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All
right,
let's
go
ahead
and
get
excuse
me.
Let's
go
ahead
and
get
started
good
morning.
Everyone
we'll
call
the
meeting
to
order
good
night.
Anyone
waiting
for
a
public
comment:
anissa,
no
okay,.
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So
pretty
straightforward,
the
other,
the
remaining.
D
I
applications
we'll
start
with
housing
which
are
projects
one
through
in
6a
and
then
public.
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D
F
I
was
gonna
say
it
helps
keep
people
in
their
homes,
it
prevents
the
homes
from
getting.
You
know
really
wrecked.
It's
forgivable
after
five.
D
D
Right-
and
I
I
I'm
sorry-
I
did
forget
that
we
did.
I
forgot
to
mention
that
110
auburn
street,
which
is
what
we
had
pre-approved,
and
so
that's
that's
also
part
of
this,
even
though
it
has
been
approved.
So
you
remember,
that's
the
homeowner,
the
for
sale
home
and
I
believe
it's
been
closed
on
and
anissa
can.
Let
us
know
if
that's
correct
or
not,
but
I
believe
it's
been
closed
on
and
we
approved
that
in
january,
when
leslie
ackerman
joined
the
meeting,
and
we
went
over
that.
E
D
E
It
didn't
detect
anything
different
in
the
in
the
application.
F
E
Sometimes
we
do
half
and
half
that's
something
that.
E
Has
recommended
before
as
a
strategy
to
extend
both.
F
E
Yes,
they
I
mean,
I
assume
that
if
they're
asking
they
they've
grappled
with
that
in
the
past,
normally
what
we
do
is
like
there's
a
couple
in
home
and
there's
a
couple
in
cdbg
and
they
kind
of
work
it
around
that
way.
But
I
think,
with
increasing
housing
costs
that
that.
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D
Any
other
questions
concerns
about
this.
This
request.
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Okay,
all
right,
so
it
sounds
as
if
it's
a
yes,
I
mean-
we've
always
approved
this.
I
think,
as
tracy
said,
against
people
in
homes
and
one
of
the
few
projects
that
we
get
each
year,
that
does
get
help
get
people
into
homes,
so
that
usually
has
a
strong
support.
D
Right
right,
which
is
kind
of
what
we
saw
with
110,
auburn,
that
it
was
a
home
that
had
not
had
any
kind
of
work
done
on
it
for
for
several
years,
and
then,
when
it
comes
times
you
know
I
nhs
acquires
it,
and
then
you
face
a
huge
task
of
getting
it
up.
You
know
getting
it
repaired
and
ready
to
sell,
so
it
can
continue
to
be
used
by
family.
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C
D
That's
what
I'm
used
to
so
again,
four
33.
Seventy
five
dollars
again
a
program
we're
pretty
pretty
familiar
with
now
we
do
remember
they
were
having
some
issues.
Last
year,
the
2020
funding.
You
remember
that
laura
lee,
I
think
her
name
is
the
woman
who
runs
the
program
for
inhs,
came
and
talked
to
us
about
how
they
were
trying
to
do
more.
D
Advertising
get
the
word
out
because
they
were
really
behind
on
the
their
spin
down,
and
I
didn't
actually
look
at
last
months
and
look
at
in
terms
of
how
the
spin
down
is
going.
Just
if
you
know
it
is
off
the
top
of
your
head.
Did
they
did
the
pandemic?
Did
last
year
cause
any
any
other
issues.
Did
they
were
they
able.
E
Just
like
every
other
program,
they
re
we
did
that
blanket
extension
for
their
contract,
because
this
is
a
program
where
they're
serving
vulnerable
adults
and
so
especially
during
the
very
early
months
of
the
pendant.
Well
I
mean,
I
would
say
most
of
most
of
2020.
E
You
know
people
weren't
wanting
them
to
come
in
or
come
to
their
door
and
so
on
so
they're
they
are
gonna.
You
know
be
in
that
position
that
they're
still
having
money
to
spend
down,
but
this
is
a
program
that
doesn't
normally
you
know
once
they're
able
to
fully
get
their
people
out
doing
the
repairs.
I
don't
think
that
they'll
have
any
issues,
but
especially
now
that
the
vaccine
is
rolling
out
to.
C
E
D
E
E
D
F
And
it
cuts
through
to
seneca.
D
Is
it
the
that
I
couldn't
tell.
E
Actually,
I
can
look
at
the
drawings
while
you're
talking,
I
knew
last
year
when
I
brought
it
forward,
because
there
was
a
lot
of
talk
about
it
and
unfortunately
I'm
I
don't
remember
right
now.
I
thought
it
was
and
it
it
is
that
configuration
that
was
you
know.
People
were
very
interested
in
last
year,
so
let
me
see
if
I
can
pull
up
the
drawings.
While
you
continue.
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Because
5
10
would
well
it's
not
gimme,
it
may
be
either
the
building
of
where
franco's
is
or
that
that.
C
E
Oh
actually,
it's
the
where
the
holistic
there
was
like
a
holistic,
a
medicine.
Or
do
you
remember
that?
E
Yes,
I'm
forgetting
so
that
business
free
of
life-
something
yes,
that's
exactly
right,
so
that
business
has
has
either
closed
or
moved
and
as
you,
as
you
probably
saw
in
the
application,
they're
planning
on
keeping
the
or
temporary
temporarily
relocating
the
tattoo
business,
and
then
that
will
return.
E
B
E
My
understanding
from
when
they
came
to
talk
with
us
is
that
they
already
do
have
the
bulk
of
their
funding.
I
think
they
have
a
gap,
and
that
was
my
understanding
why
they
were
asking
for
funds
with
us.
Although
on
this
on
their
budget,
it
doesn't
say
that
they
have
it
secured,
so
they,
the
team,
did
speak
about
that.
Their
conversations
with
about
the
litec
tax
credit
with
their
you
know
with
the
agencies
that
they
were
applying
to.
E
Well,
they
have
a
nine
percent
and
they
have
a
four
percent
and
so
the
litec
program,
and
so
the
four
percent
is
usually
easier
to
get.
I
think
I
think
they,
though
it
doesn't,
I'm
not
saying
that
it
specifies
in
here.
I
don't
think
that
they
were
going
for
the
smaller
one.
So.
F
I
think
they
are
too
and
that's
the
thing
where
you
know
everybody
applies
and
just
one
or
so
is
chosen,
so
when
have
they
applied
already,
for
that,
I
forget.
E
F
Okay,
so
they'll
we'll
know
by
when
do
those
respond
about
who,
god.
E
I'm
not
sure
I
will
check
on
that,
for
you
with.
You
know
I'll
check
on
that
internally
after
we
get
off
the
call,
because
my
understanding
was
that
they
yeah
so
according
to
the
application,
they
don't
have
funding
secured,
but
I
had
so.
I
must
have
misunderstood
that
I'll
check
with
I'll
check
with
them,
because.
B
E
E
That
that's
uncommon,
for
for
reviewers
of
the
big
lie
tech
programs
to
like
to
see
the
the
support
of
the
community
level
at
all.
I
don't
remember
this,
I'm
stating
that
specifically
or
in
that
way,
but
I
don't
think
that
means
that
that's
not
true.
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I
would
assume
that
that's
the
reason,
because
it's
such
a
small
is
less
than
half
a
percent
of
the
the
total
budget,
and
perhaps
if,
if
that's
the
only
reason
why
they
need
the
funds,
then
I
think
that
we
could
look
at
that
as.
D
I
think
we
can
consider
that
as
we
adjust
funding.
In
other
words,
if
we
need
to
adjust
this
down,
I'm
pretty
sure
we
will.
You
know
we
could,
I
think,
safely,
assume
that
the
project
will
continue
without
our
small
contribution
or
a
smaller
contribution
from
us.
F
B
F
Like
5
000,
probably
wouldn't
do
it,
but
I
I
hope
it's
better
looking
than
some
of
their
other
buildings.
That's
all
I'm
going
to
say
I
am.
I
haven't
been
that
impressed
with
the
art
house
how
it
looks
on
cherry
cherry
street
and.
F
Sorry
sorry
yeah
yeah
dvd
right,
but
what
what
they
have
built
recently,
I
do
believe
is
that
the
building
that's
on
the
300
block
of
west
seneca,
that's
gold,
colored,
now
yep
and
it
just
looks
not
so
great
to
me.
So
you
know
I
hope
this
is
a
bigger
building.
I
hope
there's
more
care
in
the
design
you
know,
but
it's
going
through
design
reviews
so
good
enough.
F
B
I
think
that
part
of
the
problem
is
getting
affordable,
housing.
It's
not
gonna.
I
mean
I
would
like
to
say
that
it
would
be
as
beautiful
but
they're,
basically
they're,
making
stumpies
and
then
they're
like
here's,
some
colored,
colors
and
and
like
when.
