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C
B
So
we
have
a
quorum
right,
charlie's
not
coming.
This
is
our.
This
is
our
full
attendance
great.
So
why
don't
we
get
started?
B
That's
a
fine
idea
that
sounds
fine
to
everybody
great,
so
that's
officially
called
to
order.
Then
any
changes
to
the
agenda.
B
Great,
that's
good.
Do
we
have
any
public
comment.
B
Charles
anybody
in
no
nobody
cares
about
us
today,
okay
review
of
the
meeting
minutes
from
february
9th
in
the
packet
any.
B
B
Great
all
in
favor
of
moving
of
accepting
those
that's
unanimous.
Okay,
we
are
into
the
meat
of
our
agenda,
which
is
the
hud
and
panelment
grant
program.
So
we've
got
review
of
the
2021
economic
development
funding
applications
which
we
have
in
our
packet,
and
I
think
we
want
to
have
just
as
always
general
discussion
about
that,
as
well
as
questions
or
things
that
you
want
yours
truly
to
take
forward
to
the
public
hearing.
B
And
then,
if
we
have
any
recommendation
to
the
ira
about
what
we'd
like
to
fund,
maybe
nells.
As
always,
you
could
start
with
kind
of
the
general
state
of
affairs
in
terms
of
funding,
that's
available
and
sure,
and
then
I
was
proposing.
We
look
at
buffalo
street
books
first,
because
it's
a
new
applicant
and
then
we
can
look
at
the
others.
A
Okay,
so
we've
got
about
1.2
million
dollars
available
to
fund
all
all
the
activities,
including
admin,
and
we
have
funding
requests
of
1.7.
A
So
you
know
somewhere
along
the
lines
a
half
million
is
gonna
have
to
get
trimmed.
If
you
look
at
that
on
kind
of
a
percentage
basis,
you
know
it's
kind
of
30,
you
know.
Maybe
we,
a
starting
point
is
to
suggest
that
we're
going
to
need
to
have
a
30
reduction
project
somewhere
and
if,
if
that
were
applied
to
the
economic
development
category,
that
would
be
close
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
or
maybe
a
little
bit
more
have
been
how
we
analyze
it.
A
So
that's
you
know
it's
similar
to
last
year
where
we
brought
forward
some
tough
decisions
and
we
found
ways
to
hone
it
down
a
little
bit
and
it
worked
out
in
the
end.
But
you
know,
I
think,
that's
it's
going
to
be
similar
to
the
prior
year,
where
the
funding
requests
in
this
category
probably
exceed
what's
practically
or
realistically
able
to
be
funded.
Given
the
other,
the
other
funding,
we
do
have
some
cdbg
coronavirus
funding
on
the
on
the
chart
at
the
bottom.
A
It
just
isn't
ear
market
funding,
so
they've
asked
for
a
hundred
and
ten
thousand
we
have
about
sixty
thousand.
So
some
of
that
savings
could
occur
in
that
category,
but
I
think
it's
unrealistic
to
think
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
fund
the
full
economic
development
categories
at
at
full
funding.
That's
that
that
would
that
would
require
some
very
large
cuts
in
other
categories.
A
Has
joined
us
and
she's
been
really
the
person
out
in
the
community
talking
with
all
the
applicants.
I
think
some
of
this
is
born
of
the
fact
that
there
is
a
cdbg
coronavirus
category
and
some
of
the
agencies
have
been
involved
in
funding.
This
is
a
second
round
of
funding
through
the
ira
for
that
activity
and
I
think
they're
also
struggling
to
just
hold
it
together.
A
lot
of
these
agencies
have
had
some
stress
from
staff
or
reduced
revenues
and
those
kind
of
things.
D
D
I'm
a
part
of
that
committee
to
discuss
covet
specific
issues
that
might
be
resolving
that
you
know
organizations
might
be
dealing
with
and
when
they
say
code
specific,
they
have
a
much
broader
view
of
that
than
hud
does
so
you
know
it's
possible
that
some
organizations
have
gone
there,
but
I
will
say
in
that
group
they're
also
noticing
that
people
aren't
coming
forward
as
much
as
they
were
at
the
beginning.
So
I
think
that
lends
a
lot
of
credence.
Someone
else
said
about
you
know
just
trying
to
hold
things
together.
D
There's
not,
I
think
most
organizations
are
not
starting,
maybe
new
things
this
year,
and
also
I
did,
although
you
know
things
that
I
say
are
not
like
heavily
influencing
what
what
the
applicants
think,
but
I
did
mention
to
people
that
you
know
if
you
are
going
to
be
applying
in
any
of
these
categories.
There
might
be,
you
know,
a
focus
on
like
how
this
is
going
to
help
with
the
nation's
recovery
in
general,
so
be
aware,
you
know
be
able
to
talk
about
that.
I
don't
think
that
would
discourage
anybody
from
applying.
B
A
Yeah,
what's
one
thing
to
think
of
when
you're
discussing
it
and
we
I
can
take
down
notes
on
this
as
well.
The
public
hearing
is
broken
up
into
two
different
ira
meetings,
where
we
have
the
applicants
come
and
there's
a
q
a
and
an
opportunity
for
a
short
presentation.
A
So
that's
going
to
be
on
march
25th
and
april
1st.
So
as
you
look
through
these,
if
you
have
questions
that
you
want
to
make
sure
well
that
you'd
like
to
have
asked
of
the
applicants
chris
can
can
be
a
conduit,
but
I
can
also
just
write
them
down
and
see
if
other
members
have
share
the
same
issues
oftentimes.
A
Unfortunately,
the
presentations
go
a
little
long
and
there's
no
time
for
questions
occasionally
on
some
of
these
that
undermine
some
of
that
opportunity.
But
if
you
you
know,
if
you
have
a
just
a
question,
you
want
to
make
sure
it
gets
asked,
then
we
can
just
make
sure
that
it's
at
least
forwarded
to
the
ira
members.
So
they
know
that
there
are
some
questions
brought
up
by
the
committee.
B
Okay,
so
I
think
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
wanted
to
look
at
with
this
is
books
in
terms
of
what
you
propose
their
analysis,
just
making
sure
that
they
can
meet
the
requirements,
the
cddb
requirements
for
job
creation
and
or
job
retention,
and
then
kind
of
a
maybe
there's
a
larger
question
about
their
financials,
and
I
guess
capacity
to
execute
this
as
a
result,
right.
A
Yeah
and
I
think
absolutely
right
and
I
think
the
question
for
their
application
is
presented
is
they
would
propose
to
create
one
new
position,
but
they
didn't
really
support
it
with
a
increased
revenue
model
that
would
support
that
position.
After
12
months
they
talked
about
how
it
could
enhance.
A
You
know
their
their
operations
and
lead
to
revenues,
but
they
didn't
really
establish
or
or
project
forward
how
they
would
increase
their
ability
to
really
make
you
know
how
they
would
retain
that
job.
Once
the
ira
funding
ex
terminated,
I
think
it's
a
question,
and
so
we
really
are
obligated
to
look
at
an
ed
activity
based
on
job
creation,
to
see
if
that
job
has
a
good
chance
of
being
retained.
After
the
funding,
the
initial
funding
is
expired
and
I
think
there
is
an
open
question
on
this
application.
C
Well,
they
also
don't
seem
to
be
projecting
enough
to
actually
support
the
position
because
they
were
saying
30,
I'm
sorry
17
an
hour
or
something
times,
however
many
hours
a
week,
and
they
added
to
that
four
percent
to
cover
payroll
expense
which
isn't
nearly
enough.
C
That's
not
even
you
know
enough
to
cover
just
medicare
and
social
security.
Employer
portion,
then
there's
going
to
be
workers,
comp
and
disability,
so
they'd
be
looking
at
more
like
15,
with
no
benefits,
no
non-mandatory
benefits,
and
I'm
not
sure
if
that
was
just
sloppy
math
or
if
they
were
anticipating
that
coming
from
some
portion
of
budget
that
they
didn't
think
they
needed
to
share.
