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I
just
emailed
chris
and
charlotte
just
remind
them
of
our
30-minute
early
start
time
to
make
sure
that
they're
aware.
E
G
So
this
is
odd,
but
I'm
pretty
sure
charlotte
has
something
kind
of
important
that
went
right
up
until
three,
which
I
know
because
she
is
my
husband's
boss
and
he's.
D
That's
good
information
to
know
it's.
You
know
we,
we
have
a
quorum.
We
technically
have
a
quorum
as
soon
as
one
more
member
arrives.
D
F
H
H
Okay,
all
right,
that's
fine,
but
but
I
think
we
can
proceed
now
now
that
I'm
here.
H
So
sorry
about
that
everybody,
and
I'm
just
looking
for
where
the
agenda
went.
H
Okay,
terrific
is
anyone
here
for
public
comment,
charles,
I
don't
know
everybody's
here
for
an
item
on
the
agenda
and
recognize
all
the
names
so
good,
okay,
let's
just
talk
about
the
meeting
minutes,
then
I
guess
is
it:
was
it
truly
august
18th.
H
A
H
I'll
move
it
thank
you
doug,
and
I
saw
that
for
a
second
thank
you,
charles
for
catching
that
leslie
anything
else
from
eagle
eye.
Ackerman.
H
That
was
in
favor
of
accepting
these
minutes
as
amended.
Perfect,
unanimous.
Okay,
all
right.
Our
first
item
for
business
is
a
technical
assistance
request
from
buffalo
street
cooperative
inc
and
we
have
our
resolution
as
well
as
well
as
information
in
our
packet,
and
I
see
that
amy
is
here,
so
I
will
turn
over
maybe
to
amy
and
nels,
maybe
nels
first
and
then
amy
just
for
a
little
bit
of
discussion,
and
then
we
can
maybe
an
introduction,
and
then
we
can
get
into
discussion.
How
about
that?
Sorry,
nels.
D
Okay,
great,
thank
you.
This
agenda
is
a
follow-up
from
our
consultation
from
october
and
where
we
talked
about
trying,
you
know
exploring
the
idea
of
a
business
consultant
that
could
help
reimagine
a
business
plan
for
buffalo
street
books.
That
would
strengthen
their
sustainability
over
time,
hopefully
leading
to
job
growth
as
well,
and
they
have
been
doing
a
lot
of
work
and
research
in
the
meantime
and
have
identified
a
preferred
consultant.
D
The
proposals
include
in
your
packet
about
4
400
and
they
have
experience
deep
experience
in
the
food
co-op
world
and
since
one
of
the
visions
here
is
to
explore
the
idea
of
a
coffee
cafe
kind
of
component
to
be
brought
in
and
also
working
with,
the
cooperative
ownership,
it
does
seem
like
there's
a
strong
overlap
between
between
between
the
you
know,
the
organization's,
desires
and
needs
and
the
business
planning
process.
D
So
it
I
did
develop
a
draft
resolution
authorizing
approval
of
technical
assistance
to
hire
the
consultant
in
your
packet,
the
and
and
that
would
be
a
from
a
funding
source
called
the
udag
re
funds.
They're.
Actually,
miscellaneous
incomes
received
from
a
prior
grant,
but
they
are
authorized
for
a
wide
variety
of
uses
that
do
not
require
job
creation
or
low
mod
income
benefit
they're,
they're,
flexible,
they're,
very
valuable
to
us.
That's
why
we
safeguard
them
in
this
proposal
proposed
resolution.
D
Should
we
move
to
a
future
loan,
there
would
be
an
opportunity
to
rebate
the
funds
in
the
udag
account
and
take
them
from
the
e.d
revolving
loan.
So
there's
an
option
that
it
may
not
impact
that
fund
in
the
long
term.
If
everything
works
out
swimmingly
with
this
project
and
there's
quite
a
bit
of
information
in
the
packet
about
the
proposal
as
well
as
some
of
the
you
know
the
work
leading
up
to
it
conducted
by
buffalo
street
books.
So
I
would
turn
over
to
amy
for
additional
information
or
lisa.
G
Amy,
I
can
speak
sure
so
yeah.
Thank
you
so
much
for
entertaining
this
idea.
This
is
hugely
exciting
to
just
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
executive
board.
The
basically,
what
we'd
love
to
do
is
to
go
to
seven
routes
and
give
them
information
behind
four
different
proposals.
G
Four
different
ways
that
the
bookstore
could
move
forward,
some
of
which
are
mutually
exclusive,
but
some
of
which
are
not
so
the
main
one
of
the
main
ones
would
be
again
a
cafe
coffee
shop
idea,
which
is
just
a
perennial
idea
that
customers
and
staff
and
board
members
are,
you
know,
always
eager.
For
I
mean
that
would
be
in
conjunction
with
re-renting
the
reading
room
that
is
currently
vacant
next
to
the
store.
G
Another
idea
is
the
one
that
you've
heard
us
speak
about
before,
which
is
the
idea
of
starting
a
separate
ancillary
non-profit
that
would
help
move
some
items
off
of
our
budget
onto
a
different
balance
sheet,
but
work
in
tandem
with
the
store.
So
that
would
be
a
separate
entity
again,
that's
something
slightly
different
than
the
coffee
shop,
not
mutually
exclusive,
but
two
other
ideas
are
maybe
a
little
bit
more.
In
line
with
the
co-op
model,
one
would
be
to
start
a
membership
program
that
people
could
join.
G
That
would
have
various
levels
of
support
tied
to
various
levels
of
benefits,
kind
of
like
a
national
public
radio
model.
Something
like
that
and
a
fourth
idea
would
be
to
potentially
amend
our
bylaws
so
that
becoming
an
owner
of
the
co-op
would
have
a
different
structure
to
it
and
would
have
an
annual
contribution
to
the
store
in
order
to
remain
an
owner
in
good
standing,
because
the
one
thing
that
we
know
is
that
we
we're
going
to
need
continued
support
to
make
up
the
gap
between
retail
sales
and
all
of
our
literary
arts
programming.
G
So
we
would
sort
of
ask
seven
roots
to
evaluate
all
of
these
and
give
us
recommendations
back
on
all
of
them,
and
we,
you
know,
we've
discussed
that
with
them
and
they
are.
They
are
very
psyched.
This
is
something
that
they're
wearing
to
go
on.
So
I
think,
that's
the
end
of
my
tiny
little
prepared
speech,
but
I'd
love
to
hear
what
questions
and
things
that
interest
you
about.
This
are.
H
C
Well,
I,
this
is
very
exciting.
I
think
that
there
could
be
a
lot
of
great
wisdom
and
knowledge
that
comes
out
of
this.
My
the
thing
that
jumped
out
at
me,
looking
at
the
proposal,
is
that
in
the
scheme
of
of
consulting
fees,
forty
four
hundred
dollars
is
so
little
and
it
makes
me
wonder:
are
they
giving
you
a
super
great
deal
because
they
really
love
your
organization
and
want
you
to
have
an
affordable
project,
or
are
they
doing
an
evaluation
for
you?
C
C
C
That's
okay.
I
wasn't
sure
I
figured
something
funny
happened.
I
noted
that
the
the
figure
for
the
consulting
fee
seemed
substantially
lower
than
what
I
would
have
expected.
So
I'm
just
wondering:
did
they
cut
you
an
exceptional
deal
or
are
they
doing
a
very
fairly
narrow
scope?
Consultancy
for
you.
J
I
mean
I
can
I
can
jump
in
with
what
I
think
she
was
going
to
say,
which
is
that
you
know
we
haven't
hired
a
lot
of
consultants,
so
we
don't
have
something
to
compare
this
to
we.
You
know,
we
know
the
scope,
we
gave
them,
that's
what
we've
outlined
as
she
said,
to
look
at
some
of
these
options
and
really
come
back
with
here's.
What
we
think
are
your
top
few
options,
and
this
is
what
you
need
to
do
it.
J
G
I
I
apologize
so
heavily
the
work
will
they
are?
They
are
not
here,
they
are
in
minnesota,
so
the
work
will
be
virtual
and
we
will
be
providing
them
with
a
lot
of
information.
H
H
So
I
always
want
to
make
sure
that
you're
fully
clear
that
they're
fully
clear
that
you're
expecting
an
analysis
of
each
of
the
four
scenarios,
because
again,
like
400,
is
a
little
low
and
so,
depending
on
you
know,
are
they
able
to
provide
you
that
that
sort
of
level
of
process
and
verbal
on
each
of
those
four
scenarios
or
something
you
might
want
to
just
quadruple
check.
H
H
C
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
I'd
like
to
see
that
you
guys
get
a
lot
of
good
learning
out
of
this
process
right,
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
benefit
in
having
just
scratched
the
surface
and
then
said.
Well,
that's
that's
all
you
paid
us
for
and
you're
thinking,
oh
god,
there's
so
much
more.
We
could
have
gotten
out
of
it.
It
would.
It
would
be
a
shame
to
miss
an
opportunity
or
have
the
opportunity
not
pay
off
to
the
extent
you
want,
simply
because
the
communication
with
the
consultants
didn't
wasn't
as
clear.
G
Yeah-
and
I
think
this
is
somewhere
in
the
packet
too-
that
we
also
have
been
in
discussion
with
oh
shoot.
My
connection
in
discussion
with
frank
cetera
at
the
onondaga
small
business
council,
who
is
also
going
to
be
looking
at
a
bunch
of
material
that
we've
already
provided
him
as
well
as
this
eventual
report
and
working
with
us
to
implement
that.
So
I
think
that
we
have
lots
of.
You
know
proposed
follow-up
to
the
initial
report
and
you
know
what
they
provide
us.
H
Yeah
we
can
hear
you
amy,
just
you
know,
we
can't
see
you
moving
very
well,
but
we
can
hear
you.