I,
when
I
look
at
this
project,
I'm
like
you
could
put
up
the
ugliest
box
and
there
would
be
affordable
units
on
west
state
street,
which
is
absolutely
how
we
have
to
you
know
fix
up
this
neighborhood,
and
so
I
I'm,
even
though
I
absolutely
love
design
and
I
love
houses.
B
B
F
B
D
Well,
here
comes
all
that
you
know.
I
think
the
one
of
the
primary
thing,
of
course,
is
that
the
bulk
of
these
departments
are
going
to
be
affordable
for
below
60
ami.
D
Good
morning,
thank
you
good
morning,
and
so
I
think
I
that's
the
primary
reason
that
I
support
it.
I
mean
the
design
will
be
seen
and
I
think
from
what
I've
read
in
the
paper,
the
whatever
the
the
city
committee
that
does
the
you
know,
events
the
designs,
they're,
some
tough
people,
so
you
may
get
a
nice
design
out
of
this
planning.
D
E
Inhs
has
done
that
at
different
times
too.
It's
yes,
it's
basically
saying
that
they're
not
going
to
charge
that
to
the
program,
so
they're
kind
of
foregoing
that
to
allow
the
the
project
to
go
forward
with
less
expense.
D
Project
four
another
inhs
project
on
south
plain,
the
500
block,
so
this
is
to
build
a
duplex
for
affordable
families.
I
didn't
get
a
cha.
I
had
wanted
to
go
down
and
take
a
look.
I
know
that
there
is
on
that
block,
I'm
pretty
sure,
there's
an
empty
lot.
That's
been
empty
for
a
long
time.
I
think
that's
right!
That's
where
they're
proposing
this
that's
correct.
D
D
C
F
B
So
I
love
this
project,
but
I
just
want
to
point
out
to
people
that
this
is
two
two
bedroom
houses
and
it's
over
six
hundred
thousand
so
they're
saying
it's
now
three
hundred
thousand
to
build
a
two
bedroom,
one
bathroom
house.
So
it's
it's
just
very
expensive
to
build
really
good.
Looking
things.
D
Right,
but
is
it
I
mean
part
of
it?
Was
it
you're
right
it's
expensive?
A
part
of
this,
too,
is
just
the
current
climate
right
with
material
costs.
Very
high
contractors
are
busy
and
so
therefore
they're
able
to
charge
more
but
regardless,
even
if
it
was
in
a
normal
time.
We
know
that
yeah,
affordable
housing
is
really
expensive.
B
Right,
but
I
was
just
saying
if
you're
praising
the
designs
of
inhs
part
of
it
is
that
they're
spending
premium
box
make
because
I-
and
I
think
the
attitude
is
correct-
you're
making
a
house
that's
going
to
be
there
for
100
years.
You
don't
want
to
look
crappy,
you
want
to
be
fabric
in
the
neighborhood,
that's,
but
it
just
comes
at
a
price.
So
it.
F
F
F
B
F
Well
at
this
point
I
do
feel
like
maybe
we
better
trust
in
the
in
the
board-
that's
going
to
review
the
design
guidelines
and
stuff
and
they
have
been
pretty
tough
on
people,
as
carl
said.
So,
let's
assume
they're
going
to
continue
that.
F
Although
art
house
doesn't
look
that
beautiful,
but
that's
another
choice,
but
it's
not,
but
but
that's
the
other
developer
casino.
D
Okay,
so
back
to
inhs
and
the
duplex.
D
D
All
right
on
to
project
five
and
again
back
into
one
that's
familiar
with
to
us:
the
learning
web,
their
housing
scholarship
program.
D
F
They
have
the
other
funding
sources
and
they
have
a
good
record
of
the
stably
house
after
being
in
the
program
or
within
180
days
of
exit.
So
that's
good,
I
think
before
sometimes
we
have
scaled
this
project
but
yeah
and
have
they
used
all
their
previous
money.
I
forgot.
C
C
E
Decided
to
apply
this
year
because
they
didn't
have
last
year's
funding,
and
so
there
is
a
new
executive
director
here
you
may
remember:
we
called
it
sally.
E
The
deputy
director
was
interim
for
a
while
and
dale
schumacher
was
also
kind
of
brought
back
into
the
fold,
so
I
think,
as
they
go
forward,
they're
going
to
be
you
know
needing
these
again
and
as
a
pandemic
as
the
eviction
moratorium
opens
up
and
and
there's
more
movement
in
the
housing
market,
I'm
not
saying
that
any
of
their
participants
need
to
be
addicted.
Just
that
there's
more
movement.
They
may
have
more
ability
to
to
utilize
these
funds.
C
D
D
When
we
start
talking
about
money,
well,
that's
where
we'll
actually
see
how
much
we
love
them
project,
six
catholic
charities,
security,
deposit.
F
E
Yeah
won't
help
as
many
households,
so,
as
you
saw
in
their
application,
they
said
that
they're
expecting
that,
with
that,
this
2021
funding
would
help
65
households
they've
already
helped
65
so
far
this
year,
but
they
really
feel
like
they're,
seeing
their
applicants
start
off
on
shaky
on
shaky
footing
because
they're
having
to
like
try
to
what
often
happens
if
they
have
to
make
an
agreement
with
the
landlord
to
like
pay,
the
security,
deposit
and
installments,
and
they
feel
like
that's
counter
to
what
they
would
like
to
achieve
with
the
security
deposit,
which
is
like
starting
off
people
on
stable
ground
and
being
able
to
go
forward.
F
I
also
noticed
that
they
have
a
goal
of
70
45
people
will
maintain
their
housing
and
for
2019
20.
They
found
that
92
percent
were
still
in
the
same
location
after
six
months,
so
that
seems
to
be
some
evidence
that
they
are
really
working
toward
that
goal.
E
Yes,
they
did
that.
You
might
recall.
This
is
something
that
you
you
asked
for
last
year,
oar
had
requested
their
own
security
deposits,
and
so
you
had
suggested
that
they
combine
forces
and
that
catholic
charities,
like
the
oar
kind
of
identify
people,
do
some
of
the
leg
work
in
getting
the
paperwork
ready,
refer
them
to
catholic
charities.
Now
again
because
of
the
eviction
moratorium,
they
just
really
started
that
that
portion
of
the
like
the
partnership
portion,
but
according
to
the
application,
it's
been
going
well,
and
I
want
to
continue
it
and.
D
Speaking
of
partnerships,
do
you
know
how
much
they
may
be
collaborating
with
inhs
and
that
rental
assistance,
pot
of
funds.
E
Well,
I
know
that
all
of
the
kind
of
area
service
providers
that
work
around
housing-
you
know
have
said
that
they've
been
referring
people
to
the
inhs
program.
So
you
know
they
all
do
refer
people.
I
don't
know
how
many
of
their
security
deposit
recipients
have
also
received
emergency
rental
assistance,
because
it's
more
my
understanding
is
it's
more
difficult
to
pay
like
a
new
landlord
than
to
pay
one
that's
staying
in
place,
but
that's
something
that
you
could
ask.
E
And
again,
with
all
of
the
I
mean
I
just
want
to
underline,
I
know
you
know
this,
but
with
all
of
the
housing-related
projects,
I'm
not
saying
because
of
the
eviction
moratorium,
there's
just
less
people
moving
around
in
the
community,
not
that
everybody
needs.
You
know
not
that
the
participants
need
to
be
evicted,
but
so
there's
less
open
units.
There's
less
units
to
see
things
like
that.
So
there's
just
been
a
lot
less
movement
in
housing
in
the
last
now
year,
since
it's
since
then,
since
the
pandemic
started
yeah
more
than.
E
D
Not
an
anniversary,
we
necessarily
want
to
celebrate
okay,
the
so
this
was
in
two
parts:
the
the
rental
assistance,
the
74
000
and
then
the
the
2500
to
go
towards
staffing.
Is
that
because
of
the
different
pots
of
money.
E
Only
intermittently
have
they
gotten
funding
to
administer
the
program,
but
it
does
require
a
lot
of
legwork
on
there
on
their
part
and
when
they're
working
with
partners,
especially
so
they
had
asked
us
how
to
go
about
requesting
some
money
for
staffing,
so
we
asked
them
to
put
it
in
the
same
application,
so
they
didn't
have
to
do
two
with
the
you
know
and
just
to
acknowledge
that
when
they're
working
with
housing,
I'm
sorry
with
housing
for
school
success
and
oar
they
do.
E
You
know
there
is
a,
I
think,
a
higher
level
of
work,
that's
necessary.
Although
security
deposits
in
general,
I
mean
it's
pretty
intensive
work
to
get
somebody
set
up
with
the
security
deposit
and
they
don't
they
don't
normally
get
any
money
for
staffing.