C
I
don't
remember,
I
mean
obviously
what
we're
looking
at
there
doesn't
show
the
four
percent,
but
it's
somewhere
in
the
budget.
I
don't
remember
where
I
saw
that,
and
I
said
that's
not
right,
not
even
close
to
right.
Oh
it's
on
the
it's
on
page,
three
of
the
application.
So
I
guess
that's
two
pages
earlier.
B
E
E
B
Right,
that's
where
I
was
doing
the
math
like
it
clearly
wasn't
even
bundled
into
that
35
000.
So
it's
like
not
even
just
like
it's
an
oversighting
content,
it's
oversight
in
the
calculation
right,
so
that
would
increase
the
amount
that
they
need
to
cover.
B
Yeah,
and
so
it's
like
there
seems
to
be
fuzziness
on
revenue
increase
both
in
terms
of
the
revenue
that
could
be
directly
generated
by
this
program
by
charging.
It
seems
like
some
modest
fees
for
some
people
to
participate,
but
they
also
seem
to
have
no
sense
that
of
how
these
events
generate
additional
sales
from
for
inventory,
which
seems
like
that
would
be
a
key
thing.
B
You
would
want
to
understand
before
undertaking
any
kind
of
expansion
like
this
like
having
enough
data
to
know
from
a
few
experiments
or
pilots
that
oh
right,
if
we
have
an
event
that
has
30
people
in
that
room
within
the
hour
or
two
hours
or
day.
Of
that
event,
we
generate
x
percent
additional
sales
that
we've
seen.
A
D
B
So
this
looks
like
what
would
end
up
essentially
being
extra
costs
that
once
our
once,
our
subsidy
ended
that
they
wouldn't
be
able
to
cover
it
and
yet
probably
in
their
minds,
they're
imagining
something
bigger
or
more
transformative-
or
I
don't
know-
maybe
they're
not,
but
that
maybe
that's
the
bigger
thing
that
is
missing
to
really
sort
of
fully
understand
this,
which
yeah
I'd
be
interested.
I'd
be
more
interested
in
that.
E
Yeah,
I
really
agree
with
you
there
and
I
guess
I
was
thinking
you
know
they
would
be
moving
towards
something
like
in
tucson.
They
have
a
huge
book
festival
in
midwinter.
That
brings
in
thousands
of
people,
so
kind
of
it
seems
like
ithaca,
you
know,
would
be
really
a
place
that
could
really
benefit
from
that
kind
of
an
outreach
event.
C
Yeah,
I
wonder
if
some
of
the
funding
through
the
visitors
bureau
and
the
room
tax
fund
wouldn't
be
a
good
source
for
things
like
that.
I,
like
that
idea
doug.
I
I
agree
with
everything
you
said
too
chris.
I
would
love
to
see
the
store
be
thriving
again.
C
I
don't
know
that
this
plan
is
well
thought
out
enough
and
it's
certainly
not
financially,
or
at
least
they
haven't
demonstrated
how
it'll
be
financially
sustainable
to
be
the
turnaround
you
know
to
make
buffalo
street
books
a
vibrant
hub
for
literature.
Again,
I
I'd
really
love
to
see
that,
but
I
I
don't
see
how
this
funding
is
going
to
do
it.
A
I
think
one
of
the
issues
that
I
observed
looking
at
this
application
is
that
in
many
respects
this
is
a
a
request
for
funding
that
you
would
normally
make
towards
community
arts,
partnership
or
tourism
money.
Yet
as
a
for-profit,
even
though
they're
cooperative,
there
are
for-profit
just
like
green
star
they're
not
eligible
for
a
lot
of
that
funding,
so
they
have
to
go
about
it
a
different
way.
I
don't
think
that
tourism
money
is
eligible
for
for-profits,
I'm
trying
to
because
everyone
all
the
agencies,
I'm
thinking
of
who've
received
funding
have
been
not-for-profit.
A
So
that
might
be
a
question
I
could
follow
up
on
and
see
if
they
are
eligible
for
that,
because
they
have
funded
turnarounds,
they
have
funded.
You
know,
initiatives
you
know,
even
even
like
you
know,
bringing
in
somebody
to
help
them
devise.
You
know
the
financial
plan
would
be
something
that
they
can
get
through
that
program
if
they're
eligible.
A
So
maybe
that's
something
I
can
take
a
look
at
on
that,
because
my
sense
is
that
there's
a
component
here
of
just
viability
of
the
business
continuing
they've
had
a
number
of
years
where
they
haven't
been
able
to
turn
profits
like
in
some
ways.
The
ppp
turned
out
to
be
a
good
situation
for
them,
because
they
were
able
to
bring
in
some
revenue
through
that.
But
I
almost
feel
this
more.
D
Yeah,
I
just
wanted
to
add
in
the
note
of
the
tourism
funds.
I
could
be
wrong,
but
my
understanding
was
that
those
were
not
being
made
available
this
year
due
to
the.
D
I
could
be
wrong.
Maybe
there
are
I
I
thought
that
I
remember
them
saying
I
looked
into
that.
I
could
be
wrong.
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
bring
up
is
interfering
with
them,
their
their
current
level
that
they
pay.
I
believe
that
all
of
their
current
employees,
if
that's
their
only
job,
are
low
mod.
B
B
Cool
all
right,
I
I
think
we've
got
a
number
of
questions
that
we
can
take
to
them,
but
I
might
sense
it
that
I
want
to
put
words
in
your
mouth,
leslie
and
dog.
Is
that
we're?
This
is
probably
not
ready
for
our
support
anyway,
even
if
we
didn't
have
a
funding
gap-
and
I
think
to
your
point
about
nels
about
finger
lakes,
reuse,
I
mean,
I
think,
two
other
things
there
is.
B
You
know
it
came
with
a
bigger
vision
of
what
they
were
trying
to
do
and
and
why
they
needed
our
financial
support
so
back
to
this
point
of
if
they
are
trying
to
reimagine
a
complete
shift
in
how
they
go
about
using
that
space
and
and
generating
income.
I
think
we'd
be
interested
in
hearing
that,
but
that's
definitely
something
that
finally
reuse
did
have
and
then
the
second
is
I
mean
that
was
a
loan
activity
right.
B
Forgivable
right,
because
definitely
these
guys
are
not
in
a
position
to
take
on
debt
in
their
current,
his
condition,
so
we'd
have
to
structure
it.
Similarly,
I
agree
yeah,
okay,
good,
but
that's
something
right
again
with
a
plan,
a
forgivable
loan
that
got
them
through
a
bridge
period.
That
could
be
interesting
actually-
and
I
agree
with
you.
I
think
I
think
the
community
would
support
helping
a
business
that
that
business
stay
in
that
location
for
sure.
E
C
I
was
thinking
that
exact
same
thing
and,
of
course
this
gets
us
a
little
out
of
the
scope
of
reviewing
the
applicants
for
this
funding
stream,
but
that
would
be
an
interesting
thing
to
look
into.
I
don't
know
I'm
not
one
of
the
co-op
member
owners,
so
I
don't
know
what
the
store's
obligation
is
to
the
owners,
but
presumably
there'd
be
some
kind
of
buyout.
Maybe
unless
it's
a
completely
insolvent
situation,
you
know
before
they
could
convert
and
basically
boot
the
shareholders
out.
A
Yeah
and
that
actually
about
10
years
ago,
we've
had
a
long
history
with
this
bra
with
this
business
when
gary
was
was
running
it
and
his
vision
went
near
the
end
before
he
kind
of
said.
I
got
to
get
out
of
this
and
sold
it
without
making
any
profit
on.
It
was
to
have
a
for-profit
and
a
not-for-profit.
So
I
mean
you
could
spin
off
a
not-for-profit.
You
know
entity
and
still
keep
the
foreign
profit.
B
E
I
mean:
could
we
offer
you
know
harry
zucker
as
sort
of
a
just
economic
advisor,
perhaps
as
to
help
to
them
develop
a
broader
financial
plan
and
live
in
lieu
of
us,
probably
not
funding
them
in
any
other
way.