I
get.
Maybe
one
other
question
and
you
partially
addressed
it
in
the
memo
that
we
have
here,
which
is
you
know
what
in
talking
with
them
and
recognizing
their
deep
roots
in
the
food
co-op
business.
You
know
what
were
some
of
the
indicators
that
gave
you
confidence
that
okay,
they
can
apply
that
understanding
to
your
context.
G
Just
the
idea
that
the
main
thing
that
the
main
thing
that
we
need
advice
about
is
our
cooperative
structure,
that
it's
any
the
advice
that
coming
at
it
from
a
retail
perspective,
doesn't
work
for
us.
It
doesn't
touch
a
number
of
the
issues
that
we've
been
having
over
the
past
10
years,
so
that
that
you
know
it's.
This
is
actually
something
that
I
think
I'm.
G
Learning
fairly
recently
that
the
way
for
our
sustainability
is
to
make
the
best
use
of
our
structure
and
that
we
have
not
even
begun
to
really
take
advantage
of
membership
and,
in
terms
of
keeping
people
invested,
I
think,
is
their
insight.
That
came
from
the
call
that
we
had
with
them.
H
J
A
I
would
reiterate
the
specifics
about
you
know
when
they
talk
about
their
recommendations.
I
would
link
them
specifically
to
the
four.
You
know,
specific
ideas
that
you
have
I'd,
also
question
the
40
down.
I've
been
doing
consulting
for
15
years.
A
I
don't
think
I've
ever
asked
for
that
much
down,
so
maybe
that's
the
trade-off
in
low
cost,
but
that
seemed
a
lit
a
bit
high
to
me
and
and
then
thirdly,
the
question:
do
you
think
you
would
share
this
report
with
us
after
you
get
it
or
or
would
that
be
more
confidential?.
G
H
Yeah
great
leslie,
any
other
questions
from
your
side.
Have
we
gotten
everything
you
have
yeah?
I
mean,
I
think
I
think
ours
and
I
think
our
suggestions
here
are
not
binding
on
this
resolution.
I
don't
think
I
think
these
are
all
just
our
suggestions
to
you
in
terms
of
your
final
contract
with
them.
As
far
as
I'm
concerned,
the
resolution
is
adequate
as
written
is
that,
okay,
with
the
both
of
you.
H
All
right,
great
great,
so
maybe
just
a
motion
to
approve
this
as
it's
written
here
leslie
thank
you
seconded
by
doug,
yeah,
terrific,
anything
else
from
anybody.
H
No,
no
okay,
then
all
in
favor-
and
I
think
that's
unanimous,
dug
down
on
the
screen
for
a
second
great
amy
and
lisa
good
luck.
This
will
go
to
the
iua
on
thursday
and
I'll
be
there.
I
don't
know
if
nels
has
invited
you
to
attend
that
meeting
as
well.
Hopefully
we'll
get
that
squared
away
this
week
and
then
you
can
be
off
and
running.
H
H
We
will
have
to
switch
at
3
30
to
the
inlet
island
conversation
which
doesn't
require
a
quorum
because
we're
not
taking
any
voting
action
so
if
charlotte
doesn't
make
it
we're,
okay
and
and
try
to
contain
that
to
a
half
hour
and
then,
if
necessary,
come
back
perfectly
for
use
again
for
which
would
bring
leslie
back
in
so
sorry,
we
have
a
lot
of
moving
parts
of
a
very
small
number
of
people,
but
somehow
very
complicated
constellation
of
who
can
be
here
when
and
then
yeah
and
hopefully
try
to
wrap
in
any
case
by
4,
30..
H
So
nels
you
want
to
maybe
bring
us
up
to
speed
on
where
we
are
and
the
various
kind
of
back
and
forth
of
what's
being
requested
here
and
then
we'll
hear
from
diana
before
we
break
it.
3
30.,
okay,.
D
Great
yeah,
just
one
background
note,
is
that
finger
lakes,
reuse
has
basically
two
full
years
of
funding
that
they
have
not
expended
for
their
job
training
and
placement
programs,
so
they
are.
They
have
due
to
the
covet
related
issues.
A
lot
of
programs
have
experienced
slowdowns
and
delays
in
this
case,
there's
20
20
funds
at
75
000
that
have
yet
to
have
any
disbursements
on
them
and
then
2021
funds
with
a
little
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
D
So
you
know
for
those
programs,
those
job
training
programs
to
proceed.
They
are
designed
to
basically
fund
one
full
year.
You
know
of
operations
so
we're
in
a
case
where
we
have
some
some
flexibility
with
the
funds.
The
finger
lakes
reuse
approached
the
city
very
late
in
the
budget
process
discussing
urpa
funds,
and
it
was
just
too
late
for
them
to
consider
arpa
funding
for
a
request.
It's
in
you
know
in
a
practical
way.
D
So
then
we
started
talking
a
little
bit
about
whether
the
ira
could
play
a
role
in
helping
finger.
Lakes,
reuse
maintain
their
strong
employment
count
and
operations
in,
in
the
face
of
you,
know
the
challenging
times
in
the
recycling
industry
as
well
as
during
covid,
and
they
have
submitted
a
request
for
150
000
of
loan
assistance.
D
75
000
proposed
to
be
reallocated
from
the
2020
job
training
activity
and
the
second
tranche
of
75
000
requested
from
the
loan
fund.
But
there
is
a
twist
here
again
that
we
that
I
had
neglected
in
my
first
version
of
the
resolution
to
take
into
account
and
that's
the
ed
loan
fund
is
not
eligible
for
loans
to
not
for
profits,
except
for
activities
that
include
acquisition
of
real
estate
or
construction
activities.
D
So
this
is
not
really
an
eligible
loan
activity,
however,
because
finger
lakes,
reuse
is
a
community-based
development
organization.
It
is
eligible
under
that
category
and
that's
how
we
fund
the
job
training,
job
placement
programs,
because
we
would
go
way
over
the
public
service
cap
of
15
of
cdbg
funds
if
we
were
not
able
to
utilize
that
special
category
for
community-based
development
organizations.
D
So
really
this.
What
this
proposal
is
is
proposing
here
is
that
we
take
a
look
at
shifting
their
community-based
development
organization
or
cbdo
activity
from
job
training
to
job
retention
and
maintain
the
you
know,
with
a
goal
of
helping
finger
lakes
reuse
by
maintaining
their
staffing,
achieve
their
earned
income
sales
goal
of
2.3
million
dollars
in
2022,
which
could
stabilize
them
sufficiently
so
that
they
could
meet
that
goal
with
with
the
jobs
that
would
be
retained
and
sustain
the
organization
and
continue
their
rapid
growth
in
in
earned
income.
D
They've
really
seen
a
very
strong
20
per
year.
Increase
in
revenues
they've
also
seen
a
pretty
strong
increase
in
expenses
per
year
because
they
keep
adding
employees
as
necessary
to
operate
the
programs.
D
So
what
I,
what
this
resolution
proposes,
is
to
approve
funding
for
an
economic,
a
community
economic
development
project
that
results
in
retention
of
two
full-time
jobs,
and
so
it's
the
recommendation
here
from
staff
is
look
at
the
75
thousand
dollars
piece
kind
of
separately
and
then
maybe
take
a
look
at
the
second
75
d.
You
know
in
a
different
way,
perhaps
at
a
different
time,
because
it's
it's
more
complicated.
D
I
think
to
move
towards
the
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollar
account
it's
important
to
note
that
the
county
has
provided
some
assistance
for
finger
lakes
for
use
to
do
an
assessment
of
their
operations
and
efficiencies,
and
that's
money
they
can
access
in
starting
in
2022.
D
They
can
also
seek
additional
funding
from
both
the
county
and
the
city
under
the
arpa
programs
at
various
times
in
2022
it
wouldn't
be
in
the
early
part
of
the
year.
I
don't
think
either
of
the
entities
are
really
entertaining
requests
until
they
get
a
little
further
along
in
the
year.
D
So
this
is
a
stop
getting
in
some
ways,
a
stopgap
measure
to
maintain
their
ability
to
continue
to
operate
at
the
level
they
were
operating
and
to
reach
their
sales
goal.
There's
a
number
of
conditions
that
are
discussed
here
and
we
can
go
into
greater
detail
on
those.
But
essentially
I
propose
treating
it
like
a
loan
that
if
the
goal
is
reached,
the
loan
is
forgiven
and
if
the
goal
is
not
reached,
then
the
goal
is
due
and
payable.
D
And
that's
that's
that's
the
framework
that
we're
starting
that
I'm
starting
from.
In
terms
of
my
suggestion
to
the
community-
and
I
wonder,
I
think
maybe
they
stop
there
and
move
to
the
next
step.
C
D
D
The
public
yeah,
the
public
benefit,
cannot
exceed
35
000
that
per
job.
It
may
be
possible
that
finger
lakes,
reuse,
can
you
know
I
don't
know?
Maybe
it
could
be
if
they
can
increase
it?
It's
got
to
be
kind
of
viewed
as
a
full-time
job
when
we're
doing
job
retention,
so
we
can't
do
2.1
jobs.
C
D
H
D
D
D
The
ira
would
be
authorized
to
use
cdbg
funds
for
a
a
special
activity
on
carried
out
by
a
cbdo
and
that's
the
way
we
fund
the
job
training
programs.
The
board
of
the
of
the
cbdo
has
to
meet
certain
composition,
requirements
and
finger.
Lakes.
D
I
D
Is
one
example
kind
of
aimed
at
energy
efficiency
and
housing?
A
second
category
is
a
neighborhood
activity,
and
the
third
activity
is
a
community
economic
development
activity
which
we
have
used
that
category
to
to
make
the
job
training
programs
eligible,
because
they
result
in
job
placement
or
job
retention.