For
that.
So
I
think
this
is.
You
know
they'd
like
to
be
able
to
offset
their
costs
a
little
bit,
but
at
2500
it's
not
that
much.
E
C
D
Okay,
so
that's
project
six
and
six,
a
were
the
last
under
the
the
housing,
and
so
the
final
excuse
me,
the
final
category,
starting
with
project
number
11
public.
E
I
don't
want
to
interrupt,
but
I
did
want
to
let
you
know
that
I've
I've
looked
up
on
the
grant
summary
since
you
had
asked
who,
how
things
are
being
spent
down.
Small
repair
has
spent
73
of
their
2019
funding.
Remember
the
2019
year
was
the
year
that
everybody
got
the
extensions
till
june
of
this
year
june
30th.
So
there
is
73
spent
down
homeowner
rehab
2019.
E
I
believe
they
have
not.
They
have
been
working
on
various
homes
because
I've
done
several
environmentals
for
them,
but
they
haven't
vouchered
for
those
yet
so
it
shows
zero,
but
they
are
moving
on
that
project,
and
I
can
that
might
be
a
good
question
asked
literally
where
they
are
on
their
2019,
because
my
understanding
is
that
I
think
all
of
them
are
underway.
E
F
Can
I
ask
a
question
about
that,
one:
how
could
they
not
be
spending
it
if
they
still
have
the
the
people
in
their
housing
in
the
housing?
How.
E
E
So
I
mean
that
could
be
a
that's
that's
a
question
for
them.
I
think
perhaps
because
wherever
the
the
youth
were
staying
they
weren't
leaving.
I
mean
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
that
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
the
landlord
that
had
other
people
in
units
that
were
paying
that,
so
there
wasn't
a
freed
up
unit
in
in
the
uni
in
the
buildings
that
they
usually
have
an
agreement
with
their
landlords.
So
if
you'd
like,
I
can
reach
out
to
daniela
the
new
executive
director
and
assad
in
advance,
does
that.
B
Happening
one
thing
that
happened
this
year
was
landlords
tried
to
make
like
they
have
the
leases
run,
I'm
not
renewing
and
they
try
to
make
a
contract
with
a
new
tenant,
but
then
the
pandemic
hits
and
the
people
just
don't
go
anywhere,
so
they
basically
you
know
because
they
now
have
the
right
to
stay
over
and
they're,
not
moving
because
of
the
pandemic,
so
it
voided
the
new
contracts.
So
there
was
a
lot
of
stuff
that
nobody
knew
what
to
do
with.
E
Deal
odd,
I
can
reach
out
to
find
out
more
about
the
mechanics
of
that,
because
I'm
assuming
that
some
people
that
they
had
already
placed
are
staying
longer,
but
then
some
of
the
units
they
didn't
have
somebody
move
in.
So
they
haven't
been
expending
money
on
the
total
amount
that
they
normally
help,
which
is
eight
people
with
our
with.
B
Our
funds,
so
maybe
they're
only
paying
for
maybe
they're
not
paying,
because
if
they
lost
their
income
they
don't
have
to
pay
there.
I
mean
there
are
lots
of
people
who
are
just
not
paying
landlords
now,
but
you
would
think
if
this
people
were
involved
at
all.
That
would
not
be
the
case,
so
so
yeah.
I
think
we
would.
We
should
find
out.
B
D
So
yeah
it's
a
question
anissa
that
denelia,
I
think
it's
her
name's
pronounced.
I
should
be
prepared
to
to
answer.
D
Okay,
all
right
on
to
project
11,
the
community
gardens
they're
back
again,
we
partially
funded
them
last
time.
It
looks
like
some
of
this
funds
or
some
of
this
money,
or
some
of
the
requested
for
funding
this
year
also
covers
some
things.
We
did
not
fund
last
year
like
the
security
and
sound
dampening
fences,
etc.
F
E
D
Okay,
so
if
I
understand
what
tracy
was
asking,
we
would
ask
project
growing
hope
to
prioritize
this
list,
so
they
were
they're.
Saying
that
our
fund
is
funds
would
pay
for
five
things.
D
E
Overall,
just
in
case
you're
wondering
last
year,
they
asked
for
fifty
four
thousand
nine
hundred
and
fifty
dollars
and
you
gave
them
25
150.
E
E
C
F
E
A
D
And
I
had
a
question
about
the
number
of
families
served,
so
it
says
that
they
serve
150
families.
It
certainly
doesn't
look
that
large
of
a
a
plot
area
to
me,
so
perhaps
more
than
one
family
shares
a
plot,
or
do
you
have
an
idea
how
that
works?
I
mean
it
just
does
not
look
that
large
to
me.
E
My
understanding
was
no
that
they
all
had
their
own
plots
and
historically,
I
thought
that
that
they,
I
thought
they
were
continuing
to
serve
the
same
amount
as
what
they
served
in
the
past.
I
didn't
want
to
be
losing
any.
A
D
Okay,
so
we're
gonna,
ask
or
nisa
is
gonna.
Ask
them
to
can
let
us
know
what
their
priorities
are
for
the
five
items
they're
requesting,
and
then
we
will
most
likely
have
to
scale
this,
as
we
did
last
year,.
B
D
D
So
this
is
a
yes
or
a,
maybe
yes,
slash,
maybe.
D
So
let's
say
yes,
probably
with
some
some
reductions:
okay,.
D
All
right
project
number
12
excuse
me:
project
number,
12,
tcat,
more
bus,
stop
upgrades,
bulletproof,
glass.
E
Go
ahead,
I'm
sorry,
I
didn't
mean
to
interrupt
you.
I
just
wanted
to
say
in
in
the
past,
they've
been
very
amenable
to
scaling,
but
your
other
point
is
also
correct,
tracy
that
they
try
to
buy
everything
at
once.
So
yeah.
C
E
They
have
not
applied
since
they
didn't
apply
in
2020
or
2019..
I
look
back
to
see
when
their
last
application
was
and
it
was
actually
2018.
E
Know
what
you're
right
they
usually
they
it
seems
like
they
forgot
to
or
that.
So
this
is
cdbg
funding,
but
it
seems
like
they
did
not
put
in
what
specifically
they
wanted
to
to
use
the
funds
for
and
how
much
the
item
cost
was
because
if.
D
On
the
first
page,
it
says
to
purchase
solar
lights
plus
any
and
all
peripherals
to
complete
installation
of
said
lights.
So.
A
B
And
by
signage,
is
it
those
like
telling
you
when
the
bus
is
coming
and
all
that
stuff
or
I
wanted
to.
E
Know
that
too,
I
would
I
mean
honestly.
I
was
a
little
bit
confused
by
the
application,
because
I
think
what
they're
saying
in
the
application.
They
use
the
example
of
the
stop
at
the
salvation
army,
which
is
where
they
did
put
solar
lighting
in,
but
then
for
some
reason.
I
I
think
that
they
were
trying
to
use
that
as
an
example.
E
But
then
I
was
confused.
I
wondered
if
they
somehow
needed
to
augment
that.
But
yes,
I
would
have
liked
to
know
or
if
they're
talking
about
that
same
electronic
live
lighting
or
signage,
I
mean
or
something
else.
B
Because
I
actually
think
that
is
great,
I
because
everyone
does
it
with
their
phone
now,
but
if
you're,
not
a
really
savvy
person
just
to
have
the
sign
tell
you,
the
buses
will
be
here
in
four
minutes
or
whatever
you
know
and
then
tell
you
the
route
and
all
that,
I
think,
is
great.
F
F
F
D
So
one
of
the
questions
I
guess
I'll
have
for
them
is
it's
one
of
the
first
stops
that
came
to
my
mind,
is
the
security
of
these.
You
know
if
they're
kind
of
self-contained
solar
lights
that
seem
to
make
them
a
tempting
for
theft
right
if
you
can
just
grab
what
you
need
for
your
house
just.
C
D
C
F
E
E
Yeah,
I
mean
they
did
install
lights.
E
D
Installed
so
this
one
seems
to
have
our
support:
no,
it
does
appear
to
be
scalable
right
because
it
is
just
for
the
lights
and
then
the
the
related
equipment
needed
to
install
the
lights,
and
we
have
the
specific
sites
listed.
D
C
C
D
All
right,
the
next
is
project
13
renovations
of
the
gym
at
west
jack,
the
city,
the
gx
gym
now.
D
The
former
immaculate
conception
gym.
D
D
I
believe
their
goal
for
the
price,
so
you
can
see
they
have
on
their
budget
they've
gotten
almost
five
hundred
and
twelve
thousand
dollars
in
private
campaign
donations
and
they
lost
another
225
224
000
to
raise-
and
I
thought
their
goal
for
the
campaign
was
a
million
dollars.
So
maybe
they've
scaled.
