without
the
pandemic,
they
were
quite
bullish
on
their
sales
goals.
Right
so.
B
Okay,
any
other
business.
A
No
I've
I've
reached
out
to
the
mayor
to
let
him
know
about
the
list
and
waiting
for
a
response
for
him.
It
usually
takes
a
couple
of
back
and
forth
before
he
get,
I
mean
he's
got
so
many
appointments.
He
makes
that
it's.
I
think
it's
it's
more
getting
the
attention
for
these
appointments.
That's
a
tricky
thing.
I
don't
want
to
reach
out
to
somebody
yet
until
I
know
that
they're
within
the
realm
of
of
a
member
that
you
know
somebody
that
mayor
would
consider
appointing
okay.
B
C
B
A
I
I
believe
the
bylaws
authorize
the
chair
of
the
ira
to
appoint
the
committee
members.
Okay
right,
so
you
see
it
as.
B
The
chair,
okay,
any
other
queries
or
other
business
from
anybody
else,
we'll
just
confirm
then
the
january
date
for
quorum
right.
So
it's
going
to
be
january.
12Th.
B
Everybody
thumbs
up
from
doug,
charlie
leslie's
nodding,
okay,
good,
so
we'll
have
a
full
committee
meeting
at
that
time.
Terrific
all
right!
This
is
our
last
minute
of
2020.
thanks
everybody.
It's
been
a
very
full
year
for
this
committee,
so
I
really
appreciate
all
the
work
that
we
got
done.
Sorry,
we
can't
celebrate
in
person,
but.
I
B
Cookies
but
somewhere
in
2021,
we
will
have
cookies,
we'll
frequent
one
of
our
you
know
supported
businesses,
and
we
will
celebrate
everything
that
we
accomplished
in
this
challenging
year.
I
think.
K
B
You're
here
all
right
see
you
all
nels.
I
still
have
that
that
binder
in
my
office.
B
Buy
your
house
one
day:
okay,.