So
this
is
another
way
to
re
to
retain
jobs.
D
D
So
that's
the
argument
that
this
is
that
that
there's
essentially
a
project
here
and
the
project
is,
in
my
mind,
is-
is
packaged
to
assist
the
entity,
reach
their
earned
income
sales
goal
of
2.3
million
dollars
which
would
stabilize
them
if
they,
if
they
balance
their
budget
in
2022,
to
take
in
account
some
some
some
reductions
in
expenses.
H
D
H
Right
right,
especially
because
you're
proposing
to
make
it
forgivable
under
certain
conditions,
anyway,
right
and
just
the
last
iura
meeting
I
attended
now
is
there
was
there
was
covid
cdbg
money
that
may
look
like
it
might
not
actually
be
expended,
and,
and
if
it
weren't,
is
that
a
more
flexible
source
of
funds
for
this
and
could
it
qualify.
D
Finally,
currently
all
of
our
covid
funding
from
cdbg
sources
are
are
committed.
There
was
discussion
of
one
activity
at
twenty
thousand
dollars.
That
was
in
question,
but
the
nic
committee
has
worked
with
that
entity
and
it's
the
recommending
continuation,
at
least
for
another
six
months.
All
right.
That's
fine!.
H
I
know
we
were
going
to
pivot
at
3
30,
but
maybe
diane
do
you
want
to
just
add
anything
to
the
overview
of
our
understanding?
Maybe
we
just
kind
of
get
to
that
kind
of
stopping
point
anyway.
L
Sure,
thanks
and
I
really
appreciate
the
iur's
support
of
what
we've
been
doing
yeah
this.
Our
challenge
is
covid
related
and
we
have
a
weird
angle
on
this.
Our
donation
volume
has
just
continued
to
increase.
It's
caused
us
some
real
challenges,
and
so
what
I've
been
scrambling
to
try
to
figure
out
is
how
do
we
scale
this?
To
meet
this
we've?
We
have
added
staff,
but
it's
state
level
all
through
2021.
L
the
county.
We
have
appealed
to
the
counties
for
support.
We
started
with
a
public-private
partnership
with
the
with
the
county
and
they
actually
cut
us
a
hundred
percent
from
their
budget
in
2021.
So
I'd
been
really
focusing
my
request
on
them.
I
you
know
I
thought
when
the
arpa
money
was
coming
through,
that
they
would
be
able
to
help
provide
us
some
relief.
So
we've
been
really
in
a
stranglehold
all
year.
It's
been
very,
very
challenging
so
we're
you
know
bits
and
pieces
putting
things
together.
L
It
did
appeal
to
the
city
now,
as
I
appealed
to
you
late
in
the
process,
but
I
I
wasn't
able
to
get
through
to
someone
who
could
understand
our
position
earlier,
and
so
so
we
would
much
prefer
for
the
our
balance
sheet
position
a
grant
than
a
loan.
It
just
would
really
help
us
right
now
we
have
negative
net
net
assets
that
we're
working
on
trying
to
close
that
gap,
but
adding
another
loan
to
that.
L
That,
then,
would
have
another
couple
of
years
on
our
books
would
be
it
just
it's
not
as
clean
a
solution
for
us.
So
if
there
is
an
option,
I
guess
I
guess
my
single
appeal
would
be.
If
you
have
the
ability
to
to
grant
us
money,
that
would
be
fabulous,
we're
we
are
looking
at
trying
to
preserve
jobs
right
now.
L
I
do
think
it's
a
patch
that
we're
in
because
some
of
the
stuff,
we're
figuring
out
we're
getting
a
lot
of
wealth
in
the
form
of
material
coming
at
us
all
the
time
and
we're
just
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
convert
that.
It's
it's
major
and
we
just
we
need
help.
Now
is
what
is
what
we
really
could
could
use
and
you
guys
have
been
such
an
amazing
partner.
So
thank
you.
H
D
Yeah
charlotte's
got
to
leave
at
four,
and
so
the
idea
was
to
have
leslie
recuse
herself
for
that
discussion
on
inlet
island
and
then
come
back
to
resume
discussion
with
finger
lakes.
Reuse
is
his
one
model.
H
All
right,
yeah,
I
think
we
should
take
full
advantage
of
charlotte's
window
here
until
four
being
that
we
can't
have
leslie
for
that
conversation.
So
I
apologize
to
diane
that
we're
breaking
your
conversation
into
here.
It's
not
ideal,
I
recognize,
but
we
can
you
can
stay
here.
You
can
go.
We
can
find
you
at
four
or
whatever
your
preference
is.
C
H
All
right
great,
thank
you
and
we'll
be
back
to
you,
diane
thanks.
Okay,
thank
you.
Welcome,
charlotte
glad
to
see
you
here
good
to
see
you
all
right
and
we
look
like
we
have
the
full
team
here
from
finger
lakes,
development.
So
nells
do
you
want
to
bring
us
up
to
speed
as
to
where
we
are
and
then
maybe
we
can
turn
it
over
to
the
development
team.
D
Right,
we've
got:
we've
been
working
on
the
exclusive
negotiation
agreement
with
legal
review
and
it's
finally
been
completed,
and
it's
now
in
the
hands
of
the
developer
to
do
final
review
and
signatures.
So
we
should
really
be
under
contract.
Very
soon.
D
Common
council
has
endorsed
the
project
going
forward
a
couple
of
times
and
also
make
clear,
they're
really
focused
on
encouraging
activation
of
the
island
and
and
trying
to
design
a
project
that
will
attract
residents
to
the
island
for
a
variety
of
uses,
but
that's
part
of
the
goals
that
they've
set
out
they'd
like
to
see-
and
I
think
that's
shared
by
mostly
ira,
as
well
as
by
the
developer.
I
think
it's
there's
there's
common
grounds
of
the
goal,
but
then
there's
the
way
to
how
do
we
achieve
that?
D
And
so
this
meeting
is
set
up
to
have
a
consultation
between
the
developer
and
the
ira
ed
committee
to
explore
that
issue.
Primarily,
there
are
some
a
couple
of
revised
images
that
were
included
in
your
packet,
still
very
conceptual
early
in
the
process,
but
they
have.
You
know
the
development
team
has
kind
of
abandoned
their
original
parking
circulation
or
modified.
It
quite
a
bit
and
there's
some
clarifications
on
those
plans,
and
I
think
it
would
be
helpful.
You
know
basically
to
have
steve
and
the
team
from
widam
discuss.
D
You
know
any
you
know
point
out
issues
they
wanted
to
look
at
and
then
discuss
these
elements
about
how
activation
and
attracting
city
residents
to
the
island
are
built
into
the
project.
H
F
Okay,
so
perhaps
jacob
or
scott
or
kate
could
I
know,
can
we
share
the
screen
with
it
and
then,
if
the
team
there
wants
to
just
explain
the
changes
that
would
be
and
the
reasons
for
them
that'd
be
great.
M
I'll
do
that
as
soon
as
I
can,
and
I'm
doing
that
now
great
how's,
that
so
we
have
the
is
everyone
able
to
see
the
screen?
Okay,
great.
M
We
have
an
updated
conceptual
plan,
as
was
mentioned,
and
I'm
joined
by
my
colleagues,
scott
woodam
put
him
planning
and
design
principal
and
jacob
von
metco
senior
designer
and
I'll
give
kind
of
an
overview.
M
We
changed
the
circulation
of
tiganic
boulevard
to
become
a
two-way
street.
Previously
it
had
been
shown
as
a
one-way,
so
we've
also
so
as
we
go
down
here.
The
orientation
and
layout
of
the
parking
to
serve
the
boatyard
grill
has
not
changed,
but
we've
added
the
option
here
to
turn
around
earlier,
so
that,
basically
you
don't
get
stuck
way
up
here
and
have
to
turn
around
all
the
way
at
the
end
of
the
island.
M
So
there's
that
change
we've
also
been
working
with
the
client
team
on
how
access
and
circulation
for
the
stays
building,
which
is
a
long-term
hotel
space
works.
So
there's
now
a
drop-off
zone
proposed
here
and
parking
available
for
those
visitors.
The
anchor
affordable,
housing,
building
owned
and
managed
by
inhs
is
still
in
this
area.
M
This
is
a
very
early
scheme
and
will
benefit
from
further
architectural
iterations,
but
there's
parking
to
serve
that
building
and
general
public
who
are
visiting
the
site
and
parking
underneath
the
building
itself.
As
was
previously
shown,
we
have
a
parking
area
used
by
the
public
here
and
a
flexible
space
reinforced
lawn
here
so
that,
if
there's
some
type
of
event
or
activity
happening
on
the
inlet,
we
have
this
flexible
space
that
can
be
used
and
temporarily
driven
over
if
needed
so
jacob.
Is
there
anything
you'd
like
to
point
out.
E
Yeah,
so
one
of
the
concerns
with
this
site
is
the
the
activity
around
the
marina
and
this
being
a
working
waterfront
and
making
sure
that
there
isn't
or
as
little
as
possible,
that
there
are
conflicts
between
vehicles
and
the
operations
of
the
boat,
lift
taking
boats
in
and
out
of
the
water
which
happens
both
in
the
spring
and
the
fall
as
a
very,
very
active
location.
And
it's
right
at
the
entry
to
the
entire
site
right.
E
So
we
looked
at
the
possibility
of
doing
a
sort
of
a
temporary
detour
during
those
lift
operations
that
would
re-route
traffic
so
that
there's
maintained
emergency
access
and
so
that
there's
nothing
backing
up
traffic
during
the
times
when
the
lift
is
operating.
So
that
that's
why?
In
a
large
part,
you
see
that
the
two-way
traffic
and
the
alterations
to
the
traffic
patterns?
It's
responding
to
that
need
for
the
boat,
lift
to
maintain
its
operation
and
still
not
interfere
with
general
traffic
pattern
on
the
site.