That.
E
D
E
I
remember
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
they
challenged
their
various
departments
to
do
you
know
fundraising
in
the
community
and
they
have.
This
is
what
I
remember
loving
speaking
of
and
that
they
had
raised
quite
a
lot.
I
wonder
if,
because
of
the
pandemic,
you
know
that
approach
they
didn't
feel
like
would
work
as
well,
since
community
members
might,
you
know,
be
having
more
financial
difficulty,
I'm
not
sure.
D
A
E
D
They
do
note
in
the
application
that
construction
costs
have
gone
up
significantly.
Oh
yeah,
which
is
something
we've
heard
from
others.
A
It
you
know
every
area
faces
these
things.
A
A
Nobody
else
gets
anything
and
it
it's.
You
know
we
had
a
similar
thing
in
transportation.
We
had
that
the
bridge
and
glancing
that's
being
replaced.
Now
it's
a
20
million
dollar
project.
That's
that's!
That's
two
years
worth
of
every
other
construction
project.
A
C
A
F
F
A
few
years
ago,
when
gx
did
the
major
building
renovation.
D
F
A
F
C
F
And
they're
also
going
to
be,
you
know,
the
big
developments
that
are
coming
on
state
street
and
seneca
street
are
very
close
to
this.
So
I
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
a
very
important
project.
I
don't
know
how
much
we
should
fund
it
by
and
I
don't
know
how
far
they
are
and
actually,
as
you
said,
fernando
getting
all
the
estimates
together
so
to
speak,
and
that
unsecured
funding
is
a
big
chunk.
I
mean
even
asking
us
for
a.
C
F
Know
whether
this
is
a
project
that
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
to
fund
a
piece,
I
think
we
talked
before
about
some
of
the
planning
money,
but
I
don't
know.
E
Yeah
yeah,
and
I
think
yes,
I
think
that
last
year
there
were
some
other.
E
F
E
You
know,
as
you
know,
cdbg
cv
funds
were
used
to
fund
other
things
that
the
city
wouldn't
be
able
to
fund
right.
So
I
don't
think
that
they're
going
to
have
the
city
would
really
be
able
to
make
that
match
at
this
time.
E
E
B
E
Well,
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
they
I
don't
know
if
jack
has
worked
with
sassy
before
or
knows
that
barbara.
C
E
In
the
office,
you
could
tell
them
that
no,
I
could
definitely
but
yeah.
I
think
this,
you
know
our
funding
would
obviously
be
available.
Much
sooner
than
jasmine
would
be
in
in
our
experience,
but.
E
Sure
my
understanding
with
the
dazny
funds
is
what's
really
complicated
about.
It
is
that
they
have
like
they
have
like
two
sets
of
architects
and
engineers
that
are
working
on
these
things,
and
they
kind
of
don't
seem
to
communicate
very
well
and
like
one
has
to
drop
the
plans
and
the
other
one
has
to
approve
the
plans.
And
so
they
just.
A
F
The
other
question
I
had
about
now
is:
there
was
expected
to
be
more
hud
money
coming
our
way
that
we
talked
about
at
the
last
meeting
and
there
was
home
was
there
cdbg?
Also.
E
Funds
for
the
first
time
you
know
they
haven't
released
any
home
phones
related
to
the
pandemic
until.
E
F
A
And
then
they're
fundraising,
I
guess
capital
campaign
donations
just
wondering
what
they're
looking
at
this
seems
like
a
really
nice
project
for
some
very
deep
pocket
to
say
you
know,
name
it
after
me,
kind
of
thing
you
know
using
the
sort
of
cornell
strategies
you
know
I
find
it
it's
I
mean
it's
going
to
be
a
nice
flagship
facility.
A
It's
going
to
have
each
community
input
impact
and
I
don't
know
I
wonder
if
there's
something
because
at
the
same
time
I
look
at
the
money
and
for
all
that
they're
big
for
our
project
and
for
the
money
we
have.
And
you
know
this
is
a
two
million
dollar
project:
it's
not
500
million.
It's
really.
A
It
just
seems
like
maybe
they
could,
they
could
find.
C
E
Try
to
name
it
after
or
you
know,
gi
could
also
propose
to
a
funder
that
they
name
it
after
somebody
important
in
the
community,
but
I
think
what
the
information
that
seems
like
what
you're
wanting
is:
what
is
their
strategy
for
attaining
those
other
grants
who
have
they
talked
to?
E
B
E
Seems
like
what
that
was
voicing
was
we
understand
the
need
for
the
community
members
to
be
able
to
access.
You
know,
recreation
during
the
pandemic,
of
course,
but
it
seems
like
there
might
have
been
some
relationships
there
that
you
know
could
be.
You
know
revisited.
D
E
D
Came
from
you
know
one
source,
so
we
don't
know
all
we
can
do
is
speculate.
I
think
what
we
can
do
is
as
we
you
know
start
then,
in
the
next
phase
of
this
process.
As
we
start
to
talk
about
the
money,
as
tracy
indicated,
you
know
we
will
have
to
prioritize
that
we
may
decide
that
g
is
a
priority.
Now
we
may
not
be
able
to
give
them
the
400
000,
but
you
know
perhaps
we
can
come
in
at
200
000.
D
F
And
I
think
that
it
would
be
good
to
have
more
information
from
them
on,
especially
that
900
000
desired,
that
that's
what
you
were
talking
about
fernando
correct.
D
D
Okay
and
then
the
the
final
project
for
the
discussion
is
project
17,
which
is
the
st
john's
and
doing
some
work
on
the
shelter.
E
D
Right
is
that's
the
way
it
does,
okay,
which
will
expand
their
capacity.
Then
the
house,
people,
and
presumably,
if
they
own
the
space
money,
will
be
saved
in
the
long
run
on
those
nights
with
you
know,
from
paying
rent
to
hotels
when
it's,
what
do
they
call
when
it's
mandated
that
people
be
provided
shelter
when
it's
below?
Oh.
B
E
Okay,
so
that
was
a
what
they
sent
back.
It
sounds
to
me.
We
asked:
will
the
shelter
rooms
and
premier
supportive
housing
be
in
the
same
hotel?
Rich
said?
Yes,
although
on
different
floors
with
key
cards
and
clear
separation.
B
So
they
haven't
they'll
have
enough
units
that
they
can
do
that
and
do
the
other
got
it.
That's
that's
what
their
plan.
F
E
You
know
that's
so
it
says
there
is
access
to
a
shared
kitchen
and
within
the
rooms
they
can
keep
microwave
small
refrigerators
and
some
unopened
food.
E
E
He
well,
he
didn't
elaborate
on.
Are
they
going
to
be
building
a
kitchen
and
that's
yeah.
B
E
Well-
and
it's
also
unclear
to
me:
does
that
mean
that
the
shelter
people
staying
in
the
shelter
and
people
in
the
permanent,
supportive
housing
all
share
the
same
kitchen
that
that
was
a
little
unclear
to
me,
because
I
think
the
movement
in
the
permanent
support
of
housing
world
has
been
more
towards
providing
kitchenettes
when
it's
possible
and
so
that
that's
kind
of
a
scant
answer
right.
F
D
Yeah
was
it
yeah,
that's
what
I
was
just
thinking
across
from
from
maguire
and
wegmans.
B
Yeah
there's
a
string
of
them
along
there.
There
are
the
cheap
hotels
they're,
the
ones
that
take.
F
F
But
yeah
I
mean.
C
F
Well,
whatever
so,
the
other
question
is:
if,
if
you're
in
a
shelter
room
there
and
how
does
it
break
up,
they
said
60
rooms
or
something
like
that
so
60
beds?
F
How
does
that
split
between
the
two
and
are
people
in
a
shelter
allowed
to
stay
there
during
the
day
and
how
are
there
rules
for
the
shelter?
Are
there
rules
for
the
permanent
support
of
housing?
If
people
have
a
substance
issue,
are
they
allowed
to
continue
with
it
there
or
not?
I
mean
there's
been
issues
I
think,
sometimes
with
the
shelter,
because
of
that
and.
E
So
I
think
some
of
those
questions,
tracy,
I
think,
would
be
great
for
public
hearing
like
what
their
programming
plan
is.
We
did
I
did
for
the
question
about
the
staffing
pattern
and
he
said
we
will
continue
with
the
staff
with
a
combination
of
case
managers,
art,
therapist
supervision
and
direct
care
staff.
We
will
also
have
security
and
maintenance
doesn't
say
how
many
he
doesn't
say
what
split
might
be
between
permanent,
supportive
housing
and
shelter.
E
He
doesn't
talk
about
how
the
programming
will
be
different
if
it
will
be
or
if
there
will
be
programming
for
the
premise
support
of
housing.
So
I
don't
think
that
there's
the
level
of
detail
that
you
are
looking
for.