A
E
D
I
just
said
well
two
things.
First,
a
clarifying
question.
I
was
wondering
if
part
of
what
you
were
all
saying
is
that
if
they,
if
they
did
move
to
a
non-profit
model,
does
that
mean
that
there
would
there
be
something
that
the
iua
could
support?
In
that
scenario,.
A
Actually
so
that
makes
things
a
little
more
difficult
for
us
in
terms
of
loan
assistance,
because
the
only
uses
of
ira
cdbg
funds
for
not-for-profit
are
acquisition
and
physical
improvements
which
trigger
davis,
bacon
per
billion
wages.
A
So
it'd
be
wiser
to
look
at
an
accompanied,
not-for-profit
or
an
associated
not-for-profit,
a
friends
of
the
buffalo
street
bookstore
or
whatever.
Something
like
that.
D
And
then
I
just
wanted
to
make
a
overall
comment.
I
I
appreciate
being
here
at
this
meeting.
As
you
know,
I
don't
normally
interact
with
all
of
you
and
I
think
that
you
have
so
much
expertise
to
share.
There
were
an
a
higher
number
than
usual.
D
I
wouldn't
say
groups.
It
seemed
like
maybe
individuals
that
came
forward
to
the
community
meetings
or
contacted
me
for
ta
related
to.
I
wouldn't
say
that
they
were
like
fully
formed
economic
development
ideas,
but
some
economic
development
ideas
some
or
at
least
two
that
I'm
aware
of
are
considering
you
know
we
had
a
preliminary
conversation
they're
considering
coming
forward
next
year
instead,
but
I
will
say
that
they're,
you
know.
D
I
know
that
somebody,
I
think
just
jokingly,
brought
up
the
idea
of
some
sort
of
financial
business
development
counseling,
and
actually
I
think
that
there
is
space
for
that.
I
know
that
ascu
does
do
some
of
that,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
this
group
aware
that
if,
in
the
future
you
would
like
me
to
do
a
different
kind
of
guidance
have
more
specific
guidance.
Anything
like
that.
D
I
I
would
definitely
would
love
to
hear
from
all
of
you
whether
that's
meeting
with
you
before
I
do
the
origins
or
before
I
do
the
meetings
or
anything
like
that
just
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that
there
was
a
little
bit
more
curiosity
that
I've
seen
in
the
past
about
how
to
access
the
economic
development
category,
and
that,
as
you
know,
is
not
my
specific
expertise.
B
They
are
not
exactly.
I
think
what
this
committee
sort
of
thinks
about
in
terms
of
economic
development,
and
so
if
there
are
ways
that
we
could
help
people-
and
I
think
the
difference
between
us
and
alternatives
is
the
kind
of
guidance
we
could
be
giving.
People
is
how
to
actually
potentially
take
advantage
of
this
program
right
specifically
and
structure
your
economic
development
activities
within
an
existing
business
or
as
a
new
business,
to
really
maximize
opportunities
of
taking
advantage
of
this
funding
to
help
kind
of
jump
start
something.
B
Whereas
alternatives
give
you
a
much
more
sort
of
broader
holistic
360
view,
I
would
assume
leslie
can
speak
to
that
of
your
business
right.
So
so
I
think
I
would
think
it
would
be
interesting
to
do
you
know
ahead
of
issuing
the
rfa
next
time
is
to
have
a
conversation,
maybe
that
what
kinds
of
things
might
we
be
more
interested
in?
Seeing
I
don't
know
what
what
does
the
rest
of
the
community
think?
I
think
that's
a
really
good
idea.
C
Yeah,
I'd
really
like
to
see
a
broader
array
of
proposals
coming
forward.
You
know,
we've
been
in
a,
I
don't
want
to
call
it
a
rut,
but
it
has
been
kind
of
a
a
consistent
stream
of
the
same
proposals,
the
same
types
of
projects
and
there
could
be
a
much
more
diverse
array
of
activities
being
supported,
but
we're
not
seeing
them.
A
One
thing
we
could
do
is
encourage
groups
like
buffalo
street
books
or
others
to
you
know
meet
with
the
committee
early
on
in
a
pre-application.
You
know
once
we're
in
the
application
process.
It's
a
little
hard
to
you
know
meet
with
individual
applicants,
but
if
it
were
before
that,
you
know
or
if
they
wanted
to
revisit
this
application
in
in
august,
you
know
and
see
and
and
have
a
dialogue
with
the
with
the
committee.
That
might
be
another
approach
for
some
of
these
projects
to
move
forward
or
at
least
better
understand.
A
The
issue
we
always
run
into.
One
of
the
challenges
is
we're
asking
people
you
know
in
february
for
to
develop
a
project
for
funding
they
will
receive
in
october.
You
know
and
that's
that's
oftentimes
businesses
can't
wait.
Eight
months,
you
know
doing
application
and
funding.
So
that's
one
of
the
challenges
we
have
to
face.
Unless
we
were
somehow
going
to
reserve
a
pool
of
funds,
that's
available,
you
know
more
immediately,
but
then
we
can
run
into
spend
down
issues
with
cdbg
funds
if
we
reserve
too
much
so
a
little
bit
of
a
balance
there.
A
But
I
do
think
that
you
know
curry,
you
know
I
would.
I
guess
I'm
asking
the
committee
do.
Do
you
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
you
know,
encourage
me
and
anissa
to
say
if
someone's
got
an
idea,
you
know
come
and
bring
it
forward
to
the
committee
early
for
some
just
informal
discussion
or
following
up
on
an
application
that
was
not
you
know,
supported
for
funding.
Is
that
something
you're
interested
in
spending
committee
time
on.
B
So
I
think
it
just
helps
them
helps
any
applicant.
You
know,
potentially,
especially
if
they're
imagining
they're
going
to
be
like
a
really
a
multiple,
recurring
growth
kind
of
scenario,
yeah
kind
of
kick
it
around
with
us
in
advance,
rather
than
we
get
this
it's
the
first
time
we've
seen
it.
We've
got
a
ton
of
questions.
It's
unlikely
to
go
forward
right.
C
Nils,
do
we
have
any
discretion
in
the
what's
usually
been
considered?
I
don't
know
if
it's
officially
designated
only
for
this
use,
but
the
the
loan
fund
or
any
other
funds
at
our
discretion
that
usually
go
out
as
loans.
Do
we
have
discretion
to
make
those
as
grants,
or
would
they
be
effectively
grants
if
we
called
them
forgivable
loans,
because.
C
A
Yes,
the
end,
the
short
answer
is
yes,
you
can
structure
that
now,
once
you
start
using
the
word
grant,
then
then
we
get
a
lot
of
more
people
asking
for
grants.
Just
so
you
know
it
works
that
way
in
practice.
So
we
we
always
I've
always
been
talking
about
loans.
Potentially
that
or
you
know
some
could
be
deferred
or
you
know,
or
you
know
those
kind
of
things,
but
I
don't.
I
think
we
want
to
keep
that
framework
in
mind.
A
Generally
speaking,
we
a
matter
of
fact
that
was
exactly
what
the
agency
did
with
the
small
business
resiliency
fund.
We
took.
B
A
000
from
the
revolving
loan
fund
and
issued
it
and
it's
all
forgivable
for
those
small
grants,
so
that
was
exactly
you
know.
Now
we
have
spent
down
the
loan
fund
a
lot
through
that
process.
So
you
know
we
need
to
build
that
back
up
if
we
want
to
have
that
capacity.
B
B
A
Yeah
the
problem
with
the
ta
er
as
a
kind
of
categorical
use
is,
we
have
to
show
low
mod
benefit
and
we
have
to
show
job
creation.
You
know
if
we're
gonna,
if
we're
gonna,
spend
it
from
the
ed
category.
If
it's
admin
money,
we
can
spend
it,
and
this
year
we
got
more
cdbg
cv,
funding,
corona
virus
funding,
so
maybe
there's
a
little
opportunity
this
year,
but
normally
the
admin
funding
from
the
program
covers
about
45
of
our
budget,
which
which
most
of
our
budget
staff.