M
So
that
about
covers
circulation-
and
we
just
want
to
point
out
also
that
we've
been
working
with
the
finger
lakes,
development
team
on
really
the
narrative
and
the
function
of
the
activated
spaces.
So
as
the
buildings
have
been
developed,
integrating
the
existing
coast
guard
structure
into
the
stays
really
opens
up
the
opportunity
for
there
to
be
rentable
space
by
members
of
the
public
to
have
a
medium
gathering,
and
it
would
be
right
on
the
water.
M
So
we
can
anticipate
that
this
would
be
a
really
beloved
space
to
have
a
party
or
a
reception
or
a
conference,
or
some
other
thing
right
on
the
waterfront
here,
and
you
can't
get
any
closer
than
that
that
building
goes
over
the
edge.
So
that
would
be
an
active
use.
There's
also
a
kind
of
dining
function,
cafe
kind
of
a
la
carte
as
part
of
the
stays.
M
There's
the
finger
lakes
boating
center
right
across
from
that
use,
so
there's
a
crossing
there.
This
is
the
place
where
you
buy
your
bait
or
your
life
jacket.
You
can
also
rent
a
pontoon
boat,
so
we
feel
that
this
new
project
working
on
the
inlet
island
project
benefits
this
existing
use
and
makes
it
even
more
present
for
people
to
access
piago
lake.
M
More
often
there
will
be
marine
retail
and
boat,
showing
that's
kind
of
boat
showing
off
space
outside,
and
the
vision
is
to
really
have
the
identity
even
more
present
of
the
working
waterfront,
the
that
being
an
integral
part
of
the
appeal
and
look
of
the
site
and
again
with
the
goal
of
bringing
people
down
to
the
water
to
go
and
enjoy
on
their
own.
M
And
finally,
as
we
look
at
how
the
stays
and
the
anchor
work
together,
we've
reoriented
the
plaza
space
to
be
more
between
the
two
and
activated
by
both
of
these
buildings.
So
this
can
accommodate
any
activity,
that's
sponsored
by
either
one
of
those
buildings
or
it
could
take
on
its
own
activity.
Food
carts,
food
trucks
and
other
things
could
be
driven
onto
it.
M
There
could
be
some
kind
of
community
event,
but
this
space
has
has
gotten
a
much
larger
footprint
than
previously
shown
and
activates
the
space
between
the
two
buildings
so
that
any
member
of
the
public
going
on
the
waterfront
trail
and
to
the
site
you
know
to
cayuga
at
gigantic
boulevard
passes
through
that
really
active
central
location.
N
M
So
with
that
we're
here
to
answer
any
questions
there
might
be
about
the
plans.
F
Yeah,
there
was
one
other
thing
I
think
I
think
we
wanted
to
highlight
was
by
directly
activating
the
coast
guard
auxiliary,
building
and
providing
that
would
be
the
place
where
we
could
offer
them
the
ability
to
have
meetings
which
is
a
so
that's
a
you
know
that
becomes
I
mean,
that's
in
the
response
to
the
demand
for
ground
level
activation
in
conjunction
with
the
docks
there,
which
are
because
of
the
location
and
how
they
are
structured.
They
are
low
to
the
water.
F
The
maintenance
of
those
is
really
very
important
to
be
able
to
offer
access
to
the
public
a
reason
to
come
down
right
now.
They
are
closed
off
to
the
public
and
by
activating
the
coast
guard
building
and
making
those
open
to
the
public
and
specifically
kayakers,
because
you
can't
get
into
a
kayak
unless
the
dock
is
a
low
to
the
water.
And
so
that's
why
we
want
to
see
those
docs
remain
as
they
are
because
it'll
go
to
the
water.
F
N
I
think
that's
that's
our
smell.
A
I
have
a
question
one
of
the
issues
as
a
regular
user
of
the
waterfront
trailer.
There
are
very
few
amenities
along
the
trail
to
get
you
know,
coffee
or
tea
or
ice
cream
or
sandwich.
Do
you
anticipate
that
the
the
stays
would
have
sort
of
some
kind
of
retail
operation
for
refreshments,
for
users
of
the
trail
or
other
people
that
are
using
that
area
for
an
afternoon
or
recreation?.
K
K
K
So
if
you're
on
the
bike
trail
or
the
waterfront
trail-
and
you
want
to
stop
in
and
and
get
breakfast,
you
can
do
that
too.
So
it
will
not
be.
We
don't
perceive
it
being
open
for
dinner,
but
in
in
the
morning
in
the
early
afternoon,
yes,
you'll
be
able
to
do
that.
K
Ice
in
the
production
ice
cream
in
a
refrigerator
I
mean
I
don't
know.
H
I'm
sure
having
ice
cream
would
with
garner
certain
common
council
votes,
yeah
or
yeah.
K
You
have
the
marriott
there's,
there's
an
ice
cream,
kiosk,
it's
and-
and
it
does
get
a
lot
of
use.
H
Yeah,
I
think
you
know-
I
think
you
know
steve
you've
heard
this,
because
you've
been
at
all
the
common
council
discussions.
I
think
I
think
the
key
will
be.
How
do
we?
How
does
this
project
present?
That,
as
maybe
semi-permanent,
is
the
word
right?
You
know
so
you
know
what
is
the
developer
committing
to
in
terms
of
some
level
of
infrastructure
so
that
it's
literally
plug
and
play?
H
H
But
if
you
go
to
the
island,
there's
this
stuff,
there's
a
little
coffee
counter
inside
the
states
and
then
in
the
afternoon
there's
you
know
these
other
things
that
are
kind
of
there.
I
think
you
know
they
kind
of
visually,
see
that
I
think
you
know
kind
of
might
be
important.
Sorry
doug,
I
jumped
in
on
your
questioning,
but
I
just
wanted
to
no.
I
have
to
grab
that
grab
that
point
covered.
It
really.
I
Yeah,
I
would
agree,
I
think
I
think
the
design
is
much
improved
and
it
does
a
really
good
job
of
integrating
the
uses
on
the
site
and
I
think
that'll
go
a
long
way
with
the
public
so
having
the
common
use,
spaces
that
are
shared
between
the
buildings
and
to
the
extent
that
you
can
make
kind
of
the
architecture
look
similar
so
that
the
anchor
and
the
stays
the
the
residents
on
the
island
look
like
an
integrated
place.
I
I
think
that
would
meet
a
need
that
others
see
in
the
community
to
have
low
income
housing.
That's
that's
integrated
with
other
types
of
housing,
so
it
doesn't
look
like.
Oh
here's,
the
low
income
facility
and
here's
the
stays.
I
think,
to
the
extent
that
you
could
have
them
look
the
same.
I
think
that
would
meet
a
lot
more
needs
just
kind
of
visually,
and
then
the
people
at
the
anchor
could
feel
really
great
about
going
and
having
a
big
event
at
the
coast.
I
Guard
meeting,
room
or
folks
who
are
at
the
stays
could
feel
great
about
going
to
have
an
event
on
the
park
lawn.
So
the
extent
that
you
can
kind
of
integrate
that
I
think
that'll
go
further
but
still
having
great
public
access
is,
is
great
and
I
love
the
the
kayak
dock
and
all
of
that,
so
I
think
it's
it's
much
improved
and
the
parking
layout
works
better
as
well.
H
M
It's
a
very
technical
term
and
I
I
don't
have
an
exact
figure,
but
the
last
time
we
looked
at
it.
It
looked
between
20
30
people.
Does
that
sound
about
right,
jeffrey
and
steve.
H
So
if
you
connect
these
things
together,
right
like
you've
got
that
space,
which
is
the
coast
guard
and
the
meeting
room
you've
got
the
lawn
you've
got
that
hybrid
activity
space
you
get
that
reinforced
park,
you
got
the
waterfront
trail
drops
all
around
it,
and
presumably
you
know
I
don't
know
if
the
boatyard
grill
would
want
to
cater
kinds
of
things,
but
presumably
it's
an
opportunity
right.
You
know,
so
it
seems
like
to
be
able
to
kind
of
talk
about
how
you
know
the
the
ability
to
have
mid-size
events
that
are
open.
H
It's
got
options
for
both
indoor
and
outdoor
capability,
and
you
know
with
tenting,
I'm
sure,
etc.
So,
just
another
idea
of
just
how
to
kind
of
get
to
charlotte's
point
of
telling
an
integrated
story
about
what
all
those
pieces
are,
and
that
seems
like
it's.
Oh,
this
is
intentional
right.
This
is
something
that
someone
in
this
development
could
market
right
out
to
the
community,
and
that
is
an
activated
use.
That's
going
to
bring
residents
down
as
well
as
visitors.
It
would
seem
to
me
so
that's
my
two
cents
on
that.
If
you're
interested.
M
Absolutely
and
we've
had
some
early
discussions
with
steve
and
jeffrey
about
how
this
all
fits
together
it.
It
may
not
all
be
shown
as
clearly
as
it
could
on
this
plan,
but
we
are
thinking,
as
you
say,
urban
space
is
valuable
and
to
utilize
it
as
best
as
we
can
throughout
all
the
seasons
and
thinking
about
how
to
make
it
work.
Also
incl,
in
conjunction
with
having
a
working
waterfront,
that
those
conversations
have
made
their
way
into
the
design.
H
N
This
read
as
one
neighborhood
as
one
new
place
right
that
has
shared
resources,
that
that
has
some
transparency
and
fluidity.
You
know
within
both
the
built
environment
and
the
the
natural
edge.
So
thanks.
That's
that's
really.
I
I
think
if
you
could
also
integrate
something
like
public
art
into
the
design
process,
that
would
also
get
folks
more
on
board
that
this
is
not
just
a
community
for
the
people
that
are
lucky
enough
to
live
on
the
island,
but
it's
a
community
for
folks
throughout
ithaca.