D
A
For
a
big
project
that
I
I
like
to
see,
you
know
what
is
their
business
plan?
I
know
they
have
this
strategy
they're
going
to
at
least
for
three
years
and
then
buy
it,
but.
C
F
F
E
Yeah,
that's
unclear,
I
am
sending
you
I'll
I'll
go
ahead
and
forward
you.
The
responses
that
I
received
from
him.
E
And
I
do
want
to
say
that
we've
done
some
preliminary
research
and
leasing
long-term
leasing
is
considered
a
compliance
use
of
funds.
However,
it
will
be
have
to
be
much
longer
than
what
they
indicate.
E
So
you
know
nelson-
and
I
have
talked
about
about
a
few
different
strategies,
but
you
know
might
need
to
be
structured
as
a
so
a
head
specifically
says
15
years
or
more
as
a
long-term
lease
so
might
need
to
be
structured
in
that
way
so
and
they
paid
off
sooner.
It
might
need
to
be
structured
as
a
you
know,
acquisition
that
takes
three
years.
Something
like
that,
but
it
can't
just
be
you
know
we
would
need
to
do
some
it
within
the
contract
it
would
need
to.
C
F
Okay
and
the
other
question
I
had
is
right
now
it
says
the
dss
portion
of
contracts
that
currently
support
rent
and
it's
over
2
million.
Is
that
what's
happening
now
I
mean
yes,
okay,
so,
but
this
would
be
expanding
the
shelter.
So
would
that
be
they've
done
that
like
when
you
say
it's,
you
know
this
much
for
this
many
people
this
year
and
you
expect
it
would
be
that
many
and
they
expect
to
fill
this.
F
E
Think
so
again,
this
is
where
I'd
like
to
see
more
detail,
because
the
dss
portion
of
contracts
that
currently
support
rent
that
makes
me
assume
that
they're
talking
about
the
400
subsidy,
that
people
get
and
are
currently
often
placed
in
very
substandard
housing.
So
I'm
wondering
is
what
is
this?
The
plan
for
the
permanent
supportive
housing
they're
going
to
take
that
money
that
people
would
normally
use
at
various
places
around
the
community
and
make
these
more
decent
units
available
to
people
or
are
they
talking
about
when
they
say
rent?
E
Do
they
mean
the
overnight
co,
blue
type
shelter?
So
it's
a
little
unclear
to
me
like.
Does
that
or
maybe
the
2
million
is
the
combination
of
the
two?
I'm
not
really
sure.
If
this
is
the
2
million,
is
the
city's
or
the
county's
code?
Blue
budget?
Is
it
you
know
what
they
normally
spend
in
a
year
trying
to
house
people.
F
D
F
What
happens
to
the
old
shelter?
Does
the
old
shelter
stay
as
it
is
now
with?
Currently
it's
a
mix
of
shelter
and
it's
and
it's
supportive
housing
so.
E
And
he
he
did,
he
did
respond
to
that
question
in
the
email
I
just
sent
you
it
sounds
like
one
thing
is
that
they've
had
interest
in
the
the
site
itself,
so
I
don't
know
if
that
means
that
they
would
potentially
sell
it
and
then
use
that
money
toward
this
or
another
route
that
they
could
take
is
make
it
a
yeah
change
it
to
perma
supportive
housing
only
which
they
do
do
there
now.
So
he
says:
there's
been
interest
in
the
site.
E
F
Maybe
maybe
maybe
yeah
and
and
because
I
imagine
if
they
sold
that
building
that's
pretty
valuable
space
now.
C
E
That's
a
good
question
I
read
that
is,
it
would
take
3
million
to
acquire
the
site,
but
he
does
make
reference
to
over
three
years.
So.
C
F
E
E
If
the
money
is
for
acquisition
and
like
we
said,
we'd
need
to
look
at
how
to
do
a
rent-to-own
situation
versus
a
long-term
lease
of
15
years,
but
because
it
sounds
like
they
don't
want
to
be
working
with
this
place
for
15
years,
but
in
general
for
acquisition.
If
they
don't
acquire
the
site,
then
they
are
required
to
pay
it
back.
Even
if
they've
used
it
and
you
know
house
people
there-
that's
you
know
our
contract
would
be
structured
in
in
a
way
that
they
would
be
required
to
have
an
end
product.
E
C
F
To
get
back
to
what
you
said,
yeah
that's
an
important
piece
and
then
the
other
part
that
you
said
was
you
know,
maybe
their
house
planning
to
house
people
in
what
would
be
a
better
situation.
I
want
to
make
sure
it
is
a
better
situation.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
there
are
kitchen
facilities
when
you
say
somebody
can
keep
a
little
bit
of
food
in
their
room
well
and
if
it's
permanent
supportive
housing.
Well,
why
can't
they
keep
as
much
food
as
they
want
in
their
room?
E
F
E
And
I
just
want
to
go
back
to
one
thing
I
said
before,
which
is
they
haven't
entered
into
conversation
with
us?
They
have
they.
They
had
previous
conversations
with
us
when
they
thought
that
they
could
do
something
similar
two
years
or
so
ago.
So
I
don't
want
to
give
the
impression
that
they've
never
had
conversation
with
us
in
the
city
they
have,
but
about
this
specific
project
no,
and
we
haven't
discussed
that
long-term
lease
versus
buying
okay.
B
B
B
E
Yeah,
so
my
understanding
with
code
blue,
is
it
it's
reimbursed
by
the
state?
So
again
it
depends
on
how
many
days
are
used
and
so
on.
The
two
million
dollar
question?
Yes,
that's
that's
a
question.
I
noted
here
that
that
you're
asking
because
they
also
dss
when
they
say
dss,
rent
rent
to
me-
implies
the
permanent
subsidy
of
400
a
month
that
people
get
who
you
know,
are
renting
places
in
community
long
term.
B
A
Is
this
is
clearly
a
project
that
is
a
little
bit,
not
ready
for
action?
I
mean
we're
getting
a
million
questions
here.
This
you
know
in
the
private
sector.
You
know
you
go
into
funders
and
you
have
a
very
well
prepared
business
plan
to
show
how
you're
going
to
spend
their
money
and
how
it's
going
to
be.
You
answer
all
these
questions
for
them.
I
I
also
don't
want
anisa
going
out
and
developing
their
business
plan,
because
we
we
have
all
those
questions.
A
This
needs
to
go
back
to
the
folks
at
saint
john's
community
service
said
there.
You
know,
there's
a
million
questions
here.
We
need
a
clear
business
plan
and
figure
out
how
this
is
going
to
work
with
the
housing
money,
and
you
know-
and
you
know,
attach
it
to
the
application
next
time.
I
I
don't
right
now
from
what
I'm
seeing
this
is.
This
is
not
ready.
A
C
D
All
right,
so
I
just
want
to
do
a
time
check
a
couple
of
minutes
before
10
a.m.
If
everyone
is
okay
in
terms
of
time,
I'm
talking
about
money.
Can
you
hear
me?
I
just
gotta.
My
internet
connection
is
unstable.
Okay,
start
talking
about
money
and
what's
available,
and
you
know
for
each
of
the
categories
at
least
and
then.
A
D
F
E
E
Time
yeah
just
because
you're
staring
at
me-
and
I
was
just
thinking
like:
oh
yes,
I
didn't
think
you
were
gonna
get
to
the
to
needing
the
spreadsheet
yet
and
yet
you
would
probably
like
that.
Okay,
so
available
funds,
2021
cdbg
is
600
800!
Oh,
I
can
share
my
screen.
Why
don't
I
do
that?
E
Although
somebody
else
started
the
meeting,
so
I'm
not
sure
if
I
can.
Let
me
yes
all
right
here
we
go.
E
Okay,
so
it
might
be
small
on
your
screen,
so
let
me
try
to
so.
We
have
680
000
and
change
in
2021
cdbg.
Then
we
have
an
additional
40
000
in
cdbg
that
is
available
for
use.
We
have
334
000
for
home
and
an
additional
8000
that's
available
for
use,
and
then
we
have
some
pi,
which
is
20,
21
pi,
and
I
think
that's
projected
and
I'll
check
with
metals
for
that.
E
This
is
a
pdf
though,
so
it's
not
a
live
spreadsheet,
so
I
can't
enter
into
the
boxes
and
show
you
how
much
is
left,
but
I
can
do
the
math
on
the
side.
E
Six
hundred
six
hundred
one
and
16
cents.
Thank
you.
E
So,
as
you
know,
and
you've
already
discussed,
you
know
the
jack
gem
would
take
up.
You
know
three
quarters
of
the
cdbg
if
it
were
funded
as
such.
F
That
the
one
that
requested
the
housing
category
was
the
homeowner,
the
the
25
000,
the
125
thousand
dollars
of
inhs
right
because
of
cdbg
rather
than
home.