So
it
doesn't
really.
A
You
know,
I'm
I'm
leery-
to
commit
it
to
other
uses
when
we're
not
recovering
our
own
expenses
with
it
yet,
but
on
you
know,
when
there's
a
really
good
idea
and
a
strong
argument,
I
think
that's
that
can
be
very
much
appropriate
use
of
some
of
those
funds.
A
What
the
category
of
funding
that
would
be
eligible
for
economic
development
under
a
ta
assistance
would
be
a
micro
enterprise,
that's
owned
by
a
low
mod
person.
So
if
we
wanted
to
assist
you
know
in
those
kind
of
small
enterprises
that
would
be
an
eligible
use
once
we
get
to.
B
D
I
just
wanted
to
jump
in
to
say
well
a
couple
things.
I
understand
that
your
time
is
very
valuable
and
I
know
that
you
all
are
working
on.
You
know
very
much
larger
picture
things
I
wanted
to
know.
D
You
know
now's
happy
if
this
is
something
that
you
wanted
to
possibly
go
forward
with
meeting
with
people
in
the
pre-application
phase,
perhaps
there's
a
month
of
the
year
that
you
know
does
not
tend
to
be
busy
for
you,
in
which
case,
maybe
I
could
start
you
know
reaching
out
to
those
who
might
have
ideas.
I
think
there's
always
a
difficulty
of
having
a
fully
informed
idea
that
people
are
just
kind
of
like
throwing
like
ideas
at
you
and
being
like.
Not
you
but
like
like.
Would
this
work
would
that
work?
D
D
So
if
you
do
find
at
some
point
that
you
know
that
there's
a
month
of
the
year
or
something
like
that,
you're
interested
in
some
sort
of
like
round
table
discussion,
maybe
with
a
couple
different,
you
know
maybe
two
or
three
potential
applicants
who
could
then
learn
from
what
you're
saying
in
the
same
meeting
to
another
group.
I
think
that
you
know
I'd
be
happy
to
try
to
do
that.
D
I
apologize
if
somehow
I
haven't
made
it
clear
in
the
past
that
I'd
be
happy
to
try
to
you
know,
create
a
pipeline,
that's
appropriate
for
this
committee
yeah.
I
guess
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
I
do.
D
I
want
to
say
I
think
buffalo
street
books
actually
is
a
great
example
and
somebody
that
could
really
benefit
from
your
from
your
wisdom
and
expertise,
because
I
think
some
of
the
I
don't
think
you'll
be
giving
away
much
to
say
that
I
think
some
of
the
ideas
that
you
brought
up
they
may
have
already
been
looking
at
or
considering,
and
I
don't
know
how
they,
you
know,
kind
of
landed
on
the
application
that
they
provided
to
you.
D
And,
of
course
you
have
other
questions,
you
know
even
given
that,
but
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that.
D
B
But
I
think
we're
eagerly
looking
forward
to
the
next
garage
project.
B
B
D
Them
the
best
help.
I
think
that
kind
of
guidance
for
me
would
be
tremendous,
because
then
I
mean
I
don't
want
to
be.
You
know.
I
just
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
wisdom
in
this
group-
and
I
don't
know
sometimes
when
people
come
to
me,
acting
like
I'm
an
expert
about
something,
it's
kind
of
interesting,
to
talk
to
those
folks
and
brainstorm.
So.
B
Okay,
let
me
just
take
that
as
an
action
item
that
we
can
and
should
kind
of
put
something
together
that
maybe
would
benefit
from
the
wisdom
of
the
committee
plus
charlie
next
time
we
have
her
so
that
we
can
have
a
template
or
some
way
to
help
you
structure
them
and
then
once
we
get
through
this
round
and
we're
into
the
summer
and
the
fall,
let's
try
to
do
some
of
that.
I
think
that'd
be
great.
B
Okay.
Now,
let's
go
to
the
tried
and
trues
yeah,
so
we've
got
as
always:
we've
got
finger
lakes
reuse-
I
have
a
little
question
about.
It
seems
like
this
is
reset,
but
maybe
under
a
different
name
and
then
work
preserve
and
http
right.
Is
there
anything
at
these
arnels
that
you
want
to
hit
a
top
level
anything
we
need
to
know
about
any
of
these
three
applicants.
That's
dramatically
different
from
what
we've
done
before.
D
I
just
want
to
say
chris
that,
as
far
as
the
previous
application,
I
do
feel
like
they
always
rename
things,
and
I
don't
know
what
their
structure
is
there.
But
I
have
the
same
question
so
there's
that
I
I
just
want
to
say
and
like
whatever
I'm
sure
you
know
that
I'm
very
enthusiastic
and
whatever,
but
I
I
want
to
say
that
these
three
groups
and
really
everybody
that's
part
of
our
portfolio
that
we've
been
working
with,
has
done
some
pretty
amazing
stuff.
D
I
think
pivoting
related
to
coping,
so
they
have
changed
up
some
of
their.
You
know
business
as
usual.
Http
has
done
stuff
online
and
in
the
classroom
a
hybrid
model.
Historic
ithaca
is,
like
you
know,
kind
of
exploring
working
with
new
groups
and
they've
reached
out
to
http,
and
you
know
to
kind
of
like
discuss
and
and
so
on
so
yeah
just
that.
I
think
that
they're
they
are
all
really
trying
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
populations.
They
serve
the
best
that
they
can.
B
A
I
was
just
going
to
say
I
had
the
same
question
you
had
chris
about
it
wasn't
clear
to
me
in
their
application,
where
the
green
building
technology
module
fit
into
their
training
versus
their
technology
and
and
retail
modules,
and
that
was
so
unclear
to
me
how
that
was
going
to
work.
But
you
already.
B
Yeah
and
then
this
whole
thing
right,
the
whole
thing
is
called
career
pathways,
but
then
all
sprinkled
through
the
application
is
reset
and
career
pathways
seems
to
go
away
so
yeah,
I
didn't
know
if
there
was
a
larger
logic
that
everyone
understood,
except
for
me,
I
defer
to
the
committee.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
them
as
a
set?
Do
you
want
to
go
one
by
one?
Do
you
have
specific.
C
They're
funding
sources-
maybe
this
is
a
coved
thing
or
maybe
this
is
something
that
I
just
haven't
noticed
in
the
past,
but
it
seemed
like
they
were
a
little
wishy-washy
about
where
their
money
was
coming
from.
You
know
nothing
secured
to
help
support
the
program
at
this
point
and
private
foundation
grants
anticipated
okay.
Well,
that's
you
know,
the
cycle
is
what
it
is
possible.
Other
government
grants,
in
other
words,
that's
a
question
mark.
C
I
don't.
I
don't
recall
that
it
was
quite
this
fuzzy
in
the
past,
they're
always
sort
of
doing
some.
You
know
budget
magic
over
there.
I
don't
know
how
they
do
it.
Diane
is
a
wizard,
but
this
is
weird
that
it,
it
seems,
kind
of
unclear
how.
A
They're
going
to
support
this,
I
think
the
one
way
where
one
place
where
they
have
their
uses
and
sources
where
they've
listed
merchandise
sales
as
unsecured.
I
think
in
prior
years,
they've
indicated
that
was
secured.
You
know
it's
projected
sales
of
materials,
it's
kind
of
earned
income
and
I
think
that
they've
put
that
under
the
secured
category
they
may
have
thought
that
it's
you
know
it's
not
really
in
their
pocket
right
now.
It's
projected
to
be
earned,
but
they
have
a
track
record
of
of
sales.
I
think
they
could
probably
consider
well.
E
B
I
have
an
unrelated
question
to
that,
which
is,
I
noticed,
there
was
a
there,
was
a
line
for
rent
and
I
was
wondering
if
that
was
typical
if
they
particularly
have
they
asked
us
for
covering
rent
before
and
what
does
that
really
mean?
In
this
context,
I
assume
they're
doing
some
sort
of
allocation
of
their
overall
rent
overhead.