So
if
you
can
have
like
some
sort
of
vertical
public
art
space
or
something
that
could
rotate
or
change
or
just
a
way
to
get
people
bought
into
the
process
of
the
design,
I
think
that
would
help.
H
Here
again,
some
councilors
have
concerns
that
that
people
will
perceive
as
private
and
some
of
that
actually
is
in
the
control
of
the
city
right.
So
as
you
go,
what
is
that
south
on
the
island
right
you're,
then
outside
of
the
development
window
of
this
right,
in
that
section
that
runs
in
front
of
island,
health
and
fitness
and
then
connects
around
over
on
to
buffalo
street?
So
I
think
we
do
need
to
start
thinking
early
on
with
the
city
about
well.
How
is
that
infrastructure
going
to
be
improved?
K
K
I
think
if
we
invest
some
some
energy
into
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
make
it
a
safer
passage
underneath
we
can
connect
the
stays
and
the
anchor
right
up
to
the
health
center
to
fitness.
K
It's
about
lighting,
you
know
getting
permission
to
put.
You
know
proper
lighting,
underneath
the
bridge
connecting
up
lighting
to
the
you
know,
so
that
that
it's
bright
so
that
that's
safe
that
you'll
be
you
know
you
can
walk
under
it
in
the
evening.
If
you're
at
you
know
you're
taking
a
swim,
you
could
come
back
or
if
you're
working
out
at
the
gym,
you
could
come
back.
You
feel
safe,
not
have
to
walk
over
the
highway.
You
can
walk
underneath.
F
F
E
Yeah,
so
so,
what's
shown
here
connecting
to
the
existing
sidewalk
that
that
comes
on
old
technic
boulevard
is
a
continuation
of
the
six
foot
wide
profile
and
then
elsewhere
throughout
the
site.
We
have.
It
widened
up
to
eight
feet
and
I
believe
here
where
it
is
actually
along
the
waterfront
itself.
E
M
N
H
Right
because
one
of
the
I
one
of
the
benefits
I
think
of
the
design
you
know
as
initially
conceived
right
is
that
you
could
loop
around
right.
So,
whereas
now
it
kind
of
ends
at
the
point,
the
idea
was,
it
would
loop
around
somehow
right.
So
I
guess
you'd
have
to
sort
of
think
that,
through
in
terms
of
safety
and
widths
and
so
on,
right.
F
I
I
don't,
I
mean
you've
got
a
25
foot
walkway
going
out
to
the
point
and
by
and
there's
a
natural
pinch
point
underneath
the
bridge
there.
I
don't
know
what
the
dimension
that
sidewalk
is,
but
I
would
not
anticipate
with
all
the
traffic
that
people
are
going
to
be
right.
Bicycling
on
the
sidewalk
inside
you
know
of
this
development.
F
You
know
in
front
of
the
stairs
stays
or
in
front
of
the
anchor.
You
know
on
the
water
side.
Yes,
but
here
I
think,
with
all
the
pedestrians
and
stuff
from
the
congestions,
the
vertical
east-west
paths,
possibly
yeah
yeah.
N
And
so
we
should
be
clear
in
our
site
plan
about
that.
What
what
is
a
shared
pedestrian
bicycle
route?
What
is
vehicular
and
bicycle
and
right.
H
N
N
H
In
our
and
our
concern
like
from
this
committee's
concern
right,
our
concern
is
really
sort
of
the
integration
right
and
and
the
attractiveness
of
the
concept,
and
then
the
planning
board
will
work
with
you
guys
on
a
whole
lot.
You
know
the
next
level
of
detail,
but
I
think
at
least
at
this
level,
yeah
making
sure
that
someone
could
see
like
right.
How
does
this
connect
into
all
of
the
other
pieces
that
are
in
that
area?
I
think
it's
the
question.
N
H
Otherwise,
it's
just
it's
an
island
anyway,
nels
had
think
head
hand
and
then
charlotte.
D
Just
a
couple
of
quick
items
here,
one
is
that
I
see
on
the
an
image
the
pier
at
the
end
of
the
island,
and
that
was,
I
think,
that's
still
part
of
the
project.
Is
that
right?
D
Yes,
the
public
access
pier,
because
I
think
that's
an
attraction
for
people
who
are
walking
on
able
to
get
to
a
destination
like
that.
Secondly,
the
city
is
currently
actively
working
quite
hard,
and
I
think
it's
going
to
be
productive
to
allow
public
tour
boats
to
die
a
cop
on
a
transient
basis
along
that
wider
portion
of
the
waterway
south
of
the
coast
guard
auxiliary
and
that
probably
could
be
in
place
even
for
the
2022
summer
season.
D
Unless
we
run
into
some
obstacles
and
there's
a
there
are
several
operators
who
are
interested
in
operating
or
you
know,
bringing
on
customers
at
that
location,
picking
them
up
and
dropping
them
off
there
and
some
transit
docking.
So
that's
another
attraction
to
the
waterfront
that
is
a
water
dependent
use.
Potentially
tom
knight
is
probably
the
best
person
in
city
hall
to
talk
about
talk
with
about
that
initiative.
D
I
think
that
when
you
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
pedestrian
walking
system
that
makes
it
easy
for
people
to
walk
to
the
restaurant
as
well
from
the
southern
part
of
the
island.
It's
now
you
know-
or
maybe
you
direct
them
to
the
waterfront
trail.
I
don't
know
one
way
or
the
other,
but
it's
a
little
bit
convoluted
to
walk
safely
from
from
the
base
on
this
planet.
I'm
sure
that
the
transportation
and
division
of
engineering
will
would
be
happy
to
talk
with
you
about
their
ideas.
D
On
that
I
do
think
this
is
an
improved
design,
though
from
what
we
saw
before.
So
I
think
it's
a
good
starting
point,
but
I
think
there'll
be
some
refinements
on
that
and
and
finally,
the
city
has
had
quite
good
success
with
kayak
storage
located
near
kayak
boat
launches.
You
might
want
to
consider
you
know,
provision
of
some
ability
for
people
to
put
in
and
then
store
their
kayaks
near
the
once.
It
then
keeps
you
know,
makes
it
much
more
easier
for
people
to
then
come
to
the
island
and
use
that
facility.
D
D
H
Okay,
I'm
mindful
that
it's
405,
so
unless
any
committee
member
has
any
other
burning
suggestions,
I
think
we're
all
in
agreement
that
this
is
moved
forward
and
I
think
you've
taken
on
board
a
lot
of
our
suggestions,
I'm
getting
a
thumbs
up
from
charlotte
doug,
you
good
yes,
last
chance
still
on
the
team.
Is
there
anything
else?
You
want
us
to
make
sure
that
we're
aware
of
as
you
progress
here.
N
And
see.
F
We
we
also
certainly
appreciate
your
input
and
we'll
keep
working
on
it.
H
All
right
yeah
one
step
at
a
time,
but
it's
moving
forward.
So
thank
you
again
very
much.
Thanks
all
for
coming
and
happy
new
year,
we'll
see
you
in
2022,
I'm
sure.
M
G
H
And
diane
are
you
there
and
can
hear
us
and
come
back
in
or
there
we
go
there.
She
is
perfect,
okay,
so
putting
our
brains
back
on
finger
lakes,
reuse.
I
think
the
last
thing
we
heard
from
diane
was
boy.
It
would
be
good
if
this
wasn't
a
loan
on
your
balance
sheet,
and
could
we
do
this
as
a
grant?
And
my
question
for
now
is
just
sort
of
picking
up
right.
There
is
so
you're
proposing.
I
think
again.
D
Well,
the
question
I
mean,
I
think,
there's
two
steps
there
there's
there's
the
reallocation
and
then
there's
a
question
whether
there's
a
you
know
a
plan
on
how
to
augment
it
with
additional
funding
support
the
trick
with
a
grant
for
a
job
retention
activity
is
if
the
jobs
are
not
retained,
then
it's
an
eligible
activity
and
the
ira
and
city
are
responsible
repay
the
hud
for
it.
So
there's
a
risk
level
that
if
it
doesn't
work
out
the
way
everybody
planned,
we
may
have
to
repay
the
funds
to
hud.
B
And
then
the
question
is
jumping
in
there
jumping
in
there
on
the
grant
forgivable
loan
thing.
One
of
the
things
that
you
and
I
had
talked
about
was
the
possibility
of
an
accelerated
timetable
table
for
a
loan
forgiveness
upon
fulfillment
of
the
purpose
of
the
forgivable
loan.
The
retention
of
the
positions
for
our
two
consecutive
calendar
quarters
would
that
be
a
possibility.
D
That's
a
question
I
want
to.
I
would
want
to
bring
up
with
the
ed
committee,
because
normally
we
release
people
from
job
reporting
after
they
have
two
consecutive
quarters
of
reaching
their
goal,
but
in
a
job
retention
activity
where
we're
basically
paying
for
several
months
of
salary
to
retain
them.
D
I'm
not
sure
that
that
really
satisfies
the
you
know.
The
the
job
needs
to
be
retained
past
the
time
period
when
the
ira
funds
are
supporting
the
position
directly,
and
so
I
was
trying
to
look
at
a
time
frame.
That
was,
you
know
two
consecutive
quarters,
plus
some
time
I
put
in
the
resolution
june
of
2023,
because
you're
kind
of
building
this
program
is
based
on
kind
of
a
one-year
funding
cycle
for
assistance.
D
So
I
thought
we,
it
really
should
go
a
little
bit
longer
than
one
year
to
show
that
the
jobs
are
still
there.
I
just
randomly
essentially
chose
you
know
a
year
and
a
half
from
now,
as.