So
right,
yeah.
A
F
E
I
mean
this
is
the
most
updated
tracy
and
carl
got
an
updated
one,
but.
E
That's
program,
income
program
income
so
for
loans
that
are
being
repaid
that
the
interest
on
the
loans.
D
Okay,
so
we
can
add
that
90
000
to
the
cdbg
total.
E
Yeah,
I
have
to
I'm
a
little
confused
why
it
says
2021.,
I'm
just
confused
why
it's
being
called
2021.
If
we
already
have
it
in
hand,
it's.
C
F
C
D
Down
on
the
economic
debate.
D
E
By
the
way
to
answer
a
question
that
was
asked
early
on
nels
got
back
to
me
about
110
auburn.
He
said
the
last.
He
knew
that
there
was
what
was
being
held
up.
Is
the
neighbor's
garage
encroaches
on
the
110
auburn
property
by
one
inch,
so
they're
working
that
out
by
before
they
sell
get.
D
So
how
about
this?
Let's
you
know,
we
have
you'll,
see
the
column
in
red,
cdbg
cv,
the
the
coleman
funds
90
000,
and
we
have
projects
19
through
24
for
that
funding.
D
Now
the
ask
for
those
projects
is
a
hundred
and
fourteen
thousand
eighty
eight.
So
that's
what
sixty
through
us
quite
a
bit
over,
so
we
could
start
when
we
start
there.
Since
we
know
what
funds
are
available.
F
Can
I
ask
one
other
question
there:
it's
just
that
thing
that
I
keep
saying
that
I
maybe
have
to
stop
saying,
but
do
we
want
to
consider
par
at
least
part
of
the
funding
for
two
one
one
in
there,
because
it's
so
covered
related
and
it
would
free
up
many
other
places.
D
D
Well,
we
could
start
with
project
19
and
go
through
them
and
then
see
you
know
we
may
reject
some
of
them
and
we
may
then
have
money
not
likely,
though,
because
the
the
ask
is
so
much
greater
than
the
amount
available.
B
Can
can
I
just
ask
a
question
now
the
st
john's
thing
on
here
to
upgrade
their
hvac
is
the
very
building
we
just
said
they
might.
Yes,
they
don't
own
and
they
might
not
use
so
so
does
that
mean
our
discussion
from
last
time
of
whether
we
wanted
to
fund
it?
That
is
an
interesting.
F
A
C
B
A
Yes,
we're,
okay,
you
know
I
didn't
realize
it
was
that
they
were
looking
to
sell
this
one
and
get
the.
I
thought
the
other
one
was
just
additional,
because
we.
B
D
But
also
keep
in
mind,
though,
that
the
the
the
purchase
for
the
hotel
is
is
projected
to
be
a
three-year
project.
So
we
know
that
st
john's
ran
into
a
lot
of
issues
good
point
this
year
having
to
really
reduce
service
because
of
lacking
the
the
proper.
You
know,
filtration
systems.
E
Roy
did
get
back
to
me
with
your
question
about.
Would
it
allow
them
to
use
the
shelter
to
stop
the
social
distancing
with
the
with
the
hvac?
E
So
I
can
read
to
you
his
response.
If
you
want,
essentially
it
sounded
like
they
would
still
be
doing
social
distancing,
but
it
would
be
safer
for
the
people
that
were
in
the
building,
because
the
air
filtration
would
be
better.
E
So
he
says,
with
the
introduction
of
fresh
and
cleaning
of
the
recirculated
air,
the
environment
would
be
safer
for
those
in
the
building.
The
system
not
only
kills
the
coronavirus
but
other
pathogens,
such
as
common
cold
virus
and
flu.
The
system
will
allow
us
to
begin
to
allow
more
people
into
the
building,
while
still
maintaining
social
distancing,
but
the
next
follow-up
question
was:
will
would
the
new
hvac
offset
social
distancing
require
requirements?
He
says
I
haven't
seen
any
scientific
evidence
that
suggests
that
social
distancing
can
or
should
be
reduced.
E
There
are
people
that
do
stay
there,
but
that
it's
been
a
smaller
amount,
they're
using
more
hotels
so
as
to
the
overall
numbers
that
are
there
or
how
those
numbers
could
change
at
all.
None
of
that
is
included
in
his
response.
B
B
D
So
we
have
a
difference
between
the
ask:
you
know:
projects
19
through
24,
asking
114
eight
dollars
and
the
amount
available
sixty
three
thousand
eighty
nine
dollars.
It's
a
fifty
one
thousand
dollar
difference.
You
know
rounding
up
so
quite
a
big
difference,
even
not
adding
2-1-1
into
that.
So
we're
definitely
going
to
to
do
some
serious
cuttings
in
this
category.
A
Yeah
last
time
we,
you
know,
we
reviewed
these
already
and
we
talked
about
not
funding
number
22
and
we
had
some
questions
about
19,
the
health
and
wellness
and
whether
we
should
fund
that
so.
D
And
also
project
24
in
finding
asking
dia
to
also
come
in
as
a
sponsor,
if
not
even
taking
the
whole
thing
over
now
I
was
just
saying
just
admittedly,
project
24
is
a
relatively
small
amount.
A
E
D
D
C
How
did
we
end
up
on
number
23?
I
think
it's
huge
that
they
don't
own
the
building
and
is
that
something
that
we've
just
agreed
upon?
D
Last
week
we
said
yes,
we
we
supported
it
because
it
wouldn't
would
increase
their
capacity
but
yeah
the
point
about
them,
not
owning
the
building
and.
D
Is
there
any
capacity
and
willingness
of
the
building
owner
to
come
in
and
and
do
any
kind
of
do
this
renovation
exactly
so
I
guess
that's
a
question
for
roy
and
he
says:
have
they
approached
the
building
owner.
E
He
didn't
say
my
understanding
is
that
in
general,
the
building
owner
does
not
have
a
lot
of.
I
mean
they've
really
acquired
this
building
for
the
purpose
of
making
it
available
to
the
shelter
is
my
understanding
of
the
history
is
so
not
they
don't
necessarily
have
a
lot
of
funds
to
put
into
the
building,
but
that
is
a
question
that
we
did
not
ask
for.
A
D
F
F
A
E
I
mean
one
of
the
things
they
did
say
in
their
responses
to
your
question.
Is
that
one
one
possible
scenario
is
that
they
would
retain
this
building
where
they
currently
do,
have
some
units
and
make
it
all
permanent
units.
I
do
have
to
say
that
it
is
a
great
location
for
people.
You
know
very
walkable,
you
know
so
there's
that
this
is
a
good
location.
E
B
I
mean
in
one
sense
it's
such
a
small
amount
of
money
to
improve
the
air
filtration,
which
is
how
people
are
staying
alive.
Now
I
I
don't
know
I
mean
the
problem.
Is
we
don't
have
unlimited
money,
but
it
doesn't
particularly
bother
me
that
we
would
be
fixing
someone
else's
building
because
if
they
did
get
the
landlord
to
do
it,
the
landlord
might
just
put
it
right
on
to
their
rent.
D
Don't
know
you
know,
we've
also
seen
that
the
impact
of
the
reduced
capacity
at
the
shelter
right
on
the
the
300
block
of
west
state.
You
know
other
areas
of
state
where
people
and
parts
part
of
that
was.
You
know
not
just
the
shelter
reduced
impact,
but
you
know
the
library
other
places
where
folks
could
go
and
and
spend
time.
D
So
it's
not
so
that
I
guess
I
think
it
goes
beyond
just
that
one
building
when
people
aren't
able
to
be
there,
there
are
other
places
and-
and
we
see
negative
impacts
of
people
just
hanging
out.
F
It
was
mara
morinelli
and
his
partner.
B
D
B
D
So
project
19
was
a
maybe,
and
they
did
list
out
what
the
the
costs
were.
The
biggest
cost
was
within
the
19
items
that
they
had.
What
the
money
would
you
be
used
for?
There
was
ten
thousand
dollars
for
a
van.
E
Okay,
so
I
reached
out
to
them.
I
explained
that
a
van
is
not
eligible
normally
for
cdbg.
It
has
been
done
it's
hard
to
do.
Actually,
he
loved
the
idea
of
the
ethical
car
share
idea
that
that
fernando
brought
up.
I
also
mentioned
that
most
other
things.
E
On
here,
as
equipment
like
freezers,
the
complication
there
is
that,
ultimately,
those
things
need
to
be
retained
but
they're
if
they're
purchased
under
this
type
of
project
they're
retained.
E
The
ownership
is
iras,
so
not
that
we
want
to
own
those
things,
but
that's
how
equipment
is
generally
purchased
with
hud
funds
so
that
equipment
purchases
might
also
be
difficult.
Renting
is
compliance
they
they
could
rent
things.