C
A
E
A
Their
own
premises,
so
it
would
be
either
an
allocation
within
their
program,
a
creative
way
to
show
match,
funding
or
or
or
their
present.
You
know,
assuming
some
some
additional
space
is
going
to
be
needed.
They
do
pay
rent.
You
know
up
at
tripp
hammer
mall
with
a
second
operation,
so
there's
also
a
rent,
an
out-of-pocket
expense
for
that,
as.
A
Well,
the
the
large
component
of
the
funding
request
of
the
ira
is
in
the
stipend
category
and
and
particularly
they
have
deep
stipends
for
some
of
their
clients
coming
from
re-entry
and
they
they
have
a
pretty
robust
time
period
for
the
stipends.
A
In
the
past,
we've
discussed
that
as
a
metric
for
scaling
up
or
scaling
down
the
program,
and
I
don't
recall
exactly
what
it
is
per
per
person,
but
it
was,
it
was
over
10
000.
I
think
it
might
have
been
16
000
per
person.
C
B
C
A
C
A
It
was
a
high
number
and
I
don't
know
if
that's
because
they
had
some
additional
funding
that
they
had
committed
that
year.
They
were
talking
about
30
participants
in
the
program
and
17
job
placements.
The
table
we
just
discussed
with
charles
earlier
there
was.
There
was
an
error
in
the
table
originally,
so
it's
30
individuals
in
the
program
19
to
be
placed
in
jobs
and
there's
there's
kind
of
three
categories
of
participants
here,
there's
the
re-entry
category.
Folks,
there's
people
who
are
their
main
they're.
A
You
know
the
largest
group,
which
is
there,
are
eligible
for
apprentices,
apprenticeships,
but
they
are
paid
paid
for
some
of
their
work
and
then
there's
the
volunteer
corps
and
the
volunteers.
There
are
quite
a
few
volunteers
in
the
program
there
were
and
and
many
several
of
them
were
successful,
getting
jobs
after
being
volunteers.
A
D
Probably
already
know
this,
but
I'm
looking
at
their
last
year's
application.
That's
not
I
mean,
as
you
know,
it
got
scaled
back
quite
a
bit
but
they're
looking
to
assist
21
people
with
95
96
047.
There
was
a
request
last
year
and
you
probably
also
saw
you've
just
been
talking
about
how
much
they
apprentice.
B
I
didn't
actually
have
any
questions.
Is
there
anything
that
jumped
out
to
anybody
else.
D
I
will
say
that
in
my
interactions
with
them
talking
with
their
executive
director,
she
is
very,
very
active
in
pursuing
other
grants
and
and
doing
that
development,
fun,
development.
A
E
D
They
definitely
did
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
tend
to
work
with
a
younger
population
like
really
doing
a
lot
of
very
you
know
very
entry-level
stuff,
and
so
a
lot
of
their
population
is
marginally
housed,
unstably,
housed
or
even
homeless,
and
so
I
think
that
really
affects
their
ability
to
successfully
place
people
when
they're
working
with
their
primary
population
has
been
this
kind
of
young
adult
group
that
tends
to
have
a
lot
of
instability
in
their
lives,
and
so
this
is
really
kind
of
in
in
some
ways
for
some
of
them
for
a
lot
of
them.
D
They're
they're,
first
poor
race,
into
the
job.
Well,
and
so
I
I
think
that
that's
been
they've
worked
with
a
number
of
promising
people
getting
ready
to
place
them
and
they
have
a
situation
that
happens
like
right
before
placement
that
makes
it
difficult
for
them
to
go
forward.
They've
lost
their
house,
they
have
a
legal
requirement.
They
need
to
take
care
of,
they
don't
have
a
place
to
live
within
the
city.
Things
like
that.
D
You
could
argue.
Also,
though,
that
reuse
is,
you
know,
working
with
a
population
that
also
has
significant
challenges
and
they're
kind
of
meeting
that
challenge
by
what
you
talked
about,
which
is
the
stipend
for
a
re-entry.
E
D
I
think
that
that
does
have
to
do
basically
with
code
that
all
the
intensity
that
they
needed
to,
I
mean
in
their
situation
at
hi
anyway,
they're
having
to
do
a
lot
of
one-on-one
with
the
their
participants
instead
of
working
with
them
in
the
group,
because
I
think
there
were
some
sensitivities
within
that
hi
staff
in
terms
of
the
size
of
the
space
and
some
health
conditions
that
they
needed
to
be
aware
of
so
taking
extra
precaution.
D
A
Right
and
just
discussing
the
same
question
with
charles
earlier
who
receives
a
reporting
and
looks
at
it
very
closely,
there's
a
sense
that
this
organization
was
maybe
the
least
equipped
to
do
remote
learning
of
any
of
the
organizations
they
really
are
hand.
You
know
hand
face-to-face
kind
of
work
and
that
that
probably
you
know
impact.
If
you
look
at
prior
years,
those
numbers
on
a
per
participant
basis
are
significantly
lower.
A
So
it's
a
so
it's
it's
hard
to
measure
in
a
covert
year
on
these,
and
I
think
there
was
some
you
know:
there's
not
a
lot
of
jobs
to
get
out
there.
You
know
once
you
go
through
a
training
program
during
the
middle
of
it
either
it
makes
it
hard
to
get
motivation
in
some
respects,
but
so
some
challenges
special
challenges
this
year.
I
think
it's
just
I
think
it's
you
know
they
did
not
get
achieved
their
goal
still
working
on
it.
D
Yeah,
I
think
the
first
of
all
one
of
their
pivots
was
to
really
trying
to
ramp
up
their
online
sales,
which
requires
taking
pictures
of
the
items
that
will
be
for
sale,
and
some
of
that
requires
kind
of
a
design
orientation
that
they
haven't
seen
with
their
or
they
hadn't
seen
the
group
of
folks
that
they
had
so
that
wasn't
a
way
that
they
were
able
to
involve
their
participants
in
the
pivot.
But
that
is
just
for
your
information.
D
I
think
that
was
or
is
a
direction
that
they're
going
prompted
by
covid.
That
may
help
their
bottom
line
in
the
future
and
to
the
point
that
mel's
brought
up.
I
think
that
all
of
the
all
of
the
workforce
development
groups
are
have
that
struggle
of
they
are
preparing
people
for
a
workforce
that
may
not
be
existing
right
now
or
it
might
be.
D
I
know
in
http's
case
that
they
had
placed
somebody
right
before
the
pandemic
and
gave
him
a
substantial
amount
of
support,
as
he
was
a
frontline
worker
so
that
he
could
continue
to
have
his
job
during
the
pandemic.
So
just
a
note,
there.
B
Again
very
similar
structure
seems
like
from
last
couple
of
years.
I
did
have
a
comment.
I
guess
it's
not
really
a
question.
They
make
a
case
somewhere
early
on
their
application
about
you
know
this
funding
is
really
important.
The
hospitality
industry
is
going
to
be
poised
for
having
a
rebound
once
covered
ends,
but
then,
by
the
time,
these
participants
complete
the
program.
So
there's
a
bit
of
a
it's.
Not.
This
is
not
really
a
response
to
covet
approach.
B
D
They
I
think
this
is
answering
your
question
chris.
They
did
contact
me
to
see
if
with
their
remaining
friends,
not
from
this
year's,
but
they
have
funds
remaining
from
prior
year
if
they
could
do
a
summer
cohort,
they
don't
normally
do
that,
and
I
said
of
course,
if
you
have
funds
remaining
and
you
feel
like
that's
the
best
way
to
your
goals
and
you
have
the
ability
to
do
so.
Then
you
know
they
would.
That
would
not
disallow
them
to
do
it.
Maybe
that's
why
they're
thinking
of
getting.
A
Yeah
and
secondly,
they
they
do
offer
one-on-one
consulting
with
past
graduates,
the
program
and
and
I'm
sure
that
some
of
those
people
they
work
with
lost
their
jobs
during
the
pandemic
in
hospitality.
So
they
may
be
talking
a
little
bit
about
those
and
if,
if
they
find
us
one
of
those,
you
know
prior
graduates
and
help
them
get
into
a
job.