C
A
target
six
quarters
of
job
retention
is
what
you're
you
said,
someone
arbitrarily
proposing
rob
and
diane
what
would
be
the
negative
impacts
for
you
having
the
unwanted
additional
liabilities
on
your
balance
sheet
for
a
year
and
a
half.
B
Well,
just
because
of
the
circumstances
that
we're
currently
in
as
we
work
with
other
funders
and
financial
institutions
are
equity
deficit
is
a
conversation
that
we
have
all
the
time
and
our
auditors
have
also
very
responsibly
taken
a
notice
of
the
fact
that
even.
I
B
It's
entirely
explainable.
We
have
a
substantial
equity
deficit
at
this
point
in
time.
However,
if
we
did
have
a
forgivable
loan
that
I
could
just
sort
of
magically
amortize
into
revenue
at
the
future
period
of
2023,
that
that
would
also
be
a
way
of
making
those
conversations
easier.
I
B
Terms
of,
for
example,
getting
us
a
refinance
on
the
the
elmhira
road
property,
which
would
give
us
a
much
more
favorable
interest
rate,
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah
blah.
L
And
just
a
note
about
this,
you
know
we've
committed
to
trying
to
close
this
net
asset
deficit.
So
this
it
just
kind
of
tips
us
back
in
the
wrong
direction
for
at
least
momentarily
and
just
to
explain
it.
It's
it's
up
over
six
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
part
of
it
that
I've
I've
asked
about
is
we're
not
allowed
to
value
our
building.
That
has
been.
I
think,
we've
had
three
appraisals
now
over
the
last
several
years.
L
It's
repeat
our
buildings
repeatedly
appraised
over
two
million
dollars,
but
because
we
bought
it
for
1.25,
that's
what
it's
on
our
books
at
or
1.5.
One
point
I
think
it
was
1.25,
plus
the
interest
ended
up
being
1.5
that
we
paid
out,
but
so
like
we're
on
the
books.
We
look
uglier
than
we
are
we're
beautiful
in
reality,
but
and
also
as
far
as
the
you
know,
any
nervousness
about
will
we
be
able
to
retain
the
jobs.
I
can't
share
my
screen,
but
my
our
sales
are
just
going
up.
L
We've
had
even
with
kovid
they're
continuing
to
go
up.
We
did
we
started
2020
with
50
employees
and
we
ended
with
80.
At
the
end
of
2020,
we
ended
with
80.,
and
then
you
know
there
were
many
disruptions
and
it's
you
know.
It's
been
like
trying
to
hold
a
pretty
crazy
rocket
ship
together,
but
we're
still
at
80
right
now
and
and
so
much
promise
to
grow
more
so
we're
and
we're
trying
to
stabilize.
We
actually
did
a
we
needed
more
people,
more
space
and
more
staff.
L
That's
been
clear
for
several
years,
but
what
we
focused
on
was
more
space
but
retail
space
so
that
we
could
have
a
revenue
generating
expansion.
So
that's
what
we
did
up
at
trip
hammer
and
that's
really
tr
hammer,
even
though
fewer
people
shop
there
slightly
fewer
the
sales
are,
are
now
regularly
exceeding
the
ethical
review
center,
which
is
a
much
busier
place,
but
but
the
but
the
trip
hammer
reuse
mega
center.
It's
so
much
square
footage.
L
We're
allowed
to
get
so
much
stuff
onto
the
floor
that
our
sales
are
now
exceeding
and
they're
going
to
continue
to
grow
up,
go
up
as
we
actually
get
more
people
going
there.
So
we're
doing
about
an
average
of
six
thousand
dollars
in
sales
a
day
and
that
cash
is
just
going
to
keep
coming
at
us
with
our
supply
chain
eruption.
We
have
no
shortage
of
supply,
so
the
demand
is
going
to
be
there.
We
are
one
thing
we
are
looking
at
on
our
end
to
try
to
mitigate
things.
L
We
we're
going
to
sell
more
than
700
000
items
this
year,
if
we
add
50
cents
onto
every
price,
every
price
tag
that's
potentially
over
300
thousand
dollars
of
additional
revenue.
So
we're
you
know
making
small
tweaks
like
that,
so
we
can
kind
of
share
the
load
of
trying
to
keep
things
in
balance
or
what
we're
looking
at
and
also
mel's.
L
Just
for
a
point
of
correction,
since
rob
didn't
hear
you
say
it,
it's
me
you
made
it
sound
like
we
were
two
years
behind
on
trying
to
expend
the
the
training
money,
but
I
I
think
we
just
completed
the
voucher
for
the
for
the
last
year,
so
I
I
think
we're
about
a
year
behind,
but
not
it
sounded
like
two,
the
way
you
said
it.
Well,
maybe
I'm
misunderstood.
D
I
think
we
just
fully
expanded
the
2019
funds.
Now
2019
is
a
little
bit
of
a
misnomer
because
you,
you
only
get
access
to
the
very
end
of
2019
to
start
spending,
but
we
do
have
two
years
of
funds
that
have
yet
to
have
any
disbursements
against
might
think
rob
indicated
he
was
preparing
a
voucher,
for
you
know
one
voucher
for
20
or
30
000
or
was
in
the
works
for
that
yeah.
I'm.
D
Yeah
there
we
there
in
the
proposed
resolution
there
is
an
alternative
approach
to
dealing
with
the
you
know.
The
repayment
question,
which
is
you
know
if
there
was
a
personal
guarantor
to
the
ira,
who
is
willing
to
take
that
risk
and
say
that
if
the
jobs
are
not
created,
then
we
could
certainly
release
the
funds
much
earlier
we
would
have.
The
forgiveness
could
could
occur
much
earlier
if
there
was
some
person
or
some
entity
that
would
provide
a
personal
financial
guarantee
to
secure
the
ira
funding.
L
H
So
would
maybe-
and
I
think
it
maybe
nelson
said
something
about
this
at
the
very
beginning,
but
in
light
of
what
diane
just
said
in
terms
of
like
sales
going
all
in
the
right
direction
and
all
the
changes
you're
making
that
are
increasing
revenue.
What's
the
fundamental
challenge
in
terms
of
bringing
the
expenses
in
line
so
that
you're
actually
generating
that
income
as
opposed
to
net
loss.
L
We've
been,
as
you
might
imagine,
actively
looking
at
that
we
we
had
on
our
our
projected
year-end
for,
for
this
december
had
been
400
000
in
the
spring
and
the
summer
I
mean
it
was
a
pretty
serious
gap
and
we've
been
able
to
close
it
successfully
and
we're
continuing
to
you
know
some
of
it
was
fundraising.
Some
of
it
was
operational.
You
know
just
corralling
as
much
as
we
can.
We
grew
a
lot
and
then
trying
to
get
we.
L
We
look
very
actively
at
like
our
sales
per
labor
hour
and
we
have
two
locations,
so
we
can
compare
performance,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we're
actively
doing
is
we
went
from
having
one
manager
at
each
location
to
two
managers
at
each
location,
one
who
was
kind
of
front
of
the
house
and
one
was
back
at
the
house
and
we've
been
doing
that
all
year.
It
didn't
really
make
things
more
efficient.
We
had
three
assistant
managers
at
each
location.
L
Our
sales
for
labor
hour
has
been
consistently
going
up
throughout
the
fall
throughout
very
challenging
work
environments
that
the
volume
of
materials
that
the
public
is
bringing
us
is
astounding
and
right
now
we're
in
the
process
of
moving
out
of
the
700
west,
buffalo
street
location,
the
former
green
star
and
moving
into
we
just
leased
the
the
part
of
the
where
one
of
the
warehouses
in
the
d.o.t
site
so
we're
moving
over.
L
L
Do
it
with
as
affordably
as
possible
so
having
free
union
labor?
It
was
definitely
a
coup
this
week
and
as
far
as
internally,
we're
looking
at
our
price
points
we're
looking
at
how
we
talk
about
things.
L
We
we're
forming
a
pricing
strategy
committee,
this
winter,
that's
going
to
have
it's
going
to
be
inclusive
in
terms
of
not
just
staff
making
the
decisions,
but
there
will
be
a
couple
of
board
members
and
then
some
of
our
top
shoppers
will
be
weighing
in
trying
to
get
some
diversity
and
some
a
range
of
opinions
about
a
clear
pricing
strategy
to
try
to
you
know.
L
Our
expenses
are
about
as
tightly
wrangled
as
they
possibly
can
be,
and
while
yes,
we've
added
expenses
in
terms
of
staffing
louder
than
ever,
clamoring
from
the
staff
that
we
need
more
staff
has
been
pretty
crazy
this
year,
and
so
I
became
a
little
bit
unpopular
for
not
you
know
helping
provide
that
relief.
L
The
one
new
imposition
that
we
are
creating
as
a
volunteer
coordinator
so
and
we're
interviewing
right
now
and
we're
really
excited
because
we've
interviewed
some
great
people,
but
we
lost
a
bunch
of
our
core
volunteers
because
they
were
at
that
high
risk
age
group
at
the
beginning
of
covid
that
were
a
big
part
of
our
labor
force.
So
we're
trying
to
we're
working
to
replace
that
now.
B
And
if
I
could
just
sort
of
jump
into
a
piggy
put
back
off
of
diane,
she
just
covered
what
I
was
going
to
lead
with.
We
lost
our
volunteer
corps
to
the
pandemic.
B
You
know,
which
has
been
a
a
significant
disruption
to
operations
to
your
specific
question
about
hurdles,
bringing
things
back
into
balance.
It's
a.
I
B
Getting
ourselves
back
into
balance
in
terms
of
supporting
our
growth
and
filling
some
of
the
holes
that
we've
developed
related
to
some
of
the
pandemic
problems.
You
know,
2020
is
a
terrible
comparison
year
as
a
kumquat
in
the
apple
basket,
but
you
know
if
we
look
at
2019,
you
know
looking
at
the
current
year
2021.