He
indicated
that
last
year
they
did
a
lot
of
this
with
just
help
from
the
community.
They
could
try
to
do
that
again,
but.
C
E
Had
freezers
last
year
he
gave
one
of
their
freezers
to
anna
ortiz
and
one
to
west
village
for
the
food
projects
that
they
were
doing.
I
also
clarified
what
the
site
was.
If
you
had
asked
about
that,
and
teresa
is
correct,
the
site
that
they
were
doing.
This
was
west
state
street
near
dss.
It
was
not
in
the
encampment
as
I
had
thought
it
was
so,
and
they
reached
the
their
number
of
having
reached
17.
E
1700
people
served,
they
counted
the
cups,
so
that's
not
a
hug
compliant
way
of
doing
it,
because
you
can't
understand
whether
that's
duplicated
or
not,
but
it
does
give
you
an
indication
of
how
utilized
it
was.
So
if
you
look
at
the
budget,
some
of
those
things
are
not
something
that
we
could
assist
with
easily
the
the
vans.
E
The
freezers
are
the
things
that
I
think
of
you
know
if,
if
things
are
categories
categorized
as
supplies,
that's
different
than
if
it's
equipment,
but
so
to
me,
cords
are
a
pretty
general
office
supply,
so
we
might
be
able
to
do
that
blenders
at
1800.
E
I'm
not
sure
they
don't
have
a
size
when,
when
we're
talking
about
equipment
necessarily
so
that's
a
little
bit
of
a
gray
area
for
me,
the
tent,
I
think
you
know
public
services
often
need
something
like
that.
I
think
what
it
is
is
like
a
canopy
that
they're
operating.
C
E
So
and,
as
you
pointed
out
the
hand,
sanitizer
gloves,
masks
things
like
that
are
absolutely
compliant
for
cdbg.
I
don't
think
that
there's
any
question
there,
the
stipends
that
you
talked
about
compliant
so
there's
a
mix
of
things
that
are
obviously
compliant
and
harder
to
understand
what.
F
E
Generators,
no,
I
mean
that's
something
that
we
could
acquire
ira
could
acquire
and
that
they
would
use
them
and
then,
when
they're
done,
that
they
they
could
return
them
to
us.
However,
interestingly,
this
brings
up
the
question
that
you
know:
hud
has
the
I'm
sorry.
I
talked
with
love
and
fishes
the
church
st
john's
there,
because
they
were
interested
in
acquiring
generators
for
an
emergency
for
for
an
emergency
disaster
center,
and
I
think,
in
that
case
generators
are
compliant,
but
not
in
this
case,
where
they're
using
it
on
a
project-based
basis,.
F
E
I'm
sorry,
no,
I
didn't
get
the
three
locations.
I
just
verified
where
they
had
done
it
in
the
past.
F
E
E
There
weren't
other
jobs
available
for
youth,
and
they
were
coming
from
communities
that
had
been
impacted,
a
lot
by
unemployment
and
also
the
isolation
of
copen.
So
you
drew
a
very
strong
line
of
compliance
to
that
use
of
funds.
The
stipends
in
order
to
make
a
difference
for
the
youth
that
would
be
involved.
F
The
other
question
that
I
know
we
had
last
time
was:
what
is
the
long
term?
Is
it?
Is
there
a
long
term
plan?
Is
this
just
seen
as
a
covid
project
for
right
now,
or
is
this
seen
as
something
that
would
evolve
into
you
know
a
summer
youth
program
or
something
like
that,
and
if
so,
what's
the
plan
for
the
future?
Were
they
talking
about
charging
anybody
for
anything
to
try.
E
To
raise
money,
the
only
thing
I
want
to
bring
up
with
that
is
through
this.
I
think
that's
a
definitely
obviously
a
valid
question
to
ask,
but
for
this
funding
itself
it
is
really.
C
B
Well,
like
the
things
that
we
can't
fund
because
they
partner
with
just
because
to
do
ged
classes.
E
D
Yeah,
that's
my
understanding
too.
They
do
the
ged
plus
they
do
some.
Some
educational
support
for
kids
in
you
know
in
school,
who
are
were
having
to
do
their
remote
learning.
E
My
thought
was
that
the
coven
19
funders
network
is
still
operational
and
they
could
probably
approach
another
local
funder
for
some
things
that
can't
be
used.
You
know
that
doesn't.
E
I
I
mean
I,
I
know
that
harry
smith
has
had
communication
with
other
funders
in
the
19
funders
network.
He
is
working
on
a
variety
of
different
kinds
of
projects,
not
just
copic
related,
but
I
know
that
he's
had
meetings
with
funders.
I
think
if
he
went
to
funders
with
a
specific
ask
for
something
like
generators
to
support
this
project,
there
might
be
interest
in
that,
but
I
can't
speak
for
the
other
funders.
I
think
you
know
people.
E
My
understanding
is
that
funders
have
been
interested
in
the
the
things
that
he's
trying
to
do
in
the
community
and
probably
would
benefit
from
having
you
know
something
like
a
discrete
ask.
You
know,
for
a
certain
amount
for
a
certain
thing.
However,
on
the
other
hand,
you
know
that
might
if
he
gets
funded
for
a
generator
somewhere.
That
might
mean
that
the
funder
wouldn't
fund
something
related
to
a
job
program.
He's
envisioning
beyond
the
stipends
for
for
people.
E
Well,
when
I
spoke
to
him,
he
seemed
confident
that
he
could
find
I
mean
basically
he'd,
be
receptive
for
any
support
and
that
he
would
be
looking
in
the
community
for
the
other
pieces
and
he
seemed
to
have
a
pretty
high
degree
of
confidence
that
he
could
secure.
Those
and
again
the
contract
could
be
structured,
such
that,
if
he
doesn't,
you
know,
receive
the.
If
he
doesn't
have
the
ability
to
do
the
project,
then
there
won't
be
stipends.
Given
I
see.
D
And
yeah,
so
my
question,
though,
is
the
stipends
category,
is
stipends,
slash
facilities
so
and
I'm
not
sure
what
facilities
means
is
that
for
some
place,
so
you
know
how
much
is
for
stipends?
How
much
is
for
facilities.
F
E
Question
so
it
seems
like
what
you'd
like
to
know
is
how
many
stipends,
how
much
are
they
getting?
I
mean
how
many
youth
would
be
recipients
and
how
much
are
they
and
what
is
the
facilities.
D
So
I
would
propose
for
this
that
we,
even
though
we
don't
know
the
answer
to
that
breakout-
that
we
pencil
in
12
000,
which
is
the
stipend
facilities
amount.
So
we
just
pistol
that
in
as
what
we'll
we'll
say
now
that
we'll
support.
A
For
what
it's
worth
in
their
description,
they
talk
about
employing
up
to
12
kids,
this
spring
and
summer.
A
A
Yeah,
like
I
said,
let's
pencil
it
in
yeah,
I
have
with
the
12
000
and
taking
out
number
22
look
at
things,
leaving
everything
else
on
touch
we're
we're
fifty
two
hundred
dollars
over
there.
There
is
the
available
68
360.
A
Okay,
okay,
yeah
correct!
That's!
What's
available
all
right,
so
yeah
we're
52
5279
over
the
other
one
that
we
had
questions
was
the
the
farmers
market.
A
A
D
So
the
next
one
was
number
20,
the
advocacy
center,
and
we
have
supported
that
one
and
actually
talked
about
rounding,
that
up
to
six
thousand
dollars
from
the
57
20.
right
in
case.
D
D
E
I
spoke
to
heather
or
I
emailed
with
her,
and
she
said
that
the
estimate
was
fairly
recent.
She
was
fairly
certain.
They
could
do
it
for
that.
The
amount
that
she
proposed,
but
you
know
she
would
circle
back
to
the
contractor.
C
E
Now,
just
when
you're
ready,
I
have
monica
roth's
monica
wrote
back
with
answers
to
the
questions
that
you
all
had.
D
Okay,
so
yeah,
so
when
farmers
market
project
21
right,
we
had
questions
about
that.
So
go
ahead.
Anisa.
E
So
we
had
asked
our
snap
rece
recipients,
ebt
cards
or
the
card
that
contains
their
benefits
not
currently
and
able
to
allow
them
to
use
their
online.
The
farmer's
market
online
system.
She
said
we're
totally
able
to
accept
payment
via
snap
for
online
sales.
However,
it
is
not
used
much
so
we
do
need
specific
outreach
to
increase
participation.
E
Unfortunately,
for
most
of
2020,
our
snap
authorization
had
expired
and
it
takes
forever
for
the
federal
nutrition
service
to
reauthorize.
So
that's
in
terms
of
I
asked
did
they
have
data
for
how
much
in
sales
the
farmers
market
usually
does
with
snap
recipients?