I
think
we
would
count
that
as
a
job
placement
in
the
program.
B
D
It's
like
a
question.
I
don't
think
that
they
would
be
ineligible.
I
mean
I
don't
think
as
long
as
they
can
make
the
case
that
they're
responding
to
coped-
and
I
mean
the
the
regulation-
is
pretty
open-ended.
B
D
You
know
responding
to
addressing
or
preventing
the
spread
of
cover
19.,
so.
D
A
Well,
providing
some
assistance-
whether
maybe
it's
on
that
you
know-
maybe
it's
just
a
paid.
You
know
on
the
job
experience
component
to
get
them
back.
Of
course,
I
don't
know
exactly
what
it
would
be.
I'm
thinking
of
people
who
might
have
been
through
their
program
already,
who
have
the
skill
set
but
no
longer
have
employment.
D
I
think
the
difficulty
there
is
their
their
paid
component
is
a
much
shorter
amount
of
time.
I
think
it's
you
know
six
weeks
or
so
than
say,
for
example,
reuse,
and
they
do
always
hope
that
the
employer
would
match
that
which
doesn't
seem
likely
during
this
time
period.
I
mean,
I
would
say
that
of
all
three
of
the
workforce.
Development
agencies
really
do
to
my
knowledge.
If
they
have
a
graduate
who
comes
back,
who
has
a
need,
they
really
do
try
to
work
with
them
in
the
future.
D
A
A
B
B
C
Seem
like
they're
slightly
different
audiences
than
this
program
is
usually
targeting,
but
ultimately
that
isn't
a
problem
right.
If
they're
helping
find
work
for
people
who
hadn't
had
work
or
did
have
work,
and
now,
after
this
program,
they're
going
to
have
work,
that's
a
win
either
way.
Even
you
know-
and
I
guess
it's
fairly
frequent-
that
we
see
that
programs
have
to
reorient
a
little
midway
through
if
they
realize
something's,
not
quite
hitting
the
mark.
A
The
the
area
this
program
that's
annually
discussed
at
the
ira
is
is
the
staffing
plan.
You
know,
there's
a
program
coordinator
and
an
assistant,
and
that
assistant
is
somewhere
between
37
and
40
000.
A
They
currently
do
do
employ
both
the
program
coordinator
in
the
system,
but
last
year's
funding
level
at
75
000
was
not
sufficient
to
support
it.
Let's
say
we're
able
to
raise
funds
from
other
sources,
and
that
was
the
decision
made
last
year
was
essentially
to
not
not
provide
funding
for
the
program
assistant
at
75,
000.
B
B
D
It
was
the
year
before
that
they
came
wrestling
came
to
the
ni
committee
and
really
made
a
case,
and
I
think
there
was
some
money
that
later
opened
up.
That
was
decided
to
be
designated
to
them,
and
I
think
you
all
know
that
they
had
a
staffing
change.
C
A
Well,
really,
last
year's
funding
is
going
to
get
started.
It's
just
getting
started,
there's
a
lag
here,
so
they
really
haven't
run
into
that
that
financial
cliff.
Yet
if
it
is
a
cliff,
they
don't
have
other
funding
they
they
were.
You
know,
and
I
think
that
110
went
a
long
way
for
them,
especially
when
they
had
the
change
in
staffing
and
and
they
moved
the
assistant
up
up
to
the
coordinator.
I'm
not
sure
it
was
at
the
full
salary
level,
so
they're
they're
working
through
their
funding,
but
I
don't
think
it's
really.
D
B
B
B
B
So
we're
back
to
the
place
where
we
always
are,
which
is
we
have
three
applications.
We
like
the
work
that
these
organizations
do
they're
asking
for.
Typically,
you
know
roughly
about
the
amount
of
money
they've
asked
for
before,
and
we
don't
have
enough
money
to
fund
all
three
if
the
30
was
applied
equally
across
all
categories,
which
forces
me
to
ask
a
question
about
one
of
the
other
items
just
to
get
the
opinion
of
the
staff
anyway,
or
do
you
think
we're
going
to
fully
fund
the
gym.
A
I
I
think
the
400
000
is
going
to
be
tough
to
support
at
that
level,
given
all
the
other.
Similarly,
I
mean
that's,
that's
a
major
ask
and
if
you
will
call
chris
the
you
know,
the
agency
came
forward
and
acquired
the
property
on
their
behalf,
or
at
least
give
up
provided
a
lot
of
support
for
it.
They
did
raise
some
of
their
own,
but
more
more
than
50
was
raised
by
the
ira.
So
I
think
we
can
count
on
that.
One
being
discussed
for
some
reductions.
B
A
Right,
the
agency
and
the
pastors
oftentimes
look
to
the
city
to
support
city
facilities
with
a
little
stronger
support,
so
that
might
be
a
discussion
item
on
this
matter
too.
A
No
we'll
have
an
estimate,
I'm
told
you
know.
Various
entities
have
been
calculating
numbers
of
what
what
that
would
result
in,
but
I
think
everybody's
going
to
wait
till
it's
passed,
double
check
their
numbers
and
then
release
the
number.
I
would
expect
to
be
a
number
floating
around
within
a
week
after
passage.
B
I
mean
tomorrow
right
nancy
pelosi
said
that
mm-hmm,
that's
the
plan.
Okay,
so
I
guess
we
don't.
Whatever
decision
we
take
here
is
obviously
not
definitive
it,
but
it's
always
helpful
for
me
and
and
nels
and
anissa,
to
have
some
guidance.
I
think
from
the
committee
when
kind
of
the
horse
trading
starts
just
in
terms
of
how
do
we
do
we
have
any
prioritization
or
or
do
we
really
want
to
push
for
full
funding
this
year
I
mean,
I
think,
obviously
we'll
take
the
35
out
for
ithaca's
book.
B
A
That's
that's!
Actually.
What
we
project
is
our
program
income
from
loans
received
this
year.
It's
just
keeping
all
that
money
recirculating,
and
I
do
want
to
note
that
it's
not
a
very
high
amount.
We
have
available
for
loans
right
now.
I
really
discourage
robbing
from
that
fund.
If
you
want
to
have
more
flexible
funds
for
loans,
you
may
even
want
to
consider
the
alternative
of
trying
to
increase
some
funds
because
we're
still
doing
the
final
calculations,
but
we're
we
don't
have
a
very
good
balance.
A
It's
under
fifty
thousand
dollars
of
available
loan
funding
for
new
loans.
At
the
moment
until
new
program
income
comes
in.
You
know
it
comes
in
at
twelve
thousand
dollars
a
year
a
year
a
month,
so
it
does
recapitalize,
but
we
don't
have
it.
You
know
we
did
the
home
cooking
loan
and
we
did
the
small
business
resiliency
fund.
It
kind
of
drew
it
down,
so
we're
now
trying
to
build
it
back
up.
So
I
I
urge
you
not
to
draw
or
draw
down
from
that
one.
B
A
You
will
get
another.
You
have
an
opportunity
for
another
bite
at
the
apple
on
this,
because
there'll
be
public
hearings
going
forward
on
march
25th
and
april.
First,
then,
we
come
back
in
april
before
the
agency
really
makes
final
decisions.
There'll
be
another
committee
meeting.
If
I
understand
the
schedule
correctly
right
anisa,
I
think
the
the
first
deliberative
meeting
after
the
public
hearings
is
mid-april.
B
A
Yeah
they
hold
back-to-back
meetings,
both
this
friday
and
the
following
friday.
E
C
You
should
really
focus
doug
on
nagging
the
building
department
to
give
us
a
building
permit.
B
C
Well,
I
guess,
with
that
in
mind,
what's
the
impact
you
know
for
each
of
them
on
partial
fun
of
you
know,
what
would
the
impact
of
partial
funding
be
and
how
equitably
do
we
want
to
split
that?
You
know
I
don't
recall
what
each
of
them
said
about
what
partial
funding
would
mean
for
them.