B
J
B
B
Diane,
and
I
have
picked
up
on
a
member
of
my
department's
description
that
reuse
has
had
a
supply
chain
eruption.
We've
been
absolutely
inundated
with
everything
from
the
houses
of
the
people,
who've
been
in
lockdown
cleaning
up
and
saying
you
know
what
I
don't
actually
need
on
susie's
dresser
anymore.
Let's
just.
N
B
Just
give
it
to
reuse
so
and
that
and
reused
goods
take
a
lot
of
labor
to
process
in
order
to
make
them
saleable
and
make
sure
that
people
are
getting
a
safe
items
and
so
forth.
So
we've
had
this
explosion.
Our
sales
growth
is
going
in
the
right
direction.
B
Like
we've
been,
we
spent
this
year
trying
to
implement
efficiencies
in
donation,
processing
and
flow
from
the
donor
to
the
sales
floor
here
at
the
ithaca
ryu
center,
where
our
main
offices
are
also
located
doing
the
reuse
mega
center
transition
up
at
trip.
B
Hammer
which
you
know
by
square
footage,
is
most
likely
the
largest
secondhand
store
in
upstate
new
york
and
maybe
maybe
next
year,
we'll
get
back
to
a
destination
shopping
being
a
thing,
and
you
know
there's
an
entire
possibility
that
we
could
market
ourselves
to
be
as
much
of
a
draw
for
a
novelty
seekers
as
some
outlet
malls
or
something
you
know,
but
there's
a
lot
of
questions
as
far
as
we've
got
all
of
these
plans
and
there
are
good
plans,
but
they
haven't
materialized
yet
other
than
the
fact
that
the
mega
center
has
been
ramping
up.
B
You
know
it
broke
its
record
for
all-time
monthly
sales
in
june
of
this
year
by
hitting
80
000
a
month.
Now
it's
well
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
month.
You
know
so
it's
going
in
the
right
direction,
but
you
know
we've
got
a
lot
of
stabilization
to
do,
which
is
you
know
why
we
are
now
looking
at
significantly
needing
to
do
a
staff
contraction.
While
we
realize
the
benefits
of
the
all
of
these
projects
that
we've
got
in
place.
I
B
Find
out
the
answers
on
some
of
our
other
efforts
that
are
out
there
like
securing
support
from
the
county
through
their
recovery
fund
and
so
forth,
which
we
have
support
on
the
legislature.
But
you
know
we
don't
have
a
yes
answer
right
now
and
you
know
given
how
much
of
a
pummeling
we,
like
many
other
enterprises,
have
taken
from
the
pandemic.
B
Not
considering
it
responsible
to
budget
on
the
basis
of
some
really
good
plans
and
some
promising
words
from
funders
who
haven't
had
a
vote
yet.
H
Nails
and
crew
I
only
have
until
4
30,
so
well
opening
under
the
gun.
Here
I
mean
certainly
the
county-
I
mean
all
right.
I
don't
want
to
get
into
the
why
I
think
the
county
should
be
giving
you
funding.
Let's
put
that
aside.
D
You
know,
I
think
I
think
one
thing
that
would
be
fruitful
to
look
at
is
that
the
resolution
talks
about
a
condition
of
approval
approval,
based
on
what
the
2022
budget
looks
like
you
know,
I
think
if
the
budget
is
showing
as
balanced
based
on
their
projection
of
sales
and
expenses,
there's
a
lower
risk
profile
to
us.
If
you
go
into
2022
and
the
budget
is
showing
a
500
000
operating
deficit,
then
there's
a
higher
risk
that
these
jobs
are
not
going
to
be
able
to
be
retained.
D
L
Gotten
a
final
number
on
what
our
sales
projection
is
for
we're
talking
with
the
managers
right
now
and
getting
there
yeah.
D
Somehow
a
condition
tied
back
to
the
budget
that
shows
a
you
know.
A
balanced
budget
reduces
risk
for
the
ira,
and
when
I
and
just
one
other
point
when,
if
the
ira
does
have
to
repay
the
loan,
it's
not
using
cdbg
funds
to
repay
those
repay
hud,
we
have
to
go
into
local
funds.
So
it's
you
know
it's
a
pretty
serious
issue.
If
we
don't
achieve
our
goals
with
with
job
retention,.
H
D
Requesters
were
150,
the
20
20
funds
that
were
awarded
for
job
training
were
75
000
that
can
be
reallocated.
It's
not
an
eligible
use
of
the
ed
loan
fund,
because
it's
not
for
acquisition
or
or
construction
activity.
What
the
agency
could
do
is
reprogram
ed
loan
fund
balance
to
to
to
augment
this
project.
This
community
economic
development
project
carried
out
by
a
cbdo.
That
is
a
possibility.
D
D
No
because
finger
lakes
is
talking
about
five
full
jobs
of
job
retention
for
the
150
000.
Oh.
C
D
Well,
that's
the
yeah,
that's
the
magic
question
because
it's
it.
We've
always
looked
at
job
retention
as
needing
to
go
beyond
the
time
period
when
the
ira
is
actually
funding
the
job
position,
because
that's
not
sustainable,
that's
not
proving
sustainability
so
some
time
period
beyond
that
12-month
program,
I
guess
that
the
ira
is
assisting
in
the
funding.
H
And
this
came
up
with
another
applicant
at
one
point,
which
is
you
know,
there
were
five
named
roles
here:
four
named
roles:
one
of
them's
got
two
people
in
it.
If,
if
finger
lakes,
we
use
had
to
do
a
staff
contraction
but
didn't
affect
these
jobs.
How
does
that
affect
job
retention?
Are
we
talking
about
maintaining
a
certain
number
of
fdes
in
total
or
we're
trying
to
adjust
these
five
we're.
D
B
I
D
D
B
And
to
the
point
of
retention
past
the
period
supported
by
this
activity,
you
know.
A
B
Certainly
have
a
every
intention
of
retaining
those
positions
longer
we're
expecting
that
this
to
be
to
be
a
stabilization
support
as
we
come
out
of
our
current
pandemic
reeling
not
expecting
another
paycheck
protection
program
alone,
I
mean
gosh,
I'd
love
another
one
of
those
I
eat
them
for
breakfast,
but.
B
The
like
the
the
positions
that
we've
included
in
this
proposal
are
important
positions.
Eliminating
them
would
or
will
create.
You
know
some
real
negative
impacts
on
the
organization,
but
if
you
know.
B
To
contract
more
than
our
bare
minimum
that
we're
gonna
do,
they
would
be
ones
that
we'd
suspend
as
far
as
long-term
maintenance.
You
know
these
are
also
positions
that
I
I
expect
that
we
would
probably
seriously
look
at
doing
a
furlough
instead
of
just
a
layoff
or
a
position,
elimination
with
the
intention
of
trying
to
just
rehire
them
after
we
stabilize
without
support
like
this
from
ira.
B
You
know
like
these
are
important
positions.
The
organization
wants
them
if
we
have
to
eliminate
them,
they're
ones
that
we're
going
to
recreate
once
we
restabilize.
H
But
that's
kind
of
I
guess
where
I'm
at
is.
As
this
conversation
has,
you
know
kind
of
traveled
to
this
point,
and
it
just
you
know,
I'm
I'm
very
open
to
being
convinced,
because
trying
to
you
know,
we've
got
such
a
long-term
relationship
here
like
trying
to
figure
out
how
to
do
it,
but
the
way
it's
structured
right
now
with
the
information
we
have
doesn't
feel
like.
I
can
support
that.
L
I
will,
I
guess
one
thing
I'll
say:
is
our
board
is
meeting
on
december
27th
or
28th,
whatever
the
tuesday
is
to
finalize
the
budget,
so
having
information
helping
us
know
which
way
we're
going
is
going
to
help
us
a
lot,
because
we
are
facing
probably
doing
something,
some
sort
of
cutting.
If
we
don't
know
what
kind
of
help
we
have,
the
board
won't
pass.
A
deficit
budget
it'll
be
a
a
pretty
solid,
balanced
budget,
so
that
will
be
something
that's
finalized
by
the
end
of
the
year.
L
You
know
we're
we're
appealing
for
help
right
now.
That's
so
any
kind
of
creativity
that
you
can
come
up
with
would
be
we'd.
Be
really
grateful
for
I
I
will
say
that
we've
been
we've
been
a
long-term
partner
and
I
would
love
to
you
know
leverage
some
of
the.
You
know
responsibility
and
you
know,
just
I
don't
know,
we've
got
a
strong
board.
We've
got,
I
think,
strong
leadership
here
in
the
organization.
L
D
Is
there
a
way
to
have
the
organization
develop
a
a
contingent
budget
or
two
budgets,
one
with
ira
assistance
and
one
without
and
then
we
compare
the
difference
and
we
would
know
that
if
there
was
assistance
provided
this,
it
would
be
a
balanced
budget.
But
in
that
you
know
there
would
be
probably
a
higher
expense,
because
you'd
have
more
staff,
perhaps
and
another
budget
which
is
without
the
assistance.
And
then
we
would
know
that
there
would
be
a
balanced
budget
going
forward
and
it
would
give
us
time
to
absorb
the
ideas.
C
I
I
I
want
to
kind
of
riff
on
what
chris
was
saying.
I
feel
like
there's
so
much
complication
to
the
various
options.
You
know,
I'm
not
even
sure
how
many
different
options
we've
already
discussed,
and
each
of
them
has
some
pros
and
some
cons,
and
it
feels
like
too
much
to
clarify
you
know
to
cut
through
all
that
and
say
this
is
the
best
way,
the
safest,
the
best
for
everybody.