E
She
says,
luckily,
by
the
fall
we
were,
we
were
back
in
business
and
meaning
2020
and
we
will
get
some
numbers
so
with
all
the
recipients,
with
all
the
applicants
that
I
reached
out
to
per
your
discussion
last
week,
I
had
said
that
if
they
got
me
the
detail,
I
would
convey
it
to
you
but
to
be
prepared
to
talk
about
that
in
their
public
presentation.
So
that's
the
information
she
had
so
far.
E
Well,
what
she
said
is
that
I
mean
the
question
I
had
asked
is:
are
snap
recipients
able
to
use
their
card
for
online
sales
and
she
said
yes,
the
next
question
was:
are
they
not
using
your
online
sales?
She
says
that
they
they're
not
using
it
as
much
as
they
could
that's
why
they
want
to
do
outreach
and,
I
said,
are
there
numbers
for
how
much
in
sales
the
farmer's
market
usually
does
with
snap
recipients
per
year
per
quarter
or
whatever
unit
of
time?
E
You
have
available
data
and
she
said,
unfortunately,
for
most
of
2020,
our
snap
authorization
had
expired
and
it
takes
forever
for
them
to
reauthorize.
So
what
I
take
that
to
mean,
is
they
don't
have
data
about
their
20
20
sales?
She
could
have
looked
back
or
they
they
could
try
to
gather
numbers.
So
I
know
that's
not
answering
your
question
carl.
I
just
mean
that
those
are
the
questions
I
asked
and
that's
how
she
answered.
F
B
So
by
outreach,
though,
that
makes
it
sound
like
they
need
to
do
this
outreach
because
they're
not
using
it
very
much,
and
I
keep
coming
back
to
this
grant
funding
will
be
used
to
pay
the
40
subsidy
for
snap
customers.
So
is
this
just
like
your
your
coupon
code
and
if
your
snap
it'll
be
like
get
40
off,
do
you
do
you
now
know
the
answer
to
that
anissa.
E
No,
I
mean,
I
think,
that's
I
mean
I
think
it's
opened
another
question
right.
It's
like
I
asked
if
they
could
use
their
their
cards
for
online
sales,
they
can
and
then
she
said,
we'd
like
that,
we'd
like
to
see
more
snap
users
using
online
sales
and
we
need
to
do
hours.
Then
that
brings
up
your
question.
It's
like!
Well,
how
do
they?
How
are
you
going
to
tell
them
about
it?
How
does
it
work
anyway?
You
know
all
those
it
seems
like
it
breaks
up
a
bunch
of
new
questions.
C
E
Users,
snap
recipients
grow.
You
know
farmers
markers
groceries.
So
what
is
the
outreach
she's?
Speaking
of
we
don't
know.
D
F
Of
which
they
say
there
would
be
350
households,
90
in
the
city,
and
we
know
they'd
be
less
than
80
ami
because
of
the
snap
definition.
F
C
F
F
You
have
to
pay
for
it
because
they'll
be
yes.
Let
me
quote
anticipate
once
sufficient
customers
shop
online.
It
will
sustain
itself
through
the
margins
set
by
ithaca
farmers
market
to
cover
the
cost
full
paying.
Customers
would
subsidize
the
margin
so.
F
B
E
I
think
how
it
addresses
kova
is
that
that
the
farmers
market
really
wasn't
available
for
people
to
shop
at
okay,.
E
Piece
of
information
is
like
well
how
many
you
know,
how
much
did
you
do
in
snap
sales
in
the
past
and
that's
what
they're
looking
at
getting
but
another
way
that
this
does
support
covet?
That
I
don't
really
feel
like.
Is
that
clear
in
their
application?
But
how
I
see
it
is
we
know
that
you
know
people
have
been
more
food
and
insecure
during
covet,
even
with
you
know
snap
and
that
it's
hard
to
get
fresh
foods.
E
You
know
if
you're,
really,
you
can
get
fresh
foods
at
a
grocery
store,
obviously
using
snap
benefits,
but
that
you
know
you're,
supplementing
your
your
diet
with
food
pantries
and
things
like
that
food
pantries,
don't
get
a
lot
of
fresh
food.
B
It's
but
it
sounds
like
the
main
thing
we're
doing
is
is
a
like
a
discount
and
that's
fine.
If.
D
F
C
C
D
All
right
partners
in
health,
the
22
we've
already
said
no
back
to
st
john's.
We
didn't
kind.
D
F
F
But
I
originally
thought
this
was
a
really
good
idea.
I
would,
I
would
be
happier
to
know
that
they
really
are
increasing
the
numbers.
They
can
access
the
the
friendship
center
in
particular,
and
I
wasn't
too
sure
from
that
answer.
D
A
Yeah,
that's
leaving
sanitation
station.
The
only
changes
here
on
19
would
be
12
000
project
20
would
be
6
000
increased
a
little
bit.
21
would
be
14
000,
like
you
said
a
second
ago,
and
that's
so
23
remains
untouched,
we're
200
over
which
is,
for
all
intents
and
purposes
we're
we're
there.
But
the
question:
do
we
want
to
fund
a
big
project?
Twenty
thousand
three
hundred
dollars
you
know:
do
you
have
confidence
that
this
project
is
gonna?
D
D
Had
you
know,
I
even
though
we're
last
how
much
longer
they
would
be.
I
mean
it
appears
from
their
other
the
application
for
the
hotel
that
it
would
be
at
least
three
years.
They
would
still
remain
in
this
building
now,
if
it
was,
if
it's
three
years,
I
would
support
this.
If
it's
a
year,
then
no,
I
would
not.
E
E
Well,
this
is
cv
funding,
so
it's
a
little
different,
but
in
general
fernando
exactly
for
a
housing
investment
in
like
structures
and
housing,
then
for
housing.
Certainly,
the
level
of
funding
comes
with
an
attached
amount
of
years
of
affordability
that
are
required
for
public
facilities.
I
think
it's
a
little
different,
but
yeah.
It's
certainly
not
like
build
this
building,
use
it
for
one
year
for
a
community
center,
and
then
it
can
be
your
new
city
hall.
No,
you
can
never
do
that.
C
E
There
there
usually,
is
that
I
haven't
seen
something
as
specific
as
that
for
the
cv
funding,
because
they
were
really
trying
to
make
it.
You
know,
put
it
out
there
for
people
and
things
that,
like
you
know,
like
the
advocacy
centers
request,
those
are
things
that
you
know
they
indicated
are
compliant
because
they're
necessary
to
prove
it,
and
so
therefore
the
the
hvac
system
seems
compliant
in
that
way.
F
Well,
the
sanitation
station
we
haven't
talked
about
yet,
but
that
also
we
were
asking
for
some
buy-in
from
downtown
business,
etc.
So
I
don't
know.
C
D
F
C
D
D
All
right
now,
in
terms
of
going
further,
do
a
top
check.
It's
10
50
right
now
we
have
one
more.
So
our
next
meeting
is
on
the
9th
april
9,
which
comes
after
the
two
public
meetings
right.
D
So
our
iurra
public
meeting
is
next
week
the
25th
and
then
the
week
after
on
april
1st,
and
then
we
meet
on
april
9.,
so
we'll
have
another
opportunity
to
kind
of
weigh
in
on
the
amounts
and
we'll
probably
have
some
more
answers
you
know
after
we
will
should
have
some
more
answers
after
the
public
meetings.
D
D
F
Earliest
the
april
first
meeting
they're
having
I
think,
is
just
the
second
part
of
the
public
hearing.
D
F
Do
we
know
which
which
are
going
to
be
considered
at
each
public
hearing.
E
Yes,
the
schedule
is
out
the
cv
projects
and
the
housing
projects
will
present
the
first
day
and.
F
Oh
well,
let's
go.
We
talked
about
covet,
then
so
just
covered
in
housing
for
march
25th
and
then
the
rest,
the
next
time.
Okay,
yeah,
all
right.
D
All
right,
let
me
just
take
a
quick
look
at
the
agenda,
make
sure
I'm
not
missing
anything.
E
No,
I
think
I
tried
to
share
with
you
what
information
I
garnered
from
those
that
I
reached
out
to
and
I'll
review
that
list.
I
I
didn't
want
to
bombard
you
with
a
bunch
of
emails,
but
now
I've
sent
you
several
of
the
ones
that
were
responses
so
I'll
go
ahead
and
look
through
my
email
and
send
you
any
others
that
so
you
have
them
for
your
reference.
But
again
I've
told
them
to
include
that
information
in
the
public
hearing.
D
D
All
right:
well,
I
think
we
can
adjourn.
You
know
I
never
I've
been
in
meetings
where
you
know
we
have
to
take
a
vote
to
adjourn
or
someone
has
to
make
a
motion
and
another
one's
where
it's
it
doesn't
matter.