D
Normally
something
ni
does
is
ask
me
to
reach
out
to
understand
that
question
from
each
group.
So
if
you,
if
what
you're
saying
is,
let
me
do
that
if
you
have
to.
A
Finger
links
was
very
clear
that
they
could
scale
the
number
of
apprenticeships
or
or
stipends
by
by
the
number
of
participants,
and
I
think
that
was
the
clearest
one
I
think
of
the
three
in
terms
of
scaling.
A
D
Well,
as
I
said,
I
am
meeting
with
those
organizations
regularly
for
the
code,
specific
funding
and
that
they're
much
more
open
to
that.
I.
A
D
Open
their
code,
it's
not
restricted
and
hud
doesn't
watch
it,
but.
D
I'm
not
sure
that
they,
I
I
don't
know
that
feeling
a
gap
on
something
like
this
is
I
mean
I
could
explore
it
with
them.
A
D
A
A
A
Well,
chris,
I
think
your
logic,
you
know
I
mean
out
of
covet,
I
mean
the
city
has
been.
The
mayor
has
been
talking
a
lot
about
how
we,
how
do
we
emerge
from
covet
intact
and-
and
you
know,
help
people
have
been
harmed
by
it.
So
you
know
to
the
extent
this
creates.
You
know,
opportunities
for
people
economically,
that
that's
a
strong
argument
we'll
have
to
balance
it
against
the
other
categories,
where
we'll
hear
different
arguments
for
their
their
needs.
But
I
think
that
is
a
pretty
compelling
approach
to
take
at
this.
E
B
Okay,
anything
else,
then,
on
the
on
the
grant
program
that
anybody
wants
to
add
at
the
moment,
and
then
we
will,
he
put
it
on
the
april
agenda
once
we
get
a
sense
of
where
we
come
out
of
the
public
hearings.
B
A
If
you
like,
I
can
try
to
recap,
but
I
think
we
could
also
kind
of
maybe
just
take
two
minutes
again
in
the
meeting
next
time
to
kind
of
bring
her
up
to
speed
to
it's
hard,
it's
hard
for
me.
To
summarize
everybody's
comments.
We've
been
a
little
bit.
You
know
trying
to
define
the
challenge.
I
think
there
was
clarity
on
one
application.
B
D
B
Great
all
right
should
we
look
at
the
lone
and
least
report.
Anything
of
note.
D
I'll
go
ahead
and
leave
now.
Thank
you
for
letting
me.
B
A
I
think
the
the
loan
report
is
in
pretty
good
shape.
We've
got
two
red
marks
in
the
state
theater
and
I
think
a
downtown
associates.
That's
a
canopy
hotel,
they're
working
through
issues
they're.
Both
of
them
are
related
to
transitioning
from
the
interest
only
period
to
full
principal
and
interest
payments,
and
you
may
remember
that
when
we
extended
the
state
theater
loan,
we
required
automatic
payments
and
as
soon
as
we
went
into
the
interest
only
period
the
automatic
payments
kept
going,
but
with
the
full
payment.
A
So
then
we
had
a
whole
bunch
of
extra
money
on
account
that
they
were
spending
down
to
meet
their
interest
only
payments
for
months,
and
then
that
ran
out
with
a
just
recently
with
a
half
payment,
and
our
loan
agent
does
not
know
how
to
apply
half
payments.
So
then
it
showed
up,
as
is
on
paid
so
they're
working
it
out.
A
I
think
this
is
going
to
get
resolved
before
the
next
monthly
statement
and
and
in
terms
of
this
and
there's
a
similar
issue
with
ithaca
downtown
associates
where
they
had
a
dollar.
Eighty
short
on
one
of
their
payments
and
it's
been
carrying
through
as
a
as
they
unpaid
them
out.
So
I
think
I
think
they're
both
gonna
work
out
but
I'll.
We'll
take
a
look
at
it
again
next
month
and
if
it's
still
lingering,
then
we've
got
to
follow
up
with
more
issues.
A
You
would
hope
not
yeah
under
under
the
leases
everybody
is
now.
Currently.
I
think
yeah
is
ribs,
I'm
not
sure
about
ribs.
I
guess
I
know
that
the
all-pro
parking
and
the
garages
is
current.
Ribs
has
been
hit
with
numerous
sidewalk
violations
at
the
530
west
buffalo
site
for
the
southside
community
center.
It's
a
really
difficult
sidewalk
to
keep
clean
because
the
root
meadow
street
plows
push
snow
back
onto
the
sidewalk,
but
they
also
were
unable
to
get
to
some
of
the
sidewalks
on
buffalo
street.
A
So
they
think
they're
now
at
violation
number
five,
so
I
think
they're
looking
forward
to
the
end
of
winter,
very
soon,
no
real
sign
yet
of
a
concrete.
You
know
re-establishment
of
the
program.
I
think
they're
still
working
through
the
issues
on
that
operation,
but
still
intend
to
maintain
their
rent
payments.
C
Can
I
just
say
apropos
of
nothing,
it
would
be
really
nice
if
the
city
would
find
dunkin
donuts
and
leave
poor
ribs
alone,
because
duncan
is
horrible
and
they
never
ever
ever
shovel
their
sidewalks.
D
E
A
I
think
that's
what's
happening
on
5
30,
west
buffalo
somebody
made
a
complaint
and
then
the
city's
obligation
is
to
follow
up
on
the
complaint
and
not
only
follow
up
on
the
initial
complaint
once
they
issue
a
ticket.
They
go
back
two
days
later
to
find
out
if
it's
been
resolved
and
if
it's
not
it's
another
ticket.
So
you
could
have
a
big
impact
on
on
that
particular
sidewalk.
C
E
B
C
A
Yeah
I
reached
out
to
a
third
developer
to
see
if
they
had
an
interest,
they
were
pretty
busy
with
other
projects.
They
thought
you
never
know,
though
you
know
it's
been
in
the
newspaper
now,
both
the
villa,
I
think
a
voice
as
well.
As
you
know,
the
legal
notice
and
it's
on
primarily
on
the
city
website.
Maybe
they'll
be
additional
interest,
we'll
see.
B
A
A
A
Good
thing:
we
have
no
further
actions,
no
further
action
items.
A
Maybe
maybe
I'll
maybe
we'll
what
we
should
probably
do
is
you
know
bring
forward
the
full
anybody
who's
applied
will
bring
forward
that
packet
to
you
and
then
I'll,
ask
chris
how
he
wants
to
proceed
four
days
beforehand
or
something
and
say
does
he
want
to?
You
know,
have
one
or
two
applicants
and
then,
if
we
have
more
than
two
you
know,
we
then
that
that
would
create
raise
an
issue
as
well.
B
A
A
A
Community
benefits
and
feasibility
is
two
overarching
categories,
but
I
didn't
go
as
far
as
trying
to
create
a
scoring
sheet
because
I
didn't
think
I
think
you
need
to
make
the
scoring
sheet.
I
can't
make
it
for
you
right.
B
C
C
I'd
be
really
excited
if
we
have
a
couple
more
applicants.
D
C
Kind
of
like
green
street,
you
know
we
we
felt
for
the
first
time
around
we
sort
of
felt
stuck
with
a
not
very
exciting
proposal,
and
then
you
know
a
second
round
yielded
a
few
more.
It
would
be
really
nice
to
see
a
few
more
coming
in
here
too,
even
though
I
think
both
of
the
initial
proposals
are
are
interesting.
E
B
Yeah
all
right
so
on
the
13th.
Let's
do
we'll
create
a
scoring
sheet,
we'll
outline
a
review
process
which
would
likely
mean
that
we're
looking
at
the
full
applications
come
and
that'll.
Give
you
a
little
time
to
announce
between
then
and
the
may
meeting
to
just
yeah.
Do
some
initial
analysis
great.
That
sounds
good.
Make
our
discussion
time
more,
productive.
B
Okay!
Being
that
we
can't
have
any
other
actions,
I'm
going
to
propose
adjourn.