C
Let's
do
this
one,
and
I
don't
know
if,
if
nells,
if
it's
something
that
you
can
make
a
magic
chart,
because
you're
often
really
good
at
taking
the
confusion
and
saying
here's
what
option
one
two
and
three
pros
and
cons
it's
it's
an
awful
lot
to
digest
and
honestly
diane
and
rob.
If
I
had
an
extra
million
sitting
around,
I
would
just
say
here:
take
it
knock
yourselves
out.
C
Unfortunately,
I
don't-
and
I
I
feel,
like
the
iura
can
probably
say
we're
committed
to
being
your
partner
and
helping
you
in
some
way,
but
we
just
can't
today,
since
chris
is
already
four
minutes
over
his
available
time.
We
can't
today
suddenly
make
a
decision
because
it
would
be
a
little
bit.
L
Yeah
we're
happy
to
come
back
in
january.
If
you
guys
will
have
us
and
keep
this
conversation
going,
and
we
can
give
you
an
update
where
we
are.
If
that's,
if
that's
what
you're,
if
we're
talking
about,
we
can
think
a
little
more
about
what
mechanism
right
might
work.
Our
our
issue
is
right
now,
every
person
that
we
lose
they
are
generally
operating
in
operations
at
a
surplus.
So
we
lose
the
ability
to
put
stuff
on
the
shelves
and
generate
revenue,
so
it
it
sends
us
in
a
back
slide
in
the
you
know.
L
So
that's
that's
the
great
challenge
and
a
quarter
of
our
workforce,
we're
formally
on
public
assistance,
so
20
of
our
80
employees
and
we've
been
many
of
them
have
been
with
us
for
five
and
10
years.
So
you
know
really
proud
of
of
being
able
to
maintain
that
stability
for
them,
but
we're
we're
just
we're
hitting
a
patch
where
well,
we've
been
in
a
patch
and
we've
been
able
to
retain
everything
until
now.
H
Yeah-
and
I
think
so
I
think,
there's
generally
always
an
appetite
to
keep
the
conversation
going.
So
I
think
that
we
should
definitely
do,
and
I
think,
if
you
end
up
running
like
one
more,
the
fifth
contingency
is,
as
rob
said,
if
you
get
the
board
to
kind
of
sign
off
on
what
exactly
your
budget
is,
and
I
and
again
I
think
I
think
it's
just
I
don't.
H
That's
the
challenge
that
I'm
kind
of
running
up
against
and
and
again
maybe
with
a
little
bit
more
time,
we
would
all
figure
out.
What's
the
creative
magic
formula
that
meets
everybody's
criteria,.
D
D
D
You
know
for
the
ira
as
well
early
enough
so
that
they
have
questions
beyond
the
ed
might
be
helpful
too,
but
I
can
certainly
work
to
prepare
pros
and
cons
of
a
couple
of
different
iterations,
the
grant
the
loan
iteration,
the
75
000
versus
the
150
000
and
those
you
know
that
kind
of
hud
recapture
issue
identify
that
as
as
the
issues
and
I
can,
I
can
be
ready
for
that
at
the
january
edc,
meeting
no
problem.
H
A
I
just
think
something
a
little
simpler
or
else
more
secure,
one
of
those
or
both
of
those
things.
H
B
H
D
I
wanted
to
let
the
other
members
know
that
you
don't
have
to
hear
this
chris,
because
you
heard
a
diary
meeting
is
that
we
just
received
the
loan
report
everybody's
current
for
the
first
time
in
about
20-20.
A
D
Although,
although
there
is
one
almost
current
there
there's
a
glitch
between
the
billing
with
m
t
and
I
think
of
downtown
partners
who
own
the
canopy
hotel,
they
owe
interest
only
payments
for
one
month
back
in
september,
2020
which
we're
trying
to
get
philadelphia.
They
can't
really
pay
it
till
they
receive
the
bill.
That's
the
exact
amount.
Otherwise
it
goes
into
an
unapplied
account.
D
It
doesn't
get
counted
anyway,
but
everybody
else
is,
is
current,
so
we're
good
news
on
the
loan
front
for
a
moment
in
time,
so
that
that's
that's
nice
to
report
and
other
than
that
we
we've
got
all
our
grant.
Funding
awards
now
available
to
disperse
from
the
cdbg
cv
funding,
as
well
as
the
2020
one
funds,
and
we
have
history
and
we're
starting
the
2022
process
right
now.
So,
if
you
know
of
anybody
who's
seeking
funding
for
the
next
round
of
action
plan,
let
you
know
have
them
contact
anissa
or
me.
D
Our
deadline
this
year
is
one
month
early.
So
it's
the
end
of
january,
because
hud
instituted
a
requirement
that
we
had
to
comply
with
it,
which
requires
about
three
three
more
weeks
of
work
so,
but
if
you
know
of
anybody,
who's
applying
or
interested
make
sure
they
touch
base
before
the
end
of
january
with
nissan,
that's
all
I
have.
C
You
know
you're
a
quick
question,
a
quick
question:
that's
not
related
to
anything
from
today's
agenda,
but
just
as
a
point
of
question,
because
it's
a
green
star
they've
been
on
our
agenda
a
number
of
times
and
the
last
time
they
were
in
a
financial
squeeze
and
I
don't
even
remember
the
details
of
exactly
where
they
were
at
that
point.
But
I'm
just
wondering
who
has
any
latest
on
things.
I
I
haven't
seen
or
heard
anything
of
additional
layoffs
or
anything
like
that.
D
No
they're
current
on
their
loan
with
the
ira.
We
did
provide
a
time
extension
for
job
creation
and
I
need
to
check
with
charles
and
the
job
creation.
Oh.
A
F
F
Nels,
all
I
know
is
that
their
most
recent
job
report
showed
one
additional
job.
A
C
A
I
received
an
email
from
them.
You
know
that
I
assume
went
out
to
all
members
about
a
month
ago
or
less
than
a
month
ago
saying
that
they
were
anticipating.
You
know,
laying
off
a
number
of
staff
and
having
financial
problems
again.
C
D
A
Of
positive
suggestions
about
buying
gift
cards-
and
you
know,
making
donations
and
blah
blah
blah,
but
they
definitely
sounded
like
they
were
struggling
in
finances
again,
which
made
me
think
they
should
dump
that
college
challenge
anyway.
A
C
A
And
nelson,
your
revised
resolution
for
the
finger
lakes
reuse.
I
noticed
a
couple
times
where
you
had
the
2.3
million
in
the
revenue
sales.
You
were
missing
the
million
there.
A
D
D
D
C
Oh,
I
was
probably
just
gonna
babble
about
something
inane
as
usual
about
lots
of
money
and
if,
if
only
you
know
when
you
when
you
hear
oh,
I
know
what
it
was
when
you
know
thinking
about
some
of
these
zillionaires
like
jeff,
bezos
and
elon,
musk
and
and
they're,
sending
all
their
money
into
outer
space
and.
A
C
You
know
like
a
fraction
of
a
percent
of
either
of
their
net
worth,
could
solve
all
the
funding
challenges
that
every
not-for-profit
in
this
town
has.
You
know
like
they
could
endow
every
not-for-profit
in
this
town
with
like
one
one,
one
percent
of
one
percent
of
their
net
worth.
It's
crazy
and
they're,
just
going
out
into
space
right.
D
Finger
lakes,
reuse
is
so
successful
at
you
know,
employing
people
and
moving
stuff
around,
but
they
but
they're
not
profitable,
and
so
that's
what
that
you
know
when
they
bring
a
budget.
That's
the
draft
budget
for
2022
is
400
000
in
the
red.
That's
what
gives
me
a
little
bit
of
caution
about
a
loan
that
you
know
for
a
grant.
I
guess
you
know,
and
and
are
they
gonna
be
able
to
make
that
so
I
think
that's.
D
I
think
I
think
in
some
respect
a
little
bit
of
weight
isn't
the
worst
thing,
because
the
sooner
they
have
that
internal
review
by
an
outside
analyst
on
their
operations
might
make
them
a
more
efficient
operation
or
they
can
find
some
way
to
be
more
efficient.
I
mean
I'm
sure
they're
doing
the
best
they
can,
but
they
don't
really
have
I
mean
it's
all.
Homegrown
talent,
essentially
right
shifted
into
kind
of
business
positions.
D
C
A
Had
you
know,
I
know
I'm
sure
that
I
mean
I've
been
there
enough
dropping
off
stuff
during
the
pandemic.
I
know
they're
inundated
with
stuff
what
if
they
had
a
small
drop-off
fee,
like
you
know
two
bucks
or
five
bucks
or
something
like
that.
You
know
it
seems
like
you
know,
I
would
easily
pay
that
I
mean
I
it's
either
there
or
take
it
to
the
dump
and
you
pay
more
right.
C
That's
it
might
dissuade
some
folks,
but
you
know
I.
I
think
that
you're,
the
the
flip
side
of
that
is
charging
more
on
the
buyer
end,
which
I'm
glad
to
see
that
they
are
looking
at
rejiggering
their
pricing,
because
you
know
that
the
what
diane
said
about
50
cents
additional
on
each
item.
Well,
that
could
be
a
lot
more
than
50
cents
on
some
items-
and
I
you
know
if
they're,
if
they
raise
prices
across
the
board
by
you,
know
five
percent
on
everything.
C
D
Yeah
yeah
good
point,
good
point,
yeah
yeah,
so
we'll
we'll
see,
I
think
I
think
we'll
we
can
we'll
have
a
little
more
clarity
come
january
where
we
are
and
where
they.
D
Yeah
yeah
exactly
yeah,
I
was
figuring
lately,
you
know.
Maybe
it
was
somewhere
around
75
hours
of
work
that
they
were
committing
to
do.
You
know
if
they
were
paying
themselves
60
bucks
an
hour
or
something
like
that.
I
don't,
I
don't
think
they're
the,
but
that
that's
far
lower
than
most
consultants.