A
It's
non-action
item
anyway,
and
I
guess
we're
technically
adjourned,
probably,
but
I
just
wanted
to
make
you
aware
that
the
recast,
you
know
small
manufacturing
initiative.
I.
B
A
To
ask
about
that
has
received
sufficient
funding
to
go
forward.
A
The
agency
supported
it
at
7,
500
cornell
came
in
with
another
7
500
and
tom
knight
is
raising
a
couple
of
other
opportunities
or
seeking
additional
funding
from
other
sources
that
they're
gonna
get
started
mid-march
on
the
cohorts
and
the
initial
training,
and
so
that
that's
underway
tom
knife
is
trying
to
work
out
a
group
of
about
four
or
five
people
from
the
city
who
would
be
kind
of
key
stakeholders
that
would
attend
regular
meetings
and
we're
trying
to
look
to
to
make
sure
it's
got.
A
Some
sort
of
you
know
diversity
and
it's
not
just
all
white
men
over
age
50
in
the
group.
A
So
we're
looking
looking
to
do
that
and
I
think
tom
is
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
a
number
of
people
to
see
you
know
their
interest
in
availability
on
that.
So
let's
just
want
to
make
sure
you're
aware
of
that.
If
anybody
has
questions
tom
is
probably
the
right
person
to
touch
base
on
with
the
most
up-to-date
information
on
that.
But
it's
exciting
it
seems
to
be
building
of
interest
as
it
goes
forward.
A
So
the
change
that's
proposed
in
the
third
to
last
day
of
the
trump
administration
is
to
move
that
number
from
a
50
000
place
to
a
hundred
thousand
urbanized
area,
which
would
knock
us
out
of
that
category.
A
Now
they're
saying
it's
it's
it's
a
you
know:
it's
a
statistical
measurement,
it's
you
know
they
don't
govern
how
people
use
that
statistical
measurement,
but
in
fact
there
would
be
144
communities
across
the
nation
who
would
lose
their
hud
entitlement
status,
given
the
current
formula,
so
we
plan
to
submit
some
comment
opposing
this
change
and
the
rationale
for
the
increase
is
that
the
original
msa
definition
was
created
in
the
1950s.
The
population
of
the
country
has
more
than
doubled.
A
Since
then,
therefore,
they're
saying
it's
logical
to
double
from
fifty
thousand
to
a
hundred
thousand
the
definition
or
this
you
know
the
trigger
for
being
a
a
a
large
enough,
urbanized
area
to
be
considered
a
statistical
metropolitan
area.
So
I
always
want
to
make
you
aware
of
that,
because
it
is
a
major
impact
on
our
fun
financing
if
in
fact,
it
goes
through
and
the
hud
formula
stays
the
same,
you
know
is
unchanged
started
in
2023.
A
That's
what
we're
going
to
find
out
about
yeah
we're
going
to
first
make
comments
which
are
due
march,
17th
or
18th
on
the
proposed
rule
and
then
weigh
in
with
our
elected
officials.
A
A
No,
no
anybody
can
comment
on.
I
can
send
you
the
information
it's
in
the
federal
register
and
they
have
a
pretty
easy
to
use
electronic
comment
application.
You
could
go
to
and
weigh
in
so
it
sounds
like
you
might
be
interested
enough,
I'm
going
to
send
you
the
information,
whether
you
ask
for
it
or
not.
Now,
obviously,.
A
B
A
A
No,
we
wouldn't,
we
would
be
outside
of
an
msas.
We
would
be
a
micropolitan
area
rather
than
a
metropolitan
area
and
oftentimes.
You
know
what
we've
so,
for
example,
I
think
the
current
employment
statistics
are
kept
only
at
the
msa
level
and
then
once
you
get
beyond
that,
it's
just
a
statewide
number
of
rural
areas
or
something.
A
Would
lose
out
on
quite
a
bit
of
data
that's
collected
and
then
and
then,
when
people
do
analysis
they
you
know
they
rely
on
that
data
to
do
their
analysis.
If
they
don't
have
it
at
the
msa
level,
they
just
don't.
Do
it
well.
C
And
a
lot
of
programs,
of
course,
determine
eligibility
based
on
those
msa
stats
and
if
we're
no
longer
in
msa,
then
they'll
be
based
on
some
others.
Whatever
the
measure
is
micropolitan
or
something
or
other,
but
the
levels
may
change
in
ways
that
people
were
eligible
for
things
or
no
longer,
or
vice
versa.
A
Strangely
enough,
there
are
some
communities
that,
like
this
change,
because
I
think
that
they
would
be
more
competitive
for
federal
funding
if
they're
grouped
in
the
rural
category
than
if
they're
in
the
urban
category.
So
it's
it's
not
a
way.
You
know
it's
not
all
bad
from
everybody's
perspective,
but
I
think
I
think,
generally
speaking,
there's
going
to
be
less
data
collected.
You
know,
for
these
144
small
cities
will
be
grouped
in
with
the
group.
A
The
micropolitan
area
is
urbanized
areas
of
10
000
or
more
so
we're
going
to
be
grouped
in
with
you
know,
potsdam
new
york,
you
know,
would
you
know
you
know
in
those
kind
of
small
hawaii
spots,
but
you
know
we're
going
to
be
grouped
in
with,
with
with
I
think,
places
that
have
less
in
common
with
us
than
we
have
in
common
with
urbanized
areas.
A
I
guess
is
what
I'm
saying,
because
we
have
all
the
urban
kind
of
you
know
where
we're
a
dense
settled
area
and
we
have
urban
problems
and
urban
opportunities,
and
I
think
that
we're
probably
should
remain
in
that
status.
So
my
suggestion
was,
it
was,
I'm
thinking
about
is
to
say,
keep
the
status,
but
if
you
want
to
create
a
tier,
you
know
a
large
sma
and
a
small
sma
that
that's
fine,
just
don't
just
use
the
term
msa,
so
we
still
qualify
we'll
see
where
that
goes.
A
I
think
we're
going
to
get
are
some
of
our
senators
involved
in
the
discussion
very
soon
so
yeah.
It's.
B
A
B
And
having
those
mayors
who'd
like
the
same
group
of
mayors,
who
came
forward
in
favor
of
the
recovery
plan,
to
say
this
isn't
about
a
blue
state
red
state
thing.
It's
like.
I
am
a
mayor
of
a
republican
city
and
I
need
this
money
as
much
as
the
mayor
of
a
democratic
city
right
if
it's
just
a
bunch
of
democratic
mayors
like
cevante
kind
of
going
to
capitol
hill.
A
Right,
if
you
read
through
the
75
comments
that
have
been
made
already
at
the
federal
register,
wyoming
is
one
of
the
more
vociferous
opponents
of
the
program
because
they
would
have
no
msas
after
this
change.
A
So
so
I
think
you're
absolutely
right.
Chris
and
the
you
know
it's
interesting
with
the
information
I'll
send
you
actually
list
144
communities.
That
would
be.
A
C
C
Interesting,
so
the
initial
was
the
initial
definition.
Well
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
where
my
question
was
going
to
go.
You
know
I,
you
said
it
was
50
years
ago
or
whatever
it
was,
and
the
population
was
half
what
it
is
now,
but
I'm
I'm
thinking
one
at
some
point.
Someone
figured
this.
Many
people
counts
as
metropol
and
not
this
fraction
of
the
united
states
right
so
notionally
that
same
number
of
people
would
still
be
a
metropolitan
area,
regardless
of
how
many
more
people
there
are
now.
A
B
A
B
My
mother
realize
that
sometimes
the
arguments
need
to
be
made
quite
simply
for
certain
people
to
have
understood
what
we
were
actually
what
was
actually
being
proposed
right.
So
it's
simple
like
oh,
the
country
has
doubled
the
population.
So
let's
just
double
the
threshold
is
a
lot
easier
than
the
argument
you're
making,
which
is
that
there's,
potentially
just
more
msas
in
america
than
there
were
in
the
50s,
and
that
is
a
legitimate
thing
right.
C
B
B
Everybody,
as
always,
we
will
officially
adjourn
now
and
reconvene
on
april,
the
13th.